The Ringer NFL Show - Week 13 Waivers

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

SHOWDOWN TIME! The guys discuss must-add players at each position ahead of NFL Week 13. (00:00) Intro(03:11) RB waivers: Chris Rodriguez Jr., Bhayshul Tuten, Blake Corum(11:26) WR waivers: Jayden Higgins, Parker Washington, John Metchie III(22:28) TE waivers: Brenton Strange, Mike Gesicki, Mason Taylor(28:36) QB waivers: Tyrod Taylor, Cam Ward, Jameis Winston(29:39) D/ST waivers: Chargers, Jaguars, Cardinals(34:43) Emails Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Further. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig HorlbeckProducers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyattfordson. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Warlbecker. We're going through all the players. You must add entering week 13 of the NFL season, which means there's two weeks left in the fantasy football season, regular season, into the place, which is insane. It's getting tight.

Me and Bill Simmons are fighting for the sixth seed in the Ringer League. Craig, is there a scenario in which you get last? Certainly. Absolutely there is. My team's in shambles. And the problem is Bill's team's going up. My team is headed down. You got hot too early.

You peaked too early. I never got hot. I just was fine. And now I'm not fine. But big matchup. Big matchup. Stay tuned. We'll help Craig's team.

I also have to admit, I screwed up my audio for the beginning of this running back conversation. And I will fix it ahead of the receivers. So I'm sorry that I sound awful to start this conversation. And, yeah, we're going to go through waivers. And Leroux is here. I don't know. That's right.

Yeah, Leru is here. So stick around, everybody. We got a great show. First, we're going to take a quick break. You can probably, you probably don't need the break after the quick show, great show. But yeah. Oh, that's good point. Craig's like, come on, we should keep that, though.

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Details at chime.com slash fees info. with a qualifying direct deposit earned 1.5% cashback on eligible secured Chime Visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yield. Learn more at chime.com. All right. We're going to get into waivers entering week 13. And again, there's really two camps of people. There's people who need a starter for like this week or next week and just try to make playoffs. And there's people kind of prepping for the playoffs. We're going to try to help you if you need help the next couple weeks in particular,

especially get around Thanksgiving and everything. no buys this week, which is important to note. But there's so many games on Thursday or Friday that I think that, you know, it's a little staggered with injuries and stuff. And then week 14, there are 14. So, buy Patriots, Giants, and then the two teams play them on a football, Panthers and 49ers. So keep that in mind. If you don't need players for this week, click ahead and see if you have any of those guys

because you feel like Ted McMillan or Christian McCaffrey or any George Kittle, if you don't have a backup for those guys, we're 14, then you might want to add for that if you are set for week 13. But yeah, we just got to get into it. DK, who's the number one running back you would have out in waivers entering week 13? I think not a great week for running backs, but if I'm going to be adding someone that I want to use for multiple weeks, it would be Chris Rodriguez for the commanders,

who is sort of ascended to the role of leadback in Washington. Obviously, that's not like the most valuable player or position in fantasy football right now, but I think you're not going to find very many starting running backs on waivers, and that is what Chris Rodriguez is. So this week they have Denver. That's really tough. I don't know if I'd necessarily plug him into my lineup this week, but going down the next like four weeks after that,

I definitely like consider it or at least give me some depth if I have an injury at running back. So he would probably be what I prioritize. We could talk about a different player if you need someone, absolutely need someone this week, though. Yeah, I think I'm, I think I would go with Bachel Tutin for the Jags, who hurt his ankle last week. week in this game. Not the most recent week.

Week before that week, 11 he hurt his ankle. In that game, though, where they beat the Chargers, in the first half of that game, Tudin out carried Travers E.T.N. And they, the snaps were split in the first half, 50-50, which was basically the most they played all year. And Tutin looked great. He out rushed Travers E.T.N. Then he banged up his ankle a little bit. And then last week, he only got seven carries. I think he was still coming back a little bit health-wise. I don't know, though. I think that if any of these guys, are going to be like an end-of-year league winner. I think it's Bachel Tutin.

He's a guy who, D.K. Light, coming out of the draft, we feel good about him compared to these other guys we're going to talk about, like, Devin Neal and Chris Rodriguez. Like, Bachel Tootin is a guy who actually might be a real starting running back talent in the NFL. So I think in terms of, like, workload, he's kind of right there with Devin Neal and Chris Rodriguez. He might get a little bit less touches than the two of those guys.

But I think talent-wise, and just based on the matchup, they play Tennessee. The Jags do. I mean, when they beat the shit out of the Chargers, that's when... Tudin was getting a lot of runs. So I think them playing Tennessee, just betting on the talent. I think I like Tudin. Speaks to the weird week.

I have a third guy. I have Blake Quorum for the Rams. And it's for the simple thing of the Rams are playing the Panthers. We'll see how this Niners game goes. But I mean, I kind of think, you're right, D.K., that Chris Rodriguez is probably going to be

the starter for Washington going forward. But if you're telling me, Washington versus Denver, and Denver's top three defense to the NFL, I'm like, man, Blake Corum is, to me, is just as likely to get a bunch of garbage time

carries and a bunch of like rotational stuff. And like he's, I think he could totally end up with the touchdown against the Panthers. It feels like, I don't know, more or less even odds to me. And again, he has way more upside of just Kyron Williams gets hurt. But he had, like, Blake Corp's numbers last two weeks have been kind of bad. But the teams he played had incredible run defenses.

