The Ringer NFL Show - Waiver Wire Pickups for Week 5

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

SHOWDOWN TIME! Must-add players at each position ahead of NFL Week 5 (3:41). Plus, emails (54:22)! RB: Kareem Hunt (Chiefs), Trey Sermon (Colts), and Tyler Allgeier (Falcons) (3:41) WR: Dontayvion Wicks (Packers), Wan’Dale Robinson (Giants), and Josh Downs (Colts) (17:47) TE: Taysom Hill (Saints), Tucker Kraft (Packers), and Tyler Conklin (Jets) (40:17) QB: Justin Fields (Steelers) and Joe Flacco (Colts)* (46:27) D/ST: Minnesota Vikings, Denver Broncos, and Seattle Seahawks (47:18) Click here to donate to help those impacted by Hurricane Helene. Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, before we get to the show today, just a quick note up top, Hurricane Helene has devastated a lot of the southeastern United States. More than 100 people have died, more than 2 million people done of power. And too many people do not have access to food and water. And so we just wanted to do a quick shout out to some organizations that are helping people if you want to donate anything. And the one we just want to plug here very quickly is the North Carolina voluntary organizations active in disaster, which, you know, it's a little bit of a mouthful. Craig, maybe we can help them, you know, rebrand or something. N. N.C. Voad is the acronym. But the NCVO, it has a list of vetted disaster relief organizations providing services to survivors.

And it just, it's over 50 organizations. There's faith-based ones. There's community-based ones. There's nonprofits. There's non-governmental organizations. So it's kind of just everything under the sun in terms of organizations. They're different. They've been vetted.

So you can go through and kind of find which one suits what you think is best. But this one is specific to North Carolina. Obviously, a bunch of states have been affected, but we just wanted to start somewhere. We will have the link to that in the episode description, but it's also just NCVOAD.org. I know Craig hates when I do URLs, but NCVOAD.org, but the link is in the episode description. And so, yeah, donate there if you want to help.

And we can just get to the show. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitts, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Warlbeck. And today we are going through our must-add players after week four. Here's how it works. We're going to go position by position. And then we're all going to pick our favorite player at that position.

but if any of us pick the same player, we're going to do a trivia tiebreaker, just figure out who gets the player, and then those guys have to pick different players. If you lose, it's not that complicated, you will figure it out. If you have trivia questions, you want to send us about clouds or Jupiter,

well, that was in the past, but like anything that comes up today that you think it's weird, you want to email us about ringer fantasy football at gmail.com, emails, just, you know, it's got to be an amount. We've got to put closest to the bin here. So a number, a year, a date, an amount, whatever.

Emails or ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. And obviously emails fantasy courts, too. We do that. That's our Wednesday podcast, but we're actually going live now on YouTube as well on Tuesday night. So email us your fantasy courts. And of course, any actual football questions you have, Sunday categories for the Sunday show,

whatever you want for the daily double. Okay. You did it. You did it. Football at Gmail, boom. We did all that. All right. So just getting to this week, one, two notes still.

Monday night football has not happened yet. We're recording this Monday. And the lions and the Seahawks and the Dolphins and the Titans and the Titans and the Titans and the Titans and the Titans and the Titans and the Titans, buy weeks are here. Is that a little crazy, Craig? Titans, Lions, Eagles, charges are on by. We're already here. I know, and it came at a horrible time because a lot of good players got hurt this week.

Yep. It's like setting some pretty awful lineups looking ahead to week five already. We're already back. Fantasy begins in week five with the buy weeks. I mean, if you just think about just, there are not a lot of season ending, I mean, knock out of wood, season ending injuries right now. Like, there's definitely been years and past

where like injuries are ruining the season. But for fantasy purposes, you got like A.G. Brown and Devante Smith and Debo Samuel and Christian McCaffrey and then George Kittle. And then you have like, Chris Oliva got banged up at practice this week. And then he ended up playing. And you got like Tyree Kill playing with the dolphins. And like all the receive.

I know there's like a bunch of receivers I didn't hit. But like there are so many injuries that I feel like it's almost normal to look around your leagues and see like people with three or four people on their bench who are just like really top six picks that just aren't playing. Yeah. Tossing Cooper Cup and Pooka Nakua. Obviously, Rishi Rice recently. It's, it's a bloodbath out there.

All the Packers receivers when Jordan Love went down. Like it is, it's been really tough for the first four. week's that receiver. All right. So let's just jump into it. Running back, DK. Who is your number one running back waiver ad entering week five? I think I'm going to have to go with Kareem Hunt for the chiefs. He came in. They basically, they signed him to their practice squad, got him up to speed over the course of like a week. And then he came in this last week and was ultimately became sort of their starter. Carson Steele, it helped that Carson Steele lost a fumble on his first carry of the game

and then only saw one touch for the rest of the game. We hardly knew you, Carson Steele. Maybe he'll come back and they'll keep playing it, but I thought Hunt looked pretty good. 14 carries, 69 yards, two catches for 16 yards. He played 43% of the snaps, got 60% of the rushes, had a little bit of burst. So I think he's going to be the starter

for the short term until they get Pichico back, but he would be, I think, at least worth grabbing and seeing how that all goes. Do you think Carson Steele's very limited career? Who knows if he is on a team next year? Do you think his very limited time in the NFL was worth? missing his sister's wedding. Yes.

I think, yeah, because I think that Carson Steele is going to be the shortest-lived career ever that he actually will be able to have an athlete podcast. Because between the alligator, the hair, he's got the name of a porn star. Like, I feel like he's got a lot going for him. Yeah, it'll be interesting. Like, looking back on that Sunday, what will people remember first in that family? Is it like Carson Steele's best game of his career or his sister's nuptials? I don't know.

Well, the game check can probably pay for the way. It made it unique. It made it a unique experience. memorable. It made it all about you. Yeah, yeah. Which is great. That's what you want. Just take, yeah, exactly. Forget your sister's wedding.

Like everyone's watching you on Sunday at football. So Carson Steele, Sudika, you're taking cream hunt. Craig. Is that who you had number one? No, I had cream hunt number two. Maybe this is dumb. For right now, so Jonathan Taylor on the Colts sprained his ankle. It is a high ankle sprain, but now it's being characterized as a mild high ankle sprain,

which I think is kind of an oxymoron. high ankle sprains were the worst version of an ankle sprain, but I guess it's just literally wear on the ankle it sprains, and I guess it was a mild version of that. I don't know. Wait, so you thought a high ankle was a really bad ankle sprain? I thought a high, I thought when you sprain your ankle, when it is a high ankle sprain, those typically are worse for you than a low ankle sprain. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it's easier to bounce back from a low ankle sprain than a high ankle sprain, but it's a mild high ankle sprain. So again, it's like bad, but also not that bad. Lower upper middle tier.

ankle sprain. Or lower upper tier. Joe Mixen kind of in week two seemed to have suffered something similar. A mild high ankle sprain. He then missed two weeks. So I think I'm going to go with Trace Sermon. If Trace Sermon plays and JT is out, he's the only other running back on this team was a carry

this season. And the offensive line's been really good this year. Jonathan Taylor has sneaky, been great. He's the RB6 on the season. Playing the Jags. So, yeah, I don't know. I think if I was just going for one week or two, I think like Tray Sermon could get 20 carries. That's so interesting because I actually feel like I might go a third direction and I kind of like Tyler

L. Gere for the Falcons. He got more carries than Bijon Robinson and that's one of those things where it's like I don't even know if that will continue or anything but I mean if Tyler Liger is just straight up like co-leading a backfield with Bijon Robinson and you could like flex him if you want each week and then at top of it if Bijon Robbins gets hurt Tyler Ljir would be a top five top ten running back each week. This is coming off

you just saying you never wanted an Atlanta falcon ever again. I said I never wanted the draft one. He's fine on waivers. I think if anything, it proves the point because if you drafted Bejohn in the first round and then some person just adds Tyler Eljir, like you feel like an idiot.

