The Ringer NFL Show - Week 13 Recap: Josh Allen Apex Mountain, Justin Pucker, Russ Keeps Cooking, and Gus Johnson THE HERO

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 13 action by going through categories such as “Who Won Week 13?,” “FEELING NICEY,” and “Fart or Shart” (1:17). Later, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn Book (01:37:13). Winners and Losers (14:30) The Oppenheimer Award (45:52) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (45:48) Fart or Shart? (01:00:59) FEELING NICEY (01:09:29) Intrusive Thoughts (01:16:13) Play of the Day (01:21:08) The Tyrique Stevenson Worst Play of the Day (01:23:40) The Arthur Smith Award (01:29:31) Worst Ref Moment (01:30:52) The Lucille Bluth Award (01:31:58) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And check out the full mismatch episodes with the two handsomest podcasters in the history of podcasting right on the Ringer NBA YouTube channel. Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitts. And I am joined by Danny Kelly, Greg Grech, and we're going to go over all the games from Sunday of Week 13. Follow us on Instagram or TikTok at Ringer Fantasy Football. Emails, fantasy court cases, and trivia questions at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. we're going to go through all the games on Sunday, but first we have to talk about the bills

disemboweled, atomized, destroyed, annihilated, the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday night. The final score, I mean, it was a lot to a little. It was 35 to 10. Could have been 45 to 10. It could have been 28 to 20, but it also could have been like 50 to 3. It was a crazy game.

I don't know where you guys want to start. I would like to just say for the record, D.K. I love Snowfield. football, DK, have you changed your mind on snow football? I felt like I came over to the snow football side in the last podcast. I went to go check the tape on this because I felt

like I was... You were easily convinced, I think. I was like it's fun, it's nostalgic. It makes me think it's like the holidays and there's something special about that. Obviously, I'd rather have like all the 49ers not completely suck ass in fantasy, but you know what? That's fine. I also think the bills are the best snow team

and the best snow fan base. A hundred percent. Totally. The people they were having an absolute blast. I, you know, I always forget that, you know, East Coast time, you know, Liz walked in, she was like, she had got dinner with her sister, came home, looked at the screen, and I was like, oh my God,

like the snow, it's unbelievable. And I was like, yeah. And we were joking about the fans there. And I was like, it's 10.45 for those people on a Sunday night. The team is up 35 to 10, and they're sitting on a foot of snow in their seat, cheering their fucking ass off. Those people are just built different. They deserve to win.

The bills deserve everything. Josh Allen deserves an MVP. I don't think there has been, a happier team the chasm between happiness and sadness between the two teams tonight I think was the largest I've ever seen it

the Niners game today I think was the saddest game I've seen all season by any team none of those guys wanted to be out there for the second half maybe even starting

in the second quarter it was brutal I mean after McCaffrey went down the snow started to fall really hard things were tough man Shanahan on the sideline you couldn't tell what was beard, what was snow.

The vibes for the poor Niners are just all-time bad, and I don't love it. I have a lot of friends who are Niners fans. I root for the Niners, like in some ways. Just terrible, terrible vibes in San Francisco. I have no comment as a Seahawks fan. I'm not trying to rile up 49ers fans right now, but yeah, tough times for the 49ers.

It was like the whole, this is total cliche, but it was like, oh, California team goes over to the East Coast and snowing, and Brock Purdy in his teeny tiny hands can't throw in the snow. The ball slips out. He like tried to throw a pass. It just like,

flip went out of his fingers. Yeah, so anyways, it was tough. Obviously, they're really super beat up and have been all season. Can I go? We always sit in like a team. Are they more injured physically or mentally? I don't know.

I mean, I think all the time about how George Kittle said, we have a thousand scars before they lost to Patrick Mahomes blowing a lead in the Super Bowl again. And so, but it is worth going over. all the injuries in this team again. Trent Williams, the best left tackle in the NFL

was out for this game. Aaron Brewer, another guard for this team is out. Brandon Ayuk is obviously out for the season. Then on defense, they have Nick Bosa, who's one of the three or four best edge rushers in the NFL. Javon Hargrave, who's a crucial defense to tackle. Drey Greenlaw, who tours Achilles, running under the goddamn field in the Super Bowl,

and that linebacker spot has been a weakness for them all season. And then they're also missing Lenois, I can never pronounce his name. Diomador Lenore, who I always could fuse him with Fleur de la Corpher from Harry Potter, but he's important in secondary, Ufonga, their awesome safety, they're all out. That does not even include Brock Purdy

having his sore shoulder, Christian McCaffrey with the double contagious Achilles tendonitis or the rot or grayscale or whatever combined with the PCL injury or whatever he had tonight. And that doesn't include Fred Warner, one of the three best defenders of the NFL and their inside linebacker, breaking his ankle a month ago he's been playing through it,

wasn't even on the injury report, by the way. Like, when they showed that stat... Shenanagan. Shenanigans. Again, I understand that Kyle Shannon's very sad like Kendall Roy. I've never seen an NFL team so blatantly disregard the injury report or the concept of it is this season. But I will say when they flash that stat on Sunday football,

the Niners have had 37 games missed this season by Pro Bowl players last year. Yeah. Did you even mention Brandon Ayuk tearing his ACL? I think you might have forgotten. He did mention Brandon. I was just sorry. I was reading it from a scroll. It was hard to keep track of it.

Debo is perpetually banged up. and then immediately in this game, I think it's like the second snap. Devo stepped on Joanne Jennings's foot. He's like limping. And then Juan Jennings later in the game got like rolled up on when he was blocking downfield.

These poor Niners are so beat up. It's insane. Listening to Collinsworth was funny tonight because he was like, it felt like he was trying to remind people who were maybe watching football for the first time tonight that the Niners used to be good.

It was like talking about his old buddy from college and how he was like a legend back in 78. And he was just like, look, I know it doesn't seem like it, but the Niners used to dominate in these types of situations. Trust me, George Kittle could chug a beer before the other team could get a snap off. These guys used to be legends.

That was just like the theme of the whole day. It was like, man, this looks bad. Now, these guys used to be pretty awesome, though. Yeah, this Niners, this felt like the end of the Niners season. And if it was absolutely. It felt like something bigger. Maybe I'm a little bit too inside the bottle that I can't read the label, but I spent the week with a lot of Niners fans, my family,

and all of them want Shanahan gone. What? What? They all want them gone. They want Shanahan gone? Yeah, they're like the end-of-game coaching stuff. It's not there. They want the defensive coordinator gone as well.

But they're just like the vibes, they can't be recovered. Even if Shanahan will go somewhere else and be successful, it's unsalvageable right now the way this team is built. and what they've been through since 2018, 2019, when they lost that first Super Bowl. They're like, we're done. We can't move on. We're not going to be able to go back to what it was.

Dude, I've been saying since they lost the Super Bowl that Shanahan would inherit the Andy Reid Eagles tenure of like, it will just peter out. But I did not think that any Niners fans had gotten to the point where they want Kyle Shanahan gone at this point. They're sick of the late game stuff. That was like the real theme of the week. And now McCaffrey, probably going to be out,

extended amount of time again. He has a PCL injury, it looks like, according to Kyle Shanahan. I'm not a doctor, but I think he tore his Achilles. He walked off, though, like, really casually. And, like, they called it a knee. I guess I don't, I guess, they called it a knee injury, but. There's a, uh, there was a clip.

There's a clip. If you watch the slow-mo of that play, it was honestly like Greenlaw, who, like, didn't do anything in Taurus Achilles. It looked like the same thing. Just took a step. He took one step, and his whole left leg pops. Like, it's, the camera's looking at the back of his calf,

and you see the whole thing ripple. And obviously, the guy has done. double Achilles tendonitis. It's not a leap, is it? It's certainly not. I think the guy with the double Achilles tendonitis that an Achilles injury. I don't know.

It looked like a lot of the other ones that we've seen because they're so common now. And it made me think I was like, again, this is super dark and I feel really bad for Niners fans. I'm sorry. But I'm like, part of me is like, I wonder if McAvary's ever going to play football again. Like this guy's getting really beat up.

Yeah, he's going to be 29 before this. If he tore his Achilles, whatever, his PCL, I don't know. man, things are really bad on him physically, and he's the best. I love him. I wanted to play forever. He's a Hall of Fame and one of the best to ever do it. If Nick Chubb came back within a year, I think Christian McAfee will play football again. I just worry that he's going the way of Todd Gurley, because it was tendonitis. And that stuff does not go away. So that, that I fear for him in that way. Todd Gurley's knee was arthritic even in like college. So I think that they knew Tom Gurley had like a

timeline on him from the jump. But yeah, no, I mean, the whole, I mean, frankly, it's like if McAfrey's out for the season, you should be. The Niners season is out for the season. So I mean, I mean, if he did tears Achilles tonight, is he going to be back week one? No, he's probably not going to be back until the end of next year. Yeah, I don't know. And then the flip side, though. Yeah, geez, God.

Happy place. Go to a happy place. It's just some second as Jennings. It's like the two beer. Jennings did lose me my fantasy matchup. I was really mad about that. Actually, he didn't. He didn't do anything wrong.

I loved you on Jennings. Brock Pretty had a 94 yards passing. He can't throw in the snow. His forearm wasn't working. Happy stuff. Buffalo Bills. Good team. What a team. What a team. What a quarterback.

Josh Allen passed two passing touchdowns, one to himself, a rushing touchdown and a receiving touchdown, which I believe the last players to do that were ironically, Christian McCaffrey with the Niners a couple years ago. And LaDadian Thalmond said, I think Josh Allen, he has. He's pretty good. He's the most fun player to make for, right? Yeah. I think today was Josh Allen's Apex Mountain, right? he just got engaged to Haley Steinfeld. Shouts out him.

Kind of an iconic Monday Night's No game in Buffalo, beat the Niners, the team he grew up loving, probably cemented his MVP win for the first time in his career. They clinched the spot. They won the AFC East tonight. It's week 13. They clinched the AFC East. He threw a fucking touchdown pass to himself. He caught his own touchdown pass.

15 years. Yeah, I really, this has to be Apex Mountain for Josh Allen. Even being in an AFC championship game, no, because he lost all of those. It has to be right now. This is the peak. He might keep peaking, but right now this is his peak. Yeah, Eddie got engaged this week. I think you're right.

Craig, you might be right. That was an iconic game also because this game is the Battle of the Bridesmaids, right? Like, these are the two teams, frankly defined by losing to Patrick Mahomes. And the bills kicked the shit out of the Niners when the bills were the ones who were kind of like, oh, they're the ones taking a step back. But, like, no, like, the bills look ready to go for the next few years. And I, God, I'm like, I'm looking at the home page of ESPN right now. And it is just Josh Allen diving through the snow on that play where I'm like Cooper.

I'm iconic. That was an iconic play. That was, and also that play broke the record for the fastest the play went from looking like kind of jumbled, nondescript, like a little wonky to the most, the coolest play I've ever seen of like Amar Cooper just like reeling in an off target pass getting slowly, slowly dragged down. to the ground by three guys, none of which wanted to really make the tackle. And then Josh Allen just comes into the screen and Mori Cooper just tosses him to ball, which is probably a dumb idea because it's snowing. And then Josh Allen just like jumps him. He's holding the ball in his right hand, which is the one that got banged up earlier in the game.

And it's been bothering him. I thought it was the left hand, actually. No, it's his right hand. He's with his non-thering hand, which is the one that's hurt. And he's like smashing the byline with the ball. Honestly, he is a superhero. And I guess the way I would think of Josh Allen, I thought, that like football,

like the players that made me feel like a kid again were guys that I watched when I was young. And honestly, the only player that started playing football when I was an adult that still makes me feel like a kid again sometimes is Josh Allen. Yeah.

He's the golden retriever quarterback. Just happy. Do you think I would love it if the chiefs and the bills meet in the, in the AFC championship, because then now we could have like a, like a Taylor Swift and her crew in one box. And Haley Steinfeld and her crew in the other box.

Was Haley Seinfeld in one of Taylor Swiss videos? I don't know. Bad blood. Everybody's in bad blood. Can you explain who Haley Steinfeld is for the people who don't know? She's an actress in her late 20s. She was in true grit. I think that was kind of her big breakout performance.

