The Ringer NFL Show - Week 12 Recap: Gibbs Goes Nuts, a Jameis Gem, Pickens-palooza, Fart or Shart Lamar, and Is DJing Easy?

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

The guys recap all the NFL Week 12 action by going through categories such as Winners and Losers, Fart or Shart, Intrusive Thoughts, and so much more. (0:00) Intro (1:36) ‘Sunday Night Football’: Bucs-Rams (9:34) Winners and Losers (43:46) The Oppenheimer Award (58:23) It’s So Over. We’re So Back. (01:18:03) Fart or Shart (01:23:07) Intrusive Thoughts (01:30:40) Ick of the Week (01:34:26) Play of the Day (01:34:42) The WORST Play of the Day (01:39:40) The Arthur Smith/Shawn Hochuli Award (01:41:34) The Lucille Bluth Award (01:42:16) Two TEs and a Lie (01:43:43) Fantasy Burn Book Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  YT: Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyderick. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldwick. When we were going over all the games from week 12 of the NFL season, we recorded this in the middle of the Rams Bucks game because, man, that was sad. We're going to go through all the games, and then, yeah, I guess that is the show. So we're going to do that. That's generally how it goes, yeah.

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Learn more at chime.com. We're going to get in all the games, starting with this Sunday night football calamity. We are recording. Actually, there's 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter. The Rams are up 34 to 7. this has been an absolute. Yeah, it's a calamity.

I mean, Baker Mayfield hasn't played the second half because he, like, went down in agony. I mean, the Rams were up 21 and nothing almost immediately. A Hail Mary attempt. It's like he threw his opposite shoulder out of its socket somehow, even though I think it was already hurt before that. But still, the nail in the coffin of his shoulder, that throw. I don't really get biologically how that happened,

but you know what? Baker is a warrior. And this looked like just what, it was really just sad. I just watched Terry Bridgewater get sacked. I'm like, this guy's trying to coach high school football. and like they're like you were paying for ubers because you didn't want your kids to walk home. And I'm like...

I feel like Teddy being in the NFL is like a formality. Like, what do we... I feel like he shouldn't be a backup... I kind of... I was shocked to realize that he was the backup quarterback for the bucks. I was like, Teddy Bridgewater is still doing it. Yeah. Like, he's a coach now.

He's like a figurehead for what all backup quarterback. So he's literally an actor in commercials as a backup quarterback actor in commercials. It's just like very weird the fact that he's still in the NFL to me. I don't know why. Well, maybe because he literally won a state title as a high school football coach and then they suspended him

because he was taking care of his players. He's like, fine. Go back to the NFL. He really does. DK, as someone who basically hates the Los Angeles Rams because you're a Seahawks fan, is it overreacting?

I just feel like this game is the latest example. I really do think the Rams are just like the best team in the NFL and probably going to win. You hate the Rams? No, I don't really hate the Rams. I guess he hits the Niners. I hate the Niners.

I like the Rams. I'm like, you know, I can grudgingly respect them. They are very good, of course. And I think Matt Stafford has like solidified his case for the MVP pretty strongly over the last month, month plus. So yeah, I mean, they're the most balanced team in the NFL, both their defense and their offense are elite.

They can beat you in so many different ways. They can run the ball. They can pass the ball. They have superstar playmakers on both sides of the football. They're the best coach team maybe in the NFL. One of the best front offices in the NFL. Yeah, it's kind of, yeah, as a Seahawks fan, it is a little bit daunting to think about. But yeah, Stafford absolutely just playing lights out right now.

And they play good football. They play the type of football that my dad will text me about. My dad texted me today. 13 personnel. He's like, I love the way the Rams play football. Yeah. And I was like, you know what?

They do it the right way. You got a gritty old school quarterback who just sits in the pocket and slings it. They got big personnel out there. They can run the ball. They can pressure the quarterback. They just do it the old-fashioned way in the modern NFL, which is very cool. I just really feel like the NFC championship game will be a sequel to that divisional round game in the snow last year.

It'll be Rams Eagles and the winner that game is going to win the Super Bowl. And honestly, the Rams defense is a lot in common with the Eagles defense where they have a ton of guys on the defensive line with rookie contracts that are just playing unbelievable. I think the difference is the Eagles secondary. There's a little star studded like Cooper DeGine's amazing. Quentin is amazing. The Rams secondary is like all these flat standards. Manual Forbes is in there making plays.

He has like three picks in the last four games and he's breaking up passes. He doesn't even look that skinny anymore. more. I think he gave way. Is one half of a darnel Washington just actually playing a very important role on the best team in the NFL. It's actually, he's like 145.

Between him and Ted Johnson, they actually don't weigh as much as Darnell Washington. And yet they're in the NFL. I just think Stanley, sorry, not Stanley. Emmanuel Forbes, who I was talking about,

Flat Stanley. He is such the perfect example. He is so the Rams this year in terms of just, they always are so good at finding these guys that just fit into their system. like coach them up and go out there and make plays. They'll find these random guys either in the late rounds or in free agency, whatever, like all three of their tight ends are really good now.

It's just crazy how they continue to like identify talent and fit it into their scheme and then go out and execute on, you know, offense on both sides of football. It's very impressive. The Rams take these like random people like, I don't know where they find these guys. Matt Stafford, Devante Adams, like these people you had never heard of. They do both, to be clear.

Yeah. They fit so well. Devante Adams, though, it is actually insane how good he is at, I always want, he's, he's 31, right? Yeah, 31, 32. He's 31 years old.

Sorry, he's 32. He's actually turning 33 on Christmas Eve. I feel like he's going to be able to do this thing forever where he just, yeah, he just is going to be able to be released and be at the one. D.K., you texted us earlier tonight that Devante Adams is like the goal line back for the Rams. I mean, he had, so he did catch a 24-yard touchdown pass after I had sent that to you guys,

but before that, he had eight touchdowns in five games. And in those eight touchdowns, he totaled 15 yards combined. So it was just like all goal line stuff. He's basically so good at that. We've seen that all throughout his whole career. But obviously he has a very good connection with Matt Stafford. They know how to get him open. They know how to, you know, single him up and let him do his thing.

He's just so awesome. Off the dribble kind of like getting open release receiver probably, I mean, probably ever, honestly. At least he's probably top five of all time. It goes back to my dad, texting me about how the Rams play football. Devante Adams is the same way. It's like he wins with footwork, you know?

He's like old school. Not explosive. No, it's like Tim Duncan, 35 years old post moves in the paint. They are the spurs, aren't they? You know what I mean? Like up and unders, pump faking. Dads love pump fakes. Like what Devonte Adams can do with his feet.

Triple threat. Yes. It's all footwork. And that stuff does not go as you age. I mean, you slow down a little bit obviously. But like if you have good footwork, that will hold on. It's why guys like Keenan Allen like last it's a long. DeAndre Hopkins stuff like that. Good footwork doesn't go away.

Yeah, and I mean, the Rams are unbelievable. Harrison, even Harrison Mivas, our beloved Harrison Mivas, this is a giant, the thicker kicker. They're forcing that. I know. Well, are they forcing it? He's pretty huge. He's a fucking massive guy.

I guess he's forcing it, literally. If Stafford wins the MVP, which you probably should right now, he is by far the most deserving player who has never won an MVP to win an MVP, right? like left in the NFL right now. There's no other play that you think needs an MVP that doesn't have one other than Matt Stafford, right? I don't even know who number... If Stafford wins this...

Yeah, good question. Because Josh Allen won last year, that got him his. If Stafford wins this year, I don't even know who's now on... Is it like Joe Burrow, who can't get through a whole season? Like, I don't know who the next, oh, they need an MVP guy is. Burrow or Dak, but the difference is Stafford

literally won a Super Bowl. Yeah. It's kind of a big gap after Stafford of like who is now deserving next. I almost feel like it's just going to be Mahomes and Alan and Lamar for the next five years until somebody kind of pokes through. I don't know who that. Drake May, it's probably going to be. Yeah. Stafford's like L.A. glow up. The difference between Stafford's perception is 20s of this talented, tough guy versus the 30s where he's like, oh, it's just one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history.

It's honestly like a John Elway-esque late blossom. Like if Stafford wins the Super Bowl this year and he gets, you know, John Elway, this is forgotten. But he actually won the two Super Bowls. he was like 36 and 37. Like it was less two years of his career. And I think it kind of reminds you of Brady how he had like, even if you split his career into two full like halves or whatever, he's still the greatest quarterback of all time in either one.

Brady won more Super Bowls in his 40s than Peyton Manning one period. Yeah. So Tom Brady won a Super Bowl after Peyton had been inducted to the Hall of Fame. Anyway, we don't have to get it to Brady. There's a lot of Brady today that we can talk about as well. Yeah. Anything else that we can get out of this game and just go to, I mean, this game was a travesty.

Another killer primetime game. We're 0 for the last six on Sunday night football. I don't think I'd really notice until you pointed it out, Craig. But you're right that the primetime games, even, well, the Bill's Texans game on Thursday was pretty good. But even that was like a little ugly. But Thursday doesn't really feel like prime time. It is Sunday night and Monday night. And literally we are, we're definitely 0 for 6 on Sunday night.

We're like one for five in the last Monday nights. It's been, it's been bad. It's like J.J. McCarthy has numbers, you know, one for the last 11. that's pretty. Let's get to winners or losers here. Craig, who's your first winner off the day? My winner is the Chiefs. Literally, they won the game,

which is very important for them. They needed it so badly. They beat the Colts 2320 in overtime. It was 20 to 9. They were losing 20 to 9 in the fourth quarter. They scored 11 points unanswered and then got to overtime, got the field goal to win.

I have to give it to the Chief's defense in this game who completely thwarted, or at least just kind of muzzled the Colts, it was weird. Like, Jonathan Taylor could not get anything going. Right. He had 58 yards rushing. It was a bizarre game because Daniel Jones took zero sacks. The Colts had zero turnovers, and yet they scored 20 points on 11 drives.

Typically, they would score, on average, 35 points on 11 drives. Like, that's what the Colts are, right? They're averaging over three points per drive, historic rates. They were just completely muzzled. And the Chiefs just kept everything in. Ben Solac, our beloved Ben Solac, had a great stat that Daniel Jones did not attempt a pass of 20 plus yards downfield in this game, which was the first time

that's happened all season. Like the cult would get these big explosive plays. You have Alec Pierce and you have Tyler Warren. There was no deep shots. They couldn't run the ball. It was all just like little short stuff, even though there was no sacks. It was such a fantastic job by the Chiefs because the Chiefs offense, once again, was not that great for most of this

game. It was really messy. And they ended up pulling it out in the end, and Mahomes had actually a great couple final drives. I think that's what makes the Chief so dangerous. You know, in a field this year where it doesn't really feel like there's any elite teams. Maybe you could say the Rams are the elite team in the NFL, but they have such a good defense too, and they can turn it on.

I feel like sometimes you don't see it during the regular season, but once the playoffs come around, everybody starts like stepping up and playing a little bit harder. Chris Jones is a perfect example of that, but he was great today. I want to say the chiefs forced the Colts into three and out their last four possessions. Yeah, three and out, three and out, three and out. And I saw this, they threw one pass, or sorry, they had one run in those four possessions. They could not run the football. They had to basically rely on the past.

Or maybe they should have run more and trying to break out. But yeah, the Colts basically just, you know, fourth quarter on or, you know, they just couldn't do anything. Fourth quarter and overtime, the Chiefs had, I believe, over 250 yards of offense. And the Colts, I believe, had 18 in fourth quarter and overtime. It was, believe it or not, the first double-digit comeback for Kansas City since the Super Bowl went over the 49ers, the second one. And it was also, obviously, the Chiefs' like first win in a one possession game this year after they had like a 17-0 streak over the past few years.

But yeah, Chris Jones was just collapsing pockets. And also, he was creating penalties. Like, the Colts' first drive of the game really died on penalties, a combination of crowd noise and, like, false starts and Chris Jones. I think, you know, the Colts had 11 penalties for 80 yards or something or more than that. But, yeah, I mean, Steve Spagged a little great gameplay. They really held Jonathan Taylor in check. a lot of run blitzes where, yeah, I mean, in a nutshell,

Jonathan Taylor had like half the, as many rushing yards as Greenmont. Jonathan Taylor had the fewest rushing yards of his season. He was hit behind the line of scrimmage at two-thirds of his rushes, which again was like by far the most or worst performance of the season for the Colts. But the Chiefs, both interior with Chris Jones and then game plan-wise really did kind of win the trenches in this game. But to your point, D.K., yeah, it's true. It's like Chris Jones, who really has, in many ways,

the Colts, the Chief season has ebden float with, Kelsey and Chris Jones. The week one Chargers game, Chris Jones on defense, Kelsey, like had it dropped near the end zone. Chris Jones, let's Herbert go in that first game. Oh, right.

You know what I mean? Like those two plays kind of flipped the entire Chargers game. Chris Jones, not sacking Trevor Lawrence. When he trips on Monday night football, and Chris Jones is standing still as Trevor Lawrence goes in. Chris Jones and Travis Kelsey,

in particular Chris Jones's effort has kind of ebbed and flowed for really years where he's an absolute dominant player at the first 49er Super Bowl. Like he really should have been the MVP. of that game, to be totally honest. And he's just been a dominant player. And he looked like a dominant Hall of Fame

Mount Rushmore caliber defensive tackle today. And it shut down the Colts. But it really also, the Colts thing, I think when they can't get on schedule with Jonathan Taylor, they're not setting up those shots and they're not staying on schedule. And they're in more third and longs. They didn't look bad as much as they just kind of got got toward the end of the game.

