The Ringer NFL Show - Week 13 Recap: Bears #1 Seed, Tomlin Booed, Bounceback Bryce, and Jerry Jones Is Cooking

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

The guys recap all the NFL Week 13 action by going through categories such as Winners and Losers, Fart or Shart, Intrusive Thoughts, and so much more. (0:00) Intro (1:56) ‘Sunday Night Football’: Broncos-Commanders (14:44) Winners and Losers (36:57) The Oppenheimer Award (50:52) It’s So Over. We’re So Back. (01:14:09) Fart or Shart (01:21:10) Intrusive Thoughts (01:29:35) Ick of the Week (01:35:47) Play of the Day (01:37:53) The WORST Play of the Day (01:38:27) The Arthur Smith/Shawn Hochuli Award (01:45:58) Two WRs and a Lie (01:47:00) Fantasy Burn Book Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit http://www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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on eligible secured chime visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield. Learn more at chime.com. All right, we're going to get to a bunch of awards and categories, but first, the Sunday football game that just happened, Washington Broncos. We finally got a good primetime game. Yeah.

You know, it didn't look like it was going to be. And it came in the unlikeliest of places. Washington. Sometimes you don't get what you want, but you do get what you need. I think this game is why the NFL makes $20 billion a year. Because this game was. Cinema. It was.

It wasn't totally boring. There were a couple good moments, but it was kind of a midgame with some spikes. And then the ending was absolutely gripping and electric. And the mix of the refs were just the weird villains in this. It was like scripted almost. Not that I'm saying the NFL is scripted, but I'm saying the drama going from an absolute shit show of the refs like fucking up a solid like five minutes of game action, not game action, of real life action. And then it turning into a really great overtime game. It was just so classic.

There was a five minute stretch of real life where I don't think any plays were one play was ran over like a five minute period. Land clerk, who again, for those who don't know, Land Clark, the referee in this game, is actually the head of municipal buildings in Albuquerque, New Mexico. so he's like literally a land clerk. And they were a mess throughout this game. I mean, just to go through a few. I mean, they had the Mario, sorry, Mariotta. We got to go through that. Get it right to that.

Way over correcting on how to pronounce. And Tarika wasn't doing it. He was 50-50. He did it a few times. He was contagious. Tariko caught it. There was a point in overtime where Collinsworth was so tired he gave up, but then he got back on.

It's like you're throwing for. He just reverted back to his mainline throwing form because it was so stressful. But yeah, so Broncos win this game, 27, 26. This was crazy. I mean, just the, the final, I mean, players were tripping in the turf. Terry McLaurin's tripping in the turf deep. But the final drive alone, there is a fourth and sixth where Mario, this game looked so

over. Murdo somehow gets away from, I forget if it was Cooper or Benito and then throws the ball and it's tip, tip, tip, intercepted. And I'm like, oh, game's over. Cool. Yeah. after that, like, that was the most over. And then after that, they throw a flag, do pass interference.

Then Terry McLaurin catches a game tying touchdown for like 50 yards. Hold and call it back. Then they give the ball to Debo. Debo gets them to the one, stuffed on first down. Then Terry McLaurin tries to fake pat or tan out by just walking forward. And then that doesn't work. And then Ertz drops the game tying touchdown. And then on fourth and goal, Terry McLaurin catches the game time touchdown.

And then they go for two and they just don't get it in the most like huge. humiliating block bat down rollout. If Washington actually had a shot for like make the playoffs and this game met more to them, this would be one of the more excretiating losses. The fact that they had the McLaurin touchdown called back Debo to the one, Zach Hertz drop and then the batting pass at the end. Dude, McNichols was wide open on the two point attempt. Yeah.

And the ball was batted down. I decided that the most frustrating play from the point of view of if you're rooting for the team on offense, the most frustrating and demoralizing play I think now for me is a batted pass, a ball that just gets knocked down at the line of scrimmage, because you never know what could have been, you know what I mean? Like, that could have been a freaking touchdown. That could have been anything.

But no, it was just batted down at the line of scrimmage. It's so, like, just absolutely demoralized. So they obviously lost on that. When they started the Manning cast, it was funny because Peyton Manning couldn't control himself around badded passes. He would be like, gosh, damn it. They shouldn't allow the batted passes. It was like he couldn't

contain himself. Oh, God. The call that the refs got wrong, which was then reversed, and then it was the wrong call of reversal. Do you know what I'm talking about? Which one? I think that happened three times. It was kind of like gambling. Like, I feel like if the refs just did the opposite in the fourth quarter,

every call would have been correct. Yeah. So, I think there's two that I, there's sequence I know what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure. So there is a pretty bullshit false start called on Terry McLaurin, which, ridiculous. Like basically the receivers get set for long enough. You have to stand still for like half quarter of a,

if you ever see the. receiver looking at the ref and pointing for two seconds. They're just like, you're good, I'm good. And like, you do that. That is never called, which is probably why you've never seen that flag before. Like, the actual replay this show, that was never happened. And that was, and then Terry

McColley gets on is like, that wasn't a flag. And then the next play, there is a, thanks Terry. My favorite thing in the world. It was even worse. The intentional grounding one was even better. So then there's the intentional grounding, which I also did think was intentional grounding, and I was surprised it took them so long to throw it. And

I think I underrate this part of the rule where Terry McClauoy comes on. He's like absolutely not intentional grounding. He threw it over the guy's head. He threw it over the guy's head, which I feel like never gets brought up in all the descriptions of intentional grounding. Yeah. And Terry McClelly was like absolutely black and white, not intentional grounding. But this took like two or three full minutes to litigate.

And the decision was to throw a flag onto the field and do that. So the whole like Washington kind of got fucked. I want to run through real quick. the one before that, I believe it was before those two other plays was under four minutes, Broncos leading by three on a second down, Marioota, and they're just kind of stuck deep in their own end. Mario, sorry, Mariotta, scrambles to make it third and short, maybe like a third and three, I don't know exactly what it was.

But then before they can snap the ball again to get the play off, the expedited review steps in. And they expedite the review and tell everyone that he was actually down, because he got hit in the backfield, he spun around and his knee went down or whatever. However, the reason he was down is because he was tripped, which should have been a 15-yard penalty. But they can't fucking review that, of course, because it's the stupidest sport in the world.

And so, therefore, the expedited review discovers that he was actually down because of a penalty and then they award the defense for doing the penalty. And now it's 3rd and 21. And they, like, what the fuck are we doing here? Do we just get it right? this is so ridiculous. I genuinely don't understand what the point of Terry McCauley is. His purpose is to highlight how bad the refs are on the field and how flawed the game is.

I feel like all he does is worsen the product because he just comes and he's like, that was wrong. Genuinely, Craig, the reason he's there is to explain the labyrinth of rules. Right, because the two guys, Colin Dr. And Dr.ico, who have been doing this for 40 years, they still don't know the rules. Yeah, like there's too many fucking rules. Yeah.

I just, it's fascinating to me that he comes in. He's like, they got this dead wrong, Mike. And Mike's like, oh, interesting, Terry. Okay, thanks. I'm like, is replay assist? Can they not help with this? The other part, is Terry not in the replay assist crew? What is he talking to them?

Well, that's what I don't get, Craig, is that so that Terry works for NBC and the replay assist is the head of the refs of New York. But Terry McCauley and the replay assist guy are that Walt Anderson or Walt Coleman, whoever does it, they're in. communication the entire game. He's in his little booth and his little green screen in front, like next to Tariqo and them. But he's like on speed,

they're like on the phone with the refs in New York the whole time so that they go back and forth because the TV station has to send the camera angles to the refs anyway. So the reps and NBC, yeah, all the rest don't know their own cameras. The reps are getting the NBC angles from NBC.

So they were in communication the whole time. So how Terry McCauley could be like, this is definitively the wrong call when he's basically on the phone with the head guy doing the replay assist, it blows my mind. Can replay assist change that call or is that not allowed? I think the real answer is they have to, there's a matter of body language. And sometimes the refs, if you kind of chime in and you have your call

and you realize 20 seconds later, you made the wrong call. Yeah. I think if they changed it, replay, you can't be the all-knowing God in the sky, just kind of changing things like strikes of lightning and then be like oops whoopsies take back these we actually going to undo that honestly i feel like like baseball's getting the robot umps i'm at the point now where i'm like these reps on the field they're too close to it give us the clanker shit wait hold on hold them further away like i actually maybe it should only be new york calling games and then there's just a mouthpiece actually announcing what new york is telling us no you're close craig you're just doing the signs you're close Okay. Terry McCauley should be the replay assist.

Yeah. Because he's better than the people, like all the good rafts are getting paid to work for the TV networks. I don't know what intentional grounding is. I don't. I don't know what a pick play is because that play at the end of the game. Is that not a pick play sometimes? It's like, oh, if it was. It has to be within like a yard or two.

It's within a yard or two. And it also, frankly, depends on how well you sell that you're running around. 100%. It's all about. subjective. I'm not going to remember. I think it was over Thanksgiving. One of the three games they called a pick play or something.

And then whatever commentator was like, oh, I don't agree with that at all. That was a natural route that is not a pick play. This one tonight seemed a little bit more like a pick play. So I have no fucking idea how that works either. I just don't. I don't get it. Anyway, I just wanted to get all that shit off my chest. The referee was just like so ridiculous for a while there.

But ultimately, we were saved by what ended up being a fun overtime period, whatever. Like, that doesn't need to be the story of the game, but it did piss me off. I mean, look, you know, it's something to talk about. Before that, all we had was Traylon Burks coming out of nowhere to catch one-handed. Hell yeah. I know. I know. Never a doubt.

Trail on Berks, he's bad. I don't know. My other takeaways are like Mariotta is a dog. So it's Mario Ta. Mario Ta is a dog. He looked good. I do think Chris Collinsworth just knows that people don't have to say is, like, last name. So then he asked Marcus

Marioada and he was like, oh, there's a T. Got to really hit the T. And then Collinsworth, he started doing the like when white people say Abitha or something. Like, you know what I mean? Like he just started like really hitting the T. It's the opposite of Toronto. You know how you're, you're supposed to say Toronto. Yeah. Really?

And we even say Marioota. Toronto. Toronto. I guess I just naturally don't do it. Because I was so curious. It was like, freaking me out. And then I saw that it was trending on Twitter, too. People were like, what is this pronunciation of Marioata? And he says it like pretty much the way that they were saying it. I do think they were kind of like the T was a little bit harder than he says it,

than Marioita says it. But it was, I think generally they were right. It's just one of those things we haven't been saying that for the last eight years or whatever. I mean, for the last two weeks, we've had a bit on the show about how dads mispronounced things. And we got it live on Sunday night football with Collinsworth. Who knows that?

I don't know if that's a mispronunciation, but he was certainly putting some mustard on the TAA. He was. There was some mustard. Mario Tah. Oh, wait, Kai. You have the thing of how Marioato says he pronounces his own name, right? Marioota.

Yes, I think he's Marioata. Marioata. There's a little bit of an emphasis on the T. But I see how it comes out when Chris says it as Marioata. Marioata. Marioata. It was distracted. It was really distracting.

I was just being honest. Ultimately, though, like they were probably kind of right. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Anything else in this game? Also, do want to shout to Alex Singleton, the Broncos linebacker. who oh yeah that was a great play uh again it was it was it was at the time it felt like a game saving play but then the the game went haywire um but obviously Alex singleton coming back he

he was diagnosed with testicular cancer like two weeks ago and he's already back on the field somehow i don't understand how that happened but um obviously huge play awesome awesome story and um just want to shout him out too what i learned tonight was that i i no longer feared denver's defense and I'm not going to trust them in the playoffs. They could not stop Marcus Marriota for like three straight drives. Like marching down the field, they basically scored three different touchdowns in the overtime Washington on Denver. I mean, it was unbelievable.

And Cliff can really call a game. Like, Cliff did a great job tonight. The hole in the Broncos death star is when your white cornerback plays 80 snaps. Riley, it turns out. Just getting cooked by demo. He's the mark. Whoa, my voice just pretty weird.

Kid spot the white cornerback after 30 minutes at the table. I know. He should wear the white quarterback. He should wear sleeves. Like some of L-A-Lamar Jackson thing? Don't out himself like that. Visor and sleeves. And like a turtleneck.

Yeah. That's funny. It looks like you're going out in the desert or something. Just like, no. Oh, my God. All right. Winters or losers. I have a loser here.

My loser. for this week is the entire NFL as I knew it. Okay. I feel... We learned a lot today. We learned a lot. I feel like this week really punctuated that the era we were just in in the NFL is like kind of over, but the new one has yet to begin.

