The Ringer NFL Show - Week 13 Recap: MVP Tyreek, CFP Arguments, and Perfect Purdy

Episode Date: December 4, 2023

The guys recap NFL Week 13, starting with the Packers' big win against the Chiefs. They also talk about Tyreek Hill’s MVP case, the 49ers' buzz saw, and the Lions' fantasy dominance. They even get into the College Football Playoff discussion. Then, they add a new name to the Fantasy Burn Book. Check out our Fantasy Football Rankings for this week’s positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail] Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Wild. We ought to get to, honestly, the biggest thing that happened to the most probably called the football playoff. We're going to get to that in a few seconds. But, not seconds, but Chiefs Packers just happened. I'm torn. So the Packers ended up winning the game. And I feel like the main thing by the end

The Packers won 2719 Over the Chiefs and Franklin Jordan Love played fantastic and so I feel like we have to talk about the refereeing at the end but the Packers won so I kind of don't care that much but the refereeing was at the end and DKU hate referees so this must have been your Super Bowl Well so what we'll call

paste you off the most let's go through them because I think the one where they got called for roughing or whatever it was it unnecessary roughness when Patrick Bohem was kind of like at the sideline right by the first down marker and like was inbound. He got to hit in bounds

trying to get a first down and it was a flag. By a defender who was like terrified to hit him and trying to lead away while running at him. It didn't seem like there was a flag for like

three seconds. And for a moment, I was like, wow, they finally got one right. And then, of course, a flag followed.

The delay was like the key and peel three pumps where they were like looking and they were like, ah, ah, and I was like, oh, the refs, that's their one terrible call per drive.

And then the MBS non-call, clear PI. He like, climbed him like he was a ladder. Immediately usurped the shitty Mahomes sideline call. Craig. They would have won the game. You played pickup basketball with me and all I'll say is I had no problem with the

non-call and Mvvests. That's great coverage. That's right out of the high fit school of defense. Yeah. What about on the Hail Mary with the two-hand push to the back on Travis Kelsey? Literally they were trying to make it a thing and they forced it. I don't give a shit about the PI. I actually thought the whole thing is over one.

That doesn't really get called usually. It doesn't. Those types of plays. Yeah. There's a problem. in basketball and football with the last play of the game just doesn't resemble the sport and it sucks.

In basketball, if there's three seconds left and you put up a three, like anything goes in the paint when you're rebounding. Like you could stab a guy in the back and get the rebound with five seconds left they're not going to call it. Same thing with a Hill Mary. Like Travis Kelsey was assaulted and you're never going to get that call.

It doesn't resemble football at all. No, it's sure, I guess. I don't know what the solution is. I don't, you know what the actual question is because they don't treat it that way if it's at like the two yard line. Like, we just saw the Giants Mills game. Like, the question is, what points in a Hail Mary?

You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like, I was thinking that exact same thing, Hyphen. It's like, where is it like, the no-call zone? Like, what is the no-call yard line?

Can you show Travis Kelsey with two hands in the back and everyone's like, yeah, great call, great play? I think it's if you can see the end zone in the original static shot, like when they're on Mahomes about to take the snap. If you can see the end zone,

they're calling, they're calling fouls. 20 yard line, 25, line? Maybe it's the red zone. I think you're probably right. But I don't want to waste time to tell with the refs because I think that the Packers won and who cares? What mattered in this game is

Jordan Love and the Packers were fantastic. This was as, you know, I hate, Craig, I'll meet you halfway. I'm going to take the W on Jordan Love being good and I'm going to, but I'm going to give you the W and this was his debutante maturing night for Jordan Love and the Packers offense. Coming of age. They come, they all came age tonight in Grebe.

Yeah, they did. I think you get credit I mean you hopped off the bandwagon in the middle of the season I was just getting I was getting gatorated

at the gas station I was just like I had it for a month well I mean don't judge man because love because love started the season

with six touchdowns no picks in this first two games and Hyford's is like I told you so and then it got real dark for about a month and a half

and now his last three games he's been incredible they've won four of their last five and he legitimately looks like a quarterback who can do everything I mean, he really looks like mobile, accurate, strong arm.

He's aggressive, but not too reckless. They look really good. And they're not even really healthy. We always give the Steelers credit for always being able to draft receivers. The Packers just fixed their entire receiving room. Packers are very good at this. They went a decade and we're like, oh, they don't draft the Packers receivers in the first round. When they get Rogers won it.

It's like, well, if they just wanted, they literally, like, the Packers' best receivers are Jade and Reed, a second round rookie. and then like there's d'ontavian wicks a sixth-round rookie and then Christian Watson's like the three I guess he got hurt tonight but he's been playing great and then like they just have all these guys who are fantastic Roman Dobbs even Malik Heath is out there making plays they had Tucker Crafts a second tight end at there making plays and love again Collinsworth had the same thing but it's like

I'm not saying love is like Aaron Rogers but like he clearly just spent three years like watching Aaron Rogers like I love the shot they had of Jordan throwing with no feet touching the ground because it's just the... Literally the only people do that are far as well. He's just emulating. He has like the emulated look to him.

It's like how you copy someone's swing when you're growing up like your favorite baseball player. Your older brother? Yeah. DK, were you with Ken Griffey? Was that your swing? It was like Ken Griffey when I was growing up and then, you know, during my

college or high school and college years, it was like Ichero. Dude, I love the Gary Sheffield Waggle with the band. Email to ring and fantasy Football at Gmail.com What baseball player

that you just like had related this way. I was going to say with the Packers though just watching them they are very aesthetically pleasing offense to watch. I don't know what it

ended up looking like at the end of the game but I know that at some point during the third quarter I saw a tweet that there had been zero pressure zero pressures on George Love

throughout the game to that point and it was like because they do such a great job of mixing run with play action these deep drops and getting Jordan Love out on the move.

To me, it's just like, it's sort of like poetry and motion the way that they like do misdirection. They have him booting out. His actual throwing motion is very like aesthetically pleasing. He just kind of like winds up and whips it downfield. I don't know, for whatever reason,

I enjoy watching this offense. And they're just like very smooth and everything they do. This is the, no one on the Packers offense remembers imbop. Like Mbop, sorry. Mbop. Mbop.

Mbop. Mbop. I bet none of it. I bet none of them know it either. You didn't either. Well, I would be the oldest player in the team. This is my point. A.J. Dillon said he felt there was a report.

I forget who was saying it on the sideline that reported that A.J. Dillon says he feels old. He's 25. He's like, I feel old. He's 25. They're actually going to be the oldest, the youngest offense in the NFL history. Well, and this team's going to make the playoffs. They're six and six.

Here are the remaining four games. They play the Giants, the Bucks, the Panthers, and the Vikings. This team's going to probably finish the year on a seven-game winning streak. I would bet. And honestly, like, I'm happy about that. I think. I mean, obviously, as a Seahawks fan, they might kick my team out. But like, I want to see good teams going in. And I actually think they are pretty good. They're pretty balanced. Like I said, the offense is really fun to watch. You know, I don't know. I feel like that would be fine to make, have them make the playoffs. Guys, I have good news. I just figured out the single funniest thing that could happen in the NFL

this year. What's that? The Packers are going to beat the Cowboys in the playoffs. Like, Mike McCarthy basically got the Cowboys job because him, and Aaron Rogers just kept beating the Cowboys. And how funny would it be if the new Packers coach and then Aaron Rogers leaves and then Jordan Love just beats Mike McCarthy in the Cowboys in the playoffs? Based on how things are going

for McCarthy in the playoffs, that kind of checks out. I feel like that's not as bad as it could get. I feel like another loss of the Niners is probably the all-time low for McCarthy. Well, speaking of the NFC, the NFC is that the 49ers absolutely rocked the Eagles. The Niners won 42 to 15.