And honestly, she does a ton of voice acting. She's in like, she's in across the Spider-Verse movies. She's in like a bunch of movies, honestly, a lot of animated roles. I'm trying to think of the last thing she's acted in. That was big. But yeah, it's looking like she was in bad blood,

the video. Oh, interesting. That's a wrinkle. Prominently in bad blood. Oh, so they'll play bad blood if the Chiefs and Bill's meat again. D.K., honestly, everyone's like, oh, God.

Shouts out you to be the one to know that fact. Yeah, how did I know that? That's shocking. How often do you watch bad blood? Is that a rewatchable music video for you? That is amazing that I've ever seen it, in fact. Every night before he goes to bed. Yeah.

Fire that up. Oh, my God. Also, before we move on, I have to shout out that I didn't think I could love that play anymore where Josh Allen ended up getting. So he didn't get a catch, but he got the passing touchdown and the receiving touchdown. So that was like a 10 or 12 point fantasy football play, basically. And I didn't think it could love it more. And then Chris Collinsworth is like, nice.

Now I'm beating my son Jack in fantasy. And I'm like, and it beat Jack Collinsworth. I didn't think I could love to play more. And then I'm like, and it took down Jack Collinsworth. So that's a great point. I feel like betting has become more acceptable to talk about on air than fantasy, which is dumb to me. Like, let's talk fantasy on air.

Yeah, it's so true. Like, they'll have like Jason Garrett on NBC or someone talking about like, I got the Cowboys given four and a half points, Mike. And it's like, yeah, I'd rather just hear Chris Collins with who did he draft. Like that's one of the world. I want to hear Romo like talk about which players he started at wide receiver and why. I would love that. Yeah, that's true.

Teddy Robo, come with a show. All right. Let's get to winners and losers in the day. Craig, who is your winner Sunday week 13, other than Josh Allen, who I think is probably the big boy winner. My boy, Russ. Russ is cooking. Steelers beat the Bengals today, baby.

44, 38, highest game total of the year. A lot of crazy Russ stats today. Russ really cooked. Feels like him and Arthur Smith are really molding together and really kind of understanding one another, doing everything that Russ likes and nothing that Russ hates at the office. If this was the most aesthetically pleasing Steelers game in, dude, I don't know how long since like Prime Ben. Everything was working today.

Russ threw for 414 yards. DK, that's the second most of his career. I know. I was actually going to ask you, has he ever sold for more than that? I can't remember. Only once. 50 ones. Yeah, like 2017, 2018 in Seattle, he did that.

That's it, though. It was the most in the first half of his career, 259 in the first half. So I was looking up a couple of stats career over his career. He's only started six games for the Steelers, but if you look at these six games from this season and then all his other seasons, Russ is throwing for more yards per game than any other season of his career.

Yeah, 271 yards a game, I think. Yeah, distributing the ball. Nine different guys today had more than 20 yards. Defense making big plays. They scored their first defensive touchdown of the year, which is kind of surprising. Yeah. I now believe, I think I've been very skeptical this entire time.

Look, the Bengals defense also might be really bad. Well, yeah, that's, that's, the Bengals are like, the get right team for everyone. So like, great a self. We put up 44 points with Russell Wilson, Van Jefferson, Calvin Austin, and George Pickens. Like, this is impressive. We can get to the Bengals D in a second,

but again, it is a bad D. But again, when you play a bad D, you know what you want. So this from Ben Baby, who covers the Bengals. The 48 combined points in the first half of the Bengals Steelers game today was the most in any half of any

AFC North game since the division was created. in 2002. Really? Which is like, what the fuck? It was the most points at a half time at half time in the history of Steelers, Bengals. There have been 110 games

in the history of Steelers Bengals. This was the most points at half. So, yeah, it was kind of jarring to see Pittsburgh putting a, like a shoot, a genuine shootout between Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. And this game started with a pick six. Russ threw a pick six to begin the game. Oh, yeah, that was crazy.

Kim, Diller, I couldn't tell what happened. George Fick is like dripped. It was kind of like Kim Dillard Britt. was like hitting Pickens to the chest and then Pickens tripped. And so Cam Taylor Britt was delighted to shove his face to the ground to just catch the ball on a hook for him. It's always Pickens too. It's always Pickens is always involved in everything.

But he got the revenge touchdown on the next drive. It was crazy. And then Pickens took it upon himself to just play his own game. And the rest of the game, his only goal was just to taunt Cam Taylor Britt as much as he possibly could, regardless of how it affected his team. Also, the Bengals were wild. I think Mike Hilton, someone just said out loud like before the game. And they were just like, yeah, the key to beating the Steelers is like,

you got to get George Pickens' head early in the game. I didn't expect them to be like, they're literally going to shove him in the head, like immediately to start the game. But it worked. Tomlin called him out. Tomlin was basically, in the post game, he was like, straight up, George needs to be more mature. He needs to grow up fast.

Yeah, fast. Yeah, he said he needs to grow up quick. Yeah, Tomlin kind of came for him publicly to way of it usually seen. But I do want to just want to save the Bengals for a moment. Speaking of bad vibes, I think this was sneaky, bad vibes to the Bengals, because the Bengals have been like just slightly more depressed every single week like Joe Burrow. Ironically probably having the best season of his entire career. I know he's playing so well.

Dude, the Bengals defense is so bad. Like the Bengals, I saw this from Christopher Carter. The last three Bengals games versus Steelers. Kenny Pickett had the most yards of his career versus the Bengals. And then Nathan Rudolph had the most yards of his career versus the Bengals. Dang, Kenny Pickett's stat of the day is back. Yeah. And then Russell Wilson just had the second most yards of his career.

against the Bengals. That's the last three games. The Steelers have played. So that's not good. But I couldn't believe this. I'm just going to list a bunch of stuff I saw. First of all, I mean, this is just off the don't, but the Bengals are going to have the leader in passing yards at Joe Burrow. Jamar Chase, who's probably going to lead the league in receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. And Trey Hendrickson, who's going to lead the league in sacks. And they're not going to make the playoffs, which is like crazy. They're not even going to get close. Not going to get close. And then Paul Denner Jr. at the athletic, I'm just going to quote him because he wrote a great story today.

The Bengals now hold the record for most losses in a single season when scoring at least 33 points. I was going to ask about that. Every game, they lose like 35, 38. It's week 13. They have the record. They're two and four when they score 33 points. The rest of the NFL this year is 51 and one.

That is, that sucks. And I think the worst moment for the defense. And again, the defense is just an abomination. Like, you know, we could go into that, you know, more in the off season or whatever. but like I feel like basically they were content to not sign anyone to defense to tackle and just hope Byron Murphy would fall to them in the first round. He didn't. They're screwed.

All their secondary. They let Jesse Bates go at safety. There's disaster. They haven't hit a defender in the draft. And like, you know, 10 or nine of their last 10 picks in the top 100 in the draft for defenders. Eight of them aren't very good. But then the one that my favorite one. And this one also kind of just hit me.

The last play I thought was the most pathetic when they bring Justin Fields in to ICE. the game, which I don't really know why they do that. I like it. They only bring fields on to the fields. Why do they do it? Because it works. I know, but they bring fields onto the field to like, you know, when they need a first down to ice the game, they bring fields on to run a read option. So all he does is just run a read option. The Bengals didn't contain fields on the read option. It's the only play they run in that situation. And he just, they didn't do it at all. He just ran for the first and slid. I was like, it was so humiliating.

Unstoppable. Can't run that with Russ. Yeah. Anyway, D. D.K., who's your loser of the day? The Jets and the Seahawks, even though they won and me and the Seahawks. And me for having to watch that freaking abomination of a game. That was like the worst game I've ever seen my life. Do you guys watch this game? The Seahawks wins take so much

time off your life. Just pure misery. Pure misery. Pure misery until like the final freaking five minutes of this game or whatever. It's like when you drop your phone and you're afraid that the screen cracked and you're like, I don't even want to look. And you look it up. You're like, oh, it's fine. Dude, there was another.

situation where this happens every week. I swear I say this every week. I'm getting like texts and texts and texts about how like how much people hate the Seahawks. I can't watch this fucking team. I hate the Seahawks. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And then and then like 15 minutes there's like anyway, good win. We'll watch next week. The Seahawks. Okay. First of all, obviously the Jets, the Jets are the Jets. The Jets suck. This is like one of the worst years in Jets history, which is saying like a lot. But I can't overstate how terrible the Seahawks more in this game. On special teams

of the first half alone, they fumbled three returns. They lost two to the other team. And they gave up a kick return touchdown. So they lost two fumbles on returns and gave up a kick return touchdown. And they had an extra point blocked. They had an extra point blocked.

They later lost their punter to an injury, which actually helped them because they had to go for it on fourth down, even though they were in their own end. And they got the fourth down conversion. This is one of the weirdest special teams, games ever that team won. Maybe the worst. Anyways, the Seahawks, yeah, the spot of the Jets 21 points.

They still managed to come back, which is a great credit to them. Obviously, I'm joking around about how much I hate the Seahawks, but they did show, I think, a lot of fight in coming back in this game, and that was really encouraging. But a couple of things really had to go their way. Like Aaron Rogers, he had Garrett Wilson wide open for a touchdown on one play, and he missed him, he threw it over his head. And on the next play, it was a 92-yard pick six by Leonard Williams. Like that play completely swung me too.

Dude, that was the thickest of thick sixes. It was the thickest six of all time. Dude, Bill Barnwell tweeted this out. ESPN has data for return touchdowns and player weights for the since 2000. And that was the first 300 like that was the heaviest anybody's ever returned a 91, 91 yard. He was really? He was running like 18. I think I saw 18 miles an hour or something like that.

It got to 18 miles an hour. And yeah, Leonard Williams, like nobody over 260 has ever had like a 90 plus yard interception return. 18 miles an hour. How fast can, like, a normal person run? Can I get to 15? How fast can I get to? Yeah, you can get to 15. Can I get to 18?

Yeah, it's like the 40-yard dash where you're like, wait. Like, am I faster than Leonard Williams? No. No. I'd be shocked. No, that definitely not. That guy is like, he's not young either. He's like, he's 30.

Craig, what? Dude, he's our age. He's our age. No, Leonard Williams, no, but it's kind of like the 40-yard dash messes with you because you're like, oh, so 4-2 is like the record and 4-5 is like an NFL wide receiver in the first round. And then, like, 5-2 is like someone you know. Right.

And it's like, I think, I think that mile, it's like 23 is like Hussein Bolt, but like you probably know people who get at 19. Well, Leonard, if you're at Media Week during the Super Bowl in New Orleans, and you want to race, if you want to race me, let me know. Dude, if anyone knows an NFL player that would race Craig at the Super Bowl. Well, I need to be somebody very slow. It needs to be 30 years old. Maybe.

No, we'll take anyone. Beggers can't be choosers. Email us at ringer fantasy football atemal.com. Yeah, I guess if like, if Jamar Chase wants to race me, me that that'd be funny too. But I would love to race like Jared Gough. I've seen Jared Gough run in person and on television. He runs like a,

he runs like a baby giraffe. Could you outrun Matt Stafford? You backed him up for a couple of years. Dude, yeah. I probably could, right? Stafford's also so beat up. I don't think Stafford would run on principle. No.

He needs to conserve his body in any way he can. He just goes into a hyperbaric chamber for six months in the off season. Dude, he didn't have any scrambles until like the last, last week was the first time he scrambled all year. It's the last week. After this game, I keep going back to Sean Fennessee, who works here at the ringer, our head of content. He always retweets his own tweet every time the jet list. The beginning of the season, before the season began, Sean tweeted, so I have this on the record. I think this jet season will be an epic disappointment.

Everyone will be fired at its conclusion and Aaron Rogers were retired. Why Sean's in charge. It is. He retweets it every single week and I think it's the funny thing of the world. That's why Sean's in charge. Yeah, no, he's 100% right. I have to say to Masterclass in Aaron Rogers, honestly, Rogers blew the game. A lot of people blew the game.

They had 10 penalties in the second half, which is crazy. Rees Hall fumbled, but Breece Hall feels bad about it. When Breeze Hall fumbles at the end, Breeze Hall's like, you know what? If I can't hold onto the ball, I shouldn't be on the field. And he's like, this is the most trying year of my entire life. And when Aaron Rogers screws up, he was like, yeah, if I had not done that pick six in the end zone,

like, that would have been a different game. he also was like, well, there's 11 guys on the field and sometimes it's my fault, definitely multiple times today. And then, you know, details aren't there in some other spots too. But you're the quarterback. You threw a pick six to a fucking defensive lineman. And if you hadn't done that, they would have won the game. After missing a wide open guy at the end of the end.

