The Ringer NFL Show - Week 11 Recap: Herby Fully Loaded, Flowers for Josh Allen, Night Night Niners, and Tyson’s Cheeks

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 11 action by going through categories such as “Who Won Week 11?,” “FEELING NICEY,” and “Fart or Shart” (1:55). Later, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn Book (91:43). Winners and Losers (17:53) The Worst (Steelers) Play of the Day (29:12) The Oppenheimer Award (40:35) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (49:00) Intrusive Thoughts (62:40) FEELING NICEY (72:46) Play of the Day (74:44) The Arthur Smith Award (77:12) Worst Ref Moment (77:54) The Lucille Bluth Award (85:48) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Okay, so ringer fantasy football on Instagram and TikTok, ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. It sent us trivia for Monday. Send us fantasy court cases for our power on Wednesdays. We're going to go through all the games from Sunday. We have to start with Sunday at football. Craig, you're former Chargers third string quarterback. You are, you know, Los Angeles, not native,

but adopted Los Angelino. I feel like this game was genuinely like a the debutante, if you will, for the Jim Harbaugh, Justin Herbert, charges experience. And I actually feel like this game felt like a change in the Chargers' depressing history. Do you think I'm going too far? No. I mean, I played on the teams that were coached by Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley. And it did feel like in the second half, there was a bit of that,

the Staley residue, you know, you could feel it. everything slowed down. The crowd, the crowd completely changed. The crowd was kind of loud in the first half. Then in the second half, I remember the Chargers sacked Burrow and the crowd was like, okay. Like they were just completely taken out of it. But this is a credit to what Herbaud does, right? Like he kept this team afloat. I think, I don't know. This is more about Evan McPherson missing two field goals, really. But that stuff normally happens to the Chargers. So maybe things are getting better. Yeah, D.K., the Bengals were all, they, well, they almost had the biggest comeback in, or tied the biggest comeback in franchise history, 21 points.

They have the third biggest halftime deficit under the Zach Taylor era of 20 since 2019. But the Chargers, as Craig just said, always lose his games. Do you feel like this was an exorcism for the Chargers? Let me ask this question, D.K., is this a better win for the Chargers or worse loss for the Bengals? Better win for the Chargers. I think it's like, like you said, Craig, it's a vibes changer. And I think that's the one thing or the big thing that Jim Harvah does. I guess the good example of this is the way that he interacts.

and builds up his quarterbacks and tries to get their confidence up and tries to keep the energy up and puts all his belief in them. He's done this over the years with, you know, Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick,

go down the list. Like he's, he's very good at, I don't know, like instilling confidence in his team. I think that's like one of the things that the Chargers have struggled with over the years is like if things get tough,

they kind of fall apart. Things got tough. And, and, you know, the Bengals came back in this game. But the Chargers kind of hung with it. ended up, you know, outlasting the Bengals. I think this is like, you know, it's not going to solve all the Chargers problems.

And, you know, during the fourth quarter, we were like, Chargering intensifies. I Google, I searched Chargering intensifies on Twitter. And it's like, I saw something from like every season over the last like six or seven years. You know, it's just so funny. It's just like kind of in their DNA. But, but yeah, they, they won the game. They escaped it. And maybe this can be, like you said, an exercising of the demons.

And so the Chargers won this game 34 to 27. I mean, they were up 24 to 6 at halftime, and then the Bengals came back. The Bengals have to be the best four-win team I've ever seen in the entire life. I believe they went up 27-6, right? Because the Chargers then started the second half of the field goal, right? Yeah, honestly, yeah. Yeah, it was like a discount 20 to 3 comeback for the Bengals. And frankly, this whole two-minute warning, it was almost like that Bill's Chief's 13 seconds game

where everyone kept scoring after the two-minute warning if nobody scored. Because, I mean, the Bengals missed a field goal after the two-minute warning. and then the Chargers gave them the ball back in 22 seconds, and then the Bengals took up 41 seconds and then gave the ball back. So the Bengals ended up with three failed drives after the two-minute warning, which is incredible. And so there was like a lot of mismanagement. I think there was a lot of misclock management.

I don't know. I feel like before the comeback and everything with a threat of the charges, like losing and blowing this game and it being another one, the story of this game to me was, one, just how incredible Justin Herbert was. And then later it was how incredible Burrow and Justin Herbert was. But I feel like we have to give Justin Herbert his flowers. This game, to me, frankly, I feel like Justin Herbert, watching him tonight, the arm strength, the movement, the literally just the way he's able to, we used to term laser too much, the lasers that Justin Herbert throws. You know, we've talked to all season about history doesn't repeat, but sometimes it rhymes.

Justin Herbert to me feels like the spiritual successor to Andrew Luck. And I feel like tonight, Justin Herbert made me feel the way I used to feel watching Andrew Luck play. And this whole Chargers team to me feels like if, like obviously Jim Harbaugh was Andrew Luck's coach in college. And I kind of felt tonight like I was watching Jim Harbaugh if he had gotten the chance to coach Andrew Luck in the NFL. I really do feel that way.

I don't know. I am officially like all in on this Jim Harbaugh, Herbert, charges experience. And I think that they're right there with the bills and the chiefs in terms of the next five years in the AFC. Can I ask one quick question? This is a little bit off topic. When did we start saying give you give him his flowers?

I don't know. I think I started like two years ago and then we all started saying it. I don't like it. No, I don't like it either. You're right. Can we like it as a group? Can we sunset that? Yeah.

Yeah, we could do that. Except for when we're talking about Lafleur. But in what context do you give anyone flowers other than you're? like your partner or like a funeral. I know, it's weird. I just feel like at one point two years ago, everyone started saying it. I'm like, is this an old expression or did we all just decide one day that we start giving people flowers? I know.

How often are you giving people congratulatory flowers? Almost never. Right. I think my biggest takeaway was probably I feel really good for the Chargers because this, I mean, it's been so bad for so long. And Harbaugh, you know, like, go with me here a little bit on this analogy. it's not exactly apples to apples, but like, you know when a dad is like refusing to get, like the dad in the family, the family wants to get a dog, but the dad's the only one resisting it. And then when they get the dog, the dad ends up becoming like best friends, like inseparable

with the dog. Like me and my cat. Right. That feels like that is like Herbert and Harbaugh to me. Not in that Harbaugh was resisting it in any way or anything like that. But like the, the connection that the two of those, the two of them have feels truly like, I don't know if it's father's son, maybe calling her. A dog is bad, but they just have something about them. Watch, every time they play, they always cut to the warm up of Harbaub banging on his pads, punching him in the chest,

hitting his helmet. And Herbert's like loving it. It's like a dog like in a hose, you know? Trying to bite the water. Totally. You know what it's like the love of that guy at the park whose dog is like off the leash, but it's the best behaved dog there.

And he just has the little, what's the thrower of the ball, the little plastic stick that throws the ball? Yeah, I know. I know what you're talking about. I don't know what it's called. I don't know what that's called. I don't know what that's tennis ball like 100 yards. And it's like, yeah, it's like that guy and he has the dog and it's like the dog's off the leash.

But like they clearly love each other. Like they're in like a Jeep Wrangler commercial or something. I will be clear for the ghosts. Harbaugh's done this with all his quarterbacks with the pad thing like before the game. That's been like a tradition. Yeah. But I do agree with you 100% that this feels like true love for some reason. It's like there's something there.

They have like this weird connection. For some reason, it's like the highest level of male. bonding is like love shoving. But I think also it's okay if he doesn't. I mean, that's what a good coach does, right? He makes you feel special. But I think particularly with the Chargers, it's been so depressing for so long that it like feels even better.

This is not like a storied franchise or anything like that, like Michigan or the Niners. Like there's a fucking Chargers. Honestly, the Chargers have just as bad luck as almost the bills or the Vikings, except they're in L.A. and San Diego, and the best weather in like the entire world. So no one feels bad for them. But, I mean, yeah, it's like their luck has been as horrific as almost any team.

So, yeah, it's incredible. Honestly, they have it all. I don't know. I also, I think the reason I have so much belief, I don't know if the charges will be a Super Bowl contender this year. They could, though. But I look at this team is they're built the right way because they've built the team from the offensive line out.

And it's a cliche. But, dude, what Harbo said in February when he's like, the offensive line is the only position that makes everybody on the team better because it protects the quarterback, makes the running game better. And it makes the defense better too because it lets the defense rest. and they're like, let's run the ball. And it's all the cliches are true. And you saw, I feel like you see that tonight.

And like the fact that they have Slater and Joe all, I don't know. I feel like this team is so well positioned for, for as long as Herbert is upright. So can we, can we give T. Higgins his flowers for a second? Yeah, yeah. I just want to say, T. Higgins is the fucking man. And if the Bengals let him go, they're stupid. And wherever he's going to go, he's going to be awesome. And he plays football.

He honestly, you know why he gets hurt so much? And this is going to sound kind of cliche. but I think he actually plays football the right way. He plays a little old school. He plays like Jawan Jennings. These guys are like every time they catch the ball, they are fighting for the extra two yards. And that's usually when guys get hurt, right?

Instead of just ducking out of bounds, like a lot of wide receivers do, T. Hagan's is pushing it. He's got like some of the best hands in the league. He almost caught that Hail Mary. Dude, that was wild. He's maybe the best receiver in the end of, not the best because it's probably right there at Jefferson,

but he's one of the five best receivers in the NFL at high pointing the ball. He's always like extending his life. long-ass arms and catching it at the far point, to the point that when he, ironically, they lost because, yeah, he dropped the ball in the end zone, actually. But he's so good at that it actually makes you realize how much worse players are, like Quentin Johnston on the Chargers,

or Jerry Judy, who have to catch it on their body. And you only really notice it when Dentie Higgins is out there, like always catching it like three feet in front of the defender. And you're like, why can't other guys use their hands to catch a football? I just think he's awesome. And they were talking about him. Burrow, there was some quote that Burrow gave when, that Tariko was talking about.

And it kind of sounds like Burroughs telling the Bengals, like, hey, I'd really like this guy to be on my team next year. He's unbelievable. Him being like, we're a completely different team when he's on the field. I love him. He's one of my best friends on the team. We can talk about anything. Like, I didn't realize that I think everybody always assumes Burrow Chase, the LSU thing.

Right, right. It sounds like T. Higgins is, like, beloved in that locker room, and Burrow really likes him. I mean, I think Collinsworth said it during the game. He was like, you can't double team everyone. Like, you have to have a good second option. And I think it's harder to find. find guys like that, then you, then people seem to think or whatever. It's like, oh, they got to let

him go and then find someone else. Like, look at like Jermaine Burton or whatever. It's like, oh my God. You misjudged like a ball terribly in this game and obviously like total loose canon from a personality point of view. You know, Yosevasch or whatever, Yosevaash is the composer. He's a quality, yeah, he's a quality like role player, but like he's not going to be a good number two. Higgins is a game changer. Yeah. It's like having two ones essentially. And if you look at the good offenses in the NFL. They all have two guys. I feel bad for Burrow, man. I think Burroughs face is easier to read than

a lot of quarterbacks. He is visibly pissed after all of these losses. He looks like one of the more competitive guys in the league. At least that's how he like, he wears his competitiveness on his sleeve. So good, yeah. And I mean, I do feel for him. He's playing like the best football of his life. I mean, he was like perfect in the second half today. I really

think this Burrough season is going to be on the short list of like the best quarterback seasons ever that will not make the playoffs. Yeah. Right. It's actually insane. And it's not just like a run. It's basically since week three. He's just been on an absolute he's been shredding. And then, yeah, just T. Higgins

coming back. I also, I want to just note one other thing or two other things. Craig, I want to give you your flowers. Not really. I want, you text us during the game. I shouldn't have said it, very. No, no, we're never letting this one to go. But I will say the Bengals, and again,

because I know I'm sure all the Bengals fans listening hate me because I was out on Borough during the offseason. But I will admit that The Bengals got totally screwed at the end of the first half because there were like three flags that handed the charge of three points at the end of the first half. That was ridiculous. And there was a roughing the passer that was kind of like it was literally wrong.

