The Ringer NFL Show - Week 14 Recap:  It’s Mahover, Colts Collapse, Josh “Snow Plow” Allen, Likely a Catch, Notre Lame, and Spring Chickens

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

The guys recap all the NFL Week 14 action by going through categories such as Winners and Losers, Fart or Shart, Intrusive Thoughts, and so much more. (0:00) Intro (1:50) ‘Sunday Night Football’: Texans-Chiefs (14:06) Winners and Losers (29:42) The Oppenheimer Award (40:54) It’s So Over. We’re So Back. (01:14:46) Fart or Shart (01:26:42) Intrusive Thoughts (01:34:05) Ick of the Week (01:40:014 Tom Brady/Magic Johnson Tweets (01:43:20) The Lucille Bluth Award (01:44:22) Two Players Who Outscored Justin Jefferson and a Lie (01:46:18) Fantasy Burn Book Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit http://www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyatton. Today I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Rolbeck, and we are going through all the games from week 14 of the NFL season, a,k.a. the end of the fantasy football regular season. And yeah, the Chiefs just finished a really pathetic Sunday a football game, which we're going to get to in a moment. And winners, losers, burn book,

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We're going to go through all the games from week 14, winners, losers, everything. But first, we have to start Sunday day football. The Texans just beat the Chiefs, 20 to 10. That was really sad at the end. D.K., where are you at right now? Do you feel like that obviously feels like the end of the Chiefs season? Did it feel to you like the end of the Chiefs this season?

Or did it feel to you like that was the end of something bigger, maybe? I mean, yeah, you have to ask the question. Is that sort of the end of this dynamic? Steve, they've been dominating for so, so long. And they're just not very good anymore. I mean, and especially, I think Collinsworth even said it at the end of the game. It was like, it was the star people of this franchise that were making all the mistakes. It was Mahomes.

It was Kelsey just bobbling that pass right into the defense's hands. It was Andy Reid making the most bizarre fourth down call I've seen in a really long time, which I think we should dig into. I think they just gave this game away. Like, they probably should have won this game. Their defense was absolutely dominating. but I think just a handful of plays really just doomed them in this one.

Ten points for the Chiefs, I think it's the fewest they've had at him, a home start at home in his entire career. And then obviously the Chiefs, you know, the 10 years in a row of making the playoffs and then that's down the drain. I don't know. Watching this, do you feel like the Texans are dominant, or, I mean, obviously the defense is dominant,

but this did feel like Kansas City repeatedly could not get out of their own way. I'm so upset with the Chiefs, man. They ruined my night. They ruin my whole day. I needed like just a normal day out of patched homes. I ruined. It's one of the 200 yards and a touchdown, normal stuff.

And it wasn't Mahomes' fault. Rishie Rice, some of the worst drops I've ever seen. On that fourth down at the end of the game, right through his hands. Kelsey, two drops in a row. Tyquan Thornton dropped that beautiful deep ball by Mahon's in the end zone. No one's going to remember that play, but that was a dot that he dropped. It was embarrassing. Has Xavier Worthy?

Has Xavier Worthy ever done anything cool after the catch? I don't remember him from this game. Has he ever done anything memorable after the catch, Xavier Worthy? I say no. And now Travis Kelsey's best play now is like flag baiting. That's like all he can bring to the team now is flag baiting. So I don't think it's Mahomes at all because I actually thought, and the offensive line had guys I'd never heard of playing for them because like they're losing tackles left and right.

They were generating so much pressure. The poor guy was like always having to, his knee was clearly hurt. He still scrambled for 50 yards. He's still such, he's so underratedly like powerful. Mahomes can still break tackles and just like shake dudes off in a way that I feel like you don't really think. of when you think about him running. But man, that was the most frustrating Chiefs game, I think,

I mean, outside of the Super Bowl, the most recent Super Bowl, this is the most frustrating Chiefs game I can remember. It felt like toward the end of the Patriots Brady years when they couldn't move the ball when the defense was playing fine. I don't know. I mean, I totally agree with you on Mahomes.

I thought Mahomes was unbelievable tonight. And, like, I mean, trying to truck Aziz al-Shadir, like the Texans linebacker, like he was putting himself, I mean, he was making throws. I give credit to the, Texas defense who's unbelievable at every level. I think the Rishi Rice drop on fourth down is directly related to Rishu Rice taking one of the harder hits they think you've seen all season.

He was definitely probably concussed. They didn't even check him. That's a theme of the entire day we'll have to get to at some point. It's I don't know what the concussion marks. I don't know what the concussion spotters do. I don't know what they, I think part of it's 70 year old men that get good tickets and it's like you actually could just watch the game on TV, be better at your job.

But I want to go into in particular the decision that Chiefs made at the end of this game. And if you didn't watch, I actually think it was one of the weirder coaching decisions from a good coach in years and one of the worst decisions Andy Reid's made coaching in with clock management in years which hasn't been a thing from since like 2019 but DK so the chiefs were down seven points 17 to 10 there was like I believe five and a half minutes on the clock they have fourth and one at their own 31 yard line and they go for a fourth and one which is really like a fourth and two how did you feel before they ran the play which always poison your what did you think of it before they ran the play well like because I

I think there was two different fourth down plays that we're talking about here. It's the first one. So the first one, it was 10 to 10. It was a tie ball game. There was 10 minutes to go in the game. They were on their own 31 yard line. And I think so to me, this is like the perfect encapsulation. This is the perfect example of the analytics versus human beings making decisions and all that stuff.

Because actually the analytics, according to, I saw this from Seth Walder on ESPN, mentioned this, the analytics was like a slight go in that situation, which I think is insane in the first place. But regardless. And then also, Tariko, I think, mentioned it on it too, on the broadcast too, that it was like,

according to their analytics, it was a like slight go situation where they should go for it in that situation. However, to me, it's like, take everything else that's happening in the game. The Texans cannot complete a pass. They have like negative two yards in the third quarter. Do anything.

I think Stroud was 0 for 8 or 0 for 10 at that point in the second half. Chiefs were absolutely dominating on defense. The Texans literally could not do anything on offense. It was like four straight, three and outs to that point. I don't understand why Reed felt the need to go for it in that situation, considering how much your defense is absolutely dominating. He basically gave them points in that situation.

The Texans, I'm pretty sure, like, every time the Texans had the ball in the fourth quarter was in enemy territory. Like, because of the chief's point-down decision. The Texans didn't even really have to do this. that much to win this game because every time Stroud got the ball in the fourth quarter he was already on like the Chief's 35 yard line. Yeah. So to me this is the perfect example of

you can look at your models and you can use that as a guideline but this is ultimately why human beings making decisions in the situation is so important. I'm usually very I'm usually like pro go for it like be aggressive all that. The boomers won tonight.

They should have punted in that fucking situation. 100% should have punt it. Everyone's going to be like do the analytics, the analytics. the analytics don't make the decision. The head coach makes the decision. This was Andy Reid's fault. Like, let me tell you something. It's not like Andy Reid had got, they're like, hey, Andy, the math says go for it.

And he was like, oh, shucks. Oh, geez, I guess I have to. That's not how it works. The head coach's job is to hear the percentage chance and then change it and tweak it to his thing. Let me tell you what happened. Andy Reid was tilting. That's what happened. And I want to see otherwise, but you can't convince me otherwise because especially the

play they ran was incredible. In poker, there's a term called tilting, which is when you lose a big hand or something crazy happens to you, he lose a lot of money, you get a bad beat, and you are very emotional. And the next stand or two, you make way worse, and you are just basically crash out and you're making very emotional decisions instead of like, you know, analytical decisions as they should be. I just joined it. What happened? I just joined a Japanese horse racing fantasy league now that I'm kicked out of the ringer league.

Is that tilting? Exactly. Yeah, there you go. No, no, I mean, that's super normal. That happens all the time. But I'm telling you, I just think Andy Reid was so frustrated. I think it was years. I think that was that moment was the.

culmination of either drives of frustration or years of frustration with this offense not working. I don't know where you want to draw the line, but that was, it's hard for me to not think that that felt like it was the entire sense that this could be ending of Andy. Frankly, it was this guy being like, we haven't not made the playoffs since 2014, and he was just angry. And he just kind of crashed out. And it wasn't that different to me than someone rage quitting and Madden to make that decision there.

You cannot tell me that Andy Reed, deep down in his soul, Souls, is happy he went for it and fourth and won at his own 31. I'd be curious if there's anything else in his entire coaching catalog like that moment. In a tie game when your defense is playing like that. It's just bizarre to me, especially in a game, like you mentioned earlier, where you're down for starting offensive lineman against a really good defense. It's not like Mahomes. It's like, oh, it's Mahomes.

They can get this in their sleep. Like, they couldn't move the ball. It was a long one, which is another thing the analytics doesn't get into. like fourth and one, it's funny, you don't think about it, but fourth and one can be eight inches or like, you know, 50 can kind of both be fourth and one. And that was closer to like a yard and a half than it was 10 inches. And again, this is the team that doesn't quarterback sneak. But again, I think that that's the point to me is I think Andy Reed just kind of broke

character for a little bit. He's a really smart guy. But like that was the emotions of this run over overcoming them. And I know, look, maybe I'm out over my skis here. They had a great play. But also his genius play had an orbit motion where one of the defensive tackles was so late getting subbed. He slipped and fell down. The nose tackle on fourth and one fell flat on his face.

And then they couldn't even stab the ball because they had a motion attached to it. And I'm like, oh, my God. But I think that encapsulated the whole thing. To your point, Kelsey, bobbing a ball, which again has been problems since week one. Right, right. It's over. It's over for Travis. He had a great run.

He's a Hall of Famer. He's one of the best titans ever. That's it. You know what? I'm glad the Chiefs are not going to be in the playoffs. I'm happy to take a year off. They can retool, draft a second round,

Ryder receiver and a first round lineman. Come back next year, firing. I'm okay with not having to watch this this year. Yeah. I don't know. I'm the same. DK,

I lean toward things, things don't end well or else they wouldn't be ending. And that's how I feel about this Chief's team. I don't think it's ending. Well, it's not ending. It's ending. It's ending.

They still have Reed. It's just they're not dominant like every fucking year. Ebbing is fair. Yeah, it's lying fallow. And again, the defense played great and they're young. If they don't, even if they don't make the playoffs, I bet you their Super Bowl odds next year will still be top four, top five. Absolutely.

I think the key here is that Mahomes, even with a goddamn knee brace, was unbelievable tonight. I do have serious questions about this offensive situation because I think at this one, again, I think it's very similar. This is how Andy Reid's tenure with the Eagles ended. And again, I don't want to show too many conclusions. because in theory, I guess they could still make the playoffs. And this is the best defense in the NFL.

And if anything, it was kind of shocking how good this third string left tackle played against Daniel Hunter. That was almost like weird how well he held up. But it's probably better to have new blood. Like, I think we're all tired of this team. What this guarantees is like we won't have an Eagles cheese Super Bowl, which is great. Yes. I know we do have to give credit to the Texans because the Texans.

Yeah, they're awesome. Well, I was going to say that too. I love watching the Texans now. The offense, not so much. The defense is so fun to watch. I mean, this, this reminds me. And again, I know, like, every time I mentioned the Seahawks, people probably grown. But it's like, it reminds me of prime L-O-B, Seahawks.

They're just, they're just, like, the Petre hit on Rishie Rice was incredible. They've got an incredible secondary, Kamari Lasseter, Stingley, Kael and Bollick. Like, all these guys are just flying around. Their linebackers are just, like, prowling over the middle of the field and hitting guys hard. Like, their defensive front is really good. at the pass rush, all that stuff. They just, they're so fun to watch defensively. Now, if only they could just do anything on offense.

Dude, if Stroud and the offense could be okay, they're the best team in the AFC. This Texan's team reminds me of... They might be Super Bowl caliber just because of the defense. Stroud just needs to be solid and they can win the Super Bowl. They remind me of like, I mean, this is a little traumatic, but 06 Bears with what Rex Gersman was the quarterback. They're on as good as the 2000 Ravens defense,

but like Trent Dilfer's the quarterback, the Bucs, John Gruden, but it's like Brad Johnson's the quarterback. I know that's a little different. But this is the year to have a defense drag you do the Super Bowl. Yes. And it does. They do feel like one of those all-time defenses where the offense is just kind of ebbs and flows. And Stroud felt like he was doing my home's cosplay at points where he was doing dumb things that then were working out.

But he was like just off. But like a third and 17, he's making happen like this scrambling out of field goal range and getting them back in. I don't know. But I don't know what the Texans were doing offensively in terms of like what the game plan was. but it felt like for the entire third quarter. The only play they did was they snapped the ball, Stroud backs up as fast as he can, and then throws the ball at the foot of like offensive linemen.

And it's like that was their offense for like a solid like hour. If I had told you one of these teams is down four offensive linemen, you probably would have thought it was the Texans. Okay, anything else in Chiefs Texans before we get in the rest of the games here? Excruciating game. Unbelievable.