I mean, think about it. about how much we have talked and, I mean, for a while, discounted the Cowboys because they were just dismantled by the Niners for the second time this in 2023. But at the end of the game, the Niners did the same thing to the Eagles. Like, D.K., you've been using the word buzzsaw for the Niners in three months. And that was all I could think about today was the diners just. Absolute freaking buzzsaw. If you look at their possessions, so the diners started out with two punts to start the game, two punts in the first quarter, the rest of the possessions they had throughout the rest of the game. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,

touchdown, end of game. Like, they just freaking, it was insane how, like, dominant they were. Everything they did, it was, like, the old Shanahan meme, I think especially, I think Stephen Ruiz shares this as like, Shanahan looking into telescope, he's like, this is who I'm going to pick on. And the 49ers just absolutely picked on the middle of the field. It was like, I made the joke during the game, like, was it the, was it the eagle? linebackers that got ejected or I can't remember how this all work because there was like no one

there were no defenders at the middle of the field for the Eagles like the entire game like Debo Samuel had multiple like really big plays just right down the middle. Big Dom, Big Dom was their middle linebacker. And then he got ejected. As soon as Big Dom left the field,

the Eagles couldn't do any, couldn't tackle Debo at all. I want to say real quick before we talk about that thing. The 49ers, they averaged eight yards per play. They were eight of 11 on third down. Brock Purdy was, 19 or 27 for 314 yards and four touchdowns, like almost perfect.

And I mean, again, it's just like the way that they win is they have so many ways to be. Chris McCaffrey, Debo, Ayuk, Kittle. Like, Juan Jennings is an automatic first down every time he gets targeted on third downs, I feel like. So anyways, this is just a really, really freaking good team. And you guys were right. They were definitely going to win this game. I think they are clearly the best team in the NFL. And I think the rest of the NFL, there's a lot of the NFL.

there's a ton of parity, but I think there's a massive gap between two and one. And the Niners are just operating at a higher level right now. And Purdy, dude, I mean, how many times this season have we come into, you know, recorded a show after a Niners game where they destroy some team and we go, man, Pretty was pretty much perfect tonight. He's had like six games where he was pretty much perfect. Legitimately, he's like Florida State and we'll get to this in the next segment. But like he's like undefeated elite stats.

Everything points to him like, you know, being an. MVP contention, but nobody will give it to him. And I'm not even saying he deserves it. I don't like passer rating as a stat. It's pretty stupid, but this one caught me eye. Brock Purdy has four games with three touchdown passes and a passer rating of 140 or higher, which is tied for the most games by a quarterback in a single season in off history with Tom Brady in 2007, which, you know, that's the 16-0, 2007, or Aaron Rogers in 2011, which is actually one of the, maybe the only season of quarterbacks had that's, like,

better than Tom Brady. Like those are the two best quarterback seasons ever. Both MVP's, right? They were both MVP's. That was Rogers. The best year of his career was 2011. And that best year of Tom Brady's career. Purdy has like more games with 300 yards,

three touchdowns, and no picks than he doesn't. I think, yeah. I think the thing with Purdy, I'm of two minds with Purdy. And I fully admit to going back and forth between them. And on one hand, I look at Purdy and I'm like, he is, you know, he's a distributor in this like, insane offense. And I will say, I actually think to Shanhan,

we always say, Kyle Shannon, you know, puts guys in space. And I was thinking about this game, and I was thinking about what you're saying, DK with the linebackers? And I'm like, Shannon, similar to Belichick, like, what's Belichick?

Like, what do they do best? Take that away. Shanahan's like the offensive version of that is, what are you worst at? And we always talk about Shannon puts players in space. And I'm like, we don't talk enough about how the play, we always say like, oh, the players he has are like, these incredible athletes that are hard to tackle.

But we never talk about is what he, hey, put Debo and Kittle in space. he puts, Shanhan puts Debo in space around the people who are bad at tackling, which I feel like we never like talk about enough because what is the Shanahan thing? It started as outside zone with Mike Shanahan. Like this is the late 80s, the 90s with Bill Walsh or the Niners. The reason outside zone exists, the actual reason that Alex Gibbs and Shannon created it or made a thing was to make cornerbacks tackle because cornerbacks are bad at tackling. And outside zone is this whole philosophy system that was invented just to make cornerbacks.

backs tackle running backs because they bet that you can't do that. And that Shannon has kind of extended that philosophy of the passing game of just throw it seven yards downfield to Debo next to the worst guy tackling on the Eagles and like, voila, he runs eight. And like, Debo was in, and I'm like, I watched this game and I'm like, is Debo the MVP of this team or is it Brock Purdy? And that's the one mind. The flip side is, what if Trey Lance and to your point, Craig, the other thing I say is,

what if Trey Lance was doing this? And we just, I'm just still anchored to him be the last party being the last pick. And I'm like, what if Trey Lance was Brock Bertie, would we be saying he's the MVP? And I wouldn't think anything. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I know. It's very true.

This team is the most balanced egalitarian team that I can remember in a long time where I, you could truly make the argument to me that Christian McCaffrey is the MVP. Brock Purdy is the MVP. Trent Williams is the MVP. That's true. Also, Jalen Hertz is the favorite for MVP. And I have to say, I think the other thing I was thinking of this game is, what if like Brock Bertie was on the Eagles?

And I was like, dude, the second Marcus Mariotta came and came in for that one play when Hertz was getting evaluated for concussion. And Mariota converted that tush push. And he got it by like a millimeter. They just started the ball wrong. Didn't look like he got it. But if Mariota got that tush push and stayed in the game, I remember thinking, Jalen Hertz can not win MVP if Mario can also do the tush push. Like he can't, like we have to. Come on.

Hertz has the same. Have you seen Mario to play? Like, Hertz is infinitely better. That's my point, dude. He elevates that offense so much more than Mario ever would. It's not just the tush push. It's the whole thing, whatever. It's absolutely fucking not just the tush push.

That's bullshit. I didn't say it's just the tush push. I'm saying Hertz would never be like, Hertz is plus 250 to win the MVP, which is crazy to me still. And that he would not be plus two, he would not be the favorite, if not for the tush push.

If Mario had got one, not one. I was saying if he already got like three, then like, no, Jail Woods can't be MVP. It's the purdy logic, but I don't know. How many fucking rushing touchdown?

is Jalen Hertz scored in last three years. Like, give me a break. Come on a game. Yeah. Mario, Mario is good to do that. I have to do a male couple to Craig because Craig three weeks,

I don't remember when I can't keep track of time, said, is Dak an MVP? And I was like, that's a fucking hot take. And three weeks later, I'm like, next week, we'll find out. Yeah, dude, if Dak is, Dak is, I remember Jonathan Sharks, or former colleague here at the ring who's since past,

we always talked about whether Dak could, be an elite quarterback. And I remember, like, this week, that Seahawks game. Sorry, DK. But the Cowboys offense, the way they went up and down the Seahawks, I remember thinking, like, he did it. Like, Dak is, I mean, it's hard to, like, put,

without sounding hyperbolic, Dak is playing quarterback. He did what everybody said he couldn't do. He, like, finally had the fourth, like, he finally actually came back on a good team, had a fourth-crow drive, scored. But they play next week. Dallas plays Philadelphia in Dallas Sunday night.

And it really feels like the winner of that game. Game of the year. It is the game of the year. And I've also because Wow. We got to talk about, I mean, the big football news

of the day here, which is the big, the great big Dom incident of 2023. What's the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life? The quick synopsis here is, I almost feel like telling it in order is almost like doing it in injustice

because everyone just found it out backward. Like no one knew what was happening first. It was just, there's just a giant security guy behind Nick Siriani at all times. And frankly, I also realized during, Nick Siriani's just cousin from the bear.

Like Siriano's just Rishi from the bear. And he just has this giant Dom Italian security guy behind him at all times. It's like Robin Big. Dude. And like, so Drey Greenland went to punch him or point whatever. And then Big Dom, how did the Giants and Tommy DeVito not even be the most Italian person in the Ns East this year?

Big Dom. Everybody immediately apparently knows who Big Dom is. Like within about half a second, everyone on Twitter was like, Dom this and Dom that. Like, who the fuck is this Dom guy? Dude, Big Dom. He is beloved in the city of Philadelphia, I suppose. This is the most Philly thing of all time, I swear to him.

Dom Desandro. Big Dom. So what happened? Massive. So for people that didn't see, Drake Greenlaw hit somebody either close to out of bounds or out of bounds. And then they started getting each other's famous. He's suplex.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay, yeah. And it was a flag. He stood up. Everybody was getting fiery. And then he and Dom, Big Dom, kind of, got face to face and we're chit-chatting after Dre and Devante Smith had kind of been separated. And it looked like Drake Greenlaw was just pointing at Devante Smith and his hand kind of hit Big Dom's face.

Dude, I don't, it's pretty easy to hit. That way, Great Lee La was aiming for Big Dom. No. I don't think so. Craig, dude, I will, I just sent you both. I don't think he was punching Big Dom. He booped him. He boops him.

