The Ringer NFL Show - Waiver Wire Pickups for Week 12 (and Producer Kai Tries Mac & Cheese)

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

SHOWDOWN TIME! Must-add players at each position ahead of NFL Week 12 (7:41). Later, the guys read a couple of emails and producer Kai tries mac & cheese for the first time in more than a decade (36:40). Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Fanduel.com/ringerffs is live! RB: Zach Charbonnet (Seahawks), Keaton Mitchell (Ravens), and Roschon Johnson (Bears) (7:41) WR: Jayden Reed (Packers), Romeo Doubs (Packers), and Odell Beckham Jr. (Ravens) (14:00) TE: Isaiah Likely (Ravens), Cade Otton (Buccaneers), and Hunter Henry (Patriots) (26:18) QB: Baker Mayfield (Buccaneers) and Jordan Love (Packers) (34:21) D/ST: Denver Broncos, New York Giants, and Kansas City Chiefs (35:44) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horvick. We're going through our must-add players entering week 12. We're going to go through each position. We're going to pick our favorite player. We're going to do a trivia tiebreaker over which players. If we fight over them, then we'll pick other players. You'll get how it works. It's not that complicated.

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But the news of the day. News of the year, news of the decade, I don't know. The Jets have finally mercifully benched Zach Wilson. They will be starting Tim Boyle in the Amazon stream Black Friday game against the Dolphins. So Tim Boyle. Sure. D.K. How old do you think Tim Boyle is? That's the first trivia question.

27. He's 29 years old. 29? Yep. Tim Boyle's 29. Wow. Tim Boyle, if you add up his stats in college and in the purse.

Is it because of Sal mentioned this on Bill's Pod? Roger Roger, Roger, Roger Sharman has been talking to me this for a while. Roger, Tim Boyle's 15 touchdowns and 35 picks. Not in his end of full career, just college and pros. He's 15 touchdowns to 35 picks. Could they not find someone else? Can they find anyone else?

This is Roger's his friend. And you know, it's funny, Zach Wilson's not even the backup. It's going to be Tim Boyle's the number one. Then Trevor Simmons is going to be second. Zach Wilson's going to be a third string. they're doing that on a short week. D.K. Yeah.

Tim Boyle's last season in college, he had 11 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Why is he in the NFL? This is Aaron Rogers' friend that they brought over. He was the backup in Green Bay behind Jordan Love. Like, he was just Rogers' this guy. Because he's tall. He's 6'4.

You know like when Vince would get cast in the movies and entourage, but they also had to give drama a role? Yeah. Like that's Tim Boyle. He's Johnny Drama. This has got to be. He's the James Jones. hilarious for Jets fans because like the Jets fans have been clamoring,

just begging for them to start any quarterback, literally any other quarterback in the world. And I think the Jets have managed to find the one guy that's worse than Zach Wilson. How is this possible? What are the Jets doing? You know better late than never? I don't know if that applies here. It's just so crazy because like Zach Wilson had 33 touchdowns and three picks

in his last season in college and he's horrific. And Tim Boyle had 11. 13. You know what's funny is there's no scenario where this works for the Jets. Because if Tim Boyle is like so much better, everyone's just going to be like, why did you wait so long? And if he's so much worse, it's going to be like,

how did you like just play? He threw 14 passes. He had seven completions for 33 yards and a pick in garbage time in this last game. Seven for 14 for 33 yards. I have a question I've wanted, I've been wanting to ask you guys about Zach Wilson because I think he's such a unique human being and a unique player. He's played so long now in the NFL.

He's just been terrible every single game. He's practically showed zero growth, except for that one weird Chiefs game where Mahomes gave him all his talents because Mahomets had the flu. If Zach Wilson played for 15 seasons on the Jets, what would his best season be? Would he ever make a Pro Bowl?

Would he ever be good? If we started him every game for 15 years, would he ever progress? He would make a Pro Bowl because eventually the defense would just quit. All together. The defense, they would just stop playing. And then Zach Wilson would just have to throw for like 400 empty yards every game.

Like 10 seasons from now, if Zach Wilson has accrued 100 games, would he like eventually become like Baker Mayfield, Gardner-Mitchew, or no, there's zero chance he's just going to be terrible. It's obviously impossible to know because at some point you think he would learn a little bit. But like based on everything we've seen for three years, three seasons, he's like literally the worst quarterback at all times when he's. been playing. He's the worst quarterback in the NFL at any given time when he's been playing. And that includes like a lot of backups. We got, you know, like 10 or 15 backups that have played

this year. It's, it's pretty absurd. And he's all, he's been like by far the worst. Any way you slice it, yards per attempt is atrocious QB rating, atrocious success rate atrocious. You know, he has 21 touchdowns, the 25 picks in his career. He's got a ton of fumbles. I don't even have that in front of me, but I'm sure he's lost, like, another 10 or 15 fumbles in his career. It's just, like, wild, how completely incompetent of it. It's, like, even just, like, distilling it down to, like, he can barely complete a pass is, like, the way that I look at it. He can barely complete a pass.

I don't think this is hyperbole, but with the exception of, like, taking the snap, Zach Wilson doesn't do anything right. like if you just watch him play, not just the attitude was this problem in the first two years of he just rejected. And he said this out loud. He rejected the idea that you're supposed to take what the defense gives you. Like he didn't believe in that.

And then it's little stuff. It's like if you watch cycles and play, he doesn't step up in the pocket. He doesn't climb. Every single throw, he takes the shotgun snap and he just drifts back and back and back. Like he's supposed to go left, he goes right. He's supposed to go forward.

