The Ringer NFL Show - Week 14 Recap: KC Won’t Die, Josh Allen Goes For 50, Marvin Harrison Goes for 6, and Kadarius Returns

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 14 action by going through categories such as “Who Won Week 14?,” “FEELING NICEY,” and “Fart or Shart” (0:00). Later, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn Book (1:47:15). Winners and Losers (13:02) The Oppenheimer Award (31:56) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (46:57) Fart or Shart? (1:03:25) FEELING NICEY (1:06:53) Play of the Day (1:1747) The Tyrique Stevenson Worst Play of the Day (1:18:34) The Arthur Smith Award (1:34:53) Worst Ref Moment (1:35:34) The Lucille Bluth Award (1:40:06)  Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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of podcasting read in the Ringer NBA YouTube channel. Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Huyvesant. And I'm joined by Craig Horlebeck and Danny Kelly. Oh my God, I did the names out of order. You did it backwards. Crazy. That's crazy. That just happened. Did you say Danny Horlebeck and Craig Kelly? It just happened. Oh, oh. I thought you mixed our names up. It's the first time. in like five years. That's crazy. Anyway, yeah, so week 14 just ended. Yeah, wow, you ringer fantasy football show, et cetera, et cetera,

so yeah, so week 14 just ended, and we're going to go through all the games, and we have to start with Sunday Night and Football. Chiefs beat the Chargers 19 to 17. DK. The Chiefs doink it off the upright. They win the game. It is their seventh game this season. They've won by one score. Or the Chiefs just, like, messing with us. They're like a cat. They've got nine lives. You're the cat guy. He's literally wearing a cat.

Dad dad sweater. Did you lose a bet? I feel bad. What happened? No, we put up a Christmas tree today. So I wore this like Christmas sweater that Jackie got me. And then I was going to take it off for the show. And then I was like, yeah, you know what?

I am who I am. It's like leather daddy. Yeah. Yeah, I think the Chiefs, they have the perfect combination of lucky and good. I didn't feel like they were like bad in this game particularly. You know what I mean? I thought this was going to be kind of a, you know, a defensive battle between two teams that, you know, obviously like the Chief's offensive.

has not been humming at, you know, its full potential all season. And that's kind of how it played out. These division games are always hard to predict what will happen. But, yeah, the Chiefs, like, when they got the ball with whatever it was, like, a little over a minute left, like, did anyone have any doubt how that was going to end? I was annoyed. I want to see them score a touchdown on the final drive. I feel like they have won so many games lately by just needing to get, like, 30 yards,

killing the clock and then kicking a field goal. So I was really pulling for the Chargers to get a touchdown on that final drive. And of course they couldn't. They were up by two and you knew, or they're up by one and you knew it was all over. I don't know, man. If Derek Carr and the Saints had the exact same season that the Chiefs are having right now,

what would we be saying about Derek Carr and the Saints? Well, we would just be talking about how lucky they are. They're just like on a, it's like roulette hitting red over and over, but they won the two Super Bowls back to back. And Patch, well, this is better than Tom Brady. So not more accomplished, but he's better. And so we're just like, well, it has to be skill. But NBC, they showed the list of wins at the end.

right there. It's like week one, the Isaiah likely toe was out of bounds catch. And then the pass interference on the Bengals, then the overtime where the bucks didn't get the ball back in the overtime and he won the coin toss with Baker and Baker put his head down. They blocked the fieldgovers, the Broncos, the Panthers game, the Raiders botching the snap. Like they have seven wins on the last play of the game or the second last play to the game. Like that's actually crazy. Are they using up all their luck before the

playoffs hit? Is that a worry? Is that a thing that could happen? Or they're just getting like their kink. just like, I don't know, maybe they get them off. Don't get up, we can't get up in the morning unless they have like a fourth quarter comeback on the menu here. I can't tell if I'm more confident in the chiefs than ever or if I can't wait to bet against them in the playoffs.

I think you're more confident because you hate them now. Betting against them's nuts, but also it's weird because they're both the chiefs and no one's going to want to play them, but like you're also going to be more confident of this chiefs team than anyone. I basically think the simplest way to say it is that if you took all of the seven Patrick Mahomes chiefs teams, this one would lose to the other six. I'm not saying that that means you can beat them,

but like they would lose to the other ones. That's the way I look at it. They're 12 at one. But the best record, but it's the worst team through 13 weeks. I mean, I know they keep winning, but like it's crazy that they just, they're like the new Steelers.

Why I want that? But just the stat, just to, I have, so the Chiefs, they win the AFC West. So they have the nine, nine AFC West titles in a row. It's the second longest streak ever after New England, after Tom Brady came back from the ACL. The chiefs have now won 16 straight games

in one-score, like one possession games. The chiefs have won 16 of them in a row, longest streak in the history of the NFL. And the other one that blew my mind, Patrick Mahomes, when he's in games where he is losing in the fourth quarter, by any amount, he is 500. He's won 50%.

And also, I believe that's that when he's down exactly 10, he's like undefeated or whatever. But like, just losing in the first, fourth quarter, he has one half his games. The 500 stat feels low, honestly. I feel like it's high. I should be higher. 500's a little bit.

He's underperforming, actually. He has room to, yeah, he has like room to grow. And what sucks is, while the chiefs are on one side of this, like, luck spectrum, the poor chargers are always on the other side. They got, they got doinked. Hobbled Herbert was hobbled tonight, man. He got the shit kicked out of him. He got hit so hard, so many times in this game.

I thought, like, you know, there was, they would pan to him, like, getting a scraping himself off. the turf. Like, it was probably like five or six times, I felt like. What's cool about Herbert is he's obviously like so good, skilled, all that stuff, like the mechanics, like his size, his arm strength, all that is like elite. But also mentally, Herbert just like, he will not shy away from a single throw. He doesn't really make business decisions. Like the play where he hurt his leg, a guy was open, but he needed to step into the throw in order to get it off. And he saw the guy coming at him and he literally just made the decision like, I'm going to step into this get drilled.

make the throw. And he does that every single time. He constantly lays his body on the line. It's like almost a flaw, to be honest. When he came back from the injury, he still was kind of taking hits that he didn't really need to take. Because it's funny when Harbaugh was like, he's the toughest quarterback I've ever met.

And I thought I was the toughest, but Herbert's the toughest quarterback in NFI. Have I said that? Wow. Obviously, that's hyperbole. But like, is it? Because I get what he's saying, though, because Herbert really like, he picks himself up off the turf.

But on the sideline, when he came back from the game, like, I couldn't believe he went right back in. And that was the thing I was thinking too And it's not just because He's on the Chargers And he wants to avoid the Chargers doctors But like there was multiple times in this game Where he knows how he got the job

He got like He got the absolute like piss knocked out of him Went to the sideline refused like To have anyone look at him It just like brushed himself off And went back out there I think he got taped up His ankle got taped up

But he wouldn't like allow You know he didn't even like think about That's smart thing. Do you think that's that is the secret It's like he knows he's staying from the charge's medical staff. And that's why. Fear is a good motivator.

So the other, I mean, it's not just Herbert, though. Mahomes got the shit kicked out of him, too. I mean, Dan Bezuda tweeted this out. I thought this was an amazing stat. This is in the middle of the fourth quarter. Mahomes has been hit 12 times tonight that already ties the second most hits in a game of Mahomes' career. Oh, wow. The most ever in a game he took was 15.

He took 12 midway through the fourth quarter. Mahomes was getting hit a lot in this game. Totally. He did the same thing that Craig was mentioning with Herbert. in this game where I think he like, you know, he bought himself an extra beat to get throws off, but knew he was going to get like absolutely nailed. And he did that several times in this game.

So credit to both guys, honestly, for toughness. Collinsworth was on that all night, how much Mahomes has been getting hit lately. I mean, he already has, he's been sacked more this year than he has in any year, and it's only week 14. They had Juan Yee Morris at left tackle, and they benched him and they tried Kingsley Sue and Mattiah,

and then he was, I mean, he's a rookie. And then they had DJ Humphreys tonight, who was, you know, he was a left tackle who I think they said towards this year, New Year's Eve, this was the first game back. I don't think he even made it three quarters till he was limping off with a knee injury of his own, so then Morris came back.

And it's like, frankly, while the Chiefs rebuilt the interior of their offensive line, and they spent all the money in Joe Tuny at guard, and they have Trey Smith, and they have Creed Humphrey at center, even though he can't really snap the ball all the time. The interior is really big, and they did a great job with that

because the Buck's Super Bowl, they had all the interior pressure on Mahomes. They have gotten away with shoestring and bubble gum at left tackle for, honestly, Mahomes's entire career since Mitchell Schwartz retired. And, like, they just have Joanne Taylor, or sorry, Mitchell Schwartz's right tackle, but, like, the left tackle the whole time, it's been, like, 33, 34-year-old guys in their last, like, Donovan Smith on a one-year deal or, like, whoever.

And it's, like, the left tackle spot for such a great quarterback like Mahomes has been so in flux for so long. And, like, yeah, so now he's getting shit kicked out of him. And, like, I hope that they don't keep pressing their luck for too long because, again, this is another time. They lost, I mean, they're out of cornerbacks. Like, they had, I forget, Josh, I forget his day, was a Smith. Like, they have, they're running out of cornerbacks. Like every cornerback they have the steps up under Spagnolo, then they get hurt.

They already traded Legerius Stee to begin the season. They're not down more quarterbacks after tonight. And then who am I forgetting? Someone else got hurt in this game. Like they're just losing guys and losing guys. So other than Pacheco coming back. But the last thing we have to say is not only did Mahomes and the Chiefs figuratively get the last laugh. D.K., you pointed out to me after the game.

Mahomes literally got the last laugh in the post-examination. game press or Craig you are not here for this but we have to play it for kai please play mahomes laughing in the post game interview oh god love it you know it's funny you said you know mohams is probably better than brady um you know when it's all said and done my homes actually might be the only guy who would be worse than brady as a broadcaster it's like it's like can we pair it with like gilbert godfrey or something and like have no you put it the Abbott of the Austin for the Muppets.

Can you imagine, like, what are the odds that you are better than Tom Brady as a quarterback and worse than Tom Brady as a broadcaster?

Like, that is one in a trillion. That's a fend of that. Same game parlay. It's impossible. I said, Abbott and Kestell, I meant Waldorf

in a story. You should have the two Muppets in Mahomes doing announcing a game. Craig, who would be the funniest person to pair Mahomes with?

I was thinking like Gilbert Godfrey, Bobcat Goldweight, Goldweight. Kermit the frog. That's too close. Although, There might be something there with marketing.

It's good SpodCon. Yeah. Play one more time, Guy. They do lean into it, though, the Chiefs. Travis Kelsey makes fun of it. People, it's not something that, like, he's actively hiding. I think he's aware of it. You can't change your laugh.

Yeah. You got to lean in. You have to lean in. This reminds me so much of, like, the, someone put a, did a mashup of Patrick with Holmes where it's like, he sounds exactly like Kenny Powers from, from, oh, my God. He's like, you. Yeah, then the chain smoke.

We went to the sick party, the chain smokers rolled up. And then chain smokers were there. And then it just goes right to Kenny Fowers talking about like jet skis and fucking barbecue. I don't even know what. So good. Oh my God. It just doesn't match him at all, like in terms of like what you'd expect.

It really changes his aura because I do think he is like the boogeyman on the field. But I don't think he has like he doesn't have the borough Montana quality about him. at all to me. Right. But what do you mean? He doesn't have, I don't think he's very charismatic. Like he's a charismatic

on the field. He's extremely charismatic like the way he carries his body. Even though he does kind of walk with a weird head tilt. His movement is very strange. He's just like kind of funky. I don't know.

He walks like he's Pablo Escobar always pulling up his pants in Arcos. He just has that like bow-legged. Like he's very confident, obviously. And he believes in himself. I'm like, all that's there, but there is something about him

that doesn't quite have that star quarterback quality, you know? I don't know if he has Riz. Maybe that's what it is. It's hard to get past the voice, I think, yeah.

Well, it's funny, Brady won seven Super Bowls and still you listen to him and you're like, oh, this guy kind of sucks. Yeah,

he had more Riz when he was playing than... I think, I don't even think Brady doesn't have the Riz or whatever you want to say. He just like,

he tries to be too professional when he's doing the announcing now, and it's like he's completely different. Like, I've heard him do interviews, I've heard him talk. We've heard him on, you know, the Manningcast, whatever.

He's just like so much more relaxed and so much. It's just like he turned into like a corporate, like AI, just like spewing like cliches the entire time. It was a terrible day for Brady. We'll get to that. We'll get to Brady. We'll get to Brady. Winners and losers from the day.

We have to start with the Buffalo Bills who lost, but really specifically Sean McDermott, the head coach of the Buffalo Bills. We said entering this week that we did. didn't think there was a game of the year. And ironically, this was the game of the year. Bill's Rams was the best game of the year. The Rams beat the Bills 44 to 42.

