The Ringer NFL Show - Waiver Wire Targets for Week 8

Episode Date: October 25, 2022

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Get in on the action and follow off the fight with me, Brian Barrett, now on Spotify. Your fantasy football show, my name is Danny Hyfitts. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Morlbeck. We are going through our must-add players after week seven. Here's how this works. We're going to go position by position. We're going to all pick our top player that we would take at each position. And like real waivers, only one person gets them.

So we'll fight and do trivia over them. And hopefully just the process of us picking one. one, two, three, and beyond that, and order helps you figure out how to prioritize. Who you want? This is a huge week for injuries. This is crazy because Breece Hall, the Jets running back, torn ACL out for the season.

DeK. Metcalfe hurt his betteller tendon? I don't know. Doesn't need surgery, but he's hurt. Mike Williams, received for the chargers, has a sprained ankle, possibly a high ankle sprain. David and Joku, the Brownsteaden does have a high ankle sprain. Monrose St. Brown has a concussion. A lot of guys got hurt.

So I feel like this week is actually even more important than usual. Yeah. And it's also more confusing than ever. So that's going to be really fun. I wonder if we're going to have any trivia this week. It's going to be interesting. And we didn't even mention, obviously, Christian McAfra got traded last week.

So we got this banterer running backs to kind of sort through. And then the Chiefs and the charges are on by. So obviously Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Austin Echler, the disaster that is the Kansas City backfield, Kelsey, all that jazz. So without further ado, looking at running back, obviously because Breeze Hall, the Jets running back is hurt. And well, he's out for the season. Michael Carter, the Jets guy, if he's out there,

I think we all agree, like, get Michael Carter, but we're just going to assume for our purposes that Michael Carter is not available on your waivers. So we're going to take him out of this exercise. Yeah. And we're just going to look at guys that are like 40-ish percent rostered ESPN or Yahoo. With that said, DK, taking Michael Carter out of this equation.

Who is your number one running back that you would add on waivers after week seven? So there's like four guys that I really debated here between. I'm going to go with Deontay Format for the Panthers, who he's a little bit above the three. threshold on Yahoo, but below in ESPN. If he's out there, I think he's definitely worth adding. He had 15 carries 118 yards, added a couple of catches.

Basically led the way for the Panthers with CMC out. He's going to have to split carries and, you know, split responsibilities with Chuba Hubbard. And that's going to probably be a bit of a thorn in his side. But Hubbard got banged up in this last week. So maybe that'll mean a little bit more of a, you know, he'll be the lead back for him. Or Hubbard will be the backup. We'll see. But yeah, right now he to me is looking like the guy is probably going to get the most

volume, so I'm going with him. I'm curious, why you picked him over Hubbard? Hubbard started and played more snaps until the ankle injury. And they said he could have, Shepter reported that Chuba would have, could have returned if needed. Yeah, I think he's better. Both of these guys, I think it's going to be a pretty 50-50 split. It's like the Patriots.

It's like whether you're talking about David Harris from Roger Stevenson. I'm just going with a guy whose eye test, to me look better, and I'm going with Deonté Foreman. So it is close. And all the other guys on this list that I have are basically in pretty similar time shares. So that was kind of like just the edge I got. I agree with D.K.

I actually do think Deonté Foreman's just straight up better than Chuba Hubbard, which is weird because Hubbard's like younger and Foreman had like, what, two different Achilles tears. And he just looks better. I think Panthers fans always kind of yell about how Chuba Hubbard can't break tackles. I don't know. I agree with you. I would take Foreman over Hubbard.

But I actually, after a lot of waffling, I didn't put him first. I actually took Gus Edwards first. He was the Ravens running back. He was like a hair below. I mean, it's like really, really close between those two. I think those two would be the top, like clear cut top. two days. Yeah.

I've been taking Gus. Gus is like rotating in because J.K. Dobbins, the starter, got put on injured reserve. So we get at least three more weeks where J.K. Dobbins is out. And Gus just looks better. Like, I know it's, oh, Kenyon Drake looked shifty. Remember that Kenyon Drake's best run against the Giants?

A couple weeks ago, there were literally 10 guys in the field. I think Gus got the start. He got like slightly more playing time. But the way that the Panthers just looked really good without McCaffey, right? It was Foreman and Hubbard running. It's because the Bucks run D. So, suddenly sucks.

The one from the best run in the NFL to bad. The Ravens play the bucks on Thursday at football. So I kind of think Gus actually is like

a really good like plug and play. If you're able to get Gus Edwards from waivers and put him in flex, I mean, I think he's actually like a really doesn't catch passes

Nick Chubb syndrome but he's a good option. Craig, who did you have first? I went with Gus Edwards as well. I mean, 16 carries, 66 yards, two touchdowns last week.

I also think he's easily the best of any of these available guys. The rest of the crop of dudes that we're talking about here are career backups. And Gus, in my opinion, it's like a starting caliber running back.

And if JK Dobbins and Gus were healthy, like they would split carries similar to how they did last year. Gus is really good. And I think he's probably going to take on more of that lead role. As the season goes on, he's just coming back from an injury.

So I think that's why it was more of a three-headed backfield with Kenyon Drake and Justice Hill. But like, I think Edwards is locked and loaded as like a top 24 guy moving forward. Okay. So Craig and I do. the Gus Edwards showdown time here.

Yeah. DK. You're the trivia masters. Okay. I'm going to do the trivia this week. This one is...

Wait, wait. Whoa. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I can't believe you. Disrespecting. Showdown time. It is the Gus Edwards.

D.K. Yeah, hands up. Gus Edwards. Showdown time. Jesse's in the Zoom. In the Zoom's the chat, putting his arms up. All right.

This is one. This one's from Alex. Alex. Alex. On the last winners and losers episode, so the Sunday night episode, there was a funny bet at the end where Hafeitz mistakenly stated

he knew every U.S. Postal code as a child, some kind of savant. With that being said, how many U.S. postal zip codes are there? Oh, so you want me to name all of them? Because I can. Do them in order.