He missed a wide open Garrett Wilson. He threw the pick six. He also missed Garrett Wilson down the side of that. This was honestly a terrible Rogers game. And I actually didn't think he would find a way to deflect blame in this one. And he did. I don't know. I didn't think I could be more disgusted with this.

team. But again, what's the rule of thumb? It could always get worse. I saw a stat from ESPN, the Jets. They're the first team in the Super Bowl era to be favored in nine of their first 12 games and be three or nine or worse. Oh my God. In fact, no other three and nine team had even been favored in eight of their first 12 games. So this is an extremely disappointing team, to put it mildly. He doesn't look good. He's just like an old man throwing darts off his back foot and yelling at people and they don't catch it. It really is the Peyton Manning Est and L. The whole thing is... The disdain on his face after every pass.

Everybody must be miserable in that huddle because he's just yelling at you every single play. At the end of the game, the head coach, who, by the way, I guess Aaron Rogers calls him Brick, which I love. His name's like Old Brick or whatever. I mean, same as Woody Johnson's son, Brick. A lot of Brick Johnson. Another Brick.

He was not fully committal, committed to Aaron. Non-committal, which... He was non-committer. Committal about Aaron Rogers being the started. It's like disingenuous, but genuine. Yeah, committal is a funny word. Committal.

He was not fully committal. Anyway, they don't know if they're going to start Rogers is what you're saying. It'd be interesting if they bench him. I don't think they will. They would probably win. It's Tyrod Taylor's the backup, right? Yeah. I really do think there's a serious chance, like maybe even 50% chance that Rogers

doesn't play again because he doesn't have the ego to be a backup. And I don't know if anyone will sign up for this because like the amount of he was given all the control you could possibly have. Yeah, I really think, but I think he's done. Like I don't think he does not, he will retire because he cannot, his ego could not handle. Like he will have to dump the NFL. He wouldn't let the NFL dump him. 100%. Where's he going to go?

The Titans? He's not, that's not going to happen. I don't, I don't think an NFL team would take him even if he won't, even if he would play for anyone. I don't think anyone would take him after this. He just gets everybody fired. Dude, he got everyone fired. He got everything. I cannot trust enough if he got everything he wanted.

And they are just as bad as Zach Wilson. He gave the same excuse, Zach Wilson did last year. He was going to be an epic disappointment. Everyone will be fired. It's so funny to me. Everyone will be fired and he will retire. Oh, my God. D.K., who's another winner for him Sunday?

A tornado through the franchise. Anyways, I want to give credit to Sam Darnold. I've been kind of a darnal hater coming into the season. I'd given up on it. I was like, he's not going to work. He's just going to flame out like he always does. He's going to have a couple turnovers and then he's just going to like turn into a pumpkin. Well, he's playing pretty well right now.

He isn't perfect, but I don't think we can expect him to be perfect of all people. We can't expect any quarterback to be perfect. But he has 23 touchdowns this year to 10 interceptions. He's fourth in the NFL in touchdowns, 8.2 yards per attempt. That's fifth. 102 pass rating. That's eighth. He led a game winning drive for the second straight week.

Last week it was in overtime versus Bears. This week against a tough colonel's defense included a fourth down conversion, hit Aaron Jones for the decisive game winning, or not game winning, but go ahead touchdown. He helped engineer a 13-point comeback for the Vikings. And I don't know, he's just like making big plays. He's hitting big throws. I just wanted to give him some credit because I came into the season kind of as a Darnold hater. I was really big on Darnold being somewhat resurrected with the Vikings. And now that it was somewhat happened, I was.

will admit to you guys, I was really worried he would make me look incredibly stupid. And part of me was terrified that perhaps I was totally out over my skis and kind of a moron. He's going to end up getting, he's going to end up getting like a Baker Mayfield type of contract next year, I think, with somebody, which honestly, like that's risky because I feel like a lot of it has to do with the fact he's playing for KOC and has Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Hawkinson now. and obviously this is like a really, really good situation for him. But I don't know.

Like if he goes to a team with some good receivers, I think he could continue to resurrect his career. Dude, McShay's friend, Mensh asked me last week if I would rather have Sam Darnold or Cam Ward next off season. And I was like, oh, man. I actually thought about that. It came to my head. Like, ooh, Sam Darnold on the Giants.

Get out of here. Sam Darnold on the Giants. I know. That's the big possibility. They have neighbors. They have Malik neighbors. That is why Gino Smith, the Giants couldn't keep Gino Smith. They can't have the jet sloppy seconds.

Like that's just, you can't do it. There are. Donald needs to be in, he needs to be on like a nice Midwest fan-based team. Yes. Where politeness is important. Not in New York. I totally agree.

I don't send them back to New York. Yeah. Vikings, 23, 22 of Arizona. The Vikings, they have, they have some. They're like the Nick Westbrook Aquinae of football teams. They are. Every week they win by two. And we all just kind of assume that they're not that good.

And I don't think anyone's going to be excited to bet on them in the playoffs. And yet they're 10 and 2. They win every close game. They have a great defense. A lot of playmakers. But I probably put myself in that camp where I'm like, Sam Donald playoffs. I don't care. Well, I agree.

They're 10 and 2. I know. They're 10 and 2. The Vikings are a better version of that Cardinals team that started 10 and O that we all ignored. And do you remember them? They were a fever dream. And I just refused to acknowledge that the airs at a car. Cardinals are like 9 or 10 and no or whatever.

And the Vikings are a little bit of that, but like with a little more fanfare. But I do look at the NFC right now as like who are like the teams that like you think you wouldn't bat an eyelash if they made the Super Bowl. The Lions, obviously. The Eagles who beat the Ravens today very convincingly. And I would say the Packers. I don't think I'd be shocked if the Packers made it. And I don't, I don't think the Vikings are in that tier, to be honestly.

I think the Vikings are the team that are good and I don't want to play, quote, unquote, don't want to play in the playoffs. But like, I don't think the Vikings are. is going to make the Super Bowl. Now, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know. Is that because of Darnold mainly? Yeah. They've also been fumbling for three years.

Like, I don't know why, but three seasons in a row, the Vikings have just like, even Aaron Jones is not a fumbler. It's just like gone and just gotten the fumbleitis in Minnesota. There's something contagious for three seasons to row about this Vikings team turning the ball over. I don't know. They're also just cursed in the playoffs,

which I'm sure is. Yeah, and the Vikings, all the Vikings fans right on them are screaming about how they're actually one of the most snake bit franchises. But I mean, they're not in the territory at the Eagles. The Eagles beat the Ravens today 2419. I mean, I think the Eagles might be a winner today. I mean, Sequin ran for 107 yards in a touchdown. Eagles are undefeated with A.J. Brown. And I don't know, man. I mean, Sequin is Mariana Rivera. D.K., you said that a few weeks ago, I can't get it out of my head.

Is her closer? She'll, our guy, Shil Capote here at the ringer tweeted this out. Sequan is averaging seven and a half yards of carry in the fourth quarter, which is crazy. Every cliche about the run game is coming true with Saquan where it's like body blows, body blows, first time. You know, and then all of a sudden you're hitting the home runs or you're hitting the knockout punch, I should say, in this metaphor. But yeah, I mean, he is so explosive and he did again in the second or in the fourth quarter, 25-yard touchdown run to essentially put the game away. And, you know, this was like a really fun game to watch. It was like each team was throwing haymakers back and forth. like the Ravens had a couple times where

it looked like they were going to take back control of the game. Justin Tucker just kept missing fucking kicks again. But, you know, remember what I said that Nick Seriani doesn't matter? I'm starting to actually believe this again. In the off season,

I was like, I don't really know if the Nixiriani matters. Basically, they've taken away all his power. He just hangs around in the facility and like goes into meetings and says hi to everybody. Like, he doesn't really do anything.

Yeah, every week he's wearing a bigger beanie on the sideline. It's so, it's so true. He wears his beanie so low on his forehead. It's incredible. He just points. And I will say also, I saw an amazing meme of just like, it was the HR meme of like, oh, like, you know, the ugly person hits on a woman versus like a hot guy. It was like the Eagles in 2023 being 10 and two.

And it was like, ugh. And it was like the Eagles of 2024 being 10 and two. And it's like, hey. It's true though. It's just like you slap Sankan on it. It's like, man, the vibes. But. Well, they're doing all the things that they, they.

have done in the past, but now they have Seekwon. So it's like the Tush Push back to working really well again. Yes. Like A.J. Brown is just like he can get you a bucket on third down when you really need it. They basically buy an extra down because they can convert these short yardage plays like every fucking time. And now they have this home run hitter guy in Barclay. And I would say the biggest thing other than Sequin is the defense. The defense was bad last year.

Their secondary was terrible. And now DeGine and Mitchell are awesome. And they're shutting everybody down. I mean, the Ravens basically scored 12 points in this game. They had like a touchdown late with like 10 seconds left that I don't really count. They basically held the Ravens to scoreless in the second half, which had not been done in Baltimore in 68 games. Like the Ravens are the most balanced team in the league right now. And the Ravens again.

I mean, the Eagles, sorry, Eagles. The Ravens entering this game, their offenses on pace for the most yards per play in NFL history, which is insane, like almost eight yards per play. Which, I mean, think about eight yards per play on average. That's insane. That's almost the first down. And, yeah, the Eagles totally shut him down. And to your point, Craig, Jalen Carter, who, dude, I'm a little afraid Jalen Carter's like a monster. Like the fact that they were able to get Jailie Carter.

I'm afraid of him. I'm a little afraid. He's a monster for the Eagles defense. And again, I'm so pissed at Washington. Not only did Washington take Jaden Daniels and the Giants because we beat them twice, but the Washington made the trade with the Eagles to give the Eagles Cooper to Gene. and they paired Cooper to Jean and Quinean Mitchell and I'm like, I'm going to have to deal with this

fucking defense for like six years. The Eagles are like the perfect team because I feel like I get pushed back. Every time I give the Eagles like a good grade on all their draft grades, right? Like every year and all these people are like, oh, the media just glazes the Eagles for every fucking thing they do. And I'm like, okay, I'm looking at their PFF grades right now

for their defense. Everyone's fucking green or really green. Like everyone on this defense is fucking good. Their offensive line is fucking good. Their quarterback, really good. The receivers, really good. Like, what do you want me to do? They keep taking good players and they keep playing well.

You know? They're going to continue to get good grades because of that. I think all the time, had Devantes Smith's like the second or third best college receiver I've ever seen and he's just like this guy who kind of flushes. I don't know. He's like their number two. Solid number two, yeah.

I'm like, oh, yeah, that guy was fucking unstoppable. Anyway, whatever, fuck the evening. Even the Eagles are also just the team, by the way, like the international pathway program or whatever where they got Jordan Maelada. And it's like he turned into the best left tackle in the NFL. It's like, God damn it. So let's gone.

Like we can't, we don't have to do this anymore. Yeah. Okay. Loser of week 13 without any question to me though, is Matt Eberfluse for the Bears, the head coach. He got fired as the Bears coach on Black Friday.

It's too bad because I just learned how to pronounce his name. I've been saying Matt Everflus for like years. And now it's Matt Eberflus. But he's gone. I know. It's gone. It doesn't matter. now. Yeah, now it's not anything. And if case you were in a food coma or forgot about it,

one of the worst clock managed at end-of-game sequences ever. If you don't remember exactly what happened, bears somehow clawed their way back into this Lions Thanksgiving game. They were getting crushed. They somehow, with a minute left, they're down three. They have the ball on the 25-yard line. Caleb Williams takes a horrendous, horrendous sack to push them back 10 yards. But they're still in the 35, so like a 52-yard field goal with 36 seconds left. and instead of taking a timeout, which they had, Caleb Williams gets up, goes no huddle, audibles, takes 30 seconds to get to the line of scrimmage,

snaps the ball with six seconds left, tosses a go route, incomplete, uses up all the time, game is over, didn't even kick the 52-yard field goal to tie the game. They leave with the timeout in their pocket, Dike, was that, we've seen some bad coaches. Was that the worst clock management you've ever seen an in, I don't think I've ever seen anything like that.

