The Ringer NFL Show - Week 10 Recap: C.J. Stroud’s MVP Case, Josh Dobbs Does It Again, and a Jameis Cameo.

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

The guys recap NFL Week 10, starting with another electric Josh Dobbs performance. They also discuss C.J. Stroud entering the MVP conversation, Jameis Winston’s unsurprising stat line, and what’s going on with Trevor Lawrence? Then, they add new names to the Fantasy Burn Book. Check out our Fantasy Football Rankings for this week’s positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Danny Kelly Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Good on the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dana Heifitz, and I am joined by Danny Kelly, and that's it. Craig Coralbeck, not here. Sunday in Week 10. Yeah, boo. Sunday week 10 is done. You don't even need to talk about Sunday football, do we?

We usually do this. Yeah, that's going to ask if you wanted to hit anything on it. The one thing I will say, and I want to preface this by saying, I think the Jets probably would have won with probably 50 other quarterbacks in the NFL currently, like both starters and backups. But Zach Wilson, on that Hail Mary, he made one hell of a play to get that ball off. That's the only thing I wanted to say. He like spun away, got away from back from Max Crosby, heaved it up from like the 50-yard

line into the end zone. It hit Garrett Wilson in the hands. And I believe Tyler Conklin kind of like knocked it out of his hands. It was like friendly fire. So it is, I mean, hell. One hell of a play. I just wanted to say that. Raiders 16, Jets 12, I would say, Zach Wilson's the main, perhaps lone reason that Jets have

lost their two last games. and you want to take this moment to talk about how he's playing well? I'm just wondering to show him getting that right. You know, what did you do for me lately? Prior to that, I would like to say the Jets, I want to say I saw this stat that they have the greatest field goal to touchdown ratio of any team in history so far through, I guess, nine games or ten games. How many games they've played now?

That was from Chase Stewart is 23 field goals to 10 touchdowns through nine games. This offense is not. good. So anyways, rough watch on Sunday night football. That's all I have to say about that. It is incredible watching the Jets and this Vikings team and being like, I can't believe the Jets didn't move back 20 spots in the seventh round of Josh Dobbs.

When Josh Dobbs is out here just basically doing Linsanity for the Vikings, maybe that's not the right comparison, but it feels like the right comparison where this completely inexplicable thing has been going on for way too long. This wasn't the story of the day, but the Vikings be the same.

Saints, 2719. Shout out Rahim Palmer here at the ringer, a colleague who called this insanity. But Dobbs, 268 yards today, passing yards and a touchdown plus another 44 rushing

and a rushing touchdown. He had the most, he led the Vikings to the most points in a first half the Vikings have had in four years. This guy wasn't on the team like eight days ago. And Zach Wilson,

I actually think that Josh Dobbs has had more clutch drives in the two games in eight days. He's been on the Vikings than Zach Wilson has had in his entire career. So it's like, it's just crazy. Josh Jobs was on the Jets.

I feel like the Jets might win in the AFC East. I know. I feel like this is something we need to celebrate more. We've talked about it a lot because it's sort of been a bit. The whole Quantum Leap thing, it's sort of been a joke for us. But I feel like this has gone past the point of, ha ha, this is a cool story too. Like, legitimately he could be, in my mind, I was talking to you guys about this today.

Isn't he like sort of a median level quarterback? He's like right in the middle to me of like the NFL. I'm not saying he's a superstar, but he's a type of guy that you can win with. You know, there are guys that you win because of, like Mahomes and Josh Allen or whoever. I feel like Dobbs is a guy that you can win with in long term.

And I'm just talking about... And then there's win despite them. Right. Like there's those three, you know? I no longer think this is just a cute story. I'm starting to believe that he could actually be almost like a Gino Smith redemption story where he comes out of nowhere in year 28.

Or sorry, he's 28 years old. in year whatever, five, however many years he's been in the NFL and he turns into a starter. I think it's kind of crazy. I think a week ago,

we were like, oh, Josh Dobbs should always be a backup quarterback in the NFL for the next 12 years. And I was like, yeah, it's like you're just going to be a started quarterback

next year for someone. It's actually crazy. He's earned it. Yeah. He's Fran Tarkinton. Like, he's running around and I'm like,

I don't know, reminds you. You ever seen those videos of the soccer players, the pro soccer players that are running through like hundreds of kids at a youth camp trying to get the ball

to the other end? Like trying to sack Josh Jobs. I'm like, why is this person like, I get, oh, Nassau, the pasturant, why is this person also the hardest person to sack in the NFL? He's literally Fran Tarkington. I don't know. Do you know that he has, he has 368 rushing guards this year that's second only to Lamar Jackson. He has five rushing touchdowns, which is third behind only Jalen Hertz and Josh Allen. And he has more rushing touchdowns this year than Austin Eccler, Derek Henry, Joe Mixon, DeAndre Swift, et cetera, et cetera.

he's like, what he's doing is pretty remarkable. And by way, he also has 11 touchdowns of five picks as a passer. And this was coming in, again, the context is really crucial here. It's like coming into an offense at the very last second and starting. He has no opportunity to prepare. He didn't have an offseason. He didn't have any time to like work with his receivers and get on the same page with him. No chemistry.

He's just doing this freaking like right off, right off the bus. It's crazy. Well, like, now we're making such a big deal of him. He was a NASA intern or whatever. but it is like Armageddon. It's like, hey, it's like these oil drillers just got put on an asteroid. You got to just make it now. That's actually great.

I wasn't prepared for this. Teach him out of drill. Yeah. Just teach the astronauts at a drill. Just teach the quarter. I don't know. It's whatever. This is, yeah, Jets.

I just can't wait to find out who he's going to be starting for next year. You know, if it's not the Vikings, who knows. Speaking of better quarterbacks, I, the, the Bengals Texans game was absolutely outrageous today. This was one of, also Adam Schaefter at this crazy tweet. There was five teams. Arizona, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Seattle converted a game winning field goal with no time remaining in week 10. The most game winning scores with no time

remaining in regulation and single weekend end of listry. It's pretty sweet week. Five walkoff field goals. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty fantastic. We're in the golden age of field goal kicking right now. We really are. This is your thing. You should be more excited about this, I feel like. They're all just casually just making 58 yarders.

And I'm like, like, just making field goals from the logo. And like, that never used to happen. It was a big deal when someone at 10th and a 60-yard. Anyway, the best one of the day. Texans beat the Bengals 30 to 27. Texans go to 5 and 4. They're a game out of the division lead for the AFC South. And they're behind the Jags.

It looks horrific. Siege of Shrude. 3356 yards for Stroud. A touchdown of sack. The numbers look worse. Only one touchdown. Yeah, a couple fumbles. But overall, crazy amazing day for Stroud.

Our buddy Nate Tice had this crazy. number he found the Houston Texans offense recorded 17 explosive plays today against the Bengals, which is tied for the fourth most explosive plays by an offense in an NFL game since 2000.

The fourth most. Think about how many games that is. That's a lot of games. That's like thousands of games. So I was thinking about this and like I mean, Strout, he outplayed the Bengals. Honestly, the Texans market corrected the Bengals. Like Strouds like the lovable winner and everything. But I was

thinking, the offensive rookie of the year race is over. Like, Stroud's first nine games, like, the only rookies who have had a better, like, just net yards per attempt are, like, DAC stepping into the Cowboys. Like, that's it. Like, the rookie of the year race is over. And so the larger question, if the season ended right now, is C.J. Stroud, the MVP. My first reaction to this was absolutely just, like, no way, you know?

