The Ringer NFL Show - Week 11 Awards

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

We recap the Week 11 slate by giving out awards, including Winner of the Week, The Tom Hanks Award for Biggest Re-Emergence, We Are Mad And Disappointed, and more. Later we induct the next player into the 2021 Fantasy Burn Book and recap our day of prop bets. Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everybody, this is Warren Sharp, NFL analyst over at Sharp Football Analysis. I want to welcome you to The Ringer Gambling Show. Join me on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays each week during the NFL season with guests Chris Vernon, Ben Solac, and Joe House to guide you through the NFL betting landscape. We'll be talking spreads, game totals, parlays, player props, futures, and much, much more. Be sure to follow the Ringer Gambling Show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitz.

I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Whirlbeck. And Week 11 is just about done, except for the whole, you know, Bucks Giants. Don't worry about that. I'm on my name of football. Otherwise, week 11 is done. Jonathan Taylor has destroyed everyone, everything in his path.

He's good. Nice. Jonathan Taylor become death. That's what you come here for for that kind of analysis. I was debating calling him Oppenheimer. And I was like, that's kind of like a downer. Yeah, it was a bit of a downer.

But I get it. I was thinking this, though, after Jonathan Taylor put up this five touchdown performance, which how many points did he end up scoring in fantasy? Do we get that number? 53.4 in PPR. 53.4 in PPR. Pretty damn good. I think after this game, and if you match it with Derek Henry's foot injury,

which never bodes well with running backs, especially with his, you know, amount of carries on his belt, is Jonathan Taylor now, and with Christian McCaffrey's injuries, is Jonathan Taylor the number one overall pick next year? As long as he finishes, you know, as long as he finishes, you know, as a top guy, I think it's absolutely because at this point where... I think this is... I mean, he's already...

He's been having an incredible season. He's got 13 touchdowns this year, but I think this has vaulted him into that now, like, top one, top two conversation. Because in PPR, it's... McCaffrey's still probably more likely to get a big game on a game to game basis

just because people are just so sick of him now because he's always heard. The injuries are just... Yeah, I completely agree. Like, the injuries now will just follow McCaffrey forever. So, like... No, I think Taylor is... Let's just go through the game today for a second

because this was absolutely nuts. So, I mean, he's the winner of the day. Give him every award we do in the show. He's the winner. He's the player I wish ahead. He's the MVP. He's, if you can think of an award, he gets the award. He, so 53 points.

It's one of the four best performances from a running back in the last decade. He gets the mom award for I'm really proud of you, sweetie. Yeah, exactly. Really. He gets, yes, yes, he does. So he's just the 20th running back to crack 50 PPR points in the last 50 years. I never know how to do family. history because it's like,

how many people were really doing fantasy in the 80s? I don't know. But anyway, only... Bill. Just Bill and his... Holy Cross League. But like, 20 people in 50 years have done that. And it's one of the top 13 PPR games ever.

So it's like slots in right around 12 or 13. And I remember this... I realized that this was nuts when I wrote down. He had four touchdowns. And I was like, oh, it's an A blink and get it? Like four score and seven years. And then he had a fifth touchdown. And I was like, holy shit.

this is one of the, this is, if the Alvin Camara game was like this giant earthquake, this was like the needle came just close to it. Camara had six, right? Yeah, and it was also in the fantasy championship. I was having flashbacks. On Christmas Day.

Yeah. I faced him in the championship. It ruined everybody. Yeah, it was the worst. Anyway, I just want to throw out some stats here. So, Jonathan Taylor had five touchdowns today. There's a thousand stats from this, but some ones I liked.

Dalvin Cook didn't have five touchdowns this season entering today. Clyde Edwards Elair did not have five touchdowns in his career entering today. What? That doesn't seem right. I believe you,

but that just is crazy. Well, now I'm freaked out. Now I'm going to go check it again to make sure. No, I think that's right. He didn't score many touchdowns last year, right? I think that was part of the reason. Because, yeah, because he kept getting stuffed at the one yard guy. Super inefficient.

I'm confirming because you scared to never let him do it. And that is in fact, right? Here he had five exactly. I don't mean. Oh, no, sorry. He didn't have five rushing. No. I'm wrong. I'm right.

You're all right. He didn't have five rushing touchdowns in his career before today. Yes. Wow. You're like Ron Burger digger. Like, I'm sorry. I was just trying to impress you. Well, Jonathan Taylor impressed.

So with that said, first of all, I had a bunch of people tweet at me like all their lineups of like Echler versus Jonathan Taylor. Because there's just people who had Echler and Taylor, which is kind of like, I've never seen people triple up an opponent in fantasy, which I saw a lot of today. but the other one was like, it was like this like King Kong Godzilla fight of like Austin Echler and Jonathan Taylor today which was also ridiculous.

Yeah. Yeah, so if you want to pivot on to Echler here as another winner on the day, I mean, him and Taylor are by far the two winners. Echler had four touchdowns today, 41 fantasy points in PPR. It was just amazing. Two on the ground, two in the air.

And there's another guy who honestly, it's probably a top five pick next year because of the Chargers offense now and Echler's still young and everything he does. He's another one who's kind of this under the radar guy who probably should be a top five pick next year. The real winner is just whoever had the, like, the last pick of the first round and got John McLeod at the turn.

Yeah, the one to turn is like fantasy gold for this week, especially. I mean, for the season generally, but like, man, you could have gotten Taylor Echler right there. Do we want to, do we want to sit and just briefly go over the, the Steelers Chargers game? Well, let. Do you, Craig? I was going to say, I, so honestly, I don't care. This is important. well do we want to finish this Taylor conversation because it's a very emotional moment for Craig right now

let's just do the emotional moment for Craig Craig Craig you have been on Mike Williams Mike Williams is your baby boy you love him there I say like a child DK is an actual child Craig does not but if Craig had a child it'd be like Mike Williams very close yeah so when Mike Williams caught his first deep ball since like the Vietnam War in this game to beat the Pittsburgh Steelers what was going to going through your head. So this is what proves what generation I'm in.

I was happier that Mike Williams scored than the Steelers got scored on. Which shows you that I'm for fantasy over real football now because I don't know. It's because I'm a Spongeball millennial. But when he did that, I was like, hell yeah, I'm happy for my plans. I would have rather that happened

than he would have dropped that ball and went right through. It wasn't just hedging. You were actually more happy. Yes. I was more happy. That's how you know, though. Like, those moments just test you immediately. You've gone beyond the pale, the event horizon.

You're like, you're sucked into the black hole now. There's no turning back. I'm professionally. I'm professionally in the Steelers professionally. Like, my career rides on Mike Williams. So, like, I've wondered this about myself with the Giants, but like, it's weird because the Giants are so bad that it hasn't really, it's almost been better for them long term if they lose every game.

So I've never really had to be like, oh, no, am I rooting for? like Miles Sanders to get a touchdown because I told someone to play him this week over the I'm like well who cares the giants are the worst record in football the last five years I also hate Ben and I'm not rooting for him anymore I'm kind of sick of him uh I know you text today you're like I think I am officially

out on Ben I'm like just now like I feel like should have been like why not like last year I'm surprised I can't stand this thing he does where he'll throw like three shitty three yard outs right he'll go three and out and punt and then he goes and sits on the sidelines it grabs his iPad and he's like sitting there like hand to the forehead studying.

I'm like, and then he just goes right out and does the same shit again. I'm like, he pretends, even the last play of the game as the charges were kneeling, Ben is like standing in line with Herbert, like watching the game hoping Herbert like fumbles trying to be like, look, like, I'm the best teammate there is. Yeah, I'm ready if anything happens. A couple things about the Steelers. First of all, we all thought the Chargers were going to blow that, right? That was the most Chargers lost that was coming up to be.

