The Ringer NFL Show - Week 14 Recap: Mahomes Meltdown, Fantasy Murderers, and the Great Toney Debate

Episode Date: December 11, 2023

The guys recap NFL Week 14, starting with the Cowboys' big win and Dak’s MVP case. They also debate the end of the Chiefs-Bills game, the return of Justin Fields, and some season-ruining fantasy performances. Then, they add a new name to the Fantasy Burn Book. Check out our Fantasy Football Rankings for this week’s positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. And Sunday of Week 14 is done. And we're going to break it all down. But first, quick programming note. This Wednesday, we're coming to you with the Ringer NFL draft show. It's back. We're bringing Mr. Ben Solek on with Danny Kelly or draft experts. We're going to have Craig and I.

And me. I didn't say me either. I said we. Craig will be there. Yeah. Look, what's great about the NFL draft is like, I have as good of a shot of predicting which quarterback is going to be good as any draft expert in the world. So that's what's beautiful about the NFL draft.

We're going to all predict with certainty which quarterbacks are good, which we're all very good at doing. And we're Caleb Williams at a USC, Drake May out of UNC, Jadennynals, a little sprinkle of him. He just won the Heisman for LSU. And if you root for a team who sucks, I don't know, just to hypothetically, if you root for the giants or the Patriots or the Bears, hypothetically. you might not want to miss Wednesday's episode. And we wanted to actually do the draft show earlier, but we couldn't bring Solek on until the Eagles were absolutely humiliated in prime time. So now is the right time.

So check that on Wednesday. But to week 14, have to start with the Sunday football game that just happened. The Cowboys just smacked the Eagles. It was 33 to 13, just a beat down. And I feel like the Niners, San Francisco is so obviously the best team in the NFL to me when they're all healthy. And D.K., the Cowboys are the second. best team in the NFL, right?

Yeah, I think so. I mean, I would have had the Eagles as the second best team coming into this week. So they just absolutely destroyed that team. And the Cowboys were my third top team. So yeah, I would say pretty clearly they are the best team. Second best team, I would say just looking at like their offensive explosiveness, the way that DAC is playing, like they have a run game. They can pass ball all over combined with, you know, some very elite players on defense

and like the ability to create. Turnovers and all that, I think it's just so crucial for them. So, yeah, they're just a really balanced good team. Plus, by the way, they have a really freaking good kicker, which Highfitts absolutely loves. Well, I'm a Giants Finn. I hate that the Cowboys have a good kicker, but I do. Right. I just, when we were younger, like a 60-yard field goal was a big deal. They would cut to it live that they were attempting a 60-yard field goal.

Yeah, it was like Barry Bond's getting ready to break the record every time somebody was setting up to kick a 60-yard field goal. And now he's just hitting him from the logo on the Cowboys Star and this guy's just putting him into the net. and we're like, oh, wow, I'm glad they finally acknowledge it tonight. But it's like he's kicking those things. They look like they could go 70 plus. Yeah. I think that's going to happen soon because it's basically... We're the best long...

I think, what is it? A quarter of all 60-yard field goals ever have been made in the last three years. And then it's also the best year ever for punting. It's like the punts are going as far, but they're being down inside the five, downside the 20 as much as ever. Our buddy Nate Tice pointed that out. It's like, just all these Australians came over from Australian rules football, came over and just started teaching us stuff.

You ever heard of Mars Law? It's like the technological thing. It's like the number of transistors in a chip, like a chip will double every so many years or whatever. It's like exponential growth and like how quickly, how small everything is going to be over time. This is like kicking inverse or something, like where just the kicking is absolutely exponentially better than it was ever before.

And it's only getting better. Don't you mean incrementally? What? No, no. You just said it. It's like all the best kicks have come in like the last several years. Oh, I see you're saying. I got confused because I'm bad at math.

I thought you were saying a 50-yarder, was going to be 100-yarder, it was going to be like 1,000. No, you're saying more and more kicks would be made. That makes way more sense. There was no good kicks for the eternity, and then all of a sudden there's 60-yarders every week. And yet we are kicking field goals less and less in the league

because people are going for more and forth down. So I want to stick with the Cowboys, though. I do actually think the kicking, it's not a total non-sequitur. It's like, they mentioned it in the broad. But one of the biggest issues with Dallas, other than Mike McCarthy's clock management, Dak Prescott throwing pick sixes at bad times and just general like ineptitude was Brett Marr missing all these kicks and just like a feeling that Cowboys special teams like Jason Garrett forever, they had no attention to detail.

And I do actually think that the kicking is low key, a pretty good summary of the Cowboys team that everything we used to make fun of them for, they're really good at now. Like, DAC is clutch. The defense is clutch on defense. Like they've always been able to block and stuff, but the little things like clock management, ball control, possession. And then also the kicking is now strengths. Everywhere it used to be weaknesses.

And now the only thing left to say about the Cowboys is, well, they got their ass kicked by the 49ers. It'll probably be that way again. But the NFC championship game, like in the 80s and 90s, it was like the Niners, the Cowboys, the Giants to a lesser degree. Whoever won the NFC championship game, it was kind of assumed they would go to the Super Bowl and kick the ass of the AFC team.

And I feel like we're back there where I'm like, Niners, Cowboys, whoever wins that championship game, Eagles, if they get there, that team to me is going to win the Super Bowl. The AFC teams feel so inferior to me when I watch these teams play. Well, it's so funny, though, that the three NFC teams feel like the three best teams in the league,

and yet the Niners shalacked both the Eagles and the Cowboys by 30 points. I'm still trying to figure out how the Seahawks kept up with the Cowboys last week. That was weird. Football is weird. It's kind of like Marvel movies where you're like, all the superheroes

can kind of beat each other, and you don't really know why, and then like, but some of them can kick each other's Assing. Right. It's almost like it's actually like a good. That's a pretty good metaphor. I feel like it's like we got to have fights. These fights are going to last like 30 minutes each and, you know, someone will win. But who knows? I also think this solidified the, the DAC versus Jalen Hertz MVP conversation, I think is now over. I think it's Dak Prescott. But I think it's now we've added a third person into the mix. I think Jalen and Hertz has been removed. And I think Brock Purdy has officially slid into the conversation. And now it is Dak Prescott versus Brock Purdy. for the rest of the season. Would you guys agree? I do. So the Fandall sports book, Shadow Fendell, the Fendell Sportsbook odds right now, or Dak Prescott is plus 150, which basically means one and a half to one. You get a buck 50 back, plus your dollar. So Dak is one and a half to one. Bertie's

two to one. Two is eight to one. Jalen Hertz is eight to one. Lamar is eight to one. And then Tyreek is 10 to one. So I don't know how I feel about Tua Hertz and Lamar all being eight to one. If anything, I think Lamar is better. But the, So I actually think that this whole season is very well explained by Bill Simmons wrote a column for Grantland at this point like a decade ago. That was about the NBA MVP. I think it was the 2012 season. And he had this like half-branded idea that I got to tell was really good, which was the MVP award should be different size. Like they shouldn't just vote on the player.