But it was an impressive game for the Chiefs. It's been a weird couple of weeks for Jonathan Taylor. For people who have him on your fantasy team, obviously he's been incredible the whole season. But the last three weeks, he had six points. Then the next week he had 48 and then this week he had seven. So you're probably one in two over the last two

weeks with Jonathan Taylor on your fantasy team. I have to. Daniel Jones was three of nine for 17 yards in the fourth quarter and overtime. And I think this is exactly what scares you about a team like this where, you know, obviously we've compared them to the

2007 Patriots, all these great offenses from all over the years. But the big difference is like, I don't don't really still believe that they're a team that can play from third and long and have very much success consistently. And that's kind of like a lot of what happens in the playoffs. Obviously, they are very reliant on staying on schedule. You know, Jonathan Taylor, explosive plays or whatever. But like when it really comes down to it, like on third and long, like this is the type of team you don't trust.

That's like my main worry with the Seahawks and Sam Darnold. I'm like, obviously they're doing some incredible things on offense. But like on third and long, do I trust Sam Dardle? Not really. conversation and that's the Jared Goff Lions too, right? I mean, that's kind of been the thing. It's like, oh, like, and that's, I mean, you know, if Lions fans get mad at me saying that, like, that is how

defensive coordinator, whether you're like it or not. Defense coordinators view the Lions as get Jared Golf, which every team that's third and long, but they look at it as we want to make Jared Goff play from the pocket. Like, they, like, the, um, who is the team that like kind of embarrassed the Lions slash? Oh, I'm forgetting it. But the point was they were like, we want to make golf play

from the pocket. We don't want to be able to, and I think that that is a lot of these reclamation quarterbacks who were kind of on their second whether it's golf in Detroit or Darnold in Seattle or Minnesota or whatever. I mean, honestly, other than Baker and Tampa, I think that you see that with Daniel Jones and the Colts where a lot of them are like, they're kind of operating these like Death Star offenses where everything goes well.

But yeah, it's like third and 10. It's like they're not Matt Stafford in the pocket doing superhero stuff. It's not my home. It's not doing crazy stuff. Which, yeah, third and long. It's kind of like Tom Brady with the, well, pressure with four guys. That's hard. It's hard to get them in third and long all the time.

But that is the weakness of the team. And so when your team's able to do it, The only other thing I want to say from this Chiefs game is we always joke about Rishi Rice and we're kind of like, D.K., you've made the point of, I don't really get why other people can't do what Rishie Rice does. Why is he always hoping? Well, I just, when you look at his route, like his route tree and the routes that he's running, he's just running these like crossing routes.

And I'm like, well, I can't everybody do this. But he is obviously very talented, very explosive. He's got good size. I don't doubt that he's a good player. But it is just funny that when you look at the route, the types of routes he's running, I'm like, what can't it? Literally there's like, I saw a snap from a different game, not today, but another game where every single one of his catches,

he had like three plus yards of separation. I'm like, how can, what is he doing that other people can't do? I don't understand this. I think today was the most like that game for Rishi Rice ever because he kind of hurt his hamstring at some point in the game or I don't know if he was cramping or what. He was cramping. He was cramping enough that he couldn't really run at full speed. Like, he wouldn't really take, in the fourth quarter in overtime,

he wouldn't really take contact. He was going down. Like he couldn't. And yet, wide open. He had 142 yards in this game, wide open. And it was all in the fourth quarter.

It was all like after he hurt his hamstring. He was after he cramping. He probably had 100 yards. He had 90% of the yards on the way they went down to tie the game at the field goal, the end of the game. Too crucial like 30 plus yard plays. He's like catching.

It's always, he just crosses over the middle. He's wide open, 20 yards to run after it. I mean, he's like big and fast and strong and he has good hands. I think he's good. To be clear, like I think he's a really good player.

It is one of those things that it's almost like actually like Travis Kelsey. Why can't everybody do this? I don't understand why like they have to have Rishi Rice come back and run these routes where they could have done it with anybody else. But I mean, it is, you know, it's a perfect mixture of scheme and skill set and talent. Obviously he's a very talented player. But it always is just one of those things where like he's just running these little crossing. It looks like when you play mad at an easy mode or college football on the freshman mode where you're just,

if you bump up the difficulty, you're like you could never just. throw it up all these times. Also, weirdly, like, I love, first of all, I just love the way the chiefs use Rishie Rice, because it feels like the chiefs use him, maybe more than any other team uses their wide receiver, maybe outside of Jackson Smith and Jigba. But the crazy thing about Risholice is as good as he's been. He's been like a top three wide receiver since he's come back from the suspension. He's like, the positive regression is probably going to come in the touchdown department.

They give him the ball so much inside the 10 yard lane. He has, he's like top five already and touches inside the 10, and he didn't play half the year. and he only has three touchdowns that's coming back. So I think that's even going to go up, his touchdowns. Another player. So, yeah, the Chiefs won this game. Sorry, we didn't say this point. And they needed two.

Well, they did. Yeah, I mean, the Chiefs. They would have been five and six if they lost this game. They would have been like 10th in the AFC. Well, they still are, I believe. Well, they still are, but they can get a wild card. But yeah, the Chiefs are, can they lose and still make it at this point? Yeah, but they kind of win out.

You can't win. The tough thing about the Chiefs is they've lost to a lot of the teams that are ahead of them. already. So that Colts win was big because there's a chance. The Colts could drop down to a wild card if the Texans keep right. Like, that's possible. I was going to say Colts play at Texas this week. And the Texas defense was unbelievable on Thursday and against the bills.

And they have 10 days to prepare for the Colts. And they're obviously, we're watching this game very intently. So it'll be really the Texas Colts game will be a big deal. But yeah, so the Chiefs won 23, 20 and overtime. And again, 11.4 quarter comeback. The other game here, I wanted to get to Dika, your, your winner here. George Pickens, as our beloved Ben Solek would say, George Pickens.

Man, this guy is so awesome. He's so good. There's people legitimately who are like, is he the best receiver on the Cowboys right now? Like, is he actually their number one receiver? Are you doing the many people are saying? Many people are saying. Pickens only needs like one hand.

I know. Come on. Pickens, it doesn't even look like Pickens is trying. He's kind of got the regime. You can, like, tie his arm behind his back. He probably had five cuts of still. The thing I love about Pickens is among receivers where the ball is in the air,

and you can see it going into a crowd. Like there's a couple defenders around. There's nobody in the NFL. I think I trust more to come down with a fucking difficult catch than George Pickens. He just comes down with these passes in traffic that are so the high degree of difficulty. There's no way he caught that, right?

Oh my God, he came down with it. He got his feet in, too. Holy shit. So George Pickens, obviously, was huge today. Nine catches, 146 yards. Nine catches on nine targets for 146 yards in a touchdown. The Cowboys came back. To pause you for one moment, nine catches on nine targets.

Amonra St. Brown last week versus the Eagles had two catches on 12 targets. Right. The Eagles have really good corner. So the Cowboys came back from this game. They were down 21 to nothing at one point and came back to win 24 to 21. They put the clamps down on the Eagles offense in the second half, especially their run game. But I think it's just fun to watch George Pickens. And the other thing that I'm like kind of gloating about George Pickens in last week, literally,

last week, he missed the bus to the game. And that's why he had to sit out the first series. Like, just the most George Pickens couple of weeks. They were in Vegas. Curfew or the bus? It was like, no, C.D. Missed curfew. He and Ceddy missed curfew. Pickens missed the bus.

That's what I, that's what the report is. Yeah. They were out in Vegas, baby, living it up. They were like, they were going to beat the Raiders. Good restaurants. Good restaurants. Good restaurants in Vegas. Yeah, I love the restaurants. The restaurants, they must have such a good time at that restaurant, Vegas.

That's so cool. They should call a strip club, the restaurant. the restaurant. Oh, I think that's what the NFLPA head was doing. Where were you? I was at the restaurant last night.

Relax. That was what Lloyd Howell, the head of the NFLPA was doing with his expensive to the evening. He was just got a restaurant. On your credit card statement, it says the restaurant. Honey,

what are these questions? Honey, what are you going to tell me? He's at the restaurant. Why are you confused about my $800 car outside that took me from five of the morning? We had a few drinks. I got some wings at the restaurant. It says restaurant.

Anyway, my point is he's worth a hassle. He is worth the asshole. They're going to have to pay him. He's unbelievable. On the crazy hot scale, he's hot enough. Pickens, there's, first of all, on a Sunday countdown this morning,

Randy Moss, he was talking, Mike Greenberg basically pulled this out of. He said this at a dinner, and they weren't going to say this on the show. But Randy Moss, they asked, like, if you were, what receiver reminds you most of yourself in the league? And Randy Moss was like, no one. And they were like, okay, but if you have to pick someone. And Rady Moss was like, George Pickens.

And they were all shocked. And Rady Moss was like, no, it's Pickens. And then you, and I kind of had that in the back of my mind watching this game today. And the other part of me, just watching Pickens play, do you remember being like, I don't know, five, seven, eight years old, whatever and like playing for 10 football in your hallway? Did you purposefully not say six, seven, eight years old? So nobody would do six, seven. Does that what you said five, seven, eight?

Do you know, I think that was subconscious? Yeah. Yeah. Remember being like seven or five years old? Right. But you're just kind of playing football in your imagination in your house or whatever. I feel like that's how George Pickens plays in real life. Like in my head, when I was seven years old,

I could just jump higher than everyone to just catch the ball over triple coverage. And then at some point you have this moment in life where you can't do that. And George Pickens is like the only person who's just never had that moment that you can't just catch any ball, third. I don't remember when we thought of this. But the second one of us said that he's like a cat. I can't stop seeing. Just startled cat.

It's like a cat. His legs are like springloaded. Like he can he can just erupt into the air in any direct. You know how cat can just like they're facing you, but then they jump sideways? Like that is what George Pickens can do. He has this really bizarre physicality to the way he plays that like I can't quite put my finger on. And it's what I'm so happy. I'm genuinely very happy for George Pickens.

I'm happy he's out of Pittsburgh because I think people who watched the Steelers knew he was this good. The problem was is he was making. all of these acrobatic catches just out of bounds because the quarterback sucked and now the throws are good so he can actually do it inbound. He's in the perfect situation now because this is like a super pass heavy offense.

Dak is going to throw it off to him. You know, they're scoring a lot of points. Yeah, it was like cute and fun. He was like the first 10 years of Matthew McConaughey's career where it was like he's in rom-coms. He's good. We like Matthew McCona. And then he was like, oh shit.

He can actually like win Oscars and be in Dallas Byers Club and Wolf of Wall Street and True Detective and he's actually one of the best actors around. Like that is George Pickens now. you're like, I think this guy's a fucking top five water receiver in the NFL. And C.D. Lamb's like, man, George, stop saying weird shit. I just want you

to stop saying weird shit. No, yeah, it's true. It's like someone's memory of town and the town is fade or the memory's fading. I know we have some like new listeners probably, but I feel like for Pickens's entire tenure, our joke was that if the football field was one yard wider, George Pickens would have

the greatest highlight really catches in NFL history, even though he'd been in the NFL for like two years. And going back, that sounded like a joke. But like he actually probably might go down with one of the four or five best highlight reel catches ever. Like he really, if you look at some of those things out of bounds

and now look at what he's actually capable of doing, you're like, you're right, Craig. It was the quarterbacks probably. It's unbelievable what he's been doing. He's such a good fit. I hope he's on Dallas. I hope he's with Dak for the rest of his career. Dak said that at the end.

He's like, we're not letting him go. And he's right. And also Jerry knows this is box office. They can franchise everything. They're going to keep them at least in that. By the way, it'll blow up at some point, but until then it's going to,

be sick. Ride the wave. Ride the wave. Are the Cowboys good? They might be. Cowboys... Is Jerry cooking? Is this defense actually like better now? Is Jerry kind of, we're so back? Yeah. I don't know. We're so back, Jerry. Jerry did the thing that you never do in trades, right?

Like, he traded the one good player for a bunch of shitty pieces. Like, the thing we always said in fantasy. It's like, don't be the guy who accepts five players to give away one. And Jerry did it. It's kind of working. This was the worst run offense that we've seen from the Eagles this year. according to success rate. It was like 18% success rate in the run game. So they turned them one dimensional.

Obviously they got behind early on. And Jaylon Hertz is making some big plays. But I mean, they shut them down later and came back. Yeah, we need to rewind for a second. The Eagles went up 21 to nothing. And that didn't score again. And the Cowboys won 24 to 21. This was crazy.

Did you see Sal was tweeting in the second quarter, I think, when they went down 21 to 1 or 21 to nothing? He was like, he's like, number one, I hate everybody who tried to convinced me that the Cowboys could win. And number two, I didn't believe you or something like that. They came back in one. I can't wait to listen to what he has to say about this game. Are you guys, so yeah, like, are you guys the believers that the Cowboys might be real contenders here?

Or was this just like a weird divisional game? I mean, I think the problem is, is that if you look at who the Cowboys play the rest of the season, they have an incredibly difficult schedule. They play the Chiefs next week. Then they're at the Lions. They played Minnesota. They play the Chargers. So it's like, I do think it's going to be very hard.

But yeah, I think this team was always a little bit better than their bad record suggested this whole season. Right, Hyphitz, wouldn't you agree? Like, I think the Cowboys are a 500 team, give or take away. Yeah. I think the defense, I mean, again, it has four or five new players

that weren't on the team two weeks ago that are making a little bit of difference. The offense is hitting his stride. I also, not to be old mushy-gushy, but the post-the-marsha-Nieland thing, I don't know, sometimes, like, you know, sometimes light shines upon teams in certain moments. And also, the Eagles, frankly,

Philadelphia is a godless place anyway. So I think that maybe there's just like a misalignment in, you know, priorities here. Schottenheimer was ripping off Pete Carroll in the postgame speech to his team. He did the whole, can you win in the first quarter? No, can you win in the second quarter? No.

