The Ringer NFL Show - Week 13 Awards

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

We recap the Week 13 slate by giving out brand new awards like The Apollo Creed Award for the Guy Who Refuses to Throw in the Damn Towel, The Mitchell Trubisky “Don’t Watch Him Play” Award, The FAABulous Award, and more. Later we induct the next player into the 2021 Fantasy Burn Book in what is our most controversial decision to date. Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everybody, this is Warren Sharp, NFL analyst over at Sharp Football Analysis. I want to welcome you to The Ringer Gambling Show. Join me on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays each week during the NFL season with guests Chris Vernon, Ben Solac, and Joe House to guide you through the NFL betting landscape. We'll be talking spreads, game totals, parlays, player props, futures, and much, much more. Be sure to follow the Ringer Gambling Show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football. show. My name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Quirlebeck Sunday of

week 13 is done. We are giving out awards. We're getting right into it. D.K., Craig, fight. Who wants it first? Me? D.K., let's battle. Speaking of fights, what's the award category? Speaking of fights, so this award is called the, it's the Apollo Creed Award for the guy who refuses to throw in the damn towel. Throw in the damn towel. Joe Burrow, man. Tough. Dude, he's just a superhero. Tough as nails.

Salty Spatoon original. Yeah, he had a bowl of nails for breakfast without any milk. Joe Burrow did. So, I mean, so Joe Burrell, I think, is it announced that he break his pinky? It looked like he broke his pinky.

He dislocated his pinky. Yeah, his hand was, looked like you blew in a medical glove and blew it up. That's how puffy it was coming at a half time. It looked like that one time. It looked like the one time I got stung on the hand by a bee.

Yeah. And my hand was just like. It's like a hand turkey. Like you do the outline. line when you're a kid. Just honestly, look, just like that on his throwing hand, his right hand, never missed a snap. Also got sacks six times and hit what seemed like, I don't know, 30 times.

He just gets pummeled every week and he's still like chasing after guys in interceptions. He's like battling T.J. Watt last week got pancakes by him, doesn't care. I can't imagine any other quarterback has more respect from his teammates, any other like young quarterback than fucking Joe Burrow does. The dude is a beast. I love it. I think he's the coolest quarterback in the league. I think he's the coolest young quarterback in the league.

Maybe actually any quarterback. I love Joe Burrow. It does make me slightly worried for his health long term. He gets a beliterated. He gets a better. He's kind of like the young stafford. He's the young Stafford in that way. He's defining qualities.

Wow, plays through a lot of injuries. Wonder how long that'll last. It's not even that he, like, plays through injuries. He's like he doesn't notice that they happen. He just gets up and keep, like, it's crazy. It's the ASE North. That's why. It's Rathustlberger Baker.

Burrow, this is all they do. Lamar meanwhile just got to change the culture of the team. They're a tough team now. Every time they cut back to the huddle or like cut back to like where the pass was thrown,

it's always just him face down. And he's got to like, has he ever watched? Has he ever watched a completion from like, he's never seen himself complete a pass. Can you? He's like, Jumar Chase can't catch the ball

because he's just like, Joe, you're not looking. Dad! Hey dad, look, look, look. Even in practice, whenever Joe throws, he winses because he's so used to getting just absolutely spearheaded after every throw. But wait, we have to get to the real story here,

which is, what is with all the quarterbacks hurting their fingers? It's crazy. It's an epidemic. The QB fingers are having a moment, if you were. So run through it, right? Yeah, Russell Wilson. Mallet finger.

Tase a Mill. Okay, like three weeks after I've never heard of mallet finger, now there's a second mallet finger. It's an epidemic. Mallefiger is taking Ryan Mallet's career. He just said 10 mallet fingers. Taysam Mill has a low-grade version of mallet finger. Apparently he's going to play through it.

This happened on Thursday night. We just skipped it. What does mallet finger even mean? We just skipped over this. We knew what that was. It's like a tendon in like the tip of your finger. Yeah, and it gets... Seems like it's important for throwing and whatnot. I mean, we've seen Russell Wilson play. Which finger is it on Taysam? It was the one that he was jimmying with after every

single throw on Thursday. I think he was like his ring finger. Yeah, my first impression was it was his ring finger, but I don't know for sure. Can we be armchair doctors for a second? So when Burrow heard his pinky, when he heard his pinky, I was like, oh, that is the least important finger. So that made me feel a little better.

There was an offensive lineman at Rutgers. It's the least important, though. Do you remember the offensive lineman, like 10 years ago, who mangled his pinky in a block, and there were like four games left in the season? And so he just had the pinky amputated instead of missing the rest of his senior season? Holy shit.

Holy shit. What I'm saying is Burrow was good that he didn't come out of the game because that would have been to move. It was just pain tolerance, yeah. But while we're on this note, though, one last thing on Pinkies. You know what I was thinking about today? Weird name for a finger. Pinky.

Like you got index. I'm sure there's a reason for that. Middle. It's in the middle. Ring finger. There's a ring on the finger. Why the hell is it we call it a pinky? Hold on.

What a weird name. Good question. Yeah. That's like so you tell a kid. and it stuck. While you're looking that up, didn't Matt Stafford have a finger thing earlier this year too?

Stafford, yes. You know why? You know why? Because was this on flying coach? You discussed this? I don't remember. But so, Shanahan had all the Niners

play with the pads on their helmets because the players were having their hands come down on the helmets. And McVeigh was like, hmm, that might be a good idea, forgot about it. And then Stafford did it and was like, damn it, I knew I should have did that.

And then they put the pads on the players. It looks ridiculous to go to practice and all the defenders have foam on top of their heads. So the word pinky, apparently it's derived from the Dutch word pink, which means little finger. That's incredible. Pretty straightforward.

So it's a Dutch word, okay, that's actually... Did you know that New York used to be known as New Amsterdam, Craig? I don't know if I knew that. Because the Dutch first settled that area and then eventually, you know... I knew this. They changed it to New York. Hyfitz, you're from New York.

I'm from New York, so you actually... Did you know that? Yeah, you learned that in school. It's like it's their own area, right? Okay, anyway, so more interesting. Anyway, fingers, it's crazy. D.K. All right, so in a similar vein, I'm going with the Michael Myers Award for the guy who just

refuses to stay down. You just can't kill this guy. Rob Gunkowski. Yeah. Just continues to go out there, rumbling, tumbling, looks like he's constantly in pain. 60% top speed, you know, like, I don't know. Like, he just looks like he's rumbling. Like, he's an old man out there on the field.

but he's like he's the guy at the Y who you play who's just all fundamentals he just can't move real fast but he boxes you out you know he sets screens he's a really good passer this is rob garniske on the football field i love the michael meyers basketball movie yeah well i kind of changed yeah i switched gears there midway through the analogy michael myers also had like a party boat cruise in florida i imagine michael mires is tall he's pretty big guy he'd probably be really good would be a tight end on the court yeah um dude yeah just setting like, don't call. Really strong core, Michael Myers.

Anyway, Rob Grinkowski. Speaking of Rob, I saw this tweet from Josh Norse speaking on Matt Stafford. He was tweeting this about Matt Stafford, but I thought of Grunk when I saw it too. He goes, no one used, no one ever used to have a bad back. Like, once you have a bad back,

and I feel this because my back hurts right now, no one ever used to have a bad back. It's just kind of like lingers forever. We're doing this over Zoom. Craig and I both, sat up so straight the second DK was like, I have a bad back. And Craig and I just reflexively like fixed

our posture out of fear. Yeah. Don't live your life the way I did, you guys. I was walking around the ringer offices when I first started working here in Tate Fraser just lying on the floor in the middle of the day becoming like this daily occurrence right around last time. God. Anyway,

Gronk, just mad respect for him going out there each and every week despite the multitudes of injuries, serious injuries that he's had over his career. He just, all he does to score touchdowns. He had two more touchdowns today. He has six touchdowns on the year and six full games.

