The Ringer NFL Show - Week 13 Matchups, Must-Starts, and Must-Benches

Episode Date: December 2, 2022

We kick off our NFL Week 13 preview by discussing all the banged up running backs this week, as well as this week's now-or-never week for Dameon Pierce. We also discuss round four in Mike Evans vs. Marshon Lattimore, Mike White the Second Coming, the Chargers-Raiders shootout potential, a Chiefs-Bengals rematch, and more. Check out our Week 13 Fantasy Football Rankings for this week's positional rankings, and more! Email us! [e-mail] Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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so we haven't watched Pat's Bills. But vibes check, heading into the weekend. You just start with the Sunday scaries. All I can kind of think about heading this weekend, fantasy-wise, all the running backs are just like banged up heading to the weekend,

and it's just really annoying, just all the cues in the lineup. There's so many cues. It's flu season. Everybody's hurt. Everybody is, like, potentially out. CMC. It's flu season.

There's no vaccine for this, unfortunately. Well, I mean, there is a flu vaccine. Right. I'm saying there's no vaccine for hurt running backs. Oh, okay. I was like, there's stuff for flu vaccine. Shall I go on? Josh Jacobs, Naji Harris, Joe Mixon.

I think Nixon's back in full, though. But he has been out. E.T.N. Antonio Gibson. DeAndre Swift, sort of. Full practice, but who knows what the hell's going on with that guy. There's just a lot of guys that are hurt right now, end-or banged up or limited, like the dreaded limited participation. What the hell?

We don't know what that means. The dreaded, gonna give it a go. Oh my God, that's the worst. We need to do a power hour where we rank all the ways that you can be the intro player.

Going to see how he feels in warmups. Test it out. Oh my God. Kill me. Well, also, I had a lineup, I forget who it was, but it was something like McCaffrey,

Camara, Tyree Kill, like, you know, juju, and it was just Q, Q, Q, Q, and again, I'm fucking pissed that there's no probable

designation anymore. And it just reminds, you know that ESPN commercial from a while ago where Shaq was playing Scrabble? And someone's just like, where'd you get so many cues? He's like, don't worry about it. Like, that's my entire lineup.

And I'm like, I'm just sick of this. Bring back probable, please. Freaking me out. I'm getting Sunday scares. Well, so I wanted to get a little more specific with the RB injuries. So there's one game where potentially the running back injuries don't matter.

And that is the Niners Miami game because we have Kyle Shanahanan going up against Mike McDaniel, teacher versus student. And it doesn't matter what running back's playing this game, which is what we've learned. So CMC's banged up. Eli Mitchell's out for six to eight more weeks with an MCL injury, that poor guy.

Mostard is limited. Jeff Wilson hurt his calf last week. He seems to be fine and like he's playing. But he's got the knee soreness. Right. I guess he has Patelor tendonitis, which doesn't sound as, I don't know. The knee-sornness sounds awful because it's too vague, but Teller Tendonized Sends Baggs is too specific.

So on the Niners side, with McCaffrey's knee stiffness, Taryn Davis Price, Tevin Coleman? Which one's it going to be? It's like the Dase and Confuse quote. The Dase and Confuse quote is what I love about Shanahan offense. It doesn't matter who's playing running back. They're always good. Yeah, so I don't even know.

So I think Tevin Coleman is still on the practice squad. I'm Googling him right now to see if they've elevated him yet. And Jordan Mason was the guy. last week, but the reason for that was because he was active and Turing Davis Price was not and Jordan Mason is typically active because he plays on special teams. Here's my take. If they activate

Tevin Coleman from the practice squad before this game, he probably will be the relevant guy behind McCaffrey. Kevin Coleman might be related to Calhanna. I think he just loves him. There might be some nepotism in there. That guy follows him wherever he goes. He loves Tevin Coleman. How old is Tevin Coleman?

30? I think he's like 46. Tevin Coleman's like 29. I guess that's fine. And that's not true. That's fake news. The other thing that's like, to me, is misleading about the NFL rules for the practice squad stuff is now the practice squad can be literally anybody. Like you sign a guy to your practice squad. You can be like 35. You're looking at this too.

It's like the Steve Fischemi meme. Hello fellow kids. Like 32 year old of James Murray is on the practice squad. The 21 year olds were a juco. But also like can't they, they're just at practice. Like you could have Kevin Coleman be taking first team reps. is a practice squader, or do they have to be in, like, a different room?

They're in the practice squad room. They definitely are in a different schedule, but I used to know this works. It's basically, I think the big difference is, like, what they do on Wednesdays, but it's like, depends on the team.

Anyway, the bottom line is, Tevin Coleman could come in and be the starter. It doesn't matter. Like, should you start Tier Davis Price or in no circumstances should you think about that? No, no, no. If you, well, first of all,

if you're down bad, there's only two teams on buys, like, if you have really, we'll see how, who's actually missing time. If Tevin Coleman gets elevated from practice squad to the active roster, I wouldn't touch any of these guys except McCaffrey, obviously.

If they don't promote Tevin Coleman, I actually would be fine if you throw a dart throw a Tieran Davis price because they obviously really, so far, don't put Tyrion Davis Price on the roster unless he's going to play running back because he doesn't really do special teams. Obviously, it's like an immense risk. But like if you're talking about,

like Tyrion Davis Price or like, you know, Amir Abdullah, but Josh Jacobs is going to play. Like Josh Jacobs is like playing in this game, but you're rolling the dice with like another random running back or Samaji P. Ron, you're hoping Joe Mixon like subs out more. Like, yeah, go with Tyrion Davis Price. You might have a huge roll. You get like 15 carries.

But you also could get zero. I don't know. I mean, like Jordan Mason could still be the guy. That's the thing. We don't know. Fucking Shannon. I think it's realistically add these guys and then see what happens and go from there. What do you guys think is going to win this game?

Oh, my God. Good question. I think this is the most interesting game in the week. The easy answer, I think, is the Niners because the dolphins are more injured. Like, you know, the dolphins don't have Tehran Armstead. Well, they might not. He might give it a go. Yeah.

Give it a go. He's going to test it out in pregames. See what feels in the morning after some yoga. I just did the NFL show, Stephen Reeves, and Solek, and they were talking about, they actually both think the dolphins basically. they were talking about how Fred Warner is just such an incredible true force multiplier on defense

and you can do three things at once but like is that going to actually work against the dolphins and Tyree Kilwin-Waddle. Obviously McDaniel's a really good understanding of how that all works. So I was surprised because the Niners giving me four and a half points in this game. Yeah. I mean, Miami hasn't played a lot of really good teams since Tua came back from the concussion.

