The Ringer NFL Show - Week 11 Winners, Losers, and Giants Panic Watch

Episode Date: November 20, 2022

We recap Week 11 by naming the biggest winners and losers of the weekend, bestowing the SBF Award for the Biggest Frauds, and hitting the Panic Button on Saquon Barkely, Lamar Jackson, and Dameon Pier...ce. Then we discuss the genius of Vegas and the putrid Broncos, and induct our next player into the 2022 Fantasy Burn Book. Check out our Weekly Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings and more! Email us! ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The time has come to get ready for the 2022 World Cup. And what better way to prepare than by revisiting the World Cup's most amazing goals? I'm Brian Phillips. I'm making a podcast about the history of the men's World Cup, told through the stories of 22 iconic goals. The show's called 22 Goals. It's out now on the Ringer podcast network, and we're having so much fun. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show.
Starting point is 00:00:47 My name is Danny Hyfitts. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbock. Sunday of Week 11 is over. Here with D.K. Craig, we can go over. The vibes from Sunday. Chiefs charge has just ended. I feel like we don't even appreciate Patrick Holm. I have never felt more confident that a play.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Our team was going to go down and score to win a game. Probably at least five years since like peak Brady. Old man Brady. It's always just like a question of how much time he's going to leave for the other team. There's a saying that goes around the ringer that if Bill is on any podcast, that's not his own, that podcast gets a listener bump. It's called the Bill bump as we joke. Oh, Bill was on the press box. Oh, Bill was on Ringerverse. Bill was on Press TV. Gets the Bill bump. I feel like with Patrick Mahomes, anytime the Chiefs playing a game, you just know it's going to be a
Starting point is 00:01:30 decent game. It's impossible for it not to be at least semi-entertaining if Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are playing, which is a big deal nowadays because most games are like pulling teeth. And you toss the Chiefs against anyone, you know what? You can watch the whole game and have a decent time. Well, also, like, I thought the best part of the this game too was the Chiefs, even though they lost Tyree kill, they've been able to have all these new guys make an impact, right? I mean, Cadarious Tony out there tonight. I don't know how they would have won this game without Cadarious Tony.
Starting point is 00:01:55 I was waiting for this. Check the timer. It took one minute and six seconds or something like that for hyphids to do that. So they don't even need them. Why can't he just, can he just go to the other sideline and join the Chargers? That would be helpful. Travis Kelsey's right. I don't know how the Giants let the guy to the building.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Did you see him out there tonight? One target. Really? Did you see him? I did not see him. He was gone. To be clear. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Maybe he was pretending. Did he get touched him? Here's my question. Did Skymore market correct him already? No. Sky Moore, six targets, five catches, 63 yards. He looked good. We got all excited about Cadarious Tony.
Starting point is 00:02:31 Maybe Sky Moore's actually going to be the start there. You know how I know this thing? You know what? I'm upset. I ever even waffled on the Cadarist Tony thing because you guys have, he gets one hamstring injury again and you guys are like, oh. Anyway. Mahomes is incredible.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Kelsey, I don't know why they don't just double him the entire stretch. I don't know what that was. The whole thing's bizarre. I don't know why we don't just bet the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl every year. It's like Cousin Sal always says, if you just, at the start of every season, just bet the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. And in the next 10 years you'll win at least like, what, twice, three times? Every single time the Chiefs fall behind, you should just bet
Starting point is 00:03:01 whatever the live update is on the middle with the game. I bet the live money. I wonder if they were still favored when they had the ball with like a minute 30 left. I bet they were. Also, I will, I'm going to, we always talk about Memento tattoos. Like if you think you'll tattooing yourself during the season. so that you remember them next August. I'm going to tattoo on my forehead to just draft Travis Kelsey first overall.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Until the end of the end of all? I'm going to rank him. Yeah. Why do I? Why do I say? I'm done pretending. I'm going to put him first overall in my rankings. I'm going to put him first.
Starting point is 00:03:26 I'm going to take him first. Everyone's going to make fun of me. And then I'm going to win all my leads. I'm just done with this. This is insane. I don't know. Duty, 33.
Starting point is 00:03:33 This is the year. He starts to slow down. I feel like we even said this for parts of this year. We did. We did. This is like when people were like, yeah, you shouldn't invest in Apple like,
Starting point is 00:03:44 It's like, you know what? Just get, it's never better late than never. Just keep going. You know what else was pretty remarkable about tonight's game was even just one of Keenan Allen or Mike Williams literally just being on the field does so much for the Chargers offense. Literally the first drive, completion completion 60 yard touchdown. And you're like, oh my God.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Keenan's not even fast and he's playing every other play. And the offense looks completely different. The Chargers offense like three weeks ago since Keenan Allen and Mike Williams went down to begin the season. The offense was like an 80-year-old driving a Lamborghini. And I don't know if it was like at full force today, but it was like at least like a 55 year old driving to Lamborghini. Like he at least was like testing the engine a little bit doing something with it. But it's unbelievable how different the team is with just like any semblance of talent at wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Well, the charges were doing the next man up thing where they're like, all right, but they don't have another Keenan Allen. So it's kind of like F1. They were having like the next guy, the next driver up was like a grandmother. And you're like, wow, this person isn't even doing well. It's like, yeah, that's not their job. So now it's not. I tweeted out a poll of saying asking who would get hurt first, Mike Williams or Keenan Allen,
Starting point is 00:04:49 which was poorly received by my fans. They thought that was a bit insensitive. However, look what happened. Mike Williams. Mike Williams cut one ball hurt his ankle, never came back. I'm not over you saying your fans. I don't know why that trip me up. I hope that the listeners know that I was being facetious.
Starting point is 00:05:06 I have dozens of fans. Dozens of us. Speaking of facetious, we got to go to our first award here. It's very important. What's the new segment? The SBF Fraud Watch Award brought to you by FTX. Buy low. By low.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Minnesota Vikings, congratulations. You're the FTX sponsored fraud watch. We had so many Vikings fans were just so mad because everyone, the NFL media industrial intelligentsia was just being like, yeah, yeah, you're 8 and won, whatever you suck. And then they went, they beat the bike, the bills. And they're like, all right, can we get some cred now? And some people caved. some people did not. And now, Cowboys beat him 40 to 3. And it turns out that Kirk Cousins was basically just that like random woman who is running Alameda research from the Bahamas or whatever. That's basically what Kirk Cousins has been doing this all time. Good metaphor. Yeah, they looked uncompetitive to put it lightly. I think it's non-competitive. Non-competitive.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Did you just say that as like ironically? Not very competitive. What is the actual word is non-competitive? It's not uncompetitive. Whatever. What a hundred percent non-competitive. Yeah. discontentative. They were not good. How about that? Yeah, yeah. Kirk Cousins was not very good, man. Here's the deal.
Starting point is 00:06:19 And I think this always tells you something about how coaches feel about their players. They were down like 30 to 3 in the third quarter, midway through the third quarter. And they're running the ball. Like, they basically gave up. They're like, I don't trust Kirk Cousins to do anything here. Let's just get out of this game.
Starting point is 00:06:33 You know who else didn't trust Kirk Cousins? CBS cut away from this game. I have never in my life. it's rare to see them to cut away from games. It's always like three minutes left, five minutes left, like a time slot's changing. They want to go to the beginning of another game. I have never seen them cut away from a game in the third quarter.
