The Ringer NFL Show - Waiver Wire Targets for Week 10

Episode Date: November 8, 2022

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I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Corlebeck. We are going through our must-add players after week nine. If you don't know how this works, it's really simple. We each go, we give our number one player that we would add around 40-ish percent-ish rostered on ESPN or Yahoo. And if we pick the same player, we do a little tiebreaker. We do trivia. It's fun.

It's not that complicated. It's week 10 coming up. There's only four teams on buy, I suppose the six from last week. The Ravens, the Bengals, the Jets, and the Patriots are on by. Not that bad of a buy week. It's just Lamar and Borough quarterback and then mix it in Ramandre. Yeah, teams are winning records. But the offense is it's not that much collateral damage because like the Patriots are on by.

Okay, it's just Ramondry though. No one is Mac Jones. No one's playing these receivers. No one's playing Hunter Henry. Jets going by. How many of these jets receivers are you playing? You know what I mean? It's not that bad.

Having said that slim pickings on waivers this week, guys. It's ugly. It is ugly out there. Very, very ugly. injuries, not that many injuries, which is good. Josh Allen feels like the big one of this week, quarterback for the bills. He had this weird elbow injury.

I don't know if you saw the replay. He got hit at that really weird angle, and then like a throw lady, he was grabbing his arm. And it's a UCL, so it's like his owner collateral ligament. That's your funny bone, right? No idea. I don't know. I'm not a scientist, but like it happened to him rookie year,

and he missed like a month, but that's also what pitchers get with Tommy John. No one's ever explained to me why quarterbacks can get this and just play and then pitchers get it. And it's like, oh, we'll see them in like 18 months. Well, pitching is very different, right? Right. The mechanics of pitching, I think, is much more strenuous on the body than throwing a football.

Yeah. Weirdly, the mechanics are the same. It's just that, like, exactly the same. More like, but like they're just not trying to max out every throw. I don't, they're exactly the same. I don't know if that's right. Yeah, I'm actually reading from Edward Forrest, who does a bunch of really good stuff from fantasy points.

He says the mechanics are different. Different mechanism. Well, for the arm. Well, I'm talking about Tom House. Your hand is a completely different direction. Your hand is facing forward on a pitch. Your hand is facing sideways and open on, I don't know. Yeah, I guess for the elbow.

I'm just Tom House, who's the quarterback coach for like Brady and Breeze and all those quarterbacks, he always says that it's the same, but I think he's talking about, like, actually, what comes from your core and your legs? You're right. The funny thing is, right, after he got hurt, he threw a ball like 70 yards. Yeah, because there's a reason why pitchers constantly have elbow injuries and quarterbacks kind of never do. So they must be. Should he have done that?

Probably not. Should he have thrown the ball 70 yards after he's like, I wonder if one of these. Like when you throw your arm out skipping rocks and then you just immediately go back to throwing more? I've never done that. How bad would Josh Allen's injury need to be for him to actually miss time? I was thinking of this too. Because with all these injuries,

there's always areas of gray, right? Because it's like, I mean, I don't know what's going on there, but in pitching they have this conversation because if it's like partially torn, you can play. But the bills, not only are these Super Bowl favorites, but the weight on this team. Yeah. Like the bills have been so bad for so long,

and Josh Allen's like this messianic sports figure that I don't know how he could if he's allowed to play I feel like he's going to play through it. Like there's, it's more likely that they give him like a robot arm to play with in the playoffs than he doesn't play. Well, you know they do Tommy John, right?

They take it from like your leg, but I bet you could find 100 Bill's fans that would just give their UCL ligament to Josh out. It's like a go fund me but for elbow ligaments. Yeah, exactly. It's just hey. That wouldn't be hard.

anybody willing to donate? We can have a whole reality show in Buffalo. It's like a find-your match for who matches Josh Allen's elbow the best. It's like a business idea. This is like hinge, but for matching. By the way, is it messianic or messianic? I'm Jewish, so I'm like, you know what? I'm the wrong person.

Probably not the right. Messianic? I thought it was. I don't know. Whatever. I don't know. I've only seen it written. Aaron Jones is probably going to be fine.

But that's kind of been on the injury front. I don't know. We'll see. But we have to talk about the news of the day. This floored me. I actually thought I was dreaming when I saw it. The Indianapolis Colts fired head coach Frank Reich. That was kind of expected.

They suck. They replaced Frank Reich with Jeff Saturday, who is the new Colts interim head coach. Jeff Saturday was the longtime center for the Colts that paid Manning. He retired a decade ago. Jeff Saturday has been doing television. for ESPN on the morning for first take till like three days ago. He's a quote unquote consultant for the Colts. I think that means he just texts with Jim Ursay and their buds and they kind of look

alike. Jeff Saturdays never coached at any level. He was the head coach at a high school for a few years. And then he stopped during the pandemic. They were 20 and 16. Pretty average. They weren't even good. No, they were like four games over five.

So I saw, I don't know what you guys, I saw this. I just assumed that it was Jeff Saturday will assist in the coaching hiring. And then I saw that he was hired. It's like, oh, this is a great Nathan for you bit. Well, so that Colts, they have two former head coaches on their staff. So even if Jeff Saturday is, you know, nominally the head coach, he's not actually going to be the head coach, right? It's going to be John Fox and who else is it? No, he's the head coach.

