The Ringer NFL Show - Week 1 Awards

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

We recap an eventful opening weekend in the NFL by giving out our Week 1 awards, including Winner of the Week, The Panic Button, Weird Flex but OK, The Player You Won’t Acknowledge Is Good, and more. Later we induct our first player into the 2021 Fantasy Burn Book, and run through the injuries from today. Check out The Ringer’s 2021 Fantasy Football Draft Guide here. Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everybody, this is Warren Sharp, NFL analyst over at Sharp Football Analysis. I want to welcome you to The Ringer Gambling Show. Join me on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays each week during the NFL season with guests Chris Vernon, Ben Solac, and Joe House to guide you through the NFL betting landscape. We'll be talking spreads, game totals, parlays, player props, futures, and much, much more. Be sure to follow the Ringer Gambling Show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. show, my name is Danny Hypertz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. We're going to be coming to you

every Sunday night to be giving out awards. This is immediately after the afternoon games have ended. So Sunday night football has not happened yet. And obviously Monday not either. So with the exception of those two games, we're going to be going out giving out awards for all the awards that we have, all the games from week one. We're just going to jump right into it. DK. Yo. Week one, all but two games are in the books. Who is your week one winner? Well, there's a lot of them, but I think the first one that comes to mind for me is Kyler Murray from the Cardinals just came in. And obviously there was a lot at stake, I think, with the Cardinals this year.

Cliff Kingsbury Experiment has been a thing we've been talking about all offseason. It just hasn't really been what we'd expected it or hoped that would it be the first couple seasons. And they came out and dropped 38 points on the Titans. I think that, you know, it's been really, really solid. Kyler Murray, five total touchdowns, 2809 passing yards, four touchdowns, one pick. he added five rushes for 20 yards and a touchdown on the ground. So I don't know, I think to me, just Kyler Murray coming in and just absolutely looking explosive, looking really good through the air.

Their offense looked more diverse and creative. And to me it was just all good things for that squad. What did you think, Craig? Yeah, you know, we talked about Kyler Murray and like whether or not he was going to do like the running thing. Like if we thought he would kind of slow it down, it looked like he wasn't going to. Like the first quarter, I think he had all of his rushing yards. You know, he had that rushing touchdown at the end there of like the first quarter. He had like 20 yards.

But it doesn't seem to matter. I don't know if it's just Tennessee's defense. But Kyler, you know, Kyler's back. Kyle's doing Kyler things. Was Cliff Kingsbury's play calling that much better? Or does the Tennessee Titans defense just suck? That's actually my question for D.K. Is that part, like, I still feel like Kyler looked incredible.

I mean, he had that one play where he like rolled out and found Hopkins in the back of the end zone. But it still felt like pick up football like that, it's just two incredible athletic players doing stuff on their own more than it was like a cohesive plan? Is it just the Titans are bad, D.K.? I mean, that could be part of it for sure. But I mean, at the end of the day, it's tough to separate that all out.

I think they can't pick their opponent this week. They looked really good. I think that's really promising. If they would have stumbled out the gates, that would have been much more concerning. And so all things considered, I'm really, you know, I was just happy with how he looked. I think through the games,

now, and we're just now before Sunday night football, so through all the afternoon games, he is the QB1 so far. So, you know, hard to find. It's hard to complain about that. I'm not picking nits. Obviously, the defense does matter, but, I mean, what he did was really impressive, and I think it was an excellent, excellent start for them. But he went over on his prop, by the way, his passingers.

I think it was like 256 or something like that. So hit the over on that. I liked it. Unbelievable. The other winner for this week that stands out is Jalen Hertz. was unbelievable today. I mean, the rushing floor is there. He had like seven carries for like 62 yards.

But he also just looked good as a pastor. I feel like there's all these qualifications when you talk about Hertz. It's like, well, he's not a good thrower. 264 yards, three touchdowns. And the second touchdown he threw to Dallas Goddard. He fit it into this window that if Patrick Mahomes did it or Justin Herbert did it or Trevor Lawrence did it,

we would be fawning over Jalen Hertz. Yeah. But Hertz does it so no one talks about how he's a good pastor. He was unbelievable today. He was, I just, it hurts so impressed me and I think answered a lot of questions about, quite frankly, how good it is. Yeah. I'm glad I bet on him for in fantasy leagues.

Feeling pretty good. Feeling validated right now for Jalen. Yeah, so through the afternoon games, he's right now the QB5, 28 points in fantasy. I mean, and that touchdown play too, and I think this is kind of what made me so excited about him coming into the season is what he does to mitigate any issues they have on the front, in their offensive line.

I know that their offensive line, I think, is going to be better this year than it was last year because they had so many injuries on the offensive line last year. But even when pressure comes through, and I think on that touchdown play, he broke the pocket, escaped pressure and still found the guy, you know, found Goddard in the back of the end zone or whatever. And so, I don't know, just the way that he can mitigate that issue and move and keep plays alive and things like that, I think is just going to be so key for that offense. and, you know, obviously, Devante Smith looked really good. I think his first catch as a pro was a touchdown, which is just awesome.

