The Ringer NFL Show - Week 12 Winners, Losers, and the Mike White Resurrection

Episode Date: November 27, 2022

We recap Week 12 by giving out awards for the biggest winners and losers of the weekend, we break down Josh Jacobs legendary day and RB1 campaign, give out the Trading Places Award to Mike White and Zach Wilson, discuss the Russell Wilson disaster, figure out the most fraudulent team in the AFC, say how proud we are Trevor Lawrence, and induct our next player into the 2022 Fantasy Burn Book. Check out our Weekly Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My name is Danny Hifatai. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. Sunday of Week 12 is over. It is time to give out some awards. First up, Sunday football just ended. Eagles, like, dominated the Packers, and then Roger's got hurt, and Jordan Love looked really good.

D.K. Yes. Do you think people are being dramatic about whether Rogers is going to play again for the Packers? Do you think Rogers is not going to play again for the Packers? I mean, I think there's at least a solid chance that this is the last season of Rogers in a Packers uniform. Number one, he has a thumb injury that he's been battling all year.

Number two, he suffered a ribs slash maybe oblique injury in this game, had to leave early. Number three, and probably most important here is the Packers are now four and eight. And Jordan Love looked kind of good in relief. Obviously, that's like the insane small sample size, but he didn't look like it was too big for him. You know, he's coming off of a very, very strong preseason, all this stuff. Like there's a lot of momentum kind of going forward for Jordan Love kind of taking over at some point here for the Packers. And obviously I don't think Aaron Rogers is going to be around after this year. Like I think the Packers are making that assumption.

Aaron Rogers is probably assuming that. So why keep Rollin Rogers out there hurt if they can kind of get like a head start on the Jordan Love era? What do you think? Oh, it's his theory that Aaron Rogers should end up on the Jets made a lot of sense until Mike White came in today and made it rain. So I'm not sure whether there's a team for Rogers anymore. To bet, yeah, Mike White Lotus, just out of here killing Rogers. But I think the Rogers, the extension he's signed, I think kind of hid the fact that he can totally get traded this offseason. Like it's doable.

Like it totally can happen. So if Rogers wants to keep playing football and the Packers are like, we kind of want to see Jordan Love. I do think there's a world where Rogers sits out knowing he'll come back or maybe doesn't know, but he wants to see. But if he doesn't want to go out like this and the Packers do want to see their future, they can just have Jordan Love next year, trade Rogers. And I think the dead cap hit is the same if he retires. So like, I don't know what's going to happen. and maybe Rogers plays next week, but you could also convince me

that Jordan Love healthy is better than Rogers with his broken thumb and this injury. Like I think Rogers is probably better that he is. He's not done,

but he's diminished a lot. It's similar, but not even, it's not the same clearly because Rogers is coming off to MVP seasons, but there is, I think,

some similarity in the sense that like Jordan Love comes in and runs the offense that they're wanting to run and, like, runs the plays that they want to run, whereas Rogers is kind of more like a freelancer, you know,

out of structure kind of guy. Like, that's been the, He's not healthy. For a while, right. Plus, he's not healthy. You know, it doesn't have a ton of chemistry with these receivers. Christian Watson, by the way.

He's looking good. I know. Can I toss out a landing spot for Rogers that I think would be hilarious? Please do. The Tampa Bay Bucks. Oh, my God. But they're like the same team, though, because they both, I mean, the Bucks have a better defensive today, but like they both, I mean, the Bucks just have better receivers.

But neither those teams can run the ball, it feels like. I don't know. I guess the Bucks. What about the 49ers? No. No, because the Packers wouldn't. This is why it did the Jets. To briefly go over this, he has to go out of the conference.

It's the same thing as when the Packers traded Brett Favre to the Jets. It was like they wrote in his con, like they wrote in all the deals that they couldn't trade him to the Vikings. That was how badly they wanted him in the division. There's no way the Packers are trading him to the 49ers. Never mind if Rogers wanted to go to the 49ers. He has to go to the AFC. How many FC teams make sense?

All the AFC teams either have a quarterback and don't need Rogers or suck so bad Rogers would rather retire. The only teams that are in the middle are like the Jets, the Raiders and the Titans. Of those three, if you're in Rogers, where do you want to go? Yeah. I mean, yeah. If you come with the fourth team, let me know. Every other team either is set or sucks.

And they got to trade me. I can't see him going to the Raiders. The man is from Chico, California. Go back home. Fonte Adams is going to be like, what the fuck, man. That's the thing. Are the Packers going to go to the Raiders and be like, so what if, you know, we just do this again?

Like, what do they do? In reality, the biggest mistake was that the trade deadline, the Raiders and the Packers should have just undone the Devante Adams trade. That would have probably helped. We'll take backs. Speaking of the Raiders. First award here, it's the Just Take the L man award. And it's going to be because I didn't like Josh Jacobs this year.

And I'm sorry to everybody because it turns out he's the best running back in fantasy football. Yeah, I think he's like the consensus pick for the best fantasy football running back and perhaps the best real life running back in the league right now. Certainly this year's production, I think he could make that argument. The way he's playing, the way, like, he's well-rounded. He can factor it in the passing game. He's obviously very explosive in the run game. He breaks a ton of tackles, yards after they catch yards after contact, all that stuff.

I don't know if I'd put him at the top as like the number one running back, but he's certainly like in that top tier right now. I don't know, man. He's the only guy in the league averaging over 100 yards per game and the team's three and eight. Well, I mean, you can argue, you know, he's literally the number one running back in half PPR. He is. Yeah. Like this season.

Contract year. What does this mean for an extra? year. Oh, they have to sign him. Instead of contract year guys, we should just put like steroid guys. That would just, you know what? You know what's crazy about Jacobs is that he was drafted so late. His ADP, he was the 50th player taken in fantasy football this year on average 50th.

He was the 22nd running back taken. I just went back and looked at the last 10 years and looked at like which guys finished as the overall RB1 and where they were drafted. Pretty much the only time I could find where a running back was taken outside the top 30, Outside the first two rounds and finished as the overall RB1 was in 2015. Can you remember who did it? Came out of fucking nowhere. No, not David Johnson.

He was a high pick in 2016. Because Aaron Foster also came out of nowhere. But that was before that. It was Devante Freeman. Ooh. 2015, he was the RB1. He was past 100th in ADP. But Josh Jacobs, this is like, this does not happen.

What he's doing is extremely rare. We are very rarely this incorrect. On that note about rareness. So today, Josh Jacobs had 33 carries for 229 yards. He also had six catches for 74 yards. So he had, this is crazy. He had over 300 yards from scrimmage, which. Crazy.