They should vote on the quality of the season like overall. The size of the trophy? Yeah. Like it literally like there's a Stanley Cup that should be a 40-pound thing. And like all the way down to like. Pure platinum gold. And, dude, Bill's best thing is, like, the, some seasons are suck. And, like, it's like, you know the runner up at Wimbledon gets like a silver platter?

And it's like, they hold it and they probably put it down and never look at it again. Yes. And it's like, some seasons just are bad. And like Carson Wentz when he was going to win the MVP and then he got hurt, but it was no one knew who to get it. And they just gave it a Brady because like whatever. That's like a Wimbledon silver platter year. And that's what this is. And I think that that's kind of the issue is we're like, MVP.

but like look at all these legendary MVPs. I'm like, this season is not like other ones and we shouldn't pretend this is equal. And once we get that out of our head, I think it'll be easier for us to digest. Yeah, there needs to be like a score associated with the MVP or something because right now it's kind of past fail. It's like binary.

It's like you either win or you don't. I want like a score out of 100. It's like some MVP's going to have a 78. Some can have a 95. And maybe if Jack or Brock wins this year, it's an 82. We're going to get that too because so forever, you know the whole thing of like, Russell Wilson never got an MVP vote?

It's like because there were no ranked votes. It's like in baseball, I think you list like Heisman, you get 10 MVP votes. Like one to 10 rank them. I think baseball is the same way. And I felt you just got one vote. You're like, who's the MVP? Write one name. And then I think last year they added more votes.

But it didn't matter because I think Mahomes got 48 of the 50 first place votes. So it basically didn't matter. This year there's going to be other ranked votes. So putting Tyree Kill second or sixth and Purdy second or six, the second place votes, it might be the first year that ever decides it, which is also interesting. I just also think it's downstream of the NFL doesn't have enough awards. Oh, so they factor in. So it's ranked choice voting.

Now, they just did that last year, but I could be wrong. I thought you were saying they just rank one through five just to like see what people just see what people's top five. You're saying the actual rankings are involved in the decision. Like for the first time, tallying. Now they are. They were last year too,

but that didn't matter because Mahomes, it was almost unanimous so it didn't matter. But this year, the ranked choice is I was talking to Lindsay Jones about this who's here at the ringer who knows a lot more about this than I do. And she was explaining that this, the ranked choice might actually... That's interesting.

The second versus fifth. It's really weird. It's the thing we don't really think about with MVP because it's brand new. But the Oscars also do that now. Yeah, which probably makes sense. It's like, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's like if 90% of the people pick a movie second,

that should be like a part of this, the movie's case. Like getting a second place vote is almost as important as getting a first place vote out of 10 movies. And then also the other part of this to me is I think that the MVP conversations downstream of there's not enough awards. Like college football, I love that college football has all these other awards. They're the best quarterback, best running back, best receiver, best O line, bestie line. And like that's the end. And also they should have best unit.

Bill Barnwell wrote this column for Granlin. It was like we should have MVU. And like if the Niners, pass catchers could be the most valuable unit, we probably wouldn't be like Brock Purdy is also the MVP. If we could give an award to McCaffrey, Debo, Iuke, George Kittle, and Kyle Eusecheck. I don't know if people would also be like N-P-P-P-M-P, you know what I mean? We have offensive player of the year, that exists, right?

But that's just for the second-best quarterback or a player who set a record who's not a quarterback. I was going to say, that usually, to me, the offensive player of the year usually is sort of like, in voters' minds, like, oh, I'll just give Terry Kill offensive player of the year. Right. Or McAfree.

Instead of, you know, it's like, it's like an also-ran kind of deal. Also, because the offensive player of the year existed in a world where there was one name for MVP. So it's all going to kind of be up for debate now. But anyway, I think the Cowboys will see if, I mean, look, Kyle Shannon, they beat the crap out of the Cowboys and Eagles,

but Kyle Shanahan, the universe will never let him be happy. So I actually think it's going to be really interesting to see who comes out of the NSC, because the Niners, you know, they're Sisyphists. They'll never be thrilled. The NFC is really interesting. I think we have to, the other game of the year that was played this week.

There were four by my count. But the second one. This week. Yeah. Yeah. What a week. Well, I mean, do you want, we should power in?

the games of the year. We'll get to it. But the Patrick Mahomes meltdown, I thought was very telling. So the Chiefs lost to the bills at home. They lost 2017. And the Chiefs basically did score the game-winning touchdown. It was one of the craziest plays I've ever seen. For the best plays all time. It was fucking awesome. Was that a design play? Or was he improvising? No, it was absolutely not designed. I think they practice it at times. It's like something sort of just in Kelsey's wheelhouse. But that wasn't like a hook and ladder. anything like that. Okay.

Part of me thought it was. But it was not. I don't think so. Okay. I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Mahomes hit Kelsey with like a 25-yard catch over the middle. And Kelsey actually dodged a guy and then right as Kelsey is about to be tackled, he just throws the ball, like almost as far as Mahomes did, 25-yard sideways.

It was. 25 yards sideways backward to Cadarius Tony who ran in for a touchdown and probably would have won the game. And then there's a flag called back. Tony was offside. and they called it for him at the snap and they go to the replay and the blue line just coats up Tony's

like entire body. The most Cadarious Tony play in history. It really was. It couldn't happen to anyone else. If he's not on the Chiefs, they're 10 and 3 right now. How much have we been talking about Tony?

And I'm like, is there anything, Dika, you're so right, is there anything more Cadarious Tony then? Doing a play that required such athleticism and creativity, we've literally never seen anything like it. And also, the single worst, dumbest mistake a receiver can make,

which is like lining up on sides. It's like the whole spectrum. So then... Classic, Tony. So the Chiefs didn't recover after the play was called back. They lost the game. Mahomes became just that guy

in half-baked on the side who's screaming at the rest. And it was like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. You're cool. Fuck you. I'm out. He's like hugging Josh Allen. You're cool.

Fuck you. He literally, he was yelling at the rest. on the sideline for like a full minute. My mom texted me. I've never seen Mahomes like this. And I was like, wow, my mom's scolding patch. I have not ever seen Mahomes like this before. And it's because we never seen the cheese like this before.