Yeah, but like, what is he actually going to be doing every day? He will ostensibly be the head coach. Like, he won't actually be the head coach. I don't know. You know, it's like an arrested development when Job is in charge of the company? That's actually pretty good. I think the other thing that's interesting

about this whole thing is they don't have an offensive coordinator right now. They have literally no one on staff that's ever called an offensive play. No, so that has been going around. That's actually not true. What are they doing? The quarterback coach, Scott Milanovic,

it was much funnier when that was the case. Apparently he did call plays as an interim basis for the Jaguars for like a small amount of games. And he was, And he was the quarterback coach, was the head coach in the Canadian Football League like two years ago.

That's what they got. So is he their OC now? He has to be because he's the only one. Basically, I don't think they have one yet. Matt, right? I was watching Dan Orlovsky and Dekh, your good friend, Mina Kimes,

and on NFL Live, because like they all do television that Jeff Saturday. It was the most awkward meta segment I've ever seen on television where they're like, yeah, this guy who sits at this desk running this team and they're like,

is this a good idea? They're like, well, we love Jeff. and they just didn't know what to say. And then Orlovsky's like, is Matt Ryan going to have to call the plays? Like who even, it's not even like knowing the plays. They're like, you know how the NFL,

these different teams have different words for like things? Like they all call like a tight end or a route, different word. Like Matt Ryan's one of the two people in the building who even knows what things are called. Right. I mean, look, on one side of it, it's kind of exciting that it's not just a retread.

But on the other hand, it's just like a total slap in the face to everybody who's been like grinding their cocks off trying to like, you know, get to that level, you know, become a head coach. To borrow an Adam Levitts, this is an Adam Levitton comment, our expression. I love it. Also, Mike Rable was the one who said I'd cut my dick off.

Yeah, but like this, you know, obviously there's major implications here for the fact that they're kind of skirting the Rooney rule because they're bringing in someone from the outside. Even though it's an interim thing, there's some question over the legality of this, first all, which I don't know how the Rooney rule. I actually don't think the Rooney Rule does apply to interim head coaches. don't know, but I will say. But from someone from the outside, that's the question. So whatever, like, that's, he is an interim head coach, but they are going to have to go

through it. There's the specific league rules of the Rooney rule, et cetera, et cetera. But I think that there's two ways to look at this, and only two, honestly. One, it's really funny. Like, it's really funny that this happened and it's like Nathan for you a bit. And then as D.K. just mentioned, whether it not, I don't really care about the Rooney rule being literally applied so much, but the larger point is, Specifically, I think that this is a slap in the face to a lot of the black assistant coach candidates who have been passed over.

And also, quite frankly, a lot of blackhead coaches that don't get the second chance. And I think that what this proves so much is that a lot of these coaching decisions are about, or really just the owner gets to hire them. And fundamentally, the problem with diversity among the coaching who makes the NFL. It's like the NFL is in the league office can't actually tell owners who to hire. Owners get to hire who they want because they own the team. and we've seen over and over again, owners just sometimes just hire people that they know.

It's just cronyism. Yeah. Jeff Saturday worked for the Colts for like a decade and now he's going to run the Colts. That's it. And so obviously Jeff Saturday wouldn't be coached in the other 31 teams. And so I think that a lot of the times at this,

it's just a question of who gets the benefit of the doubt. Would a black player who had just played for a decade be getting the benefit of the doubt that they could run a team and be the leader of this organization? organization, maybe, seems probably not. Josh McCown had a very similar situation with the Texans, where the Texans ownership here at least wanted to hand the head coaching job,

the Josh McCown, who had like never even been in coaching. That makes sense on a certain level. He's been a backup quarterback forever, blah, blah, blah. But it's just the benefit of the doubt is overwhelmingly going to white players. And I can only imagine how, like, the Brian Floress is of the NFL feel. So this whole thing's very funny. It's also like very, very dark. Right.

Yeah. So. It's going to be extremely weird. They need to get an offensive quarter. The other thing, like, Hyvitz, like you mentioned, it's a slap in the face for all the coaches that have been grinding to get to that level, but especially people of color. And by the way, they fired their black offensive coordinator like a week ago,

and now they don't have an offensive coordinator. And they scapegoated Marcus Brady. It's like ridiculous. Yeah. And also, I have to pull this up. Roger Sherman wrote a great column for the, he writes winners and losers every week for the ringer's website. And Roger had some incredible stats about,

so they basically scapegoat Marcus Brady and just general workplace survival politics of like Frank Reich has to fight, he benches Matt Ryan, that's the first guard, and then he has to fire Marcus Brady, and if that doesn't work, he's fired. So he fires Marcus Brady. And the one game they had without Marcus Brady, this is astonishing.

The Colch managed two yards per play in a season where no other team has had under three yards per play in a single game one time. So they were two when no one else has been below three. And then in terms of net yards per pass, which is this yards per attempt and you take out the sack yards. Sam Ellinger was at one and a half net yards per throw. No other quarterback has been below three this year. So literally Sam Ellinger was gaining half as much yardage. as the next worst performance. This was the worst performance in years from the cults.

So Marcus Brady getting the short stick here. That's just the theme, right? Is this black coaches, black assistants getting, just not getting the benefit of the doubt in the situation. Exactly. This sucks. So I don't think you can cut Alec Pierce if you added him on waivers. Yeah, I mean, obviously from fantasy point of view,

everything that we talked about when Ellinger became the starter. This almost looks like a tank. Like this almost is like are they just tanking for Stroud? They're going to start Ellinger. They have no head coach who has no idea he's doing.

