The Ringer NFL Show - Waiver Wire Pickups For Week 2

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

Must-add players at each position ahead of Week 2, Showdown Time (1:44), and listener emails (56:33). Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Running backs: Kenneth Gainwell (Eagles), Joshua Kelley (Chargers), and Kyren Williams (Rams) (2:45) Wide receivers: Puka Nacua (Rams), Rashid Shaheed (Saints), and Kendrick Bourne (Patriots) (20:18) Tight ends: Zach Ertz (Cardinals), Luke Musgrave (Packers), and Sam LaPorta (Lions) (41:04) Quarterbacks: Brock Purdy (49ers) and Jordan Love (Packers) (50:28) Defenses: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Denver Broncos, Green Bay Packers, Cleveland Browns, Houston Texas, and Indianapolis Colts (56:33) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, this is Jason Gough from the Full Go podcast. Me and the crew, we like to entertain you. And we're going to do more of that this football season because the Bears should be more intriguing. They should be more fascination. Justin Fields. Is this the make or break year? Is DJ Moore the piece that's going to put them over the top?

You can catch us on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, or when we have an emergency podcast when we have breaking news. Make sure you follow the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, this is Danny Heifitz. Before we get to the show, just want to let you know, that we recorded this episode before Adam Schaefter tweeted that Austin Echler Chargers running back is dealing with an ankle injury

and that his status for practice this week is uncertain. That's all we know right now. So obviously, we're recording this Monday right now. It's before Monday night football. So keep that updated. We discussed Josh Kelly, who is Austin Echler's backup on the charges in this episode so you can hear about him.

And obviously, if Austin Echler is going to miss more time, we would only pick Josh Kelly even higher. So keep that in mind and keep up to date on Austin Echler's. injury. Okay, cool. Let's get to the show. My name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. And it is time once again for waivers and trivia. Craig, are you excited for trivia? Can't wait. I think it's my favorite show of the week. I am so excited to get some ridiculously

random questions so incredibly wrong and get absolutely demolished by emails and tweets about how stupid I am. So if you are listening to this for the first time and you're incredibly confused, we go through our waiver pickups of the week pretty differently than everyone else. So we're going to go through all of our must-add players entering week two. And here's how it's going to work. We're going to go position by position. And we're each going to give our top pick of a player we would add at a certain position. We're going to use like 40-ish percent on ESPN or Yahoo.

As a general cutoff, we'll talk about the players that we cut off. But we're going to be like, who's our top pick at running back or receiver? But here's a thing. Like waivers in your league, only one person can get that guy. So if we pick the same person, we're going to do a trivia tiebreaker. It's decide who gets it. And then we're just going to give the rest of our picks. So that way we try to, you know, build in an order to these guys

instead of just giving you eight names. We're giving you the actual list of guys that we have. And then we're going to do a trivia tiebreaker. If you're confused, I promise it's super not complicated. You'll pick up the whole process very quickly. So everyone listening, email so ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you want to send in trivia, remember the answers have to be a number. A year, a number, whatever.

Just remember they have to be numerical. Okay. We can just kind of dive right in. I feel like week one was deep. deeply frustrating as just watching it or experiencing it. But there weren't knock on wood, a ton of injury. I guess I shouldn't curse more people. But I feel like all the injuries happen in every week one.

But there's still a ton you learn. There's just a ton of assumptions we have that are either affirmed or completely upended. So it's still pretty important. So with that said, D.K., without further ado, just jump right in here. Running back, first waiver period of the year, please give us your number one running back pick up entering week two. This one was very difficult actually because there's probably like four or five running backs. I think that are definitely worth picking up.

So again, if you don't get this top guy, listen closely because there's a couple other guys to add. But I'm going to lean Kenneth Gainwell for the Eagles who was surprisingly the clear cut number one guy. I mean, there was talk about him in the preseason like getting a lot of snaps with the with the ones during training camp. And we kind of brushed those aside. Turns out maybe we should have listened a little bit harder to those reports. because he got 18 touches. The next closest running back on the team, I believe, had four touches. Rashad Penny was a healthy scratch.

Ridiculous. The Andre Swift barely touched the football, barely played. And so, yeah, Kenneth Gainwell, who is rostered on 22% of ESPN leagues. He's a little high on Yahoo, 46%, but if he's out there, he would be my number one option. I had Kenneth Gainwell's my top guy. You did too, Craig? Yeah, I'm not convinced that by like week. I'm not convinced by like week 10.

He's going to be the guy. but for right now, I think this is probably the right pick. I mean, it was a sloppy game. New England has a good defense, and he still put up, you know, 74 yards. Kenneth Gainwell did on 18 touches. So I think that's, as long as they're giving him the ball this much, that's kind of his floor with a great offensive line like the EOS.

So we all have Gainwell. I'll just want a quick temperature check here. Again, we try to use 40-ish percent as the kind of roster cut off. You have a better odds of getting Kenneth Gainwell on ESPN than Yahoo. For whatever reason, he's much more rostering Yahoo. Here's my only question. We're not using Tyler. Algier in this thing we're doing here because Tyler Al Jir is rostered in too many leagues.

However, you never know, right? He's still backup running back. Like, I don't know. Maybe someone caught him entering your league. If Tyler Al Jir and Kenneth Gainwell, for whatever reason, we're on waivers, would you guys still pick Gainwell or would you take Tyler Ljillo, D.K.? Well, you know, my love of Arthur Smith. But I still take Algier just because it seems very clear that they want to make him a featured

part of this offense. They want to use him and Bijon Robinson together on the field. 55% snap rate last week, or I should say on Sunday, 18 touches, which was 13th among all running backs, 22.4, half ppr points. He was the RB4. So the way that they utilized him, especially around the goal line, I don't think that's going to go away. It feels like this is what they're going to do. So I probably put Alger number one. I agree with that, Craig.

Are you on the same boat? I would do LGR if he's out there. He's probably not. But I would do LGR if he's out there and Kenny Gain will second, Craig. Yep. Agreed. All right. So, all right.

So we all right. So we all have Kenning Gainwell here. So that means it is time for our first showdown time of the entire year. Again, if people are just listening to this for the first time, they must think we're insane. But again, we're going to just, we all pick Kenny Gainwell. We're going to do a showdown. We're going to do a trivia. And then whoever wins gets Kenny Gainwell.

And then we'll see who doesn't. We'll keep track of all this. We'll come up with some punishment at the end of the year for whoever's players do it at the worst. But Craig, if you'll do us the honor. It is time for the week one, waiver wire showdown time. with Kenneth Gainwell. It is the Kenneth Gainwell Showdown time.

Yes. You're three of doing this. Year three of yelling showdown time in my apartment. We're like Matthew McConaughey and dazed and confused with Showdown time. This is from Dallin or Dallin. I don't know, to be honest.

Dallin. Dallin. Dallin. D. In Madden 16, what overall, so from 1 to 99, what was the overall rating for Gary Barnage? So I'm assuming 2016 is after his blowup year, right? The big year was 15? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think. Gary Barrage. Okay, how are we doing this? Are we all saying it at the same time? Are we texting? Are we texting? Are we text? You think we should figure that out by now.

Yeah, we'll do a text. We'll text the group with Kai. So he is our witness. He is an impartial fourth party. So let's give us the count on, Craig. All right. Yeah, everyone type, all right. Three, two, one.

Go. Wow, we're close. Okay, DeK said 77. I said 84. Craig said 82. The answer is... Damn, I got squeezed. 76.

Yeah. Hell yeah. Damn. Wow, so that was the first. Okay, DK, you get Gary Barnage's love and you also get Kenneth game on your team. That's brutal. Craig, you're next then. So, Kenning Gamewell's gone.

