The Ringer NFL Show - Waiver Wire Targets for Week 15

Episode Date: December 13, 2022

We run through the injuries from Week 14 and offer up our must-add players for Week 15 with our favorite format, Showdown Time. (03:01) - RB Targets (14:01) - WR Targets (23:20) - TE Targets (29:06) - QB & DEF Streamers Check out our Weekly Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hi Fitts, I am joined by Just Craig Rolbeck. D.K. is still sick from the Seahawks, losing of the Panthers this week. So, Danny Kelly's not here. It's just Craig and I. How you doing, Craig?

I'm doing great. D.K. heard us on Sunday night and was like, you guys are too good together. I actually don't think I should come back. We're like, we get it. Our chemistry is undeniable. So it's just a duo now. So it's all right.

RIPD.K. I changed my name to Danny, by the way. I mean, Danny Orellbeck, it runs. It just slides off the tongue. We're going to go through our must add players after week 14. and again, here's how this works. We're going to position by position,

so running back receiver, Ted, and, you know, the positions. We each gave our number one guy we would add, and then if we pick the same player, we do a stupid trivia thing as a tiebreaker. It's like waiver, so we'll go through all the players we like. You'll get it. Not that complicated. No buy weeks.

It's the fantasy playoffs. Either playing for playoffs or avoiding a toilet bowl, whatever, hopefully coming first. Definitely hope you don't come and last. Whatever. Obviously, everyone's in a bus win situations. No buys, but a lot of people are hurt. Russell, Clinton, Kenny Pickett,

concussion protocol. The Ravens are down to two quarterback. Debo has a high ankle spring for the Niners. Tyree Kale was in it out on Sunday night. DJ Moore has a ankle issue. I don't know what's up. There's a bunch of things going on. So we'll get to all those.

Start it running back. Craig, you want the honors or should I? You want us to go first here? You can go first. So if they're available, like the Zonovan Knight for the Jets is out there, I would go get him, but in our world we're going to pretend like that guy's rostered.

Among like the players who were like vaguely out there, I kind of feel good about ish, about two people, and then very not good about everyone else. I agree. Two and a half people. So Jerich McKinnon for the Chiefs and Gus Edwards to the Ravens. I mean, I can just be basic and go with Jerich McKinnon because he's like a top three running back over the last two weeks.

So I'll just go to Jerich McKinnon. But honestly, I'm between him and Gus Edwards to the Ravens. I went with Gus because I think he's more dependable and I can count on his usage. Jerich McKinn is kind of like the siren in the Greek myth. Like, he had a great game, but it doesn't necessarily make me think that there's any reason for that to happen again? It was like, I mean, you saw his 150-yard touchdown

was Mahomes like underhanding a pass over a guy's head. You don't think that's sustainable? I don't think that's sustainable. Although Mahomes does that pretty much every third game. But I went with Gus. I mean, they're also playing the Texans next week, right? The Chiefs are playing the Texans. And McKinnon usually plays a lot more when the games are close.

I mean, the Texans almost beat the Cowboys. It could be a huge shootout, right, between the Chiefs and the Texans. Yeah, well, I can't wait to see what the line is. Is Vegas learned? Is the line going to be like 15 and a half still? I don't know. What are you up to, Vegas? Wait, actually, we should check.

So the bigger the line, the more we should be like, okay, this isn't going to happen. It's got to be, I mean, 14? 14. Oh, it is actually 14 on the nose. Yeah, so to your point, yeah, it's obviously McKinnon's like sexier because you just, I feel like all the platforms automatically sort by most points last week and McKinn's there. But the reason I'm on the fence is exactly what you said, because on one hand, Gus is like the backup again to J.K. Dobbins.

On the other hand. But it's like 1A, 1B. It's not really backup. They're playing the Steelers who suck against run D. The Ravens are playing the Browns this coming week. And the Browns run defense sucks.

I know we keep saying that the Seahawks are like this awful run day. The Browns are probably the worst run defense in the NFL. Yes. And they're actually, I mean, it's not quite fantasy points, but expected points added,

which is like the nerd's good stat. Yeah. The Browns actually are one of the worst run defenses through 14 weeks of the last 20 years. Like in the 21st century, the Browns are bottom five run defense by EPA.

through this point the season, which is kind of crazy. Also, the Ravens are on the third quarterback. What are they going to do? They have to run the ball. They literally have to give Gus Edwards 10 carries in this game. Yeah, I agree.

And I spoke earlier. I said they were playing the Steelers this week. They played the Steelers last week, and they look good. And importantly, I think the goal here is the Ravens need to get back to, if they can. I think they want to do this.

If everyone's healthy, they will go back to just the two-headed backfield of Edwards and Dobbins. They honestly almost split carries this week. Dobbins at 28, Edwards had 21. So if you can maintain that split, Edwards is not really a backup. He's kind of in between starter and backup.

What you mean carries or snaps? Snaps. I know that's not quite, you know, I know that doesn't mean the same thing, but like he was on the field for almost the same amount of time Jake Dobbins was on the field. If he can be the 1B,

I think it's valuable, especially on this Ravens team right now. As you said, JK Dobbins keeps running like he's Greg Jennings in that Madden video. He just, every JK Dobbins run is kind of like, also what happened in saying

I'm not going to come back to him 100% healthy. He comes back. and after the game, he's like, yeah, I'm not really myself yet. I'm like, okay, so why did you come back? I don't know. Everything J.K. Dobbins has said this entire year has just been incorrect. Well, all right, I'm going to, I'm cowerding out.

Honestly, I wanted Gus Edwards, and then I was a little scared that you were going to take McKinnon, and I was going to regret it, but now it's the opposite. I took McKinnell and I want Gus Edwards, so I'm changing my name. I want Gus Edwards. Okay, we'll do trivia time then. I think it's important to note because I think if you're actually talking about, I have to play this person this week. Like, I'm quoting this person in my fantasy line up.