I mean, I'm sure it's happened before in the NFL. There's been a lot of games. But, like, I can't remember anything quite so egregious where they literally, they had a chance to, it reminds me of the DAC Prescott thing. Yes. You know, that was like horrific clock management. Obviously, that was in a bigger situation than this. But like, this was like on that. But you know what I think?

But to give context to the DAC thing. While the DAC thing was in the playoffs, this was almost twice as much time. I know. And they had a time out. And they were like lolly gagging the whole time. It was just like so weird. I obviously like look,

this was really bad by Caleb Williams. He should have called time out. But the coach ultimately needs to fucking step in right when he gets sacked and call time out because you just got sacked

you'd like everyone's scrambling around like it's total chaos and this is exactly what happened. I don't know if it was a week before a couple weeks before where Craig and we were talking about this on the show like they wanted their kicker liked it from the right hash.

Yeah. Everyone was a little. They just kind of went up there and then waited for three till there was three seconds left and called time out. They had a timeout and they could have just gone to the right with the hash where the kicker wanted it and they didn't do it. And they ended up getting the kick blocked. But it was again, and I said this last week. I was like, I don't know. It felt like everyone was really confused and it was really rushed and chaotic.

No one was like no one knew what was supposed to be happening. Obviously, again, that's on Caleb Williams a little bit. You know, obviously he's a quarterback. But look, he's a rookie. The freaking coach needs to step in here and like run the clock. Like he has to be the guy that's in charge of this shit. He was sacked. Like that's the thing about it is like he got he took a horrible sack and he's getting up.

It's like you take the time out. You have 36 seconds. And you know what? You throw a scene. You throw a slant. You throw it out whatever. It's third in 26 so you can't spike the ball. You're going to have 30 seconds to run the kicking unit on to kick a field goal.

And it's like, oh, it's a little rush. Well, the play clock's only 40 seconds. You know what I mean? It's not that rush. So I don't know. It's an insane thing. just the most horrific thing of theirs. Like, I get why they...

It was. I get why they... Apparently in the locker room after the game, like, Iber Fluse had to, like, leave because the team was, like, going to mutiny and throw him off the... Like, the... Good.

...walk the plate or whatever. You know how they give the winning team, like a turkey leg? They should give the losing team, like green bean casserole. They should have given Matt Iberfluse a green bean cassero on his way out of the building. I do think Caleb deserves, like, 3% of the blame. Oh, 100%.

100%. It was weird that he was just like hanging out audibling. Even in the post game interview, he was like, oh, yeah. You know, I audible and I saw the clock was ticking down. So I thought, well, I guess we got to try to score. And it was like, dude, call the time out. What the fuck are you doing? But that's, I think all the time of like.

It's both. It's both the quarterback and the coach. But it's like 99%. The coach, look, it's a rookie quarterback. Like, I don't know. Obviously, look, Caleb Williams has made a couple of bonehead plays late in games. And that's something that rookies do. but like the coach needs to

step in and do something. It's like he was he froze in the headlights or whatever. Are you, yeah, that's the thing with Matt Eberfliss. Are you watching the game? Like you're like you're in charge. It's like everyone has, you know, that moment in life where you look around.

You're like, oh, fuck. I'm the adult in the room. Yeah. Like your officer coordinator was your past game coordinator. Two weeks ago, your quarterback has been in the NFL for three months. And he's calling it audible

with 18 seconds left. You're in charge, my guy. And like, that is what the money's for. So, and again, this is in the context of the fail, Mary, where they gave, where Tyrie Stevenson is drawing at fans and they lose that game to Washington. And then the next week, they give up a 53-yard touchdown on a quarterback draw to the Cardinals at halftime. A draw, not a quarterback, a running bat draw.

They're just like giving up. They're like, all right, tackle a running back. We'll go to halftime. He scores a touchdown. Then the next week, what you're talking about, D.K., with the kicker, they don't get the hash. Like the Matt Eber Flues thing in a nutshell, they couldn't solve any of the catastrophic problems with end of half and end-of-game situations. Like, it is crazy that they were not able to solve this stuff. The sack that Caleb took before the game-ending play was also horrific protection.

There was no protection. He just got teed off on. The guy was untouched. It's funny because, like, that was unblocked off the right tackle. I haven't seen anything like that in a game in a while. that was a defensive end. You know all the stuff they do now with like, oh, we got six guys and like everyone's standing up,

but none of that. Hand in the dirt, defensive end, off the right tackle, unblocked. That's like varsity high school stuff you see that every now and then. I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed in the Bears that they didn't fire him sooner.

They made it off the press call. They had to listen to it and they're sitting in an office listening and they're just like, like, hmm, we're making up our mind. I think that was 100% fuck this guy. Let's let him, like, hoist him by his own pittard.

And we're going to make him sit out there sweat and we'll kill him right as he comes back. You know how, as you said, ESPN had the stat of, like, the heaviest guy to record a pick six? What's the fastest time a coach has been fired? I would love to know that. How quickly a coach has been fired since the game ended. It has to be Steve Sarkisian getting, like, left on the tarmac at USC, right? Oh, okay. He was literally like, yeah, he got off the plate and they fired him on the tarmac.

Yeah, if anybody knows any fun facts about how quickly a coach was fired, please email us because I'm interested in that. I'm sure Al Davis or honestly I bet Jim Resey's dad I bet Bob Ernstay fired a coach like in the locker room. No one's ever been fired midgame right? Dude, Jim Resey's dad this is like not me.

This is like in a reported article in the athletic where like Jim RSA talks about his father. Boberesee who owned the cult, he moved the cults from Baltimore to Indianapolis. He would be blackout drunk at work and fire people and then show up the next day and be like, where are they? So you fired him.

Did I? Bring him back. Yeah, it was the side felt. Like he would like, it was crazy time. Anyway. Bears. But Caleb Williams kind of did get him back in the game though.

Like I, I think lost in all this is Caleb's playing better. Right, D.K.? I will fully admit like Caleb Williams, some horrific mistakes end of game. But he's also like the guy that's getting him back into these games and keeping him in these games, especially the last two weeks.

Remember I think it was last week or this week, we were like, I'm scared for Caleb Williams. I'm actually worried about him going into these games because the last two games, he played the number one defense in the NFL by DVOA and the Vikings, and then the number two defense in DVOA and the Lions.

These are the last two opponents that he had, and they had a chance to win both games. He's completed 77% of his passes in those games, almost 300 yards a game, 100 pass a rating, five touchdowns, no picks. He also rushed for 72 yards. He's completed 10 plays of 20 plus yards. I didn't look up the third down stats,

but he's been nails on third downs. He's converted some massive third downs and fourth downs. He's the QB3 in this two-game stretch against the two best defenses in the NFL. So it's two steps forward, one step back, I think, a lot of it. And this is kind of the same thing we're doing with Drake May. Like, Drake May looks awesome until he, you know, throws the game losing pick or whatever.

Like, it's with rookie quarterbacks, I think you have to take the good with the bad. And I think Caleb Williams has done far more good over the last few weeks than bad. So I'm pretty excited. I think Bears fans should be excited. about what he's shown. He's made some incredible throws

against really good defenses. So, yeah, obviously, the late game stuff, they need to get cleaned up. And I think that will get cleaned up. But overall, man, he's looked pretty good. The other person, I'm going to give this person my,

my Oppenheimer award for the player who went nuclear. Brock Bowers, the tight-in for the Raiders. Number one scorer in all the fantasy, I guess maybe Josh Allen had he just passed him, but Brock Bowers leads all players. Do you guys know that Brock Bowers

leads the NFL and catches? period. It's wild. He's a tight end. Not rookies, not tight ends. Brock Bowers leads the NFL and catches. He is number one in catches.

He is fourth in targets. And he is fourth in yards. The leaders in receiving yards in the NFL right now is Jemar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Terry McLaurin, and Brock Bowers. I feel like Brock Bowers is like a borderline first round pick in fantasy next year. Oh, yeah.

he's like dude he's a stud he's everything that we wanted it to be and more we talked about this last week we were just too afraid of like that happened with Kyle Pitts that we were like afraid of we didn't think compis could take more from us I want to go back and listen to what I was saying about Brock Bowers during the drafts like period because I was like I love this guy and then remember when he dread like the way he dressed at the combine we saw that he was in the auto trader t-shirt and he's knox got like standing next to gronk he looks small he's got like you know like wispy He looked like a software engineer. And everyone was like,

I don't know if I'm really ready to talk about. He's like, balding. And dude, he's like fucking awesome. 84 catches, 884 yards. I love that. We're still influenced by shit like that. Like deep in our DNA, like we still, we can't help but see that photo. We're like, ah.

But the flip side is we see Anthony Richardson next to Bryce Young and you're like, hmm. I don't know. Like, I'm like, wait, I remember seeing them next to each other. And I was, Bryce young looked like the last Russian nesting doll and Anthony Richardson looked like the first Russian nesting doll.

And I was like, that guy's going to go before that guy? That's crazy. He just moves different, man. He's built different. Bill diff. It's so over. We're so back. The Washington offense is so back. I have been pretty harsh on Cliff Kingsbury and the Cliff Cliff

and for at least one week they staves it off and proved me wrong. Washington crushed the Titans. 42 to It was 28 to nothing very quickly. There was a point where Washington at 28 points and the Titans had 24 yards, which I don't know, Craig, can we have a word for that?

Oh, interesting. It's like a, okay. Give me 10. I love those stats when like a team has more points than it, like, there was, they had 24 points at one point. The Titans are like eight plays. Like it was pathetic. It's like a John Brinkett's sports science stat.

Yeah. Washington is 28 points. There was like something where maybe, I hopefully didn't just. and set me because I was like reading something else. There was one point where they had like 18 first downs and the Titans had run 16 plays. Yeah. Stuff like that.

Something like that. I'm like, dude, this is not going well for the Titans. Jane and Daniels looked awesome. He had a touchdown run where literally seven Titans were like around him on every, looked like Neo in the Matrix and like none of them really touched him on the way to the end zone. And he just, he had, yeah, 25 completions on 30 passes, 206 yards, three touchdowns. Washington looked awesome. 19 on third down.

what is this team? I don't understand how this team keeps doing this on third death. And Cliff Kingsbury even lined up Terry McLaurin on the other side of the field. McLorren's been on the left side. Only the air. He scored a touchdown from the right side. Incredible. Yeah.

And the Titans even continue their weird Titan streak of like not giving up that many yards, but giving up a fuck ton of points, which because of Will Levis and Tony Pollard fumbling. So that's really funny. But yeah. So Washington is back. D.K., who else is so back right now? Anthony Richardson.

I feel like a little bit back. A little bit back. We're back for a week. We're back. Craig, you said it the best. We honor our text chain this week. He might not be good, but boy, he's fun to watch. Good time.

Like, he's a little bit chaotic. He's fun for a night out, I'll tell you that. I don't care, you know, if he throws really egregious picks. The way he's running around is very fun and enjoyable to watch. The last three weeks, 24 designed rushes, first in the NFL. They're finally fucking doing it. Thank God. remember at the beginning of the year,

they refused to run him and try and turn him into like a drop back passer. Obviously, that might happen someday, but not happening right now. He has 142 rush yards and three touchdowns in the last three weeks as a runner. And so,

yeah, I think that's like, obviously the goal here is you want him to turn, you want him to be a Jalen Hertz type of player. Obviously, he's not Jalen Hertz, but like a guy that can really make a difference with his legs in the red zone

can be that like really dangerous, weapon from inside the five yard line. We saw that in this game. He threw the go-head touchdown, or sorry, the, was it the tie touchdown? And then they went for two to win it. Yeah. Yeah, that was going to be,

it would have been a tie. It was a great drive. And then they decided to go for the win. He ran it in on a keeper for the two-point conversion to win 25 to 24 of the Patriots. I don't know. There was a bunch of ugly drop by his receivers. I don't know, does he throw like a knuckleball or something? Because none of his fucking receivers, you go back to Florida.

He can't. catch being at the combine. He throws it 120 miles an hour. Yeah, that too. My my hands. Dude, D.K., do you remember us at the combine? He has a press conference

where he was like, asked, you've been said you don't throw a catchable ball. Do you think you should throw a catchable ball? And he's like, no, if he's in the hand, she should probably catch it. I mean, he's not wrong. It does matter. Like, that is a thing. You are supposed to change speeds and throw different pitches and like,

that is the thing you have to learn. He doesn't give a shit. No, he doesn't have much touch. The drops in this game, though, did not look to me like it was like he was throwing too hard. Like there was a deep bomb to Ad. Mitchell just boinked off his hands. Well, 80 Mitchell. Dude, Adi Mitchell is plagued by the same disease.