Like even the Bucks run defense is pretty good. And then also the week before that, it was the Seahawks who have an amazing run defense. But the weeks before that, like you got like 13 carries two weeks in a row because the rims are blowing teams out. I kind of think the rim's going to blow out the Panthers. I think they're like nine-point favorites anyway. So that combined with the upside of,

Kyron Williams gets hurt. But to your point, Chris Rodriguez, I think if you do, are in a deeper league where PlayCorps is available. Chris Rodriguez is interested in me because if you're going to make the playoffs, that Washington plays the Giants in Week 15, which could be like a sneaky, weirdly good flex play if you're in a deeper league, that Chris Rodriguez, if he's available in a week, is actually probably a playable guy in the fantasy playoffs. So Chris Rodriguez is definitely like a desperation guy you can play this week against the

Broncos and then the Vikings next week, which also could run deep. But I think he probably like a pretty random guy that you can start in the playoffs and have success. So yeah, it's brutal. They play Denver, Minnesota, then they play the Giants, and then it's Philly. It's a three out of four weeks you probably wouldn't play them. Yeah, the guys are talking about how upset. The other one, Julian McLaughlin for the Broncos, which is just a total wild card because

the Broncos run by. But like, you know, Archie Harvey's probably the starter. You think he gets touches, but Sean Payton never does the normal thing. But they're playing the Raiders in week 14. So you're going Coram. I'm going to, and he's going Rodriguez. Are we going to do a trivia just to see who gets priority? Sure.

Do we withhold the people of trivia? No. No, we do trivia and then, you know, I guess no matter what we will get our guys. I think so. Yeah, but look, the trivia, the most important part of this show is who's winning trivia, not who wins waivers. We should probably do trivia, which, by the way, the update, D.K., Hyfitz is killing us. Hyfitz has 13 correct answers this year, and you and I have nine each. Okay.

So we've got to kind of lock in here. Oh, man, another bad pick from Purdy. Two picks. Okay, well, I have to tell you guys saying up front. Because the way I've been doing this trivia recently is to save us time on all the time where we're trying to Google the answer, which wasn't really working. I'm kind of writing down my guess. And then I've got to tell you, I kind of nailed this question. It's pretty good, not to put pressure on you.

Okay. But this one's great. This was from John. Johnny! Jay Bone. I love this one. How fast was the fastest speeding ticket ever. issued in the United States.

What a great question. Amazing question. Never thought about it. It was instantly obsessed. How fast was a car going? Yeah. Hmm. And was it a car, to be clear?

I will admit, I looked it up and it was a car. I did. It was a car. It was not talking like some silly thing. It was like a helicopter or some shit. It is a car that you can purchase, yes. Okay. Wow.

Okay. All right, shall we? You guys ready? Yeah, sure. All right. Three, two, one. 1095. 208.

What did you said, you can? 1.95. I said 230. Ah, the actual answer is 242. Wow. 242. That is dangerous. Dangerous.

I can't even pronounce this. The Konig Seg, CCR, or this was in D.EF Speed Nuss wanted one of those video games. It's a Swedish sports car. Hmm. And 242 miles an hour. was in Texas. Do we know any details? What year was it? It was 2003 May in Texas and the driver had

at the Swedish sports car, a Konexeg CCR and was going 242 and a 75. Oh my God. Were they racing somebody? Was there another person? I think you're just racing the game at that point. You're just really trying to feel something. It's playing the course. I don't know.

What's the penalty for that? That's like a triple felony, a million dollar fine? Like how bad is that? Yeah, that's like, that's like reckless endangerment or some shit like that. I got to, that kind of transcends the whole, you know, that's really irresponsible to go that fast. Think of the people the road to,

damn, you went faster than anyone who's ever been pulled over. That's pretty, if you're going to do it, do it right. 242? That's, that's actually insane. Wow. So, High Fitz, who do you take, who are you taking again? I'm taking play quorum for the same reason the Rams are playing the Panthers, and I just kind of think it's a good mix of he could score,

he could get dead carries or 10 touches, but then also if Carver Williams gets her, it's a lottery ticket. And you're right that Chris Rodriguez is starting running by waivers. I just hate that he's playing the Broncos if I need to make the playoffs. Yeah, I'm going to take Rodriguez.

Craig, you're going to take... Tootin. I like the Tootin one. The other one I want to throw out here that I think is a pretty good option if you want to play someone this week and this week only. And that is Devin Neal for the Saints.

Craig mentioned him. Alvin Camara has an MCL sprain according to Nick Underhill. And he avoided major injury, but it could take a little bit of time to get him back on the field. So Devin Neal in this last game, and they're probably going to be playing from behind quite often.

He got seven targets, five catches, 43 yards. That's obviously where he's going to make his money. I don't think he's going to run for a ton of yards, although he did get seven carries as well. But he dominated snaps and opportunities after Alvin Kamara got hurt. And so, yeah, they are playing the dolphins this week who have not been the greatest run defense

or just defense in general. So I think if you really need someone to plug in this week, he would be probably the guy I would go with over Rodriguez playing the Broncos. But like longer term, I like Rodriguez more. Okay, I have fixed my audio going forward. So it will sound better. Thank you for bearing with us. All right.

Let's get to receiver here. You come home for Thanksgiving and, you know, it's always something. Receivers, DK, is your number one receiver. You would add off waivers entering week 13. I'm sticking with Parker Washington for the Jags, who had seven targets last week, five catches 71 yards and a touchdown. Brian Thomas will be back at some point, but I just kind of feel like Parker, Washington is actually good

and has the trust of Trevor Lawrence and has the trust of the team. And he's basically just been their best receiver in the last month or so. So I would feel the most comfortable of all these guys. And there's a handful of other options I think are good, but I'd feel the most comfortable plugging Washington into my actual lineup this next week. I totally agree. He's the number one receiver on the Jacks. They play the Titans, by the way.

Yeah. I'm taking Parker Washington if he's there. When the Jaguars, Trevor Lawrence needs to get a first down, like he's looking to Parker Washington, which as we go into December and fantasy, it's pretty hard to find. He also is there punt returner,

and he's really good at punt returning. And so he could always score a touchdown that way, theoretically. I'm close on him with Jaden Higgins on Houston, who I really like. That's a good one. He's like very good and play the Colts next week. The last two weeks he's got 16 targets.

He cut a touchdown. They throw to him a lot. He's just becoming the number two in that offense and he's big. I think he passes the eye test. He looks good. He's going to score touchdowns too because he's got that size in the red zone. I'm a little nervous. He's an example as well of a player that sometimes the backup quarterback comes in

and has a better rapport with the rookie than Nico Collins because Davis Mills, I feel like was actually playing with Jane Higgins in training camp because he was with the twos, not the ones. You kind of see it. I know. But the thing is, Stroud is still in concussion protocol as of Monday. So Davis Mills might get another start.