And then they just, they actually ended up winning the game because of Mike Williams. but what was what was that defense the mic was just out of players that well you want a hot take for me and i shouldn't say this because i am the mike williams guy you shouldn't like if you're a mike williams fantasy owner you shouldn't feel good about that you shouldn't think that he's back now yeah he had 40 yards four catches before that another shitty disappointing day and if mika fitzpatrick is playing that doesn't happen probably and mike williams has another you know underwhelming Also, so, so,

Sonja Harris, he was evaluated, he came back in, but like, the Steelers goal line play calling, I know that Steelers fans have bitched about this forever, but like I feel like I really understood tonight in a way that, by understanding, I mean, the opposite of understand. Because when football, when NFL teams come out and go empty, like no running backs,

at the goal line on first down, I'm always confused. But to see the Pittsburgh Steelers come out, like, I get it when you have Kyler Murray and like he can run, Ben Rothesberger being the least mobile quarterback in the NFL and they just spread out on shotgun.

I think he is. I think he's number one. Single slowest player in the, like maybe player actually, period. In the NFL and they go shotgun on first and goal in completion. And then the next play they just bunch up like it looks like a field goal attempt

where everyone's just like. And I'm like, what is the philosophy? This team is bewildering to watch. And then Rathesberger just throwing all these passes that get batted down. Also, him just throwing these ducks. Like he can't throw the ball hard anymore. so every pass is a loop.

We should call him Ben Hospital Ball Rathusberger because every time he throws a pass, I'm like, oh, Deontay Johnson's going to get his spleen exploded. There was a lot of that tonight. Nashi Harris, I mean, Cam Hayward kind of just punching Herbert in the ribs a little bit.

It's a little weird. Maybe there's a reason why we always joke that Deontay Johnson and Chase Claypool always get hurt in every game. What's the coming spread there? I think it's a Ben. Is he always on the ground? Because all the passes are not in the right spot.

Ruthesberger under three. Remember when Chase Claypool got opened by like seven yards and then had to like stop and wait. It's like he was waiting for an elevator to open. And he got to catch the ball and he fell down. I think he's like chaotic. He's like a chaotic athlete. He's so good. He's so explosive and so athletic that he like gets ahead of himself.

And then he like stumbles and falls. It's like he doesn't quite know how to how to like you get a new like sports career. You don't quite know how to handle. This is like your child learning to walk. He's just kind of like, whoa, this is so fast. It's just like a young Labrador where they're just like really kind of strong, but they don't really know how their limbs move.

And they're like bailing out all the other dogs at the dog park, kind of wiping them out. Yeah, they're just barreling into people. Anyway, that game was crazy. I can't really believe Austin Echler followed up that game. Last note on the Jonathan Taylor,

Austin Echler Day, so I looked this up. This is only the second time in 10 years that two running backs have both had more than 40 PPR points on the same day. I thought that was kind of crazy. That's kind of crazy. So it happened, Christian McCaffrey and Aaron Jones did it last year.

Before that, the last time it happened was 2010. Java Best and Jason. Jason Snelling. Who's Jason Snelling? I had to look him up. He was on like the Falcons. Wow.

That's a way bad track. Yeah, right? That's the last stuff it would happen. Before that, it's like more, you know, regular people, like Frank Gore and people,

obviously. But yeah, so Jonathan Taylor's probably going to be the number one pick next year. It'll be like a Jonathan Taylor Christian McCaffrey discussion. Maybe Derek Henry. We'll see,

man. I know. I think people will still draft him for sure. Well, we have to figure out what do we do with our memento tattoo, where we got to have to tat it on us, like take Derek Henry, parentheses no matter what? And like, what do we do now? Do we get another tattoo?

Hive, I love that you and I, like, we always joke that every year we find reasons not to draft Derek Henry and this was the first year that we were going to give up. And then he hurts his foot. And I'm like, well, I'm back. Next off season, I'm going to be like, hey, that's what. Does it validate how you guys were feeling all those other years? Yes. I knew it was coming. We knew. We knew. Never wrong only early. It's like my whole, like, that's like my whole brand. Never wrong only early. That's how I feel about like being down on my, like, Williams. Like he's like literally the number one receiver in fantasy through three weeks.

And I'm like, he's just going to break your heart. Like boom. Yeah. All right. D.K. Craig and I've just kind of been ranting for a little bit. You want to take over for a hot second? Yeah.

So I thought it was a, it was a funny week. I'm not going to say it's a tough week because I don't actually believe this. But like for the running backs don't matter crowd. Like running backs dominate for their teams. And quarterbacks by and large, there was a few good. quarterbacks, but quarterbacks this week were fucking shitty in a lot of cases. And especially for fantasy. Let's talk about the fantasy quarterbacks. Now, the first couple guys that, you know, it makes sense. Herbert Rogers, Jalen Hertz, who's always there.

Cam Newton, the QB4. And then Trevor Simeon, the QB6, Taylor Heineke, Cahoeh, C2B7, Colt McCoy, the QB9, Joe freaking Flacko. Yeah, Tyra Taylor, Joe Flackleckham, Tua. Andy Dalton. Tua, Andy Dalton, who didn't even start the game. Hold on. I think you skipped also Rathusburgers in the top 10. Even the... I know.

I kind of just like grandfathered demand because he's like got a big name and everything. But like that one is probably like a little bit surprising too. Ben hasn't done a pick since week four. How is that possible? He's back in. Craig's back in. All right.

We don't we're the... I regret bringing up Ben. I already regret bringing up Rathisberger. That was an unforced error by me. I'm going to read off some scores here, some fantasy scores, the quarterbacks that let us down. Matt Ryan.

Thursday night football scored 2.1 points. Jack Prescott. What can you say? That's 2.6 points. Matt Ryan, 2.1 points. Jack Prescott, 2.6 points. Patrick Mahomes, in a win. 7.5 points.

Russell Wilson, 8.5 points. Joe Burrow. Joey B. Joey covers, 9 points. Tyler Huntley and Andy Dalton outscored all of those names this week. the fantasy, the quarterback landscape in fantasy this week was just, you didn't even mention Derek Carr also eight and a half points. Trevor Lawrence

also eight and a half points. Like these are people player people start these people. There was some, okay, just looking at our across my fantasy league. Joe Flacco doubled up like five of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Joe Flacco. There was some really bad scores across my leagues this week. Like in the 70s, in the 60s, like guys in Superflake.

starting two quarterbacks got like eight points from the quarterback. I feel like we've been saying this for three weeks now. The middle of the fantasy season has been a disaster. I also think this was the most top heavy week I've ever seen from fantasy scoring. I lost this week in my favorite league to the guy he had Jonathan Taylor and Justin Jefferson

so like, you know, what are you going to do? But he also just had like Jamal Agnew and like all these other awful and like Robbie Anderson and all these other awful people. And I feel like so many scores are like that we're like, it was just all these people, it, like, defied, like, the bell curve.

It was, like, the opposite of the bell curve. It was just Jonathan Taylor, Echler, and Jefferson, and Donate Adams on one side, and then a bunch of Joe Burton, I mean, I feel like the quarterback position proportional to the point scored, if we actually went through the data, I bet that, like, in terms of people who were started,

this is, like, the lowest percentage of points scored in a week by fantasy quarterbacks, like, in, like, 10 years, probably. Oh, I believe that. I believe that for sure. Yeah, it was just, weird. It was just a very weird season or a very weird week and especially, and I'm in a lot of Superflex league, so it's just like,

man, the amount of points people got from their quarterbacks was just bizarre. It was just the weirdest week. So, yeah, I'd say the quarterback position in general. It's probably a world where Jonathan Taylor outscored like seven, maybe eight different teams fantasy quarterbacks this year.