For all the, he's only 11th player in NFL history to do that. And I'm talking like post-World War II NFL history. There's only three running backs that have even done that, I think, in the Super Bowl era, 300 yards from scrimmage in a game. I mean, it's just priest Holmes, Adrian Peterson, and like Josh Jacobs to do that. I look, obviously this is, I mean, he's like the fantasy football player of the first, of the first two thirds of the season. So apologies that I was down on him.

But I think what's crazy is he only had 30 fantasy points in his life once in his first three seasons. He's done that like three times since October began. Like four of the best six games of Josh Jacobs's career are like in the last six weeks. You mentioned those guys that he outscored or that he outgained being one of 11 people to over 300 yards. I just wanted to point out, I went and looked at that list.

The guy below him now, so Josh Jacobs at 304 yards. The guy he just eclipsed, who had 303 yards in the game's name is Cloyce Box. And he did it in 1964. Can you say that again? Is Jim Benton and Cloice Box. Do you know that's my middle name?

Clois. Danny Cloyceifitz. I just want to toss that out. He was born in 1923, Cloyce. whatever happened to Cloyce How many Who were we talking We were talking about

Oh when the Colts often square Not parks Park Frazier We're like how many park People are like named Park How many Cloyses were How many kids were named Cloice last year He's a two-time NFL champ

Cloyce That is an all-time name I gotta tell you Love that Coice Box and it's not a nickname Nothing that's his name Here's the thing If Josh Jacobs

If Josh Jacobs were named Cloice Jacobs We all would have had him As a top player So true That's the problem Josh Jacobs said a boring name.

Nym is just a little too boring. The alliteration helps a little bit, but it's a little too boring. It gets like, the alliteration takes it to like a four to ten. So yeah, Josh Jacobs. Best running back and shout out,

Cloys Jacobs. We'll rename him that and that'll get respect now. Just to add to this little Jacobs thing, I want to say it is important here for the rest of the year. Not only obviously are we playing Josh Jacobs and he's going to be like the MVP of the season.

The Seahawks, Mario Kart, rainbow strip defense is like back. The Seahawks defense turned back into a pumpkin. They suck. I gotta tell you. You're just such a nihilist for the Seahawks. D.K. is such a victim of the moment. You are, you really

are with the Seahawks. Even more so than me with the Giants. Well, that's partly true. But also, they were not good last week either. So it's not like, I'm just basing it on one game. We were on the phone earlier and he's like, can we talk about how the Seahawks suck now? We're like, dude, they're six and five with Gino Smith. They're like still in a playoff hunt. I just

want to talk about how Hope sucks. I don't think the Seahawks suck. The concept of having hope in your team sucks is what I is what I really want to say here. In Shawshank Redd the main character, Andy, he's like, you know, Red, hope can be a good thing, maybe the best of things.

Well, that's fucking bullshit is what I say. Hope sucks. They suck me in. I came into this year completely free from any expectation. I've never been happier watching games. I don't give a fuck who wins or loses. It's just fun to see your players play in, whatever.

It's just like, I had no expectations. And then halfway through the year, I'm like, holy shit, they could win the NFC West. they could go to the playoffs. They could run the table. They could go to the Super Bowl. The NFC is wide open. And I fucking, like, they suck me back in.

They're like, they're like maybe going to go to playoffs. They're not very good. Let's be honest. I have so many thoughts. I'm so confused. So in your perfect world, the Seahawks go three and 14 every year? What do you want? In my perfect world, I don't have any stress ever.

I'm like Ryan Gosling in a notebook. I'm like, what do you want? Fuck that. D.K., you're in the perfect world. You've outsourced the other. team the Broncos are going to go 3 and 14 for you give you a top five pick and you're going to make the playoffs. Check

your privilege. You're playing with house money right now. You don't mean people listening for a team whose team just sucks and also like is it good or like the Broncos you just made one of the five. I don't care about them. I care about me guys. You're going to make the playoffs

and also my giant dude. Literally there are all right I can't you're such a nihilist. There are only this is an understaking part of this season. There are seven teams that make the playoffs in each conference.

There are only eight teams in the NFC playoff picture. It's literally the entire NFC East is four. It's the Vikings are going to win the North and then you've got

the Seahawks and the Niners in the West and then whoever wins the South and it's like the Seahawks will just bump out the last team in the East. That's it.

Like that's the playoffs. I just am imagining the Lions fan on a walk right now just cursing D.K. How about a Rams fan? Like, at least they won the But it's like the Rams are three and whatever

But they just, they don't even have their pick Just what the fucking Super Bowl Who gives a fuck about them? Okay, but like you realize that the Seahawks are Like your one game out of the playoffs So the Giants play Washington twice Actually, we can negotiate with him Because he's clearly just like, no, it's not logical

Obviously none of this is fucking logical I'm being a fan. I wanted one year off of like the weight of overwhelming expectation. I just didn't want to have to deal with the stress. Me too, but I'm not here bitching that the Giants are good. You're just, you're out here like trying to reverse jinx them every fucking day. That's what you're doing. Yeah, because I care. You know why? Because they have their own draft pick.

And every time they win, they can't replace the quarter. You can do whatever you want. I want to share with the, I want to share with the podcast listeners here how much Haifitz does care. He really does care. I will 100% back that up. We were watching him live, uh, in a game. He has all these little like idiosyncrasies and superstitions. He's getting up like 10 times during game to like do this other random stuff like adjust his position. I'm superstitious. Can people email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com like the superstitions they do?

I'm not going to lie, we went and watched games with Bill. I think the craziest thing is that Bill Simmons has zero superstitions watching the Patriots. I thought everyone would understand that, yeah, you do weird stuff to help your team win. People thought I was nuts. Also, I'll have you know, I made a little accent with my foot in front of the TV and Justin Tucker missed the kick. I think the reason why you have a lot of superstitions and Bill doesn't is because you had two Super Bowls at your favorite team won when you were like in your teen, and Bill had to suffer through every team he's ever liked sucking until he was like 40 years old. That's why he doesn't have any superstitions.

It was a full-flict adult. Yeah, there's no like part. Yeah, the part of your brain that accepts magic is like hard, you know, hardwired shut. I think it's hard to develop superstitions in your 40s. I think that starts when you're a kid. Please email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you have the superstitions when you watch. Also check, feel free to check D. D.K.'s privilege about how your teams are at worse.

I know that it doesn't make any sense. I don't care. All right, well. Anyway. Hope. Hope's the worst of things. It's the lack of hope that kills you. I've been watching the thing about Ted Lassau of the Wolfguff. Anyway.

That shows mid. Next to word here. Don't. We're not. There was a great hottest take about it. I was not on it. I was not on it. That was a horrible episode.

Oh, it was great. It's a hot take. It's not called most reasonable take. It's called hottest take. All these backup quarterbacks that were playing today, I felt like the same way I feel when you go to the bar in your local town on like the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. And you see all these people from high school. And you're like, oh my God, Trevor? Trevor Simeon?

