The Ringer NFL Show - Week 14 Matchups and Questions for the Last Week of the Fantasy Regular Season

Episode Date: December 9, 2022

We preview the fantasy regular season's final week by discussing the ripple effects of the six-team bye week, combined with the ugliness of the matchups and abundance of injuries. Check out our Week 1...3 Fantasy Football Rankings for this week's positional rankings and more! Email us! ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:05 Craig is at Craig Rolbeck on Twitter. And I am Danny underscore Hifitz on Twitter. And my Instagram is Danny Hifitz. Even easier to spell. those are in the episode description. Fairly easier to spell. I mean, how could you even get a hype that's wrong?
Starting point is 00:01:19 It's very easy. All right. We're heading into week 14. It's the last week of the regular season for fantasy football for most people. So scratching cloning for a playoff spot. Absolutely massive week. We're going to do a little vibe check
Starting point is 00:01:33 heading into Sunday. DK. Yo. Give us our first award heading into Sunday. I want to start this off with the Bad Faith Super Bowl. A Lord. Everybody's just getting a bad faith the fuck out of this game.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Tua versus Herbert, dolphins versus chargers. For whatever reason, the, I don't know, like Tua and Herbert, you can't talk about one without talking about the other this season.
Starting point is 00:01:56 You know, there's like the hot takesman, Manuel H.O. Acho. How do you say his last name? Acho. Acho. It's definitely Acho.
Starting point is 00:02:05 He's leading the charge on this. He called Herbert a social media quarterback, which is just absurd. And he's like, He's big time Tua guy. But I like Tua. He's a real takesman. He just triggers the fuck out of everybody.
Starting point is 00:02:19 I guess he's doing a good job. But yeah, like they got that part of it, anti-Herbert stuff. They got Tua on just mounting coordinated attacks like terrorists against anyone who says anything mean about Tua on Twitter. Can we just like take a breath and recognize that this game isn't going to like spell out the rest of these two players' careers? Should we do that or should we just not?
Starting point is 00:02:40 Two teams on the fringe of being wildcard playoffs contenders. What's funny about this game is it's like a giant paradox because Tua is the quarterback that nobody thinks is good and the coach is lifting them up. And then on the other side, you have Herbert, who is the quarterback who everybody thinks is the second coming but the coach is holding him back.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Yeah. And yet, Tua is the one having the better season than Herbert. So it's a really interesting dynamic we have. Interesting. Well, I feel I feel like Herbert, you know, kind of broke his ribs in week two and, you know, had Keenan-al and Mike Williams out for months and Tua, I mean, aside from all the concussion stuff he went through. They did just add Tyree Kill.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Like, I don't know. That helps. True. I mean, look, there's no room for like nuance, high fits, context. There's no gray area. It is like a misinformation war. It's like Highlander. There can only be one. There can be only one. The other irony is that this is such a huge game for the Chargers. I guess it's not ironic. It's just a different point I was making, but I used irony there. People say ironic way too much. Yeah, I was like wrong. I caught myself. I know I'm quite sure what irony is. Who does?
Starting point is 00:03:41 If the Chargers win this game, they basically have like a 50-50 shot at the playoffs. So a coin flip. And if the Chargers lose, it's basically one and six. So it's basically a dice roll if they lose and a coin flip if they win. They got to win then because there's nothing
Starting point is 00:03:55 that Brandy Saly loves more than a coin flip. You know, he loves those chances. Oh, wow. There you go. Look at you. Dance monkey. That's your thing, right? Fourth down monkey, Brandon.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Fourth and 12th and the third. Go for it. I'm going to be honest, I don't know what this is in reference to. It's not. It's nothing. Anytime Brandon's... Any time...
Starting point is 00:04:16 No, anytime Brandon Staley doesn't go for it on fourth down, everybody's like, what do you... Like, I thought this was your thing, Brandon. We're giving up on him. Well, you know what's so funny is men get so confused when you have like an original thought. You're like, that wasn't an anchorman quote? I thought we just spoke in quotes.
Starting point is 00:04:34 You guys just started saying it all of a sudden, and then kept referencing it. I thought that it was like a meme. We came up with our own original inside joke. Okay. Everybody only speaks in memes now. One of my friends, Kate was around for like a very similar moment I had with my friends where we were confused that it wasn't a quote.
Starting point is 00:04:52 And she was like, wait, do you guys all the other times you finish each other sentences? Is that just movie quotes? You're like, yeah. She's like, you don't have original thoughts? We were like, no. Rarely. Of course not. Very rare.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Social media has removed any need to have an original thought. Who's going to win this game? Rich Rebar at Sharp Football has some incredible numbers in this game. The Chargers are the worst defense on first down for rushing yards per play and the worst defense on first down for passing yards per play, which is like astonishing. So they just give up a shitload of yards on first down. Doesn't matter what you do. It's easier to get yards at first time versus the charges than any team.
Starting point is 00:05:30 And the Dolphins, too, is like the number one quarterback. in passing yards on first down. So it just, there's no third and logs in this game for the dolphins. It just kind of feels like, I feel like the dolphins might destroy the chargers. Yeah, I mean, I think, like, on paper, it feels like the dolphins should win this game
Starting point is 00:05:48 and should dominate. The only thing that's, like, holding you back a little bit from really buying into that is just, Tua was off in that last game against 49ers, for whatever reason. He just didn't look confident, didn't look like, you know, he was seeing it as well as he had prior.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Maybe that was just, you know, because it was a really tough game, really tough opponent, whatever. But I think we need to see him kind of bounce back and get back to the accurate ways and things like that before this last game. I will say with the Chargers, Mike Williams is questionable.
Starting point is 00:06:14 He might finally be back. Corey Lindley, their Star Center is going to be, I think might play. So Chargers are slowly getting healthier. I think this will be a great game. This is probably my most anticipated game of the week for me. I mean, they flexed the Senate football for reason. I also think, I mean, just, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:28 Chargers defense. Again, the Dolphins' Tackles. Do Dolphins fans travel? Do you guys know? Because there's not like a strong Chargers. To Los Angeles? No, I don't think so. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:06:41 But I would say L.A. has probably the most non-L.A. sports fans of any city. The most non-local sports fans of any city is probably. I see you're saying where like the charges are always on the road even when they're at home, but are there going to be like 40,000 Miami games at this game? I kind of doubt it. I'll be watching for that. That's a good question. All right.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Next up, Sunday Scaries. Greg. Yeah. My scary is the 16thipopopopopopopopoleps. the last week of the regular fantasy season. That's kind of brutal. I hate this. It's really bleak.
Starting point is 00:07:10 I'm in a 12-team league, my long-running league, and legit guys in my league, friends of mine who are fighting for the playoffs are starting dudes like DeAndre Carter and DJ Chark, James Cook. These are guys with teams that are like eight and five. It's really rough out there. And I'm going through this as well.
Starting point is 00:07:29 This is the week where a lot of us need wins, and yet you're going to have to fire at people who have been disappointing you all season. It's like the Tobias Fune K quote. These people delude themselves into thinking it could work for them, but it might work for us. That is how I feel this week.