I mean, seriously, I mean, if someone just started, I mean, who do we just say? Mahomes is seven and a half. Russ is eight, that's 15, DAC is two, that's like 17. If someone started Matt Ryan, it's 19. Like, you could actually get 10 good quarterbacks

that Jonathan Taylor outscore. I actually have a super flex team with Matt Ryan and Dak Prescott. That's unbelievable. I didn't win that one. I didn't win in that league this week, you guys. Shocking. Yeah.

Anyway, you know what, I'm going to, also we didn't even mention Lamar Jackson didn't even play this. Like, we just went through all that. Also, Lamar Jackson literally didn't even play.

and I think that for people who maybe weren't paying attention to this development over the weekend might have even been surprised by it if they didn't have Lamar on the team but you know he had like the he had a cold apparently it was like worse than colds but like if you did you see the video

of him walking into the stadium he did not look well my dumb question was like if it's such a bad cold like don't don't I don't know just going to work people like I think they were trying to see if he could just like top it out yeah like eat some soup

something before the game and feel better. One of the defenders said that he was so sick that he didn't realize the plane had landed. Do you think Michael Jordan kind of ruined having flus for all other athletes? Because now they're like, fuck, do I have to give this a go? No, but post-last dance, the answer is yes, because all these athletes just watched the last dance

and try to channel it, so yes. Yeah. Got to play sick. Okay. Wow. That was a lot. We got to go to that's why I drafted you. Next. Craig. The Vikings Packers game,

I want to single out Devante Adams and Justin Jefferson. So I actually was on a flight during the morning games and the game I watched was Green Bay, Minnesota, which is an incredible game. Kirk and Aaron Rogers

were just as good as Devante and Justin Jefferson. But these two, it almost feels like Justin Jefferson is the next Devonte Adams. I know their play styles maybe aren't exactly right, but the type of guys

where it feels like their connection with their quarterback is so strong. And Justin Jefferson is just the next guy in line where I'm like, how was he so open? And that's how I always felt about Devante Adams.

Justin Jefferson is just always wide open. They both had huge days today over 130 yards each, I think, or close to. Justin Jefferson more than 100 in the first quarter. And I just want to start betting the over on him every week. You know, he hit it two weeks ago, and I just wanted to keep doing it. But, yeah, huge days out of both of them. The other thing, I don't know if you saw this one, Craig. I'm curious how the flight Wi-Fi was for the said games, but

Justin Jefferson had a space jam like leap from the five yard line like he basically was being tackled I think it's the furthest that I've ever seen a player reached for the goal line like it wasn't like he was jumping like he was being tackled and he's like I got this and he put the ball out like at the 10 yard line

he got up the half yard line and that's what's crazy is he could have had three touchdowns and he wore a I think he was wearing a Randy Moss t-shirt before the game he did he wore the Randy Moss and then it was incredible also I saw this stat this from ESPN well it's ESPN citing next-gen stats, but Justin Jefferson basically faced off-coverage.

So the cornerbacks were respecting him and then giving him like five or more yards from the line of scrimmage. On two-thirds of the snaps, he got that. Five or more yards of space on two-thirds of the snaps, and on those snaps, he got almost 140 receiving yards, which is the second most any receiver's gotten an off-covered all season. So we were talking about Jonathan Taylor becoming the next running back one off the board. Jefferson is getting close to where he's like maybe number two or three next year. So I think he's leapt the tier, right?

Because what we did entering this season was basically like there's a tier one of these receivers. And it's like Tyree Kill. It's Devante Adams. Hopkins, kind of. Yeah, Hopkins was there. We had Stefan Diggs in there.

And am I forgetting anyone? Devante, Tyree Killed's late at night. I think that was it. And then Fringe was Calvin. Well, yeah, and obviously his seasons, you know, hopefully he's doing all right and might come back soon. But I think that, there was the second tier of receivers

that we didn't know who was going to leap. There was D.K. Metcalfe, A.J. Brown, you know, Justin Jefferson and, like, Keenan Allen, all these guys seemed really good. And we didn't know who's going to leap. And I think Justin Jefferson has definitively leaped into the top tier. Well, really, DeAndre Hopkins,

even when he was healthy, kind of fell out of it. And Stefan Diggs kind of really hasn't because this enough. Justin Jefferson seems pretty firmly for next season. Like, in some order, it's Tyree killed, Devante Adams, and Justin Jefferson for next year. And then Cooper Cup, Debo Samuel.

I think it's going to be very interesting next year. Like, if I had to guess right now, based on what we know, Cooper Cup is the first receiver off. Yeah, sorry. And then, and then I think it's really- All the Cooper Cup managers, please forgive me. Yeah, it's he had my week, you know.

When you're on by, you don't exist. That's a fun fact. Exactly. But I'm thinking like, because Debo Samuel, yeah, Debo Samuel is like half receiver, half running back. Like, that's really exciting. Yeah, but what did the top tier?

What is the, what, speaking of things? we've gotten tattooed in ourselves that don't trust Kyle Shed Ann. I mean, you ain't lying. The injury thing with Debo, I feel like always is lingering in my brain, even if it's not, like, doesn't make any sense if it's not rational. How about Jamar Chase? Where's he go?

He's going to be where Justin Jefferson was last year. That's right. Yeah, I think that's exactly right. All right. But, you know, I think it's a really good point, Craig. Like Jefferson's right there. Speaking of, well, this one's unknowable because we don't know what the deal is,

but another person, I'm kind of curious where they're going to be next year. It's freaking Jalen Hertz, man. I'm inventing a new award. It's called death taxes and Jalen Hertz is a QB1. And you know who gets it? Once again, is Jalen Hertz gets this award.

Jalen Hertz is 31 fantasy points. We're out here being like every quarterback that's good except Aaron Rogers basically was awful. Jalen Hertz once again was freaking incredible. I think it's QB2 behind Rogers. First Eagles quarterback ever with three rushing touchdowns in a game. And the Eagles had freaking Randall Cunningham. And Michael Vick.

Yeah. And Michael Vick, right? Right. and what's his name? Foles. And Nick Foles. And Sunfield.

And Donovan McDade. Can't forget about Sudfeld. Anyway, Jailet Hertz has literally been a QB1 every week this week. Every week this season except once. Yeah, he's been a QB1. He's been the most consistent quarterback by far. Multiple top five finishes.

QB1, so top 12 finish every week except for, I think, week eight. Um, and a big part of it is what we preached all off season, the rushing floor, the rushing floor, the rushing floor, it gives him an incredible ceiling because he's also developing as a pastor. He's like coming along. I wouldn't say it was like his best day ever as a pastor this week. He was, uh, let's see here. He's 13 to 24, 147 yards. 30 points. And he, let me reiterate that. He scored 30 fantasy points on and he had 13 of 24 with 147 yards passing. So that again is just like a huge reminder of why the rushing floor matters so much. He had, 18 carries 69 yards, three touchdowns. Do you guys remember the bold takes thing, I think, in the preseason? Yes, you said Jalen Hertz would leave the league in rushing touchdowns. Yes, there was like a 10,000 to one bet or something like that. It was like, they hadn't thought it through.

I think it was 100 to 1. I can't remember. Love you, they didn't think it through. And D.K. was like, this is, no, it was 100 to 1. A hundred to Jailen hurt. And we were like, he definitely leads the league in touchdowns two out of 100 times. Yeah. He is currently fifth now in rushing touchdowns in the NFL.

He's probably not going to get it. But it's still fun to see. No, but he could, though, because the guys that have him were like James Connor and Jonathan Taylor. And it's like one of those guys gets hurt. He could totally do it. I mean, that's always a possibility. He right now, I saw this from Shield Capadia from the Athletic. He's ninth in the NFL with 618 rushing yards.

He is on pace for nearly 1,000. Wait, wait, wait, didn't we bet the over? Wasn't it like 600? Yeah. We already won the over for Jalenhurst rushing yards. It was like 600. Yeah. No, I think it was.