I feel better about Gus Edwards getting like a dozen carries against the worst run defense in the league. Like I just, I would rather do that and be like, I'm going to get at least eight points. At the very least, it's nice to know that the running back you're starting could get like a goal line snap at the one. That's not going to be McKinney. Yes. So, all right. So we'll fight over Gus Edwards and I'm excited for Jerich McKinnon just be the number one running back again. All right.

So is it the Gus Edwards showdown time? It's so much more depressing that it's just you and I know. It is the Gus Edwards showdown time. When it's just two people on Zoom Putting their hands up, it doesn't do. I feel really stupid now that it's just me. All right.

Doing jazz hands alone. That's really easy for me to cheat. This is from Alec. Alec. It was really underwhelming. Can we get like an Alex? Alex. Yeah.

And that's like when the standup comes out and he's like at an open mic and he's like, how's everybody doing tonight? And then like three people clap. He's like, I said, how's everybody doing tonight? Nobody likes that guy. but that was you right there. Well, you're stuck with me now.

All right, Alex says I started cracking up today at my commute when at the end of Tuesday's episode, Craig said he would kill to look like Richard Gere in American Gigalose. So the question is, how many times has Richard Gear died in movies? Oh, wow, interesting question. Well, I haven't seen that many Richard Gear movies, and I don't think I've ever seen him die in one. Do you want to just say it out loud,

or should we still do the texting? I'm texting. Okay, hold on. Should we do it in the text with D.K., just so he can see random numbers come in and get. get confused in his flu state. Oh, yeah, that's actually pretty funny. Yeah.

That's actually pretty good. All right. Three, two, one. All right. I said three and you said six and the answer is 12. Wow. That man's been actor.

He's died in 12 movies. All right. Well, fine. You get Gus Edwards after all. All right, so I guess I get Jared McKinnon. Nice. Well, there we go. Again, yeah, I don't love the Jared McKinnon thing.

It's just like he scored a lot of points and I guess you should add that person. Now the Clyde's on IR and they're using him. If those guys are gone, though, it's tougher. Yeah, I said there was two and a half guys I like because it was Edwards, it was McKinnon. And the half was Chuba Hubbard,

who, again, like Gus Edwards, is not really the starter at running back, but gets a lot of carries because the Panthers run the shit out of the ball. He had 17 carries last week, and they are playing the Steelers this week, who got gasped by Dobbins and Edwards. So Chuba's actually getting a lot of work

for a guy who's not the starter. So I don't think that's the worst option either. Yeah, it's true. I feel weird about Chuba because he had the touchdown this week, but I feel like I didn't Deonti Foreman get like the three goalin carries. and then Chuba got like the fourth and he's the one who punched it in.

Chuba had 14 carries this week and 17 last week. Like it's hard to argue with that. It's fine. I feel like all the guys out there are kind of the same thing. It's like we're hoping that they turn like 10-ish carries into a touchdown. And it's like you could say that but Chuba,

Tyler Algier for the Falcons is coming back and like the Falcons are back off by. They're playing the Saints, which isn't ideal. But like it's still like a rookie coming off the buy and like they have Desmond Ritter quarterback. It's all very risky, but like maybe LJR's like gets more playing time at them.

Chuba's there. And then the other one, interested in is the wrong term, but I kind of think Jordan Mason will be palatable for the 49ers because this week, the Niners are the team

playing the Seahawks. And like every, you always want the running backs against the Seahawks. He had 11 carries for 52 yards for the Niners this week. Obviously, nineers are up like 35 to nothing,

so who cares, it's garbage time. But the nineers are playing on Thursday, they're playing the Seahawks and they're going to run. And then also Brock Purdy, aka Dwayne the Brock Johnson,

aka Brock Choi, aka Brock Donstrock. A.k.a. Brockadald Dundee. Brock Obama. You got an MRI and there's a week. Brockham. I'm stockum robots. Sorry. Newt Brockney. But the point is they're going to have to run a lot.

But here's the thing. I feel like, because McAfrey has this Pateller tendonitis, which they keep calling knee so soreness, which is so freaking ominous. The point being, like, there's no treatment. You just have to rest it a lot during the week, and then he just plays on Sundays. I feel like in a four days rest, they're going to have to rotate him a lot. And I's kind of feel that Jared Mason's going to get a dozen carries. The problem is it's like Thursday and you play your worst guy on Thursday and then you never find out if your players who are questioning are going to play.

So it's like I feel like he'll be good, but it's also useless information. So I don't even know what that helps anyone. So I guess, yeah, Chuba and then Jordan Mason, Tyler Algier is out there. And then Travis Homer, except he's like Jordan Mason in all the unhelpful ways because he's on Thursday, but none of the cool ways because he's playing the Niners. So he's kind of useless. I would not. I would not. I would say him.

No. No. There's other wings, like all these injuries that are unclear, like the. Damian Pierce hurt his ankle at the end. Do you really want, like, Eno Benjamin for the Texans or Rex Burkett or Dario Gunbo Walla? You don't want those people in the playoffs. Against the Chiefs? Worst.

No. Yeah, exactly. You're going to go to the toilet bowl, hoping that Eno Benjamin saves you, it seems like a bad idea. If Jeff Wilson's hurt, like, you know, Salvin Ahmed for the Dolphins, like, that just doesn't sound fun. No. Seek wants out, Gary Brightwell, will not save you. So, me. However, I think there's a lot of really good receivers.

I agree. I had trouble picking my number one. There's a lot of options. Who is your number one receiver entering? Well, there's kind of a caveat. If Corey Davis, the Jets Robb receiver, misses this week, so he's in concussion protocol, if he were to not play this week, I think Elijah Moore would be my first pick. I think that's really fair. I had Elijah in those. Do you know, in Judaism, at Passover, we leave like a glass of wine on the table, and some people leave, like, bread or whatever, and you crack the door,

in case Elijah comes on Passover. Like the idea is you leave the door open for like the stranger, like, you know, the idea that, you know, someone could come in. So I'm just saying, Elijah, okay. You want to leave the door open in case they show up really late.

