The Ringer NFL Show - Week 10 Recap: Lions-Texans INTsurrection, Curtains for Jerry, Russ Magic, and the KC Supervillains

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 10 action by going through categories such as “Who Won Week 10?,” “FEELING NICEY,” and “Fart or Shart” (1:13). Later, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn... Book (1:19:55). Winners and Losers (11:43) The Oppenheimer Award (32:12) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (35:57) Fart or Shart (48:23) FEELING NICEY (57:05) Intrusive Thoughts (1:00:18) Play of the Day (1:07:49) The Tyrique Stevenson Worst Play of the Day (1:08:38) Arthur Smith Award (1:09:51) Worst Ref Moment (1:12:33) Lucille Bluth Award (1:16:44) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:40 of podcasting, right on the Ringer NBA YouTube channel. My show, my name is Danny Hyptons, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Rolbeck. And today we are going over all the games from Sunday of week 10. And we have to start with the Lions comeback went over the Houston Texans, which involved, I believe, two field goals that called. collectively pass the uprates. I mean this. I don't even think a full inch
Starting point is 00:01:23 between the two field goals combined. DK, have you ever in your entire life seen one field goal be that close to the uprights without touching them? Never mind two in one game. I don't think so. I can't believe this is what you're leading with. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:01:41 The field goal. A couple of gold field goals. Not that eight interceptions from the game. Oh, that too. That was just a weird game. There were a lot of interceptions. Craig, how are you doing mentally? Because I feel like I am like genuinely like wellness check.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Are you a lot? How are you doing? This is the lowest moment I felt in fantasy football in some time. For those who don't know, I am in my high school long running league. I'm having a terrible season, a lot of injuries. I have golf and Stroud both because it's a super flex league. I just needed like a normal outing from the two of them. 200 yards, two touchdowns each, nothing crazy.
Starting point is 00:02:11 And they come out and throw fucking seven interceptions. One player was like, must have been on the guy's team. that I was playing in fantasy, because one of the Texans O'Lyman actually tried to strip the ball from CJ Stroud to add another, yeah, to get to eight turnovers from the quarterbacks. But, you know, it's not all bad because the record for the most picks thrown by an individual player in a game is eight. So, Goff didn't do that. And that was some guy named Jim Hardy in 1950. He died only four years ago. So his picture on Wikipedia is a drawing. And Goff was, you know, close to those numbers. But, um,
Starting point is 00:02:48 Yeah, it was an outright disaster. I was really annoyed with Chris Collinsworth the whole night, gassing up C.J. Stroud every time he completed a pass, as if he's still some phenom. Stroud hasn't been good in a month and was making stupid decision after stupid decision tonight, forcing throws, throwing up hospital balls. There's a guy on his back and he's trying to force it into a tight window. Stroud was just as bad as golf.
Starting point is 00:03:11 The play where he had Tink Dell wide open in the end zone, and he just like lofted it up or whatever. I would argue Stroud was worse. than golf tonight. I will see, yeah, because golf did the five of deceptions. One was... Two of them were like, not his fault.
Starting point is 00:03:24 One was a Hail Mary at the end of the first half. Three of them were not his fault. Yeah, one was a Hail Mary. One was basically like a strip sack. Yes. And then... One was tipped. I guess there were still three I have to account for. One was tipped. One was tipped.
Starting point is 00:03:35 So he only threw... So once you get rid of three... If you subtract the other three. Also, you... Also, wait. We have to do some respect here, Craig, because Jeff Darlington tweeted out. You're talking about who... You know, like,
Starting point is 00:03:48 after Arlington, Edia spent tweeted out, exactly 80 years ago almost, Lions quarterback Frankie Sinkwich through eight interceptions in a 14 to 10 win. So that remained the most interceptions thrown by a quarterback in the game of
Starting point is 00:04:01 Frankie Sinkwitch. I tried to find that. I couldn't corroborate that stat. Frankie Sinkwich. He's wearing a leather helmet. It's in the canon, Craig. I think Jim Hardy's got the belt. Sinkwitch versus Hardy is the next big matchup
Starting point is 00:04:16 of who threw eight. You could just throw out it. name, but no one will know. Like, just let's make it up. Dude, I, just like, fantasy. Craig, we're going to lose Craig. We're losing Craig. It's so debilitating.
Starting point is 00:04:28 And you want to know the kicker to all this is now I'm going into Monday night, down 15 and I have Jalen Waddle. Oh my God. What he has to do is, it is. Dude, Tyree might not play. You might be in the, you might be like. Bite your tongue, Daniel. Now is the time we have to unveil.
Starting point is 00:04:44 We finally figured this out for years because, well, I guess just a little tease for people, but everyone has always doing their start sit lineup based on how many projected points you have, and Waddle's always projected 14.8 points or whatever, and he never hits it. So we're going to have to, we're going to do the Waddle model. This is like the ultimate test for the Waddle
Starting point is 00:05:03 model of whether Jan Waddle can actually hit his points. Should I, should I do, I feel like this was the perfect week for Stroud to play on Sunday night and lay an egg because we just saw Gus Johnson. We saw Sad Gus Johnson for the first time. Dude, that was so sad. I don't know what happened. It makes perfect.
Starting point is 00:05:22 So if he were announcing the game tonight, he would have been like, Strave. Drops back. Seas Tank Dell picked off. What was the deal with that? Was he like, well,
Starting point is 00:05:35 I think it was like 35 to 7 or whatever. Maybe he was bored. But yeah, if Gus, his whole thing is he's like never bored. That's true. If you have no idea what we're talking about, Ohio,
Starting point is 00:05:45 he was never bored. Ohio State had a strip sack. And no one watching the game gets bored. Yeah, he did a strip sack of the Purdue quarterback. And literally he did, you just do the thing. It was a scoop and score. And he was like, uh, Ohio State strips the quarterback and covers the fumble. Makes it into the end zone.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Yeah, it was like he was ordering to call it into the end zone. Touchdown Ohio State. And I was like, what? Give me something good. Anyway. Do more Stroud, Gus Johnson. Just for the people. Sad Gus?
Starting point is 00:06:13 No, it's happy Gus. I, no, I can't do it. I'm not going to give Stroud that satisfaction. I hate CJ Stroud and I hate Jared Gough. So this one is sort of Chase Daskellos. I couldn't believe this. There are two instances in the next gen stats era of a quarterback throwing an interception to every level of the field, which is behind the line of scrimmage, in front of the line of scrimmage, intermediate and deep in one game.
Starting point is 00:06:36 And it's Jared Goff tonight and Nathan Peterman in 2017. Do you remember that Nathan Peterman game? I remember where I was. Yeah. So what an incredible game. Man. We also, while we're on this Lions, Texans, game. We have to talk about
Starting point is 00:06:50 James Houston, the lineback of the Lions, who I mean, early fart or shart. Did he poop his pants? Sure look like it. This is the danger of, I've always thought it's a little dangerous to have white uniforms in the NFL or any sport, really. I'm surprised we don't see more sharts
Starting point is 00:07:06 on the show, really. I agree. You didn't see it. Basically, there's a large brown area in his butt hole region. Right where the poop would come out. I mean, putting one putting one and one together, you know? It's one of those, like, there's nothing else
Starting point is 00:07:21 that could possibly have been. There it is, yeah. It took me too long. You were on the right path. Putting one and one together. I slowly took the training wheels off and you stayed alive. Craig was like, come up. You can do it.
Starting point is 00:07:36 You can do it. I'm like, down the sideline. Yeah. Oh, God. Anyway, yeah, he shit his pants. Pretty clearly. You have like a spare pair of pants in the locker room that you can like run and go get on? I would imagine so, right?
Starting point is 00:07:53 I got to tell you, I actually so respect that he just stayed in the game. Between that and I'll see Derek Kennedy's ass on Thursday. I was going to say, I don't think he probably didn't know. You think he didn't know? It's like sweaty down there. Do you know? Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Actually, you're right. I guess you're playing NFL football. He'd tackled. Yeah, you think if he knew he would have left the game? Not if he was on, not if he was on the field, you know. If it was time to play defense, no way. This is a Dan Campbell coach team. He didn't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:08:21 He's just like, I'm playing. He didn't give a shit. Yeah. It's actually probably makes him like harder to block. That should be the tagline for this team, the Lions, we give a shit. Yeah. All right. That's great right there.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Yeah. Okay. And Craig, anything else? What the fuck? What was that? That was the weirdest. It was truly the weirdest game. Every single time, Craig Texas, what the fuck is going on with these interceptions?
Starting point is 00:08:45 There was a nether interception. Craig was literally like texting us complaining about the picks. And then it was like right where I think Stroud threw it and then Gop turned around it through another way. I started complaining I think when there was three total intersections. I was like, Craig, don't look. Turn away. Nasty game. I have to, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:09:03 I have to just read the drive report, the drive by drive report and the play by play. Yeah. Here, can I just read you what happened on each drive? This is from the beginning, the end of the first half. Interception, interception, interception, punt, touchdown, interception, interception, punt, punt, punt. God. There were like five interceptions at like eight minutes of game time.
Starting point is 00:09:29 If the Lions can win throwing five picks against what's supposed to be a good team, it really does feel like the two teams of destiny, Lions and the Chiefs, two teams that just can't lose, no matter what happens. Shout to Tyler Brooker called it plot armor. for the Lions and the Chiefs. I think my question is, D.K., do you think that this game was one,
Starting point is 00:09:49 basically an aberration for Jared Goff? Do you think Jared Goff might not be healthy, or do you think that it's actually... Fart or shard. You're asking fart or shart. Yeah, fart or shart, Jared Gough and James Seas. I think it was a fart. I think it was a fart. Especially because they won, he can, like, you know, unintended. He can flush this game.
Starting point is 00:10:05 Well, I can't. And move on with his life. But, yeah, like, he's never this inaccurate. It was, like, bizarre. it did feel like he had the yips. I guess we'll know if he truly had the yips because he was just, he was like skipping passes to dudes.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Even when he wasn't throwing picks, he was just like really inaccurate. So that was a really weird game. Goff and four incompletions last week. Yeah. I don't think it's going to matter. I don't think it's going to like, you know, go to the next game or whatever. You really don't notice the flaws in a player until you desperately need them in fantasy football.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Jared Goff, the one thing that stood out to me tonight was how how wide and long his stance is when he settles into throw a pass, he looks like a giraffe out there. The widest feet you can imagine, he brings the elbow all the way back, Tebow style. He's like six, four and long.
Starting point is 00:10:53 He's like basically takes over the whole pocket. No, one of the offensive line has to be so good because he needs like an eight-foot diameter to throw a pass. He's going to be fine. He'll be fine. Five interceptions for golf tonight. He threw four interceptions last season,
Starting point is 00:11:11 which I just five. incredible. I think I saw this as first pick since week three. Yeah. So, yeah, it's an aberration,
Starting point is 00:11:18 I think, hopefully. Many aberrations over and over the aberrations. Just like a nightmare game. Yeah, so, DK,
Starting point is 00:11:25 we'll start thinking of like another co-host to replace Craig when he quits. Well, I think Waddle's gonna really, Waddle's gonna bring you back.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Imagine if Waddle brings me back and I rise like a Phoenix. I cannot wait for this. Rise like a Phoenix. On the back of Waddle. He'd be closely watching that game.
Starting point is 00:11:42 All right, let's get at the winners and losers of the day. Craig, I feel like we got to start with your Steelers. Yeah, man. We talked about this on Thursday. I was nervous about this game because I thought one team might get exposed. And I was worried it was Pittsburgh. I don't think any team got exposed, really. I mean, the Steelers were down 10 in the second half and came back.