Like, number one, has there ever been a rookie win MVP? No, I don't think so. Not in like modern times. I mean, Mahomes, his first year as a starter. That wasn't that long ago. He'd sat his rookie year. That's interesting. Yeah.

Because here's the thing. Shefter asked this question. He was like, Stroud, welcome the MVP race. And my first knee-jerk reaction was, that's ridiculous. Yeah. Like, he's a rookie. He can't be an MVP. And then I thought about it.

And I was like, is him being a rookie the only reason I'm not considering it? Like, I actually started a question myself. So I was like, I just, I did a little make the case here where I put it. I don't even know if I believe it, but that actually, as I looked into it, I convinced myself. Right. You reverse engineered it, the take. So for context, coming into the MVP odds, and again, there's no real MVP favorite this year coming into it was like Lamar and Hertz were like three to one and Mahomes was also

tied there at three to one. And there was like Tua, Burrow. But then no one knows. So like for context, entering today, Stroud was tied with Trevor Lawrence at 40 to one. That's going to change. So like these numbers coming in, there's like 10 guys ahead of him. You can almost throw it out. Like he's behind golf. Like that's all going to change by the time you listen to this. So I was looking at it I'm cheating a little But if you look at the numbers since week two And I know that's like cutting out week one

Whatever is his first career start But you can cut out week one for like every starter Like Joe Burr had 82 yards in week one Like Patrick Wombs didn't have Kelsey and lost Josh Allen threw three picks to the Jets When they were shell shock from Rogers Like everyone had a bad week one If you take it's just since week two

C.J. Stroud first among all quarterbacks In yards per attempt First in yards per completion most completions of 20 plus yards lowest interception rate in the NFL which I think is insane for the rookie to be the only guy on the year. Yeah.

So he just tried second and passing yards since week two. Second and expected points added per drop back and he's only, I mean, purdy's first, but we all know that's kind of like a Shanahan inflation thing. It's like second. This is the Shanahan offense,

sort of, right? Yeah. That's, yeah, so there go. But like, and Stroud's also second adjusted net yards per attempt. And the guys he's ahead of are like, in EP per dropback and it just net yards per attempt are ahead of Josh Allen Mahomes,

Dak Herbert Hertz, Tua. So my point being, the numbers are there. And at this point, it's our job to just add the context to the numbers. But the numbers are legit. Like, in terms of MVP stuff, like those are all MVP numbers. I think that, so the way that I look at this is if the season did end right now,

I think a lot of times this is a award that it matters like what you did lately. You know what I mean? Like, if you finish strong, if you finish on a tear, if your team is one of the best teams in NFL at any given time when the voting happens, like that helps a lot. And obviously, the Texans are really hot right now. But I mean, we can't forget, this is like a team that lost to the Panthers two weeks ago.

10 days ago? Yeah, that's not great. So I don't know. I was thinking about it because I really love Stroud. Obviously, you know, like he was my QB1. I'm super excited about this. I think he comes in right now, like, we need Stroud because there's so much bad quarterback in across the NFL and he's so much fun to watch because he's like, like,

like all the numbers you pointed out, he's pushing the ball down the field, explosive plays. Tank Dell is really fun. Obviously, Nico Collinson played today, but he's been really awesome. I still just,

I don't know, maybe I feel it's still Mahomes for me. I get the Mahomes, but here's the thing, and here's, look, obviously the Texans are freaking five and four and all these other teams

have better records. Obviously, like the five and four team that's still like on the outside of the playoff picture is probably not actually going to win MVP. But I start thinking about it. If the Texans make the wild card, if you actually win the division.

Because I started thinking about it, and I was like, if we step outside the box of what a usual MVP is, especially if the lions end up getting the one seed, because golf's not going to be it. It's usually a quarterback with a buy. But if you look, and I'm like, the difference between these other guys who are head, and again, as of this morning,

the people, Lamar, hurts, Mahomes, Tua, McCaffrey and Purdy. The fact McAfree said a Purdy says everything to me. But you look at him like, there's no, like, awesome head coach or play caller. Like Andy Reed or Mike McDaniel. is not calling plays for Stroud, the way.

It's like, Domeico Rines, the Texans head coach is a first year head coach. The offensive coordinator, Bobby Slovak is a first year offensive coordinator. It's not like Mike McDaniel or Andy Reid, like some guru necessarily doing it. There's no insane offensive line, like the Eagles have this crazy offensive line. The Texans online's been hurt all year.

There's no Tyree Kill like Tua has. There's no A.J. Brown that Gillian Hurd says. There's no Travis Kelsik Malmes. Nico Collins was out today. And he's their best receiver. It's like, Tank Dell, who's a rookie five-foot A player. Noah Brown. who had more receiving yards in his last four games

and his first four years. Like these are the weapons. There's no, my thing with Mahomes, obviously you can argue for them. The flip side is, I think Patrick Mahomes would say the reason the chiefs

are winning right now is the defense. MVP, you have to be like, well, why are they winning? And start with the quarterback. Like the fact, it's a question on the Eagles. There's A. Age Brown or my hearts.

It's like, Tyree Killer 2. And I'm like, why are the Texans winning? It's C.J. Stroud. Lamar, it's like, is it the defense? The fact you even have to ask the question, Burroughs the reason

the Bengals are winning now. They lost today. He was the reason they were losing to start the year. So it's like, I don't know. Especially on a day like today where the Ravens absolutely blew it and Lamar threw a pick six late in the game. Like, it's hard to, it's hard to say Lamar deserves it right now, even though I think on the whole, like he's done extremely, extremely well this year. And is, is there's a reason he's number one in the odds right now, or at least coming into this week. But I will say, like, the Chief's offense, Kelsey is the only guy in that offense right now.

They don't really have a run game that's super effective. and there's still the six ranked offense per DVOA. That's Mahomes. I mean, he elevates everyone around. And, I mean, that's higher right now or coming into this week. It probably will change a little bit after this week because the Texans were so, so good. But, I mean, the Texans are ninth in DVOA. So I don't know.

I still, you make some very compelling points. So I will be honest. Stroud, I think, is closer to an actual legit contender for the MVP than I even realized. And because my first impression was to, like, scoff. that, but I mean, you do make some compelling points. To be clear, if I actually had to vote, I'd probably still pick Mahomes. But my point is, it's like, there aren't that many people ahead of Stroud, and that's kind of all the only point I'm trying to make.

It's like, you can put Mahomes, you can put Lamar. I'm like, it's, you know, Jalen Hertz, like, I'm sure Carlos, the producer here is listening, screaming about Tua, but the point is, it's like, there are very few. Yes, but there are very few people that you actually could put ahead of Stroud, which considering as a rookie is insane. That's all. So what a crazy game for C.J. Stroud. If you're, quick question, if you're starting a franchise, a real-life NFL franchise, and all other things are equal,

who would you rather have, C.J. Stroud or Trevor Lawrence? Oh, it has to be Stroud. I think this is, okay, are we going to do the Lawrence thing right now? Well, I'm just saying, we could. All right, fine. Okay. Lawrence, I would like, all right, you know that that meme of Gordon Ramsey, where it's like the two frames of Gordon Ramsey

and it's one he's talking to the the like five year old girl and he's like, oh dear, oh dear, gorgeous, it's okay like she burns it. And the next meme is talking to some dude and he's like, you fucking donkey! You're fucking donkey. Yeah, I can't really do an accent,

but like, you know what I'm talking about. That, I will admit, that has been me with Trevor Lawrence. Every time Trevor Lawrence makes a mistake or has any adversity of any kind, I'm like, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, gorgeous, it's okay. And then Brock Purdy, anytime Brock Purdy makes a mistake, Craig and I are like,

you fucking donkey! And I have to admit, the Niners gave to the Niners, what? Was it 34 to 3 today? The Niners won absolutely eviscerated the Jaguars. Like the fact that both these teams came out of their buy, I don't think it could be more discouraging for a team to come out of a buy and to have what happened than what the Jaguars happened. At home.