Okay. let's get to winners and losers here. Craig, I want to start with you. Winners, losers, week 14. This might sound counterintuitive, but my winner is the Chicago Bears. Obviously, the Packers won the game. I think the Packers are a really good team.

They are clearly a winner of the day and in pole position to win their division. However, I wrote down while this game was tied, or actually, it was while the Bears were down seven and they were about to begin their final drive that ended in the Caleb pick. I wrote down, I don't care what happens in this game.

the Bears are a winner. Because it was an intrusive thought that I was thinking about as I was watching the game and it kind of blossomed into like, you know what, I'm just going to throw it in winners and defend it. I just think this team is clearly going to be one of the best teams of the next five years. And I think Caleb is going to be a star. And I think Caleb is really going to work with Ben Johnson. And I think already what we've seen in only 14 weeks is impressive enough and the roster is good

enough. And Caleb brings that spark and can do things like when he's rolling out that nobody else can do, and with Ben Johnson's play calling, I do not think this team is that far away from being really fucking good. They were on the road in Green Bay. They lost by seven. They were one play away from tying the game and going to overtime. It was seven degrees. This is

a playoff game. I mean, this is like as difficult as it gets. They had drives in this game, the Bears, they had a 17 play drive, a 14 play drive, a 10 play drive. They had more first downs in the Packers in this game. I thought this was a really, really impressive performance in a game. They were down

the entire game. And Caleb kept, put together these long sustained drives coming back. He was not good in the first quarter, and I thought he got better every single quarter. I'm just like fully buying in, and I would like to invest in Chicago right now. Yeah, I mean, I think Caleb Williams said like 35 yards at halftime. I mean, the second half, he absolutely came alive and kept the bears in it. Yeah, I mean, obviously, tons of credits for the Packers for winning that. I thought a couple things for the Packers.

Christian Watson, he's really, really good, man. He looked awesome. He just brings this explosive element to their team that they were. desperately needing. I thought Jane Reed being back was huge for them. Overall, good win for the Packers. But I agree with Craig. I think it does feel like this is,

because you know how there's all these, those flash in the pan teams that get to like eight and three, eight and four, whatever, but they're just like they haven't beat anybody and they're not actually any good. This was their prove it game. Yeah. Show me that you belong.

Like, I think we went into the season. They fought, yeah. Yeah, we went into the season thinking the Packers were going to be good. Then they traded from Michael Parsons and they were a Super Bowl favorite. And the Packers are good. and their defense is the top five defense, and they are good,

and Jordan loves playing well. And that's the only reason why I'm not, like, congratulating them. I'm sure people are going to be mad, like, how are you giving the team that lost the winner award? Well, you should wait until, like, get to your loser, who's the Green Bay Packers. Right. But, yeah, it's like the Packers are doing what we expected them to do. The Bears, the expectation was all over the place.

And I think this is incredibly impressive what they've already done. And you can see it. There's a great quote from Josh Jacobs talking about the Bears after the game. He said, you can see what the head coach is pre-teachers. You see how the guys are embodying that. Even on the field, they are straining a little bit more. They are doing a little bit more. You could tell they are believing in what he's preaching.

And I think I guess I am too. And I like Caleb misses throws still and like he still makes boneheaded decisions. But I think like what he can do with his legs right now, I think it's like Josh Allen, Caleb, number two, in terms of what you can do with your legs based on what we've been seeing from Lamar this year. And and Caleb can still, can make throws with his arm that are Aaron Rogers S. Kifetz, you make that comp. And like, he does some shit when he rolls to his right. That is really, really impressive.

And I think Ben Johnson is like sucking the boneheadedness out of him and turning him into a legitimate quarterback. And you can see it already this early on. And so I just, I feel like they're going to be good. Yeah, they feel to me like, I mean, obviously anything can happen still because they're probably going to go to playoffs. But they feel to me like the team that's just like a year away still. You know what I mean?

Like this is the beginning of something that could be good for the Bears. But I, like, I'm watching that game. I think Colson Loveland is going to be a star, actually. I think what I've seen from him over the last six or seven weeks has been really, really impressive, like the way they utilize him. I don't know if, like, the stats have necessarily been, like, electric or anything like that, but I think he's going to be a really, really good player. You know, if Roman Doonzee can ever stay healthy, I think he's going to be a good player.

DJ Moore. I think DJ Moore just needs to go to a new team. DJ Moore's not going to be on the Bears next year. Luther Burden is good, and Luther Burton basically was the number one today. Burden Lovelland in a Dunezee is a great trio. The racing, D.C. Moore should have caught the touchdown. Like, that interception, Caleb had two touchdowns on that play. Well, I would say, earlier touchdown.

I was open. He just floated the past too much. Like, he just missed the throw. He just missed the throw. Yeah. But DJ, DJ Moore was open, but the more you watch that play, by the time Caleb was throwing, DJ kind of opened up kind of after he released the ball. It was, it was, that was like a real Twitter opinion to be like DJ Moore's open. I feel like when you're actually in that play, you can't, that's a really hard throw to make.

to anticipate, but I don't know. That's my, we don't have to talk too much about the Bears because they literally lost the game. I was just impressed. I like this. Yeah, so Bears lost, yeah, Packers number two seat in the NSC. No, the Packers are meeting their expectation. They're doing what we wanted out of them, which is impressive.

I think the Bears just exceeded our expectations so much, especially in this game. No, it's true. Caleb is aesthetically Rogers, and Jordan Love is, today, I think, was a big Brett Fav game for Jordan Love. I mean, he had the worst throw of the day. I'm so mad at Solak posted But he was great

He was really good today Solek posted in exactly what I've been trying to say about love for like five years or three years I guess which is Jordan Love doesn't throw that many interceptions but when he does do the stupidest

fucking interceptions you've ever seen in your life and Jordan Love did one out of the gate and then he settled down and he had honestly his touchdowns are just so Brett Farvey they're not Rogers Z necessarily and Jordan Love just shucking balls downfield

he was awesome yeah he was fantastic and Josh Jacobs is so good too I know and Jane read back like they're I They're a team that can win the Super Bowl, definitely. Their defense is fucking awesome. Since Packers fans are so angry about you talking about the Bears,

then I'll shout out the Packers fans. And my loser today is all the referees and all the games and all the committees. Nightmare. Nightmare Day for the rest. The referees starting with the Packers. Many time human beings have to make decisions. Anyone in charge of adjudicating anything did not do very well this weekend. Packers Bears, I mean, we don't have to get it to everything, but I mean, Luther Burden just grabbed Kishon Nixon,

the Packers cornerback by the three. wrote like he was Darth Vader. And then Luther, Kisho Nixon was like, get off me. And then they flew a flag on him. Micah Parsons probably was held 12 times. They probably should have thrown four to five holding flags and he didn't get any calls, which was crazy. But he could just go down the line.

Every game was so bad. The Raven Steelers game was like botched job. Like probably the, maybe the worst referee game of the entire season was Raven Steelers. Sunday night football, the rarely seen replay assist zooms in and then the changes a call. the referees had to get on and be like replay assist was wrong. They challenged the replay assist. They challenged replay assist, which I cannot stress enough, goes to replay assist. Replay assist in New York was like, we changed our minds.

Then they threw the red flag and made them watch it again. And they were like, oops, we were wrong. And they had to admit it. God, this is so ridiculous. Which is so sad that they had to challenge. But anyway, all of all of all, I'm not even getting into the college football playoff, which I want to talk about later, but the committee. changing. They had Notre Dame and Miami

ranked back to back. Even though Miami had beat Notre Dame, they had Notre Dame ahead. And they somehow on Tuesday of like five days ago were like, yeah, yeah, Notre Dame's head Miami. Neither team plays. And then they flip Miami Notre Dame. I don't know what the committees are. I want to talk about Notre Dame. But overall, I just think the referees were just

after not that bad of a season. Just everyone was horrible today. I think I should be the ref of the NFL. I think if it's me on my couch, I get 99% of calls right. And I will also diagnose concussions on the spot as well. I actually think you should be the head ref.

I'm going to be the concussion spotter for the NFL. I could do they not have people that do they are the concussion spotters. No one has access to actual like game footage. It feels that way. Are they just like standing on the sidelines? It is a good policy. They're like standing behind all the six foot five 300 pound guys. Yeah, it's like a five seven guy.

trying to see over people. They're like under their shoulder pads jumping over them. I dead ass think that's the problem. They give these people, these doctors who probably need glasses, good seats. They need to just not be there. They don't need to be there. Just let them watch the goddamn game on television. They would do a better job.

They need to have doctors on the sidelines, but then the people at home are watching. And then they call in and say, hey, Rishi Rice, number four, check him. We should be able to vote like it's American Idol. It's unbelievable. Like T. Higgins, which, I mean, T. Higgins is a top five. receiver and fantasy this week, but I'm like, T. Higgins, who had a concussion last week. I know. I don't know how Teagan stayed in the game, but there's, it's crazy how much the concussion spotters was. There were some report on T. Higgins, it was funny. It was like,

T. Higgins, who is in and out of the game today with concussion like, in and out of the game, I'm like, in and out of the game. I'm like, in and out of the game. It's in and out, he hits his head on the frozen turf in and Buffalo, and I'm like, what is going on? Anyway, so coming out, woozy, and then they put him back in. And he comes out, woozy. It's, it's this crazy. Uh, I, it's this crazy. Uh, I, it's this crazy. I, Ironically, this is also almost definitely why they've been smelling salts is because they were like, wait, so we're providing these things that let them go in? No, no, no, you got to bring that from home. That's not our thing.

Anyway, so yeah, Tia gets brought his own smelling salts, so it's fine. D.K., who's your loser of the day, week 14? Gotta go with the Colts. The Colts wagon, once again, has lost a wheel, tipped over into the river, fording the river, died of dysentery and cholera and all that stuff. I mean, I can't, like, can you even imagine being a Colts fan right now? this is the worst possible runout I could have actually imagined at this point.

Yeah, I think this is one of the most devastating seasons in recent memory. Like starting that hot and ending this way is about as bad as it gets. It's worse than just being bad the whole time. Yeah, sorry for burying the lead. Daniel Jones tore his Achilles today in the game. And the problem here is,

obviously, this is still a pretty good team, but now they're down to Riley Leonard is going to be their starter. Anthony Richardson is on the injured reserve. He's not coming back. Like, he's still, I think, having issues with his eye. He is Anthony Richardson.

So he was doing that big. I know it's funny. He got injured reserve because he hit himself with a with a band. So it's funny because that happened. But it's very serious though because actually apparently because he broke his face with a freak band accident. Apparently they were really worried about his eye like maybe losing the eye or something.

So to go to the hospital. He had blur. This happened in October. Stephen Holder and ESPN reported that Anthony Richardson had blurry vision in the eye till like a week and a half ago. Man. So like it's not even. whether his face is healed. It's like they don't even know

about his vision yet. So he's, I don't know if he comes back to see. They can't even use this as a way to see Anthony Richardson play football. But yeah, Riley Leonard, who, I mean, speaking to Notre Dame, couldn't play, he couldn't throw the ball in college last year. Now he's going to run the cold. This is a disaster. I mean, fantasy, if you have Michael Pittman

or Alec Pierce, even Jonathan Taylor and Fantasy, this is a catastrophe for you. Tyler Warren going to the playoffs. There's like the number one or number two tight end or whatever coming into the week. He's been slowing down a lot. He has been. I have Tyler Warren. and he's single-digit fantasy points, five of his last six games.

So he was already slowing down and it's coming to a stop now. And if you're a real-life Colts fan, I mean, this is, I mean, we were dubious at best to the trade, but they gave up two first-run picks for Sauce Gardner, which we felt even if the Colts were

a Super Bowl contender was a hefty, hefty price to pay for a cornerback. And that was assuming Sauce Gardner would be the guy he was two or three years ago, not this year or last year. Sauce Gardner gets a non-contact

cast strain that their word could become an Achilles. and then Daniel Jones tears his Achilles. After breaking his other leg. After breaking, it has a fracture in the other. That's the other biggest loser of the day is Daniel Jones's friends from Duke who made the knee scan with the app.

I don't think that went very well. But no, I mean, it's, I think this is the shortest lived all-in period I've ever seen in the NFL. They traded two first. They got literally, Sauce Gardner played partial snaps. They won. They didn't win one game with Sauce Gardner

when he played a full game. And then he got hurt. This is a, and they have no first. Here's the other thing. The Colts might miss the playoffs. Oh, for sure. They're going to. They're projected to miss the playoffs.

I mean, the Texans and the Jags are surging. One of those two are going to win the division. The other one's probably going to be the Wild Card. The Colt, have you seen the Colts next four games? Yeah, the Colts beat, sorry, by the way, the Colts lost to the Jags today, 36 to 19. Their next four opponents at the Seahawks against the 49ers who are against all, it's still really in it, still playing well, against the Jags at home.

So that's obviously a big one for them. finish the year at Houston. So good luck, Riley Leonard. They're probably not going to win a game. Best of luck to you in all that. It's hard because I could, from the Colts perspective, from the leadership of the organization, from their perspective, I can understand why they're like, if there's any time to go all in, like now is the time.

