The Ringer NFL Show - Week 12 Awards

Episode Date: November 29, 2021

We recap the Week 12 slate by giving out awards, including Late Season Lenny, Guy You Don’t Want to Admit Is Great, M. Night Shanahan, We’re Not Mad Just Disappointed, and more. Later we induct the next player into the 2021 Fantasy Burn Book and recap our day of prop bets. Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Danny Kelly Associate Producer: Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everybody, this is Warren Sharp, NFL analyst over at Sharp Football Analysis. I want to welcome you to The Ringer Gambling Show. Join me on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays each week during the NFL season with guests Chris Vernon, Ben Solac, and Joe House to guide you through the NFL betting landscape. We'll be talking spreads, game totals, parlays, player props, futures, and much, much more. Be sure to follow the Ringer Gambling Show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football. show. My name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig

Horlebeck. Oh, just kidding. Craig actually has a broken toe. I don't know if the toes immunized or what. Craig's not here. That's the point. It's just E. Craig is going to be putting his toe on Twitter as early as tomorrow. Yeah, we actually, we're going to get Craig to put his feet up on the Zoom. We will find a picture of Craig's feet. We're going to put it on the internet. Until then, it's just D.K. and I, week 12 was done, save for Monday night football. We're not going to talk about Sunday and football.

That game was an absolute abomination. I don't really want to give it any of my time or energy. It already took too much of it up. Yeah, I think I saw

the Browns had three points off of four Lamar Jackson interceptions. It's not a good way to win the game. Yeah, we don't have to talk

about Sunday night football too much. That's a bad game. It took forever. It felt like it was the longest game ever. I don't know why, but I've got it's over.

I don't know why there was like a fourth and two and then there was a pouty and then there was a fourth and two again. And then they had 12 men of the field and then the coaches yelled at each other and then the refs yelled it and then there was another fourth and two and then they got the pound I don't that was actually the I don't every now and then there's a stretch and I'm like do I know anything about football dude there's

too many rules this that was football bureaucracy right there in action it's like just it's a battleship you don't want you don't want anything to change too quickly so they put all these rules in and it's like very hard to like navigate and you have to get checked with everyone Oh, God. It was terrible. Anyway, the Browns Ravens, no-one won, award you no points, mercy on all of our souls. All of us are dumber for having seen it. Let's get to the awards.

Yeah. D.K. Yo. Take us home right here. I want to start out with the late season Lenny Award. If you remember last year, playoff Lenny, Lombardi Lenny, Leonard Fernette really went off down the stretch. He's had a pretty good season, you know, throughout. So I'm not like saying he's coming out of nowhere.

However, he just went absolutely bonkers today. for the Buccaneers, 17 carries 100 yards, three touchdowns. I added seven catches, 31 yards, another touchdown. 44 points. That's the last time he scored 44 points. Has he scored 44 points in his career?

I didn't actually look at it up. It was certainly the first four touchdown game of his career. That was a high. That's our guy. This is Lenny. Dude, Andy put the game away with like this clutch run at the end of the game and just like, you know,

buried. And I'm totally blanking on who played. Oh, the Colts. He basically did the Jonathan Taylor impersonation. I know that he did. didn't look dearly as dynamic as Taylor, but still, impressive game. Well, it was weird because remember Taylor scored as many touchdowns against the bucks as they had allowed all year.

And then Lenny Ford did that today. I think he had four touchdowns. And I think the Colts came into the game having allowed like only four or five rushing touchdowns to running backs the whole season. Wow. So it's just like that again. But for all those who don't know, Lenny is an old favorite of ours. Lenny captured my heart personally when I found out that his Twitter background

photo was the Sistine Chapel ceiling, but it was God creating Leonard Furnett. Is this still his thing, by the way? I got, I don't know. I didn't check. I'm looking at this thing. Like, it was God handing off to Leonard Fornett. Like that was this. And I was like, you know what?

This guy's still there. It's definitely still there. He's incredible. Love Lenny. I love Lenny too. Like, he's, he's become a guy that I look forward to watching. He's not like, again, I'm, I'm not saying he's the best running back in the NFL. But it's just kind of cool to see him, you know, get cut from the Jags last year.

It looked like his career was going off the rails. I've been a doubter in the past. I was probably even a little bit of a doubter in the off season. He keeps kind of like proving me wrong and proving the haters wrong and, you know, sticking in there. Obviously, Tom Brady trusted, which is why he's getting, you know, this three-down workload that he is. And it's awesome for fantasy. He's been one of the best values in fantasy all year. And it doesn't really seem like it's going to change.

Like down the stretch, he could be a big, big, you know, like guy for his teams going down the stretch just because the Buccaneers offense scores a lot of points, really good offense. I think Brady's going to get better as they go along here. And so, yeah, Lenny Forrens, late season for ins, playoff foreign. We predicted this. We just predicted this for Ronald Jones. But like, we said halfway through that Ronald Jones, whoever won this job, us think it would be Ronald Jones would be like a top eight, top 10 running back. Leonard Fordet right now averaging like 18 half or half full PPR 18 full PPR points per game

which would be like running back six on the whole year last year but also forget the numbers like Lenny Furnett's just a fun guy he's hilarious first of all you give a half time speech good for him two did you like did I send you did you actually read the article I sent you about like the group chat face time thing that happened with the bucks this week no explain it okay for the people haven't seen this

and or D.K. who does not read the things I send him, even though I sent him. You sent it to me during the games today. It was crazy. Okay. So some kids, I don't know if it's middle school or high school,

some kids in Michigan and a basketball team, their basketball season starting for like high school. And they put together a group chat. And one of these kids accidentally puts like a seven instead of an eight into one of the numbers for their friend. Oh, yeah. So some rando was on the chat. Instead of texting their friend,

they text Sean Murphy Bunting, who was like a cornerback for. the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's from Michigan. And they put him in and he's like, yo, like, do you guys know who this is? He's like, I'm not your friend, Luca or whatever. Luca.

And they're like, no, and he's like, I am on the box. And they're like, no, you're not. And he sends a picture of himself at his locker. They're like, no, no, no, you just found that on the internet. And he's like, he facetimes the group. Oh, my God. To prove it's him. And it's like him in the locker room.