Starting point is 00:06:50 The mercy rule. It was a Cowboys game. If football is the most popular sport in America, you could argue that the Cowboys are the biggest TV program in America, period. And they cut away from this game. And it's CBS. Fox has had Dallas Cowboys for like 20 years. is like the first time CBS is able to have the Cowboys in like decades.
Starting point is 00:07:14 Romo and Hiz were doing it. What game did they switch to? The Steelers Bengals game. Do you know how mad CBS must have been to change the channel? This was this was fraud. Maybe they can sue. It's funny too because this was supposed to be such a good game. Eight and one versus what were the Cowboys?
Starting point is 00:07:29 Six and three coming in. Six and three. Yeah. And they were favored by not 40 points. I was going to say, you know who else didn't trust the Vikings, Vegas who favored the Cowboys who were on the road against a that was 8 and 1 with the best record in the NFL?
Starting point is 00:07:41 You know who else didn't trust the Vikings? Everyone in the media, every sports writer, every sports gambler, every podcaster. It's one of the rare instances where it just played out exactly how we thought it would. I also have to point out Vikings, 8 and 2 in the season, negative point differential. They have allowed more points than they've scored. That's staggering. Today, because they lost by 37. We cannot take this too, like you can't overstate how big of a blowout this is.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Like losing 40 to 3 is pretty rare in the NFL. Is it the biggest blowout of the season? it might have been. Well, there are blowouts and there are blowouts, and I think that what's important to note about this game is like how destructed, that's also not a word, but whatever. It's almost midnight here right now.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Yeah, I'm glad my talk, my job. I almost said my talk is the job, but whatever. The point is, Kirk Cousin's Day was worse than mine. He got his career high in sacks. They pulled him. I don't know when because the game was off. But like, he didn't play.
Starting point is 00:08:33 I don't think he in the fourth quarter. Like, like, he had 100 passing yards. The whole thing's awful. But the Cowboys are the flip side. Tony Pollard, number one running back in fantasy. Again, is he just like the best running back in fantasy? Is he the best player in the NFL? Like, legitimate question.
Starting point is 00:08:48 He's so fucking good, you guys. He's so good. 15 carries 80 yards, six catches, 109 yards, two touchdowns, 36 points of fantasy. The Ken Scoot Award. Like, he is the guy in the NFL above everyone else who can scoot. Like scoot? Like run fast? He can scoot.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Like, he's quick as fuck. Okay. Oh, okay. Got a motor. It's a sol like a lot. I say this all the time. Yeah, this is just saying you guys tweeted each other. That's not like, you know.
Starting point is 00:09:13 It's so like and I, it's our joke. Whatever. D.K. and Ben's fans understand that joke. Yeah. Right. So after this game, he is now number one, Tony Pollard, is number one in yards after contact per rush.
Starting point is 00:09:25 He's number two in yards after the catch per reception among running back. So he's pretty good. He's also number one and gets 20 yards per carry every time he touches the ball. Well, that's why. It's because he's breaking up tons of yards after the catch. He's so freaking explosive. It's crazy. easy. And again, this is the Bernie Sanders meme. I am once again just asking coaches to simply
Starting point is 00:09:45 play their best players. Play your best players. Granted, I will say respect. The Cowboys actually did play Pollard more in this game, which was what I was hoping they would do. Maybe this is just because Zique is coming back. He's not quite 100%. It would be so cowboys of them to like slowly go back to Zique more and like turn Tony Pauldren into a part-time player again. But yeah, I mean, Paula just looked amazing. You know what was funny is there was a there was a goal line stand that the Vikings were making. And they gave Pollard two straight carries on the one yard line.
Starting point is 00:10:14 He got stuffed twice. And then Romo goes, listen, I know everyone's talking about Tony Pollard, but at the end of the day, size matters. Like, when you need one yard, like size matters.
Starting point is 00:10:25 They bring in Zeke for third one. Zeke gets the touchdown. You know, that's seen in Pirates of the Caribbean where Orlando Bloom fights Jack Sparrow in like the blacksmith and they're like in the rafters and they're fighting the whole time. But then like the British Army gets there
Starting point is 00:10:38 and the drunken boss, the shop owner basically stops him and they're like, thank you for your work, sir. And he's like just doing my civic duty. And he just takes all the credit at the end. That felt like Zeke in the beginning of this game. Tony Pollard gets three carries for like 50 yards. And then Zeke runs at a one yard touchdown.
Starting point is 00:10:54 That should be their roles, honestly. Like if you're being logical, Zeke around the goal line and short, short yardage or everything, that makes sense to me. He's just Latavius Murray, but like with better name. Dear God,
Starting point is 00:11:05 just don't go back to like the Zeke being the engine of your offense like bullshit. Like, stop that. Stop it. Well, flip side, won the game, by the way, 40 to 3. So glad that we're mad at it. The other crazy thing was the Cowboys destroying them, 40 to 3. And then the number one receiver in fantasy was Amari Cooper, who definitely gets the Brandon Cook's Award for a player we don't want to admit as good. And the Cowboys just could have Amari Cooper.
Starting point is 00:11:26 They just dumped him. The player who's definitely worth two fifth round picks goes to Amari Cooper, which is what the Cowboys got for him when they gave him to the Browns. Amari Cooper is the Wider's year of 14 on the same. season. I'm a happy manager of Amari Cooper this season. I'm loving it every week. The guy delivers. He has 74 yards or more six times this year. Here are the other guys who have done that. Justin Jefferson, Tyree, Kale, Stefan Diggs, Waddle, Devante Adams Cup. Like, he's just right there. I know that you don't have this in front of you, but has he ever been this consistent?
Starting point is 00:11:57 I feel like this is an anomaly for him. I feel like inconsistency is like the defining part of his career. And again, I mentioned this to the Friday show. Marry Cooper's home road splits. He was averaging more points per game at home, then he had total points on the road. Like he had 18.2 on average at home, 18 total at home on the road. And so, and then it comes out and I guess this was a road game, even though it was in Detroit, so it was a road, road game, but whatever.
Starting point is 00:12:21 But the thing with the way Cooper was basically, he never was getting the ball, like, as a percentage as much as these other great players. And I also think he was always playing through injury and toughness in a way that, like, made his stats kind of lesser. And now he's just incredible. And he's also, he should have had a better game. Like, they were, like, they kept, uh,
Starting point is 00:12:38 Brosec kept throwing to Harrison Bryant or whatever, like, you know, instead of in joke and stuff. And Mark Cooper was wide open. He easily could have had another touchdown. Yeah, he's on pace for like about 1,200 yards, which would be right around his career best. But he just looks better, though, and he looks healthier in my mind than he has in quite a while. Yeah. So he's been fantastic. Highfitz, were there any other, were there any other frauds? I was going to say, can we go back to this the Sam Begman-Fried fraud award? Because I'd like to give it to Hyfitz's New York Giants.
Starting point is 00:13:08 What my goal was heading into the second half of the season was for the Giants and Vikings to win as many games as possible so that when the playoffs came, I could bet as much money as I possibly could, as much money as Wells Fargo would allow me to on whichever teams the Giants and the Vikings were playing because I thought they were frauds. My fear now is that we found out too early.