And so this season is just in between. And like the teams that were dominating the last five, six years, three, four years, whatever you want to call it, Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals for a little bit, the Eagles, the Lions. All those teams are bad, or way worse or won't make the playoffs or will make the playoffs and just aren't very good and frankly aren't very scary.

And then the teams that have replaced them atop the NFL standings, like the Patriots being the one seat of the AFC or the Bears being the one seat in the NFC if this season ended right now. Denver. Denver, watching this Denver game, who Bo Nix had a great play

for a touchdown and also some really stupid plays and I don't know. I just, the teams at the top, if you just look at the standings in the NFL right now, none of the division winners make up, you don't have much confidence in any of the teams that are winning their divisions currently. Like the Broncos don't inspire, I mean, the defense is awesome. The Jaguars are winning the AFC South. The Ravens and Steelers are tied for the division lead.

The Patriots are running away with the AFC East. Like, you know what I mean? It's like the Bears are winning the NFC North. The Bucks and Panthers, seven wins apiece at the top of the NFC South. What are the fans? I don't know. And so, D. Kim, curious what you think, but I really do think this era of like, Chiefs, Mahomes, Lamar, the Eagles, Lions, it's like, that's not really it anymore.

But we don't know what the next one is. And so this season has been so hard for me to figure out. But I feel like I kind of just, it was unavoidable. Yeah, I mean, you laid it out pretty well. I think it's the short way of saying it, there are no great teams this year. It does feel that way. There's just no great teams. I think that the defining narrative of this season is when I talk to friends who watch

football. They're like, who's going to win the Super Bowl? And I'm like, I don't know. I have no fucking idea. Today, and I was like, well, I was going to say the Rams, but they just lost to Bryce Young, who looked like a fucking middle schooler like six days ago. So I don't know what to say.

The other thing, it's not just there's no great teams, D.K., because I think it's been a minute where we've been complaining about no great teams for like five years. I know. It's one of those things we say a lot, I feel like, but this year really feels real. Now when you look back, you're like, Jesus Christ, the Eagles last year were Right.

Yeah. Amazing. But you know why the difference is it's not that there's just that there's no great teams. It's also that having the great players a quarterback doesn't necessarily matter because, I mean, the bill's won today and Josh Allen's playing really well. But like Lamar at the rate, he's not playing great. Mahomes, I think is playing well and it doesn't really matter for Kansas City. Like if you look around, I think that's the same thing too with maybe our perception

catching up of like, who are the great quarterbacks right now? Like honestly, I mean, where is Jordan Love rank right now? among players you would need to win next week. Like he's ahead of Lamar. You know what I mean? And I think that that's another thing where... So is Max Brosmer though, so... Yeah, no, that's true.

Max Brosmer. He's ahead of Lamar right now. Anyway. No, you're right, though, Highfitz. I completely agree with you. It's very bizarre. Like, the best quarterbacks in the league are not on the best teams in the league,

which is kind of just an odd situation. And a lot of the teams that we kind of thought were frauds are winnings a lot still. It's like the Jags continue to win. The Bears continue. to win. The Packers who we've been questioning all year. The Cowboys are kind of moving into that territory. And all the teams from the beginning of the season and from the last few years that we thought were really good, the Colts, the Chiefs, the Lions, the Eagles, the Rams are all losing.

So it's going to be one of those weird years where whoever wins the Super Bowl, I don't want to say it's going to be unmemorable because that's not true. Because this actually might end up being, I think this is going to be one of the most fun NFL playoffs because I think there's going to be so much chaos. Parity is good. You're going to have no idea what's going to happen. But I do think looking back 10 years from now, it'll be, it's like, remember when the Milwaukee Bucks won the NBA title in 2021? Oh, yeah. That just, that was just kind of a year that happened. Like, they played the Sons. Yeah. That was the finals. And I do, I do think looking back this year might be like that where it's like, oh yeah, remember that year, the Seahawks won the Super. Hey, Super Bowl. Remember that?

Well, that's a little mean. What the hell? I remember that one. The Bucks won a good example because that Nets, no one remembers this stuff, but the second round, the Bucks were, it's like game seven or something against the Nets, and Durant, foot on the line. Durant had his big toe on the line for three-poena, and they would have won.

But no one remembers that the position before that, Janus had James Hardin one-on-one in the post, and instead of trying to score on James fucking Hardin, he passed the ball, and they missed. And all anyone would have talked about for six months was the Bucks were eliminated in game seven because Yonis didn't, want to try to score on James Hardin.

Yeah. And then instead he won't a title and cemented his legacy. And it's like, shit like that happens all the time. So sorry, DK. I won't say Seahawks. We're going to be like, remember that year that the Colts won the Super Bowl? The answer honestly is the O-Ns. I don't want you to look at them like there's some kind of also ran team. It just feels like

every team will be like the Broncos won this. Like, I don't even know who the team would be that. I'd be like, that's right. That's correct. You know, you need a season or two it's like sprinkled in between dynasties and whatnot, you know? But after all this said, watch the freaking chiefs and Eagles go back to the Super Bowl again. We'll see if the Chiefs make the playoffs.

I'm a Giants fan. I love when random teams win the Super Bowl. With that said, though, I do think the biggest winner of the week, Craig, we said on Friday that if, we set our preview last week, if the Chiefs could go into, if the Chiefs could host Kansas City and win. You mean if Dallas can host Kansas City? Yeah, God, you know what? You just do it.

I kid's good. Between this or the intro. What did you say exactly, Craig? What did you say? Cowboys had Thanksgiving. Yes. Right. If Dallas can take the Chiefs down at home on Thanksgiving, then they are for a real team. And I fully believe they are. I think Dak is playing as good as any quarterback right now. And Matt Stafford is overshadowing him because if Stafford wasn't doing what he's doing, I think way more people will be talking about Dak. He's been amazing. They beat the Chiefs 3128. And honestly, if you ask me, if the playoffs start right now, I think Dallas looks like one of the best three teams in the league. And I think their defense has been a lot better. You look at it. You look at it. at some of the stuff after the Quinn and Williams trade.

Jared Jones is kind of cooking. Let me give you this. Before the Quinn and Williams trade, the Cowboys were literally dead last in defensive rushing success rate. After the trade, they're fifth. It's only been three games. And they play teams perhaps.

But like, you know, their defense has gone from bad to average, it seems. And their offense is fucking incredible. And Pickens is a top five receiver in the league. CD is a top five receiver in the league. And DAC is playing as good as any quarterback, you know, distributor. in the NFL.

And I'm kind of just like, I kind of think Dallas is very likable right now. And I think that's weird. I think everybody has always hated the Cowboys and it's fun to hate the Cowboys. But I actually think right now they are America's team to me.

Like, I feel like people, the Pickens thing is really funny and everyone's kind of in it. Dak is super likable. The Sun coming into the fucking stadium. The Sun's hilarious. Like, Schottinheimer's kind of likable. Joe Buck's like, oh God, yes.

Dude, the Sun might come through these, they showed some video of it in this game. It was just like, fucking, like, Jesus Christ is coming back from the dead or something. It was like shiting it brighter than anything I've ever seen in my life. How did they manage this? It's like there's a fucking magnifying glass. It was already pretty bright before. Like, don't you think right now if you could pick any team you want to be in the Super Bowl

and the NFC, you're picking Dallas? I mean, it's a giant sense, no, but I know what you're saying. You know what I mean? I will say, though, like legitimately from a football point of view, the Cowboys do have some elements of a team that can win in the playoffs. They can run the ball. They can pass the hell out of the ball. They have two elite receivers. They score on anybody.

And now they can stop the run. I think right now they can make opposing teams one dimensional. They beat the Chiefs and the Eagles in back to back weeks. And yet they're still the nine seats in the NFC. They're not even in the playoffs right. Well, I was going to say this is a good example what we're talking about. I don't know where you want to rank all these people, but whoever you would say of who are the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

I mean, it's very possible that Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Lamar, not miss the playoffs. Yeah. I know. Which is hilarious because those might be the best quarterback in the entire league for five of the top eight or whatever. No, the Cowboys are really good.

And also just fantasy, just dominating. Craig, you nailed this in the offseason. Both of you guys talked about how the Cowboys were the cheaper off-brand version of the Bengals and that's exactly what's happened. Yeah, I mean, like. Pickens, Prescott, Giovante were like the most affordable stack on the most obvious team ever. Like, I wish we had gone on an harder.

It's worked, yeah, it's worked out better than why we even could have imagined. It's like the knockoff that's actually better than the name brand. The Cowboys feel like that team in your dynasty league or whatever that makes a bunch of insane trades. But on the whole, like on the total, they're actually a much better team. Like we all made fun of them for the Micah Parsons trade and we probably should have. But the Pickens trade was a fucking steal or it's looking like one right now. He's one of the best receivers in the NFL. And it's like that evens it out a little bit.

Obviously we made fun of like how much they paid for Court of Williams. But he's come in, made them. made them really, really good from Jerry said he offered Parsons at a first for Quinn Williams. That cannot be right. That cannot be right. The word he said the Jets turned it down because they couldn't fit Parsons as deal in their cap.

I find it hard to believe that the Jets would have been like Parsons at a first for Quitted and they said no. There's no way in hell that's true. Jerry's just like doing the Jerry. I do whatever he wants. Dude, this is the story of Jerry Jones's entire life. He's trying to shoot himself in the foot. He misses.

And it just fucking a bunch of oil shoots out of the ground. Yeah. Oh, he's the best. I'm rooting for Dallas. I'm all in. By the way, Craig, speaking of which, George Pickens, I saw this and I thought I was reading it wrong. It's true. This is, I saw this at the athletic.

George Pickens has more receiving yards than all this Pittsburgh Steelers receivers combined. Oh, I feel like you could probably cut that number in half and he still has more than all the Steelers receivers combined. I know this stills use a lot of tight ends and we're counting receivers here, but do you know how hard it is to have more than entire receiving core? This is not including tight ends? So this is basically like D.K. No, it's the receivers. But yeah, it's Matt Kauff, Calvin Austin. Yeah, they don't use it done.

But regardless, they didn't get enough for George Beckins. Yeah, that's fair. Again, I will reiterate that like it would, it's not like Pickens would have been doing this on Pittsburgh right now. No. It's like, oh my God, I can't believe they gave that up. Like, the Steelers' offenses and shambles and Pickens would have been pissed and doing terribly. I think it highlights how strange it was that the Steelers chose to turn around and then give D.K. Metcalfe of all people, $140 million, whose skill set at this point, Dek, I think, is fair to say.

We had questions about how it would work with Rogers. It doesn't work with Aaron Rogers at all, and I don't understand why he's the guy they decided. They should have gone and got Devante Adams. How did they let Devante Adams go to the rims? Devonti Adams should be on the Steelers. Yep, 100%. Adams wanted to be with a real team. No, that's fine.

The Steelers are a shell of a team. Anyway, yeah, so the Cowboys are a big winner. Speaking to Devante Adams, Devonty Adams and the Rams lost. DK, do you think the Rams are more of a loser or Panthers are a winner today? I would say the Panthers are more of a winner. I came out more impressed with the Panthers than I was disappointed,

I guess, with the Rams. The Rams just had an off game, I think, generally speaking. But the Panthers came in and made some big-time plays. I mean, coming into the game. Big time froze. The Rams were 10 and. a half point favorites coming into this game. Oh, we know.

We bet on them. They'd won six straight. They'd just beaten the Bucks, Seahawks, and the 49ers, all pretty good teams, the NFC. The Rams had looked like a buzzsaw, but basically Matt Stafford came into this game with 30 touchdowns and two picks. And then the Panthers come in. They pick off Stafford twice. In the first quarter.

In the first quarter. They also got a sack fumble that they recovered late in the game to seal the game. They dominated on, well, they played pretty well on third downs, and they did. dominated in time of possession. I didn't check this, but I heard on the broadcast that they held the ball for 13 out of 15 minutes in the third quarter. Oh, that's how you beat Stafford. It was worse than that.

The Rams ran three plays in the third quarter. That's wild. Which was tied for, sorry, was not tied. It was just the fewest amount of plays. Any team has ran in any quarter all season. Really? I mean, yeah. And that was after they.

There's not many other numbers you could. not many other amount of plays you could run other than three and out. To do less than three. Unless you throw like a pick. Max Brosmer, maybe we should check that.

Maybe he'd change that later. But the Rams offense was doing so well. I don't even know if they had a third down for the first two drives. They couldn't stop moving the ball and then they kind of just came unglued. But I just kind of thought.