I'll look it up right now while you're talking. But like we already won that. I'm telling you it was six something. By the way, I think a lot of those are doing really well on our season long props. I didn't want to jinx it, but I've been thinking that for like two weeks. I had someone point out to me on Twitter that we bet the under on,

uh, on Jamar Chase's receiving yards. And so that's probably not going to go so well for us. But that was just like us like betting against history. So I'm happy that Jamar Chase is making history. So according to Sheel, if you remove kneel downs, Hertz is first in success rate as a runner and second in yards per carry. I mean, he is a truly talented runner.

And I think this was like why I was so excited about him coming into the year. It's not that he's a mobile quarterback. It's that he's a like genuinely good runner. He's like a running back. I mean, he scored 30-something touchdowns, I think, in college as a runner. So he's easily legit good runner. and importantly, he's coming along, I think, as a passer. The Eagles are getting hot right now.

And so all in all, definitely big winner this week. And I think he is the, I guess he was like sort of a mid-round. I can't remember exactly where he went. He's not necessarily a late-round quarterback, but he's a later-round quarterback. He is the later-round quarterback for this year. He ended up being, I think he floated to like, go, he's going about eighth or so, because we really were high on him in like July and August. And then I think he kind of shot up in rankings.

but yeah we were talking about this earlier today actually Craig was on the on a plane but deacon I were talking about how basically is is late round quarterback is that dead or it was that perfect or is it awful and I think it's actually kind of simple like we preached all offseason late round quarterback and like you know Kyler or Lamar were like really tempting but like there was the stretch of Jalen Hertz Matt Stafford Ryan Tannahill Tom Brady yeah Herbert's on the beginning of that so it's like Herbert and then it was but like there was a gap and it was like Jalen Hertz and then it was like a mini gap and it was like Stafford, Brady, Ryan Tanhill. And like, if you got Stafford Brady or Hertz, really hurts Brady than Stafford, you're pretty happy with Stafford.

Stafford, you're crushing with Jalen Hertz. You were crushing with Brady. And then Tanhill just absolutely wrecked you. Tannehill has been awful. He had four picks today. He's just been, you probably cut him already. And like whether you got one of those quarterbacks or you got like Tanna Hill or Joe Burrow, one of those, kind of has probably decided a lot of people's seasons.

Yeah. I think that's right. You know, thinking about Jalen Hertz, so we're going to do the fantasy rewatchables at the end of the year and we'll elect, you know,

who won the season. I think right now the two leading candidates are Cooper Cup in Jalen Hertz. I think Cooper Cup has to be number one. He's been incredible. Jonathan Taylor, I think's got to be up there. Taylor's going to end up in that conversation.

But Taylor's on a borderline first round pick. It's not as, you know, it's not as much value with that as Jalen and Cooper. Cup is the answer, but then Jalen Hurts is right. Because again, he's a top 10 quarterback every single week. It is unbelievable.

Death tax is Jalen Hertz. All right. Let's go to another very important category. They're real and they're spectacular. Shouts out all the Seinfeld heads out there. I know I was going to say this is maybe the most quoted Seinfeld quote. I don't know. It's also an old joke.

We've done this before on the pod a while back. Okay. I don't know if you'll remember it, but we've done it. I've played the clip before. Oh, I do remember that. Yes. Can we play the clip right now? And by the way, they're real and they're spectacular.

So there's two guys I want to talk about in terms of they're real and they're spectacular. First, Elijah Moore for the Jets, who, you know, we've been monitoring. Obviously, he's had a couple strong weeks, but we were starting to, or we were basically a little bit nervous because, number one, it's the Jets offense. Number two, the Jets are stupid and they've been rotating him out. They've been playing him like 50, 60% of the snaps. Like, no one gets it. He's clearly an awesome player. He had an other worldly preseason, then he got hurt and kind of came on slow.

And then they just decided, we're going to rotate him in with, you know, Keel and Cole and Braxton Barrios because we're idiots and we're losing all these games. They played him. I think it was like 80 plus percent. He ran around on 80 plus percent of Joe Flacco's dropbacks today. Eight catches, eight catches, 141 yards touchdown, plus a 15-yard run, 29.6 points in PPR. absolutely just went off. And like,

it was easy, it was easy to predict this because every time it gets the opportunity, he was doing good stuff with it. I just truly don't understand what the Jets problem is before this. Well, I actually disagree. It was not easy to do this,

because I have to give both of you an apology. I was wrong, Elijah Moore. I rolled my eyes every week. You guys recommended him because I was like, people of Corey Davis were recommending James and Crowder. Elijah Moore was getting a sixth of this passing offense that is disgusting. honestly.

Like, I just didn't, I just felt like Elijah Moore was major dynasty brain. He had a good game against the Colts. He had a couple touchdowns. I'm like, all whatever,

you got a couple touchdowns. Like, that's not going to happen. And once the touchdowns, try it, no, he's incredible. Well, I don't,

to be clear, I wasn't saying it was easy to predict this from a fantasy point of view because I was also nervous the fact that they weren't using enough. It was,

what's easy to predict, what's easy to predict is you give him a full workload and he's going to go off because he's talented and he's like, their best playmaker. I just like it just boggles my mind

I don't know whatever you guys are right I at no point in the last two months felt that he was like the waiver priority you two did and I think going forward like he's I mean he's flexible he's incredible he's real and he is spectacular we need to come up with a category or like

an analogy for the guy like I drafted Elijah Moore for a dollar in my favorite league give up and then someone else I dropped him I dropped him like weeks five or six and now he's great we need something for that we do I could not, oh my God, I know what you mean. Part two of the, he's real and spectacular.

They're real and they're spectacular. Darno Moody from the Bears. I think he's legit. He's a legit, very good player. He's kind of turning into a star. I mean, it's hard, it's hard to say that because it's the Bears' offense and the Bears' offense isn't very good right now. But he's clearly their number one.

Alan Robinson was out today. He had a 48% target rate. That's crazy. Nearly half of all the past attempts went to Darne. Mooney, he's that good. He gets open. He runs routes. He runs really crisp routes, gets open.

He's a big play machine. He seems to make one ridiculous catch every game. Also, you just, I don't want to gloss over what you just said. That is the single most underrated. Like, it's the dumbest compliment, but it's nothing's more important. Like, a receiver that's just open a lot. Like, we said that about Justin Jefferson. Like, nothing actually matters more than that.

I think I was, I was a little hesitant, honestly, to believe the Mooney stuff, even though I was excited about Mooney because, I mean, it's a small school guy. He's tiny. Like, the whole stuff about being small, we kind of held against Markies Brown for so long. Like, I'm going to look this up. I think he's like 160 pounds. And so I was still a little bit, like, hesitant to really buy into this hype that he's going to be a legit star. He's 174 pounds.

So, number one, it's cool to see him kind of breaking out of that stereotype that, you know, small guys can't succeed in the NFL. I think that's definitely changing just based on the way that the rules are set up and all that stuff. You can't hit him quite as hard or you can't like blindside hit him. And the game is just played in space more, all that stuff. But he had, Darnow Mooney now has double digit games and PPR and five of his last seven. He had 23.1 PPR points today. 16 targets, which I think was a high for all receivers.

He only caught five of them because Justin Fields was off. He was a little bit off to start the game. and then he got hurt, and then Andy Dalton came in. It was just chucking him in Mooney's direction. But over his last seven games, Mooney is averaging 7.5 targets per game. That's like bankable, startable volume right there. Mooney's terrible.

I mean, we love Mooney coming into the season. And again, this was a late payoff, just like Elijah Moore. Never wrong, only early, Craig. Can I add one more? There's one more. He's, they're real and they're spectacular. I think that we're missing. Yeah.

Who is this? Can I guess? Yeah. You wrote this in the dock and I was like, who is this? I was like searching. I don't know who you're going to say. Are you going to say? Are you saying Brandon, I am?