Like our offense is an absolute wagon. You know, we're in a division that's like up for, we could definitely win this division, blah, blah, blah. Like this is a weird year, no elite teams. I can understand the arithmetic of like going all in and making this Soss Garner trade, but truly like can't imagine a way, a worse way that it could have gone down. Like this is like horrific in terms of how it's a runout. Victor is right to spoils.

And it's like, you know, if the Rams had done anything other than trading all their first, eight years in a row without a first run pick and then they ended up winning a Super Bowl in their home stadium they had just built, any other runout would make fun of them. But the reality is the culture now, the cautionary tale at quarterback in terms of taking Anthony Richardson and they're the cautionary tale at the trade deadline now of giving up two firsts. Since the next GM is going to take a risk and spend two firsts in a pick and anything.

Here's the question. What do they do with Daniel Jones now? Because Daniel Jones might not play next year. I mean, he probably will but like, we've seen what guys coming off of Achilles injuries look like. Daniel Jones is not going to get surgery on the Achilles for a week. I got to remember when Aaron Rogers tore his Achilles is week one, Kirk Cousins was week five and he still was iffy last year. They were in their late 30s.

Daniel Jones is not going to get surgery. surgery on that thing for like probably, I don't know, two days to maybe 10 days. Like he's getting surgery in mid-December. He's going to, what, get reps in seven months, eight months? Like, he's also a mo-his. His whole thing is mobility. It's like, you want pocket pastor Daniel Jones? Like, no, they have to bring in competition for Richardson next year.

I think they'll bring in somebody, I think they'll sign Jones to a smaller deal. Yeah, because he's a free agent, by the way. Yeah. I think he'll bring in somebody who's like bridge-like and then have Daniel Jones try to come back and stick to and give Daniel Jones another go, is my guy. I think Jones, yeah, he probably has to go back to Indianapolis to rehab or it's too bad. Maybe it goes to Minnesota. I don't know.

It's too bad. But overall, the reality is the cult started seven and one. And then there's a reality they finished two and seven. They're facing two of the best defenses in the NFL on the road. And then in the next four weeks, the Seahawks defense, which in fantasy, the only player with more fantasy points than the Seahawks defense the last two weeks is Josh Allen. That's who they're playing next week. And then the Jaguars, who just crazy, beat him by 17. So the Colts, I am genuinely sorry for the.

I mean, and that Colts lost, I mean, it makes the Chiefs loss even more devastating because the Colts losing out on Daniel Jones now. I'm like, man, if the Chiefs can get by the Texans, they have a real shot to be the wild card now because the AFC South is not going. There might only be one team, but the Chiefs still lost. And so now it's Houston's spot to lose. Crazy. The I Am Become Death Oppenheimer Award for player who went nuclear. I mean, I think it has to be Josh Allen for the, I mean, the bills. I mean, Josh Allen's a superhero, man.

The Bills beat the Bengals 39 to 34 today. Josh Allen completed 22 of 28 passes, 250 yards, three touchdowns. Two of Josh Allen's three touchdowns were just on fourth down, including a laser to Khalil Shakir. That was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen, except that he just can, he has a fucking bazooka. Joshon ran nine times for 80 yards, basically.

He hit a 40-yard touchdown run that looked like the most effortless, goddamn 40-yard touchdown run I've ever seen from quarterback. He had another run in third 15 that iced the game. Number one quarterback in fantasy today. Number one quarterback in fantasy on the season for Josh Allen. He's wearing the hats to the stadium that are the drawings of the kids in the pediatric cancer center in the local hospital in Buffalo. Like he is literally, he's just a superhero. I think he is as fun and amazing and pure and just purely lovable to watch and as a guy as any NFL player I can remember, honestly.

I agree with you. And I think now, even though they're not going to win their division, I think if the bills don't make the Super Bowl this year, it will be the most disappointing season in the Josh Allen area. Mahomes is not going to make the goddamn playoffs so you don't have to worry about losing in Mahomes. Lamar and the Ravens are... Burroughs not going to make the playoffs. Burroughs not going to make the playoffs. No Lamar, no Burroughs.

I mean, they have the top odds of any AFC team to win the Super Bowl right now. I mean, if you can't get through Drake May, Bow, Bo, Nick, C.J. Stroud. Like, the bills need to make the Super Bowl. That is a great call, Craig. I was thinking that today, I was so right, because I was thinking today,

I was like, can Josh Allen win a Super Bowl so we can just skip to the where is he rank among the best quarterbacks ever? What is the excuse now? Like, if you have no Mahomes, Lamar or at Burrow or anybody to get through and you can't even make the game, that is going to be really bad. And this is the easiest schedule they've had in five years, too. And they, yeah, you're right, Craig. It was amazing.

And also, yeah, fuck, you are right. They better make it. I can't wait for them to lose to the Texans or whatever in the divisional round. I thought also did Josh Allen and the snow? I haven't checked this. I'm pretty sure that he averages 45 fantasy points. Yeah, I did. I was just Lieutenant Ronald.

He's a fucking polar bear. Ron Spears running through foyer or whatever it was. I mean, he was just, yeah, it was incredible. Can you even imagine? Just forget football. Can you personally imagine running full speed on snow? Actually, like, letting it loose. Yeah.

Can you imagine sprinting on stuff? He looks, he's so much better than everyone. But the Bengals, this was, I thought this was the most fun game to watch, like purely fun game to watch. I mean, bro looked amazing in this game, too, other than two just crazy picks. I know. The reality of this game is like, if you kind of watch, Watched it, you're like, the Bengals kind of should have won.

They were playing better the first, like three, the first three quarters, the Bengals were winning and were better. Joe Burrow had zero. I mean, he hasn't played a lot of games this year, but Joe Burrow had no picks the entire season. And then he had two picks in back-to-back plays. The bills scored 21 points in five minutes of game time. The bills were down 10. And then Josh Allen is a 40-yard touchdown run. Joe Burrow, who had no picks to that point in the season, has one of the most J.J.

McCarthy, Carson Wentz, ass looking. picks you'll ever see where he it looked like Joe Burrow like it looked like when you do pop a shot like he just kind of like tried to just launch it over Christian Bedford and he thought about it too much because he's trying to just like lob it over the defender. That play

I couldn't believe this. So next gen stats they keep track of win probability that play that Burrow through the pick was the biggest swing at win probability for a play outside the two minute warning in the entire time they've been measuring win probability to switch the win probably by 60%. Then he threw a pick on the next goddamn

in play. Yes. Again. That was just a tip ball that wasn't his fault. But the first one was one of the worst interceptions you'll ever see.

And it's like if that were Max Brosmer, everybody'd be freaking out. But of course, it's a good quarterback. So you kind of have to forget about it. But it was also, it's the double stink when you,

you get tipped and then it's just you versus the defender now. And then you get trampled. Yeah. It's like the double whammy. It's like punched and kick. Which that was Jaden Daniels today. And then he landed on his like bad,

his bad arm, his bad elbow. He got blocked into bracing himself on his bat at arm. And it was like, oh, yeah, right. Like, why did you think that that might not have happened when you just come back and played football? Burroughs throw to Higgins. Burroughs throw to Chase Brown. I mean, Burrow was playing really well for the most part.

Obviously, those picks were backbreaking. T. Higgins doing it with one hand, the second touchdown, one hand while the defenders holding the other one post-concussion for the third time. And however many times, you know, it's pretty impressive. Josh Allen doesn't have a nickname, does he? No, it's because the three-syllable guys don't have nicknames. should it be something snow related or like cold weather related because it feels like he's the one quarterback who gets better when it's cold and snowy he needs something he's like Derek Henry

I don't know if it's like the snow plow or something but he needs a nickname no plow wow the plow email us about I think of my name I fucking love cocaine just cocaine here upenhimer today uh Pooka Nakua I mean man not much of a game here obviously is the Rams just absolutely boat race the Cardinals in this game, but Puka Nakua, seven catches

162 yards and two touchdowns. He scored 32 points on the day. The Y-receiver won. His second touchdown, I believe, was really, really impressive. He just went over the guy, spun in the air, landed, and then basically backpedaled into the end zone. This guy's incredible.

He had another really nice one-handed catch earlier in the game, too. I mean, it's just like his connection with Matt Stafford is second to none. He is the Y-Receiver 2 on the season, just to recap kind of where he is. He's just slightly behind JASN. Jackson Smith and Jigba had two touchdowns

again today. So obviously these are like the two best receivers in fantasy right now, two the best receivers in the NFL. So just wanted to shout out Puka. You know, not much to talk about from that game, but he looks amazing. He's the only wide receiver in the league

that I would describe as a maniac. Yeah, 100%. He's a maniac. Yeah. Also a maniac, Michael Wilson for the Cardinals, who has like turned into the greatest receiver of all times since Marvin Harrison has been injured. It's such a bad look.

Michael Wilson, 142 yards and two touchdowns again today. Dude. Scored over 30 points in fantasy. I know it was a lot of garbage time, but Michael Wilson, I mean, Marvin Harrison Jr. is 40 catches this year. I believe the three games Marvin Harrison Jr. is not played. Michael Wilson has 36 catches in those three games. 36 catches. Marvin Harrison is 40 on the whole year.

Michael Wilson joins only Jamar Chase and Pooka Nukuah for players to have three games with 10 plus catches this year. And he's basically only had four games as like a relevant player. How high if Jacobi, look, because there's been a bunch of like reports and rumors this week. The Cardinals are going to trade away Kyler Murray, which seems obvious. If somebody will take him. I was going to say. Somebody will, I think, because there's just not that many quarterbacks in the world.

And he's still a starting caliber quarterback, even if he's not as good as everybody kind of thought it was. Is he? Because where's, yes. Can I actually push back on that for a moment? Where's Jacob, be sure. But someone is going to trade for him. But Jacobi Percept probably would have been ranked 30th to 32 among starting caliber quarterbacks, right? Somebody's going to talk to themselves into trading for-cats.

I mean, they literally put him on IR rather than competing with Jacoby percent. I know. I always joke that he just feels such like a Raider, but I'm like, a Raider's going to trade for him? I don't know. Somebody will trade for him. Anyway, I mean, I don't know. I can't see the future, but I think the scarcity thing will matter. But what I was going to say was say Jacoby Percet, because I think he's still under contract next year.

He's the starter going into the season next year. Where are we going to rake Michael Wilson in fantasy? Well, I'll tell you, over the last five weeks, he is the wide receiver four, so I'll probably put him there. Is he going to be a first round fan? That's what we should make that a tattoo right now of just like, just take Michael Wilson in the second round. He's going to go over Marvin Harrison, Jr., isn't he?

Over. All right, I think that is. People stick to their guns. People stick to their guns. How could you ever take Marvin Harrison Jr. over Michael Wilson? Is he the next to Vante Adams, where just like the first three seasons of his career were mediocre and now he's just going to be incredible.

That's actually not a bad comp, Craig. That isn't a bad com. I know a lot of it's garbage time with Michael Wilson, like, especially today. Marvin Harrison has a lot of garbage time too. Why isn't he racking up catches? I know what I was going to say. Marvin Harrison, again, he's a super average player. He's at a couple drives this season that were good in clutch moments.

He's mostly done other shit in garbage time. Michael Wills, I know, again, I know that it's a lot of garbage time. But also, it's a lot of stats. There's a lot of players that get garbage time. This guy has almost like 450 yards in the three games without Marvin Harrison. I, I, I, that, I, I, that, I, I, I, that, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, you know what it reminds me of is, um, fuck, who's the, so the, the, the, the, the Cowboys receiver from, like, the early, Miles Austin.

Miles Austin. He, he, he reminds me, he was, he was, he was such a frustrating fucking fantasy player to have. Yeah. But he just came out of nowhere. Yeah. You know what I mean? And then all of a sudden, he was just like 300 yards. 250 yards.

Yeah. Crazy games. Miles Austin. Insane. Okay. Yeah, Michael, just Michael Wilson thing is unbelievable. Also, again, I mentioned Blake Corman in that same game. Also, was the number three running back on the entire day. What we're talking about Oppenheimer?

Clay Corm had 120 yards and two touchdowns. Any of their Oppenheimer is correct? Yeah, I'd like to shout out Tony Pollard for the Flaccid Oppenheimer Award for the most insignificant fantasy explosion of the year. Tony Pollard. How many people started Tony Pollard? Email us if you started Tony Pollard. He had 160 yards, two touchdowns.

He was the RB2 on the day. Tony Pollard scored 23% of his season-long fantasy points today. A fourth, basically, of his fantasy points of the season was today. He probably scored 18% of it on two ruts. And this was in a Titans win over the Browns, which now Hafeitz vaults your New York Giants to the number one pick in the draft right now. Is it vault or is it more like low, you know what I feel like it's more like drops to a trap for? Ratchets down.