Starting point is 00:12:00 I think what this game told me is like, do I think the Steelers are in tier one of contenders? No. But I think they are firmly in Tier 2. And the Steelers have an identity. This is a vibe season. everyone is on board the defense, the offense, everybody can feel it.
Starting point is 00:12:16 Russ is doing the Seahawks thing. He's pulling shit out of his ass and honestly he's very stealersy at least like, you know, playing up or down to your competition, a lot of late game antics, pulling shit out of your butt, kind of seriously.
Starting point is 00:12:30 James Houston, this is just, I'm just like, that's the theme of the whole week is pulling shit out of your ass. But like, I feel like Russ in moments kind of shares similar vibes to Big Ben,
Starting point is 00:12:39 not really in stylistically at all, but just in terms of like antics, extended plays, late game heroics, and you have to kind of just trust the process because it can look really bad at some points and then in other points look amazing. Yeah, yeah. It was incredible. Now, of course, my guy with the cherry on top, Mike Williams,
Starting point is 00:12:54 winning the game and letting out a shriek of a nine-year-old girl. Dude, this was what I was trying to tell you about the Russell Wilson experience. I will admit right off to bat, like he's played better than I think I expected or anybody probably expected, maybe except for Mike Tomlin. But I used to have this bit where I retweeted every time the Seahawks won a game. It was just like familiar feeling following another Seahawks win, misery. Because it was just like the whole game is a pile of shit. And then Wilson finds a way to like win it right at the end.
Starting point is 00:13:27 And this is like such a Russell Wilson thing. The fact that the Dan Quinn led commanders, like they didn't zero blitz him. I think they had like one guy as like a cover one blitz. That was the Mike Williams touchdown. I'm like, why would you do that to Russell Wilson? He's beaten that play so many times in his career. That's like you're just asking for a touchdown to be thrown. And it was like Russell Wilson, he saw that the blitz was coming.
Starting point is 00:13:49 It was like all out blitz. And the safety was shaded over to Pickenside. So it's just like, I'm throwing it up there. Pickens had caught a touchdown in the right corner of the end zone earlier. Safety shaded that way. Having Mike Williams and George Pickens on either side can do. The funny thing about that play is the only reason Mike Williams was in is because Calvin Austin got injured.
Starting point is 00:14:07 And he was supposed to be running that route, Mike Williams said after the game. Mike Williams had not even practiced running that, and Russ on the sideline told him what to do. So if that was Calvin Austin, who's like a foot shorter, he probably doesn't catch that ball. Yeah. I think, yeah, and I think Mike Williams is going to start playing that role from now on. Like, they were definitely easing him in.
Starting point is 00:14:24 I think he only played like 12 snaps or something. Nine snaps or something. He played nine snaps in that game. Also, you got a shout out the defense. They let up 27 points, but it felt better than that. You know, the Steelers had a horrible fake punt drop that basically gave the commanders a free touchdown. But the commanders had the most punt.
Starting point is 00:14:39 they've had all season. They had the least amount of total yards, the least rushing yards per carry. Jayden Daniels only ran for five yards in this game. The Steelers defense did. Yeah, it did feel like they bottle them up. By the way, speaking of that punt, that fake punt, that didn't work,
Starting point is 00:14:51 I feel like this special teams coach for the Steelers, who I'd never seen before in my life, never heard of them before. Danny Smith, is that his name? He's got more screen time this year than I think any other coach in the NFL. I see this guy every week
Starting point is 00:15:07 like going around, like dapping up everybody, He had like a big scar. Like he'd got like head butted or something today. Like he's like bleeding from the cheek. Like who is this guy? It feels like an industry plant. He's just like we need a special team coach. That's fun, you know?
Starting point is 00:15:22 There's also like the work. Tomlin is so bad at calling fourth down, man. I don't know what the fuck he was doing. We were on our own tent. I think my theory and maybe the, they talked about it after the game and I just didn't see it was like, it was just like an automatic check like they saw something in the defense maybe. Or did they say that they like wanted to do that?
Starting point is 00:15:39 Did you see? The play was fine. The play worked. The guy just dropped the ball. You just dropped it. You don't, you don't. You know what? If he catches it, then you're thrilled.
Starting point is 00:15:47 What do you mean? You don't do it. If he catches it, I'm like, we got super lucky there. That was playing Russian roulette and I would never do that again. He was wide open. We were on our own 10. That's why I think it was a check because he was just wide open. I think that the other thing we have to just, before we move on from the Steelers game,
Starting point is 00:16:04 Russell Wilson with the most try-hard victory of all time, where they actually did, like, how many times do you? see teams line up on fourth and one, try to get the defense to jump all sides. Like a thousand times in a row until that works. With the game on the line, literally the difference between the Steelers running out the clock or giving Jade and Daniels back the ball with the chance to win the game. All they needed was field goal. Russell Wilson literally gets the rookie Johnny Newton from Washington to jump off sides.
Starting point is 00:16:30 Oh, brutal. That was the most obvious they're not going to run a play. Right. Like, honestly, they shouldn't have figured. I can't believe that actually worked. It was so annoying to see Russell Wilson actually get to do that, frankly. I don't know. I thought it was fun.
Starting point is 00:16:43 I thought it was cool. Like Russell, he got him to jump and then he like just took off running towards the sideline. Like hyped everybody up. He did like a little dance. I mean, he's still not cool, but it's fun. Yeah. I admitted I was like pretty into that moment. It was fun.
Starting point is 00:16:56 So, yeah, Steelers. Yeah, 28 to 27 whenever Washington. DK, do you miss it a little bit watching this? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely, man. Like, it was a little nostalgic seeing Russell hit like those moonballs because that's just like, that's what he's always done, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:17:10 Like he just is so, he can pull defeat out of the jaws of victory. What is the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the full victory out of the defeat? He also did the other side. Speaking of, yeah, he did a little bit of both. But, you know, like he's just, he has that, he has that magic to him that is very, it's like intoxicating. So 100% I was really into it. It's fun.
Starting point is 00:17:31 It's cool to see him like doing so well. Clearly the team has bought in around him. He's perfect for pickings. Um, if you look at his, just, he's, just spree. chart for like where he's passing is like I mean he's just only passing to the sidelines literally it's like they're not doing anything in the middle of the field especially deep but and so I think that limits them especially when they're losing but yeah it's just it's it's fun I I'm I'm into it so well speaking of magic though and bowling victory from the jaws of defeat my winner for the day is the
Starting point is 00:17:58 kansas city chiefs and whatever dark magic they practice and whatever satanic worship that patrick Rome's has made a deal with the devil because the chiefs of the Patriots now. The Chiefs beat the Broncos today 16 to 14. The Broncos were down, they had them. They had them. The Broncos were down two points with one second left. All they had to do is hit a field goal. They had is a 35-yard field goal that is basically an extra point.
Starting point is 00:18:21 One second on the clock. You kick this extra point basically and you win the game. And Chiefs linebacker Leo Chanel blocks the field goal for the walk. He bowled a guy over. Well, pancaked, I think it's Alex Forsyth, who I believe it's the starting center now for the Broncos, pancaked him and won, so, well, first of the, they won the game, Chiefs are 9-0,
Starting point is 00:18:43 best start his season in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs, which is unbelievable because, frankly, the Chiefs kind of played like shit. And you know what, Patrick Mahomes played like shit? The Cheat, well, not played like shit, but he didn't play well. Right. And honestly, the Broncos totally outplayed the Chiefs.
Starting point is 00:18:59 And if they just made this goddamn kick, we'd be talking about how the Broncos had played him and I kind of still want to talk about that because I've been hard on Denver Craig was right. Craig got on the Sean Peyton bandwagon at the right time. Denver totally kicked Kansas City's ass today. I can't believe they lost.
Starting point is 00:19:15 I was really excited. They were winning the whole game. I was like, I'm on the Sean Peyton bandwagon. He's doing weird stuff. Bo Nix actually gets better every week. Yeah. It's disappointing. Bow Nix played great. The defense played great. And I mean, the defense is ready.
Starting point is 00:19:30 The defense is ready in front. Frankly, I actually think the, Sean Hades coaching. Yeah, they really did. All their defenders are doing fantastic. And then if you look at the offense, frankly, they're coached really well. Sean Payton's playing really aggressively. Even getting the shit kicked out on by Baltimore last week, Sean Payton went for a fourth down like three times in the first half. Like he's not coaching afraid at all.
Starting point is 00:19:49 And then I think if they have better talent on offense next year in some certain spots, I think it's going to be a really good team. But if you just look, I mean, Mahomes today, you're totally right. He was harassed, but also totally overthrew or just. missed Xavier Worthy and should have been a wide open touchdown and put the ball of bounds. He overthrew Kelsey on what should have been a touchdown of the end zone. Like I just, and then I admittedly, Juan Yomoros, the left tackle for them got hurt and he was in and out, Kings and Sue, I'm and Ties a rookie.
Starting point is 00:20:13 But regardless, I don't know, I can't believe, this is the most like you thought you had the Chiefs dead to rights. And honestly, am I, they're the Patriots now. Like, every time you think you have this freaking team, it's, they're unkillable. I think this season, we are witnessing their, they're transatlable. from hero to villain? Yes. I think everybody was still having a good time,
Starting point is 00:20:35 even though they were winning a lot. They won number three last year. I still think it was like, this is so cool, this is so fun. Everyone's likable on this team. The Taylor Swift thing was novel and exciting. And now it's like, all right, this is no longer cool.
Starting point is 00:20:48 They're winning games. They don't even look good. The Taylor Swift thing has gone from fun to kind of obnoxious. And everything is working out. It's like the guy you know who you hated in high school, who's actually just, rich and successful and hot, and it just continues to get better and better.
Starting point is 00:21:04 He didn't peak in high school. Damn it. He's just continuing to be. No, you're 100% right. 100%. Yeah, no. He was sick of it now. And if there was a moment
Starting point is 00:21:13 that Chiefs became villains, it might be today because everyone's sick of it. I also have to say Leo Chanel who blocked the extra point, or the kick today, not even his best block of the year. He blocked an extra point, an extra point in the Super Bowl
Starting point is 00:21:26 against the Niners. And guess what? They went to overtime. And they wanted to, overtime. So if he didn't block the extra point, the Chiefs lose the Super Bowl. So he's done that twice this year. This is what championship teams have. Yeah. They have guys that
Starting point is 00:21:38 make plays in all three phases. And when one phase isn't playing very well, the other one does play well or whatever, makes big plays. I know it's like total cliche, but the Chiefs are just a walking cliche at this point. They just find ways to win every week. Yeah. D.K., who's your loser for the day?
Starting point is 00:21:56 The Colts and Joe Flacco's legacy or reputation or whatever. Like, I think when, you know, early in the season he came in and immediately everything got better, he should have just gotten hurt or something and people would be like, Joe Flack was awesome. He's great. But now that he's actually playing more and a lot, he's not very good. Familiarity breeds contempt.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Yeah. Yeah, he threw, what was it, three picks today. Plus, I think he lost a fumble. His first pass of the day was a pick six. Correct. That was tough. I was tough point to start. I think it was two for five with two picks to start the game.
Starting point is 00:22:30 And he should have had five picks. There was two drop balls. I mean, if I had told you the Colts quarterback would throw a pick six in his first pass, the Colts quarterback would throw a pick on a screen, the Colts quarterback would throw a pick overthrowing Alec Pierce, and then two other interceptions of the red zone would be dropped. You'd be like, wow, Anthony Richardson played terribly. They should play Joe Flacco.