And then Trahildjian can drag it down. Yeah, it was a, whatever. It looked like a horse caller. No, but horse caller is not illegal when you're in the pocket. No, it's, yeah. But they didn't call horse caller. They called it like roughing the passer. Which is BS.

Yeah. Terry McCauley, the ref on NBC comes on and says, was the wrong call. And then Craig text, you text the group, quote, I fucking hate the broadcast ref that comes in and completely disagrees with the call made on the field. Are you like mad you want them to like do something about it? Well, I'm just like, what is the point of this? If you can't get it right.

Like, so it's like they make a call in the field and then Terry swoops in and clearly disagrees. And I'm just like, to me it hurts the credibility of the game I'm watching. It hurts the credibility of the league. I'm like, if a ref is disagreeing on the broadcast. Why isn't the ref on the field making the same call? Why are they not on the same page? He doesn't work for them anymore.

It's to validate how we're feeling at home about it being a BS call. I just, I actually don't understand. I understand having a consultant to be like, can you teach us about a rule? But having Terry McCulloch is come in and be like, that's the wrong call. Yeah, but do you want them to agree with the rest like implicitly?

Don't bring them in at all. I don't want them there. Okay. That just pisses me off. And I'm like, cool. So they just made three incorrect calls in a row. They let the clock run past the two minute warning for some reason. reason.

Tariko didn't know what to say there. They ran a play. The horse caller thing. And then there was the missed intentional grounding. And Terry comes in. He's like, yeah, that was grounding.

It's like, I'm stunned by this because D.K., I feel like D.K., aren't you way angrier when the refs make a terrible call? And honestly, the ESPN guy, John Perry is like always like defending the refs terrible calls. And I don't like it.

That was a great call, Joe. And Joe's like, was it now? And Drake wins like, I don't like that was a good call. I'm actually like fine. If Craig is, like suggesting that the referee experts are just not part of the broadcast.

I'm actually totally fine with that. I don't care that much about it. But I will say I'd be way like matter if it was a guy that was coming in and essentially just being like a mouthpiece for the referees and defending them and like lying to us essentially. Like I actually appreciate that McCauley's like, yeah, that was really wrong. I agree. I don't understand.

You're going to be shocked, but I totally disagree. Right. It's actually the opposite. Yeah. The Danny Ivan's story. I just don't understand. I'm like, the idea that you're like pissed about a call

and you're like, that's not the rule. And then like a ref being like, yeah, that was the wrong call. You don't want to know that that was the wrong call. You'd rather just live being like, yeah,

I guess that's like they got it wrong. And then someone can confirm. Like, yeah, that was the wrong call in the moment. That's very valuable. Ignorance is bliss is the correct way to live. I do believe in that philosophy. However,

I'm just like, that's a conversation we can have. I don't, I just, I, it's not that I'm upset that Terry is like saying what he thinks, that's fine. But I'm just like, I don't want him there.

I don't enjoy a ref coming in to tell me that his coworker, his peer, is wrong. I'm like, well, then why aren't you on the field, Terry? I like, this is getting paid more to do. Because it's so much easier. I'm just watching an entire drive and the professionals on the field are just screwing up play after play. And then a retired professional is like, yeah, they're all wrong. And I'm like, well, then what are we doing here?

Well, you know what's funny? There is a meta answer to this. and then we could go back to the games that happened. There is a small dynamic where, like, it started with Mike Pereira on Fox, because Fox figured this out first, right? And they were like, oh, the ref in the booth when no one knows what it catches is.

It's pretty helpful. Yeah, no one knows the rules. There's too many rules. Well, it really started in Mike Pereira, like no one knew to catch us. But here's, then everyone realized, wait, I can make 10 times the money to work one day a week and not have to be screamed out all the time

and people will like me. And like, I could just mansplain all these rules to everyone for like a fraction of the work and 10 times the money. Sounds pretty wonderful, actually. You know what happened? All the best refs retired to go to work for TV. So then they had the bottom four crews are so much worse than they used to be. It's the replacement rest.

They never left. Yeah. So yeah. Now we have Sean Hoculay, Ed Hockely's son because Terry McCauley left and Dean Plandina left and all those people. Yeah. It's like when like a stand-up comedian becomes a movie star and they're just like, they make like two movies a year, make 30 mil.

And then the stand-up comedians are still just out working like the, you know, working bars and whatnot. Yeah. like grinding. Yeah, now Sean Hockey is getting calls wrong in German. I just, I don't know.

I'm just like this, I don't, this is just a weird experience that I'm just watching one ref be like, that other refs wrong. And I'm like, figure out the refs that'll get it right. Pick the refs that'll get it right.

Put them on the field. There were a lot of them today, though. There was a particular amount of blatantly wrong calls. Yeah. I don't know. All right. We can get it to winners and losers right now. I feel like the,

I feel like the big winner that they has to be Josh Allen in the Buffalo. bills. You know, the bills beat the Chiefs 30 to 21. There are now no unbeaten teams left in the NFL because the bills beat the Chiefs. Josh Allen completed 27 of 40 passes, which is 68% completion, 260 plus yards, a touchdown a pick, 12 carries for 55 yards, including the fourth and two touchdown run to seal the game. That was tight. Yeah, I mean, I mean, DK, it's what you always said about Josh Allen right now.

D.K. You want to give Josh Allen flowers? McLaugh it. McLaugh it after they do like he shoots the gun. He's like tight. What's having two guns like? No, yeah, the Josh Allen play was like another version of the Lieutenant Spears lore for Josh. If you don't remember, I compare Josh Allen. I think it was last year in January at some point. I can't even remember what the exact play was.

But to Lieutenant Spears from Vayner Brothers where the tenant Spears, he like literally ran through the German lines in this town to get to the other side. And everyone was like so shocked that he was doing it. They just like didn't shoot him. And they were like, what the hell? And this is like Josh Allen. Every time he gets on his horse and goes, he just turns into like you can't. The opponents like are so shocked they don't even know what to do.

They can't tell him. No, they're not ready to hit a quarterback because the other 16 quarterbacks they play all year. They're just like, hey, by the time he gets to the secondary, he's going to slide. Don't hit him to be 15 yards. Josh Allen's barreling through. They're like, oh, oh, I got to tackle him. All right, Craig. You have been begging, demanding that Josh Allen wins an MVP this season.

I feel like if he does win MVP, this fourth and two run will be the moment we remember from the season. Do you want to take this moment to give Josh Allen his flowers? We need to all acknowledge that Josh Allen deserves his flowers and we are presenting them to him. Is it like the wreath of flowers that goes around the horse's neck when they win? Oh, yeah, like the derby. I imagine it like an old school bouquet that you give to like the winner of an Oscar or something. we gotta give them their flowers I kind of like the idea of Josh Allen

though getting like a horse yeah sure I mean he ran like a horse on that last play Josh Allen does this stuff every year so I'm like this was not like some something that we're not used to that oh my God that's gonna be the Josh Allen play he's so good he does this all the time

it's great that they beat the Chiefs I said this on the Thursday show I'm sick of these games because the bills always beat the Chiefs and then in the playoffs the Chiefs will beat the bills fourth straight year the bills to beat the Chiefs in the regular season. That's bizarre. Savvy moved by the Chiefs, you know.

You lose a game. Now you kind of kind of reset. You get motivated again. The bills are kind of the one team you're going to have to beat to get to the Super Bowl anyway. Now you can head into the playoffs with a little bit of fuck you attitude

towards Buffalo, the team that beat you. Maybe Buffalo's guard is a little bit down now. This is a classic savvy play here by the Chiefs. We're giving the Chiefs flowers for losing. I have to give the Chiefs flowers

for this loss. Smart loss. Yeah, no. I can't think of anything that would piss off Bill's fans more we'd be like, God, Greg and James. Smart, savvy loss. Incredible loss. Incredible job.

I will say, the Chiefs really stopped the run. Like, the Bill's running backs didn't have a carry over eight yards. And then Josh just gave in with like 55 yards and that like run at the end. I wonder if the NFL, I don't know why I just said the NFL, the MVP odds. The NFL MVP odds, I want to see if they've changed because the only person ahead of Allen was Lamar Jackson, who had obviously not a great game today. So I wonder if Josh is now first. Lamar didn't play great, but it's funny to be that, like,

Lamar is going to definitely fall out of first place for MVP odds, even though, I mean, the Ravens are my loser for the day, but Lamar didn't do anything that wrong. I mean, the Ravens lost 18 to 16. The Ravens lost by two points in a game that the Steelers did not score a touchdown. The Ravens, they lost by two points, even though they missed two field goals. I love doing this. I know.

That's the second game they've won this week, this year, where just only field goals? That's correct. Yes. Yes. Dude, the Ravens, they missed two field goals. They fumbled,

Derek Kennedy fumbled the first play of the game to a former stealer. And then they fumbled the last drive of the first half into another former stealer. And so the Steelers got field goals off both those. That right there is 12 points. So that right there is turning a 10 point win into a two point loss just with those four plays. And I, I don't know. It is such a classic, like Mike Tomlin Steelers game.

There's a real bar fight. I mean, this was, like, just in a mud pit. And it was honestly, like, who was going to get the last punch and the Steelers got the last punch and won this game? In reality, I mean, if Justin Tucker doesn't miss those two field goals, I'm not sure how this game turns out. But again, I got to say, I think we have to give Pittsburgh their flowers. I was kind of, I was kind of like, I'm not sure what tier of this team is in.

I do think now, I think the lions are in a tier of their own. But I'm like, it's hard to say now that the Steelers are not, the rest of these guys. I mean, no, it's not, it's easy. The Steelers are not as good as the Lions. That's ridiculous. No, no, I'm saying the Lions are in Tier 1, but alone. And I'm saying the Steelers are now in that group of like the next guys

on the list of contenders, the non-Lions essentially that can win the Super Bowl. I think the Steelers have to be there right now. I mean, I think they're the best defense in the league. Maybe it's still Minnesota. But the Steelers, I mean, the Ravens were leading the league in points per game, I think, unless it was the Lions, held them to 18 points. The fumbles,

the, Peyton Wilson, with the amazing strip interception. Oh, yeah, that was a crazy play. You never see. Lamar completed 48% of his pass as easily a career low. John Harbaugh has now lost eight of nine games to Mike Tomlin. Craig, are you, I remember you suggested Tomlin always kind of like tweaks out at the end of games. Like his end of game clock management and stuff is a little suspect.

I thought like low key, one of the best plays of this of this game or best decisions of this game was right after the Ravens scored their touchdown. really late. It was like there's one minute and 11 seconds left. Lamar Jackson hit Zay Flowers for a touchdown. And they were going to go for two. And right before the snap, they called time out. Yeah. And that play looked like it was going to score. It looked like they were going to do a pop pass or something.

Yeah. Or I don't know, maybe it was just like a quarterback keeper. Yeah. Yeah, I did look like a jump pass. That's what I meant to say. Yeah. And that time out, I think, was like honestly the play of the game because the next play, they tried to do like a quarterback keeper to the left and it got totally stuffed. but I think that that two-point conversion was going to work. Well, and so the two-point conversion would have tied the game at 18,

and I'm not going to lie, something that never gets talked about with the Ravens. John Harbaugh, the Ravens have had some real mental errors and sloppiness that, frankly, if the Ravens, John Harbaugh, everyone knows John Harper is a great coach, he's a phenomenal coach. But like if the Jaguars and Doug Peterson had committed 12 penalties today and led the league in penalties, led the league in penalty yardage, and then two-point conversion to tie the game, and then they come out of the timeout with the two-point conversion.

The guys don't line up right. The receivers don't run the right play. Lamar Jackson runs expecting a route that is not there, and they lose. And that was like a different coach. Wouldn't we be shredding the coach? What would we be saying about like Robert Sala if that was going on? But like the Ravens do this and like John Harbaugh never gets any criticism. But dude, Tomlin and the Steelers look so much better coach

than the Ravens today. And frankly, obviously the Ravens are doing well. Their offense is great. But there are so many mental errors than the Ravens for a team that should be like a Super Bowl favorite. It's just over and over again. The Raiders game that they lost inexplicably.