You know, and so, I don't know, I'm just getting more excited about this Eagles offense. I kind of, I felt like I was almost overhyping them a little bit coming into the season. I was like putting too many eggs in the Jalen Hearst basket, but so far so good with what he was able to do. And I think, you know, they're going to definitely, this is the same deal with like the Kyler question. They're going to face better defenses down the stretch. you know, let's not get too ahead of ourselves, but he looked really solid. And hyphins, like you said, the passing was crisp. It was, he was accurate. All that stuff is really promising because we knew he had that rushing floor, but being able to do that in the air is really

important too. I feel like he's the winner of the sigh of relief award. Like he has, like, he gave out the most dopamine today for fantasy managers. Like, he's in first place with like the people who are like holding their breath. Like he, everybody was the most nervous about him. Like, it was such a risk taking like, you know, whatever round pick you did on him or spending as much as you did in an auction draft. And he, like, super paid off. And you're feeling really good right now. He is number one in the list of guys you're feeling really good about after week one.

Yeah, because there's always this worry in the back of your mind that he could get benched. You know, they traded for, they traded for what's his face from the Jags. I can't even, I'm blanking of his name. Yeah, Minchu. And, you know, there's always just that risk that a guy could, like, have such a bad passing performance that he just get benched. But, yeah, really, really promising. I think, and it also showed, too, that, like,

Nick Siriani is just not like a donkey and he's going to be the way that they were doing their offense was conducive to like Hertz's skill set. I liked what they did with the running backs. Gainwell looked impressive. You know, all that stuff I thought was just really promising.

Again, the month when Jalen Hertz was the starter last year, he was the third quarterback in all fantasy. He was only behind Josh Allen Lamar Jackson. Today he was fifth quarterback. There's two games left, but he's fifth. But the guys ahead of, one is Jared Goff, who nobody started. The other is James Winston, who almost nobody started.

So he basically was the third quarterback anyway. So, I mean, again, Hurts is incredible. Craig, who's your winner for the week? It's the Bengals. Signs of Life from Cincinnati. Really bad vibes in Cincinnati. All preseason, all training camp, just nothing was going well. Burrow was like, I'm really nervous about my knee.

And Jamar Chase was like, I don't like the football because it doesn't have stripes on it. And the offense just seemed out of sorts. But today, they beat Minnesota in overtime. Burrow looked pretty sharp. I mean, like, he looked really stiff and he got sacked a lot. And the poor guy was, like, already limping around. I was already upset about Joe Burroughs career because you know he's just going to be like constantly hurt.

He's like Ben Rothesberger. He's just always like limping and hurt. I feel like he's already got the knees of a 40-year-old. However, he looked really good. Jamar Chase looked good out of nowhere. Just sure, 100 yards in a touchdown. T. Higgins looked really solid. Yeah, Joe Mixon, I feel like, you know,

this is probably the best week one he's had. And now this is finally Joe Mixon's season, you know? Is it finally going to happen year three, year four for him? And he had 150 yards in a touchdown. So yeah, I mean in PPR, so there's two games left on the slate, but in PPR right now, he is the running back too. And this is I think the, I guess like the allure of mixing and why people had been excited about mixing coming into the season in the last couple seasons is, is his usage and his upside is that like McCaffrey-esque thing where they're using him all three downs. They're getting him involved in the passing game. He's good on the ground. He's explosive, all that stuff. And, you know, we're just seeing that 29 carries. If that's not the top this week, it's going to be close. Right now, it's the the top. Number two is Mark Ingram, which is random as hell. Say it again? They did play five quarters essentially, but still, in the first four alone, he got a lot of touches. So, okay, the losers of the week, D.K., who is your biggest loser for the week? All right. So, I mean, the first one that

kind of comes to mind, it wasn't like he was the worst quarterback this week, but Ryan Tannhill from the Titans was kind of disappointing. It was very disappointing. In fact, just because, you know, there was all this talk of how much of an impact was Arthur Smith. on his career resurgence, you know, because he came in to, he came to the Titans as a backup. He'd washed out of Miami. I don't think many people were super optimistic about him going forward. And then all of a sudden he turned into this top five, top three, depending on what stats you're looking at, quarterback in the NFL, in efficiency and all that good stuff.

And Arthur Smith was clearly a big part of that. Now, I don't know how we can't necessarily say like Ryan Tanhill's turning back into a pumpkin because Arthur Smith is now gone. but it was not a great start and it was not encouraging what they were able to get from their offense based on, you know, like, Julio Jones had a dud of a game. They struggled to move the ball on the ground.

It just, I don't know, none of it was good. He was sacked five times by Chandler Jones alone. He took six sacks in the game. He only averaged six yards per attempt on like, I think he threw like 30 passes and only had like 200 and something yards. So it was just, you know, really anemic offense. He just didn't look crispy.

didn't look solid. Disappointing. I feel like Adam Gase was sitting at home, sipping a glass of brandy. Being like, I tried to tell you guys. Nobody believed me. It wasn't me, all right? It wasn't just me.