Starting point is 00:07:43 I'm starting somebody like Damien Pierce, who's been pretty bad for the last four weeks, and they're playing the Cowboys, but like, I kind of have to do it. People are going to have to start dudes like Gabe Davis, Deonti Johnson, who hasn't been a top 36 receiver for the last nine consecutive weeks. Juju is getting started by everybody.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Juju's been terrible. Another sneaky disappointment is, season. Mike Evans hasn't done shit in the past month. There are just so many dudes who have the name brand value of people who put up like 10, 15 points a game, but in reality have been putting up like five or six points a game. And yet, because of where we are this week, you got to start all these guys who have been disappointing you all season. I'm in a league right now. Tell me if I'm crazy. I'm considering starting Josh Palmer over Mike Evans. Is that crazy? Yes. Yes. If Mike Williams plays, it's
Starting point is 00:08:34 definitely crazy. If he doesn't play, it's still a little crazy. Okay, let's assume we let's, yeah, you're right. If Mike Williams doesn't play, I don't think it's that crazy. Dude, Mike Evans in the last week. What did I just hear? Are you saying if, oh no, Mike Williams doesn't play for the chart? Sorry, did I, what did I say
Starting point is 00:08:50 Evans or Williams? You both just said, if Mike Evans doesn't play, should I still play Mike Williams? No, no, if Mike Williams that's why I meant. Yeah, I may have said the wrong thing. Josh Palmer had more points in week 11 than Mike Evans has the last four games combined.
Starting point is 00:09:06 He's getting a lot of targets, man. He's actually been pretty good. But that's where we are. I think that's an illustration of where we are. Like, I'm having this crisis of fate in Mike Evans, who I normally would just be very confident in. Now I'm just like, he's just a guy. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Everyone should play Mike Evans, in part because I think that... Rationally, yes. He did get a 50-yard pass interference at the goal line that would have been like a 13-point fantasy play him on a football, but it just was a flag. However, Yeah, I think that like with
Starting point is 00:09:35 My God, I just lost my voice. That was horrifying. That was horrifying. She almost just threw up for you. Okay. You're like my mom. My mom like chokes on her own saliva once a day. That's what happens when you get older, Craig.
Starting point is 00:09:50 She would just be watching television. She'll start coughing and she'll get up. I'm like, what happened? She's like, I'm choking. I can't eat popcorn because I'm not even because I like popcorn, but I feel like when I eat popcorn, I choke like every 10, 20 bites. I'll be in a movie. hacking up a lung.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Fun fact about Craig. Popcorn. Favorite snack on Earth. Craig gave my son popcorn and got him into popcorn. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Craig just started that whole thing. I went to a wedding in Seattle and Bainbridge Island and then we took the ferry back over
Starting point is 00:10:22 and on the ferry I gave Calvin some popcorn. And you fucking loved it. Do you guys not like choke at all in Popper? He just gave me like cough and get... He doesn't really choke on popcorn. He chokes on chips though, like tortilla chips. They just get lodged. I don't choke on popcorn.
Starting point is 00:10:34 I just, I don't know. I can't eat pop. Anyway, I don't know. We'll see if we keep that. I don't know. Probably. What was it talking about? The bipocalypse.
Starting point is 00:10:42 The bipocalypse. Oh, with real teams where like your record is what it is. And it's something, this is right around where you're in fantasy where you get to like, there's like the idea of who Gabe Davis is versus like, you know, last couple months he's like a really good streaming tight end. Just place receiver. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also like the inverse of the when you're the playoffs, like hey, you got to dance with who brung you.
Starting point is 00:11:02 But now it's like the, is this person to get me? at the dance? I don't even know. Am I doing this? It's such an uninspiring final week of the fantasy regular season for most people's rosters. It's like, hey, all right, I guess. I feel like, yeah, like, I'm just, like, living on a prayer. Like, good fucking luck team.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Like, go for it. I just don't have any confidence in, like, half of these guys. Jacobi Myers, you mentioned? Did you mention with Jacobi Myers? Like, he's another guy. Just, like, has been very disappointing. Like, that whole offensive is disappointing. I just don't know what to do with this guy.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Like, I'd almost rather start some just, like, really higher floor guy. just in the hopes he gets like six points or something. It's just, let's bleak out there. I think Deontay Johnson's the best example of this because at least Gabe Dave has like a 35 point game on his resume. Whereas Deontay, if he doesn't help you this week, you kind of just feel dumb.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Like you just feel stupid. Yeah. So that's tough. Speaking of feeling stupid. Giants fan. My Sunday scary is just a New York playoff race for both these football teams. So the Giants and the Jets, I feel like in a very similar spot right now.
Starting point is 00:12:02 They both have seven wins. They're both in third place in the division. They both have a very tenuous grasp on a wild card. And they both could lose their playoff spot the way this goes. And they're both playing like the juggernaut in the division. Giants are playing the Eagles who are in first place. Jets are playing the bills who are in first place. The Jets are 10-point underdogs of the bills, even though they like beat the bills a month ago.
Starting point is 00:12:19 And then the Jets made a quarterback upgrade. I get it, whatever. A lot of weird spreads this week. There are. We're going to get to this. Craig. Giants are seven. Vegas.
Starting point is 00:12:29 What are you up to, Vegas? What are you doing, Vegas? What are you doing? What are you know? Craig. I'm side-eye in Vegas, yeah. We'll get to the Vikings' Lions line later. But the Giants, I'm just so terrified
Starting point is 00:12:43 because I try to talk myself into how they're going to win. And aside from the, you know, they just keep winning a bunch of games they should have to win. I just don't, like, I don't know. It's the Eagles are so much better than them. And I guess I just hope that you have to just blitz the shit out of Jillen Hertz and you just hope you get a turnover.
Starting point is 00:12:56 But, like, the problem is there's, the NFC, it's just eight teams for seven spots. It's just there's seven shares and there's only eight teams really in it. and like it's either the Seahawks or Niners are going to win the NFC West and whoever does it win the West will be in the wildcard race
Starting point is 00:13:09 with the Giants in Washington like that's it so probably the Seahawks, Giants, Washington Giants probably lose the Eagles they come back, they play Washington next week and like it's just a playoff game and I'm just kind of terrified and I'm worried they're going to get exposed and I'm very afraid.
Starting point is 00:13:22 He had to get his reverse jinks in every single week I get it. This actually reminds me while you were talking about the Giants Eagles I was reminded the guy We brought this up before, but in Indiana Jones, when the guy with the swords comes out and is doing like his big sword thing, this is like the Giants.
Starting point is 00:13:41 And then the Eagles just like scoff and shoot them. And Indiana Jones, Harrison Ford, who has dysentery, he doesn't want to move, pulls out his pistol. That's how it feels. That's how it feels. That's how it feels. Yeah, they're going to have to really get creative. They're going to have to like MacGyver their way to a win here.
Starting point is 00:13:58 And the Eagles just have every like advantage. So yes, I'm kidding. You're not actually reversingxing yourself. It's not a great situation. Yeah, so that's going to be fun. Do you think the Jets can pull it off against the bills? They literally won a month ago.
