The Ringer NFL Show - Week 14 and the End-of-the-Fantasy-Regular-Season Awards

Episode Date: December 13, 2021

We recap the final week of the fantasy regular-season slate by giving out awards like the Mariano Rivera “Closer” Award, the Rock and a Hard Place Award, the Red Notice Award, the Instant Karma Award, and more. Later we induct our final player into the 2021 Fantasy Burn Book  Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey everybody, this is Warren Sharp, NFL analyst over at Sharp Football Analysis. I want to welcome you to The Ringer Gambling Show. Join me on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays each week during the NFL season with guests Chris Vernon, Ben Solack, and Joe House to guide you through the NFL betting landscape. We'll be talking spreads, game totals, parlays, player props, futures, and much, much more. Be sure to follow the Ringer Gambling Show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. For your fantasy football show, my name is Danny Hightfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldbeck.

It is Sunday of week 14. It is done. We're giving out awards. This was crunch time, D.K. Playoff spots were on the line. Yeah, big time, big time. I got to tell you this Sunday night game where Aaron Jones keeps sniping A.J. Dillon. I'm telling a little.

I'll be honest. I'm not feeling great. It's screwing. D.K. is struggling to figure out how he's going to pay his bookie. An ankle or two might be snapped tonight. Yeah, it's not great. I'm going to get kneecapped. Although I will say these games,

this Sunday night game has been good. Great. It's been so good. The afternoon slate games finished awesome. That was a lot of fun. So can't really complain too much. How do you guys feel? I mean, fantasy, regular season is over.

You just complained unfettered. Well, I can't complain too much. I'll stop complaining now, is what I'm saying. Did you guys hear my question from before? Fantasy's over. Regular season's over. How do we feel? feel about it. I was kind of waiting for hi-fits-s-answered that. We made it through the fantasy

regular season. D.K. was complaining so much that this entire season finished and he didn't realize. Okay. The fantasy regular season is over. And as Craig just mentioned twice, we are off the rails already. This is what happens when we record during Senate of Football. Well, there's like four minutes left in the game, all right? That's not a big deal. But, you know, when push comes to shove and it's down to the wire in your fantasy regular season, you need a closer to come in and win you the game. To win you, a spot in the playoffs. So we're starting off with the Mariana Rivera Award. And I'm going to give it to fastball. Yeah, this is the cutter. 92 bottom right. Just paint in the corner. Tom Brady. And you know what?

Not only is it just Tom Brady, it's Tom Brady in the first half, man. Yeah. Tom Brady had 20 fantasy points in the first half, which was more than Matt Ryan, Dak, Derek Carr, Baker, or Ryan Daniel had in the entire game today. And Brady does this all the time. It seems that he, He has full game lines at half pretty much every week now. He was 19 for 26, 200 yards, two touchdowns at half. That's a full game. And he's doing that all the time. Playing with house money, man.

It's so much fun when you're, whoever it is. Whether it's Brady or like a skill player, it's like when anybody has a huge first half, it's like, oh, I can just enjoy the second half. I don't have to worry. I don't have to stress about every touch. This is just great. It's the piece of mind. You can't put a price on the piece of mind you get from,

like, oh, I have 18 points in the first quarter. Yeah, it's wonderful. And just, I mean, Brady's been this way all season, but he's finishing really strong. And whoever had him this week, he probably got you a playoff berth. Brady also just has been such an incredible value this season. Like, Brady, Josh Allen and Justin Herbert are all now.

Basically, they're all virtually just tied as the QB1. Like, it's close enough that it doesn't matter. Like, they're all number one. But, like, Brady was being drafted basically 70th overall this season. And like, the, and now he has, like, almost 60 points over the last two weeks. I mean, it's Mariana coming in to pitch the eighth, basically, except he also started the game. I don't know how to explain it really in baseball terms.

We're really like stretching this. It's like he closed 162 games. He just closes every game. He never takes any days on. He's a seven-dhing stretch, if you will. Speaking of stretches, the other Mariana Rivera was Dalvin freaking Cook on Thursday night, like this was a few days ago, but throwback to Thursday when Dalvin Cook played, even though we thought

he was going to be out, and then somehow they're like, yeah, he dislocated his shoulder like 10 days ago. It's fine. He's going to play. Which, we didn't know what the hell was going to do. Like, you have to play him because it's Alvin Cook, but like, is he a decoy? Is this like, what was going on? He has 153 rushing yards and two touchdowns at half time. It's the most rushing yards in the first

half in Vikings franchise history. They had Adrian Peterson. This is classic. By the way, we got a lot of texts about Craig going to shout out, like, his prediction. but also didn't get published before the game, so it didn't really matter. But Craig's like, take those unders on Dow and Cook. He's heard. He's got a shoulder injury.

To be fair, we all agreed on it. And we were like, we have no idea what to do with Madison and Cook. I guess you either got to play both, sit both. We don't know. I think what we've learned is anytime somebody has a borderline season ending injury and they're playing 10 days later and they're questionable as a game time decision, you've got to play that person. I guess that's what we learned.

Yeah, that's the lesson right there. That's the lesson. Anytime you think maybe I shouldn't play this guy, that's exactly when you should play him. 27 points at a half time he finished with 205 yards. The Steelers look like they had nine guys on defense. I don't know what was going on. Did you see some of the holes he was running through?

It was like 10 feet wide. Dude, he had like, there was like a point in the first quarter where he had like five rushes for 90 yards. But he never had like a, he didn't have one big run. They were all exactly 20. It was like college. He was literally averaging 20 yards. What's the opposite of an ad? What's the opposite of an advertisement?

Is it a PSA, the opposite of an advertisement? I don't know. Is it? Because I thought that was a PSA for Thursday of football. Like that went beyond the Steelers being bad and I thought that was like, this is what three years ago it was like when all the players kept complaining. Like, we can't play Thursday night of football in December. I flashed back to that Seahawks game that ended the Legion of Boom when Richard Sherman got hurt and all these guys.

I was like, these Steelers guys are exhausted. Oh, yeah. They were winded. The Ravens game on Sunday. On Flying Coach, so we would get listener emails and I would sift through them and pick the best ones. Every once in a while, here's a little insight. I would make up a guy's name and just ask a question I was curious about because I thought I had some good questions.

But one of them was talking about Thursday night football and I was like, how do you feel about it? Is there anything good that can come away from it? How do you prepare? And he was basically just like, I despise Thursday night football. It's awful. I wish it was never a thing. It's miserable. I hate it.

Take it away, please. Yeah. I mean, imagine the things, like how much stuff you have to prepare for as a coach. Like everything is sped up so, so much insane. I can't even believe they do it. Imagine if you had a giant. group project at your job and you have a week to do it every week. And then suddenly they're like, you have two and a half days. Yeah, he essentially said you have to start preparing the week before.

Like you have to like prepare for two games at once. That's not great. No. That's what's nice. You can start preparing your body for like, you know, the thing that hasn't happened yet. You know, just like start, you know, it's really easy. Yeah. Okay. Other Mariana Rivera's. Yeah, one more guy in this category. Let's talk about George Kittle of the 49ers. Just absolutely going off the last couple of weeks. catches, 151 yards, touchdown in this game against the Bengals, 34 points. Last week, and this is like coming off of another huge

week. Last week, he was 9, 181 and a touchdown. His target rate this last two games? 38%. 27 targets on 71 passes. That is incredible. I don't know. The guy is just like one of the best tight ends number one. In the last two weeks.