The game was amazing. We will get to how amazing the game was. We'll get to how amazing the play was. The players were. Bill's head coach Sean McDermott lost this game for the bills. Or at the very least, took away their chance to win. He did the anti-Matt Iberfluse and called the most panicky timeout I have ever seen. And like, before I go on my whole rant, D.K., do you agree?

Like, was this the word? timeout you've seen from a coach in a regular season game, or at least in like, I don't know, let me through it again because I had like multiple games on. I don't know if I noticed how bad it was. So the bills of the ball at the one yard line, there was more than one minute left in the game. They were down nine points. So you get a touchdown. They have three timeouts left. So the idea is you get a touchdown. Right, right, right. Yeah. They wasted their timeout because they needed it after they scored. Yeah. So you had to get a stop on D. You get a touchdown. You get a touchdown. touchdown, now you're down two, and then you would get a stop on defense.

You can't let him get a first down. First down the game's over. He used the three timeouts, punt back. Josh Allen, who's in the middle of the best game of his career, gets the ball back, and a field goal wins the game. So they need to get a defensive stop. I know they give up 44 points, but he's a defensive coach. They call, they do a tush push on first down.

Does it work? They call time out with like a minute 10 left, which just basically ends the game. You have like a 2% chance to get on side kick. Like, it just ends the game. game right there using the timeout. Literally, every aspect of it is moronic. Calling the tush push. That is very brutal.

Yeah, I think the call of the tush push is just as bad. Brady was actually all over that. He was like, I don't understand what they're doing. I mean, the tush push, even like, you're in the pile. It takes forever to get out. It was just like such a mess. Everyone lays on you. Yeah, people lay on you for like 30 seconds.

And also, if you're going to be like, well, how could they have known it would be stopped? The ram stopped the tush push on the one yard line like 10 minutes earlier in the game. The Eagles are the only team where you could, the Eagles are the only team where maybe you could be like, it is such a guarantee that you can run that. But fucking Josh Allen, just like three quick, three quick throws.

One of them will work. But even then, it would have been better to wait and let the Rams lay on you and like sort everyone out and take 30 seconds off the clock. That would have been better because you could still try to get the ball back

with 20 seconds, three timeouts to get like 30 yards. Like that would have been, better. Like I can any coach just play mad in one time? I'm begging you. It reminds me of like there is all this like psychological research that any group of people in any field if you put time constraints on them are worse at whatever their task is. Like timing and like oh, you're on a clock makes you worse if there's like a big 60 seconds counting down thing. Everyone gets worse at everything. Yeah. Our power hour episodes

are the worst show we do every week for that reason. God damn right. Yeah. And so like I think arrive under pressure. I don't know what you're talking about. But like I just, honestly, I just think it's a brain for it. But like, I don't know how a team can't,

I don't know how in that situation an NFL head coach doesn't understand that if you call timeout, the game's over. Like, it's better to have 30 seconds left. They need someone to just do like a time, not someone that like makes the actual calls for you

in terms of like when you're calling time out because I think that would be something that coaches push against. Like, I don't want to be like, you know, talking to somebody, but they should have somebody

who is like prepping them for the eventualities of like the two minute drill. You know what I mean? Like if we get here, do not call time out. If we get here, this is where we need to call time out. And giving them like a reminder instead of having them trying to like figure it out on the fly, I think. The other thing that was absolutely insane was that on the final play of the game, the Rams punt on the ball back. McVe, we'll get to McVeigh in a second.

When McVeigh, seven seconds left, they punt the ball back. The bills didn't even catch the ball. They just let the ball fall and the time expired. They didn't even try to return the punt. And they had nine guys on the field. the last play of the game. What was that? You return the punt for a touchdown.

You win the game. They had nine people out there. What was the kick returner doing? There was a guy back there and he just ran away from the ball. I think that was just muscle memory. Like you're not ever taught. Well, I think that he's, you're just never taught. That's coaching because the guy.

That's just crazy to me. But the returner is taught so much, not just that year, that summer. Like your whole life, if you're a punt returner, it's like, you do this in this situation. And they don't train you for the one in, one thousand chance that you actually need to catch a punt in the end zone and return. You think somebody that play was like, hey, catch this and run it. That's my point. You would think the special teams coach has to grab him and say, hey, that thing we, yeah, it's like, hey, that thing we trained you to do to never catch the ball in the end zone, you have to catch it in the end zone right now. And it's like, guess what? The special

teams coach wasn't doing his job because they had nine players on the field. Are you sure? Are you sure it wasn't that, because there was seven seconds left, are you sure it wasn't that they thought maybe they would get one second if it just went straight to the end zone where they didn't want him to catch it and they would get the ball in Josh's hands one more time? Yeah, I think they didn't want someone to run around with the ball. I think that's why he didn't catch it, not because he just, like, forgot. But the point is overall that, like, it didn't work.

They didn't get the time. Like, that's the thing. Like, they weren't prepared also because they had nine people on the field. And again, it was just the, like, the Bill's coaching was a disaster. And it ruined this incredible Josh Allen game, where Josh Allen had the best game, maybe of his entire career. And then, I mean, first of all. He basically had the best fantasy day ever.

Literally 50, so 52 fantasy. points for Josh Allen most by any quarterback in the history of fantasy football. Josh Allen's the first player ever with three passing touchdowns and three rushing touchdowns in the same game. He threw for 342 yards and ran for 82 yards with no turnovers. And if the bills had won this game, I think it would be on the, and still is on the short list of like the best regular season games a quarterback has probably ever played. You know how we said last week was Josh Allen's apex mountain?

It's now this week. It's crazy to just immediately. one up your Apex Mountain one week later. Very impressive. Never peak. Always peak. Always be peaking. As we said last week, the MVP is now definitely his. Yeah, Josh Allen's the MVP. This game, between that and the

snow game and yeah, and the, yeah, getting changed. Josh Allen had 18 interceptions last year. He has five this year. It's unbelievable. And this whole, like, he was unbelievable, but also this game really was the best game of the season. I thought this was the best quarterbacking of the season. The Rams and Matt Stafford played Electric. I mean, there are so

crazy stats from this one. But, I know people are probably going to be upset that we started by talking about the team that lost and not McVey beating the bills. That was out crazy, though. In the middle of this epic game, the coach just ended their chance to win. That bothered me so much. Like, Sean McDermott literally just removed the bills from winning the game. But yeah, I mean, ESPN stats and info, or Bill Barnell tweeted this out, Bill's Rams is the first game in NFL history in which each team scored 40 points with no turnovers.

And then also, I believe, Hayden Wings tweeted out as the first game ever with 800 total yards and no turnovers. This is unbelievable. And so, like, Stafford played so well in the, I want to go through a bunch of individual plays, but Stafford played so well, my dad texted me in the middle of the game. It was like,

why did the Giants trade for Matt Stafford? And I was like, because it's a sound question. I said, because Matt Stafford didn't want to go to the Giants. Yeah. But, yeah. But, like, dude, who was the coach of the Giants at the time? Dude, I think it was like Pat Schernerner. Pat Schirmer or Joe Judge, yeah.

Probably Joe Judge. Stafford definitely was not in Cabo with Pat Schumer. No. Dude. The irony to that Pat Schumer is the offensive coordinator for Chitter Sanders in Colorado is really funny. That like Pat Schirmer could send the Giants back their quarterback. Neither here nor there.

We don't have to have the Giants right now. But like, I just... Matt Stafford had a couple throws in this game where my intrusive thought was Matt Stafford's the best throw of a football I've ever seen, which I think about once every month. Cooper Cup caught a touchdown off his thigh. Puka Nakua had two different catches in this game that like 20 years ago would have been the best catch

of the entire season. Josh Allen had two of the best grambles I've seen from his entire career. Khalil Shakir had that crazy 60-th century touch-up. Everyone on this game was just absolutely bawling. Like so many games are like, teams make mistakes and other teams just kind of take advantage. This game was just like 59 minutes

of just people making plays. Stafford had his Peyton Manning moment in this game, in my opinion. And it happened pre-snap. I don't know if you guys noticed this, but there was a play. It was actually the play where Pook and Akua made that insane, like, diving, toe touch at the sideline. But, like, right before the snap, the play clock was winding down. It was almost like a goddamn it, Donald situation.

You remember with Peyton Manning Gilligan. God damn it, Donald! What was this last name? Donald Brown? Donald something. Anyways, Stafford was, like, screaming at Tutu Atwell. He was like, for whatever reason it was, like, really quiet. you could hear everything that Stafford was saying

and he goes, hurry up! Get set over there! And he like, like, like, you know, wagged him over to the other side. He like barely got the snap off and then he made like one of the most insane throws I've ever seen. And then Pukinuku have made one of the best catches

I've ever seen. So yeah, they are playing at a high, high level. Stafford has always been like super, super fun to watch. I, like, when this team, and I had, I had the Rams and McVeigh as a winner for this week just because I think honestly, if Puka, Stafford, and Cup are all playing at the same time. I think Kyron you could even put in there too.

They can go punch for punch with any team in the NFL. Like they could literally run the table and it wouldn't surprise me that much just because they are so good offensively. You know, I think defensively, obviously in this game, they didn't have a good defensive game. But, you know, I think they have some pass rush and they have some components that could like make things difficult. But like this offense, it just allows them to go punch for punch with anybody.

Stafford is every quarterback's favorite quarterback. Yeah. And even if he's not the single best quarterback in the league, he's probably top five. But it does feel like he has like the highest degree of difficulty when he plays. Like what he is doing out there feels like it is the hardest for him and he is still succeeding. That is how good he is. No look, sidearm throws through traffic over the middle of the field. He's like just hitting contested three after contested three the entire game.

He's like if Herbert had Riz. Yeah, Herbert doesn't have Riz. He's just taking so much. But Stafford's taking so many hits. Oh, wow. That's a good power hour. Yeah, Kai, write that down. Riz rankings is really good.

Where's my home? 20? I don't know. Riz versus aura. But the, we need a Riz aura matrix. Kai, get on that. Oh, God. Get on that, Kai.

Get that in true media. But the, the Stafford, he's, he also just frankly makes up. So, I mean, McVeigh just said this. McVeigh said this up flight coach, Greg, where it's like, sometimes like, you get Stafford. And it's like, you have the wrong play call. And then Stafford throws a touchdown.

Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, oh, yeah. McVeigh looks like a genius, but I will also say great game for Stafford. I thought there's a huge game for Sean McVeigh. Because obviously, like McVeigh is a great coach. I still think it's incredible that like he's going to be. I mean, Sean McVeigh is about to pass Jimmy Johnson and wins in his career.

And like McVeigh is 38 or however old. But McVeigh's biggest flaw as a coach was always like game management, timeouts, clock management and all that stuff and aggressiveness on fourth down, which, you know, maybe because he got a head coaching job at 30, hard to have it all down. He did a great job with all this, like the way they ran out the clock at the end, going for it on fourth down and that final drive

and being like, this is a shootout. I don't think Sean McVeigh would have done that even two years ago. And then Stafford even throwing that to Tutu Atwell. Yeah, on like a critical fourth down. It's just like such a baller move. Get over there. Get over there. Dude, the goddamn.

Hurry up. But yeah, this reminds me of that Ravens' Rams game last year that was like the best quarterback game of last season. And I think that also, I think that one went to overtime, but that was this version of it. But yeah, the Stafford McVeigh stuff is, I don't want to be like underrated, but I feel like just because they won a Super Bowl immediately, we kind of skip to the, like, yeah, they're really good. But like, I don't know. Stafford's this weird quarterback. No one knows how to rank him or whatever.

But he's as good as anybody at his best. This was a crazy game. The Stafford golf trade will go down as one of the more interesting trades ever in terms of like sliding doors. and crazy. Obviously, the Rams are, sorry, the Lions are so happy they made that trade for a lot of reasons. But it's also like, you know, the Rams got a fucking Super Bowl. So that helps too. And obviously Stafford's still playing a really, really high level.

I don't know for how much longer he'll be playing, but, man. If the Lions win a Super Bowl, you'll probably get a documentary out of it. Yeah. I just out of that trade. Craig, who else do you have as a winner or loser today? My winner is like just fantasy backups and kind of like buy week guys. It was such a weird week. There were so many great players on buy.

This is the last week of the fantasy regular season. Ravens, Texans, all these teams on buy. And you had to start a lot of, and then there was also a lot of injuries, kind of last second injuries. Ken Walker was out. Breece Hall, George Pickens was kind of a late scratch with a hamstring. Ladd McConkey didn't play tonight. And all of these kind of unexpected backup waiver wire guys that we've been kind of touting all year, all these handcuffs, all these stashes. All of them kind of paid off today.

Zach Charbonnet on Seattle had a massive day. The two running backs on the jets, Isaiah Davis and Braylon Allen at 25 points. Garendo, the Niners guy, had a McCaffrey Day, 1.30 and two touchdowns. I mean, you could keep going. Tyler Algier had a day. The two tight ends we shouted out on the Monday show, Joanne Johnson and Calcutera on Philly scored touchdowns. Adam Thielen at over 100 yards. Sincere McCormick had almost 100 yards on the Raiders. Josh Palmer had a good day with Ladd McConkey out and then, you know,

Tray McBride and Michael Wilson had a big game with Marvin Harrison Jr. out. He was out, right? I didn't see him on the field. Craig. God damn it. Marvin Harrison did play for those

Oh, right. Yeah, he's out there. Tobias Harris of the NFL. Had a good day. Had a good day. The Tobias Harris of the NFL? Holy shit. That might have to stick.