Sinks? I don't know, but congrats. Well, you know, this is the best in the sap of the Giants in weeks. But I'm sure they'll find a way to blow the number one pick because they always do. Very likely. Enough about my team. I want to get to your team, Craig, Steelers Ravens. But first, the ringer fantasy football shows brought to by Fandall. Football fans, the best way to game day is on Fandall.

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When we do the rewatchables at the end of the year, we have to keep track of who won the who flip-flopped the most. Yeah. And it's probably the team I'm about to speak about. Well, we've already made several montages of Craig flip-flopping on the Steelers. This is what it is. This is the Steelers' experience. And it's why they're actually easy to bet on

and why we've been so, so we've hit on them so many times this year of a Ringer 107 because they're the Costanza team. When everything seems like it's going one way, you just do the opposite. And it's correct. They look terrible last week.

They're playing the Ravens. Of course they're going to beat the Ravens. Everybody wants Mike Tomlin fired, including me. Rogers is yelling at his teammates. The fans are booing, renegade. This is exactly the time you bet on the Steelers. and of course they win this game.

They beat the Ravens. They take pole position to win the AFC North and make the playoffs, blah, blah, blah. They came out the gate looking great. I have to say, when Rogers feels good, Rogers still looks good. And there was a great quote that, D.K., I would like you to comment on. Rogers was asked after the game about how successful he was on the move today. He was really good outside the pocket, 100 yards in a touchdown. He was looking sprightly out there.

He ran in a touchdown, looked good. First playing a game, 50-yard right in. D.K. Metcalf's lap. Yeah. But they asked Rogers about him on the move today, and he said, you'll understand this when you're 40. Some days you feel better than others. You wake up and there's no specific reason why. Today I felt great, maybe because I got such beautiful grass field.

But D.K. It's so fucking relatable. You know what that feels like to just wake up and you're like, this is a good day. Oh, 100%. Sometimes, like, it's like, it's completely, once you get to me this age, it's completely hit or miss how tired you are in the morning. You know what I mean? Like you wake up and you get out of bed, you're like, man.

I'm so tired today. And then some days you're like, just I can conquer the world right now. Because you guys are basically the same age. Rogers just turned 42. And I don't know if this is a year older than Rogers. I don't know if this was an NBA Centel thing. But there was a there was Rogers like threw a little birthday party for the receivers and they like brought him a cake and sang to them.

I don't know if that was real. I think that was real. I think so. That was really funny. They read the same thing. I don't know. All his new buddies, Adam Thielen and Marquezvald is scaling.

But anyway. Yeah, you can, there's days you, Craig, you just wake up and your body hurts for no reason. Like you don't, like he's slept weird. Yeah, you know, it's just something that happens,

man. I'm starting to get to feel that. My hangovers are now two days, not one. Yeah, I'm kind of entering that range. But anyway, Roger still looked great.

I still think he can make throws that few quarterbacks can make in the league when he's, when he's feeling right. And, uh, they played a pretty good game today.

I wouldn't even say they were like dominant, but they played a pretty good game today. And I actually think it's a, it's a worse loss for the Ravens than it is a better win for the Steelers. Well, the Steelers, I think the Steelers and the referees played really well today versus the Ravens.

Yeah, because the league really wants the Steelers to score seven points in the wildcard round. That's what they want. I don't think it's rigged. I think it's just incompetence. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I never assume malice when there's incompetence. I think this is the most incompetent refs, including the referees who had to review their own call and get challenged twice to look at it again. I think this group was the most incompetent.

Do you want to talk about the most controversial play of the day? I, yes, I think we have to because here's the reality, the Ravens lost by five. And the referees cost the Ravens 11 points in this game. Like, I mean, the one that's going to get forgotten is the field goal that Chris Boswell hit. And then the Ravens were called for

roughing the long snapper, basically, which was just wrong. Like, it was just a wrong call. Terrible call. I hate when refs, like, pull some random obscure thing out of their ass just for no reason. Like, if you, God, God, that drives me insane. I mean, that cost the Ravens four points.

Because the Ravens, I mean, those three points, the Steelers then got a touchdown in the next play. So that was a four-point swing. And again, five-point game, but the Ravens, toward the end, as time is expiring, we're around field-go-ridge. So just that one play that's going to get forgotten,

the Ravens might have been able to win in a walk-off field goal. But the bigger one and the one that we have to talk about is the Isaiah likely touchdown that was like two feet down. You get a third step. So, D.K., two-part question. Did you think it was a touchdown? And do you know what a catch in the end zone is? I think I need to answer the first question first,

because I don't know. Like I think we've gone full circle because there was a time early in my career where no one knew what a fucking catch was. Yeah. It felt like the NFL figured it out a little bit. And then it wasn't like a big deal anymore for a while like three or four years. Like we haven't really talked about like what's a catch for a while. And then this happened.

And I legitimately, I'm like, I don't know if that should have been a touchdown or not. You know what I mean? Like he clearly had two feet down. Yeah. And the ball. And you could make the argument, him holding the ball out like that is a football move because he's trying to keep it away from the fucking defender. This was a, I couldn't agree more. DK., I couldn't agree more.

However, it's even in the rulebook, if you reach for like a first down or if you like reach forward, it's technically a football move. However, the way that they've been calling it this year is you have to get that third foot down to be like a, what is it? movement common to the game or something like there. I have the quote from the NFL vice president of instant replay, Brian Butterworth. Stop. Stop it. No. Butterworth?

Yeah, it's a real person. What's his wife, Mrs. Butterworth? Butterworth, our brothers are never more. This guy's wife is Mrs. Butterworth. Get the fuck out of here. Oh, God. He said that Isaiah likely didn't get a third step down in the end zone to complete the catch before. It was ripped out, keeping it from being a completed catch and a touchdown.

Here's what I have to ask. I'm Team Ravens, even though I'm a Steelers fan here. If two feet is all you need for it to be a legal catch, wouldn't it also only require two feet for it to be a completed catch? I don't understand. Why do you need a, is it three feet or two? Yeah. If it's two required to catch the ball, why do you need a third to complete the catch?

The problem, I think, is that they apply the rules during the rest of the field in the end zone. The problem is like the end zone time stops. You know what I mean? It's like during full. It's like it's the equivalent of two feet and then you need to hold it through the ground and it's like surviving the ground and all that. But like the problem is in the end zone, does the play continue or not? It's like the moment the ball crosses the goal line if you have possession of it plays over. So when is the catch end.

But I will say when you watch the play in full speed. It looks pretty quick. looks like he drops it. Maybe he dropped it. I think ultimately, I think the conclusion I came to was the call was correct, but it was, but I've gotten to the point where I'm like, I don't know, I don't know what it catches. The flaw is the sport itself, I think is the issue. Also, I don't give it. I think the fact that it happened to Isaiah likely who literally fumbled the ball in the end zone last last year. Can we just ban all Ravens tight ends? I want to talk about another play that happened

like, I think the next play. The next play fine, but I think the other reason, though, that we're stuck on this and this is going to be a big thing, we can't talk about this enough. Maybe the reason we have no faith in this is because they overruled the touchdown and the referee didn't even have his fucking microphone on. So he just stared at the camera with the mic off and then we don't hear what he's saying. So John Harbaugh loses his mind. And then the announcers are like, what did he say?

Which happens sometimes. But he didn't realize the mic was off. and they just never addressed it and that they took the touchdown off the board. I think the other thing that you could argue in here. No wonder we were all confused. The other thing that you could argue in that could make you mad is if they called it a touchdown

on the field and then reversed it, you could make the argument that it wasn't clear and obvious that it wasn't a catch. Is that what happened? They called it a touchdown and then... Yes. Yeah. Which is my whole thing.

If you got to watch it three times, it's not clear up. What's funny was so many, it feels like so many plays where like when the NFL rule makers sit down and make the rules, they're like, okay, what could happen that could make people question what our rules are? And then it happens every fucking week. There's just like the most specific things happen. Got it knocked out at step two and seven, eights or whatever.

Yeah. It was like, it was Romo Nance, I believe. So CBS, I forget who the, like the, Sterator. Sterator.

He came in and said, well, Isaiah, likely didn't make a football move. And my question is, if you're in the end zone, why do you, why do you, what move are you making? You score the end, the play is over. He should have started

celebrating. He should have started doing the fucking doggy or something. I think I changed my mind. I think it should have been a touchdown. But he, he held, when you, when you hold the ball out like that, that's a football move. I totally agree, take it. That is absolutely, and I think it's because it's not a traditional football move because it's not in the field of play. But I agree. But he's

holding the ball away from the defender. Well, that's where he caught it. He kind of caught it and it. and it stayed there. He kept it out. This is like saying, the most specific thing that no one could ever adjudicate happens every week in the NFL.

Because Hyvitz, you're right. Like when I point out, like, well, if two feet is all you need, then what the fuck? Because there is something to be said about, like, if you catch the ball in like a millisecond, if your two feet are standing on the ground

in the end zone, you catch the ball with your two hands, and a millisecond after you catch it, somebody hits the ball out of your hands. That's not a catch. So the question is like, how long does it need to be in your hand standing still?

where if somebody were to smack it out of your hands, it would be considered a catch. I don't know the answer to that. The truth is, I don't think. It's like feel. It's not in the play. It's not in the rule. The truth is if you watch the play at full speed

and we didn't have slow-mo, I don't have a problem with the Isaiah likely thing, not being a touchdown. However, the combination of, it's about the benefit of the doubt. The referees couldn't turn their mic on to explain it, and then they took it off the board. You hate the mic.

You're mad about the mic. Combined with the phantom call that took away the field goal and then gave the Steelers a first town that did not exist. And then the Aaron Rogers passed that was batted back to him that they just decided that was a catch. That was the right call. That was the right call.

I don't. Roger's knee was down and he had control the ball. But that's the thing. Control the ball. The defender has two hands on the football on that. Rogers had two hands on that. The other defender had like one while Rogers' knee was down. And then later on the second hand of the defender came on.

That to me was more clear. What's the difference between what you just described and the Isaiah likely play? What the fuck is the difference? You're telling me that that millisecond Rogers has the ball and the defender has the ball. The defender is an equal right to the ball. Well, no, I see, I think that plays over and instantly. I think there's more precedent to that,

that usually when the offensive player and the defensive player kind of both catch the ball at the same time, usually the tie goes to the offensive player. And it was Rogers had two hands on it. I think that might be the loop. And the other defender had won. I don't know, man. They reversed it because the original call on the field

was the Ravens player came away with the ball out of the scrum. But when you saw it, When Rogers, his knee was down, he had two hands on the ball. He caught it. I was the right call. Mate, I'm torn. Harvus says that he didn't complete the act of falling to the ground. I'm usually the refophologist here.

The dirty, I'm usually the refabologist. He crumbled to the ground. He crumbled. He did fucking crumble. What the fuck is he supposed to do? He's like getting tackled by three people. He's trying to catch. He's a 42 old man who bats his own pass and tries to catch it.

Give him fucking credit. That was an athletic move. That was a super athletic move he did. They're like, let's. He's so old. No, I'm Dick as, having's being like, hey, crumpled to the ground like a bitch. I'm like, he just didn't get the ball. I'm like, oh, my God, it's so infuriating.

That's the right call. That one was the right call. I don't. Overall, I'm usually the ref apologist because the reality is there's 10,000 plays. And anytime you point to one play and you want to try to, if you get 99.9% of the catch rules right in a given year, that's like two a week. And if you want to try to rewrite the rules to include the two a week, the odds are you're going to get the other, you're going to add plays that are being. fucked up. Not going to subtract it to a week. We're going to have to live with it. Having said that,

there was a lot of fucked up calls this week. That's all. Get away from talking about the refs and we'll talk about how annoying the Raven's tight ends are. Like last week, obviously, Isaiah likely had a touchdown and then he got, he fumbled into the end zone and whatever. And then this week he should have had that touchdown, got a batted away.

You know what happened two plays later after that play? Lamar Jackson on fourth down from the eight-yard line. He kind of, It was kind of a broken, it was like a half a broken play because he was kind of like moving around in the pocket, whatever. And then Mark Andrews, seeing that he's in trouble, switches directions and runs back up the end line or whatever, or the goal line, I should say. And if you look at, and Brian Baldinger like broke this down on his Twitter account, but I was like, I noticed it at the moment because like the way that Dandre Hopkins and Zay Flowers and Mark Andrews are all looking at each other after the play, I was like, something went wrong there.

and if you watch the play from the end zone view, DeAndre Hopkins is wide fucking open in the back of the end zone. This would have been the go-ahead touchdown with like two minutes left, 228. Mark Andrews jumps for it and bats the ball down. Mark Andrews, good God, this is right after they just signed it. He comes flying in like the bird in front of Randy Johnson's fastball. Yeah, like getting in the way.

And then DeAndre Andrew Hopkins, like waving his stuff. hands in the back of the end zone. I swear to God, for like a full minute, just like holds his hands out like, ah, like just stare, like, you just took the ball away from me. Like shooter watching Happy's putt go in at the end of the movie, like crumbling to his knees. That's my jacket. You know. Homes at the interstate of football, just like hands on his face. With all that said, the Ravens did not play a good game. I thought their game plan was weird. They didn't like run the ball much in the first half. And every time they gave Derek Henry the ball. He had like five, six yards easy.