They had 12 penalties in that game. It's just over and over again. The Ravens are shooting themselves in the foot. Are you saying we should take John Harbaugh's flowers away? Yeah. Yeah. I think that we should take, not all them, but I think some of the flowers.

Yeah. Some of the bouquet. Yeah, you got to take, I think maybe the filler. I don't know. No one ever wants to take any of the flowers, but like, holy crap. I got to say, with Russ,

D.K., I know, like, no turnovers, right? That's why there's a lot of close games, no turnovers. That's like what you want. Russ had one turnover today, but I don't really want to even put that on him. I kind of saw what he was doing.

During now, Washington, they were kind of not on the same way. He kind of stopped. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel like I trust him a little bit where I'm like, even if the play's breaking down, I know he's not going to do something incredibly stupid, and I feel, you didn't, I didn't know if I felt that way,

but it is nice. Like, I don't think the Steelers are going to be a team that can score like 35 in the playoffs. I do think they're going to have to win games like this, which I think they can with their defense. But it really does feel like for now, like this is a great little fit they have here. Pickens and him are developing more and more chemistry that another great Baltimore really tried to limit the deep balls,

and they basically did except for that one deep one to Pickens. Can we also say actual flowers? Chris Boswell. Chris Boswell has never discussed as the best anchor in the league, and he is. T.J. Watts said that. T.J. Watt said that today, and I was like, damn, I thought those are the snipe at Justin Tucker,

but it's true. Chris Boswell is the best kicker in the league. I think that has to be. He's been the most consistent nails kicker for like a decade now, pretty much for the Steelers. Six field goals today. First kicker in NFL history with six plus made field goals in three career games. First got to do it twice in one season. Did it twice this year just.

Yes. I mean, he's won two separate games without Steelers. scoring a touchdown. I can't remember the last time he missed a field goal. And if he does, it's in an insignificant moment. Knock on wood, you psycho.

I'm just saying, even when he doesn't miss it, crazy thing. The hyphins is burned it up inside hearing you say that, Craig. I just can't. The idea of saying that about my own Super Bowl contender team gives me hives. D.K., when you watch the Steelers, do you find yourself impressed by Pittsburgh or just revolted by what they turn their

opponents into? No, no, I find myself impressed for sure. they're like a I think it's like we say this like they drag other teams down into the mud as it but I don't think that's like

a pejorative necessarily or it's like you know it used to be derogatory but now it's complimentary because because like I just think they can play with anybody they keep every game close it feels like and they have some good skill players that can make magical plays George Pickens like once a game makes some crazy ass play

like Russell Wilson still has a little bit of magic in him I thought Naji look pretty good today especially considering he's been kind of banged up. I don't know. They're just like one of those tough teams. And then I think I text Craig this like once a week. T.J. Y.

absolute menace. Like just a menace out there. And so yeah, they're an impressive team. I don't know if they're like the, like Craig said, not the best team in the NFL, but they're like pretty good.

And they can like, they can play with anybody. So on that note, we actually, we have to go a little out of order here because on Sundays we usually have. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, please.

We're going to leave the Baltimore Ravens game without giving flowers to say flowers. Oh. for dropping. We weren't leaving the game. We were staying on the game. But you want to give flowers? Will you give him flowers or do you want to take him away?

He dropped the ball. When Craig said, let's talk actual flowers. I thought you were going to say Zay flowers. Oh, no. He did score a touchdown. He also dropped a crucial pass that probably lost him to game. Ball hit him in the solar plexus. Okay.

I don't actually want to give him flowers, but his name is literally flowers. Yeah, just call him his middle. What's his middle name? We'll call him that. I will know. We have to. So usually we do the worst play of the day later in the show. And I was going through my notes.

every single thing I wrote down was just from the Steelers. And so I just want to go through the worst Steelers play of the day. And I think we should just decide this right now. Okay. I have on the worst Steelers play of the day, you mentioned Craig,

the Russell Wilson end zone pick where they were up by, I think, and then he just like did two twirls on a third down instead of throwing it out of the back of the end zone through it directly to a defender. They're up five. So even if it was an incompletion, they would have gone up eight. They kick a field goal.

They score there. The game's kind of over. It was brutal. Totally. Actually game altering pick. the George Pickens floor is lava catch where he did like the bizarro instead of a tow drag he put his one foot inbound

with four yards to go and then stretch his foot like he did like a split as far as possible to stick his left foot out of bounds I've never seen it in an entire life I won't hear this slander Is that not what happened? He tried as hard as he possibly could by accident to get out of bounds

He skipped a step No he tried as hard as possibly could to get the first down. He was trying to stand forward. He didn't know, well, it was close. He was making sure that he got the first down, which a lot of receivers don't do. By stepping the ball out of bound.

Like, he got confused. Like, he literally stepped. Yeah, he got confused. He was trying his best, all right? He was trying to sit with the first down. Two weeks ago, he's tapping his right foot twice with no left leg down. This week, he's tapping his right foot once. He could have stepped five times if he wanted to.

And instead, he just, he literally left, like, he put his foot out like six feet. if I'm his coach, I pat him on the helmet and I say, good effort. Love you. Okay. This takes me about our next worst Steelers play the day. George Pickens on the first drive, he caught a screen four yards behind the line of scrimmage, made a guy miss, and then past the line of scrimmage marker.

You know how they have the little down markers. He looks up, he thinks it's the first down marker, and he signals for a first down. But it was the line of scrimmage. Hilarious. I thought it was, I have never seen that at any level of football. Pickens is the best. Yeah. He literally, it was the third play of the game,

but he looks up. He's like, I got a first. It was like a two-yard catch. Anyway. Also, Justin Fields slid before what he thought was a crucial first down and did the same thing. I think that's way worse. A day. Yeah.

This is like the worst. Dude, you had one job. Wait, if you don't know what we're talking about it. So they Russell played the whole game and then on a crucial, it was really smart. I think I forget, I think it was second or second and 10. Yeah.

Second and 10. And it was one of those like the rain. They're trying to ice the game away. Yeah, it's under the two minute morning. One first down wins the game. Yeah, first down wins the game. And they put Justin Fields in because they're like, you know what, we're not going to pass. Let's just get an extra like, let's get an extra guy.

And so Fields is going to do a keeper. Fields does an option. Perfect. Just runs like untouched for eight yards. And then instead of just running the two yards, quarterback brain kicks in and he slides. He slides at the ninth yard where he starts. And because you're down when you start, he creates a third and one instead of ending the game. And now they have to.

Oh, my God. Literally almost. his brain short-circuited. That was the first slide of his life. I was also like, dive forward. I don't know why you didn't dive forward. It worked out. I like the call having him in the game.

I actually thought that was really smart to have him there. It was. I actually thought that was like one of my main takeaways from the day was how many games were settled by rushing quarterbacks. Justin Fields kind of did end up settling that game for the Steelers. Tassim Hill, frankly, like single hit. We'll get to him in a minute. But he kind of ended the Saints game,

just like this running power sweeps in the quarterback position. Josh Allen ended. the Bill's game. Geno Smith ended the Seahawks game. I really do feel like, like, quarterbacks just either perp as designed rushers or as like impromptu rushers, just frankly, like they were just like

the bucket getters of the day. And it just reminded me that's much some sick of Daniel Jones. I don't ever really want to go back to having a statue pocket passer that can't do that. I think a quarterback making a first down or scoring a touchdown just as a scrambler, especially like on third downs, is the most demoralizing play

for a defense that you can have other than like a touchdown, you know, giving up a touchdown. I just think it's so demoralizing if you play really good coverage, you get to the quarterback and flush him out of the pocket and then he just picks up a first down.

And it's like you can't hit him because he slides or runs out of bounds. It's just like to me the most, it's like the toughest play for a defense. It's like a, well, it's like the new, it's like a third phase now of offense. It used to be like, can you run and can you pass? And now it's like, can you run?

Can you pass? And can the quarterback run? and seeing people like Herbert even now who's like feeling healthy and clearly looks at because he's running so much more that's just like a new dimension that's like something that's in his head now

when he drops back because he is like I can take off now for 15 yards. So even if the run game isn't working if their past game is working Herbert being able to run now it's just going from two dimensions to three for every offense

if you have that. I totally agree. I think you saw that at the Seawks-Niner's game today, DK because one Brock Purdy you know, Brock Purdy was dunking on the bylaw and then this quick little shit out there every time. He's just making first downs. He's escaping pressure. He's like making

something out of nothing. He's a very, he's a very, like, frustrating rusher. That was actually something I was thinking up while we were talking about this. Like every time that seemed like they got a bottle up, it's this little shit just, he squirts out of there and he goes and gets a first down. You know how some people hate small dogs? I feel like those people don't like Brock Purdy. No, I thought he played really well, actually. Some little Maltese. Yappy little dog, but I'm a small dog person. I, I'm a small dog person. I grew up with small dog, so I love Purdy. But, DK, the Seahawks won 2017 over the Niners, and did you have a wonderful, enjoyable time watching your team win a football game?

Familiar feeling following another Seahawks win. Misery. That was just, I was like so stressed the whole game. I told you guys before the week, like, playing the Niners is just really frustrating. It's like a torturous event. Thankfully, for the Seahawks, Bosa went out a couple times in this game with a hip injury. and the Seahawks scored all 20 of their points when Bosa was on the sideline. I saw that stat from Brady Anderson. So that was helpful to have him not be in there. But yeah, I mean, I think it was funny because the Seahawks, I was getting all these texts like late in the fourth quarter,

the Seahawks are so frustrating. I hate this team. I hate watching them, blah, blah, blah, like, you know, all these frustrating texts. And then like five minutes later, they won the game with an awesome Cheetos Smith drive. I was like, this is just classic Seahawks. Like, this is what I went through for so many years with Russell Wilson. And Gino was nails in the end.

I think that's the one thing I will say about the Seahawks team this year that I've been really impressed with is in most of the games. I wouldn't say all of the games, but most of the games, they've been pretty good about like staying tough and staying in it and sticking with it, especially on offense. Like if they make a bad play, they come back and keep going. They don't like crumble under the pressure and start to derail or whatever. I think maybe like one or two games that has happened. But like for the most part, I've been pretty impressed with their toughness. And in this game, like High Fitz mentioned, Gino Smith ran it in with like 12 seconds left from. I think it was like the 12 or 15 yard line.

And I mean, they just showed incredible, like, toughness to stick with that game because it felt like that felt like the worst game for so long. It was so frustrating to watch. And they ended up winning. And then the flip side, the Niners ended up losing. So, I mean, they're five and five, this team that, like, made the Super Bowl last year. And, like, went to overtime in the Super Bowl.

The Niners are five and five. And, I mean, there's a lot of takeaways from that. They all sound miserable. And they all, you know, I mean, Fred Warner, the linebacker, who's probably one of the, the three or four best defenders in football had a very disappointing, like just a crushing quote where he was like, I'm paraphrasing, but he basically was like, it's tough. We made a lot of mistakes. That's not really who we are. And then he pauses and he's like, well, until we stopped doing that,

I guess that is who is who we are. And I really think that is what happens to so many teams who lose the Super Bowl is like you hype yourself up. You have to believe you're the champ until you before you are the champ. So they believe you are. And then the season after is like to slow realizing that like you're not that person. And it's like you see it happening with the Niners this here and it's crushing. But this quote I saw from Josh Dubow at the Associated Press blew my mind. There have been 125 coaches that have coached 40 games that were decided by seven points or less. So one possession games. 125 coaches have coached 41 possession games. And of that, of the 125 coaches, Kyle Shanahan is seventh to last in winning percentage in those games. Seventh worst in winning one

to possession games. That blue, that, that's pretty, that's pretty damning. He's like a tragic, he's a tragic character. I know. It doesn't feel like it's going to get easier either. You know, I don't know if he's going to have to like change teams or something or, you know, go to Thailand or something and come back. But there's an idea. I think the biggest issue with the Niners this year is that I think they're not able to get that same push and generate like those big play runs. And in general, I just don't think they generate chunk plays anymore. Like, that was the Niners' bread and butter.