He has eight touchdowns, I think, in his last seven games if you go back to last year. The dude is just, number one, unstoppable in the red zone. And number two,

perfect chemistry with Tom Brady. Like, this is the all-time, like, twosome, right? Like, I don't know if anyone else has more touchdowns

than these two guys. Maybe Jerry Rice and Joe Montana. No, it's Peyton and Marvin Harrison. Is it? It's really? Montana and Jerry Rice, actually, yeah.

Today. Yeah. So. No, today they pass Antonio Gates and Philip Rivers, I think. Oh, that makes sense. I think they were... Regardless, like, just... I just want to give a shout out to him because...

And I tweeted this a while ago, like, this is actually from last year, but I think it even applies a little bit more. This year, Rob Kornkowski runs like a B-17 that's limping home from a bombing run over Germany. He's got 30 holes from flak. Two engines are out. Half the tail rudder are gone. That's how Gronk runs.

I don't even know what any of that means, but I still get it. Also, if it's your own tweet, you don't have to, like, quote it. You can just say it. Like, it's your idea. Yeah. You can plagiarized myself. Yeah, that's fine. Did you guys see that quote about Brady talking about Gromk being like, it's so annoying?

I like watch how many almonds I eat in a day and Gronk doesn't care at all. Literally will eat anything at any time and just shows up and it's great. I think I saw the Gronk version of that quote, which didn't Gronk say this week. I think Tom, he said Tom knows what I'll think before I think it. Yeah. Which I think is the perfect. explanation of their chemistry. I love that.

It's cool actually watching them in the red zone now because you almost, like, I just actually watch Gronk now. I just watch him run the route and I know that the ball will be right where it's supposed to. And his second touchdown today was awesome. Gronk was on like the right side alone in the formation and Brady just patiently waited for Gronk to like get out of the scrum in the middle.

He kind of faded towards the corner of the end zone. And then Brady just put it right there. Like Brady will throw 50, 50 balls only to Gronk because he knows Gronk will catch them. That's why Mike Evans is not a fullback anymore. more. Right. Yeah.

Gronk now on the year. So he came into the game, the tight end. So he was injured clearly for a few games. So he came into the game third in points per game among tight ends. And so that was 15.1. And he just scored 21 in this game. So like he's a top three, top four tight end in fantasy. Still love this.

He is a potential league winning player. If you held on to him, he's incredible. Or trade him from it. Do I know what's funny is gronk before today was a tight end 17 total, even though he's missed. Even though he's like played six games. He's a tight in 17. Yeah, that's crazy. He is a legend. Another person who needs a shout out for approaching legendary status award. Jonathan Taylor, man. Yeah. I think so Taylor has now entered, and Craig and I were talking about this on the

green room this afternoon. Like, he's, he's entering like the realm of like one of the all-time great seasons. I think he has potential. He's going in that direction. I'm not saying he's got more games. They have a buy next week, which sucks. Yeah. But. But I mean, he's been a weekly top 10 running back in PPR, 10 straight weeks. He has 18 touchdowns this season. I mean, by the time the season is over, could be in the 20s. Like, that's an all-time fantasy season. Think about that.

10 straight weeks, he's been a top 10 running back. That's unbelievable. This is like Christian McCaffrey Light, I guess, you know, because he's not quite as as dominant in the air, obviously. But the man is just, he's just dominating. And he's so, I love watching him run, too, because he is this combination of really, really explosive and physical, but also he kind of like slaloms through the defense,

like really gracefully. Like he's just like running on air. I don't know. He's just a really fun way. That phrase because he's not one of those running backs that makes a lot of moves but doesn't get a lot of yardage. Totally. He gets north south.

Yes. Yeah. But like in the way that it should be instead of just like, sometimes that's a compliment that's a back end compliment for a guy that isn't very agile. Jonathan Taylor gets north south. Like he actually gets the yard. Yeah. I should note it, I should note today he had 32 rush attempts, 143 yards, two touchdowns.

It didn't have any catches, which is scariest player to play in fantasy. It was 31 to zero, so I think it's fine. That makes sense. Next up here, Dika, can you just explain this? Like, what do we got? So I'm going with this one's called the Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito, starring in the hit comedy twins award. Yeah. Knock a lot, I haven't seen this movie. I have neither, but I know about it. Can I get a- Oh my gosh? Wait, wait.

Your guys' generation is showing. Can I hazard a guess? Yes. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito or twins, but they don't look anything alike? Well, that's basic gist of it. Okay. They're long-lost brothers that they find each other in adulthood or whatever. I don't actually remember the exact plot.

They're twins. Yes, they're twins. They're correct. Anyway, so. They're just brothers. They're not. I don't know why it's called that. Picture Schwarzenegger and DeVito.

in the 80s or early 90s, maybe. And then picture QB1 and QB2 this week, and that was Kyler Murray and Tom Brady. I just thought it was a hilarious example of the different, like the contrast between different types of quarterbacks in the NFL right now, and especially in fantasy, the different ways that you can get fantasy points from different types of quarterbacks,

different styles of quarterbacks and different quarterbacks, quarterbacks of different sizes and shapes, let's say that. Because Kyler Murray, he's very short. Tom Brady, on the other hand, is very tall. And sort of like the old archetype of the old school pocket passer. Kyler Murray is obviously a dynamic dual-terate quarterback. Kyler finished 11 of 14 for 123 yards,

two touchdowns, added 59 yards, and two scores on the ground. 31 points. He's a QB1 this week so far. Real best case scenario game for Kyler. I mean, the weather was really shitty. He threw them all 14 times coming back from an ankle injury, and he had 31. Like, it was...

So efficient. Yeah. Yeah, they do the like expected fantasy points thing. He did not have any more expected fantasy points. He reached his potential to that. He's just maxed out. Yeah. He did miss three throws.

Three throws. Idiot. And then Brady, on the other hand, incredibly efficient. 38 out of 51, 368 yards. And four touchdowns? I actually didn't write it down. What was it? Yeah, four.

Four touchdowns. He had one rush for negative one yards. 28.6 points second. He's the QB2 this week. So anyways, I just thought that was funny because it's just the biggest contrast between like styles and height, really. So that's it.

Yeah, love those guys. Kyler throwing 14. Tyler is ready throwing 51. I'm curious how many, what is something you guys are really confident you could do 51 times when you're 44 years old, like time when you're 51 passes?

You're like three hours to do something. I bet I could hit a lot of free throws. I bet I could hit 38 little balls of paper into a trash can. Wow. I'm pretty good at that. Repetition. What if a pass rush is coming at you? Maybe not.

Joe Burrow could, though. He doesn't care. Stud. All right, next up, Craig. All right, this is their real and their spectacular award, the Terry Hatcher Award. This one goes to Gardner Minshu, baby.

Minchumania. I can't believe we waited this long to get there. Obviously, he looked great. They beat the Jets. I know it was the Jets, but Gardner stepped right in. This guy's fake. He's an actor.

I don't know what's going on. Did you see him with him? his dad after the game. He's like a Kenny Powers character. No, I didn't see what? He is like a Kenny Powers character. He's just like the way, like him and his dad were such like, it was such like a testosterone filled like pro hug and his hair's like flapping all over the place and his mustache. He's wearing the top gun like bomber jacket thing. Yeah, he's like a not a real pretty. He's like a caricature. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

He completed his, it's just fun that he's playing and you're like, oh, well, he'll probably suck and forget him. I'm complete. He completes his first 11 passes, revives Dallas. Goddard from the dead. And wins by 15 easily. He was through 250 yards, two touchdowns. Like, looked just like one of the, you know, best 15 quarterbacks in the league.