I just like Higgins. Like I feel like there's the odds of Higgins is arrow going up over the next five weeks and Parker Washington's kind of either steadying or going down. I feel like it's likely with Brian Thomas returning, the Jags tied in Brenton Strange came back last week. It had 90 yards.

I just wonder if like we've seen the ceiling of Parker Washington. We have not seen the ceiling of Jaden Higgins. That's super fair, especially because Jaden Higgins was the 34th pick in the draft. He was the second pick in the second round. We always literally, we won't shut up about how the rookie receivers, you kind of just, this is exactly the time of year where the rookie receivers usually take off. Like, we see, like, I mean, over and over again, we see a receiver right around Thanksgiving, who's done nothing, kind of just ascend.

So I think that's smart, Craig. I like Higgins. He targets in his last five games, 9, 7, 7, 1, and then 8. Okay. So, yeah, he's been, he's been really coming on. he's really good. Dude. Craig's convinced me.

I'm going Jaden Higgins. Two things going on. One, did anyone notice that we forgot to do showdown time for the running back trivia? Whoa. Well, because there was no showdown. We didn't have any.

We did the showdown. I guess that's true. There was no showdown. I guess instinctively, I felt, we felt that. We didn't do it. Also, Brock Purdy has now thrown his third pick in the first half.

What is going on in this game? And they all look horrible. Like you can't see. arm looks really weak. Like all of these throws are really underthrown. Bizarre. My dad texts me. My dad is a diehard knight of hand texted me.

I'm getting the Mack Jones itch. These aren't even close. This is going to be Joe Burrow on Thanksgiving. I think on this last one, a guy fell down. Joe Burroughs is going to be throwing three picks against the Ravens of Thanksgiving and everyone's going to be like,

where's Flacco? These, I mean, three severely underthrown balls for these three interceptions in the first half. Very weird game so far. Yeah. It's just so. playing videos. Well,

okay. So we do it. Should we do a Jaden Higgins showdown time? I think there's a lot of other guys worth talking about. We're all going to pivot to Higgins. I convince you all.

I'm like the guy in 12 Angry Men. All right, wonderful. I mean, I still like Parker Washington the most, but we'll do this for vibes. Okay. All right.

It is the Jaden Higgins showdown time. Also, I do want to say one more thing. We got an email from somebody that a good idea. that rather than I say showdown time and then the gong plays, I say the player's name, and then the gong plays,

and then I say showdown time as the gong is playing. And I think that's a good idea. Let's try it. Let's try it. Try it right now. Right now. Okay, ready, Carlos? It is the Jaden Higgins' showdown time.

Oh, that does have a little bit nice. That's fine. I like that. It disrupts my gong being the moment of peace, but it sounds cooler. Also, I got some messages that Hifitz claimed to be, victorious on one of the trivia questions recently, and he was actually third. He was last. A lot of people said that.

Many people are saying. So just want to point that out. In my defense, it disqualified you because I asked you what number you said and you couldn't remember. And I forgot. I also was wrong. Wait, which question? It was about the bits and the memory of the brain, like terabytes or something.

But the D.K. He could remember what his number was. Also, Tom is the guy who emailed us about the gong. So shout out Tom. Thank you, Tom. Tom. Tom, Tom. Tom.

Tom Tom. My God. We'll do a poll or something about whether we want to keep the gong during the name or not. Nope, okay, I think he likes it. This is from Josh. Joshy!

No J-bone in the house. For breakfast, I had a bacon, rosemary, and sea salt bagel. Wow. With piccante pepper cream cheese and a black coffee. Oh my God. Black brown rice and I'm in heaven.

Okay, slut. Damn. Wow. That sounds incredible. What a saucy breakfast. What do you? you do for work. I'm interested. This guy's a chef.

Josh says, so he wrote, I don't know how pronounced this man's name, but Shigeru Miyamoto, the creator of Mario recently celebrated his 73rd birthday. Happy birthday. Oh, okay, okay. Mario is in Super Mario? Yes. This week, Mario will make his debut in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day

parade. How many handlers are needed for the Mario balloon? Christ. These questions are so good. So the Macy's Day parade, I assume this is like a hundred foot tall fucking balloon. Giant balloons. Do you guys watch it or West Coast? Is it just not a thing?

No, I don't watch it. It's on. It's on. It's never been a part of my life. Nobody watches it, but it's on. It's in the background. It's like mid-season baseball. It's all on.

I kind of love it. I don't really just, I just don't watch TV. I'm pro parade. You're pro parade? Yeah, I like parades. I like after a team wins a championship, they do the parade. Yeah, that's fun. I think it's fun.

Parades are great. Kids love it. How many people are holding the Mario balloon? Three, two, one. Fifty five, 55. You say one, DK? I said 12. Oh, I also heard one.

I said, 26. That was what I wrote down. I actually didn't remember what I wrote down, but I wrote that 26. Probably needs more than 12, actually, now that I'm thinking about it. You said 50. The answer is. 12 people get lifted up in the air. I know, that's, now I'm like, shit.

This is why I got to look it up before. What if it gets windy? by the way guys oh I lost never mind I needed I needed Rico Dattle to score less than three points he has 3.2 damn it I need a fumble and an injury from Rico Dattle tonight

he did a word for that when you're like well if the player gets hurt I'll win if on the next play he fumbles and lightly pulls his hamstring I would be upset how dare you cramps up for the rest of the game just cramps just sick he's just sick he just doesn't feel good yeah yeah he gets diarrhea tomorrow he feels better

Yeah. Jay Bohn screwed us. The answer is not in this article. Okay. It says up to 30 people can hold a balloon. Okay. I just went into chat GPT. For the large character balloons

in the Macy's Day Thanksgiving parade, it takes about 90 handlers per balloon. Wow. So Craig wins. Yeah. Craig needed that. I desperately needed that. All right, Craig.