Like, what the Lions are doing now is, like, what the Niners used to be. The Niners had one play of 20 plus yards today. This is, like, not who they are. Everything looks so much harder now. Again, George Kittles out. And I think I'm sure a lot of people probably, like, didn't realize George Kittle was out and probably played him in their lineup or whatever. Didn't realize he's hurt.

So he's hurt. Debo, again, Debo does not look healthy at all. Ayyuk is out for the season. Christian McCaffrey's not, like, 100% himself. And so, again, the healthiest guys in this team are Joanne Jennings coming up from hip injury. And Ricky Parasol, who shot two months ago, like, really is like, what are the healthier guys? And I don't say that as a bit.

It's actually true, which is kind of, like, nuts. And so you look, but the flip side is like the Niners don't have a real drop-back passing game, and they never have with Shanahan. And like that, I think that's really what the stat is. It's kind of like how the Falcons blew all those leads. And it's really because the Falcons have no pass rush. Shannon doesn't have a drop-back passing game and you see it. DK, I'm not going to hold you this.

Gut call. Do you think the Niners signed Purdy? Do you think the Niners re-signed Brock Purdy? or do you think that Shanahan Purdy is like going to get the man at the blame and sit Shanahan subconscious? Is he going to go the way of Jim and Caraplo is the question you're asking? Yeah, because

I feel like once you sign Purdy you're kind of admitting that like this is the guy and there's no more excuses. There's no one to blame. Right now I think they will. I still think they will. I think they have to but yeah. I was just looking at their stats right now. I didn't realize pretty only threw for 159 yards.

It felt like it was more than that. I guess this was just kind of one of those, like, grinded out games where, like, we were just talking about with the Steelers where they drag each other down into the mud and just kind of, like, fight. But, like, I don't know, it felt like he played a little bit better than that. Maybe I'm wrong. That was just first pass. But I do think that I'll end up going with them.

Who else are they going to have a quarterback? That's the thing. It's only as good as your alternatives, but I think they're going to have to pay them. But that's the thing is, I don't know. I still think that Shanahan is on the Andy Reid Eagles path where they had this peak and it's going to be a very bitter falling out. And I think that Shannon, it's going to be an amazing coach at his next stop. But I think that this is going to be unwelcome.

I know that's a fucked up thing to say, but like this was a really good run. And then you get stuck in the purgatory of you're way too good to like, you're not good enough to win the Super Bowl, which is the only thing good enough now. But you're way too good to rebuild. And you get stuck there. And then people get sick and then you need a new spot. They're now, they're last in the division. They're 10th in NFC standings right now.

10th. That's insane. They're close to the Giants. They have not beaten a team this year that currently has a winning. record the Niners. Yeah. It's really tough. All right. The the I Am Become Death Oppenheimer Award for the player who went nuclear.

Dude, Tasem Hill. The Taysam Hill who is listed as a tight end, plays tight end, fullback, wide receiver, slot receiver quarter. Taysim Hill, this is why he's a football player. Sure. He is just a football play in Jesse. A cloice box. A regular

closest thing we've got. He's an end. Yeah, he's an end. But Coy's, so Taysam Hill, most points by fantasy points by any tight end in any game all year. Tastom Hill at eight catches for 50 yards. He had seven carries for 138 rushing yards and free rushing touchdowns. And he had three, he had two passes, one of which was intercepted. He was absolutely insane.

Cat Terrell. And he threw a pick. He's the closest thing to Ladani and Tomlinson that we have nowadays, really. Honestly, yeah. He's, honestly, Tasson Hill. He's, honestly, Tassim Hill is, I don't know if we'll ever see this. Weirdest player of all time. He's like a high school player.

He had a 75-yard touchdown run today. He's 34. He's the one other 34-year-old players or do you get anything like this. That's honestly a good point. We don't talk about that enough with Taysamil. He's actually one of the oldest players left the NFL. He ran everybody on the other team for 75 yards. Rahim Moster's the second oldest player behind it, but Taseable's really a running back at this point.

Riemosters just dust. He's like 32. And then Derek Henry. Like Tatea Moster's by 5. far the oldest, like, guy doing anything like this in the NFL. He's the weirdest player of all time. I saw this from Ryan Heath. There's two players or two games in NFL history where a player with a tight end

designation has scored three plus rushing touchdowns. And it's Tayson Hill in 2022 and Tatea him today. He's the weirdest player of all time. There's so much better with him at Derek Card. The goal. They tried to make him the starting quarterback for like a couple years there. Do you remember this? He's the weirdest player of all time.

If he had a better arm, he could do it. But he's what we wanted Tebow to be. Yeah, dude, he is what he is what he is what the mind's eye was for Tim Tebow, 100%. But Kat Terrell at ESPN, ESPN research at this, Taysmills, the first player with free rushing touchdowns, 50 receiving yards and a completion in a game since Ed Potalak, potillac in 1971. Ed Potalak. I don't even know who that is.

Somebody tweeted at me today. I got to try and find this. It was like on the seventh day of Chris. Taysam Hill gave to me. It was like 70 rushing yards, three touchdowns. It was just like listing off his stats. He just does a little bit of everything. One fumble, one pick.

Big game for the football guys. The other one, the other next best tight ed was Brock Bowers for the Raiders. Who's another just a football guy? Dude. Bowers is so good. Bowers is better than I even thought he was going to be. I was like obsessed with this guy. He had a cool 41% target rate today.

That's at a tight end spot, which is wild. He is now, let's see here. He had 16 targets, 13 catches, 126 yards of touchdown. 13 catches is the most ever for a rookie tight end. And I want to see on the year right now, hold on, I'm going to pull it up. I want to see on the year where he is it catches because like coming into the Sunday night game, he was like fourth. So right now, Brock Bowers, among all tight ends and receivers. So basically all players is second in the NFL and catches.

Only Jamar Chase has more catches than Bradford is right now. That's outrageous. Wow. 70 catches. on the year. And they had their buy. He has more catches than Amon Ross St. Brown. He has more catches than Malik neighbors, C.D. Lamb, Justin Jefferson. Like, this is wild what he's doing.

And tight end is supposed to be the hardest position to, like, learn and like notorious. I mean, there's a reason that the only guys who had a thousand yards as a rookie at tight end were like Mike Dick and Kyle Pitts. Like, it never happens. And I don't think there's, there's nothing fluky about it either. I think is the one thing I want to say about it. It's like when you watch him run routes, like he's separating. He's breaking guys off on routes.

They're running ISO stuff to him on the outside. he's lining up in the slot. You know, he gets rushing attempts. He is everything I think we wanted him to be in more. Like, it's awesome to see. So much fun just to watch out there. Austin, Austin Gail here at the Ringer tweeted this,

and he's a tortured, really sad Raiders fan. And this is the only light in his entire life. But he, like, you know how Pukukukua obviously broke the record for catches by a rookie last year? Brock Bowers has more catches than Pukina Kua did at this point last season. And he's a tight end. Like, this is, like, that's not a supposed to be. to be a thing. Tight ends, like, generally are not supposed to compete with receivers for any kind of stuff.

That's why Kelsey and Kittle were so amazing. Rookie tight ends have, like, never competed with rookie receivers for anything of any kind. It's actually kind of nuts. So, yeah. He's on pace for 119 catches. We undersold Bowers because we were burned by Kyle Pitts, but right. 100 cents. Yeah. He's what we wanted Tim Tebow and Kyle Pitts to be in. So we should give Brock Bowers as Rock Flowers. There you go. There should be one flowers in the league, and that's not saying. It's Brock.

Boom. No, it's Brock Flowers. The other just Oppenheimer, honestly, it's just the Detroit Lions. Well, it's, yeah, particularly, I think you have to give it to Goff, who had 412 yards and 4 touchdowns. 35 fantasy points most on the day by a quarterback. Only fantasy can make you upset at a 400-yard for touchdown performance. because the week prior I lost because I needed like the most

average game ever out of Jared Goughney through five fucking interceptions. I was texting you guys as this game was unfolding because the first three lines touchdowns were runs, which is typically how it goes in Detroit. It's hard because passing is like an afterthought

for this team and drafting him. Gough's not a mobile guy. He basically needs to throw touchdowns to get you anything. And unfortunately, every time they get with the run in. They're so goddamn good at it.

He doesn't ever have to throw. They run because they can. Yeah. And then they're up by too much and you're like, oh, they don't need to throw. Thank God Dan Campbell likes running up to score because they basically golf got all his points in the second half when they were up 30.

So, yeah, I mean, they had a franchise record 647 yards today. They scored 52 points. It's the second time this year they've done that. They had seven touchdowns on seven drives. Craig, Craig, I saw this stat from the 33rd team. This was the third most. total yards for any team this century, 25 years, 24 years. Third out of 14,000 games, this is the third most yards any team has put up.

I think we're reaching a point with the Lions where it's like, if they don't win the Super Bowl, like, it's kind of a disappointment. Yeah, it's a disappointment. No, it's totally just, I mean, they've never made a Super Bowl, so making the Super Bowl would be the furthest the franchise has ever gone. I know this is like the old and the jinx, but like, and I'm sure Lions fans are like, shut up, shut up, shut up, but like, if this team doesn't win the Super Bowl, I'm going to be pissed. I mean, they were leading, they blew a lead to the Niners who could never come back on anyone for the NFC championship.

So yeah, they didn't make the Super Bowl. Like, they're the only team that's ever lost like Shanahan come back from elite. The other one I have, I saw the Lions outgained the Jaguar. This is from Michael David Smith at Pro Football Talk. The Lions outgained the Jaguars by 475 yards today. Out gained by 475. That's wild. The biggest yardage differential in an NFL game since 1979.

Wow. Which is wild. Crazy. Yeah. They out gained them by almost 500 yards. Yeah, that's, again, it's, it's really like, there was a lot of high school stuff today. Tastom Hill looked like that's a high school thing. Yeah, where a guy like, threw passes and like ran for three and caught.

Like, that's a tape. Like, and he's playing special teams. Like, that's high school stuff. The Lions today, it looked like, I don't know, it's like, it's like Georgia playing the Citadel and they paid him half a million dollars to show up for homecoming. Like, that's what the Lions game looked like. And yeah, there's so many stats. honestly, a couple more is worth it.

The Lions have a rushing touchdown in 24 straight games, the longest streak in NFL history. And their streak of 21 straight regular season games with the rushing touchdown is the longest since the dolphins in the 70s. And the other one that, because I'm obsessed with these, Amon Rous Saint-Brown is the eighth player in the 21st century to have a touchdown in eight straight games.

And the other guys in the list are like Randy Moss, AJ Green, Antonio Gates, Devanti Adams, Antonio Brown, West Walker. Like, Hall of Famers. All-famers. Well, maybe not Wes Walker, but yeah. So, yeah, well, RIP. On that note, just while we're here,

it is so over for Doug Peterson and the Jaguars because there were, like, reports before the game that if the Jaguars got blown out. There were reports before the game if the Jaguars get outgained by the most yards ever that he might get fired. If they're outgained by 500 yards, Doug Peterson would be fired,

and it's 475, so we're in the edge of our seats. If they lose to this team, he's getting fired. No, it's the worst. loss of all time. No, it is the worst, literally, the worst loss in Jags. I don't know if we even said the score. Jaguars lost this game 52 to

6. They lost 52 to 6. It is the worst loss in Jaguars history. Do you know how many games the Jacksonville Jaguars have lost so many? This was the worst one. The worst quarterback in Brown's history. Yeah, it's like the worst.