This team is just going to be. They should just sit Jonathan Taylor the rest of the season. Yeah. I think Jim Mursay, it's just, this is all emotional. This is very emotional. The Frank Reich,

you got to remember, Frank Rick was hired 20. I mean, they wanted to hire Josh. Also, the irony of, they wanted to hire Josh McDaniels. They had the press conference set up. Josh McDaniels backs out. They're playing the Raiders this week

and Josh McDaniels. Frank Reich steps in and then plays and then Andrew Luck retires on them. Right as Frank Reich shows up. And so the entire Frank Reich era was just this team just trying to do stopgap at quarterback, stop gap at quarterback, not trading up, trying to get, you know, Jacoby percent here, Philip Rivers there, Carson Wentz there, Matt Ryan here, just, you know, a series of half measures, as they say in Breaking Bad, and none of it works, but this whole time. And now they're playing Josh McDaniel. It's a very weird full circle for this team. Anyway. What a mess. You guys want to go through some waiver picks?

Yeah, that conversation is going to be more interesting than the waiver options we have this week. But yes, let's move forward. Yeah, talk about slim pickings. Should we have done one for the coaching candidates? I almost wish I thought of that. Could have just done like trivia. I wanted to find some Jeff Saturday-related trivia,

but if you two, it get up and one, we'll find one. Okay. Running backs for this week, it's probably the worst running back. I legitimately don't know who to pick here. Do you guys want to go first? first this time? I always go first. So to be clear, we always do this generally with in mind. If you have to pick

someone up and put them in your lineup this week, who would you do? I don't think there's any running back you should really do that with. If you're in a 10 or 12 team league, you had six playboy and buy it last week, you probably shouldn't. The one exception, Jeff Wilson, I think, is owned in like halfish of roster, so we're not going to include him for this. But if Jeff Wilson is available in your league, go get him, because he might just be the starting running back for the dolphins.

So, like, get Jeff Wilson. But we're assuming that Jeff Wilson's rostered in your league, however he's what easily like the best. guy. I'll just take Rashad White for the Bucks. I just sound like a broken record every week, but basically, if anything happens to Leonard Furnett, Rashad White's playing, and he's going to be the starter. And he's also kind of slowly creeping up and just looking better than Leonard

for Nett. He's getting as many touches. He's not necessarily playing as much. But the Bucs are also desperate. The Bucks are also kind of like not churning their roster, but churning their playing time in a way. I think they're more willing to give like younger guys reps. And I wouldn't be surprised if Rashad White gets more equal playing time to Lenny

for and soon, but again, it's just more that everything else is so rough. But Rashad White's more of a stash that you'd have to play than someone you'd want to play this week. I don't know if you guys have. Yeah, he's who I had first two. But it's like, yeah, he has a very low floor, like he's six points or something. Like below the Amendoza line or whatever, but yeah, he's not going to get you a zero most likely. And it seems like his, his usage has been ticking up a little bit week in and week out. Lennifer, not hasn't been extremely efficient by any standards. So, yeah, I think Rashide White would probably be the top guy here.

I maybe throw in, like, Latavius Murray coming off a buy. Latavis Murray, I wrote down and I just put him to the bottom because Latavis Murray is a three-man backfield coming off a by with the worst goal line team and the worst Red Zone team in the NFL against the Titans defense, which is like maybe the best run defense in the NFL. I'm just like, why? Why do that to myself? Yeah, that's fair. It's the worst crop of guys in a long time.

I mean, there are dudes who are injured. Like, there's Chuba Hubbard. We don't exactly know when he's coming back. There's Gus Edwards who's not going to play tonight. We don't think. But they're on buying this week. And the Ravens are going on by, yeah. You know, there's Kyron Williams on the Rams.

We don't exactly know when he's going to be playing. There's Jordan Wilkins. You know, Dion Jackson got hurt and didn't return in the game last week for the Colts. Jonathan Taylor's hurt. I suppose it both them are out. Well, in Jeff Saturday now, now that Jeff Saturday is in charge of this operation, I mean, I got to get my hands on that Colts back. field. So I'll go with

Rashad White too by default, but it's bleak. Jalen Warren, you know? Isaiah Spiller. I almost think we should be, I think that the real answer this week is none of these people should be being plugged in your lineups, more or less. It's like, you almost, like get more definitive explanations. Should we not even do trivia? Should we not even like, like? Well, I think we should almost do it

for stashes. Like, if you're going to add a running back, but you don't need to play them this week, it's like you just want them for the rest of the season to hold on. Like, would you do Rashad White or like Isaiah Pacheco, who I've liked for the chief a while. Basically, it was like if they named to the start of the week before the buy, and they wanted the buy, and then no chiefs running back to more than five yards last week,

or last night. I feel like you need to give them another week, though, just because the Titans defense was so good against the run. And Pacheco did get more carries than Clyde. It was literally one, but they're playing the Chargers in a couple weeks, and I'm like, and I'm like, oh, what if Pacheco does get the roll, and you cut him, and you held on to him?

And I'm like, but you can cut him. I don't know. These are all bad. Let's do a trivia because this is not very fun talking about these guys. You want to do it for who, Rashad White? Yeah. It is the Rashad White. Boring Showdown Time.

I want to go back to our roots right now. Okay. The first time we did Showdown Time was because we were like, where was Nick Foles born? And we all guessed different cities. And the whole thing emerged because we actually, it was like the exact same distance we had guessed. And so we had to figure out what, like, what part of town? Anyway. The lights went off for Craig.