More than 12. Okay. Craig gets Jane Higgins. I'll take Parker, Washington. D.K. good luck. Okay. So Craig gets Jain Higgins. Higgins,

Parker Washington. The other guy I want to throw out here, a couple guys. John Mechie for the Jets. I understand it's the Jets. I understand it's not super exciting. However, he is playing a ton of snaps and has clear-cut chemistry

with Terad Taylor. So he's an option. He's a great story. John Metchie, he was drafted in the second round, and then he got leukemia, and he came back, and like...

And they got buried in Houston, and they drafted like a couple more receivers and they traded him. Yeah, it's a nice story that John Retchy is. So he had seven targets, six catches, 65 yards, and it touched on in his last game. The week before that, he had three catches for 45 yards in the score. The passing game is actually somewhat functional.

I think we kind of forget that with Therod Taylor. So I don't know, it's not the worst option. I think he's a good player and, you know, we're beggars, can't be choosers here. The other guy, Luther Burton, if he's out there, his role is growing. Craig, I'm surprised he didn't say him. I've really, really thought about it.

Yeah. They have a tough schedule coming up. That's the one downside for the Bears is, man, they've got to go through the gauntlet here. Eagles Packers, Browns Packers. Yeah. So that's not ideal. But he has pretty much officially taken over as the wide receiver three for the Bears. Kishon Booty is back for the Patriots.

He's coming off this hamstring injury. And it's the same theory that I've said all season along, basically, with Booty. He's like the best deep ball receiver on a team with the best deep ball quarterback in the NFL. A note I would add, I think Luther Burden, if you have the luxury of, waiting for him to ascend later in the season is a good stash. If you need someone for this week because specifically you have like an injured player, you don't know if you're a play or not. The difference is Luther Bird is playing on Thanksgiving.

So if you have some questionable guy on Sunday, you have to make the decision Thursday, which always sucks. Whereas both Kishon Booty and Isaiah Hodgins, the Giants receiver who is way more reliable than you think because he was on this team a couple years ago. Even better than little Jordan Humphrey. And they're 100% going to be available.

At least they're on Monday night football. so you would be able to play a guy on Sunday and then you could still cut them and add someone else if you want ahead of week 14. So that to me is the difference. If you actually have a questionable person

you'd rather play and you need a fill in, the Monday day football thing's kind of nice. But if you're not going to play Luther Bird and you want to hold him, I think he's a better longer term guy. So I guess I'll go with, I agree with all that. I'll go with John Mechie. But there's a lot of sort of borderline

guys in that same sort of own. Shamir D.K. from the Titans has been really good lately. I've had said, Isaiah Hodgins. I like that one. But yeah, that's my choice. Okay.

Tight ends. D.K., number one, tight end you down. Also, let's assume that like Dalton Schultz is like gone. I think if Dalton Shultz is available, you'd probably want to add him. But if anyone else is there, D.K., who would you take it?

I'm going on and getting some strange this week, guys. I hate that phrase. I just think it sounds gross. It's weird. I don't like it. Brent and Strange from the Jags. First game back, five targets.

catches, 93 yards. He had played 72% of the snaps. They really missed him, I think. And he's kind of like a big part of their offense. So there's a couple other guys. I think Mike Gisicki this week and this week only is pretty damn good option. Because if you remember last year, Gisickey is essentially the T. Higgins' handcuff. And so with T. Higgins already declared out for Thursday Night Football, I would plug and play Mike

Kiske. But I'm going with Brent Strange just because I think he'll be valuable for the rest of the year. I want to strange as well. 100% co-assigned to what you just said. Strange will be maybe, like you want tight ends who might be the number one

receiver on their team and Strange has an option. As Craig, like if Parker Washington is and I actually think Strange might end up leading them in the targets before maybe Brian Thomas does

for the rest of the year. That settles it then. It is the Brenton Strange. We're out looking for some strange. Showdown time. I think we figure out. That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

Okay, and on our tight ends, this is from Thomas. Tommy. We were talking about Darnell Washington weighing 311 pounds, and I think one of you compared him to Andre the Giant. So then Thomas emailed in, when Andre the Giant wrestled Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania 3 in 1987, how much did Andre weigh? Oh.

Dude, I saw a clip on Twitter or like on Instagram this week that was like talking about Andre the Giants drinking prowess. Oh, my God, dude. He used to drink bottles of wine Like they were cans of apples He's like I was one guy is like I And forgive me he's a very famous wrestler as you know I don't know my wrestlers very well

But he was like one time I hung out with him He drank 100 beers Dude the Andre the Giant The Ringer Films was the first doc they made It was about Andre the Giant And they were told like yeah I think it was from that I'm pretty sure it was from that

Probably yeah Yeah The funny thing about that is I bet they're exaggerating I bet it's 40 40's fucking crazy A hundred I mean They said it used to bottles of vodka to get going.

Well, the picture in his hand, kids will never, it'll be the new like Will Chamberlain photo. They're going to think it's fake, but him holding a beer is insane. Yeah. Okay. We ready? Speaking of that, Doc, I'm a little worried I fucking nailed this too, and you guys are, I think I, there's a, there's a, I pulled a number from so deep in my subconscious.

I think I might have gotten the exact number from that documentary, and I'm worried to have it to the pound. By the way, Shoemaker was the one who was set up that clip. What do you mean you got the exact number from the documentary? I just feel like I know the answer to this. Because you watched the DACA years ago. Seven years ago. That's fine.

If you remember that, then half of you. Yeah, yeah. How heavy, it was how heavy he was when he wrestled Hulk Hogan? In 1987, in WrestleMania. Man. Okay. I'm ready. All right.

I guess. Three, two, one. $5. $5.50. What did you say, D.K.? I said $4.50. Fuck. I said $4.40.

Because it's what they list him at. You know what I mean? It's not like the real. It's like what they listed him at. God damn. He was huge. The answer is, again, this is like a listed WWW weight. So, you know, it's like, I know Washington's, but in reverse.

He's, oh, my God, he's listed at 520. Yeah, baby. I said 512. Whoa. Damn, what that, Craig. I don't know why, but I think I knew that he was over 500. And that was what people used to say is that he weighed over 500 pounds. And that was like, weighing it over 500 pounds.