It can always get worse, kids. Anyway, I don't think it's like super interesting necessarily that Doug Peterson's going to get fired and all the stuff. Honestly, he's probably been fired by the time a lot of people listening. I think the real question is, I think that this is the favorite for Bill Belichick to be the head coach next year. You think he wants to go there? Yes. Stephen Ruiz has been on this.

I think he's dead on. No, I think that it has the three things you want if you're Belichick. Quarterback. Quarterback, control. That's not exactly. It's underrated how much the, and this is what I think Stephen nailed. The Jaguar's owner is willing to just just let the Jaguar's owner, like, it's not like other owner. he made his fortune like selling bumpers for cars.

It's incredible. And now we have some super yacht. But like he he gives total control to a guy. I got to get into the, this is a great. I just felt so, I was like, I'm doing the wrong job.

To Toyota. Just sells bumpers to Toyota. I know. But like Tom Coughlin got total control of the Jaguars. And then Urban Meyer got total control of the Jaguars. Like they, he likes the idea of like a celebrity successful person just running it and like they're in charge. I don't hate it. Let's do this. Yeah. So I kind of think it'll be Belichick. Do you think? Do you think they're

going to hire him midseason? Sorry, Craig. No, they honestly, I mean, the GMs have been high, the Browns hired John Dorsey back in the day in December. So like, part of me thinks Belichick would want to get a job. I mean, I don't know. Maybe he'd want more money, but like, he probably would want to interview with the Giants if they'd see. But like, I think one piece of context for this whole thing, too, is, uh, the owner, Shotcon said at the beginning of the season, this is the best team we've ever assembled. or something along those, I'm paraphrasing. Most talented, yeah, Jaguress history. That's tough. Brutal.

What are you Johnson said that about the Jets? Yikes. Oh, God. Yeah. Don't say stuff like that. Is that thing? Is that supposed to happen ever? I don't think so.

No. Not full time. No. No. Before COVID, there was a plan that the Jaguars were going to be a bi-continental team and they were going to do four home games in Jacksonville, and they were going to do four home games in London. And they were going to be like the,

they were going to like, They were going to be like the toehold for the NFL in Europe for potential expansion. And the NFL ultimately did want a team in London. And in their wildest dreams, they wanted to want in Germany. And then COVID just totally threw that out the window. And so the Jags are going to be in Jacksonville. But that's why they do the two games there. It's like the remnants of that plan.

But the Jaguars were going to be like this like the London Jaguars, basically. But yeah, Belichick, not going to do that. Anthony Richardson and Caleb Williams had these two drives side by side. I want to start with Caleb Williams. This game was nuts. But DeKar, what did you think of Caleb Williams and the Bears? I mean, the ending was little nuts because... I mean, yeah, to be clear, the Bears should have won on a last second field goal.

I think it was like 30 or 40-something yards. And it got blocked by Packers. Great play by the Packers. Obviously, you have to make the hike or whatever, not hike, the snap. You have to make the snap. You have to hold it. You have to kick it right. It's not automatic.

But you know why the guy missed... You know why that kick was blocked, right? because the ghosts were out there making X's with their little tutsis. We've got a lot of emails about that, Hyfitz. God damn right. So good job if you were not a Bears fan today. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football, Gmail.com, if you made the little X with your toes in front of an important field goal

and that it was blocked and now you believe in like a higher power of the universe. Welcome to the club. Which happens. But apart from that, I thought this was like night and day better for Caleb Williams than how he had been playing, especially the last like three weeks. I'm sorry to interrupt you, D.K. Can I just read just a various,

subject lines from the ringer fantasy football channel.com inbox right now. I've got a bunch of tweets about it. I'm just going to read the subject lines. People won't shut up about this. For Matthew, proof that Hyfitz is a genius. True. High fits field goal X wins the Packer game. The Toex really works. What about the people making X-s for Chris

Boswell to miss? That didn't work out. John says the X foot thing worked. High-fit superstition works. Kicker Hex works. Field goal hex works. Field goal X works. Superstitions work. Oh my God. That's literally those are all there. I'm sorry.

What were you saying, D.K., about your nihilism and no higher power? Whatever. I'll just accept it. Maybe it does work. No, but back to Kea Williams. I thought he played like, it was a night and day difference in terms of his poise, his confidence. His accuracy was quite a bit better. I think the big thing was with Thomas Brown, this new offensive coordinator.

The game plan you could tell immediately was get the ball out of his hands quickly. Like, we don't want you holding it and like running around trying to make too big of a play. We're trying to take a little bit off your shoulders and just run the offense and do that thing. and that's exactly what they did. I saw this from next-gen stats. Caleb Williams' time to throw this week was 2.4 seconds, which was the second fastest. Only Tua was faster,

and Tua gets through the ball so quick, as you know. Half a second faster per throw than his average this year, which doesn't sound like a lot, but that's like a massive number. If you think about like the extra beat that it takes for like a pass-risher to get to him and sack him, like that's huge. So I thought the game plan was really good. I thought they played pretty well.

They executed for the most part. He took a couple sacks, but like, you know, I thought overall they played well. And especially late, they made a couple of huge plays to get down there to get into field goal range and what they should have won the game. Like it should have been a huge celebration, you know, for Caleb Williams, beating the, beating the Packers. Like that would have been a huge rivalry win.

But of course, the kick got blocked. So on third down, I saw this from Christian Dandria. 10 to 12 passing on third and fourth down, four first downs and four carries for 40 yards and four first downs. He also did a lot with his legs. which I thought was a huge change and not a huge change, but like a good focal point for them to like use your legs to like get first downs, like keep people honest.

So, you know, overall, I think it was really encouraging. And I'm not like freaking out anymore as much about Caleb Williams as I was last couple weeks. Yeah, Shane Waldron sucked at his job. How this is the always direction I have is like, how bad were you at your job? Like, how bad were you? What did he did today? What do you think he was doing?

You know that feeling? Fish and maybe? You know what like? one of us is like on vacation or something and the other two do the pod and then you listen back while you're on a plane you're on vacation you're doing whatever and you're like oh wow they're pretty good without me they were good today it's not the best feeling in the world i feel like that is like times a thousand as a football coach and you leave and the second you leave your team looks 10 times better i think about this all the time with honestly i don't know if this is a word you could say but like it's it's like being

cucked. Like, I think all the time about how DeMara de Rosen must have felt when, like, he spent 10 years in Toronto. And then Kauai Leonard goes there for like two months and then just like immediately wins the NBA finals with the exact same team that DeRamara de Rosen has. And I'm like, what were you doing for the entire six weeks of the finals? Like just not watching basketball or being on the internet. Like, what the fuck were you doing? Like, yeah, I think it's actually probably brutal that to watch like everything be better without you. It's like your Jack Sparrow being left in the island of the ship sales off without you. And they're like, yeah, nope, good.

Hope you don't drown. Well, we're all happier without you, bye. Like, awful. It's tough feeling. Yeah. Sucks. Yeah, yeah. Probably a horrible profession.

No, but I will say the other, the flips, I really feel like this was like a wine pairing game with the multi-view and shout out YouTube TV because you had Caleb driving for what should have been a game winning. Freeze purposes. It was a game-winning drive. And then Anthony Richardson was side by side. The Colts went and won 20th to 27. They beat the Jets.

and Anthony Richardson. Again, night and day. Learn from the bench. Look like he did great. It's 11th NFL start, which is incredible. I believe that's also what Caleb Williams has. Am I wrong? Like 11 NFL starts?

10, 10 maybe? 10 or 11, I can remember. Number three quarterback on the day for fantasy. Basically tied an extra second. 20 or 30 completions. So that's two thirds, baby. Hell yeah. 270 plus yards a touchdown.

Richardson ran 10 times, two touchdowns on the ground, including the game-winning drive. He had Alec Pierce on the sideline with the whole shot. Then he hit Josh Downs. And then he ran it in for the win, absolutely smashed. I believe it was Jalen Mills. He was so like the poise was back. There was way more touch, I think, on his passes.

He still ripped him. He missed a few, but like he was just way more poised for sure. Poised, rhythm, touch. And then also still as a runner like destroying people. He still had those like things where like, oh yeah, this guy is like the closest we've seen to Josh. It looked like last year. Yeah, like this is why people were so excited about him coming into the season,

even though he only had like four games or whatever it was last year. Yeah, he looked, he looked like under control and in control of the game and in control of the offense. So much more than he had at any point, really, this season. It was like, it was a night and day difference. So whatever it is they did during those few weeks off, like it worked so far. Easily the most composed game of his career. Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like when

incredibly talented quarterbacks play poorly for a month. It's like maybe it's the really weird teams with the weird owners that are screw them up. Perhaps. So I hope you added Anthony Richardson. We suggest that on Monday. I hope you added him and if not,

go get him because he's fantastic. 28 fantasy points? Yeah. Yeah. And why we're so back, you guys, Brat Summer is over and now it might be time for Breeze Fall because we might be so back with

Greece. The Jets may have lost by one today to the Colts, but Brice, best fantasy day of the year, kind of back to back, big games here. I think he was the RB3 on the day, maybe RB2 on the day, 120 yards, two scores. Today was the first game of the 2024 season where I thought Breece Hall had a good play. And it was his 20-yard touchdown run. I was like, wow. It was like, wow. It's like, yeah, finally had a good play, I see, son. I'm giving Bree's the Paul Hollywood handshake today. Oh, nice. For the first time, the 20-yard run, he actually showed burst speed.

He reached the ball out over the pylon. I was like, that is what I had spent $55 on in August. And you know what? More importantly, what I liked is that when he scored, he showed emotion. He was pounding his chest. He actually celebrated. He heard you. Usually it looks like he's being forced to play against his will out there.

So it's like hostage. Yeah, he honestly does. So if you guys could rank the If you could rank like or if you in your dreams If you're playing the NFL would be like the top thing that you could do Other than like in the postseason like because obviously winning a Super Bowl would be like number one But like individual plays I think for me diving from like the five yard line and just sticking the ball out over the pylon has to be up there

Obviously making like a one-handed catch that sounds cool too But like for whatever reason I feel like diving into the end zone and just like barely getting the ball over the the pylon It's like the coolest thing you can. I actually, I want to do what Anthony Richards did it do, which is truck a motherfucker and through the goal line to win a football game. The Marshaun Lynch like, face, like, stiff arm in the face and bless them down to the ground, I think is a good thing, like, put them all the way on to the ground. I want to do that.

I would want to do the, the, the, the, the D.K. Metcalf, Buddha Baker, chase an interception down from across the field for a 90-yard sprint to take someone down and save a touchdown and win the game. The 30 second video that like 25 seconds of it is just like is that the most athletic person in the world? I think Craig at 499 could easily do that. Yeah, absolutely. We should make a list of that. We should

power ink that sometimes. Send us, yeah, like the best thing you can do. Or email. Or email. Email. Yeah, email is what you think the coolest thing you can do at a football. Why not bowl? Oh yeah. Pork and a little dose. emails at ringer fancy football at Gmail.com, what you think the coolest thing you can do in a football field is obviously in basketball. Obviously everyone wants to dunk. So like, it's just for football. What's the most like

You don't think it's dunk, Craig? Well, everyone wants to dunk in an NBA game. That's definitely true, but I think like if you could pick one moment, I think it would be like like the Steph Olympics three, I feel like is what you want. That's the moment you want to feel, right? It's like a buzzer beater three.

Yeah. Well, and that led to everyone's doing the night night. Gino did the night night. Steph did the night at the Olympics. I don't know if he did it before, but that was definitely the moment where everyone started. That's like his signature, isn't it? Steph has been doing that.

Yeah, yeah. No, I know he's been doing that. But did anyone else copy him until, like when he did that at the Olympics, now it's everywhere and every sport. Yeah, it's in the culture. Yeah, it's just thing. And now it's like everyone's doing it. They translated it to French on the sweatshirts.