And he ends up the phone to Leonard Fordette. And Leonard Fordet thinks this is so funny. that Leonard Frenet takes Murphy Bunting's phone and gives it around the whole locker room, gives it to Mike Evans, gives the ball the phone to grunk. They're all FaceTime with this thing. Leonard Frenet takes it to the quarterback meeting room

to find Tom Brady. They have 10 minutes until the meeting's over. Leonard Frenet waits 10 minutes till Brady's done and then gives these random 10 kids FaceTime with Tom Brady. Oh my God. That's classic. This is on par with like the famous story.

of Bill Murray just showing up to like house parties and stuff. I mean, I know it's not in the flesh, but still, that's pretty great. Yeah, what's that story about Bill Murray? It's like he walked up to someone to McDonald's and, like, took a French fry and ate it and stared them in the eyes and it's like, no one will ever believe you. Yeah. And then we have no idea if that's a true story or not. I love that.

All right. Lenny's awesome. Okay. I'm giving an award. Guy that you don't want to admit is great. Is I'm going to give it to Cordarell Patterson. Because once again, RIPM, me. for Mike Davis. I think half the people who I convinced to take Mike Davis has ended up the court

Darrell Patterson and they are in a roundabout way very happy. And the other way, are you going to be patting yourself on the back here? What's happening? No, the other half hate me and I deserve it. Okay, okay. The people who didn't get him hate me and it's fine. But I didn't even, I even doubted Patterson this week because they had a high ankle sprain. And I was like, how is he going to come back from a high ankle sprain so soon? I mean, high ankle sprain keep people out for two months sometimes. How's he going to come back from this so soon? He had 18 touches for 135 yards and two touchdowns today. He was like the RB4. He's so good, man. It's so weird. It's like funny because I think he wears number 84. He's just running around in the backfield. And I believe he got

most of his production from the actual backfield today. Yeah, he only had like a couple of catches. And so man, this is such a fun story. It's such a weird career arc for him. Obviously, he kind of, you know, he went to a couple different teams. He was a first round pitch. Like there was always the athleticism was always there. The potential and the talent was always there. It just took teams, I guess, a long time to figure out how to utilize him correctly or whatever. He's in his 30s.

Yeah, he was a returner. Like, basically he was a returner. He just became the best kick returner of all time to the point where everyone gave up on him having a regular role. Yeah. And then once he set the record or tied the record for most kickoff return touchdowns in his 30s just became. Here's the thing.

He's not like some gadget guy. He is the offense. They can't function without him, as was just proven, the last two weeks that he missed. I mean, first of all, fantasy-wise, he's also an A1 star at this point. Since week one, when he really, like, became the guy in this offense, his worst game, not counting the game that he got hurt, his worst game's been 14 points, fantasy-wise. Like, he's basically about 17 and a half points per game in fantasy, depending on, you know, PPR or half PPR, but he's about 17 and a half.

that's basically Justin Jefferson since week one. Like as a running back, that's Alvin Camara. That is what Corderole Patterson's been doing. I think one of the biggest regrets I have like this season, obviously there's been a lot of weird stuff

that's happened, but like especially in Dynasty, like not picking up Corderole Patterson everywhere because he was just on waiver wires. It was insane. And now I'm just like, because like I've said this before on the pot,

but like I just want to reiterate it. I was like very hyper-focused on, I was grabbing like Quadri-Allison. I was grabbing Caleb Huntley, this undrafted free agent guy. I had all these guys. I literally had all these guys in my dynasty teams, and I completely ignored the most obvious one, which was Cordero Patterson, was sitting there the whole time. I never even bothered to think about grabbing him.

Well, it's like, there's been four different years where we heard they're going to get him involved in the offense more in plot twist. They did, the Vikings said it two or three times. Matt Nagy said it. They said in the Patriots, like, it just never happened. How was it? I don't know. Look, I mean, this is clearly a huge, huge outlier.

still, it's a great story, you know, I'm happy for him. And honestly, like, the cool thing is it doesn't really feel like this is going to be a one one-off type thing. Like, he could continue to have a career for a couple of years here. Forget the one-off. This has already been so influential. Okay. Sam Monson works at Pro Football Focus.

He's an analyst there. He wrote a great story a couple years ago, basically arguing. We always talk about, like, Christian McCaffrey being a running back that splits out to the slot and like, ooh, running backs that can line about wide. It's basically useless. Like, there's two or three running backs that can run a route better than receiving. or like the guy covering them. What's actually valuable is receivers lining up as running backs.

He wrote this like two or three years ago. This season, it's been operationalized. Corderlyle, like what the, sorry, it's Cordero. What the Falcons have done with Corderole Patterson has been ripped by the Niners and Debo Samuel's doing it and they took it even further. Now Debo's just doing it. Now you're seeing, I mean, didn't Cooper Cup catch a touchdown out of the backfield the other day?

I think receivers playing out of the backfield and motioning in at running back when the defense thinks they're in empty and the receiver motioning into the backfield as a running back and taking a carry or just a screen or whatever, I think it's getting ripped everywhere and I think it's going to be more so December and January. I think the Chiefs might take it for Tyree Kilder on Byweek this week. I don't know, but this is all from Cordarrel Patterson what Arthur Smith figured out with the Falcons. It's crazy. I mean, I think I do think it's not like necessarily new, but they're definitely doing a great job of it. And it reminds me what you're talking about with the 49ers. I think Robert Mays and Nate Tice were talking about this on the

athletic show the other day. There was a play, I believe, last week for the 49ers where they came out in like their normal personnel, whatever it was, like two running backs or two tight ends. I can't remember, which one it was. But everybody on the team lined up in like a weird spot. Like for instance, like Brandon Ayyuk lined up with like his hand in the dirt like he was a tight end. And then they had Jeff Wilson on the wing. They had Debo in the backfield. And it was like, this is, this is what the nerds have been wanting for so long. Like positionless football, positionless football, everybody's doing their thing. It's so difficult.

And basically what Nate and Mays were saying was basically this is so hard for the defense because when this happens, like the defense is thinking. They're not reacting. They're not fast. They don't know exactly where they're supposed to be. Like, you know, the safety's like, oh, God, who am I supposed to be, you know, matching up with here or whatever? So like, it makes them thinking.

It makes them slow. And that's what we've always been wanting. So I love what they're doing with Cordero Patterson. And my guy that I want to talk about here is Debo Samuel this week. And we're giving him the M-night Shanahan Award or the M-night Shaman, however we want to put it, because there was a massive plot twist. We're putting together to the dock during the games, you know, just to peek behind the curtain here. Hyvitz and I are talking like during the games during the day. And I just, I'm like, I want to talk about Debo-Samiel.

This guy is freaking amazing. He's awesome. He's so good. Like everything he does is so exciting. He's doing all this stuff at the backfield. He's basically the best running back on their team. You know? And then all of a sudden, the rug gets pulled out from under us.