D.K., do you think this is Minchew's a lot better than Jalen Hertz, which is obviously what Philadelphia fans will be consumed by soon? Or is it just like kind of lightning in a bottle where the Jets were probably preparing all week for Jalen Hertz, who's a completely different kind of player? And also the Jets suck.

and Minchu's like better Benchu should have gone for more than a six-round pick but also Minchu's not this good and this is just kind of a perfect storm from that huge week. I think it's something right in between what you said and we predicted that you would say this by the way on the green room.

We did. We actually thought you'd be a bit more impassioned. We're surprised that you didn't just completely shit all over Minchew's game here. Why? I don't know. We expected like when I was like

blowing smoke up as butt you'd be like all right. right, listen, the Jets prepared for hurts. The Jets suck. Let's not freak out. Is that my brand? You guys just think I just don't like anything that is fun or joy? You like the Zag. You Zag.

There's nothing wrong with the Zag guy. You Zag. I don't know he's Zag. Even that was a Zag. I agree that you would not. Shit. We'll think about this. We'll table this discussion.

To be clear, when Craig said he could not get 51 paper balls in a trash can with a pass rush, I was totally on board with that. That's right. You are. Kudos. Anyway, back to Vinshu, like, I think it's somewhere in between the obvious that it's the Jets and then the obvious that, like, he's the next great thing in the NFL. It's somewhere in the middle.

I think I've liked Minchu going back to his rookie season. I think it was his rookie season when he came in and played really well. Like, no one really expected him to do that. His second season in the NFL was not nearly as good. Like, things kind of fell apart around him. He just wasn't as efficient. And then he felt. But he was hurt that whole year.

Didn't he have an injury that he was playing through? I can't remember, but for sure it was like he got benched or like sort of relegated to the bench and then everyone just forgot about him, you know, and it was like, and then they drafted Trevor Lawrence and that was that. Yeah. If you look at those years, though, his first year, 21 touchdowns six picks and even the shitty second year, 16 touchdowns five picks. Well, yeah. So here's the thing. So the Jaguars flipped him for a six round pick. Obviously Urban Myers no idea what they're doing in terms of value and stuff because they gave Garder Minshu the reps and said they're going to hold a competition air quotes for

Trevor Lawrence. Right. Gave the job to Trevor Lawrence anyway and then traded Mnchu for sixth rounder, which was bizarre because if you're just going to give Lawrence a job, just give him the reps in training camp. However, I will give, you know, our boss, Bill Simmons, kudos that he said the entire time, like, why is Gardner Minshu not starting? He wanted the Patriots to get Gardner Minshu back in March.

And like, he was right. I think the interesting question is like, why did six teams not go for him? And I think there's this weird thing where, like, teams refuse to have four quarterbacks on the roster, which I don't really understand. It's the most important position in sports. I don't know why they're kind of obsessed with, like, having some more special teams versatility instead of, like, shoring up this position. And then it just seems like there are all these teams that could use a Gardner-Minshoe,

like, but they just had their high-priced veteran backup, like the Browns have a case, Keenham, the Steelers, I don't think of Mason-Ridolph as a veteran backup, but, like, he's played a lot for a backup. The Steelers, you know, don't want to have to give him reps, or don't have to give him reps for to play. And I guess they all have these veteran backups that they don't want to have to give practice time and then like a high upside guy and then minchu just gets lost in the shuffle i think it yeah it's so bizarre i think there's part of it is hyphen it's like the politics of

quarterback position right like you don't want someone who's too good and it's going to like create a controversy kind of like what's happening in philly honestly it's like this is going to create problems for her can't say i'm cam newton he's too likable well yeah and and i think like that's a good example too but like this could create problems for her it's like with you know the fan base is like clamoring for her or for for minchu to be the starter going forward if You know, if he has one bad player, one bad game. So, like, teams, I think are cognizant of that. But also, I think with Minshu, the thing that kind of, it's like he's,

he's kind of like in the Taylor Heineckee mold. Like, physically speaking, he's not special. Like, he doesn't have a big arm. He's not, he's not, like, overpowering. He's not super fast. Like, he can run around. He's kind of scrappy. Him and Heineke, to me, are kind of similar stylistically.

Like, basically, it's the cliche that they got moxie, you know? But I think Minchu's pretty good. Like he deals with pressure relatively well. He's accurate. He gives his players a chance. Like he throws the ball up and he's willing to attack tight coverage. I mean, we saw all that today. And the bottom line, I think he has a chance to like kind of be a starter next year.

Depending on like this might be his only start this year. I think that the Eagles already said they're going back to Hertz when he's healthy. It sounds like Hertz was close to playing today anyway. And so I think they have a buy next. week and then Hertz will be back as the starter. And so I just don't think like he's going to be the answer in Philly necessarily. But like Craig, you were saying you wouldn't mind if you went to Pittsburgh and played for the Steelers or whatever. No, I mean, at least give it a shot. I mean, so what was the rub on Minchuk? So he played at Washington State under Mike Leach, right,

and tore it up. Wasn't he really good? Yeah, he had a really, really good. So he has a kind of an interesting story. He was only there for one year, right? He started, I don't remember exactly where he started. He was out Alabama for a while. He thought about going into like being a coach. Like he was going to be like a grad assistant coach. And then he had the opportunity to go transfer to Wazoo, went to Wazoo, lit it up in like their air raid style offense. And then he was a sixth round pick, I believe. But like his numbers were really, really good for Wazoo. People really liked him. We played at the senior bowl. He was pretty impressive there. He was just, he was unremarkable physically and that was it. I think that's like the main thing. And it's also

like teams maybe still weren't sort of convinced that the air raid offenses are for real kind of deal like oh this was just like a product of the system blah blah but i think that the other thing i was going to say is like teams still it's hard to get oh it's hard to get past it's hard to live past like your original draft stock you know what i mean like this happens at all positions but especially quarterback like oh he's a he's a six-round pick he's not super physically impressive so that's who you're anchored is that way he grow the mustache he grows the mustache because he's not super physically i will say don't he doesn't look 25 he looks 35 to me he looks don't uncle rico yeah We did the video together.

He looks like the, you know who he looks like to me is the guy from stranger things? Like the, I think his name's Billy. He's like the kind of like the bully. Oh, yeah. The 80s. He looks like he's from the 80s. Yes, exactly. He's like an 80s spoof come to life.

He's like an S&L skit. It's unbelievable. Anyway, I actually like to round it all out. I actually think Minchie was pretty good. And I hope that he gets a chance to start somewhere. No, I don't know. I'm going to throw cold water on this whole. No.

There he is. There's the hyphets we know and love. I'm giving an award. This is the fabulous award, which is for the people who have free agent auction budget and you spend your fab and like all those guys

were fabulous today. Alex Madison, Sony Michelle, top eight running backs. I think they both have like 20 more points. They each had more than 120 total yards and a touchdown. Elijah Mitchell, who a lot of people spent a lot of fab on early in the season,

top 15 has played fantastic in the games he's been healthy. Devante Freeman, top 15 running back this week. I'm not like all those guys have delivered. And the only guy who's kind of disappointing was Jamar Williams. He didn't kill you.

He just didn't do anything for you today. And I'm not even including Taysam Hill, who we've been saying would be a good fantasy quarterback when he got the starting job. It took forever. Got the starting job. And was a top six fantasy quarterback this week. But I feel like he needs his own award because it was the most disgusting game to watch.

If you had a fantasy quarterback in a long time, I don't want to be hyperbolic, but I don't know if I've ever had a fourth quarter roller coaster with a fantasy guy for like a Thursday night game. I'm not counting like a Monday night, your whole matchup. Like, it's the first game. Like, what could go wrong? He threw a pick on three straight drives to end the game.