In the NFL. Like, he's just incredible. Yeah, sorry, that was the 38% share in the last two weeks. he has come on so strong. He's a big part of the reason I think that the 49ers are one of those frisky teams in the NFC.

Debo's back. This team has just a bunch of really unique playmakers and Kittle, I think, is sort of in that rarefied air where he's just not only the best player in real life,

but now he's turning into one of the best fantasy players too. There was this number from statemuses I found on Twitter that, so George Kittles had four games with 150 receiving yards and a touchdown.

which broke the record for the most of those games by a tie-in and NFL history. Wow. That's crazy. And also just having, what does he have, almost 70 fantasy points in the last two weeks

of the fantasy regular season? Like, it's legendary. Also, the touchdown he had before halftime was so absurdly athletic. If you guys are like as fun to watch in real life as they are to having fantasy and kiddle's on that list. Yeah, if you got to this point

where you can make the playoffs while, like, suffering through what it's like to have Kittle on your team, then it paid off. Like this is how good it can be, enjoy it while you have it. But the tough part is, is he may have been so rough

to begin the year that you might not even be in a spot to make the playoffs for them. But if you are, then you're sitting pretty. All right, let's get going here. Cooper Cup Award for Player

you wish you had more of. Stick into the fantasy position, or sorry, the tight end position in fantasy. Mark Andrews for the Ravens. I feel like he's been a Glansberg this season for us. We haven't really talked about

a whole lot for whatever reason. but 11 catches for 115 yards in a touchdown today, 28 fantasy points. And then he overtook Kelsey because Kelsey had his second straight, like kind of quiet week. And now for the first time, so like for the first time since 2016,

so Kelsey has been the overall tie of one, five straight seasons. Andrews might actually dethrone him this year. I almost like hadn't even realized how good Andrews was doing this year. Like it really hadn't sort of dawned on me that Kelsey might not be the tight end one, but here we are.

Andrews is in, he's in first place. And just the way that they've been utilizing him, the volume he's been getting, the way the Chief's offense has been kind of hit or miss lately. Like, there's a shot that he could really be the overall tight end one this year.

Yeah, so coming into this week, Travis Kelsey was the first overall tight end by seven points to Mark Andrews. And, you know, Travis Kelsey had another dud day. Do you guys know who the tight end number three is on the entire year? So it's Kelsey one, Mark Andrews two, even though after this week it'll be opposite.

Who do you think's number three? If you say Pat Fryman, I'm going to lose my mind. It's T.J. Hawkinson. Like, has T.J. Hawkinson had a single, notable week in fantasy football? He's the died in three? We haven't said his name once, except I remember we had one. It was the D.B. Cooper wore. Is Gisicki 4?

It had zero catches. No, George Kittles 4. And Dalton Schultz is 5. I feel like in points per game, Dolson Knox is really high. If you include, like, the replacement you had for Dalsa Knox, realistically, he's in the top five. Yeah, he probably is. regardless of Mark Andrews had a weird ass day

because Lamar Jackson got hurt and when Lamar Jackson got hurt Mark Andrews had four receiving yards and then after Lamar left he had another 111 receiving yards from Mark Andrews like how does that happen Lamar Jackson gets hurt

and you're thinking like oh all this game is over for Baltimore and then Tyler Huntley played as good if not better than Lamar did not really but kind of I mean we did that award a few weeks ago where remember Josh Jacobs had like nine catches and we did the deep fake award

Tyler Huntley was kind of deep faking as Lamar. Yeah. Right? Like, he brought Rashad Bateman back from the dead. Marquis Brown picked up. Mark Andrews went crazy.

Everybody kind of just played way better with Tyler Huntley in the game. It is weird that Rashad Bateman did have his best game in a long time. But is that, was that, I mean, I'm not actually saying Tyler Huntley's like outplayed Lamar. It's more like they were just, the Browns were just up by so much weirdly. And then I feel like they kind of played softer defense and Tyler Huntley. It's weird when it's garbage time, but then the game ends up being close at the end. Like, we don't have a word for that. There was like 10 of those games today.

Yeah. Yeah, like all these games were awful. And then the teams came back and then almost won and then didn't. And it's not garbage time if you almost win. And yet, like, we need, it's like recycling, I guess. That's really what we're talking about. It's good for the world. I need some compost time.

111 of these yards were compost time from our game. And yet, there they were. I kind of like that. Wow. All right. Okay. We need a new award this week. Speaking of compost.

Yeah. Okay. So the award I'm coming up with here is called the Rock and a Hard Place Award. And it's for Ezekiel Elliott, who I believe, if you will roster him on your team, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place because they're clearly not going to sit him, especially with Tony Pollard's planter for shiteous thing. Yeah. And Zeke is super hurt, clearly, visibly very hurt. Limping every other run off to the sideline, holding his back. his knees got like 10 pounds worth of wrapping around it he's like carrying a tree trunk down there

and he had eight points today last week he had nine then he had 13 week before that he had five I truly think this is what he's going to be the rest of the year however one Yahoo's going to mess with your brain because his projection will always say 15

and two it's like this is Zekyll Elliott and if you're in the playoffs are you not going to start Zekul Elliot on the Cowboys but I don't know what to do with him it's like I feel bad if I don't start him because I might be missing out on his talent and the offense.

But then you do start him and it's like, oh, he's hurt and he's going to get 12 carries for 40 yards. And I really, I just don't know what to do. I think you made an excellent point there that the projection will always be wrong and like screw with you. The Yahoo algorithm has no idea that Zika's hurt. Like Mike McCarthy said the day after Thanksgiving, he was concerned. Like he used the word concerned for Zeeke's health, not said all the time by coaches.

And they're like, yeah, I guess we'll rest them for the Saints game. They changed their mind. Jerry Jones is like, nope, full workload. And they haven't because now Tony Pollard's hurt. so they're afraid to give any workload else for us. So I guess Zique is just playing. But like, dude, you kind of have to pick up Corey Clement. Like, Corey Clement had more touches today than Zique did.

Yeah. And I mean, when Zik is this visibly banged up and they're saying they're concerned about him, Tony Pollard has this foot injury that is not going to probably get better in the month of December. Corey Clement is like the most important person you could pick up if you want to have someone who might randomly just be a starting running back for the Cowboys in week 16 or 17. What if this means they're just going to start passing more? You know what I mean? Because they have no running backs healthy?

Yeah, like Pollard is out. Elliot is clearly like hobbled. I mean, there's multiple times during the game where he's just, it looks like he was limping really bad, not like a little, like a lot. So, Dika, I think you're right, but DAC doesn't look right either. Like, I think that DAC was, Dak looked weird all game. And it was going to go under the radar. Then he threw that ridiculous pick six that brought Washington, that made a compost time,

that brought Washington back into the game when if he had just thrown under the dirt, there was no way Washington was going to score twice. But now Dak will be scrutinized. but he didn't look right the whole game. He hasn't looked totally right since he came back from this calf injury, to be honest. Yep. One of that's just, like, how it has something to do with his footwork or, like, his ability to plan and throw or what.

And he can't move. Like, he can't move around right now. Not that that's, like, a huge part of his game anymore, but it certainly affects things. And so everything just looks a little bit off. It's just like, you know, it's like playing like through a high ankle sprain or something. It's just like the explosiveness isn't there for him. So Dallas is playing at the Giants next week.