Starting point is 00:22:46 Yeah. But that was Joe Flacco. I know. And it's like, at this point, I don't really care what he brings. Like, I think Shane Steichen after the game mentioned, like, leadership and veteran, veteranosity or whatever. You know, like just like the veteran. that he brings that veteran leadership.
Starting point is 00:23:02 I'm like, dude, who cares? You turn it all, you turn to the ball over four times. You cannot win with four turnovers unless you're the lions. Yes. And so, I don't know, unless you're, what was this name? Sinkwitch. To Frankie Sinkwitch. Yeah, unless you're Frankie Sinkwitch.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Joe Flack is no Frankie Sinkwitch. So, I don't know, man. And then after the game, Stuyken was kind of sticking to it. I think he maybe left the door open a little bit more than he has in the last couple weeks. but for Richardson to come back. But yeah, man, this just feels weird. It feels like doing this with Flacco, you're going to lose the fans.
Starting point is 00:23:37 Because at one point, I think it was like it made sense. Like, this is a team that wants to win and there's veterans on the team that like want to compete and whatever. But like, I don't know, man. This just feels like a losing strategy at this point. Not only will you lose the fans, I think you'll start to lose the locker room too. Yeah, I mean, the whole reason why Flacco was playing was he was supposed to be
Starting point is 00:23:55 the steady hand who could move you. down the field and limit dumb plays and limit turnovers. He's not doing that at all. And he brings no upside now. Unless there's something going on with Anthony Richardson that we're kind of unaware of, if he's not starting next week, this is complete malpractice from the Colts organization. It's just weird.
Starting point is 00:24:12 I totally agree, Craig. And also, they have to start to reach you. I mean, this is pathetic. There's no argument to start Flacco with this level of play. And then to your point about the locker room, so Kenny Moore, who's a cornerback who's been in Indianapolis for a long time, he's the captain of the defense in Indianapolis, which I think is, it's super
Starting point is 00:24:27 underrated who's a captain or not. And Kenny Moore said this after the game to the Indianapolis star. Kenny Moore said, I don't think everybody is working as hard as possible. And obviously, it is showing. I'm not the type to sugarcoat it. Honestly, I don't think the urgency is there. I don't think the details are there. I don't think the effort is there. And I don't see everything correlating from the meetings to practice to the games and it shows. End quote. Yeah. Brutal. It's a brutal thing from the captain of your team. I feel like there's been a lot of, like, the team isn't trying storylines or narratives this year.
Starting point is 00:25:01 You know what I mean? It's like the Raiders, the Pats, the Colts. I feel like there's been a lot of situations where these players are like, yeah, I don't know if the locker room really is feeling it. Well, you were talking about it like earlier this week. There's like seven to-it teams. Yeah. I mean, more than that, I mean, yeah, there were nine.
Starting point is 00:25:22 That's more than a quarter of the league with two wins. I think it's hard to, I think that it's the most underrated thing is how fucking depressing it is to lose in an awful game and go another week till you play another one. And like, when you lose four games in a row, that's a month where everyone and everyone you work with is completely depressed for a month. And it just, a quarter of the league has been like that.
Starting point is 00:25:40 It's really depressing. Speaking of which, um, Craig, who's your loser? The Bears, dude. My God. Yeah. He lost 19 to 3 to the Patriots. Awful game. Caleb threw for 120 yards on, he was 16 for 30.
Starting point is 00:25:54 No touchdowns. He hasn't thrown a touchdown. since week six. The team has zero touchdown. The team has zero touchdown since the Hail Mary. Caleb, he was sacked nine times today, leads the league in sacks.
Starting point is 00:26:06 There was a point where the Patriots defenders were like helping him up and tapping him on the helmet. Being like, Hey, man, we're sorry about this. That's actually like the most disrespectful thing when the defenders are like,
Starting point is 00:26:18 dude. It was bad. At least he just shroud waits until after the game to tap C to tap Caleb on that. I know, right? Even the announcers now, it's like, Caleb's not playing well, but he's not being helped at all.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Even the announcers now are starting to talk about how the play calling is so bad. Players are running to the same parts of the field. Running backs are blocking the wrong sides of the protection. It's just a mess. Dude, I like that you said, first of all, I like you just said that. No one knows who to fucking block on the Chicago Bears. No one knows who to block.
Starting point is 00:26:48 Keaton out, like, I'm not going to criticize anyone's effort, but I will just say when no one knows their assignment, you hesitate and hesitation can look like you're not trying. Everyone on the Bears is always hesitating. No one knows who to block. Keenan Allen doesn't know who to block. The offensive line doesn't know who to block. That is like a huge ick, huge red flag on the coaching staff.
Starting point is 00:27:08 I also just want to say to score this game again. The Bears lost 19 to 3 to the New England Patriots. They were six point favorites. They only scored three points. The Bears have 21 straight drives without a touchdown. 21 straight drives Chicago has not scored. This is a team that would have been five and two if they had won that Hail Mary game versus Washington.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Instead, they are four and five, and now functionally, I mean, not out of the playoffs, but they seem like it. And every... Playoffs. Yeah, well, playoffs? If they'd won that game, they would have been five and two. Yeah, you're trying to think of playoffs.
Starting point is 00:27:42 Playoffs. You won't, yeah, you're right, Hyvin. Their last five games, they've played the Pats, the Cardinals, the commanders, the Jags, and the Panthers. And they went two and three. Their next five games, they play the entire NFC North. Their next three games are Packers, Vikings, Lions, and then they go Niners, Vikings, Lions again.
Starting point is 00:27:59 I can't stress enough that they just absolutely blew the easiest part of their schedule. Yeah, it's cooked. It's over. I'm going to say like the really obvious thing here. I think that Shane Waldron's getting fired. Oh, yeah. He might be fired by the time this podcast.
Starting point is 00:28:13 I know, right. Dude, honestly, he should be. And honestly, Matt Eberflus, the head coach of the bear should also be fired. Either I don't care if it's now or at the end of the season, but it's not serious. Like when you get a, I think when you get a team that is this demoralized and the vibes are this atrocious and no one is, no one has any like fire or passion. It's like something has to change.
Starting point is 00:28:32 Like it's a coaching. It comes down to coaching. And then like obviously the team needs like some more leadership to step up or whatever. But this team has no identity, no juice. The vibes are atrocious. And I think everybody's starting to catch on like Shane Waldron just not the man for the job in terms of like what like. designing an offense that's going to suit Caleb Williams and, like, help get the most out of him.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Shane Waldron. He's not terrible, but like the play calling is also awful. The protection sucks. He's been sacked six plus times in back-to-back games. First time since 93, a bear's team has done that. Think about that. And so, I don't know, man. And the bears have been terrible.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I know. Dude, also. Yeah, so I don't know. I think obviously, obviously something has to change. I think it makes a ton of sense for them to have fire, at least Waldron. Well, we've known about the Shane Walton thing. literally at the freaking Super Bowl in February.
Starting point is 00:29:23 Jackson Smith and Jigba. Shane Walsden came from Seattle, and they asked Jackson Smith and Jigba, what should Bears fans know about Shane Waldron coming in? And he was like, is this live? And if you don't know what we're talking about... Kai, play the exchange for the people who don't know what we're talking about. Please. Bears fans are super
Starting point is 00:29:40 interested about the offensive coordinator coming in Shane Waldron. What can you tell them about who they just hired to try to get this offense where it needs to go? Um This is live Yeah We're not live
Starting point is 00:29:56 We're not live I'm playing Good luck to y'all I mean he's a He's a great person He's a great person That's a great person That's so bad
Starting point is 00:30:07 Chain Waldron feels like The type of guy Once he gets fired He's not gonna get hired again Like he's going to college Right He's But that's the thing though
Starting point is 00:30:14 Is with the Bears And I know we're beating Them to death But everyone Like I can't stress this enough. First of all, what is coaching, if not, the hole should be greater than the sum of the parts? The Bears hole is much less than the sum of the parts, number one.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Everyone at every level of the Bears is bad at hiring people. The ownership is an absolute mess. The kids are a disaster of running the team. GM Ryan Poles is terrible at evaluating. He traded a 30-second pick in the draft for Chase Claypool, and then they just traded forth for Keenan Allen instead of keeping Darnell Moody. They can't evaluate talent. They're coaching.
Starting point is 00:30:43 They hired Matt Eberfuss. I always forget about that. That Mooney left. Yeah. Matt Eberflus. hired his first offensive cord name was Luke Getsy. Luke Getsy, no offense to Luke Getsy, has been fired twice this year. He got fired by the Bears and the Raiders this year.
Starting point is 00:30:57 And his second hire is Shane Walton who probably fired like Monday morning. So like no one can hire anyone in this entire organization. The Walter thing was always weird to me too because it's like, the Seahawks were just like, sure, yeah, go ahead. Hire him. Dude. Terrible sign. Yeah, you won't do it.
Starting point is 00:31:15 They did not try to keep him whatsoever. I know that they had a new coaching staff, but, but yeah, I don't know. I think, like, and somebody, I can't remember who said it on the broadcast, but I thought it was just, like, really on point. It's like, everything feels really hard for the, for the, for the, for the bears right now. It's like, nothing is easy. There is no easy button. There's nothing that they can do that makes things easy.
Starting point is 00:31:36 He's getting sacked. Kill Williams is getting sacked on almost every play, like immediate pressure. I understand that Williams is like not playing well either, but like, give him a few layups. get the rhythm going. This is what good coaches do. It's like they help their players get out of like a funk's like this. And there's just like no way.
Starting point is 00:31:52 They don't have any answers to help him get out of this. And luckily they have played the Packers next week who they lost 10 straight games too. My loser is anybody who played against Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow and also me, variously. But yeah, so Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow were the Oppenheimer Award for the player who went nuclear this week because Jamar Chase had. 11 catches for 264 yards and three touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:32:19 So it's 50 points in half PPR, 55 in full PPR, I think. Joe Burrow, 428 yards for touchdown passes, number one quarterback in the NFL this week. Joe Burrow leads the NFL in passing yards. Jamar Chase, I believe still currently, has the NFL Triple Crown leading the league and catches yards and touchdowns. Can you guys imagine if some moron
Starting point is 00:32:41 had just spent the whole summer saying, don't draft the Bengals whiting about the wrist injury with Joe Burrow and only the dumbest, stupidest moron could have possibly said perhaps don't consider drafting the two most fun players in the NFL
Starting point is 00:33:02 Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow. What you should have done is the lesson to learn is you just got to save it for the take purge where there's no responsibility for it. That's what you needed to do. Yeah. It's crazy that Joe Burrow has thrown for nine touchdowns one pick in two games against the Ravens
Starting point is 00:33:16 this year and he lost both. It's like the inverse of the fucking what's his name thing, the sinkworth or what's his, what? Sinkwich. Sinkwich. You had nine touchdowns and you lose. I will say I, so Joe Burrow, honestly the whole Burrow me thing started when Joe Burrough said he was
Starting point is 00:33:32 contemplating his football mortality and now I'm contemplating my football mortality because I think I'm going to get like killed with pitchforks by everybody who didn't have Jimar Chase. I'm contemplating my fantasy football mortality. So we're all kind of going through to. All right. Calm down. Down.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Burrow is a little emo, I feel like. You know? Is it the hair hanging over one of his eyes? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the bangs? He's, he's an intellectual, you know? He feels things more than the most quarterbacks. I will say, though.
Starting point is 00:34:01 He's really good, though, clearly. But just to recap the thing, Burrow, he ruptured the keystone ligament in his wrist. And no NFL quarterback that we're aware of and they could find and anyone could find has ever had this injury. And he couldn't. So we're like, there's no precedent for this. injury. So we're like, well, what's going on with Joe? Because there's no other timeline to look to. So it's like, well, what's going on with Joe is he can't throw three days in a row.