Oh, I thought Craig was waving at him. So, all right. No, so Craig's just waving his arms in the Zoom. And I'm like, does he want to say something? It was the lights went off at the office. Spotify, being the environmentally friendly bastards they are. If you don't move in a room for a while, the lights go off to save energy. But that's annoying when I sit all day.

I think that's them saying, like, move on from the running back conversation. But to our roots, I'm going to go something, which is, so Jeff's out and he was the coach. of this high school football team. It was called, like, Hebron Academy or something. And I'm just gonna, I don't know where to, where did Jeff Saturday coach high school football. I know where.

It was in Georgia, right? Oh. Dacula, Georgia. Sorry, I could have pretended guys. No, I know. I appreciate it. Too bad. I could have pretended.

All right, fine. I won't do Jeff Saturday related truth. It was because I was going to try to be fun. In the ring or NFL slide, people were joking about that that they weren't the, like the vampires, like the Dacula vampires or something like that. How are they not the Dacula? vampires.

That's been such a missed opportunity. All right, fine. Let's do it from the list. Let's do trivia that non-sports related trivia. Come on. Is there a single sports team school organization anywhere with the, with the mascot vampires? Because that's awesome.

That would be real good. Who knows? This is a great question. This is from Seth. Seth. What is the official length? How long is a span? Like a time span?

Like a span of time. Like there's a real number. for how long a span of time is. According to who? I don't know. If I knew that, then I would have the answer. That's really hard because span is just tacked on to the end of so many words that have such different, you know, relationships with time.

There's lifespan. There's... Well, there's also a question of how long is a moment. Would you prefer how long as a moment? Let's do both. Wow. I want to know what a span is. So there's an official definition for how long a span is.

apparently. Wow, this is really hard. I'm going to go 26 years. Wait, we're going span or moment? Span, not moment, obviously. Well, if people say lifespan, did they just attribute that word to life just because it makes sense? But I feel like you wouldn't say lifespan if it was 26 years.

I don't know. I'm going to say 10 years. Craig, say 86 years. Well, no, because then it's like, why would somebody invent a word that just met like 90 years? That doesn't make any sense. I feel like it's got to be short. I'm going to say one year.

Probably like an hour. I just assumed it was time and it said nine inches is the end. What? We're having terrible up today. I don't even know what we're doing. So who won there? I said 10.

I think we were lost this point. We were trying to guess or like we should have just said orange. Like we were so far up. No one wins. What? That's the theme. Okay, let's do a moment. How long is a moment?

Are we talking seconds? We'll do that for the next one. Okay, so who won? No one won. No one wins. We're just moving on to moment. It's all made up with the points that matter. Wide receivers.

The Ravens are going by, but keep an eye in Devon to Vernet just because Rashar Babin's out for the season. See what happens with him on Monday football. We're recording this Monday afternoon. I chose Donovan People's Jones for the Browns because he's just been weirdly consistent. He's an insanely talented athlete. Wow.

Craig's wow. Who'd you pick? Wow. Oh, Donovan People's Jones. No, I chose Michael Gallup. Yeah, you can keep them. It's weird to me that the Cowboys are interested in O'Dell Beckham. And I think that the fact that they're even like trying to court him

suggest to me that they're not satisfied with Michael Gallup. I have O'Donnell next on my list. Oh, okay. Well, we'll talk about, yeah, we can talk about O'Dell. I also had Donovan Peebles Jones. What? So he has had a almost 20% target rate this year. And he's been like remarkably consistent for us never talking about.

about him. He hasn't had less than, Donovan People's Jones has not had less than 50 yards since week three. He just has very low target share and to me it's like, I mean,

I like Donovan People's Jones. I guess I don't know why I'm arguing against this, but he gets like four or five targets a game. He's not like really, he's just been very efficient. Here's the thing. He's the rare guy who's consistent that's an insane athlete.

And I know we always say, well, they're athletic, they're in the NFL. But they've, they've something called burst score, which is, it's just simple.

It's just your vertical jump at the combine. added to your broad jump distance at the combine, he's in the 100th percentile for burst score, which is pretty good. So it's weird that he's also just very consistent. So I just like that he hasn't scored yet, but I feel like that's going to change soon. So again, it's all weird, Donovan People's Jones.

Who's your first one, Craig? Gallup. Yeah, that's fine, too. You guys still not buying the Terrace Marshall hype train? I had him on. Okay. I had him next. I had him as well, Terrace Marshall.

Yeah, sure. I just watch the Panthers lose by 40 points. Sure. And it's like, cool. You know, true. I don't, they're also, the Panthers are also playing Thursday night football. And I feel like these guys are probably like injury replacements for people.

And it's like, are you going to play Terrace Marshall on Thursday? Then you have to put them at your receiver spot. It feels weird. Anyway, you want to fight over how long a moment is for Donovan People's Jones, D.K.? Sure. I'm going to say five minutes. Five minutes? I didn't even do the thing.

Oh, so we're all discombived with you today. Craig, go for it. D.K., now I'm going to take my time here. You can think what you want to do. Take a moment. He's going to say five minutes. It is the Donovan People's Jones Showdown time. Okay, so I have it said five minutes.

A moment. A simple moment. Ten seconds. Wow. How many people have emailed us and been like, why don't you guys just write these on a whiteboard or text each other? Or text. Yeah, the texting is a good idea.