Debo gets hurt. And honestly, right away, I thought, like, this was something serious. Like, the way, like... We talked about this. Like, don't make the judgments. You have no idea. I know. I know.

And that's on me because I've heard you say this many, many times. And I still haven't bought into it. I was trying to do, like, my amateur, like, body language reading. and his body language was like, oh, God, this is something bad. But it sounds like it's just a groin injury. So hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, this is obviously Sunday night, so we don't know. Hopefully it's not too serious. He said he doesn't seem concerned about it.

Obviously, you know, I don't know if they'll know really until later this week if he's going to be able to come back. But it doesn't sound like it's a season ending thing. So that's really promising. Regardless, Devo Samuel has been having an awesome season. I want to throw out some stats here that I saw on Twitter that I think are just really cool. Field De8's pointing this out. he had a rushing touchdown. Debo Sam had a rushing touchdown.

Field Yates. Okay, Debo had a rushing touchdown. Field Yates had a rushing touchdown. No. Field Yates pointed this out on Twitter. Debo had a rushing touchdown for the third straight game this week. He is the first receiver to do that in three straight games in 20 years. So that's crazy.

Wow. He also has five rushing touchdowns on the season, which is more than Dalvin Cook, Christian McCaffrey, Aaron Jones, Alvin Camara, David Montgomery, Sequin Barclay. DeVos Samuel has more rushing touchdowns. He came into the week as the wide receiver three. If you go back to the preseason, his ADP was wide receiver 36, 84th overall. And now he's potentially going to go into next season.

I mean, assuming nothing crazy happens with his injury as like a top 20 pick, I guess? Like, what do you think? At what point should you just be a running back? I mean, this is kind of a cool conversation. I mean, like between Patterson and Debo. they're kind of blending the actual definition of what players are. Like when I watch Debo play for the 49ers, today, the last few weeks,

my honest, there are moments when I think, wow, that kid's really good. He plays every position. I bet he'll get a scholarship. And I'm like, wait,

he's already in the NFL. This isn't a high school game. Like, that's what I think, though. I'm like, oh, that's just the guy who plays quarterback and linebacker.

But, like, we always always say, like, if you could make a team out of, like, you could have, like,

copies of every player. But every player had to be like the same player, what player would be the best way to win a football game? Is it every, you know, 22 J.J. Watts or like, you know, right. 22, you know, Taseem Hills. I think it's 22 Debo Samuels. Like, he's the best athlete in the league.

I think he's taken up that mantle. He's so quick. Like, his foot speed is incredible. I don't know. It's hard to explain, obviously, like, how someone runs. I always make it a bit to, like, explain how someone runs. I don't have, like, a good one for Debo, but he just looks so fast. the bumper cars.

We didn't even hit the... Yeah, Letterfordet runs like a bumper car. Like, he's just like straight line, bangs into someone, veers off, bangs into someone like reverses. Debo's like a motorcycle in like an action movie,

like a getaway. He's like, he can just do all these weird turns and stuff, but he's very powerful. It's like a Batmobile. He's just so much fun to watch. Again, hopefully he's okay.

You know, he was making it sound like it's not too serious after the game, but you know, players live like, you think Craig's gonna listen to this podcast. We can give Craig homework and be like,

hey Craig, find out what moves like Debo Samuel does. And if he actually shows up this week and tells us, we'll know he listened to the pod. I bet he's not going to listen. He's not going to listen. Okay. That's crazy.

Okay. So Debo gets, what does you call the M-night Shannon? The M-night Shanahan Award? That's good. M-night Shamillan. All right. I got one here.

I got me give it a award. We're going to go back to Thanksgiving here. We haven't done a pod since Thanksgiving. Yeah. We haven't talked since Thanksgiving, which is weird. So I'm going to go that this day was supposed to be about family. I'm going to give that to the referees, the Raiders Cowboys game of Thanksgiving.

Did you watch this game? So I was in and out watching it, obviously, because we were doing family stuff and eating and all that stuff. But I was definitely following along on Twitter, and people were starting to have, they were losing their freaking minds

over the officiating. Like, I saw Simmons even tweeted about, like, I can't remember it was the end of the game. They're like, oh, they left too much time on the clock for Sean Hockley. Dude, yeah. So the game was reffed by Ed Hockhilly's kid. Ed Hockley, the muscle guy who explains everything.

His son is also a ref now. And his son, like, this guy is already notorious for the flags. Seriously, I watched the middle of this game. I was, there was a lot of turkey responsibilities for me. And then, like, we actually sat down for dinner in the middle. So, like, I saw the beginning. And my brother and I look at each other, were like, why are they throwing so many flags? And we're like, that's weird.

These are all really important plays that are being decided by the rest. Get to the end of the game. and I see these stats. There were 14 pounties for each team. Ridiculous. 28 pounties in total. This was from Michael David Smith at Pro Football Talk. This was the first NFL game in 18 years

in which both teams had 14 or more pounties and 100 or more pounty yards for both teams. It was the most pounties in Cowboys history and the most pounty yardage in Cowboys history. What the fuck, man? By the way, reversed to Wednesday when I did a very, like,

impassioned rant about how much I hate officiating. And then this happened. Did they hear me? Is this like because of me? Is this my fault, if it's or is this just a coincidence? The moon,

the moon had something to do with this. Maybe it was, uh, I don't know. Um, yeah, I was getting a lot of tweets about that. Like people would be like, you're going to,

you're going to love what you're seeing from this game. I got to tell you. So the first of the poundies affected the game. Like they were all, we don't have to legislate a game that's like four days old at this point. But like it ended up being the most watched Thanksgiving game in 30 years. So the joke's on us. I mean,

at the end of the day, like the NFL, Thanksgiving is a day that it's ostensibly about family. And the NFL program's about eight hours of it for your life. Like a third of, like you're asleep. Let's say people actually sleep eight hours of Thanksgiving. Like the only day, maybe all year people sleep eight hours.

half of your day of your waking life on Thanksgiving is just football. And we just sit here and complain about the penalties. But like nothing will change. They have us. I mean, something could, this is like your PPR stuff. Like something could change.

The rest could just stop fucking throwing flags. And we could all just like have more fun. By the way, yeah, like last year, they all let, it was like, you know,

like a drug dealer gives you like the first one for free. It's like they gave us the first one for free. I know. It was great. It's, did they change? I really loved it. I can't believe they went back. They threw less flags. And what was our whole thing

last year? Like, no one care. They couldn't go back. Not one person was like, I'm upset that holdings down. No one was upset. I can't believe they went back. Okay. I want to say one more thing though. And I lost my train and thought, hold on. What was I going to say? You can think of it. We'll get the thought train going.