He boops it. Yes. He boops him on the nose. Don't boop one another. All right, they either punch or they don't punch. He was definitely aiming for big dog. If he missed. His finger, he had the index finger out.

He was pointing. Yeah, he booped him. He wasn't booping like a, you boop a golden retriever. Like the three students. He's like, Drake, your in-law boops the head of security. I think it was arguably incidental. Arguably incidental.

I think, hey, actually will say, first of all, I don't think he was aiming for someone else. I will say he probably accidentally actually made contact. I will say that maybe, within the realm of possibility that he'd like accidentally actually touched him. But if you look at, if you watch it, or at least like based on what I saw, Big Dom gets in between him and then they start chirping at each other. And like John Jack.

Greenlaw just goes like right on like right in his face. So you're that you're landing on boop. You think he booped him. That's where you're. It was like it was like a, it was not a punch. Certainly not a punch. No. Look, nobody would ever dare punch Big Dom.

So there's no way he was punching him. We're looking at this like this is a pruder film. I was like, this is almost. better. This Eagles, no, I know this is the game of the year. I'm like, this is better than the game of the year. I will say, though, I'm wondering if there was like a second booper. You know what I mean? I don't know what you think. It's just like a hand came out of nowhere. Yeah. What do you guys take? What's your take on like, because 49ers fans are like, this guy should not even be on the sideline. Like, get him the fuck out of here. Why is he there? My take is sort of

like, Greenlaw's on the Eagle sideline. Like, you came into our house. Like, what are you doing over here. You know what I mean? Like, I understand he's not like technically a piece of, like a part of the coaching staff, but he's on their staff. Like he has a right to be on that sideline, right? Can I vent? Here's what I think happened. And I know that a lot of Ninersians listened and I'm just going to like, I'm just giving you some unvarnished honesty and you can do what you want with it.

Whatever they won. They can. Yeah, exactly. It's like, they're fine. What happened was like, he kind of like, Big Dom kind of lightly was like, hey, Drey Greenlaw, can you stop yelling at the coach in Devonci's sure, please? And then Drey Greenlaw was like, oh, no, touch you. And they booped him by accident. And then like, eject him. And then Kyle Shanahan just screamed at the refs with like baines in his forehead till he got Big Dom ejected. But then after the game, it bothered me so much. Big Dom was waiting from the parking lot. All the Niners players after the game were like, look, man, that guy doesn't even play football. I don't even know he's there. And they're just like,

Juan Jenny. He's just like, yeah, you know, I didn't see what happened. I don't know what problem that guy has at Drake Green Lawn. Shanahan's like, yeah, I don't want to get in trouble, you know. I didn't see video of it. So I have to hold judgment. I'm like, do you, Kyle? All I saw was you screaming about what Calh Shannon said he had just been told what had happened. By who? No one was there. It was just Drey Greenlaw. I'm like, Big Dom is, he's the body man for Nick Seriani.

Like, this is an insane thing. Like, of course he's next to Nick Seri. It was hilarious. We can't lose sight of the fact it was hilarious. Everything about it was funny. I knew teams had heads of security. I didn't know they were just like on the sideline, just hanging out. Dude, there's a full entourage of randos on the sidelines of NFL games, I feel like.

There's more variety than I thought, because I'm used to the show. I'm going to get back guys and the college football coaches who are like, I am a captive of industry. And like, psychology coaches and like random trainers and who does? But I get all that. I just didn't know there was just like a big Italian security guard just kind of roaming the sideline. I like, I like the exteriority is like I need a leash like I'm six and like, you know what I mean? Like a kid's walking on the sidewalk. Also, just like imagine interviewing to be the security guard for an end.

FFEL team. Like, you gotta be at the top of the game. He's not a guard. He's the head of security. Sure. Even better. Well, but he also is a guard. Like, he's kind of down in the combat zone. He's in the muck. Yeah. He leads from the front. He leads from the front. He's a player coach, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I swear to God what I would do for Big Dom to be like, do the coin toss at half time for the, you know, like, overtime, they don't even send the real captains out. They just send, just send Big Dom out. Dude, I would love like, we need to keep going in this whole security guard universe. I want all of the heads of security from each team, like in a house over the summer reality show. I want all of it. Like the Heisman house, but it's just like, yeah, it's just NFL

security house. I'm into that. Email so ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com. If you have an idea, a reality show for Big Dom. Or if you work in reality TV, just, you know, talk. Is Big Tom? Big Dom's going to get banished from the sidelines, I feel like. Serious question. Actually, I have a serious question. Give it 24 hours for this all to go tomorrow. How many baseball players going to be more famous than Big Dom by the end of like tomorrow. Like four? Legitimately like four. Seven?

Yeah. I mean, he might already be. How many active baseball players? It might just be him and Otani. Aaron Judge, maybe. All right. Trout? This guy, Trout.

Maybe. Nah. Fish? All right. I never done this before, but we're just going to totally pivot just to college football, which honestly is probably more interesting than anything happened outside of the big domness of the day. So college football playing.

Off absolute insane weekend for college football. And it kind of broke for like the perfect storm of just pure chaos out of everything. If you're not, you don't know the deal. So basically the four teams make the college football playoff and the playoff committee chose Michigan as number one, Washington for number two, Texas three. And then four was between Bama and Florida State. And they chose Bama, which is like a huge controversy long story short because Bama, it's just like, it's.

Bama is the SEC champ and has one loss. And then Texas is the Big 12 champion has one loss. But Texas beat Bama, so Texas gets in. So I don't really want to hear the argument that Texas shouldn't make it. It's crazy to me. But Bama is, I mean, lost a game and also almost lost a bunch of games very recently. And then Florida State is undefeated and won the ACC, which is a Power 5 conference. But basically the committee was like skirted out and been like, well, your quarterback's hurt.

and your back of quarterback's hurt. So you seem bad. And there's all this other stuff we can get to like, how dynamic goes football? But like, I'm curious. They basically were like, if you guys make it, you're going to get killed anyway. Yeah.

They're not in. They're like, they feel responsible, I think, for having the games be most competitive. Like, isn't that the bottom line? But they, but I get, I don't know. I think how do you feel about the quarterback? Like, is it weird to penalize a team for an injury when they, they didn't lose with the bat third string quarterback?

They won. They won the ACC title game. It's weird. I have mixed feelings about all this. The whole thing is weird. I honestly don't really know where to land on it. I think ultimately it is a fact of life in football at most levels, every level. Certainly college football and the NFL.

Like, the quarterback is by far the most important player. I mean, this is like a rematch of what we're just talking about, the 49ers Eagles. Last year, the 49ers lost their quarterback, and they got fucking annihilated. And I think college football didn't want. a situation like that where it's like a non-competitive game. Can I actually argue the exact opposite, which is that the Niners lost the game. Of course. I wouldn't have it any other way, Highfits.

But the Niners lost the game because they lost both quarterbacks and they had none because Brock Purdy, his arm didn't work so he could only hand the ball off because Josh Johnson is concussed. But the actual argument is if we had known that Brock Purdy would be coming in in relief of Jimmy Garoppolo and then he will, he's the last pick in the draft. Why not put the Niners in it? Turned out he was better. I don't know.

It's like the third string freshman is going to have a month to prepare for the game. You could go, yeah, and of course you can like use the argument, like, oh, the Eagles won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles when Carson Wentz went down. Like, there's, I feel like there's going to be an argument for, for everything, for both sides in this, and there is no good solution. Like, that's my take is like, this is a complete fucking mess. I think they made, like, ultimately, I do think they made the right choice, though. I think college football just has always been messy to me and it continues to get messier. And maybe when there's the 12th team playoff next year, it'll be better. But Austin Gale, who worked at the ringer with us, tweeted something that I thought

was very interesting. He asked the question. He basically said, if in the Pact 12 championship between Washington and Oregon, if Michael Pennix, the quarterback for Washington, suffered a season ending injury on the last play of the game, should Washington be removed from the college football playoff now? Of course not. Of course. Of course not? Wait, Dika, do you think yes? Well, isn't that exactly what they're doing with Florida State? Well, not exactly because they played Florida State quarterback got hurt like four weeks ago and they haven't been as good with the second backup but then the first backup just got hurt

and now they have a second backup. But it's like kind of the same thing, but not really. I'm of two minds because like is the product going to be better for the playoffs? Yes. Unequivocally. Did Florida State get fucked?