Starting point is 00:14:15 I think it does, it's cliche, but it's like, is Josh on gempt of turnovers again? So, yes. It's not, probably not. My other study is scary. I feel like when I look at my fantasy lineups this week, I don't feel good about any of my running back matchups. There's three running backs this week
Starting point is 00:14:32 of great matchups and everyone else. It's like, Craig mentioned Damien Pierce, playing the Cowboys. Brutal. Nightmare. I'm telling you right now, I'm telling you right now, everybody,
Starting point is 00:14:42 Damien Pierce is going to have like two points in fantasy. He will. It's terrifying. Houston doesn't have Nico Collins or Brandon Cooks this week. He's going to have 13 rushes for 28 yards. I'm telling you right now, that's it. One catch,
Starting point is 00:14:56 three yards. That is going to be his line, but I got to start him. But you don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than your slowest friend. And you look at all the slowest friends. And it's like, okay, Rashad White and Leonard Fornett, never mind figure out what their split is.
Starting point is 00:15:07 They're going against the 49ers. And you're like, okay, best defensive football. How do you feel about that? Azam Pacheco against the Broncos, I guess that's a good matchup, relatively speaking. Travis ETSN, playing the Titans, best run D in football. You know, James Connor,
Starting point is 00:15:19 playing the Patriots. The Patriots, they allow like 38 rushing yards a game. Like, that's not fun. And you have to wait until Monday night to watch that. I know. And then, like, the Dolphins, the Chargers are a good matchup for the Dolphins, but then like, okay, cool,
Starting point is 00:15:32 gonna play like Jeff Wilson or Monster. Jeff Wilson had one carry last week. He's literally, it was like the first time Jeff Wilson's career. He had like 15 snaps that had one carry. That's fun. The Seahawks,
Starting point is 00:15:42 you have Ken Walker, who's probably gotten you wherever you are. You're probably doing well. Now he's hurt. It's like, you can't even have a Seahawks running back in place. It's just, there's so many uninspiring options on guys,
Starting point is 00:15:52 like Craig said, well, you got to play them, but you're not excited. Let's complete the Sunday scary trifecta here. So in addition to the biopocalypse, in addition to the running back matchup, There's just a lot of guys coming off of injuries that I do not trust. David and Joku coming off a knee injury.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Rondale Moore may be going to play coming off of a groin injury. I don't know. Like you have to wait again until Monday night for this. You might not even play him, even though he has pretty good, like, sealing potential. Michael Carter coming off an ankle injury. Mike Williams may be going to play. We don't really not.
Starting point is 00:16:23 You can't start him. You can't. Right. And then Joe Mixon coming off a two-week absence from a concussion. That's a little bit scary just based on the fact you could take a hit and maybe not play the rest of the game. And then Jalen Waddle, I don't remember if I've ever seen this. Jalen Waddle was listed injury as fibula.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Like, it wasn't just like leg, it was fibula. It's so specific. I don't remember ever seen that. I'm sure I have. It's not the tibia. It's the fibula. Jailin Waddle Fibula, which just scares me. I know, I think he's going to play.
Starting point is 00:16:54 He told, he told the media that he's going to play, but I don't really know. It's just that type of week where, oh my God, you're right. It says fibula. I don't remember ever seeing that. I'm sure it's been... Usually it says like leg. Yeah, lower leg. That's all.
Starting point is 00:17:08 But anyways, this is just the trifect of like Sunday scleries here where it's bad matchups, bad players, lots of buys. What a doom and gloom weekend in fantasy. It's going to be brutal. It's going to be a lot of like... Week 14 and it's literally going to the playoffs or not. It's going to be a lot of like 100 to 85 wins in fantasy this week. I feel like maybe maybe the,
Starting point is 00:17:30 there's the Costanza at play. Maybe this is actually going to be like the highest scoring week of the year so far. Well, on that note, I wanted to, all right, you mentioned Costanza, I'll just get me to it
Starting point is 00:17:38 because we mentioned Cowboys Texans and I was looking at Cowboys Texans and I was like, let me get this straight, this Dallas defense just embarrassed the Colts. Again, they had like, what, 54 points, shut down Indie.
Starting point is 00:17:51 And the Texans just allowed the Browns to have three non-offensive touchdowns, like the punt return and like the Brown, the Texans offense just kept giving, I know Kyle Allen, was bench, Dave's Mills is playing? But I was like, is this like a Mario Kart Rainbow Strip award for the Dallas defense? Like, is this the first time an offense is going to be so bad.
Starting point is 00:18:08 They're going to give the Cowboys the ball. And I started thinking, well, the line's 16. Now it's like 17. They're down their top two receivers. And I'm like, there's no way possible that the Texans can win. Should the line be 20? And I kept thinking. The line is now, it's 18 now the line.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Which my question is, is this the Costanza? Should we bet the Texans money line? is this thing to the cowboys lose this game because I started doing the thing of like you know why you know how I kind of want to bet the Texans I'm going to get a call from my dad at 1230 p.m. Eastern on Sunday and he's going to be like damn we got to bet the cowboys there's no way because he figures out who is playing an hour before and he's like we got we got to bet the cowboys there's no they can't beat the Texans this is what happened to me when the Patriots played the bears and I was like this is the Kastans because the Patriots can destroy the bears. and the Bears one. This is the same game. I thought you were going to say, should I bet the Texans spread? You're talking money line? I don't know. I don't know. Well, because you know why? I keep looking like, it's impossible.
Starting point is 00:19:10 It's physically impossible for the Texas to win this game. And that's when you've got to ask. True. Dude, the money line, they're 10 to 1. Dude, I'm just saying. It's one of those sportsbooked, like, Instagram or tweets where they're like, oh, man, if you'd bet this, like you would have made like $20,000. Like, okay, but who does that?
Starting point is 00:19:27 Who's catching passes for the Texas? this week. Chris Moore? I don't mean to ask you guys all season. Who's Chris Moore? I have no idea. Who is that guy? He's been in the NFL for like five years. I still don't know who he is. I feel like there's a lot of Moors that run around in the NFL. I get them all confused. Chris Moore, I think, is like the most experienced NFL skill player that I really have no idea who he is. He, let's see here. Yeah, he's been on the Ravens. Dude, he was drafted in 2016. He's been in the NFL for seven years. He's been bouncing around. Good for him. They have Philip Dorset. in a Mari Rogers, the guy from the package.
Starting point is 00:20:02 I like Philip Thorset. Mari Rogers was like exiles from Green Bay. He was, Dark Night Rise's style. Unbelievably bad. That's it, by the way. Those are the only three wide receivers they have on their depth chart currently.