Is that you? I forgot about you. Wow. How's it been like Trevor Simeon. Kyle Allen, Sam Darnold. Man. Holy shit. What are you been up to, man?

Yeah. I heard Nathan Peterman's coming. Really? No, no, he's not coming. Okay. He didn't show up. He didn't show. Sam.

Sam, so you're Carolina now? Wow. I forgot that. And it's like, and then you talk for 15 minutes, you see these guys and you're like, oh, you know what? This is great. It's good time. And then like a couple hours in, you're like, I see why I don't.

I'm good. I'm good. I like my life. I like my new life now. I'll just continue following you on Instagram and that's it. Yeah, exactly. Well, we need the word. Craig, you said this really.

We need the word for the people you follow on Instagram, but like that's it. Yeah, it's like the lowest level of a connection that human beings have now that didn't exist before where there's people that you will follow on Instagram, likely for the rest of rest of your human life that you went to high school with. Human life. You will never see them again. You have no interest in ever talking to them. You don't care about anything.

You avoid them. You will follow them. The plague if you saw them in real life. Yeah, you'll be 75 years old and you'll be like, oh, Brian had a granddaughter. Okay. Yeah, what's slower than like acquaintance? It's some new category of relationship. No, we should just repurpose the word acquaintance for like social.

Because I don't know what acquaintance means. in real life. But social media, it's like, I get immediately what an acquaintance is. Acquaintance is what the three of us were when the pod started four years ago. Wow. Right? Sorry. Is that a rude?

Co-workers. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, they already had a word for that. Anyway, the one guy at the bar who you're like, oh, we should catch up and, like, get a drink. But you actually made it was Mike White. Because you went on the Wednesday for Thanksgiving. You're like, Mike White is awesome.

Why didn't we hang out more in high school? I know. He just like went different ways. We were in different circles. A quiet kid in the back of English class. He just never talked. Like, damn, that kid was cool. Man, he's funny.

I like this guy. We should hang out. Let's go, like, shoot guns. Let's go shoot guns tomorrow together. I had that happen to me one time at a bar. What do you mean that, like, happened to you? This is, like, my version of, like, the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. I ran into a buddy from high school.

And we, like, had a great time or drinking. He's like, hey, dude, I, let's go shoot guns tomorrow. I'm going to go shoot guns in the morning. You want to come? I was like, hell yeah. That sounds awesome. And then I never did and I haven't seen him since. And I like him.

He's a good guy. But like that was the extent of the, you know. Do you think he's listening right now? I mean, hello, if you are. Sorry, I didn't come shoot guns. What kind of guns? I was way too hung over. Where were you going to shoot?

Like at a quarry. I don't know. I don't remember. Not a shooting range, you're saying. Well, like somewhere, I think reasonably legal. I don't know. To me honest, I don't know. To me honest, I don't know.

Because I never did it. We just never did that. Anyway, Mike White, freaking, as Craig said, making it rain out there. You can put the ball wherever he wants. Mike White had more passing yards in the first half

by a Jets quarterback since Mike White's debut last year when he did it before. The Mike White versus Zach Wilson thing, and just generally speaking, every other quarterback the Jets have trotted out during the Zach Wilson era

versus Zach Wilson is astounding. Truly astounding. I saw the staff from Scott Barrett. Basically, in the games, in passing yards per game, when Zach Wilson is out, the Jets' offense is essentially like the best offense in the NFL. And when Zach Wilson is in, it's the worst offense in the NFL, second worst offense only to the bears in that type frame. So basically, again, to reiterate, when either Joe Flacco or Mike White is passing, this is by passing yard. So it's not necessarily. Because they're probably getting killed in most of those games is a lot of garbage time.

But let's not be totally like fake about this. It's bypassing yards. You know what it's always sunny when they're telling D and they're like a monkey could do your job. And then they replace D with a monkey. Like that's the face of Zach Wilson. Like anyone else when anyone else does your job, literally Josh Johnson, Mike White off the street, they're like two and a half times better. He was the second pick. He was the second overall pick.

Non-Zack Wilson Jets average more passing yards than Patrick Bollams and the Chiefs. Tom Brady in the box. Justin Herbert, Josh Allen. Can I read you some Mike White stats that I found? Please do. Mike White has one fewer passing touchdowns than Zach Wilson this season. Mike White has more 300-yard passing games in his career than Zach Wilson does. Wow.

How many games is Mike White started now? Like four? Like four? Zach Wilson is 20. On that note, Mike White is the first quarterback in NFL history to have multiple games with at least a 75% completion percentage, 300 passing yards, to three touchdowns in his first four career starts. First ever.

Wow. So he's actually maybe good. Don't you guys feel like a lot of these guys who come in, a lot of these backups who start random one-off games? The first game, they're always good. And then like game two, three, and four, they kind of start to teeter off. Well, yeah, that's because people start having tape on him.

We had this argument last year and Mike White came in and we were like, Mike White's second coming, because he's going to suck. And it's like, you never get to follow up. You never get Mike White again. And the funniest part of this is they just, did it again. And like, I can't stress it. I know some of these stats are like whatever, but like, Warren's sharp at this,

Mike White's yards per attempt and EPA per play today. We're better than any game of Zach Wilson's entire career. And Mike White's passer rating was the best that Jets quarterback has had since 2014. That's nuts. But this is like legitimately incredible. Hi Fitz. I didn't say that Mike White was going to suck. I just said they have to go back to they have to go back to Zach Wilson because

they have to see what they have in him. And that was the argument. This was last year. This year now, it's completely different. Like, Zach Wilson, for all, like, we know, is done in New York. Like, maybe his career's not over, but he might be done in New York. I think that before this game today, I was like, Zach Wilson's going to play again at some point this year. He's not starting next week.

He's not starting. The thing that's important, remember, the bears suck. And the bears are probably a bottom five defense right now. So he's not this good. However, again, best passer rating for the Jets in eight years. And I guess what's funny is this is a theme. where it's like, it's kind of what you're saying about Jordan Love and the Packers, Gino Smith and the Seahawks, where it's like, just run the offense, man.

Yeah. Like, just do what the play is. Just all the rest of the way. Like legit, I had Jets fans text to me today. He's like, is Mike White good? I'm like, I don't know, but here's the deal. He like runs the plays that they call. You know what he does what his boss is telling to do.

He gives the ball to the good guy. Like, he gives the ball to Gary Wilson. He gives the ball to Elijah Moore a couple times in this game. Elijah Moore scored a touchdown for the first time and it seems like forever. He distributes the football. He facilitates. taste the offense. I don't know if he's a type of guy that is actually going to, like, carry and elevate an

offense against a good defense. I don't know if he has that skill set. But, like, you could do a lot worse than a guy who's like a point card in an offense. Like, I think Robert Sala said it after the game. He's like, he made easy look easy. That is exactly what you're looking for. Zach Wilson was making easy look really hard. You know what I mean?