It said like Nui-Nui-Nui because he did it in France. I was thinking about the night night. Because he did it in France. Because he did it in France. In France. The French. I think night night is the, this was in my intrusive thoughts. I think night night is the best sports.

celebration of this century. Wow. I can't, I can't, I, I tried to think of the other ones. There's the gronk, spike, because it can't just be something somebody has done once, right? It needs to be like a signature thing. No, it needs to be iconic. Something that they did like at a key moment. Jefferson with the gritty where it's part of the, it becomes in the water.

The gritty, I think there's a couple in contention. I think the, you're saying bolt doing the lightning thing. The lightning bolt thing is cool, but it's like he's not doing it enough. You know, you're not really seeing him that often. Yes. Once every four years. Tiger Woods fist bump, I think, is the number two, but it's a fist pump. It's like everybody does a fist pump.

It is iconic. He kind of does it from like, it's an interesting fist pump. Craig, this came up today. What about the Marshawn Lynch, hold my nuts? James Williams did the whole month. But here's like, how many contexts are you like jumping in air? It's a very small group of people who get to do that. See, and I think there's an extra layer to night night because it's telling me.

Hold my dick. Hold my dick. Wait, let me go. That's what everyone wants to do. What do we thought? I think I changed my mind. That's how I want to say. I'll run someone by so much that you could turn around, jump backward for the game winning touchdown and be like,

open it. Yeah, literally James and Williams doing that today. Do you think like he knew, was that was that his plan? Like if I have a long touchdown today, I'm doing that? Or did that just come up in the moment? Well, actually, Ian Rappaport tweeted this morning that if the Jaguars fell behind by exactly 46 points in James and James made eye contact with Doug Peterson while shouting hold my dick for a touchdown. He gets fired.

Yeah. Oh my God. Damn, maybe it is hold my dick. Maybe night, night second. That is so good. So hold my dick. So yeah, really we should give Marshall Lynch's flowers. They used to flag him for doing the hold my dick thing. Yeah, because he's grabbing his penis. Who cares? Who cares, dude? That's not a flag. What is a flag? It's not exactly rewarding. We should be rewarding it. We should be giving him his flowers for Give him more yards.

Yeah, give more points. The hold my dick thing came from like arguably one of the best runs of all time. Yeah, yeah. It was at the end of the beast lake. Yeah, the fact that it just came to him in that moment of like, like, you know what I mean? It's like actually. Oh, God. Everything about that was the fucking coolest.

I will say the night night at the end of the, like to win the gold, that's pretty fucking, like sick too. But email us at ring your fantasy football at gmail.com for what we're forgetting. This is a really good conversation. Yeah. What is the best celebrations? Steph did it. Steph doing it against the Celtics. when in the finals

in 22 was pretty iconic. I like it because it's like it's up to Steph when he deploys it and it's like when he feels like he knows the game is over, you know? It's just like so demoralizing. You just see the guy in the other team be like, I'm putting you to bed now. Go to sleep.

It's like the new equivalent of warm up the bus. Yeah. Do you guys remember? Do you ever remember doing that in high school? Warm up the bus. Well, the new one, Jamar Chase, Steph Curry has to put you tonight. Jamar Chase,

wiped like like changed the diaper on the football when he scored tonight like he I know yeah football's ass which is when they were losing yeah I know let's I was trying to think of more of the iconic celebrations and you can't I think I feel like you have to mention Michael Jordan well I that's why I went 21st century because okay I think Dekembe's finger wag is up there that's pretty yeah that was sure finger wag I mean that lingered into like that was a commercial about that like 20 years later Michael Jordan doing like the like you know when he was like on fire and he just kind of like shrugged yeah yeah. Yeah, yeah.

And then I, another name, when he hit the game winner over Craig Elo and, like, jumped up and, like, did the flying fist pump. Yeah. But that was like a moment. That's a one time thing. That was not like a Jordan. That's not like a celebration. No one else ever did that. Signature.

And, knock on wood, but I don't know what will happen if Steph does that and they end up blowing the lead. That hasn't happened yet. And then I don't know if it has to go away for like years. But, yeah, well, that's, you know, I think that's up to his discretion. He's got a perfect record right now. And you got to really choose wisely when you deploy that. Yeah, and while we're here, because we haven't spent enough time on this, Tom Brady, the most milk toast part of that motherfucker's legacy is that his defining thing that is now everywhere in all white male culture is, let's fucking go. Like, that's our whole thing.

It's like, that's the most boring, edgeless, sexless thing that could just be like everywhere. And now it's like every white man, anytime you do anything athletic, it's like, dude, let's fucking go. It's all from Brady. And honestly, it's so boring. And, like, we really could, we could do so much better than, like, let's fucking go. It's a good call. That's a good call. Even Gronk, he just, like, spikes the ball really hard, which is, like, it's all.

People have been spiking the ball for a hundred years. Well, that's on. He spikes the ball really hard. There's not much going on. Yeah, but the way he does it is pretty satisfying. It's like, yeah, it's kind of like it's, it's just a whole. He, like, doesn't bend his arm. It's almost like a windmill dump.

Yeah, it is. Fucking treachery. When he does it, I actually think he expects to create a crater in the ground. My entire life, anytime I like change the paper towel, we keep the paper towels in my house, like my parents' house in the garage. And if I would ever get them, I will throw them to my mom, and my mom will do the grunt spike with the paper towels. Like, that's like our thing.

That is. So, yeah. And then you yell, let's fucking go. It's just the lamest thing ever. That is the latest thing. Anyway, okay. I think it's all right. Any other intrusive thoughts while we're here?

Yeah, actually, unless you guys have, don't have any. I have a couple. Please. I think Juan Jennings is the best skill player on the Niners. More than McCaffrey? Right now, yes. I bet they wish they had not paid Ayuk. I bet they wish they had traded him to the Steelers.

I mean, he's been the best player on the team. They tried to, didn't they? He showed him in the facility and Shading ran upstairs and talked John Lynch out of it. I mean, honestly, that's like a cool story when then Ayuk's good. And then you look at the season, you're like, maybe that's like an extremely emotional way to look at this, like, drawn out negotiation. I know. I still think Ayuk is good, but I think Jennings has always been sneaky, sneaky, really good.

He's awesome. He had 10 catches today, 91 yards in a touchdown. He is their go-to third-down guy. He plays super hard. He's like fighting for every first down. He brings this team like emotion, one of the more fun players to watch in the league right now. I think he's awesome.

Yeah, he's awesome. But just watching this game, I was like, it feels like pretty, if he could give the ball to anybody, kind of feels like he wants to give it to Jouan. He trusts him. Third and Jouan. Third and Juan.

I have an intrusive thought. So I don't know. This is not really an intrusive thought. I just thought of it today. I thought it was fun. The Chiefs lost, so there's no more undefeated team. So, of course, the tradition is all the members of the 72 dolphins get to like pop champagne and like, you know, drink to being the only team ever that went, you know, undefeated in a whole season. I think, I think that this doesn't happen enough.

I think we need to have more teams celebrating when their records aren't broken. Because right now I feel like it's like the, I don't know, the way that it happens is like people are supposed to be gracious and like say, oh, good job, you broke my record. Blah, blah, blah. It's a new era. I think people should be pissed about it. Oh. And they should like be really mean to the players trying to break their records and do anything they can. When LeBron broke the scoring record and Green was like very politely sitting in the front row pretending that he wasn't furious.

Should be just fucking pissed. Yeah. It's like you should have not shut up. I kind of just like that the dolphins are still like celebrating this. And, you know, like, it's a big deal to them to have this record. And they're popping champagne when no one breaks it. I think people should be more upset and angry and, you know, like, fight with people about it a little bit more. Instead of trying to be like a good sport about it.

I love this. Stop being a good sport is what I'm saying. Michael Jordan, once again, should be the non-role model role model here. Give him his flowers for like, he should just actively root against LeBron every time in the I wish Michael Jordan actively against LeBron and all playoffs. Like loudly and publicly. Yeah.

Yeah. So, D.K., like whichever MLB player has the most consecutive games played streak alive at that, like, in right now, Cal Ripkin should just like

try to Tanya Harding that guy just to keep his streak alive. Yeah, yeah. 100%. Just like anyone who throws a beer bottle at this dude is like, yeah,

it's on me. I mean, Cal Rickett, no one's ever fucking catching Cal Ripkin. But yeah, I think that's the right example. Take out his knees or something,

you know. I have one more intrusive thought from today. So the Falcons got destroyed today by the Broncos. I think it was like 38 to 6. And they brought in Michael Pennix for the last quarter. He threw four passes. And kind of just like their GM, Terry Fontno, in the preseason after one game,

I was like, once again, I've seen all I need to see. Like, dude, he went two for four and I was like, this guy. I love it when Craig has seen. seeing all he needs to see. Yeah. That's my favorite moment. This guy has it. Like he literally threw like one like 15 yard pass, another deep ball look great.

And I was like, man. Yeah. Every time I watch this guy. I'm in. His last, the national championship wasn't great. The two games before that, Oregon and Texas, he looked incredible. Preseason, he looked great like the 10 minutes they let him play. And he's thrown four passes in the NFL and I'm like, this guy's got it.

I'm like, one more bad game out of Kirk. And I'm like, Michael Panics is going to take the team to the promised land. I totally agree. I totally agree. I mean, honestly. my intrusive thought was like similar where it's just, you know, I always make fun of no offense to many of our NBA colleagues, but I feel like there was this thing a lot of times like years ago

where it's like the league is in good hands. With all like the young player, dude, the NFL is in good hands. There are so many good quarterbacks in the NFL right now. Josh Allen is amazing. Drake May, I think is going to be really good. And then if Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, C.J. Stroud. I think Anthony Richardson looked good today. All of the rookies, the five first rounders from last year's class are all pretty good.

Great Knicks. Bo Nix. Dude, Bo Nix. He's unbeatable. The Broncos had me feeling nicely. I will shout out. I think I'll give, you know, Sean Payton, give him his flowers, give him whatever the hell he wants. But yeah, 38 to 6. Bo Nix, four passing touchdowns, five in completions versus four touchdowns.

Three hundred seven yards. I don't know what this stat means anything. Second rookie quarterback with four straight home games of 200 yards and multiple touchdown passes. The only other one is Peyton. Manning. I don't think that means anything, but it's just a list of of Peytoning of Bo Nix as rookies, which blew my fucking mind. It's too bad he's like so old. He has to retire in a few years because then he could be really something. Yeah, I know. Boom or Bo. I will say it's crazy that Justin Herbert's

like two years older than Bo Nix. Having said that, Bo Nix is playing great. The Broncos are legit. The Broncos will get to them later this week too because the Bronx is playing fantastic. But yeah, it is insane. Every rookie quarterback's good. And then last year, Richardson looked good and Stroud look good like that right there. That's Eight quarterbacks. That's a quarter of the league. That's a quarter of the league has been quarterbacked in the last two drafts. And then if you look at Mahomes is 29.

I think Josh Allen's 28. I think that Lamar Jackson's 27. Burroughs 28. Justin Herbert's 26. Like half the league is like, I don't know. There's also like a middle class now too in NFL quarterbacks like Gino, Mayfield. Yes. I'm probably trying to missing a couple, I'm sure.

but like, Bryce Young? No. Yeah, sure. I mean, he did, they have won two games in a row, right? Carlos is out here.

I know Carlos is screaming that nobody's mentioned Tua. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Tua. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's like that, you know that meme of everyone huddling up

and someone's talking and then you turn around? Just like the thumb. Just go back. Like, I feel like that's every time we talk about it. By the way, if you did not see the video that that Carlos put together about Tua on our socials, you got to go find it immediately.

Yeah. Either on TikTok, Instagram. or I put up on Twitter or Hyphitz did, I mean. Go watch it. It's brilliant. It's great. So then, yeah, we mentioned, I'm going to rename us the Hollywood handshake, the Hollywood Handshake play of the day where we mentioned, we mentioned the Josh Allen run for the fourth and two.

The Packers blocking a field goal to like just walk off blocking a field goal, which I don't know. I feel like that has to just be it anytime that happens. The Peyton Wilson, the Steelers Interception, where Justice Hill caught a pass that was then stolen from him. It was a strip pick. The strip pick. That was crazy. Yeah. That was really...