Starting point is 00:20:14 How could they possibly be? Or Davis Mills gets the honor of starting again. He's like, can I just wait? I'll just wait another week. If every instinct you have is wrong. And they are wrong. The opposite must be true. All right.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Wait, I guess in another way, No, I'm just going to expose how dumb I am a gambling. I was trying to think, is there a way to do a teaser with the Texans line to just guarantee, but there's no way you could like tease the,
Starting point is 00:20:38 that's not how it works. I mean, can you imagine 10 point teasing the Texans up to plus 28? That's the other thing my dad's going to ask me to do. He's going to want to do both. He's going to want 27 points for Texans and the money one. Anyway,
Starting point is 00:20:51 can you just plug us into your dad's calls every week? Just let us listen in. I, you know how like CEOs have to have like shareholder meetings and you can listen in on those. I want to listen in on Mr. Hyfitz calling you on Sunday. We're the board.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Yeah, we're the board for Hyphids and his dad. If you guys wanted to, honestly, I would actually like that because if you guys could moderate, the biggest problem I have is my dad's selective memory
Starting point is 00:21:17 is he only remembers the times he wanted to do something and they won and I talked him out of it. And he just completely forgets the 80% of the time I talk him out of dumb ideas. So like if you guys could be like the objective committee,
Starting point is 00:21:29 Because every time we're like discussing, he's like, no, no, let's do this. If you guys could be like, ah, where were daddy on this one? That would actually be a big help. No, I would just be an agent of chaos. And I would just tell him to go for it and not listen to you. That's fair. Oh, my God. We'll workshop it.
Starting point is 00:21:45 All right. Next award here, DK. Squeaky Wheel. Yeah, the Squeaky Wheel Award. George Pickens. Love this guy. He wants the fucking rock. Give them the ball.
Starting point is 00:21:55 Even when they're winning, like, last week, he just was like screaming on the sidelines. because he wanted the football. I fucking love that. You know what? Give him the ball. He's the best player on the team. So give him the ball.
Starting point is 00:22:05 It's pretty easy. So, yeah. I mean, it actually does make a lot of sense. If you give him the ball, I think good things will happen. They typically do. And Mike Tonglin,
Starting point is 00:22:12 who I've just grown to love more and more day by day. He's just the best coach. He was asked about the outbursts on the sideline this week. And his response was... I love the way he's talking to you. That's essentially what he said.
Starting point is 00:22:24 I love the way my boys are talking to you. He's a winner. He's a winner. said, I'd rather say woe than sick him, which is a great line. Rather to say woe than sickle. He wants a guy, he goes, I want a guy that wants to be a significant part of what it is we do. Now the appropriate, professional and mature way to express that we're growing and working on, and we will continue to. But the spirit, that competitive spirit, the guy that wants the ball, no, I want that guy. In other words, to paraphrase, he's got that dog in him. In other words,
Starting point is 00:22:52 I love the way he's talking to you, Chip. So George Pickett just threw all Kenny Pickett's war medals off of rich. This is great coaching. When we, on flying coach with Sean McVeigh and Peter Schrager last year, they talked about how, or Pete Carroll actually talked about this in the first season, about how coaching anybody can do X's and O's,
Starting point is 00:23:09 but it's really about can you relate to your players? Can you, you know, can you appease everybody? You know, can you both treat something as a learning experience for George Pickens, but also not upset him. This is just a master class by Mike Thomas. Really is. I think George is going to go off today.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Or this weekend, I should say. I think he's going to have a good day. I think he kind of needs it too a little bit. The talent is so clear. We all love him. I think we all think he's a really good player. But his numbers are a little disconcerting. He's fifth in fantasy points, which is good.
Starting point is 00:23:41 But he's 13th among rookie receivers in yards for route run, just 1.19. That's not a very good number in terms of yards for route run. His efficiency is really bad. Part of that is the offense and the quarterback and the situation. And that there's a lot of common. context there that we need to pay attention to. But he's the only other receiver from the first two rounds. Sorry, the only other receiver that was taken in the first two rounds below him is John
Starting point is 00:24:05 Dotson. So he's like, his efficiency numbers aren't great. I kind of want to see him have a good day. Get those numbers up. Let's get those numbers up, George. Those are rookie numbers. Yeah. Rookie numbers.
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Starting point is 00:25:36 Yeah, D-CAS breaking news. Guys, it's not great. After all that we just talked about earlier, about the bleakness of this week, a couple notes from Thursday. Again, this is happening late in the week. Not great. Sequin Barclay,
Starting point is 00:25:51 famous running back for the Giants, was added to the injury report with the neck issue. and he was... Please God just tell me he, like, slept on his neck weird and he just needs a massage or something. It's unclear yet at this point.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Don't touch him during the season, during the week, okay? Nobody touch him. I did see Giants reporter Jordan Run on say that he doesn't expect it to affect his ability to play, but it's worth noting. So that doesn't sound great. Also, Bengals receiver T. Higgins
Starting point is 00:26:20 was added to the injury report. Again, on Thursday. Dick, Dick, Dick, I don't care. We're still a Senguan. I've got a neck injury. What happened to Sakewan? How do you get a neck injury in Wednesday? It's Thursday.
Starting point is 00:26:30 What happened? I do not know. I do not know. Did it happen in the game? And then they're not adding it till now and they were trying to like not put in the report? Or like did it happen this week when they weren't playing? Like it happened at practice. It sounds like it happened at practice.
Starting point is 00:26:44 Are you kidding me? The Sengone. I don't even know what to do. Also, this is like the worst kind of thing, honestly, for fantasy is when an injury shows up midweek. Nothing worse. Oh, it's very hard to judge what's going to happen. Typically, like, if it's a late injury, it's not good, though, I would say. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:27:00 I'm sorry I was emotional there. What happened to T. Higgins? T. Higgins was added with a hamstring issue, which is, like, like, that's normal. Bad. It's bad, though. It's bad. That's bad.
Starting point is 00:27:09 That's bad. That's just bad. Sequin is like, what the... People use their necks? I... Not on Wednesday. Deonté Johnson was downgraded to did not participate with a hip injury. Let's just cross him off the list.
Starting point is 00:27:24 We're not playing him regardless. Just get him out of here. Yeah. So bad got worse in minutes. Well, whatever. To keep things doomy and gloomy, I wanted to move into a segment. The Al Roker, here's what's happening in your neck of the woods.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Oh, thanks, great. Just bring up necks. Thanks. I appreciate it. Real sense. And your neck of the wood. Woods. Yeah, so here's a weather report that things that you need to keep on your radar
Starting point is 00:27:53 that you have to worry about for the final week of the fantasy regular season. Some rain and snow is afoot on the East Coast. Pittsburgh, Baltimore game, 66% chance of rain and snow, high of 44. Uh-oh. Uh-oh, for what? I mean, Tyler Huntley, I mean, this game
Starting point is 00:28:09 is already, I think, the lowest total of the week. It's 36 and a half. You got snow with the rain. I mean, Deontay Johnson's hurt. Our pets are falling off. Yeah. This could be one of the more brutal games of the week
Starting point is 00:28:24 if it's just like a sloppy mud bath. This game is also the Steelers don't have turf so it can be real muddy. Slop. Yeah. Mudb. What was that quote you just said? It's from Dumb and Dumber.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Oh. It's a very famous movie. Why is it called that? That's irony that you would ask that. Right? Is that irony? No one knows. We should just get rid of the word irony.
Starting point is 00:28:50 I think we should excise it from the dictionary. The least understood term. There were concepts in the world. world. Yeah. Continuing, 50% chance of rain and snow, high of 41 in Buffalo. So we got Mike White heading into Buffalo and potentially inclement environment here. Hot Mike White, Jets receivers.