Can you win in the third quarter? He's like, we did spot him 21 points. But I... Can you win in the third quarter? I got to tell you guys, I think there's a... How much fun did we make of the Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer? I like Shottie. I got to tell you, the hit rate on when we make fun

of a head coach being hired is, those coaches probably hit at like 80 or 90% and the coaches we love probably hit at like 10 or 20%. It wasn't just us. Jerry was embarrassed to announce Sherry was embarrassed. We always talk about quarterbacks of like no one knows anything. Coaches? Oh my God. Just Nick Siriani, who we made a lot of fun

at his opening press conference and then the rock paper scissors One of the greatest coaches of all time. Literally up there, you know, Dan Campbell, was. Few coaches have been mocked more at their opening press conference than Dan Campbell. And then add Brian Schottinheimer to the list. Like if you just look at coaches, like, if people are like, love this hire, it usually

sucks. Hate this higher. Often very good. That's all. Yeah. Once again, Jerry. knows what he's doing? Jerry.

He's cooking right now. Who's cooking? Do we have IKEA today? By the way, it did seem like there was at least one play in this game where he was, I think C.D. was blinded by the sunlight. But there was only one. ball because they knew where it was. He's like pointing towards the

towards the sun. We just had to get one in there. Ced he's pissed. He's like actively getting market corrected by his own teammate. He's like freaking out. Craig, this is the opposite of what you were worried was going to happen is that C.D. Lamb is going to get 18 targets a game and Piggins is going to freak out.

No, it's it's Pickens getting all the targets, all the glory. And Cedys like, what the fuck? Yeah. Dax's going out to dinner with Pickens now at the restaurant after the game. They're going to give Pickens Cedys money. Well, they're going to give C.D. But it's true, though, not to make it about the one thing, but the Citi had some bad drops in this game. Again, after he had the bad drops in week one and the loss versus the Eagles.

And then third and nine, he had a big drop. And then in the goal, it was great coverage from Cooper to Gene. But honestly, it felt like the game was on the line. And Citi couldn't bring in a touchdown over Cooper to Gene. And then one drive later, George Pickens is like leaping over Cooper to Gene like a cat and bringing it down. And like, that kind of was the game. It was like, George Pickens made a play on Cooper to Jean and read Blakenship. And Cid Liam couldn't.

And, like, that was kind of the game. So, no, I, I totally agree. But, yeah, the Cowboys, they're, and also, Dak Prescott passed Tony Romper for career passing yards. There was a lot of that today, just, like, players passing. Yeah, random hit, like, also, can I just say, you guys might disagree with this. I think I enjoy when the Cowboys are good.

Yeah, I think so. I don't, I don't disagree with that. Well, you know, it's weird. They're always good. The Cowboys haven't, the Cowboys have had three, seasons in our lifetime. There was a stretch here recently where it was like they had the most wins besides the Chiefs over like the last five years or something.

Yeah, the Cowboys are kind of like the Vikings. We're quietly, always competitive, always in the playoffs. They draft really well. They drafts really well. I mean, the Vikings have more like heartbreaking bosses. And who's their GM, Dallas? Well, it's not really Jerry. It's good point.

No, well, I mean, the buck stops in, Jerry. He's got a good. He's not the one scouting all the players. Well, you know what he does, though? they come up to him. It's like the Schwarzenegger character in the Simpsons movie. They just like show him three scouting profiles. He just looks at the photo and goes, number three.

I can't read. Not to read. That's fucking sharing. Oh my God. He's like, Tyler Booker. I like him. They're like, okay. Speaking of the Vikings, though, my God, my loser is Janey McCarthy in Minnesota Vikings. We got a new

Kenny Pickett facts. This is where, oh yeah. Every stat you see for J.J. McCarthy is worse. The Vikings would make the playoffs with Candy Pickett right now. Oh, yeah. The Vikings, I mean. Well, I don't know about that. So the Vikings lost to Green Bay today, 23 to 6.

It was never competitive. Well, it was competitive in the first half, but J.J. McCarthy completed 12 passes for 87 yards. And watching the game, I actually, that was higher than I thought. The Vikings were down four points at halftime. So it was very winnable game, four points at halftime. And then at that point, the Vikings offense has in the second half, the entire second half.

Minnesota has three punts, two picks, gains one yard. Not great. So updating what I was talking about with you guys on Friday, J.G. McCarthy now ranks 851

out of 852 quarterback since 2000 in APA per dropback. 852 quarterbacks qualifying, like qualifying passers, and he's second to last out of the 852. The only quarterback behind

J.J. McCarthy to EPA per dropback in the last 25 years is Jamarcus Russell. The most notorious bust of all time. Literally the worst bust in the history of the NFL. You can't say that. You couldn't just say the worst bust of all time, could you? No, I just

I'm like, the biggest busts. The biggest bust I've ever seen in my life. The largest bust of all time. Yeah, I just I don't know how you say that. DK., right now, you're starting a team. Oh, God. J.J. McCarthy or Shador Sanders. Craig, you beat me to the punch.

You beat me to the... This is the best question I've ever been asked. Well, considering... Considering we're like borderline worst of all time in terms of the statistics I've seen from JJ... I'm probably going to go with Shudur. Really? I mean, Shudor play better today.

Tools-wise, tools-wise. And this is like why I think people liked him in the draft. J-J-J-M McCarthy's more impressive. But like, legitimately, some of the... stats we've seen are among the all-time worst ever. It's like good, he's like Nathan Peter, my, the Dante Coppowitz Fleming, some of this. He's the first player with nine interceptions and fewer

than nine past touchdowns in six career games since Nathan Peterman. You remember the infamous Nathan Peterman game? The wrong nine came out. The wrong nine. Yeah, no, it's, yeah, he's, and again, every stat you look at legitimately, it's hard to come back from this. It's hard to come back from what he's done. The stats.

And again, the stats aren't everything, but there are a lot of stats that are EPA per play, expected points out of per play or adjusted net yards per attempt, whatever you want to pick. These are the best quarterback stats we have. They roughly match the eye test. Sometimes it's not a quarterback. It's the offense when the quarterback is the guy.

But overall, these are very descriptive stats. These are stats where the top are 2013 Peyton Manning and like 2007 Brady and the best quarterbacks ever and the guys at the bottom. And it go through every stat. I pick one. I'm looking at every qualifying passer in fucking since 2000. And you look at like success rate.

Out of the 852, all these stats are out of 852. In success rate, which is just how often are you moving the chains, McCarthy's 844th between Brandon Whedon and Josh Rosen. Touchdown to Interception Radio, he's 830, which is between Ryan Leif and 2002 David Carr, which was an expansion Texans. They were an expansion team. Passer rating, just pass a rating.

He's 847 behind Jimmy Clause. Like, Achilles, like he's behind, Justin 8-garts per attempt. He's, again, only head of Jamarcus Russell behind Achilles Smith. every stat you pick he's surrounded by literally like the worst draft picks of my lifetime, which are like Russell and Killy Smith and Josh Rosen, or the worst offenses I've ever seen,

like the winless Cleveland Browns and the Colts tanking for Andrew Luck. Like these offenses are significantly better than the Vikings have been in JJ McCarthy. And with that said, I don't even know if that's the worst part. I think the worst part is that Kevin O'Connell, the head coach, who is famously a quarterback,

Uru Whisperer who has fixed other players is giving crazy detailed breakdowns last week about the mechanical tweaks J.J. McCarthy needs to make, specifically, his feet need not be so goddamn wide. Your feet can't, you need to be within your shoulder frame that he's is throwing so inconsistently because his feet are too wide when he's letting go the ball. And to me, the worst part isn't the stats. The worst part is if you watch all the mistakes, JJ McCarthy made today, it was because he didn't make any of those mechanical fixes.

He's sailing, he threw a screen pass, Anthony Richardson-style, out of bounds. He threw a pass to Justin Jefferson on a third down before halftime, out of bounds. He is the interception he had. The first pick was, he got hit while I was thrown. But his feet, he looks like he's doing split. His second pick, his feet looked like he's doing split. He didn't make any of the mechanical tweaks, which at that point, either he's not able to fix this stuff during the season clearly because Kevin O'Connell's saying it publicly

and he still can't do it, or this guy has the yips. but it is actually crazy concerning. He made zero progress with any of the things they're trying to help him with. Well, that's the problem with when you're trying to make mechanical tweaks to the form

that someone uses, which is something that's just very sort of a natural thing. Like, it's very hard to make mechanical tweaks to anybody's like swinging form, throwing form, shooting form, whatever.

Especially, and especially goes, the first time it goes is when you see pressure in your face and you just revert back to sort of whatever, the base. way that you do things.

And guess what? Guess who he gets to play next week? The Seahawks. Dude, do you play him versus the Seahawks? This is a great question. What do the Vikings do with J.J. McCarthy at this point? Well, this is where another one, I don't, I'll never understand NFL teams is lack of, no one invested in the quarterback room anymore.

Like when, like Matt Houseback. The Vikings did last year. They did, but then they let Daniel Jones leave. and they let Sam Donald leave, and they had J.J. McCarthy, who had never started a game. And instead of having a... I mean, I understand Carson Wentz got hurt, so that's bad. It was also a strange choice of all veteran leadership

to have Carson Wentz who famously wouldn't help other players. But I guess I'm being hard because Carson Wentz is out for the season. But the Vikings are stuck with Max Brasmer, who we thought was like a fake person. I mean, this guy, Max Brasmer, what college did he go to again? That man is not real. Yeah, he went to New Hampshire.

This guy went, and then he transferred to Minnesota last year. year. But he spent four years as quarterback at New Hampshire. Should he play over Darnold in Seattle? Legitimately, the question is, what are we risking? Sorry, JJ McCarthy. If you start JJ McCarthy against the Seahawks, is it worse than benching him? Like, in terms of his long-term mental outlook, right? Because that's the worry now is that you're continuing to force him to have all this media scrutiny,

exactly what we're doing right now, which is talking about. how every stat that you see from him is among the worst of all time like legitimately like Heifett said like every one of the stats you look at he's like grouped together with all the all time quarterback busts in NFL history He's only ahead of Jamarcus Russell

in the best two quarterback stats we have So what do you do? I think you play him I think you probably have to but I think you just have to ride this out like you play him for you play him for as many games as you can this season and if it's that bad you have more data that you can then make a decision to perhaps move off of him sooner

because you've seen him play more. I got to tell you, if I'm the Vike, I mean, it's too bad because they're, you know, the record is a little off. The record, the Vikings are four and seven. They're not making a class. I'd be like signed there a car out of free agency.

I guess you actually can't even do that because the same is right. I guess, yeah. This is, I mean, statistically, objectively, it's about as bad as it gets. And again, it's one thing for him to be horrible decision-making. The eye test isn't any better, by the way.

No, it's- He looks like Uncle Rico back there, just like winging balls, not knowing where he's going. He has no idea what's happening. So-Luck made a good point that once the script is over, the first 15 plays, he's a mess. But he has, look, he's never played before. He didn't play that much in college. He didn't have to throw him much in college. And my favorite meme is someone has a thing of a guy at a subway stop. The train stopped and a guy, like, pretends to start, like, moving the train and moving the subway.

and they're like, that's J.J. McCarthy on the Michigan National Championship team. It is funny, man. Like, if you brought somebody in who had no idea what football was, and you had to, like, start from scratch, and you're like, hey, you got to pick a quarterback in college who's going to be good in the pros. I feel like the first thing they'd ask is, like, well, who's, like, played the most? Like, who's thrown the most past?

Who's the most experienced? You know, like, when you apply for a job, like, are you experienced? How long have you been working in this industry? How many throws have you throw? How many paths have you thrown? It's just funny to how many. Have you ever talked to a client? I think the problem is...

Or are you just really charismatic? I think the problem is that clearly quarterbacks, some quarterbacks need an... I guess really, probably all quarterbacks need an apprenticeship. And there's a weird moment in quarterback development. We'll talk about this more of the draft show. And for those who don't know, we do the whole year, stick with us the whole year.

We cover the playoffs. We cover the free agency. We cover the draft. DKs are draft expert here at the Ringer. And we're going to talk about this a lot with quarterbacks, especially because the Anthony Richardson effect, with NIL and all these guys are going to go back to school. All quarterbacks need to apprentice somewhere.

It used to be in the NFL where it was normal to sit for a year or two. It was normal to go to college and sit for a year or two. And then you go to the NFL and sit free or two. And the contract structure now at the NFL, the incentive is you want to get the quarterbacks to play well while they're young. But what that does is you kind of turn into a woodchipper where teams are trying to play young quarterbacks. But they didn't play that much in college and now they're not playing that much. And it's like literally the why is J.G. McCarthy playing?

Is it because he's ready? No. It's because Sam Darnold was expensive. and J.G. McCarthy was cheap. And so I think that what we're learning is, you know what? Some things cost more than money. And while Sam Darnold at $40 million was expensive, wasting this year is probably a lot more expensive to Minnesota

than the $31 million that they're going to save by not having Sam Donald be the quarterback. You know, it's tough. Like, obviously right now, it's so clear that they made the wrong decision. Obviously, they should have kept Sam Darnold. However, in the moment, it was a tough call. It was not a clear answer to me or anybody I talked to. It was a big argument of like, what do you do?

I really think it was like an unlucky situation that they happened to bring in Darnold and he was so good and clicked so well in the offense and threw 35 touchdowns. And then you have to give him all this money, but you took a guy with the 11th pick, assuming that Darnel would just be the bridge. Like I do think it is a uniquely difficult situation that, like, it's not their fault. It just was unfortunate. And they made a call based on like, look, we're going to go with the young guy we drafted in the top 15?

