The Ringer NFL Show - Waiver Wire Pickups for Week 13

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

SHOWDOWN TIME! Must-add players at each position ahead of NFL Week 13 (10:02). “You guys want to do some emails?” (51:40) Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Fanduel.com/ringerffs is live! RB: Samaje Perine (Broncos), D’Ernest Johnson (Jaguars), and Jeff Wilson Jr. (Dolphins) (12:22) WR: Jayden Reed (Packers), A.T. Perry (Saints), and Jonathan Mingo (Panthers) (21:20) TE: Pat Freiermuth (Steelers), Juwan Johnson (Saints), and Cade Otton (Buccaneers) (34:27) QB: Jordan Love (Packers), Gardner Minshew (Colts), Kenny Pickett (Steelers), Derek Carr (Saints), and Matthew Stafford (Rams) (43:57) D/ST: Miami Dolphins, Atlanta Falcons, Philadelphia Eagles, and Denver Broncos (46:17) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady and listener Noah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Head coach Frank Reich. Frank Reich, first season was Panthers coach. Came over from the Colts after his wonderful job with, you know, Carson Winston, everyone there. So Bryce Young, didn't develop us really wanted. Panthers are 1 in 10. Bryce Young hasn't developed. Panthers do not have their own first-run pick.

That pick might end up being first overall. There is a world you could look at if you just look at the players take with this picks that Carolina kind of traded away. DJ Moore, Jalen Carter, and maybe Caleb Williams, plus two second round picks for Bryce Young. That's not great. Unbelievable. Owner who's impatient and with the NFL and the soccer team's the own has fired four head coaches in 18 months.

You don't know about your franchise quarterback. You need a coach. Don't really like your offensive line. And again, no first rounder. DK feels like the worst possible scenario. I think Carolina is in. Scale of 1 to 10, how concerned are you about Price Young as being in an NFL quarterback? I probably would be around like a 7 or something like that, six or seven.

I'm not ready to give up on him yet. But like just watching him, it just he doesn't pass the eye test to me at all. Like in terms of physical traits, that's what worries me a lot. Like anytime he's under pressure, it just feels like he doesn't have like the size or arm strength to deal with it. I know that's probably like reductive. And there's a lot of things happening in Carolina that are. contributing to his lack of success. But yeah, at the end of the day, I am worried.

I think, like, just this could go down as one of the worst all-time picks, like, just based on the context of not only did they miss out on Stroud, they picked Young instead. And Stroud looks like he's going to be a top 10 quarterback, if not higher, for the next decade. Now their other pick is going to be either Caleb May or sorry, either Caleb Williams or Drake May. to show how precarious and tenuous all this stuff is. Just, you know, I feel bad for Bryce Young in the situation he's in.

He's now going to have two coaches in the first two years of his career. They also fired the QB's coach Josh McCown, the running back coach, Duce Daley. But, like, you know, it's just so interesting how sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, and sometimes it clicks and sometimes it doesn't. We were joking yesterday. We're like, what would you ask God if you had one question? And it's like, why does it sometimes work for teams and why does it sometimes not? It's like, I mean, looking at Stroud and the Texans, he comes into an organization that was not good.

First time coach, D'Meco Ryan's, first time play caller, Sloic. Yeah. And everything is immediately great. And yet Bryce Young gets Frank Reich, a guy who was like an accomplished OC, he won the Super Bowl with Eagles. And, you know, building blocks, a growing offensive line, a defense that had been building a little bit of momentum. And it's just a disaster. Right. And I don't know.

It goes back to your nature versus nurture thing, hi, Vincent, and just how the butterfly effect of a quarterback life at the beginning of their career. There's also, I think, tremendous humility in accepting that you don't know what's going to happen. And just, you know what, I think it's a Billy Bean thing that you don't make desperate moves. Like the second you have to do something, you need to do something, you're screwed. And the Panthers feeling the need, well, we have to go get a quarterback. This thirst David Tapper, the owner's had for a quarterback, I mean, they didn't really have to trade up.

And you don't have to trade up all these picks to go get Bryce Young necessarily. And it's crazy to think the team behind them is going to get Stroud. I don't know. I think about that with fantasy football too, where it's like sometimes, I don't know, you get to package together a bunch of assets for this one guy.

It's like, I don't know, maybe keep the three things on your team already. You know what I mean? You never know when one of them might be better than that guy anyway. I think the crazy thing is they have to get this higher right because if you look at, you just kind of like eye test.

If you look at basically every single quarterback, and I mean like literally every single quarterback draft in the first three rounds from the last 12 years. Because anyone drafted after three, no one expected them to be a starter, whether or not they became one. And so if you look at every quarterback,

almost none of them had three different play callers. Like all of them either made it on the second play caller or they just never actually became a real bona fide genuine franchise quarterback. And so they have to get this coaching hire right. I think what's crazy is Adam Schaefter went on Pat McAfee's show today and said that there could be 10 head coaching changes this year. Shefter said there were five head coaching changes last year. Shefter said he expects seven to 10 this year. Seven's a lot. And he said if the over under was seven, seven and a half, he would take.

the over. And so what's crazy is the Panthers are the worst spot of all the openings. And actually, we could go through them. I think it's really interesting. I saw that number and I jaw dropped. I was like 10. But it doesn't matter how you rank them. I don't know how the Panthers could be anywhere other than the worst possible opening. So we're talking about, oh, the Lions and like Ben, you know, the coordinator for the Lions is like such a sexy name. I'm like, do you know, you have to pay this person and money and guaranteed dollars to get them to come to your terrible team with the other teams that might be open? So they're really in an awful, awful. spot. Frank Reck earning two paychecks right now, I believe, right? Isn't he earning a Colts paycheck

and a Panthers paycheck? The NFL had to set out a memo, like at this point, I forget, it might have been two full years ago about, because the coaching contracts, it's like Jimbo Fisher, but without the publicity because, you know, they're not like public school, so we don't know, like the details, but it's just like Texas Zadam has to pay out Jimbo Fisher like $80 million to go away. NFL teams have to do the same thing. They just don't talk about it because they don't want to talk about it. But the NFL sent a memo like, hey, do you guys think you're spent a billion dollars this year and people who don't work for you? Can you stop doing that? That's kind of a waste of money.

But looking through these things, so Frank Reich's already been fired for the Panthers. Josh McDaniels already been fired for the Raiders. That's two. I think it's fair to say Matt Aberflus, the coach for the Bears, is probably toast. Brandon Staley, it's gone. Brandon Staley for the Chargers is done. They're not going to make the playoffs. That's four. Ron Rivera, I think for the commander's new ownership. Ron Rivera's done. So that's five. I feel. really good about five. That was last year's number.

Now we got the NFC South. Dennis Allen's second year for the Saints, Falcons, Arthur Smith, and year three. And then Todd Bowles to the Bucks is at the end of the year two. I feel like one of those guys is someone's got to come in third. That person's gone. And then I honestly kind of think that if whoever wins the division is going to stay by default. But like, I don't know about any of these guys if they don't make the playoffs. So I think at least one from the NFC South, about two. And then toss in Bill Belichick. The wildest one. Yeah. There's smoke that Mike Vrable is upset about being paired with the GM in Tennessee

and that Mike Vrable might want to go to Belichick. So not just Belichick in New England. Mike Vrable for Tennessee, that would put us at potentially that's 10. And then you also have Kevin Stafansky for the Browns, maybe being scapegoated if they don't go anywhere. Sean McDermott for the bills has fired both coordinators in like 11 months. And then Brian Dable,

who I don't think he's going to get fired, but I'll put him in the list. That's 13 people. I really think there could be like nine seems totally fair out of those 13. Yeah. A third of the league. But if you look at those teams, I would never pick the freaking Panthers. So I don't know.