Is Arthur Smith the anti, the bizarreo, Adam Gase, where it's just like anytime people leave Arthur Smith, they just do terrible. Who knows? Well, the Falcons look pretty bad, too. I don't think anyone won the whole Julio trade and then Titans,

coordinator goes to Atlanta, Atlanta since Hulio. I don't think anyone won that whole swap. Agreed. Yeah, that's probably right. Also, it's not just Tannahill, though. Like, you've got Julio Jones in a game where they were down 24 to 6 at halftime and theoretically Tennessee should be throwing.

Julio Jones had, what do you have? Like four catches? Three catches. 30 yards? I don't think so. Here, I'm looking up right now. Three catches, 29 yards. 29 yards in a game where Tennessee really should have been throwing for three quarters.

And then Derek Henry, exactly as Craig predicted. And, like, I feel like I, avoiding. Henry this year was a godsend because he went back to being regular Derek Henry. He got like 16 carries, didn't even get 60 rushing yards. So in a game where Derek Henry, it's a terrible script for him to be on the field, they're not going to run early.

Derek Henry did bad. But then Julio Jones didn't even do well. So just overall, this is like a really bad scenario for Tennessee and their defense is so bad that it feels like they're going to have more of these. Yeah, I mean, we've said it before on the pod. Like, Derek Henry averages 50 yards of rushing when he wins and he averages 100 yards. Oh, I'm sorry,

he averages 50 yards of rushing when they lose. a hundred when they win. Brutal. Craig. Absolutely brutal. While we're on Atlanta there for biggest loser. Yeah, you know, it's really tough. There's another award here called the Panic Button Award, and I'm going to combine this

with the losers to talk about Atlanta because it was rough. They lost 32 to 6 to the Eagles. Everything was bad. They got dominated across the board, but man, Matt Ryan's seven points. Mike Davis eight points. Calvin Ridley, seven. Kyle Pitts, the greatest tight end of all time, four catches 31 yards. Not a single person looks good.

I think Calvin Ridley had like a 20-yard catch in the first play of the game. And I was like, oh, great. And the Falcons marched down and got a field goal. And I was like, oh, cool. They're going to be like the Falcons. And then it all went downhill from there. Panic button mode, are you pressing the panic button?

Is your finger hovering over it? Who among these four people are you the most panicked about? I would imagine Ridley is probably the one you're the least panicked about. All I want to say is that if I told you guys that Mike Davis would outscore Calvin Ridley and Matt Ryan and Kyle Pitts, what would you have said? I would have doubled the amount of money I spent on him in my draft. Yeah, so give me some more context on that. Give me some context.

Does it worry you, High Fitz? Because we talked about Mike Davis a ton this preseason and everything. Does it worry you that Corderole Patterson had seven rushes for 54 yards and like was pretty solid and it's clearly their RB2? Corderole Patterson did look very good 100%. I will not deny that. He looked fantastic. The one thing I'll say about Mike Davis is he got two carries like at the two yard line, I believe, and then he got another, like, target that if Matt Ryan had thrown a better pass, he would have scored a touchdown. So, yeah, he had like 49 yards and, what are you, like three catches for 23, but he also

almost had two touchdowns. So I maintain what I've been saying the entire offseason. It's like he's a two-down back who gets goal line opportunities. I don't see why he's different than like Miles Sanders and Josh Jacobs and all the guys were going on. Yeah, the usage, I think it was fine. What was the number we said that Kyle Pitts needed to hit for us not to be upset? It was like 50 or 60 yards?

60. We said 60. Kyle Pitts ended up with 31 yards, unfortunately. Not bad. He had eight targets, but also because they were losing a lot the whole time.

Anyway, it's his first game. But I think we're bearing the lead here. The biggest loser today was Aaron Rogers. Like, there's no question about this. I think Aaron Rogers himself would get this. Other than maybe Taylor Luan

who gave up five sacks and then was like, thank you, Chandler Jones for blowing me up and making me exposed. Aaron Rogers, I think the Packers losing today. They lost 38 to 3 to the Saints.