Yes and no. I can look back and be like, I get why they did that. Yes and no. Unambiguously, it's a difficult decision and it's hard. I think the difference is the reason we gave the Vikings

the benefit of the doubt is, well, Kevin O'Connell is the guy who made Sam Donald like resurrected his career and Kevin O'Connell, again, like little things too. Like having Josh Dobbs show up and not know any of the plays

and the two days notice and he's like wins the game versus the Falcons with Josh Dobbs who had just gotten there like 24 hours earlier. Like Kevin O'Connell clearly is literally like an amazing hour of quarterbacks. How bad?

his stats be without count of colonel? I know. And so we gave him the benefit of the doubt. Oh my Lord. They knew more about the situation than anybody else. And so if they're letting Donald go, there must be a confidence in McCarthy. That's fair. But now Joe House was all over this when he was making fun of this reporting, talking about how, about how, like, Kevin O'Connell was like, I spent an hour a week with J.J. McCarthy last year. And it's like, that's not much time. That's, that's, an hour a week is not enough to prepare. What if you said I spend an hour a week with my son? We're like, you're a fucking deadbeat. It's, it really, like an hour a week for Perry, Judge McCarthy.

I mean, just, for example, Mahomes, when the chiefs had Mahomes, they hired Brad Childress, who was formerly a head coach in the NFL. And Brad Childress's entire job was to spend all of his time with Mahomes and teach him the offense. They had an entire guy just for Mahomes. And so, like, literally they had a translate anyway. The point, I thought this would work. I thought it would be way better than this. So, like.

Clearly they did. too. You didn't think he was going to be maybe the worst quarterback in the history of the NFL? I did not. Well, D.K., that's pretty embarrassing for you because if you go

pull the tape up from 2024 when they took him, I was like, this guy's going to be like Jim Marcus Russell all over again. The Iron Become Death, Oppenheimer Award for player who went nuclear today. Man, I think we got a,

Giants Lions was unbelievable. Giants Lions was a fun game. Really weird for me because it was really fun and entertaining throughout. Lions beat the Giants 34, 27, and overtime. There was a thousand

yards of offense in this game. Hell yeah. This was like an old school big 12 game. Jamir Gibbs had 260 yards from scrimmage, 50 fantasy points depending your scoring. Wando Robinson had the most receiving yards in the first quarter that any receiver has had in any first quarter this year.

This game had the most 20 plus yard plays in the first half of any game in any half all year. And James Winston had 10 passes of 20 plus yards, which is the most 20 plus yard passing plays in Giants history going back to when they started tracking it in 1991, which is probably means the whole franchise history.

But, I think this was actually like a pantheon James Winston game. It was a classic. We were texting during the game and Hyphitz was like, I am absolutely loving the James Winston experience right now. I'm just like, just wait. He hit a flea. I told you guys, like, this is perfect because when Russell Wilson played, I wanted to die.

And then it was hopeless, literally hopeless. James Winston's nothing, if not hope. But they're two and nine. And at least when they lose now, it's not excruciated. It's pretty cool. And then they lose the game. And so they don't fuck up

the draft pick. That's right. Kind of a win-win for you. Yeah, you've got a second pick in the draft right now. Yeah, Russ is like a depressant

and then James is like an upper. It's like either way, you're going to the wrong place, but at least the upper, you have some fun. Exactly. That's, yes, that's exactly. Yeah, he's an upper.

James, 366 yards, two touch-s and a pick. And the play of the day, probably a top five play of the entire year, which is James Winston, catching a 33-yard touchdown and sending this poor lion's linebacker, Derek Barnes into the fucking shadow realm.

God, he's going to get shit on so hard in film study after that. Every part of this play was improbable. Like, none of it, like, the handoff to, is it, it was Gunner. Gunner Olshevsky. Elchevsky. The, like, reverse handoff to him was, like, weird. It broke down immediately. He, like, was supposed to throw, but had to turn him, like, avoid tacklers.

I thought he was then just going to run it. But then he still throws it to James, who's, like, covered and not open. Well, James is, like, wide open because he's beat the guy, but then Gunner can't, it took so long that he can't throw it that far anymore. Yes, but then sometimes, like, the throw is so unexpected. You almost, like, he almost, like, threw him open

because the corner didn't know what was going on. James catches the ball, and he's like, sheds him, like, spins. He, like, is running, like, one mile an hour. Un-fucking believable play. And he spins, and you think he's going to go down at the one, the two or the one, and he just stands. And so he ends up triumphantly standing at the one-yard line,

and he just kind of does, like, the finger roll into the end zone. And I'm like, this is like the most joy oh my god i just would have so after losing after blowing this lead do they bring dayball back because they're like sorry actually it wasn't your fault well it's funny we complain what the fuck are you talking about to get why was brian table playing russell wilson over james jolkin called down god's christ i'm so mad i just can't believe oh we were all mad we we were all mad at dayball for you know putting jackson dart in harm's way meanwhile kaffka and starts throwing to James.

What are we doing? If they put the Jackson Dart would be mad. Oh, my God. Well, maybe Dart's going to play receiver. James Winston can just play quarterback. This is amazing. James has to be starting. Like, every year, James just needs to play

starting quarterback in the NFL. I apologize. He's the perfect bad team quarterback because he makes it exciting, but then they lose all the games. Yeah, that's great. I don't know. Someone at the ringer said this.

I don't know if it was you, Craig, or Bill or Sheel or someone said that James, years ago, that James should be an NFL. employee and be sent to bad teams with cool players. He would have been sent to the Bengals this year with Jason. He should just work for the NFL and be.

He's like an automatic quarterback in a flag football. This is actually a pretty good. Dude, Vikings right now? Yeah. Yeah, he should just. To the quarterbacks or teams of quarterback problems. Yes. You just send him the all-time quarterback.

And then you can you get that guy until you get that guy until your guy gets healthy or until you reach a certain record. Yeah. The band day. James Winston. Dart is back. Send James to Minnesota. that would be cool. James, I do think, I know I'm biased.

I think the Giants have replaced the Bengals as the perfect fantasy football team and the most entertaining team that's bad because the Giants run defense. I mean, dude, Jamir Gibbs. Just wish Malik neighbors was healthy guys. If neighbors was healthy. That's the giant, they did this today and they don't have neighbors or scatapoo. I do. That's crazy.

I can't remember a time where a team has had more irrelevant, literally unknown players that like kind of deliver in fantasy. Isaiah Hodgings got to this team 10 days ago and is actually like a vital He's better than Lil Jordan Humphrey, Hyphitz. Dude, James Winston was, maybe Stafford passed him, but James Winston entering Sunday football was the most fantasy points of any quarterback. Wando Robinson and Amon Ross St. Brown in this game were both top three most fantasy

points of receivers. And then Jemir Gibbs had by far the most fantasy points of any running back today. Dek, I, I, I, no, he had more points than any player has had this year. That's, oh, that's pretty good. Including quarterbacks, including Josh Allen, who had six touchdowns in a game. Jemir Gibbs scored more points than that. guy. Dude, Gibbs and Allen to me are the only two players in the NFL where particularly in fantasy,

you can tell within the first quarter or two that this guy's unstoppable today and there's like nothing anybody can do. And it is, it's, I don't feel that way about Sequin, about Bejohn Robinson. It's only Jemir Gibbs and Josh Allen where it's like, I'm fucked. I played against Jemir Gibbs in two leagues this week and I was like, you just feel it. You're like, he will score like 350 yard touchdowns. there's nothing anybody can do. Same with Josh Allen.

Gibbs finished with 219 rushing yards. He had 264 yards. So think about that for a second. There was 1,000 yards in Lions Giants and Jemir Gibbs had a quarter of them. 55 fantasy points in PPR. You know what? Remind me, you know how last year I was like,

I'm taking Jamar Chase next year and then I didn't? Remind me, I will take Jemir Gibbs now. I need to have Jumeer Gibbs. We should tattoo on ourselves right now. Jemir Gibbs is the number one pick next year, barring any kind of injury. Like Jemir Gibbs is the number one guy. And you know what else was interesting?

So obviously the Giants run defense has not been great. I mean, the Lions' offensive line was, even in this game, there were points where the Giants were winning on passing downs, but they still open up like the Red Sea. But I will say, Jamir Gibbs, I think this season is added. He's added power. I think it's funny to go back to the draft and think about how we were like, oh, can he run between the tackles?

I think Jemir Gibbs is bouncing off of guys. He's running through tackles. Yeah, he rifts through arm tackles. It's the combination of he had multiple, long touchdown runs today where he literally was untouched. But he also broke multiple plays because he was bouncing off dudes. And the fact that he is probably the fastest running back, I guess after Devon A Chan, like he's the fastest running back, but he feels like the most explosive guy.

I think he's actually faster than Devon Achan. A Chan's really, really fast. But somehow Gibbs is more explosive. Like the way that he just kills pursuit angles from defenders, like if you see him, there's a lot of times where there's a defender that's pursuing him towards the sideline, they're both running towards the sideline, and Gibbs just

outruns the guy and just turns the corner and goes past him and scores a touchdown. And there's very few players in the NFL. I trust to do that. It's Gibbs, A-chan, I think maybe, and then Jonathan Taylor. And in fact, Jonathan Taylor has the according to the next-gen stats, the fastest,

he's been the fastest ball carrier this season. But Jemir Gibbs is third, fourth, and second, third, fourth fastest on other carries. He's just so explosive. You can't keep up with his speed. In the matter of one month, what were you going to say, Greg?

No, I was just, I was going to talk about how, and I can't believe how young Jimir Gibbs is. He's 23 years old. I think in the matter of one month, I went from wanting to bring this up, and I felt like I was being a little premature. And to, but I think now it's okay to talk. I think Jemir Gibbs, we have to start talking about,

he's kind of maybe going to be one of the best running backs in NF history. Because he's on track to have a ridiculous amount of touchdowns. Every single list he is on. It is just Jim Brown and Barry Sanders and Ladanian Thomas. It is first ballot hall famers. It is the dad test. It is players that like dads love and talk about and grandfather. It's just every single thing.

It's like most touchdowns before turning 24. It's like Randy Moss and Rob Gronkowski and Jimir Gibbs. And it's like just every list he has rushing yards and touchdowns and everything he's done is literally only inner circle NFL Hall of Famers. Right. And it's kind of been that like Ladani and Tomlinson where super explosive, super shifty, scores a ton of touchdowns.

And I know that's high praise, but I mean, he has, this is a stat that was being thrown around today. He has 44 touchdowns in 43 games so far in his career. Barry Sanders had 43 touchdowns in his first 46 games. So he's already eclipsed Barry Sanders first three seasons. in terms of touchdown scored.

Obviously, there's other stats out there. And he didn't start as the starter. Like the beginning of his rookie year, we were mad that he wasn't playing. Yeah. So, yeah, we can't say enough about games. I agree, Craig. We should make that a memento tattoo now at the end of each year. We kind of like tattooed.

Are you going to take him over Jonathan Taylor next year? Yeah, I will. 100%. Because with the culture, my day. Yes. And that's how everything works, right? Like, you take the guy who was really good against you.

It's like, I'm like, you know what? I'd rather just not have to go against him. If you. classic Warriors fan Craig's like if you can't beat him, join him. He's got the Kevin Durant. If that means I went back-to-back rings after doing it, I'd be happy.

No, you're right, actually. We should just, that person who destroyed you in an important matchup, you should just take that guy. Just take that guy who scored 50 points. The other person we have to talk about today is Jackson Smith and Jigba. Talk about all these records that got broke. DK, did you know this was,

I think I'd heard this and I went in one ear out the other that Jackson, like, realize this was going to happen this week, I kind of just thought there's no way that's true. But in the middle of the Seahawks game, the Seahawks beat the Titans 30 to 24 today. Jackson Smith and Jigba broke the Seahawks single season receiving record today. It's week 12. It is one of those things where it's like very obvious and very also surprising because of course he did. He's on pace for 2,000 yards this season.

Usually you do that in like, I don't know, December. I know. But yeah, I think, you know, obviously, I wrote about JSN two weeks ago. So if you want to go check it out, it's still very relevant. Obviously, he's like basically their entire passing game, more or less. In fact, I haven't checked the stat in the last couple of weeks, but this hat tip to Scott Barrett who pointed us out. Jackson Smith-Jigba is first all-time in receiving yards per team pass attempt.

So essentially, like, the percentage of your team's receiving yards, total receiving yards, he is first all-time. like he has more higher percentage of a team's passing yards than any other player ever um any that's actually he had he had uh 167 yards and two touchdowns today the next closest player in receiving yards was ken walker with 30 i think let me double check that but it was like something ridiculous like that um and yeah it was ken walker with 30 yards he had 167 next closest is ken walker with and once again it's just like a classic immediately just had all of these yards immediately in the game and then the game is out of hand.

What's his other record? He's like the first player ever to have 11 straight games in 75 yards or more. Oh, I didn't see that today. That's, I mean, that too. But also just the other one, again, the yards per route run. So again, Jackson Smith and Jigba is on pace for 2,000 receiving yards. The record. Which is by far the record. And again, the record is set by Calvin Johnson, who is 1916-game season, but he ran like 750 routes. And Jackson Smith and Jigba is on pace to break it. on like 450 or 500 routes, which on a per route basis, Jackson Smith and Jigba is like,

what, what is that? 30 or 40% better more yards per route than Calvin Johnson did when he broke the rate. Like Jackson, no one has ever had four or five yards per route run overseas. I mean, yeah, Jackson Smith and Jigba, they haven't been tracking routes for that long. No, it's like,

it's one of those things where it's a little bit of an asterisk, but he is on pace to set the all-time, the all-time record, which goes back, I think true media, it goes back to 2012 or something like that. So he's on pace to be the best in terms of efficiency yards per round. You'd have to go back to Jerry Rice

against replacement players or like Lance Allworth on like the Chargers when it's like the AFL to find some shit. But here's a piece of context for you though. Like Calvin Johnson in his record setting season averaged 119.8 yards per game. This year,

Jackson Smith and Jigua is averaging 119.4. So he's like very slightly behind in yards. And that's Calvin Johnson. Megatron. The most like physically impressive player I've ever seen him by the life. The player, Calvin Johnson, in my mind, it's insane to think about that. Randy Moss has taken the lore. In terms of their apex, Calvin Johnson's peak was higher than any player.