Starting point is 00:29:09 I don't know, could get scary. And then continuing. White, hot Mike White. That's good. East Rutherford, where the Giants play. Another potential chance of rain and snow, high of 42 in its Giants Eagles game. As if the Saquan situation can't get any worse, it's going to be. Snowing rainy, not only that.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. I just got to highlight briefly how fucking California you are, that one, the thought of a high of 42 being an abomination. One, it can't snow. It's rain and snow. It's not. It's slush. It's like, you can't snow.
Starting point is 00:29:40 42 degrees. Well, that's the high on the day. I don't know. It could still be. It can snow when it's not. I just wanted to highlight that. By the way. Hearing that, that doesn't sound like, okay, sorry.
Starting point is 00:29:49 You know, usually they don't question Al Roker when he's doing his face. Usually it's kind of letting him ride. It's not a lot of editorialism, like, happening. Listen, I'm reading the satellites here, Danny. The Roker's co-hosts just ridiculing him throughout the entire report. That's like the Kirby Adhusiasm episode where Larry David accuses the weatherman of, like, giving false reports so he can go golf. He, like, always claims it's going to rain when he wants to golf. And Larry David, one time season, he goes, I'm on to you, weatherman.
Starting point is 00:30:16 There's a jet dream of bullshit coming out of your mouth. Uh, anyway. The real problem, as if this couldn't get any. worse for Sequin. He's got a neck injury. It's going to be raining in New Jersey. Jordan Davis is back, the rookie D-Lineman for the Eagles. Mountain of a man. When he wasn't playing, the Eagles
Starting point is 00:30:34 allowed only six defenses were essentially worse against the run when he was not playing. He returned last week and held Derek Henry to less yards than Ryan Tannahill in the game. 30 yards to Derek Henry. So add
Starting point is 00:30:47 Sequin to the list of players that I invested my entire season in, really, financially. And, now I'm terrified that he's going to screw me in the last week of the season. You know what the problem is? Sequin and Derek Henry are completely different players when you watch them. But in terms of just like the yardage they accrue, they both have in common of, they more than any other players, I would say, are great running backs, can just have like
Starting point is 00:31:11 14 carries for like 19 yards heading. You know what I mean? And like a half. And then like you're hoping they break off like a 60 yard run that fixes it. But it can get when it's when they don't get that run, it's ugly. Yeah. both guys can just like take losses of two for two straight quarters
Starting point is 00:31:26 every time they run the ball and you feel like you have no idea why this player was ever considered good. Why does he the start? Well, it's like Derek Henry and Tilly does that run if you've never seen Derek Henry play they'd be like, oh, that guy doesn't seem
Starting point is 00:31:37 very good at any of this. Well, Dantrell-Hilliard is like fast as fuck too and like every time he touches it's like, oh, that's an explosive play. Why don't they just play this guy? And then to finish it off, as if things couldn't get worse for Tom Brady and his matchup,
Starting point is 00:31:50 it's supposed to rain in San Francisco. The body language is going to be just all-time low. All-time lows in body language. His dyed hair is going to run. It's going to be a whole disaster. You know the George Michael, like, meme from Rest of Elitman, he just walks with his hunched shoulders and, like, drops his back. Like, that's going to be Brady the entire thing.
Starting point is 00:32:10 They play the Charlie Brown movie. Well, that's right. You said the dyed hair, and I was picturing Brady with, like, the Giuliani at that press conference and all Brady's hair is just, like, dripping down his face. You know, there's a scene. in that where George Michael's walking and they play the Charlie Brown and then they have like the Snoopy House in the background with the dog they actually have that in one of that episodes of the same.
Starting point is 00:32:32 So another week of me being fucking miserable starting Tom Brady. Can't wait. Are we complaining a lot? I don't think, yeah, we seem so miserable. It's the worst week ever. A lot of projection. Why are you going to play Tom Brady? I have a super flex league.
Starting point is 00:32:47 I have to. That's a two quarterback. But if you're in a one quarterback league, I feel like I would play Jared Goff. over Tom Brady. I mean, obviously, like Kirk Cousins, Daniel Jones.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I mean, I kind of like. I don't know if you play. I don't know if you play. You play Daniel Jones in the rain. Well, Daniel Jones is a really tough situation, but like, I, would you play Tyler Huntley or Tom Brady?
Starting point is 00:33:04 Tom Brady. Tom Brady. But he's going to suck. Why do you have to? It's going to look absolutely miserable. The only thing that's more miserable than us in this podcast is Tom Brady all year long. Just absolutely fucking down. Just in the dumps.
Starting point is 00:33:31 We should create the all. Maybe our next power hour can be power ranking the players are the worst body language this season. It just makes George Beckins. Tom Brady. Yeah. Tom Brady makes like Jay Cutler look chipper. You know what's so funny is like how many people, how many times you're like, you know what, Tom Brady, it would be great to be Tom Brady.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Seven Super Bowls. It's like, that must be fun. Look at his life. And then you think about you here, well, how did he do that? Well, he's just miserable all the time. That's like the majority of the process. That's the true key is normal people would think, man, if you're Michael Jordan, you won six titles, you must be happy. But the only reason they won six titles and Brady won seven titles is because they don't think like us and they're never satisfied.
Starting point is 00:34:09 I don't think I ever registered. No such thing is complacency. It's a catch-22. It would be great to have seven Super Bowls, but if you're the type of person who got to seven Super Bowls, you're never satisfied. I have like heard that and I don't think I ever understood that until, the Falcons, the Patriots beat that the Falcons in the Super Bowl and the confetti's falling down. Like, oh, is that like the greatest
Starting point is 00:34:29 win ever? And then they asked Bill Belichick-Refils as, oh man, we're so late to like all our off-season prep. I don't even know. And he's like on to week one. Yeah, he's just like, oh my God, that's just like first thought right now. He's like, we have a tough preseason match up. That's no way to live.
Starting point is 00:34:44 At least Nick Saban does that like performatively. Belichick like mint. All right. Next one here. Again, we're coming back. The SBF fraud Watch Alert, presented by FTX. Dude, this is so weird. What do you up to, Vegas? Vegas.
Starting point is 00:35:00 What do you know? The Minnesota Vikings, who are 10 and 2, 10 wins, two losses. The second best record in the NFL. Underdogs to the Detroit Lions, five wins, seven losses. I basically tried to find any comparable situation. So take out week 17, take out ones with his quarterback injuries. and should be like, okay, is there anything like this where a team with many wins
Starting point is 00:35:25 is underdog to a team with like half as many wins? And the only one I can really find is like last year this Cardinals had like four more wins in the Seahawks and were underdogs in Seattle. And other than that, there's not really a comparable example in us 10 years and depending how you sort filters, but like 30 years. This is a wild situation.
Starting point is 00:35:44 And it's funny after all the Vikings fans, maybe like get some of us to stop bitching about how the Vikings team seems fake that literally a team with half as many ones wins in the division is straight up favor against them. I love this. This is great. And there's like no significant injury. Kirk Cousins is playing, Dalvin Cook's playing, Justin Jefferson's playing.