I think it's one of the most astonishing losses. I can remember. For context. The Saints beat the Packers today 38 to 3. Last year, when the Denver Broncos

had to play the Saints with Kendall Hinton a freaking receiver at quarterback, the Saints beat them only 31 to 3. Hinton was Shifty, though. It's like,

Rogers got beat worse than Kendall Hinton and the Broncos. This is the lowest amount of points Rogers has ever scored in his career as a start of that he didn't leave the game injured in. And it's the worst fantasy

performance of Roger's career. I mean, it's up there with his word. like just foot he looked terrible like worst football performance of his career other than maybe like his rookie year or whatever when he was just getting his feet wet but yeah I mean this was this was ugly I didn't I did not expect the Saints defense to play this well against him um and I mean I just expected a lot more from this offense it just looked like they hadn't been practicing the Packers game it was kind of like a baseball game in that there's nuggets from it like baseball has like the

most specific stats that you can pull this Packers game was like a baseball game because there's all these weird little nuggets, one of which was Rogers threw five interceptions last season, but there was a three throw stretch today where he had two picks. Dizarre. So I guess, do you, are you at all,

like, what happened? I really don't know. Honestly, it's flabbergasting because they were the most efficient, one of the most efficient offenses last year. They just fired on all solon. across the board. They're a really good offense year before that too. But I mean like this is the reigning MVP. Like this is kind of crazy that this happened. I really don't know.

How embarrassing is it that Rogers did the whole I wanted to be traded, get me to a new team. I might retire. Last dance. Come back. And then this is how they begin. And Jordan Love throws for 70 yards on like seven throws. Denver is going to reject the trade now for Rogers. And he'd be like, we're good. We like Teddy. Rogers is the loser the day but another just honorable mention to Urban Meyer which debut against the Texans who we had

all kind of agreed were probably the worst team in professional American sports and they were down I mean they lost 37 to 21 which looks more respectable than it was because they were down 30 points yeah yeah they got housed like Tyrod was moving the ball on Jacksonville here's the real question if I told you that Urban Meyer

where like Urban Meyer leaves to go back to college football this season, like the Bobby Petrino goes to take the USC job or something. What odds do you need to bet on that? How does that work contractually? Can he just do that? How does that work? Let's say the contract is not, let's say

that he gets out of the contract and he's just like, I don't know. Just say the contract stuff works out. USC pays for it. If it was, I don't know, plus 800? Or let me put it another way. What is the date at which you think Urban Meyer will be back in college? Give me a date. Like an over or under.

Before after. They're one in nine. Him and Lawrence getting a heated argument at practice and he's out. He's retiring at halftime. If I give you January 3rd, 2020, would you take before after? He's back in college. He's in college before that.

Wow. Okay. Moving on. Panic button. While we're in Panic button, Jaguars, panic button falcons. Brandon Ayuk, dude. This one was weird. This one was very weird.

49ers receiver did not play in the first series of the game. Screw the Niners. Can we, yeah, can we just acknowledge the fact that Kyle Shanahan's kind of a weirdo when it comes to their skill players? West Coast Patriots kind of vibes. They also, dude, the Niners almost lost that game. At some point, like, as we're all, like, being like Shanhan's like the B-all end all for offense and he's amazing at it. They just blow a lot of leads, dude. At some point, the whole Falcons think that he left on there, like at some point,

we have to kind of be like Shanahan just blows games that he needs the way like the fact that this was even close is crazy the weird motivational things like for instance like we talked about this earlier this morning they they randomly just sit down uh tray sermon uh make him a healthy scratch that's weird and i'm not saying like the other guys look bad because they have good running backs but i just think that's bizarre and then then he comes back and brandon i yuk plays less i think fewer than half the snaps this and trent sherfield is playing ahead of them sounds like beat reporters are saying that Sherfield just straight up beat Iook out in camp and I mean I you know I guess I on one hand I'm like go for the competition like it's good for your team foster competition you don't

give anybody a job or whatever but I don't know it's just bizarre that he he basically fell down the pecking order because he had a hamstring injury the last like week and a half and it was you know sort of out of his control and now he comes in and he's just in the doghouse like I don't know it's just bizarre to me their offense look fine though I mean at the end of the day Devo Samuel looked awesome. Sherfield scored a touchdown. Yeah, Brandon Ayuk had zero catches on zero targets, while Debo Samuel had nine catches for 189

yards. This was probably the most shocking. I think the most shocking surefire. This guy's going to be a good starter this year. He's going to be awesome. He had one of the most promising rookie seasons we've seen from a receiver, rookie receiver in years, and now he's a backup.

So it's so weird. Let me ask you this. Do you start him next week, or no way? You got to wait and see you. No, you have to wait. you absolutely have to wait i think while we're on the niners just let's touch on just there's a bunch of heartbreaking injuries this week one of which rheim mostered oh my god so this could also have been a loser the loser the week is everyone who started rheim mostered because as you said dk tray sermon the other running back for the niners is a healthy scratch so it's like holy cow the niner's are going to romp over the lions they're going to run the entire second half moster it's going to crush it yeah

i started moistered everywhere i told everyone to start mostered everywhere i probably if you're listening, you may have heard me tell you start Rahimostert, first two carries 20 yards, immediately injures his knee, and I'm like, wow, I'm an idiot. Then the next two guys who come with the only other nineers running back to the guy, who are, what is it, Elijah Mitchell and Michael

Hastie, immediately, like, Elijah Mitchell breaks off like a 70-yard run. They combine with like 100 yards, two touchdowns, and it's like, oh, my God. Now, not only do you have Rohi-Moster and you're mad, and you didn't get anything for him, and he's hurt, and we don't know the severity of the injury. Now we also have to deal with the 49ers running back,

Carousel for the rest of the season. It was a great signifier that fantasy football had begun, though. You know what I mean? Like, it's not fantasy football season unless Rohinger Hoster's questionable to return with a knee injury. So that was some familiarity back in the world. I mean, yeah, this is something we talked about with Moster all offseason too, though. It's like he's so explosive.