Like, I don't know what to do if I have Zeke. I'll tell you what to do. You just play the Cowboys defense against Mike Lennon. Well, I'm talking about if I have Zeke U. Elliott on my team, do I start him or not? That doesn't help. You should start the Cowboys defense at your running back slot. You probably outscored Zeke Elliott.

They probably would. I'm going to hit up Yahoo and see if I can do that. No, in all seriousness, I don't know what you do. Like, Zeke, honestly, it's more in the flex conversation, really. Like, if you have them, you probably have to play them because you might not have like three better options than a running back, running back flex than Zeke. but it is suddenly hard to expect more than like 13 points out of him.

Yeah, I don't really know what to do, to be honest. If you have like a Deontay-Forman type, it's like, I don't know, maybe that's more valuable than Zik at this point. Yeah, you're between a rock and a hard place. All right, I got to shift gears here for a second. I got to give out a new award too. The Instant Karma Award. I have never in all my life seen something backfire as quickly as the Raiders thing today. The Raiders had that huddle at midfield on the Chief's logo.

like the yeah like we're going to go and get them immediately give up a touchdown even though they were on offense they fumble and then the fumble six immediately first play and then it ends up being like 35 to 3 at halftime I have never ever ever ever ever seen something go wrong so quickly you know what it reminded me of you know the scene in the first Indiana Jones where he's off somewhere

and he runs into that massive guy and all the crowd surrounds around them to fight, and this dude is probably 6-9 and Harrison Ford's, you know, whatever size he has. And the guy pulls out the knife, and he's doing all the shit with a knife dancing around. And then Harrison Ford just pulls out his pistol, shoots him and walks away. That felt like with the Chiefs

said the Raiders. You know, the two games this season, the Chiefs had outscored the Raiders by 76 points in two games? Oh, my God. Wait, so I was so fascinated by this. I was like, I have to know why they did this. Because it's so dumb. And so I looked it up. So K.J. Wright, who's now on the Raiders. He's a linebacker for

him. He said, after the game, he said, it was spur of the moment, like referring, why do they huddle on the Raiders, and the chief's logo. He said, it was spur of the moment. One guy said, let's go. And we all got a ride together. So we all went out there together. We did it as a team and just gave them a little more motivation than we need to give them. Literally one guy was like, we're doing this. And they're like, oh, shit, we got to go with this guy. This guy, this guy just get like, what's the code redid? Like, you know, a few good man. Derek Car. basic, Derek Carr basically said the same thing. He was like, all I'll say is that we have to do everything as a team.

Is that like the, it's like the shortest guy in the friend group picking a fight with the biggest dude in the other friend's exactly. Yeah, they got a code. This guy's going to get code Reddit. It's unbelievable. Can you imagine after all the shit the Raiders have been through this season to sit there and be like, all right, let's go to the freaking logo? And then like three real time minutes later, they give up a touchdown.

Like, do it against Atlanta, you know? Don't do it against a team that, like, killed you in the last game. Oh, man. I just, I couldn't believe that. And also, wait, I don't want that to outshine the fact that they also still, I don't think they did the too high defense against the Chiefs either, right? Again, like, the Chiefs have literally been a below average offense to every team that does the too high. The Raiders don't have the personnel to do it or the Will, whatever.

They get, they're the only team that's gotten shredded by the Chiefs. Play them again a few weeks later, once again get shredded. and like it's like the Lucille blue thing or not sorry not Lucille when Tobias I think Craig mentioned this a few weeks ago like when Tobias and oh no what's her name Tobias's wife other Bluth

Oh Porsche Yeah yeah when they're like Porsche Dorasi and they're like you know This never works for any other couples And they're like but it could work for us And it's like that's the Raiders Not doing this defense Oh yeah Mike points out

Don't forget Gruden did the stupid bus thing last year, too. The bus thing? Mike, come on here. Oh, they circled the stadium and the bus. Oh, that was it, right. By the way, Mike's a Raiders fan. Mike's a Raiders fan.

Mike's a Raiders fan? Mike, get in here. Mike, get in here. Mike, explain yourself. Oh, my God. Dude, what the fuck is your team? Mike, what was worse? The bus thing or this? I thankfully couldn't watch today, so this wasn't too bad, but oh my God, do they like to make it hard for

themselves. Oh, they won the bus game, too. maybe that instilled some false confidence. And that she still bring that up too. Apparently Mahomes was like in the tunnel tonight. Like, remember the bus. Oh my God. They're all going to get tattoos.

Remember the bus. Like their new battle cry. Remember the bus. Oh, my God. Okay. Well, now they can try to forget the huddle. I don't know. That was insane.

Anyway, they deserved it. That was crazy. All right. Next award here. Okay, this is a new award. This is going to take a little bit of explaining. I feel like all of my things take a lot of explaining. The best kind.

The best theme with you. It means it's good. Greg. That's what they always say. If your jokes have to be explained, they're good. Yeah. Rule 1 of comedy, over-explained. All right, so this is called the Red Notice Award, and I'm awarding it to the Kansas City Chiefs.

And Red Notices, so there was a recent movie that just came out on Netflix called Red Notice, and it was starring The Rock, Ryan Reynolds, and Gal Godot. I actually didn't know the Rock is in this movie? Yeah, see, exactly. This is exactly my point. What? I have so many thoughts about Red Notice and the evolution of, like, movie stars. Anyway, I haven't heard of, is this like, am I getting, like, fired or banned from old movie podcast?

The Rock did a movie with Gal Gaddo? It just came out. And Ryan Reynolds. No, quite the opposite. It came out like a month ago on Netflix. And my whole, pretty much my whole thought is that, like, the movie star, like the mega, mega movie star is kind of dead now. And that, you know, in the 80s, the Sylvester Stallone made a movie. Literally, everyone saw it no matter what.

now if the rock, the biggest star in the planet, like Stallone was in the 80s, makes a movie, I'm almost less interested in seeing it because the rock is in it. Like, I don't like movies because the major, major star is in it because you kind of know it's just going to be bubble gum, going to be like pop. So I'm awarding this to the chiefs because on the outside, it's like, wow, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Tyree Kill. This is the red notice of teams. Oh, my God.

Yes. And then you get into it and you're like, oh, Travis Kelsey had five points today. Tyreek had nine. and they put up 48. Yeah. And this is kind of who the chiefs have been this year. They're lipstick on a pig. It's a formulaic action flick.

Everyone knows what's going to happen. But there's no substance to it. Yeah. You're saying because Tyree Kiel had like five points. And Travis Kills had five points. Meanwhile, Josh Gordon had a touchdown and Derek Gore was like a top 50 running back. Exactly. Yeah.

Derek Gore. Yeah, Derek Gore. Wait. Yeah, Derek Gore. Derek Gore. Craig, did you see Red Notice? No. What is it?

It's awesome. It's not. This is not, this is not Red Notice. It's not. This is the other guys because you think Sam Jackson and the Rock are in the movie. And then in like the second scene, they're like, aim for the bushes. And you're like, oh, shit, they're not in this.

And they die. And they're like, oh, 48-point movie. Oh, man, Rock is Sam Jackson. This would be great. You're like, oh, this movie's starring Derek Gore and Josh. You're like, oh, Kelsey Tired and do anything. Yeah. So anyway, there's my explanation.

Did it work? I mean, yeah, it took a while to get there, but I liked it. It was a good detour. Okay. I kind of... Yeah, it works. Thank you. Yes, and. Literally, that's what crossed the cross of my head.