Who do you want it running back, Craig? I want Josh Kelly on the Chargers. I don't know if that's a hot take. Maybe you would have expected me to take Gus Edwards on the Ravens. But there's something about the way that I think they don't want to overuse Austin Echler this year. I mean, they usually don't anyway, but particularly this year. Josh Kelly could be the one-two punch like they had with Zeke and Pollard in Dallas,

where Kellyn Moore was the previous offensive coordinator. Josh Kelly had 16 carries for 91 yards in a touchdown, all career high yards. And this game was close the whole time. That's why I like this, is he was getting consistent work throughout the entire game with Echler. He's very low rostered on Yahoo under 20%. Also, you know, Echler has a history of being banged up here and here and there, but I just like that he has the floor of like he's the 1B in this offense. He's the Tyler Alger in this offense. and he has the ceiling of if anything were to happen to Echler,

he would be, you know, a really important guy. Flex with benefits. Yeah. A flex with benefits. It's true, though, Craig, where the Chargers, honestly, I think the biggest difference, I know they lost the game. They still have the Chargers end of game-ness,

but they totally looked like a total downhill team. Like, even Echler, like the ability to just run forward, like if it was mad at the HB dive. Like, they were just running forward and he had such an attacking mentality on the ground that was so, it really was more reminiscent of how the Cowboys played under kill. more so. I thought it's a huge change.

Again, yeah, Josh got 16 carries 91 yards and a touchdown. He also ran some routes. He ran 15 routes. Echlorer ran 23. He was on the goal to go situation is 30% of the time. So he wasn't getting the majority of the goal to go stuff, but he was getting in there. And he was featured in like long down and distance. So in other

words, he was in there in obvious passing situations, which is good for him because he could end up catching more passes than you think. And so this was really like a split rather than him being just a guy that comes in and spells. for Austin Echler. So that's very promising for what he did. Yeah, I mean, you're not getting

16 carries if you're spelling. Okay. So, D.K. gets Kenneth Gainwell. Craig's taking Josh Kelly. I'm actually going to go to the other Rams, or the other L.A. running back. I'm going to do Kyran Williams for 5 yards and two touchdowns. He also actually got targets. Cam Acres had more touches in the game, but the Rams were up by so much. Sorry, D.K.

When the game was still in hand, Kyron Williams had more touches than Camakers. He ran 26 more routes, too. So he's actually a factor in the past game that Kamakers isn't. I just think this is a split backfield. I don't think Karen Williams has just rested control. I don't, I would choose Kenneth Gainwell over him because, again, Sean McVease seems fickle

with all this running back stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if Kamakers comes out and Kyron Williams was irrelevant next week. But I do think Kyron Williams will have a role in this backfield for at least the foreseeable future. And it's just like an obvious like easy contributor you can just add. And again, he's also kind of afflicts the benefits guy. Let me throw some numbers at you for Kyron Williams. By the way, I'm doing a waiver wire edition or waiver wire pickups column at the website at the ringer.com this year.

It's going to be on our rankings draft guide, our fantasy draft guide. So go check that out. Fantasyfooltotterringer.com. Yeah, thank you for that. Here's some numbers for you that would give you a better idea. So basically, at the end of the day, Acres actually ended up with more carries than Karen Williams did. But like the vast majority of those came in garbage time at the very end of the game. At halftime, Williams was out snapping acres 26 to 4.

After three quarters, it was 39 to 12. This was Kyron Williams backfield straight up. And as the year goes on, that could change. As High Fitz alluded to, like, McVeigh is pretty fickle. Like, we never really know what to expect it. If you go back to last year at this time, our buddy, Peter Shreger was talking about how Kyron Williams is going to be like a featured part of this offense.

And then Kyrault Williams got hurt on the opening kickoff of the season. and it just never happened. And so I don't know, man, I'm pretty excited about Kyron Williams. I think he could have a much bigger role than people are expecting. I think he's a pretty good player. He's not very fast, but he's just a good player. And so I think that they could utilize him in that way. And he definitely dominated in all the important areas.

Like he ran way more routes. I think he ran a huge amount of routes, 28 routes and just two for acres in this game. So he's getting all the important work. So I think the upset here is that JK Dobbins, the running back for the Ravens, Tori's Achilles. So he's out for the season. And none of us chose a Ravens. So I think you got Gus Edwards has been kind of the backup for the Ravens for a number of years. Justice Hill's been the third stringer. And it's funny because all, not funny, but all three of them have gotten

hurt. Like there was a point where Jackie Dobbins, Gus Edwards, and Justice Hill, a couple years ago were all these very sexy backfield. And then they all got hurt in the same preseason. So now they're all back. And Latavius Murray was the guy that year. Yikes. So it's like Dobbins is hurt. Now we've got Gus Edwards and Justice Hill. And then Melvin Gordon's elevated from the practice squad. So I'm surprised none of us picked them. I actually like Justice Hill a lot more than most people. I think the knee jerk is going to be to take Gus Edwards.

He's registered in like 20% of ESPN leagues, but Justice Hill is in like less than half a percent. I actually prefer Justice Hill. I think he's got a little more juice. He's the one who came in for J.K. Dobbins when he got hurt. He's the one who was taking first team reps when Dobbins was holding out of training camp. I know that's not always a perfect one for one because, you know, they prep certain ways during the week. But I kind of just think Justice Hill is a better player. I think that Gus Edwards, a lot of his success came in this specific offense.

They were running when they had more determined runs for Lamar Jackson. I think Justice Hill is a better fit for this new offense. I don't know. They also might sign someone. But I think Melvin Gordon's toast. And that's the thing. It's like, I think we could psych ourselves out about a three-man backfield with Melvin Gordon. Maybe they signed someone.

I don't know. But I'm kind of like, all right, but what if Justice Hill and Gus Edwards actually just split this backfield themselves? Like every backfield is a split backfill in the NFL except for like four or three. You know what I mean? It's like at the end of the day, Austin Neckler's in a split backfield. He's fine. So I actually think we might be making a huge mistake not having Justice Hill first here because we're almost sacking ourselves out.

I don't know, D.K., like... Yeah, it's very tough. And I would say even though he is the fifth guy we mentioned in this list or sixth guy, really, if you count Algier, it's the margins between each of them, in my opinion, are pretty razor thin. So if you need a running back, like put in a waiver for all these guys in whatever order you believe is the strongest. And then you'll end up hopefully getting one or two of them.

But like Justice Hill, like you said, Haifitz, he was kind of the starter. There was indications he could be the starter coming into the year. And he was particularly running in front of Gus Edwards and the preseason and all that. So there's some indications here that he will be the next man up. He scored two rushing touchdowns in this last game. And that definitely carried him because he had seven carries for nine yards. Otherwise, it was just not a great. That's not always what you would like to see.

But yes, what you said is 100% correct. Every backfield pretty much in the NFL right now is like a split. Justice Hill and Gus Edwards are almost surely going to split reps, but he's still a strong ad, in my opinion. You should definitely be aggressive and going to get him. I want to throw out a couple more names just because it's week one, and this is the week where you can really make a difference on your team in particular by adding some guys. These are some more that I would see as more like stash type players, but I'm just going to list off a few. Take Bigsby for the Jags, who is getting all their goal line stuff. Taji Spears for the Titans, who actually out snapped Derek Henry, even though he barely got the football.

it's just something to monitor as we go along. Jerome Ford is for the Browns, Roshan Johnson for the Bears, and Sean Tucker for the Buccaneers. There are a couple of other guys that jotted down as just players to potentially stash this week based on how the usage ends up like playing out as the season goes on.

I like all those guys. I agree that they're stashes. They're probably not going to contribute anything for you right now. Right. Rochon Johnson's a good example of someone that is probably a couple injuries away from maybe being a star. And yet right now he's essentially part of a four-man backfield on an offense that can't move the ball.

So it's kind of like how last year, Justin Fields was abysmal for five weeks. And then the final half of the season, he probably could have won a year league. So it's like some of these guys, it's just gradual, gradual, gradual, and then all at once, just absolutely. Like Christian Watson's a good example of that. So that's the tough thing with these running backs. Ford is tough for the guy for the Browns. The only other guy I want to add to that, and I would put above these guys actually. Zach Moss for the cults because.