And he goes to the sideline. And you can read the lips. Josh Allen's like good game. And Mahomes was like, Von Miller was off sides, bro. And like, no, he was saying, I heard the audio. There was an audio of it. He was saying, couldn't, he said something like, I'm paraphrasing a little bit.

But he's like, couldn't believe they called off sides on that play. Absolute bullshit. So it wasn't the- He was complaining to Josh. He was complaining about the Cadarious. or anything. He's like, I've never seen anything like that in my life. So, which, again, I think, well, that kind of cuts to the point of it, which was, he was complaining about it on the sideline to Josh Allen in the press conference. And he said that I've never

seen anything like it in my life. I perhaps may argue, you've never seen it in your life because it's such a basic part of being a receiver that takes someone like Cadarist Tony to screw it up. However, D.K., do you think that Mahomes is right? Because he said in the press conference, he went off and off, and he said, Kelsey's a hallfamer. We had a Hall of Fame game winning play. And the refs kind of interview with the tickey tack foul. Do you, D.K., do you think that Mahomes was right to complain about the refs in the play?

Absolutely. Absolutely. How could I don't understand how anyone could be like, well, technically he had his foot on the offensive, on the line of scrimmage, and therefore, that's one of the greatest fucking plays I've ever seen in my life. This is the reason we watch football. It was so incredible. It was like, it was like inspirational.

Like in the moment, he just jumped up and chucked it to Tony who scored what show. have been the game winning field goal or a touchdown. And then all of a sudden we're like, oh, actually, technically he lined up with one foot on the line. And he didn't check with the ref. And therefore, that play doesn't count. Like, defending that side of it, like, you don't want that play to be in existence because he lined up with one foot on the line of scrimmage. Like, I don't give a fuck that he did that. It didn't have any effect on the play.

It didn't have any effect on him getting where he went on the field. Like, it's so just inane. I look this up. There's been over 24,000 plays. in the NFL this year. And they've called that 11 times. This is like extremely rare. It's stupid.

I don't care about these stupid little procedural technicalities. They should not be a part of it. We're absolutely over-litigating football. This is inane to me. Look, I understand. I agree with DK generally. I understand the irony of all of this. Everybody online is being like, wow,

Patrick Mahomes hates the refs when, you know, of course, they go against him. Meanwhile, in the Super Bowl, they call a tiki-tack hold that essentially seals the game for the chiefs over the Eagles in the Super Bowl last year. And they're like, oh, he's fine with the rest then, but not now. The difference now is that, look, a hold on the field for the receiver that you're targeting is like an active part of the play, right?

It is directly affecting the play. Cadarius, Tony, like, lining up eight inches ahead of where he's supposed to, has zero effect on the game of football. I understand it was technically illegal, visibly if you watch it, he was on the line. It was an infraction. However, it's like how at the end of a basketball game, look, they're not Colin Fowles. You know what I mean? like this is the final two minutes of a fucking football game,

and he's six inches over the line where he's supposed to. It has zero impact on the NFL game on what is about to transpire. And they call this bullshit-ass penalty. Like, it's just, it's so lame. It is so rare now that you can watch a football game, a close football game, where refs are not directly impacting the game. Like, I would say 50% of the time after a close football game,

the number one thing people talk about is some crucial call that the refs made and how it affected the game. It's pissing me off. too many fucking rules. Too many rules. They over litigate all these rules. There's too many rules. There's too many players, I think.

I think here's that I'm at with football. Too much happening. Too many teams. I think there's too many players in the field. I don't think a sport should have 22 players in the field. Go to 7 on 7. It's way too much. Like, the linemen are playing their own sport.

The receivers in the secondary, they're playing another sport. The quarterback's playing his own sport. There's like, there's too much shit going on. I'm dead seeing. You know, You know what size of the basketball? It's like, it's 10 guys and they're all playing the exact same position in basketball. You can see all of them in the frame.

Like, just go get a basketball pod, Craig. There should be no sport where you can't see all the players in the frame. And that is the NFL half the time. By the way, like, I agree, though, just one last thing I want to say. I agree that by as the technical rule, like, he was off sides. But the fact that like, how everyone's saying it was like egregious and like preposterous, how far he was blocking. he was blotting the sun out with his body.

They couldn't see the football. It's like, dude, move your head half a foot. You can fucking see the football. It's so stupid to me that this is a big deal. I frankly, I totally disagree. I think that you guys are honest feelings doing dishonest work. No, I think you have honest feelings doing dishonest work. Like the refs writ large, I actually think the rest did a good job for the first like five weeks of the season.

I think the next five weeks were like a disaster. There have been good. They expedited replay stuff where they don't take five minutes stuff. That's been good. Everything else has been bad. There are so many refereing mistakes. this year. There have been procedural errors. Things you never think about.

Like, there were rules about when to reset the play clock. The refs don't know the fucking rules. The Ravens Rams game, something happened I've never seen, which is like, there are coaches that, like, scoring plays have not been challengeable for a decade. Like, I was in high school the last time you could throw a red flag for a touchdown. And, like, there were embarrassing moments where coaches would, like, do that and forget the rule. Today, the refs announced, Ravens are challenging, like, the rules.

And, like, they had to be told but New York that that hasn't been a thing for 10 years. So, like, I agree. rules. Generally that the ref rings. Way too many rules. Get the refs. Get the government out of my sport. I want a libertarian football. But having said that, no, Mahomes, I'm sorry,

sounded like a total Karen today. Like he was like, I want to complain to the manager. It was embarrassing. And I was embarrassed for him. Because his voice actually makes him sound like a Karen. Yes. And it was, it was an it. It was a giant ick. Mahomes complaining at the press conference.

And it was whinging. It was total winching. And to your point, the James Bradbury foul, I thought, was like such a different thing. And like, I think it's a nice what you're saying in theory, D.K., where you're like, well, it's a cool play. So let, here's the thing, multiple things. One, the flag is, it's off sides. The flag is thrown immediately. It could have been a sack on Mahomes.

Like the flag's thrown, they don't see Kelsey throw to Tony a touchdown. No, no, I know. I get that. So it's like the emotional journey of like the flag thing. It's the first thing that happened to the play was the flag was thrown. That's number one. To me, it's the principal. Let me, hold on.

It's the principle that one of the coolest plays in the NFL this season, and maybe in the last 10 years, honestly, it was such a cool play. I've never seen that. Like, that's happened like a few times. I agree with D.K. It's what this represents about the game we're watching. Can I give you the old turn? No, it's the principle.