Starting point is 00:34:21 He couldn't throw deep for the final three weeks of August. He's fussing with his wrist. And every time he's not, water bottle. Watergate. No, but he's just messing with his wrist at all times of the day. And I'm like, well, there's no precedent. So it's kind of weird that no precedent. Watergate is my Roman Empire. Yeah, watergate picking up water bottles. But my whole argument was if there's no precedent. fucking weirdos. He's not cooked because he can't pick up a water bottle. But my whole thing was that there's no precedent-wise, no discount.
Starting point is 00:34:49 And, well, there's a precedent now. So he's fine. And so, well... Knock on wood. Knock on wood. My bad. No, I will say... He did injure his left arm in this game. That's true. I will just say, though, because I do genuinely think I owe people an apology because the Josh Jacobs
Starting point is 00:35:05 thing a couple years ago, I think that was bad process. The Mike Davis thing was a bad process. I think this one actually, I still think it was a good process, but it doesn't matter because it was fucking wrong. So I genuinely, for the bottom of my heart, I'm sorry to everyone who doesn't have Jamar Chase, which I assume is literally everybody listening to the show. Can you also apologize for going on the Bill Simmons podcast
Starting point is 00:35:21 and passionately advising that everybody bet on the New York Giants? No, that worked. The Giants lost, and now they could get the top two pick in the draft. So that was a great reverse jinks by me. Oh, I called it. I called it. You wanted everybody to lose all their money, and then also the Giants get the first pick in the draft. Not all your money. You didn't put all your money on it, did you? Hopefully.
Starting point is 00:35:40 I think you said something like bet $10,000, all the money you have. I think you said. That was verbatim. But yeah, I did do that. I did, I did bet the giants. I did do that. I did bet the Giants and the Eagles, which the Eagles worked out,
Starting point is 00:35:53 but I parolid them. I mean, I'll just, dude, it's so over right off the top. Daniel Jones, it is so over for Daniel Jones. Dude, it's been saying it's over for years. It's been over. It's always been over. I think it's literally over.
Starting point is 00:36:06 I don't think he'll start. It's always been over. It's fast and furious. You never had your car. Every week, Hypoen shows up, he's like, I don't think Daniel Jones is very good. Like, yeah. No, no, no. I'm saying, like, I don't think he'll ever start for the Giants ever again.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Like, I think he's never going to start another game. Really? I think that they're going to bench him for Drew Locke. Probably Ms. Drew Locke is so bad. I know, but they want to lose. And at this point, like, Daniel Jones at this point, it's like, that was the most embarrassed. I think that was the most embarrassing game of his career.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Why not throw Tommy Cutlitz out there? Isn't he saw on a team? He's like practice squad. He's the draft picks killer, though. You can't do that. He'll win a few games. that's true. Exactly. Yeah, he fucked us up the first time. But Daniel Jones,
Starting point is 00:36:45 he missed, it started with a clean pocket. He threw up all over Malik neighbor's head by 10 yards. Like, he had clean pockets the whole game to flea flicker where he missed Malik neighbors. I don't know. Frankly, it's so embarrassing. That was the moment we all knew. That was the beginning of the end,
Starting point is 00:37:03 or the end of the end. I don't think a shitty quarterback has consistently started more games to begin their career than Daniel Jones. Yeah. I realize today that watching a Giants game while other people are all watching this Giants game because they were the Germany game. It's the same feeling I have when you're like taking a shit
Starting point is 00:37:20 and someone walks into the bathroom on you. You're just like absolutely humiliated. And you're just like, you know, like it's so embarrassing. I feel seen. Have you ever like, you ever look at your dog while it's taking a shit? And he's so self-conscious. That's how I feel when like I'm watching the Giants and I'm like, oh my God, other people are also seeing this.
Starting point is 00:37:39 It's humiliating. This is good. ultimately, now you have the second pick right now in the draft. Just lose out. All right. D.K. First? No, Jacksonville. No, it doesn't matter because it's by the end of the season. They just have to lose out and they'll be fine.
Starting point is 00:37:52 DK. It's so over. We're so back. They just have to lose out. We'll be fine. It's so over. The Cowboys are so over. The Cowboys are cooked. And Jerry Jones is absolutely cooked. Okay, first off, let's start with the game. 146 yards, 49 total passing yards in this game. Also, the score.
Starting point is 00:38:09 It doesn't matter. they lost by a lot. 34 to 6. The Eagles won 34 to 6 over Dallas. Not a close game in any fashion. 2.6 yards per play. According to Shield Capadia, this was the best defensive performance
Starting point is 00:38:25 by any team in a game this season. The Cowboys had 13 possessions. They gave the ball away five times and scored zero touchdowns. And I think just the funniest story in all of professional sports right now is this fucking sun thing coming in and blinding people
Starting point is 00:38:40 and every week. The Cowboys, I feel like, I know that it hasn't happened every week, but it feels like every week a Cowboys player misses like a huge play because he's getting absolutely
Starting point is 00:38:49 blinded by the sun because they refuse to put up curtains in this stupid stadium that they designed. Why did they even build it that way? Like Jerry was just like, did Jerry Jones basically think that if they build it this way,
Starting point is 00:39:02 then they'll be the only team that knows that. And then every time there's a coin toss, they'll just get the ball when there's no sun like that. What the fuck was he thinking? I don't understand it. And he's, like, still defending it really, really hard.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Basically, like, Jerry Jones after the game was like, first of all, you got to just listen to, like, what Jerry Jones says because he sounds insane. He's like, the world knows where the sun is. You get to know that almost a year in advance. I would argue you'd know it more than a year in advance. Someone asked me about the sun. What about the sun?
Starting point is 00:39:34 Where's the moon? This guy is cooked. He's running this team. Wait, what did he say? Say it again? someone asked me about the sun. Somebody asked me about the sun. What about the sun?
Starting point is 00:39:45 Where's the moon? Jerry Jones, it's a good point. Jerry Jones defending, first of all, let's just, the sunk cost thing, they built the stadium.
Starting point is 00:39:55 It is where it is. The windows are where they are. They did it on purpose. However, they're not going to move the stadium. I want to be very clear. We take the key bottom and we move it somewhere else.
Starting point is 00:40:07 No, they put, they put curtains, up for other events in the stadium. They do. Really? They put curtains up. They have curtain. They have the technology.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Jerry Jones is just too stubborn to put the fucking curtains up. It reminds me of the, you know, that I think you should leave thing where he's like, it's a push door. He's like, no, it's actually, it's both. And then he just like yanks the door off of the freaking frame because he just doesn't want to like, this is what Jerry Jones is doing with these fucking curtains. Just put the curtains up. Yes.
Starting point is 00:40:36 They apparently use the curtains for concerts and other non-football. You have the curtain. What are you doing? Every week, a guy gets freaking blinded. C.D. Lamb, for the record, by the way, C.D. Lamb totally missed a touchdown because he couldn't see the ball, like when it was coming towards him. And he, by the way, he was asked, what's your feeling on the curtain? Or he's like, are you in favor of curtains? Somebody asked him that.
Starting point is 00:41:01 Are you pro-curtains? Are you in favor of curtains? Do you respect Wood? He's like, a thousand percent. I'm not the one making the choice. I respect Wood. Look, I think this is very relatable. I think Jerry's position is very relatable. It's like that story I told a few years back about in college,
Starting point is 00:41:17 my friend and I got an argument about the pronunciation of the word impotent. And he said impotent. And he knew he was wrong. He's taking it to the grave. Yeah, he had a decision to make it in that moment. Do I admit my, how wrong I was or do I double down? Jerry doubled down. We know what?
Starting point is 00:41:31 It's bad on, it's worth for him his whole life. Dude, hi-fitts and I've been tweeting about this since 2019. I look back at some of our tweets. They built the stadium. It's the dumbest thing in football right now. Think about the conversation. They did it on purpose. You designed the stadium to allow that sunlight in.
Starting point is 00:41:49 They built the stadium and the conversations basically, we're going to blind the other team. And then no one had the balls to say to Jerry, what if we blind ourselves? What if we lose the coin toss? It's our home stadium. Oh, my God. we'll just have the ball
Starting point is 00:42:10 always at 4.30. Yeah, Jerry's like, it's our own stadium. And nobody else, no one knows where the sun is going to be except us. We know a year in advance. What do we think about this? You get to know that almost a year in advance. Don't they know where the sun's going to be like a thousand years in advance just based on like the fucking, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Yeah, they figure that. They have that shit a lot. I think that's like a thing. I think what makes it funnier is the fact that he says we know that almost a year in advance, which implies that. There is some, there is some, like, some of the syphic formula that he is aware of that we're not. It depends how windy is. It's like, salemps.
Starting point is 00:42:46 It's about 330 days in advance. We know the truth. We find out the trajectory of the sun. I want to leave it open to, maybe we don't know how the sun works. We definitely know how the sun works. The entirety of human society is built around it. Almost the year in advance is when we find out. There's an announcement.
Starting point is 00:43:03 What does that mean? That's when they announce it. Yeah. Is there some secret billionaire meeting where they discuss where the sun's going every year? Oh, shit. Craig, the flat earthers are going to have a deal thing? I don't know. Email us at RiggerFentacy Football at J-Mel.com if you're a scientist or whatever,
Starting point is 00:43:20 and you know how far does we know about the sun in advance? I'm pretty sure it's like thousands of years. A little less than a year in advance to find out where the sun's can be. It's definitely more than that. We have daylight savings. The reason we have a leap year is that a leap year is that every year is actually 365 days in six hours. but that's too complicated. So then every...
Starting point is 00:43:39 The Mayans knew where the sun was going to be relative to Jerry world. Yeah, the Mayans figured that shit out. Yeah. They've known this for thousands of years. The Egyptians figured this shit out. No one told Jerry. Maybe Jerry has access to some old Mayan book
Starting point is 00:43:54 that says that a little less than a year in advance. Honestly, he probably would. Speaking of other... Wait, hold on. But we also, we have to talk about how... So obviously, you're listening to this on Veterans Day. and the Cowboys had they honored some people
Starting point is 00:44:10 on their giant video screen which are the other features the stadium has as a scoreboard solo punters can hit the ball under the screen. How much did the stadium cost? Like a billion dollars
Starting point is 00:44:20 and it was before that was when that was a lot of money. Right. And this team is, this is a company allegedly worth $10 billion. They're blinding their own players. Anyway, Jerry Jones
Starting point is 00:44:30 I love it. On the giant video screen the honored veterans, including Tom Landry, who's like the most important coach in Cowb's history, One of the most important people of the history of the NFL, Tom Langer, who's a World War II veteran.
Starting point is 00:44:39 They spelled his name Tom Laundry. Okay. They put, thank you for your service, Tom Laundry, on their giant video screen. We got no curtains. We got a low scoreboard. Luckily, nobody could read the screen.
Starting point is 00:44:57 We cast my last night right. Nobody could read the screen because there was a strong glare from the sun. So it's the worst. When the sun's like, on your TV. Oh my God. Curtains are in the laundry. I love it.
Starting point is 00:45:13 The best is like, like it's always the same time. The games are always the same time. Like the sun's going to be shining through it directly in the third quarter every freaking day. I love that. God. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Are you, are you four curtains? What's your, what's your position on curtains? I didn't know they had the curtains already. I thought they had the curtains. Are you in favor of curtains? Was a question that was asked a player today.
Starting point is 00:45:41 I love, do you respect what? The best receiver in the NFL. I'd ask that. Should they block the sun? Anyway, Craig, it's so over. We're so back. It's so over for the Jets. They lost 31 to 6 today to the Cardinals.