Yeah. Jonathan Taylor's on, you know, PUP. We'll see when he actually comes back. I have my doubts. and you look, Zach Moss is going to return from an arm injury. He almost came back in week one. I think he'll be back in week two.

Evan Hull is a rookie. Evan Hull basically hurt his knee immediately in week one. So that's not great. The other one was Dion Jackson, the Colts running back. Dion Jackson had five carries for 14 yards and two fumbles. Aaron, remember how he's a jag? Hivots, he had 13 carries for 14 yards.

Not five. He had 13 carries. He averaged one yard to carry. Good Lord. Oh, right. Sorry. I think I, yeah. I mixed up my lines there.

He had five catches. That's actually insane. Right. Okay. 13 carries 14 yards. Aaron Schatz, who used to be football outsiders, he's now at FDN fantasy, has this. There's a stat, basically, it's called DR, but basically it's value of a replacement player. You know?

And it's how good did you do versus a similar player they could find on waivers? And Dion Jackson's score in this stat, a value of a replacement, was the worst grade a running back has gotten in 40 years in this game. Good Lord. 181, so 42 Diers technically. 1981 was the last time How were they even able to go back that far? Like, how can they assess that? They went back and actually created the game.

Like, they went back and got all the data and stuff from games. I think they actually had to, the stats didn't exist yet, so I think they actually had to go back and watch the games. They pull up like old VHS tapes and they chart them. It's crazy. Yeah, they back. Not to be rude, but like, why? And then, yeah.

Great. All right, guys. Sounds like a lot of work. For the next month, you're going to watch every football game from 1982 to 1989 and chart the running back play. Oh, great. I will say, I will say, I watched, I watched. Did we need that? I don't know.

I watched a couple old Giants playoff wins against the 49ers, like back in the 80s and 90s. That was like a sick rivalry. And what blew my, it was like crazy to watch like Bill Walsh coach on the sideline. Oh, yeah. It was crazy. I couldn't believe was that they had instant replay, but no yellow line. And that blew my mind. Like seeing Bill Wall's challenge, but there was no yellow line.

I was just like stunned that that came first. Yeah, well, because instant replay technically, that actually makes sense to me. Like adding a digital line on the screen seems like a much more modern advancement. Didn't they not add the yellow line until like the early 2000s? I think it was 99. That's wild. Oh, was it? It's later than you think.

The Broncos Raiders game, they had one play or two plays where the lines were skewed. Do you remember like your math teachers, whatever used to have those weird projectors where they could put the little thing over and show you how to do graphs or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had, they accidentally moved the blue and yellow lines

and they had it fixed while the game was moving. So it was diagonal. So instead of the line staying put, Somagia Piron was running. I saw that, yeah, yeah. The blue line kept moving ahead of him, so it looked like he was staying in place. And I remember, like, real mind fuck.

You know what I always wondered? I remember when in hockey for a hot minute? I don't know if they still do this, but they had like a little cursor that would like hover over the puck so you could see where the puck is because on TV when you're watching hockey games is like hard to watch the puck. How did they fucking follow that?

They just must have had like a motion sensor or something that would like... They had cameras. Well, that's easier because it's fixed. It's like how tennis has the perfect replay. It's because it's a fixed space. Yeah, I just never understood that. I always like pictured some guy like using like a pen

to like follow the puck. That's cute. He was like really, really fast. That's probably right. Yeah, no, that's correct. Buck guy. It's actually Matt Bellany. Matt Bellany did it.

That's the same guy who goes back and he's been watching all the games from 1984. He's also the puck guy in their NHL season. Just attention to detail off the charts. If Tyler Algear for the Falcons is out there, get him. If not Kenneth Gainwell for the Eagles get him, that's unanimous. And then I would say on the next tier altogether is Kyron Williams for the Rams and Josh Kelly for the charges, the two LA running backs that they're out there, along with the Ravens guys, Justice Hill, Gus Edwards.

And honestly, if you're listening to this and surprise, we didn't have the Ravens guy, just freaking take them. If you think the Ravens guys are better than like, you know, take them over. or Josh Kelly or Kyron Williams. I won't be offended. As Dika said, the margins are thin. And then a tier below that handcuffed territory. Jerome Ford, handcuffed for Chub,

Roshan, part of the Bears backfield. Zach Moss of the Colts, it's still ugly offense. We call that makes sense. And if you're in a really, really, really deep league, I think A.J. Dillon might lose a, you know, third-string running back job to Patrick Taylor. So cool. All right.

Wide receiver time? Yeah. Not that many injuries at receiver in week one, knock on wood. I know it can curse people now. We have obviously Cooper Cup, Jacobi Myers suffered a really tough injury, but otherwise mostly unscathed, having said that, a lot of breakouts.

DK, you wrote a column for fantasyfutball.3.com. Start us off here. Who's your number one waiver ad at receiver entering week two? So I know that you asked me this last night and I said someone else, but I'm changing my mind. I'm going to Pooka Nakua for the Rams. I think in the short term, there's a combination of variables working in his favor. Number one, he looked incredible. Like, he was awesome.

Number two, Matt Stafford looked incredible. Like seriously, he looked prime Matt Stafford. We were so worried about his elbow and his back, the soft season. He looked like vintage Matt Stafford. So that connection there is really, really strong. He had 15 targets. Puka Nakua did, 10 catches, 119 yards. He also had a, he left a little beat on the bone

because Matt Stafford overthrew him a little bit on what would have been a touchdown. So he would have had, like, just an absolutely ludicrous day if he would have hit that play. Nakuwa played on 96% of the team. snaps are the first three quarters. He kind of came out a little bit as the game went on and there was like garbage time. But in the first three quarters, he had a 96% snap rate and a 44% target rate. Stick with that for the next few weeks. Who knows when Cooper Cup is going to come back?

There's a couple other receivers I like, but man, ride the Pooka Nakuwa like wave right now. I have the same thing. There were two players that had 15 targets yesterday that lead the league now in targets. It's Tyree Kill and Pooka Nakuwa. So I don't know. Just ride that wave. Craig, did you have Pooka Nakua? Pookadanchich, I have him as well.

Is this question, before we do showdown time, I just want to talk about the Rams, because obviously Tutu Atwell is also a guy who had 119 yards on eight targets. With this refreshed, refurbished Stafford, are we kind of in on the Rams as a passing attack without Cooper Cup right now? Like, are we like targeting Tutu, Van Jefferson, Puka?

Do you kind of want to grab, shares of all these guys. I think I'm curious what D.K. says. I think the easy thing for me to say is, yeah, they're great. And I know that obviously I was super down on the Rams and said they were on. I said they were on serious defense, I'll say. The defense was good. I think that the real answer, though, Craig is that we're going to.

12 yards in the second half. Well, I'm just trying to avoid the week one, week two roller coaster because they play the Seahawks. And as D.K. said, the Seahawks defense is pretty bad. The Niners, the Rams played the 49ers next week. We saw what they did, the Steelers. So obviously, if Puka and Iku and Tutu Atwell are good against the Niners, like there's nothing left to say, like we're in on the Rams.

I think the real answer is Puka and Tutu Atwell could suck next week. And the Rams could still be good because the Niners D is so good. So if you're adding them, I'd be prepared for them to legit have under five points and still, like, be optimistic. You have to temper your expectations a little bit. By the way, I still think there's a chance like Van Jefferson comes out and, like, leads the team in receiving next week. Like this is what always seems to happen every single year. We see something crazy happen in week one.

And then, you know, the game plan changes. Yeah. The defense changes. Remember Quintez Cephas? Remember Quintes Cephas and the Lions had like 10 targets a game for like three games and then just fell off the face of the earth? It does feel like Van Jefferson is kind of a sleeping giant right now. Yeah. And that three weeks from now, he's the top guy. He, by the way, he did drop another play that like could have completely changed our outlooks on what happened is he dropped.

What would have been probably a touch, like a 50, 60 yard touchdown. he just dropped it. He got wide open down the field. The Seahawks lost track of him. And then it just like bounced on his hands. So that would have been a massive play for him. I mean, recency bias is a core tenet of waiver pickups. I mean, that's all it is.