At home. Trevor Lawrence, worst game of his career by EPA per Dropback and math. but also just Trevor Lawrence is like, yeah, that was like the worst game of my career. And considering he lost like two games at Clemson is probably the worst game of his entire life, frankly. And I started looking, I'm like, Richard Sherman has been on this for a while. He was, he was battling with some people on mine today. Trevor Lawrence has more turnovers. He has the most turnover since he entered the league.

He passed Josh Allen today for the most turnover since 2021. But Trevor Lawrence also has more turnovers than touchdowns, which is pretty crazy. If you count fumbles, like I go over turnovers than touchdowns? Well, he has like four less, but if you count all the fumbles, like just fumbles and picks, because if you fumble the ball, you don't get to decide with you. You know, it's like a fumble loss, but you recovered nine. It's like, but he has more fumbles and picks together than touchdowns. But even then he has what?

It's like 50, it's like 53 touchdowns to like 49 lost fumbles and picks. So it's like, yeah, he almost has the same amount. Like, even if you take the Urban Meyer year out, this is what freaked me out. Like, if you just look at the, take the Urban Meyer year out, he's basically touchdowns and turnovers solely been Sam Donald. Which is humbling. It's funny because so I've always been a Sam or sorry, I've always been a Trevor Lawrence defender kind of just like, you know, there's, I would say the tape contingent of people

online that we all associate with would all scoff at the notion that Trevor Lawrence. Oh dear. Oh dear. Go watch the tape. You're just a stupid fantasy guy. Like that's actually probably what they'd be thinking. But to be fair, the Jaguars line was destroyed. The interior of the Jaguars line was eviscerated, atomized.

And the Niners have this. They literally just added Chase Young to this line with Nick Bosa. And they're just meeting at Trevor Lawrence. Like they're just like, I don't know, people pre-cell phone trying to make plans. Like they were just like, oh, what's up? He also played poorly. Okay. And I agree.

And I feel like I'm at the point now where I'm like, okay, at some point, we're going to have to see more from you, pal, if I'm going to keep defending you because I'm looking at EPA for dropback right now this season, so this is 2023 only. So not Urban Meyer. Trevor Lawrence ranks 27th. He is right next and tied, in fact.

He's tied with Ryan Tannahill and Desmond Ritter, just slightly above Deshawn Watson in EPA per dropback. That's a team stat sort of. It's not like the only stat you look at, but that's fucking bad. That's like terrible. What are we doing? Like, what are you doing?

Trevor, come on. Stop doing this. Like, stop making me think you're not good. Like, we need you to start playing well, buddy. What's weird about Lawrence, I think maybe, I hope this makes sense. But the reason I think so many people love them, including me, is that when you watch and play, all the tools are clearly there. Like, he still has the talent that made him so good.

But like, you cling to it. But it's almost in a prospectish way because the results have so lagged behind. and I think the playoff win and the way, and they almost beat the Chiefs too in the playoffs where it's like, you're like, oh, all these pieces are here. But in reality, like, I couldn't believe this.

Scott Barrett at Fantasy Points tweeted this out. C.J. Stroud has 335 passing yards in back to back, or over that in back to back games. Lawrence has done that once in his career, which kind of blew my mind for a team that loses all the time.

Like, you know what I mean? It's not like he's like, they're protecting nursing leads of the Jaguars his whole career. It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. well. My just big picture evaluation of Trevor Lawrence is, like you said, he has all the tools, like super impressive. He can make all the throws, blah, blah, blah. But kind of like Sam Darnold,

again, who you mentioned, just like two or three really boneheaded plays every game, where you're like, what in the hell was that throw? You're just throwing it into like triple coverage. And you, like, apparently just decided that before the snap. So I, you know, obviously, I'm still a Trevor defender. I'm still a believer. And I, I think he's going to figure it out. But it's starting to get frustrating for me where I'm like, okay, dude, you need to show us a little bit more here. I also,

what we're talking about Niners, Jags, and again, Brock Purdy, even though Kyle Shannon came out and was like, the Brock Purdy's first touchdown was the worst, one of the worst decisions I've seen him make since he became a nineer, where he like rolled left and threw back about you.

Was Shane a pissed about that throw, by the way? He did. You know, the exact quote was, you fucking donkey! He's like the hamster list of two pieces of bread on. Yeah.

What are you? You're a shit sandwich. Idiot sandwich. Idiot sandwich, my fault. Should be an award. Kyle Shannon's idiot. Well, I will say, wait, speaking of Shannon, though, we have to do the Craig Horlbeck Memorial. Why is Kyle Shanahan like this award?

Why are you the way that you are? And we're going to give this to Kyle Shanahan this week for something Craig has been on all year, which is Kyle Shanahan just playing people when they don't need to be played. even though the Niners defining thing of five years has been like being too injured to win the Super Bowl. And then Craig's like, Craig just watches basketball where the entire sport is in an existential crisis

because the players don't want to play all the time in the non-contact sport. And then today, the perfect example, the Niners are up 31 points with like 90 seconds to go. The game is over. All the backups are in. But Christian McCaffrey has not scored a touchdown. And Christian McCaffrey is the longest streak in NFL history of 18 games in a row.

So Kyle Shanahan decides to remove every starter in the game, except Christian McCaffrey, and give the ball to him four times in row to try to get him the touchdown. And to which I'm like, I don't know, like, am I just a wimp? And I'm just being a nervous Jewish mother about this. And I'm like, oh my God, Christian, you're going to get hurt? Or like, it's insane. Like the coaches who don't play their guys in the preseason out of,

oh my God, you could get hurt. but then they're like, hey, yeah, we're up 31. I like your streak more than I like a Super Bowl. The score was 34 to 3. What are we doing? As fantasy people, we should be like rooting for this. And even we're like, dude, fucking chill. What are you doing?

Is it like, oh, yeah, get it for the players. But I'm like, no, it's one of them like, oh, yeah, the offensive line. You know, they want to get this for the guy. I'm like, they weren't even on the field. Like, they had left. The line was gone. Yeah, they're cheering for him from the sideline. Like, yeah, good luck with that.

Like, I just, I don't know. I think this is insane. And I'm like, and again, what's one of those? Like, oh, whatever. Get him the streak. Like, it's cool. Like, they can't be afraid to play football. And I'm like, but if Christian McAfre had gotten hurt, this would be like the biggest story of the day.

It would be the biggest story of the day if McAfric got hurt trying to get a record. In a game in which they won by 31 points, it was never a contest. It was never a game. He had 75% of their snaps. If there's any game to just like let him chill and relax and get healthy and not. Because, dude, even if it's not like a major injury, you get worn down as the year goes on. Any person will. I don't know.