So you know, if anything, so you would never draft Tyler Algeria, but you would pick him up on waivers. Yeah, let's go with that. Okay. I feel like Breast and Bejohn have the same problem, and it's that their backup is too good. They need to do the Brown saying,

get rid of their backups. Get them, get them to change teams somehow. We're also cutting Breelan Allen out of this exercise from the Jets just because I think he's rostered a little too many leagues. But he's right there too. I feel like we probably would take Bril and Allen ahead of these guys too, right? If he was there. And Bailen Allen's there.

And Jonathan Brooks, by the way, who has just started coming back from his, he's on the Pupp list, but it sounds like he's getting close finishing out. So I would say those guys are also included here, but we eliminated them because the roster ship is a little bit too high at this point. But keep them in mind if you're going through your way or something they're out there. Well, not keep them in mind. We're saying if they're there. use them first.

Yeah, yeah. The Alger stats are way better than Bejan. What's funny, like, Algeria's higher first down rate, yards per carry, yards after contact per carry, higher avoided tackle rate, more carries of 10 yards or more, despite having fewer carries. Like, I feel like this always happens where there's like a backup who just has way better stats than the starter and nobody knows what to do. I don't know what's happening there, but I'm going to let it happen on my bench.

That's kind of my attitude. On your bench, I'm adding these guys as though I'm starting. Yeah, same. Yeah, no, you can play him too But like here's the My question for DK I agree with Craig that like In terms of who might get the most carries this week

Trace Sermen if Jonathan Taylor is out But Tray Sermin, does he suck? I mean is Kareem Hunt good? I don't thought he looked pretty good He has a history of being good He's a little old That was seven years ago Craig, he's fresh, Craig, he's fresh

He has concepts of being good You know the last person to run for a thousand yards on this list was Tyler Alger Okay. You know he's never ran for 1,000 yards, Bajon Robinson. Just saying. The other thing I think that the note that we need to add here is Bjean Robinson got a shoulder injury during practice last week.

And so that could have been a part of the reason why he wasn't utilized as heavily as he was in weeks one and two. Or one through three, I should say. And so I don't know. Yeah. I think all these are solid choices with some upside and some downside. And I don't know. I still would go with Cream Hunt, Frank. I thought he looked good and he's

I think going to be the lead guy in this offense until Pacheco comes back but I see I see your guys his points we should sort out the high tea here I think that like the high tea is Tyler O'Gier is like a Brail and Allen in that they have the flex appeal of you can play them they like you know might get you double digit points here

touchdown it's probably not going to be incredible but if Breeze Hall goes down Braylin Allen's like a top 10 running back if Bejan Robinson goes down Tyler OJo is a top 10 running back so if you're kind of cruising you just want to add like the rich get richer that's a guy I think that I would target if you are to Craig's point, if you are, if you are one of those teams that you have Devante Smith

and Debo Samuel and Cooper Cup and Rahim Mosher and like, you're just like literally you're running out of people to play, then like, yeah, Trace Sermon, if they're out there. If you're Jonathan Taylor. If you have Jonathan Taylor, like, and you're like, I literally need to field a team. Like, Tray Sermon is like an absolute like plug in. If Jonathan Taylor misses this week, Tray Sermon, you can like plug and play most likely. And then to D.K.'s point, I think Kareem Hunt, I would take Kareem Hunt over Tray Sermin though because I think Kareem Hunt is probably.

just as much opportunity, probably as Trace Serban this week. But I think Kareem Hunt will probably has a better shot to hold onto the job for like a longer time frame. So I think that that, I think I basically, Carson St. St. Knight football. And then he fumbled again and they got immediately pulled. And I'm wondering if it's going to be Kareem Hunt back to like a weird time share of P. Ryan, Steele and Hunt or to D.K.'s point, if there, if Andy Reid's like,

yeah, I gave the rookie a second chance. He fumbled again. Like, I'm done. And if he pulls the plug, DK. is going to win this thing running away with Kareem Hunt. And I think that's the question. So I agree that if I'm going to regret one of these, I bet I regret not taking Kareem Hunt. I think it speaks to frankly,

I think this is a better week on waivers than the past couple weeks. I think this is like an important week on waivers. There's a lot of good players. Some weeks we disagree because there's bad people and we can't pick. I think this week, it's actually a very strong group.

Bad people. Yeah. There's even, I mean, I had, Kreme Hunt was number two on my list. So I agree. I think it's very close.

The three-headed backfield thing just scares me, you know, you never really know, read riding the hot hand. There's a couple other guys who I think are close, man. I think Justice Hill on the Ravens is like a very worthy potential ad. You know, he's second on the Ravens in receiving yards? Jeez.

That's crazy. With 161. When they're in like, if they're going to be in a shootout, they're playing the Bengals next week. Like I don't mind Justice Hill in situations like that. He had 18 points last night. He's seeing like six targets a game. So I like that. And then the other guy I wanted to mention was Rico Dowdell on Dallas is like starting to actually become maybe not the war.

but the 1A in this backfield. He was basically, you know, in terms of the amount of rushes on the team, he was getting started the season, getting like a third of the team's rushes. Now he's up to getting like two-thirds of the team's rushes. So Rico Dowdell is another guy. It doesn't have a lot of competition in Dallas. Deky, how do you feel about Doudal? Because it's weird because on one hand,

he's kind of the starting running back for the Cowboys. And should we be like way higher in him? Should we be taking him like right there with Braylin out ahead of all these guys? Or what should we be doing here? He was one of my guy. He was my guy last week, got into the end zone, which definitely helped me in the Kai's guys situation. I don't know what the final score is yet, but hopefully.

It should have been called back for a flag because of Jake Ferguson, but it's fine. They picked the flag up, but it's okay. Sure, that's never happened before. But yeah, I think he's looked solid. He has the most juice of all the running backs in that group. Right now they're rotating four guys. So that definitely hurts. They got the Lubke guy, Elliot, and now Vaughn.

Deuce Vaughn is even coming in and getting a few snaps. It's a funny group. It's, yeah, Zik, who's 55 years old, a fullback hunter Lipke. the most bizarre running back rotation I've ever seen in my life and I think the where I the reason I put him a little lower on this list is he has some pretty tough sledding ahead in terms of defenses

they're facing the next four at the Steelers against the Lions at the 49ers and then at the Falcons that's the next four for the Cowboys so I don't know it just could be tough sledding for him but yeah he is the I would say the only official starter on this list at least in

I guess you could say sermon is probably going to be the starter if Jonathan Taylor is out so there's that, but yeah, I don't know. I just think the combination of a four-person rotation plus the tough schedule going ahead. He wouldn't be like at the top of my list, priority-wise. Yeah, I agree. Not at the top of mine.

Just wanted to toss them out if you're in a deep league here. Also, Tank Bigsby for the Jags. Yeah, so, yeah, ETN, again, do the Jags just hate Travis ETN? I think he's banged up. Yeah, he had a shoulder injury earlier in the game. It looked like he had been benched. There was like a 15-minute period there where people were like,

did he get benched? He's just standing on the sideline without his helmet And no one knows what happened. But it came back that he had injured his shoulder early in the game. And so they were just riding Bigsby for a little bit of the first quarter. And then as the game went on, ETN came back and dominated touches. Bigsby's not getting any of the receiving work, which definitely puts a cap on his upside and fantasy. But if ETN gets hurt, then that could change dramatically.

And I think he's looked really good. He's actually looked at, I thought, looked better than ETN running the ball so far. Yeah, it's kind of another one of those situations with the backup. you know, Bigsby has out rushed ETIN in every game he's played on the same or less carries. Just a bunch of guys you're not supposed to worry about. Yeah, 100%.

Seriously. Everywhere. Speaking of which, Roshan Johnson, I know D' Andre Swift did a huge week, but also if you're in a deeper league, in a deeper league where some of these guys are probably like super rostered

and you're like, why you're talking about Rico Dattles would add? Because I'm sure there are leagues d'Adle's been added the whole year. I would say Roshan Johnson, because he took Khalil Herbert's role. I know DeAndreau Smith did a big role, but like Russia Johnson just like...