It's like, oh my God, I can't not think of Pooka Nuku and Nukua getting 10 catches. And one of the hardest parts of week one is that it's still, we're not always just, the things that happen don't always mean anything. Because every week in the NFL, one or two things happen. outcome-wise that are completely outliers. Like you remember a couple years ago when the bills were like one of the best teams in the league and then they lost to the Jaguars nine to six when the Jaguars

ended up getting the number one pick in the draft? But like they beat the bills. It's like there's always something like that each week that you're like, how did that happen? It just sometimes that happens to happen in week one and you don't know. I do think in this case, we could, Pukukuk is clearly number one.

I think, well, we can do showdown time, but I think the question is going to be where we have two at well. Showdown time, time? Showdown time. Craig. It is the Puka Nakua Showdown time.

Did you guys think we'd be here? You think we'd be doing Pooka Nukua number one wide receiver showdown time, week one? I'm going the other way. We've had some freaking sad. We had Mike Boot. We've had some sad showdown times. Pooka Nakua, I think, is actually like, that's a fun.

This is one to sell. It's really fun, but did not think we'd be here week one. No. All right. He's a fifth rounder. Fifth round rookie? 15 targets? This doesn't have it. Is he BYU? He went to BYU?

Yeah. Let me tell you we're about to go. If you're with, if you're listening to this episode with the child, I would pause it. Check it back up when it's just adults. This trivia question is from John. Johnny. According to the British Journal of Urology, the average length of an erect penis is 5.2 inches. Okay.

All right. Everyone has to get, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I got to go call my wife. get up I decide with the basis this time hold up everyone's got to set a text you get five seconds to think about this answer oh yeah how many erect penis 5.2 inches how many erect penises would it take

to cover a football field from goalpost to goalpost you gotta go we gotta go right now you don't get to do the math it's fire okay three two one go Craig wow you got to see

oh my god are you kidding Craig and it both said 400 tickets at 600 That would less me like thinking of the correct answer. And I just like panic, typed a number because Hypatin didn't give me enough time. It's got to be, it's, I'm way too high, I think. I really don't want to think about the circumstance where this would come up. Chris Jones running the 40.

You guys remember that? Oh, yeah. I feel like it would. Is that better or worse than Googling horsoves at work? Just Google. Anything is better than Googling horses. Dick falls out. Okay.

The answer is. 720. Wow. Two for two. DK. Hell yeah. Damn. All right. Hifitz, how do we do this now?

Do we do a separate showdown time? Yeah, how many dicks would take up like the Eiffel Tower? How many of Chris Jones's dick would it be 100 yards? Don't you guys remember the episode of Silicon Valley where they like figure out their problem? Like they're like, you know, computer engineering issue by like the middle out theory about like how many.

penises you could jerk off at a time. Yeah. And it was like dick to dick, and they'd be like, middle out. Well, you could actually probably switch from one penis to the other if they're touching at the tip. And so you could do two each with each hand four at a time. By the way, I was just motioning all that out. Like, I was acting that out.

You might have to make that a social breakout. Craig's a lefty. Jack, rip that one down. Craig's a lefty for those of you who are trying to picture it. That's right. Southpaw. All right. Me and two of them.

DK.K. Kekats Fukenakua. God, I hope none of the players ever listen to this shit. I'm going to take the second one because I feel like I type mine first. That's fair. There's two players here that I'm torn between. It's Kendrick Bourne for the Patriots and Rashid Sheed for the Saints. And I'm going to immediately change my mind. And I'm going to go with Rashid Shaheed for the Saints, which isn't what I thought I was going to do.

But I'm realizing it right now. And I'm going to take Rashid Jihad. And we might as well talk about both these guys right now. The reason, Craig, are you going to take Kendrick Bourne, Craig, or would you take 2-2 at will? My rankings, I had Pooka Nukua 1, Kendrick-Born 2, and Rashid-Sheed 3. I had that too, and I just changed my mind. And you know what's bothering me? I think my issue is with Kendrick-Borne.

So, Kendrick-Born an incredible day, right? 11 targets, 6 catches, 64 yards, two touchdowns. Top 5 receiver. In the rain against the Eagles. Yeah, so it's like, how dumb can I be, right? Like, take the guy who's the top-five receiver. Why are you ever thinking it? Here's my issue.

The Patriots often started with a pick-6. then they came back out and they fumbled. And so the Patriots were down 16 to nothing immediately. And then they had to throw the ball. Mack Jones ended up throwing 54 passes. Yeah, but Hyphitz, look, we play waivers week by week, right? Like, you play to survive another day. Kendrick Boren and the Pats play Miami next week.

That's not going to be a low-scoring game. That's fair. That's a good point. Ooh, yeah. I think, no, that's fair. I think I guess my question is, I guess the only reason that I'm like, my heart's burning for Rashid Shaheed is that when Rashid shihed Heed plays. He always, like, if he's relevant,

it's he always had a long touchdown. Like the end of the day, like, this guy has popped. He wasn't like some massively enticing prospect. And yet, since last season, all this guy does is catch long touchdowns to get open. So never mind the fact that Michael Thomas could get hurt at any moment and elevate, like, the opportunities. Even the fact that in week one, this guy popped,

even with Thomas and Olive, both playing, I kind of just, and I'm like, she hit at five catches, 89 yards in a touchdown. He'd over three yards per rat run. Like, if I got to pop him in, I feel like basically, I feel like really confident that Kendrick Bourne just had the best game of his season. I feel like he's not going to surpass 11 targets. I feel like he's not going to surpass two touchdowns in a game.

I don't know. I feel like at the end of the day, all right, you're getting the number one receiver in the Patriots, but he's going to be intensely better in real life than fantasy. But you're right. Like maybe I'm just being an idiot because they're playing the dolphins. But, D.K., what would you do? Am I making a mistake? No, I don't think you're being an idiot.

I think I would choose Kendrick Bourne. I had him ranked slightly higher. I think his role is going to end up being more stable. He was a big... That's true. I will not even contest that. He was a big... Kendrick Bourne was one of the standouts of Patriots camp.

He was a guy that was inexplicably buried by Matt Patricia last year for like no reason. Patriots fans, if you remember this, were like mystified about why he wasn't playing. And then he immediately comes in under Bill O'Brien and is like a star. He's like the best player in that in that offense last yesterday. So I would say Bourne, but... I think Rashid Shaheed is definitely an interesting one because everything you said is true. Like it seems like every time he gets thrown a pass,

he creates a big play. It's pretty incredible, like the amount of efficiency he's been able to generate. And it's starting to like be become more and more of like a thing where it's like this guy could actually be legit. Where I really worry, though, is he only played 54% of the team snaps yesterday. He feels real boom or bust.

He's going to have big weeks and he's going to have weeks where he disappears. That's what slot receivers do all the time. It's essentially what Elijah Moore plays to the Browns. I know, and that's, that worries me. You're absolutely right. Like, we're probably higher on some of these slot-only guys, Elijah Moore. Christian Kirk is another guy last week that he just only played when they were playing 11 personnel.

He came off the field in two receiver sets, and that really is going to hurt his bottom line. But at the same time, like, the game scripts and, like, the game plan, if maybe they want to go more too tight-end heavy or whatever, that's just, there's going to be more variance, I think, with Rashid Shaheed. Plus, he's a big play guy. And so if he doesn't get one of those big plays, like what's going to happen? I do think he's a very talented player. I just think, like Craig said, he's going to be a little bit boom-bust.

I think that's exactly the point. And I actually would say that there's no right or wrong answer. It's just actually a matter of mentality. I think that Rashid Heat is absolutely going to be more boom-bust, and Kendrick Boren's absolutely going to be more reliable. I kind of think that you kind of want to swing for some home runs sometimes. And again, if you need reliable, take reliable. Maybe if Cooper Cup and Jerry Judy and Christian Watson,

and you're like, God damn it, give me Kendrick Boren. I need to play in this week. If you're more like, I think my team might be good and I kind of want to take a swing. If a month from now, Michael Thomas assert and Rashid Shaheed just like leads to the league in air yards, like I think that's kind of like where you'd probably make the difference. It's probably more approach than anything. You know what's funny about Rashid Shahid is for some reason I always thought basically because he was a boom-buss big play guy.