Hold on, hold on. One of the best plays in the last, like, decade. This is like the Republican debate right now. It's called back because of a offensive infraction that's happened exactly 11 times over 25,000. plays this year. Yes and no. It's so fucking overwrought and over litigated. Yes and no. Generally speaking, I, DK, agree with you on the rest like 96% of the time. But the flip side is, think about the other 31 teams. Get my government out of football. The Chiefs won the Super Bowl because of the freaking James Bradbury penalty, right? But that's a normal penalty. That's like something

we see all the time. It's an active penalty involved in the play. It was a strong. You know what was not normal? The first game of the season when the Chiefs left tackle, Joanne Taylor, was not lined up properly, eight times in the game, and the NFL had to issue a point of clarification to the entire league

because the Chiefs were purposefully using the rules of splits on being off sides on offense to their own advantage, to the point that the referees had to tell them over and over. The Chiefs, more than any team in the league have been using this and been, like, to their own benefit,

and been told by the league, stop manipulating the line of scrimmage and other teams were complaining to them about it. So, like, one... What does that have to do with anything? You're saying the chiefs deserve this because of what players? You're a different team?

Would you disagree? If anything, high fits, I agree with that one because they're actually gaining an advantage in that way. Like, this had nothing to do with the outcome of the play. But then the flip side, I guess... Get a foot on the line of scrimmage. But you also can hear two different things. When I, when you're like, well,

Mahomes was like, yeah, to your point, 24,000 plays been called 10 times. Mahomes, like, I've been playing for seven years, never heard this. I hear the only NFL player who could line up and not actually get in communication with the ref about that is Cadarius Tony. Like, I'm sorry, but like Cadarious Tony in the Super Bowl lined up wrong on five plays he was on.

He lined up wrong twice. I understand all that. He just was wrong. His head was blocking the goddamn ball. It's a receiver. It never happens because every receiver. His head was blocking the ball. Who gets shit?

In his own press conference said, like, yeah, you learn to do that when you're six years old if you're a receiver. There's a reason it's never called. It's because Tony, frankly, what I think happened is they in their head, Tony and Kelsey were thinking, we're going to do this play that no one's ever tried in a game and it breaks your routine as an athlete. And so they didn't do the normal routine at the line of lining up correctly because they were thinking about other shit. And they lined up wrong.

And the refs called it correctly and not applying it to the chiefs at the end is the problem. Did they say they planned this play? I didn't think it was like a planned thing. I don't think Andy Reid called the play in. Kelsey, in the past. It to me looked like it was premeditated. I think Kelsey and Tony premeditated it. I don't think Andy Reid called up and gave Kelsey permission like,

now's the time, boys. I think that Kelsey told Tony, though, is going to happen. It's like we're not even that far apart from each other, though, because I don't, I don't disagree that only Cadarious Tony could do this. A hundred percent, I agree. He's fucked up and the refs have to do something about it. My point is more just like what Craig is saying. It's like we over litigate the sport.

It's hard to watch. One of the best plays of the week of the year of maybe the last 10 years was eliminated a race because of some stupid technicality. But okay, but should they actually not? First of all, it's worth the Chiefs fans right now are probably screaming because they also didn't go to the AFC championship game, the Patriots, because the Chiefs were called for off sides,

like in the AFC championship game, he lined up in the neutral zone. But like, to my point, I guess what I'm saying is, for like a, like, it's in basketball where it's like, oh, you're going to the rim. Like, yeah, it's like you don't want championships and stuff to be determined by rest. But like, the flip side, this is egregious.

it's not like his foot's on the line. The blue line in this is almost like a little. Like his head is literally on the blue line. His foot is literally on the ball. His little tels are on the line. That's like the camera. I just couldn't do less of a fuck. Yeah.

So should they not call it on purpose? Because even though it's obviously a fact. But that's like a foot in front of the High Fis. Let me get a word in. Let me get a word in. Please. Okay.

Just. Okay. You, we under, I know your point. We go, we know what you're saying. Here's what I. You know, in the NBA when someone's shooting a free throw,

and there's technically the rules about when you're allowed to step in when you're trying to get the rebound, right? When you're lining the paint. It's like, oh, you can't step in until the player releases the ball. Every fucking player steps in before they release the ball and they never call it. But that's technically against the rules. This would be like if they call that in the final minute of a game with a free throw and it completely changes the outcome of the game. And it's like, look, man, everybody does shit like that.

You don't need to call it. Yes, it is an infraction. The Cadarius Tony thing is very specific. It's hilarious. Tony's a moron. I get it. The Chiefs have been cheating this year or gaming the system so they deserve to, you know, be, you know, corrected by the refs. I get all of that. But like, in a vacuum, this is just stupid.

Come on. Like, your gut doesn't tell you that this is stupid. I, look, I understand part of it is funny to me because I don't love Cadarious Tony. But I also think the other part of it's, it's not actually like what you're saying with the free throws. That to me is like, they just agree to stop calling false starts this year. It's like, there are tons of things with the rest. They're like, yeah, we don't call that.

Hail Mary. They're like, yeah, we don't call you. This is more like a player took a rebound after a free throw and just didn't go to the baseline and try to inbound the ball, like something no one does in basketball. Like, oh, they forgot to go out of bounds, inbound it. They just inbounded it while on the court. And they're like, oh, we shouldn't call that. It's the end of the game.

I don't agree with that. This is so fucking, this is so fucking ticky tag. It's something they call like five to ten times a year. A guy stepping over the line a little too early. I mean, look, think about when like the clock runs down to zero. His head's in front of the ball. This weird gray area where like when the clock goes down to zero, the ref has to then look from the clock to the football.

And if it's not snapped yet, then. they'll throw the flag. That's always murky every time they do it, but they often let that go. I just think it's ridiculous. We can move on because we can't talk to this. It's so take you tech. I think in summary, what I'm trying to say is that to your point, Craig, there actually is a precedent to that, which is they look at zero turnaround a thing, which it's actually standardized even as a- Well, like two weeks ago, there was an, I forget the team, there was an egregious clock error where even the announcers were like, oh, yeah, man, they really let that go for like, or no, they called it too quickly.

It just went to zero. They threw the flag And it's like, what I'm trying to say is like, the thing that actually bothers us is the inconsistency. And what I'm saying is to license the refs

to do whatever they want, whenever they want, because the play was cool. Sounds cool in the moment, but in reality, that's what's frustrating. Well, you don't know that the play's going to be cool.