He goes back. It's supposed to go deep. He checks it down. He's supposed to check it down. He goes like he just has always. wrong to the point where you're like, damn, it's like if you just, literally it's the Costanza. If you just do the opposite of his instinct, he'd be Patrick

Mones. I mean, Tim Boyle. What are we doing? Does this make you any more excited for like Garrett Wilson or whatever? No. I think it has to because Garrett Wilson had negative points last week. So, yeah, I'd say this isn't positive. It's an aggressive neutral at the very least. He'll get another zero

next week. When zero would be trending up, that's when you know it's bad. All right. Let's get to waivers. Oh, God. Yeah, you gotta play Gary Wilson, don't you? All right. Waivers, D.K., give us your number one running back that you would add entering week 12.

I'm going to go with Zach Charbonnet for the Seahawks. Absolute maniac of a runner. He's the only reasonable choice here. There's a huge drop-off, in my opinion, after Charbonnet. I think this is going to be, of the three trivia showdowns here on this episode, the running back one is going to be the most important. Yeah, so Ken Walker has an oblique injury for the Seahawks. So with the exception of, like, if someone like,

AJ Dillon is out there because Aaron Jones had an injury as well. We don't know exactly how long Ken Walker and Aaron Jones will be out for the Packers and Ken Walker for the Seahawks. But unless like an AJ Dillon's out there, it's hard pressed to find someone better than Zach Sharper and Waivers. And D.K., Pete Carroll called the oblique injury legit. And you said that that's important. Well, in the 10 or whatever, how many years Pete Carroll's been coaching for the Seahawks, like Seahawks have sort of gathered like a glossary for Pete Carrollisms, like the words that he uses. and if he says legit in relation to an injury,

it's usually like this guy is going to have to go to the hospital or something. It's really bad usually. But that being said, he did come out and say today, I think hats to Jack for mentioning this in the chat, that Kenneth Walker is not an candidate for the IR. So that means they expect him to be back

within the next couple of games. But I would guess, since it's a quote unquote, legit injury, he's not going to play next week. Okay, so there we go. Craig, this is one of the biggest showdown times we've had in months. I know.

Basically, whoever wins this trivia is going to be Kai's selection for this week. All right, Kai, this is big for you. This is the Zach Charbonnet Showdown time. Yeah. All right. This trivia question here is from Bill. Bill. Bill.

William. Billy. So we were talking about how Patrick Mahomes doesn't wash his underwear while they're in a wing streak. his wife gave it to them. So Bill says, assuming Patrick Mahomes his underwear is washed

within an hour of each loss and then after the last game, he plays each season. So between seasons, he washes it at the end of the year. How many hours did Patrick Mahomes' lucky underwear go

without being washed during the longest winning streak of his career? Jesus. Hours did Patrick Mahomes go without washing his underwear. And for context, if you're listening to this,

bewildered. It's that he just, the underwear he wears on game day does not get washed if they win. All right. I'm ready. This is a horrific thought experiment. Okay. All right. Three, two, one. $1, $1,200.

$1,200. $1,200. Craig said, you said what? $1,200. I said $15,000. Hours? Wow. Yeah, hours. Wasn't it like 11 weeks?

Yeah. Okay. what's the answer do that math i don't i 11 weeks is like the answer is 2 000 hours and 45 minutes 2 000 damn it so you're only off by nine times oh well this was that's not even trivia that's just like how quickly can you do math but it's fine all right fine as i've established in the past i refuse to actually do any math so i just pick a really high number well it's funny because you kind of judged craig's math though no i well i was i don't know i just guessed you guys guessed low, I guess hi.

All right, well, I get that's that X Charbide. So, 2,000 hours of stench. Craig, you get to kind of pick from the rest of this here. And again, if like A.J. Dylan for the Packers on waivers, like grab something like that. But otherwise, Craig, what are you doing in a world? If AJ Joan is there, get him. And if Ty Chandler is there, get him.

But we're going to include them for this exercise. I'm going to go to Keith Mitchell for the Ravens. He's kind of fully splitting work with Gus. But, I mean, Gus is clearly the guy. He gets all of the end zone, you know, goal line touches. So it's not the best pick in the world They're playing the Chargers though Who are not going to get against the run

And Keaton is legitimately splitting time In the Baltimore back field He's kind of completely taken over Justice Sous Roll And he's good, he's electric So I think that is like a tear drop From Zach Charbonnet And then I'm going to go with Keith Mitchell And then I think there's like another tier drop

To everybody else Yeah, Dekhae, you get the doldrums here We'll go with Shoot Go ahead, say Taj Spear It's like we've been saying for 12 weeks Waiting for Derek Henry to get hurt no I'm going to go with Roshan Johnson for the Bears I guess

Deontay Foreman injured his ankle did not return to the game I don't think and Roshan in theory would be the next man up kind of rotate with Cleo Herbert he's been pretty good in the passing game he's been playing mainly third downs he got 77% of third down looks for the Bears in this last game a bunch of long down distance he's a pretty good runner

maybe this will be his chance to kind of reestablish himself with this offense but obviously there's a lot of question marks that make me not very feel very good about this big. But yeah, Roshan Johnson. Yeah, there's a bunch of guys that aren't fun to, if you're going to pick through the scraps,

like Zeke Elliott, or, you know, for the Patriots, you're, you know, sad, but if you're really down bad and like Royce Freeman for the Rams because Kyron Williams is probably coming back this week in week 12.