I mean... The Jameson Williams Marshall Lynch Hold my dick impression. Not play of the day, but Stafford's touchdown pass to Colby Parkinson was disgusting. Stafford cooked today.

Stafford was outrageous. Stafford today. Just like, low-key, I think the L.A. has the two best throwing quarterbacks right now. Like Stafford and Herbert,

just the throws they have are outrageous. Yeah. I think if you had to pick a winner here, I feel like if you factor in the state, it's got to be the Josh Allen run, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I do want to just shout out to the Packers Block to potential winning or tying field goal in the final play of the game. The only other time they've done this was November 26 of 1939 versus the Cleveland Rams.

I can't believe that they have... It doesn't even count. I can't believe they know that. Like, that's on record still. I know. That was written down on a piece of... Literally a piece of paper. Scrolls.

The Rams... The Dead Sea Scrolls. So, of course, I went to the 1939 Rams page where they all... that season played the Brooklyn Dodgers, the Pittsburgh Pirates and the Chicago Cardinals. Right, right.

And I found out that there was a guy in this thing named... 175. Dude, and there was a guy on this team. Obviously, I was going through the names. And there was a guy whose last name was McRaven. I was like McRaven. I've heard of a cool last name. Wasn't he the head of the U.S. like joint command?

Like the head of the Joint Command? He's like a general. Yeah. So I look it up. Yep, that's his dad. Oh shit? Yep. His dad?

Yeah. That's his father. was just like, yep, Air Force pilot on the whatever, Fitzs of Pittsburgh pirates or Cleveland Rams in 1939, and then his sons, anyway, they're all, they're all, yeah, it's just always like that. Worst play the day we mentioned it's all the Steelers things. I think it's George Pickens stepping out of bounds.

No way. It's field sliding on a game winning first down. What are you talking about? Yeah, or Russ throwing the pick at the end zone up five, or George Pickens perhaps signaling a first down as he passed the line of scrimmage. Who knows? All good place. and two.

It was definitely fields. He's 100% fields. Coach, you pissed you off. I think the Bears not trying to make the field goal closer. I think that was tough. Matt Everflu's running the clock down on third down and just kicking on third. And they had a timeout. Make it three yards, get a three yard run.

Honestly, kick probably isn't blocked. Tough one here. It really sucks at the Bears lost that game just because they could have had such good vibes and momentum going, like, they could have like, had this feeling of rebirth, and now it's like they've lost four straight. So it's like, they really got to overcome that,

that miss kick, despite the team actually playing well. Packers have beat the Bears 11 straight times, which is the longest in the history of the rivalry, and the rivalry is over 100 years old, that stuff. Worst referee moment. I actually think the rest were fine today

other than Craig yelling. I think the rest is just the end of the first. Other than the entire two-minute drill for the Chargers. The two-minute drill for the Chargers was outrageous. And if it had happened to kick, frankly, happened to the Chargers in the end of that first half, it happened to the Chiefs. It is all we would be talking about on Monday.

It would be an entire news cycle about the state of officiating if the chiefs had been the beneficiary of that. It was actually ridiculous. Yeah. All right. Worst Netflix boxing event between a former heavyweight champ and a YouTuber. I had Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul. What did you have, D.K.?

Yeah, that one too. I agree. Oh, interesting. You had that one? Okay. I had Mayweather versus Mr. Beast. That sucked. It was awful.

The Tyson Paul thing, it was weird because the undercards were real. I don't know if you guys watched. They said 60 million people watched. I feel like that's cut. I did the thing where I watched, I thought they said 90. I thought it was 90 million people. Was it 60?

But it's like, it's a different thing. It's like a different way of the measure. I'm sure that 90 million people clicked on it at some point. I don't know what that means. There was a lot of problems with Netflix, from what I understand. Not like buffering or whatever. So mine buffering.

so bad I didn't realize it because it was on my phone because it was so boring between the fights and I looked up and I was 20 minutes behind the whole time it didn't realize it and it was blissful and then I looked up on the internet and everyone was pissed about how the buffering and I was like I didn't have any of those problems because it was 20 minutes late. What was your general

what was the strongest emotion that you had watching a 58 year old Mike Tyson lose to a YouTuber guy? I constantly felt a cycle of I feel really stupid for having watched this to oh my fucking knock him out though that would be so god I want to hit him hit him so fucking hard

and then he can't his legs don't work that's how you punch people you can't his legs don't work and then the entirety of the run up they were like Mike Tyson still got it and then in the middle of the fight they're like he's 58 what did you expect you more on watching you idiots who tuned in and then I was like

oh I feel bamboozled and then I remember this didn't cost pay per view money it was literally free because I already paid for Netflix right and then I'm like I guess I didn't really have been had. And Craig, you're the one who studies Hollywood and stuff. But I actually think everyone's like, oh, this is a fumble for Netflix because everyone's bad. I don't know.

I feel like actually everyone now watched live sports on Netflix and Hulu paid a whole fucking five years of advertising money to be like, watch live sports on Hulu. No one ever watched live sports on Hulu. Now people know that you click on Netflix for Christmas and it's a giant commercial for the football games and it probably worked. Yeah, they're just testing stuff out to see if they, because they're going to do live WWE and they're going to be live football. So this is just like, you know what they can't have drop out Netflix for? The Chief Steelers game on Christmas Day. That would be a catastrophe because

they were paid a, they paid a billion dollars to that. Yeah, this is just so it. I mean, look, Netflix wants to sell ads now. That's why they're doing live TV. This is, it's all, it's all great for Netflix, even though it was like a shitty experience, I'm sure. I was actually at like a different work event. I was at like a puck thing that Matt and Puck was doing. So I didn't see it at all. I just, when I logged on Twitter, everybody was just saying, fuck Netflix. And I feel bad for Mike Tyson and I watched the highlights and it was sad. I had the same thought as you have it. I was like,

this is lame and stupid in a clickbait event but man it would be so awesome if Mike Tyson did knock the fuck out of Jake a hole. But if he had some of the face I'll be so happy. I'm like, I can't miss it. That was the what if he knocks about and I wasn't watching? I'll be crushed.

But what was it with? So did they show Mike Tyson in the locker room after the fighter before? Oh my God. He's asked. Okay. Okay. The butt was even weirder. It's the rear thing where it's weirder than it looked online. So his son was like

Jack Collinsworth, imagine a Jack Collinsworth was interviewing Chris Collinsworth. That's what it was. He was playing in the Super Bowl. Yeah, Jack, Chris, like Mike Tyson's son was like the sideline reporter in before the fight. And so Mike Tyson's son is interviewing Mike Tyson

and he gets nothing out of him, which was hilarious. Collinsworth, by the way, is seven years older than Tyson. Yeah. So it would be like if Chris Collinsworth was playing in the Super Bowl this year. And imagine if Collinsworth is playing in the Super Bowl. And the chief signed Chris Collinsworth this year. Yeah.

And imagine if Jack Collinsworth interviewing Chris Collinsworth and gets nothing of any substance out of him whatsoever. And then Chris and then so like Mike Tyson gets no answers. And then he turns around and he has assless chaps on. Like he's just pure ass and he walks away. He was wearing a fucking jack strap. And everyone's shocked. And then they. just, and then they kept replaying it later, which was bizarre.

Like, I thought, like, Netflix, I don't know what the laws are. I think it was brilliantly shot. I think it was on purpose and it was hilarious. It just, yeah, it was really weird. He just walks off and it was just his ass. I thought it was watching a movie. Can we just say also tonight? Collinsworth was like floating in his own orgasmic, euphoric fluid watching Herbert and Burrow.

Every throw before you, you could just hear him like into the microphone like, I actually I think it's like I love it when he does like the little the gutterol things speaking of the the beast mode

you know the beast quake play from the Seahawksman like 2010 when they played the Saints Marshall Lynch also had a beast quake run against the Cardinals in like 2014 or 15

or whatever year it was a camera and half I still remember this so vividly halfway through the run Collinsworth goes hoho and it's just like

I'm like something good is going to happen when Collinsworth is like oh yeah just make it sounds nothing better than like when like Burrow escapes the pass rush and hits like a 10 yard out

Collinsworth's like it's like it's like oh I like I appreciate it you know the league is in good hands Mike

oh my God I think I think it's good man he gets you into the game like this is what Brady and like the new broadcasters should be like striving for I think personally I thought Brady was actually

a little bit better today by the way. Brady stinks. Come on. I thought he was a little bit better. I don't think he's great. Great call, J.B. Stroud gets out, rolls out there and sees Seas Dolton Schultz

makes the connection. That's a great play there, J.B. Great call. What? You're doing the best quarterback ever. I could have done that. Yeah, just sees that he's open there down the seam.

Great throw by Caleb Williams. I really think he's going to develop into a great quarterback in this league. Great call, J.B. That is such a good. We should have someone who doesn't know anything about football. Like listen to like all the color commentators who are like which one of these was the greatest player

in the history of this sport? And they're like, oh, Greg Olson, obviously, right? Yeah. Brady's last, yeah. Who is the best commentary in the game right now or whatever? What do you call it? Combinator? I think Collinsworth is the best mix of Colored guy, yeah.

Collinsworth's the best mix of informative and entertainment. Greg also has the best information. And Mark Sanchez is good too. I still think if I will, yeah, Collinsworth is really good. I think Romo's having a really good year. I think he stepped up his game because Brady joined. But I think the best. Yeah, I think that's true.

That's true. He's trying. That's funny. And then I think in terms of chemistry, I do like Aikman and Nance as a duo. Akeman has gone way up a notch because Troy Akeman and Buck? Yeah. Sorry, Aikman and Buck, not Nance. Troy Aikman is now old enough

where he gives no shits about his relationship with the other people. He's finally like taken off the gloves or whatever. A real pitfall is that because you spend all week talking to these guys that you don't want to criticize them and Troy Akeman just doesn't fucking care anymore. And I like when you're the Peyton Manning and you where you can't physically hide your disgust for mistakes.

I love that. Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it. D.K. Marcus Valdus Cantling. Once again, two catches, 87 yards on a touchdown. He is the wide receiver three over the last two weeks in fantasy on a 14% target rate. I saw this from Ian Hartett's.

Most receiving yards in the NFL over the last two weeks is Jamar Chase, Alman Ross St. Brown, Pooka, and Akula, and MBS. So that's, I'm going to refuse to acknowledge that. Yeah, no acknowledgement. Yeah. Mine is that James Winston threw for 400 yards and no interceptions, and they scored 14 points. I actually, when you said that, Craig, I was like, yeah, what the hell did happen?

I had to go, like, dig into it. So it's impossible. They had, like, four quasi turnovers in this game. They had two turnovers on downs and two missed field goals. And that's why they scored 14 points. Yeah. Also, I think I'd be remiss if I didn't shout out Nick Westbrook and Kineh with a 98-yard touchdown today. His fifth touchdown in six games.

Is he the new Alan Lazard? I don't know who he is, but this guy's, That's delivering every week. I could see that. Yeah. It's like best friends with Will Levis. Yeah. I just want to shout out that Aaron Rogers,

his winning percentage, his jet starter is 27%, which is worse than the winning percentage for Sam Darnel or Zach Wilson. It can get worse. It can always get worse. I got that from Steve Paliselo of 33rd. I think that's actually genuinely

like a black mark on Rogers' record. And it will forever tarnish. He wants to come back next year, though, guys. I actually think the Jets are, this is a whole thing we'll have to talk about like another time. I think the Jets are going to have to cut Aaron Rogers. I think he will have to be released and he will have to see. Because here's the thing.

I kind of want, Bill always talks about how Michael Jordan kind of wanted to keep playing basketball, but like no one planned for him to be available and then he never got to play. So he retired after the second Bulls run. I kind of think that's going to happen to Rogers because I think Rogers is going to want to play. Everyone's done with the experience.