So this is like their first kind of real test defensively. The Niners have been really good like down the stretch. You know they haven't allowed a touchdown in the second half since week eight. This is the most incredible stat, yeah. They just clamped down on people. So I kind of keep going to the Niners, and I also, I don't know, man,

big picture, I do feel like one of the themes of the season is like physicality and defense are kind of back. And I do think it's tough because, in one hand, the Dolphins offense has been so incredible. On the flip side, it's like, who if they play? It's like the Texans last week. They played the Bears. Like, the teams they've been beating up on were awful.

And I'm like, I think that they're, probably somewhere between like this record-setting pace of like 30 plus points per game over the last few weeks and where they were in the first beginning of the season where we weren't quite referring to them as that, you know, genius. It was like, wow, this offense looks really different. I kind of think the Niners are going to win. It's kind of like the immovable object versus the unstoppable force. Like Miami is the best first down team in the league. The Niners are the best first down defense in the league. Like something is going to have to give in this game.

I think I would lean the Niners as well. I saw this stat. This is kind of completely non-sequentered, but it's about. Tua, because Tua is like the most controversial quarterback in the league in terms of, is he good or not? 38% of Miami's passing yards come after the catch, which is the lowest rate in the league.

How do you have Jalen Waddle and Tyree Kill? And you have the lowest yards after catching the league. You know why that is? Because he underthrows them every single time. So I just asked So like this. And Solek basically, his answer was Tua is being coached to throw the ball between the defenders and the receivers are being coached to just get to the spot and kind of go down.

Yeah. which I agree with so like to a degree. I also think if you just watch these plays, they are running back to the ball like too much. Like they're stopping. Yeah, but that's like such a small percentage of the actual plays in a game though. But it's interesting because in theory.

Yeah, but that's the difference between a 40-yard catch or an 80-yard touchdown. But in theory, it's weird because the entire concept. But their offense is still awesome. I know, that's the thing. They're like still a really good offense. I don't know. It's so weird to think about that

because the whole thing with the shanahan stuff is it's like you get the ball the players in space and let them do stuff and the dolphins being last you're like

but you have two of the five fastest people in the sport but yeah definitely not would never have guessed that am I like if you guys gave me that

I never would have guessed because I thought they're like the last team you'd expect yes yeah yet they're first in yards per round one

I mean they're third in yards though just for the record like they're a good offense winning games Yeah, what are they tied to first in the AFC? It's the middle of the field. It's the team that lives in the middle versus the team that doesn't let anyone live in the middle.

So I kind of think the 90s. I like defense again, man. They should have flexed this game to Sunday night. Yeah, well, they wanted to flex the two of Herbert stuff because it's better for the old ratings. I'm going Niners. Craig, you're on Niners. Dekal, who do you think wins this game? I'll go Dolphins. Oh, there's Sunday scaries.

This is just specifically fantasy. Miles Sanders, since we were talking about a bunch of running backs, and injuries and things. Throw in Miles Sanders against this Titans past funnel defense. Basically the Titans have one of the best

run defenses in the NFL. Their fifth best in fantasy points allowed for running backs. They haven't given up more than 66 rushing yards to any single running back since week one.

Like, Sequin went off in week one, and then no one's rushed for over 66 yards since. That's not a whole team. That's an individual running back. However, Titans are giving up

the second most points to receivers and the sixth most points to quarterback. So, like, I think this is going to be, you know, based on just like the style of that defense, it's probably going to be, they're going to rely more on Jalen Hertz as a passer. I mean, he might get out and run around too. But I just am a little worried about what Miles Sanders can do in this game. What do you guys think of that one? Yeah, you can, but you have to play them.

You do, you have to play them. But it's always tough in general, even if they're not playing a good defense, just having a running back whose quarterback is one of the best runners in the league is like always anxiety inducing. It's coupling that with the Titans. I don't know. I mean, if you're like between him and somebody else who's like a fringe top 20 running back, I could see you leaning the other way. It's also tough because I think one of the parts of doing this that's kind of difficult is that if a team's running like an option, the point of the option is to not block a defensive end.

And then the defensive end basically either comes at the quarterback in which case you give the ball of the running back or the defensive end plays the running back and the quarterback keeps it. But the defenses know this. So they like coach the defensive end to pick. and they plan, they're like, okay, this week, you know, maybe they're like, Justin, you know, one of the, you're kind of, the defense is generally speaking, going to go into the week being like, okay, we want the quarterback to run it this week. We're going to try to force the handoff this week. You know what I mean? Like, they're going to go one of the other. But like, we don't know which way Mike Frable. Like, so it was, like, it gets kind of up to Mike Rable to be like, all right, guys, if in this situation, like, we want Jillen Hertz to give the handoff or actually, we want Jillen Hertz to keep, maybe they're going to do, like, Jillen Hurst is to keep it because he got hurt last week. I was going to say, wouldn't you want the quarterback to take as many hits as possible? That's the thing. They're like, you know what?

Jailen Hertz kind of got jacked up last week against the Packers, even though I had the 180 yards, but he kind of stopped running because he got hurt right before halftime. And if I'm the Titans, they're like, we don't want Miles Senors get the ball. Let Hertz run it. I know it's just an option plays, but. That's interesting. Yeah.

When I think about quarterback running, to me, it's like if I imagine I'm a defender in the NFL, letting the quarterback run just sounds like a terrible idea. Like, to me, it's the most demoralizing when they run for like 15 yards and slide and you can't even hit them. But I think the scrambles are the most demoralizing. Like, the quarterback, like, when you, like, have a great coverage and the quarterback

has nowhere to throw and he's bouncing in the pocket and he escapes, and then your cornerbacks, like, actually hold up in the secondary for like six seconds. Oh, yeah. And then the quarterback just runs for 20 yards anyway. Like, that's the most frustrating thing, I think can possibly happen.

That's possibly the most demoralizing non-scoring play in the NFL. But, like, at the same time, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't, most of the time, These quarterbacks are smart. They slide. You can't even hit them. And it's like, oh, that was an easy 15 yards.