So many young receivers where they're like, you know what? I could catch this with two hands. But I'll just let it sick if I use one hand. It's softly glide into my body. They're like, oh, the cornerback kind of touched my shoulder. I'll just try with one hand. It's like, use two fucking hands. It's a real firmly grasping.

situation. But yeah, dude, going back even to Florida, there's just like his receivers can't catch. It's like wild. Maybe it does have something to do with how hard. But also the Colts offensive line had a like a revolving door today. They had like a bunch of guys in different positions today. But I will say when Richardson needs to be the best player in the field,

he often is. Like even last year when he barely played in games, he had that Rams game there on 20 nothing. And then they came back and like, I don't know, this game driving down, getting the touchdown, getting the two. also the first touchdown he scored where again it was the same he basically becomes like tasem hill if he was bigger and then like even just a celebration richardson did the 360 dunk celebration rock spike yeah that was like the most athletic thing i've ever seen in a football field he did that so effortlessly i'm like damn i could never do that in a million years

can celebrate like the guy uh it is fun it is fun i admit that he's still very raw and you know it's a it's You're going to have some bad games and some good games, but he's very fun to watch. He's just good enough where the cults are going to have to stick with him for the next two to three years. And they should. And they should. They should. Watching Josh Allen tonight. I know.

That's the thing. Watching Josh Allen tonight and you need a superhero. Like Josh Allen is one of the, watching Josh on tonight, I'm like, oh, I see why teams really love when the giant fast person like could play quarterback. Right. Anyway, the giant should give Sam Darnal $100 million. Yeah. Speaking of which, it's so over. It's so over for Justin Tucker.

Can you do the Trump thing? Justin Pucker. I call him Justin Pucker. I call him Justin Pucker. Puckers up every time he needs to kick and kick longer than 40 yards. I can kick and kick 40 yards. Jesus. You're going to do the accordion thing with your hands.

I've seen many people kick 40-yard field goals, much easier than Justin Pucker. The Ravens lost. to the Eagles 2419. So the Ravens lost by five points. Justin Tucker missed seven points worth of kicks in this game. DK, I need you to read the stat. There's a great Justin Tucker stat. Well, there's two.

First of all, this is the first time he's ever missed three kicks in a game. So there's that. Yeah, an extra point in two field goals. And then hold on. Oh, I have it. No, Doug Claussen. The Ravens five losses are by a combined 22 points this season. Justin Tucker has missed 22 points worth of missed kicks in the Ravens five losses.

Dude, my intrusive thought is they should get rid of him right now. That's my whole theory with kickers. If you need logs and if they needed logs, Justice Tucker is no longer obviously the best kicker in the NFL. Like that's Jesus. That's stating the very obvious. He should probably not be starting right now.

Right. That's kicking. Yeah. But I'm saying like in the old days, like he was the exception where like for the most part in my opinion, obviously this is not 100% true. But like it feels like kickers are completely just interchangeable. You could put anyone on a certain team and they'll hit whatever percentage of kicks

in one year. Jake Bates was selling bricks in Houston last year. He's the kicker for the Lions. We're the best team of the NFL right now. Exactly. There's no elite kickers. It's just a bunch of guys who can kick. And sometimes they make them and sometimes they don't.

Get another guy that makes them sometimes. Like Tucker just can't do it anymore. He's not the same guy as he used to be. And it's like he's in a slump. It's like not going to work there. Maybe it'll go somewhere else and it's not going to work now. He's all fucked up. Dude, Justin Tucker.

so of 2012 to 223, he hit 90% of his field goal attempts, which was literally number one all time. And then this year, he is hitting 70% of his field goal attempts, which would be 113th all time. I mean, he has genuinely lost them multiple games. They would have beaten the Steelers if he made his kicks. And the tough thing is like, as much as like, oh, like maybe he'll get going for the next.

I think that's the question. How many games does Tucker have to get it right for? like get back on the horse for him to be in the playoffs and you feel good about him kicking. I almost, I agree that John Harbo has asked about it. It's just going to be a story now.

I don't feel good about it ever. Harbaugh's doing the right thing. Wise to get rid of him. First of all, the problem is Justin Tucker has a commercial. Like that's really what's going on here. Justin Tucker has a commercial. Yeah, what is it for?

It's for, uh, it's, uh, it's a bad commercial if I can't remember it. Oh, Craven the, Hunter. It's a movie. He's in a Craven the Hunter commercial? Craven the Hunter. And he comes in the locker room as Craven the Hunter. For whatever.

By the way, what is that movie? I actually don't want to see it now because it's just, can you imagine having paid him and running that commercial and they're like, yeah, we got to keep running this now? I couldn't know less about Craven the Hunter. I know Aaron Taylor Johnson is in it and they pushed it. It was supposed to come out a while ago and they pushed it to now. Is it in the Marvel

universe? I think. I don't know. Craven the Hunters in a Marvel movie? I think you get Lamar Jackson. Craven the character is in the Marvel. Cai says yes, it is. Is that right? Craig. Kai says yes, it is.

They got Justin Tucker in a Marvel movie commercial. Do you know that? Lamar Jack, Derek Henry's like a Marvel character, basically. They couldn't get him. Anyway, the monster is still his talent. So Justin Tucker sucks now. Craven the Hunter. I feel like that happens, though.

Like with kickers, they just lose it at some point. I think that he has to change teams to get it back. I kind of think that's where we're at. Like, if they change teams, it's not like the Raven should have kept him if he's good. It's like, he has to leave. He should go on. Remember the Haney Project and Charles Barkley went on it?

It was Tiger Woods swing coach. And he like tried to fix his swing. Tucker needs to go to one of those. Get his mojo back, you know? Go to like a wellness retreat, maybe a darkness retreat. Oh, go into the dark. Yeah. Kick in the dark.

Maybe he should put the blindfold on, you know? Oh, like yeah. Yeah, like this to be like dodge ball. Laflare. Yeah. TK, any of the road, it's so over, so back. We're so back and also it's so over. Kyle Pitts sucks again.

Yeah. We retired the two tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts in a lie category after week eight, I think. In the past five weeks, Kyle Pitts has scored 10.5 fantasy points. I love this guy. I can't. Oh, my God. Okay, here's a smattering of players that have scored more points in fantasy football than

Kyle Pitts over the last. five weeks. Darnell Washington, Elijah Higgins, Drew Sample, Johnny Munt, Jordan Aitons, Nick Vinette, Tanner Hudson, shall I go on? Yeah.

There's a lot more. Okay. I actually, he scored 10 points. He had zero points today. In honor of the- 40% of the snaps today, sorry, go ahead.

Well, in honor of the zero points for Kyle Pitts today, I have brought back two tight ends who outspore CalPits in a lot. Oh, great. I think we needed to do it. this one is actually two tight-ins who outscored Kyle Pitts and two lies. So it's like anybody that scored a point in fantasy.

Yeah. Okay. Ethan Slater. Never heard of that person. Julian Hill. Dolphins. Tucker Fisk. Oh, yeah.

I know Tucker Fisk. And Craven the Hunter. I think. Craven the Hunter scored the same amount of points as CalPitz. Yeah. Isn't Ethan Slater, the guy from Wicked, dating Ariana Grande, or is there also an NFL player with the same name? I thought the third one was made up. Who's dating her under Gros.

Fisk is a real person. He's in the NFL. Who's dating Oriangrondi? Ethan Slater, I think, is the name of the guy playing Bach in Wicked, and he's dating Ariana Grande in real life. Is there also an NFL player named Ethan Slater? I mean, Eat Slater's, I know, there's Ray Sean Slater. So Ethan Slater, Julian Hill, Tucker Fisk. Make your picks.

Ethan Slater is fake, I think. Unless, I think. Okay, I'll go with Craig on this one too. Yeah, no, that's true. Yeah, Ethan Slater's dating her underground. But who the fuck is Julian Hill? Rod's been splenched. Ron's been splenched.

Liz thinks my impression is terrible. Yeah. Wait, oh my God, Jackie just texted me. She heard me from the other room. Ethan Slater, dating around a grande, played SpongeBob on Broadway. Yes. That's correct.

Good God. He outscored Kyle. Oh, no, he did. That's the lie. No. He's not the same amount. Yeah.

He couldn't be less of a football player, actually, if he's looking at him. No shit. Dude, should we call Kyle Pitts that next year craving the hunter? Unbelievable. He played on 39% of the snaps. Yeah. The Falcons are like, ah, this guy. Well, I think he doesn't try.

I really feel that way. There's so many routes where you watch him, And he's just kind of like lollygagging. Yeah. I think it's we're approaching attitude error. Speaking to which though with the Falcons, I think we have to do a little fart or shard here. Like I think it's, I mean, D.K.

Kirk Cousins, I know, man. Four interceptions in a game that Atlanta lost by four points. Maybe the worst game of Kirk Cousins this entire career. Was this a fart or a shart from Kirk Cousins today? I mean, this is a shart. This is three weeks in a row where he's done absolutely nothing. He has averaged 5.7 fantasy points per game over the last three weeks. Three losses for the Falcons.

He is now the QB 28 on the season just ahead of Will Levis in points per game. The Falcons offense has completely fallen apart. They've lost to the Saints, Broncos, and now the Chargers. It might be Jover for Kirk Cousins. Like people are talking about Pennix. Yeah, baby. And like legitimately talking about Pennix. Dude.

Well, so Rahim Morris basically ruled out playing Michael Pennix this week. but Kirk Cousins, I don't know what happened to him, but like, he doesn't look healthy. He's not on the injury report. Maybe that doesn't mean anything anymore, but like he doesn't look healthy. I could, I mean, he made mental mistakes too. Like he threw two interception into triple coverage, one interception in the end zone. He threw the pick six, which was so, it looked like it was slow motion. That was like a Madden level pick six where you're like forcing a play on.

Yeah. I've never seen a ball travel so slowly. Well, there's no juice on the past two. There's no juice. There's like physically possible. No juice. Hayden winks tweeted this out and he said Kirk Cousins became the first quarterback in the next gen stats era

to not throw a pass over 36 miles an hour in a game. Oh, really? And I thought about that. I didn't know they measured that. I didn't know they measured it either. Now did I think about it. I hope Hayden didn't make that up as a joke. I assume he did not.

But I thought about that. 36 is a funny number. You know why? Leonard Williams. Leonard Williams on the interception return ran 18 miles an hour. Right. And so I was thinking about Craig's argument with his friend Chris about could you outrun a B

in a tube. Could a person outrun a T, a B in a tube? And I was thinking how funny it was that Kirk Cousins' passes today, none of them were twice as fast as Leonard Williams running that pick six back. Wow. Yeah, I remember watching that and I'm like, man, it looks like that passes in slow motion and the guy just jumped it easily, like the most easy pick six, you can imagine. It feels like Kirk Cousins' destiny is they bench him for Michael Pennix.

Michael Pennix plays great. They make the playoffs. Pennix gets hurt because he's injury prone and Kirk comes back in, saves the day. They win a couple games of Kirk. That is what they should be doing. So they do with Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson, you do that to Kirk Couss? You bench him and then it comes back and he's good now. Yeah.

Well, you slash Kirk's tire so that he gets in an accident and then Pennix can come in like they did with Andy Dalton. That was clearly inside job. Do you guys think that the car accident with Andy Dalton? Do you think that was like staged? inside job? Yeah, inside job. Do you think the Panthers

crashed his car? I would not put anything above Tepper or below. What is the word? What's the expression? David. More like David Tamper. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tampering, yeah. D.K., what word were you trying to find? I wouldn't put anything... Past him. You wouldn't put past him. I said above and I'm like, okay, I'm losing it.

Committal. Committal. Yeah, you got a committal, David Tepper. Can we run through this Andy Dalton thing real quick? because I had this written down for intrusive thoughts, but basically at one point today,

I was like, thank God, Andy Dalton got in that car accident. Obviously, feel good that his family is okay. No one was seriously injured. But here's a, like a quick recap of how everything went down

with the Panthers this year. Bryce Young, truly horrific to start the season. They bench him, I think it was after two games or three games, and went to Andy Dalton. Panthers got their asses kicked by the commanders in week 7, 40 to 7.