Starting point is 00:36:01 And also the Lions are home. So it's it was three and two, two and a half depending. We look. So with Homefield Advantage, they're like, yeah, these teams are even. They're the same team. Just depends who's home. The Lions are 13th in DVOA. The Vikings are 20th in DVOA.
Starting point is 00:36:15 I know that the Vikings' offense has been really good this year, but quietly the Lions have been really good too. I did the numbers the other day because I did a take on the island this week that the Lions should just build around Jared Goff is kind of tugging cheap. But the Lions currently are sixth in points per game, seventh in yards per game, ninth in offensive DVA, seventh in red zone giveaway, and fourth in third and fourth down DVA. So they're good in the red zone. They're good on third and fourth downs.
Starting point is 00:36:43 They're good overall in offense. And Jared Goff is like top 10 in almost every category you want to be in EPA for dropback, EPA total. touchdown passes. Yards per cent. Solek just told me this. In the games where Ramon Ross St. Brown plays the whole game.
Starting point is 00:36:58 They're tied for second in expected points added per play with the bills as the second best offense in the NFL. Holy shit. I mean, a lot of the credit is not to goff. That's sort of like,
Starting point is 00:37:07 he's like a red herring. It's Ben Johnson's offense has been really awesome. And they have a lot of good skill players. They have a good run game. They have good offense line. I think that's what's going on here is like Vegas just truly sees the Lions
Starting point is 00:37:19 as like almost the same. same type of team as the Vikings. They're five and eight. I love it. I love it. But here's a thing, but all right, you know what? You know what? We can finally explain this.
Starting point is 00:37:28 How is this possible? You know what it is? Before the show, Craig, you were telling us that you had a friend who is, might go defeated in fantasy football. They're 0 and 13. Yep. And they might go 0 and 14. And your friends are all kind of rooting for your friend to just go 0 and 14 winless.
Starting point is 00:37:44 They're all colluding against him. Yeah. But that friend has more points scored than the person above him who has five wins and he has more points than the guy with five wins. Correct. That's the Vikings and the Lions. That's why these teams are equal. It's the same thing.
Starting point is 00:37:58 It's like the Vikings are 10 and two. They won nine games by one score. I'm sure Vegas views the Vikings as like an eight and six team and I'm sure they view that the Lions is like a seven and 17. Yeah. Why this is what it is. The lion, and you could argue like, okay, maybe the best, you know, Kevin O'Connell has been better, maybe late in games and that the Vikings defense has
Starting point is 00:38:18 obviously been performing, and the Lions have kind of screwing up late games. But yeah, honestly, two and a half is perfect. This will be a three-point game. All the Vikings Finns list, you know, I'm not going to apologize this time. They know. And also, if they're upset, bet. Go ahead and bet on your 10-and-2 team with a positive money line. You put down $10,000, you win $12.
Starting point is 00:38:33 You'll win like $11. So, like, go ahead and just make money if you're Vikings. This is great locker room material for the Vikings, though. I mean, can you imagine what Kevin O'Connell's saying? Like, you guys are not favored against the Lions. We're the second-best team in the NFL by record. You're not fucking favored. It's so true.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Also, just in terms of fantasy, this is like a bonanza for like everybody involved, for golf or Kirk Cousins, for Adam Thielen is suddenly like questionable to not to play, but whether you want to insert him in your lineup. So it's something to feel good about finally, this game. This is the Mario Kart Rainbow Strip.
Starting point is 00:39:02 This is the turbo boost. Like you hit it, you just go 10 times faster. Like the Vikings have allowed the most passing yards this season. And that's not even a volume thing. The Vikings just straight up allow the most pass yards per attempt, period. And then there's the lions. Nice. Who just straight up allow the most fantasy points to quarterbacks, period.
Starting point is 00:39:18 and they're playing each other. And it's just like this. Also, I saw Rich Rebar, I couldn't believe this. The Lions defense allows a first down or a touchdown every three plays. Holy moly. Every three plays against the Lions defense first down or touchdown, which I read that and I was like, that can't be like right. That has to be like wrong, right?
Starting point is 00:39:36 But it's true. This was part of my take on the island that they just need to get fucking defense. Don't worry about the quarterback. The offense is fine. Get defense. You need defense. Like your team, it's untenable in this situation. Speaking of untenable, DK, which are probably unanswerable question of the week.
Starting point is 00:39:55 I was just looking at this Giants game against the Eagles. Who's going to be the most obscure player to catch a pass for the Giants this week? There's some interesting options. Nick Vinette is on the Giants, which I found out when I was researching this question. Gary Brightwell? Great name. David Sills, the 5th. Marcus Johnson.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Do you guys have any other options? Is Gary Bratwell a running back? Yes. Okay. Oh, no, the most of secure giant to catch a pass in this game, it'll be Roscoe Decker. I've never heard of that person. Pardon me? Roscoe Decker.
Starting point is 00:40:33 No, I'm just kidding. He was a character and legend of the fall. Roscoecker, really? Yeah, he's a legend in the fall. That's the point, though. The Giants, they're just made of people who made up names. What? Who is Roscoecker?
Starting point is 00:40:46 My unanswerable question of the week, who's going to have the ugliest offensive performance of the week? Is it, Kenny Pickett and Huntley in the rain? Is it Tom Brady and Brock Purdy in the rain? Is it Trevor Lawrence versus the Titans? Is it Russell Wilson versus the Chiefs? Texans versus the Cowboys? See, here's thing. It's easy to be like, oh, pick it or hunt me in the rain.
Starting point is 00:41:06 But Ross versus the Chiefs is a good one because if the Chiefs, all they have to put up is like, you know, if they are able to kind of beat the Broncos defense rather quickly and put up the 20th and the Broncos is going to start throwing it, it could get really gross, really fast. I just wouldn't bet against Russ to be the most embarrassing quarterback really till I see anything better from them.
Starting point is 00:41:29 This is the all-time game though. My Costanza, I don't know why I was looking at this Chiefs Broncos game. And I was like, the Chiefs have already laid an egg this year once, right? They lost the Colts and they cost everybody in America a lot of money. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:41:44 For some reason, I'm like, is this going to be the game where like the Broncos hold Mahomes to like 14, 14, 21 points? Russ makes a couple deep throws and this game's like tied in the fourth quarter. Okay, so here's the I'm looking right now. If we were to, on Fandall' Sportsbook, if we were to parlay,
Starting point is 00:41:59 the Texans and the Broncos to win these games together, that is 53 to 1. A $10 bet will win $530. Listen, I'm not betting the Texans to win. If we add the Vikings, coward. All right, fine, take the Texans out of it. Broncos and Vikings to win is 8 to 1.
Starting point is 00:42:18 That's not bad. You kind of know what I mean, though? there's something about this game. No, the Broncos aren't going to do. Okay, I don't know. Well, what if it's really what we're talking about is the Broncos and the Texans to cover, right? Yeah, I think the Broncos are getting nine and a half.