Starting point is 00:13:27 The Giants blew their fraud load too early. And- blew their fraud load? Yes. It blew their fraud load too early. And now, you know what, Here's a take. I don't think the Giants are going to make the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:13:40 Ooh. Here are their next five games. Cowboys, commanders, Eagles, commanders, Vikings. So you think that commanders will make the playoffs over there? Well,
Starting point is 00:13:49 it's not the point. It's the entire, they have almost their entire divisional slate left to go. And the Eagles and the Cowboys are better than the Giants. And the commanders might be better than the Giants. So full,
Starting point is 00:14:00 well, the Falcons who you hate could just make the, win the NSISO. Falcons is quietly lingering. But DECA refuses to check standings for, I'm looking at it right now. I'm reading them as we speak. I am in New York. I'm home for Thanksgiving
Starting point is 00:14:12 early and I watch this Giants game with my entire family. Tough. I will say two things. The Giants lost to the Lions today mostly because they played poorly. Like they made mistakes. There's no excuses for it. Uncompetitive, some would say. Uncompetitive. However, what is like the defining part of the Giants season thus far? It's basically grit in the name of injuries, right? they lost six more starters today in this game. And I don't know if that like actually resonated with people because this wasn't like a happening game. They lost both their starting cornerbacks. They lost their right tackle.
Starting point is 00:14:51 They lost their center. And Wondale Robinson got hurt. And those two starting cornerbacks were like all like they're playing on Thanksgiving. The Giants are playing the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. I don't know who's going to play for this team. They have by my count five healthy defensive backs left. And I don't even know who they're getting for the practice squad. They already called up the practice squad guys.
Starting point is 00:15:09 Those guys are hurt. I don't know who is going to play football. There are so many times that the Giants make a tackle. I've never heard of this person in my life. I don't know who plays. I am going to learn. I think the Giants will have to start three people on Thanksgiving. I've never heard of.
Starting point is 00:15:23 They have someone named Isaiah Hodgins on their team. My whole family. I'm like, and they don't look at me. I don't fucking know who's Isaiah Adams. By the way, I looked up uncompetitive. That's a word. It's a fucking word. It's not, dude.
Starting point is 00:15:36 You're just digging your own grave. Okay. It's in the dictionary. How am I supposed to argue again? What else am I supposed to say? It is in the dictionary. Merriam Webster. I don't understand your argument here.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Am I so fucking taught? Is this a word that people use all the time and I just, I'm out thinking. Dictionary.com and Merriam Webster both have it listed. I feel like I say uncompetitive kind of a lot. You gaslighting me. Wait, what did High Fitz think it was? Non-competitive. Which, is that a word?
Starting point is 00:16:11 It appears as though both are words. D.K. said it weird, though, didn't he, Greg? No, I don't know. I just, once you said it, I was like, well, wait. It's like when somebody, you know, anytime somebody poses a question, I'm like, uh, wait, am I an idiot? It's like doing trivia on Monday. I'm like, uh. I don't know what's going on.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Anyway, the Giants are, I agree, though, giants, not going to be competitive. Well, the lions are uncompetitive. They were just like, hey, we're going to stop Sequin Barkley, who had 15 rushes for 22 yards, and we're going to make Daniel Jones beat us. Here's my assessment, though. I think Sequin is probably a little bit of a cell high. Like, because right now, if he's still a top three running back, like panic index, I'm panicking.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Because again, they're right, they're on their third string, right tackle. They're now moving over center. And it's like, this, Seekwan is a shoulder injury, and it's basically two yards per carry less since he's had the shoulder injury. Dude, how good can the execution be of this team when they're basically down to their third stringer, like, third of the team.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Sequin's averaging 3.2 yards per carry the last three games. It's, it's kind of going back to looking like old giants, Sequin. It's, but they're a good and well-coached team. It's just, they actually have fourth string people starting. Right, they just don't have enough talent around on their offense. They're not deep enough. This is like, they're playing with house money too because this was supposed to be rebuilding here, right?
Starting point is 00:17:25 So, I don't know. It's weird. So I'm a little worried about this Thanksgiving game. Anyway, speaking of Giants' lines, though, I want to give out a new war too. This is the Ticketmaster Award for screwing over Swift. Hey-oh! Good one. I think many people have since made this joke, but I did think of it in the moment.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Jamal Williams chose to the LeBron, be like, I had that first. Jamal Williams is the most likable person, I think, in the entire league. And even if he's, like, just destroying the Giants, I'm just like, man, I love this guy. Did you know Jamal Williams has, so he leads the NFL in touchdowns? He has 12. He had like 13 in his entire career entering this season. He, to me, is like, the biggest blind spot player. You know how, like, it going into a season?
Starting point is 00:18:05 season, you just have a blind spot for some guys. Like, you're just like, there's not a world and I can see him having a major impact. He was, that was Jamal Williams for me. I remember one of my buddies tried to trade me, Jamal Williams, early in the season. And I was like, I don't, I don't want him. Why would you want, why is that a part of the offer? And then now he's just fucking leading the NFL in touchdowns. You know, it was the first thing I thought of when you said, like, a guy who could make
Starting point is 00:18:27 an impact was forgetting Sarah Marshall, Jonah Hill being like, if you don't listen to this mixtape down the road, you're going to be like, oh, no, I totally, I totally disregarded him. now he's a major, major influence on me now. That's Jamal Williams. Do you remember a worst running back who's going to finish in the top 10? No shade against Jamal Williams, but like the guy is kind of just like a journeyman backup type. No, you know, like a good 1B to a 1A. And he's like a top 10 running back in the NFL right now.
Starting point is 00:18:51 When's the last time a guy finished that highly who no one really thinks is that special? James Connor? That's a good. I was actually going to say James Connor. He kind of reminds me of that, like just. But I do think he's pretty good. Like he's always been pretty solid. He is good.
Starting point is 00:19:06 He's never been like an elite player. Remember, I loved him last year and I was like, oh, things can. And it's like, he just is behind a great offensive line. And D'Andre Swift, who I think they were hoping would do a lot of great stuff. And everyone was very horny for. And we had the whole like, bong, corny police. Yeah. And DeAndre Swift was like top of the list for people being like horny police.
Starting point is 00:19:25 And the combo of him just, Deandre Swift just not being healthy slash like, not being like, turns out he's not exactly a bruiser in between the tackles. And Jamar Williams just is like does what. what coaches want him to do, which is like the, it's like the, Zique thing. It's like, it's like, it's the least sexy thing, but it's like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:19:38 just go, go get four yards. And he's just playing behind this great line. They don't really trust golf to not screw up. And so he just gets all these goal line opportunities. And then he's kind of like, you know what it's like, it's like, Swift is like a much hotter person that attracts everyone's eyes and everyone
Starting point is 00:19:53 thinks, but there was like a much better person that you actually want like relationship candidate available. You're saying Jamal Williams's husband material. Exactly. And like you didn't realize that there was husband to him there
Starting point is 00:20:08 because you were just focusing on like, you know, you needed to be box. Where do you think the Lions rank in points per game this year? Third. Wow,
Starting point is 00:20:16 that's kind of, I think I'm gonna say 10. Yeah, they're 8th. I would not have guessed that. Like, I just, I keep asking myself.
