The Ringer NFL Show - Waiver Wire Pickups for Week 8

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

SHOWDOWN TIME! Must-add players at each position ahead of NFL Week 8 (1:30). “You guys want to do some emails?” (49:55). Check out The Ringer’s Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and much more! Fanduel.com/ringerffs is live! RB: D’Onta Foreman (Bears), Darrell Henderson (Rams), and Joshua Kelley (Chargers) (3:00) WR: Josh Downs (Colts), Brandin Cooks (Cowboys), and Demario Douglas (Patriots) (14:44) TE: Dalton Kincaid (Bills), Michael Mayer (Raiders), and Taysom Hill (Saints) (33:45) QB: Kyler Murray (Cardinals) (46:46) D/ST: Tennessee Titans, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Los Angeles Chargers (47:24) Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All show, my name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldwick, and we are going through a must-add players entering week eight. That's crazy. Week eight? We're like more than halfway through the regular season at this point. I said that out loud, it sounded wrong. It's weird.

It is week eight that we're in on right? Okay. This is just going very fast. There are no teams on buy in week eight, which also seems strange. But there are none. Don't get buys. Don't understand any of it. And I'll never will.

There was six buys last week, none this week. I don't get it. I wish I could pretend that I, don't, that's so odd to me, but all right, cool, whatever. So fantasy-wise, you're not as down bad as usual, as the kids would say. Horny? No one. Yeah, I mean, that's the kids are always horny.

Yeah. We're going to go through our must-dad players entering week eight, and here's how it works. We're going to go position by position. We're going to each give our top pick for that position, but like waivers, only one of us gets them, so we're going to do a little trivia tiebreaker, and then everyone else will have to guess. You'll figure it out. It's not super complicated.

If you're listening, email, surringer, fancy football, gmail. dot com. Put trivia the subject line, make the answer a number also. I'm Danny underscore Hyfittson, Twitter, Dana Heffitts, Instagram, DK's Danny B. Kelly everywhere. Craig is at Craig rollback. And again, DK will have an updated waivers column at fancyfutball.com. You know what, Craig? Sometimes we got to

freaking say things. I was just thinking that was excellent work. You were like an auctioneer there. You sound like the Lego man. If somebody's listening at like 1.5 or God forbid 2x, like no way they cut any of that. He's a true pro. I'm serious. When you were talking

Hyphitz, I was like, you're good at this. So don't even, don't even listen, Craig. It's become so muscle memory for you. Like, you must wake up in the middle of the night and be like fantasy football dot the ringer.com. Yeah, now, I think I'm going to give Jackie Tonitis or something. It's just, yeah.

It's just like dogs when they sleep. You know, they got the legs. I'm just like reading all the twitching. The barking, the barking in the sleep. Yeah. Also, if you don't remember our Twitter handles or our Instagram handles, those are also clickable links. Just click on our names.

in our podcast. Oh, okay. Yeah, in the description of each show. Is this going to be a thing now instead of a URL? You're making it a thing, if it's,

I would just like to let you know. That's just right there went from hating it to enjoying it. Anyway, all right, without further ado, we're going to go position by position. D.K., lead us off. Give us your number one

running back every week eight. Deonté Foreman of the Bears who looked awesome. Who do you guys have? The number one running back in fantasy this week, I thought about taking someone else topical for the bit.

It's also bleak. Like, not a lot of huge injuries this week at running back. No buys, like we said. It's bleak. Not a lot of injuries. Everyone's healthy. God.

Sequin hurt his elbow. Reentered the game. The Waver Wire is not robust, is what I'm trying to say. Good for real life. For the sanctity of the show, not great. Once again, fantasy football. It's just the Tim Robinson.

Every injury, it's like, I've got to figure how to make money on this. Right. Deonté Foreman, by the way, just looks awesome out there. Break and tackle. creating explosive plays. He does this.

Once or twice a year, he looks like a top five running back. Maybe he has changed teams. He's like the Dion Waders of fantasy football. Like the half decade Deon Waders Award. Just like he shows up. He looks great. It's like a legend.

All right. Showdown time for Deonti. For Deonté. Good for Deonté. Welcome back. It is the Deontay Foreman. Showdown time. It's from Andy.

Andy. D. Andy. Andy. Since y'all label guys as the Kirkland's signature version all the time. How many Kirkland's signature products exist at Costco? Oh, wow.

Holy crap. It's a good question. How many separate products? Okay. All right. There's a number that immediately popped into my head and I don't know why, so I'm going to say it. Same here. Okay.

All right. Three, two, one. Three thousand. 137. Oh, shit. I'm wrong. Okay, so Craig said 137. I said 301.

What was yours? I said 3000. I don't know. Honestly, you could be very right. For all I know, man, Costco. The first thing I thought was five, and then I was like, that's a little high. Five.

That seems like a lot. The answer is 364. D.K. Ooh. Hell yeah. You get Deonté Fortman. Nice. Simpler life.

Okay. I wish there was 3,000 Kirkland products, to be honest. Keep making. I know, right. I want more. Kirkland T-shirts, great. I got to say, Kirkland beer, not the best. Kirkland alcohol, though, is good.

Hardee, like the whiskey, the Irish whiskey, the Sky's whiskey, the golf balls. They used to be ProV-1s and then they got like suit or something. They just made the other company's stuff. Just slap someone else's local on there and call it a day. It was great. It was half the price. Should we do that with this show? Should we just put like the Bill Simmons podcast on the show and just see what happens?

I mean, we sort of. I guess that'd be the opposite. I guess it'd be like if we played Bill's show and put it here and just had our title on it. Yes. That makes, yeah, it's a better comparison. Also, not bad. All right. I guess I'm going to take,

man, it's kind of gross. I'm like, thinking of the Rams running backs, right? Darrell Henderson, they're playing at Cowboys, though. I'm like, and then it's like, I can go with Josh Kelly on the Chargers. They're playing the Bears, which is a better matchup, but I'm like, Josh Kelly is not good. I think I'll take Darrell Henderson on the Rams. I mean, yeah, on the Rams, I guess.

Yeah. So I want to just, Matt. Massive caveat for all the California running backs on this list, which I feel like is half of them. We're recording this Monday afternoon, so we don't know what's up with the Niners game yet. Leisure Mitchell, Jordan Mason for maybe McCaffrey had 400 yards and maybe McCaffrey's, you know, just got to re-injured in the first place. So caveat for that. Obviously, McAfree would get re-injured. The 49ers guys would be there.

To your point, Craig, we also recording this money afternoon. We don't 100% know what's up with Austin Eccler. He seemed to like retweak his leg injury in that game. I don't know. Sometimes it's fine when they go back in or whatever. sometimes it's adrenaline and that it's actually worse the next day. So that's another caveat. But I, the Rams backfield to your point, Daryl Henderson, I don't know, Dika,

how did you feel about Daryl Henderson and Royce Freeman? Like this was just like such a huge mess at Rams running back. Yeah. And it ended up, Darryl Henderson and Royce Freeman, I guess the simplest way could put it. They both got 66 yards from scrimmage, but Royce Freeman did it on seven fewer touches, which feels right to me where Henderson knew the offense more and Royce Freeman looked more explosive. But overall, as Craig said, well, there, so yeah, my reaction to,

that watching that game was basically like, okay, like I understand why Henderson was not on any teams prior to Thursday or whatever day they signed him. But at the end of the day, like, we want the volume and Sean McVeigh has shown, you know, an appreciation

for Darrell Henderson. He started the game. He got the most carries. He had the most snaps and he had the most fantasy points. He did score a touchdown. Of course, that helped him. I thought Royce Freeman looked pretty good. Like, he was bowling guys over. He looked a little more physical. I think Freeman is more like a slasher.