I just assume those guys are always short. I kind of pictured him in my head like a Rondale Moore type. That's fair. Like Deontze Hardy. But he's six feet, Rashid Shahid, which. surprise me for some reason. I don't know why. I just thought he was like a little guy,

like a 2-2-at-well. Google him, click on his picture. It's a really nice photo. It's a really nice photo. Like, everything I just said, I think still remains true, but like he's one of those guys, I think actually might be just like legit,

really good. You know what I mean? And like a year from now, like we're talking about him as like a stud. I kind of just want to bet on that talent. All right. So fourth, will we take Tutu Atwell fourth?

I don't think so. I'm surprised you guys are forgetting about Zay Jones. I had him and Zey Jones down as the other guys. And this is exactly the conversation we were just having where Christian Kirk came off the field for the Jags. Basically, the arrival of Calvin Ridley has crushed Christian Kirk, his value in fantasy potentially.

And so when the... He's your market corrected. I mean, Trevor Lawrence is obsessed with Calvin Ridley. Like, if you watched that game, all he did was start of Calvin Ridley. Oh, my God. And they played more too. So Kirk was off the field more as well. Yeah, so Zay Jones, he played

88% of the team snaps. He got five catches, 55 yards a touchdown, 22% target rate. All these numbers are extremely good. These are exactly what you're looking for. And this is a guy who's catching passes from Trevor Lawrence. Last year he had 82 catches, 800 plus yards. I think we're just kind of like ignoring him

because he was a late breakout career guy. Last year was his first big season. But I don't know, man. He looks to me like a really solid addition. He's like right in that Kendrick-Borne, I think, area of like a solid number two type receiver. in a good offense with a good quarterback. So I don't know.

I think he'd be my number three guy behind. Honestly, yeah, there's an argument that he could be number one. Like you could, or not if Neku is number one, you could argue that Zay Jones should be over Kendrick Bourne for the reliability rankings. Right. And I still like Boren, but yeah. Get ready for the NFL season with incredible offers from Fandal,

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the number two guy in this offense. He cut two touch stands this week. He was underrated last year, kind of good last year, and he might just be kind of good again, and I feel like he suffers from low draft capital reputation, where just people don't want to believe that he's good because he was such a late round pick. And then also, Alan Robinson, if Deontay Johnson's out,

I mean, Alan Robinson led the Steelers and yards this week against the Niners. And then Robert Woods, on the Texans, he had 10 targets. I don't know if he really has the ceiling. He's like the opposite of Rashid Shaheed, where if you need a guy who's going to get five catches for 50 yards, Robert Woods, you know, 10 targets, safety blanket, playing the close next week. This reminds me, this is so like the group of pass catchers that are top waiver

editions this week are so just like a, it's a result of human nature. We're always chasing the sexy, new, like high upside guys. That's who we draft. And then after one week, we're dumping those guys to pick up the freaking Alan Robinson's, Robert Woods, like, go home to your wife. I think we should, no, but we should talk about this because we got a memento tattoo that was from last year, which was hold on to your rookie receivers, because how many people had Christian Watson and then cut him?

You know what I mean? How many people had Justin Fields and cut him? So I actually think we should play this. Let's say, obviously, if you have to play someone this week, if you have the Cooper Cup, Jerry Judy, Christian Watson lineup and Kelsey or whatever, and you need to play a person for this week that's a different conversation. But if that's not the case, would you cut Marvin Mims on the Broncos for Pooka Nukuwa, DK? You don't need them this week?

that is a tough one. Marvin has barely played this week. He played like 24% snaps. I don't want to overreact again because it's easy to overreact in week one and I've made this mistake in the past. Tyler Boyd, would you cut Tyler Boyd for Kendrick Bourne? No, no, make him pick here with Mims or Nekua.

Nakuwa, to me, this is such a unique question because legitimately this is the greatest week one for any rookie ever. Like legitimately, 15 targets, 10 catches. almost. And Quombolden forever and always. Okay. Sorry. Definitely.

But it is, it's, it's high. It's up there. So you don't want to overact. You don't want to underact. I'm taking Nakua, though, honestly. I'm just throwing names out. Juju. I think you can cut Juju for Kendra Borg.

I just think cutting people, it's so hard. And again, with the giant caveat of like, we don't know who's on your team. We don't know some waivers. Like, sorry, we can't actually help you that much. But Juju cut him for Kendrick Boren. Yep. You know, I'm looking at guys who did nothing.

Jonathan Mingo for the Panthers. You want to hold him? I just think that offense is going to be too all over the place. Would you cut Christian Kirk for any of these guys? Would you just bailing on it? 60% snaps. I don't think I'd bail on Christian Kirk. Like, I wouldn't cut him yet, no.

I would not advise. I feel like you have someone else to cut than Christian Kirk. Like Doran O'Noonie, who even scored. Shod Bateman, who played like 30-something percent of the snaps? Like, there's just a lot of these guys this week where you're like, oh, my God, do I overreact to this? You're saying cut Rashad Bateman? I would not cut Rashad. No, I'm asking.

Would you cut him for any of these guys? first round pick and he had an injury. He had a lot of, he's behind in practice. If he shot Bateman two weeks from now is still like playing 30% of snaps, yeah, I think that was more related to. And this is more? Yeah. Scott Moore who played like almost every snap in the game and had like zero catches.

These are the questions. These are very hard. I think I'm done with Sky Moore. I think I'm out. I think the reaction to the chiefs receiver stuff, including by myself, was so extreme that the chiefs are aware of it. And I would hold it for one. Did you see what Andy Reid said about Cadarious today?

He took to blame himself, right? And he put it blame himself. For people that didn't see it, Andy Reid basically was like, look, I put him in a tough situation because he didn't practice barely at all in the preseason. And then we put him in a situation. Kidarius, Tony. And then we put him in a situation where we were asking him to make some big plays in really key moments and essentially took the, deflected the blame, which is a huge

thing of Andy Reed to do because Cadarius Tony is, you know, you could throw him to the bus pretty easily based on his actions throughout his career. No, that's, I think that's good coaching. It's good coaching. That's what I'm saying. I'm just saying like, you know, he's not necessarily the first guy. I think people, a lot of people would want to defend. He's like out talking shit to Giants fans the day, like a couple days after, like putting like out the worst game of his career.

Let me ask you this. Yeah. Would you cut Cadarius Tony for any of these guys on this list that we just named? Again, it's, it depends on what you need next week. I still am bullish on Tony. honestly, like, maybe I'm just completely delusional at this point, but like, no, I mean, from what Hyfitts has been saying about, like, you want to go for upside, sure, if you want to, like, get five catches a week, you can grab Kendrick Bourne.

But if you want to go for upside and your goal is to win your league, you got to hold on to Cadarius Tony. I think there's still a chance that solely out of spite that she's actually on purpose, try to get Tony a touchdown this weekend, then you might be able to trade him, not for like, you know, a great player, but you might be able to flip Tony, even for something as silly as, like, a better tight end or backup tight end or something. So I think maybe maybe I'm crazy, but like I'm I'm more willing to like, like abandon ship on Christian Kirk than I am on like a guy.

The answer is you can though if you want. Like there's no answer. There's no right answer. Like the reality is you have to figure it out for yourself. Because we don't know the context of your league and what you know. And also who's on your freaking roster. It's a different answer if you're in a salary cap draft you of Justin Jefferson and Tyree Kill than it is if your top receivers freaking DG Moore. So it all depends.