It's just ludicrous. I mean, I feel like even San Francisco fans would be like, dude, you're really pushing your luck there. It's great. That's what it is. That's what it is. No whammy's. No whammy's. No whammy's.

Just like every freaking game, dude. 75% snaps in a game you won by 30 points. 26 touches. Sorry. No, he had 26 opportunities. 22 touches. Anyway, still, ridiculous. Insanity.

You want to talk running backs? So you want to talk to... I'm going to push off the Giants conversation as long as I can. I would like to do the Step Brothers Award for the... Did we just become Best Friends? Step Brothers Award. Yes.

There's so many running backs that have had a split rooms this year. And you know what? No one was really happy about it. They're like, oh, my God. Like, we're grown mad. I can't believe with the share this time. But then this week was like all these running backs we're like, oh my God, bunk beds.

So much room for activities. Starting with David Montgomery and Jemir Gibbs for the Lions. Lions win 41 to 38 over the Chargers. And we're like, oh, my God, what if Montgomery takes from Gibbs? And I was like, all right, everyone can chill. 200, everyone's happy. Lions, 200 rushing yards on the dot. David Montgomery, 12 carries 116 yards.

Had a touchdown. Jameer Gibbs, 17 touches, 112 yards, two touchdowns. Jumeer Gibbs, number two running back on the day. David Montgomery, number seven running back on the day. Look at that. Everyone happy. Everyone's happy. So much room for activities in the lion's offense.

Look at that. I actually think they're both going to be like top 15 running backs the rest of the way. I got to hand it to you. It wasn't looking good early on because Jamir Gibbs was getting the vast majority of the snaps early on. Then he got a bunch of red zone like inside the five yard line carries. I'm like, oh my God, maybe Jamir Gibbs really did pass David Montgomery. Then as the game went on, this is like this I suppose could have been predicted. As the game went on, like they started leaning heavier on David Montgomery.

He busts off like a 60-something yard touchdown. He looked amazing. And yeah, I mean, this is like one of those rare situations where I think both guys are going to be good. This is a type of offense that can sustain two good running backs because they're scoring a lot of points. They're running a lot of plays. They're a really good offense. And this game lived up to our expectations for sure. Like, it was a shootout.

So, I mean, at least for one week, you were spot on saying everyone's going to be happy. And I got to say, Jimir Gibbs, man, that guy's fun to watch. He is. David Montgomery was like, can I go in? Can I go in? And Dan Campbell was like, I don't give a fuck.

You guys do whatever you wanted to. You're not hearing me. I don't give a fuck. Can I hear a drill? Are they talking about power tools? They're not the only ones to do it this week. Did you have anything else to add on the Lions back? I just want to say that game was like a Madden game.

The Chargers Lions. That was actually, that's how people play Madden in real life. That was 47 first downs. almost a thousand yards of offense between the two teams. Yes. And I think the most Madden thing ever, seven of eight on fourth down. Literally seven conversions on eight versus three punts.

When you have converted on fourth down more than twice as much as you punted, that is Madden. And I just, like the second half, the Chargers punted, or sorry, the Lions punted. And then it was Chargers touchdown, Lions touchdown, Chargers touchdown, Lions touchdown, Changers touchdown, Lions field goal as time expires. That was the game. That's how Madden goes.

I loved this. This was super fun. This actually reminded me, it's funny because now Goff has played two of these games. It reminded me of the game from a couple of years ago with Jared Goff versus Patrick Mahomes's Rams' chiefs. And it was like 54 to 51 or something like that. I can't even remember what season was. It was like in the pandemic sometime.

But that's how it felt. It was like, this is what football watching should be. This is the pinnacle of football. It's like back and forth. The great players making awesome plays. The quarterbacks are both really solid. Jared Gaw. clearly had been able to take a shit

in his house or locker room because he was looking awesome. Wasn't stopped up at all. His best road game by far, which is really a home away from home game. I don't like a lie. That's probably the best prediction we've ever had in the history of the show.

This is the game Jared Gough would begin on the road because he's somebody to keep while he's traveling. Yeah. But yeah, that was super fun. That was an awesome game. I mean, both, it was like one of those things where it really felt, I was actually disappointed for the Chargers.

Like, normally the Chargers just do the Charger ring. and I'm just like, this is just part of your DNA. I don't feel bad for you. But I felt like both teams deserve to win this game. You know what I mean? It was like... But the charge is lost as per the usual.

Right, as per usual. Both teams deserve to win, but then the charges lost. Keenan Allen is absolutely going bazooka this year, bazook. Dude, him and Mike Evans are just absolutely out of control. 100%. The old guys. Mike Evans, hold on. I had the stats lined up for you.

Mike Evans has... he had six, he had six catches, 143 yards in a touchdown today. This is the quietest, like, superstar season of all time, I feel like. No one's talking about Mike Evans. He is now the wide receiver nine in fantasy, 14.5 points per game. He's on pace for about 1,400 receiving yards this season. And I feel like we've mentioned his name like two or three times this season, maybe. No one's talking about him.

He's amazing. This would be his 10th straight 1,000-yard season if you can stay healthy. Kudos to Mike Evans. He should have had, like, another touchdown, too. He just Baker shorted him and then he just dropped it. He did a Tyler Boyd, but we got a few of those. Yeah, he does a few of those every once in a while. But yeah, shout's to Mike Evans.

Going back to the running backs thing, though, another backfield, I feel like, is that has emerged as everybody's kind of happy. And because this is another backfield, I feel like over the last couple of years has been, or at least just last year, has been split in the fantasy community, where some people really love Antonio Gibson, some people really love Brian Robinson, and there's very few people that love both of these guys. You have to take a stand.

You can't be on one side of together. It's like Federer and Adel. It's like, I just like, I just like, no, it's not all works. But I feel like we've reached a point at least in the last two weeks where these guys can coexist in harmony,

and it's like everyone's happy and everyone's doing well. Because everyone hates Djokovic. We have our common enemy now. Exactly. The Seahawks beat the commanders, 29 to 26, but the commander's offense

has been really pretty impressive. Sam Howell's been slinging it all over. And in this game, the Brian Robinson, Antonio Gibson split was like pretty, like pretty fair or pretty even. Brian Robinson ended up getting 24 points in half BBR because he scored. He had a little more yardage through the air. But if you look at the snaps is 51 to 48, Brian Robinson ran 20 routes, Antonio Gibson ran 22 routes. and then they split it 60-40 in like the long down and distance and third down area. And so Gibson had the advantage on third downs.

But like basically these guys are both like playing a very similar role. They're both carrying the football and they're both very, very active in the passing game. Like Brian Robinson in particular has improved. There's a lot of trading places here. If I told you that one of the washing running backs of six catches for 120 yards in a touchdown, how much money would you have put on Gibson? Like thousands? Totally.

And the same thing with the lines, honestly. If I told you one lion's running back is going to have two scores from the one yard line and one's going to have a 75-yard touchdown. How much money would you have put that? It was Montgomery with the two-win. But it was Gibbs. It makes it hard for us to do our jobs, guys. But we also love seeing it.

I want to say, real quick, I think Brian Robinson has a secret power where if he just stands on the sideline, Sam Howell manages to find him in any scores like these really long touchdown. Second straight week. But the sideline, you mean near the sideline. Right, not on the sideline. like playing. Correct.