And I'm sorry, Henderson is more of a slasher. Freeman's more of like just a grinding between the tackles type of guy. But Henderson ran more routes. I don't know. I would say Henderson definitely gets the nod. But I'm not super excited about either because it is a time share. I think Daryl Henderson was like, he's like a nice guy. And then, you know, like you're losing Kyron Williams and Ronnie Rivers last week.

The Rams, it's like you had a plus one to an event. and you just need someone to come now. And, like, you know, Kairn and Ronnie Rivers are out. And Darryl Henderson, like, you know, he knows the playbook. He was there last year. He's been there for years. He knows your friends a little bit. Yeah.

They know each other's names? Like, not going to have to hold his hand the whole time. Exactly. You know, when you, like, make a pact with somebody when you're like 18, you're like, if we're single one worth 40, we're here. That's what they said to him when they cut him the last time. They're like, look, if we have no running backs next year, we will sign you. And he shows up, and it's like, it's not excited.

Like, you know, it's not going to be the best sex of your life, but like, he's there. Like, it means that a lot has gone wrong. Like, if we're 40 and, like, we're not, we're single, like, that means, like, things haven't really gone well in our life, but we will be together. And then Roy's Freeman, you see Roy's Freeman again for the first time in a while. And you're like, oh, that was more exciting than I thought. It's easier to pay the bills when you have two people living in the same roof, you know? That's how Henderson is.

I think the longer this goes on, the less advantage you'll have. I do think he is the, he's a priority here, Henderson. I think the reality is that with everyone on buy, or sorry, no teams on by this week. You hopefully don't have to put these guys in your lineup. So unless you're very injured at running back, it's more like a long-term thing. So I guess my question is,

if you were thinking more about like, I just want a person who will still be relevant four weeks or now, is it Daryl Henderson still? Because I'm kind of like watching that. I was kind of like Royce Freeman seems better. Well, four weeks from now, Karen Williams is probably going to be back. It's neither.

All right. So none of these guys. Okay, cool. Well, you know what, that's, I'm glad I'm going to take Josh Kelly then for the charges. It feels like a win-win. And by that it's a lose-lose. Josh Kelly, where we, I forget what you said yesterday, but he can only be the, he can't be the lead dog. Like Josh Kelly.

And the three games that he's been a starter, he has like a third of the fantasy points, even though he has like almost twice the touches as when he's a sub. Like when Echler is there, he's having such, Josh Kelly's got seven yards of carry just as Echler's backup. And then when he's the starter, it's like two and a half basically. So I mean, that's a guy who can't carry a movie, but he can be like a really good.

He's a Dion Waiters. He's Deon Waiters, you know? So I still think Josh Kelly, I mean, I think it's perfect. Craig, you talk this all the time. If you had Josh Kelly, you're like, I don't want to add him again. I didn't like that. But if you haven't, you're like, oh, my God, I can just get Josh Kelly. The guy caught him.

How dumb are you? But you're not going to go back if you already experienced this. But he realistically is probably the most valuable person. I didn't even have him on my list because it's just such a frustrating experience to have him in your starting lineup. But you've got to wipe the memory. I know. You got a men and black memory hole yourself. I'm playing whack-a-mole with these freaking backup running backs.

Like, I had Josh Kelly on my bench this week, and he scored a touchdown. And the next week I'll probably put him in my lineup and he'll have like one yard. You know, it's like, Jesus Christ, I hate this. Yeah, we need a word for that when like you start, like you're reacting to the week before and they never have the same week. Like that's, there needs to be a word for like, he has a great game, so you start him. And then he has a bad game, so you set him. And then he has a good game, so you start him. And it's just like this vicious cycle of never working out.

Yeah. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com, if you've a word for that. It's essentially like investing in stock the worst way. It's like you're buying high and selling low. I was kind of the same thing. What do they say about stocks? It's like, what is it? Buy the rumor, sell the news.

And then fantasy, we're like, we're buying the news and selling rumors basically. Yeah. You're like, oh, he scored great. I'm going to play him now. Okay. So we got, yeah, Royce Freeman and Henderson for the Rams. Miles Gaskin was inactive and Zach Evans. Honestly, cut Zach Evans, I think.

There's Amari Demarcato on the Cardinals. Yeah, I think Amari Demarcato, he played 95% of the touches and 80% of the snaps to the Cardinals. Yeah, that's weird because last week it was a three-man rotation. I would add, yeah, he's a good one. I would add also just Tajay Spears for the Titans if Derek Henry gets traded. Of course, that would be important. Devin Singletary for the Texans who has been in the, he hadn't done really anything until last week.

And then all of a sudden, they were like a 50-50 split with Damien Pierce. So if that continues, he could have some value. Of course, both of those guys are kind of capped in terms of their upside. But if you're looking for a guy to throw in your flex, I think Singletary could be an option. Who else? Also, he's probably rostered, but Rochon Johnson of the Bears. I know he's plugged him for two weeks. At this point, he hasn't played.

He had a concussion on Thursday football. And now we're coming up on almost three weeks since. The coach said, Iberflus said today that he has one more hurdle to clear and then he is expecting to be back on Wednesday. So that's good news. Roshon, when he comes back, will probably sell it. Yeah, you mentioned Tashi Spirit for the Titans. I also just want to mention Jerome Ford was in a walking boot for the Browns running backer.

Oh, yeah, Pierre Strong. Yep. Was a walking boot after the Browns won. The Browns played Seattle this week. Pierre Strong Jr. for the Browns, I think he's pretty good. Like, the difference is Demarcato for the Cardinals. He's just there. He's also just like a nice guy.

Like, he's just there. This is just shots across the bow for Kai right now. What do you say? Kai's a nice guy? No, TCU. Oh, TCU. Guy's just like a few minutes. Kai's not edgy enough.

No edge. That's, oh my God. There was some app. I don't know how this didn't work out, but there was some app that was like back in the day, there was like a senior high school. Someone created an app that you had to be a woman on Facebook to join the app. They made you's login through Facebook.

And it was basically like Yelp, but for men. And it was women just leaving reviews of men for dating purposes. And they just like, and they, you know those word bubbles of like the most words that come up the most are like the biggest? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And one of our friends had like a few reviews. And he's like the nicest guy in the world. And the biggest word in the word bubble was no edge.

Oh, that's brutal. And we totally don't bring this up all the time. No edge. Wow. I never knew how much being edgy was important to me until this is the exact moment. It's going to be super edgy going forward. Did you see yesterday Travis Kelsey drop a pass and he just banged the turf like two times like very angrily? And there's a pause.

There's a pause. and Jackie, my girlfriend was like, that was so hot. And I was like, really? Attraction is the weirdest shit, man. It is. He only did that because of the situation he's in right now.

I firmly believe that. Whatever. Anyway, Pierre Stroke, Jr. Edgy. He is edge for the Browns. Like, honestly, Pierre Strong. Good runner. DiMarcato, pretty boring.

Matt Peridiv, Sequin gets dreaded. He probably won't. And then Latavius Murray again, the chasing a Cialis with the Red Bull of running backs. Okay. Don't want to be out here. Wide receivers, D.K.,

who's your number one wide receiver entering week eight? This is my guy, Josh Downs for the Colts. 125 yards in a touchdown this week. Not shabby. Yeah, again, Tyrie Kill and A.J. Brown

with the top two receivers and then Josh Downs so it feels silly to take someone else, honestly. Yeah, I agree. Since week two, Josh Downs has outscored Michael Pittman. Yep.