Yeah. Well, that would actually be really easy. All right, so... I could be so off on this. I have no idea. Wait, it never even occurred to me. Is there a 0-0-0-0-0-1? I doubt it.

Well, I don't, you know, maybe there is. Wait, is that just the answer? Wait, can we ask one question? Highfitz. 10,000? Is that the answer? What's your zip code where you are right now? It starts with the two.

What was it growing up in New York? A one. D.K., what was yours in Washington? Nine. What is yours? Nine? I'm nine as well. Oh, he's on the West Coast.

I'm going to go 10,000. I know, right? I'm so afraid that people making fun of it. Right? There's five, that's 10,000. Is that how many there would be? Part of he kind of thinks that's right. No, it's way more than that.

Oh my God, this is so embarrassing. This is so embarrassing. I was thinking that as well, Hyfitt's, just like, if I'm 9-0032, does that mean that's the 9,032nd zip code? Wait, I'm not an idiot, right? Like, 9-9-9, like, and then one beyond that would be 10,000?

So many people are screaming at us listening right now that we're doing this wrong. Because nobody has a zip code at six digits, right? I don't. Well, no, you know, when you know, you fill it in on Amazon or whatever? It's like an extra for it. Oh, no. That address was wrong. Like, you need to send it like this way and they add in those four digits and I'm like, I don't actually know what those are. Oh, yeah. I never know what those are. I never know what those are.

I don't think anybody knows. I don't know. That's because there's more than 10,000. I'm going to go way more. I'm going to, I'm going to do 55,000. Okay. D.K. What's the answer? Five. I don't know. You can believe me. I think. Hyfiz. What did you say? I said 10,000. Okay. Because I 9-99, I don't know. Craig's way closer. It is 41,683. Which makes sense.

Like I said before, I live in a small town, and there's like three or four zip codes here. Like, think about how many towns there are in the fucking country. So, yeah, it definitely makes sense. I have no idea how they work. I'd love to know. Am I crazy for thinking that 10,000 was exactly correct? I thought that as well, but then I was like, There's just, there's too many cities in state.

Like there's just, I don't know. There's like D.K. said, there's like five in my little area. If anyone knows what those four digits are after your subcode emails at Ring Your Fantasy Footballachibo.com. Oh, by the way. Greg, before we move on, Alex notes. Oh.

Also, I found a story by NPR about a guy whose street performance is actually memorizing thousands of postal codes and guessing the codes of random passerbys. That's creepy. That's, I guess he asked them. That's Hyphitz's next career. That's my party trick. Okay, Craig, you get Gus Edwards, Dicke, you get Deante Foreman. I kind of get the short end of the shifter.

If I had to get someone to play this week, like I needed someone to play on bye for me, it's a little tough because I would definitely consider Tyler Eljir. Yeah. You're running back for the Falcons because, again, he just keeps getting like 15 or 16 carries. We learned that when the Falcons get killed, they still run the ball. He got 16 carries last week. They were down by 15 points half the game. So pretty incredible high floor for him just touching the football.

And they're playing the Panthers next week. They're playing the Panthers. They should have a pretty good defensive line it away. But we don't know right now if Damien Williams will come off injured reserve this week. I don't know. I feel like maybe not. We'll see. So that probably would, you'd probably want to find that out first.

The other guy would be consider here is Latavius Murray for the Broncos because Mike Boone was in a walking boot on Sunday. He's on IR. They put him on IRR. Yeah. Oh, he's already got put on Angel Reserve? Yeah, just so Nate Hackens said he's going to miss some time, which is not good. So considering that Melvin Gordon David didn't play, the third, fourth, or overtime on Monday of football a week ago, and then it's not getting that many. Kind of like Latavius Murray is just starting running back for the Broncos.

However, how valuable is, like, the guy getting the goal line work for the worst scoring team in the NFL? The Broncos have eight touchdowns and seven games. So do you want a touchdown-dependent guy in Latavius Murray? Or do you want a touchdown-dependent guy in Gus Edwards, words who's on the Ravens. The rule that should supersede all other rules in fantasy football is draft and pick players on good teams. And I don't want anything to do with a running back on Denver.

Aren't they in London this week? I'm good. Oh, yeah, they are. You're making me really regret my decision to pick Deonté Foreman. However, the question is, would you take Chuba Hubbard over these other guys are talking about? So if I took, oh yeah, I forgot. If I took Foreman, you take Hubbard.

So to revisit this, the Panthers ran so well last week. I almost think it's easy to forget how bad that offense could be. Like, are we just going to act like the Panthers are good? This is still like a pretty abysmal offense. And I still feel like plugging in Hubbard or Deonti Foreman could make you feel very stupid on a week-to-week basis. I don't know. Maybe they do end up using those guys even like 60% like the use-up. In reality, I feel.

After the fact changed my answer to guess that words, but Craig already gets him. I'm just going to recuse myself from this. But yes, I agree with this. I think Foreman at Hubbard is still going to be a timeshare on a bottom five offense, which is going to be super tough. And apparently P.J. Walker is going to keep playing. So I guess I would take Algier, but certainly see if Damien Williams ends up coming back.

And then I would go Latavus Murray next. However, I do want to flip this exercise for a moment because we're talking mainly about, like, if you need a plug and play someone this week, if you're not necessarily in this situation or you want to consider more like forward-looking, like, whole season, Rashad White, Rashad White, Rashad White, Rashad White. I know we keep talking about this guy,

but like, I'm going to say one more time. The Bucks, Todd Bowles, again, remember like yesterday, Todd Bulls said, we're in a dark place. He was like the old guys have... He more or less said the old guys have to prove they still belong and the young guys have to prove that they can belong to. They say we're going to bench the olds for the youngs.

And Rashad White actually played as a percentage more snaps last week than he had the whole year. Yeah, I like that one. If you're talking about stashing players, too, Karen Williams for the Rams, another good one. Yeah, just in case you want to stash like this young running back on a team that isn't capable of running the ball,

those are our guys because it sounds cool when I'm like Rashad White led the bucks in rushing yards but it doesn't sound cool when I'm like he had 24 yards. Yeah but the value is pass catching for both of these guys. Exactly. The other person that I'm surprised you have not mentioned yet although maybe he's not included in this you know, uh, group here

is Isaiah Pacheco for the chiefs? He is. He's involved. He's 30% rostered to ESPN. No, you're right. I skipped over him by accident. So talking about the he's also in the group for the guys that, so the chiefs are on by this week if you don't need someone for this week, I actually had him above Rashidlite, thank you.