He's perfect for this offense. His skill set, the way he can explode to the sideline and get up field, he just like annihilates pursuit angles from defenders, all this stuff. He's so perfect for that scheme. But the reason he's not, he was never ranked any higher. And the reason, frankly, we had sermon ranked higher this year, I think, because we just don't trust Moster to stay healthy. We just do not trust it.

Now, obviously, the sermon thing is a whole other story because no one expected him to just be a healthy scratch week one. Like, I think that is a shock to everyone. It's Sunday 8 Eastern. We are going to check in, like, in our next episode on, like, why that happened. Well, from what I heard from Shanahan, it was this. He just wasn't as good as the other guys. Like Elijah Mitchell just beat him out.

Cool. Sweet. That's awesome. So, I mean, just bizarre. And that's, I mean, I think part of that is, number one, Shannon is just weird. But number two, no one reported that during the preseason. No one even, like, hinted at that, I think, over the last couple weeks.

So it just really did come out of left field. But end of the day, this is just a classic moster because, you know, we love the talent. We love the fit. We love the scheme. We love this offense. but you just cannot trust him. You just can't trust him. Can't trust those knees.

Speaking of trust issues, you shouldn't trust anyone because the world is a cold and lonely place. And, you know, not something is connected, but Jerry Judy, terrible ankle injury carted off. We don't know if it's broken,

but like, that was, to me, the worst part of the day. Wait, we do know if it's not broken, right? The results came back negative. There was, yeah, there was one report that it came back negative. Tom Pelosi.

He has a high ankle sprain according to this report. Yeah, high ankle sprain. Clearly that's better than, And my initial fear was straight like he broke his ankle. It looked really bad. It was like it almost looked like the DAC injury from last year on first watch. And so I'm really happy that it wasn't that serious if the reports are correct.

Well, the weird thing about you saying that is I think, I mean, I thought that too. But the weird thing is Logan Ryan, the Giants defensive back, that's who tackled Dak on that play. And he was like the second defender in there. It's like Logan Ryan standing over Judy and Dak on both those plays. That was kind of freaky. Not that he did on purpose or anything. It just it was a weird thing. at the end of the day, he's going to be out

extended period of time. Well, high ankle sprain is still a terrible injury. I mean, it ruined Odell. Odell like three years ago had an high uncle sprain and it just ruined his season. Michael Thomas had the ironcl sprain that, I mean, now has continued into this season and that happened what? Week one or week two last year?

Yeah, I think, yeah. And it's safe to probably consider Judy unstartable for the rest of the season. Wouldn't you say? Yeah, if he goes on IR and you get an IR spot that's an IR spot. that's an IR spot. That's cool.

Otherwise, you might need to drop him depending on the severity. Obviously, we don't know that... I don't know if we can say that he's done for the year. If he has a high ankle sprain,

like I think maybe he could be out like six to eight weeks and come back, no? I mean, yeah, I'm not saying drop him. Don't drop him. But yeah, this is,

it's not good. I mean, he's going to be out to... And he was playing really well, like, might we add? Like, he got hurting like the early third. He already had 72 yards.

The problem of the high ankle spring... He looks really good. Is that if you come back too soon, you can really mess it up. And so these are athletes, obviously, they're competitive, they want to come back. But a lot of them come back too soon, and it's tough.

I mean, it's not good. It's sake and one high ankle sprain. Anyway, it sucks about Judy. Well, hopefully we get more information of that injury in the next couple days. Also, T. Higgins got caught it off, but apparently just needed an IV, so I think he's all right.

That would all, thank God, yeah. Ryan Fitzpatrick injured his hip. Ian Rappaport from NFL Network tweets, believed to have suffered a hip sublixation. Oh, he was angry. you know, sublux, do you guys have any of what that means? I do not know what that means.

Subluxation, no. So there you go. We'll find out more about that later. We don't know the severity, but hopefully he's all right because obviously hip injuries are bad. I don't think it's going to, it doesn't feel like it's a situation

where he's going to be starting next week. So just looking forward, I would say, does this mean you downgrade like McLaurin the season? A guy like, well, certainly Diami Brown who didn't look good in his first game. And then, I don't know,

Antonio Gibson, are we worried about just generally speaking this entire offense now? I think Gibson actually gets down great a little because Heineke's mobile. Heineke can run in balls. Heineke is probably just as much of a touchdown vulture as like, I don't know. I'm trying to think. Mahomes, Mahomes stole a touchdown from Clyde today. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely, it's not good.