So that's down bad, but he had 70 yards last week, so you could do worse. Just a couple other deep flyers. If you're in a deeper league, you just want to take a total flyer and running back with your last bench spot for upside. Salvin Ahmed for the Dolphins,

Rahim Moster's the number one guy there, but we don't know the deal with Devon A-chan. He might play this week, he might not, but the other way it's like his knee, we don't know what's going on. Jeff Wilson's already out. So suddenly, like, the only thing between Salvin Ahmed and just this job is Rahim Moster and half of Devon H-N.

Jerich-McKinnon also, cheese for a bye, we play this Monday night football, but like, he literally December 1st, forward last year at eight receiving touchdowns. He's the car in the garage that they keep, and then they pull him out for the end of the year. It's like, I mean, not saying what happened again, but how funny it would be if he did.

And then Elijah Mitchell for the 49ers, if he's out there. Kyle Shanage is straight up said Jordan Mason is the third string running back and would not play on this McCaffrey and Elijah Mitchell got hurt. So if McAfrey goes down, Mitchell's the guy. Kenneth Gainwell, too. Money football hasn't happened yet. But that's the guy behind DeAndre Swift. Or Penny.

Who knows? I still think if DeAndre Swift got hurt, that Rashad Penny would be the guy and would win you your fantasy playoffs. Can you imagine if he still was not? Because that would be really sad. All right, wide receiver. Deke, give us your number one wide receiver candidate. entering week 12.

Number one would be Josh Downs for the Colts. Are we including him or not? What do we decide? No, we are not. So if he is out there, I think he would be your priority. I'm going to go with Jaden Reed for the Packers, if not. It's really hard. There are a lot of options.

I kind of think there's a top three, maybe even four in my head, but it wasn't, I didn't go with Reed. I was either going to go with Pop Douglas or Romeo Dobbs. So I'm not doing Jaden Reed. So I have to do that. I think we can't agree on the Packers receivers really. interesting. I also would have Jaden Reed for the Packers. And it's like you can go either way with Dobbs and Reed because Dobbs, I mean, again, second in the NFL and touchdowns for second in the NFL and receiving

touchdowns. But I like Reed because he's just explosive. Jade and Reed led the Packers in rushing yards last week. Like they get them the ball in a bunch of ways. And if Aaron Jones miss this time, I actually think Jade and Reed would get a bunch of touches. So I like that one to I would also take Reed. It's funny because Jaden Reed and Romeo Dobbs have like almost identical production and fantasy. They're averaging almost exactly the same amount of points. Dobbs is like more steady and then Reed is kind of like boom or bust but Reed leads the team in receiving yards

DK would you cut Josh Downs to add Jaden Reed? No, Josh Downs would be my priority especially in half PPR and PPR. All right Craig you got to give us a little shit So Craig you're taking Dobbs I'm surprised nobody's talking about Pop Douglas I'm still thinking I'll wait until I'll see The only reason I didn't mention Pop Douglas is because I feel like I've said

his name about 75 times on the show And he's been good every single week. The only reason I didn't mention you pop Douglas is I've watched the Patriots play and I just I somebody's got to catch passes hi fits somebody's got to catch pass it can't be me I mean I have spoiler alert but if you know I don't get Isaiah likely I still think Hunter Henry for the Patriots is my guy because it's like it's still a sad situation but the bar is just lower a tight end so I'm just kind of like my you'd rather you take Hunter Henry but you don't want pop Douglas yeah because like it doesn't

make any sense to me why does that not make sense it's like I don't pop Douglas is like the number one receiver with by far the most targets by far the highest target rate He's the most dynamic. He's the best offensive weapon right now, other than Ramonjay Stevenson. I just think it's funny that you want Hunter Henry. Hunter Henry hasn't had more than 39 yards since week four. Well, I know that, but like, what are the games that Hunter Henry was solid, right?

It was the first two weeks of the season. He had touchdowns. And that was really before the Patriots had integrated a lot of the receivers into the offense, right? That was like, I feel like Devante Parker was banked up at the beginning. And like, Hedrick Boren was really, well, he was doing more stuff in the beginning. And then Jujer wasn't really ramped up. And now we're kind of back at that spot where Kendrick Bourne's gone. Juju is like there.

It's not like relevant. I feel like Devante Park is not relevant. And so we're kind of back. And I feel like Hunter Henry's coming out of the buy is actually going to be the red zone target for the Patriots down the stretch if they have one. And I would just rather like gamble on Hunter Henry being that guy. He also has incredible hands if you watch it play. Like he just, it's like just throw it near him.

And I'd just rather gamble and like Hunter Henry catches a touchdown. All right, that's a solid because Pop Douglas. I'm like, I don't know. The bar is just higher receiver to have a, you know, quality play. I don't know. I still think I'd rather have Pop Douglas. I'm not saying, to be clear, I'm not saying Hunter Henry will have more fantasy points than Pop Douglas. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that

I'd rather have Jade and Reed and Hunter Henry. It is the Jade and Reed Showdown time. So we got, I got a text from my buddy Chase I went to high school with and when I brought up the fact that I, again, I didn't think the movie was called the twin buildings. Twin buildings.

Whatever. I knew it was something else, but that was the only way I could remember in the moment. So anyway, Chase, my buddy Chase texted me. And he was like, don't you? He's like, you produce all these podcasts about Hollywood and movies. You do the rewatchables. You do the town?

Like, not only do I know the title of the movie, you haven't seen them, it's like the greatest trilogy of all time. Very fair. It's a real blind spot. It's like how Bill hasn't seen Big Lebowski. He just like refuses to see it. Yeah, but he didn't pick something that had the record for Oscar nominations for like 20 years.