Zaya Pacheco was named the starter ahead of Clyde this week. You didn't really see much from it. Even if you don't have Pacheco, someone might cut Pacheco because maybe someone picked him up because he's going to be starter. Maybe you did. And then he barely played more than Clyde

and Jarek McInnan played more than Clarete. As usual. However, I think that when the chiefs go into their buy, we don't know what's going to happen. However, it's totally possible that Isaiah Pacheco, because he's a rookie, comes out of that with more responsibility because they just get to teach him more stuff,

and they get more comfortable with him being like pass protection and all this stuff. So not even just for fantasy purpose, if Chiefs are going to go and win the Super Bowl, they can't necessarily count on Jerich McKinnon, who was out of football for like two or almost three full years with knee issues. They can't count in McKinnon staying healthy for this whole run.

They do need Bicheko to, like, be able to do third down responsibilities and pass protection. I kind of do think they install them. the stuff over the buy. I don't know if that's if he's going to get the lead roll. But on the off chance that Pacheco is just straight up the actual starter after this buy, I would add him as well.

Whatever happened to Ronald Jones? Is he still on the Chiefs? Around? He's just been a... You know what's funny? I never thought Clyde was that bad. This is a really tough beat for Clyde in his career that he's getting usurped by a seventh rounder.

But like, every time I watch Clyde, I think he's fine. I don't know why he can't... I mean, he did score the most points of all these the three backs this last week. So the snap breakdown was Pacheco got the start, he got 31% of snaps, C-E-H got 29% of snaps,

and McKinnon got 40% of snaps. The touches was C-EH-6, McKinnon 4, Pacheco 8. So I don't know. This is a hell. No, no, that's good. I just think we're, what you're banking on is that

if you come out of the buy, maybe Pacheco just actually has the most touches of any of the cheeses, like by an actual amount that matters. because if he's already getting that before the buy and he's a rookie, he might be trending up. So just to reiterate that, I think we're all taking,

well, if Michael Carter is available, take Michael. What about Nyheim Heinz? Well, that's a whole other discussion with the cults, but let's get to that in a second. So Michael Carter, if he's there, we all agree that among realistic guys, Gus Edwards is first.

Deonté Foreman, less exciting, but probably has a job over Hubbard. You could also take Hubbard. Latavius Murray, who's like, now the lead guy on a bottom three offense, as long as Ripien's playing and maybe still if Russ is playing. Tyler Algier for the Falcons,

I guess I would take him over, Murray. And then if you don't need someone for this week, but you want value. Isaiah Pachecker for the Chiefs, Rashad White for the Bucks, Kairn Williams, the rookie for the Rams. Jalen Warren for the Steelers, because if Nodja gets heard,

Somaget Piron for the Bengals, Kess Mix and gets her. Ty Johnson for the Jets, just in case, you know, if they don't want to give Michael Carter the whole role, Ty Johnson steps up. He was actually pretty productive

in a couple games last year. name Heinz just becomes a different discussion about the cults which we actually didn't get into but the colts freaking benched matt ryan yeah and then it all it came out in an interesting order it was like that it was sam ellinger's going to start over matt ryan and then it was but matt ryan's hurt and then it was like yeah but when matt ryan's healthy he'll still be benched right it does like the injury has nothing to injury there insult to injury back to insult yeah the rare eye i i is matt ryan going to retired It's season? Like, how do you move on from this?

If you're Matt Ryan? Dude, it's wild that they're like, you're our starter, you're our guys that could coach on the field. And then they're like, even when you're healthy, you're third behind Nick Folles still. Okay, what was your reaction when you heard this? I was like, wow, holy shit. All the Elinger guys, I've stashed him on literally

nine fantasy teams in my dynasty teams because just the way that Matt Ryan was playing, I'm like, this is untenable. Like, they can't keep doing this. The other thing I think that's interesting, the part that actually stood up the most of me here is the contrast between Ellinger, who is a pretty mobile guy.

Like, he was, you know, he's not super fast, but he can scramble pretty well, and he's pretty, like, thick and tough guy. Thick and tough. Ruggardt and tough. He's a cut of the Taylor Heineckee cloth. He actually is very, yeah, like, Taylor Heineckees-esque.

A little bit of a gamer, a little bit of, you know. Do we need a scale for white quarterbacks who can run? Like, Daniel Jones, he's in the, he's in the, Gardner, Minchew, Taylor Heinekey. area. Like short, athletic,

stocky, like leadership. Can grind down and your 10 yards. Scramble in the fourth quarter if you need them. But really, though, the first thing I thought I was like, yeah, they need somebody who can, like, get away from the pressure because, like, they can't keep playing with Matt Ryan taking sacks and or throwing pick sixes

because he's afraid he's going to take a sack. Like, that was just, the way that their offense was running was, like, with Matt Ryan, he can't move. It's just untenable. They were just not going to be able to continue to do that. They're three, three and one. Three, three and one benching the court. It's also like, I think that, so they met with Jim Mercy last night.

The thing I keep thinking about, this is a Jim Mercy thing. This is a Jim Mercy thing. Jim Mercy is the owner of the Colts. And one, Jim Mersey said earlier this year, like seven months ago, he was like, I don't think people understand how much Andrew Luck just like retiring has changed this team. I don't know how many franchises could survive like this, what was, 29-year-old guy, just generational quarterback, just retiring in the preseason.

And this whole thing, the Matt Ryan thing, I think it's just still a footnote on the Andrew Luck retirement shadow on this team. But for this year specifically, like, I think these people just might get fired. I think that this is what happens. Like, they just traded picks for, you know, Matt Ryan. They traded a first rounder for a freaking wince and then moved on for him. Yeah. And then this is like their fourth chance to get a quarter.