There's an awful lot of just, stubbornness that this is how we've been doing it and why change now. So Hyattvitz says five minutes, DK says 10 seconds. Eileen, DK. The answer is 90 seconds. Nice.

So DK's closer, but I got the right order of magnitude. Either way. What? Sure. Someone said that, remember, my God,

now we're just all over the place. Remember when we were like, how far is the car that Elon Musk launched into space? How far is that from Earth now? And I said like 200 million, And I got ridiculed for guessing that it was further away than the sun is. Yeah. And it was.

And we were like, oh, Craig's wrong. But like Craig was right. I forget how. No, we saw Craig was right. He was actually wrong. He was definitely the furthest away. But spiritually, he was probably correct. Because I was the guy who gets the furthest distance.

You guys had a very conservative guess. And in reality, the answer was in the middle. But it was still very fucking far away and way farther than you thought. A moment is 90 seconds. That doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. Take a moment. Take a moment to think about it.

That doesn't mean 90 seconds. It's like if no one knows that, then obviously it's no longer true. It's a contraonym. Like we're talking about how literally means figuratively and literally. 10, 20 seconds to me is a moment. Yeah. Why don't you peruse the definition of a moment?

To me, it's like if you're standing in line for the bathroom at a bar and you kind of meet somebody and you lock eyes, maybe say a sentence or two, 10, 20 seconds. That's a moment. You're just like, if you're going to go up and give a speech and someone says, oh yeah, just take a moment to, like, gather yourself.

You're not spent a 90 seconds sitting there thinking, it's going to be 10 seconds, tops. So we should change the definition to. That's 10 seconds. The definition in Marion Webster for a moment should be 90 seconds or however long you think a moment was. I just feel like the way the moment is used in common language does not match with the definition.

Yeah, perhaps we've hijacked and manipulated the definition over time, but it's 10, 15 seconds. I agree with that. All right. So there's receivers we've talked about before at length. We can hit them quickly. But there's Darius Slate and Wondale Robinson coming back to the Giants. You go with them if you want.

Boring, boring. But like, sure, they've got the job done. The Jaguars Joneses, boring, they'll get the job done. Marvin Jones Jr., Zey Jones, playing the Chiefs shootout. You know what they are. They exist. They might get you a touchdown. Maybe you'll get lucky.

I want to talk about Odell Beckham as a stash. Odell is going to come back. At first, it was going to be November. Then it was going to be December. Now it's November again. Apparently, word on Adam Schaefter's Twitter timeline. It's going to be Odell will be cleared medically very soon, maybe this week. And then he's considering four teams.

Basically, it's the four teams that could make the lefts. The bills, the Packers, the Cowboys, and the Giants. Those are the four teams Odell is considered. What do the Chargers have to do? You know what I mean? What do the Chargers have to do to get it on these sweepstakes? The Packers? I know.

The idea of Odell Beckham having played in, like, New York, hating Cleveland and then Los Angeles and going to Green Bay kind of seems funny to be. A terrible Green Bay team. This team's not going to make the playoffs. I don't know why would he go to Green Bay? That makes no sense.

The Giants, I think it's just to be nice and they started hot and he visited the building and it was like the Lannin Collins and it was cool. I'd be kind of stunned. I don't even know what I would do with myself if he went back to the Giants.

This feels like a Cowboys and Bill's sweepstakes or Adele Beckham. Totally. It's, Odell Beckham feels like a cowboy, right? It's surprising he hasn't been the Cowboys yet. It feels like this is the final act of his career is to be a cowboy and embrace his inner Terrell Owens. And here's the thing. He's coming off this ACL, but he was going to be the

MVP of the Super Bowl, probably, until he got hurt. So, D.K. Yeah, I mean, he's 30 years old. He just turned 32 days ago. He's not young anymore, but he can still contribute. If, let's say that Odell is healthy and let's just say he's going to sign with one of these things. Let's say it's not, let's say it's, Schaefter tweets in three days that he's eliminated. He's going to sign him. it to the bills and the Cowboys. And let's say Josh Allen's healthy. How excited would you be for Odell? Do you think that he is league winning potential

and you're adding like Odell the same way that it's like a notch below how you just got DeAndre Hopkins back two weeks ago and now he's like a top six receiver? Or is that ridiculous to expect with Odell who's like sneakily almost? He's like 30 now and coming off of torn ACL. I just said that.

Yeah. I just said it was 32 days ago I don't know to be honest with you if he signs with the bills I would be pretty excited if he signs with the Cowboys I would just be like

that's fine I'm not going to get too excited it's not a sexy fantasy wise if he's on the Cowboys Right I would be expecting something similar to what he was doing with like the Rams last year where basically touchdown or bust

and maybe he does score touchdown a lot who knows but if he was with the bills that's where I'm starting to get really excited because honestly, as much as we love Gabe Dave on this podcast, like Gabe Dave has not been consistent or reliable whatsoever. Isaiah McKenzie, I think, is just a role player. He's not, you know, he's not really doing much.