It's kind of like the thing. It's like anything with quarterbacks, what's the alternative? But the Panthers, like, they're going to get the ninth best coach. I think with the Panthers, the interesting thing is, like, there was a report that they could have traded Brian Burns for two first round picks to the Rams. And they turn that down. And so I don't know if you can still get that for Burns or not. But like, they're going to have to dismantle their defense in order to build an offense around their quarterback. To even, like honestly, just to even give him a chance to succeed, they kind of have to do that, right?

And so I think they have to give him a contract because imagine let if what if Ryan Burns just leaves. Yeah. And so I don't know. Like they just, they have to make some big changes, you know, on defense. And they're going to have to kind of get the defense, I think, to fix the offense. It's like their offensive line. As you said, I think it was like supposed to be pretty good. It's still really bad. The defense was trending in the right direction. Now it's not very good. It's just like such a mess. That's such a freaking mess in Carolina.

It sucks. Yeah, just to think about the difference between if they just stuck at nine and taking Jalen Carter, who went at the ninth spot to the Eagles, and then also had the Rams for a short pick, coming to this year, get the first pick, also have another pick. It's just the difference is actually stunning.

Anyway, all right, so that's the coaching stuff. We'll talk about that more. We're going to go through our must-ed players entering week 13, and here's how it works. We're going to go position by position. We're just going to give our top pick. If we pick the same guy, we're going to achieve a tiebreaker.

It's not that complicated. figure it out. And then also, Kai, we're doing Kai time here with food. So Kai, if you don't know, our producer here doesn't have the most diverse palette and has agreed to he has to pick one of us to win whose players get the most points in. If he doesn't, he has to try new food. So it's great. We'll get to that at the end. Emails at ringer fancy football gmail.com for any of the number or year, it's fun, tiebreakers. There are six teams on by this week, bears, rages, Vikings, giants, ravens. I have a brutal by week. It is a brutal by week. So it's like, you know, Josh

Allen, Lamar, Josh Jacobs, Gus Edwards, Madison, Stefan Diggs, Devanti Adams, DJ Moore, Addison, a lot of people on by. T.J. Hawkinson, Kincaid, Colt, Isaiah, likely. A lot of people are on by so. We're going to go position by position, but first, we actually have to start with the email from Noah. Noah.

Noah. Noah says, incredible that you guys have not figured out. You should do the trivia question before choosing players. Is it incredible? You're right. We get stuck doing something, and then you kind of get used to it. You do it for a while, but that's fine. This is fair.

This is a good idea. We're stuck in our ways. You know what I mean? Noah writes, in priority waiver leagues, the waiver order is determined before anyone chooses players. And if you do it that way,

not only is it more like actual waivers, everyone can do each trivia question. And the only disadvantage you lose the, it's the Jade and read showdown time, but who cares you can still use the gong and shit. No, we're still doing that shit. Yeah.

We're still leaving back. You just can't say a name. Yeah, I'll just say running back. I mean, look, Noah, you're right. But, hey, we're nothing if not flexible and willing to admit when we weren't doing something as good we could. So we're going to switch it because we talked about it. And this is a great idea. So we're going to do it. Yeah. It's only like three years too late. Really bad. This is like

truly one of those situations where we're like, hey, let's do it this way. And we're like, okay. And then we did it for three years without thinking twice about it. We spent a long time trying to figure out how to make waivers fun and interesting. We came up with this trivia idea. We love it. And we basically have never looked back. But I will say the second we read this email, we were all like, yeah. So, yeah. Without further. consultant. I think we were blinded by the fact that we just loved me screaming somebody's name and then saying showdown time and we're unwilling to change.

Craig's like the KDOT and showdown time. Can't lose that. That's what the people come for. All right. With that said, week 13, switching things up, it is the running back showdown time. That makes so much more sense. It does. Noah.

It's so embarrassed. Can we put Noah's name as a producer of just this episode in our pod description? Remind me, I'll think of it at the end. Yeah, that's out. Yeah, Kai write that down. That's really funny, actually. EP by Noah. E.P.

That's so funny. All the ghosts. Email sort of your fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have other things, you're like, why do they do it that way? Anyway, here's the tree of a question. This one's from Cody. Cody.

How many planes did Major Richard Dick Bong shoot down in World War II? Major Dick Bong. So he was, he was the ace of aces, I think. He was the top ace. The top? He was number one.

I think so. Oh, wow. Well, he was one of them anyway. Is this all the honor system? How do we know? That's a great question, Craig. I feel like you just come back and he's like, I got 28 of them. And they're like, nice.

Let me write that down. Just a pathological liar. Yeah, your friend comes back and it's like, hey, a shot 78. You're like, wow, nice. I'm sure there's some way to be like have it independently confirmed. But I'm guessing that it's partly not. Partly the honor system. I have no idea what to guess here.

What like who's the record holder? How high can you get here? Well, there was that the red bear in the Snoopy. The guy Snoopy's based on the pilot guy. That was World War I. Was he? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I have a number. Same. I genuinely don't know if like 20 is a lot or if like a hundred is a lot or more. It's the beauty of these trivia questions, Craig. All right, we're doing it. Three, two, one. 80. Forty-two.

I said 19 Wow I said 42 The answer is 40 Let's go You got it exactly right I said 42

Oh okay Nice job Hyvitz would you say I said 80 So DK is closer For second place Yep Brutal spot for Hyvitz here

Running back is a wasteland Wow 40 kills That's a lot That's wild I had some Allegedly Craig is just smirching. Look, I don't deny that he's a hero,

but I'm like, how do we know? How many know what the number is? God, you know what sucks, though? It's like, first pick of running backs is essentially like, it's the least important of these three because I truly think there is no good option. Especially because I'm considering Jeff Wilson for Miami, but if A-chain plays, he's kind of irrelevant.

So do I risk that? Or do I stick with somebody who's a little bit safe, Now that Kai's palette is on the line, I really view this game in a different way. I'm going to go with Samajé P. Ryan on the Broncos. Okay. Who looks good. He's basically two good weeks in a row.

Giovante was kind of banged up. Javante Williams was banged up with a neck injury this week. P. Ryan, 55 yards, seven carries, scored a touchdown. Really looks like he shot out of a cannon every time he touches the ball. He had seven catches the week before that. They're playing the Texans this week. and Denver's kind of rolling. So I think I'm going to play it safe.

I think he's kind of a lock for, you know, seven, eight, nine carries a week or touches a week, I should say. So I'm going to go with him. Again, with this game in mind, we're doing guys that are not on by next week, even though there's a couple guys I would add ahead of. Keaton Mitchell's on by. To be clear, though,

I think it's fair, given the quality of the guys this week. I think it's fair to, like, include if someone's, like, slightly worse for this week, but has, like, a much better season-long outlook. I think that's pretty natural, I think for the purpose of this game and for the Kyes guys thing, let's say I would do you guys agree that Ty Chandler who has who is playing tonight we haven't seen play yet and Keith Mitchell are both on by next week. But I would have I would prioritize both of those guys over anybody that we're talking about now. Because of the game and because we're talking about guys that have to start next week. I'm going to go with De Ernest Johnson for the Jags who has essentially passed up tank Bigsby on the depth chart for the Jaguars. And ETN was even banged up in this last game. I don't. I don't think he's going to miss any time because he did come back to the game. But I think they're going to try and give Johnson a little bit more run to take a little bit off of ETN's play as we go along here.

They're pretty much a lock for the playoffs at this point. So they're probably thinking a little more long term. Dearness Johnson had like eight touches. He played 40-something percent of the snaps. Like they're rotating them in. He looks pretty good. And so I guess I'll go with him if you're really in a pinch. He's at least getting playing time.

He's like the, he's at the very least a good stash. to have just in case ETN goes down. I feel like the Texan's getting Stroud. I would have taken Jeff Wilson first. Go ahead. I mean, look, if A-Chane plays, he's not going to get any carries. I think that's smart. High Fits, it's definitely smart.

He had 11 carries. I'm just leaning that A-Chane is coming back. Basically, the head coach for the Dolphins said after the game that they were just like essentially playing it safe. It was like a short week. They didn't want to push it. That kind of stuff leads me to believe A-Chane will be back. But yeah, I think Jeff Wilson's a great call, too.