Wild. All right. Josh Downs showdown time? Yeah. How tall is Josh Downs? He's short, right? I think he's like 5-8. Yeah.

He's time. Yeah. But he's like super agile. Like he's a good route runner and runs after the catch. He's actually plays bigger than the 5-8.

That's something I wrote in my scattering report for him. Because he, in college, he had like all these contested catches. He would go up in the air and like grab it.

He's like widely like that. All right. It's time for the Josh Downs. Showdowns time. Oh. Hey-oh. Craig's on fire.

I was from Andrew. I can't be stopped. Andrew. Andrew. In honor of Danny's butchered pronunciation of Shreveport, which is my wife's hometown. Here's a true question for the show.

What did you say? How did you say it? I said Shreveport. Shreveport. Yeah. You said I added a T in so I got really mad, but then people were like, oh, you're mad.

And I was like, well, he said I had Shreddaport. It doesn't matter. She just didn't say it wrong. You didn't. Say it right, is the point. Yeah, I don't speak that. Shreveport, from Andrew, Shreveport is named in honor of Captain Henry Miller Shreve. Captain Shreve led the United States Army Corps of Engineers' efforts to clear the Red River of the, quote, Great Raft, a naturally occurring log jam blocking the river in the 1830s.

How long was the Great Raff Long Jim? Good Lord. Wait, what? No, I read into this. So I'll give you a little more context. What's the metric are we using? I don't know. It's up to you. It's really interesting, actually. Basically, in America, this is Clay. Clay said it. He's from Shreveport. He's mad about how he said it as well. Clay emailed in and said, in America's steam. This is from a link he sent me. It's really good. In America's steamboat era, the main danger to waterborne travel and commerce was not fire or explosions, but it was snags. It's trees fall in the rivers. And you got all these trees floating down and the center with all the roots gets caught in the river bank. And then the end of the trees just like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of trees are just in the river. But the real problem is the ones underneath the water.

We're punctured. You don't see or puncture the hole. And that actually was like, but there are hundreds of trees all in the water at the same time underneath and above. Sounds like a nightmare. Yeah, you can't. So basically that was the issue. They couldn't travel than the river. So how long was the log jam and they had to clear it.

How long? Like how wide? What do you mean? How many miles long? Yeah, yeah. The distance. Yeah. Captain Shreve.

How many miles long the log gym is? But I still don't understand. Maybe I'm being stupid. Down the river. How many miles of the river was covered by the long gym? The log gym. And this is the year 1830? Yeah.

Yeah, 1824. And what state are we in? Louisiana. Like, we already, this is the longest explanation we've ever had for a question. I don't remember where Shreveported. What state was Shreveported? Shreveported. You got it wrong.

Louisiana. What state? What state is Shreveport, Louisiana? It's in Louisiana. All right. Shreveport. You did it worse. Hyphitz there.

He got out of my way to correct myself. He accepted me. He accepted me. He said what Hyphitz did, I think. He added a T. He put it in my brain. I'm anchored. Oh, wait, it's, what is it? I said Shreva Port. And it's Shreveport?

Yeah. Port or poor? Yes. Port. Shreveport. I think I was like, like, like a sleep last night when you guys are talking about this. It kind of went in one ear and out the other. Okay. How long was the log jam in Shreveport?

in 1830. 24. Can Shreveport and New Orleans both be in Louisiana? Or wait, is Shreveport in New Orleans? Wait, how's that work? If Pittsburgh's in Philadelphia, how can't have two cities in one state? All right. How long was this log jam?

Did you guys guess? I didn't guess. We haven't guessed yet. Three, two, one. Two miles. Two and a half. miles. 30 miles.

30 miles. Ooh, I kind of like that. You get super late after you heard both of our guesses. I know, I counted down and then I forgot to give my answer. I was just trying to move on.

And I totally, yeah, I forgot. Yeah, I called bullshit. But anyways, what is it? The answer is

180 miles long. Jesus. What? That is an incredibly long log jam. A hundred and eight. That's like L.A. to San Diego of just log jam. And you know how long it was?

It's longer than like this segment, which we don't remember who we're fighting for anymore. Josh Downs. Yeah, right. How can I forget? Okay, so I get Josh Downs. Oh, also, while we're on Shreveport.

I get last. Eric emailed in to say the Canadian Football League actually expanded to the United States in the 1990s. I had no idea that happened, the CFL. And they had a team in Shreveport's, the Shreveport Pirates, was a CFL team. Oh, wow. Isn't that crazy? Wow.

Anyway, okay, Josh Downs. Who do you guys want it, receiver? Craig, you're next. Yeah, I think, just, I edge you out there. with my 2.5 miles. There's two miles, even though it was 180. I feel like it's unfair

that I get like a point and you get a negative point because of that. But things are the rules. Also, he's cheated, but that's fine. I'm going to go, he did cheat.

I'm going to go. By accident. I feel like this guy's flying under the radar and I get it because he really hasn't been great, but I'm going to, like, the history has been there. I'm just going to go with Brandon Cooks,

who had a buy last week. And he really hasn't done a lot this year. He's basically just getting like four targets a game. But I kind of would also argue that like, the Cowboys haven't really played a normal game until last week. Yeah. And in that Chargers game, Brandon Cooks had a touchdown and he had 50 yards. And, you know, it's like the Giants game was weird. The Jets game he didn't play. The Arizona game was bizarre. Then they played the Pats and they killed them. And then it was the Niners. They got killed. It's like the, the Chargers game was like the first time. I was like, oh, this is like a normal

Cowboys offense running their offense. And Brandon Cooks was involved. And look, this is a guy who's like has an extremely great track record. And so although there's like the Jalen Hyatt's of the world and all these like upside rookies, I think like next week I need a guy I'm doing on Brandon Cooks. I actually hadn't noticed him almost all year, Craig. And then last week, or whenever the last game they played last week, I was like, oh, he looks pretty quick. There's a couple of plays where he made like yards after the catch.

I was like, oh, he looks pretty sprightly. I just wonder if the Dallas offense is a by-low in general. I think this is a great call. That's a going. Craig gets Brandon Cooks. I'm going to take to Mario Douglas for the Patriots. It came down to. Pop Douglas.

Pop Douglas, baby. A rare 0% rostered on Yahoo. There we go. Pop Douglas sounds like he's on the 23 Cleveland steamers. Cleveland Steemers. Don't Urban Dictionary Cleveland Steamer, by the way. Oh, did I? Oh, that's, yeah, I shouldn't have said that.

Do not do that at work, especially, Jesus Christ. Soon, on Spotify, we're going to be able to have it where, like, on the logo is. There's the definition of Cleveland Steamer will pop up. That was a feature we're working on. So get ready for that. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. pictures? Or are there going to be illustrations? Depictions? Of the Cleveland

Steamer? Yeah. A GIF? Okay. Hold on. I googled it. And then the first thing that comes up is a Wikipedia page. And it's just an edit history of people trying to delete the Wikipedia page and the moderators not doing it. It's literally a conversation between this. I've never seen a Wikipedia page like this. It said, one section is, I will remove

irrelevant trivia now. Please don't remove tags. WTF. This article is better with the content, context. It's literally just like an argument among moderators to delete it. Yeah, so that doesn't get us any closer to you knowing what that is if you don't know what it is, but it's bad. Anyway, Pop Douglas for the Patriots. I also think Kendrick Bourne for the Patriots is out there and is a potential ad.