Yeah, he turned it into a two-person rotation, which is great. It's Swift and Roshan right now. I think Herbert didn't even really play in this last game. Yeah. So there's more value there. And then also stashes. And shout out Nate Junkie at Pro Football Focus,

in particular great stuff. But Tyrone Tracy for the Giants, I think he will have this role at some point. And that's more of a stash. But if you're in a deeper league, like 14 teams, Tyrone Tracy is a guy who I think will be playing and within a few weeks.

You know, I think eventually it'll be a starter probably. I don't know. We'll see. He should make sure he gets number 26 from Devin Singletary. Yeah. Yeah. That should be the rule.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we can just do little trivia. No trivia. Well, no, we'll do trivia, but it's not for fun. Just kind of takes the ear out of it. All right.

Yeah. We're still doing season long. The dinner trivia, right? Yeah. Loser pays for dinner. Yep. Is that what we said? I think so.

Kai chooses a restaurant. Oh, and Kai orders for us. Kai orders for the table. Yeah. Oh, my God. That would actually be hilarious. I could kill us. It might die.

We're in in Los Angeles the last week of October. Should we do like a mid-season award? That's good. Yeah, we can do that. We don't even know where it's, oh my God, Kai is going to get us killed. Okay. All right, so trivia. All right, so this is just trivia for the love of the game.

Do we even do the showdown time? Yeah, we should do showdown time. I don't know. I guess there's no, there's no. For fun. Showdown time. This is the no player, but we're just having fun. Showdown time.

We haven't talked to Kai about restaurants. We don't know what Kai. favorite restaurant is. We know what he gets at Chipotle, which is just chicken and rice. But we haven't really talked about what his favorite restaurants are. I'd be curious. We could do that later. All right. This question is from Jake. Are we finally done with the war trivia? We kind of, D.K. got scratched that itch. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that was fine. Thanks. Thanks for that, everyone. Real trivia. Now let's back to the bullshit fake trivia.

According to the Wikipedia page, how many different flavors of Oreos are there? Oh, interesting. right now or that have ever been created? I think ever. According to the Wikipedia page. I think ever. Ever. Okay. Oreos have been around for like 100 years, right?

Yeah. But I'm sure they weren't creating flavors until. All right. All right. Three, two, one. 47. Okay, I said 40. Craig, would you say?

Seventy-seven. It's 127. Damn it. Let's go. I feel dumb. I'm on this Wikipedia. page now. They have candy corn Oreos, candy cane, birthday cake,

berry burst, chocolate, triple double Neapolite. I feel so dumb for saying 50. Prime berry cream, ice cream, rainbow sherbert. Actually, ice cream rainbow sure, comma, Burt. Which, is that like a Muppets thing? I don't know. I feel dumb for saying 50. It's little freaks. Wide receivers. I think it's a huge week at

wide receiver. One, just the biweeks. Amon wrestling, Brown, Calvin Ridley, A.J. Brown, DeVonti Smith, and of course Josh Palmer. And then all the injuries at receiver, which, frankly, too many to name. Rishi Rice obviously went down. And then Christian Watson's carded off. So, D.K., who's your number one receiver entering week five?

Tontavian Wicks for the Packers, who had five catches, 78 yards, two touchdowns, 200 air yards this last week, which was most among all receivers. He was getting a lot of looks downfield. Jordan Love clearly trusts him. Despite the fact, I think he had two pretty bad drops, still kept going back to him, scored two touchdowns. So with Christian Watson out, I don't know how long. Matt LaFleur said at least a week, I'm guessing based on how the injury looked and the fact that it was a high ankle sprained and he had to get carted away.

And it feels like this is going to be a multi-week injury. And I think in the meantime, Don Tavian Wix is a must start during that time. So I'm going with Wix. Correct. I also went with Wix. He was the guy fighting for snaps with Watson. They were the ones like kind of splitting time. They were rotating.

They were rotating. Watson went down, Wix kind of took over that role full time. I got to say, I'm like the fantasy Grim Reaper, Rishie Rice, Cooper Cup, Christian Watson. And if I were Josh Palmer, I'd sleep with one eye open because he's next. All these guys are dropping like flies that I like. Yeah, no, it's, I mean, never forget the time you plug Kim Acres passionately. It's like your favorite fantasy pick of all time, but he got hurt as Achilles before the episode was done recording. The, yeah, I had Wix's by number one, too.

For everything you guys said, plus they play the Rams and the Cardinals the next two weeks. And those defenses, I'm highly suspect. And then also his name's fucking Dantavian Wicks. Great name. He's pretty, he's kind of a chaotic player. Like when you watch him, he's like so like an athletic. Yeah. But he's kind of chaotic everything.

Just chaotic. Even his, even like his touchdown was like buggled. Like he does seem like he's a little messy out there, but he's so like athletic and explosive. He plays like he will one day be an elite receiver. Like he has the chaos of someone who thinks he's better than at all times. he's like cadarius Tony but functions at a higher rate

kind of yeah yeah all right yeah also I I really like Wix as an ad I also am not stressed about losing this trivia I don't about you guys I think that this might be the strongest there's some good ones three or four receiver ads in a given week I have felt in like a like a year or two I agree in terms of season long quality for these players or like at least the next month I think there's like three guys who are kind of easy number ones off an usual waiver week and then like three more

that are pretty solid. Yeah, like, if this was a draft, you'd be like, oh, each of the five picks would have gone first last year. That's how I feel about the receivers right now. Okay, so not that many stakes. All right.

Well, we don't know that. I will say, Dantavian Wicks is the only guy with like a very good quarterback. So that is, that is, and again, the schedule is crazy. Yeah, and Watson's probably out

the next two weeks. So, all right, it is the Dantavion Wix showdown time. This is from Justin. Justin, what do you got? How many known moons does Jupiter have? Justin Known moons

Now it's the time I start wondering What is the definition of a moon? All right, I was wondering this too Because then people, all those headlines that were like Earth will get a second moon for two months this year And I'm like, will it? Will it really? It's not that compelling.

I'm not very compelled, Jay. Like, it's a moon? Is a moon just like a rock structure That's been caught in a planet's orbit and stays there for a certain amount of time? Let me check. Earth's mini moon is... Oh, my God, this is yesterday. Okay, so Earth's mini moon is arriving today.

What to know about our temporary second... It's arriving today. Mini moon, like it's like having a wedding. It's very small, right? Yeah, it's like a mini moon. Like, oh, yeah, we're going to Italy, but it's not our honeymoon. It's a mini moon.

Scientists call it such a phenomenon. Mini moons. The asteroid... It's the size of a bus. Oh, wow. Got a dog. Wait, a bus? We're calling a bus?

A moon? I believe... Double check me. I think it's the size of like one and a half buses. And I was like, it's not a moon. It's ridiculous. It doesn't qualify as a moon. I guess that's a mini moon.

They called it a mini moon. Okay, so for our purposes, is the definition really going to change your answer? It's a temporary captured flyby. Don't expect to see the mini moon, so we won't see it. Quite damn, won't be visible even if you have a telescope. Okay. I kind of wish they had to me, they could have kept this one of themselves.

Yeah. Could have been an email. We know too much about each other. Yeah. It's a... Wait, get out of here. It's about... Yes, it's about 10 yards.

It's a first down. Ten yards? Yeah. Like, Gene's Territour would have to measure this thing. Like, that's ridiculous. That's not a moon. All right. So, back to this.

Jupiter's moons. How many moons does Jupiter have? Well, now I... Now that that's small. Let's just pull trig. Let's just do it. Okay. Three, two, one.