Starting point is 00:45:58 And Rogers, man, Rogers is so afraid of being hit that he's ruining his offense. Like, he can't hold on to the ball. Austin Gail of the ringer, our pal, put out a tweet saying that this year Rogers has the shortest time to throw in the league. It's also the shortest time to throw of Rogers his entire career. And he's like directing traffic. It's like all these miscommunications because he's telling people what to do on the fly. It kind of reminds me of that SNL sketch with Peyton Manning with the kids. And he's just dropping back and firing the ball into a kid's back.
Starting point is 00:46:28 Oh my God. That is yelling at him. That is what the current Aaron Rogers jet situation is like right now. Except Devante Adams. He never yells at Devante. ever. That's right. It's brutal. The miscommunications, it just feels like it's impossible to please. He's like running an offense that can't be solved. You know how Aaron Rogers excommunicated Mike Williams? Mike Williams said more touchdowns today than the Jets. Oh my God. That's right. That's number one.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Two, D.K., you text us a stat today that if you just look at the average, basically the Zach Wilson era of the Jets for the last three seasons, Zach Wilson played and the Aaron Rogers through 10 games. the difference between Aaron Rogers and the Zach Wilson era is exactly the same amount of points per game and one more passing yard per game. Aaron Rogers has added one more passing yard per game.
Starting point is 00:47:19 That has been the Aaron Rogers contribution and zero more points per game. I think that sometimes year to year and even week to week, it's hard to put into context the NFL because we're just so myopic about what happened today. You know what I mean? That is like the best piece of context.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Like the Jets' offense under Zach Wilson was completely inept. Like they couldn't complete a pass barely. And this is the same amount of points and yards as that offense. Like that context alone is like mind blowing to me. And I do want to just shout out the Cardinals really quick because the Cardinals played really well. Kyler Murray had 17 straight completions. I mean, honestly, Kyler didn't hit his first pass of the day.
Starting point is 00:47:56 The Jets defense did not. He forced one more in completion the rest of the game. So like firing Robert Salo looks like a joke in retrospect. The Cardinals did what. they wanted on offense today. The Cardinals are playing really well as well. They kind of got me feeling nice a little bit. But like the Cardinals were fantastic, but mostly the Jets are a dumpster fire.
Starting point is 00:48:16 Okay. And either it's over or over sir we're back or I think it's, no, I think it's, I think it's time for, um, fart or shart, which really, I mean, is ford or shard having a moment, somewhat, somewhat ask. This is a special, especially farty or shardy week. I get to ask you fuckers some, a fart or shart this week, okay? Craig. I think Craig should answer. what's that?
Starting point is 00:48:38 I think, yeah, I think Craig should answer. Yeah, Craig. Fartor Shart, Sam Darnold. 24 of 38 for 241 yards, three picks today. He's now thrown, or he had six turnovers of the last three weeks, five touchdowns, five interceptions, and one last fumble. Fartter Shart, Shart, Sam Darnold. Well, I think he had five picks in the first eight weeks,
Starting point is 00:48:59 and he's now had five picks in the last two weeks. And I believe all three of his interceptions today were in the red zone, or maybe even in the end zone, or they in the end zone? The Vikings, wait, you want a crazy Viking stat just to give you an idea of how badly, yeah, they kept going to the, I believe at one point they had run more plays in Jaguars territory than the Jaguars had run in the entire game. And so the Vikings won 12 to 7. Yeah, for the record they won. And if you want a crazy stat from Dante, Dante Coppel was filming, the Vikings won despite scoring no touchdowns and turning the ball over three times, which teams were owe for their previous 192. two times doing that.
Starting point is 00:49:38 No, there's one of these stats every week now. Yeah. But anyway, yeah. I actually agree. Every week there's a team
Starting point is 00:49:44 that was pre, you know, the situation you were, 700 straight games. Yes, right. Oh, well, that's out the window. We're living in a weird world.
Starting point is 00:49:51 I think this is closer to a shart. To be honest. Yeah, like he's turning into a pumpkin. I do believe that a little bit. I mean, I think Kevin, you can only do so much with what you have. And I don't think Donald was just going to become,
Starting point is 00:50:04 you know, whatever version of Brock Purdy that, he was supposed to be on the Vikings. I do think that there is a ceiling on this team because of him. And like Kevin O'Connell, the coach of the Vikings, is an awesome play call on a great coach. And we saw what he's able to do with quarterbacks much worse than Darno, right?
Starting point is 00:50:19 Like Josh Jobs came in last year, look good for a little bit. And then, you know, teams start to figure you out. They adjust. And now there's a bit of a ceiling, I think, on this offense. So, yeah, I mean, I think the Vikings have shifted in general to a team that everybody was so surprised that they might be like a potential one or two seed in the NFC. I think that vibe has shifted. and now they're more of like a really strong defensive team
Starting point is 00:50:39 with an offense that can sometimes be a liability and they look more like a wildcard team. Yeah, I don't think it's totally a coincidence that Sam Donald's declined pretty rapidly ever since their left tackle. Christian Derisaw's been out for the season. I don't think that's totally coincidence. And also, again, I think that would,
Starting point is 00:50:56 I think defenses are forcing Donald to think a little bit more. And I think within, you know, Sam Donald, like all of us, inside Sam Donald, there are two wolves. And one of them is an idiot. And today he said that wolf. Thank God Sam Darnold, the one defense he doesn't have to play as the Vikings defense. Think how bad he would be against the Vikings defense. But he plays them every day in practice, Craig.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Yeah. Maybe they're too good. Maybe they're rattling him. All right. So, yeah, you have a shart for Darnold. Definitely shart for James Houston on the Lions. That's definitely a shart. I actually respect.
Starting point is 00:51:37 kept playing. I actually were they played on a, it was a field turf, wasn't it? It was not grass. Yeah. Yeah. What does that? For a second,
Starting point is 00:51:45 I thought it was a potential, an unfortunately place stain. Right. I don't think so. If you look at it, there's no way that he could have made contact with the ground that would make that kind of mark.
Starting point is 00:51:56 It's just that way it's a pattern. There's like, because you see it all the time, like players get tucked on the logo or whatever and it rubs off. Yeah. The gooch stain is tough to achieve. Yeah, it's pure. Gooch. The other one we have to...
Starting point is 00:52:08 So another fart of shart. Darren Rizzy, the Rizzler. Saints' new interim head coach. Oh, my God, this story. It took us how long to get to this? Uh, okay. So, so the Saints won today. God, there's so much shit talk today. Literally. It's really, a lot of potty humor.
Starting point is 00:52:23 Apex Mountain for shit? Apex Mountains for pooping and our games. I mean, Saints won 20 to 17 over Atlanta, new coach theory. Uh, we're just, we have to just play. Kai, can you just play the audio please of the, how this is the how the press conference for Darren Rizzi began after they won the game. To the beginning. This is how my day started.
Starting point is 00:52:44 I get down here to the stadium. I get down there to Superdome. I go in the head coach's locker room, which I've never used before. So here I am early in the morning. I go to the bathroom and this is how my day started. I clogged the toilet. And I'm like, this is going to be a crappy day, pun intended. You know what?
Starting point is 00:53:00 First off, love the voice. Yeah, I actually do understand the RFK vibes now. Yeah, I get it now. It's there. It's like RFK talking about a bear. I tried to tell you. You're right. You know what's kind of funny about that quote?
Starting point is 00:53:10 He's like, if Kai would have kept playing it a little longer, he got a small laugh initially there. But then when he did the like, so I thought to myself, it's going to be a crappy day, put intended. Nobody laughed, really? And then he kind of kept going and he was like, so that was me, right?
Starting point is 00:53:26 I didn't exactly feel like a head coach after that. And nobody, he like a little bit, he kind of bombed a little bit. And I thought it was an interesting, that was the interesting strategy to be like, I'm going to come out with a little joke. See if it lands. This is a massive overshared, dude.
Starting point is 00:53:41 What are you doing? Yeah. There's something. There's something. Every now and then, you forget that all these guys have only worked around other men and other athletes for their entire life in literal locker rooms. And, like, the idea that you would just share with, like, people you, like, vaguely work with that you clogged the toilet is, like, the most, like, can you imagine just telling go workers in any sense you clogged the toilet today? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Real pick-me energy there kind of. Like, make, like, I want to go viral. How can I go viral? I think it was kind of genuine. Like, so, like, I'm not, like, I don't think he was trying to get attention. I just think he just has no sense. I think he was excited. No common sense.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Like, dude, come on. Yeah, it kind of, it was like puppy dog, like, isn't this funny? I shit my pants. It's a funny hat. Big hat. It's a bigger than a normal hat. I clogged the toilet. I'm a head coach.
Starting point is 00:54:33 Austin texts, no Riz. No, no Riz? Turns out no Riz. I don't know. They won. Maybe this is football. On the field, Riz only. Maybe talking about clogging the toilet as a head coach is like football Riz. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:45 We're not talking about Derek Carr. Like if Harbaugh... Or Casvald is Scantling? I got to say, if Harbaugh did that whole set, people would have ate that up. Oh, yeah. That's true. That's true. That's really true.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Rizzler, baby. Oh, my God. All right. Vardashard. Any other ford of Shards here? D-K, Fartter Schart, running back Javante Williams of the Denver Broncos, had a single carry today for one yard. Javante Williams has been kind of the starting running back for the whole season.
Starting point is 00:55:17 And my boy, Sean Payton, who I can't hate on him because I love him. And I don't know how his mind works. Because I love him. But he did give Javent Williams one carry in their fourth-round rookie, Adrick Estime, basically just played the whole game. And Javentie Williams is irrelevant. So Fart or Schart? Shart.
Starting point is 00:55:34 It feels like it's really jover with this guy. What? Javonte Williams was drafted three coaches ago, and he's a free agent at the end of the year, and I don't think they're going to resign him. I think Sean Payton wants to know whether Roger Esm is good, and I think that it's very, very, very much like, do we really need Giovante Williams back? And the answer is going to be no.
Starting point is 00:55:53 So I don't want to go back in time and shake myself because I had an, I had an off-season take where I was like, I don't want to be held captive to the whims of Sean Payton, whoever he decides to play in any fucking given week. And then I'd walked it back after that for some reason. I was like, yeah, you know, actually, if you look back in history, like Sean Payton's running backs have all finished really highly in fantasy because they pass the running backs a ton, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:56:18 There's always this one-two punch. I just want to go back and shake myself and be like, you know, stick with that take because we are now just prisoner to the whims of Sean Payton, whatever he's feeling any given day. Maybe it'll be that other guy whose name I can't even remember. He got a neck injury or something. He came in and like, Julelea McLaughlin?
Starting point is 00:56:37 No, it was the other one. McLaughlin, too, is or whatever. He's like... Oh, Tyler Beatty? Yeah, Tyler Beatty or Tyler Badee, speaking of shit talk. Oh, my God. What is it going on today? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:56:49 Weird. But anyways, my point is, I don't know what's going on. Sean Baten wants to feature a different person in his offense every single week. And that's just something that we have to live with. You can't question genius. But I do think Ski is probably a starter going for it. Craig, who's got you feeling nice? today. And also, you know, sorry, who's got you feeling icy?
Starting point is 00:57:09 No, that's not the sound. What is? Who? Who? Yeah. Juan Jennings, Joanne Jennings, San Francisco 49ers. Led the team in yards and catches. I like this guy. Clutch, fired up. Plays with a lot of energy. Big, agile, good hands. I think he would be a starter on a lot of teams, man. I like that Joanne Jennings guy. Actually, though, Joanne Jennings is awesome. On the season, he leads the team in targets and yards per game. And he feels like, honestly, him and Kettle are the two most clutch guys on the team.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Juan's just awesome. He's super fired up. He's really, really good. I mean, he is like the most dependable player, I think, on this Niners' offense right now. It is nuts to me that they paid Brandon Ayuk $30 million a year, and now he's out for the year, and Joanne Jennings looks straight up better than Debo. He really does.