I couldn't believe the Panthers. What do you make of this Panthers team? They're 7 and 6 on the year now. They lost to the 49ers last week. The week before that, Bryce Young passed for almost 500 yards in an overtime win over the Falcons. The week before that, they lost the fucking Saints,

17 to 7. They beat the Packers in week 9, and they beat the Cowboys in week 6. I think this is a somewhat good team, but they also have some incredibly terrible losses. There's games where Bryce Young, like Hyphen says, he looks legitimately like a middle schooler out there.

and in this game, Bryce Young, he had two fourth down touchdowns. And he had a third and eight touchdowns. I mean, he was so clutching this game, made some incredible plays. They were beating Flat Stanley,

who's been one of the most, like, one of the best stories on the Rams all year. He's been really good for them, making tons of plays. Emmanuel Forbes, the 160 pound former cornerback Washington drafted in the first round somehow.

And then now he's, he got beat for two touchdowns on fourth down plays in this game. I don't know. The, the Panthers are, a mysterious team. I think this was reminding me that Dave Canales is a good game planning

offensive coach and he looked at what Niners were doing and he was like, why aren't you going at Emmanuel Forbes every single time? And like also the Panthers receiving court is giant because it's like a pickup truck, you know, for a guy could try to compensate. The quarterback's so small that the Panthers believe it.

They show this on the broadcast today. The Panthers have the tallest receiving court in the NFL because it's like Jalen Koker's 6-3, you know, Legate 6-4, even though he doesn't play it all the time. But like Ted McMillan 6-5, like they're huge. And I think they looked at Emmanuel 4,

and they're like, all of us are so much bigger than you, and that was kind of the game plan. But Bryce Young, I agree, D.K., I am confounded trying to analyze Bryce Young. This guy who, Robert Sala, the defense accordion for the Niners six days ago with so much less talent than the Rams, made Bryce Young look like he does not belong

even as a backup in the NFL, like so incapable. And again, losing to the Saints, looking like he did against the Niners and then beating the Cowboys at least that was pre-trade. The defense is awfully get it. Even two weeks ago, the 4 to 50 yards, I'm like, oh my God, this game was confounding to me.

I don't even know what my takeaways are, to be honest. I'm watching it. I'm like, Bryce looks great. Like these deep balls, he's hitting on fourth down. The touchdown was awesome and everything was right on the money. He looked super calm. He's very happy. I think he's the happiest quarterback in the week. The only

thing I want to add on the Rams here, Bad loss for the Rams, but it's not obviously not, no one's freaking out. Devante Adams is absolutely insane this year. He has 52 catches for 689 yards and 14 touchdowns. The next closest guy in the NFL right now is Amon Ross St. Brown, at least receivers, is an Amman Rosson with nine touchdowns. Devante Adams on pace for 20 touchdowns this year. And that would best his career high, which is 18, which also, by the way.

Has anyone had 20 touchdowns since Rainy Moss? No. So, Devanti Adams, his career high is 18, which is third most all time. Only Randy Moss and Jerry Rice. Randy Moss said 23 and Jerry Rice said 22 in his season. So what we're seeing is incredible from Devante Adams. I don't know if he'll obviously continue this pace, but they use him as like their goal line back. He's just so unstoppable.

He's fucking cooking in the paint, which he's literally just like a guy with great post moves. His footwork is unbelievable. He's like Mike Allstad. They just like, third and one, throw to Devante. Right. Can't stop him. The other winner, I think this may be, this team might be the biggest winner the whole weekend. The Chicago Bears, we have been so hard on this team at points.

We have to give them the flowers, as they say, the Bears, a year ago on Black Friday, one of the most fun pods we've ever been able to do is the Bears fired Matt Iber Fluse because he botched the Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game and like the end of half and everything goes. They fired Mattieie Bluice on Black Friday. A year later, the Bears beat the defending Super Bowl champion Eagles 24 to 15 in Philadelphia, Bears 9 and 3, and the Bears right now are the number one seed in the NFC, which is both not real, but also they deserve congratulations because the bears just are competent

in all these ways I didn't think they could be competent. And they're doing an awesome job. They're a fun team to watch. Did you know that after this week? I guess there's still Monday night pending, but the bears are number one in the NFL and rushing success rate. their run game is fucking sick. The run game is unbelievable. Look, there are aspects

the Bears have pulled stuff out of their ass all year. It's like, I mean, they had, they'd been outscored by the opponent in this week. Yeah. I mean, they're probably closer to like a 7 and 5 team or something like that, but yes. They lead the league in turnovers. They're the classic, like, I'm going to do a Memento tattoo, like, do not believe in the Bears next year. They have 24 turnover.

Like, Kevin Byer, the safety leads the NFL in picks, and then Nashon writes, fifth, sorry, he's second with the fifth most picks. He forced to fall. But having said that, run game and what Ben Johnson has done. Ben Johnson came in and just overhauled the interior offensive line. He got your dominant center and Jonah Jackson, right guard, and Joe Tunit left guard, and we talked about it all offseason.

The rare offensive line overhaul that completely immediately worked, where the Bears went from cannot run to absolutely dominant running the ball. And it's so, I mean, the Bears running backs in this Eagles game, both running backs, Kyle Minangay and DeAndre Swift had over 100 yards, like mid third quarter. And they both look good. They both look. They're both breaking tackles. Downhill.

DeAndre Swift looks like a completely different person this year. You know, we don't know why, Craig? They're number one by a mile in yards before contact the rush. There you go. Do you want to know why the NFL is weird in a nutshell was watching this game where DeAndre Swift was so incompetent at getting what was blocked for him behind the Eagles offensive line, which was the best in the NFL, that they replaced DeAndre Swift with Sequin Barkley,

who then got like 2,000 yards. And then in this game, one year later, the Bears ran for 18 first downs and the Eagles ran for two with Seyquan Barkley. The NFL is impossible. It's actually football is a crazy game, man. It is crazy how fast the turntables.

And like the bears, again, the Bears didn't have two players run for 100 yards in the same game since 1985, like the 85 Bears. like top five and a top five NFL team of all time was the last time and they did this in the middle

of third quarter against the Eagles in a game that was so windy that it was clear they were going to be running but what Ben Johnson does with all the the runs and football it's motions

misdirections the way that he sequences plays is really smart I don't know I don't know exactly what his secret sauce is obviously like a lot of people would like to know that

but man he is really good at calling an offense and the run game is the foundation of it right now and I think Caleb Williams is playing okay. I think he's, he has flashes.

He has some bad plays too. But you can't, you can't deny he's like way more under control and taking way fewer sacks and just playing a lot more so much disciplined. It's funny because his time to throw is like the same as it was last year,

but his sack rate is way down because he's just being way smarter in the pocket and he's knowing how to maneuver out of sacks and using that natural ability. It's like if you could just get him to be Jared Gough, which I know Jared Gough is a good quarterback and that's not easy.

But if he could just become Jared Gough and then add in his ridiculous physical talent, like it's like, it's, like, it's, like, it's, like, if Jared Gough had Sequin thighs is like what Caleb Williams could be with a way better arm, obviously, too. But I don't know, Hyvitz you saying that you're not going to believe in the Bears next year. I think the record is smoking mirrors, but we were talking earlier in the offseason about how coaches in year two, you don't, you know, don't really necessarily look at what they did in year one and extrapolate that out. Like, know that things can improve greatly between year one and year two.

We're seeing what Canal. is doing with the Panthers right now. It's like things are starting to come together and he is not a great roster. I don't know. The record I don't care about, but like I guess more in fantasy I'm talking about or like betting on these Bears players.

I think I'm going to be very high on year two of Ben Johnson. Bears, yeah, the defense is not going to get 25 turnovers or whatever through 12 games, 13 games. But yeah, the offense I think is totally legit. And the thing is,

I think there's a lot of meat left in the bone because the running game's really good. The passing games is on its way. I think people are probably pissed the room with Dunesie and under two points. It was really windy. he was open. Caleb missed him throws, but I don't want to overindex on that because

it was Windy as L. and Caleb made plays in other important moments, but overall, it was an awesome game. And the Bears, and they're fun. They're good stories all around. Like, Nashan Wright, this season is a really cool story. Like, again, the just top three linebackers just not playing is also

just an unbelievable rate. Like, everything about what the Bears are doing is pretty cool. So it's very fun. On the other side, what the fuck is going on with the Eagles? This is a perfect segue to the I Am Become Death, Oppenheimer Award. the player who went nuclear. I think we have to give it to A.J. Brown. Our guy, who was the number one scoring wide receiver on the week, he had 30 fantasy

points. He had 10 catches, 132 yards, and two touchdowns. He has the wide receiver won over the last two weeks. He is the wide receiver five since week seven, in which he has games of 21 points, 26, and 30. And yet, every time he has a good game, they lose. Coincidence? I actually don't think it's related. You know what I mean?

He's like the only thing they can fucking do on offense right now. No, I know, I know. Just to be clear, I don't think he's the reason they're losing. He could be, though. Maybe his like weird vibes. It's like they used to think that ice cream caused polio because if you looked at charts of ice cream sales and polio, and it turned out they just were both in the summer,

but people were like, I wonder about that. That's the AJ Brown with the Eagles losses. Jailen Hertz is just looking at these charts and I'm going to, I'm sure Petulow's like, I think we should not throw to him as much. And everyone's like, yeah. I was, dude, AJ Brown is, but the Eagles, though, the Eagles, AJ Brown was

Oppenheimer, like he had an amazing game, but the Eagles, Tamir, just so over. Like, it's so over, like the Eagles are so over. Like, this, they were getting booed at halftime, like, and the Bears did a great job, but the Eagles are broken. They went 21-0-0 on the Cowboys at halftime, and then, since then, they had

four straight quarters with just three points. I mean, again, the Eagles can't run the ball. Like, the Bears ran for, again, seven, sorry, 17 first downs, the Eagles ran for two. Sequin, under 60 yards, nine times the season. That's crazy. He's like, isn't he done basically half of what he did last year? Yes, yes.

Literally. It's like literally. And then the Eagles offense. In the same amount of games or whatever. It's not like he's, you know, whatever. No, he's averaging 120 yards rushing a game last year. Now it's like 60. The Eagles offense is also the coordinator.

It's designed so poorly. And it goes to Kevin Petulow, the coordinator, but it's like, it's Nick Sirianni's offense. Like it's Nick Seriani's offense. And where we say it's not creative. But what we're talking about, the Eagles are bottom five in pre-snap motion. So they're not trying to confuse the defense before the play. Their bottom two in play action fakes at the rate.

So they're also not trying to confuse the defense after the play. And they're predictable. And I mean this literally. AJ Brown literally lines up with a slot less than any receiver in the NFL. Like out of 139 receivers in the NFL, AJ Brown is in the slot literally last. Less than every other player. And it's so, I thought this Bears Eagles game was so apparent.

Like, it's so obvious because then the Bears, Ben Johnson had a play where DJ Moore lined up at fullback, offset to the left, like Kyle Eusecheck on the Niners, and then motion Colson Loveland, and then DJ Moore fucking goes and crack blocks Zach Bonn. And I never would have thought DJ Moore could block Zach Bonn until I saw it with my own eyes, and Kyle Minangai runs for like 20 yards.

And then when you see what Ben Johnson is doing, not just to create motion for big, cool plays, but to create angles in the running game, in non-traditional ways where it not just helps the passing game, but you're helping the running game because all the defenders on the Eagles are suddenly like you don't know, you could get hit by anyone at any time. Like you have to keep your head out of swevel because what DJ Moore. You're not reacting.

You're thinking. Yes, exactly. And so tight ends are blocking defensive tackles and they're winning, which is a schematic advantage, but it also creates a mental one. And then you see the Eagles and you're like, they're not have to worry about any of this stuff when you play the Eagles. You know exactly what's going to happen. You said they're second to last or last in the NFL and play action rate?

Like that's been a huge part of what the Bears are doing. They're getting under center. They're running play action. Like you said, they're using all kinds of different motions and sending guys on crack blocks across the formation. And they're using, they're using personnel and formation to,

like, mask what they're doing. So basically, like, they can run the same concept, but with the different personnel group there. And it's just, like,

makes it really, really hard for the opposing defense. to figure it out. Ben Johnson put it very simply after he got hired by Chicago, he was on part of my take and he was like,

just my whole goal, my whole philosophy is to make the same plays look different and make the different plays look the same. I love that. And he's like,

that's like the goal to the modern offense is create confusion like that. And the Eagles are like, they make all, every play looks exactly like what it exactly is. I'm like,

AJ Brown's on the left, Devantes, and it's on the right. They're going to run straight and turn around. So with that said, I had an intrusive thought watching the Seagulls game. Like a true intrusive thought in the vein

of I don't believe it, but I actually kind of think I'm right and I believe it's a take in embryonic form. Let's hear it. I'm watching the Seagulls Bears game, and I'm like, Jalen Hertz should be on the bench and they would have a way better chance of Tanner McKee was starting for me. Like, honestly, like Jalen Hertz should come in.