That's my point. That's why you call it when it's egregious. Like, you have to be. Was it egregious? It was fucking too. His head in front of the ball. No, it is fucking barely. Who gives a shit?

This is so stupid to me. This reminds me last year. Hyvitz. Did you recognize it when they were lining up on that play where you like, were you like Cadarius Tony's off sides? Could you see it? Did it immediately hit you in the eyes? And it's not egregious. Honestly, no, I actually was thinking about it.

Like it's because it's the, all right. I like, I don't know, man. I think it's absolutely stupidly tiki tag. It's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. They called this in that situation. Two minutes left in the game. Are you kidding me?

Email us at ringer fantasy football. Gmail.com. I feel like this is a government out of my sport. No, but like truly, Craig, I love that tagline, but truly, like, can we just get the rest to please stop fucking throwing so many flags? Like, I'm serious. I don't want them to throw as many flags. There's too many things that can go wrong.

It's ruining watching the game. One last thing. Does it not bother you to hear to Mahomes being like get out of our sport when it's like, the Chiefs won the fucking Super Bowl because of the Bradbury flag? Yeah, look, I don't actually care about who the team. the lions, if it was the Panthers, I would feel the exact same way. I think, I'll say being a ref is hard. And like, the refs have been wrong a lot, but also they're right a lot.

And someone has to fucking do it. And it is a hard job. And I don't know. It's like standardization is good. I don't know. But like the reps are not standard at all. The refs are a mess. But that's why there's lines on the field.

The lines are painted. They're on the field. They're in front of his family. No, the line of scrimmage isn't painted on every play. That is all these little ones. Correct. Great point, D.K. The line is not, literally not painted on the field.

It's subjective, actually. It is a digital line. By the way, the fucking center goes and grabs the football and sometimes he moves it around like a foot or two. I mean, for a sport where the- Life controls an illusion. No one's in charge at any time. It's just like the spotting, the whole system of spotting is so random. And the refs just like kind of in a split second decide where the ball is going to be.

And yet, Cadarius Tony, six inches over an imaginary line flag. If that. It's like three inches. this problem. Anyway, all right, fine. We got to move on. Well, that's true. And believe me, again, to finish it off, the fact that it was Tony is fucking hilarious. That's like, no one else does this.

Like, no one else has this problem. It had to be Tony. Well, clear, so on the touchdown. Who are the 11 other flags? Huh? Are they all curious, Tony? There's literally dozens of them. Yeah, exactly. All right, wait, we have to move on.

And I'm going to apologize to the bill. I think that's it. No, I think that's the show. I think we're going to wrap. Yeah, no, that's it. All right. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, K. No, we'll keep going.

I will say in addition to bitching about the rest, we have so many other things we can't have nice things. Bills won. Bills won the game. We didn't talk about that. Bills won the game. And I will say, bills. Bills, good team. After all this, I mean, like, let me just say that I wanted the bills to win I was rooting for the bills. And yet I still felt this way, which shows you how strongly I felt about it. But it was a cool play. Just like line up on your side of the fucking ball.

But to your point, the bills now are seven and six. This is a huge win for them. It's the only rule. But that, I just love more rules. Fine. Don't give about that. But the playoffs now, The Ravens You're the one you wish for, Hyphitz. That's all I'm saying. You want more rules

in this fucking sport? I don't even know all the rules. Do you know John Madden? Hyphus is the guy. Teacher, you forgot to assign our homework. Stop. No,

my trick in high school was, if you ever got to a class first like the teacher wasn't there. Because Tony was on the line, Rep. Teacher, teacher.

Oh, my God. Just, I'm just so excited. Oh, my God. Don't get me started. Anyway, so the Ravens are the one scene. Oh,

we got you started. We've now seen what it's like to get you started. Ravens are the one seed. We finished. We didn't start you. Among other weird thing is the chiefs and the Browns have the same record. They're both eight and five. The Joe Flacko led Cleveland Browns are tied with the Mahomes lead chiefs at eight and five.

It's really weird. The bills now are this weird thing where the Browns have the first. There are three wild cards now in the FAC. The Browns have the first one. There are, and this is really weird. There are six different teams that have seven wins in the UFC. Six teams going for two wildcard spots. And the Buffalo Bills led by Josh Allen,

maybe the best team in the AFC, competing with the Russell Wilson Broncos and then four teams of the backup quarterback. The seven and six teams are the Gardner-Minschukults, the Mitchell-Tribisky Steelers, because we can't have nice things. CJ Stroud got concussed today and had negative net yards

at passing yards at halftime in the wind and the rain of the jets. And then Nico Collins has a calf injury. He's out. So even though Tankdale, Stroud, and Nico Collins are like the most fun thing of the year, we lost all three of them in seven days. So now it's the Davis Mills, Texans,

throwing to Robert Woods and Noah Brown, Gardner-Mintech Colts, Trebisky Steelers, and Jake Browning Bengals, versus the Bills with the hardest schedule in the league. And it's like, what is this wild card race? What is this season? I'm so happy the Bills won, because at least they are still alive.

They still have a shot. They have proved once again that they, like, belong in the conversation, right? Like, the Bills are one of the best six teams in the league. And I'm really playing. I'm really praying they make the playoffs. They play Dallas next week. But after that, it's Chargers, New England.

They're probably going to win those two games. So at a minimum, they're going to be, what, 9 and 8, hoping for 10 and 7. But I am happy that they're still alive. Alan had a great first half. Second half is kind of a rock fight. There was weird clock management stuff by McDermott. But, yeah, I mean, like, this kind of confirms what we've been saying all year. Is that, like, if the bills can sneak into the playoffs, I think they have, they are, they are, I am immediately going to bet on them to make the Super Bowl if they're a seven seed.

We're going to hear a lot next week because 30 years ago, the Cowboys beat the Bills in the Super Bowl. And weirdly, you know what the score of the game was. It was 30 to 13, which is what the game the Cowboys played tonight was until they kicked a field goal at the end. But it was 33 to 13, but like it's that I, there are, I think there are a lot of weird parallels. What is the parallels? The Cowboys beat the bills in the Super Bowl like exactly 30 years ago. The Cowboys beat the bills 30 to 13, 30 years ago.

And the score of that game was like what the Cowboys did tonight. Wow. To the Eagles. It was like, 29 minutes. Yes. I don't think that's a correlation. No. All right.