If you're the last pick in the draft, it makes sense for you to shoot for Jeff Wilson like this, I agree. It's the right pick, but it's risk reward is high. Yeah, we're recorded this Monday, so we don't have this much interview information is out there.

I'm just kind of like, I don't know. I think Jeff Wilson, I mean, we'll see what happens with H.N., but I don't like that a guy came off injured reserve and they immediately were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, that's just, I don't know, at some point, like, that has to be kind of a ding.

Yeah, it is. I agree. Mike McDaniel said Jeff Wilson exemplifies what I see this team as an hour, ago. But just, but in terms of selflessness, so that actually doesn't mean necessarily that that's a good thing. Right. He's willing to sit on the bench. That's what I like. That's what I like in my fantasy players. Yeah. Jeff Wilson, talk about like every year this one random guy. It's like Jeff, Jeff Wilson might be one Rahim Moster injury away from just being the lead running back for the Miami Dolphins. So I mean, that's because Salvin Ahmed is on

injured reserve as well. So it's been almost two full seasons in Rahim Moster hasn't missed really a game. Craig. Pretty impressive. Wow. That's me, Travis Kelsey-esque. I'm just saying. Talk about like the most unlikely scenarios to unfold this season. Like if we would have said two years ago that Rahim Moster would have like back-to-back healthy seasons and be a top five fantasy option on a team, we would have never, we would have never said that. To revisit what we were saying about whether the age curve has changed for running backs, we might look back.

Moster's a weird candidate for it. But I mean, he was old four years ago. He was 27 with knee injuries four years ago. But he basically didn't really start playing football until he was like 27. But he had any injuries. But if you also, if you desperately need someone for this week, like you're down bad this week and you make the playoffs. I would say, Zeke Elliott is like a desperation, like a beer goggles play of like just whatever, take the plunge. Terrible offense.

It's gross. But he's going to get double digit carries probably against the charged defense that it's not great against the run. You can pray for a touchdown. It's really bad out there. Like it's not great. But realistically, there are probably other guys like, like, D.K. mentioned Keith Mitchell for the Ravens. He's on by, but like stash him. If you feel like you've made the playoffs and you're going to make the playoffs,

and you want to just throw a bunch of like scratch off tickets, the guys that if there's an injury, you're going to basically have the number one waiver guy for the month of December, like already on your bench. Elijah Mitchell for the Niners is out there in a lot of leagues. He is the guy. If anything happens to McCaffrey Mitchell's starting running back for the 49ers.

D.K mentioned Dearness Johnson. I don't know about my confidence for playing him outside of pure desperation, but if anything happened, ETN, Deerner's Johnson, I mean, he's just like weirdly, like, good. And he's also already kind of has splitting the passing down role with Diorner, with Travis Etyn, but if Eitian got hurt,

I think Deerness Johnson would get the short yard stuff too and goal line and not take Bing'sby. And also Rico Dattle for the Cowboys, who's kind of mad and has a mad role, but the Cowboys have all these blowouts. You can throw him in your flex and pray, he gets a touchdown instead of Pollard. But if Pollard got hurt,

Rico Dattel's right there as well. And to a lesser extent, Clyde for the Chiefs. Clyde, like, it's just, Terek McKinna has a great injury, so it's just Pacheco and Clyde, but even Pacheco got hurt. It's like, yeah.

Dude, he looked so thick. What was with that? He looked like in Michelin, man. I don't know if he's I don't know if I want thick lot but Checo got hurt. Kind of Gainwell too where it's like I like Gainwell and he's kind of like a random touchdown punch in but I hate that even if Swift gets hurt

that Jalen hurts is still the goal lineback and not Gainwell so like you can kind of roll with him but it's but that's how I see the handcuff landscape right now. Stashes. So to reiterate, if Keaton Mitchell is out there in your league, go get him. That's like the thing I want you to take away from this.

All the other options are less attractive. Mitchell's really playing more. more. He played more than half the snaps on early downs today. He's like almost taking over Gus's role in early downs. And he's super exclusive and like slippery. He's breaking tackles. He just looks awesome out there. So absolutely go grab him right away

if he's out there for you guys. He's averaging over six yards per carry the last three games. All right. Next up, wide receiver. Craig. This makes so much more sense. So much better. I can't leave this take us so long. It's like we just sliced bread for the first time. Is this how Arthur Smith is good?

Is this how Arthur Smith is going to feel when he's starts making Bison Robinson and Kyle putt starters. Oh, that was so much easier. I should just try for a hole in one every time. They don't have to do the putting thing. All right. It is the wide receiver showdown time. All right, this one's from Martin.

Martin, Marty. For context, we spent a lot of time arguing about Jake Bobo was a receiver in the Seahawks, run a 49940-R dash, and we spent a ridiculous amount of time arguing whether, like, one of us or D.K could beat a 49940 or dash. Could, like, Normies do it? Martin writes in 2016, 2017, and 2022, the Seattle Seahawks have put on a combine

for the local media and influencers covering the Seahawks. Out of all the participants, what was the fastest 40-yard dash time? And this is not hand time. They used the real, the gates or whatever, the lasers, the real 40-yard dash time. What was the fastest time? Wow, I love that Seattle does this.

That's awesome. So this is just all of, like, local Seattle media? Yeah, I think, but who's like the legendary Seahawks-Rody? You think of Bob Condata is seven years old out here writing like a 40-yard dash. I'm still surprised. He's got it. He's got that, he's got the X factor.

There's got to be a couple guys who are like ex-athletes who are like 30 years old. I'm 99% sure I know who did this because I've talked to him about it. But I can't remember what he ran. Are we going down to the 10th or to the 100th? I mean, it's a 40-yard dash. You know how it works. The 100th. Okay.

The 100th. Okay. All right. 3, 2, 1. 499. 492. Wow. Fuck, I fucked myself. Wait, so I said 499, Craig said 491, and DK.

You said 492. Yeah. This is wild. Is it even under 5? Michael, Michael, he wrote a 4-8-5. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Dude, he read a 4-8-5.

You're telling me that the beat writer for the athletic could catch Keenan Allen. This strengthens my argument. What's his name? What's his name? Michael Shon. Michael hyphen Sean D-U-G-A-R on Twitter. But here's the thing, though, it's like, I feel like if you ran track,

how much of this, I think what we need to identify is how much of this is about the get-off of running, of like knowing how to start and track and doing the opening. Yeah, that's what I said. I said that last time. I know. I think is very important. But we need to lock in on like,

what if Jake Bobo just didn't do track? And like how much, like, is, what is the actual number difference of a track training or not? Like a tenth of a second, at least. So like he's probably more. Or like a 4-8-something guy, not a 4-99 guy. I feel, to me, like, honestly, this, like, I feel vindicated. This strengthens my assertion that, like, a normal 20-to-30-year-old person can do this.

I mean, he's definitely athletic. So I'd say a moderately athletic person. I would never have believed, if it wasn't, I think, I just basically don't believe hand-time 40s, so I'm willing to accept this. But with that said. So, D.K., you maintain you think I could run sub-5? Yes. He never ran track. I did not.

I think he could do it. Get him in the gym under my tutelage. Two weeks is all I do. We're going to make a montage. We got this, Craig. You get to pick your first receiver here. What a hot day for me. Kai, if you don't pick my team, I'm going to freak out.

I'm taking Jaden Reed. Yeah. The rookie on the Packers. He has been pretty consistent over the last, you know, four, five, six weeks he's had. He's basically averaging around four catches a game. He gets a couple of kids. carries every game.

He got two carries this week because the running back situation in Green Bay is a mess. He scored again last week. He leads the team in receiving yards, has the highest target rate on the team. He's the highest graded wide receiver on PFF. Jaden Reed's good. He seems like a hit in the middle rounds for Green Bay. Playing the Chiefs, so that's a little scary, but I think he's the best option. He's the number.