I know, I'm surprised you're going with Demerio Douglas, Pop Douglas over Kendrick Boren. Well, here's why. I think Douglas is pretty unique in the role and the skill set that he brings to the Patriots offense. He's like the one guy they have that has a little bit of juice and run after they catch. I think Kendrick Bourne, Juju, and DeVante Parker. are all a little bit redundant, and they seem to, like, rotate in with each other. And, like, you just never know who's going to play the most snaps.

You never know who's going to get, like, a big part of the game plan. I think Douglas, who plays primarily in the slot, I think he played, like, 80-something percent of the snaps in the slot last week. I think that's going to be, like, his role going forward. And to me, he just looks like an descending player, whereas Kendrick Boren is just going to be up and down, week in and week out. So that's why I went with Douglas.

I do think Boren is also worth an ad, because if this Patriots offense actually starts being normal and not completely shitting the bed sorry that bad reference right after Cleveland Seamer that I think you know both of these guys could be values and so but I think just Pop Douglas

because he's an ascending player he definitely is just by the eye test the best thing the Patriots offense is going right it's not even close yeah I also think Jalen Hyatt is an ad they're going to I had him on the left a ball or two to him 30 yards down the field every quarter or every half.

He's the Marvin Mims of the Giants. Yes. Yes. Yeah, but they actually are playing him more. Marvin Mims, they're like, they're like, you later are receiving yards.

We're going to play you even less than the seven snaps again. The Giants are more like rotating high and glacial. I think four of his nine NFL receptions in his career are 30 yards or more. Yeah, you know how like Jackson Smith and Jigba's first month? They didn't give him a ball. And the same thing they did with. Who is the old receiver you drafted, D.K.,

the Seahawks draft? Eskridge? Yeah. Like they were like, we're not going to give you anything that is not within three yards at the line of scrimmage on either side.

Right. And then Jalen Hyatt's the opposite. Nothing before 30 yards downfield is allowed to be thrown to Jalen Hyatt. He can't do a slant. He can't do a button hook. That's his game, maybe.

He just has to get deep hooks. It's great though. He's like the, what do we call him on the draft show? A picture of Will Fuller that had been grabbed, not from the corner, but the center and just stretch.

Aspect ratio. Yeah, the aspect ratio. He's just Will Fuller, but like out of proportion. Yeah. It's just like, that's it. He's silly putty that's been left out. But yeah, Jaylen Hyatt's fun.

And then also, like, I would say Rashid Sheed for the Saints, who I swear to God is good. But until Derek Carr proves that he can throw outside of a 15-yard radius, I don't want anyone on the Saints. Shaheed is impossible to predict. Like, if you, like, he's basically a two spike weeks out of seven, and it's just impossible. He'll never know.

Here's a good rule. The Thursday football game, Derrick Carr threw a deep pass to Elave, and then Derrick Carr got mad that Olave gave up in the route. And then everyone speculated that Olavé gave up on the route because he wasn't in the progression. And Michael Thomas retweeted it explaining how Chris Olav maybe shouldn't be in the progression. But if I could say something to Chris, et cetera, et cetera, like maybe you should, and I'm like, the actual members of the offense cannot agree on how the deep passes are supposed to go publicly. Also, like, if you have to, if you have to communicate with your fellow

receiver via Twitter and not in the locker room. It's like a bad time. It was live tweeting our NFL ideas meeting like last week. He just was like, I'm in a meeting right now and I have to listen. And it's like, you know what I mean? It's like that's Michael Thomas in the receiver's meeting. Like they're talking about it. Maybe I read this incorrectly.

But my read on the situation was that. So I think it was Nick Underhill who tweeted it. And it was like basically found out after the game. Essentially, Olave, he took the blame for not fully running out his route. But he also said my excuse for not doing that is I was not even part of the progression. I was not even going to be in that play. I was just a clear out, essentially.

And then Derek Carr got all mad at me and Derek Carr's little bitch and he shouldn't be yelling at me publicly and making me look bad because I wasn't even supposed to be a target in that play. And then Michael Thomas was like, yeah, basically this is correct. Derek Carr is a little bitch. But you probably should run the route anyway. So I think both of them were essentially like Derek Carr sucks. That was my read.

I think that was your 100% right. That was perfect. And this is something I'd heard before the game that like there's issues in that locker room right now. I got a question for you guys. I was watching the Steela game yesterday

and there was a shot. There was one play. Naji Harris was line up in the backfield and there was a close-up of his eyes and his eyes were looking to the right. And I was like, oh, maybe he's either going to block to the right or they're going to hand it off to him and go to the right.

And he did. It ended up being a carry to the right. Do you think if you could, if you could have a camera that gets to show a close up of the eyes of certain players that you could kind of figure out what they're doing? Like, do you think Chris Olavay on the play where he knew he was not in the progression? His eyes were kind of just like dead straight, not really paying attention compared to

if he were running a crosser and his eyes to be kind of creeping towards the middle of the field? Do you think you can see that with players lined up? Is this what Prime Vision does? Is this how they predict all the blitz? It's the next step. And then they just wait and then they show it. It's AI.

I think the yes, but I think that there would probably be better use of cameras. To tell you the truth, the actual espionage happening is that they shut the radios on. off for the other teams that are on the road. Like the home team just kind of messes with the radio, going to the quarterback. I think intercepting the radio would be the interesting one. Ah, the Bluetooth's not working. Darn it.

It's, I mean, it's too bad that every, like, important third down in the second half of any Patriots game that ever mattered in the last decade. These finicky devices we have here. But no, yeah, Craig, you know what I was thinking of a lot. I've been watching receivers this season is the receivers grabbing their gloves really tight, right before they think they're going to get the ball. It's like poker. Like receivers have tells.

That was Chad Johnson. Chad Johnson. Some cornerback broke the rule. A lot of positions have these kickers. They're kind of more loyal. Kickers and especially, they're more loyal to themselves, like the job than the team.

So kickers will tell each other to make the wind as long as you know you share the information. And cornerbacks have that for elite receivers sometimes. And the tell on Chad Johnson for a while was he would grab his gloves and pull him tight only when he was getting the ball. And then some cornerback told Chad Johnson after the game and they like booted the cornerback

from like the group chat of sharing information. Ooh, yeah. Exiled him. Snitch. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a real thing. If anybody knows any tells for their favorite teams, players, let us know. Curious. Email us. Ringerfancy football at Gmail.com.

There was a Ben Rothesberger one. Have you seen that one? What did he do? Ben in the shotgun, when he would hand the ball off, his feet would be like, perfectly next to one another. But when he was going to pass, one foot would be slightly behind the other. So he would almost be like starting to back. he would be preparing to backpedal.

I've seen similar stuff with, and I can't remember off the top of my head who it actually was, but like the way that offensive tackles would line up. When Joanne Taylor lines up far enough of back to take a handoff as a running back, the Chiefs might be passing the ball.

And then the other tell is, the Giants under Jason Garrett. I was going to say some, Jason Garrett is going to come up here. If you ran, if they ran, well, actually it was easy.

They had one formation they passed out of for like, three years. So that, you know, the opposite of the tell. This is like, it drives me nuts. And I feel like some coaches just don't give a shit, but like there's so many tells in football where, you know, 95% of the time when they're in a certain formation

or whatever, they run the ball. It's like they just don't care. I forgot. We've gone off this too. I've never brought this up on the show. But actually, this was the best journalism I've ever done in my career. Was the whole. That was you.