And then the fourth one somehow gets the ball back like four times in the final eight minutes. And then the fourth one just, he threw so many picks and ended the game that the defense let him get a 70-yard touchdown. It was unbelievable. It was Deonté Harris had some little slant and just scampered through the time. He was like, he turned about seven or eight times on that touchdown. Yeah, he like switched.

Switchbacks. I think it elevated, and it reminded me who Taysam Hill is, which is the whole reason we talk about Taysam Hill is he's not like, he can't throw the ball.

He had a finger injury in that game. He kind of threw like he had a finger injury like before he was perfectly healthy. Like he's not a quarterback, but he runs so much that he will get you the points. But I think he's elevated

to the Mitchell Trubisky level of like you just don't watch Tateam Hill play if you have him in fantasy. Just look at the scar at the end of the game. If you already have high blood pressure, heart issues, not worth your time. It's like Tim Tebow, man. Tim Tebow, you just couldn't watch the game. You just got to check the score.

Ask your doctor if Taysam Hill is right for you. So it's, yeah, High Fitz Craig and I were texting throughout this whole game, by the way, too, because we all had like some stock in Taysom Hill. And after like a few plays, he went out. I think it was like the first quarter, early the first quarter, he went out because he had, he got the injury to his finger and we're all just like, God damn it, you know? And then like he starts warm. up. He starts getting hot. He has like all these big

runs. And we're thinking, oh, this is good. This is really good. Then he, of course, like he said, he has this three or four interceptions like streak right in the same part of the game. And we're like, oh, God, this guy sucks. And then, of course. It was like a feeding frenzy. Like you were watching all the defenders out there. And the Cowboys

literally, like Trevon Diggs seemed like a shark trying to breach for like all the seals. You know, and the seals are their mating season and all the sharks just wait. Or like the bears waiting for the salmon upstream. There's waiting for these salmon like Tayson Hill ducks to just jump up anyway. Maybe that's a force.

Bottom line, though, bad past. Bottom line, he's supposed to keep starting. But he's fabulous. Based on what we know right now. All the guys you spent the fab on been good. Play Tayson Hill. Just don't watch. Okay.

All right, next step. Here's an oldie but a goodie. That's why I drafted you award. I'm going with Chris Godwin for the Buccaneers. Here's the thing I like about Godwin the most. Not only is he insanely consistent week in and week out, but he mixes in a nice ceiling game here and there too. And he got one of those today, 17 targets, 15 catches, 143 yards.

He added a 9-yard rush, 30 points. A new franchise record, by the way, in catches with 15. And he came into the week as the wide receiver 11 in PPR. And I think he's obviously going to be moving up for this. Like, he's been quietly one of the best receivers in fantasy this year. So under the radar. I couldn't believe when I saw that he was the wide receiver 11 before this game. he'll probably be like number eight now.

He has really been... He's like the Glansburg. Yeah, like I would not have guessed him to be the best box wide receiver this year, but he clearly has been. He's kind of, I wonder if it's because he's kind of just low-key. When he catches his ball, he just like tosses it to the ref and then goes back to the line.

And like he's like very just sort of soft-spoken, it seems like, at least like stylistically. I can't think of a person who's more of a juxtaposition like in terms of their personality from Antonio Brown. Well, that's what I was going to say is he's surrounded by such big characters. You have Rob Grunkowski. You even have Mike Evans, who's known to like fucking get in fights

with Marshawn Lattimore every time they play the Saints. That's like that's kind of what you know about Mike Evans. You have obviously Antonio Brown. Like Leonard Fournett has like the playoff on anything. You have Tom Brady, Bruce Ariens. Chris Godwin's just like they're doing his job. And he's really good. Chris Godwin's the most wholesome person off the field.

He wrote a guest column for Peter King. If you want to read Chris Godwin, Football Morning in America, Google like Peter King, Chris Godwin. And like he just wrote and basically just about how grateful he is for everything. It's really sweet. Also you can just YouTube this really cute video of him and his girlfriend. doing confetti snow angels in the Super Bowl. And like, he's a very wholesome guy, very good to root for.

Not Antonio Brown is the point. To ram this all out, like, when I was putting this guy on the dock, I literally was like, I put Chris Godwin down and I was like, Chris. That doesn't sound right. Is that right? Is that his name? I had to like Google it to make sure I had the name. Chris?

This guy's not named Chris, is he? Chris Godwin. Christopher. That's a fun experiment to do that. Like, if you run into Tom Brady, you could be like, hey, Thomas. It's just kind of odd. So like here, the next guy in my list here, I hopped in the that's why I drafted you award.

I wanted to talk about George Kittle. Isn't it weird if you met him? You'd be like, hey, George, come sit over here. Yeah. That is so odd to me. But anyway, I have to call him George Kittle. George Kittle, 181 yards, two touchdowns today, exploded. He was dominant.

Best tight end of the week looked like, whatever the thing that you tweeted that Gronk was, it was like the healthy version of that. He's like the young, violent version of that. He's like tiptoeing down the same. This is where Kittle got the Gronk comparisons from because he inherited Grank's title as like the best tight end because he was the blocking

and the receiving. And like this was the day where you're like, oh yeah, that was not hyperbo. What he did not inherit was Gromk's consistency. This is the Kittal experience. This is what you drafted him for. It's he had 35 points today. Last week he had one.

He played the whole game. Oh, I know. He was one of our like the DB Cooper, I think, last week. And like you're going to get three to four games because of injury. He's going to miss. You're going to have like two or three massive explosions that pretty much no other Tidane in the league can do.

And then you're going to get a lot of duds. This is what George Kittle is. Enjoy it today because who knows what's going to happen tomorrow. I just want to shout out also the way he got that like second touchdown, which was one of those routes where I don't remember exactly. I don't know if it was an out or a crosser or something, but basically he caught the ball and went out and went up the side. Then it was one of those like, oh, wow, really athletic.

He's going to get like five, six, maybe seven extra yards by like tiptoeing. He just kept going. Yeah. And like I think even the defenders were surprised. I think the guy's blocking him was probably. They all thought he went out. 30 more yards. By the way, he beat Bobby Wagner to, like, he took an angle on Bobby Wagner and beat him

to the sideline, went up to the sideline, scored a touchdown. So it wasn't just like some rando Seahawks defender. It was Bobby Wagner, which is, I mean, obviously Wagner's a little bit older nowadays, but like one of the better defenders the last decade. Also shout up Bobby Wagner, one of the better pod producers here at the ringer. He's all right. Yeah. Let's fight me, Bobby.

let's go. Like Seattle, like Bobby Wagner, I think our Bobby Wagner, you know, he's getting up there in years. He's still serviceable, but you know, we'll see if he's... Trade him now while he still got some value? Yeah, exactly. Probably Yeah, get out of year early. Replace Craig here, I don't know. Okay, anyway,

DK. Yeah, next step, I'm going to do a new category here. The Deep Fake Award, or not? Very 20, 21 of you. Yeah. Did it feel like you're watching a deep fake of Josh Jacobs on the field today? Like, the dude was catching passes. It was bizarre.

It was like, Theo Riddick. This is perfect. Is that Theo Riddick? Is that Jalen Rischard? Is this like DeAndre Swift? So I have to say, I have to tutute for D.K. Right here.

Because I'm a tutuot for D.K.'s. D.K. has been saying that Josh Jacobs can catch for his entire career. And I kind of didn't believe him. Dude, he was really, he was good as a past catcher at Alabama. Like, that was one of the reasons I liked him so much. And that was one of the reasons when he was drafted in the first round, we were like, oh, that makes sense. because they can use them in the passing game a lot.

Otherwise, why would they do this? And then they went ahead and just didn't use him in the passing game, like, at all. Like, I think there was a stat coming into the season. I don't know what it is now, but it was like he literally had had two targets on third down in his career coming into this season. Yeah, and then they brought in Kenyon Drake. That's crazy for a first round. Yeah.