Let's move on to the next play. At least with forcing to give, like you get to run and hit and play physical. And that's all stuff like, you know, Rable probably believes. And so I don't know. I'm just thinking philosophically that would be an interesting decision to make. Plus, Hertz is one of the best runners, like, period, in the NFL. Like, he, when he's running, he doesn't even look like he's trying, but he just, like, blows by guys. I don't think there's a smoother runner in the NFL.

Yeah, it's kind of like when. Jared Goff runs, but the opposite. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, yeah. Well, I'm just thinking, like, when Kyler runs, it looks like he's in fast forward, and he's obviously very fast, but like when... Wait, didn't you say, didn't you say Kyler has the energy of,

like, a toddler that has stolen his mom's phone? He's running around the house with his mom's phone. Just like, well, I can't get me. Yackety Saxis playing. Yeah. But then, like, Hurts barely looks like he's trying. And just, like, picking up chunk yards. Anyway.

I think this is going to be a very fascinating game. Again, there's a lot of really good games this week, actually. Yeah, well, speaking of good games, the other one, the Chiefs Bengals game, it's just fantastic. Like, the Burrough Mahomes, like, everything about this is fun. Like, obviously, the AFC championship game, the Chiefs blew this lead. And, like, I kind of think this might be the best weekend of the year for football. Yeah.

Like, Chiefs Bengals, Dolphins, Niners. Dude, even Jets Vikings, which we'll get to later, like, Jets Vikings is like... It's a good game. Really great. Like, there's just a lot of. really good stuff. Yeah, I think Raiders' charges would be really fun.

You know, Buck Saints, yeah. There's a lot. Chief Spengles is wild because, like, the Chiefs' offense, if you look at, like, a lot of metrics, but, like, one of the best metrics we have is, like, expected points added per play. And if you just sort by, like, expected points added per play for, like, the last 20 years,

the Chiefs have their best offense in, like, since Mahomes' first year. But, like, it's literally, like, the offenses that are ahead of the Chiefs this season are, like, Peyton Manning's Broncos in 2013. when they broke all the records.

Peyton Manning's Colts in 2004 when he won MVP, like the undefeated regular season Patriots, the Patriots in 2011, Aaron Rogers and the Packers in 2011 when he won MVP and they won the Super Bowl. It's just like,

if you just ticked off your head, like what are like the seven best offenses of the last 20 years? It's all of those, and then it's the Chiefs this season. Like they're kind of better that Tyree Kill. This is why I'm picking the Chiefs

to win the Super Bowl. I think we're all just bored of them because they're good every year, but the Chiefs are easily my pick. It's like the LeBron. Yes. It is exactly. Every year.

From like 2009 to like 2018, like you could argue he should have won it every year. Let's pick someone else. Yeah. It's the Derek Rose MVP year. Yeah. Just like, we're just bored. It's like Mahomes.

But the fact that they got rid of Tyree Kill, it's so funny to think they got rid of Tyree Kill and the offense is actually more efficient in a way. And they, especially because they're, dude, I had some stats on like the Chiefs collapse in the second half against the Bengals.

And it's also, what's so interesting is it was the opposite of what happened the whole season. What was the book I'm beating the Chiefs? It was the too high thing, right? Bengals played a lot of too high in the first half. Mahomes's QBR, the quarterback rating, was like a 98 out of 100.

That's good. And in the second half, the Bengals went one high and just dropped eight into coverage. And his QBR was a 1.4 out of 100. Man. In the second half. And it was the worst half of his career. That's crazy, too, with Andy Reed at, like, coaching that.

You know what I mean? Like, how does that happen? It's crazy. I think they just, honestly, I think the simplest answer is sometimes we forget these are just people who like practice specific situations a lot so they are like habit and you don't have to think about it. And I kind of just think the Bengals dropped eight into coverage and Mahomes just had not spent any time thinking about eight people in coverage for like the entire year. And it just kind of broke his brain. He's made two dumb turnovers and it was it. So I kind of think the chiefs are going to, I kind of do think the chiefs are such a better team and that Joe Burrow being Joe Burrough is like the only way they can really win this game.

Well, there's obviously Jamar Chase. He's been limited all week. He says he thinks he's going to play. Obviously, that's a huge factor in this game if Jamar Chase plays. But he had the Michael Gallup where it's like he was way too irrational about his injury to be like, is he's going to play on Sunday? Like, Reverend Michael Gallup, and they were like, he's like, I'm not ready.

He's like, I can't, I couldn't do it. Nope. My hip hurts. There's the J.K. Dobbins of like, you know, you guys don't know what Jesus and I have been working on to be ready. And then there's the Michael Gallup of like, I don't know if that's a realistic estimate. Like, Timor Chase sounded a lot lower like Michael Gallup.

Next award here, Craig. Yeah, man. This is the debutante ball, but the opposite. RIP. Is this RIP to debutante season? And I'm going to give this to Damien Pierce. Is the Damien Pierce run officially over? Since he became a starter, he's been a top 20 back in the league.

Last two weeks, he's had 15 rushes for 16 yards. The Texans are awful. and they're getting worse. They haven't had a lead in the second half since week five. Jesus. The one caveat is that the Texans haven't led in a second half since week five. Holy shit. Yeah, they're bad.

Dude, have you seen some of the crowds that they've drawn in the last few weeks? It's been sad. But the caveat is that over the last two weeks, they've played two really tough run defenses. They've played Miami and Washington. And now they're playing Cleveland, who's terrible in pretty much every metric against the run. So, you know, we have him just outside our top 20 running backs-wise and our rankings.

But if not this week, then I think the Damien Pierce thing is over. And you, I'm not going to say you should drop him. But if he can't put up a decent performance this week, you can't use him at all in the playoffs. I agree with that, Craig, big time. I think the thing with Damien Pierce is he's playable this week just because they're playing the Browns and the Brown. Texans' only chance of winning this game, really, is Damien Pierce running for 130 yards in this game and like controlling the clock. But after this, like real crunch time,

like either the fantasy playoffs or the last movie, the regular season, whatever, Texans are playing the Cowboys, the Chiefs, the Titans, and the Jaguars. So the Cowboys, are the Texans, are the Texans getting like 15-point, maybe 17-point underdogs to the Cowboys? Like, that's going to be crazy.

The Chiefs, I mean, what are they going to do against the Chiefs? That's maybe another 15, 17-point underdog. Titans, we were just talking about how good they're run defenses. So it's like, if Damien Pierce is bad against the Browns, it's not even that he's dropable because he's bad, but it's more like, what world are you going to play him? Right.