$500. $500. I go way too low. time. What'd you say? I said 55. I said I'm going against, I'm due, I, Kostanzad did because I'm like, I think that they're probably only the big moons is what they're counting in this

trivia question, but I'm probably wrong. What did you say? I said 200, but if you're right, they're probably not counting all the buses. But Craig said 500? So I was way, I'm way low. I was going to say 50. And then I changed the 200 at the last second. What'd you say, Craig? 500. The answer is

195. You guys got screwed because I was going to say 50. So wait, Craig got it? Craig was 200? I'm last. No, I said 200. Oh, okay. So then I'm second.

Okay. Okay, so I get Wix. Damn. I wanted Wix. No, wait. Craig said 500. I got last. Yeah, so D.K., you get the next pick.

I know, but I wanted Wix. Do you want him? I honestly, I didn't even care of that much. I'll take someone else. DK. Take him. He's willing to trade. Yes. I want, Dante.

I sure. You get a Wix. It's fine. All right. So who do you got next? This is weird, but I'm going to run away. I kind of was being polite. We can talk trades later.

It's like, it's on Reddit. It's like, Eagles, you just want them back? Yeah. Take whoever you want, D.K. This is a real quick aside. Bishon Robinson on the injury report with a hamstring. So Al Jir maybe has a little bit more value. You guys would both go Al Jare now, right?

Yeah. I don't know. I still think, D.K., like, you're right. Like, being realistic, we'll look back and be like, Bijon's probably fine and Klarim Hunt is probably, have a job for the whole year for the Kansas City Chiefs. But man, Bajon having a hamstring. I feel like you have, like, what if he makes it worse at any point in the next month?

No, I would go, if Bijon's hurt, I'm taking Alger. We have time to figure out the extent of this injury. Because now. Just take it. That's one bit of information you have now. My now doubled down argument for Algear is that we are literally just at any point in the next five weeks now that he's had a hamstring injury, Bajon Robinson. All he needs to do is pull up one time on a run.

And then you're like, I would kill to have Tyler O'Jill next one. Like I would kill. And so are we like I won the running back trivia. Can I now go back and take Tyler out here now that we have new information? No, I think it's in set in stone. What? Yeah. If it later benefits me to do that, then I'll change my mind.

That's horseshit. Are you going to take him? I would take out. Yeah, now that Bejohn's got a handy, I don't like that. Timings everything. All right. Well, let me get back to the receivers here. So, man, there's two guys I think I like the most in this group.

So I'm going with, this is a caveat. If you're in half PPR or PPR only, this is a player of choosing Wondale Robinson for the Giants. He has a 28% target rate this season, which is eighth highest in the NFL among all receivers. He's got the fourth most targets in the NFL. He has 38 targets. He's fourth. Right. However, he's 137th in air yards per target.

You know, you know why? Because let me tell you why. Every single Giants play is Daniel Jones looks to throw to Malik neighbor. And on third down, they double Malik neighbors. And so he checks down to Wondale Robinson every time. Five of his catches this week were third downs that he did not get the first down. Five different drives ended with Wondell Robinson being tackled a yard short. The living embodiment of a PPR scam.

Yeah, it's participation trophy. But I actually think in a full PPR league, you could argue Wondell should be over Wix in a way. I probably would still love Wicks. But Wondale, it, yeah, it's, this is like a, this is a Pons. scheme. It's like what the Saints did with Camara last year is like what the Giants are doing with Wondale this year. I mean, he was running back in college for a while. Like he's

actually an extension of the run game for the Giants. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. You know why? Where he got all these yards? Like flags. The Giants get backed up. Second and 18. They're like, all right. So the Cowboys back up. Second 18. Wondale gets eight yards. Second and 14, he gets six yards. Third and 14, he gets 11. Third and eight, he gets seven. Got to figure out a way to make money off of this

incompetence. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, PPR Wondhills. Also, the one thing that is really potentially helpful for him is that, I say that with concern for Malik neighbors, who is probably going to miss week five with concussion, most of the time, there is a chance since he ever suffered a concussion on Thursday that he gets back the next week, but I would say most of the time, based on how the way concussion protocol has gone over the last year or two, generally speaking, these guys miss at least one game after getting a concussion.

where are you used to have it's? We didn't talk about this because it was Thursday at football and we'd recorded earlier in the day, but I think he was knocked out on that play where he tried to catch it on the side by. Look, he was not unconscious. Landed on his head pretty hard. Yeah. He laid it on his face, like trying to do a toe tap catch. And then a teammate shouted

across the locker while reporters are in there, are you okay, Leak? And he was like, no. Yeah. So, yeah, well, he probably, I feel like he might not play this week. So he, so Malik Neighbors, who has like a 40-something percent target rate, maybe out this next week, which I think obviously is going to, Wondale is going to be a bigger part of the focus on the passing game.

So yeah, this just, especially this week, Wondale, I think is a good choice. Daniel Jones completed 29 passes on Thursday in football. 23 of the 29 were to Malik Neighbors and Wondell Robinson. Yeah, so. It's a pass it to the Italians offense light. Oh, Middle Lake Neighbors is incredible. By the way, I know that we're talking about Wondell here, but Malik Neighbors is already like a top six receiver in the NFL.

It's insane. And in case anyone has no idea what we're talking about. It's the kicking and screaming when Will Ferrell's like, pass it to the Italians. It's mad when the kids like don't just give it to the best players. So we joked about that with Tyrie Kill and Jalen Waddle and Jalen Waddle and Waddle and Waddle, Waddle and the Dolphins just give it to the Italians. I don't know if the Giants, it's more like the whole Europe. Yeah, Malik Nabors is an Italian.

I don't know. European Union. Okay. So you take Wondale Craig. There's a lot of other receivers. There's two other guys I really like. I'm curious you take. Yeah.

I really like, honestly, I'm between Josh Downs on the Colts, who if Flacco plays, it's kind of like the rising tide of Flacco lifts all boats for wide receivers on this team. Josh Downs look good. He had eight yards, 82 catches touchdown last week.

The other guy I'm kind of considering more of a long-term play is Xavier Leggett, the rookie on Carolina. I almost went with him. Yeah, man. He had 66 yards in a touchdown last week. Adam Thielen is on IR.

And Legate's starting opposite Deonté Johnson. Jonathan Mingo, their second year wide receiver is their number three guy. I don't know. The Andy Dalton thing, like it looks like a viable situation now. actually wanted to talk to you, D.K., the draft expert, about Leggett and what you think his

ceiling is now that you've seen him a little bit, you know what offense he's in, what you think about Leggett? So he is the classic, really explosive, really big physical strong guy who's kind of raw. And I think his route running is still a work in progress. And I think that's a concern. But at the same time, the Panthers have, they said this during the preseason and they've affirmed it while playing, that they're going to scheme him up looks. They're going to get him the football. They're going to find ways to work around some of his, you know, constraints as a route runner and basically just try to feed him the football and let his

athleticism take over, which is exactly what you hope for from a coach. So I don't know, maybe there's a little bit of a Rishi Rice style to him where it's like crossers, get him in space. You're not asking him to win one-on-one against press coverage, like move him around the formation, that kind of thing where his athleticism can take over because he's really big, really, really explosive. And they just need a guy like that because Deonti Johnson is going to be there,

get open, you know, create first down type of player, but then they need someone else that's going to be like explosive and, you know, hopefully create some explosive place for them. So yeah, I think he said his his name is pronounced Leggett. I'd have to look into that. Xavier.

So he has the, he's the one with the absolute craziest Carolina accent of all the time. Like the most North Carolina or South Carolina accent ever. Like borderline unintelligible. I usually don't know what he's paying. It's, yeah, and he did the horse celebration this week, but like, I think it just has a horse named Dalla Bill. And yeah, so he's incredible.

I agree. So he's A.J. Brown's size. Like, he's 6.1, 2.30. And again, we talk about Wondell. It's the same situation where the Panthers stood at Deonti Johnson as much as the Giants throw to neighbors. The difference is when the Giants check down to Wondale Robinson. He's 58, like what, 180?