They didn't really commit to that to like the end of the third quarter. They started running him and Lamar Moore. Every time Lamar ran, he got like eight yards. They didn't, they did not call a great game. So I do think the right team won despite all of that shit. Like I thought the Steelers played better in this game. That I agree with. And even though the Steelers kept wading guys, how many players did the Steelers lose during

this game? It felt like five people. Eccles went down. Yeah. I agree with that. The Ravens, despite all the calls that fuck them, Ravens fans know. like the Ravens didn't play well. And honestly, Ravens are in a playoff team.

Like, the Ravens are not a playoff team. They have not, they've looked, the Ravens have looked good three times this season and one was against Miami on a Thursday day football game. We are set up, by the way, for just a hilarious Steelers, Bill's wildcard game where the Steelers are going to be the worst division winner, so they're going to be the four seed. And the bills are going to be the best wildcard team at the five. And the bills are going to beat the Steelers by fucking 30 in Pittsburgh. It's actually, no, it's worst case scenario.

This is the one quarterback that John. Josh Allen has to go against in the playoffs. Tomlin's going to win his first playoff game in 10 years. That is actually going to happen. That will be what keeps Tomlin coming back. He'll beat Josh Allen in the wildcard round, and they'll have to bring Tomlin back and re-sign him. That's going to happen.

Other we're so back. I think all the bad quarterbacks in the NFL are back. J.J. McCarthy, Cam Ward, Sheter Sanders, Tyler Shuck, all the bad quarterbacks are pretty great today. The most disparaged quarterbacks in the NFL all have played well today. I didn't appreciate. I didn't appreciate you if it's comparing that bro shuffle past interception to

J.J. McCarthy because nine was dialed in today. Nine was dialed. Nine was pretty dialed, man. Nine made some good throws. I started him in the Ringer League and he put up 20 points from me. Look at you. Look at you. The Vikings won 31 to nothing a week after they lost 26 to nothing, which I don't think it happens since like... I think that hasn't happened, yeah. The mid-90s,

I think was the last time a team that got shut out, shut another team out. McCarthy looked good in the opening script, but beyond that. He just looked... Kevin O'Connor. the Vikings coach was basically like all that mechanical stuff I told you, don't worry about it. Like just forget, just play on time, make decisions. And he did. He was way more decisive.

The throws weren't great, but like he was decisive and he just, if he didn't see anything, he just fucking ran. And McCarthy did great. He had, I mean, he had 160 yards. He had three passing touchdowns. He did run for some first. And also, Washington had a genuine nightmare game, but then 31 and nothing. Wait, so the Vikings scored 31 points and J.J. McCarthy played well.

That meant that Justin Jefferson had a huge. game, right? I think so. Let's check. Let's check. What do you? I mean, Justin Jefferson, three touchdowns. I bet at least two of them went to him, right?

So for those of you don't know who didn't listen to the preview show, Hyatton I made a bet that who's going to have more yards, Alec Pierce on the Colts or Justin Jefferson on the Vikings and the loser dies. And so Justin Jefferson had 11 yards and I think Alec Pierce had 80. Yes. And if you. I said Alec Pierce. Yeah.

So Craig dies. Well, I was going to ask, double or nothing next week. Do you agree to that? You kill me twice. Now we're talking. Are you in? How does that sound? Die another day.

I mean, Riley Leonard versus Seattle. You know what's funny? I kind of think you will. I'm not going to take it, but I kind of think I'll... You're going to kill me? You can kill me. You can kill me again next week. That's how...

You want to do that? We just did that with McCarthy. He's going to get... He already got resurrected. He's going to kill again next week. All right, we'll do double another next week. Dude, if you told me... If going in Hyphitz, if somebody was like...

Daniel Jones, is going to tear his Achilles, and J.J. McCarthy is going to throw three touchdowns, and they're going to win 31 to zero. I feel like you would actually bet your life that Justin Jefferson would have more yards than Alec Pierce. I actually, in retrospect, think I could have gotten you to bet like thousands of dollars in this game. And I'm like, which is more valuable than my life. Let's be honest. I know. I'm just saying, $2,000. You know what's funny? What would you have done if I'd be like, Alec Pierce and I'll like give you 60 yards. I'll spot you 60 yards at Alec Pierce.

And you're like, and Daniel Jones is a killies. And I can guarantee you three touchdowns for J.J. McCartney. Oh, like, 31 and nothing. I, yeah, the Justin Jefferson for the game was very, I love an honest player. He was like, you know, not, they're not going to get me the ball. I'd rather win than lose. Yeah. He's like, so I'm happy we won.

I think we all know, we all know receivers just desperately want the football at all times. I think it's perfectly fine to not be super happy, even if you win, if you have like zero catches. I think that's fine. But the, it's, well, especially when you're the stature of a player. People go too hard on that shit. Like, it's okay to, like, want to perform if you're a good player. Well, yeah, they should get him the ball. But I will say that the 31 and nothing was because the commanders had one of the,

the Colts obviously are the main team that like was erased today. But, D.K., I feel like Washington also was on a quieter level, Washington was just this was the end of their season. Look, we talked about Washington and the off season going from what they did last year, They won 12 games. They blew the absolute doors off the lions in the playoffs. They were like one of the most exciting teams, ascending teams in the NFL. Jane Daniels, the sexiest player in fantasy football. And this season has, and we were talking about like, oh, wait until they have a first place

schedule, how different it's going to be or whatever. And it's not even been the schedule. It's like they're just a fucking terrible team. Like they're bad. They won 12 games last year. They were three and 10 this year. And I understand that. And they only had a second place schedule this year.

are those cowards. Oh, right. Sorry, you're right. It's like, obviously, injuries have been a massive part of that. I totally understand that. That happens. How could they have seen that coming

for the oldest team in the NFL? Yeah, but it's like, if you look at, it's just like looking back at some of the stuff they did in the off season, and people, like, graded their off season pretty well.

They traded for Debo Samuel and Laramie Tunsel. They drafted Josh Connerley, Tramee most in the draft. They signed Javon Kinla to a big deal. Not spring chickens, Debo Samuel and Laramie Tunsell, all those guys. No, no. And obviously, a good team in the Texans

was trying to get rid of Laramie Tunsell. That's kind of a red flag. You know, they brought back Bobby Wagner, Zach Hertz. But I think like ultimately, and I think you could say a lot. Most of those, a lot of those didn't really work out those moves. But ultimately, it's like

this team is not, like, it's not a good team. Jane Daniels has been hurt. McLarence hasn't been very good. Amos got injured. Well, I think Zach has been very bad. His career might have ended. Zachertz, Tours, Tours, ACL today. He's probably done for his career. Devo's not really been a difference maker. Bobby Wagner over the hill.

The defense is horrible. Jane Daniels came back. He was nine for 20 before getting hurt. They resurrected JJ McCarthy's career today on defense. It's so bad the Washington defenses. I mean, it's like a combination of like natural regression, injury regression. Jane Daniels coming down to back down to earth like the fourth down regret. It's just and then like injury bad luck. Yeah. Yeah. They're cooked.

Where does the phrase spring chicken come from you wanted to breed chickens to be born in the spring for some reason? I think that's just the natural course of all life. You don't give birth in the winter. Yeah. Because then you die. But why would that be assigned to chicken specifically for the phrase then? Spring chickens are young because they were just born.

I know, but why do they pick chicken? If every animal is supposed to be born in the spring, why are they picking chicken for the phrase? Like there has to be something specific about why chickens need to be born in the spring, right? Or do they just pick? Like, why is it spring pig? have a lot of chickens around. According to the AI overview, it originates from literal market value

of young, tender chicken. I don't like saying young tender chicken. Young tender. God, why did they put tender in there, AI? I have the phrase, the phrase spring chicken dates back to 18th, 19th century when farmers believe that chickens born in the spring grew more tender.

So I'm kind of right. So there is a reason. Yeah, yeah. All right, point, point. I'll give you, all right, there you go. You know what? Maybe I won't kill you.

Two points for Craig. Maybe Craig won't die. Maybe that's the last good point I'll ever make. You'll spare me? Maybe the last spring chicken question. Craig, that might be the last time you ever proved me right on the show until you die. That's crazy. Until I die next week, yeah.

The other people who are so back, dude, the Titans, the Shador Sanders, Cam Ward rivalry was resurrected today. I think if you saw that great video of the pre-draft when Cam Ward and Shudor Sanders were chirping each other and we thought that they might build before. Cam Ward just chirping Shitter. It was great. Shitter was like, I got Gatorade money, and Shudder was like, good luck to not throw on bubble screens the NFL.

If you just went to a coma that day and then you woke up and you just watched this game, you'd be like, wow, these guys, they must be great. Future in the league, these two. Yeah, you never would have thought Tennessee Titans worst record in the NFL under today Shudder's fifth round pick. You would have been like, wow, these guys must have gone one two in the draft. Dude, Shadorehead over 30 fantasy points. Chris Ryan, it's going to be the reason why Chris Ryan makes the ringer play.

because he started to goreth and Chris Ryan's going to make the ringer fantasy playoffs and so is Mao did mal drafted her I think she did and then she cut him but was that right so is Bill not going to make it oh Bill's not going to make it bill's cooked no bill bill the last place bracket which we will get into is going to be you bill Sean and Sean yeah that's great I hope it's I hope it's Bill versus Sean in the Janet in a toilet bowl championship the the punishments are so disproportionate it's like you won't have matcha for a week and then Sean us to wear a headband on a pod and can't explain it. Bill is going to have a jersey of the winner's choosing and then Van the winner gets the

post from Van's Twitter for like four times. It's going to be a delicate situation because one of you two, I would say, has the best odds to win the league. So one of you two is going to get to decide what Bill wears. We'll take consultation. We're taking consultation from Sal, don't you worry? I'm going to bequeath my powers to Sal. That's probably tough. Yeah, we're just going to, yeah, proxy vote. Sal gets to just decide. What is it the term when the, the term when the key? like steps down.

Abdicate. Abdicate the throne. Abdicate the throne. Sal gets the fake. I think that's, we should just change it from winner to Sal against the side. Yeah.

That's so funny. But yeah, Shadur's Sanders, 33 fantasy points today, number two quarterback. So, I mean, the Titans beat the Browns 31, 29.

We're going to get into this. But Shador, 360 yards and three touchdowns passing. Rang for 20. That's not nothing. 360. Let me tell you something about not nothing. CBS had the stat.

Rookie quarterbacks in NFL history with 350 passes. passing yards, three touchdowns, and a rushing touchdown in game in the Super Lera. It's just Joe Burrow and Shadoura Sanders. Wow. Are the only rookie quarterbacks to do that. Love that. Outside of, let's say, Brock Purdy, who was literally the last pick in the draft,

and I think we can all agree is a pretty good quarterback. If Shador turns out to be good, is there a better example of nobody knows what the fuck they're talking about? I can think of one. Outside of Purdy. Brady. But yeah, I know what you're saying. Brady.

Yeah. I agree with that. Craig. I think that's absolutely like we've, I think for the most part, the most of the media is like give it up on the fact that he's a good player. But like prior to the draft, most people had him like is like a first round slash second round guy. He was a second.

It's like it's weird how the, it's weird how. But then once he dropped, everyone's like physically he's completely. Right. I think the Shador. Right, right. I think the Shador thing. It's, he's not as good as. I mean, I thought Shador should be like a late first, early second round pick.

Part of me wanted Shador over Jackson Dart. I'll admit that. Like part of me was like, I think teams viewed him as a high-end backup quarterback or like a Tyler Shuck, completely different, but like a Tyler Shuck-ish.

But then he didn't do any of the combine shit. He didn't work out for them. He didn't throw. He didn't participate in the very basic things. And I think Dion screwed up his draft stock because Dion, you only skip that shit if you're really good and you're going to go as a top five,

top 10 pick, and you'll work out for that team privately. Shador just wouldn't do it. Shador goes into the Ravens interview and says, don't want to play for you. I don't want to back on Lamar. The Ravens would have taken him earlier. So you're like, so I think teams looked at it and they're like, this is, this guy is going to be so much media coverage, so much attention. He's a backup quarterback that won't play behind

a two-time MVP. Like, he's too good to sit behind an MVP. And like, who wants a backup quarterback that won't even like work out for us to play? So he fell to the fifth round. And the Browns didn't even want him. The owner, Jimmy Haslam wanted him. So I, that's, I wondered if there's a little truth to the whole is Kevin Stefanski putting him up for success. I thought that was overblown. I thought they didn't want Shador to play because, yeah, they had four other quarterbacks. However, today I did think Stafans could have made a mistake, Dekka. So, Shador has a great comeback. There's five and a half minutes left.