If he can't. And then the flip side, even if he is good, how do you play him against the Cowboys, the Chiefs of the Titans? It feels like impossible, honestly. It's kind of depressing.

15 carries for 16 yards. I just can't get over that. That's the last two games. They're just not giving him the ball as much either. They used to come. They committed much more to him. I could do that. I'm obsessed with that now ever since that.

Dude, Stephen A. Smith, when the Zach Wilson, where they lost. I'm like, because I feel like that's one of the things that you have to like not never do is like I could do that.

And then Stephen A. Smith was like, Zach Wilson at the negative 24 net yards or whatever in that Patriots game. Stephen A. Smith's like, well, I could do that. Stephen A. Smith is in like the Tyson zone but like in a positive way where he can say whatever he wants it, it's fine.

Dude, he was late. I don't watch First Take a lot, but I'm not going to lie. Sometimes I've come to the point where Stephen A's just so entertaining. It's performance art. It is. And I saw it on Twitter that he wasn't there. And I was like,

what do you mean? he's not there. So I turn on first take because I just, and it was like, he was late. He was in traffic on the West Side Highway or whatever, and he just straight, and they had video of him running into the office

with his security guard. He's a crazy guy. Just like us. Yeah, bathrobe just walking his dogs, like looking around at him. And he's just sprinting. And he like, Kishon Johnson and it's just on the show.

And like, they're like half talking about the topics, half like, I can't believe this dude makes so much money and didn't make a show up to the show. I can't believe they have me here. It was, I don't know.

I love stupid A. Me too. We're going to look back on him and really, really. Like Michael Jordan in his prime. We should have appreciated him a lot more. Yeah. Honestly, once Skip left, it was kind of like, okay, you know what? This is like more okay to watch now.

I don't hate myself as much for consuming it. Anyway, next award here, TK, what we're talking about good games. Yes. Jets Vikings. I'm going to call this the Legends of the Fall Award. Is it still fall? It might be winter. It's cold.

Okay. Legends of the Fall Award. Mike White Edition. I just want, I'm obsessed with legend building Mike White right now for some reason. What is Legends of the Fall? Is that a reference? Are you fucking kidding me? You don't know what the Legends of the Fall movie?

Craig, help me out. This is a famous movie. I mean, I've never seen it, but I've heard. Oh, all right. Craig hasn't, then I don't feel bad. I've heard of it. I've never seen it. Legends of the Fall?

It's Brad Pitt. It's like a very famous movie. It came out before I was even born. Well, that's not really a great experience. excuse, but that's fine. I mean, it is. I'm not gonna lie. I've got my whole life. I don't even know if I've ever heard of this. Oh, you haven't been alive that long. I fit. So like, you should watch movies that are a little bit more. Anthony Hopkins isn't, I know, but like I, wow, Anthony Hopkins Bradford. What is this even about? Usually I wouldn't like shame anyone for not watching like a movie

that was whatever, however old it is. But like, to me, this is like one of the more famous movies? Brad Pitt. I feel like I have never heard of this. I feel like it's not discussed. What the fuck? So is Brad Pitt Anthony Hopkins son? That seems sick. Tristan Ludlow, Colonel William Lowe. It's an epic movie. It's like it follows like their whole life.

Seems boring. In the early 1900s, three brothers and their father living in the remote wilderness of Montana are affected by betrayal, history, love nature. Boring.

They all go to World War I. It's an epic story. It's based on a 1979 novella. Dude, I legitimately can't believe you guys haven't seen it. It won the Oscar for Best Cinematography, which means it's boring.

It's definitely a really good movie. It's not boring. Anyway, I'm just kidding. I'm sure it's good. I'm sure Sean, Mike White. So speaking of really good but boring to watch,

Mike White. I mean, that's fair. I just want him to win this job and be like the long-term start for the Jets. I'm like fully invested in this show. Wait, what is the Legends of the Fall reference mean?

Oh, yeah. Thank you for the follow-up. Is it a good thing? It's the fall, and I'm legend building Mike White. I'm building Mike White's legend. Oh, Oh, so you kind of took it literally.

It's like a pun, yeah. So we actually didn't need to talk about the movie at all. I was assuming you guys had watched the movie, and it was just going to be something that we talked about for half a second. I thought the title was in reference to like someone's decline, legends of like the fall, not the time of year. I don't actually know the etymology behind the name of the movie. You watch the whole movie?

It's not clear. Am I watching it? How many movies are like that? About like a waterfall? I don't know. Okay. You just have no idea. You have no idea.

How is that possible? Hold on. Well, we got to Google it now. Name. No, this is crazy. What's the movie about? The title refers to the biblical fall from innocence. Oh, I was right.

Oh, the fall from like Adamity, I need the fall of man. All right. That's interesting. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have any thoughts on either what just transpired, me not knowing the movie exists, Or if there are any other movies you can think of where you see it in the movie and still don't get the title.

Because that feels very hard. There's a lot of those. Anyway, what do you guys think about Mike White? I actually think the Jets are going to... I actually kind of think the Jets are going to win this game, man. Like, the Vikings, I think it's a good game. Dude, the Jets' defense is legit. And I kind of think the Jets' like pass rush

is going to be a big issue. And I know the Vikings have, like, you know, been scoring points regardless. But I don't know. Man, like Christian Darasaw, they're, like, kind of their best tackles hurt. And, like, you know, Barnwell had a great comment that the Vikings, I think the right guard, might be just the worst linemen in the NFL, like, period. Like, then the combo of that guy guard and then the backup for Darasaw, kind of the worst,

maybe the worst two linemen in the entire league. And it's like, you know how hard it is for a guard to give up seven sacks in his season, like in 12 games? Like, that's just not a thing. Yeah. So I think the Jets, like, loki, like their front deep line is so. so good. And Quinn and Williams

has been like unbelievable this year. I kind of think they're going to get to Kirk and it combined with like Garrett Wilson and the Jets receivers like, I had a friend text this morning

should play Garrett Wilson and Gabe Dave and I was like dude, Garrett Wilson. Oh, the Vikings? The Vikings? Just kidding.

They just play off. They play off. They play off, don't they? They just allow everything underneath, which is actually what Mike White loves. He just picks that apart. Check that.