Starting point is 00:20:22 How does he keep doing? It was a leading question. The fact that you asked the question. Right. The context gave it away. But don't you guys think he's a sell high?
Starting point is 00:20:31 I mean, probably, yeah, because the touchdowns are saving him. absolutely three touchdowns he's got six touchdowns in three games like would you trade him straight up for dandre swifts no no i would not just because swift just hurt man they don't give him the ball enough but would i trade jemal williams for like umal williams is saiquan rest of the zir i'm saiquan get out of here you sure though are you no that's why that's the question uh i'm taking sayquan i think it's
Starting point is 00:21:01 Obviously Sake one, but I'm saying like, but how confident. Obviously Sake one's the answer, but. I would take Miles Sanders. Oh, I'd take Josh Jacobs in a second. Aaron Jones? Yes, Aaron Jones. No. Dalvin Cook?
Starting point is 00:21:18 Yes. Okay, but that's the point. These are all like elite guys that are just like top. You wouldn't take Aaron Jones. Have you looked at Aaron Jones's numbers this year? I'm sick of Aaron Jones. He's been so good. Don't care.
Starting point is 00:21:28 It's not always logical, Craig. Don't care. Bad vibes. Bad vibes of the Packers. I don't want to agree back. Yeah, the vibes in Detroit are just crushing it. Yeah. Three and seven.
Starting point is 00:21:37 What are they? So are the Packers. They won three games in a row. The Lions have. Packers are also three and seven. No, they're better than that. Are they? Four and seven.
Starting point is 00:21:46 What are the Lions? Whatever. Packers are four and seven. The Lions are four and six. Oh, shit. They're better. Dude, the Lions have won three games in a row. This is, they're on.
Starting point is 00:21:57 They're like coming back right now. Lions score a lot of points. Let's go to a game that had almost no points. until the very end. Sad trombone award. It's so good. It's incredible. Shaking his head.
Starting point is 00:22:09 It's good to finish it. DK's like, we did a podcast for years and years and we learned that D.K. can do sound effects like three weeks ago. It's like a revelation. It's like Craig's banana bread.
Starting point is 00:22:20 It is. Oh, I made banana bread. It was good. And no one cares about that. Jets Patriots. This game fucking sucked, you guys.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Unless you're like, really, really into punting. 17 punts in this game. game. I can't even believe that. Do you think this is Bill Belichick's favorite win ever? Probably. 17 punts win on a walkoff punt.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah, that was a way to end it. Wasn't it? It was, I mean, obviously it was 3 to 3 when that happened, right? This was the final score 10 to 3. Yeah, it was three to three after almost the entire game. Dude, as a Giants fan who was actually sitting in the same chair I was today when I saw the Deshaun Jackson punt return against the Giants, that was like so triggering to watch. because that is like the worst feeling when it's just like, oh,
Starting point is 00:23:05 so if he just kicked it out of bounds that would not have happened, that seems easy. Oh, yeah. Did it actually run out of time like as he scored? No, there was like five seconds left.
Starting point is 00:23:13 But that was also so fucking pathetic, so I'd curse. But like the kickoff, Elijah Moore did the kickoff and there were five seconds left and he picked up the ball and made like two guys miss and debated like doing the latter.
Starting point is 00:23:27 I was like, nope, I'll just go out of bounds and give us a play. And ran out with zeros on. So they didn't even try. It was literally, he ran out as time as fired. Not that it would have mattered.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Let's be honest. Zach Wilson, not the best day ever, to put it lightly. Nine of 22, 77 yards. Just let that sink in for a minute. Oh,
Starting point is 00:23:49 by the way, the 77 yards, 25 of those were like after the two minute warning of the first half, which they did not score. Oh, okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:58 Like where they're playing really like, soft defense and stuff? Yeah, and they're like, yeah, chunk yards. And like, so you really had 50 yards in the other 58 minutes. Also, that line does not include, I believe there was two picks that the
Starting point is 00:24:09 Pats just dropped straight up. And it picked six right before the punt. They should have picked six to him like a minute earlier. Four second half completions. The Jets had two, two yards of offense in the second half. Two. Oh, oh. So did some great math from the athletic.
Starting point is 00:24:26 That is 0.08 yards per play. in the second half, which comes out to less than three inches per play in the second half for the Jets in this game. That's tough. Some would say that's a reasonable number. I mean, on the world scale, yeah. Some would say three inches is more than enough. Decides where the base. I mean, the Jets can decide where the bases.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Anyway. I also think it's funny that two yards, yards are abstract. Let's be real. That's just six feet. Yeah. Like, if you're like five, ten, like you just lay down. And like, that's how many, that's how much they gain. Literally just fall, just tip over forward.
Starting point is 00:25:08 Tip over. That's how much they got. I also think it's funny that that's exactly the amount you need to bury, like a grave. And they think literally the jets bury their own grave. Heifitz, you love those kind of metaphors. That's great. You do. You're like the sports science guy, John Brancis, who always just had the most inane comparisons.
Starting point is 00:25:26 He'd be like, LeBron James is 6'8. That is 4.5 fire hydrants. You're like, what? I said the weirdest shit. Wait, can we talk about the Zach Wilson quote in the postgame presser? No. No. No.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Oh, yeah, Tim's saying no. They were like, Zach, you guys scored three points today and the defense held the Patriots to 10. Do you think the offense, you know, let the team down a little bit? And he's like, no. And then he followed it up by saying, no. I literally saw the quote was like, like, tweeted out that he said, no. There must be more to this. Watch the video.
Starting point is 00:26:01 just said no twice. He said no again? Yeah, he literally said no, no. I think that Zach Wilson, so there's two things to him. He's just a terrible quarterback by every metric. Like all, look, every important metric, like adjusted net yards per attempt, completion percentage, QBR, everything, he's worse than Mark Sanchez. He's worse than Sam Darnold. Like he's, it is, he's worse than all these guys watching him. He brings nothing to the table, even though every Jets quarterback before him actually had weight. Like he has an incredible group of players around him of Zach Wilson does.
Starting point is 00:26:36 And then on top of it, after these games, I have never seen an athlete in New York, other than Kyrie Irving, just say the wrong thing over and over again. And it's like the receiver room in the Jets is already so pissed at him. And you'd think that there's two, one, he should genuinely be wanting to like be a leader
Starting point is 00:26:56 and be like, yeah, guys, this is my fault, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know. even if he doesn't fucking believe that, it's still like a press conference IQ test. You know what I mean? Even if you're a disingenuous asshole, he's not even smart.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Like, he's not even smart enough to be like, yeah, no, it's my fault. Yeah, we gotta get better. We got to do our part.
Starting point is 00:27:16 I got to carry our weight. Yeah. Did you let the defense down? No. Like, it's just, it's just dumb. That's a dumb thing to say.
Starting point is 00:27:25 I feel, I feel pretty confident that he's not going to be the quarterback on the Jets next year. And he'll never, he's going to be a backup for the rest of, his life. So this is going back to the Aaron Rogers thing, right?