Interesting. When does Hanukkah start this year? I think it's in a week. It actually overlapsed Christmas this year. Interesting. I'm just saying Elijah late in the season. No, but I think you're actually right with the Cory Davis thing

because they're playing in Detroit and it's like, if it's just Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore versus the Lions and Conklin. Also, I hope Mike White's alive because Mike White was literally hospitalized because of how hard he kept getting hit by the bills. If Zach Wilson plays, all this is off, and I don't want any of these people. But if it's even Joe Flacco or Mike White, like, I think Elijah Moore instead of Court Davis would be great. Zach Wilson not being the backup to Mike White is a tough beat.

It's so weird. It's so funny to think that these teams, like they have three quarterbacks, but they only have two active on game days, they're going to have to change this rule. Yes. Because now that they have, which is a good thing, the automatic,

like they're being more stringent about enforcing like, oh, you might have had an injury, come off. All right, cool. Like, there were two games this week where it's like a quarterback comes out really early in the game

or Jimmy, you know, hurt his foot like last week really early. You can't put teams in a position where it's like, hey, the quarterback has a, the backup has a concussion, you're screwed. But if you think about explaining this to an alien,

yeah, so they actually have a third quarterback. but he can't play. Like, oh, yes, he's like not here. No, no, he's like right there on the sideline with everyone else. But, you know, he's not allowed to enter the game. It's just really odd. Like, just let them have three quarterbacks. It's so strange to me.

I very much agree. I don't care about how many, the 52-man roster, whatever it is. Just allow every team to have as many quarterbacks as they want at their disposal. Who wants to watch a running back play quarterback for an entire game, which is what they always do. Just do, Kendall. It's so ridiculous. Anyway, I think Moore is there. I kind of think, I'm going to,

take DJ Shark though for the Lions because yeah he was my second guy yeah the Lions offense is awesome DJ Charks looked really good and it's like a Monra's the underneath Cooper Cup but DJ Shark is just this like big explosive player in this offensive balling and I know they're playing the Jets and the Jets defense is a lot better than Vikings I don't care

DJ Shark just feels you just don't get this a lot here's like a really good player with actual honest to God talent on like this high flying offense and you're like oh wow what a revelation to just get this person on waivers so I think he's fantastic option.

I'm really happy for DJ Chark. I never sold my stock. I've always thought he was good. I bet on him last year on the Jags. He's completely flamed out, but I'm happy for him. This year, when he's basically finished the game healthy,

when he's played over 80% of the snaps, he's either scored a touchdown or at over 90 yards in every one of those games. He's, like, legitimately been very valuable in fantasy when he's healthy. Did you see him get the game ball after the Jagger's game? When they beat the Jogger's game,

it was really nice. That's cool. It's cute. Oh, it was really nice. They were like, you know, they gave him the game ball, And he was like, thanks, guys. It's like, I'm in a brotherhood here.

And it was very lions. Like, they're manly, but they cry. It was great. Right on the Dan Campbell brand. The game ball in general as an idea is like a very sweet, wholesome idea that I'm happy still exists. You know what? I actually have always thought that the two stats that are the most important that are just not tracked are team captains and game balls. It's just amazing to me that those aren't tracked widely.

Like, when a team loses a captain, especially on, like, the giant. lost their safety, Xavier McKinney because he broke his hand ATVing on the buy week. And I'm like, dude, that's the green dot guy. It's a big deal. Right. No one cares about that.

So I said, DJ Shark, you take Elijah Moore. I'm curious, I think there's a lot of good options. The other ones I had were Jahan Dotson, the rookie for Washington, and then Alec Pierce, the rookie for the Colts. D.K. always loves some of the rookie receivers, like later in the season, but they're both coming off buys and they both have been looking better.

I don't know. I think either of them are actually really solid. I had them. Also, every week you can toss out. about DK's least favorite player in the league. Matt Collins is serviceable. And then, dare I say, dare I say, you can shoot this down.

It's like Anchorman. What does he say? I'm going to put it out there. If you don't like it, just send it right back. Ben Scaronic with Baker Mayfield? Stop it. Okay. Stop it.

Stop it. I'm setting it back. You know why? Are you doing this because Baker threw one big pass to him? Well, I mean, Scoronic at 90 yards at seven catches, but they're on the road in Green Bay, So it's going to be like 10 degrees with Baker. I don't love that.

If they were at home, I would think differently, but on the road in Green Bay, I can't do it. I can't do that in good faith. What was so funny about that Raiders, Rams, come back with Baker, was that Baker kind of showed up and obviously he was playing on 14 hours notice. He was like the new kid at school

who walks into the cafeteria and has no idea of the social dynamics and he just sits down. He's like, oh, Ben Skoronic, you're big, six three. I'll just toss it up to you. And everyone is like, he's like our fullback. You don't.

And he's like, no, no, go up. Go up, get the ball, Ben. It's fine. It's just like, why? Like, this is crazy. I'm like, that's petty. But you can't, like, if you lose because you have Benz Geronik, you think about that for months, years?

Yeah, it's tough. I mean, he's becoming the Rams Tassam Hill, though. So perhaps next year, Benz Gronick is going to be the Swiss Army knife of the West Coast. I think he's like two ACL tears and six years from being the Taysom Hill. There's a couple injured guys to keep an eye on. Richie James on the Giants is in Concussion Protocol. if he plays, he's kind of the only giant receiver who makes any noise. Kendall Hinton left the game with a hamstring injury.

You're probably not starting him anyway. And then I wanted to point out, if you're on by, if you're one of the fuckers who is in first or second in your league, we're going to help the rich get richer here. I would say, look on stashing a few guys, like, if you're really doing well and you have an empty spot in your roster, you could try adding a Jameson Williams, if he could come on really late down the stretch.

And also, you're going to hate this. Cadarius Tony has now dipped below 40% roster ship in Yahoo. Oh my God. I'm just saying if you're on by, if you're on by, you have two weeks from now until you play again. He was limited in practice already last week. He probably could have played this week, they said, but trying to make him actually healthy for the playoffs.