You know why? Big secret. Top secret. Just give the ball to the good players. Love that. Some of the reasons I was talking about Legends

is because just some of the quotes that are coming out about Mike White the last couple of days are just great. Like Robert Sala said, he's very calm, very cool, very coachable,

great presence in the pocket, quick delivery. It's almost like he lowers his heart rate. It's not big for him. All right. What are we talking? Mike went to say two and five in his career.

Dude, he has an eight touchdown, eight interception line in his career. Well, yeah, Mike White is like a band that goes... No,

Mike White's like a band that goes mainstream. Like Mike White Lash of Cricks like I love Mike White. Now everyone's like, I love Mike White and Craig's like band got too big. I'm out. I like the whole stuff. Can we feel that? It sucks. He beat the bears in the rain. Like, let's chill. Oh my God. But the other thing, that the other quote,

earmuffs if you're with kids. Because this is so funny to do. Connor Hughes tweeted out that so Mike White, I guess, told the story that after 300 yards and three touchdowns, his wife comes up to him after the game and says, who are you? And it reminded me of, you know, that scene in Breaking Bad where Walter White

like he starts like you know like messing with Skyler like during like a PTA meeting and then they have sex in their car and then she looks at him and he's like who are you? Mike White got his mojo back baby Mike White's breaking bad

oh my god Legend of the fall Walter White all these quotes man the legend is growing with Mike White if he beats if he wins this game beats the 9 and 2 Vikings starts to lead the jets to like a short playoff birth,

maybe even make them pretty interesting in the AFC playoffs. Come on, this is what we're talking about. This is also a big fraud watch for me. This is, I'm doing a lot of playoff prep

with this game. This is a very realistic, I know these teams are in different conferences, but like, these are two playoff teams, and I need to see how each team responds in this game. I think that this is the most,

this is easily the most legit Jets team in a decade. And like, it's just, I think Saul is so legit as a coach. And I think the Jets, I dare, this is the kind of,

a game where if the Jets win, you can be like, okay, like, is this decade of or higher existence, depending on you want to measure, like, dare I say, it's the kind of game that if they win, I think the Jets could be on the verge of competency. I know that's kind of heresy, and a lot of Jets fans are being mad that I even suggested that, but...

puts a lot of pressure on this offseason for the Jets to figure out quarterback, considering their roster. It's super easy. Just fucking trade a first and a second to Packers for Aaron Rogers, and you're fine. You got it. Like, it's going to be okay. Just do that. Speaking of fraud watch, though,

also Giants are playing Washington. I'm terrified about this game. Twice. They're playing the next two games of Giants player versus Washington, right? No, so the next two games that Washington plays against. So the Giants,

Giants are going Washington, Eagles, Washington. And then Washington's going, Giants by week, giants. So weird. Has that happened before? That's barely ever happened.

Why? I want to ask you, I want to ask you. So here's the thing with the stakes. Both these teams, their playoff odds right now, are basically like two and three. but that's kind of fake because like

if either the Giants or Washington win both these games against each other their odds of winning or making the players like 100% and then the odds of the team that loses both are like really bad so am I just kind of salt like I'm not objective am I just a salty Giants fan for being like isn't it like a borderline competitive advantage that Washington gets to play the Giants

like prep for a week play the Giants and then go one by and then spend two weeks planning to play the team that they just played that's kind of annoying Yeah. So what you're saying is it makes more sense to bet the second Washington Giants game on Washington. If you could bet that now, it's like, how could that not be a competitive advantage? It's like, I know the division teams to see each other all the time, but the Giants have to then plan for the Eagles.

The second one's in Washington, too. I know. It's annoying. So anyway, I'm pissed about this. And then honestly, it's frustrating because like if the Giants lose to Washington, you know, let's be real. Like, they're probably, they could beat the Eagles. I think divisional games, whatever, like anything can happen. But if the Giants lose to Washington, they're probably going to lose the Eagles.

And then they're coming back and not to be dramatic, that Washington game is for the playoffs. That is a playoff game for the Giants because if they lose Washington Eagles, Washington, they're not making it. So I'm stressed that if the Giants lose this game, like their season is on the line. And the only hope they have, honestly, is that they get like eight starters back because, again, people continue to underrate how thin the Giants are playing. Like the cornerbacks, they might get three cornerbacks to the back, three O linemen. maybe Daniel Bellinger at tight end and two defensive linemen. So that is like the best hope they have.

It's just literally eight players returning. I didn't quite realize how big of a game this is. This is exciting now. Can I tell you something? Please. If the Giants lose this game and then they go and lose in Philadelphia, you should give up on the season.

You need the bottom out. What did I say? What did I say in August? The worst thing that can happen to the Giants this season is playing well enough that they give Daniel Jones a contract extension. Yes.

And here I am being like, we need to make the playoffs. And I'm like, I really hope that they could make the playoffs and be smart enough to get rid of Jones. However, yes,

because here's thing, if they missed the playoffs, honestly, I'll be like a little upset that again, every NFC's team will make the playoffs except the Giants.

Like, that'll suck. Eagles and Cowboys are going to be like legit Super Bowl contenders. That sucks to watch. However, you know,

much easier it is to trade up to a top pick, like to go get, trade up for break Young or whatever or trade up for Cedger Stroud, whoever, when you're at like the 14th or 13th pick than like 22, it's so much easier for the team with like the third pick to be like, yeah, there's still a good player at 13 versus like they don't want the guy of the 21.

Right. You know what I mean? The Jaggles don't want to go down to the 21st pick. You guys are just so close to this finally being over and you can't spoil it by one final season where you could sneak into the playoffs and losing the first round. It's not worth it. You've come this far. Bottom out.

right of Daniel Jones. I will say the cultural effect, I do think it's not bullshit of like making the playoffs, like matters and being good matters. And like the bills, this happened to the bills. They made the, remember they broke that playoff streak?