Whatever. Craig is like... That's some cool thing. I just had the Super Bowl. It was 30 to 13 against the Eagles until they scored more and that's the same score as the game

against a different team 30 years ago. I don't know. Well, you want more rules? I don't know. I was trying to do less. It seems simple. You know what I was thinking of

when I was watching the Jets game? The Jets Texans game? So obviously I understand that it was like bad weather and the Jets defense is good. But like to me like that game was such a perfect representation of like, you know the expression,

Jimmy's and Joe's versus X's knows. And it's like, who is more responsible for the success of a team, like the players or the schemes and the coaching or whatever? To me, this was like, okay, it's players because, holy shit, Texans receivers outside of Tank Dell and Nico Collins can't catch a fucking pass. Like, it was insane. I thought.

I was out too, the starting tight end. Yeah, they were down their top three guys. Yeah, they're down like all their, like, top skill players. And even though we didn't have like the super high. opinion of these guys coming into the season. I think they've proven over the year that they are difference makers, offense elevators, and, you know, obviously Stroud is that, but like Tankdale and Nico Collins are that for sure. And then, man, this offense, like, could not do anything. Every time pass hit a receiver in the hands, he dropped it, like John Mechie had a couple drops.

I think No Brown had a drop. It's just like the ugliest offense I've ever seen. It was just like so, it was just hard to watch that. So Craig's dumbest and smartest point that's ever been said about weather games, which is that you really can't see Ray on TV. That's pretty weird. Like, it was raining in this game. It didn't look that bad. It was fine. It was, no. It was pouring and you could only tell when they switched the camera. I was like, I literally saw the same John Metchie drop and I'm like, maybe because it's pouring in like 30 miles now. That certainly has a, yeah, it certainly has an effect in that.

But like, there was other games where guys in the same game though. Zach Wilson 300 yards, two touchdowns, no picks. Sure. So he just brings the ball to Garrett, to Brise Hall. and that he, well, my secretary does that. It was an outlier day for the backups, wouldn't you say? Jake Browning, Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco, all these guys, at the top of the charts and the fantasy scoring this week, Joe Flacco had like a top 10 game of his career today, you could argue.

I went back and looked at his game log of his entire career. This is like fringe top 10 for Flacco, like 300 and three touchdowns. How old is he like 38 or something? Yeah, he's 38. He's the same age as Josh Johnson, which I don't know. It's just weird. I don't know why.

But it is, yeah, the top quarterbacks today were Lamar Jackson, Desmond of Ritter, Justin Fields, Jake Browning, Stafford,

Pardty, Billy Zappi, Trubisky, Alan Flacco. Like, what the, are you kidding me? You know,

Mitch Trubiskey had more fantasy points than Kenny Pickett ever has on Thursday night. Oh my. And they lost, and he scored 18 points. So bad. There's like so many great stats

about Kenny Pickett. Sorry, Craig. But it's like, no, they truly are. How many, How many games in his career does he have two passing touchdowns?

It's like one or zero maybe. I saw my brother send me this today. Games with 250 passing yards and two plus touchdown passes. Kenny Pickett, zero, Joe Flacco in the last two weeks, two. Dude, Tommy DeVito has one of those. Oh, my God. I think there's a bunch of Davido versus Daniel Jones wants to. What do we make of the backup stuff?

Because also the backup quarter, because also we also meant to say, Justin Herbert to the Chargers. He freaking broke, I guess he broke the right index finger on his throwing hand right before halftime. I don't, that doesn't sound good. Maybe he's back next week.

Maybe it doesn't come back at all. It's like the Chargers season seems over. So I don't think he might not come back. We got Easton Stick, which sounds like a lacrosse stick you could buy an East Bay magazine or a baseball bat I had when I was 11. Easton Stick is like just playing quarterback for the charges. There were 30 teams that played this week.

30. 10 of the teams, literally one in three teams as a backup quarterback and one of them is Easton Stick. God, this is like a nightmare season with quarterbacks, for real. The list, the list is just wild. Did you have an Easton, did you have a bat? I was between the D. Marini and the Easton Stick, but I ended up going with the D. Morini. But I heard the things about the Eastern Stick.

Are you one of those guys that shows up with like the bat bag with like multiple bats? No, that was never me. I was one bad kind of guy. Each bat was like 500 bucks. Those kids always were like the Adam Duns, where they just like roped dingers or struck out and cried. Wait, so we were talking about Justin Fields today because I feel in my head, I think of Justin Fields as a backup now because we're all,

we've just spent like two months talking about. We're assuming he's going to be. Yeah, we've talked to two months talking about how they're going to draft a quarterback. So in my head, I'm like Justin Fields also is playing for his next job, just like all these other backups. And he played so well today. And we were talking about Fields, I don't know if we've lowered our expectations, but he's scrambling.

He's like playing faster. like his last five games, I feel like I've been four of the best starts of his career. And Craig, you texted the perfect thing about fields. Well, because he had a couple of throws where you're like, my God, that was incredible. And he had a couple of runs. You're just like, Jesus, this guy is like, there are moments where this guy is truly like remarkable. And he reminds me of like, like, I have a friend who's like incredibly athletic, D1 athlete, like truly extremely athletic, 10 times more athletic than me and any of my friends.

And yet he sucks at golf and he's way working. than all of us at golf. He's like too athletic to play golf, which is kind of a thing. And every once in a while, though, when we're out there with him, he'll just connect with the five iron and hit it like 250 yards.

And then we're all like, holy fuck, if this guy could ever harness that, like, he would be so much better than all of us. But he's like literally like too raw and athletic to play golf. That's how I think about Justin Fields.

My friend Jackson, like literally was that kid with the bats and he played baseball and he played baseball in college. And, you know, he wasn't going to like, he would have gone, of coach had put him in. But like he also just got in a

golf and like he just, you know, it's like his backswinds like golf, golf, golf, golf, baseball. And he follows through and he's wicked slice. But every now, yeah, he has the 320 yard drive. And I'm like, yep, that is exactly what it's like watching Justin Fields. I'm like, dude, you ever put this together? You're going to be the MVP every single season.

But because the Bears won. The Bears beat the Lions by two touchdowns and kind of crushed him. I don't know if science will support this necessarily, but like there's times where I see Justin Fields on the field and I'm like, he's the fastest player in the NFL not named Terry Kill. Like he is so fucking fast.

There's like his like his acceleration and explosiveness, he'd just like take off and no one can get even remotely close to him. He's like Rondale Moore Ant Man. The other thing is I'm worried about this guy. Like I think I'm with you guys. I think there's times where I'm like, okay, I can really see how this guy could become a star in the NFL. He can really rip a downfield pass.

Like he had a one throw. to Darnell Mooney this today that was like through like three defenders' hands and then Darnell Mooney somehow caught it. I don't even know how the fuck he caught it. But it was like the most improbable pass I've ever seen he caught it for a first down. And he can do that kind of stuff.