Right. Yeah. Xavier Ligette is 6-1, 230. And to your point, I also, every year there's like one receiver that you, you know, you believe in and you're a little afraid you'd be wrong or vice versa. I didn't really believe in him, to be honest, Xavier Ligette.

And I've watched the first month and I'm like, I actually think he's going to be really good because he had this, first of all, to your point, D.K., he actually is running some of these routes now. And I was surprised that, like, I mean, he's running digs. He's running out like for first, first downs on third and seven or whatever. Like, Dalton's throwing him the ball. And then I, he also, he had this really weird,

non-traditional profile where he had 400 yards in the first four years. college and then 1,300 in year five. And you're like, usually those guys are like, oh, you needed five years in college to do well. And you're like, oh, well, that usually doesn't go well. But, you know, he was just, it was a crazy situation. Senior year high school, they switched him to quarterback because they just needed him for the team. He ran for 1,800 yards, but that he didn't play receiver.

And then he didn't play receiver that year. And then he goes to college and they gray shirt him because he hadn't played receiver the year before. And then the next year is COVID. And then the next year, they changed the coach. And so it was just like, it was, it's not any excuses. It was just like, there's always crazy stuff going on. And then like, all right, it gets like one and a half full years and then, all right,

1300 yards. So I agree. I think if there was one guy in this list where I'm like he would be for like, incredible for the rest of the season, you're like, oh, that's a breakout rookie. I actually think Xavier Legate could be the guy for this week. If you told me Joe Flacco was playing and I had to pick one player to have the most points this week, I would pick Josh Downs.

Yeah. And if Joe Flacco was not playing, I think Richardson actually improves, but I would probably go Dante even Wix or Wando. I will say the only caveat will give the Wix is that he got the most air yards because the Packers were down 28 to nothing. And they threw the entire second half. Every game.

And so, yeah, that's the thing. But I think these four receivers, Dante even Wicks, Wandsdale Robinson, Josh Downs, and Xavier Leggett, are as strong a top four we've had in like a year or two of doing the last time. I know. I was really torn.

I almost went with Liget. I think there's actually also a few more guys that we haven't mentioned yet. A tutu Atwell and Jordan Whittingham for the Rams. I'm sorry, Whittington. I'm like turning him into like a... Whittingham sounds like a British soccer captain. Yeah, it was like the aristocratic British... guy. What didn't him?

I think both of those guys have come on strong and sort of separated themselves from the rest of the pack in LA. Craig, what were you going to say? Well, I got to decide who I pick between Downs and what I would get. Can I have a contingency set up where if Joe Flacco plays, I get downs?

I got to decide right now. I think you could get that if it was by end of day, Tuesday when waivers go through. I should have just come with no. We're not going to find out. It's no. It's a no for me. dog. I agree. Season long, it's Liggett. Next week,

it's Downs. I'll take downs. I'll take downs. He's really good. My issue, you guys have been higher on Josh Downs than me. And my issue was he had a high ankle sprain and he's 5 foot 8. It was a mild high angle. I actually think it was not a mild. Do you think it's contagious on the cults? Yeah, probably. He gave it to Jonathan Taylor.

Yeah. Like they weren't social distancing with the mild, the high ankle sprains. Yeah, probably. Also, throughout this whole process, by the way, you can put waivers in on more than one person in real life. So get both of them. Why not? But you're number one.

Like someone has, I know. That's why we do it. So, okay. I think, yeah, anyone else. Yeah, two, two at well, who I think is a tier below these guys,

but he's also perfectly fine. Yeah, agreed. Trey Tucker on the Raiders, put together two back-to-back, solid weeks. He's kind of a smaller guy, like a Wondale-sized dude, but he's been really good.

Devonte Adams is injured. Yep, hamstring. That's a huge factor here. And he may be traded at some point. I don't know. So, Tray Tucker could end up being more valuable than you think. Jacoby Myers, too, if he's out there, I think is a pickup. One note on Trey Tucker, I remember, so I went to the Senior Bowl the year, and

Trey Tucker and Jane Reed were two guys that really stood out to me at the Senior Bowl. Trey Tucker has really flown under the radar the first, I guess, year of his career. He was rookie last year, but he flashes to me. I don't know. And they talked him up a ton over the offseason. Antonio Pierce was asked which players have leveled up the most this offseason. It was like, he was at the end of training camp. Yeah. And they asked like players, plural. And Antonio Piers was like, Trey Tucker. So I don't know, there might be something here. You know, he's a smaller player and maybe not going to be heavily utilized once

Devante gets back. He's fast, though. Yeah. And he's, you know, he's added the Ambonath game too. So, yeah, I think that, yeah, there's a lot of really good options here. I would also say the two Jets ride receivers that aren't Garrett Wilson, Alan Lazzard has three touchdowns in four games, and he is still out there in a lot of leagues. He is like the clear number two guy.

He had eight targets last week. And then also Mike Williams, they're starting to ramp him up, which is exactly what Salas said they would do. And he's playing more every week. he had 67 yards this week. Like, it is Mike Williams. If this offense starts to catch fire a little bit, like I could see at the end of the year,

Mike Williams is like a guy who should be starting on your fantasy team. So if you can like stash him, I do think that's like a worthy ad. I also want to talk about briefly that, you know, Bill has been pining for Drake May to start in week five. A lot of people have been talking about Drake May coming in in week five. Jalen Polk, the rookie out of Washington on New England, he seems like he's also kind of like ramping up to be the number one in this offense

and if Drake May comes in it could be a totally different situation. Might be messy for a while. But second half of the season, if you're a really good team right now and you have a bunch of receivers that you're comfortable with and you just want to stash somebody, Jalen Polk, I think, could be a guy. Yeah. You can get it on the ground floor of right now. This is either really good or bad, but I've agreed with everything every one of you has said, every word both of you have said.

How's this one, High Fitz? Juju Smith-Schuster. Oh! How does that make you feel? We should talk about what the chiefs do replacing it. Peter Schrager tweeted today, guys that he thinks Brett Veet should call to trade for this season. Like trades.

He did mention a giant. He mentioned Jalen Hyatt, not Dary's Slayton. Hyatt wants to trade, but they should ask about Slate. They'll send him Hyatt. Yeah. Shreger tweeted out. Hyatt's playing like 15% of the SNAP so far, I feel like. I don't know if it was good last year.

Do you think it's because Hyatt can't run routes or because Daniel Jones can't reach Hyatt on any of the deep throws or both? Yes. By the way, what is the deal with that? Dale Jones keeps short-arming deep passes. I think it's like the alternative to not being a physical problem is suggesting that he's so mentally broken, he can't throw. I feel like it has to be just like he tore his ACL and had a neck injury and whatever

company. I don't know if it's 80, 20, 20-80 in whatever direction. But like, I just, I think it has to be physical limitation because every time. I mean, the Giants should have beat the Cowboys on Thursday. No, he had a guy a couple times deep. He left 12 points in the board. There were three field goals they had. They should have been three touchdowns.

I'm talking like multiple steps, easy plays, no pressure, and like he just couldn't do it. So, yeah, I, I, yeah, Jalen Hyatt. But yeah, sorry, you were saying, Craig. Yeah, yeah. So Shreger tweeted out, Amari Cooper, Jalen Hyatt, Cooper Cup, which would blow my mind. And then Keenan Allen. I can't see any scenario in which the Rams are giving Cooper cup to the fucking Chiefs. Also, why would the Chiefs trade for an injured receiver?