I think this is Frank Reich and maybe Chris Ballard of the gym too, kind of sensing that they're going to get fired if something doesn't change. as for fantasy I don't know Heinz I don't get Naheem Heinz it's like Jonathan Taylor exists I don't think I want Heinz honestly I also don't think it's gonna be fall in all Does this help anybody

Maybe Jonathan Taylor is gonna get more work But like I think this is a This is not good for Michael Pittman Right not good for for Well we might as well skip ahead To wide receivers here Because one of the top wide receivers Available is Paris Campbell

And I'm curious Paris Campbell The classic If you just like sort by last week. Paris Campbell had 10 catches last week, which was tied for the most of the NFL with DeAndra Hopkins, and he has 17 catches the last two weeks.

So like, Paris Campbell, in his career, he was the second round pick. In his entire career, the best two games of his career were literally the last two weeks. Yeah. So were you interested at all in adding him with Matt Ryan

and slash, would you still be with St. Elinger, D.K.? Like, where does he rank? Did you have him first or no? I don't have him first. He's second or third on my list, depending on kind of like the vibes. But here's the deal.

He's got 23 targets in two weeks. Like he cannot ignore that. And I think he's definitely worth kind of just picking up to see how it goes. But at the same time, like you said, like you alluded to here, it's like the offense is going to change Ellinger at quarterback.

They're not going to run as many plays. They're almost certain. Wait, we have to figure this out now. It's Ellinger? Or is it Ellinger? I thought it was Ellinger. I don't know. We'll say Ellinger for now.

With him at quarterback, like they're just not going to run as many plays. They're not going to pass as much, probably. They're probably going to try and have, have Jonathan Taylor carry the rock a bunch, lean on that part of the offense. However, I will say,

Paris Campbell's role is the short and intermediate area, like catch and run, you know, little dump offs over the middle of the field or whatever, like getting him involved with yards after the catch. Like, he is in that mold as a receiver. He's very fast. You know, he ran like a four three-something at the combine a couple years ago.

I don't know. To me, Paris Campbell is very interesting because I've always thought he was talented. You know, he was a second rounder for a reason. He had tons of speed. Like, he outproduced McLaurin in, college. You know what I mean? So he's not like a bad player. It's just

he's been hurt his entire career. He's kind of got like the Rashad Penny career art going on. Big picture for the Colts. You know where they ranked in completions per game, which is obviously in PPR fantasy a big deal? They were first in completions per game. Matt Ryan was sixth in passing yards per game.

This is kind of like low key, a little like Joe Flacco. We kept talking about him being inflation for the the Jets for the first few weeks. We're Joe Flacco just checking down because like Matt Ryan can't get out of the pocket, doesn't want to get hit, not playing behind the line as good as it should be. And so just check it out and check down. And then now we live in a world where Paris Campbell has 17 catch the last two weeks. I don't think that that's going to happen when

Matt Ryan's gone. So I kind of think Paris Campbell's whole case maybe goes up in dust. And Michael Pittman values certainly down all that. And Alex Pierce probably too, sadly. Hold on. It's Ellen Ger. Ellen Ger. Is it really? Yes. Ellen Gur. According to the NFL.com, Scatterer report. Ellenger. Okay. I'll take their word. Wide receiver, if they're available, George Bickens, who we've loved for a while.

If he's available, go again. Top 10. Top 10 receiver, according to Craig. He is. I actually don't think that's that hot of the take. Watch him play. Just watch the tape. Check the tape.

Why that's a great take is that it will be true eventually, and then Craig can be like, yeah, it's that meme of the two astronauts. If you watch all of his catches this year, he has a higher percentage of highlight catches than practically any receiver in the league. I respect it. That is true.

Okay, DK, who is your number one receiver then? This is kind of going back to the well on someone we've talked about a million times, but Josh Palmer for the Chargers, who has a chance here to be pretty good going forward with Mike Williams, high ankle sprain could be out in multiple weeks. Keenan Allen still hobbles. So he's more of a stash, though. The Chargers don't have a buy this next week, but I still think it's worthwhile.

You know what I mean? The second you said that, I was like, oh shit, did I forget Josh Palmer? Then I'm freaking buy. Well, okay, should we skip Palmer since he's got to buy? I guess this is to help people. Okay. I think that we should bucket them into like stashes. Okay, but just keep an eye on Josh Fulner

because he's still rostered only 20% of leagues, but if Mike Williams and Keenan Allen are both hobbled the rest of the year, like he could have a pretty big role. That being said, I'm going to go back and, okay, real quick, double check. Giants don't have a buy, right? Next week. It's the chiefs in charge. Okay.

So I'm going with Wondell routes for the Giants. I also picked Wondale. I did as well. Sweet. Three-way Wondale. Oh, don't say it that way. Just go right. Your mind is in the gutter height.

So he had eight targets, six catches, 50 yards. His snap rate, importantly, went up a lot. And I think it's going to continue to improve as we go on. It's basically coming back off of a pretty major hamstring injury that kept him out for much of the first part of the year, right? It was a hammy, right? Yeah. He looks really good.

They're scheming him up. They're manufacturing him touches. Like, Dayball certainly has what you'd think is like a plan to get involved early and often in these games. So to me, especially in half PPR and PPR, he's trending in the right direction. It could be like the number one guy on their team. And you left out a huge point.

Rainbow Strip potential next week. Playing Seattle. Yes. And, you know, with guys like Paris Campbell, Paris Campbell violates my rule, I don't like receivers on shitty teams and shitty quarterbacks. It's awful. And the Giants are not a shitty team anymore.

And Daniel Jones is not playing that bad. Plus, they're playing Seattle this year or this week. So I like Wondale a lot. I was wrong. Wondale had a knee injury, not a hamstring. but yeah, also, Daniel Bellinger, again, fractured his eye socket.

I have no idea when he's going to play again. So, like, Galdadee. Yeah. So, like, Wondale, you know, it's funny.