Super Bowl MVP, Jalen Hertz. Yes. Maybe even if it's just Tanner McKee calling plays. Maybe that would be better. Maybe you should do that. But the play calling, it's the chicken and they can't run, they can't throw. But I like, Jalen Hertz, he should kind of come in for the push and goal line. They're amazing at the goal line because of Jalen Hertz. But what's weird is Jailen Hertz, he can't really play from the pocket unless he is, and again, Eagles fans are going to lose their minds, but they know at this point. When you have the best offense line in the league,

it's totally healthy. Yeah, we have the best old line in the league and totally healthy. And Sequin is the best running back in the NFL. And your receivers are A. J. Brown and Devante Smith. and everyone's healthy. Yeah, Jill and Hertz fucking is great. And when it's not like that, it looks like this. And I got to tell you,

for the ones where everyone knows where it's coming, like the Tush push and the goal line, why can't he just come in for that? Is Tanner McKee really going to be worse than what we're watching with Hertz? Yeah.

Because he can't throw on the run or play from the pocket. Like this is the, Hertz playing from the pocket. He can't really deal with zone defenses. Like he's so, the processing takes so long that he, like, nothing's on time

so he can't play in the pocket. But he can't throw on the run so he doesn't really create out of structure. And he doesn't throw in the middle. A.J. Brown is constantly open over the middle. Every time there's a fucking replay, he's just like waving his hands, 15 yards down the field behind the linebackers.

And Hertz will just keep throwing it to the sideline. You know why? Jail Hertz is 6-1. And if he was six feet flat, it's all we talk about is he's short. We need a name for this when we think the backup could do a better job than the starter. Davis Mills or Jacoby Resett or something. I don't know what it is, but this feels like something Bill Simmons

would have come up with 15 years ago. It's like kind of the Ewing theory, but it's more specific to backup quarterback. I don't know what it is, but there is definitely something out there where it's like the backup could probably just run this offense better. Is there like a team that had a quarterback that they had given a big contract to and then like the backup came in and maybe had a better? But it's Foles is different because the Eagles were already good with Foyne.

He's talking. I think he's talking about Brady. I thought you were talking about Brady But yeah But yeah the Eagles were good with Winston He was like an MVP candidate And I don't know what it is But it's basically what's happening with Brissette

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Back to Oppenheimer for the second DK I wanted to shout out your Seahawks Also just 4026 nothing But also the Seahawks defense who I honestly was the number one score in fantasy football today. It was like AJ the only position. In Yahoo scoring, which is a little different than he's been,

Yahoo scoring, they had 30 points, which I believe was more than every position player in fantasy this week except AJ Brown. The goat. Seahawks had four picks. Did they have any other turnovers? I can't remember off the top of my head. Yeah, they'd fumble too.

Yeah, they did a pretty good job in this one. Turns out Max For Viking fans saying or asking, can it get worse than what we've seen with JJ McCarthy? I think you got your answer today. It was funny because, well, I don't even, I feel bad, like, piling on at this point on Max Brosner. He shouldn't have been in there probably, obviously, but there was like a little featurette before the game.

He's like, I've never been like the most physically impressive, fastest or biggest or strongest, but I always, I play with my head, you know, and I think that can get me really far. And I'm just like, the pick six that he threw to Ernest Jones. Dude. That was rough. That was one of the worst plays I've ever seen in my life. I mean, he like softball pitched the football like 40 miles an hour into Ernest Jones's lap. That looked like a heat-seeking missile targeted to a defender.

That was tough. I don't think it could have gone more directly to a defender if he had tried with his life. depending on it. Greg Olson, after the play was like, this is a learning moment for him. Yeah. The play's over, man. Just let it be over.

I get it, though, because it's hard to admit that you're on the four and you're like at the 20 and you're like just going to go down. And that was, it was the worst possible outcome. Yeah. It's also hard because I,

backups obviously make these plays more than starters because the backups are worse. But it's also like there's the element of they want to prove themselves to like get another job or get another. So it's like they're always trying their hardest to like make something magical happen. And it's most of the time it ends up in disaster. It's also an ick that it's Brozmer.

I don't like that. That's how they pronounced it in the game. Brozmer. I don't like, I don't love it. Who knew? I mean, Max Brosmer two years ago was playing against like New Hampshire.

He was in like the Neskak or whatever. Like, you know what I mean? I don't think he was prepared for the speed of the Seahawks defense. Perhaps. I don't know. We're going to go with, I assume J.J. McCarthy's concussion is real. Probably a well-timed one for his career arc,

because if he had been healthy and played in this game, and J.J. McCarthy had been the one to throw four interceptions. I don't know what would have become of J.J. McCartney's career. It wasn't going to be good for anyone to play the Seahawks defense the way they're playing right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was maybe perhaps calculated by Kevin O'Connell. And it was smart.

Next one for Oppenheimer here. D.K. Jordan Love and the Packers on Thanksgiving were pretty impressive. I want to give him a shout out because I feel like we've been a little wishy-washy on how much we were confident in him. He was really, really clutch in this game, Jordan Love was. Packers beat the Lions, 31 to 24 on Thanksgiving. You know, like from a stats point of view, 18 and 30 for 234 yards, not that great, but he had four touchdowns, including two to Don Tavian Wicks, one to Christian Watson, one to Romeo Dubs. And the ballsy game ceiling fourth down throw to Don Tavian Wicks was also very very very,

very, very impressive. He's basically pressure came immediately. He basically had to do that thing where you just back up as fast as you can to give your guys enough time to get into their route and get open. And then he just kind of lobbed it up for Don Tavian Wix. Wicks made a great play. Came down with it. But,

I mean, I thought it was just a really clutch performance by Jordan Love. He came up big in some big moments there. And now the Packers are in really good shape. Eight and three and one. They've beaten the lions twice. The lions are like in trouble. and but I will say the the Packers going forward have a really tough schedule.

Listen to the schedule for the Packers. A lot is going to happen in the next few weeks. They're they host the Bears. They're at the Broncos. They go to the Bears after that. So they get Bears two out of three in the next three weeks. Then the Ravens, then the Vikings to finish out the year. So the Packers have quite a gauntlet here that they that they have to go through.

But obviously, they're looking good right now. Love was fantastic. He was so good. And we just brought him up on the Wednesday power hour. The guys were not thankful for, and he answered the bell quite nicely. But I honestly feel better about the Packers watching that game. I know that Detroit's defense is not necessarily fantastic, but Love was super accurate.

He made a lot of incredibly difficult throws. He just looked like the guy that we saw almost go to the Super Bowl a few years ago. And knowing that that's still there, and, you know, the Packers are pretty, well-rounded. I don't know. I still am not super confident in them like in the NFC, but I do feel a lot better about like Jordan Love's ceiling right now. Yeah,

I agree. It's just how often he can hit it. Anthony Dubundo, here at the Ringer with us, said to me a week ago, he's like, I think the Packers, or two weeks ago, he said, I think the Packers are the best team in the NFC. And I was like, you are on crack. And this was, I still

couldn't get that Panthers game out of my mind where they lost to the Panthers and Jordan left through that passed in the end zone. But watching this game, I was like, no one told Dubundo this, but I was like, you know what? The Packers might be the best team in the NFC. I don't know if I'd go there. I still would take the Rams. Part, when Michael Parsons is,

he had he had some unbelievable, unbelievable place. He's truly one of those game record types. I still can't. It's so funny, the Cowboys got rid of them and got better. Football's weird. I will say, Packers lost Devante Wyatt, though, on defense. the defensive tackle.

I think he's out for the season, so that's bad. But Jordan Love, Jordan Love's playing, we will have to have a Jordan Love conversation at some point about how good he actually is because I think he's creeping

really, really, really high up. He's like making all these receivers kind of fantasy relevant too. Like Christian Watson, Dantabian Wix is now, Romeo Dobbs is still. Yeah.

Yeah. And the kind of market corrected the Lions. Kind of stole the lines thunder. The Lions went 0 for 2 and 4th down. The Packers went 3 for 3. And Jordan Love pulled up Bryce Young, two touchdown passes and fourth down. Rarified error.

It's right up there with Bryce Young. It's so over. We're so back. It's so over for the AFC North. It's over. The whole division. The whole division. It's over.

The Bengals are probably the best team, I would say. And that's weird. Do they have any chance of being in the playoffs? No. They're like three and eight. It's funny. I think the two best units... They're not mathematically eliminated, though, right?

No, technically, it's like they have a 1% chance. The two best units in the AFC North... are the Bengals offense and the Browns defense, which is hilarious. Yeah, so I'll, I'm, the, the Steelers and the Ravens lost this week. The Ravens lost on Thanksgiving in pathetic fashion. They lost 32 to 14 to the Bengos. The Ravens were so lucky that game was at night and everyone was unconscious. He's 100%.

Everyone was taking a nap. Everybody was knocked out. Lamar was terrible. He better be so hurt. I need to hear. He doesn't look that hurt to me. He better have three torn ligaments because I'm done. So I'm not drafting him next year and I know that's stupid.

But like I'm out. I think he should be in the burn book. I mean, he's just torpedoed anybody in fantasy. Like it's over. This is like the home stretch to make your playoffs. And the last three weeks he's had four, seven, and six. I put together, we're going to play the Kyle Pitts game with Lamar Jackson. We're going to do two players who have outscored Lamar Jackson over the last three weeks and one who hasn't.

Ready? Two players averaging more points than Lamar over the last three weeks and a lie. David Sills, Matt Collins, and Gunner Helm. Two of those are scoring more than Lamar. I think David Sills had another touchdown today. God damn right he did. High Fitt's a great call, by the way. High Fids brought him up a couple of weeks ago as a guy to like monitor.

I said he'd be better than Lamar Jackson over the next day. Yeah, he did say that. Yeah, run that tape back. I'm going to say Gunner Helm and David Sills. I'm gonna say Gunner Helm is the lie Gunner Helm is the lie he's just below So close 08 below Lamar Jackson

But it's a disaster The Ravens Gunner Helm has scored almost the exact same amount of points Lamar at zero touchdowns over the last three weeks Shador Sanders is averaging more points than Lamar Jackson For the last three weeks He's not running he's not accurate right now The entire team is completely discomb Yeah

I don't know why but Shador bothers me more than gutter helm that bothers me way more. I don't know why. Which you shouldn't. It should. Gunner Helms way more concerning. People are also probably listening and being like Craig's a little dramatic. Like how bad could this game have been?

No, I'm not. I'm not being dramatic. Shield Capadia, another coworker here at the ringer, posed to this, based on expected points added per drive, the Ravens Thanksgiving performance was the worst offensive EPA per drive performance. The Ravens have added in any regular. season game with Lamar Jackson as a starter.

103 out of 103 for Lamar in the regular season. He has three straight games without a touchdown. When it was two, he had never done that before. Now it's three in a row without a touchdown. If you look at the last three weeks, I'm going to piggyback off shield. The last three weeks, the Ravens,

30th in passer rating, 31st in passing EPA behind only Minnesota. 30th in sack rate, and they're 29th on third down convergence. It is one of those, where he came back and he was hurt and he played well against the dolphins and then he kept getting sacked and they got an ankle injury. Then he played Miles Garrett who kicked the shit out of him and they got an ankle injury and then it's like he's adding all this stuff. But the

flip side is when you watch him, it's like these are also things like the sacks and stuff were issues like before he got hurt, the line when he was putting up fantasy points, but the lion sacked him like seven times. And I don't know exactly what it is. I think it's multiple things. One, I don't think the Ravens Guard's are very good. I think the Ravens have tried, I guess the word is experiments at guards. Like the Ravens have tried to do some out galaxy brain stuff. The right guard they have Daniel Falali

is like the biggest player, the biggest guard in NFL history. He's like six seven or six eight. Andrew Voorhees, their left guard is what was his deal like a decade? He tore his Achilles. Was it at the combine? Like they tried to arbitrage his recovery into being a starter.

So I forget how long he's even been in the NFL, but like he was like a red shirt. But he, like they're, that's experimental shit. Like these are guys that don't have a ton of football experience that are starting. And frankly, it hasn't worked. So that's part of the problem. But there's also, I kind of think Lamar crashes out sometimes. I feel like he presses.

And the Thursday Thanksgiving game, I think he started well. And then a bunch of stuff went wrong. But at this point, it's in the Ravens water. Like there's something wrong with the team. I'm sorry. Isaiah likely did it. He fumbled out of the end zone. I was going to say at the one.