Fantasy Jealousy Award, you watch week one and there are some guys where you're just like, oh my God, why didn't I just draft that guy? for me it was just T.J. Hawkinson. I loved Hawkinson and I feel like every draft I had, he got snipped for me. And as I watched him, I literally was like, he is baby George Kittle. And I cannot believe I did not have more Tija Hawkinson in my leagues, which was the long hair. The long hair plays. He looks good.

Yeah, it's just he's like, he's like Kittles' little brother. Do you guys have anyone, Dika, do you have someone like that where you're just like, how do I not have? Yeah. So week one, one reaction I had was, man, I wish I had drafted more Corey Davis because he looked really good, explosive out there. clearly the number one target for Zach Wilson. I was coming into the game thinking like, oh, Elijah Moore, he's going to take over. He's got so many good reviews from preseason. Elijah Moore was invisible in this game.

It was Corey Davis. It was the Corey Davis show. He had seven targets, five catches, 97 yards, two touchdowns, and his first game as a jet. Obviously, that's very promising. But he just, like, I test two, it looked really good. And so I think he's a sneaky guy who could end up being a wide receiver too, and you could get him so cheap in drafts all summer. It's just, for whatever reason, someone either just took him right before I was going to take him or I just was not buying into the hype quite enough.

You know, he's had such, he's just sort of disappointing throughout the first four years of his career. And so, yeah, I don't know. I just wish I had more Corey Davis because I think he's just going to be really solid all season. Yeah, mine is, I got two. It's once again, I do it every year. It's Travis Kelsey. I yet again did not draft him because I thought maybe this would. be the year. It's super not. He had 76 yards and two touchdowns. A clutch touchdown. He was like

screaming at the Kansas City crowd. Like looks as better as good as he's ever looked. Corrects the human Bernie Sanders meme where he's like, I am once again coming to tell you. I wish I had drafted Travis Kelsey. Yeah, so that's kind of perennially a disappointment in myself that I'd never pull the trigger. And then Nick Chubb. Yeah. I always am out on Nick Chubb and man, that guy just has 100 yards in a touchdown every single week. It doesn't matter who they play. He gets like 15 to 18 carries, and it always equals 100 yards in a touchdown. He looked great today.

And Hyvitz and I are both out. We were not out, but, you know, it's like, I'm always just lukewarm on Nick Chub. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's name. The whole, I'm always out on guys who don't catch passes, like the Derek Henry's. And I'm usually wrong.

And I was wrong today. I wasn't out on Chubb. I love Nick Chubb. I just had to begrudgingly move him down because I think I originally had him way too high and you guys looked at me like I was nuts. Yeah. I freaking love Nick Chub.

All right. the most important part of the whole show. It's Perrin book time. Can I nominate somebody? You guys let me know what you think? Yeah. Yeah. I think we don't need all three of us to agree,

but I think we need all three of us to like understand, you know? Like they have to allow it. Right. I'm going to nominate Rahim Moster. I know it's rude. Wow. Because he hurt his knee. I know it's rude to you heard of me.

But it happens so often. Like it's just so rude the way he does it. Like get hurt in the fourth. Oh, he's rude to you. I thought we were rude to him for, we're rude to him, but because he was rude to us. I don't know. This just happens every year now.

It's just so annoying. We get all hyped on him every single time. Like, get hurt in the pregame or get hurt in the fourth. I'm joking. I don't actually... We don't want you to get hurt. But like, man... Right.

I understand what you're saying. He's the most frustrating running back to having the league. Well, also, the fact that it happens, like, not even three carries into the season is because that's the entire book on Rameausterer is, if he's healthy, he'll be great. Healthy for averaging 10 yards of character. Here's a fun fact. Rehahe Moster, I believe, averages over six yards of carry for his career.

And that's going up now because he averages 10 today. Well, and there's almost now, there's kind of two types of injury prone. There's the Mike Williams and the Rahim Moster where they can't fit. They play a lot of games, but they can never finish them. And then there's the guys who just like pull their hammies and miss like five weeks at a time. Rahim Moster, though, it's the more frustrating kind where they're like, they can never finish the game. They're always like gutting it out to start and like you read the Roto World Report and it's like,

Rahim Moster is going to give it a go today. And you're like, oh, okay, cool. And he leaves in the second quarter. I'd rather the guy who's just a DNP because he's like, no, you know what? I'm going to wait. But Mike Williams and Rahim Moster types, they don't do that, and it's more annoying.

So I'm nominating him for the burn book. I think this is totally, it's an overreaction, I would say, but it's actually all so fair because this is exactly, like I said before, this is exactly what we talked about all offseason. It's just so good, so talented, so explosive, but he gets hurt. and very frequently, and it often just totally fucks you over.