Like how good Calvin Johnson was at his peak was better to me than Julio Jones. He was better than Larry Fitzgerald. He was better than Randy Moss. Like they had those players probably had more sustained things and Calvin Johnson had injuries and the lions were just like kind of a mess. But Calvin Johnson, to me, is the best receiver I ever saw play football. And it's fucking insane to think that Jackson Smith and Jigba, who was seen another, just chalk it up to no one knows what the fuck they're talking about.

Because I remember watching and play college football and thinking that that Roseball and being like, well, this is the best. 347 yards receiving and three touch hour, whatever it was. And then teams like didn't even want him in the draft. When 20th they were seen, he's like, well, he'll never be an alpha. No one knows what the fuck they're talking about. We have to get that tattooed on a social draft show. That's very true. God.

That's true. In all context of life. Yeah. It's unbelievable. I mean, like I remember you guys asked me about Jason before the year and I was like, I don't know, like it's going to be difficult with Sam Darn.

What kind of passer is Sam Darnall going to be? I didn't know he was going to give him 50% of all the yards that the Seahawks are like amassing in the passing game this year. Like I did not see that coming. Obviously, I really thought he was good. But I did not know that he was this good. I mean,

he's legitimately, you know, I don't know if I'd say the best receiver in the NFL right now. like if I'm being totally honest, but like he's up there now with the elite elite receivers. It's so over. We're so back.

I have to start with it. I mean, we're so back for Shedur Sanders and it's so over for Chip Kelly. Literally over. Oh, man. Chip Kelly got fired by the Raiders. Rightfully so because, I mean,

I, this is, the Browns beat the Raiders 24 to 10. It was just an absolutely pathetic game on the Raiders. How many times did Gino get sacked? Ten times. I texted you guys half time. I was like,

I think the Browns have an outside. It was seven at half, right? They had seven sacks, I think, like two or three minutes into the third quarter. And it just, none of them looked hard. Again, so the Browns, it's, the Raiders are to me, like the worst team in the NFL. I think the rate by far. But the Browns, it's so funny, Shador Sanders, they won the game. The Browns had three touchdowns today.

Now, was Shador Sanders on the field for the first two? No, they actually ran Wildcat. They decided they'd rather not even have enough shudder on the field for the first two touchdowns. Was the third touchdown a screen? pass, he threw like seven feet to Dylan Samson, it took like 70 yards. Yeah. You could argue it was actually a run

because it was almost backwards. It probably was a run. We don't need to do more on the Shador. Like he didn't play, there wasn't that much. He didn't look that. He had the one deep ball that looked great. He had two good throws. Sure.

But like, okay. I agree. He played the worst team in the league and hit like two throws and still, what are we doing? I'm just going to get ahead of you on this one and say that's not what the narrative is going to be like. Well, no, I know. I just, well, I will.

I'll say, it isn't, I just wanted to... That's not what they're going to be talking about. The stat, it's funny, the Browns have stats, you didn't even know where stats. The Brown's last 17 quarterbacks to make their debut were 0 and 17. That's an undefeated season. They literally, he's the first quarterback to win his debut for the Brown since like 1995. And he's also just the 42nd starting quarterback for the Browns since they were reincarred.

Like, they were added as an expansion. They were brought back in the NFL in 99. He's the 42nd quarterback to, debut for the Browns, which I mean, that jersey was so long, the joke with the jersey with all the names on for the quarterbacks. When Baker was drafted, like he was 30th. That was not that long ago. To think of you have 42 starting quarterbacks in 26 seasons.

Anyway, so they won the game. Really, the Brown's defense is crazy. The Raiders were pathetic. Chip Kelly, it's over, Shudor is back. I also had an intrusive thought in this game. I'm really mad at Miles Garrett. For not leaving. I'm angry at him.

Yes. I think Miles Garrett's going to shatter the sack record this year, which is held by Michael Strayhan and it's tied Mark Gaston. What's he at right now? 17, 18? In his last five games, Miles Garrett has more sacks than anyone else does all year. I think he's at 15 or 17 now. I think 17 now.

The record, I believe, was 22 and a half. He's going to shatter this thing. So, TJ Watt, does it, T.J. Watt had it with Strayham? Yeah, T.J. Watts tied it with Strayhan. And then Mark Gastineau, who from the Jets in the 80s is pissed. He doesn't have it. The half sack, it's a whole thing. But anyway.

He has 18 sacks right now. He has 18. Again, he's 13 and last like five games. But I think at this point, watching him and to think about the Michael Parsons, right, I got to tell you, Miles Garrett is so much fucking better than Michael Parsons. It's not even close. Miles Garrett is so good. And I think I was watching today.

I know the Raiders are bad. I don't care. Every single game plan is just about Miles Garrett. everything everyone does is about this guy and he has 18 sacks and 12 games. It is unbelievable. And I think I realize today, I'm like,

Miles Garrett is probably the best pass rusher I've ever watched with my own eyes. I never watched Reggie White at his peak or whatever. Miles Garrett is so much, I'm sorry, he's so much better than T.J. Watt's been more clutch. Miles Garrett is so much better than T.J. Watt. He is better.

He's better. No, he is. Julius Peppers. He's more talented. And I'm kind of mad that he fucking signed with the Browns for $40 million a year instead of like being traded and sorry you to go make $33 million. The fact that Miles Garrett is going to just, it's like about Tonya just stayed on the fucking angels for his entire career. And I'm like, I don't know, DK. First of all, do you agree with me, DK?

I think he's the best guy I've ever seen. And I'm kind of pissed that he's just never going to play meaningful football ever. Yeah. No, I totally agree with you. I think it was just reminiscing when you were talking about that, that when he was coming out, I wrote an article for the rigger. that was like, who's better? Garrett Wilson or, sorry, Miles Garrett or Bradley Chubb? I'm like, I don't remember

the last time I heard someone talk about Bradley Chubb is nothing. It's incredible. But Miles Garrett, it's like, I'm sure Warren's Taylor. I said that Garrett was better. Nice. Okay. Sick. Nailed it. Nailed it. You mean the six foot five, 275 pound alien is a good pass pressure? Yeah.

Every time you see Miles Gary, you're like, this guy is, he was literally, he's like Michael Phelps. He was born to rush the rush the passer. He's just built so absolutely perfectly for it. He's so he's so both powerful and graceful and flexible. It's crazy what he can do on a. He just makes everybody look so shitty.

It's one of those players where he makes everybody look like they're like a JV player or something. The Mount Rushmore is Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White and Miles Garrett and all these guys. But yeah, anyway, so Miles Garrett. We have an important word of so back right here, Craig. it's kind of an obligatory we're so back but AJ Brown as soon as we were back it will be over next week

but currently we are back he had 110 yards and a touchdown look good Cowboys Rainbow Strip of course the Eagles lose when he plays great and they throw to him a lot so now they probably won't

the next week but Coincidence AJ Brown looked really good and I no longer think he's injured and he looks super strong and great hands really sticky hands for a guy who's like so big and brute,

great hands on AJ Brown. Looks awesome. They lost. I will say because I think last week, Craig, or maybe his high fits was asking me, is he actually any good? And I was like, yeah, he's good. I mean, and we could see,

we can see that in this game, right? Like, he's super explosive. Run after a catch. And like you said, he's got really sticky hands, especially in traffic, like really hard catches. He looks like the Terminator out of there

when he wants to. Yeah. We should do a power hour later this year of players who are pissed when their teams win. I actually saw it. AJ Brown, Kyler.

So I have AJ Brown in my home league. I've been watching him very, very intensely for the entire season. And so even when the ball doesn't go to him, I watch him just to see

what he does. For most of the season, when the ball does not go to him, he's pissed, he's lackadaisical. You could see his arms drooping. He looks like Snoopy walking down the street.

Today, when there were passes not going to him, he was engaged. Devonte, there was a play where AJ Brown was open. he threw it to Devante Smith instead. Devante Smith got the first down.

It was like an important play in the fourth quarter, whatever. I saw AJ Brown give the fist pump for his feet. It's because he got a touchdown. It's because he had 60 yards in a touchdown in the first quarter. And you know what? Sometimes you've got to feed your guys. Sometimes you've got to feed your stars. I mean, they were winning 21 to nothing out one point.

When they were throwing to him. Right. Then they stop. He's like, what I'm saying. We're going to win. What do we do that? Jalen Hurts is going to be like, I threw the ball and we lost. And in reality, it's like, you stop throwing you lost is what fucking happened.

DK, we're so back and so over. Who's it over for? So we're so back for the Jags who ended up winning today. Okay. And I don't know if it was like heroic fashion necessarily, but they want. There was this big Liam Cohen after the game. I've been watching a lot of postgame speeches by coaches this year for some reason. They're pushing them now.

I don't know why. But they're more of the thing. They are. I think Schefter among a lot of people is like posting these postgame. I don't know why they're advertising speeches for some reason. I think teams realize people because people fucking love them.

That's why. Anyway, Liam Cohen basically in the post game speech was like, we're never going to fucking apologize for getting a W. And then just look at one on this like long rant. I'm upset with all the ways these coaches find like speeches that kind of gloss over the fact they almost lost. Right.

They played like shit. Can he win in the first quarter? No. Well, it's hard to win in the NFL is the point. The Jags beat the Cardinals, is 27 to 24. Congrats. In OT.

Here's what I was going to say about this. I don't like I didn't think the Jags played particularly well. I don't think Lawrence played well and I'm going to get to that in a second here. But the or the F.C. South is like suddenly kind of interesting. We saw the Texans beat the bills on Thursday night football. The Texans are really kind of fun right now. Their defense is fucking awesome. I don't know what their quarterback situation is.

Davis Mills, I think went three and O as the backup or two and O at least. So you play three games or two games Now I'm misremembering Mill's. You went three no. Yeah, three and oh. Speaking of people who are mad when their team wins,

there was someone was pointing out when they were doing the post game speech in the after the Texans game, like CJ's job was just like in the corner just like standing there. Yeah. The Texans did the J.G. Wad arrow over again where it's like the defense is like the best defense

in the entire league. And you're like they're not going to make the division round. But anyhow, so the Jags are now seven and four. The Colts lost today at the chiefs. They're eight and three. And interestingly, Jacksonville plays the Colts twice still. They have not played them yet. So this division is very much still up in the air.

And the Colts also play the Texans twice this year. And that's going to be interesting because the Texas defense is awesome. The whole division basically hasn't played yet. Yeah. So I just think I wanted to point out the Jags are still in this. Obviously, the Texans are still in this. I'm less confident about the Colts now than I think I have been all year. And so that's going to be interesting.

I will say it's so over, though, for Trevor Lawrence. Like I'm kind of out, I think, at this point. I mean, I was already on the borderline. I think I came into this year somewhat optimistic that Liam Cohen would help him figure some things out. Did you know that since he came into the league in 2021, Trevor Lawrence has more turnovers than anyone else? He has 82 turnovers in 71 games, dead last. You know, it's so funny you say that because I feel like he probably also leads the league

in like turnover worthy plays that were not also turnovers. Like the almost turnovers, he probably was also first of that. Yeah, like defenders and his own players are just dropping all of his past. Defenders shocked that the ball came directly to them and were too stunned to catch the ball. He had three turnovers in this game, by the way. The Jags had four turnovers total and still managed to win. I don't know how. But he also looks so stupid.

Trevor Lawrence looks so stupid when he turns the ball over. Shave your fucking hair. When he cuts the hair. We need a change, man. You have 82 turnovers in 71 games. Cut the hair. I think we need to give, like, there needs to be the belt holder

at each position for It's So Over, we're so back, for the most flip-flops. Like, I think Trevor Lawrence is the current quarterback, it's so over, so back belt holder. Yeah.

Like, every other throw, you're like, I think I'm in. And you're like, actually, I'm back out. And you're like, I want to buy back in. Yeah, yeah. You are Liam Cohen.

Kevin O'Connell. You're Liam Cohen. Kevin O'Connell calls you. Wait, everybody. I'm never going to apologize. Can I be Kevin O'Connell? Yeah, yeah, please. All right, cool.

Hey, Liam. What's up, my guy? Man, you were crushing it, Tampa. Really cool to see what you're doing in Jacksonville. Anyway, I just wanted to talk. What are your thoughts on Trevor Lawrence? Like, how tied to him are you? Are you kind of thinking of bringing in a whole new regime at the quarterback position?

How are you feeling about him? Who is? is this? No, I'm not, I'm never going to admit it publicly if I'm Liam Cohen that Trevor Lawrence is not the answer, but Trevor Lawrence, he knows it in the back of his head. McCarthy and three firsts for Trevor

Lawrence. I mean, you don't need McCarthy. Just give me the first, third. The 33 first. I'll fucking court. McCarthy. We'll just take the face. We don't want to the pressure of having to play him. You keep McCarthy. We'll give you a third. How about that?

So we don't have to have McCarthy. Dude, three firsts, 100% for Trevor Lawrence. Yes. Yeah, you probably don't have to give three. Probably two, you probably could get him from two firsts. Two firsts, though, two firsts in a second. They wouldn't do it for two firsts. It's not enough.