Starting point is 00:27:33 Whoever, Derek Carr maybe? I don't know. Yeah. Dude, I think, I really do think that the Jets should trade for Aaron Rogers next year. And I know that would be a circus, but everyone wins. The Packers win. Rogers wins the Jets when. We can get to that later. But like, I can't emphasize enough how much Zach Wilson just says the thing that seems like it'll infuriate his teammates and the fans all, like every single time. Like, almost the last time he lost to the Patriots, it was throwing with a, the ball is boring. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:02 That was good. Two yards in the second half. They gave two yards in the second half. And he's like, no, we didn't let down the defense. Meel's sauce gardener's like, I can't believe we allowed three points on defense and lost. That's like a video game. I always say this. I've said this a couple weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Like there's some games where it just looks so easy to move the ball. And then there's other games where it looks so impossible with the Jets this year. It just looks fucking impossible to get. It's like a miracle if they complete a pass. The ultimate irony is that Zach Wilson's calling card coming. New League was he could improvise like Mahomes. Does anyone, I actually say this, has anyone you've ever watched made quarterback look easier than Patrick Mahomes?
Starting point is 00:28:40 And it's like, Zach. We should be allowed to compare anybody to Patrick Mahomes ever. Well, that was what made me so mad during the whole draft process in the first place. Everyone's comparing him to Mahomes and Aaron Rogers. And here's the problem. Like, those guys are good in the pocket, too. And like, I get that he has like a live army can whip it like across the field or whatever. Like, that's cool.
Starting point is 00:28:58 And I was talking to Ryan O'Hanlin and Jetty. fan about this today. Former ringer staffer. Great book, by the way. Net Gaines. Check it out. He was just like, he was just so mad because he's like, have you ever seen Zach Wilson just like hit his back foot, step up in the pocket and throw a pass? Like it just never happens. Like there's never just like a standard pass for a quarterback. You know what I mean? It's like he really is, I feel like when I was a kid and I was learning to play Madden, I had to learn the hard way that I actually had to go where the play was being blocked for. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:29:32 Yeah. Like, you didn't want to do what the play told you. He's like the quarterback. You had to color inside the lines in Madden. You actually realize, oh, if I follow the block, I get more yards. But it's hard because it's kind of boring almost. And I think that's like Wilson feels. Because in college, you don't have to do that shit.
Starting point is 00:29:46 He does not want to do any of the things he has to do. Oh, my God. He's infuriating. Think about how frustrating it would be as a coach to work your ass off for like 70 hours a week and prep, like design this whole. offense, like get your script down, like get all these players. Plus, also, they've spent like the last two years, like, accumulating talented receivers and stuff. And then they just go out and like, Zach Wilson just can't run a play. Like, that has got to be killing, just killing.
Starting point is 00:30:15 This is a next year, Rich Simeini, AESPAN had this. Zach Wilson on targeting receivers who next gen stats were open by three yards or more, which is a lot. ms. Zach Wilson was four of nine. The only other quarterback this year who was under 50% completion to receivers who were more or less wide open was Trey Lance in that rain game in week one,
Starting point is 00:30:38 the Monsoon. It's the only other time. Anyway, Zach Wilson sucks. Mack Jones, Mac Jones, not much better. Anyway, continue. No, he's not. My God, talk about being bailed out.
Starting point is 00:30:46 My God. Speaking of Wilson's, we have one. This is the new. This is the Elon Musk Award for I spent billions of dollars on this and I don't want it anymore. The what's, What is your return policy award?
Starting point is 00:30:58 Russell Wilson. I accidentally spent $250 million on this quarterback. Could I get that back? What's the small print? Can I get some points? Do I get like credit? Points. Coupons?
Starting point is 00:31:10 You guys got coupons? Take whatever. He can have the house. I just don't want him anymore. So Russell Wilson, just to be clear, Broncos lost today to the Raiders. It was really sad. I just love the idea of Russell Wilson emailing all the other Broncos receivers and being like guys.
Starting point is 00:31:25 We're not hardcore enough. Sign this thing. Sign this thing. If you want to be hardcore. For being hardcore, you're getting laid off. But I have increasingly no words for this Russell Wilson thing. This is like the funniest thing I think has happened since I can even remember the football. I mean, just, I mean, they lost the Raiders today.
Starting point is 00:31:46 They're the Broncos of the first team to not score 20 points on the Raiders this year, which is hilarious. My God. Nate Hackett might get fired tomorrow. We're recording this Sunday night. Yeah. Which fan base is more disgruntled right now and disheveled? The Jets or the Broncos?
Starting point is 00:32:01 It's got to be the Broncos. Easily. The Raiders, like the Raiders, one, they made the playoffs last year. And then also, I think the Raiders, you still look at this as like, McDaniel's taking over, rebuild. Devonte's really good. Devante, I mean, Devonte leaves the league in touch. I guess Kelsey just surpassed them.
Starting point is 00:32:15 But like, there's just like something here. The Broncos, they went all in on this guy who is, I mean, as DECA always points out, Russell Wilson's basically been booed in literally every home game. That is the wildest part to me, man. He hasn't had a home game in which he's not gotten booed. I don't know. Did it happen today? Did they get booed today?
Starting point is 00:32:33 I just assume they had five quarters to do it. I didn't Nate Hackett throw Russell Wilson under the bus today? I didn't actually hear the quote. So I, you know, just taking it from what I saw on Twitter. But basically what I, what happened was late in the game, Hackett told Wilson to take a sack if he didn't have a throw. to get like a first down or whatever. Wilson instead threw the ball away
Starting point is 00:32:57 and that stopped the clock and therefore gave the Raiders more time to come back and tie the game and send it to OT. That was what I saw on Twitter. People were talking about how basically Hackett was like, look, it wasn't my fault. Blamey on Wilson essentially. I, you know, again,
Starting point is 00:33:12 I didn't actually hear the quote, so it might have been misconstrued. That's the scuttle butt on Twitter. Well, I also missed this, but you guys are telling me, I don't know how I missed this, but that Russell Wilson was calling the audibles old Seahawks audibles.
Starting point is 00:33:24 Yeah. He's like getting confused in the huddle. He's calling the wrong place. He's getting his Seahawks and Broncos, everything confused. Can you guys imagine if I just started talking Westworld? You imagine I just started talking Westworld? Just a bunch of Westworld like inside jokes and stuff. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:33:44 This whole thing is crazy to me. Like it's actually surreal from a point of view from a Seahawks man. By the way, the reason the Broncos fans have it far worse is because the Seacox have the Broncos first round pick right now, which I believe is in the top five now after they just lost again this week. So not only do they suck, but they can't get like they're not benefiting from it next year. It's actually almost hard to believe.
Starting point is 00:34:05 It feels like we're living in a simulation that Gino Smith comes in and you're, whatever he is, 11, and turns into like one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, and Russell Wilson immediately is like 11. Like this, it honestly couldn't have gone any better for Seahawks fans. It's like weird. It doesn't feel real to me.
Starting point is 00:34:21 I mentioned this earlier, but you want to do a little panic button? Yeah, I'd say I kind of was looking at a lot of the guys today who have struggled, who have been struggling the last few weeks, I want to do a little panic check. So the scale is one to 10, one being, you know,
Starting point is 00:34:34 I wouldn't even think about benching this player, and 10 being like, I'm ready to drop this guy. So one is not hardcore. Correct. One is super hardcore stay, and 10 is like, so Lamar Jackson, where are you guys at? One to 10 on Lamar Jackson,
Starting point is 00:34:49 who is the 15th best quarterback in fantasy since week four. So it's a very disconcerting game and discouraging game, especially considering he was one of my guys to buy in the second half. I'm still, I still believe in him, but like the passing offense is atrocious. I would have thought that they would have gotten more going on the ground this week.