He kind of like, I think he's gotten away with being in starting a line by scoring a few touchdowns, but like, honestly, I don't know if he's played all that well. And so like if he was, if he went in and it was the number two behind Step Diggs, I'm pretty excited about that. Yeah, I think that he's actually kind of. of perfect and like I kind of think he could take the Isaiah McKenzie spot on this team like because I feel like he's Gabe Dave is sneaky big like he's not like

6-5 or anything but I feel like he plays very physically and then he just just wish he could catch better. Yeah. Honestly. But like I don't know. I think O'Dell would fit in pretty well. I worry if the bills would kind of use him more for like a Super Bowl run. But I do think about how we kind of rode off O'Dell ending up with the rims last year and they just caught five touchdowns in a row. I don't know what to make of any of this. You know what I mean? I think he's like one of those guys it's worth stashing him

right now and seeing how it all goes. But that's as far as I go. I'm not going to be super stoked about it, but I think he is worth stash. At the very least, when you get him back, and if he comes back and there's all these like pregame hype videos

of him making these weird crazy catches with a cool visor and cool cleats in like a Bill's uniform and Josh out, like someone will trade for him from you if your trade deadline head not passed by that point. Like someone will do it. He'll be worth it.

Yeah. Tight ends. So we're recording this on Monday afternoon. We don't know. I feel like the biggest tight end news to drop. Mark Andrews is her. Isaiah likely. We'll see.

Hopefully he was incredible. If you're listening to this on Monday night, we don't know. Ravens are on by next week. If Isaiah likely is like amazing tonight, probably worth picking up Isaiah likely, even though he's on buy next week if he's still available. But other than him, we're not going to account him for this. I took Greg Dulcich first for the Broncos

because he's the only weirder that has any chemistry of Russell Wilson. I don't know why. I don't know what's going on the Greg Dulcich that him and Russell Wilson are on the same page but I think that that's the guy you want.

He's the only guy young enough to not know who Russ is and know his real personality. That's definitely it, Craig. He's like, this guy works hard. Why does everybody hate on this guy? He's a rookie and it's like

you're new at the office and you're like, you don't know whoever else thinks is weird so you're just kind of like getting to know everybody joke for a long time and see him.

Why is this guy eating lunch alone every day? I'll go to him. Honestly, in Seahawks' Twitter, this was kind of like a running joke for a long time. Like, the Seahawks eventually had to like get rid of all the Seahawk haters in the locker room. Like slowly but surely over the years, they got rid of Richard Shervin, Doug Baldwin retired. They got rid of Marshaun Lynch, Percy Harvin, Golden Tate.

Like, they had to purge the team of all the Russell Wilson haters and bring in a guy like Tyo Lockett who just loves whoever. And D.K. McKaff, who was just happy to be catching touchdowns kind of deal. Well, they couldn't let D.K. McK. McK. F. talk to the old receivers. because they didn't want him to know all the stories. Yeah. But yeah, I put Greg Dulcich also. Long story short. All right.

So, wow, Greg Dulcich showdown time coming up here. It is the Greg Dulcich showdown time. Woo! What an honor for Greg Dulcich. You guys seen his hair? Great locks. Just Kenny G. Weird Al Yankovic.

Oh, yeah, big time Kenny G vibes. He's been good, man. And he played with Brett Rippie in one game. Rippin. Sorry. What? Oh, this is a cool question. This was Seth again. Seth's set a spreadsheet.

Sad. They were all like, the hit rate was really good. In days. Thank you for specifying the unit. In days. We need that. Orange. We're a bit dim here.

How long is to take one drop of water to travel down the Mississippi River? It's a great question. This is an impossible question. These are getting worse. These are getting more and more obscure. and difficult to answer. It used to just be like, I don't know, how old is? How tall is a tree?

How old's Willie Nelson? We'd be like, hmm, 86? And now it's like, how many atoms are in the universe? Yeah, I guess we could get more normie questions. It's probably my fault for talking up how much I love that, how much a cloud weighs. No, these got a bunch of these. The second the cloud question came in, all hell broke loose,

and everybody started getting really abstract. I want to go back to like, yeah, like I don't know. How heavy was the first car? Not everyone give us Jeff Saturday questions, but I want to, I want a couple. Should we have just done how old is Jeff Saturday? We should have just done that. So wait, how many, God, how many days does it take a drop of water to travel down the Mississippi River? Should we take that person up, whoever emailed us and text one another, our answers?

Yeah, we can text the answers. In days. We all type them out in the send and then we send it at the same time, though. I am just petrified of what I'm about to type in. I'm not sure if I'm going way high or way low. Okay, I'm ready to go.

Do you have to type you? Yeah, I'm ready. All right, three, two, one, send. I said 10 days. D.K said 27. Craig said 1,000. days. Oh my God.

Did you accidentally hit a few extra zeros there? Did your keyboard get stuck? Guys, I started at 100. I went up to 5,000 and then I came back down to 1,000. A thousand days. I hope it's a thousand so much. Oh, my God. No, the answer is 90.

I win. No, I didn't know. I should have given you the chance to change it based on the answer. I win prices right-wise, though. So I'm going to hold on to that. No, you don't. You went over. days.

Oh, yeah. Went over by a lot. You lost prices right. I don't watch that show. It's for old people. Oh, my God. Okay. So I put 27, so I'm closest.

That's so funny. Craig, by this metric, should have to pick like seven tight ends down on his list. Well, it doesn't matter who I pick. They'll score more than Kyle Pitts. I'll be funny. Luke Farrell.

That's who you're picking. I'm between cold combat. And Kate Otten, I think those are the easy two ones. Cole Commet is on the Bears, and they're playing the Lions this week. And Colcomat, after I loved them preseason, finally did something. I think I'd take Kate Otton, though, because they're playing the Seahawks, and I kind of still think KDotton and the Bucks. And then Kadaun's actually been pretty good for Top Brady.