Annie Dalton had like the Bengals beat or tied someone. And then all the bills fans remember with donating Dalton's charity and Kyle, remember that Kyle, Kyle, um, Kyle, Kyle, um, Kyle, Kyle Smith,

the D-Lime was like crying in the locker room. That was with like Tyrod Taylor quarterback. They played the Jaguars in the playoffs. It was like a really sad playoff game. But they broke the playoff streak. Then they got Josh. shell and they still tore the team down completely to the studs. I kind of think the Giants will do

that even if they make the playoffs. Believe, believe. I'm a little, yeah, exactly. Anyway, I think in this game, Sequin hasn't been the same since he hurt his shoulder, and I kind of think they're going to get on the line. Next award, Craig. Yeah, Mario Kartrein'

Rainbow Strip Award for, you know, the defenses that give the offense is the biggest boost. This Chargers Raiders game, I can't wait to watch. I think it's going to be the most chaotic game of the season, or of the week, I mean, maybe the season. It was last year. So I don't know if you guys remember, these two teams played in week 18 last year to get into the playoffs, winners in. And Justin Herbert had perhaps the best fourth quarter slash overtime performance in the

regular season that I can remember from a quarterback. And mind-boggling combination of throws, right? I went back, I watched the highlights today. In the final five minutes of the fourth quarter plus OT, Herbert converts a fourth in 21 for a touchdown. He converts, then he converts the two-point conversion, then he gets the ball back, converts a fourth and ten in the final two minutes, a third and ten in the final minute, then with three seconds left, he throws a 12-yard touchdown to force OT. Then in OT, he completes a fourth in nine for 45 yards

to set up the game-tying field. Oh, my God. It was an unbelievable performance, never got the ball back. Here's the thing with that, too. Like to give this, first of all, like, what you just said, fourth and 21, fourth and 10, third and 10, touchdown, fourth and nine. Like, that's unbelievable.

The throws were just as good as you can imagine. But the stakes, literally the last game of any team in the regular season against your division rival, Raiders, for a win and in playoff game. Yeah. This is literally the, this is a playoff game. The entire season is riding on this moment

against your rival, and this is what you pull out of your ass. And so this is where I kind of get mad when people, like, well, Herbert doesn't donate anything in the playoffs. It's like, Motherfoot, what more pressure do you want to see than win this game and you make the playoffs? And you're like, that, again, that is the playoffs, essentially. It becomes the playoffs. I'm not trying to be dramatic.

Though that final five minutes, three minutes, whatever it is, is as good a performance if you take Tom Brady in the second half of the Falcon Super Bowl out. That performance is as good as anything I think I've ever seen. At the very least, it's like vintage Peyton Manning end of game, like the way he used to just go down the three-minute offense, except with the entire season on the line. It was as good as anything,

and it's kind of nuts that they're going to do it again. This is why I'm so bummed that the charges are really beat up. I really hope Mike, I hope Mike Williams sits out this week, and I hope they can get healthy, and Rashon Slater can come back, and everybody can be kind of intact to the playoffs, because I just so desperately want to see what Herbert can do when he actually has like a full team around him.

And like his internal organs are all like properly protected by your cage. You know, that seems important. He said, did you hear last week the announcers were talking about that when he gets tackled in certain ways, he can feel his ribs moving? Oh, my God. Just makes you wince. It's like a shiver up your spine. Are the Raiders still mathematically like in it?

Or is this just kind of like a Chargers thing only? They're four and seven. No, I think the Raiders are eliminated and like low-key. I think the playoff picture is really weird last year. I feel like last year the playoff picture was like everyone can make it still. This year, quietly, it's kind of like there's only nine teams for the seven spots in AFC. But you know how they have to put the third team in the In the Hunt graphic? They always put the team.

If the team's not very good and they're playing on Sunday night and they show the in the Hunt graphic, they always just toss in the team that's playing tonight. So it's like teams actually in the hunt. are like the Patriots and the Chargers are six and five and then every team in the playoffs is seven wins and the two six wins. But there's no team with five wins in the AFC.

It's just the Colts, Jaguars, Raiders, and Browns are all four and seven. So in theory, if the Raiders win, there'll be five and seven or whatever, but in the hunt because they'll be like the third team. There's five games left. I mean, if they win out,

they're still in it, obviously. But yeah, I mean, to me, the only reason I was asking is just like six games left, I think. Yeah, six games left. Yeah. So they can go 10 and 10. They have to go 5 in 1.

Yeah. My fault, yes. At a minimum. But like this could be like sort of a, you know, fork in the road for a lot of reasons for the Raiders. Like if they lose, the seasons more or less like derailed at that point. And then we have to wonder what's going to happen with Derek Carr going forward. But if they win and then they start to get back in the playoff hunt, like that could change the direction of their franchise too, right? Like they could stick with Derek cart, you know, kind of keep it on the tracks and try and win next year versus.

blow it all up or whatever. Not to mention, it's like they swept the Broncos in the division rival. Next week, they're playing the Rams. So you would hope the Rangers could beat the freaking Rams, the state they are now. And then they're playing the Patriots. So, like, you know, there's a world where, you know,

there'd be better vibes that they could rack up a four-game winning streak. Yeah. So they could use good vibes. But this game is a rainbow strip. Literally every single position, I actually don't understand what either of these defenses do

because in every category, they're terrible. It's like, against quarterbacks. They're awful. For Echler, it's like, the Raiders are terrible against running backs that kits passes. The Chargers are terrible

against running backs. Devonte Adams torched the Chargers when he played them in week one. Keenan Allen plays the Raiders D that is bottom three against slot receivers. It's like every possible matchup

is just as juicy as hell. I think that at least with the Chargers, it's because a lot of their important defenders are hurt, and the Raiders, it's just they're bad. Yeah. So it's just can't get the pressure. Next to word here,

I want to give, it's the Fight Club Award. Dude, Buck Saints Monday Football, Mike Evans versus Marshall Laddimore. This game should just be like the 1V, the Marshawn Latimore, Mike Evans, Paper view. Like, yeah, like a fight.

I went back and I watched all the Mike Evans, Marshall Latimore fights because I've become obsessed with this. Yeah. And basically, I feel like what happened was like Marshall Natimore, basically, they were having words, and then Mike Evans turned around

and Marshall Lanhamer just shoved Mike Evans in the back the first time. And then ever since then, Mike Evans will find any excuse to shove Marshall Matamor in the back to the ground. Like, Mike Evans is like... People don't forget. Forever.

It's true. People don't forget. So anytime Marshall and Latimore took shit to the quarterback of Mike Evans' team, Mike Evans just fucking dex him. I respect that. Yes. Well, I think it's funny that's Monday night

because, like, how many people are going to need, like, nine points from Mike Evans on Monday night? And it's stressful enough because, like, Mike Evans is worse against the Saints than any team. It's like the Marshall Natimore ever since he came. Like the reason they fight so much is because Marshall Natimore kind of owns Mike Evans. He gets into his

head. It's like Rodman. He does get into his head. He just like over physicals him. He like gets right in his grill and they just like fight at the line of scrimmage before it's time for him to run a route. It's so true. And like also I think it's like Mike Evans is huge, right? He's like six five. Like Mike Evans has always been like the biggest receiver in a room. He's probably always been the biggest receiver in a room. He's probably always the biggest kid in his high school football team. It's like and when you're like

always the biggest, strongest person and you're like, and then suddenly someone's bodying you like it's probably the first This fucking kid is getting into my face. Sick of it. This is crazy. So in Mike Evans' entire career, like his entire career, he's had less than 15 yards in a game eight times. And five of those eight are against the Saints.