Starting point is 00:35:07 He only had like 30-something rushing yards. I don't know, man. It's starting to make me word. You have to start up still, don't you? Like, you're going to sit up. If you were going to make a list of the most hollow wins by a team that should be a Super Bowl contender this year,
Starting point is 00:35:20 the Ravens coming out of a buy. and like squeaking by the Carolina Panthers putting Baker Mayfield out there. It was like the least impressive win by a team that like really, really truly, the Ravens won that game and played better, but like, holy shit, that was three to three till almost the bitter end.
Starting point is 00:35:39 And it was like, what is going on? The Ravens are so much more talented in like every facet than Carolina. And it's just, I keep feeling like three. years from now, Lamar Jackson will win another MVP in like a spread. And we're going to be like, what was this whole era of Baltimore? And I kind of can't unthink it now.
Starting point is 00:36:01 And it's just Stephen Reeves has radicalized me of this. It's like everything for Lamar looks hard. Everything. Yes. But also he was sick this week. It didn't play well. So like, I don't know. I mean, if you have Justin Fields to Lamar, it's like you just kind of have to
Starting point is 00:36:15 play fields every week now. Yeah. I mean, yeah, the sick thing is a factor. But this, this line today looked. the same as it has the last seven weeks. And it's not the rushing. He's still on pace to run for, I think, over 1,000 yards. It's the passing.
Starting point is 00:36:29 The team has no playmakers. That's the problem. They had the buy to come out of it with. And you're like, oh, well, they'll figure some stuff. And they just don't. And it's, I think they're going to have to make a change. I think it's at a 5 out of 10. Yeah, that's about where I was going to put it.
Starting point is 00:36:43 Next one, Josh Allen. Josh Allen's the QB 11 since they're by in week eight. So for the last three weeks. They just, something doesn't look right in Buffalo anymore. You know what I mean? I'm not as worried about this. I'm not as worried about Josh Allen. It does look bad.
Starting point is 00:36:57 I think it'll be all right. Yeah, I have it much lower. I have it at 2 out of 10. I'll give it a 2.8. What about the bills in general? They're heard. I think that the Jordan Poyer, Micahide, the safety combo,
Starting point is 00:37:12 not being healthy, has kind of quietly been the most important thing that's happened to them the entire year. And I think that Mike Hyde being out for the year, I don't think it's coincidence that the bill's lost those two games that Jordan Boyer was like also out. It's,
Starting point is 00:37:24 and Tranevis White hasn't even played this year. I feel like that's really their biggest problem. But this guy, I know this isn't even like what you're asking, but what was with them like, on one hand it was so cool to see all their, like the neighbors of all the players like shoveling them out. And like,
Starting point is 00:37:39 this is so cool. It's so Buffalo. And all I could think was, why didn't these guys leave on Thursday? What the fuck? Get a camper and go to airport. Wait there. How did we know that they were like,
Starting point is 00:37:51 going to have to move this game. And they didn't just, like, the whole point was because the snow was starting. Why didn't they leave? Like came down to the wire, too. They were like, they're at the airport. The plane took off. Do you think that to do with practice facility locations? Like, they wanted to practice in Buffalo?
Starting point is 00:38:06 I have no idea because you can figure that out. Like, I mean, you, there is somewhere in the Detroit area they can practice. Now, I understand, like, there's real life. Like, all these guys have families and they have to, like, make sure. their families are good for a snowstorm. And like, by the way, honey, I'm not coming home until after Thanksgiving, but like, I don't know. It's just weird that.
Starting point is 00:38:28 It's like in those, those, uh, like horror movies with like zombies and stuff, the post-apocalyptic movies where people find out there's, you know, like zombies descending on the city and they don't leave. Like, what are you doing? Like, go. Don't wait for the traffic. Go. I'm going to go to my basement.
Starting point is 00:38:47 Um, but you're right. So next guy, we talked about Sequel and Barclay. There's just one other who I'm worried about. about. Damien Pierce, who has kind of been like the gem of the rookie running back crew this year, everybody loves Damien Pierce. It's a great story. But he's been staying alive with volume, and he's been efficient, right? Like, he's running for mostly five yards he carry most days. He hasn't had a touchdown since week five. The Texans are getting worse by the day. And I think right now, if you're a Damien Pierce manager, and he's been so great for you this entire season,
Starting point is 00:39:19 I think he's a sell high right now if you can still sell him. I put him panic level like seven or eight out of ten. I'm just worried about this team from a game script perspective. How it played out today was how I thought it was going to play out the entire season and it just hasn't been the case. But if you go into the fantasy playoffs and if you're trying to win a title, weeks 14, 15, and 16, which is the meat of the last regular season game in the fantasy in the first two weeks to playoffs.
Starting point is 00:39:43 They play Dallas, the Chiefs, and the Titans. Ooh. That's a really good note right there. I'm at a, yeah, I'll give you an eight for Damien Pierce. I forget who said this today, but someone was like, the Texans are the quietest tank in like history. Every team that gets, it does tanking, everyone's like, they're tanking. And then this offseason, it's like actually tanking is legit real. We've proved it.
Starting point is 00:40:07 And no one note, like the Texans are so cruising to the number one pick. And it's, they're going to dismantle this thing as it goes. Davis Mills. Not good. Is that where we are, Craig? Because I think earlier in the season, you're kind of like, I kind of like him, a little feisty, where are we at now? No, I mean, listen, is he like better than Zach Wilson?
Starting point is 00:40:26 Yeah. But I think C.J. Stroud's going to be in the Texans. Is Davis Mills the worst quarterback in the NFL? No, because Zach Wilson is still playing. But other than that. Other than that, he's not being that great. Next award here, this is the What Does Vegas Know any given Saturday award. On Friday, we talked about this Colts line.
Starting point is 00:40:44 This, you know, this Eagles team was 8-1 going up against a shitty, Colts. And the line was six and a half. The Eagles are favored by six and a half. And I thought it was going to be like double digit. So we, you know, we started to look into it. What do you know, Vegas? Well, it turns out for all the reasons we laid out on Friday, all those things happened. Hertz was held under 200 yards. The Colts dominated the clock. They're great against wide receivers and fantasy. A.J. Brown, Devante Smith had mediocre games. Matt Ryan was solid at home. Jonathan Taylor ran well. They barely lost by one. Final drive, the Eagles marched down. Jalen Hertz ran in a touchdown. It essentially came down to Matt Ryan being a fucking statue
Starting point is 00:41:20 and he got sacked in a few crucial moments. But I wanted to point out that I see you, Vegas. Craig saved the hyphids family a tremendous amount of money. By the way, I had to tell you, my best prediction, my most accurate prediction of the whole year was on Friday when I said, my dad is going to see this line at 1245 before the game start. We got to put the Eagles. And in 15 minutes, he's going to be like,
Starting point is 00:41:42 Danny, we got to put so much. And I literally was like, dad, Craig, was like, something's up with this. And I looked at, I was like, why is it just 12? It's six. He's like, you're right. And I'm like, boom. So we saved.