Well, you know what's funny is I've seen the first one because my wife, Liz, actually likes those movies a lot. And she made me watch the first one, but we watched it on a really small shitty TV. You're the opposite of every man ever who likes Lord of the Rings and can't get their partner to watch. We watched it on some small TV and it was like 720p and so it was like super blurry and I had a terrible time.

Dude, that's like I watched the revs on a plane and like in your radio, you spent like three hours in a day filming a natural sunlight for me to watch it three inches across and I'm like, just you watch the bad one too. The first one's my favorite one. Really?

Yeah. Well, maybe you watched it more than 720P. Anyway, what's the question here, Craig? Well, so Chase's original... He poses the question, how many times does Golm say precious in the movies? And he sent us a video of Tycho Waititi, the director, quizzing his cast from a movie about this very same question. We've watched the video, and he actually only names two of the movies, not three. He only says how many times Gullum says precious in two of the three movies.

So then I'm going to pivot and ask a different Lord of a... the Rings related question. Nice. And that is, in total, how long is the director's cut of the trilogy, Lord of the Rings? Nice. Uh-huh, you have no power here. I got it. I don't answer.

Okay. I think I know. Or I think I have an idea. Three, two, one. 10 hours, 51 minutes. Oh, I said 11. So we're close. What is it correct?

It is over 11 hours. Yes. I've got 11 and a half hours. Oh, I finally fucking won one of these things. Are you guys directors cut people? Do you believe that you should only watch the Lord of the Rings as the director's cut? I can't imagine doing that. No, I have watched the director's cut.

I feel like it's definitely hit or miss. sometimes it is, you know, like you enjoy the extra stuff. It's like you let it wash over you. It's super fun to be in that world. And then other times, especially like the Ghalom stuff, I'm just like, all right. Fast forward. By the way, for those wondering how many times he says precious in the two towers, it's 15 times. And the two buildings.

Yeah, it's like you watch it the first time. And you're like, oh, cool. Power corrupt. I get it. And then next time you're like, all right, just show me Leggolush, counting how many guys he shoots with the arrow. Like, it's, I want to see him kill an elephant. school. Not a real elephant, a fake elephant. No elephants were harmed.

Right. D.K. gets Jaden Reed, and now I get second pick here, and I'm either going to take Romeo Dobbs or Pop Douglas. Why do you get second pick? That's how it works. No, you got to pick before. If anything, you skipped your pick. It's like the draft. Well, this is before. What's the difference? Waiting for the trivia, what does that matter? It's still before. I pick before you pick. Yeah, it's like

usually when we fight over one, Craig already has picked. And I said Pop Douglas or Romeo Dobs so I can just select that person right now right? All right, well yeah, take who you want. We've only been doing this for like three years. Do I even want to be involved in this Giants-Pats game? I think I don't. I think I just don't want anything to do with the Tank Super Bowl. So I think I'm going to go with Romeo Dobbs against the Lions on Thanksgiving.

That sounds fun. So why when I said that I got yelled at. What? No, you said I don't want to have anything to do the Patriots offense, but I do want Hunter Henry. So that's what that's why we just because you're more down bad at tight end. That's all. I don't know. That's fair, I guess. Okay. So who are you going to take Hyvitz? Pop Douglas exists.

Watch your school like three touchdowns of the Giants. No, watch actually Pop Douglas like have a great game, but then like somehow lose the game for the Patriots and the Giants win and then it just sucks and I lose both ways. It's also Bailey Zappy. I'm going to take Odell Beckham Jr. Who you go? Wow. I actually looked really good on Thursday football. He has a shoulder injury, but it's like

whatever. He catches one hand anyway. Who cares? Mark Andrews after the season at tight end, which sucks. But I mean, the Ravens offense, you know, the passing game looks about as good as it's been in a really long time for the Ravens today. Odell looks pretty good. And I think Odell is a totally solid person, like plug and play. And also, let's be real.

It's kind of fun to just throw Odell Beckham in your lineup. It is weird that he's just been quietly kind of just playing on the Ravens this year. Getting better, which is weird. He's tough for me because he's clearly the most, I think he has the best connection with Lamar Jackson, but he's playing like a third of the snaps. But all the snaps, he walks in. him and him and Lamar nod to each other. And then they immediately throw to him.

Like it's one of those where Lamar did in fact ask them to bring O'Dell. And they're like, fine. And then they get Lamar. It's like playing like five on five pick up basketball with your buddy. And you guys just kind of like just run pick and rolls between the two of this. You're like, I don't know these other guys.

But the other way, Rashid Shehid for the Saints, because Michael's similar. Yeah. Michael Thomas heard of Stee for the Saints. And we don't know when Michael Thomas coming back. I like that one. But Rashid Shehid's like the kind of boom bust you guy you do want, especially down this road in the playoffs.

Like you want the guy that honestly, So you want a guy that's going to get you 4, 21, not 4 or like 12. And that's Rashid Shahid. So now that it gets more. How do you guys feel about Jameson Williams? I know he's like the whole rookie second half of the year thing. I know he's not a rookie, but he basically is. Basically.