Yes. And is it fair? No. That was, yeah, that was my argument too. It was like, this is not fair.

This is not fair. But also like, that's fucking life, you know? All's life. life sucks. But dude, all is life and life sucks.

I agree the four best teams are in it right now, but I'm still like, this team went undefeated in a Power 5 conference and didn't get in. And you're like, so... Well, that's the... Then it gets to the other thing of... I think that it's half about Florida State.

The other half it's Power 5. Then I think about Game of Thrones. The ACC just got relegated, live and in front of us. So that's thing, that's the thing. Power 5, it's power 2. Like, the Power 5, power is power. Like, you're not powerful anymore.

And that's kind of what this is also about. Like, we just saw UCF go undefeated, be ranked 12th at the end, go undefeated again. And they got ranked like seventh or whatever. And then, well, that's because they're in the AAC. And half this is really the ACC this year was treated like the AAC. And like, you know what I mean? How many times is Boise State go undefeated? And like, no one wanted to give them a shot.

And it's like, well, could they're back. Mountain West. What this really is about Roger Sherman wrote this incredible article that all the pro sports in America started super differently, like baseball, football, basketball, hockey, completely different origin stories. They all ended up the same freaking thing. 30 or so teams in 30 or so cities with two conferences and they negotiate the TV rights together.

And like college football just became a pro sport. The athletes get paid now. And then there's two conferences with 30-ish teams and 30-ish cities and everyone else is just kind of going to be there. And like that's what this is. And it's not like, because the Florida state is like, oh, they move the goalposts on like who gets in or what, what is the criteria? Like, no, they move the goalposts on who is the criteria.

You are the people that when there's like a margin call, you don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. Because if Bama had the same thing, Bama gets to go in. But it's like, yeah, sucks to suck. And meanwhile, two weeks ago, Bama won on a Hail Mary against Auburn, who was like 6 and 6. And if they didn't catch that ball, they're out. The other thing I was going to say is like,

Bama is also benefiting dramatically from recency bias. They just beat Georgia, who was the number one team before, like, a couple days ago. You know what I mean? And they're the back-to-back champs. And they're out. But they lost the game. And then they lost the game to Bama. I know, I know.

I'm just saying it's like the whole thing's a fucking mess. Well, and it's like, so four teams make the playoffs. There's five power conferences. So every year it's really like four conferences get in and one doesn't. That's how it works. But that's not really how it is. It really is a big 12, a big 10, and an SEC team are guaranteed a spot. And then the rest is up for grabs.

It's really like three conferences are guaranteed. The other two. and then like the second team in those power three conferences, like then it's all up for grabs. But it's really just to me, three conferences are guaranteed for like at large bids and then we'll see what happens after. They are the best teams.

And to the thing, I think the important part, this was a hard decision because the other thing, the nine other years they made the college football, the four teams, they had only ever dealt with one undefeated conference champion. Like there had always ever been one team that had no losses and won their title.

This year there were three teams. It was a great year. Yeah, like it was just like it was just a really, there were five teams that deserve six if you include Georgia. Washington went undefeated for crying out loud. Like that's wild. This is the best Washington team we've seen since like the early 90s. And also like programming wise, let's, and that's the flip side. It's like, dude, New Year's Day is now Michigan, Alabama and then Texas Washington.

And if Texas wins that game, you're going to have Texas versus Bama or Michigan. Texas versus Bama for the title or Texas versus the Jim Harbaugh undefeated Michigan Wolverines after the Harbaugh year for a title. And like, honestly, that's good television. And that's also. Did you, did you guys see the, they televised? We're all sucker for ratings. Sorry, Florida State.

Love that number. Love that money. Well, did you see the reaction that Michigan had when they, it was announced? Uh, because that their opponent was going to be Alabama. They're like, oh, fuck. That's, that's not as easy. Well, did you see the spread? I think Georgia's like 14 point favorites over Florida State.

Did you imagine a Florida State beats Georgia, though? Oh my God. I mean, it sucks. Did you see the quarterback for Florida State tweeted? He was like, I wish I got hurt earlier. So my team, like, could play without me for long enough where they'd accept us into the playoffs. The whole thing, I mean, honestly,

that was like my thought the whole time we were talking about this is just this sucks for the players in particular because like the Florida State players did everything they were supposed to do with everything they're asked to do. They won every single game they played. That's the thing I keep coming back to is like, from if you just think about it for a player they're like but we won all the games but we won

every fucking game this year yeah and they're like but we want it's that I will also we could just end on this which I actually forgot what was going to say right that's that's the way to end it honestly that that's like the vibe that Florida

State is feeling right now just like well I don't really know what to say oh the dude the Mets the whole time was the Florida State I was just thinking with the Mets Colin. The Terry goes out, you gotta give us a shot!

You gotta give us a shot! My ass is in the jackbody of Terry! You gotta give us a shot! DK doesn't know this video. What the fucking is fantastic. You don't know this? It's the Mets manager from like five years ago. Chase Utley went spikes up on

who's, I don't remember, one of the Mets players. And Chase Utley, in the playoffs, spiked and ended someone's season for the Mets. And then they wanted to throw a ball, like hit Bean Chase Utley. And then the umps were like, we're going to like, you cannot beat Chase Soutley right now. And he's like, you gotta give us a shot.

You gotta give us a shot. You know what? You gotta give us a shot. My asses in the checkpot, Terry. All right. Anyway, dolphins kick the crap out of the commanders. Back to the NFL where things make sense. Yeah.

This is the only thing that made sense all day, honestly, is the dolphins beat the commanders by like 30 points. and didn't feel like enough. Tyree Kill every other week, Tyree Kill's speed is exactly properly rated, which every time I see Tyree Kill catch a pass and pull away from NFL at defenders, like defensive backs were the fastest people on Earth.

And Tyrant Kill just makes it look like a high school video. I'm just like this guy is the best player. Like, D.K. Quarterbacks aside, no quarterbacks. Tyre Kills is the best player in the NFL, right? Yeah, I mean, he's certainly, I think he's the most impactful skill player or non-quarterback player in the NFL. I think that's why he has a legitimate, like, claim for the MVP. I don't know if he's going to get it.

I don't know if anyone will actually give a receiver an MVP board anymore. But, like, you know, we've talked about this a million times. The gravity he creates, the field tilting ability to make the defense just all suck into him. And then obviously, then it opens up things for everyone else on the field. It opens up things for the run game, which is an amazing run game. And just his ability to score any time he touches the football. Like, he had a 70-yard touchdown and then another big touchdown. later. I can't even remember how long it was.

But yeah, I mean, and also, by the way, he's on track to have 2,000 yards, which I think could help with the narrative, the MVP narrative. He really is Steph Curry. And it's not any quarterback. It's Tyreek. Because there's a, there's like a helplessness that I feel like the defense, endures during the game. Great way it's putting in it. It's like that, it's Steph three against the thunder. And I think it's Enis Cantor on the sidelines on the bench. Steph shoots like a 40-footer to end the game to win. And as he should, it's like, shooting. Enos canters on the bench and he just throws his hands up, but he's like,

I'm fucking doing it. Before it even goes in. And it's like the same thing. Tyree care, or Tua throws the ball. It's like halfway in the air and I see Tyreek. And I'm like, God damn it. These teams, basketball teams prepare for Steph Curry. They design their entire defense run. All right, how are we going to stop, Steph Curry? And yet he still manages to go six for 12 from three in a game. I do not understand how Tyreek Hill, who's 29 years old. He's been in the league for like nine years. Everybody knows exactly who he is. It's week 13, he's not paced for 2,000 yards. No matter what, nobody can stop him.

Always open. The entire game plan, I imagine the whole week is like, how are we going to limit Tyree Kill? Nobody can. Every single week. Craig, MVP, Brock Purdy or Tyree? Jaylorke. Rankham. Tyree. To me, it's Dak and then Tyreek right now. Nah, it's probably Jaylon Hertz. Even JJ Watt tweeted earlier this year. The Texans were like, oh, JJ Watt was the real MVP in whatever year. And J.J. Watt, like, quote, tweeted the Texans and was like,

Yeah, it's not really possible given the structure of the sport for anyone other than the quarterback to be the MVP. But thank you. And like, that was like two months ago. That was like during the season. And I was like, that's 100% true. And I'm like, actually, I think this is the only season in my entire life where you can give it. Like, if there was ever going to be like another like Adrian Peterson year where your quarterback didn't get it, I still think a quarterback should get it. But this, this season is the first one where I look at Tyree Kill and I look at the Dolphins offense.