The Browns are down 14. Shoror has a great run to lead to two touchdowns. And then he has a great throw to Harold Fan and cuts it down to two points. And then after 360 yards, three touchdowns, another touchdown run, how did you feel, Dek about the Browns going wildcat and not even have Shadour on the field for the two-point conversion? No, it's stupid. It's absolutely stupid. I mean, it's like, yeah, the hot, get the ball in the guys that has led you to this point, his hands.

You know what I mean? Put the ball in his hands for this moment. The quarterback should always be the first person to touch the ball on every important play. It made sense. What happened on that play, by the way? Did Jenkins just forget to toss it or what? Yeah, I think Junkins is a rookie who didn't practice with the team until three months ago. He just like to do the thing that was part of the play.

Yeah, but I think, but you know why it's because you go on autopilot. It's the difference between panicking and choking. As panic as you kind of like, like you don't think at all and choking as you're thinking. Like, I think Judkins has run to his right. How many times in his life do you think Quinshot Judkins has just like had a ball and had to run to the outside? Probably like 10,000. He's never had to fucking chuck it to a receiver running the other way. He wasn't thinking.

It was a big moment in the game. And autopilot sets in. He's like, oh, I had to throw it. And he just did. And he screwed up. Is if he, I think if he makes the pitch, there's a chance that guy scores. I know. Yes.

He was a good play. And that's the irony is if he just makes the pitch. Everyone's like, wow, Stefan's good genius. So you said it. It was a good play. Oh, yeah, you're right. Maybe I'm wrong. I think ultimately, he's, yeah, ultimately, you should have put the ball in Shudder's hands

after what he was doing in that game. It made sense. Max Brousmer, like the quarterback should probably touch the ball. Shedars first start when they went down on that first drive that he had like weeks ago. And then Judkins then got wildcat in the go line. That made sense. I'm like, it's his first start. Scherer has barely had reps with the.

fucking team. That makes sense. When he's having 360 yards, you're thinking too much. Having said that, yeah, the play probably would have worked, which is also kind of funny to think about. Also, Cam Ward played well, I thought Cam Ward this was his best game, even though, I mean, they barely won, but he completed like half his past attempts. He only had 117 yards and two touchdowns. I don't give a shit. He had some awesome throws. The opening drive, he was four for four in the opening drive. The touchdown A. M. NOR on the first drive was great. He had a touchdown. He had another throw on third down versus pressure that should have been caught. That was not,

but it was awesome. The touch sent him to come here. D.K. later was great. And the best play I saw all day was Cam Ward fucking suplexing Grant Delpit to save to try to sack him. And he just actually like, just don't...

You shrugged him all. Yeah. And then he just stood on top of him and threw the ball out of bounds. Yeah. Which was sick. But Dika, did you feel like Cam Ward actually was like,

oh yeah, he looks like a number one player you can like build around as a franchise quarterback today? Yeah. And I felt that way for the last few weeks. We haven't really talked about the Titans all that much just because they're so bad and everything.

And, you know, the sporting cast around him is like very young and inexperienced and whatever. And there's just a lot of variables that he would have a hard time, um, putting up like really good numbers and winning games. But I felt that like if you just watch him play, he's flashing the types of things that you want to see from a rookie quarterback. Certainly not been perfect. But, um, you know, I've overall, I've been very positive about him going forward.

It's also got the worst receivers in the league who drop a million passes. And it's a little bit like, it's tough to receive. receivers are rookies. It's a little bit like pickings on the Steelers where you're like, God, he makes so many great plays that no one's ever going to see because they're slightly out of bounds. Like, Kim Ward has made so many great throws

that you'll never hear from again because they were dropped or because they were slightly out of bounds or for whatever reason. But he, like his arm talent, you can see it. If you actually watch the games, he looks all right at times.

He makes a lot of, I mean, he still takes terrible sacks and does dumb shit. But his arm, you can see it. And they lost themselves the top overall pick. I know. For now, that shit always,

I get, I hate, And people are like, oh, the Giants have the first pick. I'm like, there's... It's fun. There's four weeks left. It's fun. That's the only reason why it's fun.

They're going to blow it. It's one game. They could win two games to get like the ninth pick. I mean, the last game of the season, who do the Giants play? Oh, no, the Giants play the Raiders on week 17. That's going to be huge. Oh, they're going to win that game. That's going to be huge.

They're going to win. The Raiders, oh, shit. Do we get to them? No, I wanted to, while we were talking about so back, I want to just mention Tyler Shuck for the Saints. The Saints beat the Bucks 2420. God. Tyler Shuck in the pouring rain completed 13 to 20 passes, 144 yards, had two huge third down conversions,

which was impressive, and I've made a lot of fun of him. But, oh my God, I was not familiar with your game, so much faster than I thought. Tyler Shuck had two touchdown runs in this game. He can scoot a little bit. He had a 34-yard touchdown run,

and then a 13-yard runner that was really a 20, it was a 13-yard sack that he just turned into a 13-yard touchdown run to win the game. And not quite a walk-off, but Tyler Shuck, I mean, He was also top three fantasy quarterback today. Yeah, man. That last drive was so every play was completely improbable.

I could not believe he made his way down the field and got him to the end zone. I was like rolling like a one, seven straight time. That was like my run in New Orleans playing crap. Exactly. I was this still going. The last play, the touchdown run, it actually was four guys on the Bucks defensive line literally were literally tripping over themselves because they all couldn't believe he had him

and they all just knocked each other over because they couldn't believe how easy it was going to be to sack him. I'm very curious what the Bucks or sorry, what the Saints will do this offseason with their quarterback situation. Because I feel like at this point, Shuck is like playing himself into a starting job next year.

Unless they have, I don't know, some other option. But yeah, he's been much more impressive than I thought he would be. I think Chuck Sheder and McCorm. McCarthy, obviously, Kim Warder, all going to be the starters entering next season, and they'll probably have to get competition.

But I do, I mean, certainly the rest of the season. Shedars way better than Dylan Gabriel. Tyler Shucks way better than Spencer Rattler. Like, I think they've all proven enough to, they're probably going to get a lot of opportunities next year. D.K. I'm going to put you on the spot right now. You are a GM of a new team. Okay.

You can start your franchise with Tyler Shuck, J.J. McCarthy or Shador? Man. I feel like you asked me this question a lot. and I feel like I'd change every single time just because it's... I haven't asked you this specific one. No, I know, but I did like the Shudor JJ thing a couple weeks ago, I think,

or like last week. And you said Shador. Yeah. Yeah. After today, I'm like back on McCarthy though, I think. You take McCarthy over the other two? I think so, yeah. I think McCarthy, because Tyler Shuck reminds me

of Shudor Sanders, or sorry, I know Shudor of Michael Pennix, where I don't know if he'll get hurt the moment he does. I'll feel pretty stupid for taking a 26. year old who had like four season-ending injuries in college with Tyler Shuck, where even though I think he's probably playing the best of those guys right now. But I kind of just, but I realize I'm flip-flopping every week. He'll be a good backup. Tyler Shuck. He'll have a good career. Shuck is playing well. She's Davis-Mills or something like that with who can run. Yeah.

I think I think Tyler Shuck, it was, it was in front. Also, I mean, he outplayed Baker, which, I mean, speaking, which we didn't have to have a Baker conversation. In fact, we should. It's time for America's favorite segment. Fart. Or Shart? Shart. Fuck ass. I got absolutely boat race. Oh, that was so bad. Got hands in his hold his peeve. It's like a fucking carnacopia puked on it.

It's a new one. Is this a fart? Or a shark. It's a shark. It is a shark. I think this is a shark. I think this is a huge. This is a loud one.

I think this is like a medical dog. How long is this? This is going on forever. It's called crowns and red. That's like 30 seconds. That was from Ben. Oh, I love it. I want a new one every single episode.

That was really intense and good. That was crazy. What was the, it was like that hyphus that was like, I think he was doing a hyena laugh. I think that was my hyena laugh. Yeah, it was tough. I wonder what that was. All right, D.K.

Yo. Daniel. What? Baker Mayfield and A Mecca, Ibuka. Mm-hmm. Baker Mayfield, weeks one through five. they were four and one.

He was the QB5. We were flying high. Baker was an MVP frontrunner. That was the first five weeks of the season. The last five weeks, Baker made for QB20. The Bucks are one and four. Ameca, Abuka, weeks one through five,

was the wide receiver three, was going to be the rookie of the year, was the star of the fantasy season. All of our predictions were correct. A wide receiver three through five weeks. The last five weeks, he's the wide receiver 40. he dropped the game tying touchdown today in the fourth quarter and he is fourth in this past over the past five weeks

he is fourth in Target Share and yet is the wide receiver 40 so let me ask you Baker Mayfield and Emeka Abuka fart or shart? Shart. I still think Emeka Abuka is going to be a really good player in the NFL I'm starting to worry about Baker Mayfield Oh, like legitimately crisis of faith yeah so you you did weeks 1 through 5 and then 10 through 14. I kind of broke it down since week seven. So that's the last seven games for Baker Mayfield.

The bucks have lost five out of those seven games. And in that stretch, so from fantasy point of view, Baker's a QB 27. Like, he's been worthless. He's averaged 12 points per game in that stretch in seven games. But in that stretch, he has eight touchdowns of five picks, seven turnovers.

He is 29th in completion rate. He is dead last in the NFL. In yards per temp, 5.3 yards per temp in that stretch. Dead last an EPA per dropback in that stretch. His pass rating is 75. Only J.J. McCarthy is worse than that. Pass rating. His success rate, only Shadur is worse in that stretch.

Wait, so you say the EP per dropback, Bakers is worse than J.G. McCarthy the last seven weeks? Yeah. Well, JJ hasn't played so many games, but yes. But it is per dropback. So. And his off target rate is third worst. Like he's been bad basically by any stat. So like not bad, but like one, like maybe the worst quarterback in the NFL over almost two months now.

Let me follow up here. So he was the MVP candidate for a while. He was. Like I said, QB4 or QB5 for the first five weeks the season. I mean, everybody was talking about them to be like the darling for the Super Bowl. So my question, when you say, when you say sharp, do you mean for the rest of this year, he's somebody that let's say you got into the playoffs into week 15? and Baker is one of your two quarterbacks under no circumstances.

You start Baker-Mayfield from here on out. Or are you saying the shard actually goes deeper. It actually has gone through the underwear. It is now coming out of the pants a little bit. And you're starting to worry about Baker-Mayfield's career as a quarterback. More of the latter. Interesting. I mean, the shoulder injury.

I would say it's a crisis of faith more than like I think he's done. You know what I mean? Like I'm just like because we're watching like the reclamation projects for a long time in the season and last year we're like, man, these are such great stories. Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith, Sam Darnold. And then like halfway through the year, we're like, oh, actually, they're

kind of like, usually you know early on. Like, Sam Darnold had a good game today and that's great. But like big picture, I'm like, oh, I actually kind of understand now why these guys were journeymen quarterbacks. I would say with Baker, it's more of a crisis of faith

than I actually think he's going to be bad forever. But he's been really bad for last like two months. And that is that is obviously concerning his offensive line has been decimated at points. His receivers have been injured and off the field, his running backs. Like there's a million reasons why these things have happened. But I just think the contrast of like him being in the MVP discussion for the first like month or two of the season and what he's done over the last seven weeks is it's pretty wild. You feel like what we're seeing now is closer to Real Baker compared to what we were seeing the first five weeks when he was an MVP front runner. Perhaps. Probably. I think I'm

He's going to chalk it up to. He's super, super hurt and is fighting and gritting his way through it. I completely agree with that, Craig. Yeah. I completely agree. I think the unsexy answer is everyone around them is hurt and then they're hurt. Baker is very injured. And I know he's only been listening to the injury report a couple times. Like, Baker's really fucking hurt and they're hiding it. And Abuka also like the magical top three received. I mean, he should have caught that touchdown. And then he did not be having this discussion. It was pouring fucking rain. But like, yes, he should have caught the touchdown. It was absolutely. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. The greatest insight Craig's ever had in a football is you can't see rain on the fucking game and you forget about it. Even though you know you're raining and it's all they're talking about. You just forget about the race.

It's sloppy game. He should have caught the ball. Having said that, Ibuka's downturn perfectly coincides with a quad injury he had in the end of September, early October. Like he heard his quad. They wrapped it. He hasn't been the same since. And then Mike Evans got hurt. It's like, I don't think it's that complicated.

The bucks have been decimated. It means one at a 10. They're not way worse than that. So I just think that they're beat to shit and they'll be fine next. I should think Abuq will be a really good value next time. However, D.K. That makes me feel better. Your point is a good one, though, that like a lot of the reclamation guys, these guys who the first

contract of their career was horrible, it is really hard to actually dig your way out of that to the point where they feel like a quarterback who could win the Super Bowl with. Like, Darnold and Daniel Jones and I don't know if Baker, Gino, regardless of how good they came back and were, nobody ever felt like you could win the Super Bowl. Well, it's hard to win the Super Bowl in general. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. I mean, Joe Burrough is the only one who's even come close. So I think that it's not just the Super Bowl to me.