All right, tight end. Again, this is like the tight end apocalypse. There's Travis Kelsey's hurt. Mark Andrews was hurt. George Kittles banged up and playing. Not a single tight end in the NFL at over 60 yards. So, again, I actually think, I can't prove this, but my gut is there's more tight ends rostered than at any week one ever because I feel like how many people go into a week

one with a backup tight end? Like half your league or whatever? I feel like everyone, like there's probably more backup tight ends ever because like half the tight ends were drafted. were hurt and they were all the good ones. So I don't know who's available. I think there's probably like a massively wide range of players who were actually available. So with that caveat, DK, entering week two, who is your number one must add tight end for

week two in fantasy football? Again, this was a very tough decision. And I think it comes down to, and I'm going to issue a caveat, it comes down to what you need on your team. Are you shooting for upside or you just need someone to fucking plug in to your lineup because you drafted, you know, Gerald Everett, because I recommended him, and I'm sorry for that,

because he split reps almost evenly with Donald Parham, and that was not what I was expecting. So if you need to get a guy in and, like, plug him into your lineup and just get a few points, I'm going with Zach Hertz for the Cardinals, which is like the least exciting thing you could possibly do. What?

I'm stunned. He had 10 targets. I'm stunned as well. Ten targets. I don't care. From Josh Dobbs. How many did he catch? Six.

For how many yards? Zix 20? Just for the tight ends. Two tight ends scored double digit points, Craig. This is like beggars can't be choosers. To me, to me, look, again, there's other guys I like more. There's other guys I'm more excited about. If you need a guy who's going to give you a little bit of a floor at tight end,

I think Zach Hertz could be the guy. He had, he played 90, he ran around on 90% of the snaps that they dropped back. And that's like an elite number for the tight-up position. You want a guy who's going to be running routes. And Zach Hertz has done this like every year in his career. He's been good. This is just the most out-of-character thing. ever, and I think that's what Craig and I was surprised,

because my number one guy was Luke Musgrave, the tight end for the pack. He was the guy who I was. He was the second most yards. He was alluding to. He was the guy was alluding to. He had the second most yards of any player this week, and he actually freaking tried to field the ball like a little eager,

and like he should have scored a touchdown. Luke must have easily should have been the number one tight end this week. Yeah. He was treating that. He was treating that pass like he was like trying to like, you know how like outfielders will like brace for the wall and like, oh, I'm on the, I'm on the warning track. Oh, shit.

Like he turned around and he was like back peddling to try and catch this fast. I feel like he was so nervous. He's like, this is my first game. I can't drop this ball. Just catch it and go down. Because he was so open you had time to think of it. He's like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. But yes, this is.

Everyone's watching me right now. 100% out of character because I feel like sometimes I get out over my skis with these rookies. And so I was just trying to be the responsible one and say, draft the guy that got 10 or take the guy that got 10 targets in this last game. You're doing too much. Now you're doing too little. Now you're doing nothing at all. Like you spent the entire draft cycle saying Luke Musgrave is great. The entire preseason saying, hey, cheeky rookie might be good.

And then he actually has the second most yards of any tight end in week one. And now you're out on Luke Musgrave. Like, what are you doing here? Give me a break. I'm not out. He's just my one B. I would take Luke Musgrave because, again, at the end of the day, the goal of streaming tight ends ultimately is to stop having to freaking do it.

It's like a hinge. It's like it's designed to be deleted. It's like you want to just stream the guy that's going to get you out of this. I agree, though. I would say my top tier guys, Luke Musgrave, because I'm hoping he has this, like, great rookie season. And, like, he had the most routes, I believe, of only the Packers players, maybe other than Dobbs.

But then there's a tier to me of Zach Ertz, who I can't believe he came back to get 10 targets a week one. I know. I cannot believe this either. That's, the fact that Zach Ertz beat Kyler in the return, I kind of was stunned by. Dude, Ertz is just, he's one of those guys. He's never going to go away.

He's going to be playing until he's, like, 50. And he's just going to catch, like, eight, eight passes for 36 yards every week. He does have the old man game. And I think it's a good, like, he almost dropped a touchdown. Zero tackles. Hunter Henry for the Patriots, who actually was like the number one tight end, along with Hayden Hurst this week.

Hunter Henry, I don't know if you saw the catch he had to extend the Patriots final drive. Hunter Henry actually has incredible hands. Hunter Henry is like a weirdly excellent catcher of the football. He had an unbelievable fourth down grab to save that drive. If the Patriots ended up winning, it was going to because of Hunter Henry.

And I think he's going to be Mac Jones as a Red Zone guy. Jake Ferguson for the Cowboys. Yep. just the Cowboys didn't have to play a real game. It was kind of like Alabama playing the Citadel. So I think he had like, Jake Ferguson had like, I don't have it in front of me. He had like six targets on 12 routes.

Seven targets. Yeah, it was like he was like every other time he was running a route like Dack was looking to him, which is exactly why we talked about him in the preseason. Dak loves throwing to his tight ends. The tight ends on his team were not very good in this game in this particular game. But I think we all believe the volume eventually will be there. And so there are other two ends. Hayden Hurst was.

of the top scores. He was one of the few tight ends of scored touchdown. We got an email from someone saying, what about Hayden Hurst this year? And then I saw him score. And I was like, but here's the thing. He's still on the Panthers. The Panthers look abysmal.

If I look at guys that you might actually be able to scrounge together, not having a stream every week and are actually all right. Luke Mosgrave, Hunter Henry, Zachertz and Jake Ferguson. I don't know. We can do trivia time, but Craig, or showdown time. But Craig, is there anyone outside of that group that you would pick up? Sam Leporta. Sam Leporta is 36% on ESPN.

Oh, is he? okay. I was going to say, because he's like 60-something percent on Yahoo. Yes. He would be another guy. I think him and him and him and him and him and him and him and Musgrave in my heart of hearts obviously are like the two true loves of this group. And so you know, I would have them first. But if you're really trying to just be conservative, Zach Rhodes. I agree with that, Craig. I think those are the five. And the good news is this is like the running back thing. You can get one of these guys like you absolutely can get one of these guys. I don't know which one, but they're available and I think they're going to be great.

So well, that's well, they'll be servicable. Let's do it. Let's do a show on. time. Yeah, showdown time. All right. Luke Musgrave's. Just High Fitz and I, right? So D.K.'s got to read this question. All right. Here we go. This one is from Franco. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, jumping the gun. Look, I'm not very well practiced on this. Please, continue. Craig. Like Lamar with the rust.

You're not disrespect the showdown time. All right. High Fitz and I. It is the Luke Musgrave showdown time. All right. This one's from Franco. Franco Nothing from Hafeitz All right In 1952 Pro Bowl running back

slash end Clois Box slash end Led the NFL Coisbach led the NFL In receiving touchdowns How many touchdowns did Clois box score

Did Running back slash end? He was a running back slash end And he led the league in receiving touchdowns Yes what an interesting player.

Texted into the chat. Okay. All right. Give me a second here. Geez. Hold on. You know we can edit out dead air, right? Like we don't have to just be like three seconds, go. But you don't want to think about it too much. Jeez. Well, this isn't like where you can count the amount of inches in a football field. Like, more

thinking doesn't actually help here. In fact, it probably hurts. I'm trying to help you, Craig. I'm like between like two numbers. I don't know. Okay. I'm ready. I'm between two numbers. too. I'm trying to decide lower or higher end.

God, maybe I'm stupid about this, but I'm... All right, let's do it. Three, two, one, go. Craig said four. Holy shit, okay. Oh, my God, I said 12, and Craig said four.

I'm like, four. Well, the answer is 15. Damn it. Damn, that's really high. Craig had low expectations for football back in the Clisk back. How after do they throw in the football in the 50s? I thought it was like Navy. I thought they were throwing the ball eight times a game.

That's funny. That's good. Dude, Coyce box. What a fucking machine. 15 touchdowns. It's our guy. Love Cloy's box.

Craig, maybe they played like 40 games back then. I don't think so. His wife, Fern. All right, so I get Luke Muskrave. D.K.'s taking Zacherts. Craig, are you taken from this heap of tight-end buffering?