I said Wondale Robinson would lead the Giants in receiving this year or catches. He missed a month. He still might. Like, the Giants still don't have

a two-engineer receiver. I kind of think Wondel Robinson still could, even though he just didn't play until like two weeks ago, which is kind of nuts. Here's how I would do it, honestly,

is put Wondale in as your number one priority on the waiver, and then if you don't get him, have Darius Slaten as your backup. Because Slayton also look pretty good. Slayton's good. I should have added them to the list of things that are good. Slaten's good.

He is good. Okay, so we're all doing Wanda. We need to do the Wondell Robinson showdown time. I like how Hiveett says jazz hands now. He's shaking him. It is the Wondale Robinson. Hell yeah, Jesse. Showdown time.

Dude, obviously, no one can see us, but we're putting our hands up for this. And then Jesse's now slacking us. the hands-up emoji, which is like making my day. I always think about, I was talking to my friend the day about how if like you were flying the wall watching people work in the modern era, people who work on their computers, especially in work from home. Like if there was just a camera looking at me from the side, I literally just sit all day

and just tip-tap on my little computer. And just every Monday, three times from one to two, somebody would just see me quietly putting my hands in the air and shaking them. Work from home is bizarre. It is like, dude, especially like I have a cat now, which has been discussed. And sometimes I'm like, what's he doing all day? And I'm like, you know what my cat's thinking? What the fuck is this guy doing all day?

He's just looking at this screen? What would the greatest generation say of us? If an alien came down and was like, this is what humans do for 60% of their day. And it's just me sitting quietly with headphones on. Well, dude, all these futurists and people, I don't know how you get that job. But like, you know, people like a hundred years ago theorizing what machines would do to the future of work. And they all were like, I don't think anyone's going to have jobs at all. Everyone's going to get to do fun stuff all the time.

Like, people agreed on this. That is still the prediction for like the next 100 years, though. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's like the stop drafting Travis Kelsey because that's the, that's the word. That's like me with George Pickens. I'm like, just wait. Say it with Claypool.

I'm like, that. All right, this is already a tremendous tangent. So it's from Kyle. Kyle. Kyle. Kyle. Kyle. Kyle.

I played Navy football from 2011 to 2011 to 2015. Nice. Should have done. Actually, Lieutenant Kyle. He's Lieutenant Kyle. Sweet. But we're not going to do the Lieutenant Kyle. Lieutenant, Kyle, yes.

I don't think they say the first name after Lieutenant, though. Oh, you're right. Totally messed that up. I don't think that's how the military works. Forest Cup lied to me? Lieutenant Dan. I don't think that's standard operating procedure in the military, but that's just me. All right, Kyle, sorry for immediately besmirching you.

Anyway, Kyle's great email. Craig has been comparing the bears to Navy for so long. Kyle writes, the longest drive by game clock length in recorded football history, college, pro, anything. I don't know about high school, but college of pro was Navy in the 2004 Emerald Bowl. How much game clock did one Navy drive take up?

Wow. What a fantastic question. What an amazing question. You could have asked me what the Emerald Bowl was and I'd never come up with that answer either. So full disclosure, I don't know the answer to this, but I have been thinking about this ever since I read the email,

and my thing has been like, is it a full quarter or not? I don't know. I feel like it had to take up. Well, what is the max? I mean, if you used all three downs and went all the way down the field from the one yard line to the end zone,

you'd go 100 yards. That would be 30 plays. But penalty, if I could say the word, penalties, in theory could like, push you back. I think it's got to be over a quarter. I'm going to say 18 minutes of game clock.

Damn it, that's exactly what I was thinking. I was going to say 16 because I feel like it's more than a quarter, but like more than a quarter is crazy. I mean, not to be rude, but I'll just go 19 then. Because I was thinking 18 also. Damn, you guys sandwiched me. I'm going to say 16. I haven't taken about this for hours.

I cannot wait. You've been thinking about this question. See, this is what High Fitz does. He's been doing the math in his head. Cheater. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Do you want to go through and make the list?

Just saying, I wouldn't cheat if I did. You go make the fucking list. All right. 14 minutes and 26 seconds, it resulted in a field goal. Oh, that's great. At least it wasn't like it ended on like their turnover or something like that. Wow. I just assumed it was a touchdown drives.

Three points. I love that. Can you imagine a fortunate... Just grind it out. You get three points. It'd be really funny if they kicked it from like the 38. They didn't even get it. Dude, you know when you look up at a football game and you're like, wow, it's already

the second quarter. But like it's like 14 on the clock. Can you imagine being a player and just don't get the ball back? Dude, and you know what else I just thought about? The clock stops when you get a first down in college. That is nuts. Wait, it officially included 26 plays. 26th less than that.

That's called the trickulation right there, baby. Banner Society, which is great, wrote about this, and they said, if a high school team has topped this, they were unable to find it. That's amazing. Which is crazy because there's a lot of high school football. Have you guys, do you guys know what the Emerald Bowl was?

I had to Google this. No. What's the Emerald Bowl? The San Francisco Bowl is an annual postseason college football ball game. It was the Emerald Bowl from 2004 to 2009, the Fight Hunger Bowl, from 2010 to 2013,

the Foster Farms Bowl from 2014 and 17 and the Red Box Bowl from 2018 to 2020. So there you go. I don't know. Anyway, that's a great question. Okay, so I get Wondale. I feel good about that. And I get last here.

Damn it. Yeah, you get last. Craig, who do you take second? There's a lot of receivers out there. I'm not going to take Paris Campbell. I just feel like sometimes in the waiver wire, we're like storm chasers just chasing after whichever player had the most recent,

like 10 plus target game. I mean, Mikul Hartman, three touchdowns on six touches last week. Couldn't care less. I really, it does feel like that, right? You just, you go back and we're like, who had 10 targets last week? It's whackamol, Craig.

It's called whackamol. I am going to go with Donovan People's Jones. Damn you. 20% rostered on the Browns. This is the third time in four games that People's Jones has gone over 70 yards. He's good. It's him and Amari Cooper. David and Joku just went out.

We can talk about Harrison Bryant later. but it's just those two in this offense and he's good. He's a former five-star talent he's kind of a freak athlete. I like him a lot. Amari Cooper never stays healthy. DPJ, I don't know why he's 20% rostered actually,

but I think this is an excellent pick. I also had him. I have another guy like near him, but I also think he's super underrated and I'm going to just give mine right now, which is the guy was going to do next. Wait, I never got to pick one. Oh, sorry.