Oh, that's pretty good. Craig, I let you win because we need, me and you together just need a comeback. Dude, I got two in a row. I know, that's what I'm saying. We can't get back to cheating. We can't keep splitting shit. It's all Craig from here on out. And I'm definitely letting Craig win.

Thank you. Craig, yeah, you get middle meet. Craig, you get Brenton Strange. D.K., you're next. Okay, let's see here. You get Gisicky. Yeah, I'll take Gisci. Yeah, I'll take Gisci.

Colson Lleyn's out there. Yeah, Colson Lovlin, I hate that he's playing the Eagles this week. But, I mean, Colson Lovlin's probably the best one. The other one, I keep, dude, I kind of think Mason Taylor for the Jets. This isn't based on math or numbers. I just think that the Ravens are a tough matchup. And I just think Mason Taylor,

they're playing the Falcons this week. And then it's like Miami and third most points to tight ends. Jacksonville is the second most. It's like the Jets schedule. I mean, the Jets are the Jets, but I still kind of think Mason Taylor might be a perfectly serviceable, weirdly fine, tight end the rest of the way.

Yeah. Also, Taysam Hill, which is funny. But Alvin Kamara being hurt, you could add Devin Neal, but part of me just thinks Taysam Hill will just, the reaction at Camer being hurt will be that Tason Hill is going to be the goal line back. Yeah.

Which it's a little dice. If you're in a deeper league, you can do that. It's a little dicey to roll your dice to actually bet on it with the playoffs on the line. Yeah, he had 10 carries this week. I guess I'll take Colson Loveland because he's literally like a first round pick that's playing now for the Bears. But I was through Lovelin, Mason Taylor, and then Tace him Hill. Like, I don't want to be. So you're taking Lovelin.

I'll do Loveland, yeah. The other dart throws here to talk about real quick are Darren Waller opened up his 21-day practice window today. He's a stash. He got hurt. He might not play this week. but well i guess actually i don't like playing guys off injured reserve but darren wall retired for a year played 30 snaps and caught two touchdowns so i guess she's constantly catching touchdowns um colby parkinson for the rams has caught a touchdown in three straight games uh tyler higby's on i rams love to

use three tight-end sets and parkinson is kind of the number one of that group now um gunner helm for the titans this is more of like a dynasty thing but he's starting to be a bigger thing for this titan's offense he led the titans in receiving this last game and i heard on daniel jeremy Jeremiah was talking on his podcast and he was like sort of insinuating through sources that they absolutely love Gunner Helm in Tennessee and want to make him a bigger part of their offense. So this is more like of a dynasty thing. But I've always kind of like Gunnar Helm. He's just he's not super super explosive, but he's a good player, good hands.

Can run after the catch that stuff. Quarterback, if you need one this week, I feel like there's a few. Cam Ward. And again, check next week. I mean, Brock Purdy throwing these picks. There's players on bike and week 142. Cam Ward 24 points last week versus the Jaguars. And if that sounds crazy,

I kind of think Tarad Taylor is going to be a fine fantasy quarterback. Like even though he's 35, he's like mobile enough, play the Falcons again, not great defense is coming up. Aaron Rogers, I'm like, until he plays,

I kind of don't want to, I don't know. It's like weird. Obviously, any week Jackson Dart misses James Winston's live, but I feel like Dart might be back. But without, it goes without saying James Winston is playable.

If Jackson Dart does miss time. But I think I would actually, if I had picked someone this week, I would actually pick to Rod Taylor for the Jets. This is, no one cares about our leagues. I have a league that I started in Superflex. I started Jacoby, Reset, and James Winston, and they scored like 55 points for me.

And it was glorious. I love fantasy. It's the best. Dumb fucking school. That's stupid. Meanwhile, I play Lamar Jackson and Brock Purdy. Yeah, he scores seven. Defenses, there's a ton.

Chargers are coming off a buy. So I think defense is coming off a buy. Like, they're always available. honestly. Geno, they're playing the Raiders this week. Gino Smith's sack 10 times.

Chip Kelly got fired. And I just think charged defense off a bye against the division rival who just fired their coordinator because they can't stop giving up sacks. I just think that's pretty good.

Jaguars are playing the Titans this week. I just think that's also like, I know we just said Cam Ward's playing better, but I'm like, he's still, like he's still really struggling.

And I just think the Jaguars, again, the Jaguers defense, they're getting after the quarterback enough that Cam Ward is always maybe going to be able to throw a pick six. Cardinals defense, if Baker Mayfield is out for the Bucks and Teddy Bridgewater is playing,

I love Teddy Bridgewater. I don't want to root against them, but the Cardinals defense, I mean, they had 17 points like last week. I think you could do a lot worse than the Cardinals defense against Teddy Bridgewater with the bucks banged up. Similarly, San Francisco's defense, I don't think is awesome, but they're playing the Browns. And if Shadur is the quarterback, that is also just a mid-defense that could rack up a ton of points because Shadur, you know, the Browns got a 14-point lead very quickly on the

Raiders. but if the Niners do put up points on Cleveland, and Cleveland's defense is really good and has played them well. But if Shudor has to play from behind, there's going to be a lot of sacks there too. The Colts defense is probably available because they played the Chiefs, and the Colts D versus the Texans,

it's still Davis Mills. I think that's very live. And if you really, if somehow the Chargers, the Jaguars, the Cardinals, the Colts and the Niners are all not available, which seems impossible. If you really want to live dangerously,

a small part of me wonders about the Vikings versus the Seahawks, which is insane because the Seahawks's offense is so good. And yet I come. kind of can't stop thinking about Sam Donald playing Minnesota next week and if he's going to actually, like Brian Flores is going to put him in hell. But probably I would take the other

six defenses I listed first. Yeah. And also we don't talk about kickers in the show, but you know what? If you made the playoffs, get some indoor kickers. Get the indoor guys. Get the indoor boys.

Hmm. Just smart. Just don't, just like, it's a month out. It's hard to, if you have a first round by, if you're going to make the playoffs, just grab the guy,

grab Jake Bates if someone cut him. Like, just grab people who are going to be playing in domes. Just don't let the fucking... You're like, oh, I have a good kicker. And then they're like, oh, and they're in Cleveland and it's like 25 degrees.