He's the best play. Aaron Jones being hurt, Jaden Reed is the best playmaker on the Packers. Like, you watch the Packers. I like that he doesn't just get targets. Like he gets carries. Like he's led them in rushing yards a couple times. He just gets, it's clear that Matt LaFleur just wants the ball in Jade Reed's hands. All right.

I'm going to go, this is a tough one because there's like a huge gap, I think, between Reed and like the next couple guys. Man, I guess I'm going to go with A.T. Perry for the Saints. This is sort of a shot in the dark because I think generally normally speaking like this would be a tough one to really get behind. But it's like Chris Oliva suffered a concussion in this last. game. The odds of guys coming back in less than a week or in a week to come back for the next game, generally speaking, have been really, really low. So I'd say it's probable that Alave misses a game. And then Rashid, who has their number two receiver, has a pretty significant quad injury. And it doesn't sound like he's going to be available in this next week. So that makes

like A.T. Perry, the sort of de facto number one receiver for the Saints, even though I don't think he's going to be utilized like that necessarily. He is going to play a lot of snaps. I think he could get some targets in this game. So yeah, my boy A.T. Perry, six round pick. I liked him a lot coming into the draft. He did run, forget to run a route in this last game. And I think the coaches were mad at him about that because they targeted him in that situation. He was like, oh, I was supposed to keep going. But so that worries me a little bit. But he did, he did leave all the receivers in snaps this past game. AT Perry did. So I hope so because all the other ones got hurt. I know. This is sort of a leap of faith, but I'm just going.

for it with A. T. Perry. I think that's totally fair, especially, I mean, with the three receivers, as they always say, you know, when the three receivers ahead of you go through receiver four. I think that if I had to get someone for just this week, I think Justin Watson for the Chiefs is, again, shout out, former pupil of Jackie's mom. But Justin wants it, like he got all those targets on the money to football game. He had the one catch against the Raiders, but it was a touchdown. I can't say I like it if you really, really, really are pressed to plug in place someone

in waivers. You go with it. I will say though, the other person I'd say where it's more, if you don't actually have to play someone this week, but you're more like playoff positioning. I would actually think about two, two at well for the Rams. As Craig said, like Sunday, he actually had a solid game. You know, he's been an out as weird. He's a third receiver with Cooper Cup. But one, you're sorry, with Cooper Cup healthy, he's been the third receiver.

He's been really solid when he's number two. Cooper Cubs in and out of the lineup number one. I don't like the Rams this week because the Rams, I mean, the Rams next two games are brutal. they play the Browns this week and the Ravens next week, so the best two defenses in the league. But if you think about the playoff positioning, the Rams get the Giants in week 17. That would be the championship week.

So if you get to the fantasy championship and you have any injuries, having 2-2 at well, maybe with Cooper Cup shut down at that point against the Giants, I think that's kind of intriguing. They also get the Saints in week 16. So I think the Lions playoff schedule

means I would take a double. dart thrown to too. Yeah. I think that's a good one. I want to throw out my boy, Dorch. Get Dorched again. My guy for, like, every time he's out there, every time he plays significant snaps,

this dude makes place. He moths. It was the most hilarious mossing situation I've ever seen. It was a five foot, so Greg Dorch is like 5-7, 170 pounds or something like that. And he mossed a guy, Trey Tomlinson, who's like 5-7-180 pounds. It was like, it was like two kids got on the field. He did the too small. Do you guys remember the beginning of the season?

We're talking about Kyler Murray. It's like a Tom Cruise movie or entourage where Kyler's short so everyone in there has to be cast to be even Short. Ron Dale and Greg Dorrit's just like he's like he's like E or Turtle or he's even shorter. He's wearing like the funny boots. Yeah.

So it looks. The Ron DeSantis boots. Yeah, exactly. Anyways, Dorch had nine targets in this game. Again, going back to last year, like this year and last year combined, Dorch has, I think, had nine games where he played over 60% of snaps. And, like, in seven of them, he's had double-digit fantasy points in PPR and half PPR. So, like, he produces every time he plays.

The problem is, I don't know for sure if they're going to keep playing him if Michael Wilson gets back. Michael Wilson missed the second straight game. Dorch produced for the second straight game. Dorch is sort of like... Dorch. He's going to get sat back down on the bench likely if Michael Wilson comes back. So that's like... You can't sit Dorch down.

You can't sit down. Dude, that's what I'm trying to say. Don't put George in a corner. How could you put Jordan? He's their best player. Yeah. Speaking of which also, Marvin Mims for the Broncos is playing football now,

which, you know, Red Alert. I know Russell only has 180 yards a game now, but Marvin Mims is actually playing football for the Broncos. So that's a stash. So is Jameson Williams, by the way. Yeah. James and Williams?

I have more confidence in Jamison in my lineup than my Mims, but you would or would not? I would have more confidence in putting Jameson Williams. The idea of like playing Marvin Mims in the playoffs and then him potentially having like three snaps is, I would never get over that. I might play JMO over Tutu Atwell, too, honestly.

That's fair. He's probably more rostered, but yeah. Both the guys are basically like big play downfield threats. They're like now that Rashid Shehits hurt, they're Rashid Shaheeds, which is you want a guy that. Exactly. You want the one play 70-yard touchdown. I'm glad I did this. Also, one other guy, Jonathan Mingo for the Panthers is another rookie who's kind of been coming on a little bit as of late.

He led the team 60 yards last week, 19 targets over the last three weeks. Mingo looks all right. And there's not a lot of talent. And so him and Bryce Young with his new coaching system, could have a strong end of the year. Can I change my mind? That's a smarter grab than anything I said. I changed my mind.

Should we have a rule where if you switch your pick to a different player because of the recommendation of somebody else, I get a percentage of Jonathan Mingo's points? I mean, you should just take the pride and being like, how about I just get who I already had, but I endorse your candidacy. I think I should get a one point commission. I get one point added to my score because you took a guy. that you wouldn't have known about had it not been for me.

Sure. I feel like this incentivizes us to not be honest. But sure, think that's smart because when a coaching change happens, because we talk about the top of Frank Raycare fired, I think that when a coaching change happens, and then also they moved on from Josh McCown, the quarterback coach, do you say the running backs coach, you just don't, things change with the court.

And so it's smart to grab mango because it could be just a roll. You would love if someone just magically started getting the ball more, and a coaching change is one of the times that actually might happen. I want to throw out a couple more guys, real quick before we move on. Cedric Tillman for the Browns. Stop. Come in and taken over.

He played 88% of the SNAPS are the most for any receiver on the team. And I don't know what's going on with Mario Cooper. Mario Cooper could be out next week. I got to tell. Here's the thing, D.K., when we do our rankings this week, and we either have coming off Dorian Thompson-Robinson out of concussion protocol or PJ Walker for the Browns, how many people are you going to put ahead of Cedric Tillman?

I feel like the answer for me is like 60, 65 receivers. I would play ahead of Cedric Tillman. Okay. Just because of that, I'm fucking ranking Cedric Tillman as my 12th receiver this week. Cedric tilting, man. DTR, I'm going to be honest.

DTR is not the worst quarterback I've ever seen. He's fine. He's probably not going to be playing next week for the record. Yeah, probably be PJ. Cedric Tillman finished ahead of George Pickens, Deontay Johnson, Terry McLaurin, Josh Downs this week. Just saying, just throwing it out there. Chris Godwin.

He finished in front of fucking Chris Godwin. Craig, what's going on Chris Godwin? Chris Godwin is Hunter Renfron now, and I don't really know what to do about it. They just don't throw it to him. I can't believe that Mike Evans has kept up this pace for the entire season. He has not regressed. He looks awesome. The theme of the year is that it was the death of the 1B.