I think my point, though, is more just like, obviously, we know that Lawrence has been a very controversial guy in his career. Obviously, he was like the golden boy coming out of Clemson, all that stuff. But even like this year, his numbers are not good. I mean, he's like 30th in completion rate, 25th in yards per attempt, 30th and pass rate, 28th in EPA per dropback. He's tied for dead last in turnovers this year with 14

turnovers. Gino, Sam Darnold, and two are the other guys that have 14 turnovers. I mean, this was like we, we, he was supposed to, Liam Coe was supposed to be the guy that kind of like helped him figure this out. It's just not happening. I think about something Craig said two months ago

by Trevor Lawrence all the time when I watch him. Craig called Trevor Lawrence a blockhead. A blockhead. I think about that 10 times a game when I watch the time. He does just make stupid play. He just doesn't. He's just like, he seems like a very nice guy, but when he plays football,

he just doesn't seem like very bright. Like, it's not a thing. Like, he just, in the moment, just never does the right thing. He's just,

boneheaded decisions. Yeah. He's a blockhead. Anyway. Yeah, he's, yeah. Well, Craig, who else?

It's so over for. It's over for the Steelers. Finally, it's over. Sweet. I got to hand to you, Craig. You called this so perfectly. Unbelievable.

You said, was it a month. ago that you said. Yeah, it was after week six, the Steelers were four and one, the Ravens were one and five. And I was like, after 12 weeks, the Steelers and Ravens are both going to be six and five. And the Steelers are not, and that's exactly what happened. Carlis, did you cut this? Do we have this? The Dolvins, the Vikings, the Browns and the Jets are the Ravens next four games. They're going to win all four of those. They will be four and over that stretch. And the Steelers play, the Colts, then the Chargers, the Bengals, and the Bears, Steelers are going to go two and two

over that stretch. Both of these teams are going to be six and five, heading into week 12. Six weeks ago, the Steelers were four and one, the Ravens were one and five. Now they're both six and five. I'm almost happy they lost today because I was sick of Mason Rudolph is going to be better for the Steelers narrative. Mason Rudolph stinks. And the final two drives, they had the ball twice in the final four minutes, and they didn't do shit because Mason Rudolph sucks.

And I didn't want to hear, how many times do we have to see Mason Rudolph? Oh, he plays like one good series that everyone thinks he's going to be a guy. Everybody wants the backup. Who are these people? I said it. I said it last week. Dude, people were saying it on, I won't name names. People were saying it on television that Mason Rudolph was the answer for the Steelers' offense.

Are you talking about better than Aaron Rogers this season? Or are you talking about better than Aaron Rogers with a broken left wrist that's supposed to be like six-week recovery? Better than Aaron Rogers this season. It was, I guess it was after Rogers, like, I heard his wrist. I didn't know how bad it was. But people were like, oh, I just, I think the offense in general is just better with Mason Rudolph and Aaron Rogers, which I didn't agree with. But anyway. It's just like Mason Rudolph, like in a burner.

It's going to be, dude, it's going to be hard for the Steelers to make the play. playoffs. It was a close game. I mean, it was a neck and net game. I think the Steelers could have won. It kind of could have gone either way, but I think the Bears were better and they deserved to win the game. And you look at the Steelers' upcoming schedule, man. It's not easy. They play the

Bills. They play the Ravens. And they're going to be competing now. The AFCs kind of, it's like 10 teams deep. And I don't, and they're now going to be competing with the Chiefs, the Texans, the Chargers, the Jags, the Bills. All these teams are fighting for wildcars. And I just don't think the Steelers are as good as any of those teams. The Steelers are just,

Again, the Mason Reef Experience is terrible. The Steelers, they botched the push today. They, like, tried to do the push for once. They actually went, and then they both, they did the reverse thing, which was cool, where they got, like, a counter off of it, and they actually got a great play. But then they also had a weird play where they tried to do the push push, and then they fucked up the snap count, which was kind of an ick. But also, they got the Steelers T.J. Watt touchdown thing.

Yeah, they did. Got a sack. Knocked on Caleb Williams, just still the pocket presence sometimes. The awareness is just not there. But, like, T.J. Watt got the ball and, like, they were able to get a touchdown in the end zone. And, like, T.J.W. Pat passed his brother for career sacks. Which is, like, also the fakes that ever because DJW was a fucking defensive end and JJ was a defensive tackle, which is like 10 times harder. But no one talks about that.

But the fact that they got the defensive touchdown and they still lost to the Bears. The lack of game planning from Tomlin, Mike Tomlin's week to week game planning is crazy because the Bears were down. We didn't talk about this on Friday, but the Bears were down their top three linebackers today. Tramaine Edmonds, T.J. Edwards, and Noah Sewell were all hurt. So the Bears linebackers, there's three starting linebackers for the Bears today, I believe combined in their careers, had three tackles, or maybe five tackles combined between the three guys. So, Demarco Jackson, who has never really played in the NFL that much, was like the Green Dot defensive communicator for the Bears today.

And you would think that this is the epitome of a thing that Arthur Smith, who was a head coach in the NFL running the Steelers' offense and Mike Tomlin can take advantage of. None of these linebackers for Chicago have played. DeMarco Jackson had 15 tackles for the Bears today. And all these guys played really well. And it's just strange to me that the Steelers can't take advantage of things like this. The Bear, like, Nassan Wright, the cornerback for the Bears,

had another crazy interception. And I don't know. It's a cool story of the Bears' defenders and stuff. But I don't understand why the Steelers can't take advantage of the stuff. It's it's arrogance. It's like, it's like we do what we do. we do. And you're like, okay, well, there's actually a weakness here that you could exploit. We're going to play our game. We're going to do what we do. If you look at Mason Rudolph's

passing chart today, he didn't throw over the field once over the middle of the field. It's just, that's the thing I don't get. It's like, this is your handpicked backup. Like Mason Rudolph has been with the team for years and years. I know he did the gap year to Tennessee, but it's like he's knows he's been there. And in theory, how many teams are better situated to take advantage of their top three linebackers being down in defense than the Steelers, where they're so ahead of the curve. Tight hands and running backs. All they have is John Hussmith,

who's Arthur Smith's preferred tight end. Darnell Washington weighs 311 pounds and Pat Friarmouth, who was really good before those guys were there. You would think that no team would be better situated to drag all three of these inexperienced linebackers on the field. Don't you think that if Sean McVeigh just had the Steelers, that the Steelers could maybe be the Rams right now?

Yeah, they would, yes. If you think about their roster, it's like they have three. good tight ends. They have a D.K. Metcalfe. They have Rogers who could probably do, like, a version of what Stafford is doing. Like, yeah. You could build exactly the Rams with the current Steelers roster, and the Steelers' defensive roster is probably more talented on paper than what the Rams have. It's ridiculous. The defense is probably better in LA, but you're right that Rogers probably, you're right, actually, Rogers probably could be doing a lot of staff. Yeah, it's all the tight ends.

It's funny. I was watching the games with some friends this morning, and one of my buddy's wives, Emily, who doesn't know a lot about the NFL? She was just like, Craig, how are the Steelers doing this year. And just without hesitation, I was like, the same they are every year. And she's like, which means what? I said, they're fine. She said, why don't they try to do better? I said, great question. I don't know. Really good question. But here's the thing, though, so the Steelers play the Ravens next week. And I got to tell you, the Ravens, what was even the final score of that game? 2310, I think? 23 to 10. Unimpressive win by the, the Ravens didn't exactly run away from the Jets. They look like shit the whole day. Well, I think we might have to make time here for America's

favorite second. The Ringer fantasy football show presents for or short. Ooh, that's going to leave a mark. Featuring Cucka Crazy Craig and the Diper Danny's. Oh, I don't like that. The diaper Danies is pretty good.

I don't like that. I like that you guys got a name associated with going the bathroom and I just got crazy Craig. Yeah, that's a fucking L. Anyway, could it be like shit-stained? Craig or something. I know.

Come on. Okay. Daniel. Oh, me again? Yeah. What I mean me again? Where are you been? I don't want to do this anymore.

You know how this works. Lamar Jackson, Daniel, for the first time in his career, has had back-to-back games with zero touchdowns. He, since coming back from injury, is the QB-22, which is behind Cam Ward and Gino-Smith. Lamar Jackson Again, Lamar Jackson. I'm talking about Lamar Jackson, multiple time MVP winner. Since coming back from injury,

he has the fifth lowest passing yards per game only ahead of, JJ McCarthy, the Browns quarterbacks, the Jets quarterbacks, and the Bucks. The Bucs. Yeah, it's been rough for the Bucs.

I wouldn't have guessed that. It's tough today. Lamar Jackson, Fart or Sharp. Okay, so until he's healthy, Shart. Okay, well. I don't think he's very healthy. Also, this is important because

Lamar's the only person who's had in this category. Lamar's the only person who's had in a fart his shirt that's actually been incredibly accused of sharding in and it. Incredibly. Pablo Tori researched that and found out.

Boblo Tori, where are you? He did infect shit himself? No, I don't know that. Probably. No, but my point is, until he's healthy and back to himself, like, yeah, he's going to continue to struggle, it feels like.

Well, they don't have a biweek coming They play in four days. I know. Should you consider? I said sharder, right? Let me ask you this. You did say sharp, but I want to dig into that

and actually come up with like what you should do about it. If you have, I mean, a lot of quarterbacks that you didn't expect to be good are kind of good this year in fantasy. There's been a lot of guys

like Jackson Dart. Who's a good example? Let's see you have Jackson Dart on your bench. Dard or Shart or Dart or? Dard or Charter. Dard or you going to play Jackson Dard or Lamar Jackson next week? Oh, thanks give it. Yeah.

Ravens play, well, the Ravens play the Bengals this week. Sure. Who did a Giants kit? Doesn't matter. You have to play Lamar versus the Bengals. The Bengals, we were saying five days ago. It's like one of those things. They just played the Jets.

Do you play? Do you play Lamar? He had zero touchdowns against the Jets. He had eight points today. I think that the problem, part of me still, you know, it's fine. He's killing people, and by people, I mean me. Yeah, I was going to say you.

Craig, you're too close to this. I pulled one over Craig's. I flipped James and Williams to Craig for Jackson, he fucking got a zero points today. James and Wade's. If I had told you, Craig, that the lines would have, but the Lions' Giants game would have a thousand yards.

How many points would you think that James Williams would have had? A thousand yards of James. They're a thousand yards of that game. The only reason I'm not upset is because I got absolutely boat race, so it wouldn't have mattered. But so the brutal. But Lamar, I feel like I keep making excuses here. Part of me, I don't know, the offensive lens not playing that well.

I still think Todd Monk and the office scored his little galaxy brain. But I kind of, I still think it's this part of me thinks it comes down to. He's not healthy. He had the hamstring thing, came back, he'd the knee stort us. I said that. I know, but he keeps taking all these sacks. against the Browns. And he got,

he, taking so many hits. And I forget, I apologize, I forget someone to use, probably Jameson, Henley, the ESPN Ravens reporter, that Lamar's just taken the most hits

in the NFL since 2019, which is funny because he's young. He's younger than Josh Allen. He's younger than Mahomes, but he's taking the most hits. And hits are what age you. And so I kind of think that, he only,

he only, I don't know how many hits he took today, but he only got the one sack. I wonder if he can get through this Bengals game. If he can actually have a two or three weeks stretch where he's not getting the shit kicked out of Well, they play the Steelers after the Bengals. I know, I know, I know.

But I wonder if the 10 days, if he can beat the Bengals, I wonder if that 10 days, that's Steelers game, just in time to kick the Steelers' ass if Lamar will look right in that game. But you're right. Like the Ravens, this game was at halftime seven to three jets at halftime. I mean, they can't do anything. They can't run the ball. Lamar's not running.

The passing game is completely discombobulated. They all, they look like, I know I've used this reference a lot this season, but they look like the space jam. They look like they got, Dekin doesn't know what I'm talking about. They look like they got their power stole. Like Derek Henry, like Lamar, Derek Henry just, it's all, like even in this game, when he's scoring, he's fantasy. He had two touchdowns.

He's doing touchdowns, but it's not impressive. He had one good run. But overall, it wasn't, um, wasn't a very impressive game. Yeah, I think it's a shirt. But you got to keep starting him for tradition's sake. Yeah, you can't bench him. Imagine it's like, you can't bench him. The starts work will continue until morale improves.

Exactly. Intrusive thoughts I think if a quarterback throws a ball Underhanded it should be a fumble You mean if it's incomplete If it hits the ground Tyler Shuck today Just kind of threw a ball underhanded

To get it rid of it And I'm like Why isn't that a fumble? What if you What if you kind of submarine pitch it But it's technically underhand No not sidearm Sidearm looks cool

I'm talking like he fucking threw it Like a cornhole bag To get rid of it like vaguely in the thing Vagely in the direction of like Jawan John And I just was like, that should be a fumble. Yeah, I mean, it goes against the principle of being quarterback and throwing the football. It just feels like there's a lot of rules to protect you.

I'm like, you fucking throw it overhand. Like, it's a bridge too far. It's like the push when they do the false starts. I'm like, fucking throw it. Don't you dare throw it underhand. It's so literally flippant. It bothers me. It's an American.

It's like Rick Berry out here, fucking granny shots. I kind of like that. Like, if you completed, sure, it's a pass. But if you don't. If you don't, it's a fumble. You shouldn't get to just underhand it. Like, even in the homes. Like, you do this shovel pass, that's fine.

Like, that's a throw. Sidearm's a throw. But, anyway. I had an intrusive thought. This is maybe not even that controversial or weird. Like, Jacoby Bressat is going to be the starter for the Cardinals next year. I mean, you're probably right. And Kyler Murray is going to be on the Vikings?