Oh, my God. wait Marvin Harris Jr. Should we call him Tobias Harris Jr.? I'm just waiting for an impact game from him. Holy shit. Is he just like famous for having empty calorie minutes or what? I don't know anything about this. Yes.

Okay. And Riscilla always jokes that there's like the guys who are like, you read the stat sheet and they played for 37 minutes and you didn't notice they were out there one time. Milford men. Yeah. Real Milford men. Neither seed nor heard.

But yeah, big day for Marvin. Four catches, 49 yards, 6.9 points. Craig. Thanks, Marvin. Big game today, big division game. And that actually takes me right to my loser, which is the Cardinals. And Kyler and I don't know who, but it's just the Cardinals. This is the second loss to Seattle in three weeks.

They've lost three straight. This team went into the buy first in the NFC West. Now they're third. They're tied with the worst record with the Niners. I don't know, man. Especially this year with the parody in the NFC West. This was like a if not now, then when. And it didn't happen again for Airways.

Arizona. They now have a 9% chance to make the playoffs. They're not going to make the playoffs. Yeah. Losing to the Seahawks in two out of three weeks is pretty devastating. It's like, you know, I don't know, like they flew too close to the sun or something and their wings burned up. It was just, they started out. The way they started out, you're like, oh, God, this is not good. They, like, Kyler threw two picks on his first three possessions. Yeah. And then the Seahawks, like, basically took control of the game from there. You know, they fought back a little bit, but yeah, the Cardinals, it's really tough. I think it's

like hard to, I don't know, I don't know, I don't have to make it. them because on one hand, they've completely overachieved versus what we expected from them this season, I think. And at the same time, it's like, man, super disappointing because now they're fading fast. They're basically not going to make the playoffs. This is a tough division. The Rams are rising really fast. The 49ers can still kick the shit out of you when, you know, when they want. And yeah, the Seahawks obviously are the favorites right now. But yeah, the Cardinals, they do feel like they overachieve, but it is also very disappointing. Well, the Cardinals, I mean, again, they had 18 points

and they scored seven on their first drive. But I mean, I look at the Cardinals, you can't even put up a dramatic game against the Seattle Seahawks. This was the first conventional, undramatic Seattle Seahawks win that I can remember in 20 years. D.K., I mean, what was it weird?

Did you, like, even know the Seahawks were on? Like, did your heart rate? Like, you know, did you leave resting? You're absolutely right, actually. It was like kind of a stress, not stress-free, but like less stressful Seahawks game than I can remember in a really long time. They ran the ball really well,

which was like really different from what they've normally done this year. Their defense was really good. Yeah, I had the CX as a winner too because I think, first of all, Mike McDonald, we're getting proof of concept with him. Their defense has really,

really picked it up in the last like four weeks or so. They're starting to play together. They're starting to play like, you know, basically the scheme we saw for the Ravens last year where it was like, you just never know where pressure is coming and they're confusing the hell out of the quarterbacks.

They're jumping in front of passing lanes. You know, the quarterbacks that they're playing aren't really knowing where guys, are. It's like there's been multiple games in the last couple weeks where, or multiple plays in last couple weeks where like a good quarterback will just throw the ball directly to a CX player. And that's like, you know, that is a, that is because the way that they play defenses, they're like dropping guys into lanes and sending pressure from somewhere else. It's just like a confusing way

to play. And so there's proof of concept with that. I thought Ryan Grub, the offensive coordinator for the CX acquitted himself well today because they could not run the ball for like the first 13 weeks of the season. And today they really ran the hell out of it. Ken Walker out too, which is really impressive. Like Charbonnet ran really well. They blocked really well. Had some explosive plays. The Seahawks are in first place. It's going to, speaking of

the Rams, it could really come down to Week 18. The Seahawks play the Rams in week 18. And right now Seahawks are 8 and 5, the Rams are 7 and 6. I bet you anything it's going to come down to the last week. Where is that game? Seattle or L.A. It's in L.A. And the Seahawks have a tough schedule coming up. They actually play

next week they play the Packers and in Seattle and then the Vikings in Seattle and then they go to the Bears and then to finish the season with the Rams. So it's going to come down to the wire. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It will come down to the wire. That's crazy. If they can beat the Packers and the Vikings, which is going to be really, really difficult, probably impossible,

then the CX I think can run away with it, but that's probably not going to happen. I think for sure it'll probably come down to that final game of the year. Okay, next up here. The I.M. come death Oppenheimer Award for player who went nuclear. I mean, obviously Josh Allen, like most points for quarterback ever. Ever. Yeah. So, I mean, Josh Allen gets Oppenheimer.

But otherwise, it's like what we're just saying was Charbonnet, too. Sharpenet ended up being the number one running back on the week, too, as like a buy week fill out. I mean, there are leagues where people probably picked him up today. Crazy. I've always like, I like Zach Charbonnet, but like I'm a big Ken Walker fan, but I've been holding on to Charbonnet the whole season just because Ken Walker gets banged up a lot. You know that today, Zach Sharbonnet had a better fantasy day than Ken Walker's ever had. I saw

I think I saw this stat he finished with like 130 something yards hold on Craig do you have his stat line I do he had 130 rushing yards and 59 receiving on seven catches yeah and he basically whatever it is

130 plus yards and whatever it is receiving yards only Sean Alexander has done that for the Seahawks hit those two milestones or whatever I think I saw that stat on Twitter so like this was a massive massive game

for Charbonnet. And honestly, like, I'm with you, Craig. Like, I'm a huge Walker guy. I've been really frustrated with Charbonnet this year in particular because, like, it's like kind of unfair for him. The Seahs basically only use him in like these short-yarded situations where they're stacking the box. Everyone knows they're going to run.

And then it gets like stuffed half the time. And so I've been a little bit frustrated with him. But this was such a validation for having him and for picking him in the second round. Because when your star running back goes down, you can pull, you can go to this guy. And like the run game has the best game of its. like entire season. So, and he had, yeah, seven catches for 59 yards. So like, huge, huge game for him.

I was not expecting that. And it was awesome because, like, I think Walker was probably declared out like last night or something. If you picked him up on the waivers last night or this morning, like, huge, huge win for you. And also, if you've just had Charbonne on your bench for three months because we kept saying his name over and over and then like, all right, there you go, finally, glad that that wasn't all for waste. I also just can't believe.

I know we mentioned this in most. But a lot of these guys, Craig said delivered. I also, we didn't mention Isaac Rendo delivered and then got hurt in this game, which is just absolutely insane. Fucking Niners. The Niners backs cannot say healthy. I feel like every Niners run is like a slingshot in these. Max are just getting sent.

Genuinely wonder if it's because they're going faster when they're getting hit. There's probably something to that. They should do a study on that. I think there's something to it. It feels like, isn't that just physics? Like we have the data that the people in those wide zone schemes are going faster at the point of contact. Like it would be a...

Yeah, and some linebacker running the opposite direction just drills you in the second level. Collisions. What do about these guys are dropping, like flies? I just think back to like, it was like Jeff Wilson, Elijah Mitchell. I mean, Rahim Mostert? Moster.

Like, and they just kept, everyone just kept getting hurt on like a rotation. And they would just like rotate guys in. Now they're on like four string guy, Patrick Taylor, of all people. It's going to be like a waiver wire pickup this year or this week, I should say. And so, yeah, man, I don't know what's going on with this, but it's probably physics.

Other op and, Dude, Puka da Kua, number one receiver on the week. Yeah. I mean, we mentioned the Rams, obviously, but Puka 12 catches, 162 yards and a touchdown, plus five carries. They kept spamming these, like, jet sweep type deals with Puka. I know. Five carries is crazy.

Five carries for Puka. So, yeah, 17 touches. He had five carry, 16 yards and a touchdown on the ground. I mean, just every time you look up from, like, if you're watching multiple games, every time you look up, Pookas make another play. Can I do, can I do my intrusive? thought right now because it involves Puka. Yes.

I love Puka to death, but I think he's the best fantasy player that I want nothing to do with every year. Just because he gets so beat up every game? Yeah, he's like the, he's honestly, he's the Justin Herbert of wide receivers. Like amazing talent, beloved, plays the game the right way, like almost plays with too much honor. Like just every once in a while, he needs to just go down and he won't do it. He refuses because he loves the game.

He loves his teammates. just have a little bit of Tyler Lockett in you. Just talk to Tyler, figure out what he does. DeAndre Hopkins is really good at it. Smart ducks out of bounds. It goes into a fetal position. There was one play today where Hopkins, like, tried to stiff arm a defender,

he got all like feisty and then he didn't work, and then he just curled up into a ball. I just like, I don't think I'm emotionally able to draft Pukunuku and, like, suffer through that an entire year. Every single play, him lowering his shoulder. It's terrifying. It's a terrifying fantasy experience. But it is also exactly.

anxiety when you see like your best player in a collision and every Pooka-kua tackle is like a saga. And he gets like, he gets up slow like four or five times. Yeah, that's the other thing. I bet his family like hates watching him play just because he just never gets up quickly. I just can't do it.

I know he's amazing. I just can't. I think Cup is the same. The Rams are just walking in a tightrope with like all their players. It's an LA thing. Like LeBron just laying on the floor like just catching his breath. You know what I mean? After like he goes down.

Like every Puka, it just like crushing someone going down. And Stafford leans on them so much. I mean, like when they play, they're each getting 12 targets. Like they're not going to have an easy game ever. And then he literally leans on them like walking off the field. They're just both like they neither can walk as they leave. It's actually unbelievable. The other Oppenheimer, you're Craig, we should write that down.

Yeah, don't we should actually like, don't always take people who take a shitload of hits. They all get the piss hit out of your team. Herbert, Puka. Keep that of mind. The other Opanheimer. Yeah. Oh, my God, yeah. The other Oppenheimer players who went nuclear, just the Vikings.

The Vikings doubled up Atlanta today. What the hell? Vikings beat Atlanta 42 to 21. Sam Darnold, best game of his career. Donald had 300. Touchdowns. Five touchdown passes and 350 passing yards for Darnold. 35 fantasy points for Sam Darnold, which in some ways is crazier than Josh Allen having 52.

Jordan Addison and Justin Jefferson are both like, three fantasy receivers this week. Justin Jefferson had seven catches, 132 yards, and two touchdowns. Jordan Addison had exactly one more of everything. One more catch, one more yard, one more touchdown. Addison had 133 yards and three touchdowns. This is why we did that thing in August of like what teams should you stack and everything because sometimes fantasy comes down to like your friends of Vikings fan.

And if they do this again in three weeks, like they'll just win the league if this happens. It's also starting to look like Jordan Addison is making, was this year three for Addison? Yeah. He's, it looks like he's really making the leap in that this might be the new Chase Burrow. I mean, if Addison continues on this trajectory,

this might be the best one, two punch in the league. And this is year two. He's only a second year. And he won the Bolitnikov in college. Like, Kenny Pickett. He, I mean, he had an incredible season.

And then he went to USC and the, or, no, wait. Yeah, no, yeah, he went from Pitt to USC. No, he was at Pitt. He won the Boltonikoff. Then he played with Caleb Williams at U. USC. And then, yeah, so... Didn't have quite as, like, prolific

of a season, but still very good player, obviously. Yeah, I don't know why I thought there was a USC to pit pipeline, no offense. But, uh, Addison, it's funny, because the first touchdown he had was basically like, it's going to be intercepted in like nine out of ten times, like the darnel threw up a punt. Like, it looked like, no offense to Carlos, but two were throwing it, like, one of those deep passes, the Tyree Kill and

two of those. And it was like, Addison waited so long that all the defenders ran past. But then the other two Addison touchdowns were like super impressive. And I agree. he is coming on really strong. And then I actually think that this game showed why the Vikings let Kirk Cousins leave. And they took Sam Darnold because Kevin O'Connell, the coach, wanted Kirk Cousins to stay. And the front office did not.

And this game is why, because I think that Justin Jefferson's, the touchdown, I forget which one. It was hard to keep track of all five. Exemplified everything because there was that play where Darnel would basically drop back and was like about to get sacked and crunched. And he squeezed through an opening and like extended to play three seconds and just threw a ball on a rope. and Justin Jefferson had embarrassed like this broken coverage so bad. I felt so bad for the defender. Like he literally fell down trying to catch up to him. And he just hit him and Jefferson danced in backward to the end zone.

But like Kirk cousins can't make that play anymore. Like he can't scramble. He can't make that throw like on that at that velocity. And I just felt watching the game that like Kirk cannot do that. And this Vikings team did not have those extended plays. And that's why the Vikings are just a better team right now. O'Connell had a really nice exchange with with Kirk after the game at midfield. I want to hear everything O'Connell says midfield.

It feels like every, it's just like... He's your new guru. Yeah. He's who Stroud wants to be. DJ Stroud wants to be Kevin O'Connell. 100%. It just feels like whatever he's saying is so wise and it makes you feel so good and warm.