Chew-choo. Come on, D.K. Oh, God. Oh, no, I was looking at the game book for this game. There was 28 penalties in this game, there was still almost a thousand yards of offense in this game. The fucking, so the Raiders ran 77 plays and had 509 yards. Well, there was overtime, but yeah, no, it was a crazy game. I mean, like, can you imagine how fun this game would have been if there wasn't 28 freaking

penalties? I mean, I know that I understand that like some of the penalties benefited the offense too, but like still, it's just, I don't know, just get out of the way and let, let them play football. Also, Sean Hoculis, if he's going to do this, he, his arm. need to be bigger than his dad's. I'm sorry, which is the fact. Okay.

DB Cooper Award biggest disappearance, D.K. All right, back to Sunday. This one was weird. I mean, we talked about Lenny Fornes, playoff Lenny,

late season Lenny. However, some production, his production came at the expense of a couple other people, namely Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, who combined for 40 yards on 10 targets. They combined for 9.3 points.

PPR in a 38 point outing for the Buccaneers. Like, what the hell happened here? Chris Godwin was negative for a lot of this game. He had a weird. He fumbled on like his first or second catch. And like he just straight up just I really thought he was going to have negative points today. Yeah. I mean, I guess like Gronk was basically like the focal point in the passing game.

He had 10 targets and 123 yards. But still, it was just bizarre. I guess they just ground and pound in this game. But man, Evans and Godwin. especially in a game where Antonio Brown isn't playing. Like, I was just expecting more. And so, yeah, Godwin, four catches, 24 yards. Evans, three catches, 16 yards.

D.B. Cooper, they jumped off the plane. I want to give a couple other just honorable mentions here. Jemar Chase, Devante Smith. I think both of these guys, so Chase had three catches for 39 yards. Devante Smith, two catches 22 yards. He did, he, he, Dantte Smith was wide open late in the game. High Fitz against your Giants for what would have been, I believe the game winning touchdown,

but Hurdson, throw it to him. That was the ugliest win. What's that? The Giants had the ugliest win against the Eagles. Please, I don't want to think about it. Continue. I think that the Jamar Chase and Devante Smith days was just like a reminder to me that fantasy is volatile. Guys have bad days.

And I think rookies are especially volatile. And you have to remember that. And so I'm not too worried about either of these guys. However, it was a little bit of a bummer that both of them disappeared. And then finally, one last one. for the DB Cooper Award for the biggest disappearance. George Kiddell, where are you? One catch, 13 yards.

What happened there? That's all. Yeah, it's really hard to explain, especially since, I mean, I guess it's just Debo, right? I mean, the Jamar chase one, I think, is the easiest to explain because the Bengals just wrecked the Steelers. And by the time, I mean, they didn't need Jamar Chis to do anything by halftime. Like, the strangles just jumped to this huge lead. I think it's weird that the Bucks had to come back and yet Evans and Gobwin did nothing. and then George Kittle, yeah, one catch 13 yards.

I mean, I guess we could be like, oh, block you. I don't know. I actually want to go back and see what happened because it's pretty surprising. I guess the answer is Elijah Mitchell, Debo had like 200 combined yards or whatever. Yeah. But anyway, okay. Those are your D.B. Cooper guys, right, the guys that go missing. I'm going to call off the search.

I'm giving the calling off the search award. The FBI is being like, we're not going to look for him anymore. They can't afford this anymore. The manpower. Like, Cortland Sutton has been. Divert the man. Power. Yeah. Coralyn Sutton has been D.B. Cooper for so long.

The search is over. He had two, Coralyn Sutton had two catches for 17 yards today. I thought this was a bit at first, but like, it's, this Jerry Judy Sutton thing is real. They just paid a contract extension to Cortland Sutton. Which is funny considering since Jerry Judy came back, Coralton Sutton has six catches for 95 yards. That's in four games. He has six catches for 95 yards. Randall Cobb had five catches for 95 yards today.

Randall Cobb did that today. I mean, you're talking about Jacobi Myers did better than that today. Hunter Renfro did better than that. Donald Mooney, Cendrick Wilson did better than Thanksgiving. That's Cortland Sutton's last month. It's bizarre. I mean, I guess I definitely do understand why they extended him and wanted to keep him. He's a very good talent.

like it just helps to have that depth that helps to have the star power the star power I think next year they're going to go out and try and recruit a good quarterback like maybe this is a pitch there and rogers say look we got all these guys it's it's a ready made offense for you to come in and just like light it up but still dude his his cap it next year's like jumps up to 13 million 15 million in 20 23 and he's getting like two or three targets that's the thing is teddy bridgewater his ankle in the middle and drew lock almost found him and he should have had a catch and then it's like 20 30 yards on field, but regardless. I guess multiple games now, though. Yeah, it's a month. Yeah. The most polite thing I could say is, but not polite. I think that maybe I'm grasping as draws here, but I think of Coralton Sutton and Mike Williams very similarly in that there these big physical presences downfield that defenses have consciously made the decision.

We're not letting Cortland Sutton or Mike Williams do any of these big catches, big chunk plays, let Jerry Judy, you know. dunk and what is it doing dodge dunk dick dive and dodge i don't know i can't freaking i don't know anyway yeah they can catch short passes keen and ellen can catch short passes we don't give a shit no sutton plays no mike williams plays but still how does he have 95 yards in four games this is crazy i don't know i i it's unbelievable anyway calling off i just am like i'm i'm tucking i'm tucking the broncos in my back pocket and i'm not going to think about them until next year when they have a real quarterback like i just don't like the quarterback situation to me is

good right now. You know, that's not saying anything wild. They kind of wrecked the charges. They're like a pretty good team. They're sneaky good. They are, but yeah,

they do look exactly like what we've been saying all year of like, wow, if they got Aaron Rogers, they probably won the Super Bowl. Yeah. Like, but then again, it does like George Payton,

George Payton, their GM playing the long game. I think, I think they believe that they can get Aaron Rogers next year. Or like Russell Wilson or someone. Russ, Russ, Russ seems,

Russ seems more realistic. Packers are too good. I don't know. All right. Next up, the dad award. We're not mad. We're just disappointed. D-K., you're a dad who's disappointed you today. Sequin.

My boy, Sequin. Look, I'm not mad at you, Sequin at all. I understand you're coming back from an injury. I understand these injuries have stacked up. I understand you're on a bad offense. And the quarterback sucks, and they, like, this offense just doesn't score touchdowns. And Hyfitz is, like, rubbing his head because he's thinking about the Giants.