Starting point is 00:42:33 No, I could see them like, I could see them like muddying it up and keeping it close. That defense is really good. Nah, I don't know. Let's just bet on whether they score a touchdown or not. Yeah, that seems like a much better bet. I think they'll score a touchdown. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:49 How many points do you do? the Texans score against the Cowboys. Over under 10 and a half. Under. Even with garbage time. The Cowboys will take, yeah, that was going to say. The Cowboys will take, is their second team beat defense better than the Texan stars? That against Davis Mills at your own risk, you guys.
Starting point is 00:43:07 You fools. All right. You guys want to get some emails? Yeah. I have a momentous one. This is from Zach. Zach. Zach.
Starting point is 00:43:18 Hello, guys. Hello. I listened to the podcast today where you talked about Cloice Box, and I wanted to reach out and say that my name is also Cloice. Wow. What? We found a Cloyce. Is this person lying?
Starting point is 00:43:31 Well, he says, I go by Zach, as you can see in my email, as it is my middle name, and Cloice is possibly the strangest name I've ever come across. My parents named me after my great-grandfather. He was a fighter pilot in World War II. Of course he was. I'm only 24 years old, so maybe I'll grow into Cloice later in life. my close friends and my partner call me Cleo
Starting point is 00:43:52 and my football team, I assume he's soccer. My soccer also found out my first name and now they call me Cloy because I'm from Australia. Everything, yeah, everything ends in E. Oh, he's Australian? So he says, yeah, so he says, I was dying of laughter when I heard about Boyce
Starting point is 00:44:05 and then even more when I heard about Fernbox. Boyce Box, Bois Box, Fern Box. Dude, the best part is, I wanted to add to this, legend. Scott Barrett was doing some research for me because he was obsessed for this Cloice Box thing. Apparently, Plois and Fern got divorced
Starting point is 00:44:19 later in life, and Fern married someone whose last name was Carr. And in those days, you wouldn't get rid of your old last name. You'd just, like, hyphenate, apparently. Fern Boxcar? Fern Boxcar. Fern Boxcar. See, that happens in, like, season four of our show.
Starting point is 00:44:37 She leaves Cloes for Mr. Carr. Fern Boxcar. Fern Boxcar. Oh, man. So I couldn't believe we have a list of name Cloice from Australia. Now, let's be real. sounds too good to be true, right? Like, this guy can just email
Starting point is 00:44:51 just says, Zach. So I emailed back, I'm like, hey, I would love to, like, believe you, but I just said, I need a picture. But I've been on the internet before. You just responded, prove it. I need a picture. Name three movies, Clayson. I need a picture of your driver's license.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Cloyce Zach, whatever, responds and says, I don't have a driver's license. Okay. But I've attached a photo of my bank statement and blotted out the relevant information. And he sent it. His bank info. I was just,
Starting point is 00:45:24 you trick this guy into sending him banking information. I was like, don't you have like a student ID, Clois? Like you got to send him your bank info? Number one. Two, Cloice, Zach, you kind of did a bad job blotting out the bank info.
Starting point is 00:45:38 I'm not going to lie. So his name is, Clayish, kind of did a bad job. I feel like I could still steal his bank information. You might want to change your password on things. Yeah. I won't actually do it. You're fine. However, I do want to just throw this out.
Starting point is 00:45:50 His name is Cloice. We have an actual Cloyce Australia listener, but even better. I think... I love that. With the bank statement that he sent me, I kind of think we could steal his identity. So, not only do we have a listed name Clois, we can now become close.
Starting point is 00:46:06 We can become Clois now. This is really taking a turn. We can triple the amount of Cloises in the world. Holy shit. It's great. I've always wanted to be Australian. It seems like such a fun country. Clois!
Starting point is 00:46:22 That's such a good name in an Australian accent. We've been having a lot of people ask you to do the Blue Stone thing. They're just fiend in for it. Is that right? I feel like that we haven't talked about that in so long. I've seen several emails they're like, can we please get Craig to say Blue Stone again? It's just they're missing it.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Blue Stone? That was very satisfying. God, Cloice. Of course his grandfather, Clois was a fighter pilot in World War II. What a stud. We forgot to mention Cloyce was in
Starting point is 00:46:48 either World War II or Korea. I can't remember. I think he was in both. Yeah. Oh my God, that's so sick. We're so soft. The greatest generation, Cloyce.
Starting point is 00:46:57 Why did Fern leave him? It's too busy building a billion-dollar company. Let's not go down that rabbit hole. Fern Box. Fern Box car. Fern Box car. We have a Cloistern. We have a close-star.
Starting point is 00:47:13 That's the best. Unbelievable. Don't ever email people your bank statements. Yeah, that's a good rule. Just don't do that. Unless his name is Sam Bankman-Fried, that guy can handle your money.
Starting point is 00:47:25 I completely did that thing with Andrew Russs worked on the other day. He was like, so yeah, I don't have any money. And he's like, you're like, no, no, no, they think this is a town. Jesus Christ. All right. I also, while we're on emails,
Starting point is 00:47:38 I also want to throw out, we got the legend of the, I don't even know how to go into the legend the fall stuff, but before we do that, I do want to just point out, we've been arguing about this movie, Legend of the Fall. I hate when you have to explain stupid arguments. Legends of the fall, right?
Starting point is 00:47:50 Legend. Is that? I don't know it's not. I've lost track. We need to spend less than two minutes on this. Whatever this is. So all I'll say is a subplot of the argument became whether like movie titles you should know the reason why. And I basically
Starting point is 00:48:08 was like, I think almost all movies once you see them, you know why it's called it. I have between emails and combing through list, I came up with a hand handful of movies that I don't think I immediately know why they're titled it. People sent us a lot of these, and there's a lot of good examples. So the best example, Pulp Fiction. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Apocalypse now? Okay. Yep. A borderline one, clockwork orange. Yeah. I haven't seen that, so I don't really know. But yeah. Ben emailed in and said, die heart.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Yes and no. And then the biggest one of all from Doug, super bad. We got a lot of people saying Superbad. Super bad is, however, the one thing I'll say, I had to go through like 400 emails to come up. We're 400 movies between like the emails and me looking at movies. I feel like I come through 400 movies to find like these six examples. Well, the only thing about Superbad is I feel like it connotes the like spirit of the movie.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Like Superbad, you can kind of understand how it relates. In fairness, the D.K., the question was like, do you basically know why immediately? In Superbad, I'm like, no. Well, there's also movies like Licorice Pizza that I have. have no idea what that has to do with the movie, but I know it doesn't have to do with the movie, and that kind of also counts. Like, I know that, like, I know that Liquorice Pizza has nothing to do with the movie,
Starting point is 00:49:26 so it still qualifies as me knowing that, like, the title's relation to the movie, if I know it has nothing to do with the movie. You know what I mean? Put an ostrichs go on that. That's like a tie. Legend of the Fall has something to do with the movie. Liquorce Pizza deliberately has nothing to do with the movie, and I'm aware of that. There was a couple other that I wanted to throw out really quickly before.
Starting point is 00:49:45 before we move on. Goodwill hunting, which is just like a pun on his name. It's like kind of dumb. But his name is Will Hunting. Yeah, but what does Goodwill Hunting have to do with anything? It's good. It's a goodwill hunting.