I was like, I'm going to argue this, and he's going to give me shit for argument. My point is that they still seem flashy. We have it in our heads. We're anchored to the Chiefs of Old, right? And now they actually don't at all deliver like they used to. I thought you were going to say something about, like, I've never heard of this movie. And, like, never heard of the Chief scoring 48 points without Tyree Kilwood, Travis Kelsey doing anything. Well, I live in L.A., so it's hard to not know about a movie because there's just billboards constantly everywhere.

but all right yeah well we've already spent too much time in this Chiefs Raiders game but screw let's do it more I have to give some credit to someone that I have never wanted to admit is good at fantasy I forget fantasy I've never wanted to admit this person's good at football Hunter Renfro who looks or sounds or plays

nothing like Darren Waller and yet he has replaced Darren Waller's the number one guy in the Raiders offense like since Darren Warr got hurt Hunter Renfro has three straight hundred yard games to put that in context three straight hundred year games Like, he had 300-yard games in his first 39 games of his career. He had two, 200-yard games his first 39, and now he's three in his last three.

Like, this is ridiculous. And I kind of thought of Hunter Renfro as the single least athletic wide receiver in the NFL. And now I'm like, is he just great? He's pretty athletic. I think he's, he's, I don't know, like, how to explain this without sounding like a complete cliche. He's very quick. You know what I mean? But that's the thing.

Gritty. I felt like he was the cliche of like if you could, if the cliche about white slot receivers was like channeled in the energy and just became a human being. It was everything I've ever heard about Hunter Redfro. The grist, the winning of Clemson, like everything he's ever done like Gruden, like Gruden, literally calling him a Gruden grinder. I'm like, this guy probably isn't that good. And everyone's like, oh my God, the routes he does with his feet.

It's like he goes in and out and it's like a double fake. I'm like, he didn't invent double fakes. why does Hunter Renfro get credit for these routes that everyone else does do? He had a pretty good ISO route touchdown today. I know. He's good. I think he's good. I think you need to like just let that into your heart.

Like acknowledge it and move forward. Do I have to admit Hunter Renfro's good? And more importantly, do I have to like accept when every now every announcer now for the rest of his crew is going to be like, oh my God, look at that route? Like, is it actually a good route that he does? Yes. It is.

this isn't like an accident he's a good player I feel like I get it because look I saw him at the combine I'll never forget the first time I saw him at the combine I was like that guy

looks like the ball boy or someone that's like helping out like setting up the like the you know the combine stuff he paints the lines on the field yeah but he's a gamer dude he's just he's literally

he's just straight up he's just good man I don't know he's your dad's favorite player you have to come up with some words other than gamer and gritty and quick to describe this guy. Well, it's just because he's so different.

He just doesn't look like he'd be an explosive athlete, but he is. He's like skinny and he's like a short skinny guy. Don't you think that if he had a chiseled jawline and a better hairline, we wouldn't think any of this? Yeah, like if he looked like Julian Edelman or something, like no one would give a shit. I truly think if he has a strong jaw and a firmer hairline, none of us think any of this and we just think he's obviously all the memes

between him and D.K. Metcalf and he's just like quadrupled what D.K. Metcalfe has done over the last month in terms of production. D.K., I get that, like, obviously, based on the way he looks, you think he's a ballboy, but let's say he was just like a gray blob at the combine. Like, he was just a silhouette of a person and you were watching him run and move. Would you still think that or no? Yeah, because he kind of, the way he runs is sort of like, like, I don't even know. Like, it's not smooth, I would say.

No, that's the thing. It's not smooth. Like, that's supposed to be the whole thing for this kind of player. I don't know. Anyway. I saw him at the Combine. I saw him at the Senior Bowl. he had a big catch in the senior ball in the game,

like where he elevated and like went up and caught the ball over guys. Like, I don't know. He's just good at football. I don't care. Like, I understand like why it's funny and everything, but like we need to just accept it that he's actually good.

This is the I don't want to admit this guy's good award. And like, I'm admitting he's good. I just, I just can't believe that I'm going to have to hear about how this guy's routes are different than everyone else's routes for like the rest of his career. That's all. I'm accepting that.

I'm like, fine, whatever. I'll deal with it. All right. Let's move on. Fair enough, Hyphids. I got a new one for you. This is the old yellow award.

I'm not sure if I've ever done this one or not, but somebody needs to take these teams behind the woodshed and put them out of their misery. I can't stand watching the Jaguars right now. First of all, let's start with the Jags. I don't even know exactly where to start. Obviously, Urban Meyer is the big,

like the face of the franchise, the face of all the problems. This week, a report came out that he, basically went up in front of the whole team and was calling his assistant coach's losers and he's a winner they're losers you guys have to defend your resumes you have to tell us why your winners

blah blah blah basically like deflecting all the blame for why the jags suck this is adding to a laundry list of things that have happened in a very short like three quarters of a season that he's been here I made a list this is probably not even everything

he got investigated by the NFLPA for saying he'd cut unvaxed players He hired Strength Coach Chris Doyle who got run out of Iowa's program for being a racist basically. He resigned. The whole Tim Tebow. In like two days.

Yeah. How about splitting time with Lawrence and Minshu? Yeah. The QB competition where you could be giving your first overall pick generational QB prospects

some very valuable reps in training camp, the preseason, all that stuff. Instead, he decided to have this faux QB competition. Then they traded him

for a sixth round. rounder. It didn't even pay off. Wait, did you mention Tebow? Yeah, they signed Tebow, the whole Tebow debacle. And then, of course, this is the worst one in my mind. He didn't fly home with the team after a loss, went to a bar and was seen grinding on like a girl. Like the whole thing, this, like this has been objectively a disaster.

Like, I don't. In all fairness, pretty cool, it was his bar. Yeah. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Cool guy. I went to the Urban Meyer Pinethouse and please don't forget that when you walk

It wasn't the exact one apparently there's a few in Columbus Don't forget when you walk in Urban Meyer Pynhaus The first thing you see is this giant Portrait of him and his wife and I was like wow He's a family man He was literally doing this as his wife was like Literally there's a portrait of his wife overhead while this is happening But also don't forget that like

Not flying back on the plane is ridiculous Like people in the NFL are like I have never heard of a coach Not flying a plane And so they're already like what is going on that he had to like stay in Columbus with his like that's weird and then they saw the video and they're like oh anyway i think i don't know how much money he's got guaranteed my advice to shot con or whatever is making the ultimate decision i guess it is con would be

to cut your losses at this point because if you ruin trevor lawrence that's going to set your franchise back like a decade plus um or whatever i don't know maybe that's hyperbole but It's going to say your franchise back, like five years. Five years is super fair because Trevor Lawrence should be elevating the entire franchise. And he looks like he's straight up sucks right now. Like Lawrence has been really struggling. He has, I think, one touchdown in six games. Oh, my God.

It's bad. It's really bad. I don't think Trevor Lawrence. I don't think Trevor Lawrence sucks. I think it's, I think he's playing very poorly. But I think it's basically a confluence of all these variables, like the skill play. they got injuries. The coaching is terrible.

I've seen so many people talking about and writing in-depth articles about like how the concepts that they're using are just straight up bad. Maybe that's on Darrell Bevel. Maybe that is why, you know, Urban Myers calling these guys out. Maybe they do actually suck too. But Urban Meyer clearly has to go. Like this has to end. Well, so here's on this note, I want to throw something out here. I think Urban Meyer should go in the burn book.