But, D.K., do you think there's a chance that Jameson Williams, who's kind of now like, he's like the second or third wide receiver on this team? It's a Monro one. And then it's kind of like Jameson Williams and like a mishmash of everybody else. But he's now playing almost like three-fourths of snaps. He's not getting a ton of targets. he still kind of generates big plays, but do you think there's a chance

that Jameson Williams is going to explode the second half of this year? I think there's a chance. It does feel like the vibes changed over the last couple of weeks. For whatever reason, he had the hardest time

making his way into this offense and getting in the good graces and the coaches for forever. And every time he got an opportunity, it seemed like he dropped a pass. And so throughout most of the season, he's been very, very frustrating. But the last couple of weeks,

they've been working a midmore. He's been playing a lot more. He played almost 70% of the snaps this last week. Had a touchdown. he kind of reminds me a little bit of like Rashid in the sense that he could have these big explosive games but also could be sort of

you know like not even part of the game plan and some other games where he has like one or two targets but he has the big play potential he has the touchdown potential that he's kind of one of those like fuck it I'm going to stick him in my flex spot and see what happens kind of guys you know what I mean like sort of in the same vein as Rashid Shaheed

yeah if your team if you're like eight and three right now and you're a lock for a one or a two seed and you just want to take a flyer on somebody like I would much rather go get Jameson Williams and just stash him on my bench rather than go get somebody like a Pop Douglas who I don't know what the ceiling really is with him and you know Bailey Zappy or something like that

but Jameson Williams and the Lions I like a lot The other guy I wanted to mention here I'd be remiss if I did not is Greg Dorch from the Cardinals. Doarched Michael Wilson was out this past week for the Cardinals and Greg Dorch got to play like

outside receiver. And every time this guy goes in, he just produces, I swear to God. He's played over 60% of snaps in Cardinals games eight times over the last two seasons and all but two of the games he scored double digit points in PPR

and half PPR. Like he just produces. So if he starts playing more, you're gonna get dorked. I think he's more of a stash than plugging him into your lineup. But I don't know, man. There's something there, as Craig likes to say.

Can we get one more dorsed for me? you. Torched. Wow. It's incredible. He's good. I don't even care that he's like

5, 6, 170 pounds. He's like the first tank del. Did you see Tank Dell legally change his name to Tank? Love it. Is that true? Yeah, you just did that. His name is Nathaniel,

but he changed it to tank. Should we do that? That should be like what the loser showed at time at the end of the year has to do. Like just change your name, but instead of just like you say, you have to go to the DMV and actually change it in.

To tank, we all have to be a tank. Tank Kelly is kind of a good name. Tank Heifitz is less so. Tank Horlbeck doesn't want. Tank Horlebeck. Tank Horlebeck. It's not as good.

I also throw a Kalil Shakir for the bills. Yeah. I like that one. He's just kind of Gabe Davis now, but better. I think you catch. Right. Tight end.

We always say it likely for the Ravens, right? Mark Ganges after the season. Yeah. This is another big trivia situation. I feel like if Hyfitz wins this, it's an easy pick for Kai. With Hyfitt's already having Charbonnet.

Sharbonay and likely are the two most important waiver wire pickups of this weekend. So this is big DK. So you or I have to get this to make kayak. You have to make a goddamn decision this week. The reason we're so unlikely is that likely is the only tight end in the league is kind of like almost like a somewhat reasonable handcuff to expect for Mark Andrews where he's not going to have the same connection. Lamar as with Andrews, but likely he's just like an incredible athlete at tight end. And he's had a couple incredible games where, you know, he's actually the only tight. It's one of the very few small handful of tight ends that can have like six catches for like 120 yards.

and that wouldn't even be weird. So he's not just a touchdown dependent guy. He's just like actually an explosive player who's done it at a very young age. So you also could be terrible, but they all can. All right, showdown time. Craig, hit us up.

It is the Isaiah likely hands up, D.K., showdown time. Charbonnet, Isaiah likely gets a good ones. All right, this from Josh. Josh. We're always talking about like, you know, the cloist boxes, right? The guys who kill some Nazis,

go to the NFL, like, you know, play, leave, retire, become a billionaire, start a business, stuff. So Josh asks, how many NFL players fought in World War II? Whoa. Interesting question. All of them. No, because Don Hudson was putting up in 1,700 yards in 1942, baby. You're going to get sued by the estate of Don Hudson. For stating facts that Don Hudson led the league in resceding in World War II and then

like retired when the war ended? I think it's just like as an axe to grind. Okay. Dude, these questions are impossible. Okay. First of all, how do you? fucking NFL players were there back then. I was going to say, I have no idea

how many teams played the NFL in 1941? Like, I don't even know. How many players are in the NFL right now? Like, 1,500?

Depends the account. Like 90-man rosters cut down to like 46 on game day. So it's like, whatever that, times 32, depending on account. But like,

we always say, oh, record since the merger. Tyree kills. There's records since the merger. The merger was 30 years after this question. How popular was it to fight in the war? Like,

as an NFL player? Was it like most guys were doing it? It was all the rage. Well, because they were getting drafted, right? Popular is not the right word, yes. Yeah, you're either joining up or getting drafted usually. And if you were well enough, if you were fit enough to go play in the NFL,

you're probably fit enough to be in the Army. That's what I'm wondering. Like, wouldn't like every single player be drafted? If they were drafted in the NFL, I feel like that's kind of a great sign of the Army. The only times they draft or football in the war and the Army? Is that weird? Other sports. Other sports draft.

Okay, sports in the Army. It's kind of weird. So that's it. The question is how many NFL players served in World War II? Jesus. Okay. Like, I don't know if it's like 93% at one point in their lives, or is it during their NFL career?

Are we doing a number or a percentage? Oh, number. Okay. All right, whatever. I got a number. Okay. 3, 2,000. 275.