He just seems like the best. I want him or Tomlin to win coach a year. Yeah. I want it to be my dad. If Tomlin doesn't win coach of the year, I hope it's O'Connell. O'Connell might deserve it even more. Honestly, I think you're right. Do you guys think the Vikings are top-tier

NFC contender with Bears, Lions Eagles. And by top-tier contender, which I think is amorphous, vague term. Do you say Bears? Oh, does it say Bears? Holy shit. I meant the fucking Packers. Jesus.

Yeah. Bears. I think that, yeah, I do. Like, what I mean by that is, I hate the term contenders sometimes. Yeah. Would you be equally surprised at like the Vikings making the Super Bowl as you would like Lions Eagles,

Lions Eagles Packers? No, I would be more surprised because of Sam Darnold versus Jordan Love and golf and the Lions machine and then, you know. Yeah. Because I think that's, the Vikings feel like the second tier in the NFC all by themselves. It's like lions, eagles, packers, or maybe bears, some are saying. Sam Darnold is third in the NFL in touchdown passes right now.

I think this is like such a validation for all the Donald truthers out there. Hyfitz, I know you're one for this offseason, but like he's got a lot of like people sort of had been in his corner for years, even though he was, you know, really, really terrible for a really long time. But like, this is what they saw. He has this in him. I mean, like, he has, like, some crazy ability, crazy natural physical talent, arm strength.

And, you know, I know our buddy Nate Tice, I think was, like, always acknowledging that, that Donald has, like, a little bit of bozo in him and needs to be, like, in the right system. But, like, Nate has always said, like, he could make some of the craziest throws. Like, he's just, like, physically more talented than most quarterbacks in the NFL.

And this is why, you know, I guess, like, in retrospect, I probably should have been on board with this. But 28 touchdowns, 10. As someone who was on this, there had been remarkably little to go on. It was mostly just the lifetime of faith. It was the flashes. It was a lifetime of faith that the Jets could screw anything up. I wish every year there was just a new quarterback coming into O'Connell Town and he could just like rebuild.

There is. They signed fucking Daniel Jones. There literally is. Yeah, what do you think he says to DJ? Any times? It's probably, let me get ahead of this. First of all, If you two make fun of the Giants,

if Daniel Jones is good on Minnesota, I'm going to kill you both. I'm just going to tell you right now. But like, first of all, Daniel Jones better be better on Minnesota because holy shit, every single player on all 15 people

who play for Minnesota are better than all 15 people who play on offense for the Giants. So he better be better. How far does Donald have to go where they bring them back? One playoff win and it's hard. I think one playoff win.

It depends because everyone's like, oh, Donald, go back to New York. It's like, dude, no fuck. Why would he want to do that, number one? This is such a tough, it's going to be a tough decision. It already is. For who? I can already see it.

For the Vikings. Oh, okay. I was like for Darnold. Because for Darnold, he's going to command pretty good money, I think. $7.60 million over 15 years, like one Soto? Yeah. Speaking of that, I need to sign Calvin up for baseball. I know.

I had that thought today. Dude, I, I, I, we don't, I know that you guys don't follow baseball. I will just say, I don't understand the 15-year contract thing. The Bobby Vonia? Dude, my friend. Isn't Bobby Vonia still getting paid? No, that was good for the team. That was they deferred the money out, which is like anyone would want to do that.

It's like an annuity or something. I don't know how that way. Yeah, well, it's like, do you want to pay them like 50 million now or one million a year for 50 years? Everyone would take that. This is just like you are under contract to them for 50 years. Like my friend is his baby is due in January. And when that kid who is not bored. is in high school.

The Mets will still be paying one soda $45 million a year, which is a little crazy. Baseball contracts are insane. Baseball is the weirdest sport. They're like, 162 games, we have a ton of money. I don't know.

The whole thing's crazy. No one watches, here's a billion dollars. Dude, there's 162 games. $765 million. Ten times more games, Craig. Also, never buy. Well, there's not 162 of anything anymore.

it's like, 162 games is way too many. I'm sorry. And then the playoffs start. I know. Like 160, this is a game that's been going on since like the late 1800s. And literally they were just like,

I mean, I don't know when they went to 162 games, but like it's so irrational to do 162 game season. The best is when they remember that stretch where there was a one game wild card playoff where you would literally play 162 games and then you would get one wildcard game. And if you lost it were out.

You had a pitcher would get a, you're going to pitch him like to get into the game and then oh my god it's so dumb dude ryan o'hanlon who dk used to be your editor and like one of my the smartest people ever met and like ryan was always like if baseball had football schedule it'd be the biggest sport in the world like if the mowb just had 16 games and you had one pitchers once a week in the fall everyone would be obsessed 100 that's why i playoff baseball so great and the but never mind the fact that once sort of went from the yankees to the metz and all the city stuff that i'm sure i'll complain about for like literally the rest of this podcast

because, again, the contract till 2040. I just need to point out $765 million. Twelve years ago, the Houston Astros were sold for like $100 million less than that. Like, you could have bought the Houston Astros $600 million like 12 years ago. And 12 years later, you just get Juan Soto for more than that.

So anyway, we can go back to football. Sorry. Well, yeah, so Vikings. Should we look at some old baseball players? Was Juan Soto the best player in the Yankees or no? Him and Aaron Judge, yeah. I mean, Aaron Judge, yeah. Juan Soto, there's a lot going on with Wonsoto, but in short, he's incredible.

Like, he is one of the three best players in baseball. That's, dude, just like fucking evil empire. I love it. Keep going. Just $13 billion with the guy from billions. Oh, my God. So then again, Kirk Cousins gets $100 million guaranteed. I'm like, shit.

Might as well give Monsota 700 million. It's over for natural progression. Yeah. Here's my question. I mean, because if we're just it's so over, we're so back. Craig,

when we say it's so over, sometimes we're like metaphorical. Is it actually like over for Kirk Cousins? I think the Falcons are in a really weird spot. I don't think they can bench him, but I really think they should. This team is not going to do anything in the playoffs with Kirk Cousins.

Like the ceiling's just not there. Kirk is not playing well and he can't move and it's not going to get better and they're just kind of stuck and Michael Pennix has that extra gear that the Falcons need

you can even see it when you're watching the games it's like there's no wonder Kyle Pitts isn't running routes because half the time the ball's over his head are 10 yards before him

I think they should start Michael Pennix but I understand that you gave this guy $100 million guaranteed and you don't exactly want to call it on that 14 games into the first year D.K. I'm curious what you think. Because first of all, yeah, last four games for Kirk Cousins,

no touchdowns, eight interceptions. Dude, say that again. Kirk Couss. Zero touchdowns and eight interceptions in the last four games. And they've lost all of them. Not how you want it. Not how you want it.

Yeah. And then he had 340 yards in this game, but it was really like an old school, Ben Rothesberger, sorry, new school old school, Ben Rothesberger, 340 yards where like he didn't move, can't move, park and bark.

A lot of yards lost, played terribly. No juice at his passes. But Dekam, curious. The last four games, the Vikings lost to, you know, they played the, sorry, the Falcons and Kirk lost to the Vikings, great defense. Chargers, solid defense. Broncos, one of the best defense is Saints. Next four games, Falcons, and again, they still can make the playoffs.

Falcons are playing the Raiders, the Giants, the commanders, the Panthers. And so I'm like, do you bench Kirk because, oh, Pennix is your future, you might be able to start them? or do you actually want to risk Panics coming in and blowing one of these easy winnable games because he's a rookie? Because it would be kind of dumb if Panics came in and you lost to the Raiders because it's his first career start.

You'd think Kirk can beat the fucking Raiders, right? No offense to Austin Gale. Yeah. Damn. It is hard. I think it actually, like if I'm being completely honest with myself, it's a hard decision to make because I think you can't, you can't,

I feel like you can't bench Kirk and then go back to him necessarily. I guess you could. Well, that's the theme of the whole year. It's like hard. It's hard to do that because then you have like, you have to worry about like Michael Pennix and his confidence and all that. Like it's just like a fucking Pandora's box. So it's a tough decision for NFL teams.

Obviously, this is why they're still going with him. If I could do it, Danny Heifitz, actually it's the opposite. What if they have to bench their Kirk cousins? Because that's the only way he'll play better like Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson. What if it's the only way Kirk can play better is by benching him? Maybe Kirk needs to get into a very light car accident. Everyone's fine. Just defend a vendor.

Yeah, they have a reason to start Michael Pennex. They're not benching him. I do think, I do. Bryce Young is my worst so back, though. Bryce Young is my worst so back. To steal a line from Craig, I've seen enough. Bryce Young is a, Bryce Young can play quarterback. I, I could the game today.

I think I agree. I agree too, I think. Yeah, yeah. He looks, he looks good, man. He's making plays out of structure. he's making some pretty sick throws in these games. So Panthers lost the Eagles 22 to 16.

Lost. Bryce Young led a game winning drive. Like, did Xavier Leggett catch the ball? No. Should he have caught a touchdown to put the Panthers up a point with 45 seconds left? Yes, Bryce Young did his job.

He led a 90... Like, again, if Leggett just catches the ball, that is a 98-yard touchdown drive from Bryce Young against the Eagles defense that everyone was saying was one of the best defenses in the NFL over the last month and converted a third and 11 from his own end zone. He converted a third and seven that would get dropped,

so he didn't convert it. Then he converted a fourth and seven. And like the poise, everything. And I'm going to, first of all, I thought Bryce Young was like the best player in the one o'clock game window on the East Coast time. And I also, D.K., I'm going to say something. And this is an intrusive thought.

But I thought Bryce Young looked a lot like young Russell Wilson today. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I mean, like, that was kind of like, part of the equation when he was coming into the NFL. I remember watching his college tape. It's like he just has like this natural feel for the pocket, moving around, getting away from pressure.

Like that was like a big selling point with him is like his spatial awareness and like his ability to kind of like predict where people are going to be and then make plays out of structure. And Russell Wilson early in his career. And they talked about it in Seattle for honestly like eight or nine years. It felt like where, oh, this can't go on. He has to learn to play from the pocket.

He has to learn to play in structure every fucking year, every offseason we were just talking about like, oh, when's he can stop scrambling around and like doing things out of structure? But he did it for a really long time. And guess what? He's still doing it. And so, yeah, I mean, I can see where you come up with that like comparison. I think obviously body typewise, they're very different.

They're both short, but Russell was always like a thick, really fast player. And Bryce Young is like tiny and not very fast. Or he's like not as explosive as Russell Wilson was. But like the way that he like maneuvers in the pocket and buys, himself an extra beat to get a throw off. I can see like some similarities there. It's like, but it is night and day like how much better he's playing now than what he did last year and what he did early in the season.

It's pretty crazy. They almost won. That guy who made the $3.1 million bet on the Eagles. Oh my God. Must have had the all-time sweat of like the all-time fucker factor. Another example. He won though. He won't know what I mean. He won't know.

New House. If you didn't see this, so someone put down a $3 million bet on the Panthers to be, sorry, the Eagles to beat the Panthers. It's the lesson that Craig comes away with. Yeah. $3 million. Great bet. It is believed to be one of the largest bets ever placed on a regular season NFL game.

$3 million on the Eagles to win $400,000. Who has $3 million put on a fucking game? Dave Portnoy? Was it him? No, but he regularly puts large amounts on games. It's just so funny that, yeah, that person, which, again, spiritually, like they should have lost and just picked up 400. Wait, so how much did they win? It was $3.4 million to win, like, $400,000 or something.

$500,000. So enough for that guy to like redo his bathroom, I guess, for how rich he is. A new zero gravity kitchen or something. He can now add a sauna to his basement. It's funny. I, dude, oh my God, I can't believe.

It is crazy that they won the bet. I know. Dude. How much is it on this? How much does he get? What's his cut for dropping that pass? Oh, I see. Inside job?

Well, he should get some of it. Maybe it was them. That's one of the all time. I hope that guy went Apple picking with his partner and came back and check the song score. Cool. They won. Just like I thought they would.

No, that guy definitely posted up in a sports book. Like just a club and had bottles and was expecting to be like, yep, I'm going to get like a $3.4 million ticket back today and just like had it all lined up and was just sitting there. And everyone there was like awkward. I can't even imagine. Any other it's so overs. were so back here.

Yeah, it's over for all the Arthur Smith haters out there. Oh. It's over. Steelers are six and one with Russ, and the one was a Blizzard game. Today, today I was really feeling the two of them, and they were feeling each other, Russ and Arthur Smith. They are building something special together. No George Pickens today.

I thought the play designs were the best they've ever been all year. Guys were getting open left and right. Mike Williams, back shoulders, Friermuth opened over the middle. Van Jefferson catching T-Ds, Calvin Oss. in the mix. Listen to those names I just threw out. Like not a lot going on and they are making it work.

Yeah, pickens out. Smart move, I think. Steelers. I think Tomlin kept him out. I bet you he would have played if he was a playoff game. What did he had? He injured himself late in the week.