Starting point is 00:57:56 And I know Debo's hurt with, like, three different injuries, but Joanne Jennings looks so... Cato and Joanne look like the future of the team, to be honest. They just resigned Joanne, right? They did for like a fraction of the money. Yeah, so he's not going anywhere. Yeah, he works really well with this office.
Starting point is 00:58:12 Impairsal and Kittle totally looked like, I mean, Kittles older, but yeah, Jennings is amazing. Deku's got you feeling nicey. Bezot. Bejan Robinson, Atlanta Falcons. Craig's way better at this. Do you want to just finish it off for me? No, that was pretty good, actually. Yeah, that was good.
Starting point is 00:58:29 That was good. 20 touches, 20 carries, 160 yards, two touchdowns. He's looked awesome for the last few weeks. Five straight games, 100 scrimmage yards each. The number one running back in football. Actually, I didn't check that. Mixed my habit now. 22.4.4.4.
Starting point is 00:58:45 game over the last five weeks. That was good. One more. They come in threes. I don't have one. That was great. Who else we got? No, that was great.
Starting point is 00:58:59 Hyviz. You don't have one? No one making you feel nice. It was the Cardinals. We talked about him earlier. Kyler Murray, the Cardinals offense. I mean, Kyler, I thought. playing fantastic.
Starting point is 00:59:08 James Connor. Honestly, it's James Connor. I, Kyler gets a lot of love. I just want to shout to James Connor, who in the most, like George Kittle,
Starting point is 00:59:14 actually, we were just talking about. James Connor genuinely plays with, like, stronger will than other people. Yeah. Like, his resolve, his soul. He does want it more.
Starting point is 00:59:26 He wants it more. He spiritually is a Detroit Lion. Yeah. He wants to play football. They're going to find a way to get him next year. Yeah. Like,
Starting point is 00:59:34 you know it when you see it. Like, that guy fucking cares more than the other people on the field. James Connor cares more than everyone there. He single-handedly changes the personality of the Cardinals offense. Who, like, Marvin Harrison and Kyler, I guess Trey McBride's pretty tough. But, like, I feel like the way Kyler plays makes you think of, like, kind of like a softer style. And James Connor completely masks all of that because he's such a badass.
Starting point is 00:59:58 There's only like, I don't even know, you can count them on one hand, the number of players you can say that about. James Connor's one of them. I would say that about George Kittle as well, where it's like he just clearly cares more about this sport than the other people try to tackle them. I love James Connor. He's awesome. On that note, though, because I feel like I'm talking the Niners now, I just wanted an intrusive thought I had today.
Starting point is 01:00:19 So did you guys see the video of Debo Samuel? So the Jake, the 49ers kicker today missed three kicks. Jake Moody missed three kicks. The Niners ended up winning anyway. The Niners beat. He did hit the game winner. He did hit the game winner. And it was windy, too.
Starting point is 01:00:33 But the Niners beat the Buckiners, 23 to 20. But Jake Moody missed three kicks. He's come back from injury. Did you see Debo Samuel shoving by the, like, the long snapper by the throat? And then kind of hitting Jake Moody in the face. He had a helmet up. But he hit Jake Moody kind of in the face on the way back. And he shoved him in the long snapper in the throat after the third miss kick.
Starting point is 01:00:52 And I was just kind of like, you know, that's basically what Urban Meyer did. Like, Urban Meyer went up and just kicked the kicker. The assault charges. Yeah. Make your kicks dips shit. He didn't shove the kicker by the throat. We're just going to let this go because we like. like Debo, it's kind of fucked up.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we are. The vibes continue to not be good in San Francisco, even when they win. You know, it's like, it's like Shannon and Purdy or beefing. Things are still not great. Dude, Shannon keeps calling out Purdy. It's great. I think Shannon subconsciously, Shannon subconsciously blames Purdue for the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:01:25 I swear to God. It's like leaking out of Shanahan's pores that like all these weird things with Purdy. It's really strange. Isn't the same with Jimmy G? If Jimmy G hits Emmanuel Sanders, they win that Super Bowl? it's like always the quarterback. I think it's so funny how Shanahan talks about the quarterbacks, whoever it is,
Starting point is 01:01:41 because it's always been, it's almost like, you know, and we've always said this, like the quarterback is an extension of Shanahan. It's like an avatar of Shanahan. And when he like is talking to any of the reporters or whatever, he's like,
Starting point is 01:01:52 yeah, we missed two throws on that drive or whatever in that, in first half. He's like, that's like how I talk to my five-year-old son. I'm like, we don't, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:00 we don't pee all over the wall or whatever. We don't, when we're done taking a poop, we wipe our butt or whatever. Like, you soften it by saying we instead of just saying, yeah, Brock Pretty fucking missed two throws. Right, yeah. We missed a couple throws. We missed a throw in the football.
Starting point is 01:02:16 We all know what you're talking about. I just think it's really funny. It's like the Michael, dude, the Michael Cheech, before he's at us at L. Michael Che had this joke of like, I'm watching the news. We owe China $11 trillion. And I'm like, we. I don't know China shit. We owe Sprint $90?
Starting point is 01:02:35 Yeah. Oh my God. It's a good, it's just like, I like that quirk about coaching. Yeah, we missed through two throws. I'm just saying, the Niners, man, they're like, they almost fell to 500 today. They won. They're like the worst vibes ever. They're shoving the freaking long snapper by the throat.
Starting point is 01:02:49 And Shannon's coming for like, party. And they're like, six and four. They seem miserable. Any, what other truce of thoughts do you guys have today? Craig? I was thinking about George Pickens today. And I got to say, I think George Pickens is underrated. And I know that might.
Starting point is 01:03:05 sound crazy because he's he's like becoming quite famous because of his like screwball antics on the field. But I think it's really overshadowing like how good he is. He's really, I mean, he's like a WWE character out there. I mean, if you search his name on Twitter, his like jump stiff arm, which I've never seen before or his like suplex of that defender. It's like he hit the wrong button. Yeah. He's doing that all the time. All those things will come up before his unbelievable touchdown in the end zone, which like every week he genuinely does something that very few wide receivers can do in the NFL. He has the coolest catch I've ever seen every week, every week. And everyone's like, look at George Pickens. He like jumped, he like, you know, did the, what's the elbow thing?
Starting point is 01:03:48 The elbow is flying elbow. Yeah, he did a fly elbow every week. And it's like, George Pickens does like three incredible things on the football field catching the ball every week. And it gets overshadowed by how insane he is. Pickens does not believe in de-escalation. If anyone comes near him to do anything, he's like, it's odd. Dude, George Pickens is kind of like an AI that was trained only on Antonio Brown toe tap catches. And that video of Antonio Brown, like, kicking the buntar in the face. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:04:18 And it's like, that's the only things George Pickens ever learned about football or like those things. And that's all he does on the field. I'm just like, I think he's so good. He's like, he's like the only dynamic player on the Steelers offense. And he like delivers every single week. Everyone knows the ball's going to him. And yet he catches it every week. You're right.
Starting point is 01:04:35 You're right that he's, no one's, I don't, underrated's weird. I would actually argue George Pickens is exactly properly rated. I don't know. Everyone knows he's a really, he's as talented as anyone as catching the football.
Starting point is 01:04:48 I mean, I don't know. No one to say he's like one of the best receivers in the NFL. No, but that's not what I said. I said he's a nine or 10 out of 10 at like catching the football. And also, he will fight anyone at any time.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Like, that's his reputation. I kind of think that's exactly who he is. Wilson threw a pick, right? I can't remember. Yeah, he did. He threw a pick and then the guy that was, there was like two defenders around him. He went after him.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Yeah, pickings just turned around and like took out the other defender. It was like bizarre. He didn't care about where the ball was caught. He lightly tapped the guy. He lightly tapped the guy, and I think he did tackle him by accident, but I don't think he knew. that. He turns into like happy Gilmore.
Starting point is 01:05:34 Yeah, he does. The first guy that take off my skate and stab a guy. He's like, he's like every... He's an innovator. Don't you ever touch my buck! Look, whatever we got to do, I know, we got to keep George Pickens away from a celebrity golf tournament. That's my buck! Just like smashing him up against the glass.
Starting point is 01:05:53 Keep him away from Drew Carey. Don't you ever touch my buck? Don't you ever touch my puck? I don't know, but I'm just like, I think George Biggins is probably a top 10 receiver in the league, and I don't think anyone would say that. He's so good, yeah. He's a top 10 catcher of the football.
Starting point is 01:06:13 I think that to be a top 10 receiver in the NFL, I have to know that, like, literally if there's an active interception return happening right now, that you're not going to just try to kick the shit out of someone behind the play for fun. I would argue that as a wide receiver, Pickens is more responsible. Like, his war is higher than almost any other wide receiver in the league.
Starting point is 01:06:34 He is directly responsible for more wins for the Steelers than most receivers for their team. Fair, but also he's like the least responsible player ever seen. He's not responsible for points. Not responsible in any other way. He's like the least responsible person I've ever seen. He's the bad. You know what if I was, there's this like random clip on the New Heights show of like Jason Kelsey's wife is on with like Travis and Jason? And she's, and Travis is like, will you let me, baby?
Starting point is 01:07:04 Am I responsible enough to babysit? Jason Kelsey or Kylie Kelsey's like Literally never. Yeah. DK., do you have any intrusive thoughts today? My intrusive thought was just like, who is this Steelers special teams coach that I've never heard of before this year?
Starting point is 01:07:22 Yeah, you're right about that. Danny Smith. He's been there for over a decade. I know that he has, but I'm just like, I've never seen this person before. He reminds me of Craig. Is there a act? There's a cop in the dark night that looks like him.
Starting point is 01:07:34 This older, silver-haired kind of pudgy guy. He's a cop in the dark night he reminds me of. Doesn't matter. But yeah, I don't know why he's so famous, though. Because they keep doing cool plays on special teams. I don't know. He gets really excited. Play of the day, I mean, it was the Chiefs blocking the kick.
Starting point is 01:07:53 I mean, that was unbelievable. That was like crazy. Baker Mayfield stiff-arming Nick Bosa to complete a fourth and seven. I think that was cool. That was sick. Yeah. I've never seen that. He stiff-armed him for like 10 yards.
Starting point is 01:08:03 Yeah. It was a long time. It was a long stiff art. It was really like extended. And it was on fourth and seven and he got it. Like it was, I don't know. I've never seen anything like that. Also,
Starting point is 01:08:14 Pickens catch. Picking's touchdown catch was yeah. Freaking crazy. And Trey McBride, the rumble breaking a tackle from sauce gardener into like hurdling a different guy. Every week. Every week. I love McBride.
Starting point is 01:08:25 I think Trey McBride is actually the best tight end of the week. Yeah. Right now it's honestly him or Kittle. Kittle. I think Kittle has to be it. But McBride is... Kniping out of his heels. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:37 Worst play of the day was, it has to be the defensive tackle for Washington jumping offside to literally make sure Jane Daniels did not get the ball with a minute left in the game. Down two. That was tough. What about runner up?
Starting point is 01:08:49 The Texans offensive linemen stripping his own quarterback. That was pretty bad. What the fuck was that? Give me the ball. I'm going to go. What was his plan? They were like 20 yards behind.