Start saying some of the stuff that his teammates were fucking up in this game because it wasn't just him. I mean, he definitely had, he had three really ugly turnovers, yes. But Isaiah likely fumbled the ball at the goal line. This is like just classic ravens. This is like Zay Flowers last year. Which is how they didn't go to the Super Bowl was reaching for the goal line. He was like reaching for the goal.

Well, it was like a good play by the defender, but he fumbled into the end zone, whatever. Zay Flowers, he also had a fumble late in the game after they kind of like had a chance to like make it interesting. And he had a 40-yard touchdown called back for a phantom offensive pass. call that was insane. And so, and then also, just like a bunch of stupid shit that they did. Tess Walker dropped a 40 yard pass. Like, you could argue that Lamar had

a hundred yards and three touchdowns called back in this, like, just messed up by other people in this game. Yeah. But after that, I kind of think he just kind of lost it after that. But I mean, his turn, like the, the turnover he had like at a four yard line

where he tried to escape the pocket and just like goes, and like, wobbled the ball. And like gave it to the, gave it to the, Bengals. I'm like, that was ridiculous. Then he tried to throw a ball and then hold up and it just like slipped out of his fingers. I mean, these are just like rookie year stuff that we. The Bengals.

It looked like rookie year. The Bengals are a historically bad defense. I know. That's the brutal part. And they can't stop tight ends. And that's like the whole thing. And they have two of the better tight ends in the league. And they couldn't do anything still.

Well, they did. They got to the one. He just fumbled it out of the back. Sure, sure. So it's so over for them. And also for my sweet Pittsburgh's, Steelers. It is deeply over for them as well. Yeah. I mean, a lot of been over for them. It has been over, but things are coming to a head and it

might be over for Mike Tomlin for, I don't know what, for an entire regime in Pittsburgh because things are rough today. They lost 26 to 7 to the bills in Pittsburgh. Crowd was booing, fire Tomlin. You know, the quotes after the game are horrible. I saw someone's, Mark Cabali said that Renegade got booed. Renegade got booed. Which he has never seen in his life. That is an all-time low. For those who don't know, Renegade is a song they play

at the end, somewhere around the end of the third quarter where they want a big defensive stop. Stewards fans are obsessed with it. I actually would argue, Craig, I think Renegade being booed is the most concerning thing I've ever heard of in the Tomlin era. We're turning the fans in Pittsburgh into the fans in Philadelphia.

Like, you know what I mean? It's just the opposite side of Pennsylvania. And now they're like, actually, fuck this team. Fuck our coaches. Fuck all of this. just middle fingers to the crowd like oh happy for you son everything the Steelers should do and who they are as a team they're not doing anymore it's like the bills ran for a record 249 yards

in Pittsburgh which is the most since 1975 249 rushing yards sorry I should say in Pittsburgh the most since 1975 they sack Josh Allen zero times they get no pressure on them the bills did not have either of their starting tackles and yet we can't do anything the Steelers offense is even more putrid Rogers looks like a homeless man out there, like an old homeless man sometimes. Jesus Christ. It's like bleeding.

He's like bandages on his face. It's great beard. Looks like an actual bum. He looks like a bum from an Adam Sandler movie. And it's just terrible. It's so bad. They had three yards at the third quarter, man. It's just,

it's tilting slightly to the left. No, that's just because you only have one shoe on. The hilarious part about this is like they could totally still make the playoffs. Are you going to hate that? Are you going to hate that? Craig, when you wrote that down, I was laughing. I saw that in the dock, I was like, it's so fucking true.

He's like, he looks like an unkempt beard. And like, he just like, he looks bewildered at all times. Yeah, he'd be eating rich crackers off the field. I think I didn't have a go more. Yeah, man, it's, it's bad. And yet, they can make the playoffs. And they honestly might. Like, they're six and six.

The Ravens are six and six. Their schedule is fine. And I'm like, this is going to, the Ravens and the Steelers have yet to play each other. They're going to play each other twice very soon. And, Week 18 is Steelers Ravens. Both those teams are going to be like 8 and 8 in week 18 and the winner is going to go in the playoffs.

I guarantee it. And you know what? This was probably going to happen is the Steelers are going to be like 8 and 9 somehow make the playoffs and then win a playoff game. That's the most Steelers thing that can happen. Roger is going to come back. I saw a stat that in this is. They're going to beat Denver in the playoffs.

Of course. Of course. The Steelers are 6 and 11 in their last 7th. games. So like their last full season, they're six and 11. Yeah, because they lost five straight to end last year with rush. Did we even mention... And they feel like that. They feel like a six and eleven team right now. Did we even mention that

the bills of the most rushing yards in Pittsburgh since 1975? Yeah, I said that. Craig said it. Oh, fuck, sorry. Craig, hyphids, I got to call you out when you do this shit. Because when I do it, you make fun of me. No, I did. He said it like twice. I think the Steelers should fire Mike Dominant. Okay, do you do actually?

I do. 100%. What, what, okay, like, if he's gone and we bring somebody else in and we suck. What am I going to say? Man, I wish we were 8 and 9, 9, 9, and 9, and getting the doors blown off us every playoffs like Tomlin. Do you agree? It's been 10 years since they won a playoff game, basically. I would say, here's what

I'd say, sometimes something new is good. Like, there was, I can't remember who said it, but it was something that I was talking about with regards to Pete Carroll's, like, you just, at some point, you need new ideas to come Even though I still think Pete Carroll is a good coach this year notwithstanding. You know, it's like the Belichick thing too. Like just after a while, you've been there for too long.

You need to move on. You need new ideas. You need a new voice. You need new messaging and things like that, a new strategy. Because things just get stale. Yes. And you know what I mean? And the league is constantly changing and adapting.

And it feels like the Steelers are the model right now for the team that is not adapting to what the league is doing. The coordinators that they bring in do not work. Justice for Matt Canada a little bit because like it's just like none of it is working. The defensive stuff that Tomlin should be good at is old and unimaginative and they're not evolving. And I'm like, look, two things, both things can be true. Tomlin is still a great coach. And if he goes to Tennessee, he'll be one of the, he'll be the probably most desired coach if he gets fired. And he'll go to a shitty team like Tennessee and he'll probably make them really rock solid.

And yet I still think the Steelers should get rid of him. I have literally never taken Steelers fans saying fire Tomlin seriously until today. Right. Because, again, like the most easy thing to take for granted is just being competitive every year and how brutal the NFL is. And I've just always felt the simple thing of, cool, if you fire Mike Tomlin is literally going to get paid more to go somewhere else. Like, he will get a raise. However, today I kind of thought, I was watching. the Steelers play and how uncompetitive they were against the bills, even with

turnovers. They weren't competitive. They weren't competitive against the chargers. And I kind of realized if they fire Tomlin and they replaced him as someone else, and this guy, the new guy, put this product on the field or any product the Steelers have put forth in the last six years. He'd be canned at week seven. He'd be fired so quick.

Yeah. And like, and I realize this. like Mike Tomlin always says the standards is the standard. The Steelers have not met the standard in like six years, but the last few have been particularly pathetic. And it is, the game has passed him by, and it's weird because he's like 53. But he was the youngest, he was the McVeigh when he got fired.

He was in his 30s. You mentioned Pete Carroll, D.K. Let me tell you something. I know Pete Carroll is the oldest coach in the NFL history. Mike Tomlin and Pete Carroll have coached the same amount of seasons in the NFL. Really? 19. Now, Pete Carroll is in college, but like, who cares?

Like, NFL seasons coached. Mike Tom and Pete Carroll have had the same tenure. And that goes back to the early 90s for Carroll. And like when you watch the Steelers, it is like the Pete Carroll thing. What they're doing, like they are unable to keep up with modern offenses. I kind of don't understand why they can't pass the football. Like, I don't really get it. There are moments when there's like a two-minute drill

and they have to get down the field quickly, and they kind of can. Like, sometimes Rogers just like... Because they have one good receiver, Greg. But sometimes he can just like easily hit darn out Washington for 25 yards over the middle of the field, and I don't understand whether... And then every other part of the game,

they just like check it down to Kenneth Gainwell every time. I don't understand. There was a really funny tweet from Seth Rorabaugh. Shouts out Seth. After the game, he said, Mike Tomlin is going to say something like, we can't eat soup with forks. We need foods at the press conference

and then the Steelers are going to sign a 2018 pro bowler to their practice squad. And that's exactly right. Like that's the whole point, though. It was like the Tomlinisms like worked for a while and now the tuxitos are starting to look fucked up. Yeah. It reminds me so much of the ending of the Pete Carroll era

where it was just like we were saying the same thing as Seahawk fans. It was just like, the league is passing you by. You can't beat the people in your division. and blah, blah, like all this stuff. It's, it's, like I said, I think he's a good coach.

I still think Pete Carroll's a good coach. I know there's been dog shit for the Raiders this year, but generally, like, sometimes you just need to move on and do something different. If the Steelers were smarter, they would trade White Talman

for a pick to a team. Yeah. And if the Steelers... What do you think you get a betch right now? Second? First? Uh, at least a second. Yeah.

I think, The problem is, like, it depends where he probably want to pick where he goes. He could probably rather get fired, but I think you can get straight him. I don't know how much is left in his contract. I think coaches get traded more. Anyway, yeah. It's just funny. It's 20 years long time.

It's so over, but they'll also probably make the playoffs. They're going to make the playoffs. They're going to win a game. Yeah, it's going to be like the Seahawks piecequake type thing. You watch. D.K., who else is so over for? It's so over the Colts wagon. The wagon crashed on the,

the Oregon Trail. You died fording the river. You contracted dysentery. I'm sorry. Fording the river. I didn't even know that was a verb. Diphtheria. What does fording mean? It's the Oregon Trail.

Trying to cross the river. You ford it? Yeah. When you got in the water, when you're walking with the horses and you're kind of crossing. I didn't know that was a verb. On the game Oregon Trail, it was really hard to go across rivers. You have to like float your fucking

wagon across the river. Is this what Ford comes from? was Ford was the people. Is fording the river the real term? Yeah, it is. It says Ford means to of a person or vehicle cross a river or stream at a shallow place. Hell yes. I thought for a minute I was going crazy.

That's just one of those words that literally no one in 2025 says. Fording the river. I almost wrote fjording the river, but I was like, that's not right. Anyway, yeah. So I'm a little worried the cults peaked way too early. Well, you know what the problem might be. that Daniel Jones fucking broke his fibula.

What was going on with this one? I had to watch an NFL network reporter whose name I will not say, who I am sure was told this, and medically is probably technically correct. But medically it's one thing, but how it comes out on television is he has the broken leg,

but doctors say it can't get worse, so he will play. And I'm like, well, it could definitely get worse. could get worse. I think what they meant is like it can't get running on it isn't going to make it worse. Yeah. However. I saw somebody say it's like he can't move laterally now.

I'm like that's kind of important. There was a clip of him warming up or was at practice or something this week and he was moving very gingerly. And I was like, uh, you know what's funny? What's going on here? You know what's funny? All quarterbacks when they get hurt move like Patrick Mahomes does all the time. Yeah. the key is to always be hurt

like Ben Rastisberger. That's like the whole is you're always limping. How are you always so calm? He's like, I'm always angry. Yes. You know? I don't know how to feel about this cult's performance, D.K.

Because on one hand, the Texan defense is top tier. It's right there with the Seahawks and the Broncos when Riley and Moss isn't on its 80 to snap and all these guys. But the flip side is, I guess Daniel Jones, just when I want to write him off, the Colth kind of,

almost did win this game. In the end, it was weirdly similar to the Bill's Texas game for Thursday football where wow, look at the Texas defense dominate.

Colts might win anyway on the final drive. Like, Daniel Jones was getting passes to Alex Pearson, everything. All those passes were high, though.

And Dale Jones just kind of does that. Like, there's a hospital ball of a moment, but they, I would say, yes, no, I agree with you.

I think I was kind of making like the Oregon Trail joke, but it's not like the Colts played horribly in this one, but, you know, I thought they were, they flashed at moments. I will say it,

just doesn't feel the same like it did earlier in the year, like where they're just unstoppable. Obviously, this was a good defense they played. But they've now lost three out of their last four games. They lost the Chiefs. They beat the Falcons. They lost the Steelers before that.

Now, they're eight and four on the year now. The Jags have actually overtaken them in the division. The Jags are also eight and four. And Houston is nipping at their heels. So this is turning into a real battle in the AFC South, which is kind of what we've been expecting. But like you said, Daniel Jones has a broken lake. Sauce Gardner, who they traded two first round picks for, has a probably pretty significant injury.