And also, yeah, I mean, he's missing screens. But then all the players you mentioned, look, magically, all the players that the Jets had skill players that were dead are just resurrected now. he's like the necromancer it's like Mike Mike White completed the Jets had 11 skill players who were active he got the he completed a pass to 10 of them amazing how to look at all these receivers who've been mad for months is like just give him the ball look how happy they are they were chanting after the game they were like free eat like Elijah Moore free E is free oh my god you can tell from like the post game pressers from like especially like Garrett Wilson just so happy that that that white

is starting now just because he gets the football like they're on time they're playing on time. Everything is working better in that offense. So yeah, man, he might actually be like, I don't know, I don't even want to say it. Will he be the long-term starter in New York? No. Okay. He's definitely the short-term starter.

Definitely. All right, next award here. DK. Yeah, the every stat I see is somehow worse than the last one I saw award. Goes to the Broncos and Russell Wilson. Like, it just keeps getting worse. I keep at some point you feel like it's going to turn around.

Russell Wilson is going to kind of like figure it out. The offense is going to get a little bit healthier, more in sync. I don't know what. This offense just seemingly keeps getting worse every single week. They went out and lost to the Panthers. 23 to 10. They scored 10 points.

So that puts them on the year at 14.3 points per game this season, which is the worst. I saw this from field eights. Worst of any team in the NFL since the 2000 Browns. So 22 years if they like continue at this rate. basically, and I look back of this because in Russell Wilson, obviously, played with this team, Peak Legion of Boom

in 2013, led to NFL. They gave up 14.6 points per game. It's like the Broncos are playing one of the best defenses of all time every single week this year. You love that Legion of Boom stat. Well, because it's just like, I don't know, to me, it puts it in perspective,

the fact that like the way, how bad their offense has been is like they're playing one of the best defenses ever every week. I was going through this. First of all, we need a memento tattoo to remember for next year. We need to get tattooed. It can always get worse. Like, we need to, every time our logic for something, it can't get worse.

In the world. Worst day of your life so far. Fantasy football, Russell Wilson, democracy. It can always get worse. Yeah. But by points per game, as DK reminded me a lot last year, Renew for the Giants. The point of football really is to score points. Yeah.

Yeah. We can overlook that. If you just look at points per game, the Broncos this year are a full field goal per game worse than the Browns were in 2017 when they weren't when Owen 16. They are a full, almost a full touchdown per game worse than the Jamarcus Russell Raiders. They're almost a full touchdown per game worse than the 2008 Lions when they went 0 in 16. They are a full field goal worse than the Houston Texans expansion franchise Texans in their first season.

And they were almost 10 points per game worse than the Tim Tebow Broncos. Jordan Love had more fantasy points than Russell Wilson today. my God. At what point is this just like the worst trade ever for Russell Wilson? It's reaching worst trade ever territory. I would say so. I would agree with that if the Seahawks and also made one of the worst trades of all time in trading two first round picks for Jamal Adams.

But it's not the same. It's not the same because that was a very, very, very bad trade. But that was still two picks that ended up being what in the 20s? No. Garrett Wilson is a jet because of this trade. Okay. All right, fine. But still, it doesn't matter.

You might get the second pick in the draft. Yeah, right now, the Rams are giving the Lions the third pick. The Syricks are giving the CICs the fourth. Sorry, the Broncos giving the Cilks the fourth pick. And then also the Broncos paid Russell Wilson, like $170 million guaranteed to be like the worst quarterback in the NFL. I think, yeah, I mean, we're splitting hairs. They're both terrible, terrible. Like, this is a terrible trade so far for them.

It's looking atrocious. Kevin tweeted something. Kevin Clark tweeted something today. He's like, don't worry, Russell Wilson's dead cap hit in 2024 is 31. million. 2026. No, no. Is it like the UN climate report saying that like the,

we're going to reach the point of no return to climate change like 2027? Like the world might end before the Broncos get out of this Russell Wilson contract. You said Russell Wilson was outscored by Jordan Love and two drives? Yeah, well, Jordan Love play what, half a fourth quarter? He threw nine passes. He outscored Russell Wilson who played an entire game against the Panthers. Speaking of which, so I wanted to dive deeper into this. So Kyle Pitts, unfortunately, is injured.

he's likely out for the rest of the season. So we needed to figure out a two-truths, one lie, a new segment to carry on for the rest of the season. Well, somebody tweeted this to us, and we loved it, and we're going to do it every week. It's the tight ends who outscored Russell Wilson and a lie. Oh, boy. So Russell Wilson scored 8.4 points today.

Congrats. Here are some tight ends who outscored him and won as a lie. Hayden Hurst. Listen, we're talking about tight ends outscoring a quarterback. Hayden Hurst. John Bates, co-keft, Foster Moreau, Jordan Aikens, Josh Oliver. Co-Keeft is a person, can confirm,

because I saw that name today. And I was like, is that a person? He scored a touchdown today. My question is, did he score enough points to outscore Russell Wilson? He did score touchdown today. John Bates, definitely scored the game when he touched up for Washington. Jordan Aikins, I remember scoring a touchdown because he, like, celebrated like he won the Super Bowl. And it was like, dude, you're down 20 points, man.

You guys, co-keft. is 6'5, 265 pounds. He's basically like a fullback. Yo, Co-Keefe did not score more points than Russell Wilson. Co-Keefe did not. He was very close. 7.5 for co-keefed. So like, I mean, like in the Superflex,

I almost started Co-Keefe over Russell Wilson. It was close, but I'm really glad I started Russell Wilson. Cloy's box outscored Russ for sure. Should we, should we as a bit for the people listening on our fantasy rankings next week, put co-keefs above Russell Wilson? Just like a bit. It's like a little Easter egg in there. You guys have co-keefed in there?

Has co-keefed had any other touches this year? I was hoping that he was going to play football like Chattanooga or somewhere. Oh my God, he's a sixth round rookie. He's from Iowa fucking corn fed. He's enormous. Co-keithed. That's one of my favorite terms. Corn fed is like the best.

We got next up, this is a new beloved award of mine. It's the SBF Fraud Watch Award brought to you by FtX. Who's on Fraud Watch Award? watch this week. Baltimore Ravens and Lamar officially on fraud watch for me. I've been searching for the team that I want that I can bet against in the playoffs. I've been looking for an AFC team. I'm already penciling in the Giants and the Vikings and the NFC cannot wait to bet against both of them. Needed an ASE team. I found it today. It's it's the Baltimore Ravens who are a fraudulent seven and four. This is what gets you up in the morning. It's searching for that fraudulent team to

bet on, isn't it? I just, I wake up in a panic. I woke up in a sweat this last night. I think it's the Ravens. It's more excited. It's so fun. Well, by the way, so the Ravens, as it's set up right now, as the playoffs currently sit, the Ravens are going to be the four seed, and they would play the bills. Oh, God, I can't wait. It's a shot of adrenaline.