The Bucs throw a hell of a lot more. Yeah, that's the thing. So I'm going to go with KDaten. Yeah, I'll go with KMett, I guess. That's your guy hype. It's never wrong just early. Oh, my God. Never wrong just early.

baby. It only took you till November. Another guy I thought about briefly, because, I mean, Commet before last week is getting like two, three targets a game. The only guy was kind of poking around in the fantasy world at Titan. Noah Fant has, like, not been

horrible. He had a really big play this last game. Noah Fant had that play where he ran, it felt like he ran for like 60 yards or 40 or whatever. And it just reminded me of like, how is he not good? I don't understand anything. He is good.

What happened to Noah Fan? Noah Fan, I feel like that first year in Denver was touted as like the next big athletic tight end who was like going to be in our lives for the next decade

and then he got traded to Seattle and everyone's like, oh, they threw a Noah Fan because he sucks. And it was like, what? I thought no fan is good. Yeah, I think he is good. He's talented.

Number one, he's on a team that he's talented. He's actually used three tight ends. He's just never going to get the volume need. I just feel like the perception around Noah Fan changed. without any explanation as to why.

Noah Fan has had, my question is, yes, he's talented. That's what I'm saying. Like, he caught that ball and he ran very fast. And when I'm like, I think he's faster. Like when I was talking about Isaiah likely last week, I was like, I think he's better than the open field than all but like nine tight ends. And I remember that there are bad tight ends like Noah Fant that are actually very talented, but don't do anything.

And I don't know. It's like how, Noah Fant right now, he has had more than like 80 yards in a game. like three times in the last three seasons, how is this possible? Like when he has the ball, I'm like, he's like the fastest tight end of the NFL. Yeah,

well, he's been catching passes from a disastrous crew, I mean, in Denver. I mean, he's averaging 650 yards a year and around 65 catches. Like,

that's not that's bad. That's not bad. Yeah. You know, it's funny, it's like, I know that this is not as easy as it sounds, but every time we watch Sunday,

and it's, we're adding Chiefs game, but especially Sunday, football. They always talk about Travis Kelsey and because he played quarterback in high school, he just gets the zones and he can just read a defense as soon as the defense drops back. I know it's

not that easy to do, but like, how, why can't they just teach other players to do that? You know what I mean? Like, what if Noah Phant could do that? He's faster than Travis. Because it's a knack. It's a knack, high sense. You can't just teach someone a knack. I know. I just wish Noah Phant would get the ball more. That's all.

Quarterbacks, obviously, if Justin Fields is available, We'll get Justin Fields. Like, you know, you don't need us to tell you that. If you need a stream, because, again, Lamar and Burrow are on by, and we'll see if Josh Allen plays. Daniel Jones, if he's available, he's playing the Texans this week, I'm a little worried this is a trap game for the Giants.

But if he's around, Daniel Jones, they had to buy it last week, so who knows what Brian gave up with. If it says giant cynicism is just never going to go away. No, it's not, like, guarded optimism, because they got the Texans and then, like, the Lions. Ooh. And then they have, like, four divisional games in a row, including Cowboys and Thanksgiving.

You definitely lose one of those games. I know that's the thing, right? Because it just feels too good to be true. Because if they get 8 and 2, and then they play like, it's like Washington Eagles, Cowboys, Washington again or something. And I'm like, man, 8 and 2 going into that would be nice. But it feels too good. Anyway, Jacoby Brissette is playing the Dolphins.

I'm not saying Jacobi Prissette's cool, but like every Dolphins game just seems to be 35 to 30. You know what I mean? Marcus Maroto is playing the Panthers. And I'm not even saying that that's exciting. I just feel like the Panthers got, we're down 42-0-0-half-time last week. I'm not saying the Falcons are the Bengals or anything.

Jimmy Garabolo is playing the Chargers at home. That one as well. And they're coming off by. So there's options this week. I think there's like, you know, things you can stomach. Defensively is actually a lot of good streamers. If anyone drop the Broncos, go get the Broncos defense. The Broncos defense is insanely good.

I know they just traded away Bradley Chub, but like get the Broncos if anyone dropped. They're playing the Titans. And as you saw last night, Titans, they can't pass. Whether it's a hobble, Tana Hill, or Malik Willis, whatever, get the Titans. And then also get the Titans defense because they're playing Denver,

and I don't care that the Broncos were on by. Like, the Broncos are disgusting on offense. They cannot move the ball. And so Titans defense, very good. Broncos defense is good. Either offenses are bad, get either of those. And then obviously, this is maybe the recommendation of the week. The Raiders are playing the Colts, man.

The Colts just fired Frank, right? Yeah. They fired Marcus Brady. We're talking about the quarterbacks coach who was in the CFL two years ago as like the only coach who probably knows all the plays by name

and that's probably not true but like actually like if talking about where do they keep the play sheet he's probably the only one who even knows where it is so it's pretty good and also again Sam Ellinger worst quarterback for instance of the year last week

who like shows Jeff Saturday like his office and where things are how's that work who's the person who's like so this is where your desk is like this drawer it's probably Jim Ursay it's probably the owner man

Jim Ursa also he probably knows where it's but yeah it's Jimers I was gonna say he played there for 10 years or whatever so yeah that'll help I mean knowing like where all the coaching stuff is

like his office like where all the paperwork is like here's the like the play sheet here's the all the depth chart information here's the contract stuff like who's the one actually showing him all that stuff

probably some operations person But you know what's funny? It's like, because it's just like a big building. And it is just like an office with football stuff. And it's probably, how many times you think he's going to hear the joke? Like, oh, he's like, yeah, still know my way around. Like, you know? Like riding a bike.