Because how could you watch this Jets thing and sign up for it? again, worse than Zach Wilson and Donald. But like, I think that what do you, if you're the Jets, do you double down and pay him and pay Devante and pay these people? Would you clean your hands? You draft a guy and then he'll come back and win two straight MVPs. That's a, that's actually a good idea. You got a lot of fire under's ass.

He's too coddled in New York. Just a miscommunication there, KB with Devonte Adams. Great quarterback. I still think Aaron Rogers can be a great quarterback in this league. Great call. there at KB. He does kind of like have like, he kind of like yells a little. It's like a half yell.

Why does he talk? Yeah, you're right too because for someone who's like one of the most famous people in the world, he does sound like he's never talked to a microphone at his entire life. It's like the Ricky Bobby with his hand, but it's just like speaking on Mike. Yes. Just a sloppy route there by Garrett Wilson there. KB. Great call. Oh my God.

I was saying J.B. for a while. It's KB, right? Kevin Broke him. Yeah. Two tight ends who outscored Jalen Waddle and a lie. Gosh. Waddle, I got to let the people know I benched his ass this week. Yeah, you bench his ass. And you know what I won?

Bro, Craig. Two tight ends who outscored Jalen Waddle and Lye. Kind of disappointed in you, Craig. I know. You guys ready? I caved. Two tight ends who outscored Shail and Waddle and Lai. That was in English.

A fifth time. Two tight ends who outscored Jalen Wadle and a lie. Shane Zilstra. Sure. Lions, good game today. Foster Moreau. Uh-huh. Kenny Yaboah.

Oh, I saw his touchdown. Yeah, I did see. I'm going to go with Foster Moreau. Did Zane Zilster play today? Yeah, he had a catcher two. I think one was like 30 yards. So I'm going to go with Foster Moreau, I think. Yeah, same.

Foster Morrow did outscore Jalen Wattle. Damn it. God damn it. Shane Zillster did not. However, Kenny Iboa, Nate Adkins, Josh Oliver, and Foster Moreau all outscored Jalen Waddle. Who the hell is Nate Atkins? He's like this like NPC on the Broncos. He used to be on the Texans, I think.

Yeah, he's like the fourth tight end on any team. I would like to note that I don't know what's worse that like Kenny Yaboa and Nate Adkins outscored Jailan Waddle today or my perhaps even better, Jalen Waddle's full game stat line would have made him the fourth highest scoring fantasy receiver on the Denver Broncos at half time of the Broncos game. So there's that. He's going to be the single hardest person to rank in rankings next year. We should just not rank them. Speaking of which, burn, all right, burn book, we've already burned to Sean Washington,

Christian Kirk, D'Andre Swift, Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Travis ETN, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Waddle. God, that took too long. Michael Pittman and DJ Moore. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Do you guys have any candidates for the burn book today? I want Craig to do it in Tom Brady Voice. I actually tell me who you guys have.

I struggled to find one this week. Who do you have? I also did. Do you struggles here? I'll pull up. I asked them the Instagram story and I'm going to pull it up now. Oh, Waddle. Well, he's been burnt.

Can we do him twice? I would burn it twice. Oh, burnt his ass. Should we burn Giovante Williams for getting benched? And then playing the next week and playing great. 100%. 100%. Is he already burned?

No. Yeah, let's burn him. Dude, what the hell? Oh, yeah, right when you think Audric Estimee is going to play terribly. We skipped Fartter Shart in this week, but DK, is it fart or shardt, Javante Williams? No, is it. I guess Audrake Estime. Yeah, Estimate.

Yeah, Sigmacee. I think, God, I don't know. I think it's a shart. Because Javante Williams, like, ran hard. The touchdown he scored he, like, got stopped. at like the 10 yard line and then he just kept running for like 10 yards you got some guys behind him of course but um i i hate sean baiton i just can't i can't handle it this is purely from a fantasy point of view i hate him i don't want to have anything to do with this rock was team other than bow nicks i said this in the

off season then i backed off of it it's like my biggest regret in life that i didn't go harder on this i got i let some email like influence me and i'm never letting an email influence me again like that can't do that. Back down. Now we're just, we're just captive to the whims of whatever the fuck Sean Payton wants to do on any given day

in this backfield. I started Audra Guestmane like three leagues today. Luckily, they won by so much. He got garbage time. He had like three, he had like three snaps in the first quarter or in the first half. D.K., I think you need to just get on board like I did with Sean Peyton. It's more fun.

Just get on board. Join the dark side. He's the new Brock Purdy. Just join the cult. He's actually been a good coach this year. Last year I thought he was a jabroney and he's annoying in fantasy. This year he's been a good coach and annoying in fantasy. Who are we burning?

Are we going to burn Javante? We could burn Javante. Kirk Cousins, back-to-back games, zero touchdowns? I don't know if we have to burn. Dude, you know who we should burn. No, we can't burn him. I was going to say Depot. Ooh.

That's actually kind of a good one. D-B is a really good one. If I had told you that I yuk and Kittle would miss like crazy amounts of time this year and that D-Bah would be like worse than Ricky Perry, worse than like Jawan Jennings. Dude, Dibu's the perfect one.

He had like 20 yards today. And he looks like James Hardin out there. All right, we can pray things out. I still love our revelation that Russell will. I still love a revelation that Russell will say. it's just like if James Harden had never gone to a strip club. Just like threes and layups doing Mori ball out here. But he just,

no jersey's up in the rafters. I guess he was in bad strip club cities. D.K., you're familiar. How good is the strip club seen in Seattle? Yeah. That's why Hardin left the sauna, you know? I think there's like two. There's a handful.

Oh, yeah? So Seattle wants to have a home city. I haven't partaken in all of them. Oh, not in all of them. Yeah, not in all of them. A few, though. Yeah. I'll be honest.

I don't know a lot about the strip club scene in Seattle. All right. I was kind of like letting on like it did. I have been to one or two, but I don't know a lot about it. Not as energetic as perhaps Atlanta or Houston. I doubt it, yeah. So you're not ready to give the Seattle strip club seeing its flowers. And now Russ is in Pittsburgh, which I don't think is a famous strip club city.

so he can focus on the game well he was in Denver this with the John Moran thing happened right oh is that right by the way by the way the game was in Chicago today for the record so weren't you talking about Devo

never mind no the strip club thing was about Russ okay I thought you talked about Debo Debo versus the Seahawk no I said Debo look like James Harden and that thing looks a little portly James James Hart Dek did you know what James James Harden has his jersey

retired in a strip club I get it. I just got confused because I thought you're talking about DeK, DK, James Hardin likes going to strip clubs. I got it. He likes James. He likes them.

He likes them. Also, we never, have we talked to this to the show that James Hardin's beard should be like captured and studied by the CDC? Yeah, dude, it's a petri dish. That thing, like, you could probably archaeologically like you could carbon date like the city he was in.

It's the most, like no one ever, everyone knows he has a beard. No one talks about that's the most disgusting beard in the fucking world. It's just like the coverage is so strong. You can't see his face. I genuinely have never understood it. If anybody's like a big, like an athlete who has a beard and you're listening, email us.

Keenan Allen, I never understood it. Cooper Cupp needs to shave that shit off. Cooper Cupp. He looks like a caveman. Yeah, dude. I don't understand it. It's like I'll creep it out of the bottom. Oh my God.

Not a fan of that. She's folding out the sides. Oh, my God. It looks like a troll doll. It's like a 70s bush. in there. And you haven't been to strip clubs? Yeah.

We need the, everyone needs to get a football Brazilian for their, dude, if James Hardin ever runs out of money, he should charge pay, you should do it live Netflix. Mike Tyson can shave James Hardin's beard

like Brazilian wax it like, like 40-year-old virgin. You think, do you think Tyson shaved his butt before the fight? It looked hairless. No, I think that's natural. You think natural?

A lot of actors shave their butts before being bottomless. He probably did. Glenn Powell, did he shave his butt for anyone but you? I guarantee it. Can you imagine not doing that? Shave the entire, his entire body probably. Yeah, I'm sure he got like a full wax. Imagine just not doing that.

Down there. Yeah, because she's like looking up at it. Yeah. She's actually looking up at it during the shot. Her hand is down in there for a scene. All right, well, that's all we got. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlisca Kai, for producing this episode.

Thank you, Austin. Thank you everyone for help behind the scenes. Thank you, mostly everyone for listening. Emails at Ream Fantasy Football at e-mail.com, fantasy court cases, emails, trivia. Emails about the coolest things you want to, you wish you could do in a football field. But more importantly, email us what you think we missed

about the coolest sports celebrations of all time. Craig says it's the Steph Curry putting people night night, Jamar Chase, late contender, wiping the football's ass. I don't know. I mentioned Dame Lillard. No. Oh, the game time? You have to be good.

The cooler if they had one more games. What's your favorite Dean Lillard playoff memory, D.K? Austin mentioned the dab. The dab for Cam Newton. Cam Newton dabbing. That was pretty ubiquitous for a while. But he didn't invent the dab. Oh, yeah.

But he popularized it. Did he? Did Cam Newton popularize the Dap? I don't know. We'll cover this tomorrow on Gen Z Corner. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, Beyonce.

Who, by the way, is playing halftime on Christmas on Netflix. So hopefully they don't have too much buffering issues during that. How do you guys feel about that that we're now adding more halftime shows to the non-super Bowl games? I actually think it's a great idea. Oh, it's a great idea as like from a business. this standpoint. How far are we away from just like, I guess Thanksgiving has one? I think the number that's correct is two good ones and they try it three times and two work. I think Christmas is a perfect day for, because like Beyonce and you're like, when you're Mariah Carey'll do it,

that's perfect. And the Super Bowl's good. And then like the Thanksgiving ones are weirdly bad. Like the Thanksgiving ones, it's like you watch the old Creed one and it's good ironically, but the Thanksgiving ones, they don't work. And it's weird because they should work, but they don't at all. why? What do you mean? Why don't they? Who did the Detroit one? It was like Ernest. Who did the Detroit one last year? It's always, I think it's because they always go out to like Chris Daughtry or something. And you're like, yes, exactly. It's like a weird.

Oh, like this year it's going to be Shibuzi doing the one of the lions. And he's got the one song, right? Why don't they do this for every halftime show? In the, every NFL game. They can't do they don't have enough like bands? We're probably not far off, D.K. from them doing that. Honestly, it's better than a half time. Sunday night football game. Why don't they just do that?

Do you ever watch the halftime show? No. I will say it's funny that they just put Terry Bradshaw on at halftime instead to show me whatever jersey retiring for like Julius Peppers. That's cool. I didn't like I'd even watch the like, you know, in like NBA games they have like the the guy spinning plates on his nose. Who could spin play like 20. Red panda. It's always somebody's spinning plates. Dude, I have this thought to all the time, Craig. Like the spinning plates people, I, I, I, I, I, I swear to God, I think about this like two or three times a week.

The spinning plate people can do this and go out to these shows, half-time shows, and like spend 35 plates on whatever. And they do it every time. They never drop the fucking plates. And I can barely put in my contacts without dropping my contact. Like, once a day, I drop my contact into the sink. And I'm like, God damn it. I can't put it on. Like, I've been putting in contacts for like 30 years.

Why can't I fucking do it? And then this plate person can get it right every time. It's incredible. Sometimes I'm like, I don't know what's harder. making it to the NBA or being the guy who could balance 12 plates. Right. Like, they're more talented. Yeah.

Have you ever gone to a Cirque to Salat show? I'm like, we should be watching this instead of the NBA, instead of the NFL. These people are the most impressive people I've ever seen in my life. My friend and I have a bit where we send each other TikToks of people doing like amazing feats like that. And we always just say, like, I couldn't do this if you gave me my entire life. And I feel that way about the plates thing. I'm like, you could give me any amount of time I'll never be. be able to do that.

How do they do that? I can't even put in my goddamn contact. I think about that all the time, I swear. Yeah. I'll start sending you our videos that we're like, how the fuck do people do this? Yeah, let me in on that. Yeah, I want to be in on that.

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