So does this mean you're just, if you have him on your team, you're just not starting him ever again? Is that the deal? I don't know. I need to see like a, like he needs like a passive physical. No, you can't not. You're not going to start Mosterd again? If it, if the report is Mostert is going to give it a go in week two,

I honestly don't know if I would. Week two, that's fine. But if he does come back, like the whole, it's so annoying because again, the guys who replaced him just immediately. just had 100 yards and two touchdowns. It's just infuriating. And also not to mention the fact that imagine if the lines hadn't actually been able to come back

and they would have gotten like another 70 rushing yards. Like the amount of times that you actually guess right and Mostert plays the entire game, is that worth all the other times where you're wrong and he leaves halfway through? I don't know. I don't know. It's an infuriating problem.

It is an infuriating problem and that's why you're able to get him like, you know, 80th or 90th because that's around the range where you're willing to take on that age. Are we allowing him to be in the book or no? I think I don't allow it. I think I'll allow. Yeah, we can put him in the burp.

In the book? It is, it is, yeah, it's upsetting. It's, we can put them in the burp. It is, it is upsetting. Let's get to weird flex, but okay. Which is a guy who was a weird flex, but did pretty okay. Maybe better than okay. You know, sometimes you get to teat your own horn.

I'm just going to do a little toot, too, too. Okay. For Jamal Williams, who outscored DeAndre Swift, but it's okay because Deke and I don't have to fight because DeAndre Swift and Jamal Williams both had like more, like, I think over 25 PPR points apiece. Jamal Williams caught, what is it, seven or eight passes, got the touchdown, got me the plus 250 Jamal Williams to score. Freaking love Jamal.

Right now, going into Sunday night football, they are the RB3 and RB4, respectively, in PPR. So, yeah, I mean, I feel like it's a win-win for us. Also, I'm going to just piggyback on this because I did not expect Jared Goff to score 28 fantasy points today. Oh, my God, that was crazy. Halfway through the game, it was looking very grim for this lion's offense. I granted some of this was

I mean it felt like garbage time but they ended up actually coming back and making this a game they got an onside kick at the last at the you know with under two minutes to go it doanked off of George Kittles face mask like it was just a crazy play but they actually ended up making this game Jared Goff made some nice throws his touchdown

throw late in the game to CFS I think was really nice and then he he had he hit CFIS for a two point two point conversion later in the like the next play or whatever I don't know. He looked pretty solid to me, especially in the second half. In the first half, he looked awful. I don't know how repeatable.

Once they were down 30 points, yeah, he was going to say this. I was going to say this. I was going to think this is repeatable, and it's not something that you're going to want to hang your hat on, like Jared Goff, QB1. But I just want to throw it out there and give him props.

He was solid. He looked pretty good. I mean, 28 points. Maybe the Lions quarterback job is like, Shining Hotel where like, you just become Stafford when you're there. Like Jared Goff, that was a very Stafford game, or you're down a lot,

you have a huge fourth quarter. Like, maybe Jared Goff will now just be Detroit Stafford. I kind of like this. And everyone becomes Detroit Stafford when you show up to that team. Yeah, I really like this. That was good. Did you just come up with that? I did, yeah.

That was pretty good. Wow. All right, well, you earned it. Do you have another weird flex, but okay, Craig? This is a tut-toot as well. Maybe this category is really just tuttoot. Just tuttoot. Tooting your own horn.

Our own horns? Just to tune too. Kind of weird. I just wanted to call out everybody who says that Mike Williams isn't good because he was great today. Just at eight catches. Don't say everyone.

It was me. I said Mike Williams wasn't good. Well, no, I said it's not that he wasn't good. It's that he's an infuriating fantasy player. People have come at me. I don't think Bill was into Mike Williams. No one's into Mike Williams. Everybody makes fun of me about Mike Williams.

Eight catches, 82 yards. 12 targets, caught a touchdown. Almost caught a second. He's legit. I love Mike Williams. Herbert looks fantastic. Mike Williams is the fantasy guy. stats not reflect how good he played.

Mike Williams is the fantasy version of the, I know there's issues, but like I can fix him because you've never tried before. And like this is just him luring your win. And you will have this game in your head the entire season. And it will justify all the weeks to get you two and a half points. But this is it. This is he lose you in.

This is the Deshaun Jackson. Siren song. 25 point game before he gets all, all those like one catch for 19 yard performances in the future. He had 12 targets. You think that's, that's fraudulent? Yeah, a little.

Okay. We'll see. I kind of do. All right. Oh, this is, I guess we actually did this category already. I guess they just kind of started it. But as players we don't want to acknowledge

are actually good fantasy players award, I think I just let it off with Mike Williams. Do you guys have anyone else? Yeah, this is actually a good pivot from the tooting your own horns section. I want to add that real quick, Joanne Johnson, baby. Two touchdowns.

Oh, yeah. Go and toot, D.K., if we're going to two their own horns. Just have two touchdowns, now incredible. The opposite of this category, would be players were like, damn it,

they were much, much better than we were expecting or hoping. Melvin Gordon for the Broncos to me was a little too explosive, a little too spry looking

for my... Why, because he had a 70-yard touchdown in the games that we were talking about? Yeah, like, you know what I mean?