I think that the issue the reclamation guys have is we don't stick with them through the adversity. Like, Baker has been pretty great in Tampa Bay for a few years. And he's at bad six weeks. And we're like, does he suck again? Like, you know what I mean? It pains me to even say this because I like, I love watching Baker play. I'm encouraging you to not worry about Baker. I do want to interrogate you while we're in Fartarter Shart that the Seahawks who won 37 to 9

today in the middle of the first quarter you were like guys I'm out on Darnold. And the Darnold's proceeded to throw for a three touchdown. That was a fan moment. The Seahawks were losing seven to zero and we were panicking a little bit. It was concerning.

Well, it was more than just one you know, like one pick. It's like this has gone on for the last like month and a half or whatever. Like I've basically came into this week. I'm like, I just want to see him play a clean game. It's almost as though like you almost can't even enjoy what the Seahawks are doing right now because you're so

terrified that they're just going to get destroyed in the playoffs and Donald's going to lay an egg pretty much I mean but like I will say the game ended up going a lot better after that play I was very frustrated in the moment Sam Darnold on I can't remember the exact context of the play was either a third or fourth down he rolled

out he had a guy he had his running back wide open in the flats like he could have just dumped it off to him got a first down lived to like play the next to the play but no he did the same Darnold thing tried to fucking throw down the field into like tight coverage it got bad into the air and intercepted.

And I was just like, he just can't not turn the ball over. He's like, Javis Winston. He just can't do it. But I will say he bounced back in the game very well. He had a really, he had a nice touchdown pass.

Later in the game, I believe, to JSN, he played much cleaner as the game went on. And to the, to like, what, this is something that I've been talking about

with like, CX people this last couple of weeks is like, the CXs desperately needed someone else to step up, not just JSN. Jason had a huge game, but the Seahawks got big for Horacee Heid, who was a kick return 100 yards for a touchdown. Then he had another couple of big plays. Cooper Cup scored a touchdown.

So, like, this was what I was looking. This type of game was what I was looking for. Obviously, it's not against, like, a great team or anything. But, like, this is the type of game I was looking for. DK, would you trade every single starter on the Seahawks for Patrick Mahomes? The Seahawks would destroy the Chiefs if they played tomorrow. I'm saying, but every single starter is gone. Do you who do yeah

Would you trade every single These questions are impossible 22 starters for Patrick Mahomes I'm on record I'm on record saying I trade 10 first round picks in a row For my house Because my point is like the Seahawks are 10 in three They have one of the best defense in the league

And yet despite all that Would you get rid of every single one of them for Patrick Mahom Probably Yeah you probably should It's probably the other thing I mean my gut reaction was like yeah Yeah fuck yeah I love JSA it would be really hard to trade JSN

The only thing you need is all of my players to get Patrick Mahomes? Sure. Yeah, no. You probably should take that. Like after JSA, who are you concerned about? I mean, Ken Walker or whatever, he's a running back? The defense is good. No, I'm saying, like, who would you be worried about trading away after J.S.

The defense? The defense. I thought you said the offense. No, it's all 22 starters. Oh, no, no, no. I don't think I would do that. Oh, you would not do that? No, I don't think so.

I think you would. Maybe. I thought you meant everyone on the office. I was like, yeah, of course. No, every starter on the team. Oh, it's easy. You know a phone call right now, and it's like, hey, Patrick Mahomes on the team tomorrow. I think these questions are so dumb, though.

It's like, I don't know. I should just be a chief's fan. This is what people talk. This is what me and my friends, my whole life with my friends. You can't trade your entire team for Patrick Morgan? Why don't you just switch and be a chiefs fan? I mean this seriously. What is the point of life, if not to ask questions like that?

I agree. That's like the only thing. That's a shart from you, D.K. That's a shart. You're like my mom, D.K. Every time I do that, She's like, I don't, neither. The answer is neither.

Yeah, I agree with your mom. I'm like, mom, would you rather lick a subway handrail or eat gum off the floor? She's like, neither. I'm like, you can't pick that. Your mom's right. You say neither you die. The number of first run picks, I would say no to the Holmes four, I think is 14 seems ridiculous. I think if I offer you 12.

13, that's good. If I offer you 12 and you're like, that's not good enough, then I'm like, all right, you know what if I'm fucking hanging. Craig, if you could trade. Yes. The number does not exist. Stephen. Stephen. Stephen Curry. Steph Curry.

For Patrick Mahers right now. I trade step away from the Warriors to get Mahomes on the Steelers? Yeah. No. Okay. You wouldn't be one player who's like past his prime? Well, how dare you? You seen him to show him to say that the Big's face?

No, I wouldn't do that. Okay. I can't pluck him off of my beloved warriors That would ruin everything See that's because that was like where my head kind of went When you asked me like I don't have like a huge emotional attachment To most of the offensive players on the Seahawks

But like now I'm kind of starting to really love the defense I'm like I think Craig's relationship to Steph is closer to your son Than it is your relationship to the Seahawks players I mean that's fair Speaking of which intrusive thoughts did you have any intrusive thoughts today D. Kyle Pitts Stop kind of good again

Stop shut up no you did He was good You thought that? How good? Kind of good. Which is more than I've ever thought. Cool. Kind of good.

Two years. Would you trade the entire Seahawks roster for him? No. How many Kyle Pitts is what you'd need to trade them for Patrick Mums? Do you think Kyle Pitts would be the best tight end on the Seahawks? Probably not. He'd be the third best wide receiver. Probably not.

He wouldn't even play at all the sex. AJ Barner is probably better than kind. Definitely. He's a receiver. Yeah. Craig, did you have any intrusive thoughts today? No, it was a tranquil day. Yeah.

I didn't really have a ton today. Trankul. I had two on Thursday. Okay. The Cowboys Lions game? We got a great email in about Cowboys Lions, but I also had an intrusive thought prepping for the week.

Okay. And also you see all the standings today. I can't explain this, but I feel confident about it. Okay. I think eight and four is a better record than nine and three. What do you? I don't know what you mean.

It just impresses me more. I don't know why. I don't know what's wrong with my brain. It impresses you. Eight is such a good looking number, man. Oh, yeah. Four is so good. Nine sucks.

Three, awful. But like, you see nine and three. I'm like, okay, you see eight and four. I'm like,

eight and four looks sexy. Well, it's like all the 17 game season records are gross. And I like all the 16 game, you know? Nine and eight is so much worse than eight and eight. I get, I know it's a winning record.

11 and six is heinous. Nine, 10 and seven. I hate that too. Agreed. 11 and 6 is bad. This is the worst conversation we've ever had.

All right. I have a much better email here from, yeah. This was a great, this is a truly phenomenal email. So the Lions Cowboys games, which we didn't get to, but Jimmy or Gipps is unbelievable.

Somebody emailed this into the Lions Cowboys. This is from Paxton. Paxton? Peabone. Lynch? No. Could be. Could be Paxton.

Lynch. I don't know. Prove it's not. Paxton, Paxton wrote, a safety should be way more, safety should be worth way more than two points. Oh, yeah. What does way more mean?

Well, I don't know. But Paxton says you're telling me that for 60% of the field, Brandon Aubrey can kick a field goal for three points. But if a defense backs up an offense so close to their goal line and then manages to sack the quarterback into their own end zone, that is only worth two points. That doesn't seem right. I have never agreed with a goddamn email someone sent ever.

How the fuck is a safety worth less than a field? Should be worth like five. Yeah, at the very least it should be worth three. You could argue it's worth more than a touchdown. He said eight or ten. I think it should be worth it. It should be worth more than a touchdown. It can't be worth more than a touchdown because then if you if you sack a guy and he fumbles and you pick up the ball.

Right. Don't get tackling your own. I think the answer though. I think the answer is four. It's not you can't make something worth more points because it's more rare. It has to be worth less than a touchdown. I think the answer is better to get a touchdown. It's better to take the football away from the opponent and score a touchdown.

fair, but I think the answer should be four. I think a safety should be worth more than a field goal. I agree. I think four or five. Yeah. There's something, the NFL doesn't like safeties. I feel like they don't like that they exist. The refs are always trying to wiggle out of safeties.

If there's a blade of grass that the ball is over, they will not call it a safety. It happened in the fucking Cowboys game. Well, that is the rule, literally. If there's literally a blade of grass. But like, it's so clear. It was DAC, right? Who got sacked? Did they end up calling it a safety?

I can't remember. No, they overturned it. Dude. It's like he like lands five feet deep into the end zone. And it's like, yeah, but right when the guy started looking at him, he was an inch over the line, maybe. So it's not a safety. If that were a sack and they had to down the ball where he was,

it would be in the end zone. That was another one of those plays, Craig, where the, I don't know who it was Terry or whoever came in and was like, yeah, that should have definitely been a safety. And they like found another angle somewhere in the archives. I don't know. The refs are, they will do anything to not call a safety. Yeah, it's true.

It's weird. The bar for a safety is like really high. I don't think they like to do the motion. You think that's because they probably, you know what? They probably pit states. They don't like. It's such an ick. It's like kind of a turnoff probably.

Yeah. It's embarrassing. Yeah. I was like, that's the hinge profile photo of like you at your job? No, that's used to humiliating. You can't do it. What are the other really bad motions that the reps have to do? Carlos is big on this.

He has one. Carlos, get in here. Don't you have one? You said it was really bad. I don't remember what it's for, but my favorite one is the one where they put their hands on their head. Oh, yeah. And it's like the surrender cobra thing.

It's so vulnerable. You can argue that's the best one. That one's great. I'm going to look that up. Loss of down. It's loss of down. You know what's exposing yourself. The one that always makes me laugh.

It's like the pumps and keep feel. When they're out of bounds, the refs have to like do this big, like, dramatic like swing of the arms he's like no they're out they're out waving a plane in they're out sending a guy home way out of bounds it's also so funny anytime they have to throw something that's not the flag and they have to throw like there's like a contact to say they throw their little

card at the spot oh yeah if there's like a take off the hat if there's a fumble on a play where a guy goes out of bounds and then comes back in. They're like fumbling for their keys trying to get it to the lock, you know? Like they're like, they're like, oh, God, take it off my hat. Dude, I'm throwing my, throw in my bag. There's no amount of money that you could pay me to be a ref.

No, it's the worst job in the world. I would never do it. I don't care. And I know, how much is it paid? Do you know? Is it like 500 grand? It used to be 125, like 15 years ago. So I think now it's like 200.

But they're all lawyers. They're all successful lawyers. Like they all, they do this for fun. 200 is not high enough, I think, right? Well, that's why they did a lockout. Well, they should have full-time reps. Well, they don't want, the NFL doesn't want them to. Yeah, I know, but I want them to.

They make $205,000. The NFL doesn't want them to because then they'd have to pay them money and benefits. And also they'd rather all the refs be really, really wealthy lawyers so that they don't actually need to accept bribes or whatever. They'd rather all the refs actually quietly be really athletic millionaires. But if you pay them really well, then they wouldn't accept bribes. Yeah, but the NFL doesn't want to do that. You think the NFL wants to pay? pay them.

That's fair. Okay. Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely, Craig. I don't know. The NFL literally had a lockout with the fucking referees and they replaced all of them.

Oh, I forgot about the replacement. Remember the South Park episode about that? It's fucking unbelievable. Was that during COVID? No. No, that was like 2012.

Jesus Christ. 2014? It's the last time the Chiefs didn't make the playoffs. Coincidence? Actually, don't know if that year lines up. Also, the Chiefs were not.

a famous team then. It was 2012. They weren't a famous team. They weren't. I like the word famous. They're not famous. Ick of the week. This is funny because I feel like I've been a Mike Kisicki defender for most of his career.

I'm always like, he's better than people think he is. He like has all these big games. Can he please just not celebrate like he won the Super Bowl after every single time he catches the football? Every single play he makes. Too happy. sitting up, doing some dance, doing some, like, choreograph thing, the gritty. Like, act like you've been there when you catch like a six-yard play on third down. Every time I see Mike Gisickey, I'm like, your body doesn't look right to me.

It's too dangly. Yeah, I'm like, you're a tight end. Like, what are you? He's like a 13-year-old. It looks like Beau Burd is out there. I'm like, what are you? How are you good? But you are.

Yeah. It is bizarre I think the whitest thing about me is that when Mike is sick he does the gritty and ever makes fun of me I'm like it looks fine to me Yeah that is I agree He's gritty's fine I don't really get what the

Criticism is his gritty is not an ick to me Yeah it's no it's not the fact that he is Relatively good at the Gritty it's that he just celebrates like he won this It's like you know in basketball Did you have you guys seen basketball? Yes Where they're talking about just guys celebrating and choreograph everything.

I just have visions of baseball every time Mike Kisiki catches a pass. Fireworks going off and shit. I'm like, Jesus, man. Well, there's so few catches. He never knows what's going to happen again. I'm not like, most of the time I'm like, I think people should be able to celebrate.

Like, I think it's ridiculous when the NFL finds people or calls penalties on celebrations. Like, I think the joy of the game. But just with Mike Kisiki in particular, I'm like, calm down. I feel that way about Bryce Young. I'm like, smile less. smile less. Yeah.