Godwin, Jalen Waddle, all these guys was Devonty Smith. It was actually just Mike Evans and all the Mike Evans-esque guys dominated. Hi, Fitz. If Tyra, is Tyra Taylor going to come back? Because I'm sitting here looking at Jalen Hyatt's name, and I'm thinking, and I think he's very good. And I'm like, if Tyrod's back, Hyatt could have an awesome last five games. Hyatt's kind of like Mingo in that.

I mean, we talked to this a lot. And again, Jalen Hyatt for those, I think he just took him third round out of Tennessee. And he's kind of like, he has Kevin Durant limbs. And he's kind of like a picture of a receiver that you grab. So like at this grid down. Like you grab instead of the corner and making the picture big, he grabs from the top and stretched him out. And he had a fake answer at 10, like a fake offense to Tennessee. But he was kind of raw.

He had his best game of the career. this week for the Giants. I think it over 100 yards. He's the only viable player. I think Jalen Hyatt is, if you're in a deeper league, he's probably worth grabbing just the off chance that it wasn't

just a one-off game. Because I think there's no reason the Giants would not like basically be like, all right, Jilline Hyatt, see what you can do. Just like start. Like, Darius Slaten's hurt. And he was already kind of a misfit as like the number one guy,

Darren Waller's out. Like, there's no reason Jaylon Hyatt just can't be the number one to see for this team. And he works. He kind of fits pretty well if they say Hodgins. So Tyrod, Tommy DeVito, whatever. I can see the base of the whole offense kind of running through Sequin, Ayat, and Ajins. Tight end?

It is the, it doesn't hit as hard. I'm going to be honest, as saying the player's name. No. No, but it makes more sense. It does. It makes more sense. It doesn't hit quite as hard. It's a net positive, but still.

It is the tight end showdown time. All right, this one's from Brian. Brian. Brian. Brian Guy. Brian Guy. Michaelangelo's David is located in Florence, Italy.

It's completed in 1504. David's statue has been described as the mascot of the Italian Renaissance, the shining ideal of the human form. Statue, one of the best sculptures in human history. And the statue, not including the pedestal, is just under 17 feet tall. The question is, how long to the decimal

is David's penis in inches? 17 feet tall. 17 foot tall statue. Okay. How long is David's penis from based to uncircumcised tip. So just in case you've never seen, it's a flaccid dick. It's not erect.

No, it's not. He seemed to be fresh out of a cold plunge in the lake. He's, he's, he's thinking. He's in thought. He's staring at G. It's kind of the OG shrinkage, Shinefeld bit. That was kind of David's thing.

It's like, I was getting ready to fight. All my blood was in my arms. His head is big. It's supposed to be about the power. Man, it's like the Robin Williams joke where God gave man a brain and a penis, but not enough blood to run both at the same time. It's very much a blood's in the brain statue. So we're doing this way.

We're doing this in inches down to the... What did you say? It's a... Out to the tip, he said. No, he might... Down to how many decimals. To one decimal? You know what, do whatever.

It floats your boat with the decimals. All the way down to the tip, Craig. Okay. Sure, I'm ready. You think? All right. Three, two, one. Eight inches.

Oh, shit. Craig said eight, I said 10. We know, none of us did decimals. Wow, we're not good. No. You did 8, 10, 12? Yeah. The answer is 5.4.

Oh. Tough look for my guy. 17 feet tall. I tried to, I was like, look, the average person's like 5, 10, 6 feet. I'm just going to triple the size of like a typical flat. That was my move. Michelangelo said nah. Wow.

Well, it's, have you ever seen David in real life that his hand? It's like a perspective thing. His hand, his right hand is like fucking gigantic. So I was like trying to wonder. I was wondering if he did that with his dick too, but no, it doesn't sound like it. So wait, who said 10? I said 12. I said 10.

So Hyfitt's got second. Yeah, I was last. Clean sweep for me today. Must be nice. I'm taking Patty fries. Steelers. You have to do it. He had 120 yards this week.

Steelers are back. a new Steeler season is upon us. You know he was only the eighth tight end to have 100 yards this season? It's kind of depressing. Was it a career high? It was easily a career high, right? Oh, yeah.

First time he's ever broken 100 yards for Pat for Ramith. By the way, Solak pointed this out on Twitter, and we weren't talking about this last night, but you can literally bookend the Matt Canada experience by two 400-yard games. So the game before Matt Canada came to be the OC, they had a 400-year game. They had zero 400-yard games in however many 50-something games.

And then upon immediately leaving 400 yards again. Wonder what the common denominator there is. They're playing the Cardinals. Frymuth is clearly good. We all knew that. I mean, he had a fantastic first two years of his career. I mean, there's a lot of... Friamuth is in rarefied error for how efficient he's been

and how consistent he's been to start his career. He's like one of only two tight ends ever, I think, to like start the first two years of his career with back-to-back-back-60-plus catch seasons. So we know Friarmouth is good, and hopefully this new coaching system opens up the middle of the field like we just saw with him.

So very happy to take Pat Friermouth. Kai, welcome to the squad. It's me and Kai this week. He's definitely taking me. Also, worth noting that Pat Friamuth had as many touchdowns in his first eight games as Kyle Pitts has in his first three seasons. Let's never talk about Kyle Pitts again.

I've got to say, I think tight end is the best position category this week in terms of depth. I think so. So I get next with the 10 inches. And I want, we should have double-checked that, you know, I don't know who decides for the basis of the Michelangelo, but the-

penis size wasn't as big of a deal back then. Maybe they just, like, didn't really care about it as much. Now it's become so... I bet they did. I bet everyone's always cared about it. I think they did. Anyway, I'll take Juwan Johnson's Saints' tight end. I think that's a sentence score on me.

That one's definitely never been said before. Going with a guy named Johnson. I like it. As D.K. mentioned, Michael Thomas, out or on injured reserve in the injury. Chris Oliva concussion. We don't have he'll play. He'd left the game, came back.

He just, you know, he's got, I think it's a groin injury. I don't know what this deal is. Joanne Johnson is, there you go. He's there. He's going to play for the Saints. Like he's going to basically be a receiver. I like John Johnson. I think he's good.

He just basically been buried because there's other guys that are higher priority. To me, this is one of those games where I could see Derek Carr just completely abandoning his wide receivers and just throwing to Alvin Camar and John. Johnson. Yeah. And Tason Hill. Yeah, this is a Taysam Hill game. Also, he was a kick returner. At one point, the ball got booted out of the ends of nothing happened.

But I was like, was the plan to make the defense or the kick coverage team think that he was going to run a little and throw it to the other side? I just couldn't believe Tassim Hill was returning kicks, like truly like Chloe's box. Love it. Anyway, D.K., you have to pick a tight end. Isaiah likely for the Ravens is like the obvious one, but the Ravens are on by. So he's like a stash. But for this week, it's tough with Kincaid on by and a lot of people. I think it comes down to either Tucker

Kraft for the Packers or Kate Otton for the Buccaneers. Tucker Craft played like 96% of snaps ran routes on almost every play on every dropback for the Packers. So that one looks potentially pretty good, but he only got two targets and he did catch a touchdown and kind of salvage it.

I think I'll go Kate Otton by a hair. Kate is solid. Yeah, he's averaged five and a half targets per game over his last six weeks. He doesn't have a very high ceiling, but if you're looking for just a little bit of floor at the tight-end position, Cade Otton would be the guy.

So I'll go Cade-Oten, but I think Tucker Kraft is out there too. He's worth considering because Luke Musgrave is on the IR with a ruptured spleen, which I don't think we talked about. That's pretty bad. Sounds pretty horrible. So, yeah, Tucker Kraft,

who was, I think, a third-rounder for the Packers. I don't know if you should be allowed to play a sport if there's a possibility that you rupture your spleen. It was a lacerated kidney, but that's kind of almost worse. Oh, I thought it was a spleen. It was a kidney? Jesus.

I think if organ damage is at play as possible, I don't know. I don't know if it's- Dude, I remember when I was in high school, Keene and Allen like ruptured some or glacerated his kidneys. And I remember thinking that sounds awful. Yeah, that doesn't sound great. Also, I feel like, dude, there's a great story of Andrew Luck like describing his injuries and or just really reporters like seeing his injuries and just like people don't understand like the bruises that these guys have.