Playoff game. The divisional round. Do you remember when Gurley and C.G. Anderson ran for like 260 yards in the Cowboys and they beat him in the playoff game at the Coliseum, and I was in the locker room afterward, and I got, you go for the young guards. And one of the, he was, Andrew Whitworth was on the team, the tackle, and the, one of the guards on the team made the mistake of telling me, they had a tell on the Cowboys line, you know, they don't necessarily blitz, but they're stunting, right? Which is like,

when the linemen basically switch places and try to confuse the line, and the Rams had figured out that when one of the Cowboys' defensive ends, I think, had his left hand down, that meant they were stunting. And so the Rams got like 20 of the 21 stunts right. And so they just literally but it's incredible that small detail. Literally a left first right hand down. And then the Rams just blasted the Cowboys out of the playoffs

and basically got Jason Garrett fired. Doesn't it also feel like more so than ever? I don't know why this year it seems like I am seeing way more shots of coaches play calling sheets up to their face and the camera super tight. And you could just read all their shit hype that you tweeted about it. Like I know. why can't we have like a cover in front of these play sheets so it's not just like exposed for the

it is funny that we could I literally am just looking at Sean Peyton's red zone and shout out to justice Mosqueda who tweeted like wow it's a lot of two tight end sets in your two minute drill there Sean Peyton I'm just like like I can't believe we can just see all this and Amazon just like zooming in yeah it's weird I don't know what I've never understood why the I get that the play sheet needs to be two sides so you can like because it's has so many plays on it you need to be able to see it but like figure something out where like there's a there's a cover on the back side of it or something where you're not just showing the world every

time you hold it up to your face. It's also so funny that it's a laminated piece of paper but now the coaches are young enough that like all these coaches probably it's the only thing they do in paper. You know what I mean? Like the next wave of head coaches are going to be like what is this? I know I was thinking like why isn't this on an iPad or something but I think it needs to be bigger. I think they want to be able to see everything at once.

No, they're not allowed to have the, all right? We should move on. Oh, you can't hold an iPad? Is that right? A coach can't hold me? very, well, no, iPads is only Microsoft surfaces. I know, but they can't hold a tablet? I don't think so. That's very strict. I don't think so. I didn't know that.

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Tight end entering week eight. All right. Let's continue to play whackamol at this position. Let's go with Dalton's Kade for the bills. Yeah, he had a good game. Let's go with him. Let's do this thing where one guy has a good week and then the next week he's going to suck. And then the week after that, he's going to be good.

Let's buy high here. Yeah, buying high. I will say, I've talked myself It looked like the game slowed down for him. You're right, eight catches for 75. It should have been nine for 95, honestly, Josh, I'm Mr. Ferrell. But, Dika, did you think, I feel like Kincaid, like he was settling in his zones like Travis Kelsey.

I feel like he looked like way more part of the office. And they threw the, with the game on the line, fourth and two, they threw him the ball. I think early on, and this is just something that happens with probably most of rookies. It's like he was just, it looked like he was thinking a lot. And he's like, oh, I've got to get to this spot and this depth. and then I got to turn around, and then by the time he gets the ball, he was just getting a bunch of little dunk,

like dink and dunk dump-off plays. And in this game, at least, I felt like he was, you know, getting the ball a little bit further downfield and then turning and running up and running after the catch and kind of just looked a little bit more like his dynamic self that we saw in college.

That's why everyone was so excited about him. That's why they picked him in the first round. And so, you know, of course, we got excited about Michael Mayer last week, and then Mayor didn't do a whole lot this week. I still am overall bullish about Mayor going forward, and he would be on this list too, but Kincaid at least was number one,

a first round pick that they were obviously very invested in and wanted, you know, to be a big part of our offense. And two, like you said, Hyvitz, I think he, like, turned a corner and he looked the part more than he had prior to. So this could be the breakout game that we see him start to, like, you know, be a big part of this offense. It also could be, yeah, I mean, I have Kincaid as well.

It also could be like, look, this is a game where Stefan Deggs had his worst game of the season, and Belich did a good job, containing him. So maybe that is why Kincaid had a decent game. He's basically playing the same number of snaps as he always has, around 60. He's splitting time with Dawson Knox pretty much all the time.

He just got more targets today. And they were playing from behind. Yeah, flip side, it was just like actually what happened was Bill Belichick's like, you know who's going to have to beat us, Dalton, Kincolkina. And they lost the record. We'll never do that ever again. Whoops. Anyway, Dolkiekechikin's showdown time. What a lead in for that?

We're super, very, like, we love this pick. We're very confident. about it. Playing the bucks next week. All right, it is the Dalton Kincaid showdown time. Yeah.

This is from, I'm sorry, it's a good email and I'm going to find you. I'm sorry. Michael, it's from Michael. Mikey.

Michael, thanks, Mike. Mickey. On your, what? Mickey. Is Mickey a nickname for Michael?

I think so. I don't know that. What is Mickey Mantle's real name? But what is Mickey Mantle's real name? I think it's short for Michael. But I could be completely good. It says his name is Mickey.

That's because he was born in 1931. People just named him. Right. Good point. Remind me to come back. We got an email about the 1927. Okay, wait. Michael, Mikey.

Mikey says, on your live show, DK talked about how in the early internet days, AOLCDs were mailed to your house, which DK. All they could describe it was as they mailed you the internet, you know? Like, they mailed. And we were like, what?

That's how I understand it and how it works. Yes. Mail to the end. So, Mikey's like, the CDs were free trials for AOL that you could install in your computer, connect online. Before you could download programs from the internet, everything had to be installed by inserting a CD or floppy disk to computer. At the peak of its production, the peak, what percentage of all CDs manufactured worldwide were just AOL install CDs? They were everywhere.

You would get so many of those things in the mail, just like constant, just junk mail. You better win this, DECA. You actually got mailed CDs to you. What percentage of all CDs manufactured worldwide were AOL CDs? I assume it's a peak of AOL CD production. Right, right, right. I don't, I mean, CDs, I just remember from, you know, hieroglyphs and the stories from Mi-M-M-M-A.

Did you guys really not use CDs? No, we use CDs. Burned them in fifth grade. Did you do tapes? I had a, no. Tapes. Oh, I think the funniest thing is that we're like, watch the tape. And I'm like, dude, I don't even remember tape.

Like, it's called streaming. I used tapes in his car, I remember. You know what my car used to have growing up is we had the, you know the thing where you could like plug the ox cord into a cassette tape and you would put that into your car and then plug the other end into your phone? Yes. I used to use that. Nice.

Craig, that's like a little piece of history right there. 1999 Honda Accord, baby. Best car I've ever had. It had to be a card too, I feel like. Can't wait to be 80 years old and telling her completely disinterested grandchildren about ox cords. Those were the days. dude, they were really, it was like weird

and the sound was completely awful. You could hear like the background like re, re, re, like, go. All right, what percentage, we're just off the rail. What percentage of all CDs manufactured worldwide or air well? You guys got a number? Yeah.

Sure. All right. Three, two, one. 20. 33. Oh, wow. Eight? I don't know. Yeah. I said eight. Okay. I guess that was low. Eight, 20, and 33.

The answer is 50. 50%. 50? That's crazy. Let's go. Let's go. That was like the age of CDs too. There's like a trillion CDs probably. That's what I was thinking. I was like this is the peak of the meat. Whatever. Craig, you get Dalton Cicade, which I mean, sucks for you. We didn't even want him. D.K.