So by two weeks from now, Caderius Tony could be the healthiest he's been all season and actually a part of the chief's offense. Just saying if you're in first place in your league. Let me try to be objective about this and go in reverse order. Cadarious Tony, being objective, faked having his hamstring injury into the end zone for celebration,

mocking the existence of his hamstring injury and has not played since due to the hamstring injuries, if I have that correctly. It was a good bit. I denyably good bit in the moment. Dare I say too good? I will admit that if you have an IR spot and you want to throw Tony in the IR spot,

that you could just toss him in there and hold him because if he plays, maybe it could be really good. Well, he's not on IR. You can't do that. I don't know. Some leagues now let you do the out onto IR, which is like,

I don't know when that starts. I don't, it doesn't matter, whatever. You can add him if you want. I will say, I doubt you'll be turning to him, but I think you're right in that if you have a buy, I think that you want players that there's a, in this 10, 20% chance that they're incredible this week on your bench, then you could maybe turn him the week after.

Caderst Tony is in that group, and Jameson Williams, the Lions is. James, again, first-round pick, he's incredibly really fast. He's played like 20 snaps this season. So, like, you can't play him yet. Like, D-Ki-I know loves James and Williams. Realistically, he had a touchdown, like one catch for a touchdown, but like he just wasn't covered.

Like, it was literally like 30 yards around him. No one was there. So you're not going to play him yet. But if they start playing him, you know, 40 snaps a game, then yeah, you could maybe turn to James and Williams. And then also in that group is, honestly, Trent Sherfield for the dolphins, because whatever's up with Tyree Kill, the Dolphins really just throwed at Hill and Waddle, but it's like, Tyree Kill is out.

Trent Sherfield, like, I don't know what the hell that would be. I'm not saying play him, but like, he's in that group. But if you need people for like this week, I also just want to throw out Terrace Marshall for the Panthers because DJ Morris' ankle injury, I don't know when this came up, but like, I guess it was late in that Panthers game, but Terrace Marshall maybe just as the number one receiver

for the Panthers this weekend. They're playing the Steelers. I don't know. So, and then, you know, there's Paris Campbell and stuff. But I think those, among those names, it's not terrible if you're in a pinch. What happened is Cedric Wilson on the Dolphins? He got like a legitimate contract to leave Dallas.

He got a catch in this game. Cedric Wilson got a catch in this game this week when they were playing the Chargers and I saw Dolphins fans say I forgot he was on the team until that catch. What happened with that? He got a real contract.

He's getting paid more than Trent Sherfield and he's just irrelevant on the team. I think that this is actually a good note for next year. The thing about NFL free agency is that it's so frantic that it's similar actually to the Dolphins with Chase Edmonds where we're always like, well, they paid this player this much.

Yeah, but like, they're making these decisions in like 40 minutes and they don't get to visit with any of them or anything. So sometimes they're like, yeah, that guy will fit. And then they show up, like, they might know in three weeks. Yeah, this guy's not going to fit. But you know what I mean? But they can't do anything about it because the speed of NFL free agency,

it's like they're making these crazy huge decisions really quickly that sometimes you just, like Chase Seventh was just not a right fit for Mike McDaniel's scheme. And then it cut bait two months and things. It just happens sometimes. Yeah, you're right. NFL coaches and GMs are actually kind of like okay. with the sunk cost, they're willing to just admit,

all right, this was a miss. We're going to play our best players, regardless of who's getting paid the most. Kenny Gallaudet, perfect example. It's so funny, though, if free agency works, where it's like, if you're one of the free agents who actually does take visits to a building, they literally talk about it the same way you talk about,

like getting an apartment or a house where they're like, you know, I remember, like, when Josh Norman went to Washington, it was always like, you know, he wants to stay on the U.S. because we can't let him out of the building. Like, we don't want him to go visit New Orleans. We don't want, we're going to get him to sign here. And I'm like, wow, that's not. like you're visiting an apartment.

You're like, let me just sign. I don't want you to do any of their tours. Give me it right now. I, we're closing. I'm like, it's the same thing. It's like car salesmen. Yeah, it's just absolutely frantic. Don't let them out.

All right. Those are all the receivers. We're going to get to tight ends in a second, but first, rookie mistake. Maybe you just need a Snickers. Snickers, official chocolate bar sponsor of the NFL. Check out snickers.com slash rookie mistake. Sometimes you're out of sorts

and you make a mistake that could have been avoided. If you just had a Snickers, let me tell you, I made. a rookie mistake this week. I was plotting in the ringer fantasy football league about how to strategize. I had clinched a playoff spot and was like, let me maximize my position for the fantasy playoffs. Let me see if I can add some defenses that'll dominate. So I'm going to add a defense. Let me just, you know, I just got to cut someone to make room for this epic defense, someone useless from my

roster. So I cut Evan Engram from my roster like Saturday morning. And I think if I had kept Evan Ingram, the amount of points he got me would have actually given me a first round buy. Let me ask you a question. Had you eaten when you made that decision? I'm so glad you asked correct. I had not. Therein might be the problem. Is it a rookie mistake? Maybe you just need a Snickers. Snickers, the official chocolate bar sponsor of the NFL. Checkout Snickers.com. Slash rookie mistake. All right. Let's get to tight ends here. If, you know, whatever reason I mean, maybe. Evan Engram's available.

I don't know who would put him on waivers before this week, but obviously he had 40 points. So, you know, number one score on the week. Would you have Evan Engram first? Well, he doesn't qualify, but if he did, yes. He's not below 40%. I don't know. Some leagues he's around.

Right. In the Ringer Fantasy Football League, he is available, I heard. So, yes, I would take him. Although, you know what? He's kind of like Jerich McKinnon. My hot take would be like Evan Engerson have two points next week. I was going to say it's both so stupid

if you have Evan Ingram to not play him and on the other hand do you? I don't think he's more likely to have a good game next week because of last week. It's like flipping a coin.