Dave Canales, the head coach, came out after the game and said they were sticking with Dalton as the starter, nonetheless. All-time low moment for Bryce Young, I would think. Maybe getting bench was lower, but, like, basically there was no hope. Andy Dalton was not helping whatsoever. This team was going nowhere. They were still getting their asses kicked. And the head coach came out and said, yeah, we're still playing Andy Dalton after that game. Tuesday of that week, Andy Dalton and his family got into a car accident.

Dalton sprained his thumb in the accident, so the team begrudgingly had to go back to Bryce Young. And since taking over Bryce Young, he is the QB22 in fantasy, which is like fine, whatever. But he's like just, he looks like a professional NFL quarterback. Like he looks like the future of this team. And I think there was a report today that said they weren't going to, the Panthers are not thinking about taking a quarterback next year. Like they want to stick with Bryce and kind of see where this goes. He's thrown six touchdowns of three picks, is a 93 pass rating.

He's looked really good. If you compare the numbers to CJ Stroud. Oh, God. Since week eight in the last like five or six. six weeks or whatever. It's like he's out playing Stroud. Like his stats are all way better than Strouds. Dude,

that was my intrusive thought this week was Bryce Young looks better than Stroud. That was an intrusive thought. This is wild. This is wild. And the only reason this is happening is because Andy Dalton got in a car crashed. Got in a car crash. Yeah. I will say,

who hit him. Was it different? This is an all-time win. It's kind of like a low-stakes princess Diana situation, I think. Right. Yeah. Low-stakes Princess Diana. That's good.

This is an all-time. William Goldman, nobody knows anything. Turn around from Bryce Young. Because literally it's not even like, the people outside this building didn't believe in us and we did. No, the people inside that building super did not believe Bryce Young had this.

They were like, this guy sucks. Hence they benched him. And like literally they were forced to play. If you made a reel of like 20 plays, of like what are the best 20 plays, not highlights, but just the best 20 throws, whatever, of Bryce Young's NFL career so far.

19 of them are from the last five weeks. Yeah. Easily. He looks better than the stats even suggest. Like, if you actually watch him, he just looks really competent out there.

He just looks like a guy who should be starting in the NFL. I remember, like I said this last week. I'm like, oh, this is the guy watching it play. I was like, oh,

this is the guy that I ranked really highly. And a lot of people had as like the number one player in the draft. Obviously, the Panthers did too. And, you know, in the last year, it's been like,

man, like, what were we seeing? Like, I think there was like a lot of questioning like, oh, a guy this size could clearly never work in the NFL, but like he is playing like I think everyone expected him to play now. And that's

really, really encouraging for the Panthers. And by the way, I don't even think the Panthers like receivers are very good. Like Adam Thielen made a couple of insane catches today, including one that got overturned or not overturned, but it was like not called a touchdown. And then I guess they didn't have conclusive evidence that it was a touchdown, even though it looked like a touchdown. And then he had the most incredible one-handed, fourth down catch in overtime that basically would have won them the game and then Chuba Hubbard fumbles the ball and ruined everything. But like, obviously, Xavier League, he has a ton of potentially super athletic, explosive

guy, but like, I don't know, he had a couple drops I felt like in this game. He's, he's still coming on. I don't, like, they don't even have like a good offensive system around him. And he's still playing really well. So that's got to be like so, so encouraging for Panthers fans right now because maybe he is the future of this team. I don't know. Like, I think there's definitely like, it's well within the realm of possibility now that

he's like the long-term starter for them. Got me feeling, or any of their fart of sharts? No, I think Kirk. Kirk is like the one big shart. I think it's a shark. Big shirt from Kirk. Falcons are first place to the NFC South at 6 and 6. They would be the fourth place to NFC North.

I think that's so funny to me. I just want to see penics. Unzipped the penics. What? I've just been seeing a lot of memes about like bring out the penics. Yeah. It's kind of my mind. I don't know.

Estabst the run. Who tweeted out the, The Riley read. No one wants to say it. It was Riley Reid. All right? We all know who it is. I don't know who that is. Stop pretending like you don't know who Riley Reid is. Genuinely, don't know what you're talking about.

Sure, sure. I don't know what that is. The Riley Reid meme. What was it? What was it? Put in the penics? Put in penics. Put in panic. Release the penics.

Oh my God. Anyway, what else? Do you think that no context ringer fantasy football memes guy is going to have that that as one of the photos? I hope so. Yeah. All right. Got me feeling nicey other than Riley Reid.

Got me feeling nicey. Dude, Drake Mae. Drake May played amazing today for the Patriots. He continues his run of a perfect Patriots game, which is Drake May looks awesome. And then the Patriots lose. Right.

Which for my money is great. The Patriot 25, 24, the Colts beat him. And again, beat him on the last play and like the two point conversion. Perfect. Drake Bay, 24 of 30 passes. He completed 238 yards. touchdown pick. The pick was like, I mean, it should have been a second touchdown.

It was Hunter Henry in his hands. It bubbled out. It was crazy. But Drake May not in the same stylistically as Bryce Young, but similarly, when you watch him, he's always way more impressive than the box score. Like, he just, he is late. Like, frankly, Drake May looks like he will be like 80% of Josh Allen. Like the way he stands in the pocket, the way he scrambles, he's not as good

of a runner's Josh Allen. He doesn't have as much of the laser. he doesn't have quite the same energy. But he's kind of got like a good Kirkland brand version of it where it's like I can see him competing with Josh Allen for the next five years. Like obviously right now the team sucks and he's a rookie. He reminds me of Justin Herbert. Yeah.

I think he could be like a Herbert type of player. Hopefully not in a derogatory sense because I think some people are still, I don't know, not sold on Herbert because of big games and all that. But yeah, man, he like he's big, powerful. he's got a howitzer arm, he runs around. He's like a really good scramble. He's been way better as a runner, I think, than anyone expected. Like, Jaden Daniels, like, I'm impressed with his ability to, like, keep his eyes downfield,

even when there's, like, pressure all around him because the Pat's line sucks. Also, Dekam curious, watching this game with Richardson not having the touch of, you know, just like, all he's got is RPG. I was actually just, I was very surprised to see, like, Drake Bay really does have touch. that really, maybe it's just because Anthony Richardson is zero, but it really stood out to me today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just the comparison or whatever.

Yeah, I mean, he can layer a pass. Like, I think there's still mechanical stuff with like his footwork every once in a while. It gets a little wonky, but yeah, he can layer a pass. He's got good touchdown on the field. He's obviously got the arm strength. And very encouraged with, I mean, honestly, like all these rookie quarterbacks.

We haven't talked about Jane Daniels that much today, but he's looked awesome as well. I mean, Dr. May's only played eight games. I got to say, for only playing eight games, this guy has developed pretty quickly and for how shitty of a team he's on with the offensive line, the lack of receivers.

He's doing a lot with a little already. Right now, like, if you look at this rookie class, like obviously Caleb Williams, Jane Daniels, Drake May, people I think are feeling pretty good about these three guys. J.G. McCarthy coming back next year, I think he's kind of been a forgotten man because he obviously got hurt and is not playing.

But like, in that offense, that Vikings' offense, that's resurrected Sam Darnold. I'm like super excited to see what he can do next year. Obviously Michael Panix. Yeah. I think Panx is going to be really good too. If we get five new like pretty good starters out of this draft class,

that would be incredible. I would be so good for the NFL. Six. Wait, who am I missing? Oh, Bo Nix. Obviously, Bo Nix and Bo Nix has been, sorry, Broncos fans are just going to like want to throttle me. But like, Boonex has also been extremely impressive. Like, you know, QB8 or something like that.

Dude, Broncos fans are going to kill us. I obviously, look, I forgot because he didn't play today. He's playing tomorrow. Yeah, they're playing Monday night. Give us a break. Give us a break. I feel like I've been pretty complimentary of him lately. Like he's looked really good.

He's, he's played really clean football. He runs around. He's dangerous in the red zone. I mean, obviously he's like turning Cortland. He's like, he has an awesome connection with Cortland Sutton.

Like, it's all good. Like, I don't know, this whole class, six stars, potentially six starters. That'd be amazing.

Craig Wilson's got you feeling next. No, it's okay. Just going to get killed. Craig, who else has got you feeling nicely? uh, Bucky Irving,

the running back for the Buccaneers aptly named 150 yards rushing today. Really pissed me off. I was going against Rashad White and fantasy and for some reason at the end of the game and overtime they decided

to just kill the clock with Rashad White. Yeah, what was that about? Not the like stud running back that they just drafted, who's been amazing and they finally unleashed all year. Um,

but yeah, I feel like Bucky is kind of a under the radar guy who has broken through this season and today was like his real coming out party. Now, I think, uh,

you had to kind of rank all the running backs for the rest of the season, I think Bucky Irving is like a top 15 guy going forward now. A debutante, if you will. Ooh, yeah, a late season debutante. Can I ask you ask you a question? If Bucky Irving, like, if you were going to rank where Bucky Irving should go in drafts next year, like, don't give you the right answer. What was your first thought?

I don't want, like, the actual accurate answer. Third round? Second round. I was saying second round. If Bucky Irving had been drafted like 25th in the first. round. Wouldn't you be like, oh, yeah, Buckyer was the first rounder. Definitely. Like, you've seen what you've seen from the Tampa Bay offense and Buck Yirving, if he had been

a first rounder, you'd be like, I'll take him 10th. Yeah. But he was like, you're fourth rounder, so I'll take him. Like, we need to remember that. Like, he really is perfectly fine second round pick in fantasy. He genuinely looks fantastic. Like, if you just changed his jersey and put whatever, Jonathan Taylor's jersey on him and I watched it.

I'd be like, oh, yeah, of course. This is one of the best running backs in the league. he's the perfect example of I don't know like the guys that slip through the cracks in the NFL draft because of height weight speed you know what I mean like every year there's a couple guys that are just really good at football and they put up stats and everything but like they just bomb when it comes to like the height weight speed stuff like I remember watching him early on in the draft process last year I was like oh I really like this guy he's really elusive he catches a ton of passes like he's making guys miss,

like he's turning guys around when he's running and all this stuff. I really liked him. And then he's really light and really slow. And I'm like, there's just not a lot of guys in the NFL who are small and slow and really good. You know what I mean?

There's like the old guy for the Patriots, Dion, what's his face? I totally bless you. Dion Lewis. Dion Lewis is like a good example of like a really slow, small guy who was like awesome. But it's just like so rare in the NFL

you have a small, slow guy that is really good at running back. His timing is impeccable. So I kind of like, I really regret it, but I was kind of just like, I pushed him down my rankings. I'm just like, you know, like this type, this archetype of player just doesn't work out very often. Even though he was really good, obviously he was awesome at Oregon,

incredible stats at Oregon. He was like one of the top pass catchers in college football at the running back position, or at least in his class. And like we're seeing all that in the NFL. He's like awesome. It's a big couple of weeks for small, slow rookies. All right. Intrusive thoughts.

My intrusive thought this week. I love brawls. Is that an intrusive thought? Who doesn't love brawls? I don't know. But I just, I guess more specifically like, maybe I just,

this was Apex Mountain for brawls. Specifically like, bloodthirsty. I loved, I loved the college football weekend of when all these, you know, all the, all the visiting teams are kicking the shit

out of the rival teams. And like, they're planting the flags at midfield. And then the home guy, who just lost running and like kick the shit out of those people. And they take the flag and they rip up the flag. And they basically like fight the people. And all I watched all these.

I mean, it happened in, I mean, Michigan, Ohio State, NC State, UNC, Florida, Florida State, all with just flag plant brawls every single time. I was like, yeah, fuck those guys. Like I love when the home field team is like, fuck you. Like, dude, Arizona State. Did you see this? Arizona State was at Arizona. They put their sun devil trident into the low, into the,

end zone. And then someone came and they were like fighting over the trident. Like it was Anchorman. They're like ripping the trit for each other. And I was like, this is incredible. Rick killed a man. It's why college football is better than the NFL.

It's like two teams who have no shot of winning the title. This is all that matters to them. And they're willing to get like getting a massive brawl over a random win. It's the best. Ryan Day is just like standing around at the Ohio State captain's like, Dirk! I'm like, hell yeah, man. I don't know.