Because he's destroyed a team. Like, he has sunk an NFL franchise that, like, we, there's only 32 of these teams we can get fantasy players from. And, like, I mean, he has turned one of them into an abyss. Yeah. I mean, there wasn't a whole lot to, there wasn't a whole lot there last year either. But like, at least you can have some garbage time fantasy production from these guys. It's like now, man, it's just like nothing. So, wait, explain to me why they can't just fire him to see if guaranteed money.

Is that why? So they're not like players. Like the NFL players, like a portion is guaranteed. And most of it's not like, if you. fire the coach, you still have to pay him. That's what, in college football, like, there's buyouts. Like, you have to, like, gather the money to fire him so that you can pay him the money you owe him. But, like, literally, you're paying him to go away.

When you pay, when you hire a coach, like Urban Meyer at a retirement, or he was retired, when you hire him in a retirement, probably got a big deal. And, like, to call that a sunk cost, when did the, the incident at the Urban Meyer Pinethouse happened, like, two, like six or seven weeks in the season, to call that investment a sunk cost, cost and pay him to leave, like basically six weeks into the season is like such a disaster. You almost have to calm down and be like, all right, maybe we can weather through this. But that's the real answer. It's like, they have to pay him to fire him.

And they're like, damn, like, let's just see if this turns around. Do you think he's back next year? I think that it's been so bad that maybe they'll eat the cost because it's, it, there's been so little progress. Again, we're now six weeks removed from the Urban Meyer Pinethouse thing. And they got shut out by the Titans who don't have any of the, they're good players. Ryan Tannenhill had 190 yards. They didn't have a running

back run for more than 47. And they lost 20 to zero. And he threw four, Trevor Lawrence threw four picks. Like the real question is what does Urban Myers say in the meeting where they're like, hey, like, why should we keep you? What does Urban Meyer say about the progress

they made this year as a team for Trevor Lawrence? Like, you have Trevor Lawrence in the media being like, why are we not playing James Robinson? He has to berate him on the sideline. And then in the media, your rookie quarterback, like, what does he have to say other than deflecting blame to other people? What does he say about the job he's done? There's nothing positive here. There's, like, is there two positive things about this team in the entire season? Like,

the defensive line, I guess is good. Defense has been decent, actually, I guess. Yeah. All right. Anyway, he just, it seems, I, I don't know. It seems like he's desperate at this point. Like he's, he's getting a little desperate and things are, it's unraveling for him and he realizes is it. Was he trying to look tough on the handshake thing? Like a tough coach? No, I think he was, I think he's fundamentally like a little awkward with the press more so

than you'd ever think. Like, remember when he was like, like the 30th thing that's happened this season? Like, remember when the USC job came up and someone, like he wasn't connected to it, but it was obvious because everyone was like, well, he's probably getting fired from this pine house thing. So like, let's see if he goes to USC.

And then Mike Tomlin was like, nope, never, never say never, but fucking never. He didn't say fucking, but like, I mean, Mike Tomlin did not. And then Urban Meyer was like looking at the floor and was like, yeah, no, I'm not interested in that. But it's like he just doesn't have quite the presence you think of when you think of coaches. So I think that's part of it. But I also just think he's such a competitive dude.

Apparently he started berating staff for losing preseason games. And like, I don't think he can handle being shut out in the NFL by, again, Mike, Mike Vrable, who he was like the lowest level coach on Mike, on Urban Meyer's staff on Ohio State. And now he's getting rocked in the NFL by this dude. I don't think he has any idea what to do. This can't be over soon enough. so bad for Jags fans because there should be so much

there's so much reason for optimism with like Lawrence going forward but this is just brutal. I saw this from J.G. Zacharison. Final thought. No Jags receiver has finished in the top 20 in PPR since week six. It's a waste land. Can we burn

Urban Meyer? Do we have any other candidates? 100% burn it. The only reason why I'm like, he's so irrelevant like the fantasy burn book implies that you're actually involved in the fantasy season in some form. he is so far off relevancy in fantasy football

that I'm like I guess I guess we burn him should we burn Dan Campbell How about James Robinson played 60% of snaps and had six touches and got four yards today? Yeah

That's tough That's tough rendering James Robinson What's a closer That just gets absolutely bombed at the end of this year She's Chad Green You guys don't know

Yankees But he's the Chad Green Of is Is that the guy Who wears this? He wear goggles? No, that's Joe Kelly. Oh, anyway, that's fine.

What am I going to do? What am I going to do? Argue in defense of Urban Meyer and though? If you have someone else that's like more relevant and more burnable, but like just for what he's done to James Robinson last three weeks, again, James Robinson had 11. Two points in today. He had four yards. James Robinson had four tenths of a point today after we were, after we were hoping that

he would get like a tremendous workload. Also, this feels like a nice bow on the, on like the fantasy burn book of the regular season. You know, we might be done after today. We actually haven't even talked about that. Like, I don't know if the burn book continues into the playoffs, but Urban is a nice bow saying, thanks for nothing this season. You've ruined Trevor Lawrence for a year.

All right. We're old yellowering the Jaguars and while we're at it. Okay. Burn, Urban Meyer, burned. And I'm just going to quickly shout out, like,

while you're doing the Jaguars, just old yellow of the Giants too. You can old yellow the Giants? Oh, yeah. Can we talk about the Giants real quick? I know that we spent a lot of times in the Jags, but prior to Sequin Barclays. I know,

Craig, or sorry, Hyphitz, I know this is, I don't know how you feel about this. Maybe it's like satisfying, I guess, because you've been basically telling us not to play any Giants players ever.

I saw this today. Prior to Saquan Barclay's fourth quarter Garbage Time TD, so in the fourth quarter of Barclay scored. Prior to that, in the last month, here is a comprehensive list of players that have scored a touchdown for the Giants. Chris, Maya Rick,

Andrew Thomas, who is a left tackle, and Elijah Penny, who is a fullback. That's it. In last month, those are the players that have scored a touchdown for the Giants until Saigon Barkley had a garbage time touchdown today. They can't score touchdowns. Like, I know that this seems like an obvious thing that, like, teams are trying to do, you know? Like, the foundation, like, the sub, like, the foundation of football is, like, trying to score touchdowns.

They're bad at it. They're extremely bad at scoring touchdowns. third year in a row actively rooting against the Giants in December. I don't want to like, I don't like to be like, oh, I was totally ready about this bet. I plugged Chargers giving 9 and a half points on Friday. And then do you guys remember what I said?

I literally said, I'll give them 20. I don't give a shit. I know they ended up not being 20, but it might as well have been. Mike Lennon ran in a touch a one of the minute left. Like, this game was pathetic. The team's pathetic. We don't have to linger here. They're awful and I am almost thankful that I do this for a living and can pay attention to 31 other teams

because this, like, they're awful. They don't deserve our time. All right. We can move on. All right. Jesus. Yeah, old yellow of them. That's fine with me.

All right. We got to go out of everyone here. There's too much negativity. Yeah. I'm looking. We need something positive. That's why I drafted you. Please tell me something about some good player.

All right. So things got a little hairy there in the middle of the season. But Tyler Lockett, coming on strong in the fantasy world. Five catches, 142 yards of touchdown today, 27.2 points in PPR. Locket now. And five out of his last six games has scored 12 plus. points, including two, like, explosion games of 25 plus. And I think Russell Wilson, it's safe to say is like pretty much back.