It's kind of huge. It's bleak right now in tight day. Good luck. Have fun out there, guys. I'm going to go on a walk with Dalton. I'm going to go back to the well with Michael Mayer. I just think he's good and this was a one-off thing where he his route rate went down this week, which was unfortunate. But I still think overall, like, he's trending in the right direction. There's like no, there's no good options, really right now. So just going with the good player. I love Michael

Mayor. He's awesome. I love him so much. I'm hoping Jimmy G can come back next week. Is Jimmy G. do back next week? I don't know. A good rule of thumb is if a guy's like clearly ruled out like days plural in advance of the game, they're always kind of questionable going to the next week. I have a question. If you had to take all the 32 starting quarterbacks at the beginning of this year, and who was the quarterback that you were the least confident in that they will be healthy at the end of the season? Is Jimmy G number one? 100%.

That's actually one of the reasons I correctly predicted toot my own horn, Rogers, to the Jets, was because at the time, people were like 13 months ago, people were like, Jimmy G. And I'm like, you might as well just sign nobody because Mike White will be. be your quarterback. Like, Jimmy G is quite literally never had. He had one season in eight years that he's been healthy. He was healthy for that one Super Bowl season.

And other than that, even like the four games he got for the Patriots he got hurt. Like at some point, like you don't know how to protect yourself. Yeah, he doesn't take hits well. Every time he gets hit, he gets like fucking creamed. Can I say something that's kind of judgy? But like Jimmy, the way Jimmy curls up for a sack is like an ick. Like it's like more off putting than the other quarterback. You're right.

He's too hot to curl up like that. Yeah, it's like, maybe that's like the problem. He's got to be pounding the turf when he gets that. Yeah, he's got to pound the turf. His baseline attractive is maybe it's the problem. If Mike Glennon curls up like that, I'm like, no big deal. Jimmy G. I'm like, dude, you're like an icon.

Take it like a man. Have you guys seen this thing on, have you guys seen this thing on TikTok where the guy just fucking splits logs with an axe and women just like? Yeah, that was Captain Henry Shreve. Clear in the log gym. Oh, attraction's the weirdest thing, man. We're all animals. Not crazy. You're just thinking about that.

Okay, anyway, speaking to which, my tight end, this is going to be the best or worst pick I've made all year, but I believe it. Taysam Hill for the Saints. I swear to God, that's where I'm at. No, I had him on my list. This isn't that crazy. I had him second.

Yeah. Taysam Hill, like, if you watch the Thursday football game, we were talking earlier about the Saints. The Saints are done. The best goal line offense is like by far, Taysam Hill. All Derek Carr can do is check the ball down. And then when you get to the Red Zone,

and everything's more condensed. They cannot move the football of Tacey Mills, not in the field. And then on top of that, he's playing, like, true receiver more. He's running routes. Like, D'Rourke-Mill was streaking wide open, like 25 yards down in the middle of the field. But, like, I just, I don't know. At the end of the day, like, all these touchdowns you're trying out on all these tight ends, all of them, except for Kincade, hopefully, are really just touchdown or bust, right?

Like, except Kincolid, none of the only going to make eight catches in the game, probably. You just want them to score. Tase-imills getting goal-line carries. like what else can you want? Like he's a quarterback, he's running, he's just on the field a lot, and there's like the Taysam Hill line. And we're now out of tight ends I would take over Taysam Hill. And like Gerald Everett, he's under the line.

Just give me Tassum. The only problem here, and I agree with everything he said, because he was, he ran 42 routes this week. That's like he's like a full time receipt. And then he lines with a quarterback with like the other ones like you have to block. Taston Hill is just out of playing quarterback. They had the goal line look where they had like eight guys on the line of scrimmage or nine guys on the line of scrimmage

and then a defensive tackle in the backfield next to him. Like Keesha Phillips in backyard baseball. It was awesome. I got to say, I was thinking about Taysam Hill this today or yesterday when like building this dock. I kind of think that Taysam Hill is now underrated and he does not get nearly enough credit for who he is as a hundred percent. Tason Hill is the close box.

Yes. Literally. You guys just really had a moment. He is a quarterback or running back, a tight end. and a wide receiver all in one, and he's pretty good at all of them. This man deserves a documentary about him

and it should probably be a fucking Hall of Fame. Before his career is over, he deserves a documentary. I mean, if you had to pick another player in the league to do this, who would you pick? Like, he is extremely unique. Travis Hunter for Colorado, who's like this incredible receiver cornerback combo. And someone had a tweet that was like,

Travis Hunter's first game back after missing three games with a lacerated liver, the wide receiver slash cornerback played an unfathomable 167 snap. And I'm like, that's like what I'd read about Jim Thorpe. You know what I mean? That sounds like 80 years ago. And that's how I feel every time Tassum Hill does anything. I'm like, this isn't a real person. He just does everything.

He's all positions. You know what I? This just came into my head and this might be complete gobbledy gook. But like, don't you think it's, couldn't it be somewhat beneficial to play more snaps just because you stay warm the entire time? It always, like, struck me watching football games. No, but it's like, a lot of said these games are played. in like the ice school. I get what you mean. It's like you have to like run for five seconds.

Then you stop and then you go to the sideline. You wait for a TV timeout. You get all cold. Like you never get really warmed up. Silly question, but do you mean literally like the temperature of the game or do you mean like mentally involved? No, it's like your body. I mean like your body and your cardio. Yeah. Like your muscles keep your muscle warm. Like you get your second wind, you know? Like even if you're rested and you just stand up and try and sprint like that is going to be harder than if you've been like jogging and running for a while and your muscles are loose and you're warmer. It's like I feel like us talking about Travis Hunter is and soccer players will probably

be like, well, who gives a fuck? Like I play for an hour and a half straight. You know what I mean? Like, who cares? I run like 20 miles during a game. Yeah, but they're not like like high impact tackles every day. True. Obviously that's very clear, Craig.

But I'm just saying like from a just like when you're playing like when you go in to like say a basketball game, if you come off the bench cold, it takes you like a while to get that second wind and to actually like be at peak performance, I feel like. I will say this, DK. I have zero answers and I don't even know the right questions to ask, but I do think what you're talking about is right now at the bleeding edge of what NFL teams, smart ones are figuring out because the biggest thing we don't have publicly right now is all the tracking data they have, not just in games, but in practices. And I'll just say this. There's a reason that the Rams and Bengals, a couple years ago, play the Super Bowl. And there's a reason that the teams

that are in the Super Bowl are almost always the healthiest teams. Like the last six Super Bowl, and the Eagles one's almost like a the 2017 one's like this outlier because they're all hurt. Take that one out. Every other one is, oh, the guys with 20, the 22 starters left.

That's who made the Super Bowl. And the Rams absolutely had some kind of edge. It's not like an accident. Camakers came back from an Achilles in five months. Like, they've figured stuff out about cardio and when to play people and like all the weird stuff

Chip Kelly did 10 years ago. There is a lot of new information that's been created that they have answers and they have not shared yet. I just think it's interesting. Real quick. I meant to say this. And then we got,

we got distracted. The only problem with Taysam Hill is Juan Johnson's coming back. I just want to point that out. Don't care. Oh, well, that's the reason he wasn't running a lot of routes earlier in the year. And he could just go back to being like, I get five snaps. This isn't like I'm not going back to jail. Okay, I'm just like, you should care.