Then they kept, that is crazy. They kept Jalen Rashard, signed Kenyon Drake. It broke his ankle today. Yeah. Yeah, Kenyon Drake's out for the season. So that's why. I think, and that's the context that I think is important here. So, Jay and Reshaw was out on the COVID list.

Kenyon Drake broke his ankle, so he's done for the season. But regardless, Josh Jacobs had 13 rushes, 52 yards, a touchdown, plus nine catches on nine targets for 38 yards. By the way, nine catches for 38 yards isn't necessarily ideal, but in PPR, I'll take it. I saw this actually. Yes, that's like almost 10 points. Of course you'll take. So I guess the context here is number one.

going to continue down the stretch because with Drake out, I think there's a good chance that he will see his passing usage tick up. I don't know if it's going to be quite this dramatic, obviously, because Jalen Rashard will come back at some point. But quietly, and I saw this from Mike Clay, Jacobs has, he's now 13th in targets on the year among running backs and ninth in catches, which is really surprising to me. And he's done that despite missing two games this year in. So basically what I'm saying is quietly Jacobs has become a part of this passing game. It's been sort of like a gradual thing, but over the last like month or so, they've actually used them quite a bit in the passing game. And if that's the case, if that continues, like it changes the whole outlook and profile of Josh Jacobs as a fantasy player.

So I just think it's something to keep in mind and keep watch on now. It's obviously not like you're going to pick him up on the waivers or anything like that. But if they actually start with this new leadership and everything using him in the passing game, it could make him. a lot more valuable going forward than we thought he was coming into the year. Well, D.K. said that Jacobs was quietly. Ninth in targets. Craig, that's a wonderful segue. Speaking of quiet, my next category is called the Silent but Deadly Award. SBD.

The SBD of Week 13 was David Montgomery, who had 24 points today. He got a ton of carries. And I'm also tossing in James Connor, who had 18 points today, in a ridiculous one-handed catch that he ended up scoring on. By the way, my theory is that if James Connor, like if James Connor was just put into Najee Harris's body,

everybody would be saying he's incredible, but just because he's James Connor, no one's saying that. Like, I really do think that if you swapped the Steelers running backs and the Cardinals running backs right now, like they're the same. Like, James Conner's is just as good as Najee Harris right now,

but nobody wants to admit that. No, I don't think it's that. it's that what we always talk about of like once we have an idea of a player we don't want to change. Exactly. Like we all decided James Connor was bad. But the only reason we decided that is because he was on a terrible Pittsburgh team with Duck Hodges and Mason Rudolph.

But when he was with Ben, when they were like kind of healthy, he was like a top 12 guy. And we just, I think he's boring. The real answer is that James Connor is what we all thought Kenyon Drake could be last year. Like when Kenyon Drake was coming into the season

and like has never played for the Cardinals and like, oh, maybe he's like a third round pick. Like Kenyon Drake, this Cliff Kingsbury offense, Kyler could be really good. Kyler's still all the Russian touchdowns. And then coming into this year,

they started running back for the Cardinals somehow was going in like, I don't know, nine rounds later than Kenyon Drake was. It's unbelievable. James Carter's 26 years old and has a touchdown like in every single... Same age as Todd Gurley.

Same age as Todd Gurley. Anyway, I just wanted to shout out David Montgomery, who nobody talks about, who was hurt for a while, but the guy gets 20 carries a game, he's really good. I think he'll be better if Fields is back.

Andy Dalton's horrible. But two guys, like James Connor and David Montgomery will not get talked about a lot in group chats, but those are two guys who could win you fantasy playoff games. This is crazy because I'm looking at the top running backs for today. Giovante Williams is number one. I mean, I just want to shout out Craig who we had a call in the first quarter of. Craig's like, I think Giovante Williams is going to...

No, no, no, I didn't say I think he was going to happen. I was like, if he does have a crappy game, if he's a letdown game, because we were all excited. This is the first game without Melvin Gordon. Everybody thought he was going to explode. You were... I'm just going to say you were nominating him for quite down. different category.

You know, I'm 50 yards after you said that anyway. But the point is Giovanni Williams is number one. But then got David Montgomery, Jonathan Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Leonard Furnett, Antonio Gibson, Sony Michelle, Alex Madison. Is this basically a list of the top five running back first of the season? Kind of. I mean, obviously Jonathan Taylor's number one. Echler fumbled a couple times today, but we'll give Echler two, right?

That's fair. Then. And we'll give Vikings running back Madison, Cook combined, I guess, three. I think Joe Mixins right there. But what's the difference? the top, what is the top five or six? Because is Leonard Farnett, like, in the top three or four? Is Josh Jacobs?

Like, Antonio Gibson, six is, like, the whole list. I think James Connor, is completely different. James Conner's got to be there. James Conner's got to be top seven. If Taylor's, if Jonathan Taylor's his own tier at number one, and then let's say Austin Eckler's, in the second tier, Lenny Farnett's there, James Conner's there? Yeah, but isn't Chase Edmund's coming back at some point?

is he done for the year? He's going to come back, but like, I don't, but James Connor's playing so well. I mean, I don't necessarily know that how much work James is going to take. I mean, let's look, let's do it from an elimination point of view.

Aaron Jones. Also, Edmonds played for a while with James Connor and James Connor was amazing. Yeah, because he was scoring like one year touchdowns several times. Let's do a process of a donation. John Jay Swift, not going to happen because he's injured right now,

and who knows how many games he's going to miss. Ezekiel Elliott. Dalvin Cookers. Banged up. slowed up i don't think it's going to happen probably going down the stretch derrick henry's gone uh i don't think naji's going to do it from an efficiency point of view he's feeling's too low yeah yeah no and i think they're rotating him more the whole he's got the floor we're not the ceiling i think i think he's hit the ricklevin camara still coming off the knee injury i don't know like if he

has it anyway like honestly if tason was under center like he might not have it anyway um Darrell Henderson, now James Robinson, he's kind of in the doghouse after another fumble today. Nick Chubb got Kareem Hunt coming back and so, or is back and so like they're going to have to split stuff.

Yeah, I mean, I think that there's a legit thing here that that he can be like a top five guy. Like David Montgomery, is that who you're saying? Or both Dave Montgomery and Montgomery and James Connor. Montgomery and James Connor in the conversation. We can call it top five, top eight.

Like we're talking, it's just an interesting. group and not the kind of group that we would usually think about. It's really cool that Leonard Fournett, if somebody would have just said when Leonard Fornett was at LSU, that he would be the best player on a Super Bowl, or like he would have had the best performance in the Super Bowl in like four years, he'd be like, oh yeah, that makes total sense.

And you'd have no idea that he had this horrible, horrible three, four-year stretch and then essentially got cut and then signed for like a small amount of money and now has completely revamped his career. He almost got cut from the bucks. Like they almost cut him because it wasn't, He wasn't, I don't know what the deal was. It wasn't like practicing correctly or he had a bad attitude or whatever. And then Ariens had to have like a sit down.

He changed his whole perspective. And all of a sudden he is like, like their stud running back. Like he's just been so good. There was a couple of rounds today where I was like, damn. That was like impressive. He caught a one-handed touchdown. Like he's been playing really well. It's not just volume.