In bounds, in the field of play. I feel like for the second, I swear there was almost identical play last week where he was just standing there. And Sam Howell like scrambled out and found him and he ran for a touchdown. Brian Robinson had another huge play doing exactly the same thing. So just go stand down there, Guy.

And Sam Howard will find it. Well, that probably won't work anymore because teams will watch it, but the Seahawks just didn't. So it's fine. Yeah. CX defense, a little suspect. But anyways, the bottom line is the splits are almost exactly the same. So it's like 50-50.

The other running backs that I think are the stepbrothers, like just best friends now that quietly do the Steelers. The Steelers who somehow are just, the Steelers somehow some way, Steelers maintain their streak of being outgained in every single game this year, but have just kept winning. They're the only team to ever like do that, but have a winner. I wish that Craig was on the show because the fan misery to wins ratio for both Seahawks fans and Steelers. fans is like all-time highs. Every time, every game the Seahawks win, the fans just get more and more miserable. Like people were calling for Gino Smith to be benched again today. He came in back, he came back in an awesome second half.

So maybe that would quiet down for a minute. But yeah, it's like both the, I feel like the fan bases of the Seahawks and the Seahlers right now are both the same. What are you going to be so morose about? Exactly. But yeah, the Steelers won 2319. The Steelers won their battle of the most hated offensive coordinator in Matt Canada versus the most hated defensive coordinator.

of Joe Barry for the backers, like just this unbelievable matchup. But the crazy development is that Najee Harris went from bad Zeke Elliott to Nogierrez and Jalen Warren have just quietly, just been totally playable the last three weeks. Najee and Jalen Warren are both top 13 running backs, like just the only running backs who have, there's only 13 running backs averaging over 12 points per game in the last three weeks. And Najee and Jalen are both part of it. And this week, Jailen Warren, 17 touches, 110 yards touchdown.

Naji, 19 touches, 96 yards touchdown. Shailin Warren, six running back this week. Naji Harris, top nine running back this week. So look at that. Snaps are 51. Snaps are 51 and 50.

Target rate, 18, 18. These are like identical players. They're just doing it in different ways. We did to get a memento tattoo next year. That's basically like whoever the guy is that we're most mad at through the first like five weeks, just trade for that guy.

Because like he will get better eventually just because you can't be that bad for that long without an injury. Nashi's honestly looked pretty good lately. He has. I think Jalen Warren looks good also, but Naji's definitely stepped it up. But yeah, I mean, Jalen Warren, he's been, I feel like for a long time, he was more just like a flex option, like if you really didn't have anyone else to go that week. But now I'm like pretty happy plugging him in wherever our RB2 spot because he's been really

good lately. All right. Next up here, fine. We'll do it. I would like to do the Cardale Jones Award to the Cowboys Giants. One of the greatest tweets in the history of Twitter is Cardell Jones, the former, this is the same guy who tweeted, I didn't come here to play school. Like, and he tweeted this screenshot of a headline that said Cardell Jones visits kid in a hospital

to play video games with him beats kid 91 to 35, which is incredible. And Cardinal Jones, quote, tweeted a picture of this and said, man, I wish everyone stopped saying I beat a kid in the hospital, 91 to 35. It was 98 to 35. I had 91 with 1 26 left in the fourth quarter. Not 91, 98. This is the best tweet. This is the best tweet structure.

It's like essentially like I'd love to take this opportunity to apologize to absolutely nobody. And it's like the, I would like, I'm giving you that a word of the Cowboys because the Cowboys beat the Giants 49 to 17. And the Cowboys are like, please stop saying it beat the Giants 49 to 17. 17. It was 49 to 10 until the Giants scored is six seconds left. Or maybe it's the Giants being like, we didn't lose 49 to, you know, 10. It was 4917. But I got to tell you, I'm at the point where I think if I rank the 12 worst losses I've seen the Giants, like the 12 least competitive games, the Giants have played. Four or five are this season, three or two seasons ago.

Like, it's actually, at least this one's fine. Like, I'm getting over it. But like, I'm getting over it. Well, I'll get to that in a second, but I just have to, three numbers jump out. I went through this box. I felt like I was at my own funeral, like going through the box score of this game. I was like, oh my God.

But the Cowboys, the one that just hit me like a, the Cowboys were gaining eight yards per play at half time, but the Giants were gaining 0.8 yards per play, which I thought was the worst thing I'd ever seen on the page, like 8 to 8.8. At halftime, the Cowboys had,

21st down to the Giants had one, which is... But the worst... Every week, there's a new number. With the two-minute warning, Fox showed a graphic and said, I'm going to literally read it verbatim. It was about total yards. And it said, the Cowboys outgaining the Giants

by 526 yards. To be clear, not that the Cowboys had 526. It was the Cowboys said outgained the Giants by 526, which was the largest, largest yardage differential in any NFL game since 1962. Wow. When Vince Lombardi's Packers beat like a basically expansion Eagles team. And do you get one guess who the quarterback was for the Eagles in that game?

You've talked about him all week. What was his name? Sonny Jurgensen. No shit. Yeah, Sonny. Sonny Juergens and it always comes back. Comes back full circle. Man, the Cowboys had 640 yards in this game.

Man, Tony Pollard must have been amazing. I'm ready for like The Bilo. Narrator to come in here. Hold on before we get to that, because we are going to get to Tony Pollard. It's fine. The difference between this is at least like the point.

Like the Giants, the Silver Line is good. The Giants should keep winning. They're losing. The Giants, like the Cardinals won. Kyler Murray returned. The Cardinals freaking won. They had their own walkoff kick,

if I remember correctly. To the Giants right now of the second pick in the draft. And now the biggest. game of my life is just two weeks from now, Giants play the Patriots. And it's like the bizarreo. It's basically like the third trilogy to the Super Bowl with me like Bill Simmons, like the Giants Patriots, like whoever Giants Patriots, whoever loses that game is going to get a top two pick and Caleb Williams or Drake May.

And there's a lot writing on this. Holy shit. It's incredible because it's like, like, choose your fighter. Patriots have Mack Jones who, I mean, what a tanking weapon. Like he just, he threw the worst pass of his career today. Oh, my God. The game, literally, there's that line that Belichick used to say about Brady, like, performatively to Randy Moss when he got there.

He ripped in a Brady. He was like, the kid at Foxborough High could make that. The high school quarterback at Foxborough High actually could have threw this ball. And Mac Jones, for no reason whatsoever decides to, like, fall back when he's throwing, just to like try to make it 15 yards short. But then the Giants have Tommy DeVito. So, like, they just, the Giants found literally the closest person possible to their stadium that could pretend to play quarterback.

And that's just 11 minutes away. Has it moved out of his house? I feel like he was, he was on record this week, talking about his mom making his bed. Yeah, which, dude, he volunteered that. They just, Jordan Renaudity is bad. He just, Jordan just found out that he lived at home.