He tweaked his hamstring and he warmed up and then they decided not to play him. I think it's because the Steelers have such a gauntlet coming. And I think they thought honestly they could beat the Browns at home without him. But I do think he would have played if this were a playoff game. The Steelers have, haven't lost at home against the Brown since 2014. for.

Wow. Yeah. That's wild. So I think they felt good about it going in. But, dude, Arthur Smith. That's like one and a half Juan Soto contracts. Do we have to change the name of the Arthur Smith category?

I actually, I had that written down too. I think we do have to change the name of the Arthur Smith category. You know why? Because he pissed us off as head coach. But this is really like... He's a good coordinator. Again, he's a great coordinator.

And Arthur Smith's problem is that his dad founded FedEx and he got... I handed a coaching opportunity that he then worked very hard on. But he had the thing where he was obsessed with not playing his good players and working for Mike Tomlin, whose only rule is we just play the good players. It was perfect. Yeah, we tolerate the weird.

We tolerate anything. The psychotic people that we bring it to the organization because they're good at football. The least tolerant coach ever. And then Mike Tomlin's like, yeah, you're going to have to get over that, bud. Yeah. I agree, Craig. I actually had Russell Wilson as we're so back, aka Mr. Unlimited,

aka they're letting him cook. He's back, baby. Russell Wilson, he's been playing pretty well. I don't think he played all that great in the first half, but he ended up to 15 to 26, 15,000, 158 yards, 2 touchdowns, since taking over, as Craig said, he's 6 and 1, 65% completion rate, 8.4 yards per attempt, 104 passer rating,

12 touchdowns, the 3 interceptions, 255 passing yards game, which is like probably up there with, like, one of the highest seasons in his career. Has he always done the thing, D.K., where he gets down on his knee after a touchdown in, like, points? Or is that new?

I don't remember that, though. See how our fans might be screaming at me. He's doing that this year. I don't know if that's like a new, a new move he came up with. I can't picture it because I didn't see it today. He gets down on a knee and like points to the bench, like the finger gun kind of thing.

He's like, we did it. My impression of Russell Wilson celebrating is like pointing to heaven and like sign of the cross and stuff like that. Like, he's a very religious person. Now he's doing the finger guns to heaven. I am too now because of it were... You found religion.

But also, like, I think obviously, like, look, they're going to finish the season against a really, really tough slate of opponents. We'll see what's happening. Yeah, it could be an absolute bloodbath. To check in, it would be two weeks from now. Yeah, we'll talk it a month and see how this goes. But there was a report this morning from Ian Rappap report that... And he didn't say, like, very clearly. I read the article.

He didn't say, like, oh, yeah, they're going to re-sign him. it was more like, oh, this was always kind of the thought that Russell Wilson, when they signed him, by the way, he's making $1.2 million from the Steelers, which is one of the most valuable, like, dollars to value contracts of the last few years, probably. Well, his whole career's come full circle because that's how he started in the beginning. He was making $500K for his first four seasons. He'd less than a long snapper on the Super Bowl, and that was the whole thing. And like, this season is like the whole thing come around.

And guess what? He's never been appropriately paid. No, ever. Right. Yeah, slip, step, step. And you know what? If they give him $40 million a year, he's going to be overpaid again.

And they're going to be bad at him. Anyways, there was a report from Ian Rappaport that essentially is alluding to the idea that the Steelers always thought that he would be this way and that they want to sign him long term. I remember hearing reports about this before the season started that they want him to be their starter long term. And it's really looking like that's going to be the case. So total career revival for Russell Wilson. It looked like it was Jover there for a minute, but we're so back. we're back.

Also, while we're on this game, I just have to mention, there's no one that's more, it's so over and we're so back than James Winston, and just James Winston having an incredible touchdown pass to Jerry Judy early.

And then, like, I believe on the next drive throwing an interception, I think a pick six on a screen pass. Just the James' experience. Just another day in the life of James Winston.

Just. The Lord didn't deliver him from interceptions. No pick six is today, though, right? Or did he have one? I think the screen, the pick,

did he return it the whole way? Did the guy get tackled? No, I don't think the screen was a pick six. Oh, he just, oh yeah, right. He did get tackled, but regardless. Yeah, so there you go. Maybe that, maybe that.

So that's an improvement. Yeah. Yes. God did deliver him from pick sixes. There you go. Yeah, it should have been more specific. Technicality. God was like, technically I'll do that.

Can I just say we were, we were almost back, Aaron Rogers in his documentary. The press junket was working. It's his first 300-yard game. as a jet. I thought they were going to win. They kind of looked good. I was like, Rogers knows. Docs in two weeks, maybe. Got to ramp it up. Run the table.

And they put it. Ah, damn. 32 to 26 to the dolphins. I am starting to get more excited about this, this documentary now. I've gone full circle. At first I was like, I don't think I want to watch this. It's going to be too painful to watch.

No, you have to. We should watch it together. We should live stream it. I like to do a zoo. we should. Isn't it a thing now? Netflix you can watch with other people? You time it? Yeah.

Oh my God. We should do that. Five. Three parts. When does it come out? That's a really good idea. 17th, I think. We should do that.

Write that down. That's incredible. Write a lot of things down today. That's really, also I've got one more, It's So Over. It's so over. It's so over.

Nick Westbrookeekine's reign of terror. What a joke. The day we picked him in waivers. I picked him. Well, I think it's your fault. In fact, it is. Whatever.

We knew that when we picked him, he was stopped scoring. I told you. Told you not to do it. He had the freaking potential game winner go off his fingertips in the end zone, too. Almost had another touchdown. Dude, thank God, because the freaking Giants, the Jaguars won because he dropped that ball. And then thank God. Now the Giants actually have a top two. The Giants moved up.

It's just the Giants of the Raiders for the top two picks in the draft now. So, dude, Drew Lock had the worst game. One of the worst games I've ever seen from the, the New York Giants offense. And yet it turns out it's not very good. That last drive, he was moving. Malik neighbors made a great play. And I was like, oh my God.

If the Giants won that game, I would have killed Drew Locke or like I would have like stop watching football. I don't know what I would have done. Craig and I were texting in the chat, the group text today during that drive. Craig was like I really, really want. I really, really want Drew Locke to make a touchdown here and win the game in Highfitz, I think was like actually really mad. I wanted to kill you guys because you're always like,

just win for the Giants to win. This is your fault. You always root for Tommy DeVito. You get swept up, just want them to lose. And then, like, they're fucking losing. And you're like,

I want them to win. I was like, fuck you guys. That'd be hilarious. That'd be objectively funny. You guys are mean to be, like, 16 or 17 more times.

I swear, I'm gonna leave. Hyfitz, I keep, every single day, every Sunday, I think of you because I'm like, my poor friend,

Danny Heifitz, when is he going to get to root for his team to win? He just he root for them to lose every week. It's going to be emotionally draining. That was a moment. That was when I realized, oh, I had two moments. I had another one. There were two moments this year where I realized how long the Giants had been bad.

One was when you said, I've never known you rooting for them when they were good. Outside of that one, like, 2020 season. He's like, generally speaking, I've never seen you like wanting the Giants to win. I had another one this weekend. I was at a Christmas party and I met a Lions fan. Did you wear that sweater? Well, I should have got that. To the party.

Okay. Lions fan tap, like, we're talking football. puts his hand on my shoulder and says, hey, man, I've been there. It gets better. A Lions fan. I was like, fuck. Whatever, you guys fucking want two Super Bowls. I know, I know.

You don't know. It's a weird thing because no one feels bad. No one feels bad for the Giants. But also, it's been 10 years. And, like, they're the worst team in the league by a lot. Like, the Giants are clearly the worst team. Like the Patriots are better and they have Drake May. Like the Giants suck.

So anyway, big year for the giant. Draft show, baby. NFL draft show. Tuesday. We go through D.K.'s mock on Power hour Wednesday. So tune in if your team sucks like mine. Fart or Schartt. Any other, what do you guys got for fart of short this week?

Other than the Panthers guy who put the $3 million down. Yeah, I had written down the Panthers guy watching the end of that Eagles Panthers game. Did he shart at any moment in time? Pucker Factor 9.9. There was almost, John Hussmith almost had the worst shart of all time after like being the best tight end in fantasy or like one of the best three tight ends of fantasy

for a month. And then literally had zero points until overtime. And then he finished the game with 12. You know, can you explain what happened in your league with the Johnny Smith thing? So as I've talked about on this pod, our league, if you get a zero from any one of your players,

you have to shotgun a beer and film yourself and then send it to the group. And you have to do within, I think, 48 hours by the end of Tuesday, I think is the rule. And so, and now the other wrinkle that I don't think I've explained to you guys is there's a bag holder. So if you're the last person to do a shotgun on a season, you have to pay, I forget who you have to pay. You have to pay the person with the least shotguns or something like that. Like $5 per shotgun that's happened over the season. So it's like $100 something dollars. So if you're the last person to get a shotgun in the league, you're the bag holder.

And it's coming down to the wire now. And so everybody, as soon as they get a zero, is like immediately recording their shotguns and like sending it to the group because they don't want to have to pay, you know, the whatever, the bag. And so this one of the guys in our league has Johnny Smith. And he's got, he turned on his camera. It's overtime. He turned on his camera to record a shotgun and goes and turns around and sees the reds, the redsman. zone come back to the Dolphins game. It's overtime now. I don't think he realized it was

overtime. And he goes, whoa, the game still on. Then he goes, oh, where is he? Where's shot him? And he catches the ball and like rumbles for like a 20 yards. He's like, and this dude, Alex, he's like, don't fumble, don't fumble. And it was, it was like one of the greatest, like, he literally pressed record to start doing

a shotgun and saw, like, it was like a freaking God brought him back to life or whatever. It was amazing. Also, it's, uh, our beloved producer, Carlos, friend of the pod, Austin Gale just sent us a stat about

their beloved fans, their beloved teams, the Raiders and the Dolphins who have the two longest NFL playoff win droughts in football. 23 years and 21 years, respectively. Dolphins 23 years. 2001 was last time the Dolphins won a playoff game. That's a long time.

That's like almost Mariners territory. We're talking here. The Raiders, oh, should we? The Raiders are... Carlos was five. I was five. five years old. Oh my God.

The dolphins, though, like, they've made the playoffs. I think the thing with the Raiders is like, the Raiders have been so bad, like, the whole time. Like, the Raiders haven't even been close to competitive the whole time. I pretty much have no memory of the Raiders being good in my life in the Bay Area. I mean, the best season was 2016, and Derek Carr broke his leg on Christmas, which, yeah, Merry Christmas to Austin. Oh, my God.

Yeah, I... Derek Carr broke his finger today, by the way. I want to be... Yeah. I want to be super clear. not asking for sympathy. I understand the Giants are better than all these teams

and it's been easier to root for them. I'm just saying, the Giants are the worst team of the league. That's all. Speaking of Raiders, Gruden, who's got us feeling nicey. Dude,

I love that Justin Reed was kicking off for the Chiefs today. That just fucking got me going. There were some good kicker moments today that got me feeling nicey. You know, it's weird. I don't know why it's not their punter.

Matt Eryza. He was, he kicked field goals. Why is it not their kicker? Matt Eryza was their kicker S-Dishu. He was the punt guy. That guy can kick it like 130 yards. I don't know why he's not kicking off. That's a valid point, Craig, but why

is their kicker not the one doing kickoff? Well, he doesn't have much power. He doesn't have distance. They said that. He's accurate, but he has but it's, you know. You got one job. It is funny to think that the kicker can't do the kickoff and the punter who can punt it further than anyone else literally on the planet also can't do the kickoff. We can have our safety

I don't understand that. They got a safety doing their kickoffs because the kicker can't kick it as far. Again, anyone can do this. It's incredible. Not like anyone of most, but the good athletes, all of them could do this. Speaking of that, in the Seahawks game, the Cardinals kicker took the punt, the punter for the Cardinals got hurt. He like hurt his foot on some play early in the game. And lo and behold, it's possible.

It can happen. It does happen. The Cardinals kicker took over punting duties when the punter got hurt. The hero. The hero. The hero. Jack Sawyer. Jack Sawyer.

Sawyer. I love that. My nicety is more earnest. Your guys is kind of funny. Mine is just Kalil Shakur, who I just love on the bills. He was awesome today. Yeah. He had like 100 yards and a touchdown.

I just love how dependable this guy is. I think like one of the most, I don't know, under-discussed statistics over the last few years, Khalil Shakir has an 82% catch rate in the NFL over the last two years, which is number one in football. Jesus. 82% when Josh Allen throws the ball to Kaleigh, he is more likely to catch it than Jason Tatum is to hit a free throw.

Like, that's just unbelievable. He had a drop today and the announcer was like, what? What the hell? He's got a drop. I was kind of like, gosh, his fault. He's the only wide receiver the last two years who has a catch rate over 80%. He's like this, he's basically, I really do think he's becoming like this stealth Amon-Ross, St. Brown for.