I got to say like I got to give him his props because there's been a couple of plays lately the last couple weeks where I'm like, that was like a grown man. play right there. Who was on him earlier? Who's on Lenny earlier than us? Never, never late. So never wrong, just early. We're just early. That's a good t-shirt. Never late. Never wrong, just early. Never wrong just early. I think you, I'm going to give you two both never wrong just early on Elijah Moore. Because you guys want it. It's more decay to me. Give it a decay. I looked at Elijah more the same as Rashad Bateman as these are rookies who will disappoint you and you have dynasty brain. Elijah Moore's been amazing, fantastic immediately. And even with Zach Wilson, he's good.

and I'm surprised. I mean, so I think the Elijah Moore thing was like, obviously in the preseason, the reports coming out of Jets camp were insanely good. Like, he was the story of training camp for them. And this is also a guy who I really liked coming out from Ole Miss, like dynamic, dynamic player, very explosive, like awesome hands, all this stuff, great route runner. But it was just like he got hurt at the end of camp and then it took him a really long time to work his way back.

because like the Shanahan School of like motivation. Like they started rotating them in. Took them a while to like get back in the good graces of the coaches, all this stuff like just all this annoying stuff I don't need to get into again. But he's been playing a full-time role now for the Jets. And it's been everything that we like hoped and dreamed it would be like in his role where he's actually playing a full, you know, workload of snaps. He had another, let me see here, he had another six catches on 12 targets today.

77 yards in a touchdown plus a nine-yard rush 20 points he should have had another touchdown by the way but zach wilson sailed it over his head he was like wide open in the back of the end zone um but now just like looking back at his last seven games his here's the pbr points in last seven 20.6 9 30 13 13 27 13 10 um and crucially today like i think the biggest thing is he answered the question we also had is can he continue the streak with zach wilson at quarterback he's he's he's he's he's quarterback proof. Yeah. I mean, he's the number one guy

in this offense now. I mean, regardless of who the quarterback is. So, never wrong, just early. We were a little too earlier on Elijah Moore.

And look, I recognize, like, I get excited about rookie players. I got Dynasty Braint. I spend the entire offseason studying these guys,

like spending hundreds of hours like studying these guys. So when they start doing stuff that's fun in the NFL, I get like really excited. So that's the context. But I'm really glad to see him, like be very consistent and he has emerged as like the number one guy.

We saw this last year with Justin Jefferson. Like rookies can do this. Rookies can put up elite numbers. So you just have to be, I think you have to be aware that there's going to be some duds in here. There's going to be some volatility with these guys. But rookie receivers are capable of putting up elite numbers and fantasy. So you have to be kind of like,

I guess ready to jump into the deep end sometimes with these guys. But maybe they're not going to like necessarily pay off right away. I guess that's kind of like the lesson here. Never wrong. Just early. Craig wasn't wrong about Mike Williams. He was exactly on time. And then now, early.

And then early again? Yeah, so Mike bounced back today, 110 yards on five touchdowns. On five catches. I wish it was five touchdowns. The Chargers are six and one when Mike Williams has over 80 yards. Coincidence? I think not. You guys remember, is going to be niche.

Do you guys remember in the movie The Incredibles? the school teacher of dash and dash is that his name? The kid, right? The fast kid? The kid. The kid who runs, yeah.

He would cheat in class. He would run up and look at the answers and run back and the teacher caught him on camera and he's, he has the parents of the Incredibles in and he's showing him on the security camera. He's like, look, right there. There's a glitch right there.

He moves. I know he moves. And he goes, coincidence? I think not. Coincidence? I think not. All right. That was a long run.

way to get there, but I know exactly what you're talking about. There is a direct correlation between them throwing the ball deep down the field to Mike Williams when he's always open and him catching it and then winning the goddamn game. And it even, it happened today in the there was a microcosm of the whole season in the game today. The first quarter, Mike Williams had 92 yards.

They were up 23-0. The rest of the game, they didn't do anything. They had a defensive touchdown and they were stalled the whole game. Michael Ames didn't do anything. And then the final drive. Craig, can I throw a theory out there? They took it away? They don't like go into a week.

could be like, you know what? No long touchdowns to Mike Williams this week. They're trying every week. To be honest, dude. Just sometimes it doesn't work. Our colleague, Ben Solac, was literally commenting after the first quarter, like, the Chargers once again remembered how to run an offense. Let's hope they keep it up, and they didn't.

Yeah, no, I think this has been a thing that's been discussed really, and analyzed very closely. It's like they have a quarterback with a howitzer for an arm, like literally the most gifted, maybe other than Josh Allen, the most gifted physically quarterback. No, it's Mahomes. I can't.

Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, like cannon arms. And they're running like this Bree's offense. Like he's Drew Breeze. He can't throw the wall down.

No one was complaining when Mike Williams was Michael Thomas. I don't want to hear that. Yeah, but a lot of it wasn't that he was Mike Thomas. They were giving him like these deep shots down the field. Like that was obviously helping for his volume and stuff earlier on in the season. I don't know. Whatever.

regardless, like, Craig, you were saying it, like, kind of like tongue and cheek, like, coincidence? I think that, but like, really it isn't a coincidence. It's not, it's definitely not a coincidence. Like, they need these explosive plays. They need Mike Williams to keep going off. It's going to be very interesting to see how he plays down the stretch here because he's a, he's in a contract year, right? Yeah.

And I'm just very curious to see, like, if they get him super heavily involved, if that's, like, a big, big focus for them. And if they can do it, more importantly, if they can do it. because he's got a big payday coming, I think, regardless. But it's going to be interesting to see how he plays because I think the question is, is he going to stay in L.A. or is he going to try and leave in free agency?

So there's a lot on the line here. All right. I'm going to give a Cooper Cup Award, player you wish I had more of. Yeah. I'm going to start with Cooper Cup. Who's really good at fantasy football. Cooper Cup is 304 PPR fantasy points this season,

which is the most for a receiver through his team's first 12. 12 games in 70 years. And so ever. Just say ever. Ever. That's the fantasy football, even if you want to go back to literally when they first did it, I think it was the 60s. So like the most ever through 12 games,

although shout out crazy legs, Hirsch, who had 318 points in 12 games. Crazy legs. Hirsch. What a name. Cooper Cup is unbelievable. And like he had no catch, or two catches for 14 yards for a lot of this game. And then there was like a three or four drives,

uh, section where he just has. like 120 for like a touchdown or something. He's just unbelievable. Yeah, he's really good. Stafford should have got him another touchdown. There was this hilarious replay they had where Cooper Cup standing there, wide open, waiting for the ball, waiting for the ball, waiting for the ball, waiting for the ball.

And then the ball dribbles in like he's fielding a grounder. He's like playing shortstop. And he just looks really dejected. But like he's just always open, man. It's crazy. Love Cooper Cup. This one's one of my favorite categories of all time. No, seriously, who is this person?

award. Tight-end Brock Wright. I've never heard of this person. I thought it was T.J. Hawkinson when he caught it. That's the worst, by the way, when they kind of like have the same build or whatever.

Yeah. I've never heard of Brock Wright. Do you guys know who he is? No. Is that the name for the Venom reporter? I don't know. I haven't seen that. Like the journalist that Tom Hardy plays?

Brock Wright? This sounds like a Marvel. Or not Marvel. It sounds like a superheroy name. Eddie Brock, sorry. Oh, thanks, Mike. Tom Hardy and Venom. Eddie Brock.

Do you guys want to give a guess as to where he went to college? No. Central Michigan. That's actually a really good guess, Craig. But no, it's Notre Dame. Oh. Undrafted this year, 2021. I wonder what he feels about Brian Kelly.

We should ask him. Yeah. Yeah. Deke him knocking on, I thought you were going to have more to say about Brock. No, I'm really watching. to. I'm not going to lie. I'm looking at his Wikipedia right now and there was nothing else of note. That's it. Oh. Wow. Well, that's what an absolute dagger for Brock Wright. Well, he had tough, tough week for Brock. He's the best week he was life. What do you tell me? And then nobody can say

anything about him. Touchdown. Yeah, I don't know. Seems like a good player that scores touchdowns. Yeah. All right. Well, speaking, which, let's flip this around. I'm making up a new award this week for a third time still no charm, which is for Gerald Everett. God damn it. My God. This has fire him. I mean, even think Joe Lever, it's a good fantasy streamer for a while, and I guess he is

because, like, the, you know, he's got the opportunities. I don't want to be mean. But, like, this is like a career defining game, isn't it?