Like the CX offense clearly isn't perfect. But mallet finger Wilson, where he was like sailing passes 10 yards over guys, like five yards away, is not really happening anymore. The CX seem to have found their group a little bit. It does help, obviously, that they're playing bad defenses in Houston. But the rest of the season, the Cocks have mostly bad defenses. They get the bears. They get the lions.

They do have to play the Rams next week. So that's a little bit tough. but I still think Lockett is, I guess, like the safest fantasy player in the Seahawks offense. And just those moonshots are back is the main thing.

Like downfield, explosive passes. Russell Wilson seems to be like mostly back to like his old self. So yeah, that's why I drafted you. Like this is what we were hoping for from Lockett

and he's coming through again. The flip side is D.K. McCaff just remains just D.B. Cooper. Just, it's D.K. Cooper at this point. Yeah. Since the foursum, still hasn't scored a touchdown.

Just saying. not had a touchdown since the foursome incident. Or since the threesome. He scored enough that night. For some attempt. Yeah. It's really, that's really the problem.

The same opposite of what boxers do, you know, like how boxers are like, I'm going to abstain from sex for. Oh yeah, get that, get that T up. Yeah, wow.

Wait, it was being Seahawkson scoring, though. We have a very emotional moment to get to today. Yeah. You're damn right. The ultimate never wrong, only earlier awards is Rashad Penny.

Craig, I'm going to give this one to you. the number two running back to do is Rashad Penny. Yeah, I mean just across the board looked like looked like a first round pick. The second coming, it's really like a Bo Jackson

mixed with like the Transformers and like Optimus Prime, like, you know. Yes. He was incredible D.K., right? Don't you think that he actually, maybe there's not a coincidence that the Seahawks offense has clicked in in the two games that Rashad Penny's kind of been the starter? He's the only running back on the team who can actually

like make a 20-yard run. He's stiff arming people. He looks elusive. Rashad Penny's finally healthy. He had an emotional press conference after the game pretty much saying like got pretty dark there for a while where I was getting injured so frequently that it was hard to just like get up every morning and like, you know, think I might have a career in the NFL and I'm really happy. He's still relatively young. What is he? 25, maybe, 26. Yeah, I think he's 25. Yeah. I hope he stays healthy, but he looks great. And I've never once thought he wasn't a good player. He's just always hurt. You know, obviously, Rashad Penny has long been a, I'm a big fan of his.

And I was wondering, basically, should the Seulks trade Russell Wilson for three first-run picks and build around Rashad Penny? And I was wondering that today. And then everybody was, no, they should flip Rashad Penny for three first-round picks. I mean, most teams would probably pay for that. Yeah, I would do that after today. Hell yeah. Yeah, I think so... Congrats. I'm happy for you guys. I'm going to let you guys have this moment.

This is sweet. Thank you. I'm just, I mean, obviously, I'm still... a little worried that he'll get hurt again. Obviously, that's, like, the big question that's hanging over his head, and it will hang over his head probably for a couple years here, even if he does stay healthy. But, yeah, to Craig's point, like, he looked really good. He looked explosive.

And that's kind of been the thing, like, over the years, as a CX fan and a person that's been in CX Twitter, like, the big thing we've always talked about is, like, you know, they draft him and then the next season, or I don't remember the timeline exactly. Chris Carson emerges, and he's like this seventh, their own pick and he's like better than car he's better than penny he's like really dynamic he like breaks tackles all this stuff um but the argument the counter argument to that has always been

whereas uh chris carson doesn't really create explosive plays like in fact he like almost never creates explosive plays because he's kind of slow he's just a tackle breaker penny is this guy that comes in and just like gives them some juice it gives them that it's like the thunder and lightning thing um and it's weird because he's big guy but like he really does have that ability to like hit the home run i think he had two 30 plus year touchdowns today, which is, I think only one other Seahawk has ever done that in a game. So, I mean, that kind of gives you the idea of like his style, I guess, which is exactly what the Seahawks need, I think really, and with the way that their offense is kind of stalled out lately. So having that explosive element, really good. I think, you know, when we said this before the game, I think the Seahs are trying to feature him at this point. Like it's now or never, dude.

Like, you know, hopefully you can say healthy, but here's your opportunity. Chris Carson's gone. Alex Collins isn't doing anything They don't really like any of these other guys They put Adrian Peterson back on the practice squad I don't even think he's on the active roster right now So he's hurt Penny go do your thing Yeah he's got a lower back injury or something like that right now

So it's Penny's show here And he could really come back in the fantasy playoffs And be like a factor which would be fun But again I think still It's a little bit worried sticking him in that starting lineup Just saying he's got the fifth greatest single season college football season of all time as a running back. Fifth, all

time. Yeah, he's a first round pick. He's a first round pick. I'm going to let you guys have this. There's a tinge of condescension in there and I don't love it. More than a tinge. A pinch, a dash.

That was nice, that's enough positivity for me. Let's go back to the negativity. I need the Mitchell Trubisky Don't Watch and play award. Tassum Hill somehow remains the most satisfying player to have picked up a quarterback when you just read the box score and when you watch it and play

you feel so stupid for putting him in your fantasy lineup. I feel like an idiot when I watch him play football. Yeah. So Hill, his stat line actually doesn't look that bad because he had, he was 15 to 21, 175 yards, 11 rushes, 73 yards, two touchdowns. He has 26 fantasy points,

QB4 this week. But when you like watch... Yeah, when you read the numbers, you're like, oh, great. When you watch the game, it's like, I remember seeing tweets from like Saints beatwriters and Saints fans, but they were just like, yikes. This is fucking gross. Like the offense was not working. Mind you one of those rushing touchdowns came with like a minute left in the game. Yeah, he had like a- Doesn't matter.

He had like a big breakaway rush. And apparently they were like kind of mad at him for scoring the touchdown because they said he should have slid, I think. Was that a thing? Like they just wanted to run the clock out instead. But anyway, I'm glad he ran it in for. a touchdown. It's getting, this is like performance art. Like there's really, really only two or three coaches in the entirely

that can get away with like what the fuck this Tason Hill thing is. Like, like, it's kind of this perfect confluence of like Sean Payton has like total job security in New Orleans. They have a weird ownership situation. Like, like, the fact that he just gets to just dick around with the most important position

and the most important job at this like billion dollar company is kind of nuts. I keep giving it. He's like, he's like, Borderline, like, seems bored. And he's like, you know what? What if I, like, made Taysam Hill relevant one games of them? He's just trolling us at this point. However, it's great for fantasy because, like I said, the rushing upside is there.

I don't know if I necessarily trust it week in and week out still. I mean, obviously, you know, we've touted him. I think the rushing thing is like the big deal, really. Like, he's their goal line back in a lot of cases. But the passing is just so bad. It's almost kind of like the Cam Newton factor. It's like I'm a little worried. He's going to get benched.

Wait, I just remembered something. D.K. will not get this. Maybe Craig. My friend pointed it. Shout out my friend Mike who said this to me today, Craig. When Taysam Hills at the goal line, though, when they're inside the 10-yard line, really, defenses react, like, when you're playing call of duty,

like in war zone, when someone has, like, a riot shield. Like, it's like, it's not a gun. Like, they just have a riot shield, and they hit it with you, and you can't shoot through it. And, like, if they hit it either twice, you die. And it's like, it's not like that dangerous. But, like, if you don't handle the situation right, they'll beat you.