Right. Amari Cooper, though, it's like, Devont-Adams not going to happen. They're not going to go interdivision, but Amari Cooper, it's like, should you trade for Amari Cooper just for the possibility? of him getting traded to the Chiefs. Well, he can't complain this week, though, because he, Deshawn Watson put a ball in the numbers into Mark Cooper's chest,

and he bounced that up for center field and then it was pick six and lost the game because of the play. It was a borderline Mark Andrews play. Yeah. It was a Cadar as Tony play. They lost because he didn't catch that ball. I'm going to make it my job to, like, figure out which receiver is going to get traded to the Chiefs

and then trade for them a week before that. So much of this is like fantasy, where it's kind of like people who know each other and I have done deals in the past, it's easier to get deals done. And the Giants did the Tony trade. I really think the Chiefs call the Giants. And if it's Jalen Hyatt, it's Hyatt,

but I really think it's, I think it's Darius Slate. Maybe they don't want that. I think the Chiefs probably want to, I will say this. The Chief should start with a multi-year contract guy. Slaten's in the last year of his deal. But the problem is Marquis Brown

is on a one-year deal. So he's kind of cooked. And then you also, you have Rishi Rice is also, is he in the last year of his contract? No, two years last year of his contract? No, two years. He was a rookie last year.

He was the first rounder, wasn't he? Second rounder? He's got two years. But he's going to be suspended to start next season. So probably for like potentially a third of years. He probably wouldn't play anyway, to be honest, because if he tore or his ACL, but yeah.

That's true. But like six game suspension maybe for Rice, like the Chiefs probably need not just to solve for this season. Like if they could get someone who's under contract for next year too, that would be nice. Do you think of Hyatt or Slayton goes there high fits that either of them will be like a legitimate fantasy player this year? Slayton.

I think Slateon's good. I think Slateen, again, the Giants try to cut Darius Slate. He's a fifth round pick from Auburn at Dave Gettleman. The Giants tried to cut Darius Slate in four years in row, and he led the Giants in receiving each of the four years. I know, he's good at Brown. He'd be, he's, I really do think he'll go just because, I mean, obviously, it's weird to pick one player and say he'll go to the Chiefs, like, it's random.

But I think if he did that, Slaten's just really good, and Daniel Jones kind of sucks, but, you know, Mahomes doesn't. For what it's worth, Adam Schifter apparently highlighted Amari Cooper as a potential trade target for the chiefs. Makes sense because the Browns probably need to get from any money. Yeah, we'll see. And if the Browns continue to lose, they might just cut bait. Tight ends. DK. It's a wasteland

out there. He's your number one tight end entering week five. Damn. This one's also pretty tough between three different guys. I think I'm going to go with shoot. I'm going to go with Tateham Hill, I guess, even though he's hurt. It's really weird. Yeah. This is a decision that comes down to do you need a guy to play in week five?

Because like if you have Trey McBride and he misses another week, if you have Mark Andrews and he's just obviously not worth playing anymore, it depends on what you need. For the rest of the season, I would rank Taysam Hill the highest. We saw exactly why that was last week. He had six rushes, 24 yards, two touchdowns. He is their red zone guy.

Like they bring him in when they need a bucket in the red zone and on short yardage and things like that. They're utilizing them all over the formation. they seem to really love him. Unfortunately, he keeps getting hurt. Like, yeah, a 34-year-old guy who runs really, really hard into guys. I guess that makes sense, but.

Upside is, yeah, he had a touchdown rushing as a goal-line quarterback and one as a goal-line running back, but the downside is, does he have a punctured lung and a separate abdomen injury? Yeah, he has a rib injury and a lung's injury. Yeah, I don't know. But yeah, dude, last week he lined up twice at quarterback, three times at running back,

three times at full-back, once at tight end, five times in the slot and once out wide. Yeah, it's like if Kyle you check your throat, that's basically how they treat this. I have him too, and again, it's weird, giant asterisk that like you could add him and he could be great and he could not play this week. So I don't know, it's a little weird. Craig, is that who you have? I do too, but we should,

we'll do trivia and then I guess the winner gets him and does he get a backup? If he doesn't play, I don't know. If he doesn't play, well, it's the risk of taking it. We all decide. He dies, he dies. Basically, we're recording this Monday at 451 Eastern, and if you are listening to this, you have the benefit of a little more time. So hopefully by Tuesday when you put in waivers by Tuesday night, you have more information.

Obviously, if you need a tight end this week and Tasingville's not going to play, that's not good. It'd be good. So the next guy, I think we don't. Is it Tucker Kraft? Is it all of us Packers, Tucker Kraft? Okay. Yeah, we talked about him last week. We can just do that now. Tucker Kraft is like, he starts for the Packers and the Packers are good offense and he's the only guy left on waivers where you're like, that guy might fix your team. It's like, you know what I mean? He's good. He passes the I eye test. He just looks good out there. It's a great touchdown. Yeah. It's a low bar. So Tastonel Tucker Craft if you're worried about the So let's do the trivia then.

This is the official sign that the fantasy season is back is because it is the Taysom Hill Showdown time. Love the gong. Do you guys want one about tight ends or one about rice? Like the food or the college? Yeah. The food.

I couldn't pick between rice and tight ends. Dude, I want their food. Okay, rice. That's more funny. This one's from Big Georgie. Big Georgie. Big Georgie. What is the average number of grains of rice

in a standard one pound bag of low-bri rice this is like in middle school and it was like how many M&Ms are in the jar yeah

I was terrible at that game also I like this one because it's like you kind of see rice all the time you know it's not like gimmicky

oh my gosh okay pull trick I'm trying to visualize a spoon I know me too I'm counting like an idiot

I'm counting the grains of my like a moron so like one two, three, three, let's just, just say what's in

your heart. Ready? Three, two, one. Two thousand. Oh, two thousand. Craig said two thousand. I said four thousand.

I said five thousand. Damn it. The answer is 29,000. Oh. Way low. Okay. Because I was thinking about

like a cup of rice. I'm like there's got to be a couple hundred in there. But then I had no idea how many cups. Apparently it's a thousand. Yeah. That makes sense. None of things about it. Yeah.

All right. So I get taste some hell. and I probably lose because if he doesn't play then Craig gets Tucker Kraft so DK you're screwed No no no I'm second DK got second oh you get Tucker craft which is probably better than Tase of Mill

because Tacey Mills is Bruce Long and we all took him first like morons So Craig I think I don't think Craig screwed here Because I think there's one other good option Yeah What do you think? Good is a relative term Well anything is relative at tight end

Makes you not actively depressed When you look at this Who you're playing Just ignore the name And look at the Look at the underlying utilization. Are you going to say Kate Otton? Yes.

We do this every year. Kate Otten, it's like... Hey, well, look at what's happening with Mark Andrews. Look at what's happening with fucking everyone. All right. This is the world we're living in. He's like in the bunker and he's like, yeah. He's like, you complain how an MRI tastes, Craig?

Yeah. We got to eat. Yeah, for those of you... Just add water. Kate Otton is a tight end on the box. Craig is just like... Sure. Yeah, yeah.

It's like trying to give Calvin anything other. than toast and spaghetti. He's a sad but respectable six to eight fantasy points a game. Now he has 17 targets over the last two weeks. He has 17 targets over the last two weeks. I guess you can't scoff at that.

They're playing the Falcons. You just literally scoffed at it. You're right. I did. The other people I was debating was Tyler Conklin is like, he didn't have a good fantasy game, but you know.

It was raining. You close your eyes. You throw it out. You just do it. Airman is a Tynfts. A snaps league. But they're playing Minnesota. But they're playing Minnesota.

I mean, if you were going to do most snaps, Tyler Conklin ran the most routes in the NFL for tight ends. I think Conklin is fine because, again, it was raining. It was a weird game. And the Brock's defense is legit, which terrifies me. The Broncos defense is also good.

It was rating. And I'm just kind of like, yeah. I know, but he had a shitty game. So I'm like, is he going to have another shitty game against the Vikings defense? Yeah. Well, you know what? That's, that's, yeah, probably. He's a tight end.

It'll probably be a shitty game. It's like Vince Vaughn It's like if you have no expectations You'll never be disappointed I'm gonna go with I don't want to do Kate Otton I don't I'm gonna go with Tyler Conchrist God damn it

I just don't want to Calvin It's like yeah I'm having faith To try and I can't do it It's like yeah it's like you're in the high chair It just throws Kate Oaten Yeah okay So wait sorry who did you go with Tyler Conklin

Yeah okay All right there's the state of tight end Quarterbacks I mean it's still Justin Fields If he's there like he obviously 35 points like we've been saying it. Like,

Justin Fields if he's available, you know, otherwise, you know, darn old if he's available. I feel like it's weird sometimes with the quarterbacks where I would say now it's the point where the good ones aren't so available.