55 mile a wind. Get guys in domes. All right. Want to use some emails? Emails? Yeah, one last thing. According to Hulk Hogan himself, even though Andre the Giant was billed at 525 pounds,

Hulk Hogan said he was 660. Six? I don't... There's no chance that that's true. Oh, my Lord. The idea that the WWE would have like made him way less instead of more seems impossible. He was impossible.

Two plus versions of Darnell Washington. Two Darnel Washington. It's like two Tess Johnson's is one Darno Washington and two Darno Washington's one, one on to the giant. Dude, Hogan picks him up in that fight. Well, he doesn't actually weigh the 540, 520. You don't think he even weighs the 520? No. Do you think the WWE listed weight is real?

I think he weighs over 500 pounds. I don't think he weighs over. I think they said he weighs over 500 pounds because it sounds cool. Hulk Hogan said he was 660. He lied. By 200? Not to besmirch the dead. Yes. Nah, I bet he was not to besmirch the dead here, but yeah. I think we can besmirch.

He also drank 100 beers. Why? I'm comfortable besmirching Hulk Hogan. Well, Hulk Hogan picked him up. So he just called the story. Every 40 years he had to, one pound to the story. I think he was over 500 pounds. Literally, my question to you is this simple. Why would Vince McMahon be like, I got a wrestler

weighs over 600, but we're going to cut it by 100 pounds? I understand that. Hulk has ever reason to inflate that. I'm saying, I think the 520 is real, and I think he was over 500 pounds. You guys don't believe that. I don't care. I mean, well, I do care, but I can't prove anything. Shaquille O'Neal said he was like 420 pounds while playing in the NBA. Andre the Giant, I would think, was much heavier than Shaquille O'Neal. Andre the Giant I mean he probably weighed 400 pounds just in his solar plexus

like his fucking chest is massive The Shaq thing is compelling Dude he was 500 pounds Go look at pictures of Andre the Giant Hyphitz Okay You're right He is a large human

Shack is a weirdly good Shack said he was 400 pounds Yeah Shaq played at 420 I think he said All right then yeah I made this guy Andrejah was probably 5 Yeah you're probably right All right

cool good for Andrejit well He makes these other wrestlers look tiny. I mean, dude, Hulk Hogan was like 6-8. Dude, you ever seen that photo of Yao Ming and J.J. Watt? No. He makes J.J. Watt look like he's like an eighth grader. He's wearing like Carter shorts and a Nike shirt.

And Yao Ming just makes J.J. Watt literally look like he's 12. And he was like the defensive player of the year. Yeah, man, all those photos are so. Like, what? Looking at all the Wembe photos now look fake. Everything, everything Wembe does looks like I'm watching an AI video. Yeah, it does. It does look ridiculous.

Oh, my God. All right. Emails here. What are we going to do here? Oh, this is from Rob. Robay. Arbonne. Breakfast, black coffee, dark chocolate, and a dark chocolate and almond granola bar and a Casey's gas station pizza slice.

Casey? I don't know Casey. I don't know. But it's, he got a pizza slice and a granola bar. He had me in the first half. Not going to lie. Yeah. Same.

Anyway, so Rob was writing about how I, my thing about how I think if you underhand throw football, it should be a fumble. and Rob agreed and I think he nailed it. He said, because again, I wasn't saying sidearm is a throw, shovel pass a throw, but if you're like underhanding a pass, it's not a throw. And Rob writes, the underhand throw in football should be ruled like a bunt

with two strikes, which if you hit it fair is fine, but if you hit it foul, it's a strikeout. Oh, if it's an incomplete pass, what does that mean? It's a turnover? Like, if you throw it, it's fine, but if it's incomplete, it's a fumble.

If you're underhand, handing it, that is a live ball. That's what you said. Yes, but I think the, but I think treating it like a bun with two strikes. Comparing it to a bunts is interesting. Yeah. Perfect example of one of the other major sports has a thing that's like, yeah, you can punt, but like that's not what a hitting, that's not hitting.

And so we're going to treat it differently. And I actually feel more confident now the fact that even baseball, literally 120 years ago, baseball was like, no, you can't do it like that. It doesn't count. Like that's a little different. Are you, so you're saying, that they should outlaw, like, the underhand shovel passes that you see Mahomes do all the time,

or the pop passes, or whatever they're called. I'm saying if you underhand a pass. Where, like, a guy's running side, he's doing like a jet sweep and you just... He's saying if it's dropped, it's a fumble. No, I'm saying, but it's not, no, the, the, touch passes, no, because if you're, that is, that's a shovel pass.

They're doing it underhand. They're kind of going, they're, like, flipping it underhand. No, it's not underhand. Underhand is, like, Drew, the shovel pass, that, even just a little touch, like, that's not, but I'm talking like what Tyler Shuck did this week, underhand, like closer to a bowling form. Yeah, but Mahomes will do that sometimes on like shovel passes.

Yeah, and if they miss it, that's a fumble. I think this is very niche. You threw it underhand and that's ridiculous. Very niche and I don't care. I got no problem with it. It's like a softball toss, you know? Exactly. If you softball toss it, like that's a fumble if you miss.

Why and why do you think that is not a real pass? because I just watched it and was like, that's wrong. That should not be an incomplete pass. It's a fumble. Why does it feel wrong? Is it not masculine enough for you? You're the one who brought up softball. Well, you tell me, you said it feels wrong.

Why does it feel wrong? What feels wrong about it? Because it's not a throw. Why? Because... I'm with Craig. It's a fumble. It's just like, why?

If you're throwing a ball forward, underhanded, that just has more... What about a sideways? What about sideways? That sideways is fine. Flipping it. In baseball, they underhand the ball all the time.

Do you not like that? Well, if you drop it, it's a loose ball, isn't it? That's the case no matter what kind of. Baseball has wildly different rules. Pitchers underhand the ball the first, second basement, and short stops underhand the ball to each other. Is that not? I'm not making a logical argument.