I don't know. DK, how many people in a given week on a football team are pissing blood? At least five. That's a good question. Every week.

All I know is I, so I lived with a bunch of football players in college, my roommates, and one of my roommates one time got the worst bruise I've ever seen in my life. It covered like his entire hip ass

and like quad. It was like the size of a beach ball. It was insane. And I'm like, this seems like not safe. Dude, you know Jason Kelsey's sexist man in the world? body must look like at the bottom of the tush push every week.

Like after doing that for two years at this point. These guys are insanely tough. Insanely, insanely tough. We have to respect it. Other tight ends, D.K. hates, but Hunter Henry tied in for the Patriots.

Pop Douglas, your beloved Poplugs, DK. Also, in concussion protocols. So now Hunter Henry kind of last man standing. Also, revenge game for the charges.

How did Hunter Henry do this week? He did nothing. He had zero targets. He did zero targets. Yep. Okay. But he left healthy. Up Douglas.

That's what matters. Health is wealth. the who's going to be the starter? Who's going to be playing quarterback for the Patriots, do you think? Dude, I don't know. Zappy match.

It's gross. It's disgusting. Both. Belichick is smart. Honeyham. Bring Cottingham back. Hunter He was like, I didn't know

he was giving a quarterback. Yeah. You just play both quarterbacks and they both suck. You have two bad halves from two different quarterbacks. Is it bad that I believe more that Belichick is trying to win and just being bad at it than he's trying to lose? I don't know.

Yeah, I can't tell what he's actually doing here. Is this weird? Henry was like, to Bob Kraft. He's like, here's Caleb Williams and then I'll leave.

I don't know. I think he's too ingrained in his DNA to win games. I don't think he wants to lose. You don't get that good without being. That missed field goal was quite the shank.

That was, wasn't even close to close that game. Dude, look, Justin Tucker missed a kick this week. Weird stuff happens. The, okay,

so yeah, Isaiah likely if someone drops him because I'm by, but six catches, or sorry, six targets, four catches, 40 yards.

Isaiah likely worth picking up, especially out of a buy week. If you have playoffs kind of locked up. More than I was hoping, honestly. Because I was a little bit nervous. They wasn't going to do anything in this game. But he was like a pretty big part of the offense. I think he's one of the top target getters in this game.

So he looked good too. Second year tight end is like, what, 23 years old? By week could do a lot. Quarterback, Newstream quarterbacks. Jordan Love for the Packers if he's out there. Packers' offense looks great. Against Kansas City. Yeah.

Tough challenge. Yeah. Again, it's like it's desperation. But it's kind of fine to go out there. Seven touchdowns last three games. Chiefs this week is bad, but again, Buck's week 15, which are kind of a pass funnel, and then Panthers week 16.

So Jordan Love, you know, they're, if you're down at quarterback, you know, if you had borough, you don't have to do, Jordan Love, you can do a lot worse. If not, it's really tough for this week. Gardner Minchew for the Colts. I mean, they're playing the Titans. Maybe they pass a lot.

Kenny Pickett for the Steelers, Derek Carr for the Saints. Like, this is awful options. It's a quarterback. Derek Carr, like, who's down three receivers, Kenny Pickett, just who didn't even have a touchdown last week. If Love or Gardner Minshu are not out there, you've got to go to Stafford against the Browns. It is disgusting, a quarterback.

Kenny Pickett, I think, is going to set a record for the least touchdowns thrown for a team that makes the playoffs. We should look that up. He's at six. He has six touchdowns. How are you feeling after this game, Craig? Do you think he played well? I do.

I think Pickett throws a nice ball when everything is going right. I think he throws like a really nice deep ball down the side. I think he's good when you roll him out. I just think when the pot, he's just like not good under pressure, which, you know, how many quarterbacks are. But yeah, I think he looked a lot better. Hold on, wait. I'm looking, I'm going to find that answer right now.

What answer? I'm going to look up players who started six. I'm putting out, I'm putting on 16 starts at quarterback made the playoffs. And I'm just going to go with the 21st century. See if I can pull it up. I mean, he's got six passing touchdowns and they have one, two, three, four, five more games. I mean, he'll be lucky if he gets to 12. 13.

So the lowest ever, so 21st century, someone who started 16 games and made the playoffs. The record is Brad Johnson for the 2001 Buccaneers, who won the Super Bowl. Okay. How many? That was 13 passing touchdowns. It's going to be close.

The other one is Joe Flacker for the 08 Ravens, Cordell Stewart for the 01 Steelers, Bridgewater for the 2015 Vikings, and then Daniel Jones for the Giants last year. I mean, so to get to 13, pick it would need seven touchdowns, in the next five games. Oh, my, yeah.

So you're right. He is going to set the record. That's crazy. We'll see how, I got to see how far that goes back. Anyway, quarterback, brutal, stick with who you got. Defense, you need to stream of defense this week.

If the Dolphins defense is anywhere, I would just grab them. I know they're probably gone by now and hopefully grab them when I recommend it, but they still have Washington, Tennessee, and the Jets left. You could just have them basically up until Christmas. If you need for this week,

the Falcons defense versus the Jets. I feel like the Falcons are out there. Jesse Bates had a pick six this week for the Falcons. You saw the Jets play. Tim Boyle, pick six, Hail Mary, the Hell Mary, like, just play a defense against the Jets. They're out there, do it. Stashes, I feel like the Eagles defense is available in a lot of leagues, a lot of competitive

leagues. The Eagles had this crazy schedule stretch where they were playing, you know, they went Cowboys, then a Buy, then the Eagles played the Chiefs, the Bills, the Niners, they're playing this week, and then the Eagles play the Cowboys against. A lot of people cut the Eagles defense. But if you know you're going to make the playoffs, the playoffs in fantasy are week 15, 16, 17, the Eagles are playing the Seahawks in week 15. Dek has talked a lot about how Gino Smith's been worse, throwing more picks.

The Eagles played the Giants in week 16. And then the Eagles played the Cardinals in week 17. So if you have a first round by you think you're in line for, you can go into that first playoff match up week 16 and have the Eagles D against the Giants. That is incredible. So I would grab the Eagles. And if they're gone, the discount Kirkland Eagles is the Broncos, who, as Craig mentioned, are.

80 points in the last five games allowed after the 70 against Miami. Week 16, they're playing, the Broncos were playing the Patriots. who again, Mac Jones just has what, five turnovers in the last two games or Billy Zappy. The Broncos against the Patriots at Week 16, if you have a first round by, that's a solid defense to kind of lock in. So I like those a lot, and plotting in defense can be pretty solid. And if you really want to go also, the paired Denver with the Giants, because the Giants are playing the Saints in Week 15, which isn't as cool. But if the receivers were out, Derek Carr kind of sucks. But there are my defense thoughts.

Eagles, Broncos, Falcons for this week, Eagles, Broncos, Estash. Yeah, Bucks also. The Bucks have a pretty easy schedule. The Bucks play, they play Bryce Young, Desmond Ritter, Jordan Love, Derek Carr, Trevor Lawrence, final five games. Boom. All right. Those are waivers. Thank you to Noah for the little EP credit.

Thank you, Noah, for producing. We compete. Kai has to pick which one of us in the players, and then we look at how their players scored. And then if Kai doesn't pick the winner, we make him eat a food that he doesn't eat. Kai, how do we do last week? This is the most interesting one. Hi Fitz, you came in last with 12.7 points. You had Zach Charbonnet, O'Dell Beckham Jr.

and Hunter Henry with huge zero there. It doesn't help. And then this is where it gets incredibly interesting. So Craig has 21.6 points with Keaton Mitchell, Romeo Dobbs, K.aten. D.K., Jaden Reed, Isaiah likely with 19 points right now. Roshan Johnson to play. So Rocheon Johnson needs 2.7 points tonight. for me to win.