And now it's a little more faith of like, well, Trevor Lawrence bounce back. Will you feel silly if you put any adult in your lineup or not? I don't think there's anyone, frankly, that stands out as like, oh,

that person's a huge value at quarterback right now. It's kind of like you can plug and play. And frankly, the team's on by this week, I don't think are huge. Like, you know, we're talking about like what?

Lions, chargers, Titans. I don't think there's hopefully not a huge demanded quarterback for this week. But honestly, flack will plays you could do worse,

which is crazy to say. So back. Yeah, honestly, he'll probably outscore Richardson. So, all right, defenses. The Vikings somehow are under 50% on ESPN. The Vikings defense is really good and creates chaos. So I would get the Vikings

that they're out there if they're not. The Denver Broncos defense is legit. It really is. I think the, like, Pat Certain is obviously one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, but it's not just him. I mean, if you just kind of, the Broncos defensive lines playing really well right now. They have, you know, they have Nick Benito, who's been fantastic. Zach Allen's kind of rejuvenated, but like, you know, they actually, PFF has this thing now called chip rate.

And long story short, it's actually low key maybe one of, one of the better metrics that's out there right now is actually chip rate, the idea of how much that there's a tackle blocking them and are you being chipped by a running back? Yeah, how often they get chipped? And shout out to Mike Sanford, who does great stuff in the, in the, the Broncos area. And Chip Raid's an incredible stat because it's kind of a mix of what's happening now. It's kind of like respect going into a game with actually how you're performing during

the game. And so anyway, the Broncos defense is legit. Their pass rushes are really legit. It's like TGWatt and two of the five guys and Chip Raider, the Broncos pass rushes. So I would add the Broncos defense. They're available everywhere. And if they're out there, Seahawks, a lot of people drop the Seahawks because they're playing the Lions.

And it's Monday, the game hasn't happened yet. Maybe I look like an idiot. And the Seahawks defense is terrible. But they're playing a lot of injuries right now for the right. right now, but they're playing the Giants next week. So if the Vikings and the Broncos aren't there, I bet the Seahawks probably are. So those are the three defenses I'd go with.

All right. Kyle, let's get in here real quick. Will you just quickly recap for us what happened last week? Of course. And I can confirm the trivia stuff too. Craig has five, still has the lead there. High fits gets a little bit closer with four, winning two today, and then DK's at three.

So still tight, tight race. Close. All right. Last week, I got crushed, unfortunately. pick the siren song that is Quentin Johnson, go frogs. He'll bounce back. We forgot to give you some food items to try for this week. So we're going to find something.

And we're going to have you try it next week. So who won? Yeah, last week with the players. Craighead, Braylon Allen, Quinn Johnson, Conklin, for 10.6 total points. Ah. DK came in second with Rico Dattle, Joan Jennings, and Cole come out with 27.8 points. And then Hyphids came in first with Bucky Irving, Romeo. Dobbs and Tucker Kraft.

Tuck. Craft did it. We're going to have you eat Kraft mac and cheese, just just an honor of that team. Just once a year. See how I'm feeling about it. Yeah. You'll just raw dog a craft single this time.

That's actually really good. That might be like my one veto. I don't think I would want to even do that. But like, Kai, I know you don't like cheese, but it's legally not cheese. Yeah. It's a cheese product. It's true. I think that makes it worse.

That's like kind of the perfect one. I can't get behind. I can't force him to do that. No. All right. We'll noodle on this. All right. So who you take in this week?

I think this week, to recap the teams, Hyphinez, Tyler Algier, Dantavian Wicks, and Taysam Hill. Real great week for names. Here, Kreme Hunt for D.K., Wandoe Robinson, and Tucker Kraft. And then Craig has two Colts, Trace Serm and Josh Downs,

and then a jet, Tyler Conklin. I'm going to go with D.K. One, because I think he has the best team. And two, because I picked High Fitz and Craig and was led astray. So, D.K., we're back. This is the week. Love it. Feel good about this.

Kai. What's up? What are your top three favorite restaurants? Who. Okay. So are we, do fast food restaurants count? Let's say you can add one fast food restaurant. What's your favorite fast food restaurant?

Waterburger for sure. Oh. I've never had that. Good taste. You've never had a D.K.? You got to try it. What's your order? Oh, man.

a few go-toes. They're a little bit unique, you might say. I'll get a number one, which is just their water burger, but I'll get plain and dry. Plain and dry. Is that how you say it to the... You don't even get the spicy ketchup. I spell it all the way out because they'll get it wrong.

That's the one thing about water burger is they get it wrong all the time. And so I just go, number one, plain and dry, add bacon, no cheese. That's it. It's two buns. And in the middle of it is just beef and bacon. Yeah, that's correct. I love that. They also have a sandwich called a honey barbecue chicken strip sandwich.

And I'll go for that. Chicken strip sandwich. And it has cheese on it, so no cheese, obviously. And the hack for anyone in Texas or wants to try at Waterburgers, you can sub the honey barbecue for their honey butter, which you can only get on their honey butter chicken biscuit during specific hours. Oh, the honey butter is incredible. Honey butter is outrageous.

So yeah, you get that, you sub it for honey butter. It's probably the greatest thing this earth has to offer. Wow. By the way, I was trying to find the closest Wodeberger or Wadderberger to me. I think it's in Colorado or Arizona. I'm looking at a map here. Might be Arizona as closest. There's none in California.

There's 743 locations in Texas. Yeah. And then there are no more than 40. There's no more than 43 in any other state. I'm a ride or die for Wadaburger. Nice hyphen. It's, you know, Ball. ride or die for What a Burger.

Way better than In-N-N-Out. Let me just get that on the record. Yes, it's not even close. I like it, too, but it's just, it's not even a competition. I've never had it, and I know that's wrong. My issue with it-in-out is the name's a lie. You can't get in-and-out of it-in-and-out. It's the slowest fast food.

That is like the lamest thing you've ever said. It's the slowest-foods. I can get over how lame that is. There's the most like 80-year-old grandpa complaint I've ever heard. I'm just saying it's the only place where, like, I've waited 40 minutes for burgers. It's because it's so fucking popular. What are you going to do? Yeah, so make more of them.

Should they change the name because it's too popular? No, put more restaurants there because it's more popular. They don't put more restaurants because they're dedicated to quality ingredients and they want to expand to places where they can't get good ingredients. It's why it's good. Yeah, well, they're afraid to compete. I don't know. I think it's doing just fine.

I agree with Craig that I don't give a fuck what the name is, that the name isn't factually correct. Even though I don't, I've never been to in and out either. In fact, I might have been there one time, but I don't really remember it. I'm not like, oh, the name's wrong. I'm just like, it takes a long time. I mean, you kind of literally were just like the name is wrong and therefore it sucks. But it was a name. It was a conduit, and sometimes it now takes a long time.

That's all. It was named that back when drive-thru was a novel idea. Yeah. Time changed, you know? They're not going to change their entire branding and logo and name. It's not the fastest food. In and stay a while. Wait and eat.

Wait and eat. All right, you guys want to do some emails? Yes. Sure. I don't think I've ever seen Craig get so mad. I know. It's California. It's triggered for him.

It's California. You got to defend it in and out. I've heard the In-N-Out name thing from Hyatt. It's like 10 times at this point. And I'm like, we've got to get past this. No, it's plain. Yeah. Look, in California, you have to, you can't let,

but it's like speaking about your mom. It's like you can't just like talk the way I was talking about in and out and just not. You can't let it stand. No, you can't do that. It's too important to the culture. I do like In-N-N-Out. But Waterburger's better. All right.