Wow. Yeah. I mean, this is four straight games now where he's been like kind of back. He's, you know, he actually leads San Francisco in Rout's run over the last month. He had a 31% target here today. Like, he is like officially back to what he kind of was last year. He had seven catches 85 yards in a touchdown today. He's extortable.

every week. He's back. He's who you drafted him to do. Again, do you want me to go on the whole Jets rant? Like, what was this fucking shit at the beginning of the year? With Brandon I-Yook. I just can't stand this stuff. Like, I hate this stuff. I'm sure that there was actual

reasons that they did this, but like Trey Sermon and Brandon Ayuk need to start a podcast. The thing about Brandon Ayuk, I forget, I don't know if D.K. pointed this out to me, but Brandon, to me, has the unofficial record for when, like, when Brandon I curdled, I think it was an Eagles defender last year.

He cleared the defender by, to me, the largest amount I've ever seen a person clear another person by. And like, that was when I just blacked out flashback to D.K. saying, this is one of the most athletic football players I've ever seen in my life. And I thought about that as he's like, sorry. I could have jumped over this guy twice. And like, I just cannot explain him not really being in the offense the first six weeks. the hamstring injury, maybe,

didn't seem like that was the issue. I don't know, Shanahan had so many weird decisions. So I think there's an asterisk on this because Shannon's still doing things, but no, Brennan, I think you can flex every week rest of the season. It is very good to see that him go off this week, though, because last week he only had three catches for 26 yards.

So I was like, man, was it a mirage? Yeah, but that was different because that was like they got the two-pick six, or not two picks, whatever was. They got the 14 points spotted and the Niners just ran the ball. Oh, yeah, they barely, I think Jimmy threw it like 15. There's no reason. Because that's more just afraid of it. Also, Jimmy sucks.

Jimmy absolutely sucks. Did you guys see the Niners game today? Jimmy's, I'm sorry. Jeff Wilson wide open in the end zone. Yeah. I get there was a defender mildly bearing down in him.

But I mean mild. Like, it's part of the job. It's a boot to his left. Like you got like the five yard. Part of the job. It's, it's boot to the left. And like, he's open.

And like, yeah, a guy's going to hit him. But like, Jeff Wilson, and I mean this when I say it. If you look at the preplay, like, Jeff Wilson goes right. And if you just cut a giant line

where the right tackle is, there's no defenders on the right side of the football field. Like everyone went left. When people saw Michael Shannon's not even play, there was no defenders on the right side of the football field. And Jimmy missed Jeff Wilson.

And then he almost threw a pick like the next drive. And I'm like, that's why they have Trey Lance. I don't know why they don't play Dre Lance, but like it was unbelievable. Anyway, Jimmy sucks. But I think that not targeting Brandon Ayuk

when they're up a lot is just they don't want Jimmy to screw up. having said that. So I had to rant. Jimmy's awful. I also invented a new word this week for a person who looked the saddest on the sideline. You invented a new word for that?

A war. Sorry, it's late. I'm short-circuiting out of anger for Jimmy Garaplo. I invented a new award for some person who looked the saddest on the sideline, which was Mike Vrabel, man. Mike Vrable all day. To the point that Andrews Siciliano

on the red zone channel actually just being like, wow, you see how sad for abys every time we cut to him? I feel raining. And they were, it was like that. It's like he cut his own dick off.

He is the guy you threatened to cut his own dick off. Yeah, he is. That's perfect. It looked like a guy who had made that decision. It looked like a guy who made a deal with the devil.

That's all I'll say. Oh, I've made a terrible mistake. He made a huge mistake. What is your return policy? But no, dude, Tando had four picks. It looked like a team that didn't have Julio Jones

or Derek Henry and was without Agent Brown for stretches. But, like, dude, their longest play today were for 13 yards against the Houston Texans. So they lost. Their offense is pretty rough, man, right now. Yeah, Ben Solek read a really good article about this at the ringer.com, great website. And I think the crux of it is, basically,

they can't run their play action game that they're so good at. Because Henry really does sort of, like, change the way that their offense runs, right? Is that kind of what? Yeah, I think so. bottom line is. Basically, like, the play action, it used to be like,

you run with Henry and then, like, you get these huge chunk, like these massive big plays. The play action crossers. And now the play action is just to survive and like to pick up like third and five. And to, I think so like the line that caught my eye

in Slucks piece was that Tennessee has last an explosive plays since Derek Henry's injury. And so that's why I checked and that, their longest play today were for 13 yards. And that is the real difference. And then you see Tana Hill four interceptions, it's raining, but also like, because they can't, they just can't create stuff, man. You start to force it.

But no, this, this team looked lost. It's, I, it's like such a freaking, the NFL is so weird, man, because the Titans had just gone on this run where they're beating every good team in the NFL that was left. Also, we can pat ourselves in the back and shake her own hands. Like, we did kind of just all agree the Texans were going to win this game on Friday. We did. Because we, like, because we finally decided they're good. Everyone decided the Titans were good

and the way this season goes, that was when you knew they were going to lose. It's the kiss of death to officially say a team is good. It's true. Anytime we all agree on anything. And so what's crazy is that, first of all, the Patriots are winning the EFCs,

which we don't even have to get into that. I'm sure we'll hear about that. But the Titans are still the number one scene in the UFC. And I think the best way, look, there's a lot of ways to go through how bad the EFC's been. We all know that all these teams have like a lot of, really every team in the NFL at this point that's good

has like one or two awful losses. But you can just just think of it this way. is there a team in either of your lifetimes that like we're, it's almost thing, it's like Thanksgiving almost. The number one seat in the conference is the Titans. Is there any team you can even think of

that is remotely close to as bad as a number one seed as the Tennessee Titans would be? Because I don't think the Titans would be favored against a few of these teams. Craig, what are you there? When were the Steelers like 12 and O? It was the Steelers last year.

That's so true. It's literally last year. Oh, my God, you're right. Craig was raising his hand for that entire monologue. A year ago today. When the Steelers were barely beating the Ravens on a Wednesday. Oh my God. I just black 2020 out.

They lost to the Bengals backup quarterback. Who was it? Remember when the Steelers were supposed to play the Ravens on Thanksgiving? We were like, best Thanksgiving game day ever. And then they played on Wednesday because the Ravens had no players from COVID. And then the Steelers still like barely won. Who was the backup quarterback on Cincinnati that they lost to last year? I'll look it up while we're talking.

Oh, that was Brandon Allen? Yes, that sounds right. Brandon Allen? Oh, man, there's too many Allens. Anyway. Anyway, you're all right. That's fair, Craig. That's a very good point.

But besides that, your point stance. Besides literally last year. All right, D.B. Cooper Award for biggest disappearance, other than my memory from that right there. I've got two of these. I'm going to start out with Dan freaking Arnold. Turns out... My instincts were incorrect. You can't actually trust people with two first names.

Dan Arnold. His name is Ricky Bobby? What kind of name is Ricky Bobby? By the way, I'm saying that with, I'm saying that tongue and cheek because I have two first names. So does Craig. I don't think I've ever met anyone named Horlebeck. It's like a crowd pleaser. There are dozens of us, Dan.

Craig, that was like a groaner. Wah, wah. Can we get that added? All right, Dan Arnold targets the previous five games before Sunday. Seven, seven, ten, five, eight. One of the only trustworthy tight ends in the world at this point. Targets today, zero. The Jaguars are the Stone worst.

I hate the Jaguars. Yeah, who's your guys' least favorite team? Oh, honestly. Well, you mean least favorite or like? Because there's teams I don't like. There's varying degrees of dislike. I'm sure. The Jaguars are just like.

like, I'm just going to confirm some biases that some fans have. I think that it's like, there's this thing of like, oh, you hate my team. No, no, no, no. It's just there are some teams that's the Don Draper thing of like, I just don't think about you. Exactly. And honestly, it was the tights for a long time. Could I, could I reveal something? Maybe I should say this.