I'm kind of like, dude, well, if you don't want to have that, how I just win. I mean, that's kind of my, that's kind of my take on the whole thing. Like,

you know what? Maybe you should win the game next time. I think a lot of people feel that way. Yeah. Especially about Ryan Day. All right, what do you guys introduce your thoughts? I just,

I just think Ladd-McConkey's better than Marvin Harrison, Jr. Straight up. I just think if I could have one, I'd rather have Lad. I like, I totally agree.

like when are we going to have the Marvin Harrison Harrison he had a touchdown today and he salvaged it and he looked and he had like who cares a couple of big catches he doesn't who cares he's not I don't care no no I don't care that he had a really cool

touchdown it was a fine touchdown he had a normal day he is not essential to the offense no he's not Brock Bowers is kind of overshadowing what Ladd is doing almost a little bit because obviously the entire Raiders offense is circling around Brock and is completely dependent on Brock I think you could make the

case for what LA is doing. Like, there's nothing going on in the Chargers. Now, even especially since J.K. Dobbins went down. Like, this entire offense, like, fully relies on this rookie second rounder, Ladd McConkey. And they're eight and over the second half of the season since week eight, like Ladd McConkey is seventh in the NFL in receiving yards per game. He's very, very good. They had 115 passing yards at halftime.

The Chargers did. 105 of the 115 were to Ladd McConkey. He is incredibly crucial to their offense. To me, I'm like, I think Trey McBride is more crucial than Marvin Harrison. I would argue James Connor, honestly, is like more important to the offense than Marvin Harrison. And meanwhile, Ladd McConkey's out here, like deciding games and putting the entire team on his back every week. He got hurt today. I don't know if you saw that.

He has a knee injury. Didn't come back in, I think. And so there's a little bit of concern there. He'll survive. He has like eight catches for 120 yards. I'm not saying Marvin Harrison Jr. is a bust, but right now he's certainly closer to Kyle Pitts than Brock Bowers. that's all. He's not a bust, but he's definitely a massive disappointment.

I'd say that's like, okay, thank God. No, sure. Dude, like, what are you talking about bust?

Like, he, I didn't say it's a bust. It's December. There's no such thing as a bust of here. I'm just saying, there is absolutely a bust. He was the highest.

Bryce Young was a bust. Come on. Marvin Harrison Jr. Marvin Harrison Jr. had kind of a nightmare season for when it's relative to the hype that was around him. but like it's not like he's bad. He's starting.

He's playing. He's catching lots of passes. He had a touchdown today. Like, I don't know. We need to like get a guy. I mean, you called him a massive disappointment like 20 seconds.

Yes, because everyone thought he was going to be like the next fucking coming of, of Marvin Harrison Sr. Yeah, well, this conversation is my massive disappointment. Yeah, but you were using the term bust.

I'm just fighting back against term bust. I said he was not a bust. I said he was not a bust. You freaked out because he's the word. I said he's not a bust. Yeah, don't use the word around me. How dare you, sir? Keep that name.

You're the one. You're the one who's not supposed to use the word buster on me. Let's be, let's get that. Let's all stop using the word bust. We're all going to stop. We're all going to stop. No one is allowed to bust. There's been too much penics talk.

Play of the day, I mean, the play of the day was the Amari Cooper lateral to Josh Allen where he caught his touchdown that he threw. That was unbelievable. Craig, will you announce that as Gus Johnson? Well, the... Oh, the Gus Johnson Interception with it. The Gus Johnson Interception was one of the best announcing moments in the history of sports, I think. I don't know what happened to that man.

He, like, it's like all oxygen was sucked out of his lungs and he still had to go on. You know what I thought it? Okay, first of all, I thought it sounded exactly like somewhat. Have you ever eaten a bignet? Yeah. If you're eating a bignet and you're inhaling as you eat it, like you inhale the powdered sugar and you don't know. challenge? It's like you

like you inhale it and you choke on the powder sugar. It sounded like he was eating a bignet when the interception happened. Wait, wait, Kai. Like inhale the fucking powder. Play the Gus Johnson, Kai. Play it.

Warren. Look, gang. And it's intercepted at the goal eyes. Unbelievable. Wow. Jack Sawyer. The hero.

Captain Jack. The hero. The hero. So if he were to do that, it would have been Josh Allen in the pocket hits Cooper on the outside. And he laterals. He laterals to Alan.

Oh my God. He gets there for the eyes on. The hero. He's in the snow. Eating a bignet. Oh, my God. The hero. It's intercepted.

It's like a bug flew into his throat. Unbelievable. Big guy. Play it again. Play it again. Warren. Look, Ging. And is intercepted at the goal line.

Unbelievable. Wow. Jack Sawyer. The hero. Jack Sawyer. Oh, my God. I love to go. Look, Gag.

It's intercepted. Oh, my God. I'm crying. The heroes. Oh, my God. I'm trying. I'm not accepted. Oh, God.

He's the best. Ooh. I'm truly, like, crying right now. All right. Well, nothing can compete with that. Worst play of the day. I mean, Leviscus, Chenault pick a play.

D.K., what do you think was the worst play Leviska Chonalt made today? Was it the first time he fumbled the kickoff? The second time he fumbled the kickoff? Or the third time he fumbled the kickoff? I was watching like a red zone replay and I was like

Is he a new place? That's true. Sometimes like the game breaks that you see Richardson scoring a touchdown. I can't tell if this is life. What is going on? He did the thing. It's like I know I bring this up all the time.

He did the thing where he like fucking he boppels his phone and ends up booting it like a hundred feet. You know what I mean? Like he's just like he caught the kick. Ran with it for a while. Then all of a sudden it was just flying forward like 30 yards. Dude. What are you doing?

saying, I think there was like a special team space jam situation because between Leviska-Schanalt and Justin Tucker, like, it really feels like they both like had their powers taken from them. Like they literally it's like there's like they got someone is in their bodies that's not an NFL player because like that's what it looks like right now. God, that was tough. The other, I mean, the worst play of the day, I mean, I do that the Trevor Lawrence getting knocked out by Aziz al-Shayr on the Texans.

That was an absolutely brutal play. Talk about a brawl afterwards. Yeah. Right for so. My worst referee moment, it's not their fault because this is the rule, but I just think it's stupid that the penalty for the retaliation of knocking out a quarterback on an awful play offsets the play itself. Like it's just offsetting penalties.

They kill your quarterback and you defend him and the penalties offset? Yeah, I'm surprised of all the things that, like, New York, it gets in their ear about of just saying like, oh yeah, hey, refs do this or that. They're not like, yeah, maybe call that penalty on the Texas. Make it a personal foul or something.

So it's an automatic gain for the Jags. And then like the stuff afterwards can be offsetting. Both sides fought each other. But the actual, like the Shaihir hit should be enforced no matter what. That was the harshest hit in years. Dude, he's the same guy who punched, uh, was it Rochon? Johnson when he wasn't even on the field.

He wasn't even like in the play and he punched him in the face. Someone said to me casually the other day that there's never been a normal linebacker. And I like, I can't stop thinking about that. Like there's no normal linebackers. Yeah. I mean, their job is to like be a missile. But yeah, but Trevor Lawrence, I mean, that was horrific. Like he went to a fencing pose and like I, it's.

I also, I always get really scared for like the person who got hit when the fight is going on right around them. Oh, I know. That was the worst part. I was like, dude, everybody, there's like one lineman trying to protect him from this like massive mob. Yeah. Yeah. Lawrence had, he had like the fencing.

Yeah. Poster or whatever right away. You know how fucked up football is? We were watching that. And then Jackie's like, wait, so if he's fencing, why aren't his fingers moving? And I'm like, well, no, that's only for two. And I'm like, explaining how fencing works. And I'm like, what the fuck is the sport we do?

Ghoulish sport. Yeah. Yeah, ghoulish. It was a ghoulish sport and a ghoulish play. Honestly, like, he, it was, yeah, he looked like he got hit by a car. Like, it was abs, they was disgusting. And, you know, it's almost weird to see him, like, upright on a golf cart after that. But, like.

Yeah, he was moving. He tweeted after the game and he's doing all right. But, man. Yeah. I think they, did they eject Jags players as well? Uh, because I know Shire got ejected. Did they eject Jags players? I'm sure the ghosts are screaming.

I don't remember. I'll show you a win. I think they did and that annoyed me too. I just think it's all, I don't know. At this point, it's just to restore order. I mean, I'll say it's going to get,

I mean, that's not just going to be a fine. He's going to get suspended. Honestly, they might just spend them like the rest of the regular season, at least probably at least a couple games. But no, that was,

that was brutal. That was horrific. Yeah. It's crazy because like 20 years ago that would have been on like jacked up on ESPN. We had a, we did the rewatchables a few weeks ago with Bill and Van on the movie the replacements,

the Keanu Reeves football movie. and there's like a lot of stuff that hasn't aged well but one is like the types of hits and these guys getting concussed and whatever and we made a breakout about how literally in 2001 when that movie came out it was like the coolest thing in the world to watch dudes just get their heads knocked off

and it would like you know they'd be like Sports Center compilations like this guy got jacked up and he's like on the ground fencing and everyone's like jacked up I'll never forget like Jeremiah Trotter annihilating Reggie Bush I'm like a Drew Brees hanging swing pass.

I felt like Richard Bush's whole career changed. And I'm like, yeah, it's like, it's just, you know, it's crazy. Jerry and Jones, the corner for the Jags, got ejected. Yeah. An eye for an eye. I don't know. Ingram might have gotten ejected too. Ingram came to.

Ingram hit him first, hit Shire right after the Lawrence hit. It was weird to watch the linemen like be so mad going to get Al Shire that they like were fighting over Lawrence. It was, yeah, the whole thing was very, honestly it was like barbaric. It was crazy. But yeah, that brawl was less cool,

but more deserving. You like that brawl too? That's the brawl. I did like the brawl and that I was like, yeah, fucking get them. I do love watching. It was like,

yeah, get his ass. I love watching offensive alignment and defend their quarterbacks. That is like one of the purest forms of like Evan Enggram. Everyone was giving props to every ingram. Yeah,

that was awesome. Dude, offensive line is the only position in any sport where your only job is to protect your teammates. Yeah. And there is, something about watching it. It's like a herd of buffalo. Like, you know what I mean? Like,

it's just like, you're going to fuck your ass up. A herd of buffalo. It is. Like, you don't fuck with them. Protect the young. Yeah. All right. Arthur Smith Award, coach that pissed you off. I mean, this is Iber flus. We hit this earlier. I mean, I guess this is like the former coach you pissed you off. Yeah. Unforgivable. This is unforgivable.

But yeah, the Iberfluse thing. I mean, again, it's absolute shortest of shortlist. Also, because it's Thanksgiving. It's going to get talked about every, every year. Yeah, it's the first time the Bears have fired to coach midseason ever. Yeah. The only thing, Craig, I thought of you when this happened was that the Washington had Jaden Daniels in the game with two minutes left, up 30 points. I was thinking of you.

Don't get it. Even if he's handed the ball off, I don't get it. It was 42 to 19 or something. Even today in the Sunday night game, Brock Purdy was in pretty late. They brought everybody back out, and I was like, this feels pointed from Shanahan. Like, you're going to fucking play. You get back in there. Yeah.

You're going to smoke the whole pack of cigarettes. I thought he brought Dobbson. He brought Josh Dobson. But there was like five minutes left. It was 35 to 10 in a blizzard. And they like brought him back out and they went three and out. And I was like, why is he in this game? It's the playing version of like the story of your friend Chris deciding he was going

to go like impotent or impotent for the rest of his life. It's like, you know, you spend all week being like, we're going to win. And then it's like in the middle of it. You're like, you're going to lose. And it's like, it's got harder. Except he's your. for us. Worst ref moment we mentioned, I mean, all the

Lawrence thing with the offsetting flags and everything. Craig, you did text us, why don't refs call illegal formation plays dead? And I couldn't stop thinking about that all day. Yeah, they just let the plays happen. And no matter what, it'll just be a penalty. There's like nothing, there's nothing

the offense can get except for losing five yards. But then I thought, is it because they want to give the defense a chance to get a turnover? Maybe. But my thinking was they would, imagine if they got it wrong. Imagine if they blew an illegal formation dead and it wasn't a legal formation in like a crucial point of the game. So maybe they just let it go. I don't know. I guess the only things they really blow dead are false starts. Right. And then in all sides,

if the off sides is like, you know, unabated to the quarterback and you're like, you're going to get them. Yeah. I don't know. I guess I guess it's just like, and my only thought was like if the refs stopped to play called illegal formation and then they found out it wasn't a legal formation, that'd be a big deal. I think it's for the defense. I think it's the assumption that like if the defense gets a sack, they're like, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I guess. Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it award.