Still now where the good bathrooms are. You know what I mean? Oh, stop. And grabs. Yeah. Remember that time the cults hired their player who've been retired for a year for a decade? He could have made it all the way down the Mississippi River in the time he'd been retired. A thousand days?

A thousand days. Yeah. I guess it's only, yeah, three trips. Also, wait. Question. The Giants. Go ahead. I was going to ask a question about the drop of water, so here's probably more important.

Craig, how long do you think the Mississippi River is? Very long? Clearly very long, D.K. It is very long. It is super long. Giants defense is also playing Houston. And then the Jets defense, if anyone was dropping them, I would have the Jets.

This is by defensive thoughts. D.K., how many miles do you think the Mississippi River? is. I don't know. It's 1,200. It's 2,300. 40. So a mile a day, or about two miles a day to that water. To be honest, that doesn't even sound that crazy to me, but. So you're saying the water and the river's going at like a half mile an hour, or no, two miles an hour? No. I don't know. Way less than that. The math ghosts are just blowing a gas gas down there right now. while, wait. Mike, the question was just

want to fucking ring our next right now. I was like, how many zip codes are there? Like, well, there's five digits. So there has to be like 10,000.

It's like 100,000, you idiot. How do we know? How do we know how long it would take a drop of water to get down the Mississippi River? How can we know that? They tagged the drop. And they put it.

Yeah. How do we know? Like a shark. They just put the tag. Yeah. They told us and that's, and then we believed it, Craig.

That's all. This is. Prove it. Prove them wrong. Just, I don't know. There's an old Brian Regan joke. Do you guys know who Brian Regan is, stand-up comic? He's like...

Well, you just told me so now, yeah. Jesus Christ. I know who that is, yes. Okay, so one of his jokes is like, what's something anyone from telling us what the whales are saying? Like, here's what he's like essentially like, here's what the whales are saying. Okay, thanks.

Like, how are you going to prove him wrong? Like, I guess did they just put something in the Mississippi River and see how long it took for it to float to the, the end? A little like a paper boat. A little rubber duck? Like how do, like, is that equivalent to a drop of water? Does it have to be something with the same volume as a drop of water? I just,

I'd love to know. Well, on that note, I live in Washington, D.C., and I was washing, I was washing, I was walking by the, the Potomac River over the weekend. And you're talking about, like, how much, how do you actually measure how high the river is? Like, how do they actually do that?

It's like so much more complicated that. I thought, they, apparently they measure how much pressure it takes to put like an air bubble into the bottom or something.

And the, like the pressure on the bubble is how much they tell based on how much water is, you know what I mean? And it was like, wow.

I can't just like make a mark. Yeah, though they just had some big stick. Interesting. Not as easy as I thought. Did you guys know that Mark Twain is like a depth of water? What?

Yeah, Mark Twain, not his real name. Oh, so the odds of you bring up Mark Twain, and it didn't involve the Mississippi was the upset. Anyway, I think that's all we got. We're going off the rails here. Wait, what? Mark Twain, because he writes about the Mississippi River. Yeah, I know. That was the connection, but you're saying that the odds of me bring it up were...

But you didn't relate it to the Mississippi specifically. Got it. Okay. He's an upset. Well, that's implied, but yeah. I just want to know who's true. following that drop of water for 90 days. All right.

Thank you, Craig. Thank you to everyone email. Email us trivia at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. We can have more. Normal trivia. Normal trivia, folks. No more how far did Elon Musk car go into space? We don't need. No more like how many, how many like, you know, farts have been farted into the history of the world.

We can't be doing that. Yeah. Oh my God. What is the volume of methane gas that has been farted into the world? None of that. Actually, no. Send that one. Thank you.

Thank you, Jesse Lopez for production help. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, big timers. I don't know who that is, D.K., who are the big timers? I mean, like a rap group. Look up Still Fly. Oh, okay, yeah.

It's a good song. I actually did a Peloton. Still Fly, actually, this week. Nice. That's the whitest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, it is. It's so white. I was thinking that on the ride.

There's a Peloton, like, there's a Peloton. Like, there's a Peloton, like, There's a Peloton Wu Tang, and they're doing it to, like, the opening of Method Man. And in Simon, it's like, and all the women in the studio are just, like, very, like, white, middle-aged white women. And the intro, it's explicit. And the intro to the, like, the song, Method Man is, you know, it's just 90 seconds if it's like, I'll fucking, I'll beat your balls with a screwdriver with a bat with nails in it. And it's like, all these women in the studio are like, this.

is very strange. I don't know what's happening. I just picture hyphids on a bike and some white woman's like, you're still fly, Danny. Keep it moving. Shout out Rob on our zone. That was awesome. That was awesome. Oh, my God.

The imagery. Hyvins on a bike. Let's it in to still fly. God, that's good. Oh, that'll keep me going. But that's okay. Got a quarter to take a gas. Can't pay my rent because all my money spent. Hype, it's going up.

Can't pay me. Should I say goodbye today, how the Peloton instructor say goodbye? Please do. All right. Thank you, everyone. I hope you enjoy your day. And remember to take this power that you've earned. here today and you spread it. And don't you forget, you're in charge today. Thank you.

Namaste. It cuts to Haifitz. An hour later, just hunched over in his couch watching football for the next nine hours. Bye, everyone.