Sure. There's only, it's just us. High Fitz. No one else is here. So I keep notes on every team. Okay. And then one time I transferred my notes to like a different system. I forgot to bring the Titans notes with me for like a year and a half. And they never came up. They were never newsworthy.

Like the Marcus Moriota, exotic smash mouth, Mike Munchak Titans, didn't even occur to me to write a story about the Titans or pitch something for a year and a half. It's actually really bizarre. They're so boring considering they have like the coolest running back in the league, one of the coolest wide receivers in the league. And no one cares about it. really good mascot. Like they're the Titans. Like, remember the Titans? No one cares. Like, just to

I'm sure there's some Titans who's listening being like, I knew it. And it's like, yeah, it's like, you know what? When the Titans were good and like, Tanna Hill was like, no, no, this isn't real. There's no way the Titans are relevant. You know who they are? They're the Utah Jazz of football. That's exactly. Yes. Well, they're like, yeah, they're going to win 60 games. I don't give a shit. They're not going to win the playoffs. No one cares.

Nope. Just no. Oh, God. There's no jazz in Utah, to my knowledge. Anyway. Basket, basketball right there. Good, good reference. Um, any other D. B. Coopers. The number two, D.B. Cooper award jumping out of the back of an airplane. Zach freaking Moss. Where have you gone? Zach Moss. Uh, I mean, look, granted, it wasn't like he was

turning into a superstar, but he, earlier in the season, looked like he was kind of grabbing hold of the number one job in this backfield. It's a good offense. He scored a lot of points. He was starting to do that thing that we thought he might do, which was score touchdowns for this team, getting all the red zone looks. today he carried the ball three times for five yards Matt Brita I saw this from JJ Zacharison Matt Brita has been the top scoring bills

running back in back to back weeks he led the backfield with a 45% running back share and that was five carries there's the running the bill's backfield is a fucking wasteland let's not ever think about the bill's backfield again

agreed I just want to toss in one DB Cooper it's Rashad Bateman who was like the green room topic of the day when you were listening to the green room on the plane this morning also yeah shout out we do a green room every noon eastern starts it so plug download Spotify green room and we're live you can come up and talk to us and like right in the chat we answer he starts the questions at noon eastern

every week there's like a guy or two that everyone's asking questions about right oh like two weeks ago was like Elijah Mitchell and this week it was definitely Rashad Bateman because Marquis Brown was out even though Lamar wasn't playing or he was on the fence, it was like, oh, you know, Rashad's been great for three street weeks. Like, this is going to be his ascension. He was fifth on the team, on his own damn team in yards. Devonte Freeman had more receiving yards.

Devin DuVernay, Sammy Watkins, didn't do anything. And I think that happens all the time where we, the lead guy gets hurt at receiver. It's not like running back. And we think it is, but it's not. Yeah, I feel like I was Zarathustra on this one. Like, I was wrong about Elijah Moore. I was like, you guys have Dynasty Brain.

Like, he's not going to be this good yet. I felt like I was also like I was taking crazy pills about Rashad Bateman because Lamar Jackson was, you know, sorry, Markese Brown was out. Evans like Rashad Bateman's going to have a big day. I'm like, okay, cool. And then Lamar Jackson's out. And I'm like, no one really tempered their expectations for Rashad Bateman. And I'm like, dude, how many times in his life has Tyler Huntley thrown a football to

Rashad Bateman? Like, he's a rookie. Several. There are dozens of them. Like, I just, like, Alan Robinson's out here. Like, yeah, I know, you know how I've always had like, 1,200 receiving yards? Well, you know, if I don't throw Justin Fields,

I suddenly am like, like, the wide receiver's 70 on this season. And I'm just like, I didn't really understand how Rashad Bateman was going to have a day. And like, that's a thing that sometimes, I don't know, sometimes there's a group think element. Yeah, I don't know. It just, it just, it's soured my milk today.

Graphic. I, we've got to move up. a lot of awards were inventing today. I had to have another award for the opposite of a D.B. Cooper, which is like the grand reappearance. It's like the Tom Hanks award from Castaway, like the biggest reemergence.

Like, oh my God. Show back up in the world and when he comes back. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like Annie Dalton. He's got ice cubes in his glass. We're dedicated to Justin Fields now.

We've moved on past you. Dude, Andy Dalton's back. And I'm like, damn, dude, we, I have remarried. Like, I have a new family. I don't know what to say. And he's like, dude,

Andy Dalton tied Josh Allen and fantasy points today in relief of Justin Fields. Good Lord. And Matt Nagy is back to like, I don't know who's going to start. And like, all right, we'll see. But like, oh, wait, even if Fields is healthy? But, dude, Dalton should have won the game.

Like the Bears blowing it at the end was startling. Andy Dalton basically won that game for the Bears. It was pretty crazy. Oh, God. So anyway, here again. By the way, for the record, Justin Fields,

I think it was injured. He did not break his ribs, according to the reports after the game. He injured his ribs, bruised ribs. There was some concern over his spleen, so we went to the hospital, got it checked out. Oh my God. Football's awful. Football is a brutal sport.

He also had... Concerner over his spleen. Can you guys imagine if I was like, I'm still going to come into work tomorrow, but there's some concern with my spleen. We tell you freaking nut up in podcast is what we'd say. Do you guys know what your spleen is? Somewhere in your lower left back. Yeah.

Do you know what your spleen does? Your spleen, doesn't like, filter out? a lot of the bad shit in your body. It's like, it's like the garbage can organ, right? The liver's the filter. I thought the liver and kidneys filter. Kidneys filter your blood. I thought the spleen is what like holds on to all the bad shit and filters through all

the good shit. I'm pretty sure all your organs do that. We have a lot of lawyers. If we have doctors, we're going to take med students. Like, I know you guys don't, you know, know anything yet. What is your medical system? Email, ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com. If someone, anyone can explain what a spleen does.

And don't like non-doctors email and be like, here's the Wikipedia entry. What medical knowledge? I feel like most people probably know what a spleen does. I don't think so. Do you think most people know what a spleen does? Maybe not most. No, I would say no. If most of our listeners, I'll be very impressed with us.

Yeah. Anyway, I'm concerned for his Justin Fields, his spleen. Okay. Well, I also don't know what the Bears do. Man, I really hope they don't go back to Dalton at this point. Do we have any of their... We've moved on. Tom Hanks castaway awards, giant reappearances.

Yeah, I want to get shouts to Clyde Edwards Aller, who came back. Off injury. I also wanted to put Miles Sanders on this list, even though he didn't score very many points. Both, I'll stick with Clyder's Laird because I think both of them look good, but Edwards-Hillard actually scored more points. 12 carries, 63 yards,

and a touchdown, he added two catches for 13 yards. I thought he looked pretty good. Like, coming off of a long absence to injury, where it was a brutal-looking injury to get to Hyphitz's whole theory this year. That's really kind of held up.

It looked terrible, and he managed to come back. It's not what I want to be known for, but it's been right a lot more often than I want to admit. And I think that, you know, along with the fact that the Chiefs offense is kind of like finding its groove finally. Mahomes is finding his groove. They're able to run the ball and he looked pretty solid between the tackles. So, you know, obviously he's not Jonathan Taylor. They could have taken Jonathan Taylor.

That's water under the bridge at this point. But I thought he looks solid. And so he has a chance to be kind of like a sneaky guy down the stretch here. Yeah, the Chiefs could have Jonathan Taylor and D.K. Metcalfe. Oh, brutal. So, D.K., you mentioned Miles Sanders. He gave this to Clyde. I just want to quickly say that Tom Hanks cast away, you know, that movie, you know, spoiler.