I'm going to put all my money. The Ravens haven't beaten anybody. They've won a couple good games. Five of their seven wins have come against Zach Wilson, Mack Jones, Jacoby Brissette, Andy Dalton, and Baker Mayfield. They can't. They can't. Did you guys see, there was a sequence today where Lamar Jackson,

scored what should have been a rushing touchdown. They called him down at the one. They threw a play action pass to Mark Andrews, who legitimately looked like he was setting a volleyball for a spike. It bounced off his hands straight up. I've never seen such a terrible catch attempt. They're just broken. They did score a touchdown on the next play, I believe, with Gus that word.

But it's like, to me, this, just, that scenario is just like, this team is a mess. What is going on? They lost to the Jags. They gave him 18 points in the fourth quarter. They give a back-to-back drives, touchdown drives from Trevor Lawrence to lose. The concept of the Ravens itself has broken. Like the entire idea of the Ravens since Lamar took over was this team does not blow leads.

It was like maybe Lamar isn't going to like do a shootout and do like a comeback the way the homes are kids. That was the whole thing. Like if Lamar gets up 10, games over. Dude, the first, Bill Barnwell had this. The first four years of Lamar's career, when the Ravens had a 10 point lead in the second half, the Ravens were 31 and 2. And they've had three games this year where they've lost a 10 point lead.

And today was a 9 point lead in the second half. So I don't have the exact 9 points that, but like probably something pretty close also to 31 and 2. And so now they've blown more leads in the second half this year than did in last four seasons. It's like, well, if you can't do that, then what does this team even do? There's a chance this team goes like 12 and 5.

Legit. They play the Steelers twice still. They play the Browns. They play Atlanta. They do not play. They play Denver next week. Like the Ravens could legitimately be 12 and 5, and I cannot wait. Well, there's a couple teams.

I think the Packers, we mentioned earlier in Rogers. The Packers are going to have to fire their defensive coordinator just because the way that the Eagles just ran for like 350 yards or something in prime time. But I think the Ravens are, I think the Ravens are going to have to do something about Greg Roman. He's their offensive coordinator. And like, it's weird because they could move on. But they've constructed their team to be a medieval offense. And it's kind of wild. We keep talking about running is back.

And the Ravens in theory should be built to do that. They just can't. It's like they have this 300 pound fullback, Patrick Carrard, but it's like they look medieval. And maybe that sounds cool to zag, whenever it's zinging, but like it's not working. I agree with you. It's like just I test,

not even looking at the stats. I test, like their run game is not good. And Lamar Jackson saves it because he can do so much out of structure. But like, you know, obviously losing JK Dobbins has been very bad for them. You know, Kenny and Drake had two carries for two years. yards today. Guess Edwards is like a good, you know, physical presence down the middle of the fill or whatever,

but he's not like an explosive guy. They just, their run game sucks. Here's the thing I don't understand about the Ravens. They came into this offseason and they traded away Marquis Brown. And they knew coming in that they would have like Rashad Bateman and like Devin DuVernay, DeVrendois, and like, you know, all these guys. And then they knew that their top two running backs were coming off torn ACLs with

very complicated recoveries. And they just didn't add to those positions. And when all those people got hurt again, they've had no plan. It's the dead dove. What did you expect was going to be in this bag? It says right there on the sign. Right. All these people had injuries.

I don't know. What's the spread going to be? It's going to be Baltimore in, it's going to be Buffalo in Baltimore in the playoffs. What's that spread going to be? Bill's six and a half? It touched it. Yes. I was literally going to say six and a half because like a seven people are going to take the Ravens.

Especially with being in Baltimore. Well, the bills are banged up. People talk yourself in. I don't know. The bills, the bills are banged up too. honestly the chiefs. I got to call my money guy. See if I can take out some money.

Move some stuff around. Move some things around. Letty to liquidate some things. Sell the bonds. We should give the Jaguars credit, though, because the Jaguars were unbelievable in this game, though. Yes. We are so proud of you, son, to Trevor Lawrence,

the Dad Award. You finally did it, son. You made me proud. Finally, that's kind of... Adding the finally is kind of mean. Well, I mean, it's been a year and a half. I'll be it the first year with with Urban Meyer.

But Lawrence, So I watched the entire fourth quarter. I was locked in for fantasy purposes. And Lawrence looked really good, like genuinely very good. Lasers. Like I said earlier, back-to-back touchdown drives in the fourth to win. Two-point conversion, dime he threw. If it was a foot too short or too far, he couldn't have caught that ball.

He had 300 yards. The first player in Jags history to have a game with 300 passing yards, three touchdowns, no picks, and 75% completion percentage. And more than all the stats, more than anything, what I like the most about Trevor Lawrence, and this is what we talked about back when we were talking about talking to him coming out of the draft. I didn't think he had a personality. I never knew anything about him. He seemed like a mannequin out there in the field. Just a robot. Today was completely

different. I saw a personality. He was fist pumping. He was pounding his chest. He was like dapping up his teammates. Every time he threw an important completion, he was like screaming. He was hyped up. Like I finally see now what Trevor Lawrence could be because we know he has all the physical tools. But you need that intangible to get to the next level. I think we saw it for the first time today. Yeah. It's such a cliche, but command. Like he was in total total command in the entire fourth quarter. And it just didn't look like when he's he 23 years old. He just,

I mean, there are plenty of 30-year-old quarterbacks that don't. I mean, honestly, I don't know how many times I've watched Kirk Cousins have been like as confident. Yeah, he's going to like do all of this and execute. Also,

because again, people forgot, he did this to the Giants. Remember when he threw that game-winning ball with like no time on the clock to Christian Kirk at like the half yard line to win the game. And then the Giants just tackled them at the one and they had no timeouts left.

But like, for all intents to purposes, it was a game-winning throw. Like, He's done some dumb stuff this year, but like, I think Trevor Lawrence is legit. The, uh, the pass he made for the two point conversion, like Craig said, was right on the money. That catch, though, it was Zay Jones, right? The catch, it was like he had to turn his hands backwards and like, cut it and like bringing in.

It was a really good catch, too. He made a couple of really nice passes in that, like, fourth quarter. There was a fourth down pass to Zay Jones, too, that he made was really good. We occasionally have the award, the, the, uh, the Brandon Cook's award for the player we refused to believe is good. There's a little, Zay Jones, he's kind of, he's kind of good. I could be wrong, but I don't know if he even had a single 20 plus yard catch this year. He must, I don't know. It sounds wrong, but I think that was true.