We haven't talked enough about Kyler Murray. He's getting a little dirty. It's a little murky. I'll say it. The report that came out was that Kyler Murray's not expected to return from injured reserve unless Jacoby Preset gets injured, which is another way of saying Kyla Murray is healthy and can play. For sure.

That means he's benched. We haven't talked enough about how Kyler Murray's reaction to being benched was to fucking run away to injured reserve and pretend like he's hurt. And I'm sure he has an actual injury. What? You're saying it was his choice to go to the injured reserve? I don't know what's going on here, but I think the fact that he can't,

I guess it's saving face, but I think the fact that face needs to be saved is in and of itself embarrassing for everyone involved. We're in a very weird time right now with really expensive quarterbacks that you kind of are starting to realize is not the one. You have Kyler Murray, you have Trevor Lawrence,

you could maybe third Jordan love in there. I love Justin Herbert. People would probably like to throw Justin Herbert in there even though I disagree with that. Herbert was playing at a level this season better than Kyle has ever played since he was 20. There are people out there who feel that way. about Herbert. But I'm just saying there are a lot of quarterbacks who make like $50 million

a year that you kind of immediately say you can't win a Super Bowl with that guy. Well, the difference is Kyler. There are, Kyler is a mix of hasn't performed that well, but also has it the worst style of quarterback aging, like nothing ages worse than Kyler's style of play. I know. And there's questions about his character leadership. There's just like horrible there's no way he's starting in the NFL like 34. Let me ask you, who is Kyler Murray starting starting for next year? Minnesota. Jacksonville. I don't think the Raiders?

I pray to God it's not the Steelers. The Raiders might be interesting. No, the Steelers who never take it. I think the Raiders, he's such a raider. He's born to be a raider. Didn't he get drafted by the A's? He might be on the A's, yeah. The A's are no longer.

Neither team is in that city anymore though, Craig. Hold on, wait. They both moved on. The athletics payroll. last year. Oh, dude, it's like... $40 million? 78 million.

Okay. And Kyler makes, what, 50? Probably the son of the A's. I took a good call, DeKalpress. That probably will serve for the Cardinals next year. The Raiders, the Saints need a quarterback.

The Panthers arguably need a quarterback. The Saints. I don't know. We talked about it. The Saints should have... Oh, he's a saint. Yeah. Kellyn Moore has nothing better going on.

You sign Kyler and like, you don't pick a quarterback. You don't take for Nana Mendoz or whatever. You kind of wait for 2027. and Kyler's your bridge. Kyle is like the most overqualified bridge quarterback ever. The only problem is they just don't have any money.

Imagine if you went to the Jets. He would never. Kyler to the Jets. They can't do that. They can't get another running quarterback. No, but also because Aaron Glenn, I think that what the like the lion'sness of it of what they stand for is Kyler is just not.

I can't do, Kyle is better than Fields. Yeah. Yeah, I know. But like you can't literally the lowest part. Even J.G. McCarthy had 80 yards today. Justin Fields really struggled. hit that. Another intrusive thought of, did you see during this Rams Bucks game during the few moments

we ended up watching after it was blocked? They went to all the stuff of Aaron Donald working out and how he's still doing these 160 pound dumbbell girls and he made Jared Verst throw up and try to like lie. Why doesn't Aaron Donald just sign with the Rams? I know. He fucking shows. He lives in Los Angeles. Don't you dare. He lives in Los Angeles. Don't you dare. He is clearly still in shape. We got rid of him. It's fine. He doesn't need to come back. I actually, in a Seahawks fan. I'm like, fuck no. He's only, he's 34. come back. He could do it.

Why did he's, there is, I don't think there's ever been a retired player who has stayed more in shape than Eraddonald. He's making Jared Verse, who's 12 years younger than him vomit. And Jared Verst was like the defensive rookie year. Like,

Darren lives in Los Angeles. The idea that like Von Miller at 35 or whatever after like four knee surgeries is just like, yeah, you know, he just play him like 20 steps a game. It'll be like a close in the playoffs. Why does Aaron Donald not sign with the Rams who still have his rights? I do not like this.

Sign. Play 15 steps. snaps a game on defense to this playoff run and win another Super Bowl and then you're like, make a case as you're the best defender of all time if he wins the second Super Bowl. Like Aaron, like, why would he not just go play with the team? Don't imagine Aaron Donald rotating in a hobbies and stuff. Working out, that's what he's doing. It's true.

It's distracting. It's not like you. It's funny. You're right. It's funny because he was never like bad. He was never one of those players who got bad and they were tired. He had eight sacks his last year. Like, he was always good.

I just got tired of being in the NFL, I guess. He's like, I'm tired of kicking people's asses so much. He should just go, it's two months. It's like, if you're bad. He was an all pro his final season. You know, we always talk about how it's hard for guys to walk away. Aaron Donald unambiguously walked away at the highest level. Like, probably anyone's ever walked away.

And I'm going to watch them on Sunday football. I'm like, you would probably be the Super World VP. Aaron, I'm going to tell you, Aaron, just go pursue your hobbies. Anyway. Any other insurance thoughts? The Rams don't need you right now. This intrusive thought is so insignificant. And if you don't have an opinion on this, that's totally fine because this is so fucking random.

But I think Cavante Turpin is the fastest player in the NFL. I can see that. Dude, he caught one 40-yard pass today on the Cowboys. And I was like, this fucker's faster than A-chan. He's definitely faster than Xavier Worthy. Oh, yeah. And I'm sorry. He was, he looked like Tyreek.

He was so fast. And I'm starting to think the whole, like, fastest player in the league thing. I think it's all a sham. I think it's like, you, like, campaign for it. It's like a PR thing. It's like winning sexy. man alive. It's like, it's not real. You're paying for it. There's like a whole thing going on.

I just think the whole like, oh, Xavier Worthy, fastest guy in the league. Don't buy any of it. It's Kavante Turpin. Well, this is the problem with the 40-yard dash is you get to start from the track position, which, why? Yeah. You should have to start from standing up. And I also have pads on. Right.

And have pads on. But the idea that you get a track start so people who are track or good at, you don't get to do that. You should have to. He was just like, looked fast forwarded today when I watched him. And I was like, this guy, I think actually he's the fastest receiver. And it's funny because he also had the biggest ick of the day, which was Kvante. What happened? Did he take a handout for a screen?

And he just caught the ball and then just tripped, fell forward, and then flipped the ball to a defender on the ground. He just thumped. I didn't say it was coordinated. He's quite fast. Literally just untouched. So fast, no one could touch it. But he's too fast. I'm trying to remember the exact context of it.

But there was a point in time where we were asking each other, what was more embarrassing, Jerry Judy, getting stripped. or getting stripped from behind after kind of jogging around or Cavante. I think it was like, I think he took a hand off and then just dropped the ball or something like that. I can't remember. But it was, it was pretty bad. Also, Craig, Cavante Turbin is 154 pounds. So is Xavier worthy? I'm just saying he's a light guy.

He's like 70 kilograms. You mentioned Jerry Judy, though, the fumble mid-gallop where he just went to do the little, like, he was trotting. and then he did the like try to jump into a jump cut and midair gets fucking caught from behind and fumbles. I maybe people with more professionalism than me they're like, you know, we don't hate players. We just hate where you have to draft him. I fucking hate Jerry June.

I hate him. I hate the way he plays football. I really, there's nothing about how he plays that I like. I hope he's on the Giants next year. He probably will. I would fucking lose my. Hell yes, Craig. Darts going to get hurt. It's going to be fucking Derek Carr at a retirement

thrown to Jerry Judy. I hate Jerry Judy. Also, while we're at it, Kyle Pitts, just again, Drake London out, Kyle Pitts. It's over. It's over for Kyle Pitts. It's over.

He's only 21 years old. It's over. I'm sorry. We were back for like the first month of the season, and it's over. It's over again. At least Darno Mooney did something today. Yeah.

God. Yeah, he did. He talked so much shit about him for the last two weeks. I know. Whatever. I was just like very specific niche. I'm so upset with Darnell Mooney for not. He's like one catch on eight targets. Are you fucking kidding me?

My ick of the week is Joey Porter picked off a pass today in the Steelers game and then immediately started holding the ball out as he was running like George Pickens. You can see this coming from a minute away. All my friends are like, stop running like that. You're going to fumble. And then what happened? He fucking fumbles. And I hate players to do this.

There was literally a point where he did like a crossover, like a bat, like he was driveling a basketball. He like, he was holding the ball like a frigging loaf of bread. Like a Harlem Globe driver. He's like doing dances. He like, it was like Carmelo Anthony in the post. He changed directions. He changed directions and he like did this with the ball. You probably can't save me.

He like, he like did like wave your hands. Like you just don't care with the ball. Yeah, dude. I'm like put it. I hate it. Five points of contact. This, nothing makes me feel like. more like an old crotchety man

than when players do the thing. You know what it bothers me about it? Other than it always leads to fumble. Why do you think you are different? Everyone else in the NFL should hold an eye-up-tight. Like, oh, no, but you can just hold it. You know what else would do this all the time? Plaxieburs would hold the fucking ball.

I've never seen anyone do it before since. He would take the point of the ball put it in his palm. He'd take the other point of the ball and stick it in the crook of his elbow. And he would just run like that. Oh, yeah. And it's like, why? Ball Palmer was Deshawn Jackson used to do this all the fucking time. Yes, yes.

George Pickens will do it a little bit. Odell? Odell? Yeah. And it was, oh, when guys get near and it's like, oh, you put it away. It's all ego. It's like these guys who think they're basketball players or something. I don't even know what it was.

Well, receivers are, but Joey Porter really, that one really bothered me because he'd and also, if they had recovered, that also almost would have been the reason they lost. They did this. But anyway, yeah, good call, Craig. That was a he jig. Play of the day, the James Winston catch for the touchdown. One million percent. Play of the year, probably.

But an honor I mentioned to the Saints defensive back who jumped over Kirk Cudson's trying to sack him, which I just never seen that one before. Just hurdle. I'd never seen a defender hurdle the guy with the ball. Worst play of the day we're given to, is it Jerry Judy or is it Turpin? Or is it Tom Brady for almost saying the N-word. God, that was tough. What a nightmare.

Trying to say Landon Dickerson. He was saying Landon Dickerson. I see what happened because Landon. Of course, I do too. The first name, Landon, like, you hold, like, the end. Landon. Yeah. Dickerson.

Yeah. It's a difficult name to nail. And unfortunately for Brady, he didn't nail it. God. I had that for stadium pulse of the week here, you know. Yeah. And he actually recovered well. He kind of was like, oh.

He kind of laughed. Yeah, he's like, oh, sorry about that. Excuse me, which was fine. That was like the most natural he's ever been on a broadcast. That little moment. It was a weird day for Brady. He just can't. He just doesn't have it.

Like in the biggest moments is when he struggles the most. Like when the game is calm and boring, it's the opposite of who he was as a player. Like when the game is boring, he can kind of like ramble and get into some interesting stuff. But when like a big play happens, like, because he did the Cowboys Eagles game,

the fumble, the Eagles Gibson, Gibson with a P, fielded the punt, fumbled the ball. Huge game tilting play. Kevin Burckhardt is hyped up. He goes,

Gibson! He fumbles it. It's loose. Cowboys recover it. And then it's just, you're waiting. What's he going to? It's five seconds, 10 seconds go by.

And you're like, Brady, say something. And then he goes, what a hit. I'm like, that's what you did? You gave us, what a hit? The sick,

sick irony is you could only be super clutch at one thing specifically in life. You can't be two. He goes, what a hit. Clark and Bell coming over, biting the ball. Craig, that is the soul of the Tom Brady frustration. It's just like, how could you be this good at football and then this bad at fucking

commentating? Well, it's funny, the commercial where he's just like, where the guy wakes up at Tom Brady's football knowledge. And like, in that one, Tom Brady's doing great. Yeah. He's just like, if the safety rotates down, you throw the seam. It's not that hard. I'm like, why don't you do that during the game?

That's a commercial for how you announce, just announced like that. Pivotal moments in the game, he goes, all that four. knocks it out. Like, what? I am just so con... All that force? Yeah, yeah, we're playing football. What are you talking about?

Who do you think? Who's got the belt right now, Craig? Is it Greg Olson? Olson's the best announcer. Olson has the best analysis. I still think... I still think Collinsworth and Akeman I enjoy the most. Collinsworth is, well, his 500th game tonight.

Collins... I like Collinsworth. I like Collinsworth, people think he's super... I think Collinsworth's good. Also, just the production of Sunday football is just really good. Like, it's the... the most watched for me. Collinsworth is the most entertaining. Collinsworth understands that this is like a product

and does a good job to entertain you and be a little silly. Greg Olson is like, I want to make you smarter. I want to show people that I know what I'm talking about. Olson and Colonsworth and Akeman are like a little bit older. They don't really care as much. They kind of shoot from the hip a little more. But Aikman is negative and Collinsworth is positive.

Yeah, Akeman is cool because when he, when he just, he will just eventually reach a point where he'll just say what he thinks and just be like, I don't like these people. And I will say, as much as I don't like Brady, I would take Brady a heartbeat over Al Michaels and Kirk. Al Michael, oh, they're the worst. They're the whole.

Al Michaels is too old and Kirk has too many jobs. I mean, look at him. Kirk Herbstry announcing Thursday Night Football, it's literally his third priority every single week. And he sounds completely different when you watch him do a college game. College game, dude, the joke is... Because he likes college. Yeah.