Nick Westbrookickeeney has seven touchdowns now in his last eight games, this motherfucker. He got two today. He has eight in eight games. Oh, eight and eight games. Yeah, he had two more today. Yeah. So what is this guy's deal? Wait, he had two today?

He did. Oh, no. Wait, does that mess up my cool stat I had? How many cats? Did he have two catches? You have three, I believe. Okay, yeah, yeah, three catches. Okay, two touchdowns, three catches.

So I have an announcement. That is the most. So if you just look at players with 20 or fewer catches in an eight-game span, no one has ever had more touchdowns on 20 or few catches than any eight-game span in NFL history of the Nick Westbrookic. It is the most ever. He's fourth in the NFL right now in touchdowns. Jamar Chase, Terry McCorn, Alman Ross, St. Brown are the only three guys that have more touch.

Dude, he has 20 catches on the entire season and eight of them. All he does is fucking sport touchdown. That would be a lot. Like, for reference, if you had 20 catches and eight of them were first downs, that would be kind of a lot. This ties nicely with my Lucille Bluth stat, which is that Trey McBride still doesn't have a touchdown this year, everybody. I can't buy this guy a touchdown.

Trey McBride is on pace for 112 catches and he's got zero touchdowns. He has a rushing touchdown. Over the last 20 seasons Oh, that's true, yeah. Yeah, he has a rushing touchdown. Over the last 20 seasons, only one other pass catcher has caught more than 70 passes

without a touchdown. And I think we all know who that is, right? Do you remember that season? I was thinking about Tray McBride's rushing touchdown. I wasn't listening. Over the last 20 seasons, there's only been one other guy who's had more than 70 catches

without a touchdown in this season. Oh, oh, Deonti Johnson's. Deonti Johnson in 2022. Yeah. And he had 86 in 17 games. Trey McBridehry has 73. He's the tight end three on the season. He doesn't have a touchdown.

That's why the weird thing we were talking about him. He's almost like a by-low because he's like, Trey McBride. It's like he's clearly the number one tight. Heaven Bowers are like so head and shoulders above everyone else at the position. He's third and catches in yards in the league at tight end and he's no touchdowns. It's wild. It's insane.

He's like 12 catches a game. Josh Allen is more of receiving touchdowns than him. Barlow, too, that. Marvin Harrison has seven touchdowns, by the way. trying to call him a bust. How many yards you have like $500? I literally play the tape. I said, I'm not calling him a bust.

Did you call him a bust? I'm just kidding. I'm sure that's correct. Honestly, what sucks is like he's fine. But no, no, the funniest part of the whole thing is you were like, he's not a bust. He's just a massive disappointment. Relative to what is the definition of a bust?

I know, that's what I was going to say. That was D. D.K.'s words. He's not a bust. It's just a massive disappointment. Anyway, the stat I saw that, just blew my mind this week. Shout up Brian Howell who tweeted this.

This is college. Travis Hunter for Colorado became the first player in Colorado history with over a thousand yards in offense and four interceptions on defense since Byron Whizzer White in 1937. This is the dude who won the heisman. He's like a Supreme Court justice.

Yeah, went to the NFL, played in the NFL, went to World War II, won like the Iron Cross, came back, became a Supreme Court. The Iron Cross. No. Iron Cross? No, what am I thinking? That's a Nazi thing.

Oh, shit. Well, it's a German. No, yeah. I meant the fuck. I meant the, uh, he might have gotten an Iron Cross. Wow. Is Wizard White a traitor?

Took one back. Yeah, no. It's crazy how much these dudes names come up. Like every two weeks, it's like, Klois box pops up, Wizard White, milk plump. Pungsten Armo Doyle. Yeah. It does, it does feel like ever since we've talked about any of these fucking weird guys.

with the weird names, they just continually to like pop up on all these stats. Who was the guy who stood on the, on the, on the, uh, shipwreck Kelly. Shipwreck, he wasn't even a Supreme Court justice though. He was just like Whizzer White. We spent like 30 minutes talking about. Wissor White.

Whizzer White. Supreme Court justice. That was Supreme Court justice. I found Wizard White because I was trying to find if anyone had had more carriers with negative yards and some Derek Henry search. I was like, Who the fuck is Windsor White? Anyway. Also, I did a triple take today.

I saw Eddie Piniero is now the most accurate kicker in NFL history. What are we doing? Whoa. Eddie Pignor is played for the Bears, Jets and Panthers. You're telling me he's the most accurate kicker ever. This is what D.K.K. They're interchangeable. You could have given me.

I cover the NFL. If you had given me 50 guesses of who's the most accurate kicker in NFL history, I wouldn't have gotten that right. Every kicker in NFL history is really good until they're bad. And then every other one. is really bad until they're good. It just like there's no rhyme or reason. Just pick some random kicker.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who your kicker is. All right. I'm sorry. On that note. So burn book. Last week we burned Marvin Harrison Jr. The burn book in chronological order. Deshawn Watson, Christian Kirk, DeAndjee Swift, Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Travis, Eton, Mahomes, Jalen Waddle, Michael Pittman, DJ Moore, Debo, now Marvin Harrison, Jr. I kind of think Justin Tucker should go in the burn book.

Because you know what? If you have them, you probably drafted him like weirdly high. And now you got to cut him. And that's kind of sad. I respectfully disagree. The person we should burn is 100% C.J. Stroud. And I can't believe we have him. Oh, yeah, yeah.

That's true. C.J. Stroud. And Tankdale. C.J. Strout and Tankdale. Tankdale. Tankdown can die in a fire. God. Sorry.

I don't mean that. I don't mean that. I don't mean that. I don't mean that. What the fuck? I started that, dude, every fucking week this year. Like, you're playing the Jags. Like, if there's any time to do it, it's right now.

He had one catch for two yards. I actually think you should cut Tank Dell and probably Strout too, because, like, I mean, again, if they can't do that, if they can't play well against the Jags, this was their best matchup of the season. Worst thing is, they won. They keep reinforcing this terrible process. But they're playing dollar. dolphins,

Chiefs, Ravens, maybe that Ravens game of Christmas will be a shootout. But here's my thing. If you make it that far, you're then a championship or for the toilet bowl. Are you going to put your toilet,

are you going to spend your Christmas hoping C.J. Stroud or Taintell have their best game of the season on Christmas. CJ Stroud. Dude, C.J. Stroud. Do it like he ate up in yay.

C.J. Strowd. Dude, C.J. Stroud. Is the why, sorry, is the quarterback.

26. He is the 26th best quarterback in fantasy football this year. Bryce Young out playing him over the last six weeks. Aaron Rogers is out playing him. If one of us had said on the Take Purge that we think Bryce Young will be better than Seeger Straub by the end of the year, we would have been like, that's a little too far for the

Ted coach. Like, come on. Like, you don't mean that. It's remarkable the streak of mediocrity that C.J. Stroud has been on this season. Genuinely. I think he's a huge bylaw next year. They're going to fire Slowick. They're going to get a real coordinator and they're going to be really good.

I don't know. I'm starting to worry. It's Damiko Ryan's fault that they have this style of offense. Probably defensive coach, maybe, but, you know, I don't know. He watches the games. Whatever. I still think he's good, but yes, I think we need to.

Yeah, Stroud Endell. Tank Dell's got to go. You took, again, you took Tank Dell being like, well, Stefan Diggs, Nicole Collins to get the cheaper. version. Nico missed a month, digs is out for the season, and Tankdale still is irrelevant. Dalton Schultz is more part of this

offense right now than Tankdale. The Texans have played, the last three games, they played the Cowboys, the Titans, and the Jags. And CJ Stroud had 11 points, 17 points, and 14 points in those games. And Tank Dell, bless his heart.

That's why we were low on him. I mean, hopefully people listening don't have Stratt. We were pretty low in the season. He was averaging more points 8, 9, and 3. Thanks, Tank. Nick Westbrookin is averaging more points than him.

Dude, Nick Westbrookin Yeah, in one game has more points that Tankdells had in November. Jalen Waddle averaging more points. Rashad Bateman. You can just take some random NPC off the waiver wire

and it'd probably be averaging more points than Tankdale this year. I can't believe it took us 13 weeks, but Stroud and Tank Dell, you're in the burn book. Season wouldn't be complete without them in the burn book. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com. Email is trivia about, we just talked about a lot of stuff. Yeah.

You know, I'll take trivia on bignets. I'll take trivia on Gus Johnson. I'll take trivia on Byron Wizard White, whatever you want, Iron Crosses, whatever. Ringer Fantasy Football on Gmail.com. Emails and then also, send us your fantasy court cases. I have a wild fantasy court case for you guys this week. Nice.

I have something that happened to me and then I also something I'm considering doing. Those are also, those are things. Okay. That's what you call tease. Yeah. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig.

Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Most of all, thank you ever for listening. And thank you, Lorne. Lord. Thank you, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Nice.

Just sneezed. Sorry. Yeah, you put a finger up. Was that like you needed to say something or you were sneezing? Were you telling me to stop? No, I was pointing to our Lord and Savior Lauren Michaels. Oh, right, right, right. Oh, right.

Right. Tom Petty, Goat. Dude, yeah. Jackie, one of her favorite songs is Wildflowers. Also, one of the best things that's ever run on the ringer.com, great website, is Rob Hervilla's obituary of Tom Petty. Which I've said before on this thing. You've definitely done Tom Petty before.

I feel like we don't. I feel like we've done Tom Petty maybe two months ago. Yeah, because I think I just said the same thing I said. We just had the Wildflower's conversation. I just said that sounds familiar. Fuck. Did I say that exact same thing that I said? I think you did.

Dude, we're starting to do this at an alarming rate. Fuck. Yeah. We're going to be like those people that Google, what's Alzheimer's and then see that it's already purple? It's like your number one search. Like you've already looked at it. Oh, God.

Sometimes if I listen back on the same fucking conversation. It's like edge of tomorrow, but just for podcasting. All right. Give me another band here. Tribe Called Quest. You know, we just did that, didn't we? Dude. No.

We've done them. We've done them, I think. It was years ago. All right. You can't do another band. This opens up a whole can of worms once we do that once. We just did all the Harry Potter or Coachella bands. Pick one of them.

Ivan Cornejo. Lavender Brown. That's Harry Potter. Jimmy Eat World. Oh yeah, they're there. We didn't mention them. Yeah. I only know that one song, the middle, but it's a great song.

I think I'm kind of in that lane. Everybody knows that song. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, do they have other songs? They were big when I was growing up, but I never got too into them. But yeah, that one song is like super famous. It just takes some time. Little girl, you're in the middle of the right.

Yeah. What are they doing for the other 30 minutes of that Coachella set? I mean, there's people that love Jimmy Eat World. Like my generation, there'll be a bunch of 40-year-olds like rocking out. People like Jimmy. Don't touch Jimmy. Jimmy Eat World. Remember the Seinfeld guy?

Jimmy who speaks in third person. He has the jump shoes. Do you remember the jump shoes? I had those growing up. D.K., those were like out of style by the time we were born. Oh my God. It's like I had the original pumps. That's how old.

Yeah. Don't touch Jimmy. Is there anything more benign? Jimmy's really digging Elaine. Is there anything more benign that like a person could do in your life that would be more concerning than starting to talk in the third person? Yeah. Like a more harmless, meaningless thing that like would bother you more?

How quickly would you guys stop me if at the top of the pod today you're like, Craig, who was your winner of the day? And I was like, Craig's winner of the day was the Steelers. Five seconds. Yeah. I could. I couldn't. I could not abide it.

Wouldn't allow it. Email us at ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com. If you or anyone you know talks to the third person. And if you do it, tell us why. And if your friends do it, tell us what happened. Looking! Is there a satchez. Okay, when you said pre-sentenip in a yay?

Does it feel at all like maybe he jumped? He jumped the shark on that call? Like, no. It was just like a little too far. No. What? He's the only person on this earth truly living in the moment.

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