And if he gets under that, I lose. Okay, so, Kai, we're... And he gets negative 10, DK comes at last. That's right. That's also true. If the Bears trade for Hunter Henry today, and then Hunter Henry plays and scores 10 points, then Hyvitz is in first.

Exactly. 100%. Anything can happen, honestly. Oh, my God. Rocheon. Okay, so we got... And I don't think Deonté Foreman is playing, so we got a good shot here, Kai.

I'm really open. I'm going to be the biggest Roshon Johnson fan maybe on the first. planet. People listening have probably already seen this game and what happens. It's kind of funny. That's true. All right.

So now, Kai, can you run through everybody's team today and who you are picking? Of course. This is a really, really difficult week for me to choose. So we've got D.K. with D.K. with D.

Ernest Johnson, A.T. Perry, and K. D. Craig, you've got Samaday P. Ryan, Jaden Reed, plus a point because of Hyfitz's Jonathan Mingo.

We're really doing that. And Pat Firemeuse. And then Hyphitz has Jeff Wilson, Jr., Well, that's not bad. High Fick's team is pretty so. I'm going to go with Craig. I mean, an automatic point?

Like, what are we doing? Yeah, what the fuck? No, what a group? We didn't vote on that. We don't have to do that. I just thought it was funny. No, do it. It's a good bit.

I'd rather lose and then have thinking of a plate about. It's kind of a fun rule. I got it. Yeah. It's a good rule. All right, you're riding with me, Kai. I'm with you, Craig. So Kai's girlfriend sent in a list of foods that she would like for him to try.

I think Kai should select the food that he has to try from that list. If he loses. What do you think about that? I'm cool with that. I think that should be like an every other thing, every other one though, because I do want to see what you guys would choose. Like, I think that is also a fun curve. I was trying to be, to be gracious.

I appreciate that. Merciful. And I should set the record straight, too, about the, there's a lot of stuff about the mac and cheese bit. That was all my fault. So anyone who was upset about the craft macon cheese, that was me. I just, it was the convenience. I tried to tell him.

You know, he didn't know what he didn't know. I don't regret it, but like I just want everyone to know. It wasn't y'all's fault. It was definitely mine. So I just said that. I'm going to come over and make you homemade mac and cheese in your leg. Thanks, man. I like the Kai, the underling just took all the blame.

That's kind of like what Tomlin's like, yeah, Matt Canada. I don't know what's up with this guy and just like, you know, saying I'm about to see. Kai's kind of our Mac Canada with Mac and Cheese Canada. Mac Canada. Oh, that's good. Mac Canada, right? It's like all my fault guys. Peace.

Wait, so we don't. So for next week, Kai's choosing Craig. Yeah. And we don't know yet what the punishment would be if he loses. this bet. We'll follow up on tomorrow's show. Okay. For the power hour Wednesday.

Okay. I'll be here. Great job, Kai. Thank you, Kai. Yeah. Thanks, Kai. All right. A couple emails from James.

James. I've been talking a lot recently about my brother and I disagree on whether we want the Giants to lose. I want the Giants to lose every game. My brother wants them to win. James wrote as a Jets fan who's now meandering through life, rooting and convincing myself about motherfucking Tim Boyle is fine. Well, Trevor Lawrence throws dimes to Calvin really weekly.

And next year's Jets hopes lie on a front. 40-year-old Aaron Rogers coming off in Achilles surgery, you should be devastated that the Giants lost to the Patriots, and you should be terrified of one more win. You can be one more win away from Tommy DeVito being the Giants starting quarterback in 2026. So yeah, don't be stupid. Yeah, this is like getting

slapped in the face and being like, come on, what are you doing? Yeah. This is the right answer. Yep. Your brother needs an intervention, hyphids. You should pour cold water on him to wake him up in the middle the night. Oh, we've got email from Nick. Nick. Nicholas.

I've always been an arrested development fan you guys bring up Lucille Bluth from Arrested Development reacting to Gene Parmesan now causes me every time I see the ref, every time I see the ref Gene Sterator Gene Stereator come on for the gene analysis the ref analysis I'm always like

Gene like shaking the hands We should do you know Every time stare atores I'm like Gene I thought that was great Walter explain I got it even from Walter

Walter Cravers talking about marathon pacers Walter explained one of the key benefits of professional marathon runners get from Pacers is they basically they break the wind they've less air resistance I was gonna say can you like draft off of them really? That's a thing?

So I can't pronounce this guy's name but I think it's Elliot Kipchogi he broke the two hour barrier but he ran approximately a quarter or a third of the race more efficiently or sorry he ran the race a quarter or a third more efficiently than if he had run it by himself

because the Pacers are breaking the wind and Walter breaks it in really simply Pacers are regulated because it gives an advantage to the racers and if it were not regulated we'd get a situation which different teams would compete to create the best pacer situation for their lead guy which is what has happened with pro cycling and that would turn marathon running into more of a team sport

instead of an individual sport and that's not something the big racing organizations would like I thought those a very good explanation. Yeah I was thinking this when Craig was talking like in the Tour de France or whatever they have they do like a team effort where like they have different guys at the lead and you're drafting off them.

You know, that's like... Yeah, I get it. It's unsportsman-like, I feel like it. But yeah, kind of. Speaking of marathons, we were talking about Nathan for you. We should have, like, someone drive-through traffic and the marathon runner. Guess what? There's no new idea.

Top Gear did that, like, 10 years ago in London. They had a marathoner, race some... A car. It's like a, what was it? A fiat or something. And it went just London morning rush traffic commute. Damn, that's such a good bit. We could probably do it again.

People probably don't know about that. Yeah. Well, I didn't know. It's like the beginning of the office. Do you ever see office space? Yeah. The lady with the walker is passing him, he's like, come on!

Dude, the office space, the switching lanes right as the cars slow down is perfect. Yeah. The runner one. Are you guys lane switches or do you just ride it out in your own lane? I'm from New York. Yeah, this one, that one, I could have guessed easily.

It was like 99% certainty. I'm not usually a lane switcher, to be honest. I like to just stand one lane. I drove DK to the airport. He did not like by driving. I try not to think about the traffic because otherwise I'm going to get really mad about it. I'm a lane switcher. If I'm carpool and I have somebody with me, I'll just chill in the carpool.

But if I'm a solo, I'm fucking Ricky Bobby out there. All right. We got a lot of emails about Gentleman's Piss Club. A lot of investor relations. You know, this is kind of, you know. Wow. Gentlemen's Piss Club, you know, a lot of people have the, you have the opportunity to get on the ground floor, invest in a, in a transformative property to both the ancient, you know, It's really eternal process to go to the bathroom

mixed with like, you know, the ground floor on a Piscuit. Yeah, that's got to be a pretty sticky floor. And our logo is going to be Michelangelo's David. God damn. We're building the, the David of,

you know, what was it? Three and a half inches, four inches? Five and a half on 17 feet. David. So we got a lot of questions from people who want to invest

in the belief in us. Ethan asks, when are people washing their hands? Seems like we need a lot of sinks. You can just have like the sanitizer bottles around. Yeah. You know? That's okay.

Also maybe just spritzing it in the air in general. That's what? Like a miss. You guys remember a mist of sanitizer. You just always in the air you're breathing in sanitizing. You guys remember sports clips? You know the barbershop that like was like, we're going to combine a sports bar with a barbershop.

shop. It's essentially what we're doing. We're just turning a bathroom into a sports bar. Yeah. So, Marcus, Marcus has a great question. Marcus has a real question here for gentlemen's piss club. Okay. I hate it when I'm peeing in the bathroom at work and some dunce wants to try to make small talk about the weather or the lions or how late we're working. Drives me insane because small talk interrupts the flow of pee and the flow of pee is one of the few reliably spiritual experiences I have on a regular basis. And Craig wants to give that guy beer and encourage him to start babbling to me

about the news. Are you out of your goddamn mind? So this guy's a nervous peer. He's out. He's out of the time. Do we not have a nervous? Do we have a separate bathroom for nervous peers

and also people who like don't out to leave a conversation and just like I have to go pee? Or do we like just basically be like it's not a place? If you're a nervous peer, don't come to the bathroom bar. No, look, look,

we're still going to have a designated bathroom with stalls for people who need to take a shit. So if you want, if you want, If you want solitude in your bathroom experience, you can go into the real bathroom. But in the actual main area of the bar, people are just going to be pissing. Well, the flip side, we also got an email. I apologize for getting him.