I said 500. Craig said 275. I said 5000. How many? I said 2000. Okay. The answer is 638, so D.K. was wildly close. Yeah.

Dude, I'm on NFL. Info, and it goes through like all these players and has all these things and who got awards and all the stuff. And then it says the war has been called the defining event of the 20th century. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Maybe you go with that.

All right. D.K., that's big. I'm happy Hyvitz didn't win that. Hyvitz got last, too. So I get next pick as well. Yeah, that sucks. Get his ass. Tide end is kind of nasty.

Do you want Hunter Henry? I kind of claimed him already, really. If you want him, you can have him. You know what I'm going to take? You know, who's just like quietly lingering as a top 20 guy this year's Kate Otten on the Bucks? Yeah, yeah. Kate Otten is the 17th Tide End in Fantasy right now.

And he's just like a solid player. He had a great game against the Niners. He had two touchdowns against Houston two weeks ago. Tom Brady threw to him, which is kind of good enough for me. They're playing indie this week. And the Bucks are frisky, and Baker Mayfield is actually playing solid. I'm going to go with Cade Otton, tied in 17. That's why Gronk retired.

Brady's like, I don't even need you, Gronk. He's like, Kate Otton's better. You ever said Cade Outtown out loud? If you're listening right now, dude, Cade Otton. Like, just, it's lovely. Just say it. Baker was looking for Cade Otton in the end zone this week. And he didn't, he couldn't find him.

But like, he's looking. He was looking. He was the night's defense. I'm sorry, it's the Nineties defense. Like, I just don't take it personal. You know, a lot of people can't score on the Ninth's defense. I think that's, I would have taken him. So yeah, Hunter Henry or Michael Mayer for the Raiders or Hunter Henry, you know,

watch Hunter Henry get no catches and Pop Douglas. I mean, the way this is going. I feel like you have to take Hunter Henry. I am going to stick with Henry. I just think it's a larger part of the offense, honestly. But I also love Michael Mayer for the Raiders. I mean, probably completely disproportionately with his actual fantasy value. I will say, we're very excited about Isaiah likely and like him taking over for Mark

Andrews for the time being. But like, he hasn't really done anything this year when he. totally suck. I think the thing with likely is... Bear in mind. He has done jack shit. Bet my life that Isaiah likely would even be a top 15 tight end this week. Like, it's totally possibly just nothing.

Having said that, I think there's no question that he has the highest upside down the stretch and that you want to add him just as much if you're a playoff team where you have like tight end set just because if you can even just block another team from having a guy that might drop 20 points at tight end, I think you just don't want anyone else to just magically have that, especially if you lost Mark Andrews. it's just an interesting thing because last year

every time Mark Andrews went out with an injury Isaiah likely would come in and have like a tight end one week this year I think it was week one or two Andrews was out and likely did nothing and then when Andrews went out this last week it was early in the game imagine the coordinators changed between right and that's what I was going to get to is like basically

it was likely just a Greg Roman like sciop or whatever I don't know exactly how this is going to go, but the bottom line is, yes, generally speaking, Lamar Jackson loves to throw his tight ends, and likely is a good player, I think. So hopefully this gets done,

but just bear in mind, he hasn't really done anything yet. We are supported by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube and YouTube TV if you're a fantasy football fan, NFL Sunday ticket is an absolute must have, and it's now available at a lower midseason price. And now that it's on YouTube and YouTube TV, it's easier than ever to keep up with your fantasy team on Sundays

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See if he can do anything. I think he seriously has a chance to be a top six tight end the rest of the way. And that's including how many incredible tight ends there are now with like Kelsey and Kincaid and Sam LaPorte. I think Isaiah likely there's a chance that he's right there in that group. Love that one. I'm excited to see Russell Wilson in the second half. Russell Wilson's having a renaissance season.

If you look at basically any of the numbers, he's having a very, very solid efficiency season. I want to see if we can see the tape start to match up with the numbers and have him do his magic and things like that. So I'm excited to watch Russell Wilson and see what the Broncos can do in the second half. I'm excited to see what the Jags and Trevor Lawrence can do in the second half of the year.

They started slow, but I want to see Trevor Lawrence build off his week 11 game where it was easily the best game inside of the season. And I want to see if they can kind of capture that magic that they found last year. at the end of the season. All right. Thank you to NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube and YouTube TV

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but the Jags got rocked by the Niners and then the Jags, Trevor Lawrence and the number one quarterback of the week, Baker Mayfield versus the cults. Like I just, I'm not that worried about it. If you're down bad, if you have borough,

you don't have other options. I would go Baker or the other person out there, Jordan Love, Packers, they're playing the lines on Thanksgiving Day. So one, it's fun to have your quarterback playing on Thanksgiving, unless they suck,

in which case it's awful. But I don't think Jordan Love will suck because he was great in the beginning of the season, then he was bad, that he was good. And I think the Packers' offense is getting better. Now the Christian Watson is not being forced fed.

It's like a V guy. And they're like, yeah, you're just a guy. And like the offense is so much smoother now. It's more cohesive. It's like the equivalent of more ball movement. It's just, Aaron Jones being out does hurt. I will not lie. But if you're desperate and again,

if you're like, have Joe Burrow and he's out and you don't know it to do, I think Jordan Love is like totally solid for the rest of the year. Like that one. He's been really good over the last three weeks. It almost feels like he's building momentum to be their long-term starter. So I'm interested to see how that all goes. But I like him this week, too. I liked him a lot in the beginning of the year

and I liked him a lot in the beginning before the season. I liked him a lot at the beginning and then Craig kept wanting to talk about him in the middle and I was like, no, I just kept avoiding it. And that was good again. But now you're like, whatever you are. What's happening? Yeah.