It doesn't, you know, previous weeks don't affect future weeks. You got struck by lightning and I'm like, well, tough, but like,

I think that spot's fine. Like, you know what I mean? It's okay. Yeah. Oh my God. All right. So in that case,

do you have Chigo Conquo for the Titans? I had him second. I had Taylor Conklin first. Tomato, yeah. Same thing. Again, this is only contingent on Corey Davis not playing.

If Corey Davis doesn't play, I would do Conklin. If Corey Davis does play, I would go Chig. Who I love, by the way. I freaking love this guy. This guy's awesome. Every time he catches a pass, it's like a 30-yard touchdown. He's like a breath of fresh air. I can't decide if he's really good or just new.

And it's just like the eternal, like, spring of hope. Is he really good or is he just playing opposite Austin, Hooper, you know? Who's to say? You're middle school nemesis. Right. Austin Hooper. You just want to see him fail. And I have. Let me know when you catch a pass in the Super Bowl. No, but Oconquo, it's just like, when Trillenbergs is out, it's so clearly like he's the only

guy on their team other than Derek Henry that, like, has juice. Like, you know, apologies to Bobby Trees. But Ocunquote, it's the only person that they give the ball four times. I'm like, all right, it gets 60 yards every time. Yeah, there's very few tight ends who can catch screen passes and turn the them into like 30, 40-yard gains, and he's one of them. I do continue to ask why Derek Henry doesn't just catch screens, although he is starting to fumble on all off his screens, I will say.

Oh, yeah, that's right. And then, yeah, Tyler Conklin, it's the same deal. It's just they're playing Detroit. Although, not just Cory Davis, it's like, obviously, Mike White has to play. Like, Zach Wilson. All of these guys, yes, is exactly. Zach Wilson is like the Fed.

So then because there's so many injuries up in the air for Conklin, I will, I'll give it to Chick. So we can showdown over Chick, because we didn't showdown for wider series. The Chigo Conquo Showdown Time. This is the coolest name we've done so far. The Chigo Conquo Showdown Time.

Can I go 2 and O? It's from Jeff. Jeff. We were talking the other day about how there was a dumb argument between friends about whether a highway's freeway or whatever. And Jeff says, I'm a transportation engineer. Freeway is a type of highway, specifically referring to having either a raised or depressed median

or a concrete barrier to separate to do travel directions and traffic. Oh, I see. Yeah, right? It makes sense. So with that said, how wide is a typical lane on an interstate and feet?

Wow. It's real different than like how many bees are there in the world. See, we should know this one. Yes, like, how much honey does the average hive make in a year? I don't know. Okay, how wide is the average lane?

I have my answer written down whenever you're ready. Okay. God, I feel like I'm going to get this kind of wrong, but I'm like trying, I'm literally just thinking about sitting in a car driving on a highway. I'm like, how wide is this lane? I'm literally imagining myself like, splayed from like my feet at one window of my car

and my arm, like my head to the other, and I'm like how many of me would fit my car and how many cars fit in the lane. Okay, I'm ready. Three, two, one. I think. Oh! I said 10 feet.

Craig says 12. The answer is, motherfucker. It's exactly 12 feet. Let's go. Wow. Damn. Exactly 12 feet. I pictured myself laying across it. And I was like, because I honestly, my first thought was 10.

And I was like, yeah, I'm like six, two. But if I had two feet on top of me and behind me, that's, I was like, I don't think that covers a whole road. You know? Anyone over six feet will just do any excuse to tell you that they're over six feet tall. It's like people who go to Ivy Leagues. It's like the end of White Lotus. We finally found out they went to Yale. No, that's not here.

Should we just talk about the end of White Lotus? The only reason why I say no is that, I mean, it just came out like 12 hours ago. Might be spoiling it for a lot of people. Maybe. All right. So you get Chigo Conquo. I get Tyler Conklin. Where would you take Evan Engram with those guys if Engram was out there then?

I know he just scored 40 points, but like that doesn't mean you have to play Evan Engram. Should you just play Evan Engram or not? I know. To be honest. It's insane. What are they playing? Are we stupid for not playing Evan Eggram? Or is it more like, well, roulette was 17 on the last one,

so I should bet 17 again. Is that what we're doing with playing Evanair room? I think I'm overthinking it. I'm trying to get cute and play like the, I'm not the layman. I'm going to outsmart the system. But no, I would play Evan Ingram. Probably.

If all those guys are unavailable, I would probably look at Kate Otten, the Bucks. He played the Niners last week and he didn't really do anything. But it's because the Niners do is really good. We're playing the Bucs this, the Bengals this week. Kate Aten's not terrible. And honestly, none of those dudes are available.

I would just roll the dice with Taysom Hill out of the buy. I swear to God. There's a line every week where I'm like, at this point, I would just play Tason Hill because he has a better chance of getting a touchdown than these other dudes. And they had a week, extra week to come up with the touchdown for him.

So quarterbacks, dude, just stick with who you got, man. Like, I don't know what to say. Like, if you got Lamar, you already have a replacement. Well, if you're relying on Russ, I don't know what to tell you. If you had Lamar and you added somebody like, I don't know. Tyler Huntley.

Tyler Huntley, and they saw it. and you want to get a different person. I mean, like, if Jared Gough is obviously available, you should get him. But I guess it's really only Lamar people who could be stressing right now, right? It's got, you know, if Gough, Lawrence, it's obvious, but they're probably taking, like,

Brock Purdy. Honestly, Mike White, it's like if his ribs aren't cracked or playing the lions, like you could do a lot worse than just hoping, you know, the Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore, you know, comes over for Passover. So, but to tell you the truth, it's like, whoever you have on your roster,

it's probably better than these people. Honestly, if Derek Carr's your replacement, for Lamar, yeah, maybe look at Brock Bordier or Mike White. Daniel Jones playing Washington? I don't know. Yeah, he's, someone has Daniel Jones. If Daniel Jones is out there, absolutely. Yeah, go with Daniel Jones.