Starting point is 00:41:56 13 to 3 Colts for most of the game. They were winning. Honestly, it wasn't surprising that they won, but I, it started like the New York, you know, the New York Times needle on like the elections. You started tick. And I'm like, oh my God, the Colts got to like 53. You know what I mean? In my mind's eye.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Also, speaking of the Vegas thing, we talked about the Bill's Brown's game. The line, the whole week, I was like, I don't know what to do with the line. I'm like, where's this game going to be? It's going to be in the snow. Is it going to be in the cold? But is it going to be in Detroit? The whole lot, wait, it was like eight points. Game was exactly eight points.
Starting point is 00:42:27 How do they do that? How do they do that? They don't know what city the game was going to be in. We're just now just like, wow, Vegas. I know, but this one's like, it was going to be in three feet of snow. Nope, it's in a dome. And it's like, they got it right. I'm just like, this is crazy.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Sorcerous. I'm just amazed. The interns they got over there must be. Next award here. This helps no one award. And it goes to Samajé P. Ryan, who had three touchdowns today. He was the second best running back in fantasy football. They had 28 points.
Starting point is 00:43:00 Not a single person in the world started him. If you're with your kids, listen to this. I've got to just pause. Your must. Big, big earmuffs, sitch for if you got kids. We spent, I don't know, a good 20 minutes texting each other, trying to figure out, is this a fantasy cuckold? Is this, did Smaji P. Rhine cuck Joe Mixon, a manager? And then Craig and I got to a big argument of whether cucking is an insult or Craig's like, yeah, cucking is like the person who's getting cuckolded wants that. That's like their fantasy. So it's like a good thing for them. And I'm like, no, it's an insult. You call them a cuck. It's an insult. It could be both. But I was under the impression, at least colloquially, that a cuckold was somebody who enjoyed watching their partner have sex with someone else.
Starting point is 00:43:44 whatever you call them like a beta or they're like a subservient partner, whatever. But I always thought it was they got, they derived pleasure from watching their partner have sex. Is that wrong? No, that's correct. But it's a negative connotation because they derive pleasure from being like humiliated. Like it's sadomasochism. If you're a Joe Mixing manager, you're not deriving pleasure from smoggle beer with scoring. Here's the end of the day, we didn't figure out if this is being cut.
Starting point is 00:44:10 Yeah, all right. I'm actually so proud of you guys. That was an extremely accurate. representation of the texts. And I'm just sitting here watching and I'm like, man, I don't know what to do with any of this. And the weirdest part was I see both sides. I was like, you know what, Craig?
Starting point is 00:44:25 I've never thought of that. I mean, I appreciate that Craig doesn't kink shame and that's great. Like, everybody has their thing. The way that it's used in American like slang, it's like being cucked is not a good thing. Well, to me, this is just a tried and true black and white vulturing. This is a vulture. That's, yes.
Starting point is 00:44:42 It's not a cuckhold. It's a mold. I don't even know what a cuckold would be in fantasy because why would you be deriving pleasure? I guess it would be like... I think it's if this is my hypothesis, if you're playing someone who had magically started smasji P. Rine today, you got cuckolded by that person because P. Ryan scored three touchdowns and mixing didn't do anything, you got hurt. But again, you're not happy about it. It doesn't really make sense, though.
Starting point is 00:45:08 But you're not happy about it. You're not deriving pleasure from getting cuckolded. I don't think a fantasy cuckold is possible. But All right, this is where I have to admit. Did you guys, D.K., you're older than me. Did I, I learned the word cook from like 100%
Starting point is 00:45:30 I learned this from like Russian bots calling it people that on like Twitter during the 2016 election. Was that an insult before like five years ago that people threw around? I don't, it wasn't, it definitely was not like commonly used when I was like a teenager growing up and stuff.
Starting point is 00:45:47 that wasn't something we threw around, that I can remember, at least. I think it's more recently used, like, commonly. It's the first insult I learned that was, like, in a political context. When did cuck rise to popularity? Yeah, let's get. We're going to, by the way, the search history on cucking is going to spike after this podcast, just like the ostrich dick. Yeah, can we, can we briefly say that?
Starting point is 00:46:13 We talked about ostrich penises, and then somebody told us that the go. the Google analytics on the amount of searches for ostrich penises spiked the day our episode game. Well, so to speak, because ostrich penises themselves are spites. Yeah, that's right. Are they? Wow.
Starting point is 00:46:29 I don't know. I didn't look at the pictures. Tomorrow's about to be a big day for the word cuck. I also learn that duck penises are like corkscrew shaped. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Anyway, I'm not going to Google any of this. So anyway, Somage Pyrine.
Starting point is 00:46:43 I don't know what he did, but he scored three touchdowns. I don't know what he is. I don't know what we label him, but it helped no one. Probably not cucking. Here's one last thing I wanted to mention. Money in the couch cushions award, which High Fitz pointed out, people don't really have cash anymore. So this is, you found money in the Venmo account award. Nice.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Second half rookie bump for rookie receivers. It's on. This happens every year. I feel like we kind of forget it every year, but it does happen. And if you look at the leaderboard, that's the fantasy leaderboard this week, it's just chock full of rookie receivers. Crystal Lave, the Y receiver. 5. Christian Watson, the wide receiver 6.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Wondell Robinson, the wide receiver 7. He hurt his knee, so that probably doesn't matter going forward. George Pickens, the wide receiver 8. Traylon Burks, wide receiver 9 in PPR. So anyways, that's really fun. Going forward, like, if you remember last year, I'm on Ross St. Brown, Jalen Waddle. We're both wide receiver ones from week 9 on.
Starting point is 00:47:33 They really won people leagues probably in some cases. So that list of guys that I just listed off. Maybe Christian Watson's that guy this year. Maybe Pickens is that guy, Berks, potentially. I don't know. I just think it's exciting. I'm a big draft nerd. I'm excited to see that going forward.
Starting point is 00:47:49 I'm pretty proud of us because we had Wondell's an ad. We had Watson. I mean, we had Watson, obviously. He had his big game. But we had Pickens and Trelland Berks's Bailos last week. Look at us. Trail and Berks and I made banana bread too. Today's Rookie Mistake Award is presented by Snickers.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Sometimes you're out of sorts and you make a mistake that could have been avoided. If you just had a Snickers. My rookie mistake was starting Cadarius Tony on my fantasy football team. Listen, injury proneness is a real thing. And I have to recognize that. I have to accept that as a person. And Cadarious Tony heard his hamstring in the first five minutes of the game. And I got to understand that, you know what?
Starting point is 00:48:27 I need a stronger medical record before I can really start somebody. So perhaps if I wasn't hungry and I had to Snickers, I wouldn't have done that. Shame. Rookie mistake. Maybe you just need a Snickers. Snickers, the official chocolate bar sponsor, the NFL. Check out Snickers.com slash rookie mistake. Injury proneness is real.