Thursday Night Football is like his LinkedIn. He's like, how much are you going to pay me to do this NFL thing? Okay. It's like college game day is like his fucking Instagram. It's his Finster. and the Thursdays him on LinkedIn. He's just like, hello. If they're like, Craig, you have to host the Law and Order Prestige TV podcast

and also the Entourage Prestige TV podcast. I wonder which one I'd be more excited for him better at. Yeah. I feel like Al Michaels is, he's in the zone now of Clint Eastwood, where he was really old back in like the 1970s. Now he's like post old. Like, how old are you now? You were really old 40 years ago.

Meanwhile, Al Michaels is probably like, So they give me this guy. He brings his fucking dog everywhere. And then he flies to do this pregame thing on Saturday. Al Michael, oh my God. Al Michaels is 81. I thought he was older. We had this exact exchange last week for the batheum.

Did we say how old he was? That was word for word. I think I said, how old do you think Al Michaels is? And then you guys guess like 85. And I was like, yeah, fuck. I actually have legitimate memory of loss, I think. Half out Michael's age. I know how Michaels can flawlessly recall some game he calls in the 70s.

I should be the one fucking talking about Al Michaels. He has better memory than me. Okay. Any of the ref stuff that Bob did you guys or anything? I enjoyed there was that really tricky play in the Jags Cardinals game where there was like the punt that like the Cardinals guy tried to hold it down to the one yard. He like did the thing where you jump into the end zone to prevent the touchback through the ball back, whatever. It was like a very complicated play.

This was interesting. And the ref came on Mike to explain the situation. and he said, he started with, I've never heard a rep do this, he started with, okay, so. Here's the deal. I thought that's really like natural and authentic. So, yeah, hold on. What happened was, I thought this was interesting too, basically. It's honestly not that interesting, but.

Well, the kicking, the kicking team. It's really interesting. So when you, the receiving team touches the ball. You fucking let Hyphists talk about kicking every week. Let me talk about this one thing, okay? So the kicking team, the Cardinals, it was the Cardinals? Yeah. The guy jumped into the end zone, batted the ball back in,

and then Parker Washington, the punt returner, grabbed the ball. And from that point on, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. That's the beauty of this. Well, he grabbed the ball from like two, ran backwards into the end zone, got tackled.

And all the defenders, all the cardinals were like, safety, safety. Well, not only that, all the refs. There was like four reps who did the safety thing. They all got a wrong.

The beauty of it is that was like totally illegal by Parker Washington. It's like, I can just do whatever the fuck I want here. Once they touch the ball, it's the perch. It's the punt version of like when a quarterback gets a guy. to draw off sides and then it's a free it's a free play yeah yeah yeah that's not as boring as kicking no i guess that's right no yes i just like the rest going okay so okay so here's here's the deal

uh fucking evan mcpherson we lost the football heaven mcpherson it's 61 yard field goal today that would be good from 75 but yeah no uh that's i'm actually dead inside about field goals i don't know what it's going to take i i brad and arborricks missed a 51 yard and they were shocked and i'm like yeah, that's usually how it works. The field goal thing, I think 75 will get me my blood going. Lucille Bluthy, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it a word. I don't have a

stat. I think instead I'm just going to have a press conference. I just watched the, you know, the Mamdani visit with Trump of the White House was watching this. And I'm like, I don't understand what the fuck's going on here. I don't know. I watched it 10 times. I'm like, oh, this is just shocking 10 ways to Sunday. We're so close to like, is this AI? This has to be, right? I'm yes

I was like this isn't real when Trump's like complimenting Mondani and then he's like do you think he's a fascist and Trump's like just say yes it's easier it's easier just say yes come on mom dine's like okay yeah I guess

I don't understand it won't respond to tight ends two outskirts Kyle Pitts and a lie okay Josiah Deguara surely What team is Josiah on these days

should I tell you? I don't know is he in the league Charlie Werner Ian Thomas God Ian Thomas Josiah DeGuara Charlie Warner

He's obviously not you're going to buy I did not know he was still in the NFL Yeah I don't know I'm going to go with Who did not outscore Kyle Pitts among this crew Ian Thomas DK

Charlie Warner This is delightful So both those men did outskirts Cow Pits. Fucking hell. Ian Thomas is on the Raiders. I didn't even know that. So Brock Bowers and Michael Mayer played today,

and Ian Thomas, a tight end of the Raiders outscored Kyle Pitts. Not only that. Charlie Warner is on the Falcons. You've got damn right, D.K. Charlie Werner. Same team as Kyle Pitts. Cal Pitts. Yeah.

Josiah DeGuaro did not. He's on the Cardinals. He did not outscore Cal Pitts. Kyle Pitts today. Just I had a luxurious line of two catches for 25 yards. Drake London, not playing. Falcons won. Falcons beat the Saints.

Kyle Pitts. We'll have to have to have it. We should just have during the draft show. We should have like a giant debrief and all these fucking players who suck that we said we'd be good and be like, what do we learn? I mean, we haven't put them in the burn book yet this year.

I mean, we could put them in the burn. There's two people for the burn book. I got to go. Okay, okay. Well, I think Kyle Pitts, who's being played? Who else are you thinking about? Perhaps I'm getting a little hasty,

but I think Lamar Jackson has been bad for a month and is probably ruining people's chances is at making the playoffs. Just want to throw that out there. The second guy I'd like to nominate is Roma Dunesay, who... Woma Dunezee. Woma Dunezee.

Woma Dunesay has over double-digit points twice in the last seven weeks and has been straight... He's been the wide receiver 49 since week six. He's been terrible. He also has like kind of a lot of drops. He literally had a zero two weeks ago. But he's had spike weeks though, but because like... He has not.

Tell me about them. It's 17 points three weeks ago. That's a spike week? That's like what he was projected probably. Okay, well, I hear what you're saying. 4-14-0-17-5-6? I'm not against it. I'm not against it.

Can I throw out one other person if we're going to be aggressive? Someone we have not talked about this season enough. In the last three weeks, Darnell Mooney has more fantasy points than Justin Jefferson. Oh, is that right? That is correct. Last three weeks, Justin Jefferson is the 42nd receiver in fantasy football and downstream of these

J.J. McCarthy numbers. Justin Jefferson is, he is not unplayable, but he is unambiguously not what you did, not what you wanted when you drafted Justin Jefferson in your first round. And Jefferson, like he started all right, but dude, again,

last three weeks, five points, eight points, seven points from Justin Jefferson. And I think the quite, like, you're playing Seattle next week. He's the pinnipede me of the burn book. cannot bench Justin Jefferson. We will never tell you to bench Justin Jefferson. But in your soul of souls, you kind of know you probably should not play

Justin Jefferson next week against Seattle. I think that's the epitome of the bird book. But you have to play him and you will lose your season in your week because of him. Yeah, I mean, he's basically been like Michael Pittman this year. Michael Pittman's been objectively better. I think Pittman's been way better. But like just in terms of kind of like what you expect out of him,

he gets you like 60 yards a game. But the problem is that he violates our rule for years now. which is when Justin Jefferson catches a pass, it feels like a miracle. With that said, over the last six weeks, Justin Jefferson,

Roma Dunezai, wide receiver 49, Justin Jefferson, wide receiver 27. But I understand that you took him in the first round. That's the thing. O'Donze was like your seventh pick.

Justin Jefferson was seventh overall. I'm not saying we have to burn Jefferson, but we don't have to, because again, if Jefferson's bad next week, we can do that again. I just wanted to throw his name out there. Is it like the spirit of the burn book?

maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. You guys correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not to punish people whose quarterback sucks. You know what I mean? Like, it's not Justin Jefferson's fault. We just got done talking about

JJ McCarthy as like all-time terrible draft bust stats. Poor Justin Jefferson, I feel like is a good dude and like works really hard and he's usually very complimentary and supportive of his teammates and his quarterback.

And like he can't help him. Like, you just see it. He's behind Kimmer Dike the last month. Yeah. Who that guy, the way, like, I feel like can't stop scoring. Every time I fucking look up.

Dude, you had two touchdowns today. But yeah, Justin Jefferson, like, he can't help but have bad body language now. It's behind Jalen Naylor, who's on the Vikings. I'm fine with either of these D.K., you can pick. I don't care. They're both good. Who are the Bears playing next week again?

Was that matter? I don't know. I'm stalling. Stalling. I think we've played the Eagles. I think we burned a dunes day. Okay. But, you know what? You know what's funny because the point

he had the zero points and then his dad had to bitch about him not getting the ball and I just keep thinking about the succession meme of every time my Dundza doesn't get the thing. It's like the first step of succession. It's like, you want me to call your dad? No, I, you don't call my dad. It's also like everyone else is starting to do like Loveland's starting to become

a thing. DJ Moore had a good week. Luther Burden Burden is more involved and I'm like, Romo Dunez day's now just like another one of them. Now they're just like the Packers. You don't know which one's going to show off. We can burn it. They really are, Craig. It sucks. Okay. All right. You don't even know what running back to start now.

All right. So Burnbook now. Week one is Jalen Waddle. Week two is Mark Andrews. Week three is Isaiah Pacheco. Week four is Calvin Ridley. Week five is Trivia and Henderson. Week six is Tony Pollard.

Week seven, Justin Fields. Week eight, Alvin Camara. Week nine, Bill Merritt. Week 10, DJ Moore. That really came around today. Week 11, A.J. Brown, resurrected those two. And week, week 12, Romod Dunez. No.

A.J. Brown going off this week is why he is the perfect burn book person. Yeah, exactly. Because he will now kill him. kill you next week. All right. I think that's all we got. Email us waiver. Email us trivia questions.

Email us. Fantasy courts. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Austin.

Thank you, everyone for listening. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, daft punk. Fuck yeah. Sick. I think they perfected fame. I feel like they, that is like the person. To make, like, actually sick,

like, really, like, it creates. popular music that was actually experimental and trying new stuff that was crazy popular but if those guys were behind me in line in Starbucks I have no fucking idea what they look like and people who have probably like gotten married and dance their dance to their songs at their weddings have nobody knows what they fucking look like and I feel like that's perfect I mean isn't that just DJs in general most of the time it's a great life yeah it is I've talked about this with my friend it's like the perfect life because your face isn't that famous where you're going to get

hounded. You make a ton of money. Once you kind of, like, I'm not, I don't want to say being a DJ is not hard because it obviously is, but like once you kind of, you kind of know you kind of know marshmallow is crushing it. Marshmallow. Like all your job is like, oh, I just go to parties and play music and everybody dances. And I'm just like behind. That's pretty sick. It's like the coolest job in the world. The chain smokers are living the fucking dream. I have a friend, shut up, Brandon, if he's listening, who basically ended up. You know, those colleagues. boards that do their little concerts or whatever. And, like, you know, actually I had students ahead of it.

And I have a friend who, long story short, a wealthy or a wealthy person who was at the school, their dad was like ahead of some company. And the girl wanted Avichy to come. So they flew, they figured, he paid and they flew Avichy to this very small college in the middle of nowhere. I think you told me that's unbelievable. And they had him in, and they, my friend told me that Avichi showed up. And they had to do this ride.

And they had to chart him a plane back to Vegas to make his thing. And they showed me, Vichieci. showed up, took a USB drive, fucking plugged it in, sat there for an hour and he was like, and it was the greatest hour of our entire life. He fucking went home. Flew back to Vegas. Yeah, man, what a life. I get why people want to be DJs.

Well, he did step up into like 10 minutes and then he just re-imixed Paris by Jay-Z like seven times and around. You have your set and you just like fuck around and improvise and, you know, party all night. Can you imagine being like marshmallow and you just wear your stupid little fucking hat?

And, like, you just get paid, I don't know. You probably don't even have to do that anymore. Someone else shows up as marshmallow and you do. Would you really rather be a DJ than in a band? Like, play, like, fucking shred a guitar in front of a million people? No, I would rather be in a band. Yeah, same. Being in a band's cooler, but the...

I just think it'd be more fun. Yeah, I think so. It's more fun to be in a band. But once you've made the DJ stuff... It's easy. Yeah, maybe not easier. I don't know. Like, all you, you just go to, like, clubs and hit...

play and party. I'm sure DJ's going to be listening. All the DJs is listening. Fuck you. That's what he said. Avichi just did. He said that.

It's true. If you're a DJ and you want to email us or ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. I don't actually know what it takes to be a DJ. I'm sure it's very hard. Very hard. You have to be really creative and savvy and all that stuff. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not easy. No, of course not. But it's probably easier than being like Mick Jagger. Who was also old or really? long time ago. You know. Yeah, I agree. Do you guys listen to DJs? I feel like I listen to way more ADM than you guys. I like I don't. I like it like for working out running, you know, at a bar. I feel like I'm leaving that era a little bit, but I love DDM. The only thing, the only thing I've

listened to that remotely resembles that is like girl talk stuff like mashups. Oh yeah. I don't like seek out DJ. I'm not like, oh, I want to put on this DJ right now. I don't really do that anymore or don't have like new DJs I'm discovering or anything like that I like a drop I don't either but my friends do and so I live I I am I get good music for my friends who are still deep in the fucking the trenches of crazy because they got crazy shit now yeah crazy stuff there's a there's a few songs that's so like I could like fucking run a marathon at a five minute pace to like do you know opus by Eric Prides dude I could fucking lift up a truck to that song it's like a three minute and 45 second build up before the drop and it's just

crescendo song if you will you'll levitate yeah so Fred again Chris Lake certain people kind of I went to a Chris Lake concert in Denver with some friends and this guy showed up was like hello and then he just played the fucking thing and he didn't say a word

and then he was like thank you and he left and he had a great time he'd say what a fucking word I was like I love this guy yeah that's awesome great life only problems I know what he looks like otherwise he'd be doing great goodbye everyone Must be 21 plus in present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus in present in D.C., Kentucky, or Wyoming.

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