Like their offense is terrible. However, it still bums me out. Like, I just got to be honest. It bums me out seeing Barkley just get sort of like bottled up every run. He had 13 rushes for 40 yards. Four catches for 13 yards. Well, can I stop you right there? First of all, we haven't even talked since Jason Garrett got fired.

We have to talk about all this. But the stat you just said, 13 carries for 40 yards. That's fucking bullshit. It's, I'm sorry. It's late. I'm losing my filter. It's a lie. I'm tired of Sake-on stat lines.

I want an asterisk on all of them. Like, Sequin's a great guy, caveat. Like him, great person. My God, the Sequin box scores are lies because he had a 32-yard run in this game. He also had a seven-yard run in this game. That's 39 yards. Take away those two runs. That's 11 carries for one yard.

I felt like Charlie, and it's always sunny when he's got like the cork board trying to like Pepe Sylvia and he's like, Carol! Like, that was me. And I went down this wormhole. And I found it because I was like, this is always what Sequin does. He always has like these boom or bust home run plays. Yeah. And here's what I found, DK.

So the last three years, so I'm cutting out his rookie year. And I'm just looking at 2019, 2020 in this year. He has, I think he's, he's the 36th most carries of any running back. Okay. Uh-huh. Wait. Sorry, he's 39th in carries. So he's the 39th.

carries the last three years. So 38 players have had more carries. 38 carries have had more carries. Players. I can't speak English. I'm sorry. I'm so worked up. Carol! Okay. Thirty-eight players have more carries than Sequin last year's. Despite that, Saquan has the second most carries that have lost two or more yards. Think about that. Thirty-eight players have more carries them in the stretch, and only one player has lost multiple yards more often than Seekwon.

And it's Derek Henry who has three times as many carries. Sequin is a three true outcome running back. He goes for home runs, walks and strikeouts. He's like Joey Gallo, who's awful. Joey Gallo hits $195 and he's horrible to watch because he can't get a hit. And that's why last year, when I thought I was a crazy person because Wayne Galman was better than Seekwon. And I was like, once again, do I know anything about Forens? football, but like, I can't handle this anymore, DK.

You're losing it. You're losing it. So all that said, I'm wondering if Sequin goes in the burn book this week. I'm not putting them in the burn book, but I understand, I understand where you're coming from here. I'm still hopeful. Maybe this is misplaced hope. Maybe I'm naive.

I just see a guy who's so talented and obviously there's other factors. And look, I'm not, I'm actually not disagreeing with you. And I saw Scott Barra from Fantasy Points was shared some stats too. on Twitter that this goes back to, like his boomer bust profile goes back to college. But I don't know, man. I still, I'm just, I still a believer.

I'm still a believer. I'm disappointed. I'm not mad. I'm still a believer. I'm still proud of you. It was just like, man, it was just a bummer, really. But it sounds like you, like,

are not a believer at this point. Like, are you worried that he's not ever going to be good anymore? Well, I think the cold reality. is that it's, look, obviously he's recovering from injury, but like, I mean, look, there's a lot of injuries, but honestly, Bill Barnwell pointed this out in a column a couple weeks ago. Like, he has, but Sequin hasn't been the same since the high ankle sprain in, um, ironically against the bucks in 2019, like the week two, week three is that Daniel Jones's first

start, Sequin on high ankle spring. Hasn't been the same players since. And, you know, obviously it was the ACLS. There's a lot of issues, but like, I honestly think he's so absurdly talented that he picked up this bad habit of trying to like hit touchdown every play. Not unlike when I was 13 and I was like playing Madden on rookie. So I thought every play could be a touchdown. So I didn't know how to play Madden because I was trying to bounce every run to the outside.

And then you go like play someone on like the third or fourth like all Madden and you're like, oh, why can't I gain two yards? That's Sequin. He's trying to bounce every run. Just take a four yard run. There's nothing wrong with it. And he can't do it like mentally. So it's frustrating.

Anyway, I think that the answer is more, this is my personal frustration. Right. So I think maybe the burn book then might be Cortland Sutton. Because Cortland Sutton's unplayable. I think it's, I don't even, yeah, I think it's safe to burn Sutton at this point. I don't think you can start him. You can't start him at this point. Sutton is unplayable.

Right. So Sutton's going into the burn book. Okay, Sutton to the burn book. All right. So the burn book inductees here. We've got week one, we burned Rahim Mostert. Week two, we burn Marquez Calloway for the Saints. Week three, we just burned Kyle Shannon again for the Niners, because we just saw this coming.

Week four, it burned Mike Davis, RIP me. Honestly, you could have burned me as well. Week five was Alan Robinson. Week six was Miles Gaskin. Week seven was Robbie Anderson. Week game is Odell Beckham. Week nine is Julio Jones. Week 10 is Jarvis Landry.

Week 11 is Russell Wilson. And now week 12 is Quentin. But here's the thing. One name stands out on that list, doesn't he? a D.K. It does. Because we are, honestly, we are 11 for 12 this year. I'm burning people. Or 10 for 11, whatever. We have one miss, and it's Miles Gaskin. I hate to say it. And I feel like we're going to jinx ourselves, but yes.

Well, I want to propose an award for you, D.K., which is the guy we're taking out of the Burnbook Award, aka the unburnt, aka the Colise. Just emerging from the fire. Emerging from the fire. The flames. Miles Gaskin with three dragon eggs. And I'm like, dude, he's a top 10 running back this week again. I think I cracked the code. Oh, yeah? Miles Gaskin is in every other week running back.

He's like when the Giants, the San Francisco Giants kept in the World Series. First of all, first of all, you should be in the NSA. Every other week, huh? Okay. Wait, the code is Miles Gaskin on even weeks. So week two, four, six, et cetera. he's averaging seven points per game which is basically being Devin Singletary

and then on odd weeks he averages 18 points per game which is basically better than Alvin Camara Jesus there okay so are you going to live this theory and not play him next week then? Well so here's the problem

he fucked up the thing this week because he played well in an even week so that's what I don't get oh yeah sorry yes I actually mixed that up I definitely shouldn't join the NSA because I don't don't know what odd and even are. Also, the Dolphins play in London too often, so that would be a CIA thing. I don't know how that works.