How dare you, hi, it's. I'm going to go to Slateon, Darius Slate. Oh, Darius Slate? Oh, wow, okay. I was going to say Zay Jones. Yeah, that was my next guy. He's still out there. Yeah.

Because Donovan People Jones and Zay Jones are very similar to me in that basically if you just go to whatever platform you want, you're on, and you just go to all players and you go to add a player. And you just sort by targets. You do this on whatever website you play fantasy down. Just sort by targets. And then you look at the roster percentage. It's like 100%, 100%, 100%, 100%, 90, 99, 95, 9090.

And then there's like Zay Jones. like 20. See, it's like 45 targets. And then it's like 90, 90, 90, 90. Like everyone in the range, shout to Nathan Junkie if you at pro-fiel focus to point this out. Everyone in the range of Zay Jones is rostered over 50%, mostly over 80. And then Say Jones just says 20%. He doesn't have downfield targets. That's why. He's not a downfield receiver. Donovan People Jones is a downfield receiver. He's like, in theory, a boombuss guy. But he actually, Donovan People Jones actually kind of has a high floor and a high ceiling. So I think that's a really good pick, Craig, and also, like, a super realistic, like, is

available even in 12-team leagues. I think he's a really good thing. The other guy I would throw out here, and we haven't seen it play yet because it's Monday afternoon. They're playing tonight is Tyquant Thornton, who I think is going to continue to work his way further and further into the Patriots, like, receiver core rotation. Right now, I mean, as of last week, he only played, I think less than half the snaps, but I think he's going to, it's like Wondale.

He's going to continue to grow in that. He's got the juice. He's so fast. And, you know, they kind of need some of that speed, I think, in their offense. So Thornton could continue to play more going forward. I want to hit a few, I guess, I guess I think the word is stash guys. Because so obviously Mike Williams is hurt, but the charges run by. So as D.K. mentioned, Josh Palmer is like more of a stash because, one, who knows how long Keaton Allen can stay healthy.

And then two, Mike Williams, you know, I think it's a high ankle spring. That's what they're saying. He called it a sprain. Keenan Allen said it was high ankle. It looked bad. It looked bad. So, yeah, high ankle, just to reiterate, totally different.

Bill Barnnell was written about this, but like ankle sprain, people listening might have sprained their ankle, it's fine. High ankle sprain is nothing like an ankle sprain, and it is like career altering sometimes for receivers, depending on how serious. So Josh Palmer's a good stash once he comes back. Johan Dotson, the Washington receiver is a good stash.

He heard his hamstring, so people are cutting him if you have a bench spot. However, I'm going to categorize these guys as stashes. the Jets receivers because Corey Davis sprained his MCL. Garrett Wilson obviously 10th pick in the draft was really good with Flacco and Elijah Moore, who went AWOL and was like, I'm not coming to work, but now he's back. Corey Davis is hurt. But here's the thing with the Jets receivers, I wouldn't, like, they're not like playable

because the Jets play the Patriots next week and then they play the Bills, then they go on by, and then they play the Patriots. And I believe Zach Wilson in his only two games against Bill Belichick has combined for four fantasy points if I have that right. So like, if Zach Wilson barely has 200 passing yards against the Patriots, you're not playing against the Patriots, you're not playing against the Bills. So you're not really going to play Garrett Wilson or Elijah Moore to like Thanksgiving. So I don't know, they're like, even though Courtney Davis got hurt, they feel unrosterable

unless you're like December upside. Yeah. Let's recap for people. Let's give the recap of like how we would do it. Number one, Wondale, right? Wondell Robinson. So George Pickens, if they're out there. Rondell Moore for me still, if he's out there also.

He's above this threshold. The last week the Cardinals were so weirdly, they just kept pick-sixing Andy Dalton until the game was over, so they didn't get passes, but Rondale more is still on that. Honestly, like, you say Rondale, if Dorch is out there, Dorch. Here's what worries me about Rondale.

They played Rondale outside this last game. Like most of his snaps came on the outside because Markis Brown has done for the year, at least done for, you know, like a month or something like that. They played, the way that they played it is, Dorch was in the slot mostly, and Ron Dale was playing on the outside mostly, and that's why Ron Dale, like, disappeared, and Dorch had a touchdown. So just throwing it out there, that, depending on how they utilize these two guys,

like, Rondale could be at a real severe disadvantage, because he's just not an outside receiver. Yeah, okay. Well, maybe not. Well, there's Rondale, and if we couldn't be more confusing, then Wondale, Robinson for the Giants are top pick. We basically are fading Miko Hardman from the Chiefs because it's like, when you try to chase the guy with three touchdowns in the Chiefs, you're just chasing the tether ball. to just hold on to Marcus Valdus Scantling and Juchu. We're just ignoring Paris Campbell,

because again, the cults, we're saying this is inflation, right? And Matt Ryan is. Well, I would say, don't ignore him. Frank Reich's the Fed. He's definitely not like our top priority, but I don't think he can't ignore 23 targets in two weeks. So the argument for Paris Campbell is he's 25 years old. He's a second round pick.

He's had the best two games of his career. And even if he's not, if he's not fools gold, you want to add him. I kind of think that if the cults were number one in completions per game, which is number one and dishing out receptions for PPR and then now

it's Sam Ellinger I'm kind of like but you can add him Zay Jones weird high floor Donovan People's Jones for Craig like that's a great one too

and then Jets receivers are like you're not playing him for a month but you can bet on talent the Lions also Amon Rock because he's concussed

if you need it if you're all down bad Josh Reynolds yeah you could like if you need someone for this week Josh Reynolds has been

the Lions' offenses look bad the last two weeks but like if Amonra's out Josh Reynolds has been solid It doesn't sound like Amun Ra's going to be out for very long. In fact, I think Dan Campbell came out and said on Monday today

that he wasn't actually, he did not have a concussion. He just was eliminated from the game because the spotter, the independent spotter saw him stumble, which is part of that new rule, you know? Yeah, precautionary. It sounds like he's going to be bad. And then other stashes if you have IR, Spots, Van Jefferson for the Rams, trailingbergs to the Titans, and then just James Williams to the Lions.