With Latimore or just total? Just the Saints. But like most of him with Latimore. So he's gone over, in his entire career, he's gone over 100 yards against the Saints one time. And under 15, five times. times. Damn.

Does that mean we just sit Mike Evans this week period? Well, that's the thing. You have to play Mike Evans, but it's so funny to think that when he completes a full game, it's like the worst team he can play.

And he might just get in a fight with Marshall Ladomor and get ejected like immediately. He might just not even finish the game. They need to start doing like yellow card, red card thing in NFL games where like you get a warning. Because dude,

you can get ejected for the littlest shit in NFL. Oh, all right. Well, that's a whole other conversation. I have like a bunch of takes on the NFL. And I want to run by you guys. Okay. Okay. I kind of want the XFL to like experiment with some things I have thoughts on.

I kind of wonder about, I can't say this word, a penalty box. Okay. But for football. Then we play. Do you play one man down? Yeah, there's like a power play. That's funny. Instead of a 15-yard penalty.

I can't say it. You almost said it. There you go. But I wonder what would happen if it's like personal foul, you know, number 10, like, and then he has to leave. can't sub out and they have one play of 11 on 10. I think it's kind of crazy. Just this is the big picture.

It's kind of insane to me that hockey and soccer both play. Like you can just literally play one man down for the rest of the game. Isn't that like more interesting in football though in any of the sport? I still think it's bizarre that in hockey you're just, everybody allows two players to fight for a little bit. As long as you're on your feet, Craig. You fall down. That's when the fight is.

It's so barbaric, isn't it? I can't believe that's what they allow. Craig, we're talking about barbarism. I mean we watch football every day. Well, I also, I think it's so funny where, like, everyone's watching the World Cup and you're like, you pansies just out here, like, flopping. And all the Europeans are like, doesn't your favorite sport, like, give people brain damage?

Like, in hockey, it's like a fight breaks out at a house party. The refs were like, back up, everybody, back up. We got to fight, we got to fight. They're the whole, the back guys. No, they are the old bad guys. Oh, my God. Dude, so I love, I really am excited to get into hockey. I keep saying this, because obviously now,

Seattle has a hockey team to crack in and I'm like, I just want to start getting into it. I have a plan to go to a game in January. So I'm like super excited about it. I have a plan to go to a game. What is that slain? That was the most like Nathan Fielder-ass way of saying something like plan. I have plans to attend. D.K.'s an alien pretending to be a human.

I have a plan to go to the basketball game next year. What? God, it's like it's like if you're learning English how you would say it. What does that plan entail exactly, D. Buying tickets. Okay. Driving. All right.

parking. Give me a break. I just said it wrong. To be fair, Craig. Seattle just got a hockey team, so like give him some... Let's do that hockey. I don't know how to see that hockey yet today. So he's a little bit of brazzle brains.

It's like your coffee. If you haven't listened to our episodes recently, we learned that DK eats a cassidia every day for like 20 years. I didn't eat one today, by the way. You haven't had it yet. Clearly. It's like your coffee. Your brain doesn't start working.

Anyway, what I was going to get to after all that, I've watched a few of those. You know, it's like in NFL, like they do that. I forget they're called sound effects where it's like the guys talking on the sideline. You can like hear all the conversations. Miced up. Yeah, miced up. The conversations between hockey players are fucking epic.

Oh, I've never heard those. Yeah, check it out. I'll send you. Letter, you guys haven't watched Letterkenny, right? Letterkenny is no. I haven't. Letterkenny is just like rural Canadian, like a town of like 3,000 people or whatever. Just like, and like the hockey players just talk shit and it's the funniest thing ever.

but among other things I'm going to send you guys a picture there is a character in Letterkenny that basically his name's Stuart and he's basically like just this extremely goth I don't even know like a tweaker basically and they just kind of do math

and listen to like I don't know Metallica but if you just if you're listening Google Letterkenny Stewart this guy looks exactly like Zach Wilson Oh I see it just Google Letter Kenny Stewart this guy is like a dead ringer

for Zach Wilson And it's kind of a combination of the Zach Wilson photo with the Anakin Skywalker photo that you tweeted. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All the meme accounts were, like, putting that on. I know. I feel like they kind of stole your, it's under there.

No credit. Anyway, I just, well, this picture of Zach Wilson in the hoodie with the rain jacket. And I was just like, this is just, man. This guy looks like he's going to kill some children. Jesus. The youngling, not the younglings. Elijah Moore. Kill the younglings, Zach Wilson did.

Garrett Wilson. No, not Gary Wilson. All right. Anyway. We should do a power hour where I just rank all the changes I want to make to football. Just bitching.

Yeah. All right. Next one. Probably unanswerable questions. D.K. So I brought this up on Monday or Sunday, but I'm very curious if this is going to be Aaron Rogers' last game

as a hacker. Basically, is this a game? Is he just going to like tear up the bears this week? They're terrible, terrible defense. Get good vibes. get good momentum going,

and then basically tell the Packers that they can go with Love and finish out the year. Didn't he basically allude to, like, as long as they can make the playoffs he would play, but when he's mathematically eliminated, he kind of understands that they would play Jordan Love? Yes. So, but I don't know,

like, honestly, like it may not matter. We'll see how it goes. He said, look, I'd love to finish the season out, but I understand this is a business, and there's a lot of us, kind of older guys who play a decent amount, and they might want to see somewhere, of your guys play. Hopefully, we don't have to have that conversation. So I think he would prefer to

play. At least he's saying that publicly. Of course, you never really know with Aaron Rogers. It's kind of like my point. And they're four and eight. They'll probably win this week against a terrible Bears team. But I just think it's just an interesting scenario. He just dominates the bears one last time. Alan Lazard even said it. He's got to renew his ownership. You got to do that twice a year. Do you remember how he said he owned the Bears? Yes. It's like when your dad, who's like 55 steps outside and like kicks his son's ass in basketball. Yeah. He's like,

still got it. Back to the dad beating up the sun. Yeah. Anyways, look, the odds are probably low that it's going to be the last time we see Aaron Rogers in the Packers uniform, but just kind of curious.