Well, they did win. The CX did win, which helps. That's the only thing. He had two horrible fumbles, and then the most, I think,

the most egregious drop that led to a pick, I've ever seen. So he effectively had three turnovers on himself and two were at the one yard line. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. The pick, the pick was essentially in the end zone. So

the first one was like a, he got stripped on a screenplay. He just dropped the wall. For Seattle, if that wasn't clear, because only Seattle could do these things. And then later in the game, he ran like a out, like an out route or whatever. Russell Wilson found him wide open. It's on third down, I think. Found out he was like wide open for a touchdown. Would a locked in, untouched. And he dropped it.

And then he tried to like bobble it and he bubbled it like three times and like kicked it up into the air. So they could- He hot potatoed it. Yeah. Ten feet in the air. So it could settle very softly like a like a butterfly settling on someone's hands into the defender's hands, made it really easy on them.

And then the third one was like late in the game. There was like, I don't know, a few minutes left in the game. CX are looking to, so they're up by seven. They're looking to basically just like put the final nail on the cough and this is it. We're going to win. Which, by the way, bizarre Pete Carroll. Of course. This was after they'd gone for it on fourth down, which is like totally unlike Pete Carroll.

Pete, I don't know what he was having an existential crisis. Yeah, he was on one. Big Balls Pete is back. Big Balls Pete, by the way, was his nickname at USC, which is like ironic because he's the most conservative coach ever in the NFL. And that was it? No balls Pete now? What is it now? I guess.

Low T. I'm not going to make. I don't know. Anyway, so then, so they did like a little shovel pass. This was like to seal the game. They're going to win the game. It's going to be so easy. They're from the one yard line.

There's one of those Travis Kelsey shuffles, you know? Shovel pass to, by the way, I'm shocked. They even gave him this opportunity because he had fumbled twice before this. Or he'd given up two turnovers before. And then he fumbled it. And then like in perfect classic Seahawks fashion, the 49ers marched down the field and have an opportunity to score. It goes down to fourth down.

They make a stop and they win. But like, it's like, it could have been so easy. This could have been like, I could have been relaxing. I wouldn't have had to like have my heart pressure go up. It would have been fine. Is heart pressure a thing? I would have had my blood pressure go up, my heart rate. Anyway, after saying, I know for a fact, and I apologize to everybody in the past that heard me say this.

I said earlier on the show like in, I don't know, a couple of months ago, like every time Gerald Everett touched his ball, he looks like the best player in the NFL, they need to get him the ball more. I rescind that comment. He's not the best player in the NFL to me. anymore. Why? This is the three turnovers? It was. I know that this has happened.

I'm sure it's happened. But I can't remember as bad of a game. Like, can you remember off the top of your head, like a skill player turning it over three times? I'll tell you, I'll tell you when. It was the Niners. It's Kyle Williams, the Niners punt returner who fumbled twice in the NFC championship game.

Oh, that was bad. That was bad. But like, that's where my head goes. Like, like, I, it was such a bad game for Gerald Everett that I, that I, I just feel bad for him. Like, I forget the, you're an age Seahawks fan. Maybe you're mad, but like, I'm so glad the Seahawks won because if not, it would, you know. It would have been like the guy in the NFC championship game.

I can't even remember his name now, the tight end for the Packers who like went off script and tried to grab the onside kick against the Seahawks and like bobbled it and allowed the Seahawks to wait and go to the Super Bowl. Do you remember this? And he got cut. And then like he was out of the NFL the next year. Oh, my God. Pretty very brutal. I don't think that's going to happen with Everett. And I'm not actually mad because the Seahawks won, but like, it's rough.

Like hopefully he can come back from this. We got to get down to Brass Tack here. I said Brass Tack. It's definitely brass tacks. Like T-A-C-K. Although I don't know what that phrase means now that I just messed it up. I don't know what brass tax even supposed to mean. I thought it was for my whole life.

I thought it was like T-A-X, like Brass T-T-X. But I don't know what that. I wouldn't know what that is either. You guys, I want to be 100% honest with you. I, to this moment, thought it was T-A-S-E. yeah. Yes. I love it.

I know do we want a tangent here about brass or should we just get to the end of the show? I'm going to get to the end of the show. Yeah, I think that's probably

we have a burn book decisions to make here. I got to say I know that there's a nominee. I'm going to vote against it and I struggle to find somebody to add this week. Okay.

Because I briefly thought about Gerald Everett as a Bernbook candidate. Oh, that's just, No, he's not good enough. He's not in enough fantasy and my eyes.

He had a hard enough day. Like, honestly, he doesn't need us. But I think the person who I'm wondering about, I'm just going to throw it out there, is Devante Smith for the Eagles. I'm just throwing it out there.

Yeah, this hurts my heart. He's a non-traditional candidate because he had two straight weeks of 22 points a few weeks ago. But overall, he's just been a very boom-bust receiver. He had three points today in a day where Dallas Goddart went out

and had like the best game of his career. And I'm just, I'm putting forward the candidacy for Devante Smith. Craig, you're already signaling some dissent here. I just think he's been good enough. I mean, he's had two slow weeks. And I'm like, for a guy who's had like a pretty promising rookie year, two slow weeks, I don't know if I'm ready to put him in the book. It feels, it feels hasty. What do you think, T.K.? Yeah, I'm going to agree. I'm going to agree. I think he is like, We mustn't add a player in haste. He did have, yeah, like you said,

Hyfitz, he had week 9, 22 points, week 10, 22 points, week 11, 10 points. I think, and the thing that we've said, you know, throughout the year is that these rookies can be volatile, especially in a rookie, especially a rookie in the NFL's most run heavy team. So I don't think we need to burn him, but I think it's definitely one of those situations

where it's like, we're probably not going to try and convince you to start him against Washington in week 15. They do have a buy coming up, but I don't think it's that. major where we need to put him in the book. Okay. You guys want you guys. I got, I got something.

I got something. Okay. I was, I was going to, okay. Yeah, you go. You go, Craig. Do you have one in your head? Because I'm going to potentially cause an avalanche on this podcast. I'm also potentially going to cause an avalanche.

I wonder, did we land on the, all right. Well, D.K. said, what? Where is this going? I'm very concerned. Let me nominate somebody. Patrick Mahomes. Oh, shit. That would be.

bold. Let me Patrick Mahomes since week seven. Here we go. Eight, 15, 10,

36, 8, 13. No one in fantasy football is more upset with the player than they are Patrick Mahomes. The guy who, Nick, who has him in my big league

at home, so pissed. Basically like, does anybody want Patrick Mahomes? I'm sick of this shit. I got to start him every week,

and it sucks. I have no choice but to start him. You are hamstrung. You are hog-tied to this guy every week and he's been screwing you 80% of the time.

All right, I'll give you an incredible stat right now. This seems crazy, but it's true. If you go by points per game, it's from week seven to week 13, Mahomes is for, I got to count. He's so low down. I have to count manually. So I go ahead. Count.

Counting out. Everyone has to have to have five. He's outside the top 15 over the last seven weeks. He has zero passing touchdowns in the past two games. What do we think? what do we think he's 18th he's 18th by points per game uh just after ben rothusberger what ben rothusberger is better than mahomes

oh my god god what do we tell what are we telling people though if we put him in the book what it what it translate that into advice is that are we saying don't start your pain yeah that's the advice we have no advice like it like you still have to start mohams but it's it's it's it It's a stamp on his season. That's all this is, right?