Yeah, well, we'll see. Yeah, Daniel Jones, that's the short list, yeah. I would certainly not want, Derek Carr, with his five points he had, and now Josh McDaniels is playing Bill Belichick, I have no interest in Derek Carr. If Derek Carr has 400 yards and four touchdowns against the Patriots, sure,

but like I can't in good faith recommend Derrick car. But otherwise, it's like whoever you have is probably the answer. Defensively, different story. A lot of defenses. I'm going to give a bunch. Some of them are definitely available. Pretty fertile week for defenses. Arizona. There's a great one.

The Cardinals are playing the Broncos, and Brett Rippin is probably going to be the quarterback for the Broncos. Whether it's Russell Wilson and Brett Rippin, it doesn't matter. Like, Broncos off. I was going to say, is it a worse matchup or a better matchup with Brett Rippin? I can't tell. I actually don't know. I actually don't know. But either way,

Cardinals versus the Broncos. We're doing this before Monday in football. Maybe Mac Jones, there's five touchdowns tonight and makes this void. But I kind of think the Cardinals are a good matchup for the Broncos next week. The Browns, dude, dude, we're talking about the Browns' run, D. I know it's bad, but, like, dude, still, the Ravens, are they going to have a third-string quarterback? I mean, I still think overall the Brown's defense could be pretty good against the third-string quarterback for the Ravens. The Panthers defense against the Steelers, if Mitchell Trubiskey is the quarterback,

the Steelers with Trubisky were so horrible, disgusting. as D.K. would say, appalling. And then the flip side, Steelers' defense against the Panthers, man. Sure. Yeah, that game's probably going to be really ugly. Trubisky's so annoying because he actually was taking more shots than Can he Pickett. Kenny Pickett hasn't thrown like a pick in like four games. So I kind of got used to the Steelers' offense just plotting down the field. Trubisky comes in, throws two like 30-yard passes after one another and then a pick.

And that happened on like three of the next four drives as he marches into the red zone and throws a pick. And I'm like, oh, yeah, this is why I like Kenny Pickett because he doesn't do that. I think Roger Sherman pointed out that the only quarterbacks to throw three picks in relief this year are Kenny Pickett in relief of Trubisky and Trubisky in relief of Kenny Pickett. So, yeah, Panthers D, baby.

Well, it's a lot worse for Trubisky having been in the league for five years. And then again, Steelers D against Sam Darnold, that's, I mean, dude, that's pretty solid. The Bengals defense against the Bucks, dude, if you watch the Bucks, obviously, like, I mean, again, another one, just appalling,

appalling offense from the Bucks. So I think the Bengals are pretty good. Dude, the Washington defense against the Giants, man. It's one, they're just more talented. Obviously, so what the Eagles did, but this is such a strange situation. The Washington defense is like just straight up more talented than the Giants players. More or less, almost every spot. And then you've got, they had literally played the team, and they have had two weeks to just prep for this team.

I'm a little nervous. So, like, a lot could happen. I mean, you know, there's all kinds of stuff on film that they could find. I don't know. Honestly, the Giants' biggest advantage is they have so many injuries. Maybe they don't have any tells us. I don't know. But the Washington defense is a good one.

And then the Packers playing the Rams. I mean, I know the Rams won, but like, dude, just because Baker's been there for 10 days doesn't mean the Rams offense isn't going to suck. Like, I wouldn't get caught in the magic. It's just the Raiders were really dumb on defense. I think the Packers were the Rams and Baker is still really good. So there's a lot of defenses that I think are really sad.

All-time recency bias here for the Baker thing. We all know Baker too well. Nobody should get tricked by this Baker thing. What's more likely? Baker has 200 yards and two touchdowns. Greenbet, or he has four picks and 106 yards. Give me three picks. Yeah, absolutely.

Well, it's just, yeah, if anything, the irrationally confident, Baker, I just, we never got to talk about that game, but if you just watch that final touchdown he threw to go up, there are 10 Raiders within five yards of the line of scrimmage with 16 seconds left and no timeouts, like straight up. It looks like it's fourth and one. It's unbelievable. Also, that game, there was like a dreamlike quality. It literally was like, yeah, like, have this dream

where like Baker was on the Rams but he had to go from the airport right to the game and then he just did the Tom Brady comeback that happened three days ago. You know what I mean? That doesn't sound like real life. No, they like Uber eats him and played him at quarterback. I don't know what you were in because Sam Darnel is looking frisky

Baker Mayfield's looking frisky. All the backup quarterbacks on the Panthers that they tried to get are now looking all right. Like I have to give it to Baker on that drive alone he was throwing dimes. Well, again, you know my theory. My theory is that we always wonder, like, Baker, what a fail. Darnel would have failed.

Meanwhile, it's like Baker, six offenses in eight years between transferring college, at Hugh Jackson, Freddie Kitchens, and then there was, I forget the, and then it's Daphansky, and he just, and then, oh, and then you had to learn the, the Ben McAdoo offense of the Panthers. So she's like, okay, cool, learn five offenses in five years. And Darnal just mentored by Adam Gase. And we're like, why aren't these guys good? I don't know.

And also, Zach Wilson comes back to Detroit defense. is live. I don't care how bad they've been. I recommend them last week if the Chiefs are out there, go get the Chiefs. They're probably not, but they're playing Houston. So yeah, there's a lot of defenses. So good luck.

Miles and Taft for everyone in the playoffs. Hopefully Elijah shows up this year. Although maybe now that I think about that metaphor, the whole Elijah never comes. It's kind of like a huge theme. Oh. Well, that's disheartening. I hope those people who listen to the receiver part

listen this far. They just heard Elijah Moore and immediately turned off their phone, Randy Yahoo. Are you wanting to some emails? Yeah. All right. Sunday show,

we talked about how we need to give Tony Pollard a nickname. We got a lot of emails. We got a good one that said he, we should call him Hannibal because one,

we've been told him to Anthony Hopkins and also because Hannibal Lecter on screen for 18 minutes, but it's legendary and maybe Oscar-worthy. That is very funny.