That was like a big talking point. Like up until like a week or two ago, basically the Jack's offense, I think Nate Tice has been bringing this up like every week. Basically there's like a, there's a ceiling on their passing game. Literally nothing past 20 yards. They have like a 100 completions at 19 yards and zero. at 20. Yeah.

Like, it's just weird. It's a two today. Yeah. But anyway, Lawrence, I think Lawrence is incredible and this is probably the game where people will remember that turning.

Hi, Fitz. You mentioned the Ravens, you know, holding on to leads. I saw this stat today. Incredible. First win in franchise history, when they're trailing by seven plus points in the final minute of regulation,

zero and 183 before this game, trailing by seven points in the final minute. So they'd never come back by more than a touchdown in the last. in the last minute of the game. 183 games? You guys aren't superstitious, and yet any time they show a stat, like, what was the three weeks ago?

When they're like, Cowboys, 195 and O, up 14 in the fourth quarter, whatever. It's like, whenever you see that, it's over. Don't say it. Like, it's over. Yeah. It's never, never one. I also think people, I mean, I forgot this.

I was thinking about the Jags next year. I was like, oh, maybe they can get somebody in the drafts and more, you know. And ETN also went down in this game. You hurt his foot. But I forgot they have Calvin Ridley. Yeah. Jacks. That's going to be saying.

That's crazy. I forgot that too. Speaking of the Jags, though, also, they did the Ravens think to them. The Jags went for the two-point conversion.

Big day for the two-point conversion. I will say, every, like, was it, I can't keep track of time anymore, but three weeks ago, there were a bunch of fourth-down decisions and everyone's like out. I'm curious to see if people

actually give even a fraction as much praise for the teams that just ended games, walk off two-point conversion and didn't go to overtime. I just think the Jags and Doug Peters are doing that to the Ravens, and then the charges

to do the car. Cardinals just walked off. Yes. Staley. Staley. Fourth down monkey. Fort down monkey. That's what you do, right?

Brandon? Hey, that's your thing, right? Go for it. Fourth and eight, Brandon. Dance monkey! That's all you do, right? That's your thing? You just go for it on fourth down?

Well, it worked. I will say, if it didn't work, I was like, this guy's going to get fired. It's just the way if coaches are afraid, hi fits. Come on. Justin, it's true. Honestly, if you ever wonder why, it's so true. Like, whatever would have happened.

They don't want to get fired. Yeah. It's just, right. It was a really good play call. They got Gerald Everett wide open. I think two point conversions are like the basketball equivalent of an, like, an inbound play of the 10 seconds left. And there's just, there's just, there's every time, you watch, there's just certain

plays where you're like, that is only a two point conversion play, and it's perfect. And it was that. Gerald Everett was wide. I got to be honest, I didn't really love the Jags two point play, like the design of it. No. It was an incredible play. But yeah, why did you make that so hard on yourself? But anyway, I digress.

Speaking of the late game, just comebacks. I mean, the Browns beating the bucks today was kind of nuts. But I feel like the Browns just overall had like a weird 24 hours. What happened with this donuts on the field? I didn't learn about this to like hours later. The Browns had a day. So starting out, there's like tire tracks all over the field. I don't know if you could see in this game.

There's just like tire tracks all over the field. That's awesome. I didn't get the details. I was waiting until now. Was it a car or did someone get like a golf car and like whip the golf cart around? Or was it a car? I have no idea. I don't know.

They're still doing, you know, the forensics on the tire tracks and the treads and whatnot. I think Shooter McGavin hired a guy to drive on the field. They got Ace Ventura coming up later to like figure out who is on the field. No, it's my cousin Vinnie. Positraction. Anyways, there was a golf cart. Someone drove onto the field and did a bunch of donuts. last night. And so like they had to play on this. And then during the game, there was a fucking skunk

in the stadium. Just hanging out. They had to like evacuate a whole section of the stadium because the skunk was hanging out. Where are these wild animals coming from? This is not the first time a wild animal was in Brown Stadium. Back in 2018, a fan caught a possum that was just wandering around during a game. Animals are just living in the stadium. Do you think the Browns would compensate a fan if they were sprayed by a skunk? Would they get a any form of payment? No, it's definitely in the small print. I mean, Washington had, like, fans collapsed and almost killed Jalen Hertz,

and Jalen Hertz had to, like, publicly shame them at even doing anything about it. You guys remember when that kitten was, like, hanging out in the rafters? I was going to bring that up. No, remember. When was, what, I don't remember what stadium that was. No, remember the black cat ran across the Giants on Monday Night Football. Oh, yeah. And I think Kevin Harlan, the announcer, like, and he's at the 30, the 20, the 10,

oh, no. And it's like, announced the whole thing went viral. But then off that, people are like, why is there a cat at the state? It turns out lots of stadiums have colonies of cats. And if you're wondering, one, colonies of cats. Yeah. Two, why so many cats in the stadium? Get rid of mice.

Rats. Yeah. And mice. That was the thing Disneyland used to do. Back in the day, there used to be cats running around Disneyland because they would catch the mice and the rats. You know, there's a theory that the black plague happened in part because there was like mass cullings of cats in the like century before. Wow.

Interesting. Small corrections. The incident with the car driving on the field was several days ago. They just couldn't fix it in time. How is that possible? I guess you can't have grass grow in five days or whatever. Can you like rake it?

You know why? We're not like, Craig and I aren't dads yet so we don't know if about lawn care. Oh, don't even get me started. Yeah. We need to get rid of lawns. You get an air rate.

Most pointless thing on earth. Oh, 100%. Gravel or whatever, some sort of like, you know how they're doing like Las Vegas or L.A. the rocks. That's just so much better. Just anything else. But what happened to the state? Did you guys not like my rant about how we should get

rid of turf and how every player doesn't like turf? Only grass for football games, everything else turf. I also just like people driving circles around the Browns, but in terms of the extremely on the nose metaphors, Sean McVeigh literally took one on the chin. Yeah, Jesus. God, you got rock. He just ran into, honestly, my take is I can't believe that doesn't happen more. Was that on turf?

Probably was. Yes. So he was standing on the sideline, walking up the sideline, and a player was putting on his helmet to run into the game. Apparently, he didn't see him and just hit McVeigh in the face hard. And there was a video that was going around where it was like in slow motion and fake vase like cheeks were just like flying. It was like this crazy look. His chin was like at his ear. Yeah, definitely looks really painful.

Craig, is that the look he gave you whenever you made a mistake producing a flying coach? Never made a mistake. Perfect immune system. Can't get sick. Oh man. I've only been retired in May $20 million a year commentating on terrible 37th football games. I know.