But also he gets absolutely clobbered in every game like five times. I'm like, you know, okay, here's a thing that happens to me every single game because I'm so afraid of injuries. Like, you know how like a quarterback or whoever will get hit and he won't really move? when he's down and then the camera will go to like some highlight or go to defenders celebrating.

They need to linger on the player. I need to know what happened. Is he alive? Like is he still there? Like, D.K., I feel like I've become like a body language doctor being able to like analyze the like three frames right before they cut away when he's just starting to get back up. Like I feel like that is now the moment of time where we have to decide is he hurt or not. It's like, Josh Jacobs was starting to get up a little weird, I think. And now I'm assuming he's hurt. I'm like looking for reactions in the crowd and stuff. Like are, they like worried? Do they, because like,

I look for him to cross the frame, like, running back into the huddle when they cut away, you know? Yeah. Anyways, there's like six of those every game with Justin Fields, I feel like. So I'm just like, dude needs to figure out how to like not get clobbered every game. But other than that, I'm actually pretty optimistic about him going forward,

even though he might not be with the Bears anymore. I do the same thing with players, but I think I'm pretty bad at it, which is like where I figured out that it's bad, looks bad. He's fine. He's fine. Looks bad.

But the, because that wasn't just quarterback injuries today. it's Justin Jefferson instant sadness. Like, Justin Jefferson, two months in injured reserve, comes back to save the day, two catches, and then Josh Dobbs literally throws him a hospital ball and literally like Justin Jefferson, how to go to the hospital. He went to the hospital.

And I was like, oh, don't worry, just got the wind knocked out of him. He'll be back. And then I was like, oh, he's going to the tent. That's weird. It's going to the sideline. That's weird. Go to the locker. And then he like, went to hospital.

I'm like, we're never going to see that guy again. It's not getting any better. And it was like 100 yards shy of the most yards ever through four seasons, even though he's played four games, five, six games this year. And that was so deflating because there were so many good players just downstream of the 10 backup quarterbacks and all the random players didn't play well, the weather, the wind, and the East Coast and the Great Lake areas.

But like Jefferson, something about Jefferson being, like, I don't want to, like, the other people have kind of mad at. Jefferson, it's more just defeating, honestly, to wait two months for this guy and, like, you hang on. You're like, all right, going to make the playoffs now. And then it comes back and just, just immediately just, I'm like, oh, that was for nothing. It's like, you know the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark

when Indiana Jones is going up against that guy in like Morocco, I think, and the guy's doing like all the swords and like all the flamboyants. I'm like, ooh, Justin Jefferson. And then Josh Jobs just pulled out his pistol and just shoots him. And you're like, well, all right. Dude, I know.

It's just like. Absolute hospital hall, by the way, by Dobbs. Just like two feet too high, right over the middle. It just crunches his ribs. Don's got benched, by the way. Jesus Christ. And it's zero to zero game. We have to talk about this game.

This game was zero to zero until the very end. This is a debacle. I don't say this lightly. This game, this zero to zero game through 59 minutes, was an abomination. It set football back 20 years. Yeah, it was like watching a scrimmage. I was trying to think, I was like, is this the worst possible fan experience that you could have? Like, the Raiders fan on this day, they paid money to go to this game.

They went to watch their favorite team in person, home game, their team scores zero points for the entire game and loses by three in the lowest possible scoring game that you could see. Like, I can't imagine a worse experience. Off of, sure, off of a buy. They had time to prepare.

I thought I had seen the lowest of the low end games. I watched a six to six overtime tie between the Seahawks and Cardinals a few years ago. And were both kickers, this was in 2016, both kickers missed like shipshot winning field goal.

in overtime, and the game ended in a six-to-six tie. It was the most disgusting game I've ever seen. This one was worse, by far. You know, like, when a high school basketball coach, like, when the season first starts and they're first practicing and he makes the team practice without a ball for, like, the first seven days? Like, that's what it felt like watching this game. It's like, all right, you're not allowed to score.

This is just practice. This is all back fundamentals. Yeah. We're going to live the 50-yard line, we're just going to punt back and forth. We're going to start. We're going to learn the 101. So this is where, this is the. This is where you live.

You have to line up on. The Will Smith teaching, teaching dancing. This is where you live right here. Stay in the strike soon. Q-tip. Q-tip throw it away. We're not doing that. Slaps him.

That's ironic. I didn't even realize the slap in that movie. Art imitates life. Oh, wow. So we got. Wow, good call, D.K. We got a lot of tweets, obviously. Our new thing is like,

for some reason now, anytime anybody mentions a football team before 1960, that's kind of our wheelhouse now. So somebody tweeted us the last time the game was zero zero with 59 minutes left, and it was the 1943 battle between the lions and the giants.

Hyvis's Giants, in 1943, the game ended zero zero. And I went through the box score to just kind of like check out some of the stats, some of the names. So on the Giants, the New York Giants, their quarterback, Tuffy Lehman's, led the Giants. His name is Tuffy.

T-U-F-F-Y. Tuffy L-E-M made the team. T-U-F-F-Y, not T-O-U-G-H-I-E. Tuffy. Tuffy had, he completed one pass for three yards in this game. One pass? These names increasingly sound like the fake tweet, a Shoahe Otani, is past, like, tungsten arm, O'Doyle.

We're getting closer and closer. Tuffy Lehman's had a three-yard pass. That was the highlight of the day. He completed that pass to Will Wals. Billy Wals? Billy Fetz? Why in God's name, would he not go by William Walls, Bill Walls, Billy Wals? Will Wals is the worst combo he could go by.

They used to shorten first and last names back in the day. Like you could nickname your first end last name. What are you thinking is William Wallace and then it's called Will Wals? Meanwhile, the lions on their side of the ball, their quarterback, Harry Hop, again, led the game. Shorten the last name and first thing. The alliteration. Harry Hop led the team, led the game with 24 passing yards.

Four different lions attempted passes. That's like on a monopoeia. 24 yards. Yeah, four different lions attempted passes, including Frankie Sinkwitch, who went 0 for four. Frankie Sinks. What is going on in the same? Frankie Sinks. And then some other highlights.

Like Freddy Kitchens. The longest play of the game was by a guy, I think we've mentioned before, a 19-yard run longest play of the game by Ward Cuff. And also back then, defensive stats, there basically weren't defensive stats unless you like returned to kick or scored a touchdown or had a pick.