Yeah. For real, though, like Mike Clay, he's been tweeted, tweet is like, Miles Gaskin is more top 12 fantasy weeks than James Connor, Aaron Jones, Leonard Fernette, and Daryl Henderson. This is like the Debo having more rushing touchdowns than all these elite super star running next. What is going on? This is the weirdest year. I swear to God, I know that recency bias always hits us in like every year.

seems weird. Every week seems totally crazy. But this really does feel like one of the weirder weeks or one of the weirder seasons in fantasy, doesn't it? Am I wrong in that? No, it does because there's just, I mean, it's just the season's weird. Like everything about the season is weird. I mean, the Giants are, wait, if you want to weird, the Giants could still make the playoffs. That's how weird the season is. The Seahawks are actually like, if the Seahawks win tomorrow, this is Sunday, we're recording Sundays. They went on Monday night football. Like, they're still in it too.

It's crazy. Yeah, like the dolphins all of a sudden are kind of a frisky team, which means they're playing with more leads. They've won a few games in a row now. I forget how many games they've won in a row. It's like four or five at this point. And he's just been getting really good workload. Like the amount of carries he's having,

he's not necessarily doing a ton with it, to be totally honest, but the volume is there and the dolphin's offense is starting to click. like Tua is playing better. Tuaz completed 51 of his last 60 passes. Yeah. I mean, in this offense, it's like an RPO offense. It's quick strike. I think it actually fits to his skill set.

A lot of people would probably point out that it's, you know, maybe not like a long-term sustainable type offense. And I think that's probably fair. But I think for now, like getting the ball out quick, letting your playmakers do your job. Like Waddle is coming on really strong. Gaskin is doing his, thing. I'm just pulling up the

dolphins right now. Like, yeah, they've won three in a row after starting one and seven. That's crazy. So I know four and seven. We should send this information to the NSA. Sorry, but they've won four in a row. You definitely can't try the NSA. Jesus.

Dude, it didn't, it didn't update today. I could tell. Yeah. Four in a row, they're five and seven. I think we pull gasket out of the burn. But how does this work? Do we need like, we have a quorum. We don't need Craig's permission, but do we need to like perform some ritual or? Yeah, something to do with like,

what is it they do in Game of Thrones? That was like, she like summoned, she burned down everybody around her, right? Yeah, well, progressively got worse.

I think we need to like go that hard. I don't, we didn't have to go that hard. I think, yeah, last year would have been the equivalent which she's burned down the NFC East. I don't know.

There's one of the person I got to ask you about, we're not unburning him, but I just wanted note, we burned Odell Beckham and Odell had a good day for the Rams. And I wanted to ask about a hundred yards today, too. I wanted to ask about the technicality of us burning Odell before he was like, his dad was like, get my son out of this place and free Odell? Like, does O'Dell get a pass because he's in a new team now?

Or is he still burned? Yeah, I think so. Look, I think I mentioned at a time, like, we burned O'Dell Beckham, the Brown. And I think that was very fair. Oh, that's like, it's like a Gandalf thing. We burned O'Dell the Grey and now he's O'Dell the White. He ventured through time and space, you know. and like smote his enemy upon their ruin upon the mountainside or whatever.

And now he's back. Oh, you read the books, I can tell. I just saw the movies. Well, he says that in the movies, too. Don't worry about it. By the way, I rewatch the Game of Thrones. Or not, sorry, not the Game of Thrones. The Lord of the Rings recently.

It doesn't, it doesn't, it's not as good as I remember. Is that weird to say? It's really tough. Which one that you watch? I might have some Lord of the Rings heads really mad at me for saying that. I don't know. Maybe I just was too much Game of Thrones. Long parts of it can be super duper gritty.

I would say. I straight up fast forward all the Frodo stuff. I would just say the last hour of the Twin Towers is just like the best thing that's ever been done. But I don't really need the beginning. Oh, the Helms Deep? Yeah, that's all I really need. Yeah, that's a great battle. Anyway, all right.

Speaking of great battles, let me tell you about the worst battle I've ever seen, which was this freaking Giants Eagles game today. Someone pointed out to us, we did a green room earlier today. out we do green room starts sits noon eastern on green room we tweet them out right before you can check us out follow us on Twitter we give you start set advice there's my shameless plug

someone in this pointed out in this green room we did it in the comment section which you can comment if you do it in the app that's the green room app you can download it someone could sorry get all the plugs someone commented that 538 gives like game score quality scores for games and that Jets

Texans was a zero like it was literally a zero for quality. And that freaked me out because when I watched the games, I thought Jets Texans was a better football game than Giants Eagles. It was hard to watch. I'm not a fan of either team. That was a really hard game to watch.

Like sometimes it's like a low scoring game is like great defense. And no one wants to say that, but it is. And then it was Giants Eagles, which is, wow, Jalen Hertz just keep throwing the ball to the Giants. It was like really bad offense.

Yeah. I'm giving. So usually we have an award here called death taxes and Jalen Hertz is a top five QB. Sheila, Hurt's not a top 5 QB today. Yeah, this is a bad game for him. Probably the worst fantasy performance of his career thus far. Six and a half fantasy points.

He had 129 passing yards, three picks, and if you watch this game, he should have had six. That's not an exaggeration. The final drive, somewhere between two and three were dropped, depending on how generous you want to be.

I want to point out, that's correct. However, two touchdowns were also dropped. Yeah, but the picks were before the touchdowns, which spiritually, like, okay. Here's the thing. Jalen Hertz's future as a quarterback has obviously been debated a lot, right? Like, he's been playing good and also in garbage time and they're winning, but they beat up on bad teams and they played another bad team today and they got smoked.

And like, Giants, cornerback Julian Love said today after the win, he says from ESPN, he said, Jalen Hertz is very talented, but we wanted him to beat a throwing. Like, as in the game plan was for Jalen Hertz to throw. Yeah. And then he threw three picks.

And then a reporter, I don't know if it's Jordan Renant. One of the reporters noted that Julian Love didn't say this as trash talk like at all. Julian Love just said it matter of factly like that was, yeah, that was the game plan. Have Jailen Hertz throw. DK. Is Jailen Hertz like an NFL quarterback long term?

I'm still a believer. I think that, um, I mean, look, I always say this. Development is never linear. There's going to be ups and downs in every player's career. I mean, look at what Russell Wilson is doing right now. Like, Russell Wilson looks like he sucks right now.