I'm between Leporta and Hunter Henry. I actually think I'm going to take Leporta. I'm not going to be, I've been on the Hunter Henry train a million times. not falling for it again. He had Italian for the door. I'm sensing a theme. Ten weeks from now,

we're going to be talking about how Justice Hill and Hunter Henry are like top 10 guys in the position. And then in the week one showdown time, none of us even shows them. I don't know, man. I feel like we've done this with Hunter Henry for four straight seasons. We're like, no, no, this team actually is the perfect spot for him. And then he has four catches for 40 yards every game.

And he's the tight end 16. The Hunter Henry thing, the number that I'll throw out with Hunter Henry, that makes me a little bit worried about just thinking this is this is like fool's goal in a little bit is they threw I think he had I think mac Jones had like 54 pass attempts in this game he had a he had an 11% target rate like the numbers are a little misleading that he had six targets you know what I mean there's 54 pass attempts Titan's so disgusting oh my god okay but 11 like an 11% target rate is not good for like a normal team that's that's not going to like do it for you every week you need Dallas

Scott or to catch a ball. Yeah, for Christing. As soon as possible. All right. We can run through. All right, other positions really quick. Quarterback, I think it's super simple. You know, no quarterbacks are hurt.

There's no bye weeks yet. I think my only question is really if you're adding someone, it's because, you know, your quarterback sucks. So I would just throw out four guys. And I'm curious if you guys wanted to add someone could you think they're legit. They're all probably available. Jordan Love, Mack Jones, Brock Purdy and Matt Stafford. And I'm curious, if you guys have to be.

to add one of those. Like if you have, I don't know, just Anthony Richardson or Gino Smith or someone and you just want another quarterback, who would you add? Jordan Love, MacC Jones, Braddie or Stafford. It's Purdy,

and I hate myself. Every time Purdy plays, he's a top 10 quarterback. So I would just say, yeah, Purdy is definitely the reasonable one. Mac Jones is interesting because of what Craig said.

The Dolphins in Week 2, like could be like a, like a, just a race to shootout. I don't know. That one's kind of interesting to me. But Matt Stafford, rest of the season is interesting to me,

but they play the 49ers in week, too, and that's scary. So I wouldn't say, if you're picking him up for one week, don't take Matt Sauerd. Jordan Love was the top five quarterback this week, baby. Yep. Jordan Love looked good.

I mean, he looked really solid. I think the Bears are a fake team. But, yeah, he looks solid. A lot of serious team. They are truly an unsurious team, unsurious franchise. So I wouldn't get too over my skis about Jordan Love, but I did think he was

impressive. I thought he looked pretty good. If they bench Ryan Tannihill, who do you guys think is going to start? That is a great question, Craig. I actually was, yeah, we can talk about this later in the week, but I am curious if Tannahill was just that bad because of Rust or what was up there. My only thing with, sorry, I was pulling numbers on Brock Purdy because what I wanted to say was the thing about Purdy, that sounds like the answer, but he's only had over 20 points in a fantasy points in a game once.

Yeah, how many times is even lower than 17? He's like never had lower than 17. he's always between 14 and 7th 14 and 9th floor low ceiling yeah all right would you guys think of uh sam howell he was exactly as i imagine yeah very bakery chaotic yeah i wouldn't but you know friskey you can scramble the kind of player you talk yourself into but then in practice you watch him and you're like how did i get it's like horny police it's like how did i get horny enough to like text this person it's like how did i put this person in my lineup and lock that in it's like You know, I can't believe I did that to myself.

Especially against the Cardinals' defense. Like, it's not going to get any easier than that, probably, right? Yeah. I would do Pordy and Jordan Love. Brock Pertie's never thrown for less than two touchdowns in a game when he's healthy. All right. You can do party. All right.

Defenses, I think this is pretty crucial. This is a huge week. I mean, look, if you have the Cowboys or whatever, you have the Cowboys. Congratulations. I would say if you're going to stream defenses and you'll listen this, you probably do because you probably took defenses last. I think there's a few defenses that stand out a lot. The Buccaneers. are playing the Bears this week,

as we were just saying, an unsurious team. I don't if you guys remember the last time the Bucks played the Bears. There are Justin Fields, 38 to 3, Tampa 1. Justin Fields had three picks, and he had three fumbles,

and seven of those defenders are still on the team, and Todd Bowles is still there. So, I mean, I think Justin Fields is screwed. They're available like 90% of ESPN leagues. The Broncos are in a similar spot, not available in 90% of leagues.

The defense is still very talented. They're playing Washington. and Sam Howell this week. Sam Howell who handed the, you know, Washington that touchdown, or sorry, the Arizona that touchdown for halftime. Those are the top two to me. Then you've got Packers are widely available. They're playing Atlanta this week.

Desmond Ritter. I mean, you know, the Falcons are winning, but like Desmond Ritter, still Desmond Ritter. And then Cleveland, who is unbelievable and they're facing the Steelers. Sorry, Craig, but the Cleveland defense might just be incredible. I don't know. Did you guys see the replay of Miles Garrett, like, dribbling between, like, pretending to dribble between his legs before a snap? I said it to you guys.

I was confused by that. I don't think he actually dribbled. It looked like he was. He's dribbling between his legs. He's going back and forth. Is that what he was doing? Did someone just joke about that? That's what he's 100% doing that.

That is the universal like move when you're like, you don't have a basketball and you're like in your apartment and you're pretending to go through your legs. He was doing that. Anyway, so Craig, how you feel about Pittsburgh's offense? It was one of the cooler things I've ever seen, to be honest. He was like fucking jukeing people before. snap just like having fun and blew right past the

guard. It was incredible. Yeah, that's the guy I wants to win defensive player with you. All right. Any other ones? I would also throw out the Bengals who are playing the Ravens, but I'm kind of not afraid of the Ravens. Did you mention the Colts playing Texans? I was going to say both. The Colts are playing the Texans. Texas playing the Colts. I actually kind of

like the Texans defense. I think Anthony Richardson's more likely to turn it over than the Texans are, but either one. You got a game of two rookie quarterbacks. I think you can get on either side of that. Yeah. Yeah. What about Hyvitz? I mean, every week,

you can probably just rev up who was ever playing the Cardinals, and that's your Giants this week. I mean, not a terrible star. I'm too scarred. Hyphus doesn't want to talk about it. The idea of me, like,

recommending the Giants after, like, they lost 40 to love. Like, it was a tennis match. They lost 40 to nothing. Like, I didn't really have the heart. Yeah, you know, but what, two of those touchdowns

were not on the defense. So, it's really like 24 points they let up. It's defense slash special teams. You know. We don't need to go there again. It's a fresh game. I'm just saying, like, I love just picking the shittiest team in the league and just

streaming, though, whichever defense plays them. There's a lot. There's a lot. What was it last year? Was there some stat? It was like the defense that played the Texans last year were like six. There was some crazy stat last year with whoever played the worst team in the league. If you just added up the total each week, they were like a top five defense in the league.

Yeah. Playing the Giants against the Cardinals is fine. I just didn't want to be the one. want to say it to be totally honest. I also think the bucks might be solid. All right. There you go. You want to do a couple emails to get out of here?

Yeah. All right. We're talking about football and stats. Tom, shout out Tom. Tom. Tom. When people make money on betting on our advice that we didn't think of, Tom was listened to me rant about the rookie quarterbacks,

bet on the Ravens, Jags, and Falcons to all win. And then he made $400. He says, I've made $400 and bought a chainsaw, thanks to the advice. Whoa. Nice. I did not even make that bad. I'm an idiot. You know why that guy's a healthy gambler?

Because he gambled. He won money. He pulled it out and he spent it. And he turned it into a physical item that he can use for years. Cut trees down. What a chainsaw. Because CJ Stroud lost. What a crazy world.