That's also like Marlon Brando. Godfather. He got up his after nom and he's barely on screen. Tony Apollo doesn't know the plays. They're like written on Dak Prescott's chest.

John Snow because Prince who was promised but Jerry Jones treats Tony Pollard like he's a bastard. And then the one I kind of like, just straight up, Manu Genoblee, this from Evan,

a lot of people sit in Manu because he's like their second best player, but he comes off the bench and no one really knows why, but they're cool with that. It works. That's good. I like that.

Just call him Mono Genoblee straight up. I mean, Mono Genobley straight up. Just Tony Ginobli. Tony Genoble. Hannibal is funnier, but like, there's the Texas thing too.

I like Manu. I mean, Dallas has their own NBA team. Yeah, that's good. I like Manu. Also, speaking of Paula, we got an email from Kelsey. We're talking about how Tony Pollard went to Memphis,

and then we were just talking about Memphis, and we got a long-in from Kelsey about Memphis, and it'd be great. And then she also says, completely unrelated to Tony Pollard, the bubble bowl scene in SpongeBob, where they sing Sweet Victory, open in the Liberty Bowl, which is the home stadium of the Memphis Tigers,

and they have the logo for the Memphis showboats in the end zones, but that's in the Liberty Bowl. You know, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because Memphis and, you know, the state of Tennessee is landlocked. So that's quite the travel for our friends under the sea there to get to the stadium. You think they're playing in Florida. You're picking nits? I'm picking nits.

Why aren't they playing in Miami? L.A. San Diego. They're going to Tennessee, Squilliam and Co? Come on. How does Squilliam have a gig in Tennessee? Doesn't make any sense. Sandy? Does Sandy have connections?

I don't know. Sandy's from Texas. Well, I mean, maybe it's in the future, and that's actually coastal waters. Oh, yeah? You think it's like an environmental thing? It's like a commentary. Yeah. On the coastlines. Oh, it's disappearing. Water from property. Dude, nobody talks about how good the music is in SpongeBob.

Goofy Goober Rock from the movie. Sweet victory. It's unbelievable. That's a real song, though. But SpongeBob destroys music. I want to go home the Texas song Sandy sings Really top of the line stuff I'd like to know who's their music supervisor And who kind of organizes all that They do a great job Email us at ringer fantasy football at jevo.com

If you have a bunch of what? All right fantasy court Ooh, we have one? Yeah, we actually have two But I'm going to save one for DK because it involves like home renovation And we can't do that without DK We do have one where young people

decide the fate of an old person Which kind of seems fit It's from John John The trade deadline for my fantasy league expired today at noon and everyone in the league is between the ages of 26 and 33, except for Thomas. Thomas is in his late 60s and is our commissioner's old boss.

Oh my God. He is not active in the league's slack, you know, because he's in his late 60s and he's a grandfather and is actually busy. But he sets his line up every week. He bids for players on the waiver wire, etc., etc. An offer was sent him through the ESPN app and ignored because he didn't see it. And his slack was sent to him ignored because he didn't see it. And today he was contacted via text message and he accepted the trade.

after the deadline. Do we allow an exception for the old man or deny it because we were all busy? You don't allow the trade to go through. Also, it's not like he sent

the trade. Somebody sent him a trade. So the person, whoever the person is on the other end of this trade clearly wants it to get pushed through because they think

they're getting a good deal. Thomas here is just on the other end of the phone. Like, he responded to the trade too late. So that's the way it is. Yeah. You know what?

Now that you say it, I think it's like their fault for slacking someone who's like 68 years old. Yeah, like the whole point the whole lead up to this email is like he'd have a response but he does do waiver claims it's hard to reach him though call that man you know what we can't even slack bill it he's like 52 or whatever thomas would probably appreciate a nice phone call to talk trades on a sunday morning so yeah

no i'm sorry you learned a valuable lesson yeah don't slack is this ages i mean obviously by definition it's age but also it seems mildly correct like text someone of that age don't slack them it is really funny the disconnect here, that they tried like every possible medium to reach Thomas and of course you know, you wouldn't even think to give him like a phone call or text him.

All right, yeah, trade does not go through. Sorry, John. Also, shout out Thomas. Yeah, being in the league. Hope you win, Thomas. We got so many people emailed us also dumb arguments

that they had with their friends and just like all the dumb arguments and I just wanted to throw a few at you what they were arguing. All these people were sent like these long things of just like, you spend hours, on this. Thank you to everyone emailed us in.

It was incredible. We got one from Jesse. All these were like multi-hour arguments with their friends, some of which have spent years. Are submarines underwater, or are they in the water? Wow. Can you even

be underwater? That's so stupid, but then you think about it, you're like, well, well, you put it like that. Like, technically, yes. Could you beat a coyote in a fight? I think absolutely. I'm so confident I could beat a coyote in a fight. Coyotes are smaller than you think. They're small. Like if there's a pack, I kind of wouldn't want to mess the pack. But like, yeah, you think? Please. That's why they're in packs. Maybe. Maybe.

Your confidence is like making me want to pick the coyote because I think you're a little too confident, but 50-50. Guess what? You got to be confident going to fight. You're like minus two and a half against a coyote. You know who's not confident they can win the fight? The coyotes. That's why they're in packs. Okay. All right. If any coyotes are listening, I'll give you Hypatty's address. Oh my God. I would stress it.

Honestly, I kind of have always wanted a coyote to try me. I'm not going to lie. Like, not in daylight. I don't want a baby. But, like, I've kind of always wanted to fight a coyote. Yeah. I saw, like, a group attacking a deer one morning. I was like, I could fight them.

One you could take. I don't know about multiple. Is it a cheeseburger a sandwich? Oh, that's like the most classic ageal debate. I know. I also think, tell me for wrong, is the answer kind of easy? it's like, yes, obviously it's technically a sandwich,

but it's like branched off to the point of deserving its own tree. It's like a flightless bird. It's like, yeah, it's a bird, but also like it's not like the other birds, obviously. It's like how freeways are highways, but highways aren't freeways. Yeah. Is that what he said? Honestly, it was in one or out the other. I don't know what the answer was.