And I think that, you know, this is a week-to-week game where we overreact every single week all the time, ad nauseum forever. And obviously, this was a terrible game for him. But, like, I've still seen enough that I'm encouraged by what he's going to do long-term. there's still clearly, like he's much better right now as a dual-threat guy. He's going to have to learn

to play from the pocket and like develop as a pastor. I still think he can do all that. And I think he has all the intangibles to be like a high-level franchise quarterback. It's just going to be, he's going to have to develop. If the Eagles give him a chance,

I think he can do it. I'm not 100% sure, they'll give him a chance. But I have faith that Hertz can do it. However, this is a terrible game. Obviously, he looked really, he looked really bad. And I think it's also like,

it's kind of a, a microcosm for the season in a way. Like I was talking to Riley, our editor, one of my editors. And we were just talking like, this is a weird year. Like penalties are back up. And frankly,

like quarterback play is down. Oh, you know? Like I'd say generally speaking, quarterbacks just haven't looked that sharp. I think a lot of it has to do with defenses have changed the way that they're attacking a lot of these offenses. Like too high stuff has been a factor.

Just put the two high. Just put the second guy up there? Just drop one. guy back, but it's also, it's like changing the script. Like you're forcing these quarterbacks to dink and dunk and to be patient and to not try and like get the big home run and all that stuff. Like a lot of the stuff you were talking about with Sequin Barclay where, um, you know, a lot of quarterbacks, I think like they're an indicate, or they want to like go for the big play like Josh Allen, um, Patrick Mahomes. These guys are both kind of having

these issues where you have to like be patient, dink and dunk, um, all that stuff. And I think that there's like bigger stuff at play here. There's also much more, there's more penalties this year and all that stuff. So I don't know. I just thought it, I thought it is kind of like an interesting microcosm for the season where running is back in vogue,

you know, and I think physicality is back, really. Yeah. And it's like sort of like a pendulum swing. Like this happens in the NFL every few years where, you know, teams will load up and draft and signed free agents in order to defend the pass because that's

where the NFL is going. This is a modern NFL. You got to be smaller. You got to be faster. You have to be, you have to be able to cover in the NFL. And so naturally, some teams, the smart teams, like the Patriots are a great example. Like they're beefing up. They're going heavy. Like they're battering ram type offense. And they're going to beat up on these teams that like major and nickel defenses, smaller guys and all that. And then the pendulum swings back.

And so this is like, you know, this is a natural thing. It's been happening for decades. But I just think, I don't know. I just kind of think it's interesting. And the Eagles are a good example of it because they run, they run like hell, like all like time. I know you were making a nuanced point about like schemes and,

you know, scheme wars going back and forth. But when you were like, this is natural, this is evolution, it goes back decades. I was thinking of, did you watch Kong versus Godzilla? They're like, it's a natural war, goes back eons. I don't think I did. Sometimes Kong's in power and sometimes Godzilla's in power.

It's like, oh, okay. Anyway. Anyway, the bottom line, I think Kurtz is going to be fine. Not a good, not a good. I'm less confident, however, in this next person. This is the Unlike Aguilor Award. And it's going to Jalen Rager. Well, I'll just stick with Rager because we talked about Jalen Hurts.

The offense struggled. The Jalen Rager dropped two. That day for the Jalens. He had, he dropped two would-be touchdowns on the Eagles final possession that would have been game winners. And both passes were just straight up drops, in my opinion. Like, the first one hit his head and then bounced off his hands. That one, yeah.

I don't know. I don't actually know which one was worse. They were both so bad because the second one. The second one was worse because the first one was like a deep pass underthrown by like three inches and like hit him in the face. I don't know. I'd have to rewatch it. It looked like a pretty good throw.

It was like hit him in the face, but at least you have to track the ball and like you should have caught it. The second one just went through his. hands and he wasn't really contested. I mean, just brutal. Just brutal. It would have won the game. It would have been at worst on the half yard line.

Right. So, yeah, bad day for Jeter Rager. That was really tough. This is Nelson Aguilar all over again. Like this is a top equals pick. This is the unlike Aguilor word. Really, it's the like Agler word because he's too alike Agilor. It's so, I feel bad for Rager, obviously, because Justin Jefferson, who has picked

one pick after a couple of picks after, whatever it was. The next pick and the Eagles were going to take Justin Jefferson. and they changed their minds. Right. It's like this guy's always going to be compared to, like one of the greatest rookie receivers of all time, you know, all this stuff.

And he's just, you know, you got injured and he's had all this stuff. He just, and then now it's, I think he's just in his head. I want to spiraling. Jalen Rager had a tough year.

He had issues in his personal life earlier this year. That should be respected. He had a tough, but he's having a tough season. And when, look, it's very easy for fans to go back in the draft. like the Eagles is DK. K. Metcalf and be like, oh, wow, we could have had DK. Metcalf instead of

JJ C. Oh, yeah. I mean, you can play that game all day on. The difference is the Eagles really were thinking about taking Justin Jefferson. Like, it's not hindsight. They were like gonna, and they like change their mind. It's not like the game of where you just scroll back. They'd be like, oh, why did the Packers have Devante Adams? They really should have Justin Jefferson. So it's tough, but I hope Gillen Rager gets a tough. An offense with Justin Jefferson and Devante Smith would be fun as hell. Just say that. But yeah, a tough day for Rage. He owned it in the post-care impressor.

He like went up number one. He talked to the media. Actually like good for him. Like a lot of players with that they don't. I still think he's talented. And I'm so hopeful that he can turn things around. Obviously, you know, it's not good right now. It's not looking good.

And it doesn't feel like very promising for his long-term career. But guys have turned things around in the past like Rager or Aguilar actually did turn around his career and like he's had a productive career. Um, certainly not what you'd hope for a first round pick, but pretty productive. So hopefully he can turn things around. All right. Let's flip this around. Let's go a little more positive.

Yeah. Uh, this is the, they're real and their spectacular award. I'm giving this one to Jalen Waddle today. Um, he's really come on, I think, you know, I think it has a lot to do with, uh, Tua's been getting more healthy and, and being more ingrained in the offense. Um, he came into the week, Waddle came into the week, the wide receiver 20 in PPR. Which I checked that and I was like a little surprised because you know it's kind of he kind of snuck up on us I think And this week I didn't check since the earlier games, but I think he's like he's in like the top five at least already

For receivers this week. Hold on. Let me check this real quick. He is no, he's the wide receiver one he's He's one. He's one. So huge week for him. Let's see here through 12 games. He's also wide receiver one by like the healthy amount like if you're doing full PPR he's the wide receiver, like he's more than five points between number one and number two, which is the same as like number two and like two, four, six. Like,

that's the gap between like number two and like number 13. Yeah. So yeah, nine catches, 137 yards, one touchdown. That puts him at 77 receptions on the year.