He comes back. And he ends with, he's standing at like the crossroads because, like, his life isn't there for him anymore. And I feel like that's Miles Sanders. Like, he comes back from the irony. He's like, hey, guys. And Jalen Hertz just takes every rushing touchdown. And Miles Sanders is like, hmm, I got to find something else now. I just like, staring off at the cornfield distance.

It's like, oh. Anyway. All right. So usually we do also the dad award. Like, you know, we're not mad. We're just disappointed. I talked to DK for 90 seconds today on the phone. And I'm like, no, he's mad and disappointed at the Seahawks Day.

DK, can you talk about the Seahawks? Yeah. Yeah. Russell Wilson and the Seahawks offense. I'm mad and disappointed at the performance. This offense stinks, you guys. It stinks. I don't know what to explain.

I don't know. It's so hard to explain, like, how you could see them at points early. in the season at points last season where they're just lighting people up, just absolutely going nuclear. And now they can't even get first downs. Like, they run fewer plays than any team in the NFL. They, like, straight up suck at offense. Russell Wilson, since he came back,

I think they've scored 13 points or 14 points in the two games since he came back. Like, they can't move the ball. Well, they had zero last week and would they have 13 this week? That makes the math easier. Let me see. Let's see. Yes, they scored 13. point. So yes, Greg, you're correct. 13 plus zero

is 13. They didn't score touchdown from Halloween until today. TK., I loved your I loved your tweet because it was like some post-game quote of Respian like oh, I saw that our best drive was when we went up tempo, like maybe we should do that more and you just said, I'm so tired of this or something. This is important to note though

like this whole too high fixes and my homes think, the Seahawks, this happened to them first. Not like I know it's happened in football history, but like, yeah. This is how the Seahawks, we went from Russell Wilson is on pace for like all these records. And then week nine, like the, I think the bill, I don't remember who went cover to.

And this derailed like the whole Russell Wilson era in Seattle. And they couldn't figure out how to fix it. It's crazy that like it's honestly insane that every single offense can just be stopped by running that defense further in the field. Here's like, I guess that's actually a good segue way to kind of like talk about what's going wrong with the Seawks offense because the teams that have sort of figured out how to deal with like the two high looks where they put a roof over the top of your over the top of the defense they try not to let you beat them deep you know basically

they're telling you you're going to have to execute a 12 play drive to get down the field and score you're going to have to take what we're giving you you're going to have to check it down you're going to have to pass over the middle of field where there's openings blah blah that's big Ben's dream he's like where do I sign it's russell wilson's achilles hill because he really is not good passing over the middle of field and he hasn't been good Not good, but he's literally the worst quarterback in the NFL at passing of the middlefield. Is he really? That's not surprising.

Stephen Ruiz, shadowbringer.com, great website. Stephen Ruiz, Russ is literally, I don't know if it's EPA per play or just like percentage, whatever it was, but like basically he, I think attempts the fewest over the middle and is also the worst. Yeah, that makes sense. Because he can't see. He's also fucking terrible on third down. And the Seahawks offense right now, as it's designed, is predicated on getting into third. third manageable. In other words, they're very confident.

Pete Carroll's never going to give this up. He wants to run the ball. He wants to get into, so like basically run a first down, you get three yards. Run second down. You get another four yards. That sets up a manageable third down. That's all they ever want to do. Get into third manageable. Like, it's the whole fucking philosophy, basically. The only problem is

Russell Wilson sucks on third down. And he has for like the last five years, if not his whole career. Because the throws you need to make a third downer in the middle of the field. But Like, there's a broader problem here, which is that that idea itself is outdated, third and manageable. The most manageable third down is to skip it. The best teams try to get the first downs on the second down or first. Well, that's why the whole, like, no one runs on first down anymore because you don't want to get them third down.

And it's like, but this is an interesting conversation because this feels how the season's breaking, right? Like, look, there's a couple ways this season goes. Because right now, it's week 11th, a little before Thanksgiving. and if you talk about anything with your family members and Thanksgiving watching football it's gonna be like holy shit,

it feels like there's 12 teams that could win the Super Bowl. Now, maybe the Chiefs or the Bills or the Bucks win and we're just like, that's a weird anomaly. But there's also a world where like we're teetering

toward like a different blueprint, at least temporarily kind of breaking through this passing era of football where it's like, it's what D.K said, all these defenses are built to stop the Chiefs,

the bills, whatever, the Sealks, when they were throwing a bunch last year of like, as DECA said, you build a roof and you got a dink and dunk for 14 plays

to get down. And who are the teams that might win? The freaking patriots are built for those 13 play drives. I hate to say it. The Niners would be if they could get their shit together. The Titans, despite the loss today, like they were built for that before Derek Henry got hurt. Like physical teams, the Browns,

if Baker Mayfield didn't have like, I've actually lost count of all the physical injuries, Baker Mayfield has, but the Browns were built for that kind of football. And it's like the teams that can run are kind of built to win this year. And honestly, the Saints, if they hadn't gotten so hurt, if they had any receivers of any note,

I think the Saints would be in it. However, the Patriots will win for all that reasons. But no, the Seahawks are awful. And also gave up their first round pick. They're going to have a top-ded-pick for Jamal Adams. I think it's like top five right now. I think I'm going to bench Russ next week for Carson Wentz. I'm not even kidding.

I don't really blame you. Let's do this right now. Let's do this right now. I think Russ is in the burn book. That's my candidate this week. Wow. If you guys have someone else, you let me know. But I think it's Russ in the Burn Book because not only is you kept him on IR or your bench for all this time, two single digit weeks.

And now you have to bench him again. Okay. So he can only be in the Burn Book if you will bench him next week. They're playing Washington on Monday night. How do you play Russ? He's single digit weeks too. And also now that he's been so bad, the Sealks and Pete Carroll have doubled down on running. So it's like, how do you?

I don't know, Dickie. Like, what world do you play Russell Wilson next week? Do you have to see something? I'm not even against this. I'm not even against this. I think it makes sense. Yeah. Hell yeah.

I have lost all faith in this offense because Russell Wilson's not playing well in the offense that Pete Carroll wants to run. This new offensive coordinator is clearly running Pete Carroll's offense, like the offense that Pete Carroll wants to run. It's just like, I don't know. I don't see how this gets fixed quickly. I just really don't know. D.K.

McCabe had two kids. matches for 14 yards. Admittedly, there were like three or four different moments that he could have had a big game that were very close. It's like why air yards is a stat we cite because you're like, that will convert eventually. And yet I find it very hard to trust Russell doing anything right now. You guys,

something just dawned on me. Is Danny Heifitz's football team currently have the most stable quarterback situation out of all of our three teams? Are you the happiest about the way that guy is playing? Well, this is a very dangerous thing for me to answer at Monday

at 1245 in the morning. Technically, this is Monday morning. I might feel very differently in like 23 hours. It's a conversation, though. I'm getting more and more, to Craig's point, I'm getting more and more convinced that Wilson's going to try and force his way out. I was going to say, I'll tell you this,

I think that I, right now, I bet Daniel Jones probably is the highest likelihood of being on his team next year. Oh, I mean, yeah. I don't think Ben returns. And I think Russ, I mean, it's really hard to see Russ or Pete Carroll both return. if the Seahawks get a top 10 pick.

And honestly, most organizations, I mean like, the Seahawks won't get a top 10 pick. What? Because it's the Jets. Yeah, no, I know they gave it to the Jets,

but my point being, if the Seacuk, not just that, if the Seahawks are a bottom 10 team and don't even have a draft pick to show for it, it's hard for me to see Russ and P. Carroll returning.

However, most teams would pick the quarterback because it's harder to find. The Seahawks have such a strange ownership situation. I just think they stick with Pete Carroll, honestly. Fantasy was tweeting

that, that rush should go to the Jets. And then maybe the Jets just give Zach Wilson to the Seahawks. They don't have to change the jersey. It's just still Wilson. Perfect. That's funny. Mike Clay pointed this out.