Starting point is 01:08:58 Is that even... I'm going to tell you, I know this is my job, but I'm supposed to know the rules. I've never been clear on what the rules are and when linemen can advance the football. They can't advance it on a fumble.
Starting point is 01:09:10 Is that a fumble? It's like he steals the ball? No, you can't hand the... I'm just saying, is he allowed to even do that? He was just like, give me, give me. Like, I don't know. I don't think he was thinking about that. It was all instincts. Because the part of me is like they should do that
Starting point is 01:09:26 more. But that was a terrible idea. This one was not nearly as consequential, but it could have been. Alan Camara dropped, like, what would have been, like, a 50-yard touchdown really late in the game. It would have been better for my fantasy day, and it also would have been better for the Saints. But they ended up winning anyway, so it didn't really matter. But that was pretty rough.
Starting point is 01:09:47 Yeah, he never does stuff like that. That's very uncamara-like. Arthur Smith Award for the coach that pissed you off. I actually have to go to college football for a moment and shout out the Utah athletic director. Because Utah lost, and the athletic director, went down. Sam Farnsworth tweeted this out, quote, I've been in sports journalism for 22 years now in one form another.
Starting point is 01:10:08 I've never seen an athletic director come to the podium for a press conference after a game, win or lose in my entire career and talk to the media. And Mark Harlan, the athletic director for Utah, came and had a message and wanted to make sure the Big 12 heard it. And this guy literally came down and said, quote, this game was absolutely stolen
Starting point is 01:10:24 from us. We were excited about being in the Big 12, but tonight I am not. Wow. I didn't see that. And I've got to tell you, it was pathetic. I thought it was the most loser shit I've ever heard. Utah's like five and four. The call he was complaining about was fine. I don't know. Worst games are refereed every single week. I thought it was like the most loser energy I've ever seen from a person in sport. Like I couldn't believe, like, because I saw his press conference
Starting point is 01:10:52 first, then I went back and watched some of the game and like, like, what was like, what could have, I don't know. I thought it was pathetic. Yeah, that's a tough look. In general, like, people coming on to complained about flags after the game. It's just really lame. But it's like a general man. Imagine if the general manager inserted himself to the head coach's press conference and was like, I'm upset we join this league. Like, dude,
Starting point is 01:11:13 get out of here. Take my ball and going home. Like, it's anyway. Craig, what about you? Any other coaches who pissed you off? I know this is my hobby horse, but I, the Colts, we're playing Jonathan Taylor down 17 with two minutes left. They,
Starting point is 01:11:28 this is a guy who said like major ankle injuries the last two years. This season, he just missed three weeks. Yeah, he just, like a second game back. They threw him three straight passes on that drive. I don't understand it. Do you know what I think the real answer is? And I mean this, and I don't say this lightly,
Starting point is 01:11:46 and I'm not saying I agree with this. But what I actually think the answer is, I think Shane Stike and the head coach is not thinking about it. And I think any assistant coach who would bring it up doesn't want to be branded a bitch for thinking like, What if we gets hurt? A lot of teams sit there
Starting point is 01:12:03 star players when they're in blowouts. I'm teetering. I'm teetering on shy stike and being fraud watch, to be honest. Everything is going on with a cult I understand that you have to be a little fearless and you want guys to get reps. But Jonathan Taylor literally just missed like almost a month. And they like marched down and threw a touchdown
Starting point is 01:12:22 with like four seconds left. It's just like dumb. Worship. Yeah. It was like the ultimate coverage time. They caught a touchdown with like one second left. Yeah, I'm going to lose I'm going to lose one league because they did that.
Starting point is 01:12:33 Worst referee moment, D.K., who's your worst, least favorite referee moment today? I want to get your guys' take on this. The refs in the very end of that Washington Steelers game. Great call. Loved it. Okay, you know where I'm going with this. Called the guy down on fourth down,
Starting point is 01:12:50 like a yard short of the yards to go or whatever. And they reviewed it. And it was pretty clear he had gotten a first down and then they'd like reviewed it and said, that it was like the call on the field stood and everyone was like, what the fuck? I thought that was weird. I don't know if it was clear he got the first down.
Starting point is 01:13:06 I thought it was very close. I'm kind of okay with the call leaving it because I think that like, he probably, Zach Kurtz probably got the first down. I won't lie. But it was kind of like a process of elimination. You never saw the ball.
Starting point is 01:13:18 You kind of had to assume. And if I think I've gotten one thing right in my entire career about football, it's that referees, the rule of instant replay, because what is the definition of clear and obvious? The definition should be if you have to watch an angle more than three times, it's not clear or obvious. And I had to watch that.
Starting point is 01:13:35 Like, if you watch the Zach Kurtz one, you need to watch it like a few times. And I don't know. So you didn't think it was that egregious. We can't just apply this microscopic thing to every play and everything. It's much more for like the, what was the one they called the catch and it turned out bounced right into like Malik neighbor's hands or something. I don't know. It's for that.
Starting point is 01:13:54 That's fair. Did you guys a great call? Yeah. Were you guys awake this morning When Sean Hockely announced a false start in German During the Giants Panthers game? No, but that was what I had noted How do you think he did?
Starting point is 01:14:10 How was his German? Yeah, if we have German speaking listeners. Oh, if anyone, yeah, if anyone emails, If you were at this game, let us know what the game was like If you're in Germany and also let us know Sean Hockely's Germany was. Please email us at ring of fantasy. How is your name?
Starting point is 01:14:23 It's one of the morning here. I'm actually less interested in how his German was I'm more interested in if it annoyed you or not. You know how like sometimes if you're with like a parent and you're at a Mexican restaurant and they'll say like, gracios to the waiter and you're like, you don't have to do that.
Starting point is 01:14:39 You know? That's like, that's like, this is about you, not Spanish. You're making this about you, not him. You don't need to do that. Also, I found out that his father, Ed Hawkeley did this in Mexico in 2005. Oh, right.
Starting point is 01:14:53 He... In German? Yeah, in German. Oh, wow. Craig? In Spanish. I've thought about this for 10 hours and I realized
Starting point is 01:15:01 it really bothered me and annoyed me. I thought about it for 10 hours. Okay. But what do you do? Think about the Giants. I thought, and here's where I'm at.
Starting point is 01:15:08 I actually think it was charming for anybody else to do this because it was Sean Hockily. It really bothered me. And you know why? It's because what you just said his dad did it in Mexico and now Sean Hockhiely's energy
Starting point is 01:15:18 is like a local town sheriff who thinks he's better than everybody and he walks around with like his hands on his belt buckle. And the only reason he's sheriff is that his dad was the sheriff before him. And then his dad got him
Starting point is 01:15:30 his sheriff job. And that's like Sean Hockily's energy. Nepo ref. Neppo ref. All the time. What did he say in German? Like, was it a long call?
Starting point is 01:15:40 Or was it just like literally one or two words? It was a decent amount of German. False start, five yards, number, whatever. It was a decent amount of German. It wasn't like three words. It was like a long sentence.
Starting point is 01:15:50 Do you think he's like on the plane practicing this? He's certainly doing it in the mirror. He was probably thinking about that in the whole game. Did he do the whole? JFK thing where he said like the, I don't, I'm not even going to repeat it. Oh, whatever.
Starting point is 01:16:03 Berliner, Jammer Jelly Donut. D.K., I will say, the number one thing you've changed my mind on during the course of this podcast is I, I still give a lot more credit to referees as a concept than you, but you changed my mind where I think that you understood much better than me that referees are practicing the stuff in the mirror and very excited to be on national television and think they're a big deal. We don't want referees to be showmen. We don't, we want them to be Milford men. seating or heard.
Starting point is 01:16:29 A lot more. Yeah. This was like classic. I don't want to hear from you, man. So shut up and whistle. Shut up and whistle. Zach, shut up and whistle. All right.
Starting point is 01:16:41 Oh my God. All right. Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line. I want to respond to it. I just have to, I mean, I would like to just shout out that every Florida football team has lost in college in the NFL. This is from Tim Reynolds. This has never happened. every Florida team's 0 and 11.
Starting point is 01:16:59 Wow. In college football, Florida, Miami, FSU, U.S.S.U., UCF, and FAUAU all lost. Oh, this weekend? Yes, in Division 1. In the FCS, Florida Atlantic, FAMU, Bethune, N. Statson all lost. And the NFL, the Jax and Bucks lost. So if the Dolphins lose tomorrow, the state of Florida will be 0 and 12 this week for the first time ever
Starting point is 01:17:20 at every level college football and the NFL. Wow, that's pretty fun. Mine was that. It's pretty fun. Craig's like, great. I like it. Good pull. Yeah, that felt like another, like, the last team to do that are, like,
Starting point is 01:17:37 teams have been a lot of $2,750. One now. Mine is that Cooper Rush's 45 passing yards are the fewest in a game with 20 plus attempts since 2015 when Peyton Manning had 35 passing yards against the Chiefs, and they won the Super Bowl that year. That was when his arm didn't work. Yeah, they won a Super Bowl. Someone who literally had a spinal injury
Starting point is 01:17:58 That's the last time Oh my God All right DK I just thought it was weird To see MVS have three catches For 100 at 9 yards It was weird
Starting point is 01:18:11 And two touchdowns And when I was going back Like later in the day I was like MVS Wait what team is he on again How many teams have been on this year? Three I was like because I couldn't remember
Starting point is 01:18:21 I literally like couldn't place it for a second But yeah it was obviously the Saints Everywhere he goes man, he just makes a difference in one way or another. You know, and Derek Carr, it's funny. Every once in a while, Derek Carr throws, like, the most beautiful deep ball you've ever seen in your life. Derek Carr, I actually love it when Derek,
Starting point is 01:18:39 you know something good is going to happen when Derek Carr takes like six steps to, like, make a throw out. Did you notice how, like, in the two deep balls they threw to MBS today, he literally had to get like a running start to throw the ball. And I was like, something good's about to happen when he starts, when he starts doing that run, that's when I start paying attention. He gears up. he does his little crow hop
Starting point is 01:18:57 and then it's a fucking dime. I also want to shut out Velda Skatling because there's a chance we'd literally never talk about him on the show ever again. Do you remember the overtime of the Super Bowl when on the fourth downers
Starting point is 01:19:07 or third down? Mahomes had like a, they ran on like third and four and Mahomes picked it up on like a power sweep. Just pretend if you don't. It's fine. But anyway, he ran
Starting point is 01:19:16 and overtime and it was like huge and that was the drive they ended up scoring the touchdown. Marquez Valda Scantling suggested that play in the moment. Valde Scantling called the Mahomes run.
Starting point is 01:19:26 and Mahomes and Andy Reid were like, yeah, that'll work. And they like won the Super Bowl three plays later. So Valda Scatlin called that play. A receiver saying a quarterback should run the ball on third down. He's like, I don't know why you're telling you this, but I like it. Yeah. They're like, I don't know why you're over here, but he's like, let's do it. Anyway, yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:43 Shout up, yeah. All right, two tight ends who outscored Jalen Waddle and a lie. Monday night football for Jalen Waddle. So we'll see if he can save Craig's for all the marbles. All right. Burn book. Do you guys have any players you want to put in the burn book?
Starting point is 01:19:58 I would like to nominate C.J. Stroud. Strowd. Because C.J. Strad hasn't had more than 12 fantasy points in a fucking month. And he's the QB 22 on the season. And he has two touchdowns in the last four games. And he's killing people. But people, I mean me.
Starting point is 01:20:16 Do you think it's all his fault, though? Are you, like, blaming him? Or you just like, I'm sick of it. Because I feel like the Texans' whole offense is just run, run, third and 10, CJ, figure something out. That's fair, but like we burn Patrick Mahomes. You know what I mean? I, yeah, no, I don't think that whether it's his fault is relevant, to be honest.