Starting point is 00:48:44 I'm back on. Craig just kind of waffles on that. I don't remember you being off of it. My like 10 commandments of fantasy just have a lot of scratch marks on them. A lot of things crossed out, rewritten. I want to shout out the Chicago Navy midshipman because the Bears Falcons had their little
Starting point is 00:49:03 service academy game where they never throw the ball. And we literally on Friday's set and over under how many passes attempts in this game. And Craig threw out 40 and they literally threw 41 passes in this game. Not bad. So we are just as good.
Starting point is 00:49:19 is Vegas. Well, shout out that Navy, Air Force, and Army, all three service academies, won in college football this weekend. None of them had a completion. They all won the game, attempting four passes, attempting four passes combined. Those three teams collectively attempted four passes, and they all won. Like real man. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on in football. Today, today in the NFL, 11 quarterbacks threw for under 200 yards. 11. Five of them won the game. Wild. Insane. All right. Best part of the show, Craig.
Starting point is 00:49:54 All right. I added a wrinkle today. Uh-oh. This is the many tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts in the first half. And one lie. So I'm taking Kyle Pitts's full game total, 5.8 points. And I'm going to compare him to the amount of tight ends who outscored him in the first half alone. And one lie. here are the tight ends who outscored Cal Pitts in the first half
Starting point is 00:50:17 Joanne Johnson Travis Kelsey Pat Friermuth again this is all in the first half Logan Thomas Joe Fortson I don't think Joe Fortson's a real person Jody Fortson
Starting point is 00:50:29 Is this you trying to trick us His real name is Joseph Fortson Fordson for what it's true Oh is it? Really? Yeah So technically you're right Well maybe that was a lie All of them
Starting point is 00:50:41 Correct everybody. Jody Fortson outscored Kyle Pitts in a half. Kyle Pitts, tied in 14 on the day. Feels like a win for him. The only silver lining is Kyle Pitts might have it like an injury
Starting point is 00:50:55 and so now you can cut him without feeling guilty. Honestly, great point. Who we burn? I would like to nominate DeAnda Swift. I know that DeAnd Swift had like a solid game today and he did have a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:51:05 He keeps escaping with touchdowns. But like he had five carries today. Just going to throw it out there. Kind of thing. Andrew Swift is like, it feels almost unstartable at this point. I know you had a touchdown, but it was like, in a way. What about Kirk Cousins?
Starting point is 00:51:19 I was actually just saying, you know, yeah. Like, what do you do? If you have Kirk Cousins, you just don't know what to do every week. That's how I feel about Matthew Stafford too now. No, you can't start. No, you cut Matthew Stafford. He is useless. I guess, I don't know, if you go back and Kirk's last five games, 17, 17, 23, 16, 23, so maybe he's not so bad.
Starting point is 00:51:38 He had two points. Derek Henry had more fantasy points as a passer than Kirk Cousins is. Also, I just feel so bad for the Minnesota fans. Like, I can't think of a bigger shift in, like, opinion on a player than with Kirk cousins every week. I bet you if you pulled Minnesota fans seven days ago and you said, how are you feeling about Kirk long term? They'd probably been like, he's coming to his own.
Starting point is 00:51:58 We're great. You know? Oh, I mean, they were 8 and 1 in divisions and shambles. They just beat the bills. I bet you they'd be like, we think Kirk is the guy. And now this week, I bet you they're like, we don't want to touch him next year. Vikings fans I understand
Starting point is 00:52:13 it's really annoying to have like a bunch of people and like national people just kind of be like you guys suck you guys are frauds and yet
Starting point is 00:52:21 ask them if they want Kirk Cousins extended they don't know it's every week the pendulum swings I don't know who to burn
Starting point is 00:52:28 what about Mike Williams no it just comes back from injury no I feel bad I can't do I can't do him what about
Starting point is 00:52:38 Chase Claypool have we already burned him? We burn the whole Steelers. Probably not already playing anyway. We already burned the Steelers, but he changed teams, so he's eligible again. I think, I think I would go, I think Kirk Cousins of DeAndre Swift that would do before those guys. Although I guess Swift had a touchdown. You can burn Kirk Crette's.
Starting point is 00:52:54 I'm not, you guys can burn him. I'm still going to be playing Deandre's because I'm an idiot. I'm firing up it. I'm firing him up every week. I feel like people, we don't understand what the burn book is. Does this mean the state of fantasy is good right now? We can't find anybody to burn. Have we gotten everybody?
Starting point is 00:53:10 Have we swept them all up? Who was on Biden? Can we burn somebody on buying? We haven't burned Melvin Gordon. Oh, that's a good one. Ugh. Cream Hunt, honestly, Kareem Hunt. Kareem Hunt is supposed to be startable.
Starting point is 00:53:24 Kreme Hunt is awful and unplayable. He's been like single digits every single. Cream hunt's supposed to be like the best handcuffed fantasy, but also like a flex player. Cream hunt is unplayable. Oh, that's a really good one. He's essentially A.J. Dillon. Kareem Hunt should literally, if he did not have like past production, should not, he should be released in fantasy.
Starting point is 00:53:45 But you can't do that because he's good. I feel good about it. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you to Kai for production helps. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, P. Diddy, or Diddy, if you will. Which is it right now?
Starting point is 00:53:59 I don't even know. I think it's Diddy. One of my favorite videos of all time is P. Diddy, the meme of him getting off the phone after presumably signing some big deal and making a lot of money. And he goes, I'm a savage! You ever seen that?
Starting point is 00:54:12 Anything I want I must get. You haven't seen that? No. Well, it's one of the best. It's one of the greats. The people right now who know what I'm talking about, you're having a good time.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Me and you guys, we're all having a good time. Kai just dropped it in the chat. You stud? Oh, let me watch it. Oh, it's so good. This is how I felt when I spent $5 on Damien Pierce
Starting point is 00:54:31 and he had that awesome game. The second, he ran that 75-year touchdown against the Chargers. I did what Pete Diddy did. Oh my God. He's throwing shit. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:54:45 This is what? Is that real? Or is he acting? I think it's real. Genuine. Imagine how much money you have to make to just trash your office. This office kind of sucks for how rich he is. Well,
Starting point is 00:54:57 he clearly just made a lot of money. I think that was perhaps his first windfall. Okay. I was going to say, this is just like, it's like a glorified cubicle. He could afford to trash it. now. That was definitely me when I kept getting Kyle Pitts in the fourth round. I'm like, yeah, he's like, he's like got like a fucking terrible printer in the back. I don't know. This just like a shi-printers are wild. Prenters are like the one technology that there's no generation of
Starting point is 00:55:23 people that ever figured them out. No. The printer that I use right now was just as shitty as the first printer invented. We got an email about this. Hi, Fitz. Someone said, because I was bitching a moment about Bluetooth, you know, not improving in the last 10 years. I think someone emailed said, why do printers still suck? Why do we have to still get those, like, you know, the color things that are just like fucking fucking cyan and magenta? Your parents will ask you for advice on like tech or just how do I do this, how do that? And you can answer the question.
Starting point is 00:55:53 And then your parents ask you for printer help and you're like, oh, my fucking God, I got to figure this out now too. And now you're dealing with it. And you're like, but it's impossible. Yeah, I feel like I could more easily. build an iPhone and understand how a printer works, how to set up a plane. Oh, my God. All right.
Starting point is 00:56:08 Goodbye, everyone.

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