He's really running out of time. He's so old. What's going to happen when he's not the youngest coach in the NFL and we all just kind of like throw him outside? It's going to be weird in 10 years when he's 47. And the Broncos can get out of Russ Wilson's contract around that team? He's already done like six years on Monday Night Football and he's now coaching Ohio State. I don't know what he's going to do.

He's just, like the announcer for Tom Brady's ninth Super Bowl win? Who retires first, Tom Brady? Sean McVeighay. That's a good question. Maybe they joined forces one final year. All right, next award. This is the Fantasy Cuck Award.

I don't want to open this bag of worms again. Do you? Don't you? Yet, here we are. And yet I wrote it down. I don't know if you guys saw. Did you guys see the Derek Henry screen pass? Which every season, there's like four Derek Henry screen passes that go for like 75 yards.

Today, he had a 69-yard screen pass, which is why I thought of Fantasy Cuc. as well as what happened at the end. At the one yard line, he gets stripped, ball flies into the end zone, Treeline Berks recovers, gets the touchdown. Is Henry a cuck? Would Derek Henry rather,

maybe this was all orchestrated and he would rather watch somebody else score his own TD than him? Well, once he drops the ball, he's definitely rooting for Traylon Burks to... This is a live cucking. He's definitely rooting for Traylonenbergs to score because he couldn't make it

until the finish line. Or perhaps he first. finish too early. Don't you think there needs to be a way to statistically notate that touchdown for Trelon Burks? Like even in fantasy football, like he just has six more points and you don't know why. It's not a receiving touchdown. We need asterisk, yeah.

Like when you look at the box score, it's just nowhere? How bad happened? I always thought that was so weird. But even that kind of dealing with it? Like it's just, yeah, he can't find. He scored, but you can't find it. Like just make it a rushing touchdown. I don't think anybody would care.

Make it a receiving touchdown. It's like the stat version of that's. in your kitchen. Like every family has that drawer that's just like for crap. Yeah. Just like mac and miscellaneous. And like,

yeah, like measuring tapes. In college, we used to call that the Home Depot drawer. Yeah. It's like, it's like the stat version of like, I don't know,

you've covered a fumble. We're not putting that with like the nice rushing receiving. Yeah, but you got to like get Ace Ventura to figure out why Trailer and Berks have like 15 points that you're like what?

I don't understand. I literally can't find why he scored so many points. On this note, though, I have a question with Derek Henry. So again, if you didn't see,

basically the Titans just also if you ever played Madden I feel like this is the go-to screen you get the snap and the quarterback kind of rolls right and you let the defense come at you on all the pass rush and then you just loft it over their heads and you get it Derek Henry with like four blockers and he just did exactly what you'd think and he just ran and honestly if you told me the 20 yard line that he wasn't going to score I would have put a trillion dollars time he was going to score I would put everything I owned that Derek Kennedy was going to score but it had me thinking every offseason we come in were like Derek Kennedy's and catch passes and I'm like, why? How do the Titans not run this play five times a game?

How does a single quarter pass where Derek Kennedy doesn't get a screen? Because as he's running, I'm like, this is unstoppable. The whole thing with Derek Kennedy is get him ahead of steam. That's what the screen is for. Yeah, that's like a very broad question. I think a lot of fan bases would have. It's just like, this play works every time. Why don't we just spam this like four or five times a game? You're going to get like a good hit rate like 30 40% hit rate and like go from there that's like your foundation and yet it just never happens it just never seems to happen he has never actually caught 20 passes in his season he's going to do it this year if he doesn't get hurt he's 18 already he's one shy of his career high and i'm like they can't get him they basically can't even get him a screen a game

i kind of feel like every time i see him he's like pretty good at catching passes too he's like but i don't know it's like he's not terrible at it he's not like he's got feet for hands catching screens. Anybody can do that. That's what I'm saying. Like, give it more of those. I couldn't like, you know, do anything, but like, I don't know. We have a 50-50 shot of catching this screen.

In a vacuum, I could catch that screen. I guess I'm just confused because, like, you think of McCaffrey's the Shifty guys, but I'm like, I don't, I feel like this could be the best play in the entire NFL. Just Derek Henry screens. I don't get it. Yeah, it feels like one in four times that's going for 50 plus. 60% of the time, Traylon Burks will score. All right.

I also just, we can't get out of your tilt. Did you guys see this? Brian Robinson Jr.'s hat. Oh my God. So I wanted to talk about Brian Robinson, but like, all right, yeah, he scored, cool, whatever. They won the game, great. He wore this giant hat after the game that is genuinely unlike anything I've ever seen. It's funny hat.

Big hat. I thought it was Photoshop until I saw. Shout out to my friend Sam Fortier. And I actually don't think I would have believed it was real if it was not from Sam, for someone I knows Twitter account. Like, this looks Photoshopped. That tweet by Sam got like, that. thousands and thousands of retweets. It's like it went viral.

It's he literally said Brian Robinson said his friend has a big hat company. And then Brian Roberts said, quote, if you want a big hat, let me know. And it is called be it's called Noggin boss. Craig. This hat, this hat, 100% is getting milkshake ducked in the next like 15 hours from what the hat is tomorrow afternoon. What does that mean? The hat is going to get canceled for being racist.

Too many people love the hat. Craig, I'm not being serious. You can't cancel a hat. You can cancel anything, D.K. That's a joke. It's like, oh, look at this little duck that drinks milkshakes. And then 24 hours later, it's like the duck is racist. The duck is harassing people.

This is the greatest guerrilla marketing campaign of all time. Like, he just said it. He mentioned it to Sam. And then, like, it got like a hundred thousand. I want one. I'm going to get one. I can't decide if this will be, I'll never think of this again. If it'll, like, I think this week you're going to see like Adam Schaefter

wear it on Monday night football or whatever. Oh, and he will. And then that's when it'll die. That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's going to last two weeks, right? Like, Adam Schifter. Like, you get the chains with Kirk Cousins and then like, now he's going to get one of these hats. People aren't going to be wearing this since 20 years, right?

This is at the beginning of something. People are going to be wearing these at games and people behind him and be like, take off the hat. It's too big. How many big. I tell you, this guy, $75. It's getting milkshake ducked. It's probably not legally licensed with the NFL and this guy's getting canceled.

I love TK. I'm telling you. TK is like the hats are racist. All right. Burn book. Week 12. Do you guys have any candidates? I have kind of a spicy one.

It's real recency bias, but it's kind of trending in the wrong direction. Although his counterpart just got hurt today, so it might change things. But I kind of think Christian McCaffrey is borderline, really annoying people who have him. He's annoying. Okay.