Just a little. We're gladiators out here, all right? Smile with. My ick of the week was, this is not even close. It's Notre Dame crashing out because they didn't make the college football playoff. I didn't know you could do that.

They threw a tantrum. I didn't know you could say like, we're withdrawing our name from the bowl games. We don't want to play. I am so embarrassed for everybody involved. I am so embarrassed for all of these people, all the everyone involved who made this decision. So just to stick a step back,

so the college football playoff, they have the 12th team field down. Notre Dame did not get in. And this was a little controversial because, you know, Miami got in, Alabama got in, two group of, like, you know, Tulane got in,

James Madison got him, we can go on and all that. I get why Notre Dame's mad. And like, just to go through it, basically, it's kind of really simple. It was a weird process,

but the right decision because Miami and Notre Dame where it was like, Notre Dame was ahead of Miami for like the whole time. None of this even matters, though. The point is, is like, regardless, if you don't make it, don't be a little bitch and opt out of playing

in a bowl game. Exactly. You know, we're going to show you that we could have won a national championship. We're taking our ball and going home. We're just not going to play ever again. We'll show you. I'm like, go fucking home.

No one cares. Should I have in a conference? Shut the fuck up. It's so embarrassing. Wiping all, like, grabbing the monopoly board and just throw. throwing it on the ground. I would have won, though.

Shut up, nerd. Oh, my God. It's like all these teams that have lost, like the big law school colleges are always, Michigan, when they fucking get accused of the cheating or whatever. They're like, shut the fuck up. Oh, my God.

It's so annoying. And on top of that, I wanted, there's a person who posted, I don't know who this person is. His name's Graham Coffee, who I guess covers Georgia, and he fucking nailed it. Because two years ago was a crazy thing,

which was the last year of the 14th playoff. And it was when Michigan, was undefeated, Washington was undefeated, Texas won the, you know, Texas was a one-lost team, all this stuff. And he was like, Georgia had won 29 straight games, and they lost the SEC championship by three points to Alabama and was kind of controversial in the SEC title. And Georgia dropped from one to six.

And so they didn't win the conference, but they didn't even get close to making it. Like Florida State was head of them. And then instead of being like, well, we're just not going to play. They went and played Florida State, and they won 63 to fucking three in the bowl game. And everyone was like, you know what? We probably should have put Georgia in. They're probably the best team. And you know what? They probably could have beat Michigan that year, but they didn't make it. And that compounds. That helps the next year. You think about stuff like that. That stuff lives in your mind, the committee's mind, things like that. It's super lame. 100%. Yeah, you're turning down money. Like, you get paid to play a bowl game. So this Graham, this Graham coffee guy who covers Georgia put my thoughts better than I could have. And he said,

How you do anything is how you do everything. If your core program traits only matter when things go your way, they don't matter at all. Notre Dame just told their players it's okay to quit when things don't go your way. I think they'll have negative consequences on the immediate future of their program. I totally agree. It is crazy to be like, well, we didn't get our way. It's like, you know what? Back in my day, if you wanted to win a championship, you didn't start fucking O and two.

And then also, they're not even bitching about the, they're not even saying we should have got in over Miami because they lost head to head to Miami. They're like, well, why did you wait to tell us till the end? Yeah, they should have told you, but you also fucking knew. It's so embarrassing to just not play. In an unrelated note, I'm opting out of the toilet bowl of the ringer league. I don't, I don't agree with this. Because of the rule that you made. I don't agree with that.

If any NFL team was going to do this, who would it be? I don't know what the context is. They didn't like their seating. They didn't want to play on wildcard weekend. Is it the Eagles? The NFL team would just be like, Philly? I don't know. Siriani?

Philly like we're disrespected. That's a great question. Who was the most opposed to the Tushbush? The Packers? Yeah, the Packers, not having an owner is kind of like the Notre Dame not having a conference. They're very powerful and also not powerful at all. It's kind of weird. I can't remember actually if they were or not.

I don't know. Let's just say the Raiders. Yeah. The Raiders? For some reason, the Patriots came to mind. Craig, what's your favorite Tom Brady moment today? Right. So he did Bears Packers.

I discovered his crutch work. word today. It's absolute. It's like when he has nothing to say, it's like the Snickers commercial, you've got to chew the Snickers while you're thinking. He just fills in absolute when he's got nothing. Sometimes absolute doesn't even really make sense in the context of what he's saying. He'll be like, it was an absolute collision. I guess. Like there was one blown coverage. I think it was one of the Watson touchdowns. And he was like, it was an absolute mix up and coverage. you're like, yeah. Absolute dot.

You can't unhear it now. There's like 15 absolutes a game. There was, Craig, there was one play that made me think of you today. I think I'm pretty sure it was there was a play late in the game in the Packers game where Josh Jacobs, he like got, he got impacted behind the line of scrimmage, but then broke through three tackles. and then like picked up a first down, picked up a bunch of extra yards. And, you know, the play-by-play call, KB is like, call on the play.

And then there was just like a moment or two of dead air. And then Brady came in and he goes, how did he do that? How did you come up with that, Tom? Wow. What's what I'm saying? In these big moments, he's got, it's just dead. But it was like a very distinct like pause. And then Brady jumps it.

How did he do that? KB? How did he do that, K. Dude, also, unfortunately for Tom, his voice goes hoarse at the end of every game. And of course, that's when the game is the most dramatic. So these big plays are happening in the fourth quarter. And he's so hoarse and scratchy.

And he's like trying his best to yell through it. It's tough. A lot of really clutch athletes, their voices are kind of neck, if we're being honest. I mean, my homes. Fernando Mendoza and Indiana, like, they won that game. Indiana's like the worst college football team ever, 150 years.

They win. They won the Big Ten the first time since, like, World War II. and the Fredado Mendoza goes on. He's like, yeah, we're flipping champions. I'm like, all right. Flipping. I don't know how we didn't put that in the ick of the week. That was a huge thing.

I'm talking. I was like, I don't want this guy. I literally, if I'm a GM, I'm like, I don't think so. We're flipping champions. Yeah. I'm like, all right. Yeah, that's not going to cut it. If you watch that interview on mute and just watch his like hand movements,

it's also kind of an ick. He's a massive. It was such an act. I want to see him talk to C.J. Gardner Johnson or something. Yeah. It's just not going to work. I don't know. I don't know.

That guy can't be in the NFL. What is he going to say to like Miles Garrett? I don't, how's that going to work? I was like, oh, these are why the Kirk Cousins' comps. Got it, got it, got it, got it. Literally, yeah. That's why. You like that?

The Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it a word. I mean, this wasn't even a stat. Just the headline. It was just like number one quarterback, an overall high school recruit in America, decommits from Georgia will attend Vanderbilt. And I kind of was like the, whoa, like, whoa. I was like, whoa.

I knew that he's from Nashville, which is one thing. But I knew that all the rules and everything was different now. Yeah. But it still doesn't mean it, it's not weird to see. I totally agree. that stuff never sits right just odd oh the number one in America is gonna go to Vanderbilties like I want to be part of what we're building

here I was like oh cool okay it's like it's weird yeah the BYUu guy the guy on a J Duke player who went to BYU there's a perfect example I can never say his last name it's like DeBanza yeah he's just like on BYU he's like the best player in college basketball I'm like what the bizarre it's it's it makes me feel old

because I feel like he's not Mormon I'm like what is this It's crazy. All right, two players who outscored Justin Jefferson this week in a lie. Oh, God. All right. Dylan Drummond. I don't know who that is. I literally have never heard of this, man.

Isaiah Williams. Jets? Hunter Eurocheck. That's a baseball player from the 60s. Dylan Drummond, Isaiah Williams, Hunter Eurocheck. Two of these people are asked for Justin Jeffers. I don't know what team Dylan Drummond or Hunter Eurocheck are on. I'll give you a hint.

One of these people is the head of the college football playoff committee. And two of them outscored Justin Jefferson this week. Dylan Drummond, Isaiah Williams, and Hunter Eurochet. I'm going to say Hunter Eurocheck is the head of the committee, is my guess. D.K., do you agree? I was thinking Eurocheck sounds like some third string tight end. So I'm going to go to that.

Craig is correct. Hunter Eurochick's the head of the college football playoff committee. Dylan Drummond is some dude on the Falcons who outscored Justin Jefferson. Dylan Drummond outscored Justin Jefferson to the guy in fantasy. Justin Jefferson, who was top five receiving yards in the first nine weeks this season,

Justin Jefferson now is behind John Mechie in receiving yards the last four weeks. Cripes. That's not great. Dylan Drummond played for Eastern Michigan. Dude, the other guy, the UNC guy, who's also on the NCAA basketball committee, Bubba Cunningham, That one always makes a lot.

He's the AD of North Carolina, but he's also the chairman of the NCAA tournament selection committee. And UNC was on the bubble last year. In shocker, they made it. That's crazy. Quite the year for Bubba. True. The Belichick thing, maybe those ball don't lie.

Bubba's got his hands full. Hyfitz Hunter, Eurocheck went to Richmond. Oh. Did he really? Oh, probably blew that one for myself. Oops. You buried the lead, I guess, by doing this. So you spoiled it.

Justin Jefferson has to be the burn book. We gave it to Roma Dunesay last week. Has to be Justin. No, I think we burned Justin Jefferson last week. Oh, was Roma Dunesi the week before that? Yeah. Oh. I mean, look, we talked about Baker and Emeka Abuka.

One of those could be on it. I think, yes, we burned Justin Jefferson last week. I'm almost positive. Yeah, we did. 13. So, yeah, because Roma Dunesi was week 12, Justin Jefferson's week 13. Lamar did well today, so Lamar's off. Ibuka, I will just say, so Emeka,

Buka, which is a little controversial because he was so good for you. No, it's him. He's had double digit points once since week six. If you want to do the Waddle model, one game since week six, he has exceeded the Waddle model once. Man. And you've played him like every time. It's week 14.

But a bench of Mika, Buka. Yeah, you have to start him if he's on your team because he got you this far. Like the crazy thing about fantasy is let's say, like maybe he was so good for you in the beginning. Let's just say you started two and three or three and two. that you had a Mecca Buka. Since that, like he's, he, if you start, if you didn't win, if you just randomly were two and three to start and you had a mukabuka and you didn't take advantage of it.

He's probably been a net negative on your season because if you didn't win in that stretch, he certainly hasn't helped you since then. Dude, since week six, three, seven, five, twenty, six, five, six, four, six, two. I mean, he's like, he's like Pat Fryerbuss. Oh. When you put it like that, are we going to do it? We're going to burn a Mecabooka? That's crazy.

We have to. It's worse than I thought, to be honest. So I'm going to just plug in right now since week six. Where to see, Reagan? I'm going to do a total point. Yeah, he's behind Jaden Higgins. He's behind Tess Johnson. And Kishon Booty and Parker Washington and Romeo Dubs.

How many waiver ads? He's buying Khmer D.K. on the Titans. Oh, my God. Yeah. We got a cranks. He's buying DJ Moore, which is shocking. People hate DJ Moore. I'm so sick.

J. Myers? Oh my God. Yeah, I think we got it. That's crazy. Oof. All right, yeah, fuck it. But yeah, yeah, he has one more point. That is actually high opening. I did not realize how bad he's been. He's been terrible.

Two more points since Mac Collins, than Mac Collins since week six. All right, yeah. Amacabook. Are we going to burn him, though? We love, no. I think we have to. That's crazy. We're doing it. All right. Emeka, Buker, you're in the burn book. That's, that's, I actually am really sad about that. That makes me upset.

Pat Farreymove has outscored him since week six. Okay. Serious? Fuck that. Yeah, he's cooked. All right, Abuka, you're in the burn. In one less game, but whatever. It's the spirit.

All right. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ronick. Thank you, Ryan.

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I'm one from the last 13. Oh, I know they have that song like Hands Clap or I can make your hands clap. That's not my favorite song of theirs. They have money grabers. Is that one? Oh, yeah.

Out of my league's a big one. I like Money Grabber, I think, is one of theirs. Okay. They're good, though. Hyford, but you would like them. I already don't remember the name of the band The Tantrums? Fits and the Tantrums.

You would know they're big like out of my league hand clap and the Walker you would know all those songs. Okay. I like bands that have names like that where it's the lead singer

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It was going to be like Danny Hyphitz in the football boys and then we're like The football boys. The diaper boys. Danny Hyves in the East Street band. Yeah, there you go. Dude, I can't believe.

Burnbook, the last four weeks of the burn book are four really good NFL players. AJ Brown, Roma, Dunesay, Justin Jefferson, and a mecca Buch. And we were this, if we had put Lamar in last week, we were putting Justin Jefferson, it would be almost AJ Brown and Dunstay, Justin Jefferson, and Lamar.

Yeah. My God. Come a long way from when it was Tony Pollard and fucking Bill Barrett. Bill Barrett. Shit got real. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus in present in select states.

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