And I'm like, you could convince me. I always think it's hard to give an MVP to somebody. Like, Jalen Hertz, it's weird to give an MVP to somebody who is having a worse season than the one prior. Right. It's awkward. You know, it's like when you say goodbye to someone and keep walking with them on the sidewalk and you're the same direction. No, it's like giving the, it's like giving the Oscar to the third Lord of the Rings movie when it wasn't even the best one, in my opinion. The three buildings, right?

The return of the president. The return of the guy. They add the third building. Return of the dude. The return of the leader guy. It's weird this year because there's so much parody across the league. Everyone has basically three or four losses who's at the top of the playoff seating, except, but the Niners are probably the best team.

And yet they have the one quarterback who you can't really give the MVP to. So to me, it's like, it probably is just Tyree kill this year. It's DeCaprio getting in the Oscar for the Revenant, which no one's thought about since he made it. I know. Very true. It was a career achievement. It was like, all right, we got to do this by now. Get it over with.

Yeah. He's deserved it like four other times, and we'll finally give it to him now. But sticking in this game, so the Dolphins, DK, the Dolphins scored 45 points. I know where this is going. And Jaylen Waddle.

I hate you already. Had five catches for 52 yards and no touchdowns. I thought this, this started out me just pushing back on high fits, and now I'm like dying on a hill. I don't even want to die on. So, I'm getting up on the Waddle thing.

You can have him. You can tell, Waddle sucks. I'm calling it box. score blue balls where if you were out at lunch or Christmas shopping, you come home and you check the box score. And you have Jalen Waddle on your family's team. You go, nice. 45 to 15. They beat Washington. Oh, my God. And you check in Jalen Wattle as seven points. And Tyree Kale is 32. And you're like, this happens every single week. He's literally Cal Norton. Yeah, I was going to say, if I finish, if you win, how am I going to win? Oh, right. Group today, I'm like,

oh, Jalen Waddle dropped a wide open pass and DK's like, it's raining, Craig. And I'm like, well, it doesn't seem to affect Tyree Kill. No, I was like, what I really said was leave Waddle alone. Like, you know the Britney Sparrow's meme? You leave Waddle alone, Craig. It's rainy. He's had more than seven points once in the last month.

Craig, he had a big play, all right? He did his part. No, you're probably right. I honestly, like, this whole bit started just because Hyphitz was shitting on him. And I was like, he's fine. And then now it's like, okay, maybe he's not so great, actually.

It is one of those things that were, like, I have them on my teams and I start him every week, and it's just like an automatic start. I actually think that's exactly the problem is that you can't bench Jalen Waddle, but like you probably should. Like he's not as good as Ray.

You said about Cooper Cup, Craig. You can't bench him, but you probably should. Yes. We should make a whole category of guys. You cannot bench this. Don't even fucking think about it. They won't score that many points.

Just take your hand off the fucking dial. Don't bench him. But maybe you probably should. Maybe you should do it. Maybe someone else do it for you. Oh my God. Can we talk about something better about the dolphins that I feel very good about? And the fact that Devon A. Chan is back, baby.

And he's like back back. He was eating today as Craig tweet. I think you texted us like three times. A. Chan is eating out there. Garbage time, boy. I hope not. He's like 180 pounds. I don't want to put on any weight. He is, as of now, the RB3 on the week,

73 yards and two touchdowns. What I love about him so much, I think, is that he can do all this on, like, limited touches. 17 touches. Like, that's doable. 20. 20 with catches. Oh, right. Sorry.

We had an intense text argument today, Craig, about whether H.N should have been in the game up scores. And I... Are you telling me or are you telling the audience? I was participating. I was there. I'm telling the audience. No.

Well, you were like, we had an intense argument, Craig. I was like, no, I know. I said, Craig and I had, whatever. The point is I was like, H.N. needs, like, he's played like, he got like, like, 39 carries entered the day in the NFL. Like, he needs reps. And then I thought about it more. And I was like, yeah, McDaniel probably just hates Washington and just really wanted to run up the score.

Oh, I didn't even think of that. Dude, he definitely just hates Washington. Yeah, yeah. H.N. was like, he had like eight touches going into the final drive. and then they gave him 10 carries up 30 or up 25 with four minutes left. And they just rode him down the field and then he scored. And I'm like, look, I know you're trying to get him wraps, whatever. But like, this guy is so important to your team.

You're so much better with him on the field. Like, he just missed the last six weeks with him the injury. You need to give him 10 carries in one drive. In the rain, in the slippery, on the slippery turf. Well, I mean, to be fair, the Washington field is famously of an excellent quality. It's never heard. I will say, I was like, oh, you need his reps. I was like, no, McDaniel wants points.

That's definitely what happened. Well, it's like thinking if he'd been like a slow starter, kind of like remember how Jemir Gibbs can start slow. And there was a few games there. He wasn't on the field. Yeah, it was like very upsetting. And he just looked a little like rusty or whatever the case is. Now he's just like absolutely going nuclear.

But like A-chan from the minute he touched the field was like incredible. Obviously, this guy knows what he's doing. He's a perfect fit for this offense. If you look at, I actually saw this tweet from Dante Koppelowitz Fleming. He's played five snaps plus in four games this year. That's kind of wild, actually. That's only been the case. It's why these reps.

I know. 233 yards and four touchdowns in one game. 120 yards, two touchdowns in the second. 165 yards in a touchdown in a third. 103 yards of two touchdowns today. He's never had less than 21 fantasy points. He's never had a game with less than 20 fantasy points. Where would you draft H.N. next year?

Let's say you take McCaffrey first. Is Mostert on the team still? Yeah. Is Mostert a free agent? Well, let's say it doesn't matter. Like, Moster's on the team. He's not, he's, the, we've signed him. He's not going to leave.

God. Honestly, late first, early second. That's what point does it not matter if Muster's there? It's like if H.N. Is he the first part-time first rounder? He's got to 12 touches a game. for these average, but if he averages 11 yards of carry this year, like shatters an NFL record. I don't know. I really don't know the answer because it kind of breaks the concept of everything.

I know. It's like, and by the way, Mostert has like 17 touchdowns this year. Oh, yeah. Oh, dude, Mostert has more as many touchdowns as the Patriots and he's more touchdowns than the Jets, just for himoster. Which is hilarious. The other game that was just ridiculous in the early window was the Lions beat the Saints 33 to 28. And the Lions were literally up 21-0. in, I believe, seven and a half minutes into the first quarter. Fans were booing Derek Carr when he would jog under the field and it would cheer, Tate some hell. It was like the SpongeBob's Squidward meme of just like Squidward, Derek Carr sticks out of

his hand. It was like, boom. Derek Carr is in a really tough spot because I don't think he's very good, but he's good enough to be playing in the NFL, but he's not good enough for any fan base to like him. So I think no matter where Derek Carr goes, everyone's going to despise him. So I really don't know. Because do I think he's good enough

to be a starting quarterback in the NFL? I do. But he's not good enough for any team to accept him no matter where he is. So he's kind of in a tough spot. I went on a Derek Carr rant Friday. I don't take my word for it.

Michael Thomas was just like hate tweeting Derek Carr during the game. Michael Thomas said an injured reserve for the Saints and he just literally was tweeting live tweeting the game, but like only about Derek Carr and was like, Mike, AT Perry, is wide open on one of the throws

that he should have thrown to him. And then he also, I didn't even realize this Michael Thomas post last week. video of Drew Brees on his Instagram story and Drew Brees was asked how do you have your relationship with Michael Thomas? And he's like, when guys are open, a throat of them, man, like, that's my job.

And it was my, like, it was just like five videos like that of Michael Thomas being like Derek Cardo doesn't throw to people. And then he tweeted one like, if you can't see the field, people get hurt. And it was just over and over. With that said, they almost came back in one. Did Michael Thomas delete his Twitter account today?

Yes, he can't guard Mike. He's gone. RIPP to can't guard Mike. You know why it's because he fucking tweeted so much about their car. Yeah, he shit all over the team's quarterback and then deleted his account. How much longer is he going to be on the Saints? Wait, wait, wait. Does that mean? Now it's can't follow, Mike.