But doesn't he have like double digit points in every game this season? except like two? Yeah, but like so did Najee Harris. And he was annoying too. Like, okay, but he had like 40 points like three weeks ago. Christian McCaffrey. He had the one giant game where everybody he was like did a little little

little Donmondson thing. And then ever since it's like 15, 14 today had six. They just don't, they don't really use them that much. This is not Christian McCaffrey. This is Shanahan again. I was so mad at Christian. No, we also see Christian McAfree is a little banged up today. Yeah.

And again, I'm as annoyed at McCaffrey as anybody like I really needed him today in a league. But you can't burn Christian McCaffrey before you burn out. Alvin Camara. I would like to burn Alvin Camara because Alvin Camer was good in October. He was literally like the worst single draft pick in football in like September. And then he's kind of back to that in November. Alvin Camara is borderline unplayable. I am like devastated. I played Alvin Camer over Samaj P Ryan today. Crushed. And like the Saints, they were shut out. The Saints turned it over and downs at like the two yard line. They didn't even give Alvin Camer the ball. He wasn't even on the

field for two of these downs. You get hurt. He got hurt though. He was like banged up. Well, so did. Well, first of the. McAfrica banged up and Craig wants to burn him. I just can't wait. I don't know if I agree with the Camara one, but I just cannot wait for Shanahan to turn Jordan Mason into a star. He's going to have Christian McCaffrey on his roster. It's going to be fun.

Like, whatever. He'll get the official start. Jordan Mason is going to go off this next week. Just wait. Camar has been pretty bad. Shanahan can't help himself. Camar has been really bad the last four weeks. He essentially had, like Hyphen said. He was basically putting up like 20 a game for four weeks and now he's putting up like seven a game. Literally single digits for like a month.

I don't mind that. I don't mind that. Should we do it? I kind of feel like it is Camara. I think we can burn Alvin. I put it this way. I don't think anyone who has Alvin Camara listening right now is like, that's unfair. No, spare him.

No. People with Alvin Camara are like, yes, finally. I mean, the other option if you want is Gabe Davis. I don't have enough emotion about Gabe Davis. No, it's Camara. Camara is the right one. It feels right. Right.

So week one, we burn cave. makers. That was good. Week two, Colquemette, Darnel Mooney. Week three, Baker-Mayfield. Week four, Kyle Pitts. Week five, Alan Robinson. Week six, DJ Moore and Elijah Moore. Who are back? They can file paperwork. Week seven, AJ Dylan. Who is back? Week eight. For the entirety of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Who are back? Week nine, we burnt Justin Herbert. Who is back? Week 10, we burned Russell Wilson. He's not back. No, he's not back.

Week 11, Cream Hunt. Oh, that's good. He was still bad today. And we burned Alvin Camara today. Okay. Camarri gets the Falcons and then the Browns in week 15 and 16. Cool. All those people who are not in the playoffs can get Alvin Camaric run for 200 yards against the Browns and keep them from last place.

Yeah, but think about how good they'll feel about keeping them from people who are in the playoffs. Just hoarding, hoarding all those points. It just doesn't give a fuck. Go for it. You guys? Byrd Alvin Camara at your own. You're in the book. He's in the book.

He's in the book. Okay. Permanent marker. All right. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to everybody for listening.

Emails at ring of fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have questions about waivers, playoffs coming up, and weird superstitions you do, because I feel like I'm not the only one who does these things. Really important. The rest of the regular season, you probably got one or two weeks left. Really important. Let's start a waiver show on Monday. Thank you, Lauren.

Lauren. Like you ghostland observatory. No idea. You made that up. That's like co-keef. Is Co-Keeft the singer of that man? Who sings in his Klois Box? That's the top ten.

That's the top ten name of all times. That's his legit. His name is Clois Kennedy Box. Lois Box. Lois Box. I don't think I'll ever forget how you said that. Clois. Joyce.

Box. He was an American football player and businessman. Of course. Oh my God. Did he wear a cowboy hat? Did he wear like an oversized cowboy hat everywhere? Dude, his Wikipedia page, his photo is a painting. No way.

How do you spell his name? B-O-A. How do you spell Cloyce? Oh, it is a painting. It's a fucking painting. No one's ever seen this man. What the hell? a successful businessman

at the oil and gas business His position is end What side of the ball? No one knows Clearly running back for that one season He had 300 yards in a game Oh my God Six, he was six four

220 close with Derek Henry out there Reading the Wikipedia. Detroit's coaches sought to take advantage of boxes speak. Dude, he has a twin brother named Boyce. Boyce and Clois. He has a twin to brother named Bois. Boyce Box. He became the president of Oklahoma Cement Company after playing.

Of course he did. It sounds like that Sylvester Stallone, like running the mob at Tulsa business. A guy named Cloice has to be a cement company. The chairman of the Board of Regents for West Texas State University and the Texas Board of Penal Corrections. I think Clois is like crazy rich. What about his? Cloice Box Ranch was used as the original South Fork Ranch for the miniseries that became the TV series Dallas. I feel like Cloice Box is way more famous than we're letting on.

Frank Gifford gave Boxes eulogy and Kathy Lee Gifford sang. Everyone in Texas is so bad at us right now. Cloice Box. close and voice box. Wow. While we're here, I've actually been wanting to tell you guys this story for like six months. This is just about when you were like,

he's a businessman. I walked in, there's just like flower shop near me in D.C. And like the owner of it's just like this very like New Orleans guy with like a deep New Orleans drawl. And he's like, I don't know, 60. And I went in there one day. You know what?

And he's like, and he recognized me. He was like, ah, Dan. How's business? Dan. And I was like, man. He called you Dan. Yeah.

And he was like, remember my name. And he was like, how's business? And I was like, man, it's such a better question than how's work. Dude, you're so right. Not even, not even just for how's work. I don't think it needs to be classified for, you should ask that instead of how you doing. D.K., how's business?

Oh my God. I'm into this. I'm going to walk into the office tomorrow. First person I see him to say, how's business? How's business treat? Yeah. Everybody out there, do that in your life and tell us the best responses. Email us.

Email us at ring infancy football, gml.com. This is like the fight club instructions. Go out into your life and ask people how's business? Close, boys. Also, we didn't shout out Kai. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Kai, for, yeah, God, making whatever the hell we just did there. Wait, Kai's from Texas.

Do you know who Cloice Box is? Yeah, Kai, do you know Clois Box? Kai's like 12 years old. Hey, I have no idea who Clois is, but I was trying when I, when D.K. said that it was Bois, I just, I lost it. Cloise and Bois. Cloise and Bois. Well, you're doing your state of disservice by not knowing who Cloyce boxes.

I'm going to do some research after this. Yeah. Look into your history a little bit. Yeah, I wonder who's saying it, voice boxes. All right. Goodbye, everyone.