Fine, fine. That's a good point. We'll move on now. That's good caveat. Okay. Quarterback, if he's available, I don't know your league. Kyler Murray for the Cardinals. Adam, you know, he's coming off injured reserve at some point the next few weeks.

Adam, if he's there, probably not. Nine or ten is when they're looking at week nine or ten. Otherwise, this is a horrific week. Don't stream quarterbacks. There's no buys. Just play who you got. Sam How is playing the Eagles. Yikes.

Like Kenny Pickett versus the Jaguars, disgusting. Desmond Ritter's facing the Titans. Like, I don't want any of these people. I literally formally. You don't want to be out here. Yeah, you don't want to be out here. Don't take any of these quarterbacks. It's my official recommendation.

Great. That helps a lot of people. There's no buys. It's like just play who you got. You have a quarterback on your team. They're better than who's a waivers. I'm almost positive. defense on the other hand, Titans versus Desmond Ritter.

Like Desmond Ritter, what, two picks to end the two games ago, three fumbles inside the 10 this week. Like the Titans Mike Rable, they're so well coached, they're so good at getting the ball out. I will give me the Titans versus Desmond Ritter, and if they're not there, the Jags versus the Steelers and Kenny Pickett. By the way, breaking news while we're talking, the Titans traded Kevin Byer to the Eagles.

Oh, the best player in the Titans defense? Yeah, very good safety. And this just leads me to the question. Who else are the Titans going to trade? at the deadline. Are they going to get rid of Derek Henry to a contender? Maybe Ryan Tana Hill? He's hurt, of course, but, you know. Will they just trade DeAndre

Hopkins immediately to somewhere else? Ooh, they probably should. Maybe Deontra Hopkins should do the James Hardin and just like start holding up like signs at strip clubs that are like... Go to the Chief. I want DeAndre and Patrick Mahomes. Do you? I'm into it. I do. I do want that.

That was not a rhetorical question? Yeah. I do want it. Yeah. Do you? Yes, I do. That's why I said it. That's why I suggested it. What's the worst spot Hopkins go? Like the one that's just like the Titans. Like, because the Titans are the worst spot. The Falcons and like they just play Mac Collins over. God, don't do not do that to us.

That'd be so funny. No, that's true. Glad I'm plugging the Titans defense now that they're trading their best players. I'm still doing it. I don't care. I've seen too much Desmond Ritter to be afraid. And then Jags D's fair. Up their league lead and turnovers. Otherwise, it's kind of tough out there.

I'm not going to lie. Giants, Jets, if they're available. Grab either defense playing each other. And then Chargers D is like bad, but, dude, Tyson Badgent for the Bears? Agent. Any other defenses? Like, I still do the Titans, do Jags, Chargers against the Bears. Any other D's, Giants, Jets, if they're there?

Falcons D against the Titans. How scared are you, Tennessee? Not at all. So, yes, I think that's a good one. It'll be interesting to see who starts for the Titans this week. Malice or maybe Will Levis. we'll see. I'm not sure.

Yeah, it'll be very interesting, not entertaining. Will Levis must stink. Craig said the quiet part out loud. Will Levis must stink. He's still not the backup. If he can't start, I mean, this guy was like,

for a second there was rumored to be the number one overall pick in the draft and he can't start over Malik Willis. Brutal. It's not a good look. All right. Emails? Emails.

All right, a lot of emails. This is from Matt. Mattie. A lot of emails in this one. By the way, Mickey is short for Michael. I looked it up. Thanks. Or Mike Guy.

Tied that knot. Yeah. People were wondering. Colorado School of Mines. A lot of people emailed in to say that they thought we were talking for 10 minutes or more that we were talking about the Colorado School of Mimes. I actually listened back to that segment. And you did sound very much like you said Mimes. Mimes.

Can you imagine? They're probably in their division. I'm just picturing a fucking school, like a football team for a school of Mimes. That is the best. For all we know, they're in it. Maybe Ferris State played the Colorado school. They do. They're best in the silent count.

Hey-oh. This is one of the best and most. Don't read this ahead. I don't know if you guys can see this email. I don't want you to check this email. I don't want to read it. This is one of the most important emails we've ever gotten, ever. Okay.

This is on Kai eating things because we would like to, perhaps in the second half of the season here, get, you know, Kai Fieri. Fieri. Fieri. Yeah. Kai Fieri to start eating things. We're going to make him eat things.

This is from Aftieri. Astrid. Astrid. Astrid. I recognize this name. My name is Astrid and I am Kai's girlfriend. Yes. Holy shit.

I have heard about Kai time. I'm so excited that Kai's finally willing to try some foods. And I think I have some pretty good recommendations for things he should try if you're willing to consider them. Kai just put in the check. Flex. Flex. Here is my list. This is from Astrid.

Mac and cheese. Dates. That's got cheese in it. Yeah, he hates cheese. Yeah. Okay. Well, he's going to have to eat it. Avocado toast.

Love it. It's texture. Banana pudding. I'm sensing a texture thing here. Impossible meat. Ooh. That's just mean. A bagel with cream cheese.

No, possible meat's pretty good. Bagel with cream cheese. How can someone not like bagel with cream cheese? That's what I want to know. Bagel with cream cheese and then a Taco Bell burrito are on the things that he has to try to muster down. Okay.

The Taco Bell thing could cause problems. It's not our... Gastro and Tessonement's her problem. Yeah. That's true. This is her suggestion. We're just warning you. I'm surprised Kai's not in on Taco Bell,

or maybe he is. It's just the... Probably the cheese. All the stuff, it's too close to the cheese. You know what I mean? But he likes pizza. They don't have...

Oh, they do have Mexican pizza now at Taco Bell again. Anyway, keep going. There's a few more. Frito's being dipped. sure yep she wants them to do a green smoothie she's just like I've been wanting them to try this shit for so long and a ginger juice shot and then maybe he could also try like putting the toilet seat down after a piece maybe that could be something he tries maybe try fucking cleaning up after himself

no there is a whole other list here yeah it's actually it's um daily affirmation learn how to iron a shirt if you send those in aster we will also also list all the daily chores that Kai needs to go to. This is pretty good. Should we have done this today? Maybe Kai right now. Should he pick which one of us in the future he could do at the beginning of the episode? But should he pick which one of us he thinks had the best waiver picks?

And then like those guys the next week. All right, Kai, get in here. Kai, who do you think one? So wait, are we only giving Kyle a one in three shot, though, of succeeding? Yeah. Yeah, that's way too high. I have all the names here, too, by the way, if you guys want to recap. Okay.

Recap it, yeah. D-K's got Deontay Foreman, DeMio Douglas, and Michael Mayer. Yes. Pretty solid. Craig's got Daryl Henderson, Brandon Cook's, Donald Kincaid. Solid. This is really tough. Like, I've been sweating the entire episode.

Hyphitz has Josh Kelly, Josh Downs, double Josh there, and Taysam Hill. Damn. Damn. So all you have to do, guys, pick which one of those three will have the most points next week and the other two people that you don't pick will hate you forever and also pick one of those 10 items for the Astrid's list. Totally fair.

You'll have to eat mac and cheese if you don't get the straight. Literally like the greatest thing that's ever been. The stakes are very high. Mac and cheese is like what you feed to a picky child. Like Calvin won't eat anything except for spaghetti and mac and cheese. This is really funny. Pasta covered in shit is like the easiest meal

that you can serve people. Most of the time. I just want to say real quick. before I make a pick here. This is the first time I'm hearing the list from Astrid, so we're going to have to have some conversations. There's a lot of cheese on there. She's going to hear about that later.