Somebody emailed us about Latte Larry from Curb Your Enthusiasm, where Larry David opens up a coffee shop next to the guy he hates. Yes, bite store. Yeah, and he tries to install a toilet because he doesn't want anyone shitting in his coffee shop. So we could also do something like that where actually there's just only pissing. No, he only installs urinals. He doesn't install a toilet. No toilets. It's just urinals.

But that's what I'm saying. Like, we could just forego the shitting altogether. No, no. Because then that's a lot of people drinking and eating bar food. You need, you need someone, you need somewhere to go to, you know, do your business. So I don't want people leaving, I just want people running out of my piss club because they have to shit. I can't tell how many emails we got. Emails for ringing your fancy football, Gmail.com, about Jones' Piss Club.

So many more questions about this. There's something here, Craig. We got something. Something. Someone's going on. Jared, Jared. Jared. Jared.

He's going to say that he'd like to be ground floor investor, but this in a way already exists underwater because every all-inclusive resort that has the poolside bar, Jared's basically, hey, no one ever like gone out of that pool to go to the bathroom. It's a facto piss. If you think about it, sitting at a poolside bar to resort is a gentleman's piss club of sorts. So we're just bringing that to land. Once our first bar, you know, gets off the ground. And once the first piss club is a resounding success, we will expand to resort.

and in tropical areas, and we will have a bar that kind of blends into a pool. So it's kind of a dual piss club above and below ground. I'm glad you brought up expansion because I have bittersweet news for you guys. Incredible email from Daniel.

Danny. Germany has a toilet-themed bar. There is one in Berlin. Oh, man. I know, right? There's called the Ober Bayern Club in Dostelorf, which lets you drink like fully filled toilet bowls.

But there is a different bar in Berlin where literally there's a crazy, Wait, I'm sitting here the YouTube video right now. You literally walk in and there's like a doll that like pisses on you which is insane.

But is it, is it, is it practical or is it just like a fun theme? Are you actually able to pee anywhere you want whenever you want? I don't think you can, but like they literally serve the, the,

uh, beer is served in glasses that are like urine glasses. And then the bed, the food served in bed pants and their actual, I hate nasty. This is actually, that's awful. My food will be served

and proper yeah plate wear and dishware I'm looking at this video I don't want to go to this place this is awful this is the antithesis of what the Piss Club

wants to embody okay emails to ringer fancy football at gmail.com you can get on the ground floor of gentlemen's Piss Club and this is just a once a lifetime opportunity

we should make T-shirts we really should imagine just like that little patch on the upper left hand of the t-shirt, gentleman's piss club? You got Michael Angelo's David on the back. He's peeing.

It's like a little bumper stickers, Craig. You know like the Calvin and Hobbs like guy, he's like pissing or whatever Calvin is? Oh yeah. Maybe try something like that. Of David pissing? There you go. That's good.

That's a really good idea. Yeah. We should do it. All right. That's, I really pray all we got. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Noah, whoever you are, wherever you are for producing this episode. Thank you, Jack, for help behind the scenes.

Thank you to everyone email this for your fantasy football at gmail.com, trivia, thoughts, investing relations. Thank you. Thank you, Lorne. Lord. Thank you, Amy Grant. Oh, it's Christmas time. That's my favorite. The Amy Grant Christmas album is my favorite Christmas album of all time. I listen to it every year growing up. Really? Nice. Oh, yeah. I don't actually know Amy Grant Christmas work. Yeah, Amy Grant is another, like, I think 80s artist that has stood the test of time. Anything about Amy Grant other than her, well, all Christmas songs. You would, High Fitz, I think you would recognize her song, Baby, baby, baby.

Should we power our, should our power our week of Christmas? Should we power rank Christmas songs? I don't know. Do people want that? I don't know. That seems super helpful, but I like the idea. Check out Amy Grant Christmas. Yeah, that's true.

On the pantheon of Christmas albums, Craig, you've got her number one. What else is on there? Are we going to do this an hour later? Albums? I'm not going to lie. I've never, I mean, look, I'm Jewish, but I like Christmas to celebrate Christmas. Christmas is America. I've never, like, listened to a Christmas album that wasn't like Mariah Carey.

It's like there's a playlist and you have all these. Like Bruce Springsteen has like Santa Claus coming to town. I love that. But I wouldn't, even Spruce, who I love, I don't think I could listen to a whole Christmas album. It's all the Maria has the. album. I came into this show before we started recording singing the Peanuts Christmas album. Yeah, the Peanuts Christmas album is good. Which goes on in our household, the day Thanksgiving arrives and doesn't turn off until after Christmas. I feel like a soundtrack's legendary,

though. But you just the soundtrack, that's good background music though. Yeah. I mean, you're generally right. I mean, it's like usually you put together just like a medley of songs and a playlist and you're listen to like a Bing Crosby song and an Amy Grant song and a whatever. But for some reason, the album, because back in the day, you couldn't listen to Playlist. So when I was growing up, you put a damn CD in the boom box or whatever and you were listening to an album as you were unwrapping gifts. So that Amy Grant's Christmas album has kind of been cemented in my mind. And then I think Michael Boubley's Christmas album is actually pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Craig, you mentioned the boombox. I had like a Bo, I have a Bose like boombox thing, like a speaker system in my

house and I've never felt older when one of my friends came in and was like, what the hell is that thing? He like didn't know what it was. It's like, this is a speaker system guy. I also, I can't believe they landed on the name of that product being a boom box. A boom box. That's a great name. That's a great name. It's a great name. It's a great name.

It's a little bit. It's the box goes boom. It's great. There's two syllables. There's two bees. It goes boom. The box goes, but I guess so. I don't know.

I can't believe that's what they landed. it on. Like, you know what was a bad name? A track recorder? Like, that was a bad name. Boombox is great. Did you say A track or eight track? A track. It's a letter A, right? It's not an eight. No, it's eight track. What? A, like the letter A. Right. Is it eight track? It's eight track, not a. I definitely listened to a bunch of music by this, like, there was definitely a DJ that I used to have that his name was A-track and I definitely listened to him and then thought it was A-track.

That's all right. I mean, honestly, A-TRAX weren't even part of my lifetime, so I don't play me for not knowing that. I would say that we're going to get a bunch of hate mail a-a-a-the-sunni-soni thing, except I feel like A-track was such a small part of technological history. Yeah.

Sonny and Sunny are, I feel like a lot more different. Well, I'm at it. I don't know what an A-track recorder is. I don't know if I've ever seen one. It's just like the predecessor to cassette tape. Oh, yeah. In my head, it's a cassette tape. How, I'm looking at it now.

I didn't make sense. I definitely listen to A-Track. Wow. Okay, A-track, that makes more sense. So there were eight-tracks. I think, even, like,

even in my childhood, I don't think A-Tracks were around that much anymore. I never had an A-track. I only had cassette tapes. I'm like, well, I guess we'll find out based on how much hate mail I get,

how many people we have over 40. This one is, this one to me is totally understandable hyphens. You know, it's funny is I'm really, I was, I was, like, waiting for habits to end the show because they really have to pee.

And I'm like, you know where this wouldn't be a problem. Dude. Oh, my God. Did you get a live show from the Piss Club? Oh, my God. Dude, this is incredible. All right. I wonder what Solex's going to love this.

Solic has to pee during every recording. Yeah, this is right up his alley. Yeah, this dude. Solex, dude. It's going to be. All right. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in Select States.

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