Yeah, he beat the shitty charges. And now we're like, oh, maybe he's good. Well, I mean, if you just beat the charges by three at the end of the game, it just proves that you're like not Sack Wilson, basically. Defenses, Broncos' defense, the Broncos are playing the Browns. Broncos' defense has been way better. I just, you know, if they can defeat Josh Dobbs of the Vikings,

they can do anything. but the Bronx defense has been way better. Patrick Certane is just like an absolute monster quarterback. I feel like you really might be one of the best quarterbacks in the league. But they're playing the Browns at Dorian Thompson Robinson and I don't know. Just seems fine.

You safe. And then they're probably not going to drop 70 points in the Broncos. And also, dude, if you get the Giants defense, which honestly it's good. No one wants to say it because Tommy DeVito lives at home with his parents, 11 minutes from the stadium so no one talks about it. The Giants defense is good. And they're playing the Patriots.

And obviously, if you can get the Patriots and Bill Belichick for Tommy DeVito that works too. Also, throwing one more out there, the Chiefs. I know a lot of people might have the Chiefs, but they're playing the Eagles this week tonight. So if somebody drop the Chiefs because they're playing the Eagles next week, they're playing the Raiders.

So if you can add the Chiefs, go check right now just in case somebody drop them against the Eagles. So our waivers entering week 12. We're going to hit a couple emails. We're going to have Kai. Try some mac and cheese. A little Kai time.

Yeah, baby. Kai Fieri. Kai, you can go ahead and start your microwave or whatever you've got to do. Start microwave that mac and cheese. I'm just reading email here. Whipping. He's doing instant mac and cheese, which is, to me, it's just, it's painful.

Why? It should be at least just be regular mac and cheese where you cook it in a pot. I don't know if Kai knows how to cook. You heat up water and then you add noodles. That's too much. It's very easy. Anyways, it's better than microwaving it, but that's neither here nor there. It's his choice.

I don't think that's going to play a factor in whether or not he likes it. It's still good. All right. This email's from Mary. Mary. Mary. Well, we asked... Christmas.

What? I said Christmas. You know? Like... Got it. The holiday? It took me a second. Craig, did you know that in dumb and dumber if Lloyd...

Yes, Lloyd, yeah. And Mary had gotten married, then they'd be... She'd be Merry Christmas. Anyway, continue. Good stuff. God, it's just so funny. Christmas. How many times did...

How many times did Lloyd Christmas say... precious and dumb and dumber. There's a video of Martin Scorsese asking his cast that question. So anyway, we asked, we were talking about how we got an email from a woman saying that we were like, oh,

Jason Kelsey shouldn't be the sexist man alive by People magazine. And then we had an emailer say that men have no idea what women find attractive, which we were like, yeah. So then we asked, can a woman please explain to us like why Pete Davidson's attractive? So Mary writes it.

to answer your question about why Pete Davis is attractive. I think I get why. Can I try to guess what they're going to say? I think it's going to be like a, like a, like a, we can fix him situation where it's like he's vulnerable. He's sickly.

You want to take care of him. He's a bad boy. It's like, it's like, I can fix you type of thing. And he's also charming. He's funny, obviously. The BDE thing, you know. But yeah, I think there's like,

I can fix him quality that is appealing. Got it. So Mary wrote. She's like, he's tall. Dude, you don't even know. She literally wrote, why Pete Davidson is attractive.

He's not. He's just tall. That is in fact what she wrote. Oh, my God. For many women, this is worth a lot of points, and I think that's it. All right.

Well, if anybody else has any opinions on why they're attracted to Pete Davidson. Craig's like psychoanalizing it. He's just tall. It's just tall. Tall. He's tall. I thought it was going to be.

My thought was he's funny. That's it. So for those who don't know, Kai has been recently picking our waiver, like our groups of waiver picks, you know, I pick my guys and Craig and DK. If Kai doesn't guess correctly,

who gets the most points of those in the given week, then Kai is going to have to try horrific, disgusting, fear factor-esque foods like mac and cheese. Yep. Give us the rundown to how I went last, week. I believe you were you are two and one heading into this week. Two and one. You won twice picking High Fids' team and then you lost the week you picked my team and

High Fids' team won again. So High Fids is three and O'clock. Yes, that's exactly right. So last week, D.K. came in third with Keaton Mitchell and the last minute swap of Quentin Johnson, Noah Brown, which honestly didn't change all that much. Maybe enough. It would be better if you had taken Noah Brown, unfortunately, for my GoFrog's agenda. It's not looking great for QJ but and Michael Mayer so for a combine of 14.3 half ppr points Craig

came in second Zach Charbonnet just a week early Noah Brown Luke Musgrave 14.7 and then high fits in first with Ty Chandler, Brandon Cooks and Pat Firemuth with 19.9 points it's a tough week for all of us to be honest

yeah it was pretty it's just bleak across the board honestly I was the toughest week for Kai I think this is a hard week for Kai right now I think our teams are even. I feel like the last few weeks I've got to the end of the record and felt pretty confident, like with my picks. And this one I really don't. I feel like there's an argument to be made for honestly all three of you, but I think I'm going to go with D.K. I like the Isaiah like Lee.

I like betting on him. So I'm hoping that him and Jaden Reed can kind of be the centerpiece of this week. And I hope that Zach Sharpenet is bad. Sorry, D.K. also. I'm going to go with D.K. this week. Wow. I feel a lot of pressure. Don't feel great about it.