Wait, does that mean I can just can't, can't, can't, wait, can I just take can't guard Mike right now? Yeah, just blackmail him. Just blackmail him. One second. I'm sure you're the first person to think about that. If it's. So the Lions won by five. The Saints bizarrely came back.

Carr was playing fine. Came back. Car got hurt. James came in through a horrible past. got tipped and somehow caught by Chris Olave and actually kept the Saints in this game. It was the most James play of all time. But I wanted, DK, we were texting about this earlier. Taysom Hill, he's their Red Zone guy, right?

They bring him in Inside the Five. And it's always him and Camara. And I have Camara on my fantasy team this year, so I'm very invested in him. And so when you're watching your player inside the Red Zone, like, you're basically just staring at them waiting for them to get the ball. I have never once in my life seen Taysam Hill hand the ball off the Alvin Camara. Yeah, it's like, it's a read option in name all the. like he's not reading shit.

He's just hold that ball. He's like, hell or high water. I've fucking taken this into the end zone. He's getting paid by the touchdown or something. He never hands the ball off to Camara, regardless of, he's not reading shit.

He's illiterate in the red zone. He's illiterate at the read option. It's weird because like, you think defenses would, I don't know, but like, are you going to pick your poison? It's like either you're going to ask them

to hand it off to Camaro or have this 32-year-old white guy. take the ball. You know what I mean? Maybe teams are just... You're saying you should commit to Camara to make him keep it. I guess.

I don't know. But there's been plenty of plays where he'll keep it and just get blown up immediately. And you're like, because he's not reading anything. He just wants to score. Oh my God.

Our buddy Ben Solac tweeted out like just a table of EPA per play from like all the way back to like 2015. So it's like a long stretch. And it's like James's highest on the Saints

quarterback list and then taste them and then below them is Derek Carr. It's like, Jesus Christ. I can't have a can't card mic. Someone did that. Nice try. Nice try. Tim he just deactivated it. That was really an incredible like 60 seconds.

Hyfitz is he was dreaming about what he's going to spend all that money on. Hyvitz, how much money would you have charged? Like, what's the lowest amount you would have accepted? I probably would have given it to him for free if he would have came on the show and just talked to with Derek Carr for an hour. It's like the dude that just places the ludicrous bets on games. And it's just like all about like promotion and stuff. Oh, the mattress guy?

Yeah, mattress mic. Okay, explain advertising me. Explain that mattress mac to me. I don't know how the numbers work to be totally honest. I have read the explanation of how he puts a million dollars and makes the money back. You know his name. That's how. And I know, but every time I read it, they're like, no, no, no.

He makes money like not like with marketing. And I'm like, I don't. I've never actually understood the mattress back thing. Neither of I. I'm like it just sounds like a weird elaborate scheme. We famously don't know how

advertising works. So why do we know about this? Yeah. Can we flip, I want to flip to the other side of the ball the team that won the Lions. I think the Lions are officially, it's almost Miami has this award,

but I don't think they get it because of Jalen Waddle. The Lions are the most exciting. God damn it. Leave Waddle alone. I don't. think the Lions are the most exciting fantasy team. Next year, I was thinking about this.

Next year in your fantasy draft, I truly think your strategy could just be lions, and you could get the entire team and have a good fantasy team. You would take Jemir Gibbs in the first, probably get him late first. You could take Amonra on the second, early second, Leporta in the third. I think he's probably going to be the number two tied end, maybe number three in rankings next year at the position. You get David Montgomery in the fourth, and then you grab golf and Jameson Williams.

Jamo. Whatever, six, seven, eight, nine. Your team is great. If you have that team right now, you're in the first. playoffs. I think that's actually, if you're a lion's fan, you can just do that and then you get golf later for the whole stack and you spend the rest of your draft just trying to fill out receivers. And also

you just get running backs because you just need to fill out the running back. The second running back's box because you have Gibbs Montgomery. If one of them gets hurt, the other is going to be like a top five running back basically every week that the other's out. So it's, you could totally do that. I also think Sam Leporta, he had nine catches, 140 yards

in a touchdown. He's the number one tight end this week for Sam Leporta. This is 20 points off the record for the most points from a tight end in a rookie season in the 21st century. Like right now, not like through 12 weeks, the total number. He's on paste to have the best rookie season for a tight end, isn't he? Ever. Yes.

I was good to say, I feel like we're already taking him for granted. We're already like, oh, yeah, Sam LaPorte is really good. And it's like, this guy's a rookie. He's played 10 games. He's who we wanted Kyle Pitts to be. He's literally already has the second, he literally is the second most receiving yards per game ever in a rookie season, only behind Pitts, but he actually scores touchdowns. Kyle Pitts, by the way, still has fewer touchdowns this season than Jimmy Graham, who is like 40.

Jimmy Graham scored today. Jimmy Graham is more touchdowns the season than Pitts. Somebody named Ben Sims scored today, the tight end. I've never heard of that person. I think he's the son of the person who runs her company. No, not Simmons, Sims. Ben Simmons might catch more touchdowns than Cal Pitts by the end of his career. I don't know.

Tide ends also just fixed. Like, if you look at next year, how much do we complain about it? side end. We have to like, it's fixed. Next year, I don't know the rankings, but you're jinxing the fuck out of it, first of all. Fine. No, no, you're right. Travis Kelsey, maybe still the first pick. T.J. Hawkinson, Mark Andrews, George Kittle, Sam Leporta, Dalton Kincaid,

Trey McBride, Jake Ferguson, Dalton Schultz, Dallas Goddert, Cole, Kevin Engram, David and Djokoo. That's like 13. And then after David, outside the top of 13. Aaron Waller, Michael Mayer in year two, Brock Bowers is going to be a top 10 pick from Georgia. No, I can't wait. Oh, and by the way, Kyle Pitts

might be like the 18th tight end next year. I was going to say, real question, where is he ranked next year, Kyle Pitts? Is he top 15? He's not. No, he can't be. Well, if they have a better quarterback or a new coach in Atlanta,

we'll probably put him like 12th because he's got... Just trade him. For fuck's sake. But that's the point is, how often is the upside pick like Shig Oconquah? Hey, this guy I've never heard of who's never done anything, has this opportunity on this team you don't want to watch. And now it's like, Kyle Pitts is going to be like that guy.

You know what I mean? It's like all the tight ends now are people who've done things. Yeah, he's now like the upside dart throw penny stock. He's like O.J. Howard. He's turning into O.J. Howard already. Remember all the hype around OJ. Howard? I think his issue got, he got hurt. But at the same time, he was like this really athletic, first round pick, you know, dynamic, whatever.

and just never turned into anything. I still think Kyle Pitts is going to turn into somebody good in fantasy, but he's younger than Dalton. It's not going to be on the Falcons. Just we need to get him on a new team. Kyle Pitts is 23. Yeah. Speaking of injuries, though, you mentioned OJ Howard got hurt.

There were so many injuries today. Like, it was crazy. Ramonji Stevens got hurt for the Patriots. Tank Dell, we jinxed him. Tank Dell, carted off. He broke his leg. Why do I jinks him if I was saying how good he was? Well, I don't understand why that's a,

jinx. We talked about it. Who are tweeting me like, so, I mean, we're at risk of jinxing every player in the league. Because I am trying to deflect from my own jinxing. I feel like if we would have said, oh, he's been incredibly healthy for being 150 pounds. I'm like, I heard his tibia is just rock solid. Then that would be jinxing him.

Strongest tibias in the league, I heard. You kept saying, oh, Tank Dell, I'd never missed a game due to injury in 10 years. So I don't know. Hyphitz really did do, he jinxed Kelsey. like for real. He missed the one. He did hex, Kelsey. Right.

The hyphids hex is real. I'm not saying the hyphen sex isn't real. Just saying, we can't get blamed for every player we talk about. No, like if I'm like, man, I really think Jemir Gibbs is good.

And then he gets hurt. It's not like I'm jinxing him. Yeah. Well, anyway, Tengthel got carded off right after Craig Jankstam. Sheesh's trout was limping for the Texas. Why was Teng Del blocking on, and like an inside run on the one yard line?

He weighs 160 pounds soaking wet. and he's like blocking with the left guard in the middle of the pile. What are we doing? He's a competitor, man. Well, to be like, to be genuine, I was talking to Nate Tice about this from the athletic, and we were just talking about how, like, there's a new paradigm in the NFL. These guys are tiny. There's like 2-2-out, well, 150 pounds or whatever.