I saw this actually. This is, I didn't realize this. He has the second most receptions through 12 games in NFL history. Only Odell Beck. I think Craig said a few weeks ago, like this is like Jarvis Landry Part 2,

except Jalen Waddle's actually really good after the catch, like a way better than Jarvis Landry ever could have hoped to be. But it's similar. It's like he's just his, I mean, he's just, it's just a lot of short passes. Like you think of him, I mean, he was compared,

speed-wise, the agility was compared to like a combination of kind of like the Tyree kills skill set. But none of the, you don't see, there's no red zone cutting to like, look at this deep past. Jalen Waddle. No, it's just a bunch of short and intermediate throws. Yeah, I mean, and I think his ADOT has gone up over the last few.

Like, his ADOT was really, really low when Jacoby Berset was quarterback. But that part of that was just like they were using him as an extension of the run game and trying to get like make things easier on Peret. But like his AD has creeped up as he has gone on. I didn't see what it was this week. But I think he's starting to like come into his own, develop. They're starting to utilize him downfield a little bit more. And so, yeah, it's just really promising what he's done this year.

I think it's kind of flown under the radar because everyone's so enamored, rightly so, with Jamar Chase and DeMonte Smith and all these really exciting young receivers in the NFL. I feel like Waddle's kind of flown under the radar, so I wanted to give him a shout-up. Yeah, okay. Let's go to weird flex, but okay.

Don Trill-Hilliard. Top 15 running back. Don Trill-Hillard. Yeah. 130-plus yards, touchdown. I think he had one long run that really patted all this, but like against the Patriots. the Titans are destroyed.

I mean, Henry's hurt, obviously. Jerry McNichols has a concussion. Adrian Peterson was waived. So they got Deonti Foreman out here and Deontrell-Hilliard. And they both were good. If it's pop quiz, where did Don Trell Hilliard go to college? I have no idea. So I'm going to just randomly say UNLV.

I like that guess, but no, it's Tulane, which I did not know that either. Tulane. I have nothing to add. But anyway, Don Trello Hilliard, legit flex. Switching gears a little. So I want to show out the Cooper Cup Award for the player you wish you had. I'm just going to say Cooper Cup, once again, unbelievable, because this should have been the first bad game he had all year.

This really is deceiving yards, like the deceiving yards award, because I swear to God, he had three fantasy points. And then the Rams had one final drive. And I think they gave him the ball for, I'm just going off the top of my head, seven catches for 130 yards on this one drive. I know that didn't actually happen but it's what it felt like you're like, oh wow,

Cooper Cup under five points and then you look and he at 18 and you're like, what the hell? So I don't know how he keeps doing this, but he shouldn't really be allowed. Love it. Last one for you, D.K. I'm going to shout out Adam Thielen in the same category here.

Thielen, so a lot of the discussion around Thielen in the offseason was, well, number one, he's getting older. It's like 31 or 32. You know, the age model creeping in. Obviously, guys tend to off a cliff as they get over 30. And also, I was thinking that about you.

Hey, I'm getting close to 40. What's going to happen then, Hypertz? You're going to age like Tom Brady. I hope so. I don't eat nearly as well as Tom Brady does, but, you know, we'll see. Well, then you probably won't age like Tom Brady. Let's be honest, yeah. I think that's key to the whole thing.

That just from right away. I'm sure he has like all these, you know, he's got like obviously Alex, what's his, what's his like, Alex Guerrero? or like his guru guy. But I bet he has like a bunch of people on staff to like help with his like food and his massages and hyperbaric chamber. Like I heard Russell Wilson spends like millions of bucks. I actually think he said that on Bill's pod.

He spends like a million. He spends $2 million. Like on his body. I'm like, I can't do that. High Fitz. I got a kid. I mean,

you just don't care enough. Also, yeah, I'm too lazy. But anyway, what I was going to say with Adam Thielen was number one, his age is creeping up. But number two.

He's vegan. Thielen, I believe, is vegan. Is he? I did not know that. I think so. You should go vegan. I don't think I'll do that. I like cheese too much.

So that's out. It's out. The other thing that I was going to say about Thielen is number two, he was much too dependent, traditionally, or whatever, last year, on touchdowns. We all thought, oh, regression's coming. He's not going to catch nearly as many touchdowns. Wrong. Wrong, high fits. He is going to catch as many touchdowns.

He's going to catch ridiculous amounts of touchdowns. caught another two today. He has now scored 24 touchdowns in his last 26 games. This is an absurd rate. That's crazy. I saw this from Scott Spratt. 24 and 26 games. That's like, it's ridiculous.

And he quietly, this is a great staff from Scott Spratt at Football Outsiders. 39, he has 39 receiving touchdown since the start of 2018. So since 2018, he is tied for third among all players in receiving touchdowns. Only Tyree Kill and Devante Adams have more touchdowns. touchdowns since the start of 2018, then Adam Thielen. I just thought that was interesting. Got to give him props. Like he really is like they design a lot of red zone stuff for him.

And he's a really good route runner. He's really tough at the catch point. Like his skill set is still, I think like, like obviously he's like, I think he's never going to be as fast as he was when he was in his 20s, is explosive, all that stuff. But he's such a technician as a route runner that I still think.

think like maybe this regression for his touchdowns isn't actually coming at least not in this offense with this quarterback and the way that they design things around him uh so i don't know he's he's staving off regression uh good for him and i think he came into the he came into the week the wider receiver 10 quietly uh and then he scored two more touchdowns today so he might even go up so yeah he's the water receiver three today or this week i should say crazy i can't 24 i mean at some point it's just a skill like that's how good you are at it that's crazy yeah all right anyway adam Thielen. I wish I would have drafted more yet. D.K., I got one more for you here.

It's the never wrong, just early award. Jack Doyle, number one tight end, baby. Number one tight end, Jack Doyle. Those who know, freaking Doyle. And if you know Jack Doyle, you remember Jack Doyle. The only non-athletic tight end in the NFL.

Jack Doyle, number one fan. I was on at first, D.K. I wasn't, I wasn't wrong. Were you? It was just early. Sure. speaking early, it's getting late early out here, as Yogi Berra would say. I think that's all we got. Do you think that he's going to keep doing it? Jack Doyle. Can I start him next week?

No, it's too late. You should have bought the dip. The dip was three years. You should have, you had three years to do it. Okay. All right. That's all we got. Thank you for listening.

Good luck. I hope you have Cordarral Batterson. If not, I'm sorry. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Mike Wargan, for producing this episode. Craig, I hope your toe is doing all right. Thank you, Lorne. Thank you, Wean.

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