And it's just like, you haven't done this a lot. And so you end up getting hit. You feel like an idiot because this person just killed you with a riot shield. But that's kind of how defenses react. That's hilarious.

That works shockingly well. He has like the highest ceiling and both floor since like I think maybe Tim Tebow. Like I could envision a game where he gets negative two points and gets benched in the second. Yes.

And then he also puts up 26 today. It's, you know what? I think the comment. a thread between him and Taysam Hill and Tim Tebow other than like getting way too many opportunities because just being this like weird white quarterback propped up. I think the other thing is like I think that they need that faith to play with what they're doing because I don't like I think you have to believe in God a lot to be trying. Tason had the rare like self-inflicted force fumble untouched.

He just like was trying to throw and fumbled. So I like squirted out of his hands. I mean like look he's got mallet finger. Let's keep that in mind. You know, that's contact. He wasn't playing well before the mallet figure. Wow. Sure.

I just, I also just, I do think Mina Khyme, this is my favorite theory of quarterbacks, which is like, they have to believe they are a God or they have to believe in God. And I pretty easily bucket quarterbacks into that. Like, you know,

Rogers and Baker and Brady are on one side and Phil Rivers and, and some guys are on the other one. And like, I think Taysam Hill believes in God and Sean Payton believes that Tassim Hill is God. And I don't know what happened to Tim Tebow. He was the anomaly, I guess. I don't know. He's doing it.

Keeping up with the Mitch Chibisky with the Don't Watch and Play Award. Ben Ropisberger since Ben came back from injury, which was four weeks ago, he's the QB3. Really? Yep. Oh my God. Can you say that again? I must have to hear that.

In the last four weeks, he's the QB3. Are you shitting me? Obviously, there are buys worked in, but in general, he's playing well. And it's awful to watch. In the Minnesota game, it was a lot of garbage time, but he's kind of, I don't,

I really know what's going on with Ben. He's having one of the most bizarre, like final seasons of all time, I think. He's getting better as the season goes. That's not supposed to happen in older quarterbacks. He's not supposed to, older quarterbacks almost,

except Brady almost always get worse as it gets older. So I had this realization watching the game the other day, and I realized who Big Ben is. And, you know, in Wedding Crashers,

when Jeremy, aka Vince Vaughn, is, like, playing quarterback in them, like, the scrimmage game where they're like to it,

like, you know, The turkey day. The turkey bowl, yeah. He's that guy. He's just like sitting back there. Hot route. Hot route.

Hot row. He's like, I'll put it wherever you want it. It's like, first team all stay. I'll put it wherever you want it. I'm looking right now here. And then he gets drilled and he's like on the ground.

He's like wheezing. If there was, if I had any breath in my lungs, I'd scream at you. Yeah. That he is Vince Vaughn in that movie. Same body currently. seriously, dude.

I also just realized that he has outplayed Patrick Mahomes in all three of the weeks that Patrick Mahombs has last played, including this week. Vince Vaughn. He's literally been better than Mahomes outright. I think if I made a, if I made a Big Ben movie, Vince Vaughn is the lead. That's a great cast.

Oh my God. Vince Vaughn is huge. Dude, he's like the right size, too. Lumbering is like, same identical build. The size is like the hardest part of Yeah, Vaughn's like six five. Should we cut this and just like send this to death?

Oh my God. We have to get this moving. This is the point in the podcast on Sundays where we just get like we lose it, I think. Next from Ringer Films. What if I told you quarterback didn't work out in the offseason? I'm going to make it right out here. I'll put it wherever you want it. Hot route.

All those receivers are like, I don't know what that means. You don't say Johnson? I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. Just run out there. Okay. Anyway. Jesus.

All right. They're real and spectacular award. All right. I just wanted it. I just want to hit Javante Williams real quick. Melvin Gordon had an amazing day. And I think it's all clear now that Melvin Gordon isn't going anywhere. Like there was some hope coming off these last couple weeks that Javante Williams

was just going to like take over the backfield because he was so good. Melvin Gordon isn't go anywhere. However, I just want to shout out, Juante Williams is, like, incredible. Like, talent-wise, burst, tackle-breaking, all that stuff. He looks incredible. He had 83 total yards, three touchdowns today. And it kind of is a little bit reminiscent of, like,

Jonathan Taylor's stretch run last year. This is maybe just, like, put it in the back of your head, save it for the summer when we're all doing drafts again. We're starting to think about next year. Like, if Melvin Gordon is in a, if the picture is different here, I could see Javante Williams being like sort of like the Jonathan Taylor type player next year

so I just want to shout that out because he just looks incredible I want to do the exact opposite because D.K said Javante Williams would be good in the second half of the season and he was right. I want to do the opposite. I want to do the eat your words. Davis Mills, I bet the under on him having 221 passing yards. He had like 160 in like the first like 12 minutes of the game. Dude's good. He was slicing and Dyson.

He started 13 of 13. It felt like he honestly, I think he might listen to the podcast. Listen up. Davis Mills is actually good at football. I'd take him right now over Zach Wilson for the career. That is hot. That is a spicy take. Is it? Do you watch both play?

I mean, I've watched Davis Mills has looked pretty good in like two games this year. Otherwise, he's looked completely lost. What about Zach Wilson? Okay, he's lost. He's looked lost every game too. He's looked like the third and or fourth best quarterback on his team. Shit. You kind of got me there.

Mike White has looked better. Joe Flacco has looked better. I think the shortest answer, honestly, is that like, Zach Wilson went to this awful situation with no mentorship or leadership and a bad offensive line that got hurt. And like the Texans,

offensive line could be a lot worse. Like, it's not the worst offensive line for like a, you know what I mean? They actually have two competent tackles. Davis Mills, I think at the end of the day, could be like a serviceable backup.

I don't know about Zach Wilson. Davis Mills can like hit a guy open. Zach Wilson's like, he's air nailing dudes who are six feet in front of him. We're going to, as we get the draft season, we're going to talk a lot about this, D.K. I just, before the draft, Zach Wilson's like, oh, you know, he's like Mahomes. And then after the draft, he's playing. And they're like, oh, he thinks he's Mahomes. Like, yeah, that never changed.

He just went to the Jets who fucking suck. Well, my analysis, I didn't, I haven't like watched closely because it's the Jets. But every time I look at Wilson when he's throwing, his feet aren't getting set, like his feet are a mess. It's kind of the same deal. I know. And it's like he needs to just sort of like get back to basics, I think, is the main thing. And that's why like, for instance, what we were just saying, like, Mike

White, Joe Flacco, like, yeah, they're checking it down, but like, at least they're accurate. And so I think Zach Wilson, I'm not ready to give up on Zach Wilson. I'm ready. That's fine. I think of the Jets. The Jets are the problem. Like, like, I really firmly, like, I have been radicalized

this year. Like, the Jets are the fucking problem. How many, or how many quarterbacks can the Jets just chew up and spit out until it's like that team is the problem and the quarterbacks might have been good somewhere else. Is it the spirit? Is it the spirit? Sorry to interrupt you. Is it the spirits of the Jets franchise haunting these players? I mean, they have a completely new offensive coordinator or a new head coach.

It's not the same as Adam Gase. Why? No, it's because the NFL is a fake industry where in the real life bad companies fucking go out of business and cease to exist. And in the NFL, the bad companies get the best players. And then those players aren't good. It's like it's the opposite of competition. Like they don't deserve these great players.