Here's a list of the teams that have fewer wins than the Seahawks this year. There's four. Texans, Jaguars, Jets, Lions. Texans, Jags, Jets, and Lions. Those are the only four teams in the NFL right now that have fewer wins than the Seahawks. But that's the thing. If that was the case, you'd think going into the season, wow, the Seelks must be throwing a lot since they're losing so much.

And no, I guess it's like, I think Russ is in the burn book. Because honestly, I think you have to bench him. And if he goes off next week in your line at Mauseltov, and if he goes off on your bench, you're going to be pissed. But are you really going to risk a single digit point performance from your quarterback three weeks in a row? I'm okay with this. The CX just, they don't run enough plays.

They don't run enough plays to make it worthwhile. So they went two out of ten. on third down. They came into this game 30th in the NFL on third downs. I haven't checked the stats lately, but I'm pretty sure they've run the fewest amount of actual plays in the NFL. On purpose. Right. Well, no, I wouldn't say,

no, I wouldn't say on purpose. They want to have longer drives and they want to convert third downs. They just suck at it. There you go. That's a good point. They purposely run slow, but their offense is just like, structurally, it's just broken right now. There's no identity. They don't have an identity. They want to be a run-heavy team, but they don't have any good run.

Now they have an identity. The identity is Russell Wilson. You're in the burn book. Sianara. All right. I've also made up one other award. Made up a lot of awards tonight. Here's why PPR is fucking stupid award.

Is Chapter 3,782 is Rondale Moore had five points in standard and 16 points in PPR. He had 11. I found this out watching the Cardinals game. And the announcers like, Ron Dill Moore is 11 catches today. And there was an awkward pause. And the other announcer's like, what? I think I heard.

And he's like, yeah, 11 catches, 50 yards. And he's like, and the announcer's like, that's the quietest 11 catch game I've ever heard in my life. And so Mike Clay, we're just talking about Mike Clay at ESPN, tweets, do you know how many air yards Rondale Moore had today? Craig, you run a plane. How many air yards? So air yards for those listening is just how far did the ball travel downfield?

Line of scrimmage to where the player standing. That's so many air yards. So he had 11 yards. How many air yards he had one 11 catches? Sorry, because air yards includes

targets. He had 11. He had 11 targets too. 11 catches. He caught all 11 of his targets. Oh, sorry, he had 11 targets today. He called all 11 targets.

How many air yards do you think Randall Moore had an 11 targets, Greg? So I'm going to say it's like three or four yards a target, so I'm going to say 35. That would make sense. It was negative 11.

He had negative 11. That's not an average. That's total. He totaled. negative 11 yards on his targets today. So on average, every single pass he caught behind the line of scrimmage by one yard. This is why I don't like point poor reception.

Fucking behind the line of scrimmage. Football has turned to making certain screens and past plays an extension of the run game. So unless you like points per carry, this cannot continue. And I don't want to hear shit about this is how it is because every single league can change their own rules to theirs anyway.

Yeah, but no one wants. Stop talking. No one wants to, Hyphitz. Fucking negative 11 air yards, got it. 16 points. Unbelievable. Okay.

How much, would you rather get 16 points or five? That's a crazy question because you could be just as likely to play against this person. I'd rather have 16 points. What if you were playing against the person who got 11 points for negative fucking yardage? I would be happy for them because they chose correctly. No, you would. Not if you lose.

Please. All right. What? What's a more impressive game, though? 11 catches for 51 yards or one catch for 51 yards? 11. You have to finish the act of actually catching the football. What about carrying the football?

Yeah, that's easier than catching it. Because in one case, they're getting it handed to them. And in another case, they're getting it thrown to them. And so it's harder to catch it when it's thrown. Physics. All right, let's move on. No one gives a shit about this. People know where they stand on this issue.

Okay. The Derek Henry Cooper Cup Award for Player Wish and Fantasy, we're just going to give it to Jonathan Taylor and we don't need to expect. And Eccler. I think Echler for sure. So prop bet update. So DK on his, it's harder thing.

I'm just going to just, D.K. Oh, for four in props this week. It's okay. I'm not bitter about the PPR conversation. Yeah. I want a rousing one for three. And Craig,

did you hit how many yards did Najah Harris have? Not, not 89. I won this week by having one. right? We didn't do so hot on the props. Well, do I get to do I get a Mulligan on CD Lamb? Yeah, he got and also to be fair, D.K. also to be fair, D.K. also, to be fair, D.K.

also, it's not like their pushes. You just lose the bet. Oh, no, we still lost money. That's kind of the reason you don't really want to take over is, you don't have the player hurt gets hurt, you're fucked. But, I know, but now next week, do I get to do an extra bet because my guys was kind of a DQ or no. No, you lost. We only give DK. the DQ because he got hurt before the game is played. Oh, okay. Regardless. So, we'll do better. It's tough for us. Well, we literally.

We literally almost could not do worse. Okay. If your family's starving, please don't bet. All right. All right. PPR's better. I feel very justified. Craig is literally.

Craig's like, straight down the middle. Right in the middle. You know Craig's ideas? Craig is the middle child. Let's just cut the baby in half. The point of that story was that's not a good idea. That's not actually always the compromise.

That's a terrible expression, by the way. It's not expression. It's a story. It has a point. Two Christmases. That's the D.K. This is why people hate millennials. It's a participation trophy.

Just give the points for the fucking first downs. No one's going to do it. All right. Russ is in the burn book. I think that's all we got. We're really getting out of it today. Wait, so we really put Russ in the burn book? Wow.

This is a momental. I mean, if you have one other, my proposals are Russ or PPR can go in the book book. If you have any other proposals. I mean, no, I'm just like, I'm trying. trying to like come to grips with this, but it actually does make sense. But this is a momentous occasion, I feel like.

But he's it. It's like in all seriousness, it's like you held on to him for almost two months. He got you two single digit games and in the process has stricken your confidence to play him further. Like you held on to this guy and it's like you almost have to, I hope you held on to the whatever quarterback got you through the whole IR stint. I'm telling you, it's Carson Wentz and I'm thinking about it next week. Yeah. All right. Thank you, D.K.

Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Mike Wargon for producing this episode. Thank you, Lorne. Lorne. Thank you. The Paragon's. D.K.'s really just... Former Ringer editor, Ryan O'Hanlon,

sent me the Paragon's as a wreck. I still think that... That emailer who said that D.K.'s great music taste, but was, like, afraid to unleash it for a long time, it was correct. When he was just like, uh, Katie Perry. He was like, uh, Taylor Swift. He said, like, three. He's like, like, Jay-Z.

I was trying to relate to you fucking zers. His voice was, like, ring. He's like, uh, Usher. Who is hot right now on the billboards? Olivia Roderico. Yeah. I'm relentlessly upset.

I can't sing. Blue Stone? Oh, dude. Did you see the tweet? Did you see the tweet? Somebody, one of our listeners ran a half marathon. No,

a full marathon. No, I think it was half. Oh, that's that. Well, whatever he ran. Congratulations. I did see that. But he saw a street sign. There's a Blue Stone street sign.

He stopped to take a picture of it. I actually didn't even do the accent. It's late. I'm super tired. I didn't even do it that well right there. I'll do it better next. No, but you didn't finish story. The guy running it saw it and then for the next two miles was like trying to say it to himself in the head.

I don't know if you're saying it to himself out loud or not. I think I like to think in my heart that that helped him break through the wall at the end of the half marathon and make it fully. Or we built a wall in front of him. And he probably did terribly because he was just trying to be like. wheezing and being like blue stone. Yeah, but that was probably very good for his breathing and whatnot. So yeah, I'm going to take that to my heart. In through the nose, out to the mouth.

Craig's like this. It's too late for this. All right. Goodbye, everyone.