He has a similar style. Yeah. I could see that, actually. There's not a rule in the NFL, but, There's like a rule around watching the NFL for whatever reason that even though we know there are receivers that come out of the draft that are in the third, fourth, fifth, sixth round that are good, like all the time. We never acknowledge how good they are to like a year or two after they started being that good. Like a Mon Ra, it took like more than a full year of him being that good first to acknowledge. Okay, this is not a gimmick.

I think Kalil Shakir is on that path where like he was good and we're like, oh, he's a starter. And it's good. We're like, oh, he's like a pretty, he's like an average starter. above. He's just like, he's just really good. But he was a fifth round pick two years ago. And so like everyone's afraid to anoint him because there's so many good receivers. But yeah, he just does everything. Yep.

Yeah. Shakir's been absolutely phenomenal. And they probably should extend him this off season. Uh, my, oh, speaking to which, two things. Next gen stats tweeted this out. Kalila Shakir has accumulated 550 yards after the catch of the season, which is the second most among receivers, the only player who has more yards after the catch than Khalil Shakir is Jamar Chase. so that's crazy.

I also would like to report that my dad texted me toward the end of Bill's Rams and said, Khalil Shakir is better than Malik neighbors. God. God, that's good. That's a good take.

That's a real dad take. That's like my dad texting me like Joanne Jennings is better than Brandon Ayyuk. Yeah. My dad just has takes that like I could never, they're not just like dad takes. They're like pre-internet dad takes. Like the internet age dads

will never be able to come up with the shit that my dad or I'm sure other, pre-internet dad's come up with. Yeah, it's just like genuine. Instead of contrived, it's genuine. Yeah, right. So he texted you that? My dad texted Shakir's better than Malik.

I've ever told you guys about my dad and Joe Burrow? I don't think so. My dad thinks he discovered Joe Burrow. But like after he won the national championship. He like threw on the game and he's like, this guy's good. My dad, every time Joe Burrow does anything, my dad's like, hey, I love Joe Burrow. You remember, I love Joe Burrow. If you can independently discover someone, if you didn't hear it first.

That's the thing, though. Technically counts. Because he's not on the internet, and he didn't hear anyone else talking about him. He watched the national championship game and was like, I like this kid. Then he went first in the draft and it's like, I knew it. He heard them talking about how Joe Burrow had put together one of the all-time seasons in college football history. Joe Burrow went 15 and 0, undefeated, won the national championship. Smoking cigars in the locker room.

Cigars in the locker room broke the college football record for points and yards and passing yards and was the unanimous number one pick, Heisman trophy women. or my dad turned on the game was like, I like this guy. There's something here. There's something with this. I've seen enough. I love that he went first overall and your dad was like, I knew it. It is so good.

It is 20, 24. Every time he does anything, my dad texts me was like, I told you about Burrow. And you're like, you did. Technically you did. You're right. He isn't wrong. Yeah. Look, there's a lot of first round picks that flame out and aren't good.

So, you know, first overall picks. sometimes it just doesn't work out. My dad also has asked, why can't the Giants get a Rob Grancowski for 12 years? And now I have to explain him why the Giants didn't take Brock Bowers. He's like, I told you. We needed the Grankowski.

My mom is always like, why can't you make an app? That's the best app. That's the best take slash question. It's pretty hard. Why can't you, Craig? Where would you start? You know what? I don't know why I can.

I guess I could. I guess I should just stop everything and start becoming a software developer. I've ever given you my idea for an app? No. Shockingly, I don't think so. I want to call it the cloud. Shockingly, I don't think so.

I don't think so. And it just scans clouds and it tells you about the clouds in the sky. I'm pretty sure that's a thing, but... Really? There's the one where you can point it at the stars and they can show you constellations. I want to make that, but for the clouds. I want to make an app where it tells you how long a... That seems like a more profitable.

idea. I also want, within the app, you can hire people to Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good one. So you could pay somebody $15. Yes, a f***ing holder. The app would be called line.

The app is called and then you, yeah, you show up, they give you the alert. I'm pretty close to. Beautiful. You should want to give this away? Maybe you're right. Maybe it's too good.

Imagine if your mom was like I told you and then someone else just makes the app and then you're like, fuck, she was right. Craig, when your mom asks you, when your mom asks you, why don't you make an app? is your first thought go to,

I don't have a good idea. Obviously, that's not it. Or I don't, like, where would you start if you were going to make an app? When you said that question, and the first thing I thought of was, Nate Bargatzi has this, like, joke about, he's like, if I went back in time,

I don't think I'd make a difference. Yeah. I couldn't communicate how anything worse. Like, I don't know. He's like, it'd be like 100 years ago or whatever, and I'd be telling a guy, You know, someday that phone that you're talking on is going to just be handheld and you're going to carry it around and goes, oh, yeah? How's that work?

He's like, I don't know. You know what? I don't know. Something to do with satellites? Craig, if you had to make an app, where do you start with that? Well, I'd have to go to Steve Jobs route and I got to find the techie guy. I'm the ideas man. And then I would go 50-50 with somebody else who could actually develop it for me.

That would be my plan. Right, right. Okay. That makes sense. So how do you like what's the first step in starting an app that's what I want to know. Do you like open up a word doc? Email us at ring a fantasy football at Gmail if you got your app ideas. Are any business ideas?

Help me develop. I'll give you I'll give you a cut ownership. You should probably like, you know, like patent that or something. Yeah, whatever the word is. We'll help Craig develop. We're stealing. I don't know. Or no, help Craig do it.

Just fucking take it. Please don't. for Craig's mom's sake. Yeah, go on. Should we keep it and just bleep out when you say the name and bleep out the idea and keep everything else?

Oh, that's good. Keep that. It's just like a really long beep. I think Kai's going to steal it, though. Just play like Tom, top over it or something. Oh, my God. Okay, wait. The other time I just have to shout out

because it was such a good game. I know this few days ago. Lions on Thursday of football. Lions play and coach without fear. And I am, again, Giants are so out of it. I love watching the Lions play. I'm so biased.

I want the Lions to make the Super Bowl. I discovered the Lions this year, you know. I told you guys about the Lions before the season. You did. I was like, this team, there's something to this team, guys. You watched the NFC Championship last year, and you're like, I think these guys might have something. I think this Daniel Campbell guy is up to something. I remember they were 9 and 1 this year, and you were like, I think they have a shot.

this is super random sorry I want to go back to the bleep thing again I said the funniest bit I've ever seen is this thing on TikTok or Instagram where it's like they put bleeps into movie scenes like unnecessary bleeps and it just makes it sound like they're really talking Harry Potter like dirty like it's the funniest

fucking thing I've ever heard it's like yeah it's like a Harry Potter scene like Doubledore's like talking to Harry and it's like they're just adding bleeps every like third word So it sounds like he's, I don't even know. I can't explain it, but it's the funniest thing I've ever seen. The bleat thing is funny. If you're an angel investor, if you're an angel investor and you want to know what my idea is, hit me up. Yeah, dude, they should just bleep.

Like the Harry's like, the Harry's like, you want to bleep in the car. And Ron's like, in the car. It's good. Oh, my God. All right. I told you my intrusive text from my dad. You guys have any of their intrusive thoughts? I already did my puka one.

Also, wait, while you guys think, email us at ring of fantasy football at e-mail.com, if your parents have, if your parents, uncles, any older generation, it can be any crazy takes. But like, I kind of really am interested in, like, parent off the internet grid takes where like they just don't, I don't know. I feel like my dad, the core of it is that my dad's not on the internet and has no idea other people had discovered Joe Burrow. But any crazy takes your parents have, like, you know, the Dr. Evil, he invented the question mark. I love that. Anything like that. All right. Play of the day, I mean, thank God that Saints, Brian Brissy, the defense attack of the Saints blocked that kick from the Giants to end the game. Oh, my God. If the Giants, like literally the game winning kick and the Saints blocked it. Thank God. What else the Giants would have won? God forbid. So shout out that guy. The Josh Allen pump faking out, Braden Fisk, the Rams defensive tackle. And then like just totally putting, oh, I forget the Spates, the Omar Spates. And like two, like third and ten just jukees out to. guys and just gets 10 yards and it was crazy. Yeah. And then the next play, the puga catch we talked about also, I think should be in this list. The pooh could catch. Honestly, just Josh Allen made three of these plays. Yeah.

It's, I feel like, yeah. I think just pick a play from Joe from Bill's Rams. Worst play of the day has to be the legate drop, right? Oh, easily. Yeah. That should have been the best moment of Rush Young's entire career. Yeah. Also, can we talk about Cadarious, Tony?

The fucking goat. This guy. I love him so much. I love Canary Stoney so much. He retrieved two punts. One of them, he fumbled, and the other one, he got a penalty for taunting. On a fair catch. He fair got it and then got a penalty for taunting.

He was in for two plays. I think like... And all fair is, he did catch it, so that's cool. Oh, so they were losing by like three touchdowns. The registered snaps are like plays and then... Divided by like how terrible he is for his team. There's got to be like an all-time high. Like I don't like obviously like he lost the chiefs like two or three games.

Like I want his. Was that last year or the year before? I can't remember. No, that was that was last year. The first game of the season, he had the worst game any player had all year in the first game because he like dropped three catches. He had negative yards and he basically handed Brian Branch of pick six in a game they

lost by one point. Yeah. His losses above replacement might be the highest of all time. I really think it is. Losses per snap. Tony is the rare guy that, like, if he's the only player in the NFL that I think is actually talented, I actually don't know if it's his about anyone else. I think if we had done his job at various points, the team would be better off.

Did you know that? Okay, so right now on true media. What do you mean we? Me? You're saying like I'm on the team? You, me, him? Like, there are just plenty of times where I'm like, even I wouldn't have screwed that up. Like, my homest would have threw me that ball.

I couldn't have fumbled that. Like, there are literally times where it's like, like, just 10 men on the field would be better than Tony. Often. There are 240 wide receivers in the NFL that have played at least one snap this year. Where do you think Cadarious Tony is in total fantasy points? Last. Because he's fumbled. Dead last.

240th out of 200. And that includes like, I don't know, 50 players that have scored zero. Get out. Get out. This is half pvr. He has negative 0.8 points in half BBR.R. He is literally dead last. in fantasy points this season.

I feel like that Antonio Ben-Garis meme where I'm like, among players that have actually played, he is 240th out of 240. Negative point added. But go. Can I tell you guys something? That's the happiest I've been all day.

I love Tony so much. The happiest have been all day is doing that. It's acting is way funnier than a tumble. That's amazing. Hunting after a fair catch. The score was like 28 to 7. Oh my God. Thank God he's not on the Steelers,

because I don't know what him and George Pickens combined would do. That would set off some type of chain reaction. We got to have that. Yeah, not the same as Tony, but I got a little bit of the ick when Roma Dunez. He caught a touchdown to cut the deficit to 28 points, did a little dance.

That's like the Chris Paul meme. Yeah, it literally, yeah, like Chris Paul, it's three to lead to 40. Chris Puts the lead to 42. Yeah. Yeah, that's a little tough. Any other worst plays?

I mean, it's got a good. to get Tony. Can I honorable mention, what was Derek Carr doing? What are you doing? Why did you do that? Every time, dude,

every time he gets out, I think I've said this before on the pod, every time he gets outside the pocket, he turns into a Lipazon or stallion. Have you seen those things? The horses that dance with like the really high, like the really high legs and they like do like a funky little dance. He like gets outside and he starts like high stepping and he thinks he's like Michael Vick or something.

What do you do? Dude, Baker does that. Dude, I love that lot of crimson tied about those horses. It's like just a matter of voltage lights up a cigar. Like Derek Carr, it's week 14. You're three and nine, buddy.

What are we doing? Wait, can't turn that off. People didn't see what happened. Derek Carr and a scramble in the fourth quarter hurtled like three giants. Came down like on his head, basically, broke his hand. And got a concussion. Yeah, he got completely knocked out of the game. And it's like, yeah, dude, what did you expect?

He got fucking, who was the Texans quarterback who got helicoptered? Oh, who was that? No. He was not good. Tom Savage. Oh, was it Savage? I think there were so many. Or Matt Schaub?

I keep thinking Orlovsky, but it's not Orlovsky. It's a different name that sounds like Orlovsky. Who was the guy who? Not Brock Osweiler, was it? It was Brock Osweiler. Sage Rosenfels? Oh, God, there's been so many. It was so many.

DJ Yates. I think it was Osweiler. I googled Texans, Cubiles. helicopter and the Rosencopter came up because it was Sage Rosen fells. Oh, maybe it was Sage, okay. I don't know. Fifth times the charm. Maybe it was like all of them. Maybe there's many

many helicopter. A Rosencopter. Oh, my God. Where we're talking? Oh, Tukar. Yeah, I don't know what's up with that guy. What are you doing, dude? I don't know. Can't turn it off. Can't turn off. Okay, I made a bad play today. I have to tell you guys something.

You made a bad play? I made a bad, I had a bad, I had a bad moment. Okay. I kind of messed something up. So we have a Dynasty League. DK., it's with your friends. It's very fun. It's Craig, DK., and then like a bunch of DK.'s friends from home.