Emails for your fantasy football at Gmail.com about Waterberger in and out. All right, quick some emails. I have to shout out to Kaylee. Kaylee. Kaylee has ended our national nightmare about clouds. Oh, thank God. So Kaylee writes, and again, for those who don't have no idea we're talking about, we argue about clouds and whether they have weight in all the, do they weigh, what's up with clouds?

Do they weigh anything? Kaylee is a cloud. Kelly is a mechanical engineer. Okay. Kelly says, I wanted to clear something up about the weight of clouds. In physics terms, weight is the force of gravity, acting on an object of a given mass. Mass is absolute and constant, but weight is dependent on gravitational conditions. So you'd weigh less on the moon. You'd weigh more on Jupiter, but you'd

have the same mass on both. The mass of the water and a cloud may be a billion pound mass, but because it's lighter than the air around it, it's perfectly valid to say that it has a weight of a zero pound force. Oh, DK, did we do it? Vindicated. says this is a confusing topic because we use pounds interchangeably to refer to both mass and weight, even though those are different properties. So the point is, you guys are right in a technical sense that a cloud does not weigh a billion pounds, even though it has a mass of a billion pounds. So if you wanted to be more technical, you could say the weight of a cloud is a billion

pounds, but is being counteracted by an equivalent, upwards, buoyant force from the air around it. But I'm an engineer, not a physicist. So in any practical sense, a cloud is weightless. finally reason prevails Craig oh our

dude that was like the shortest conspiracy theory ever we did it we did it we didn't have to even do our own experiments Craig's like I want to go back

to that trivia from three years ago and change you want to want to we get DK and I get one extra point yeah now Brooke emailed into to weigh in clouds our clouds objects

oh no oh okay okay so well Brooke says I love your podcast podcast, Brooke. Rick says, I've never played fantasy football before, but my fiancé

sucked me into it. I don't even watch football closely ever, so combinations of names, positions, teams, you guys mentioned me, nothing to me. This podcast has been a light guiding me out of a dark tunnel

into a slightly less dark tunnel, which... I'll take that. I'll take that. Should that be the bio on our new Instagram? Slightly better. Yeah, a slightly less dark tunnel.

That's like maybe that's, yeah, that's their bio for the show. So, Brooke says, clouds, they're made up of tiny water droplets and ice crystals, each being a few microns in diameter. For reference, a human hair is like 70, 70 microns thick.

A red blood cell is like 8 microns thick. The water droplets are a few. So each individual droplet is so light that rising air currents can suspend them in air, counteractive force of gravity, pulling them down. There's a lot of microns in a cloud. Sorry, not microns. Sorry, droplets. A lot of water droplets in a cloud.

And they just spread over a long distance so they can stay suspended. So when these droplets get too heavy, it overcomes the force of gravity, the fall, that's rain. I am 100. And Brooks says I'm 100% on the cloud. are not objects trained because clouds are more like a formation of teeny tiny stuff

that looks like an object but it's more of a mist or a spray. I got to go to Vegas. I'm hot right now. Boom. Weightless non-objects. I actually feel like I've learned a lot about clouds today. I know. Kaylee's email, going back to Kelly for a second,

also weighed in on Jupiter, but should we save that for power hour tomorrow? I want to hear about Jupiter now. What about Jupiter. The gas, we did get a couple tweets that did help clear some things up about this. Okay, so if you want to, okay, so, Craig, because you were wondering, like, what do you mean? It's like gas, solid. Well, I said gas solid, what are you talking about?

And then you were like, what do you mean? It's like, they were saying that there's no surface. And the surface is gas. And I was like, well, how is the surface gas if there's a solid core? Wouldn't the surface be on the outside of the solid core? So Kaley answered this too. So Jupiter having no surface, it's because the intense pressure, pressure, and temperature of the lower atmosphere. It's not just

temperature, just temperature and pressure. The difference between gas and liquid becomes fluky, as is the difference between liquid and solid. So the hydrogen in the atmosphere is compressed into a liquid, but there's no clear boundary when it stops being gas and starts being liquid because temperature and liquid both, the temperature and pressure both affect that. So it's like, I don't know, it's like slush, I guess. And then closer to the core, the ocean of liquid hydrogen gets compressed even further into a solid.

But again, there's no clear point where it stops being a liquid and starts being a solid. And then at the very core of that solid hydrogen, there's a rocky core about the size of Earth, but 30 times denser, that gathered all that hydrogen with its gravity when the solar, when the solar system was first formed. Interesting. Solid hydrogen is a pretty crazy concept. Yeah. I think I'm a little bit smarter, but not that much smarter after hearing that.

I don't know how much I'll retain. You know, sometimes I'm like, you hear such a complicated response. You're like, I don't even have a question to respond with. Yeah. Like, I don't, I don't have a follow-up question. I'm going to chew on that for a week. I'm not smart enough to respond. Yeah.

Thank you, Kelly. It's crazy that the core or whatever that we're talking about is the size of Earth. Like that's not small. No. According to how we feel. Right. In the galactic sense, it's extremely small. Somebody tweeted me basically saying like the Earth has a core, but the Earth's surface is not the surface of the core.

It is what we think of as the Earth's surface. Oh, that's actually helps me. That's good, too. Yeah. I think Brooke was on a higher level than we were at. Brooke was giving us too. She's a new listener, you know. She's giving us to credit.

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But again, it's just a bunch of vetted organizations. And you can pick one of your choosing, but just trying to, you know, little droplets, if you will, micron long droplets to just, you know, leave. V8. It's going on there. Did I land that? It was that bad. It's all right. It wasn't my best. It wasn't the worst. It'll do. Yeah. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you. Everyone for emailings. Thank you everyone for donuts. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Kai, plain and dry, Grady.

Yeah, there we go. That's your new nickname. Kai, your Twitter bio. Change your Twitter bio to just plain and dry. All time moment was when we found out that Kai means food. That was like an all-time moment in the show. The irony. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Train. Nice.

All the drops and Jupiter. And Jupiter just coming together. I have to say, Daniel, this is probably some of your best work. Wow. I know, sometimes it just clicks. Sometimes it just clicks. Train was a real like I was 14 and singing a couple of those songs, you know, or maybe like, no, train was a real like I just got my license and I'm just like rip it and drops of Jupiter, windows down.

There's no greater disparity between how much I think. I think I can sing a song and how much I can actually sing a song then drops of Jupiter. That sounds right. Because in my head, I can get the end, all five minutes and 20 seconds perfectly, and I should do it at karaoke every time. And in reality, it's a disaster. It's such a good song. Calling all angels is another banger. Craig, you're going to sing? Oh, drops of Jupiter, dude.

Dude, also just the opening. What does it acts like summer, and she walks like rain. She's back in the atmosphere or something like that? Yeah. See, I'm toned up. I can't sing, but I know everywhere. Who's the lead singer of train? What's up with that guy? That guy's good. Pat Monaghan. Good for you, Pat. Performed in 93? Why does it say music groups train in The Doors?

No way. Oh, my God. Wait, was he in the doors? He's only 55. Like the band The Doors? He wasn't in the doors? No, he's too young. He would have been like 10. He was really good at singing. He was born in 1969. That's when the Doors. were like popular. He was in a Led Zeppelin cover band.

That's kind of sick. We have to shout out. You know, we've been making foot of the name of the doors for like a long time of like, oh, that's a boring name. Right. Shout a bunch of people emailed us

but shout at Jonas because I just found your email but I know if other people do this too. We're saying that like, oh, the door is boring name. It's like some quote, right? The band took their name from the title of Aldous Huxley's book,

The Doors of Perception, which is itself derived from a line in William Blake's the marriage of heaven and hell. And the quote is, if the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is infinite. Goodness.

And so the name was the doors of perception, but they shortened it to the doors. I mean, I don't think we actually were saying they looked at a door and were like, hey, let's name our name our van, the doors. I don't think we were making back contention, but that is interesting. These guys are so dumb.

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