This is like, I think you're looking at it the other way, though. Can you imagine if the Packers lose to this Bears team that just got rocked by the jacks and the Packers lose? It's like, what is, can you imagine Rogers going out with like losing to the Bears? Oh my God.

How embarrassing that would be? No pun intended. If he does that, then he's just, like, going to force his way back onto the team next year to just make them to make their lives help. I think if Aaron Rogers loses to the Bears, even if they're mathematically eliminated, he will play the following week. He can't end his Packers career on a loss to Chicago. So once again, my feeling on, I've said this before, but like, my feeling on Aaron Rogers, in a nutshell, is that scene in Game of Thrones, the first scene with Tywood Lanister, where Jamie Lannister is talking to his dad and they're arguing about something. And his dad is like, you care too much what other people think of you. and Jamie's like, I don't care what anyone thinks of me.

And his dad's like, yeah, that's what you want people to think about you. And I'm like, that's Aaron Rogers. It's like he says all this, all he talks about is how he doesn't care if people think. Guess what? Like, I just kind of don't believe he's going to retire on like this, like the worst season the Packers have had. Like, I just don't think he's going to go out this way and like more or less being forced out like Jordan loved this full circle. It's too like neat. I just think unless this season ends with Rogers

being positive, I think he's going to get traded. And I think it's going to be the Jets, man. I'm telling you. He obviously cares what we think. Why do you think he goes on Macfee every week? Yeah, like, this guy is so online. He's the most online quarterback.

Oh, the shit, he's waiting his hair cut. He's dating famous women. It's like, what are doing? A good rule of thumb is the more people are like, I don't care what people are saying on the snap face. It's like, they're definitely unsnounced. You're projecting. Yeah.

Yeah. It's kind of like when I'm like, yeah, we should spend time less on social media. So I'm talking to myself because I do that. Correct. We all do. Yeah. Any other thoughts? Any of these games?

No, I'm annoyed at the 1 PM or the afternoon sleigh. It's too good. Like, I wish one of those games, like, I don't want to watch the Cowboys game as the night game. Like, this is the best afternoon slate we've ever had. We have dolphins, Niners, Chief Spangles, and Chargers, Raiders. Put one of those Sunday night. I will say, it's pretty sick for Red Zone, because. Red Zone's really good actually when you have just three games and they can go back and forth and kind of watch all of them.

Or I'm going to do the thing where I put all three of them up at once. Yes. The quad box. That's what I do every week. Matt Ryan is Sunday night. We're going to do back-to-back weeks of Matt Ryan on primetime. Matt Ryan against the Dallas patch rush. Come on.

While we're bitching, can I give you like a really like this is such a, like a modern problem that no one should care about, but it bothers me? First World problem. Do you guys know the DirecTV stream and you can put three in a, box, and you can watch like three games in the quad box. Yeah. They can't like adjust the size. Like if you just want to watch two games, one of them has to be giant

and one has to be very small. So annoying. I totally know. Literally it's one is 80% of your screens, one's 20 and you cannot adjust them, nothing. That's the ratio it has. We need to get some oversight on all these streaming companies because this is a problem with literally like every different. Like NFL Game Pass does the same thing.

Like there's so much wasted space. Every time I watch this, I'm like, this is why Directive you lost the contract. I was going to say, luckily next year, it's probably going to be at Apple and it'll do way better. Thank God. All right. That's all we got.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you to Jesse for production help. Thank you to everyone emailing us, ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Email us about what was the movie called that you don't remember with the title? Legends of the Fall. It's very famous movie.

Have you ever seen The Godfather? Yeah, because that's like a much more disgust movie. And I also know why it's called that. Super clear. Okay. It's disqualified because you don't get the name. That's fine.

I'm just saying. We had three different answers there. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you. Frankie goes to Hollywood. D.K., who was on your Spotify wrapped other than Krungben?

Wasn't he the number one for both you guys? Crungman? Yeah. Yeah, Krungbin was my number one artist for like the third year in a row, I want to say. It's just because I listened to them while I'm working. So apparently I work a lot.

The other thing, the other one that I put up there is Les Paul and his trio. I've mentioned this before. It's like he does like Hawaiian luau guitar music. I like to listen to it when I'm working too. So that's a lot of, it's just relaxing background music. Do you also have like random spouts of like, I can also tell who's a parent because it's like half that and then half like the soundtrack to frozen?

Yes. Early, like when Calvin was young, I think the top song on my rap was the shit. Oh, the Lord of the Rings song or the Hobbit? It was the Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit song. The dwarves sing the song from the Hobbit. Oh, yeah, wait.

New parents, give the new parents, better advice you'll ever get from fantasy football. Haven't, yeah. The Misty Mountain song? Haven't given this out in a while. Basically,

by random coincidence, we figured out that the song, Misty Mountains from the Hobbit soundtrack, which is basically just a bunch of dwarves singing in a very low harmony, would stop Calvin, my son from crying. Like, if he was like in a crying fit,

like freaking out, we'd start that song, and he'd immediately stop. This is when he was like under five, four months old. This was like really, like he was a baby. How much money would you pay to just instantly have kids? I'm trying to think what's the value of this? I said it before like a couple years ago on the pod,

and I had a bunch of people tell me it worked. I had a few people that tell me it didn't work, which, you know, I'm not batten 100 on it or a thousand on it, I should say. But, you know, it worked for a lot of people. It's like more than just Calvin, so that's kind of cool. Somebody tweeted, this tweet went viral. They said, this is why I don't like sharing a, Spotify with my mom and the top five songs.

Four of the top five are, is the exact same song. It's music for home alone dogs. And then the only one that's not that is the song Better Together by Jack Johnson. So funny. That's almost random. That's a cool.

Also, thank you to everybody where we were on your Spotify rap. That's absolutely sick. Thank you to everyone who, like, tweeted us, emailed us, whatever. I love seeing that stuff. It's like very gratifying. So cool. Yeah.

It's so, yeah, genuinely, like, thank you, everybody for listening. It's kind of like mind-blowing that we're on that. So honestly from the bottom of my heart, like, thank you to everybody. We're on your wrapped. Step it up. Feels threatening. Those are rookie numbers. Menacing right now.

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