It's not a non-contact calf strap. He said it felt like he got shot in the calf. And so he was at first a little worried that it was the Achilles tendon. But it sounds like it's not the Achilles tendon based on what we know right now. It's fine. But the point is he's probably not going to be there for a while. That is. I thought the Texans played really well

in the high leverage situations in this game which is what you kind of worry about with a retread like Daniel Jones on third down there were three for 10 not taking away from what Daniel Jones has done this year but this is like the same issues I worry about with the Seahawks with Sam Darnell I'm like okay when it's third and ten

what do they look like because that's going to come in the playoffs the Colts Upcoming schedule Prayer ball to Alex Pierce or Michael Bittman is what it looks like the Colts upcoming schedule is very tough they play at the Jags next week,

which obviously has a lot of divisional ramifications. They play at the Seahawks the week after that against the 49ers, who despite losing their two best defensive players are still freaking battling out there. They play the Jags again the week after that. They play at the Texans again in week 17 or week 18 or whatever, the last game of the year. So that is, I mean,

that is a freaking gauntlet for the Colts too. So, you know, there's a chance where they lose three of these games. obviously who knows what's going to happen down the stretch, but things are not looking great for them right now. I want to look into it more,

and I wonder if teams are doing something to limit Jonathan Taylor in a way more than the beginning of the season because these three losses in the last month, all three of them are the three worst rushing performances of the year for Jonathan Taylor. And to me, like, that's the biggest difference is if the running game's not working,

the rest of it doesn't follow. Well, I think that's what's happening, though, it's because they were winning. It's like you run the ball when you're winning, and so they were scoring in every drive so then they're running all the time and then suddenly they're behind and now it's like oh shit well there's a little bit of the element

of last year where Sequan's ripping off these 60 yard touchdowns and when that doesn't happen like it's it looks different you know what I mean it's like 60 yards and then you have a 60 yard you're like oh it ran for 120 cool it's like actually more like he had 60 yards at the end of a 60

yard game I we have to I just want to linger for one second on the sauce gardener thing the Colts gave up two first round picks to get Sauce Gardner from the Jets, the cornerback, which we all thought was a pretty, pretty hefty price for healthy Sauce Gardner because you're kind of paying for his form from three years ago. Sauce Gardner, the Colts lost the two games that Sauce Gardner actually played in full, and then he's hurt with a non-contact caffantry,

and the Colts gave up two first round picks for this guy that we don't know if he's going to, to play. And if it's a calf injury, maybe he shouldn't play because then his Achilles is at risk. That is quietly maybe one of the worst trades. Like between that, the Falcons giving up a first round pick to the Rams for what might be a top 10 pick. And then the Jaguars giving up a first next year for Travis Hunter to go two ways. And then Travis Hunter ends up being on injured reserve for the season. Throw in Michael Parsons. This is one of the all-time bad trade years. And the Jaguars overtook the Colts for the division, even though they traded up for Travis Honor, and he didn't help them win any of

these games. And the Jags have the same record. Yeah, no, the trade, we might have to do a power hour this year. We should do that. We should look back at the trades this season. They've been crazy trades. Yeah. D.K., are you worried about Jonathan Taylor at all? As a mini-farter shark category, a little toot.

Toot. Not yet. Not yet. I mean, I don't think he looks any worse. I think you're right, though, like if teams bottle him up and he can't get loose, that makes the goal's pretty one-dimensional. But I don't know. I don't think there's anything specific to worry about in terms of he doesn't look slower

or anything like that, right? No. No, I think it'll be fine. The Texas have an amazing defense. I think it'll be fine. He's also quietly been pretty dynamic in terms of they're using him in the passing game as well. I looked it up he's at he scored like the sixth or seventh most points from receiving this

year too. So it's not like he's a one-dimensional back who if he can't get going on the ground. He's like worthless and fantasy. I'm talking just like strictly from fantasy. He's still producing in the air too. All right. We have to go to America's favorite segment here. Fart or Shart? I want I want to be like Oregon where every week we wear a different jersey combination

that's never been seen. I want a new one of these every single week forever. I feel like we have had. Have we had any? Send us more. I'll go through the email. Keep sending them. We will use them. A different one every week would be amazing. Okay. We can do that. we can make that happen. That one had kind of a good little baseline. That was kind of a vibe.

All right. I'm actually not going to ask this question to D.K. for once. D.K., you can take the week off. Danny Hyfitz. The Kansas City Chiefs, Boston and Dallas Cowboys are now six and six. They have an extremely tough schedule coming up.

Things have looked pretty bad. Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs offense. Fart or shart? I think this is a shart. I think this is a huge shart. I think this is like a long-term problem. I think this is like a medical problem.

Like as in, I need to like change their diet. No, I'm saying like I think the Andy Reid chiefs have become the late Andy Reid Eagles. I don't think this is getting fixed. Like this season or next or like I don't think this version of the chiefs will return to what we saw.

And they're actually like, they're not like the Patriots who will go on for 15 more years. They're like every other great team, which is six years is a long time. And they're not getting back to the mountain top in this, with the Andy Reid. Make the case for why you might be wrong. Why I'm wrong is Mahomes is great. But the case I'm wrong is that Andy Reid at 66 will continue to innovate. And Steve Spagnolo at 65 will innovate.

And eventually Matt's Nagy will take over for Andy Reid and they'll keep on rolling forever. and, you know, they have invested in offense, and Rishie Rice is really good, and he could get better because coming off the knee injury, and this is, in theory, the worst he should be, and that Kelsey's going to retire, but, you know, they have Xavier Worthy could be good, and Marquis Brown can be good,

all those guys who are first-run picks. They have Josh Simmons, who is a first-run pick who also is coming off in the injury. All these guys should be better in theory. They have a lot of young talent on defense. Like, the Chiefs could be good. I just think this is exactly what happened with the Eagles. Shout out to Cody Alexander at Match Quarters,

who was screaming to The Void about this, all August. This is what happened to the Eagles late with Andy Reed, but it's also the Chiefs were very well suited to win with the game within the game at the NFL of like three or four years ago. I can't tell you how on the money Cody Alexander was at a great sub-stack match quarters. Steve Spagnola was doing really cool shit on defense two or three or four years ago.

That's now, they were too good, victim of their own success. Everyone's doing that stuff now. So the Chief's advantage on defense is kind of going away because the novel stuff they were doing schematically is now so common. It's not new anymore. But on offense, look around the league. Who's scoring? It is teams who could, the Rams, even look at the bears, teams that can play under center

and run the ball under center and then build play action off of it and get chunk plays. The chiefs have no under center running game and the chief has no play action. And so they have no offense. It is an interesting point and just general NFL thing that, and you see this all the time, like, where a team will be really innovative about something and they'll have an immense amount of success because of it for a few years, but then the lead catches up. They figure out more ways to stop that. A lot of teams start doing that stuff that you're doing. They start drafting the players that are going to be really good at that. So it diminishes your advantage that way.

and it's just like really, really hard to continue to innovate and be the only innovator. You know what I mean? Like you can't sometimes it's all cyclical. Someone else is going to innovate something else next. You know what I mean? Look at the A's and Moneyball. Like that was fun for a little while.

And then every other team was like, we can just do this with all of our money. Billy Bean had a, really being had a good thing going. He couldn't keep his fucking mouth shut. Told it to a book. You know what? You know, it's funny.

The guy invented Moneyball. They won one division title one time. Totally. They never, that's like the funny thing about the A's. It's like, they never really had that much success. They overachieved, but it wasn't like that great. Would have done great if you just shut the fuck up. But.

Yeah, but now we all know his name. But I think I. True. And that's the most important thing. It's the same. Legacy. The Andy Reed thing, though, I think it's the same as the Mike Tomlin thing where I, I know that's a little aggressive because the Chiefs just went to three straight Super Bowls.

And I know that this is maybe insane. You're like, oh, it's been like a bad couple months. Chiefs have also been like this for like three years, and they kind of got, you know, they had to hit every single draft pick for three straight defensive drafts to get there. I'm just saying, I, maybe this is an intrusive thought,

but I kind of just think the chiefs are going to come back to an always above average team, but I don't think these issues you see with Kansas City every week are going to get fixed because Andy Reid's been in the NFL for 27 years. and I just I just I don't know it's he's the second best coach of the 21st century he's in our first ballot Hall of Famer but I don't know I kind of think this is going to putter out over the next three or four years and then Matt Nagy's going to take over the team and that'll be weird too so right now there's six and six the NFL's playoff uh like picture bot thing says they have a 37%

chance of making the playoffs right now they have to win they have to win out the cheese have to win out. I mean, they play the Texans next week. They're ahead of them in the wildcard standing, so they have to be the Texans. And then if they lose to the charges the week after that, the next two weeks, the chiefs have to go two and oh the next two weeks, so they're fucked. I still, for some reason, maybe I'm being stubborn, but

I still believe. I think it'll be fine. I'm not saying the Chiefs are going to suck. I'm saying that this 10-win seasons are good enough for this team. 11 wins. It's like this team, the whole, Mahomes has never made, not made the conference championship. I just think that that, you know, that might not happen forever.

Perhaps they will stop making conference championship games. And then when the Chiefs make the wild card round and win handily and then lose the division around, that will be very disappointing. Yeah. But for most teams, that's a good year. That's all. Which is exactly what happened to the Eagles. Anyway.

Here's where the Chiefs really start trying. Yeah. This is where they're really going to start trying and turn it on. Any other intrusive thoughts? Yeah, I have one. I've been a defender of him for many years now, but I'm starting to turn on Scott Hanson. Ha ha.

Yeah. And it's not because... Welcome. I don't think it's for the same reasons that everybody else gives. Like, I feel like D.K., you don't like that he, he, like, thinks highly of himself. He tries to, like, take over and, like, speak over the commentators of the actual game. And he's kind of, like, trying to be the star of the day.

not letting the games be the star. My issue is that I actually think he tries to be, he kind of tries to be kind of casual and funny and he forces so much of it and it's like watching bad improv a little bit. He will almost begin sentences and he does not know where they're going to end. And I think he's so scattered

because there's so many goddamn games going on that his brain is just like not capable of doing that in that moment and yet he forces it. He's always like, he's always like, and we go to the Cardinals who are flying high in Tampa Bay after the rush by Jacobi Bress. Excuse me, the past by Jacoby Bresset. And you're like, what do you talk?

He's always like, let's see if Jacksonville can give their fans something to drive home, the smile on their face about. And you're like, I don't, you don't have to do that. He said something dumb today that was like, I hope you had a Thanksgiving. Oh. I know. People in glass houses, right? But yeah, still.

Every time he's just like, let's head on over to Houston where Daniel Jones is trying to give the Texans fans a bad day. The part Craig is nailed is the slight pause sometimes between names of three unnatural. As he's trying to double check the jersey. You know what they find out to. You don't have to colloquialize everything and have to be like a quippy thing. Just be like, let's head to Arizona where Jacoby Brissette's driving. Just do that.

My take on the whole situation is that we've somehow turned, Scott Hansen into a fucking hero for what he does. It's like he figured out red zone. It's like he invented it. You just work here. I'm like, if we didn't have Scott Hansen, we wouldn't have football. He single-handedly is bringing us these games.

He sits there all day. He's on watches the games. He's always like, he's not a hero. It's true. He's treated like a firefighter. If people weren't like lionizing him like mythologizing everything,

that he does, like I would not have a take on it but I'm like, he is one man. He is mortal, you know? He's out there. You know what they're trying to figure out what the fuck's going on in the game is just like everyone else. He's like, and let's go across the pond to Tampa Bay. And he was like, well, it's not, one

time he was like, well, it's actually the Gulf of Mexico. But you get what I mean. What the fuck is going on? It's, it's, you know what else? They screwed up because they tried to do some behind the seed stuff. And you know what? Some things are better left. Yeah.

He's not pissing for the entire day. A wizard of Oz pulled back the curtain. And they showed that when he's doing that, I just kind of thought he was at his desk the whole time. And he's just breathing over guy's shoulders. Standing up, looking over the shoulder of the one person who's at the monitor for each game and they have the 15 people looking at the 15 games.

And he's just standing over looking. So now in my head, they never should have showed that to us. Because now when he says, Craig, that's such a good impression, do it again for like the Raiders and Gina Smith on the charges. And we head to Los Angeles. where Gino Smith is trying to make, Sage, you come back in the city of dreams.

So now, the city of angels. I, and now I am picturing him just hunched over someone else's computer monitor saying this, and I have the ick. I know. You know what they should do? If they want to show the behind the scenes, they should build it out. Like, like, he's fucking Tony Stark, and he's, like, throwing things around. He's got the gloves on.