And one of the people in it is Sean U, who is a former colleague here at the Ringer, who we love. And I was negotiating a trade today of Sean U. He is in a rebuilding mode. He is Travis Kelsey. So I was trying to get Travis Kelsey from him. So I'm texting him all weekend. We're going back and forth and back and forth at the trade over text.

And then eventually he just responds like a couple days later. He's like, send the offer. I'm like, okay, cool. Send it, tell him. And then no response for like a day or two. So I was like, okay, so I respond and I'm like, hey, like, okay, like I'm going to cancel. Now it's today.

It's like today and the Chiefs game is Sunday football and I don't want to Kelsey get hurt during the game. So I tell him, I'm going to cancel the trade before the Chiefs game starts in case it gets hurt. And Sean says, oh, I didn't see the offer. My bad. So I'm like, okay, no worries. Then he doesn't respond again. for hours. So I'm like, all right, do you want to do it or do you want me to cancel it? And Sean writes back, and I quote, sorry, dude, I've been busy all weekend.

Mom's in town. We just did our courthouse marriage. So it's been a whirlwind. Gonna accept it now so you can leave me alone. Wow. Congrats. I was texting Sean about a fantasy football dynasty trade while he was getting married. And you're like bugging him about it. Leave me alone. that's ironically that's not the first time

that this has happened in this league we always joke around Bick and one of the other guys in this in this league was like badgering hyphids on the day he proposed to Jackie and so we like talk about it all the time literally like while I was like

the text I was getting when I was like about to propose was Bick was like will you give me a future second round pick for Rico Doudal like that was like what was on my phone well this is what I love about this is what I love about fantasy man

it's like no days off oh my god I'm sure Sean also didn't want to say like hey I'm getting married and by the end he just like all right dude look I'm getting fucking married okay you are the only one that knows me and my family and you are now the only people who know I'm getting married email us at ringer fantasy football atchiba.com if you have other like just incredible

moments where you were texting or someone so you pressure it a minute of making this trade god that's bullshit yeah so there's that uh all right next category this is a new category it's called tom brady magic johnson tweets which if you don't know magic johnson tweets just look up magic johnson's twitter you'll get it's the only

person of the world to tweets like magic johnson um Craig can you give us your favorite things that tom brady said today during this football game he was announcing bills rams there's so many and there's just also basic. Let me see. I have like a million written down here. Rams have done everything they've needed to do to put themselves into this position, KB, but it's not over yet. You've got a hell of a team in Buffalo, led by a great quarterback

and Josh Allen. There is a lot of football left. There was, I can't even remember what play it was, Craig, but there was another big play in that game where I think it was like, and everyone was freaking out. I think it was like the Rams got the fourth down play or something like that to like essentially seal the game. And Brady goes, they are fired up. Great football. There was a, he called something pretty. He goes, that's so pretty.

And then there was an awkward pause. And then he goes, I know pretty is not really a football term, but it was in that situation. See, I kind of like that, actually. That's like the closest he's got to having a personality. No, it was so awkward. My favorite was Pooka Nakuwa made maybe the best play all day. And he had that crazy catch,

toe tap is incredible. And he, and, uh, Keeby and Kevin Burkart's like, uh, complete. And then there was such a long,

he's like, complete. That was awesome, KV. Like, like, like a full like four second pause. Like awesome.

Uh, there was a moment where Burkart was like, they were running through a Puka Nukua highlight package. And then he kind of set Brady up to walk us through each play and kind of discuss all the things Puka had done. So Burkart, Burkhart was like, what hasn't he done out there today? TB.

He says TB, by the way. Burkhart says TB. Oh, KB and TV. Yeah, KBTB. So then they start the Puka package, and Brady, the first play, he goes, yep, Puka here, catches it. Next play, Jet Suite there. I don't know. Literally, he said today, he said the Rams are a Super Bowl winning organization. organization, they are not an easy team to play.

Dude, we get a dozen emails every Sunday that all say Craig has ruined listening to Tom Brady games. And they actually have ruined it for me too because all I think about, I'm marching Bill's Rams. It's like, again, it really was the best game of the year. And I'm thinking, dude, Tom Brady sounds like he's never actually played football. 100%. Like, Tom Brady literally sounds like someone who has just like ended up at an announcing booth

pretending to talk. He's just describing what he's watching on the screen. I think though I will say this and I've been the Brady defender because I think he's got it in him to be better I think he's just nervous and trying to be too corporate it's like the first time you're like I don't know whatever he's just got like stage fright or something

but like when Craig has been doing this I swear to God like it's ruined all football announcers for me at this point because now whenever I'm watching any of the games I'm like none of these guys say anything like it's all so generic it makes you appreciate the good one a lot right. Greg Olson.

When Greg Olson's really good, yeah. What game did Greg Olson do last week where like, I think it was the Cardinals game? I'm, I kind of seven days ago, wish my memory isn't so fucking bad. Greg Olson a week ago was doing a game and they were like, it was a big game. I can't. I'm sorry. It was the Cardinals game, I think. Yeah, it was Cardinals.

And the Cardinals, yeah, yeah, I'm pulling up right now. It was the Cardinals. Yeah, it was Cardinals Vikings. And the Cardinals went up. They were, they were like in the Red Zone or inside the 10-year-old or something. And they were up three points. And it was like fourth and three points. fourth and four, and they, like, settle for field goal.

And Greg Olson, right there was like, this is kind of like a bad idea. I don't know if I agree with this, because it feels like the good idea to go from three to six. But what you're actually doing is incentivizing the offense. Now they have to go and get a touchdown, and not only do they have, like, to have an extra down because they're going to use fourth down to get it. So they're more likely to score because they're used all four downs, whereas, honestly, if you're up three, they're pretty happy once they get in a field goal range to kind of

turtle and then you go to overtime. So I actually think despite kicking the field goal, they actually have worse odds to win the game right now. That's exactly what happened. The Vikings went down and scored a touchdown. And it's like Tom Brady is just like, too bad they couldn't get the first there, right? This is a Super Bowl team.

They're hard to beat. The bill's score and Brady goes, that feels so good. They needed that, this bill's team. Dude, we should have, wait, Craig, we should have you do a bit where you like go over Brady's greatest moments in his career.

But like, as Brady, how Brady would have announced Brady. Oh, I like that. It's so bad. The 28 to 3 comeback announced by Tom Brady. I think that, but like big picture. Hand it off to James White. James White runs over to the right side and just punches it in there.

That is a great play by James White. Congrats to the New England Patriots, a historic franchise. Oh, my God. How would Tom Brady have described Kyle Shanahan's clock management of just running the ball versus passing? Not sure about that, KB. I'm a proponent of passing the football, but these are two great teams playing right now. Anything's still possible, KB.

He always does that. He never wants to do it. He's always just like, but at the end of the day, these are two football teams and they both want to win. I think his issue is that other than obviously just, because when he talks on podcasts or panels or whatever,

he's so fusive. He can't say anything because he's like a part owner and that's, but I still think he's bad. I think he, I think he wants to be liked by the players. And I think that part of his identity is so intertwined in, like, kind of hating the media that I think he went in and, like, seems to be really against the idea of, like, being a critic. I think that he's very anti-critic.

And so, like, anytime he notices bad football, though, he doesn't want to fucking say it. Like, he can't, like, it took Sean McDermott and calling a timeout for him to finally say something negative in, like, three months. He doesn't want to criticize anybody. Has he done any like X's and O's breakdowns? That's the thing. No. And that's the other thing.

I actually think the best advice, like if like, I'm not who gives a fuck what I think. But I think that the Fox producers should tell them, I want you to stop trying to talk to normal people because he doesn't know any normal people. You should pretend you're talking to like a backup quarter. Prett pretend you're talking to Jacoby Percette.

Don't filter anything. And if Kevin Burkart wants to ask you what like, you know, Spider-Wy, banana, whatever is, then he'll ask you. But, like, speak, like, gibberish and it'll be more interesting. Yeah. Anyway.

I just, yeah, yeah. Like, I think all, like, almost all of the announcers are just, like, spewing generic cliches, like, almost the entire game. But, like, every once in a while, like, I notice, like, Collinsworth, I think is pretty good at it. He's great. He's great. He's great. He's, like, oh, like, his moments where he's doing cliche stuff. Like, he's like, oh, like, oh, that is just brutal or whatever.

Kelsey's better. Kelsey used to be. fast, but now he's slow, and that's kind of better than being fast. But there are times where I've noticed this many times with Collinsworth, where it's like, the play happens, it ends, and immediately he dives into like, oh, this is really cool. Contextually, here's how they made that happen. Genuinely, it's like he knew what was going to happen. It's so impressive.

He's like, here's what, okay, here's what Andy Reid did right here. And I'm like, wow, how did you already recognize that and you're ready to draw this out? And it's like, he talks about, oh, it's like they had the guard pole so they thought it was a right or whatever. It's like, you know, like, the context of like how the scheme is working and how that play worked. But it's like, dude, most of these announcers in Brady especially right now is just like, just, oh, yeah, they're a good team. Great Super Bowl winning. Like, it's just so generic.

I think what happens is when they're sitting in the pre-production meetings, the coaches fucking tell them what the key is to certain plays. Yeah. Like the coaches are like, why does this play work? And they're like, look at the footwork on the guard. And it's like known that they won't tell the other team that. Brady is a get to be in those. So I do want. But oh, he's Tom Brady.

Tell me something. But yeah. I mean, he can see it. For sure. I know. I don't understand. Yeah, it's just insane. He's trolling.

He's trolling Craig specifically. Yeah. We'll have to find a new award for who to name this coach award after. We'll take Arthur Smith's name off. I want to just shout out Dennis Allen, the former Saints head coach who, again, hated Kendrae Miller, the Saints running back so much. And basically said he was a bitch and put him on injured reserve because he tweaked his hamstring. And then the new coach, Darren Rizzy, basically said, yeah. That got done before I was that coach.

He's probably been able to play the last two weeks that I don't really know why he's NIR. And then the first drive, Kendrae Miller scores like a gutsy, hard-nosed, tough touchdown and carries six guys into the end zone. He broke a bunch of tackles. Yeah. So Dennis Allen, insane person. Dennis, Dennis Allen, just somewhere today, just muttering under his breath.

Fucking Kendrae Miller. Worst referee moment. I don't know if the refs had a bad one, but I feel like the playoff committee, I actually kind of wanted to think the playoff committee. I don't know about this whole college football system. I think the 12-team playoff is good. Like, I think that there's, like,

stuff to argue about and we can get to do it. Super fun. But overall, I remember when it, we, like, it used to be arguing about the fourth versus the fifth team. Last year,

it was like a blood feud. And then used to be arguing about, like, the second versus the third team. Fuck, 20 years ago was Miami and USC just both went undefeated. And people just voted on which one. You know what I mean?

Like, that was 20 years ago. And you, back when you, you could buy the Jets for 600 back, you could buy the Jets for less than Juan Soto. Like, like,

that's how we did it. So, like, the idea, all these arguments to me, and as someone who, like, cares more about the NFL than college, I don't want to pretend to have a dog in the race.

It's all like, okay, but we're talking about the 12th team. You know what I mean? Like, it's like at the end of the, but having said that, Nick Sabin pointed out on the,

which he was so bitter, it was hilarious, but he pointed out how funny it was that Oregon at the number one, they get the buy. They got fucked. But Oregon's opponent, probably in the second, round of this. So if you don't know, a 12-team playoffs, so it's going to be, what, four games,

and then four teams get a first run by. It's going to be on college campuses. It's going to be, really cool. But Oregon's opponent in the second round will probably be Ohio State, and then, like, Texas to get to the final. And then maybe like Georgia. Yeah. And then like Penn State will have, who gets, who's the fourth seat, whereas Oregon's the first seed, Penn State's the fourth seed. And they have to play in the first round, so that's harder, but they get to play SMU, who is probably to go to lose. And, then Penn State will be playing at Boise State while Oregon will be hosting Ohio State. And Nick Saban made the point of basically this is the only playoff tournament in America

where the earning the number one seed gets you a harder path than like the fifth seed. He's like, that's not how anything else works. Yeah, it's going to be an Ohio State rematch. Then they're going to have to play Texas in Texas and then maybe Georgia. And they're undefeated number one team in the country. But the more I think about it, I'm like, it's a quibble. I'm like, this whole thing is pretty epic though. This actually reminds me of referees in some ways where, I don't know, people are on negative,

but I look at this college football playoff. And again, as someone who is more outside of it than like on the inside, this was complained about to me more than anything in sports in my life. And this is kind of perfect. And it's kind of what everyone wanted the whole time. I agree. I think it's super fun. I think it's a bummer for Oregon fans, which I am. But I think it's awesome.

I'm super excited for it. Did they beat Ohio State already this year, didn't they? Yeah, it was a weird game. Close to it. I think it's awesome. Like, again, to hype at some I'm with you, like,

from someone who's like an NFL focused person, like, you know, I don't have a dog in the race, but like, I think this is awesome. I think it is kind of wild when you think,

like, if you just take a step back and look at how much different college football is. Oh, my God. It is seismic changes happening in college football. It's like every year, something just massive is happening with, between like the NIL,

the conference realignments, the college football playoff. Like, it's just like, it's completely sea change happening in college football. Someone's, said something to me, not to me, Jesus, this is on television. No, actually, I take it back.