And he was like, I'm not going to lie. My mom makes my bed. I love that kid. He was like, yeah, like, also, it does make sense. Like, he's a undrafted rookie who, like, didn't know if he was going to make the team. So it's like, well, they're 11 minutes away. What's you're going to do?

do rent a house clothes like further away. You don't have to tell the media that your mom makes your bed. Yeah, I would have left that out. But he was talking about his mother's chicken cutlets and I'm like, you know what? This is my quarterback. This is a guy who's going to deliver me to the promise land, Drake May. Like, this is unbelievable. How many touchdowns did the Giants have today? They had two touchdowns? Well, but did you watch the game? It was like they were like, it was the saddest thing ever. We watched the first quarter. That was the game. But it was the saddest thing ever with like a minute and a half left, they were going to, we're going to score. All the backups were in? Well, I guess the starters are back.

now basically. But they scored with six seconds left. Like, Daibel was taking timeouts. So the clock didn't expire when it's 49 to 10. So they could score a touchdown and make it 49.17. Because I think they didn't want to lose by basically 40. So what I was trying to get to with the touchdown thing is like so they had two touchdowns today that puts them at seven on the season in however many games, nine or ten games.

How many have they played 10? Nine, whatever. Too many. It doesn't make too many games. And I think the Jets, the Jets. the Jets had zero touchdowns today, so they still have five, unless I'm forgetting one.

But anyway, regardless, do you remember, I feel like this is the, it's a two-year-old joke about how the Giants can't score touchdowns, and somehow, I felt like I was making fun of you at, like, rock bottom then.

And we're just like way, no, we're way below rock bottom at this point. The Giants are back to the non-competitiveness of like when Mike Lennon and like, you know, freaking Jake Fromm or whatever was,

Keeby sneaking on third and nine. But now it's like at least, that's fine. Just keep losing, get a top pick. Somebody in my life, somebody that I'm close to at all times has to have like the laughing stock of any given league. Because my dad last year, he's a lifelong Nebraska fan. He can't quit Nebraska. Just loves Nebraska.

They were truly like the laughing stock of college football. And they're like fine this year. They're not good by any means, but like they're not the laughing stock anymore. Now the giants are the laughing stock. So you've taken that mantle. So my dad. appreciates that. Thank you, Danny. I'll do my best. But I will say, we have to give the Cowboys some credit because

literally everyone but Tony Pollard did great. Again, this, and we are 100% aware, Tony Pollard was our guy this year. It's gone, like, truly, like, hilariously wrong for him. I truly don't understand what's happening with him. I do, I want to say, he does not look anything like the player that he was last year. He broke his leg this year. What were we thinking? He broke his leg this shit.

In 2020, what were we thinking? The doctors told us, no, I feel like the data was that he should be fine. I just truly don't think he looks anything remotely like he used to. That being said, in a game where the Giants, or sorry, where the Cowboys had 640 yards, he had 55 rush, or sorry, 15 rushes for 55 yards, zero touchdowns, zero targets, zero catches. Here's the list of Cowboys who scored touchdowns today. Jack Prescott, C.D. Lamb, RICO Dowdell, Brandon Cooks, Michael Gallup, Jake Ferguson.

Tony Pollard hasn't scored a touchdown since week one. It's just getting like, it's like tragic at this point. What's happening with this? James Coe is the NFL network where he was like the scene from office space where like nothing doesn't get cake. This was an all-time reference from James. Like truly the best where, you know, they're passing out all the cake for someone's birthday or something.

And the woman's like, Milton, don't be greedy, just pass. That's like every cowboy is getting a touchdown, except for fucking Tony Pollard, who is our favorite player in the draft this year. God damn it. Cidie Lamb, meanwhile, is having an absolute, he's feasting. He's having the greatest three-game stretch of, like, ever. Cedley-Lam is exactly 500 yards in his last three games.

500. Michael Gallup has been at 500 yards in his season since 2020. Yeah, I mean, I feel like a third. A 500-yard season is like, oh, that's pretty promising for a young player. He's had that in the last three games. It's crazy. He's the only wide receiver since the merger with 10 plus catches for 150 yards in three straight games. This is like A.J. Brown was the guy a couple of weeks ago where he had however many games with, what was it, 100 yards?

I love these records now. We're just doing increasingly like arbitrary not lines where it's like, I can't even remember it. 125 yards, six in a row. Right. And now it's like CD Lamb is 10 catches. and 150 back to back to back. And I can't decide, which, I mean, they're both pretty same.

I never really put much stock into those, like, specific, like 10 plus and 150 plus. He does have, he had one, yeah, he had 11 for 151 in a touchdown today. The, I mean, he's just incredible. But again, I, can you, I can't imagine if the Cowboys were well coached. I just cannot imagine how good this team would be.

They had another weird ass game today. It's like, they've had like one or two regular. games this year. It's wild. So I'm going to go, I'm going to go through their game log really quick here. 40 to nothing in week one, 30 to 10 in week two. That 40 to nothing game was the Giants, remember. Lost to the Cardinals and Josh Dobbs.

They lost to the Cardinals randomly. They beat the Patriots 38 to 3. They lost the 49ers, 42 to 10 and absolutely got demolish. One regular game they played this year was they beat the Chargers 20 to 17. Last week, I'm sorry, two weeks ago, they beat the Rams 43 to 20. Lute Drumming. Last week, they lost, I guess they've had two regular games. They lost to the Eagles, 28 to 23.

And then today, of course, just absolutely demolished the Giants again. So, well, 40 to nothing in the first week, and then 49 to 17. No, don't say, it wasn't 92 to 17. It was 98 to 17. It was 92 to 7 with 126 left before a quarter. Yeah. It's tough. Stop saying it was 91 to 35.

98 to 35. All right. I would like to give the John Wick Award to T.J. Hawkinson. Oh, my God. This was the perfect analogy. I totally, I was thinking the exact same thing when you tweeted this. T.J. Hawkinson, well, he had like 11 catches for 134 years of a touchdown.

First of all, Elias Sports Bureau. T.J. Hawkins' second tight end since 1978 to have 10 catches and 100 yards in a touchdown in one half, which is crazy. But more importantly, he kept getting. tackled in the most ludicrous, bizarre, like, painful-looking ways imaginable. And we were talking about, he kept playing against his freaking head and his back and just get, and I was like, this is like when John Wick keeps getting kicked through pains of glass for no reason, like seven in a row. Yeah, it's like, it's like a bit at this point. It's like in the most recent John Wick movie, he gets kicked down the soccer curse,

uh, the stairs to the soccer occur. And it's like, sorry for my French pronunciation, but he gets, he falls down so many, it's, it becomes like a bit. It's just hilarious. Like a thousand stairs. Like a family guy bit. It just like, I can say it was just like every single catch. It was just like the most painful possible tackle. He was going through it.

And obviously we're not laughing because he didn't get seriously hurt. Well, I'm laughing. She's just going to be very sore. So like that's why we're we feel okay laughing about it. But like, man, he was battling through it. It's like every time he caught a pass, he was getting up so slow. And he was just like, man, what the fuck? There's a whole shit in, in black.

Sheaf. I don't think you've actually seen Black Sheep. It's a Chris Farley movie where it's like the same sort of John Wick bit where he just falls down a hill. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He just keeps falling and tumbling and tumbling and he gets to the bottom and he just turns around and goes, what the hell was that all about? What in the hell was that all about? Like that's I feel like that's what tj hockett said. So this one was like running out of it. He was like, he was like, he was like, He wasn't even in the ground. He just gets like tabletop. Like it goes like 180 degrees in his feeder in the air. And he's like I wasn't.

Oh my God. He gets the toughness award for this week. Because man, it's like the Jamar Chase thing. He's going to be super sore tomorrow. He's not going to be able to walk around. Dude, I showed Jackie John Wick three and the like parableum.