Like, he's pushing. He's an actual hero. Yeah. Yeah. I want like make it seem really, really cool. He's a super fucking hero. We're just never show him at all. It's all so far. I don't know. I'm just like, man, he's, he's a pretty good announcer at this like Red Zone thing,

which is absolutely revolutionized how you watch sports. Like, we don't have to, we don't have to put him on Mount Rushmore, all right? He does the interviews like he invented it. Like, it wasn't his idea. He does a little bit. And we had to Seattle where the cold weather is affecting the, The Buccaneers. Like, what?

It would be hard to do second ways all day. He doesn't need to. You don't do them. Less is more. As we say, 90-nice to a podcast. Intrusive, any other intrusive thoughts? I know I should say.

I love not doing live pods because it's just way harder. In person, it feels different. I actually love doing them in front of people. That's so fun. The live pods on YouTube. Bill does it every night on Sundays. It's impressive. It's hard to do.

So I feel for Scott Hansen a little bit. It's true. Craig actually did six different versions of those impressions. And then we just picked the one that was best. Yeah, I mean, you know, Scott Hansen is holding his pee and cooking for eight straight hours every Sunday. But yeah. Holding his pee? He didn't actually do that. I just, I don't know if people will believe me or not.

Does he eat? He doesn't eat all day either. I think he gets an IV drip. I think I'm coming around on them, actually. I think maybe I do think he's a hero. You know those like like hangover IV drips? I think he just has that going constantly. So he's always peaking.

Damn. Yeah. Also the peeing thing, I got to tell. This is another, sorry, I know we're going forever. I know, I think about this now because we heard about it so much. There's so many moments he can piss during the fucking games. Also, like. There's so many times he could piss.

Gentlemen's Piss Club, like we could work something out here where we can give him some of our proprietary technology and have a stool that is also a urinal or something. That's a good. Yeah, get him with catheter. Let him, yeah, I mean, hook him up to something. any of their intrusive thoughts I have the thought today that I think Kyle Pitts might actually be good

you did shut your mouth he looked pretty good shut it I'm not gonna look it's an intrusive thought I didn't make any trades or act on it or anything like that you know I wasn't like going out and trying to

acquire him anywhere but he had a pretty good day he had a pretty good day All right. How the fuckins finish? Dead last? I don't know. They didn't win. I have one more intrusive thought, and it's, I think first place schedules are too hard now. I don't like it.

I think the fucking chiefs and shit. I don't like every week, the bills and these guys are just getting the shit kicked out of them. I want them to make it to the playoffs. I want all the good teams to be 12 and 5 or 13 and 4, and they have a couple of hard games, and then they save it all for the playoff. It's like every week, the chiefs are like, Bill, Ravens, Bears and I'm like,

God damn, slow down. It's fucking impossible. Give them a couple easy ones. It's why all these teams like the Patriots and Bears and shit are doing well because of the easiest schedules. All the good teams

are, it's the Super Bowl every week for them. Have you ever seen the meme where it's like, you've picked too many battles, take one and put it back. Nope, that's still too many battles. Put another one back.

It's like, I don't know, it's like some fucking Lord of the Rings thinks. Skippy has one. It's funny. But that was like, The fucking, this is the chief schedule. Chargers, Eagles,

Ravens, Lions, bills, Broncos, Colts, Cowboys, Texans, chargers, Broncos. I'm like, what the fuck? Meanwhile, the Patriots are playing fucking, like, Jets and Titans every week. Yeah, they somehow just play the Jets

10 times. I don't know. I'm just like, maybe ease up a little bit. Maybe we're too strong on that. Jets beat the Falcons today, by the way. Yeah. Huge for Highfitts and the Giants. Are you guys number one now?

Who's number one? Until the Giants beat the Patriots. a football. Oh yeah, and by the way, the Giants haven't played yet. Tennessee's got the first pick, but the Giants currently have the second. It could be somebody great.

Could change the whole trajectory of the franchise. First place schedules are too hard. Too hard. This is a good one from you. It's good. I just wanted to be easier for all the great teams. Oh, my God, it's so easy for these damn last place teams. Look at who the bills have to play.

It's like unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Ick of the week, TK, who gave you the ick this week? I'm going to say this. It's kind of like an intrusive thought, kind of an ick. I'm kind of over the whole Sam Darnold thing. I want to believe, like, we've had their ups and downs. Obviously, the Seahawks are a good team.

What did you win 26 to zero today? Yeah, it's because the defense had four picks, including one pick six. All right. The offense didn't do jack shit. All right. I just had the thought today. I should have put this in intrusive thoughts because I don't really, really believe this. but like how different is Sam Darnold from James Winston?

Really? Okay, Sam Darnold today, two more fumbles, lost one of them. Again, these are just like, he's getting sacked. Like, you could blame the offensive line, and that's fair. Like, the offensive line did not do a great job today for the Seahawks. And the Vikings are a really good blitzing team. But he's just, his awareness, it's very concerning to me. He's now, he kept pace with Tua and Gino today.

He still has the most turnoff. over is in the NFL. Sam Darnold does. And he's either throwing the most incredible touchdown, like touch pass down the field, drop it in a bucket, 50 yards down the field, or he's turning it over, fumbling, or getting the ball batted at the line of scrimbers. He had like five or six batted passes today, too. I'm just like, he just kind of drives me insane.

I've done that thing where, you know, like the bell curve meme where it's like, at the beginning of the year, I'm like, Sam Darnold, not very good. I'm kind of worried about this middle of the season. I'm like, he's the fucking best. I've never seen a better quarterback. Now I'm back at the bat. I'm like, okay, he's kind of a liability, isn't he? You're like, I kind of see why the Minnesota Vikings got rid of him for J.J. McCarthy.

He's won 14 games and just let him go. And they were like, eh, I don't think he's the guy. Yeah, pass. Dude, they had a graphic on the Seahawks game today of just quarterbacks who have the most wins across two seasons on two different teams. And it was Tom Brady, Patriots, 2019, Bucks, 2020. Peyton Manning from final cold season Broncos and Sam Darnold. And I was like, one of these things is not like the other.

Come on. Come on. Come on. I mean, look, I still am overall bullish. And I think the Sam Darnold experiment has gone well for the Seahawks. But I was like really annoyed with him today. And I've been really annoyed with them over the last few weeks. My ache of the week was just the tush push kept failing today.

And I was like, it just disgusted it every single time. Yeah. I know. I'm kind of sick of teams doing it. I'm like, do something else on fourth and one. I regret demanding every single team does this. And I was like figuring out. And it turned out all their tight ends do it now.

But just, I mean, the Brown's rookie tight end Harold Fan and fumbled the snap on fourth and one. Not to be outdone, the cult's rookie titan, Tyler Warren also fumble the snap on fourth and one. Try to do the tush push. Shockin, the tight ends can't do it. The Texans tight end, Cade Stover, was stuffed on the touch push for Houston. The Saints push on their final drive of the game, they didn't get it. And so they just lost the game. And then Jalen Hertz fumbled on the push on Black Friday.

He was stripped by... Yeah, the guy just ran up and took the ball out of his hands. We have been screaming to do this for six weeks. Just take the fucking ball. He's right there. And it's just such a huge dick when the tish push doesn't work. Yeah, I just... I don't love it.

Also, it's the only play where I do sympathize with the refs a little bit because it's impossible. Like, I can't see what's going on in there. I can see it. Mass of bodies. Until they ban... it, this will be a huge problem in the playoffs. The problem is the rest can't see anything, but the cameras can't either.

So there's going to be a play in the playoffs at some point with the Eagles, where the call on the field will just stand, and no one ever saw the answer. Yeah. The rest are going to just make a call, hope it goes to replay. The replay is going to be it, no one can see. Any other XVDK?

The Joanne Jennings thing, we got to just at least mention this. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. So basically last week, we were all talking about, or maybe it was two weeks ago, maybe we were talking, we were talking about Joanne Jennings because he got punched in the dick really hard and like they showed the video like the fucking uppercut right to the dick it was a good punch yeah

and then Jennings went and started shit with uh trevin merrick after the game and we're all sorry we're all like kind of on joan jennings side on this we're like yeah don't fucking punch a guy in the dick when no one's looking that's really shitty uh maybe jettings is actually the asshole is what we're learning after this week um Shelby harris for the uh for the Browns after the game. So apparently he said that Juan Jennings was talking shit to the Browns as Malik Collins was being

carted off the field with a major injury. And apparently some pretty nasty stuff. So I have I have asked Kai to clip the audio because I didn't think we could do justice. Kai, can you play with Shelby Harris said? It's pretty sick. He's the hole and I want that known. Like I see why he got punching the nuts

because he says some things that you should not say to another man ever. But like I don't respect it because say that, then run behind your O line. That's some real soft shit. And I want that known. I see exactly why they punch the nuts. I'm surprised nobody punched them in the jaw yet.

They see exactly why he punched him in the nut. He's a hoe. I want that known. I like, yeah, I saying I want that known is great. And I want that known. I just thought this was funny. It brought up the, uh, I love finding out when like somebody's, like, there's just like some interaction going on in the field that nobody really knows about until some player

finally says it. And you're like, oh, yeah, everybody knows. John Jennings asshole. They asked Miles Garrett his thoughts. Miles Garrett paused. It was like, I can't comment on how he was raised. Wow.

It brought to mind this quote that I remember. If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole. Apparently that's from Raylan Givens. Justified. That's not a real person.

It's from a television show. Might have been stealing. Raylan might have stolen that from someone else. kind of an asshole asshole move but anyway I'm no longer on Juan Jennings side for getting punched for the dick

play of the day I think it's between Puka Nakua's one-handed catch that was two-handed because he used the defender's hand as a hand and that was that was insane I'm between that or the Eagles fan whose son was giving the double birds to the birds as they went

Eagles went in half time with the double metal fingers and the kid was doing it and the father looked on like really proud. That was sick. And then the other guy who just like had the like the real like thumbs down was like like thumbs that middle. He was like boo! And like they kept cutting him. I don't know.

Dude, this was a week of one-handed catches. So I listed off of all the ones I could remember. Obviously the puka, I think one takes the cake. It was incredible. That's the best catch you seen a long time. He like backhanded it. It was weird. You don't see that type of catch that off.

he reached out and the guy, the defender sort of like, cup the ball together and like it allowed him to make the catch. But Brock Bowers had a one-headed touchdown catch. That was absolutely insane. Even the announcer at the time was like, oh, he threw the ball away. And then he was like,

oh my God, actually he caught it. Holy shit. Treyland Berks on Sunday night football had an incredible, like it looked just like the catch by O'Dell Beckham, except for he had a defender in his face. So that was very impressive. It was,

it was not. No, Adele Beckham. It was not that. It was good. Yeah, it was better. I just wanted to rankle high fits there. Tanner Hudson had a one-handed touchdown catch. And now I'm like blanking on what team he plays for.

Oh, yeah, he's on the Bengals. And then the George Pickens play where he had like, he caught the ball, reverse pivoted, ran past the defender, and then left over guy. He just, he would have been number one, I think, if he didn't trip at the very end there. But that was a great play. And then we got a shout out Tristan Worf's for catching a touchdown. Yeah.

So a lot of good plays this week. And we go to Tampa Bay where Tristan Worf's is doing his rumbling his way into the end zone. Worst play of the day was Max Brousmer. It was probably the worst play of the year. It's not worth talking. It's not worth even debating. I just feel bad. He went for Will Levis.

Bless his heart. Are they going to do an art but make it sports with that? I'm sure they already did. I watched that play like 50 times. I can't stop watching it. It's addictive, honestly. I love it. Stop watching it.

I have no idea what he was doing. He just underhanded it like 20 feet to three Seattle defenders. I just can't believe it. Just can't believe my eyes sometimes. Watching this beautiful game. The Arthur Smith's Sean Hockey Award for Coach of Ruff that pissed you off. I mean, there's the call,

I mean, the entire Sunday football game at the end, which we went over at the top of the show. show. The Texans kicker, Kami Fairburn, make an extra point that maybe he didn't make, that the rest were kind of like, yeah, it looks good to me. That was weird. Because the goalposts are not tall enough,

but they also can't be bothered to put cameras in line with the goalpost. So instead, they're the middle of the goalpost. So then we look at the angle and we're like, is that close? Don't know. And then we can't review it or check. Yeah, the announcer had to, one of the announcers was like, I don't think that went in. And the other one was like, it must be an optical illusion.