I'm saying that when I watched it, I'm like, that's just a should be a fumble. Like, if you just, like, you're getting sacked and you're like throwing, like the idea that when you throw it at the, like, a running back, there on a screen who's blocking and they're like, oh, you threw it at his feet. It's fine. Like, okay, we all, but the idea that you can just underhand toss it at his fucking feet and that's not a fumble is crazy. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to get you to say it looks girly, but you won't do it, so it's fine. It's not what I'm saying. I think softball is ridiculous.

What? And it's because I'm a feminist. The sport of softball. Softball is ridiculous. Women should play baseball. You know what's weird is that women play softball. even though it's the only sport where women replaced men and played professional baseball and it was really popular. Like literally the whole thing like, oh, could Lisa Leslie play in the NBA or whatever?

It's like, we literally had women play pro baseball. Yeah, League of their own. And then they stopped. And the reason is one guy who ran Little League baseball in the 70s didn't want women to play baseball anymore. He wanted to kind of like gender separate the sports. And all the high schools in America

took their formal recommendations from Little League. and this one guy kind of made it his crusade to get women out of baseball and he won and he just create basically with Title IX he like created softball and he split women off from baseball in the 70s. But like it's kind of like I don't know

it's weird that women can't play baseball like they literally played professional baseball already. Devil's advocate isn't it more, isn't it better for your shoulder and elbow to pitch the way that women pitch? And also it's kind of sick

that the ball goes up. It's cool. No, I'm not, I'm trying to fucking hit that shit. I'm saying it's weird that we live in a world where one guy kind of just separated. It's the one guy was weirdly powerful and separated it. You could do both.

You could do either. Danny Hyford's feminist icon. I'm just saying. It's like the Robert Moses of youth sports, man. It's unbelievable. Sure. Yeah. I just wanted you to say that you thought it was kind of an ick when you saw men throwing

them all underhand. I think that's ultimately what happened. That is what he's saying. He's just not saying it. It's an ick that a professional quarterback could just do that. I'm like, that's not a fumble, though. I threw that. If you unpack what he means by it's an ick watching a quarter,

we could get there, but we don't have to. Sorry. Can't get me. I'm the gingerbread man. Oh, I dodged it. You see that softball point I made? What else we got? Speaking of feminism.

So we were talking about strip clubs the other day. Speaking of feminism. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah. We were talking about how there should be a strip club named the restaurant in Vegas. There probably is, right? I'm sure. Well, we got an email from Dan. Devowed.

Apparently this exists in Washington, D.C. Apparently. So, Dan, yeah, sorry, this is Dan H. The jig is up. That's crazy. Dan H. It's a Spotify email address. That's so weird.

It says, you mentioned the genius idea of naming a strip club, the restaurant. In D.C., there is literally Crystal City, which is like in D.C., basically. It's like, Crystal City. It is. It sounds lovely. I know. No, it's a whole thing. But Crystal City.

there is a honest to God strip club in Arlington, Virginia, named the restaurant in Crystal City. Wow. And Dan writes, I theorized that they named it this to disguise credit card charges, as you all suggested. But the drawback is there are a lot of stories of people stopping by the club with their families thinking it was a restaurant near the airport.

And it's not. So I looked up up. Well, it probably does serve food, wouldn't you think? It probably does serve food. And so I looked it up, and it is a 20-minute walk from baggage claim. at Reagan Airport, D.C., and it's literally called the restaurant.

And they have the schedule, which I didn't know strip clubs did this. My Fitz was doing this for strictly research purposes. Yeah, so will they close on Thanksgiving? I'll be down soon, honey. Do you want to know who's on today with this? Monday? Don't come in here.

I'm buying your Christmas gift. Today is there's poison, Scarlet, Charlotte, Mo Mo Mo, Lily, Jessica, Wednesday, Malia, Merry Cat, Birthday, Lira, Carmendi, Jet, Melissa, Jamie, and Jay, also April. Okay. And I just thought it was funny that there's a schedule. Yeah, I mean, you need to know who's working. What servers are going to be there?

Your favorite server. Maybe this is obvious. I didn't know. The restaurant. 20 minutes. He really did the map search to see how far away it was from the airport. If it's clear your cash, clear your history. Well, the cat, I mean, the whole reason you do this is you name it the restaurant is because

they take card. That's like that that's the whole advantage they have. Yeah. So good name. I stand by. Is there another name that? I want to see someone trying to expense that shit. Another idea that we thought we invented that is already done and thriving.

Should we call it? It's hard to come up with completely original shit, you guys. Yeah, what's a better version of the restaurant? I know, right? Because if you, if you want to deter families from. showing up unknowingly. Home Depot. But spell it. Spell it. It needs to be somewhere that you can be at night and get away with it.

You're not going to be at Home Depot at 11 p.m. The movie theater. The golf range. Movie theater is not the worst thing I've ever heard. You were in there for an hour and a half? Yeah. It's called like AMD theaters. And you're like, okay, I guess you must see the movie.

These concessions are killing me. They don't take credit cards. They just got a bunch of ones. They only take one. Why are you covered in butter? Oh, it's the popcorn. Oh, this is good. There's some, there's legs here.

The movie theater one's not terrible. I went to the movie theater. I said, the movies. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, regal. I was at Regal Cinema. R-E-G-L-E. Something there.

Yeah. That's not bad. The strippers dress like movie characters, you know, Who knows? Okay, now we're talking. Now we're really talking. Now we maybe we should cut this and actually flesh this idea. You know, that's pretty good.

That's actually a really good idea. The most like, yeah, all of the characters that you grew up when you were a teenage boy, all like the, you know. It's like Disney World, but for a strip club. It's just like movie, you know, it's like a real cinematic universe. It's like Dune themed. And then you got, you got some guy doing the Trump worm. The Ben-A-Jeserate. Nasty women.

It's Dune-themed. Wait, there's a guy doing the Trump. Yeah, the guy working the door is dressed as the Dune. Also, the buckets work for multiple things. What to go in? That's true. I don't know if they would work for multiple. Maybe it's just one thing.