So I apologize in advance, Kai. It's okay. I mean, nothing can be worse than what I'm about to do. Well, no, that's not true. Something could be worse. It's objectively false. I don't know. Mac and Cheese is pretty awful. Oh, my God.

Kai has prepared his mac and cheese. Kai, what are your thoughts going in? I'd like a smell test. Preliminary thoughts. It wasn't too hard to make. It wasn't bad. Yeah. Water.

The cheese sauce. It's a little skis. scary. Is that the powder? Yeah, the powder. I don't disagree with that. Like, kind of like in the grand scheme of food, the cheese sauce is scary because it's not really food.

Not at all. And even if it was, cheese is still my least favorite thing on this earth. So when was the last time you had mac and cheese or just cheese in general? Well, you eat cheese on pizza. I eat cheese on pizza. That's the last time. Outside of the pizza context, a long, long time. Like, long enough where I can't remember the last time I can't remember the last time had

mac and cheese. Like, you used to have grilled cheese as a kid. but like that's the last time I remember actually voluntarily eating cheese. Kai, I just want you to know that this is what you get for selecting my waiver to. Yeah.

You're the reason. I should have just kept going high fits. Every time you eat mac and cheese for the rest of your life after you take a bite and love it, you're going to think of me. Every mac and cheese bite. Fair enough.

You said you wanted your reaction to, or my smell, like your reaction to my smell? I'm not sure how this works. I want you to smell it. I want you to smell it. Smell it. Smells it.

pretty weird, not ideal. The sound is also, I don't know if we can hear that, but sound is, I don't need to explain the sound, but it's there. What's a spoonful here? I guess you guys are the judges. Do you have a spoon? I have a fork. Is it full? That's good. That's good. I see what you have there. You have like, you have like eight little elbow rules. I think it's more than eight, but that's okay. Trivia. All right, it's time. So I can't, I can't delay this anymore. I've got water next to me too. So I'm going to do the one

spoonful, right? Or forkful, whatever we want to call it. Right. And then I'm going to like take a second and then I probably will most definitely wash it down immediately. So then maybe we can come back for a second one. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Okay. Hmm. Okay.

Chewing? It's not great. What do you, what's like describe what your, what your emotions are right now? They're interesting. I feel like I've conquered something. It wasn't as horrible as I thought it was going to be. Nice.

Yes. But I don't like it. I definitely don't like it. Are you comfortable taking a second bite? Let me get some water first. We just talk about something else while I do that. I don't know. He's like, let me wash this down with a dried turkey sandwich

before I dive in for bite number two. Oh, my God. I'm curious if this is going to wreck havoc on a system because it's so spicy and so spicy. It's just so It's like so exotic You know It's pretty out there

So should we like What's the next food Do we have that's No no No no you take the next food's another bite Of the mac and cheese That's the next food's trying to get my mind off You guys are just cruel

He very clearly took a big bite Yeah but I think I think you need a second bite To fully kind of Understand how you feel about something I mean that's more than fair I can't really argue with that here Just trying to buy time

Between the next bite at this point Okay You're stalling I am 100% That's exactly what I'm doing. Stahl as long as you want. We'll edit it all out. He took a second bite for those at home.

Yeah. Well, this one was worse. Okay. I really, yeah. We ruined it. He's grimacing. He doesn't like that. It's not good.

Not good. Still a lot better than I thought. So what would you give this guy out of 10? That second bite was it, man. That actually ruined the experience a little bit. Like the first one, I was like, okay. It's not bad. The second one really tanked it.

Like what, a 6.4 or 7.1? What was the first bite? First bite was like a solid 3.5. Where was the second bite at? I think the second bite's maybe coming into like a 1.2. A 1.2? Maybe that's a little mean. Like a 2.

Let me tell you, if mac and cheese is a 2 out of 10, you're in for a tough go. Well, yes and no. He hates mac and cheese specifically. Yeah, I do, I hate cheese and, like, my face and reaction to any time it's around, anytime someone else is eating it offers it to me. Like, it's a joke amongst my friends and, you know, my family and my girlfriend. So it's like to just be near it and eat it, like, that's pretty good. I feel like on top of the world right now.

So it's like he just went bungee jumping and he's like really afraid of heights and everything. Like he's got the adrenaline going. I speak for everybody when I say, I'm proud of you. Yeah. I'm proud of these guys. I appreciate it. I also feel like a tremendous amount of guilt. No need.

It's okay. This is fun. I feel good about it because I've been winning. So let's keep it coming. Yeah, that's why I picked terrible play. That's why I picked Hunter Henry. Thompson picking Hunter Henry. There's no chance.

We are proud of you, Kai. Although I don't feel guilty whatsoever. Good job. Well, that was absolutely titillating. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Kai. For stepping outside your comfort soon.

Thank you, Lauren. Lord. Thank you, Sturgle Simpson. Oh, I like Sturgyle Simpson Sturgel. Good name. That's not a very common name these days, I feel like. No. Is the nickname for Sturgel Sturge?

Maybe. Or Gill. Sturge, the Sturge. Kai, you big Sturgele Simpson guy? I only know him to the extent of He was in Killers of the Flower Moon. What? Yeah.

He was? He was? The song or the guy? The guy. His name sounds like he'd be in movies about the olden days. Oh, no way. He's in it? Yeah, he is.

Wow. I really don't know who he is, though. I don't know what I couldn't name a single song or what genre. Alternative, maybe. He's country. Sturge. Shout out to Sturge. My guy.

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