And she was like like that he gets kicked through like the fourth pane of glass. She's like, is this a bit? And then he gets kicked through five more panes of glass. Yeah. Oh, my God. Wait, speaking of the Saints Vikings game, I know we talked about Dobbs at the top, which was ridiculous,

but we also have to mention the, dude, the James Winston returning. Oh my gosh, yeah. This was the quote that you thought of, but I thought it was so perfect. It was like, the nice to be working with proper villains war,

Bashar from Ocean's 11. It's just like, man, it's so good to see James Winston out there, and he immediately started feeding Crystal Levin. Within like 12 seconds. I think Chris Olavie had like tripled his production. It was amazing. First of all, yeah, I love that the oceans.

I think about that line all the time. The Ocean's 11 like just like Brad Pitt and Clooney show up. He's like, thank God. But that really was like Chris Olavet really was basher where he's just like, oh, you tosses, like just looking at Derrick Carr. Oh, what is it? Leave it out. And it's like, but the fact that what was it, Derek Carr, oh, yeah, Adam Hartstead had this great tweet.

Chris Olavay with Derrickar, one target, one catch for 15 yards in 37 minutes. James comes in. Nine targets, seven catches, 80 yards of touchdown 20 minutes. I love it. Including two throws to get the most incredible touchdown. I've seen Olavee make a lot. Like, Olave is like so talented. Bill is texting.

Oh my God. The Olave touch on catch was incredible. It was insane. It looked like a sculpture, like him going up at the top. Have you seen the Twitter account art but make it sports? Yeah. I think that's what it's called. That guy isn't, by the way, whoever runs that has such an incredible, like, encyclopedic knowledge of art for forever. People have to go to the Instagram or Twitter, like just art but make it sports and just like, it's actually insane.

Like if Bill Simmons had art knowledge and it could just recreate, like, I feel like Bill Simmons's encyclopedic knowledge on like the NBA is this guy's art. It's kind of like your knowledge on height, but this guy's knowledge on like imagery. It's like how. Just give him a photo and it'll imagine. Should I just throw something out right now? Pull it out. No, don't test me. 6-2-223.

I'm thinking like a big running back. What's Latavius-Murie? Latavius-Murie is 6-3-2-30. That's pretty close. Damn. Close. Damn. I'm off my game today.

It's late. It's been a long day. But yeah, shout out. James Winston coming in and just, what did he finish with? I mean, look, the Saints lost because, I mean, Josh Dobbs, you know. no one's no Josh Dobbs. Winston, Winston was 13 to 25 for 122 yards with two touchdowns, two picks. It's so incredibly on brand.

Incredibly on brand. The most on brand game of all time. His second touchdown, he was like drifting to his left and then he's planted his feet and threw it all the way literally across the field to the other side. He was standing on the 20. And the third. I think that ball must have, because the field is what, 53 yards long. That ball had to travel like 43 yards to have an eight yard touchdown. essential. No, you fucking idiot. Oh, yes.

Yeah. I don't think I've ever, like, that's kind of the the only context you see that pass in is like in a pregame warmup or like a, like a having a catch on a field. I don't know if I've ever seen that throw in the context of that game. Like a bullet across that much of the line of scrimmage. Also, it was a great catch by A.T. Perry. My guy. Well, should have been a pick six the other way. It was ridiculous. I don't know. It's crazy.

we need more James I think the Saints have a buy next week double check that for me me but it sounds like Derek Carr didn't get seriously injured because it was his shoulder and I want to say he got checked for a concussion and I just wanted to play it safe and not bring him back in but man I kind of want to see James Winston out there

or I really want to see him I don't kind of want to see him I want James Winston to be the starter The Saints are on by next week yeah so that probably strengthens the odds that Derek Carr will be back but that's disappointing. No offense, Derek Carr. Well, you know, it's just more fun.

James Jamesing. I think Derek Carr actually will take offense to that. No offense, but I don't want you to have your job. With all due respect, sir. With all due respect, I don't give a velvet painting. I don't want you to play anymore. Of a whale and a dolphin getting it on. Ricky.

It's funny to wait this long to talk about it, but the Browns Ravens game, I just, this is the Lucille Bluth. Like, I don't understand the question. I won't respond to it. Like, I don't understand that game. What happened? 40 minutes into this game I was like, damn, Danny, you're so smart

fucking myself. I was so, I'm like, you're so smart for putting the Ravens first in your power rankings. Everyone's going to agree with you. Like the Ravens are the best team of the league. And then they lost. I was like, they were up 14. They were up 31 to 17 with 11 minutes to go in the game. I mean, Jake Trotter

at Eastbyn had this great. I mean, Jake Trader covers the Browns. He got this from ESPN stats and info. The Browns trailed in this game for 59 minutes and 20 seconds on Sunday. No NFL team has won. Wow, that's crazy. No NFL team has won while trailing for that long in a game in this millennium.

Wow. Like they were straight up like they didn't not win. Like they weren't not winning. They were losing for 59 minutes and 20 seconds. Don't the Ravens kind of feel like the Chargers east to you a little bit? Like they find ways to lose. Not to the extent that they're the Chargers.

You know, the Chargers are unique. There are three losses the Ravens have. are all like ridiculous like the wind probability graphs are looked like yeah they look like Chargers that's fair like the Falcons Super Bowl

I know what it nobody can compete with the Chargers to be clear I'm not saying they're like they're just it my mystification of the Ravens was like similar it's a similar vein to like every time the Chargers play a game

it's like why are you not winning this game or why how did how on earth did you lose this game also by the way why did Keaton Mitchell only get like one carry after the first quarter or whatever it was. Yeah, his first carry of the game, Keith Mitchell takes a 39-year touchdown, and he got like three more carries

the rest of the game. I just want to shake NFL coaches. Just, what are we doing? Also, it's funny, like the Browns, so, yeah, so the Browns won 33 to 31, and also as funny was they missed the extra point. So they pick six Lamar to tie up the game. The Browns had three drives in the second half.

They had like these, like, 10-minute drives, 12-minute drives, and then they get to pick six, Dustin Hopkins, who was like this great acquisition that they got a seventh rounder, which again, I'm like, I don't know, understand life. Like, why are you drafting a kicker with a fourth rounder when the Browns got Dustin

Hopkins for seventh? Whatever. But then he misses the extra point and then comes back and then makes the game winning feel. I don't know. It was just, I don't understand it. I won't respond to it. It's a weird game.

Yeah, I have no idea what happened in that game. The other big news of the day, Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift, you see the videos? Karma. Yeah, was it, was it staged, though? If Craig was here, he'd be saying. I think we have to admit that this is a... I think we have to admit this is a real relationship. It feels real.

They look really happy together. Yeah, sure. Great for them. Craig's upset. No, this is... It was really cute. They look really... That was like...

And she ran off the stage and they looked really happy. Yeah. I mean, that's something we can celebrate. I got to admit, Craig kind of convinced me that it was fake. So now I'm acknowledging that it was real. It's hard to talk about this without like skating in the third reel of being canceled, but I think that the initial Swifties are going to come after you.

Of everybody in the world who wants to go on a first date with Travis Kelsey or with Taylor Swift, he brought the unique opportunity of also just having a large audience as well. And then like within them like, all right, cool.

They also seem to all right, it worked. I don't know. It can't both be like, oh, okay, this like is mutually beneficial and also like it worked out. Like, I don't know. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. The Kelsey brothers are so hot right now.