Yes. Yes. What's the story with the green smoothie? There's something behind that, I feel like. I think, honestly, she was making the list last night, and I was just like, I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it because it'll make me sick. Astrid's out here like Michael Thomas. Like, she's trying to communicate with you,

like you're Chris Oliva, but she's just doing it as publicly as possible. I was promised they weren't that bad. they were that bad. They were pretty rough. Kai should power rank these in order of how little he wants to eat them on Wednesday. That's really good.

I think I'm going to go High Fitz. I think I'm going to go with the Taysam Hill Slant. Okay, so what happens if either Craig and I win, then we get to pick what you eat. Exactly. And I would say whoever wins, D.K., if you win, you get to choose. If I win, I get to choose.

That's good. What happens if I win? Nothing. Hyphitz, you get to eat mac and cheese if you win. It's a prize for you. I get to eat something that I like, like some popular. charts or something.

Yeah, just we'll get you a nice bowl of chipole of just white rice and chicken. Oh, it sounds great. Turkey sandwich with white bread. I had turkey sandwich with white bread for lunch. Not lying. That's what I had. We didn't think of it were. Still stuck in his throat.

Hopefully. While we're all here, stay here, Kai. We got an email from Ben. Ben. Hey, Danny's and Craig and Kai. Not sure if you saw, but Billboard recently named the top 100 pop songs of all time. imbop was number 61 ever in the history of pop music. Mbop.

Where was teenagers? On Billboard. Number one. Okay. Teenagers was number one. What was number one? Wait, let's guess. Do you want to guess?

Sorry. I would say one of them was whack. What's the list again? Top, the best pop songs of all time. I'm going to say number one is Thriller. Yeah, I was going to say Michael Jackson. Thriller was embarrassingly low. Thriller, they're wrong.

Thriller they should get the most shit for. Thriller was like nine behind like Call Me Maybe. by Carly Rape Jepson, which I remember thinking it was like the kind of thing you do to just like... That was definitely like an earworm, though. Kind of a bop. Are we putting... Call me maybe about thriller?

I'm not, but I'm just saying like... Oh, you know, I'm wrong. Thriller was set... No, Billy Jean was seven. Yeah. Thriller was like 10 or something. Pop song. Oh, so the highest Beatles song was I want to hold your hand,

which I kind of... That's interesting. I guess I wasn't there for the radio plays of the Beatles. Yeah, I was going to say, is there like a Britney Spears or like a boy band? Well, who was number one? I will say the... The one from our, like, childhood, my hint is a top five one is, is a American Idol person.

That's like the most recent. Kelly Clarkson? Yes. Since you've been gone was top five. That's interesting. Really? Top five all time? Backstreet boys had four.

I want it that way. Yeah. Which we discussed me. Yeah. And then the next three are, I think they got right. Which is the hints I'll give you are. Is it like the Beach Boys or something? Like older?

Sounds like they're staying more contemporary. Yeah. The top two were absolutely played at Craig's Wedding. Like black eyepiece or something Craig should get it right Craig should get it right It's my question Is it an ABBA song?

Yes Oh Oh it's either Dancing Queen or Mama Mia Dancing Queen is two And then number one if you want to Number one's good Number one's like a

Nobody dislikes this song Give us a hint We'll lead us in the right direction Yeah Solo female artists Madonna From before 2000 I know I thought about Madonna

But is it girls Just want to have fun Lopper Do you want more hints solo female artist pre 2000 you said oh bianz pre pre pre 1990 oh wow the song Debbie Gibson did somebody say girls just want to have fun I doubt's what I said that yeah no it's obvious it's like an A list person a list talent like national anthems and like you know has done everything

Whitney Houston oh is it like a Whitney Houston yes yeah yeah oh I want to dance somebody yes that's great that's it took us way too long to get there but that's That was played at my wedding. That is my buddies, like one of my buddies, Brian, one of his favorite songs. And every time that song comes on at any wedding, Skippy and I take a video and send it to him, which we did at your wedding, Craig. Oh, that's fun. How high is Taylor Swift song on the list?

Is it like, you belong with me, your love story? Oh, that's interesting. You know, it's, uh, I didn't even look. It's super bass, but Nikki Minaj at 13. What? That song is a good song. That song was big. When I was in, like, college, but like, can we clip Craig's reaction and just use that for stuff?

What? Like, you're super bases above Thriller? No, no, no, no, no. Actually, maybe. No, thrillers. Who did this, Rolling Stone? This is Billboard. This is just clickbait.

I was going to say, it's like Taylor Swift's cruel summer is number one. They also had, they had Hanson. They had, um, the other crazy one is they had Mbop ahead of teenagers by my chemical romance, which is crazy. Who is that? Only by a three, three hundred and his spots. Back to back with I Will Always Love You for Whitney Houston, which is hilarious. Yeah, that is good. That's just what you know.

It's funny because I know that the definition is just pop song, but like, I will always love you is just so sort of like slow and a little sad and stuff. And I just don't picture it as like a quote unquote pop song. I know it, I know that doesn't matter. That's fair. But. Oh my God. 15 is fantasy by Mariah Carey.

Hell yeah. Wow. Great song. Where's Tom? Also someone emailed, shout out of who emailed us this. We have not discussed the fact that we just. of power tomorrow, but we literally started playing Tom Tom Club, Genius of Love, because we couldn't

get the rights to fantasy. And now on Fandall TV, we can't get the rights to Tom, Tom, Club. It's the whole reason we got the song. Somebody. Somebody put us in contact with Mariah. All right. That's all we got. I kept we haven't ended the show already. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you to Hanson.

Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, Madonna. I could have swore Madonna was going to be like top three. What was her highest song? She's very high. She's very high. Like a prayer? Yes.

That was six. Okay, there we go. What about Chenade? What about Chenade O'Connor? Nothing compares to you as 87. Oh, 87. It's like Bill's Basketball Hall of Fame. You really need tears.

You know what song is good is? I like hung up. Hung up by Madonna's fun. Hung up. That was a newer song, 05. I'm not going to lie. Beatles. I want to hold your hand.

I don't think I would have put that in the, top, I mean, I guess I'm just wrong. Of the Beatles songs? I just, that's not the one I would have guessed, right? Can't really dispute it. Yesterday's 95. That feels backward. You're going to have to dive into this list. Listen to hung up. They sample, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme by aba. It's great. Okay. Craig, your love of abba has really made me a, like, converted me. It's made me a believer. Dude, at it somewhere someone has somehow made it this far to the episode is going

to a wedding this weekend and is in a brinal party. And if I have one, one piece of advice for you is if you get the ox, or the ox old, if you get to play music at any point, just put on, give me a man after midnight. It's called give me, give me, give me, give me. I always get that wrong. Give me, give me, give me. And just put it on for the prize bids. It was on my five must plays at my wedding.

I can still remember that one. What were the five most plays? It was, give me, give me. It was, man, I feel like a woman. That song goes so hard. Don't knock it. If you are in a bar and you are drunk with a bunch of people and man, I feel like a woman comes on. Let's go, girls.

When it hits, it's like a very, it does hit you hard. It hits you harder than you think. Oh, uh, oh. The opening five seconds to Shania songs are like the greatest opening five seconds so consistently. She knows how to grab you. Oh, my God. What else? That was only two or three?

To be honest, I can't remember what the other... I'm trying to think. Yeah, I don't know. I can't remember. Get back to me about it. All right. Well, on that lovely note, guess we'll end the show.

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