I came into the season thinking, oh, he's dust, he's old, he's like, they played him in the final pre-season game. They don't care what he's, you know,

going to do this year. It's all about Giovante. He's a very solid part of this offense. He still looks pretty good. I think it's going to be a thorn in Javante's side. So this is definitely worrisome, and I acknowledge that I should have probably

been more aware of this. Javante Williams did outrush him in terms of attempts. It was 14 to 11, but Melvin Gordon busted out that one big run, scored a touchdown, was involved in the passing game. So, yeah, I mean, it's discouraging for Giovante Williams' truthers like me. Well, the one thing I'll say, though, is the Giants' defense.

The giant's defense is good, and the Giants' defensive line is good. Yeah. I don't know what the opposite of a toot is because backwards it's also two but I just want to say I want to apologize because I said the Giants offense would be really bad even if Sequin was in

and they just wouldn't perform well I didn't believe in Daniel Jones and I was wrong. Oh wait no, the Giants absolutely suck. They're the worst freaking team. I actually think they were the worst team I watched today and that's, I don't think it's biased. So sorry, yeah, the Giants are awful.

Craig. The first quarter Steelers were really close with the Giants. I was like, oh, they're the worst team of all time. And then they kind of got a little bit better. Are you trying to compare the Giants to the Steelers who just beat the bills today? No, no.

First quarter, though, I was pretty nervous. How the hell did the Steelers win that game? Dude, they're D-line. Destroyed. Wait, we were going to keep going to this category, but can I just quickly tell you what the worst part of my day was, like, not other than, like, Judy getting hurt and actual people's health, but, like, the worst part of my day

was when the Giants decided it was like 27 to, like, seven, I think. and there was one second on the clock and the Jones put the five yard line and they decided they were gonna just try to score a touchdown to just lose by I don't know 13 instead of like 20 and they go drop back and Dan Jones has nobody open.

The time's expired like the game is they're down by 20 points with one second left. Dan Jones has no one open and he just like screw and he runs in runs in for the touchdown and there's zero time left they're down by 14 points and then the Fox graphic pox up with touchdown Daniel Jones and he's like the cartoon

Daniel Jones is looking at the real Daniel Jones and I was like what is my fucking life? It's like this is Daniel Jones' 10th rushing touchdown of his career. Anyway, sorry. Speaking of play, you were right, you were right,

Sequin, rough, rough start. Very rough start for Sequin. So yeah, props for that. That's a new category. Heifitz vence about the Giants' loss. Also, I want to point out my hot take on Ronald Jones was terrible. Your hot take on

Josh Allen maybe maybe he's actually working out here so for people that don't remember we did a hot take episode my hot take is that it was a take purge the take purge my bed

cleansed ourselves and yours was that Josh Allen is going to go back to sucking which was probably the most out there one of the entire group and I mean he just didn't look great today you didn't look great against a good defense but

it was weird weather the defense is really good but yeah it was the best the great the play that I don't want to acknowledge as a good fantasy players Brandon Cook

Yeah Oh my God I'm in that hell Everybody just was like Somebody caught passes in Houston You know, 132 yards Brandon Cook is going to have

1,300 yards and be on the waiver wire the entire year Yeah Somebody's got to catch passes in Houston Who knew? Okay

One bad beat If you were playing either with her for Justin Jefferson and Dalvin Cook One pretty crazy moment It was Justin Jefferson was tackled

At the one yard line But like It was a touchdown How did they not rule this a touchdown? In fact, they moved him back a yard. I don't understand this. And they reviewed it and they put him at the one yard line. Dalvin Cook just scored on the next play.

Yeah, that was bullshit. And you have Jefferson or like Jefferson should have had six more points. Dalvin Cook should not have had that touchdown. I don't know how that happened. I will maintain forever that was bullshit. He was in. Oh my God. All right.

Yeah, and also Daniel Jones is the bad quarterback league. Kim running in that touchdown really smooth. I forgot the bad quarterback. Like, yes, Daniel just screwed my whole line. screwed up my freaking line up there too. Oh my guy. I just, I feel like an idiot every week. I watch the Giants. Anyway, okay, I think that's all we got. That's the Rear Fantasy Football Show. Check us out. We'll be coming to you again with Waivers episode this week, Power Hour with Power Rankings, and then also we're going to give you more profits on Fridays. Thank you, everyone.

Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Lorne. Lorne. Thank you, Nick Jonas. Oh, D.K., contemporary. Getting young. I feel like I maybe have said him already but that's fine. Do you actually, can you name a Nick Jonas song? I don't know the names of songs very much. What's that one with Tovlo that he did like so close or too close?

I think it's just close. Close. There you go. He does that song, jealous. This song's kind of good. Okay. I think I like Nick Jonas better than the other Jonas's. I'd rather have Nick Jonas at quarterback than Daniel Jones.

Daniel Jonas? Daniel Jonas. Yeah, that's fun. Anyway, goodbye, everyone.