Got a very popular podcast. Jason Kelsey as the sexist. Sexiest man alive. I'm all for like centers and offensive linemen getting like the body positivity. Dude, body positivity. Jason Kelsey like being famous offensive linemen of its center with a doc and a commercial and like a show. That's great. That is insane.

The crazy. He's not even the sexiest man on his podcast. Right. Dude. He's not. Yeah. Like it's actually. He's ridiculous.

Second sexiest brother. in his family. It reminds you of, you know, their outrage of Blake Shelton when he was named Sexist Man Alive by People. And all you do to know, but that is when that issue came out, I lived in Los Angeles,

and there was a People magazine, and there was this woman in line. And she was like a, she was beautiful, but she was just very makeup. It was just like a much more makeup person that you usually see out. And this like homeless-looking guy,

I don't want to assume, but this homeless-looking guy was like, really like, I don't know. She looked, they looked very, like, he was kind of like trying to talk to her, and she looked very annoyed at him. And I was like, oh, do I say, but they were in like the other, they weren't in my checkout lane. They were in the other

ones. It was like, if I did something, I would have had to, like, draw attention to it. I was like, don't say anything. But they, she was very unhappy. Anyway, that was Gwen Stefani, and I realized later it was Blake Shelton. I was like, oh, I thought he was a homeless guy. But the irony, it occurred to me like a week later that Blake Shelton was next to the people magazines.

my God. They called him the sexist man alive. And I've been thinking about it all week because it's like, dude, this is just so embarrassing. The Jason Tows. He's like, oh my God. There's such another Highfitt's scenario. How do you get yourself into these situations? You go to Ralph's.

It's a supermarket. I feel like. Hypat says like unrivaled run into power. He just runs into the most random people at all times. Yeah, no. I don't know what happens. That's incredible. Email us ringer fancy football at gmail.

dot com if you have other like run into stories. Got good ones. All right. Most important time. Burn book. Yeah. So for reference, we did Drake London week one, Kyle Pitts week two,

Najee Harris week three, Dallas got it week four. Just totally dropped the ball and forgot to do Burbank. Yeah, we're human. All right. And then we forgot. Damien Pierce week seven, Miles Sinners,

week eight. Now we're going to do like, you know, British baking show. We're going to like do two people now to make up. Oh, we're doing two? So last week we did Tony Pollard and D.K. Metcalfe. And I think we got to do.

at burn two this week as well. Okay. Unless we can only do one. We'd have to burn two at some point in the future. Well, I got one in mind. Who are you thinking? And it's not because I don't like him because I think he's a really, really good player, but I feel like George Pickens needs to go on the book.

I need to save me from myself from putting him in my starting lineups ever again. Like, he's so tantalizing because he's so talented and can make these ridiculous catches and everything. But God, Kenny. Pickett sucks. I just don't want to trust Kenny Pickett to throw him the football. So that's my, he had three catches for 45 yards today. Bunk. Bunk on George Pickens. Yeah. You know what George, they always like, they always say don't scout on George highlights. And I think what's funny about George Pickens is there are no plays other than the highlights. Like, like the highlight real for George Pickens is like there's no other catches he made in the game. It's just the cool ones.

I think that's fair. But the obvious was he per Trevor Lawrence. I think. I think, Dude, people are going to start... We've been getting starts questions about Lawrence with like increased league. Should I start Lawrence or Sam Howell? Should I start Lawrence or Will Levin? Jordan Love. Yeah, it's like, I think people are going to cut Trevor Lawrence this week.

I think Trevor Lawrence is going to be like very available in fantasy leagues. I mean, I'm just looking at the rankings. He's the QB 21 on the year. Like, again, it's tough. Slightly above Desmond Ritter. He's behind Deshawn Watson. He's in the burn book. Trevor Lawrence.

I think that's fair. George Pickens. So we're putting a bolt in? I think so. Is there anyone we're forgetting? I feel like Lawrence, I think, has to go. Two points today. Lawrence is very fair.

Did you see, by the way, did you see Kenny Pickett's passing chart? You know how Next Gen stats does passing charts? Yeah, no. There's like nothing in the middle of field. It's all just, it's like a U shape. Dude, use the middle of field. Well, like during when Deontay Johnson was out, like they were doing so much good stuff with George Pickens where he was doing slants.

He's running on the end breakers and all this stuff. And it was like working. The entirety of like modern football is just the NFL being like, we should like change the rules so people can throw in the middle of the field. And the Steelers just like didn't notice. There's like 30 years of history helping you here, you guys. The Steelers just haven't checked. Yeah.

Met Canada. Anyways, I just don't want to have anything to do with that offense. So yeah, this feels good. Six and three. Actually, I like the running backs. But yeah. that's all we got. Thank you, D.K.

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it's like yeah we went to Rod Stewart last night no way Yeah, no, I went to Rod Stewart. What was even, why didn't we even talk about that? What did I get wrong? You never, you never heard of him.

You never heard of Rod Stewart. I had heard of the name, but I had a complete dissociation. You knew a Rod at elementary school. For all that you could have convinced me that he was like Patrick Stewart's like, that he was like a Baldwin brother. Like I literally had no idea why Rod Stewart was famous. And I was like, is that that bad? And then someone emailed in and was like, Rod Stewart had a concert on the

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I don't know many rods. Do you know any rods? You could change Calvin's name. Short for Rodney, which is fair. I feel like I know Rodney too. That makes more sense. How late do you think you could like, I feel like no one audibles in their kids' name or the pet's name. But if Kendall Jenner did it, I feel like anyone can do it.

So I'm like, when do you think your son like, realized what was Kendall? What was Kendall before? Oh, they named it. I was sorry, always confused Kendall and Kylie. Son named. It's the one with Travis Scott. It was Kylie Jenner's son. He's officially named was Airy Webster.

I'm not the pronunciation guy. A-I-R-E. I don't know. but they originally named him. Oh, no, they, sorry, I always get to confuse. Two were from, it was Wolf. The kid's name was Wolf or is Wolf now? Who are you talking about?

Kylie Jenner and his son with Travis Scott. Oh. The kid's name is Wolf and he was 16 months old. And they were just like, we changed our mind. That's fair. 16 months is, that's plenty of time to change your mind. My point of being like, if Kylie Jenner can do that, I don't know. I'm like, Jeff Jack and I'm like, what if we just changed their cat's name?

Like, who's going to care? Didn't take. It's Sam. Sometimes the name just doesn't take, you know? We should have called him Reggie. It's fine. Reggie. Just.

Reg. Yeah. But how old do you think that would have had an effect? Like, when do you think he would have been like, no, I'm Calvin versus like just nothing going on? Yeah. He's old enough. Calvin's old enough now that I feel like he would be very confused if we try to change his name. No, he's only four.

He's four. I feel like now is too late. 16 months before they can talk, who gives a shit? Yeah. But, but yeah, I think it, you know,

just depends. When we got our dog, George, his name before was Sparky or something like that. You changed it away from Sparky? Yeah. You had a Sparky and went to George?

Sparky. I feel like naming, I feel like having a dog named Sparky is like having a dog named Spot or like. Yeah, it's very, Like, super generic. I guess George is pretty generic name. We went from a generic dog name to a generic human name.

Yeah, yeah. I was going to see you named it. It's not like they're going to be the next king of England. Like George. George. Yeah. All right. Goodbye.