Starting point is 00:49:57 Like, Will Hunting's good. Reservoir Dogs? Reservoir Dogs is a good one. That's a good one. Train Spotting? Do you guys know why it's called train spotting? I've never seen that movie. I have seen it.
Starting point is 00:50:07 You've seen it, Craig? I've seen it. It was not clear to me immediately. I looked it up, and it's basically like a reference to... Is it like a Scottish term or something? Well, that's what I was wondering. I don't know if they use this in like regular conversation or not, but it's basically the art of train spotting is when people like to watch trains.
Starting point is 00:50:24 They like to identify the trains and blah, blah, blah. But in this context, it's people with tracks on their arms from doing heroin. You know what I mean? So like it's a reference to the tracks on your arms. But that was not immediately obvious to me. Interesting. Grape's a wrath. What does that mean?
Starting point is 00:50:41 I don't know. Is this where I admit I never read that book? The Constant Gardner. I don't know what that is. Was that like a Brad Pitt? I've seen the movie that won an Oscar. No, it was Ralph Fine. Ray Fines.
Starting point is 00:50:54 How do you say his last name? Fines? Fines. Rave Fines. He said his name completely wrong. So, obviously, the whole legend of the fall. If you didn't get to listen to it, it's either the best or the dumbest thing we've ever done.
Starting point is 00:51:07 I don't know if there's any in between. It's definitely the dumbest argument we ever had. I got a text from a friend and it was like, are D.K. and I, if it's going to fight. We're not physically in the same room, so unlikely, but we're all still friends. This is what you need to know. Men have dumb arguments, and Mark emailed them and said about dumb arguments. We have these two brothers that are friends of ours, and every time, Mark, he says,
Starting point is 00:51:31 we're friends of these two brothers that are friends of ours, and every time we're together, we bring up an old argument they've had, and it might be the dumbest argument two people have ever had. One brother thinks that camouflage is a weapon. and the other does not. What? That's the dumbest thing I've ever. He thinks camouflage is a weapon? A weapon?
Starting point is 00:51:51 Well, he's like, he's kind of expanding the definition of weapon in this argument, right? Like, he's a liberal use of the term a weapon. Right. You can, camouflage helps you in battle so he's considering it a weapon? I guess.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Did you get any more details on this? Or is that the only thing we know about this? So he's gotten, they've gotten extremely heated with each other. Almost every time this comes up, We've had dictionaries thrown at each other. And they also said, one of them once changed the Wikipedia entry
Starting point is 00:52:18 for camouflage to say camouflage is a weapon. If you think about it, you know the movie Predator where he has like the cloaking thing, camouflage? That's kind of like a weapon, I feel like. That's not a weapon.
Starting point is 00:52:29 It's like a, that's just a tactic. It's like a tool. I don't know. You're not using the camouflage. It is like Craig said. It's a liberal interpretation of the word weapon. I just wanted to include that because I thought that was the funniest thing.
Starting point is 00:52:40 someone who's like camouflage, it's a weapon. That's what they argue about. One time in college, my friend and I got in a massive argument about whether or not, so there's the word potent, right? And then there's impotent. Yeah. And he says, he said impotent one time, naturally,
Starting point is 00:52:57 just like one night. He was like, something, something impotent. And I was like, that's not how you say that. And he was like, what are you talking about? I was like, it's impotent. And he's like, it's potent. So you can also say impotent. And I was like, no, you can.
Starting point is 00:53:09 And we argued in front of people. for probably hours and hours. And the next morning he woke up and he was like, I gotta be honest, Craig. 20 minutes into that argument, I knew it was wrong. I just doubled down, strapped in. Now that's how men think.
Starting point is 00:53:25 Yeah. Here's my thing with words. In that situation, you're like, well, you can't do that. It's like, why? And it's like, well, all words are made up. So it's like, if you say it and everyone knows what you mean,
Starting point is 00:53:40 It's not really wrong. It's just wrong because you were told to say it that way. But if everyone knows impotent, I don't know. So everyone knows what that means. Some freaking, like, rebels from England came over, and that's how they said it. And so now we say it or whatever. Like, that's why we can't say impotent. Sounds like you're saying important with like a southern accent.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Also, omnipotent. What about that? Oh, omnipotent. Omnipotent. Oh, omnipotent. Another example. The wrong and fastest on the wrong is the wrongs the last. Yeah. It's tough.
Starting point is 00:54:13 English is a stupid language. Unipotent, so you just say potent. Right. It's potent. Just potent. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't make much sense. It shows more fun when we argue. Great. I'm with your friend. I think you can say impotent.
Starting point is 00:54:31 Yeah, you can. You can sound like a moron. Can certainly say it. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football.Gemail.com. Email us for your dumb arguments that you've had with your friends. Thank you to everyone emails about Legend the Fall. I can't even tell you. I will just give D.K. credit that there was like a tidal wave of back.
Starting point is 00:54:51 I think that people, I think that, let's be real. The Legends of the Fall, people who like the movie did not show up in the email. They didn't show up. And when I said that they didn't show up, now we've gotten just a tidal wave of people defending the movie. So I will give you that, TK. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:55:05 I went and audited our emails. We got a lot of people that were on my side originally, too. You just, like, had selective memory about that. You did a recount. You're like the carry link of like this podcast. You did the whole thing that Craig's friend did. You just like didn't want to hear that you didn't want to admit the truth, which is a lot of people agreed with me.
Starting point is 00:55:26 We're getting we're getting off the rails here. Anyway. All right. We're not doing it again. We're not doing it. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Jesse for perception help. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:55:35 No. Thank you, everyone for listening. Thank you to Al Roker. Unfairly aligned. Sure. Yeah. Thank you to everybody who emailed us. Thank you, Lauren.
Starting point is 00:55:47 Lauren. Thank you, Lauren Hill. Nice. Oh, by the way, we're not saying Lauren. We're saying Lauren from SMO. I don't like when you say it. I like to people just not know. Well, we get a lot of people asking.
Starting point is 00:55:59 So it's, including Ben Solac last year, he was like, why you guys say Lauren? Did we make up some answer? Didn't we like not tell him for a while? Well, Lauren's not like a real name. Like, if you don't know Lauren Michaels, I don't think you know Lauren is a name. It would just assume it's Lauren. I've never heard or met of another Lorne. Are you?
Starting point is 00:56:18 Is it short for something? Are there more Lawrence or Cloisters? How many Lawrence do you think listen to this podcast? Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com, if your name's Lauren, include your driver's license, bank information. Yes. Yeah, mother's made a name. If it's Lauren, you know, just whatever you've got to send us if you're Lauren.
Starting point is 00:56:35 We're close. It says that although on this Wikipedia, his given name is Lauren. It says that Lauren is a nickname for Lawrence. I didn't get that. That would make sense. That would make a lot of sense, Craig. Siri, stop. That hasn't happened in a long time. What about that is what set off Siri?
Starting point is 00:56:54 It says Lauren is a gender neutral name of Scottish origin. All right, goodbye.

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