He's like less than 150 pounds. Tank dealt, 150, 160 pounds, whatever he is. And these guys can play in the league now because of the way that the rules changed the way that the style of football is played now. But at the end of the day, and this is what Nate's point was, is like, essentially you just have to expect that these guys are going to miss games every year because this is a big physical sport. Guys are huge. And it's like the same with Devon A. Chan. Like, we probably just have to expect he's going to miss a couple games a year. Their bones are like birds. I just, you know, it's tough. It's just the, it's just the reality of being

a 150 pound person playing in the NFL is like, you can't expect them to play the whole season. I mean, I'm not saying it's like inevitable. They're going to break their bones every time, but like injuries will happen. It was like the theme of the day, though, like Kenny Pickett hurt his ankle. Mitch Drew Biscuit came in and then Kenny Pickett's getting surgeries. Probably have two to four weeks, actually. Brian Robinson had a hamstring injury. So many guys got.

Aaron Rold up on that official's leg or one of the chain gang's leg and bent the wrong way. And we all, that was horrific. The guy. Dislocated his knee, I saw. That's not a chill. Huffin's just had like a thumbs up thing around his head How do I turn these on?

Who decided that like on video chats Like if you just talk with your hands Then I'm gonna like make thought bubbles It is the most unnecessary stupid modern idea It's like if somebody puts a thumbs up It wouldn't it be cute to have a thumbs up bubble Pop up next to their face? Especially the world wants that

You know what the problem is with the filters? It's like they have to opt in. Everyone wants the filters. That's you know what I mean? that's what they're thinking. Yeah, right. Everyone must. It's just the ultimate doing too much.

Do less. Do less. Derek Henry left for the concussion, and then Toshae Spears played 100% of the snaps. I mean, just again, Tim Robinson liked it. Gotta figure out I'd make money on this. Yes. Tajay Spears is in the Eli Mitchell camp of you hold on to him all year.

And if you held on to him to Tadj Spears, I don't want to say congrats because Derek Henry got heard. But if Derek Henry does miss a game, like this is an important week for Fantasy football. football. And if you've been holding on to Spears, this is why you do stuff like that. Also, shout out. I'm sorry that this is so late. It's kind of classic for Mike Evans that we would wait this long. But Mike Evans and also Michael Pittman's been at Glansberg. I was down to Michael Pittman to begin this year and I was super wrong. Like, Pittman's been fantastic.

And Mike Evans, Pittman's good. Mike Evans has been out of control incredible this year. I mean, again, Mike Evans just is top 10 receiver. Like he's just there. He's there again. Mike Evans has the second most 1,000-yard seasons in the history of the NFL. Literally. Jerry Rice. And then it's, yes. He's never not done it. Holy shit.

10 straight years. A thousand yards. He's the only receiver in the NFL who ever went over a thousand in his first 10 season. I know that. So like that's just, I mean, a wild, wild set. I mean, like he is like a first ballot. Yeah.

Right? He had a 75-yard touchdown today. No, Craig. That's the weird. thing with Evans is, but at no point was he ever like some consensus top five receiver. I don't think he's ever been. Like, am I going to tell my grandkids about Mike Evans? No.

If my grandkids says was Mike Evans good, I'd be like, yeah, it's pretty good. That's, yeah, that's the thing. I think what's weird is that we were talking before about Chris Godwin was better with Brady. And we were talking about how Brady was processing it. Like, Tom Brady plays with his brain. And he was like, who's open? And Baker is better for Mike Evans because Baker kind of just plays with his dick. Like Baker just thinks with his dick when he plays.

Like Baker's just like Uncle Rico, I bet you don't be cool. Throw it to Mike Evans right now and he just does it. And Brady was like, who's open like a fucking nerd? But yeah, Baker plays like you play Madden where it's like, who's the best receiver on my team?

He's going to get 23 targets. That route looks orange. I'm going to throw it that way. Same thing. It's like Minchu with Michael Pittman. There's a lot of guys who get that treatment. Well, Pittman, they've just like Shane Stike and the Colts head coach,

They've designed plays for Pittman. Evans just run straight and they kind of throw him the ball. It honestly feels like Pittman has the Cooper Cup treatment a little bit. The way they move him around the field. They had a cool touchdown with Pittman today where I've been waiting for this like exact route for what. I don't know they didn't have been it today, but like he just, Pittman's a big dude and they went to just do a pick. And he just faked the pit and just pick and spun back toward the goalpost and just was wide open.

And like waited exactly for them to switch the defenders. And then he was open. I'm like, yeah, that's unguaritable. Just, it's cool. But yeah, Pittman's also been fantastic this season. So there you go. Sorry about Pittman. Also, wait, Nico Collins, that's the other receiver.

He's been incredible. Nico Collins, 191 yards, nine catches in a touchdown. Yeah. Nico Collins, because we've been talking about Tank Dell, Nico Collins tied for the fifth most by yards in a game by a receiver all season. And also, Nico Collins, top four receiver on the week. In the last five weeks, Nico Collins is a top six fantasy receiver. The only receiver is more point.

the Nico Collins in the last five weeks are Keenan Allen, D.K. McCaff, CD, Lamb, Devo, Samuel, and Tyree Kill. That's it. He's only nine yards short of a thousand. And he missed a game or two this year. Also, he's a nobody. Like, he's a good player, but it's like, he's not famous. Like, like, 97% of people do not know what Nucco Collins is.

It's crazy because he is an outlier in terms of the way that, like in the dynasty community or whatever, I'm projecting which guys are going to turn out really well. It's like he didn't really do very much over his first two seasons and almost never, those guys almost never end up turning into superstars and fantasy. Like if you don't do anything over the first two seasons. He felt like it's Donovan People's Jones, but he worked out.

Right. Yeah. And so, like, what he's doing this year is very rare and exciting. Obviously, when he came out of Michigan, he was like really athletic, big guy, but like the traits, we've told the story a million times, like, oh, he's really tall, big, and fast, right? And he's actually doing, like, what he's doing now is wild. So, I mean, we just, yeah, Nico Collins, he's like a legit, really good player.

All these guys have in common, this is kind of like a renaissance year for big receivers because all these guys are six, four or five. And like, there's not actually that many six four receivers that are good as many as you think. And like, Mike Evans is six five. He's basically the biggest good receiver or the goodest big. I don't know. He's tall.

But like, the best big receivers. Like, they're way fewer than you think. And then like Michael Pittman and Nico Collins. so it's 6-4. And there's fewer 6-4 receivers than you think. And they're crushing it. Love Nico. Other weird thing we have to get to is Joe Flacco played well.

The Rams crushed the Bradco. not crushed it, but the 3619. The Rams kind of pulled away at the end. But Flacco was fine almost seems like underrating it. I don't know. He had a terrible thing. He's easily the best quarterback that the Browns can have right now. He's easily the best option.

He was just like hanging out on his couch all year. He's 38, showed up a week ago, and he is easily the best option they've had a quarterback. Looked, like, fine. He had 250 yards, two touchdowns. That's only happened once, by the way, for the Browns this year. There's only been one game where a quarterback has had 250 and two touchdowns on the Browns this year.

It was like Deshawn in week four or something. But yeah, he legitimately looked competent. Had a terrible pick at the end of the game. But look, you take what you can get with Flacco. And like the Browns have a legitimate shot to make the playoffs with him. I'm sure he's going to get worse because the first game, for some reason, they always like decent. And then comes from.

weeks from now to be horrific. Yeah. Yes. He will spoil like an old piece of fruit, but I was impressed today for Flacco. I just, I just the idea, the idea that having tape on Joe Flacco, like the idea that game tape outweighs the necessity of practice has really blowed my mind and really quite maybe question things this year. Like how much have we heard practice matters, reps matter? And then it's like, really seems like a lot of quarterbacks. stepped out on five days notice and were better than whoever is playing.

Is quarterback easy? That's where we're going to end up here. The worst, the worst season statistically for like scoring and quarterbacks in a decade. Quarterbacking is easy, isn't it? Also, what's with Elijah Moore that he's gone over 70 yards, like four times in his career and two with Flacco? He's a messy receiver.

I feel like so like, I'm going to know. 83 yards. He's done that twice. He had 12 targets and four catches. He's just so messy. I feel like every time I look up, he's missing it. He's like dropping a pass or it's going through his fingers or he's stepping on the sideline.