I don't know who the fuck said this to me. I don't know if it was in person at a party or television or a tweet. So wherever, this is not an original thought. But somewhere, someone, I read something and someone was like, the college football is more professional than the NFL. Like, it's more of a business because, like, the players can, like, leave whenever they want. Yeah. So you have this crazy environment where, like, the Kansas quarterback, like, they used the term

re-signed. in Kansas. So like they can kind of renegotiate whenever. Like there's no rules or like when you can renegotiate or when. Like you like it's like a crazy player-friendly environment right now, comparative to all the other pro sports where, you know, at least you get a long-term deal.

Like Juan Soto can't ask for a raise for at least five years. You know what I mean? When you get the long deal. These guys like, that part's crazy. The players have more power now. Yeah. Way more.

Well, it's also they can choose where they get to where they want to go and then they can transfer where they want to go without losing a year. Don't even get me started on Brian Kelly, the LSU. coach who literally has a dream job, Notre Dame head coach, it left for more money somewhere else, bitching this week about players who just like want to go somewhere else. And I'm like,

okay, buddy, you left Notre Dame. College coach is bitching about the players who making no money is like a tail as old as time. But I don't know. The fact that the games are going to be on campus is, is, yeah, that's fun.

Electric. It's exciting. Okay. Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line and I won't respond to it award. Wantsotto. $765 million for a baseball player. I can't even comprehend that.

Think about like your, how often do baseball players get a check, do you think, every two weeks? Every, well, is it like normal people? How does that work? Is it a game check?

Kobe Bryant used to get paid once a year. Imagine like every check of that. Oh, God, I just, it's crazy. You can't think about it. I know. Kobe Bryant used to get,

when he made $48 million a year, he got two different $24 million dollars deposits. You got twice a year, just to lump sum. The actual number I wanted to save you guys for this is not the 700 million that you could have bought a baseball team with. Once so, it'll be a free agent again at 2040. Yeah, if the Earth is still here.

I haven't thought about 2040 yet. And I say that this was the first time that I thought anything about the year 2040. It hadn't occurred to me yet. That's why you had these long contracts, because who might as well. We don't even know who we either. Are the aliens going to honor that contract?

I would sign that from homes to a 100-year contract. I Fuck it We'll be dead That's how they used to do it Craig They like the British Like leased Hong Kong

For like a hundred years Yeah like a 99 year lease You know Obviously we don't have to get into that But you know Kind of a weird idea Yeah that is a weird idea Yeah

Leasing Hong Kong Sorry It's weird To get into the geopolitical And all that stuff Yeah What could go wrong Uh

Brock Bowers Bauer's broke the record for receptions by rookie tight end. We're like not even 12 days out from Christmas. Dude. Just has that.

Back pocket. I'm going to list here the other stats that I don't know what to do with. Here are the NFL coaches who have won 70% of their career games. Guy Chamberlain, whatever,

I don't know, it's the 20s. John Madden. Number two. Speaking of a great commentator. Yeah. John Madden. Vince Lombardi.

I heard him. George Allen. And the last one is Nick Siriani. Yeah. That's great. I love 70% of his games. Well, how many games is he coached?

Five years, four years. Yeah. I just, you know, credit where credits do. I don't know if he gets any credit, but he's on the list. We'll pour a little honey on him. Pour a little honey on the goat. Other stats I don't understand. Bears, at one point, the 49ers had 310 yards in the Bears had two.

In the first half, the Bears had five punts and four years. yards. Yeah. Really, we didn't talk about that game, really. It was a tough start for them. Tough Bears game.

That was like a real Kyle Shanahan got to coach against like a Thomas Brown who was a fucking passing game coordinator like four weeks ago. And it's funny because you actually see this sometimes where it's like, oh, they promoted him. So guess what happens? They fired Matt Abrefleo, so the defense got worse. But then they promoted the guy who's the passing game coordinator who's now the head coach. So the offense got worse too.

And then you're playing it's Kyle Shanahan. So you're just screwed from the jump. So yikes. but then they almost beat the Lions last week. So, you know. Well, their offense has been out. The last two weeks have been pretty good. And then they picked it up in the second half,

but that first half was rough. It was garbage time, I know, but. My, I don't understand the stat line. This isn't a stat line, but this was something I consumed over the weekend that I didn't understand. Timothy Shalameh, hopping on game day and kind of just being a college football savant

or like, just like the greatest actor ever. He just was so smooth and confident and seemed like somebody who, has been watching college football's whole life. I know they fed that all to him. I'm sure he had his notes to read. Regardless, the dude put on a performance of a lifetime. It was the performance of a lifetime.

It's his best role of 2024. Yeah, the Mahdi. Maudi. Maudiv. Moodie. Oh, yeah, you're doing the worm? Yeah, I sent you guys that, right? Yeah.

We predict the games. They call it Liza al-Gaib. A little desert mouse. The bed of Jeser. Nasty women. Nasty women. Yeah, dude, Chalemay. That was crazy.

That was insane. But yeah, it's kind of like he just read. He treated it like a role. Like he was like, I, that was psycho. I was telling you guys off the show that one of my favorite movies that don't ever talks about. Maybe everyone hates. I don't know. Is the king.

Which is like, it's a Shakespearean remake essentially, but it's like kind of hardcore and violent. I fucking love that, that movie. He's been Willie Wonka, Paul Atreides, and Bob Dylan in the last 12 months, and it worked. He went three for three. And he was on cost of ball. And he's like a sneaky football guy who I'm like, do I want to get a beer of shalloway now? Do I love Timothy Salome? That reminded me, dude, Daniel DeLuis's wife once said, like, I've lived with some strange men.

Yeah. Dude. See, I don't, Shalmay doesn't pick me his method. I think DDL was Abe Lincoln for like three years every day. I think Chalemay comes home and he's like, what bars were hidden. Yeah. Is he dating Craig Jenner? Do you think?

You know, I don't know if he's still dating Kylie Jenner. I don't think they wanted, you know, for his Bob Dylan press run, I don't know if they wanted Kylie Jenner to be there. So I kind of feel like they're just kind of keeping her on ice until the Bob Dylan movie movie on the Oscars wave. How does that hurt? Um, I think for like, the types of fans and Oscar voters and stuff,

like him just like hanging out with Kylie Jenner on the red carpet is just like maybe not what they want for the Bob Dylan movie. Press, I don't know. Carlos says we got to get him on the draft show, and I think that's an incredible idea. Oh, my God. Let's call. He's been on Kimmel before. He said he's a big Bill fan.

He only follows like, this tweet might be old, but I saw a tweet about how he only follows like 50 people and one of them's Bill. Yeah, we got to get, yeah. Oh, my God. You've got to get Shalame in the trash. Shalemay, if you're listening, you're invited on the radio NFL draft show.

Moadib, he might know ball. He knows ball. Moadib knows ball. See, the memes of like he says he is too humble to admit he is the Mottie. Also, wait, on this note, two tight-in, two outskirts in a lie. Tough day for Kyle. Kyle pits one catch, 14 yards. Yeah.

He's back. It's so over. So over. Two tight-in to out-square cow pits in a lie. Charlie Werner. Okay. I believe it. The other tight end on the Falcons.

Oh, God. Josh Weil? Wiley? I don't know. I think it's Wiley. I've only seen it written. I don't know for sure. Parker Navarro.

That's not a real person. Parker Navarro? I'm going with Parker Navarro. Sure, me too. Who is that? Parker Navarro is the Ohio quarterback that Timothy Shalamey said was the reason he wanted to pick that game as an upset, and then he's the only one who picked Ohio to win, and then they beat Miami of Ohio.

Liza al-Gaib. Burn book. Last week was... So just to recap, in reverse order, we have burned C.C. Stroud and Tank Dell. Dibo Samuel, who actually wanted to burn this week. I forgot we already did that. DJ Moore, Michael Pittman, Jalen Waddle, Mahomes,

Travis E.N., Mark Andrews, Kyle Pitts, DeAndre Swift, Christian Kirk, and Deshawn Watson. Who do we got this week? this was a rough week with like injuries and everything. A lot of people wanted to burn Jaden Reed because he had zero points on Thursday. Oh, I could see that. He's been good though.

Like he had like 18 points the week before that, 15 or something the week before that. He's been good. He scored a lot of touchdowns. I feel like it's tough to burn him for the 1-0, although obviously it's a tough time. The person of wondering, I kind of think we should burn Kirk Cousins

because he's growing up not just himself, but he's also messing with Drake London and Darnel Moody and Pitts. And Pitts, yeah. Mooney had like 140 yards. today, though. I know, but like, what about Marvin Harrison?

Did we not do that? Is he? Did we? Fuck, we didn't. Yeah, let burn his ass. Yeah, what am I told him? He just assumed. He's six points.

Come on. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, burn him. Yeah, he's done. Three of his last five games, six, six, two. Marvin Harrison, you know where I think he's really going to end up being like Amari Cooper, a really good player? His, Marvin Harrison's dad said this about Marvin Harrison.

I wish he demanded. the ball more like I did. He's too selfish. He's selfless. I wish he'd be more selfish. Marvin Harrison said that about his son. And like, you know what? You know what this is like that?

Amari Cooper just wants to win games. Doesn't demand the ball. Like, I kind of think Marvin Harrison's content, like, doing what needs to be done and doesn't need to go out. Like, he's not, I literally think he's not yelling a Kyler Murray for the football. Yeah. And he's good. Now he's in the book.

Yeah. All right. Marvin Harrison, you're burned. Okay. Should I apologize to Sean Yu for texting during his wedding? No, and then you're just going to interrupt his honeymoon. Just let him be.

Yeah, I would say, see if you can do like a Zoom thing with him. So you can say it's face to his face. Yeah. Just FaceTime him at like midnight. Should we get, should we pay for a cameo to send to Sean Yu of a celebrity apologizing on behalf of you? Yes.

That'd be good. Yes. Maybe Timothy shallome. Yeah. Or Travis Kelsey. or Kelsey Is he doing Is he doing those already?

I got it I don't know Probably not these days Highly done it What are they called again? Cameo Cameos yeah Good idea

For an app Yeah You get a start nap Cameo is a great idea Oh my God All right thank you DK Thank you Craig Thank you Karen Carlos

For producing this episode Thank you Austin Thank you everyone Email us At ringer fantasy football At gmail.com I want your crazy dad parent

Whoever takes whatever, moms, whatever, like, just give me their takes. Like, my dad thinks he discovered Joe Burrow. And it has to be in the lines of, like, my father claimed he invented the question mark. Yeah, anything like that. Remember we did a trivia who invented the letter J? What was that?

Yeah, it was like some Italian guy in 1500s. Yeah, answered in something. What was the other thing we wanted people to email in? A lot of things. Angel investors. We want to get involved in my app idea. for Craig's idea that hopefully we bleeped out. And then, no, there's another one.

Yo, Andy Reid is on cameo. Oh, no. Oh, is this an impersonator? Do you remember Jeff Saturday was on cameo when he got hired for the cults? Gene Sterritor. And then we almost... Oh, Gene Starrator.

Good. He can come on and disagree with whatever we tell him to. That's what I'm for. There was a great one today. In the Rams Bills game, there was a great Brady comes in. And they were like, he was like, I think that was a false start. But they didn't call it.

Gene, what did you think? Gene's like, yeah, that was a false star. They should have called that. And I was like, okay, once again, refs are wrong. Antonio Brown is on cameo. Yeah, dude. Antonio Brown's probably on everything.

Just saying, $2.50? Let's make it happen. Brett Farve? Not sure I want a video from him. That was just low-hanging fruit for you there. That's exactly why I don't want a video from him. I don't want to see the low-hanging fruit. Thank you, Lorne.

Lord. Thank you, Nelly. Nice. See that? I think hot in here is a one second song, I think. Yeah, I can hear it. Yeah. By the way, are we doing that?

Are we doing that? Isn't it like a... Yeah, we'll see. I think we have to see if our relationship can handle that so quickly after the previous one. There's always lookalikes on came in. That guy's like a really creepy looking Aaron Rogers. I feel like these are all altered with like filters.

You know the Tom Cruise guy? No. You never seen him? Ben Stiller? Those are funny. Yeah. There's like, I don't know what's AI, but there's like some type of Snapchat filter of this dude on TikTok who legitimately looks exactly like Tom Cruise. There's a guy that looks just like Elon Musk, but he's like really small.

Have you seen that guy? No. Yeah. There's a guy that looks just like Elon Musk, but he's small. Elon's sneaky Haas. Yeah. He's huge. Yeah.

Is he? His torso's the size of like a Buick. Oh, yeah. No, the proportions are like, they get the Ron DeSantis. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I've seen that. It's like sideways. God.

He's got the Rondasantis where like I don't understand how I'm just like, I don't know what's going on. Well, Desantis is like stuffing his boots with like tissue paper. Elon's 6-2. I bet he's I give him another inch. I give him 6'3. He's big. His torso's 5-11. All right, goodbye, everyone.

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