It must be. what else could be the exclamation $20 billion a year are they like one zoomed out angle from behind definitely looks like it didn't go in but can't we have like a wire or something going up to the to the roof

what if there's no roof going up to the heavens or something yeah how about a beam of light and if it how about a laser oh a laser I like where your heads at during this fucking like laser checking that they're

first of all we have not even got it We don't have to do this today, but the horse and pony show with the goddamn virtual measurement is like, how stupid do you think I am? It's like, I'm insulted by the fucking, we had a 67-year-old man spotted with his eyes from 30 yards away,

and now we're going to have a hawk-eye camera system tell you if that random spot has made it. I'm like, keep that to yourself. No one, no one thought that the measuring process was what was going wrong. It's, it's the spotting process.

They're sewing, They're turning the water up, frogs in a pot. They're turning the water up to get us used to it. But why don't you apply that to the goddamn field goals? That'd be cool. Anyway, I think the person who has to win this, though, coach, you pissed you off. I know we're not the biggest college football people in the world. But Lane Kiffin, leaving Ole Miss to go to LSU.

I'm not a college football expert, but everyone I know and everything I've seen is this is unprecedented. All this is ranked like seventh in the country going to have a home playoff game in the college football playoffs and if they win four games we'll just win the national championship and Lane Kiffin just left to go to LSU.

College football is wild. Football's crazy. And brought people with them. He brought a lot of the staff with them. That's because they wouldn't let him stay. College football is a fucking, it's like a reality show man. Lane Kiffin's statement

I was hoping to complete a historic six-season run with this year's team by leading Ole Miss. And then something out of my control happened. Just preyed on it, but I just by leading Ole Miss through the playoffs, capitalizing on the team's incredible success and their commitment

to finish strong and investing everything into a playoff run with guardbells in place to protect the program in my and any areas of concern. My request to do so was denied by Ole Miss Athletic Director Keith Carter despite the team. What he's

saying is, can I recruit for LSU but still work here and coach these teams so that you can try to win? And then I'll take all the good players and all the good coaches with me on the way. And they were like, no, we don't want you to sit here and poach all these people because you're leaving us in the middle of the fucking season. And he was like, can you believe this? I mean, it is remarkable that this team, I mean, they're probably not going to the national championship, let's be honest. But the fact that they're the number seven team in the country and they're making the coach play out and the coach is just fucking leaving

is insane. I actually think Rick Petino of all fucking people nailed it. He was like, the schedule's wrong. Like, no basketball coach, no matter how Craven would leave

when you're about to be a top of one or two seed in March Madness. He's right. The transfer port, everything with NIL, it's like, it is better that players are being paid. I remember when AJ Green was suspended for,

I mean, Torell prior of all people got the most fucked. He fucking traded tattoos. He got a $90. tattoo for free and then like couldn't fucking be drafted in the NFL. Like that, I'm glad that is over. This is, there's a line in the wire

where it's like the game hasn't changed. It just got more fierce. Like, I think that's what this is where it's the same underlying principles of it's a business, all this stuff. But there need to be more rules about like, transfer portal cannot open between now and the college football season where like, I remember last year, we were like, Penn State's backup quarterback just

had to go. And it's like, this is all insane. The timelines are fucking mess. Like none of this should be happening now. It's like, you can, I understand why Lane, like, I get it. Lane Kiffin going to get more money to go to LSU, like, I get that. The fact that that it's, you have to make that decision right now is bizarre and it's no sense. I, and I don't want to pretend to be an expert on college football and all this stuff because I barely understand all this.

The transfer portal and how all the NIL, like this is all unbelievable to me. However, big picture what's happening is college football is going to become like the fifth pro sport in a America and it's professionalizing. And at some point, the Big Ten, the SEC, they're going to break away from the NCAA, they're going to have their own Super League, and they're going to be like everything else, 30-ish teams in 30-ish cities across America. And they're going to be, the problem is there's no governing body. And so something like this happens.

This is not like professional. And I know it's business, but this is not professional and nothing about how college football is being run is organized. Or like, this is in. insane. And I don't know. It's like, look, I'll go to LSU, a year from now who'll have some cool players and we'll get over it. I appreciate a lot of parts about college football. Like some of the rivalries are incredible. Like the endgame experience is insane. Even that's changing. It's like Texas beats Texas A&N and they're like, well, A&M's like we're still making the playoffs. Does it? Ohio State, Michigan. It's like the game doesn't fucking matter anymore. It doesn't matter anymore. But here's what I was going to say. While appreciating some of the greatness of college football, it somehow feels like politics to be. Like I just. I don't want to think about it

I don't want to read about like all the bullshit behind the scene stuff I don't want to read about fucking boosters I don't want to read about all that stuff it feels like politics it's the same vein somehow where like I can't watch VEP because it's too realistic

like I don't know I there's something about college football where I was like I just I don't want to read about the corruption is like so out in the open you know confronting it every single week they just gave you a plane You just take that?

Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying the NFL is fucking perfect either, but obviously, but that is just, I always think about that. I'm like, this just like feels like politics. It's weird. I just want to remind you, Al Davis in his press conference where he fired Lane Kiffin, called him a professional liar. Imagine if like Ben Johnson right before the wild card around is like, oh, the Titans

actually want me. I'm going to go there. I'm blown away that the lions, they have to interview during that. stuff. But like, yeah, it really imagine if a coach went to a different team. Oh, it's like it's like if Ben Johnson before the wild card round decided to go to the fucking like Packers or something.

It's like with the Bears. What? The same division you're saying? Yeah. I'm saying like they're both like contenders for you know, whatever. Not that LSU is. But like in the big picture LSU is like a blue blood program or whatever. I don't know. It's weird.

It's a very weird situation. New game here. Two, Two receivers who outscored Justin Jefferson today in a lie. Xavier Restrepo. Oh, come on. Christ. Get out of here. James Proche.

Proche. Proche. Yeah, right. Right. Greg Laverdane. Oh, yeah. Who? The Browns guy. What's his fucking name? I don't know who that is. Is Xavier Restrepo on the Titans?

Titans, yeah, because he played with Camberwood in Miami. Right. I don't, who was that last guy? Gabe, what? Gage Leverdane. Don't know that is. He's on the Dekin-Nailed and he's on the Browns.

I'm going to say the Browns guy scored less. He did. He had one yard less. He had 1.3. Justin Jefferson at 1.4. But Justin Jefferson was the

85th highest scoring receiver day. He was behind Dante Thornton Jr. Behind James Proche, behind Brandon Cooks, who just got cut by the Saints and signed up the bills like a few days ago. And behind Cody White.

All right. Well, let's just get right to it. Are we burning Lamar Jackson or Justin Jefferson? I think Justin Jefferson, because Lamar ultimately, while he was hurt for a while, has had three bad games in a row. And there are three bad games. But Justin Jefferson, he's in an untenable situation. Lamar had a lot of things. He's at the mercy of the fucking quarterback.

Justin Jefferson might like. You're wrecking my laugh. I don't think there were many players you could have found on waivers that could have done worse. That's him talking to Cal Notton. You're wrecking my last. He's calling him to ask him about the remote controller or something. Sam Darnoldess.

You took my wife. You live in my house. Why are you calling me right now? Why am I talking to you? Max Brasmer. It's Jackson Smith and Jigwin, Jefferson. I think we burn Jefferson. because he can't control his situation.

Lamar is, he controls his own desk. I'm more mad at Lamar because Lamar, it feels like it's more Lamar's responsibility and blame can be placed directly on Lamar more so than Justin Jefferson, who's just getting screwed. I think you're just mad at Lamar Jackson because you have more Lamar Jackson than Justin Jefferson. Yeah, but I mean, you could say that for everybody who has Lamar Jackson

versus everybody who has Justin Jefferson. I know, but the last four weeks, you know what is my favorite person, Justin Jefferson ranks 61st the last four weeks, someone receivers. Do you know who's 60th? Jalen Naylor. Lamar has on the Vikings.

Lamar has scored less points than Shador Sanders over the last three weeks. He's basically the worst quarterback in fantasy. I don't know. I don't know. Well, I guess this is the answer. Who are you more likely to start next week? Who has scored more points in the last three weeks?

Maybe we'll just do it that way, Justin Jefferson or Lamar? Jefferson is averaging Lamar 5.6 Lamar is averaging 6.1

That's pretty bad Not like much No we got it Oh is it Lamar Is it Lamar? Dude I mean He's playing the Steelers next week Craig I know

I'm not starting against the Steelers I don't know what the fuck It's like two hobos fighting over He's a trash I have no idea What's going to happen that game DK you're the time

You're the time vote here Craig's going Lamar I'm going Jefferson I understand why Craig is upset But my understanding of the Burnbook is to save you from yourself, you can't start Justin Jefferson anymore, even though his name is Justin Jefferson. But isn't that almost worse? You have to start Lamar. I think it's the other way around. I think you can bench Lamar easier than you can bench Jefferson. No, you can't bench Lamar. You think you're benching Lamar.

You can play Lamar as what I was going to say. Yeah, but like, oh, man. Whether it's Brosner or Brosmer, what his name is. Brozmer or McCarthy? Yeah, I mean, they're both just absolute disasters. I mean, they can't run an offense. You want to go Jefferson? We'll go Jefferson.

And if Lamar shits the bad against the Steelers, we'll do Lamar. We could go, we could go Lamar. You sure? We just agreed. All right, fine, we'll go Jefferson. No, let's go, this is insane. We'll go Jefferson. Yeah.

The Jefferson thing is like a one-time Brosmer situation. I mean, even when, I mean, not that he's great with J.J. McCarthy, but, you know. Jefferson, yeah. He's still bad with J. He's had over. 11 points once since week five. No, I know. All right.

Okay. Justin Jefferson. We're doing, right. Justin. Lamar, fucking by the skin of his teeth. All right.

So the burn book now is Jalen Waddle. I can't believe we burned Justin Jefferson. Why? It's just weird. Oh, yeah, it is weird. Yeah, you're right. It's always a great way to look back on the season and look at the burn book.

Yeah. What happened? Whelielewis, week one, Mark Andrews, Isaiah Pacheco. We should bury these. We should,

we should like carve these into rocks and bury them so that 50 years from that, like the time capsule? Should we bury a time capsule? We should, I mean, we should actually bury maybe a literal book of the burn book and people can then be like,

wow, Justin Jefferson was on the burn book in 2025. That's a good. Yeah, it has to be something physical because if we try and do some digital burn book thing,

like fucking no one's going to be able to log in. The wires will be all different. You can't fucking charge it up. I know. It's going to be in the cloud. Come on. It's going to be in the cloud.

Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Emails at ring your fantasy football at Gmail.com.

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Craig is so upset. Bittersweet Symphony. Oh, great song. I don't know if they have any other songs, to be honest. I bet they do. I'm sure they have other songs. Like one or two. I'm sure they have other songs, but you know what I mean.

Yeah. I just think of dirt off your shoulders. No? Dirt off your shoulders? Yeah. The JZ song, the remix with the bittersweet symphony. You ever heard that? There's a mashup.

There's a mashup? Oh, one of the best. Send it to me, Craig. Come on. Jay Z has a remix with the Bittersweet Symphony. Is it just a mashup? You know what? I was actually just listening to the other day.

It was the JZ Lincoln Park collabs were awesome. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't love when they were like, I don't like when they like force rap into pop or other genre. Like when like, wasn't Kendrick Lamar on Bad Blood, the Taylor's song? I don't like that. That was less cool. I never like when it's like a pop song.

Yeah, the end game. That was a little forced, all that, all those little sojourns. Yeah. I will say, yeah. What was the song that Jay Z was on with Lincoln Park? Was it numb? No. They did a bunch.

They did numb and encore. Encore, right, yeah. I haven't thought about that in so long. Holy shit. Great. Yeah, yeah. No, D.K., by the way, it's not a Jay Z song. It's like some mashup, but it's great.

I highly recommend it. Send it over. The Seahawks used to play Bitter Sweet Symphony before every kickoff for some reason. I don't know why they chose that song. That's a weird choice. It is, but it like it actually works. It got people jacked up ready to rock. Interesting.

You know what song I've been listened to? It's like barely a song. But I actually have never, I didn't even see Deadpool and Wolverine, but there's a song in it that is like a prayer, but it's the choir version. And it's amazing. Sometimes I'm like NFL edits where it'll be like a quarterback thrown a beautiful throw. And it's like the, it's like the angels crying. I hear your voice. I hear your.

It's amazing. Yeah. So good. I love it. I'm going to check that out too. Big match. Play that over Max Brosmer, throwing the ball there in his choice.

We should do that. That's so much, we can get sued by the NFL and Madonna. Hell yeah. Yeah. I could buy everyone. Must be 21 plus in present in select states for Kansas in affiliation

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