I haven't sold my stock. I'm in. I'm hanging on to Elijah more. Every time I look up, it's going through his fingers. All right. The most important game of the day. I don't care about the game, but the most important thing we have to talk about today. So a couple big things.

The Patriots, Sam Monson at Pro Football Focus, so this is an incredible stat. The Chargers beat the Patriots 16. nothing to which the charges means the charges covered a five and a half point spread by scoring six points. Remarkable. Which is true like one of one game. So, but you know, with the, um, amid the darkness comes a ray of light via Mike Giardy, who tweeted

out the pay, out the Patriots are the first team to lose three straight games while allowing 10 or fewer points, which I, I want to read that because it's incredible. The Patriots are almost three straight games while allowing 10 or fewer points, which has not happened since the 1938 Chicago Cardinals. They lost 10 to 6, 10 to 7, and 6 to 0. This is how you fucking tank. This is why Belichick's the best. They're doing this so perfectly.

It takes skill to do to tank this well. I mean, that is an incredible step. It's a masterful tank. The 1938 Chicago. Cardinals. Let me read you a little bit of the Chicago Cardinals. Yes. Forget the players. The general manager was a guy named Arch Wolf. Did he play also?

The owner, maybe. Arch Wolf? Charles Bidwell. The Arch Wolf is the alpha of the pack. Charles Bidwell was the current Cardinals owner's, I think, father or grandfather. His Wikipedia page, prior to his ownership of the Cardinals, Bidwell, was a successful businessman and wealthy lawyer in Chicago with ties to organized crime boss Al Capone. Sick.

And then the Chicago Cardinals roster. included Buddy Parker, Pat coffee. Pat coffee. Milt Popovich. Milt Popovich. Milt Popovich. Ed Cherry. When's the last time we've had a Milt in the NFL?

Milt Plum? Dude, Tommy DeVito. Did you already forget about Milt Plum? Dude, milk plumb. I'm saying when's the last time? Is Milt the last milk the last milk? I hope so. It's the only Milt in my heart is Milt Plum.

Is Miltz short for something? Milton? Milton. Dude, there's... Milton. Hal Hamilton Plum. How?

Ed Cherry. Nice. Ed Cherry. Four different guys kicked. But that's not even the best one of the day. They all kicked. If it's, they've seen the pictures.

They all fucking love punting. The other one, shout out to... They were all Taysam Hills back then. Shout out to Adam Harstead who tweeted this out too. So, reminded Kyler Murray, who's 5'10, threw it past to Rondell Moore, who's 5'7, is the shortest combined passing touchdown in the NFL.

since Pard Pierce threw one to Dutch Sterneman on the 1920 Decatur Staling. Pard. Pard. I think Pard is my new favorite old time name.

Pard. Pard. Pard. Pard. also. Confused. I'm confused. Isn't this like the shortest touchdown connection since last week when fucking Kyler Murray

threw a touchdown to my boy Dorch? Dorch? I think Dorch is like, 572. Pard Pierce also played the Kenosha Maroons. Pard. What's Pard?

What's Pard short for, Craig? Pard. Pard. Pardon. Are you saying par? This is how I think it went down. I think Pard Pierce was born and they told the doctor

they're like, what do you want to name him? And the guy said something but he didn't really hear him. And he said, pardon? And then he just wrote down Pard. Pardon my name. His real name, looking him up on Wikipedia,

is two sentences long. His name is Walter Pierce and his nickname is Pard. Pardt. Not sure. No indication for why. We're not talking enough about Dutch Sturnaman.

Dutch. Dude, I love, you guys don't play Red Dead Red Dead Redemption. Dude, the idea that your name is just Dutch. I'm like, that to me is the ultimate. I want to see like Red, like Red Grange.

I want to see Dutch. Yeah, there's not many Reds and Dutches these days. Hyvitz, can you name the team that Pard played for? Decatur Staly's. Yeah, what is that? Decatur? Do you say Decatur?

Oh, shit. God damn. You got me. Yeah, is it Decatur? Fuck! Get it again. It's going to be once a week with this. I've never heard the word Decatur or Staley's.

I don't know what either of those are. Well, I'm the host. I have to read stuff, man. I don't know. Decatur. He also played for the Kenosha Maroons, and I was hoping I had to say the Kenosha morons. I did.

You just weren't listening. Oh, did you? What is the Staley? Decatur. Decatur's in Georgia, but this is Illinois. I think the Decatur Stalys were the Bears. I think it's the same team. He also played for the Providence Steamroller.

Singular. So are the Staley's just a guy's last name like the Cleveland Browns? Like they just, it's just a dude's last name. I don't know, actually. I just think the Bears are the Staley's. Also, that's another thing we never talk about, and it's too late to be in the show,

like to talk about this. but we never talk about how the browns aren't, like the pre-99 Browns aren't the Browns, like they're the Ravens. We never talk about that. Yeah. But like, yeah, it's very weird. Jim Brown didn't play for the Browns.

He played for the modern day Ravens. And we've all agreed to just never talk about this or acknowledge it. Right. But like Bill Belichick coached what is now the Ravens. We never talk about how the Ravens, the coach before they were the Ravens, was Bill Belichick. we never talk about this ever anyway

it's a whole different conversation that is weird you're right we just never acknowledge that that's real like the team Jim Brown for played for it became the Ravens whatever okay that's probably all week no we got to do the burn book

oh shit Craig I think you know we're gonna we're gonna fire Chris Godwin into the sun I've been starting Chris Godwin this entire season and he had seven

points. Dude, that's... It's almost impossible to have as bad as a game as he did while scoring a touchdown. He had one carry for 19 yards and a touchdown. Didn't catch a pass.

Oh my God. He didn't even get a point for the touchdown. That's some Jameson Williams Cadarius Tony shit from Chris Godwin. You got a carry for a touchdown. I think I've started him

every single game this year because I'm like, I don't really have anybody else and Chris Godwin is supposed to be good at football. He's been awful. His last five games, 7, 6, 6, 7, 7, 2.

Brutal. He's Hunter Renfro. Oh, my God. That's, that's, it's embarrassing that it took us this long. I apologize to everybody at home who has been rostering and starting Chris Godwin, and we haven't burned to him. You've been yelling at us through your car.

We just didn't know until today, as Hyford's so, like, poignantly put it, that just Baker Mayfield thinks with his dick when he's playing football. And we didn't realize that, you know? And that's on us. I really got to, I can't wait when we do the lessons from the year, because I have so many new tattoos I want to put on my body. I've learned so much this year.

Should we power-ranked that this week? The lessons we've learned? Yeah. Yeah, I'm down. Even though, is it okay to tattoo midway through the season or only three-fourths into the season? How else are we going to remember?

That's a good point. We'll see. Maybe we should do one tattoo a week. Maybe that's what we should do at the end of every show. That would have been a better idea. We should tattoo that for next year. Oh, my God.

All right. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. producing this episode. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Oh, God.

Thank you. The Decatur Staley's. Are you sure it's Decatur? There's a Decatur, George. Decatur's probably, I do not know. Let's go with... There's so many people in Illinois mad at me. Lil Wayne.

I heard Lil Wayne on the intro today to the Sunday night football game, I think. He's just like, he was like part of the... Yeah, I didn't know that. Dude, I respect Louaigne so much for not hopping on the Saints band. Obviously, Louains, New Orleans guy. And he did, when the Saints won the Super Bowl, he was like, that's cool for the City, but like, I'm not a Saints fan. And then the Packers won the Super Bowl and he went nuts.

Why is he a Packers fan? I don't know. He just was. I don't know. But like, he didn't, like, how easy would it have been for Lou Wayne to hop on the New Orleans bandwagon? And he just was like, nope, not my team. But so sick.

Yeah, that is kind of sick. Lil Wayne probably could be a receiver on the Cardinals based on his size. How tall is the little? 5-5, according to Wikipedia. It was actually Rodell Moore's the same height as Lou Wayne. Oh, no, Tard Pierce. Lil Wayne's the same height.

No, set in square a gami. Little Wayne's the same height as part-piers. He's got the body of Pard Pierce, you know? I'd love to see them compete. Part-Pierce, Lowell-Wing, one-on. compete. Thank you. Oh, no, I did that. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandul is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC. Gambling problem. Call 1-800 gambler or

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