I think it was freeways or highways. I don't remember. Someone's playing games categories, and they were like, namesetting scared starting with a W, and someone said Walrus, and that a three-hour argument of whether walruses should count as scary?

Also, which is right there? For the spirit of the game, no. Like, for the purpose of how you're supposed to answer that question, no, a walrus does not qualify. But, like, in nature, like, in a vacuum is a walrus, a scary thing to confront?

Fuck, yeah. Those things are huge. Massive. Dude, I've had so many conversations like this. I've had a million conversations. The one that we had the biggest argument in was, do you think LeBron James, I guess he's a little older now, but let's say LeBron and his prime was when we first started this argument.

If he quit everything and for six months dedicated his life to throwing javelin, all of his time and money, could he win the gold medal in javelin throwing, wherever you say it? Six months. Probably not, because the people who have been doing javelin have probably been doing that for like 10 years. It's like probably not. I think he could. And I had a friend who threw javelin in college and he was all upset. that with me. But I'm like, dude, these javelin players, listen, it's a, it's a very difficult sport.

However, they're not going up against the top athletes in the world, not even close. Like, LeBron will be the best athlete by far ever to have ever picked up a javelin. You're telling me in six months, if it's all, the guy gets up, he practices javelin with a trainer every day and goes to sleep. He does that for six months. He can't, he can't meddle. He can't win gold. I would, I want to say no, except all the those videos I've seen of like anytime Ron throws a basketball like it's a football like you've ever seen those the practice

video of him full court throw it against the wall to the rim for the alleyup to Dwayne Wade and the practice thing I'm like man yeah he probably could because this is also like the whole thing of like America like soccer like would you be the best of soccer but like did he did he's doing like the Manning cast now

but like on Amazon Prime and the first guest they had was like Jalen Ramsey and it came up whether he could have been football and he was like oh yeah I could I could have been like you know Hall fame. And Jailen Ramsey was like, we talk about this in the locker room all the time. We all think you would have been too soft. And he was like, what? And they were like,

how tall are you? Is it 6-8? Jay Ramirez's like, hmm, it's like, no, we would have missed you up. And then LeBron was like, I could have, and then Jay Ramsey actually came from him. He's like, look, man, be careful because like, you know what the memes are about you right now? Just be careful. And then Maverick Carter just like lost, they fell on the floor laughing.

Damn. I got to check that out. I missed that. email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you have more dumb arguments from your friends. I love that that pettus one I thought was so funny. I got one. We had another one. Is walking a sport? Oh, the definition of what's a sport

versus what's a game is like, people get mad. An endless argument. Oh, okay, okay. Or what the word athlete means. Like if you're a speed walk for in the Olympics, are you an athlete? My friend was, one of my best friends

is a runner in college. and my, you know, me and my less athletic friends are like, just the easiest thing in the world is like running's not a sport. You know, it's a hobby. We love your hobby. And it just, you know, it sets them off like an hour. Yeah, I've done that too.

It's an instinct. I've been the guy who's like running's not a sport. Well, someone wants, because it's like, obviously, you know, you want a definition of like, you know, golf being a sport. And someone once was like, look, anything you can drink a beer during, it's not a sport.

Yeah, but like. And that's not real, but I kind of always thought about that definition. I mean, half of a baseball game, you're sitting on the bench, even if you're a starter. So. Baseball, I've been thinking more about baseball.

Baseball is so different than every other sport. It's bizarre. Yeah. The defense is in charge of the ball. Dude, you used to, like, sit in a dugout and drink beer and eat hot dogs during the game. You could still do that and probably be fine. Curling's like not a sport, right?

No. No. I'm sorry. I'm probably offending so many people. I don't, I think that's the thing. Everyone gets in a lot of skill until their sport gets mentioned and then they get offended.

Exactly. We actually got a lot of the amazing. Don't get me started on cheerleading. Well, that's the thing of like competitive, wow. Well, that's the physical activity, right? Because I guess then at that point, like a singing competition, I guess that's art, right? So I guess the question is, is dance art or is it sport?

Because that to me is like right on the line. Is it both? I think cheerleading for the sole purpose of entertaining fans at a game, not a sport. Cheerleading as part of competition against other teams, you can make the case. I think that's a sport.

I don't know. How is that different than any other team? I mean, there's no... Dodgeball? Is Dodgeball a sport? Dodgeball's a game. Yeah, but if Dodgeball was a professional... If Dodgeball was a real league started tomorrow and, like, all the best athletes played, we'd say it was a sport.

But it's not. Why? Just because you play in PE and there's no professional version of it right now? Yeah, I think that's definitely, yeah, that's exactly why. It's not a sport. What's harder? Athletically, to play golf or play dodgeball? Probably running, but we're like, that's not a sport. Ultra marathoning, definitely harder.

Run for a week. Esports? Get the fuck out of here. Let's leave. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, everyone emails. emails at Ring of Fantasy Football at gmail.com various names for nicknames for other people.

What is the support? What is not? Definitely emails dumb arguments you have with your friends. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Jesse for production help. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Jesse, you want to name a band?

Yeah, Jesse. Hit us with a band. Thank you, Arctic Monkeys. Nice. That's cool. Better than D.K.'s choices. D.K. would have picked some random grunge band from Seattle from the 1990s

that no one knows. I love Nirvana. I'm not talking about Nirvana. And I don't think the kid has said Nirvana yet, funnily enough. I said, she liked the Arctic monkeys? I do, actually. The same friend who runs got me into them.

And Jared in the Mill, shout out J&M. You know what the one band? This is my chance also to shout out a band. I want to shout out Midland. Shout out Midland. Excellent. Country band. Midland, Texas.

Drinking Problem. Sunrise tells the story. Fantastic. All right. Check them out. Maybe. All right. Goodbye, everyone.