Like, Mac Jones would fucking suck this year if he was on the Jets. He'd be awful. He went to the Patriots, so he's good. It's not an accident that the good teams magically end up with good players. It's because they were already good. I do agree with you. But I think, I don't know if I agree. Like, I think if Justin Herbert as a rookie was put on this year's Jets team was

Sala and LaFlor. I don't think he'd be that bad. I don't think he'd be that great. I think he'd end up being like probably, I don't know if he'd be the same guy, but I think he'd be close. I think Zach Wilson would be shitty in most places, to be honest.

Zach Wilson's kind of an interesting thing because he's like such a strange skill set playing from like where he came from to like where he ended up. And like it's worth remembering like, it's worth being humble about this. Like I don't think we will or really, at least should.

ever be as out on someone again because Josh Allen, I know that he's going to be like forever the fodder for people to like stick to quarterbacks who are bad, but it is worth remembering like everyone had declared victory that Josh Allen was off after two years.

And literally got MVP votes last fucking season. How many years are we going to do this where every time a quarterback sucks, we go, well, Josh Allen sucked. I don't know, but it's worth remembering that like he was literally last in the league in completion percentage. And I don't know, I'm just,

but my point being, if you zoom out, like, it's a fair point. I get what you're saying, but it's hard not to just trust my eyes. I think that, but I think the uniforms are the problem. The organization's the problem. It's not Zach Wilson. Like, I'm tired of blamings of the quarterback. Like, it's the fucking team.

I'm dumping my shares. The team keeps chewing these, ugh. I'm dumping my shares. The only reason I'm not giving up on Zach Wilson is because Trevor Lawrence has looked like total dog shit and I don't think Trevor Lawrence is bad. I just think they're both in really terrible positions. They're an awful, like, can you imagine Trevor Lawrence is on the Patriots? Like, just think about that for two seconds.

and Mac Jones was in Jacksonville. That's all. Okay. Anyway, Davis Mills, I think actually might not be the worst quarterback ever seen. All right. Any other random stuff? Yeah. This award is called The Players You'll Never Start, but they're going to ruin your day.

And it's all these fuckers on the Chargers that every week have a, like collectively, Jalen Gighton, Josh Palmer, Donald Parham. It's like all three of them kind of sound the same. It was like they did that S&L sketch A Wildco called, they did a whole sketch, it was a game show called

Dylan McDermott or Dermott-Milroni. And it was two actors who have very similar sounding names like Guyton, Josh Palmer, Donald Parham, I don't know who's who, but like every week one of them is taking a touchdown from Mike Williams

and it pisses me off and they did it again this week. I think they both did it. Stephen Anderson is another guy on that team. If you add all their stats together that they are like Mike Williams and it pisses me off because as an entity,

they are competing with him directly and it pisses me off. We need to figure out a way to get fantasy points for double teams. I think Mike Williams this season has truly illuminated to me how hard it is to do this because it's like,

Craig is so on with the Mike Williams thing and then teams are like, wow, Mike Williams is great, we got to double that guy. And then he's over, he's done. Like he's got two weeks like in the final like 12 of the season. And it's like,

you should get some kind of fantasy reward if a team's like, no, that guy too good. He's too good. We can't let him get the ball. It's like a handicap or something. Jalen Gaitens get him. Maybe he starts with four points. He gets a little handicapped if you get double team.

I don't know. We should have fantasy handicaps. That's such a good thing. Like Cooper Cup giving 12 to Jalen Gitons. Like perfect. Yeah, now we're talking. That's incredible. Oh my God.

Who is it the other day? Oh, we had some two teams competing for last place in their league. And so they benched all, they agreed to bench all their players except their kickers. and they had a kickoff on Thanksgiving because they were so embarrassed. And then one guy actually had having a Daniel Carlson on the Thanksgiving Raiders game, which had like 23 points. But I was thinking, we should do that more.

It's kind of like when you were a kid and you played Capture the Flag. And you remember like, I mean, this is like a dushy 12-year-old thing to do. But like guys were like grab each other's arms and like see if you could pull someone to the other side and like loser just had to go like capture the flag jail. But it's like the one V1 duels, like but with handicaps. Like, hey, I'll play Cooper Cup. I'll give you 12 points that you can play Mike Williams. That'd be great.

like it. That's a new rule. Trial by combat, but for fantasy. Yeah, really. Yeah. It's incredible. Okay. I think that's all we got. The burn book, we forgot to do the recap. Real quick for the burn book. Week one, we got Rahim Mostert. Week two is Marcus Callow for the Saints. Week three, we just burned Kyle Shannon for the Niners, which really held. Week four is Mike Davis, R.A.P. Week five is Alan Robinson. That's held. Week six miles gaskin, who we unburned. Week seven's Robbie Anderson, who we played well today, but we're not unburning. Week 8 was Odell. Did we... We unburned because he is on a different team now. Okay, so pending Monday football, see what happens. But yeah,

Odell got unburned. Week 9 is Julio, who came back and showed us why he was burned. Week 10 is Jarvis, who deserved it. Week 11th, Russell Wilson. He might be coming out. He might be coming out soon. Week 12th, Courland Sutton, week 13 to Mahomes, and week 14's Erba Meyer. My question

being, should Russell Wilson be unburned? CaliCi, the unburned. Isn't it crazy that you're asking that before you, we talk about Patrick Mahomes? And Russ had mallet finger and we're still willing to take him out before my home. No, I would not unburn Mahomes. I don't know if it's a good idea. He only played well against the ratings in the last like two months.

No, we've got to keep him in. I'm going to be honest. I'm not ready to take Russell Wilson out of the burn book the week before he plays the Rams. Same. We're going to have to have like a long discussion about whether you can play Patrick Mahomes against the charges in the playoffs next week, in the fantasy playoffs. I don't think you kind of can. And he's going in to play the king,

the lord of the cover two, keep it in front of you. Dude, he's cracked 15 points only against the Raiders since like Halloween. How do you play Patrick Mahomes? I hate that. Put a roof on him. I don't know.

Let's put a roof on this pod. All right. Indeed. We all did well in propets. We all went two for three. That's solid. Craig's long shot parlay hit. Your money line parley.

Parley hit. Your underdog parley did not, but the other one did good. Roof on the pod. Real quick, I forgot to mention. Elijah Penny scored two touchdowns today, too. Rashad Penny's brother. Did I already mention that? No, but you mentioned, because you mentioned him when you talked about the Giants players who had scored.

Yeah, that's right. Four touchdowns for the Penny brothers today. Apex Mountain for the Penny family. What a day. What a day. Do Elijah Penny have two touchdowns today? Yeah. He caught one and he ran one in, I believe. no he just had one yeah he had one what still maybe it was a two point

conversion did I make that up oh wow yeah because it was damn obviously all right that's to me a sign

all right thank you DK thank you Craig thank you to the Penny family you've endured quite a lot thank you to the Urban Meyer Pine House it actually is a really good restaurant

like it was I had a great the food surprisingly good in the beer selection is excellent. It's a good sports bar. I mean, listen, he's a football guy. He probably knows how to put up a restaurant. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, Pennywise.

Ooh. Is that a musician? Is there a musician? No, he's a clown. It's like an old, well, that too. It's like an old punk band. I got nothing. No, no, like, legal issues there? I guess it's a character. I guess you can name a band after character. Oh, Elijah Penny had a two-point conversion. That's what I saw.

Oh, wow. Okay. Bye.