Honestly, maybe you don't have to play them anymore. 18th and quarterback points per game. And I'm eliminating all the guys who played like two games. I'm doing minimum. You had to play four or five starts at quarterback since week seven, which is, I mean, I'm not counting even like the Mike White's. He's not even on the list. Like 18th.

Man. That's crazy. I think Craig's right. I think Mahomes is in the burn book. I had someone else in mind, but this is way better. This is tough. I want to save mine for another day. I want to say also, in the fantasy playoffs, he's got the Chargers, the Steelers, the

Bengals, and then if you go to Week 18, the Broncos. Like, that's not an easy stretch of games. I don't know, man. Dude, Craig, well done. Yeah, Mahomes is in the Burnbook. That's crazy. All right. For the full Burnbook, we've got Week 1, Rahim Mostert.

Marquez Calloway, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Davis, Alan Robinson, Miles Gaskin, who we'll get it to in a second. Robbie Anderson, Odell Beckham, Gleo Jones, Jarvis Landry, Russell Wilson, Quarleton Sutton, and now Patrick Holmes. Now, Craig, well, you were gone last week. We did a Calisi. We had to unburn someone. We called a Cali-Ans. First of his name, the Unburnt. And because he's just like too good.

The first of his name. So I think that we might need another unburned candidate. No, so we got to do it every week. We got to pull somebody out. No, no, no, no, no, no. We don't have to do it. This is a different case. We decided Deacon had a quorum.

So we made a decision on Miles Gaskin. We had another person, we punted it to this week to talk to you. And the person kept their end of the bargain up. We're wondering if we should unburn O'Dell Beckham. Because we basically burned his Brown's tenure. and we're debating if he should logistically, technically, spiritually get a second chance now that he's on the Rams.

Yeah, it's like when Calisi went from being a Targaryen to like the Calisi for a while there. And then she was like the quia. I don't know, this is this analogy's going off the rails. I didn't get where you were coming from at all right there. My point is she was a Targaryen who was like, you know, off the, she was in wherever she was, away from Westeros,

you know, they had to, they had to, you want me to flesh this out? Keep going to Dalyubin's going to fire you. I'm not wrong. She was away from Westroesie is a Dothraki term. So like if she's Calisi, she's that's a Dothraki title. That's what I'm saying. So when she was,

uh, like she was, her and her brother had been sent forth from the land. And they were like being kept taken care of by that one rich guy. I don't know the name. Are you following hyphids? Did you watch the show. Yeah, I just wanted

know where you're going. And then, this guy, they were like powerless at that point. They were like out on like wandering around. They didn't have anything to do. And then he got, he married her to Caldrogo. And then all of a sudden, she started having her power. Like that's what she, that's like when Odell went to the Rams. God

damn it. Why are you letting me still say this stuff? So is Sean McVeigh, Jason Momoa? First of all, no, she had the power the whole time. It was in her forever. That's first of it's in the canon. That's why she got out of the bath and like her first seat. It didn't burn her. Number two. I'm just talking about the context of where she was. The point is they lit her on fire and she was fine.

That's what we're talking about here. Listen, I think we're a merciful bunch, right? We're a merciful threesome. I think Odell and the Rams, have we ever burned somebody who got traded? This is new for us. Well, let's talk about the game today. He had two catches for 28 yards in a touchdown.

The touchdown was when they were up like 20 points, kind of a garbage time touchdown. My brother texted me when they, O'Dell scored. And he said, smartest move the Rams had made all year, because now Adele will be happy for two weeks. a really good call by your brother. That's true. A lot of ego management on the Rams this year, I would imagine.

He only had 11 points. Like, do you get to be unburned? He had 20 the week before. He had 19, 20, depending on account. He's had touchdowns in the first two games as a RAM. Yeah, listen, because when you unburn somebody, it doesn't mean we're putting them in like the overachieving category. They're just not. Unstarable. Yeah. They're not unstarable. They're not startable. They're back to equilibrium. They're normal.

They're back in the normal conversation of family. to see football. If we put him in the book, like, basically we're like, we're not talking about you again. We're not pulling him out of hell and sending him to heaven. We're just putting it back on the earth. Good place. Stile. Just thrown back into Westeros, see what happens. Yeah. All right. I think we can unburned O'Dell. Odell first of his name, the unburnt. There we go. God, I can't believe you guys let me just go through all that. That was, that was right. I regret not letting you go further. That was rough. I got to be honest. I haven't watched the show in a while. I was kind of forgetting. I was like, are you just going to do the whole show?

That'll be power hour Wednesday. D.K. is going to do his 10 favorite. You guys just go. Game of Thrones. Hey, D.K. Can you explain what happened in Game of Thrones? And then I'll just say, we're going to make him actually do a power hour. We're going to make him drink.

Well, the funniest part though was D.K. I was trying to explain this. But it's like, he was like, where was she? I was like, well, there was like eight cities she went to. And there's zero chance. You know the name of any of them. I mean, I know the name. I just can't remember him.

You have to try to describe the skyline. You know, there's Marine. And then there's like the other one. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, all right, let's get the hell out of here. Prop bets, I went two for three. You guys did less than that.

I went one for three. I was so close. I went one for two. I was so close on Russ. I mean, we said under 229 and a half. He had 131. We were a yard and a half away from that. That's hilarious.

Our long shots, I had Washington and Pittsburgh individually and as a parlay. I think I carried it out in the parlay, but they both won. And then, um, You guys had less than that. It's okay. We are... Why are we letting him say this? It's great.

I thought it'd be polite. It came off really asshole. It did. It just came off really dushy. I regret it. Do you? I do. I feel bad.

Okay. I think that's all we got. Dickey, do you want to explain other Game of Thrones characters' arcs from season one to nine? Yeah, join us next time

where I'll be doing a cliff notes of the entire series. Okay, great. This Wednesday is our last power hour of 2021. Is that correct, Craig? We're going to have a party. Come join us on Wednesday for a real power hour.

We're going to have a power hour. We're probably not going to do a real power hour. We did kind of discuss it and we were like, that's probably unprofessional. Probably. It's probably a Wednesday. We recorded on Tuesday afternoons. Taco Tuesday, though.

A little margarita. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you have power our ideas or just want to peer pressure us. And maybe we can just send enough to our assorted bosses to justify getting, you know, drunk on air on a Wednesday. We'll see. All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Mike Wargon for producing this episode.

Thank you all those doctors fixing all those quarterback fingers out there. Like you're really doing really important work. Thank you for that. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you, Willie Nelson. Oh, Willie Nelson Is that like a burning joke?

Is the only person that Snoop Dog said can outsmoke him. Dude, Willie Nelson's worth a life, man. He's seen some shit and forgotten all of it. Snoop Dog was smoking with Willie Nelson and had to stop because he was like, I was getting too high. He's like, I've never had to do that in my life. That's incredible. That's crazy.

What do you think his equilibrium is? Like, what's normal? Craig was just talking about, you know, being thrown out, getting back to the normal. What is, what is normal? I have no idea. Three joints in, I don't know. How many grams is normal for Willie? I have no idea. Please, if you've somehow made it this far, please send us these related trivia questions for showdown time tomorrow. Please, Willie Nelson, that would be excellent. Ringer Fantasy Football.com. Thank you. That's it. That's all you got. You got no more plugs? What about Green Room? Who are you on with tomorrow?

You do it tomorrow? Green Room tomorrow? It's Patriots Bills. You're going to have William Simmons? William Simmons declined. He was a date with Kyle. Him and Kyle. It's the only Pats game I think all year and not on Sunday. So him and Kyle are hanging.

I was like, oh, okay. Maybe I'll just get Kyle and steal him from Bill. That'd actually be kind of fun. That'd be really funny if you had Kyle. Maybe I'll get Kyle on. Okay, we'll see. Check it out in Green Room after Patriots, Bills. Goodbye, everyone.