If you're already going to make the fantasy playoffs, you could just throw those guys in and maybe use in December. Tight end. Again, David and Joku got hurt. Travis Kelsey's in by, Gerald Edwards on by. This is one of the more interesting tight-end weeks, don't you guys think? Yeah, there's some good ones out there.

I'm going to go with Greg Dulcich for the Broncos, who he's playing essentially what we thought Albert O was going to be doing. He ran routes on 70% of the teams dropbacks in the sacks last week. Nine targets, six catches, 51 yards. You know, it wasn't a huge, huge output, but he's a big part of his offense. Like, his first week he caught a touchdown this last week,

nine targets. So he's turning in the right direction. He's basically who we thought Albert O was going to be. So I think he's worth at least grabbing to see how this continues to go. So I was going to take Irv Smith for the Vikings. He's like 41% on Yahoo. He's like lower than that on ESPN. I would take Smith over Dulce.

How do you say? Dulce. I always want to say Dulcee de leche. Dulce. I just see dulce and I'm like, I know where this is going. Dulcich. But Irv Smith, because, you know, the Thursday night football, the disaster game with Juan Johnson.

I like two touchdowns, the St. St. The Cardinals have given up the most catches to the tight ends. The Cardinals have given up the most yards of tight ends. And the Cardinals have given up the most touchdowns of tight ends. So I'm just taking Irv Smith because I have no idea which tight ends are going to do anything any given week. So just give me the team that sucks at the finish tight ends. All right.

Craig, who do you got? I have Greg Dulcich as well. I did waffle between Greg Dulcich. I didn't really think about Irv Smith. I also wrote down Harrison Bryant, who is the guy who will fill in for David and Joku. Also, the other tight end for the Brown's Farrell Brown. also injured and left the game. So Harrison Bryant's all they have in Cleveland.

And then the other guy I wanted to toss out, K. Dot, who is the rookie tight end for the bucks. The rule I've been talking about all podcasts, like I like pass catchers with good quarterbacks. You know. Is Tom Brady good, though? Despite what Brady's been doing this year. I mean, last night, Mr. Crick-Garovic told me Tom Brady was bad,

so who do I believe? Tom Brady is bad, but he is still. So he can't have Kate Ones. Someone's going to clip that audio. I don't know. You know, it's like Cameron Brate doesn't seem like he's coming back anytime soon. And, yeah, Kate Aton's just going to be there. You know, he's getting like five targets a game.

And they're going to be throwing a lot. Brady is Brady. He peppers his tight ends more than Russell Wilson does or, you know, who knows what Harrison Bryant's going to do in Cleveland. So I just think Kate Otton's like a kind of a high floor play, to be honest. But I'm going to go with Dolson for the upside. He's a high draft pick. He's good play.

I'm going to stick with Dulcich. I like the kid. If Irv Smith were in this pool, would you still take Dulcich over him? I would. Really? Because I just look at Dulcich as, again, the Broncos have eight touchdowns

in seven games. Yeah. And it's like they're less, not to be Mr. Math, less than a touchdown a game. And I feel like tight end is just like, I hope they get a touchdown. So like, it's,

I just feel like weird betting on the Broncos to score. It's a fair point. At all. But basically, Dulcich played his first full game this week and he had more targets than Irv Smith has had all season. So I'm wondering if it's just like the ceiling is a little higher.

But I'm going to stick with Dulcich, but you make a good point with Earth. We should clip this conversation and save it for the next off season when I'm arguing that we should not get rid of the tight end position. Like you guys should use this against me. Remember how much time we spent arguing Irv Smith or Greg Dolshitz?

Okay. Well, you guys can do your Greg Dolsson showdown time. Jeez, that's sad. No, it's not. Dulcich is awesome. We've been doing like the Evan Ingram showdown time for the past three weeks So this is relatively a joyous showdown time

Get them up there, D.K. Haifitz, prepare your question. It is the Greg Dulcich showdown time. Yeah. He needs a nickname Dulcich. Dolce de Letcher. This is from Peter. It's about free will. Okay.

Scientists did a study years ago and they put people in a scanner and they asked them to press a button either the left or right hand, whichever one they wanted to do. Basically, imagine if your left hand is like going for candy and your right hand is going for like, I don't know, broccoli.

Okay. And you're like, oh, do I want to have the candy, say healthy? Scientists could see, they're scanning your brain while you do this. They could see what decision you made before you made the decision. Like when you did it and you're like, I'll do this. You decided that like before. They could see your brain deciding it. And then your conscious mind is just kind of catching up to what your subconscious mind's

decided. Sort of like inception or whatever? Yes. I learned all this with Westworld. The question is, how long is the gap in seconds? For fuck sake. How long is the gap between when you make a decision? It's in seconds?

It's in seconds? Yeah. Wow. I was going to say like milliseconds. It cannot be any longer than one second. The brain moves so quickly. Can I say, so is it over one second? Can I say less than a second or no?

Yeah, you can do that, yeah. Oh, I'm going to say. There's two of you. I mean, D.K. said a second. I'm going to say, I'm not going to, I'm not going to have prices right. You can say 0.99 seconds. I'm going to say half a second. All right.

Well, you already decided what you're going to do before. DK. I already said one. Okay. It's 10 seconds. 10 seconds before. It's an average. Is this 10 seconds before they ask the question or before they tell you?

No, no, no. So I don't want to totally botched this entire concept. It doesn't that imply that you, that all these people spent at least 10 seconds thinking about it? Because a lot of people decide things much quicker than that. So how does that work? Yeah, yeah. So it's within the study, yes. But the point being that in this,

they were able to track what you were going to do before. So this is kind of a leading question. It was kind of a BS question. I feel like I wasn't prepared properly. It's a BS fucking thing. Craig, every single question is. They can't all be winners.

Impossible to answer. I didn't know they were required to wait for a certain amount of time before deciding. All right. You know what? It could have been better. I think the questions are usually.