Starting point is 01:20:38 But I will say, the Texans, the numbers match the eye test because they're like 28th in EPA per play running on the first two downs and then they're like eighth and APA per play and throwing on third, even though every freaking, like tonight, it's like everything is like third and 10, third and 10, third and 10, third and 10 all night for CJ Strax. First two, third 10, 13. He was making bonehead throws. Like, that Tank Dell interception was unforgivable. He was wide open for three minutes.
Starting point is 01:21:03 And the crowd was yelling throw the ball. That was really bad. A couple other suggestions. Cole. Cole. Cole. Says DJ Moore's last five weeks, and he just has a thing. And it's DJ Moore getting and going backward in time.
Starting point is 01:21:17 24 yards, 33 yards, 27 yards, 20 yards. Wow. D. Because Valde is a really good one. Valda Skatling today had more yards than DJ Morris had in the last like six weeks combined. Yeah. I think that's a really good one. That's a good one.
Starting point is 01:21:36 He was wearing a hooded sweatshirt for some reason today under his pads. I'm surprised more players don't do that. But maybe that's why he's playing terribly. It could be negative 12 degrees out and I would not go jogging in sweats. I've never understood the working out in the sweats thing. It sounds terrible to me. I will always wear shorts. I know we're talking about a sweatshirt.
Starting point is 01:21:59 But I'm just saying like guys who play basketball in long sleeves. I've never understood that. I don't mind the long sleeves if it's like dry fit. But I agree that like sweatpants, I know that despite the name, like working out in sweatpants is very offputting. We have new technology now. You don't need to be wearing sweatpants. Like Pickens wears sleeves sometimes. I just don't get that at all.
Starting point is 01:22:20 He's very like John Wooden to like, you know, it's like something about the 50s, Hoosiers in a gym. Yeah, remember Silver Lanings playbook? Bradley Cooper's character would go jogging in like the sweatsuit with the garbage bag. That just sounds like the worst thing in the world. I know you sweat more, but like I'd rather run. Yeah, it's like the wrestling team would do that. And that the whole point was like torture. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:39 Yeah. All right, so we're doing DJ Moore or CJ Strapped. I think more. I think more because, yeah, yeah. I agree. Also, his vibes are just out of control bad. Yeah. Lastly, before we get out of here, we have to just acknowledge that the Charlotte's Hornets announcer, who were obsessed with, had this call tonight.
Starting point is 01:22:57 Eric Collins, the greatest announcer in the game. Lamello for the Hornets, hit a three tonight, and hit it, Kai. Lamella! With the guts of a cat. What does that mean? What is that mean? I love this guy. I think he's my favorite person of the world.
Starting point is 01:23:24 Is it a phrase? What the gut? of a cat bearer. I had to Google it to see if that was a phrase. It did come up. No, it did not come up. He just said that. He's the best.
Starting point is 01:23:37 Also, wait, Gus off the dome. That's incredible. But even just, like, ah! Can I play one more time, please? He screams. La Bella! I shoot my head on my shelf. He is the only announcer who, like, actually screams at 100%.
Starting point is 01:23:59 Maybe Gus Johnson. For clarification. Was that just like the end of the first quarter? No, no, that was a game time three. Okay. It was like eight seconds time. Just like beating the shot clock. He's also the announcing for Maryland football when they were like,
Starting point is 01:24:16 oh my God. Contostrophe! Disaster! What a terrible decision! With the guts of a cat burglar! Dude, we have to... That reminds me when Biden said he has the morals of an alley cat. What does that fucking mean?
Starting point is 01:24:33 that makes more sense he got the guts of a cat burglars do they even have guts their whole thing is they can't get caught oh my god with the guts of a cat burglar do you think he had that ready like he was like if something big happens
Starting point is 01:24:49 that's my phrase or did that just come he just blacks out he's got a laminated card blacks back in it reminds you like James Hardin said that once are you planning a move he's like dude I don't remember anything I've ever done he's just like he's just doing it
Starting point is 01:25:00 cat burglars come through the second left floor right They could I think they just come in silently and leave silently I think that's the main I thought it was they like they climb up the wall and they enter through this
Starting point is 01:25:12 second level That implies you couldn't Cat burgle a ranch house Right Yeah Which I don't think that That sounds ridiculous to be I thought it was good
Starting point is 01:25:21 Okay Yeah that's a good question Craig Now I'm wondering Maybe it's just a quiet burglar But aren't all burglars It just means they're like really flexible Is it posed all the loud burglars? Yeah, like what's that?
Starting point is 01:25:35 I feel like a loud burglar has to have more guts. I thought it was like a cat. Cats are always like weird. They're definitely no one I'm here. Up on the top of the door, you know? It's like a cat. A loud burglary is called a robbery. Craig, I think you're right.
Starting point is 01:25:45 Austin just sent the definition of thief who enters a building by climbing to an upper story. No way. So you can't burgle a rancho. One story home. No, you can burgle. You can't cat burgle. You can't cat burgle.
Starting point is 01:26:00 You can't cat burgle it. Well, you could burgle it, but just not. Yeah, yeah. I learned that burgle was a verb in college because somebody made a short film called burgle. And I was like, is that an actual word? Burgl. You can, you burgle a house? It doesn't, like, if you've, and I'm, you know, it's happened to me and I'm sorry if it's ever happened anyone, but like, it's why you get simply safe.
Starting point is 01:26:20 But if you've ever, like, been burgled. I don't even know if there's a sponsor anymore. And then you have to, like, use it on the phone with your insurance, coming to the police. And you're like, I was robbed and they're like, actually, you were burgled. it's really demeaning. Yeah. Be like you weren't actually robbed. Wait, what robbery is like...
Starting point is 01:26:37 Robbery's active. Robbery's like... Like they're taking it off your person. Yes. Like if you're there and they're there and they're like, give me your shit. That's robbery. But if you come home and someone was in your place and they took your shit and you're like, I got robbed and the cops are like, you were burgled. You're like, oh.
Starting point is 01:26:53 And it's like that's an unsirious word. The guts of a cat burglar! I was burgled. I was actually Golf and Stroud all night I was gonna say they actually did burgle me And Jaylen Wattle will burgle me tomorrow night Burgle
Starting point is 01:27:12 All right thank you DK Thank you Craig Thank you Kai and Carlos for producing this episode Thank you awesome Thank you everyone for help on the scenes Thank you everyone email us We're in fantasy football at gmail.com Our German listeners emails for Sean Hockey's German
Starting point is 01:27:26 A Review and email us about If you went to this game Yeah like how was his accent Was it annoying that he tried? Or did you find that, you know, cute? Charming? Charming? Or off-putting? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:37 And was there anything else? I bet a lot of Europeans just think Americans are super charming. Yeah. Also, well, also, if you want the one-second song playlist. We're so charming. Email so ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you want the one-second song playlist, we have a song, is that one-20 songs that you can
Starting point is 01:27:55 recognize in one second. Oh, wow. And yeah, we have a ton. It's really fun. It's a great drinking game. You give a drink. if you get the song, give a drink,
Starting point is 01:28:02 you get the band, take a drink if you get those wrong. It's really fun. Emails or your infancy football at Gmail.com. Thank you, Lord. Lauren. Thank you,
Starting point is 01:28:10 House of Pain. Nice. This is what Craig is living in right now. Also on the playlist. Oh, is it? Jump around? The intro.
Starting point is 01:28:19 Yeah, it is pretty iconic. It's a sample, in fact. Oh, is it? The Jump Around? Like the hook or whatever. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:26 Wow. I don't know that. Do you know what they're sampling? I don't think I know any other House of Pain songs. I don't know if there are any. They made one. It's just one. They're like, yeah, we're good now.
Starting point is 01:28:38 Yeah, it's like Chubbaumba. They're like, we just tub thumping, that's it. We got together to make one song and one song only. Pissing the night away. Yeah, man. Speaking of things that don't translate directly to American. Back in the day, I used to know the lyrics of jump around. That song is in Happy Gilmore to bring it back full circle.
Starting point is 01:28:59 Oh, yeah, it is. Great soundtrack in that movie, actually. When is it in Happy Gilmore? It's when he's like, it's a montage of him starting to get better. Oh, which one happy, it's when he like, he rides the pony of the caddy. Yes. Will Zalotaurus. Oh, good.
Starting point is 01:29:24 How do we feel like, baby? Don't you ever touch my puck? Don't you ever touch my buck? We need to make the video of George Pickens beating the shit out of Bob Barker. Oh, yeah. Seriously, that we have to keep George Pickens away from Drew Carey. I'm not sure what they are. The Drew Carey's going to kick the shit out of George Pickens.
Starting point is 01:29:41 Yeah, Barker had good size. I didn't realize that until I watched the movie. He did a good left hook. Yeah. Now you've had enough. I want the whole thing. The bitch at the end was the best. He had enough, bitch.
Starting point is 01:29:55 And he's like shadowboxing. I actually think. Because they're making the sequel. Maybe I'm just like wish casting this. But I think Drew Carey might be in Happy Gilmore 2. I think they might be doing something with that. That would make sense. Are we excited for Happy Gilmore 2?
Starting point is 01:30:12 Did we think it to Happy Gilmore 2 is going to be good? No. Definitely not. No. But I'll watch it. I will watch it too. It'll be like typical Netflix, you know. Drek.
Starting point is 01:30:24 Yeah. Drek. Yeah. I mean, it's like everybody, Travis Kelsey's in it. there's going to be like a bunch of sled cameos. It'll be like cool to see people come back and everything. Wait, the Happy Lookouta girl is in it again, right? Julie Bowen, I would imagine.
Starting point is 01:30:37 Happy Lookaara. Everyone who's seen the movie knows exactly what I'm talking about. But it said, I don't know if they filmed it before Carl Weather sadly passed away. Oh, no. Yeah. So Shooter McGavin, that actor has had been waiting for this his entire life. He's got nothing going on except Lake Beach. Christopher McDonald is a character in Hacks.
Starting point is 01:31:00 His whole thing is just being shooter be Gavin, dude. Hax just won the Emmy for Best Comedy, and he's like a legit character in it. Okay, but his whole thing is just being shooter. Did you know he was in Hacks? No. Okay. No, I did not.
Starting point is 01:31:16 Yeah. I feel like, yeah, he has a little bit of Kevin from the office energy where he's like, I'm just going to lean into it. Exactly, yeah, yeah. Could be worse, let's be honest. Yeah, no, I get it. Yeah, he's like the fifth or sixth biggest character and the best comedy of the show of the year.
Starting point is 01:31:31 Not bad for Shooter. God bless. Shooter. I'll be at Red Lobster. Catch out the sizzler. Catch some grump? Oh, God. Maybe another time.
Starting point is 01:31:48 Shooter? I thought we were going to be friends. Who's that guy? What's that guy's name? I like that guy. That is a good like that guy award. Shooter? I'm sure he's like somebody that Bill would immediately know.
Starting point is 01:32:04 Are you looking this up? Yeah, I want to find him before we go. I need to find him. Joe Flaherty. Oh, yeah, yeah. He looks like that. Yeah, good for him. Was he in Hacks?
Starting point is 01:32:21 I don't think so. He died. Oh, he also died this year. He's 82 years old? Well, he was. Well, right. Yeah, dang. He died April 1st, 2024.
Starting point is 01:32:31 Joe Flaherty, a legend. What a great performance. Well, on that note, Jesus. What? We're honoring him. Yeah, that's true. He was awesome in that movie. Goodbye, everyone, but especially Joe Flaherty. Yeah. Shoot her? Go to Sizzler, catch some grub.
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