If you can actually buy concessions. Hey, honey, sorry, I'm going to the movie. I'm going to see Dune again with the guys. Got to take my bucket. Regal Skinima. Austin wrote the article on the Dune Bucket for what it's worth. So go check that out. The Dunacy.

Things I did with a Dune popcorn bucket. For those that don't know, it looks just like a flashlight. Google that if you don't know what that is. Craig and Heifitz were like, I'm not saying anything. Look, there's something to the movie theater strip club idea. I'm actually worried someone will take this idea and become a billionaire. It's guaranteed it's already taken. Yeah, it probably is.

Yeah, you're probably right. I wonder what like the most coveted, the most desired roles It would have been Star Wars. Princess Leia? Yeah. Princess Leia is up there for sure. Princess Leia. Layia?

Yeah, what are some other, yeah, what are the other good movies? Austin just texted. 22 things I did with the Dune 2 popcorn. 22. I think he tried, I remember him talking to him about And you tried to name it 22 things I did to the Dune 2 popcorn bucket, but then they had to change it. The first one he wrote is gift your mom flowers on Mother's Day, which should be a crime. Oh, shit.

One of them is take communion with the bucket. Why not? The kids are calling it nowadays. Novelty earn. God. Austin was really cooking. Yeah. Finally try an at-home fondue dinner.

Baptize a baby. The baby's headed. Edward Forty hands at a frat party, not about it. That's actually really good. You guys ever done that? I've done, no, I've done it where we duct tape hands together with a 40, and then together you have to finish the 40s. Two hands to 1.40?

Right. Oh, yeah. Instead of each drinking 2 40s, this was like not. Isn't that? What's the difference? One is 80 ounces, one is 40. You're drinking less. Oh, oh, like your tightness. Okay, got it, got it.

I've done the team thing. I've done a 40 in each hand duct taped. Ostensibly, you have to drink the entire thing before you go the bathroom. Correct. Before you have to be. That's the hardest part. Right. Or you got to get your boys.

You drink 80 ounces? Yeah. Good God, man. Yeah. How much can your bladder even hold? Andre the Giant over here. Or you got to get to. at your boys to help you, you know? Yeah.

Careful. Do a little help here? Yeah. I got a tinkle. Help me shimmy these jeans down so I can pee, for Christ's sake. That's friendship. It is. I help you. I scratch your back. You scratch mine. That's what it's all about. Yeah. What a crazy time we used to live in in our 20s.

But yeah, like a few years ago? No, I did that in college. That was 10 years ago. At least. I remember those days. Yeah. Good times. Anyway. I'm hearing back then. Now I have taxes.

We're going to have power hour this week. We'll have a preview for Thanksgiving. So we will have that. And then we'll have a normal schedule rest of the season. And Craig is in the middle of this like, why are you giving a scheduling update right now? I don't know. I just thought it would be helpful.

I can see Craig's skepticism. No, no. We're going to do power hour Wednesday, our typical time. And then we're going to do a preview on Friday that we'll tape a little bit earlier. advance because we're not going to table on Thanksgiving Day. But yeah, the same old fun coming at you.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, everybody. And, of course. Thank you, Lord.

Lord. Thank you, Leroux. Oh, yeah. Do they say bulletproof? Yes. I don't know. Nice, Craig. Nice.

Thank you. Bulletproof this time, baby. Bullet Proof One of that One was that song? Well, I remember I have a hard time placing the times out of that.

I remember it was big in that movie Pitch Perfect, so it had to come out before then. I don't know if it was like an old song It came back. Yeah, let me see, let me see. They were formed in 2008. It was 09 that song. Yeah, right around Pitch Perfect.

It's a good movie Pitch Perfect. 2012. I've seen Pitch Perfect multiple times that have no memory of this song. See, that is one of the first. of those movies that, like, to Bill's generation, not a rewatchable, but those are the movies that I feel like, if it's people of our generation are like, I've seen pitch perfect 10 times. Oh, yeah.

Do you remember the Cups song, Craig? Like five times. I don't know why. What? Do you remember the Cups song that Anna Kendrick saying? Oh, the Cubs song was everywhere. The Cups song was. Yeah.

And I sure would like some sweet company. You're going to miss me when I'm gone. Oh, yeah. The Cup thing. That was like a thing, whether you could do it or not. The Cup thing? It was like the soldier, it was like the, oh, please. It was like the soldier boy dance and people can't dance.

It was kind of like you do the cup thing. It was like the what? The soldier boy dance, but, you know, it's just like, well, I'm not going to learn to Dougie, but I do the cup thing. Is it where you're like making like little noises with the cups? Is that what you mean? It's like a hand, it's like a hand dance with the cup. Right.

It's like a routine. It was like a pyramid cups. And you're like moving. Well, I'm just having a hard time remembering exactly what that is. is. Yeah. You're like tapping the cup and moving it around. It's like a little thing.

By the way, this game, this game that's happening right now, the Panthers 4-9ers, terrible. Another primetime banger. When are we getting, the Thanksgiving,

the penance is the Thanksgiving games are good. That's the problem. They're great. Bryce Young has 28 yards in the third quarter. What is with this guy? We had a 4-408 yards the other day. And Brock Pretty has three picks. That need to be sunsetted.

The leading receiver right now on the Panthers is Jetavian Sanders with six yards. Price Young, you know what, we'll have to do this on another show. We'll do it. We'll do it. Okay. Oh, wait. We already did the Lauren thing.

Yeah, we think Leroux. Where did Leroux come from? Who is Leroux? I've heard that song recently, Craig. The bulletproof song, yeah. That's a good song. Are they like Swedish or something? They're not, I feel like you're not American. They're an English synth-pop act formed in 2008. Ellie Jackson and record producer

Ben Langmaid Got it. There you go. What's La Rue mean in French? The Rue. The street? I don't know. I mean it's just street.

Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, the redhead? Apparently it means the red-haired one. High-Fitz, Rue is also a road, but it's spelled differently. Oh, I believe. Rue is R-U-E in French. The way this is spelled as R-O-U-X. Am I saying it right?

Yeah, La Rue. Yeah. Okay. LaRouques. Get your LaRuques off. Not my friends. We'll see you guys. We'll see you guys Wednesday.

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