It's an interesting fact. Peter's heartbroken right now. So what does this tell us about setting lineups on game day? It's not actually our fault. You've already decided to do it. You just do it. That's what it means. It means that everything you've,

you're like, oh, just do it. But it's funny. Like, practically in reality, it still doesn't change anything for us because we don't know what our brain has decided already.

So it still feels like we have free will. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. It's like living in the matrix. Okay. Well, on that note,

you guys get Greg Delsuch. Congratulations. I get Greg Delsich. Yeah. You get great, congrats. I get Irv Smith, Craig. Kate Otton. I want Kate Otton.

Yeah. You do. Wow. I didn't even write him down. Kate, so other guys, Evan Ingram. Yeah, he's still out there. You want a weird fact. The difference between like the 20th tight end and the 10th tight end this year is like nine points.

There's no difference. It's literally Evan Ingram is like 19th. If you had one touchdown, it'd be like 11th. What's funny is that Evan Ingram is exactly, like him and Zay Jones are just the same thing. But one's a tight end and ones. Evan Ingram, half PPR points, 8.7, 9.9. Like, he's the Ammon Do's the line for tight ends. Yes.

Yeah, he's consistent and he hasn't scored yet, and he probably will soon. So Evan Engram, I'm like, Hunter Henry, we're recording this on Monday. I don't know how Hunter Henry played on Monday night. I would watch him. And if he's good, why not? I don't know. Mack Jones is back. Who knows?

We'll see. He has more targets and more catches Hunter Henry does in those two weeks than he did the first four weeks combined. And then also, we didn't mention Joanne Johnson, who again, did have like 25 points or something on Thursday. I think Joanne Johnson is an interesting one. one last thing here. He's running a ton of routes.

He's running a route on almost 80% of the team's dropbacks. He's running a ton of routes, unlike Jason Hill who is more of a running back. So, yeah, he's definitely interesting. Okay. And then also I'll just throw out, as Craig mentioned, Harrison Bryant, who's David Injoku's backup, might be more able to step in for Injoku's role than usual. Not like great, but worth a shot.

And then Will Disley, and Robert Tanya still exist. You can go for it. Sorry, this is all really sad. Okay, quarterbacks. Mahomes and Herbert are on by. dude, Daniel Jones playing Seattle. Craig mentioned earlier Seattle's just

the Mario Kart Rainbow Strip like Daniel Jones running I mean he had 100 yards running last week that's pretty good and then if he's gone Andy Dalton's playing the Raiders probably not a ton of people

in quarterbacks this week it's basically just whoever has Russ and then you know Mahams and Herbert but like I think those two guys solid and then if you're in a two quarterback league yes Sam Ellinger for the Colts to add him

it's crazy it is to say defensively dude, the Colts defense is playing Washington and Taylor Heineke, and then the Washington defense is playing Sam Ellinger. That seems pretty good. This game is going to be funny. It's going to be ridiculous. And then also because they made the trade.

How nuts is it that the Colts in Washington are playing this week? Carson Wentz is hurt, but also like kind of being benched because they'll have to give up a draft pick if he plays too many snaps. So Wentz isn't playing for Washington. And the Colt, and Matt Ryan's not playing for the cults. It's ridiculous. It's a comedy of screw-ups. Jaguar's defense is playing the Broncos and Brett Rippian.

And again, Broncos have scored seven touchdowns and eight games. Rippin. Six, eight touchdowns and seven games. It's Rippin. Oh, I said Rippin. Is it really? That's what you guys corrected me last night. I said Rippian.

It's phonetically it's Rippian, but I don't think that's how it's going to. Actually, I can't believe it's Rippin. Also, it shows that got things backward like 10 minutes ago. I was talking about the Broncos. And I said seven touchdowns in eight games, it's eight and seven. but it doesn't matter. They're bad at scoring touchdowns. So Jaggars versus the Broncos.

Jags Day, the Broncos get scored. Raiders versus the Saints, I don't know. I didn't know like three picks last week. And they were like kind of weird, but regardless they're jumbled. And the Titans are playing the Texans. Titans defense is good. Texans. Craig loves the Texans, but sorry.

Texans are going to win that game. You just know it. Looking at that, you know they're going to win. It's just one of those games. All right. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Jesse, for production help.

Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, Nirvana. Whoa, big one. I kind of, I view these band selections, kind of like the rewatchables now, where it's like one for them, one for me, where, you know, Bill will sometimes do, like, proof of life with Chris Ryan. And that's like, D.K. pulling out some, like, indie band from Seattle. And then every once in a while, Bill's like, fuck it. We're doing Raiders of the Los Art.

And that's what DK just says, like, Taylor Swift. Wait, are you saying Nirvana is an indie band from Seattle? No, no, no. I'm saying Nirvana is a big one. Got it. Got it. Yeah. that's one for the people.

He was comparing it to the Indiana Jones. Yeah, I think that's pretty true. I like to mix it up. I'm not trying to do like some random band no one's ever heard of every single time. Right. Like Stan Getz. So you are trying to do that sometimes.

Stan Getz is like Raiders of the Lost Dark asshole. All right? He's big. Well, he's actually not like the Warriors of Lost Time. What is the movie equivalent of Stan gets? If no one's ever asked that question. The first time now. I love when you ask the question that's never been asked before.

If Stade gets were a movie, wow, it's a good one. It's like one of those, like, movies that's in black and white and that gets nominated for an Oscar, and it's like foreign film. Bill's best take is that the Oscars should be five years after they come out. I mean, that's kind of what the rewatchables is. Like, we don't do movies that had just come out unless there's like some, you know, extenuating circumstance. But most of the time, Bill wants to wait five years so we can like let the movie marinate and see how you feel better. Five years later. Smart.

Shape of Water beat get out. I saw Shape of Water in theater. Fish man. I didn't see it. I was confused why everyone at the office was doing that like hand motion. I was like, you're talking about the fish sex? Yeah.

She has sex with the fish man. I don't even know what to say to that. No idea how to respond. Me neither. All right. Let's go. Goodbye, everyone.