For fucking heat. He's creating energy. You know? All right. We got an email from Nick. Nicky. So we've been talking about our intro. and so some of the intro there was a version goes beep boop and then some go BB boop and

it's a whole thing it's again it's a whole thing so anyway Nick writes in to say I'm a music producer I can explain the variability of the beeps and boops in your intro song okay the beeps and boops are in stereo meaning that the boops are meant to go through the left channel and the beeps go through the right it creates a fun effect when you listen to it with the headphones the opposite of stereo is mono, meaning that a song in mono sends the same audio through left and right channels. If you play a stereo song and mono, sometimes what happens is the system just takes the signal from one side, projects it to both. So in a weird way, the beep only, or boop only, I can't remember, version is the intro is just the left side of the original intro song.

Wow. Do you think that's, does that? Let me tell you that. Yes, it does. Nick's 100% right. That makes a ton of sense, actually. So the one without the beeps is actually. So the one without the beeps is actually. She's just the left side. That's amazing. Or the right. Yeah, it's a monotrack, perhaps. Wow. That's incredible.

Thank you, Nick. Wow, shout out Nick. We learned so much. Kai. Kai, you're fired. Nick, you're hired. Welcome aboard, Nick. What kind of food do you think Nick eats?

The best kinds. RIP to Kai Fieri. Wow. Also, Craig was talking on Sunday's show about wanting a German word for just sitting and watching football all day on your couch and feeling miserable and not to be happy. Jonas. Jonas. Jonas emailed in to say the most fitting expression for a sad dude watching eight hours of football feeling miserable about his imaginary team would probably be Armas Version, which translates literally to poor little sausage. Wow.

I feel like a little sausage just sitting in my own grease. Vermis Vershton. Armish Vershton. You also got a lot of hate mail, Craig, from all the 49ers fans. I'll just quote a couple. When is Kenny Pickett entering the Joe Montana conversation, Craig? And then we also tell me again, Craig, how 49ers fans have been fooled about Brock Purdy, but that Kenny Pickett's going to be great.

Tell me how 49ers fans have been fooled about Brock Purdy, because you guys thought he was better than Tom Brady, like eight months ago. What do you have to say about that? You probably do right now. I'm getting ridiculous text from people about what they think about Brock Purdy. Remember, Nick Mullins was the second quickest player to ever get to whatever.

He had the second most yards ever in his first 16 games of his career. You know why that was? Kyle Shanahan. Brock Brady's fine. I'd rather have him than Tom Brady. At least he wins, you know? I mean, look, D.K.,

would you rather have Brock Purdy or Kenny Pickett career? Don't drag me into this. And you know what? They're not on their teams. They are picked up and dropped on the Texans. Who would you want? Pickett. I'm going to say Brock Birdie.

I would take Pickett. A rift has just formed at this podcast. I can feel it. I don't care that much, to be totally honest. Oh, you don't? Damn. I thought you were really invested in this imaginary ballot. I will say it's kind of weird that Kenny Pickett.

he's basically had six good drives in the NFL. Like I can count them off the top of my head. That's not good. Yeah. How many Daniel Jones had six in five years? Sorry, I'm lashing out. He's, dude. You're deflecting.

He's done more or less. He's done more or less. He had six good drives in the playoffs. Daniel Jones has been dog shit for four years and he threw 15 touchdowns last year. And you guys gave him $160 million. Daniel Jones had 400 years. yards in a playoff game this year. Daniel Jones got paid $10 million per touchdown he threw last year.

You haven't had 400 yards on the offense in 36 games. You win one playoff game for the first time in 10 years, and now you're, you give a quarterback $160 million. Talk about blowing your load. It took like 18 hours after Craig and I had our teams demolish us to turn on each other. At least Kenny Pickett, at least Kenny Pickett, could be good. We know Daniel Jones is not,

and you gave him $160 million. I wanted this to keep going. I think the problem is that the main criticism of Daniel Jones is that he's just a running back and not a passer, but that Daniel Jones had much better passing games than Kenny Pickett. He threw 15 touchdowns last year. I think what the hell are you talking about? Daniel Jones's literal first start in his NFL career.

He had 336 yards. I don't think any picket's ever done that. I had over three. I'm not trying to throw picket under the bus here, but like, I think you literally. are. What Daniel Jones? Like, Dale Jones is getting paid a $160 million. Kenny Pickett's a fucking, he just barely a rookie. He's a second year

guy with like six starts. They're like the same age. Daniel Jones set the record for like most fumbles by a quarterback in the first three years of his career. What the fuck are you talking about? was born in May of 1997. The same age. The same age thing. That's a fair point. Kenny Pickett was born in June of 98. Daniels is one year older than Kenny Pickett. Like, just say it.

This is Daniel Jones is hamstringing the giant's ability to build a roster, though. Let's be honest. Daniel Jones has fumbled 42 times in his career. That was bad. I won't defend that, but it's over. I really enjoy the fact that Craig is not once acknowledged anything hyphids has said and just responds with Daniel Jones facts.

I'm like, look, Kenny Pickett hasn't even played 16 games yet. Can we fucking chill? That was good This is like that game You know the new sport Where guys just slap each other As hard as they get in the face Yeah

I was like what I think that game got I think that show was canceled It wasn't that a Dana White game It's two of guys Just getting knocked out Yeah I mean it makes sense It's called slap shot or something Or slap fight

Greg this is totally organic I swear on my life That this actually just happened A perfect resolution to this argument I'll actually do it after A perfect thing Okay I'm going to come back to this after I do the thank yous.

Thank you, D.K. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, intern, Jack. Everyone behind the scenes. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, Chris Cross. No comments.

I don't know that. Before your error. Which is perfect, actually, because my friend, who's a lawyer, just as we're speaking, texted me the answer to our question about how music copyright works. Literally, I just am getting this right now. He says, to your guy's question about musical plagiarism. They're intensely fact-specific cases, and they often get into the minute discussions Craig was joking about, like, beats per minute, chords, et cetera, and whether the two works

are, quote, substantially similar. How do you determine substantially? Legal ease. Love it. It's demonstrated either through admission or just circumstantial evidence showing that the alleged copier had access to the original work, but both issues are put to a jury. So, like I said, highly fact-intensive. and both parties hire experts to testify as about the likeness or dissimilarity of the two works.

And he said, my friend actually is a copyright lawyer. Imagine if Goodwill Hunting was just about music rights. I'd love to see, like, it's Tom Cruise arguing that Olivia Rodriguez didn't copy a Taylor Swift song and Dejaveau. And they're just playing it over and over for a jury. Is that what it's like? I'd love to be in that. Yeah. What was the, you said Goodwill Hunting.

Oh, sorry. A few good men. I think you did. Maybe I just misheard. I don't know. But yes. Two titles with the word good in it. You can't handle the truth. Like imagine some guy being like really listen to deja vu here. Listen to this one line.

This really sounds like cruel summer from Taylor Swift. Who ordered the code red? Why was there two guitar riffs? Do you guys remember Vanilla Ice with Fuck. Oh yeah. Dun dun dun dun da. Queen.

When I was a kid, I was like, like, oh my God, it's so weird that they sound so similar. Ice, ice, baby. Anyways, he argued that it was done, done, dun, dun, da-da-dan-dun, instead of like, dun, dun, dun, da-da-da-da. That's like our intro song. It's like, B-Boo-Boo-Boo-Bee. It's like very close to that.

Beep. So I love that the answer to this is that two lawyers go into a courtroom in front of a jury and argue beeps and then a jury decides. God, dude. But the jury has to sit there all serious and they're like, yeah. Like, imagine the jury deliberations with just alone. And they're like, well, they've made a good case that it was beat, beat, boot. And they're like, but what about the boop, boop, beep?

Yeah, I mentioned the seven angry men movie about like fucking movie or music rights. I can't. I refuse to send this man to prison. 12 angry men. No, sorry. We're all fucked up with our movie references today. Sorry. A few good seven men.

Seven few good bed Oh my God Late stage capitalism The left side of the court case All right Imagine being on that jury If I was on that jury I just be like

Can we just not do this? This is fake Can we not do this? Like don't we have more important things to do? A lot of juries I couldn't really imagine being on right now All right Let's get out of here

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