So there was only one defensive stat in the game and it was an interception by Mel Hine. They didn't have enough people to keep stats, Craig. Just one stat. It was a pick by Mel. Well, this was 1943. I think everyone could keep stats was like fighting the Nazis

Why did every single name have four letters in it? Maybe it was zero, zero because all these kids were 14 because everyone in fighting age was like storming the beaches. Harry Hop, Will Walls, Mel Hine, Ward Cuff.

Frankie Sinkwich? Dude, this is not real. What a game now. What a game though. Just an all-timer. Tufti. November 7th, 1943. Oh, my God.

Guess 17,000 people were in attendance at that game. Do you know they actually scored a game-winning touchdown at the end on a lateral, but it turns out Frankie Sink, which was off-sides. He was, yeah, he was standing on the all-time blunders by the refs. Frankie Sink is the Cadarious Tony of the 40s. Frankie Sinks. And they ate, oh no, what's his name? The court, not Chloe Spock's.

The next one. that we did. Oh, milk plum. Milk plum. Also wore 15 for the giants. Another guy with four letters in each name, exactly. Look,

they made something. All right. They were four letters. They had places to be. God forbid you had fucking two syllables in your name. Oh my God. All right. Anyway,

I don't know. To come back to 2023 here, but the... You're right, though, Dek. Everyone's name was like, Pork Wells. Ward Cuff.

I couldn't be fudson around with all kinds of letters and syllables. Oh, God. All right. We got to go through it because this was week 14. This is like the last week of the fantasy regular season. And either you didn't make it or you didn't whatever. People need wins here. You've got to get a buy whatever.

And it's like, it's an important week. A couple players absolutely murdered your season. And I don't actually want to toss in injuries. Like it sucks. Nico Collins got hurt. Stroud. I mean, they weren't good before, but it's weather. Stroud got hurt,

Nico Collins got hurt, Herbert got hurt, Jefferson. That's not of who we're talking about. We're talking about guys who were just bad. And whether fair or not with our loser fantasy football game,

we have feelings too. We can be mad at Frankie Synch, which, and some of these guys just absolutely murdered or something. Harry Hop. Yeah, Harry Hopped. Just keep just so making them up. Strutney.

Chalk horns. Just so you can just say anything. Oh my God. I'm losing my voice. All right. So, D.K., you want to take us through some of these guys? Because there's more, frankly, than I can count. Guys who just kind of murdered our seasons today.

We'll start out with Gabe, Dave, who, I mean, you probably deserves it if you were playing this guy at this point. Because in three of the last five games, he scored exactly zero points. So, including today, zero points, two targets, no catches, no yards, and zero. touchdowns. Anyway, so that was not great, but you probably should have been starting him in the first place since he's in our Burnbook. Let's go to someone more interesting.

Zach Moss. To me, the Moss thing is all about expectations versus reality. It's been brutal since Tayloring down. This is like the meme. It's like, but his usage was elite. I scream as I slowly shrink into

a corn cob or whatever that meme is. He like, he's getting exactly what every fantasy person wants as like a running He's got like 90% snaps, like 20 plus touches. He's getting all the targets in the game. He's getting all the goal line looks. And so he had 17 touches and 7.6 points this week.

And then last week, 94% snaps, 21 touches. All the goal to go stuff, all the third down stuff, six points. It's like. Yeah, positive regression doesn't matter when you didn't make the playoffs. He also had a long touchdown called back by a hole today too, which just makes it even worse. All sides. Yeah. The,

just stop calling. At least I can, at least I can, at least it was a hole. Thank Christ. No, I think that. If it was like week three,

we'd be like, wow, Zach Moss by low because you have like three more months. But like when you have Zach Moss for two games samples with the Billy B

my shit doesn't work in the playoffs. And it's like, yeah, well. Moving through the lions, all the lions did not help you. Amund Ra had the worst game of the season. Three six,

three point six points. Laporta. I mean, he had a really sick catch, but he didn't do anything for fantasy at four points. David Montgomery, 10 points. Gough was terrible.

The whole team, they're like a family of murderers. I was, I looked up, I was like, what movie, what horror movie is about a family of murderers? Oh, is that right? Dude, I hated that, I never, I don't like scary movies. The Hills have eyes, even the commercials freaked me out for the Hills of them. Texas Chainside Masker, isn't that a family of cannibals? I don't know. I've never seen it.

I looked at the plot. I would never watch that movie. Oh, I can't do horror movies. I'm not into horse. You couldn't pay me to watch Texas Chainsaw Masker. Oh, shit. What was the movie with Justin Long when he first started out in his career?

And it was like, jeepers, jeepers creepers. Did you guys ever see that? Oh, no, I've never seen Jeans. Oh, that shit. The first, like, I don't know, 60 minutes of that movie is like the scariest movie I've ever seen. It gets weird in the end. Not going to lie.

Like, I don't know if they really landed the plane. But fucking scary start to that movie. Anyway, Mike Evans. Look, incredible season. Hall of Fame. He may have booked his ticket to the Hall of Fame, 10 straight years of 1,000 yards. Everything that he's done this year has been absolutely incredible.

One catch today. One catch. He's the wide receiver 85 so far. By the way, there's two games left. So that's probably going to go up. Alex Erickson. He knows a lot of Harry Potter, though. Alex Erickson outscored him.

Do you know what team he's on? Could you guess? The Bengals? No. Wait, maybe. I don't actually know. I think he's on the Chargers, but that could be wrong.

Wait, what team is he on? This is, I'm being serious. He's on the Chargers. But he was on the Bengals. It was like one of those things where I'm like, wait, you might be right. I don't actually know. He was on the Bengals for five seasons.

All right, I'll take it off. That's a W for me. Anyway, V-Lis Jones. I scored him. David Moore. who is also, I learned today is on the Buccaneers, outscored him. I'm so stubborn and vindictive about fantasy.

Like, I'm willing, like, my take that, like, I don't want a wide receiver with a shitty quarterback. I literally ate my own words for, what, 13 weeks with this Mike Evans Baker Mayfield situation. But it all came back to Craig today. Like, it is literally moments like this, and I'm like, that just doesn't happen. If you have, I don't know,

Keenan Allen and a healthy Justin Herbert, like, it won't happen. He won't have one catch for eight yards. Craig, all these NBA seasons are bleeding together for me. But the whatever, what was that? I don't remember which year at one point. Remember there's a Heat Celtic series where Jimmy Butler like pulled up for like the game winning.

I think it was a Game 7 series winning three. I think that was two years ago, yeah. And he bricked it. And it was like, Jimmy Butler was the entire reason the heat almost went to the NBA finals. And it was like he was just incredible. And he just missed the shot and probably should have like gone to the rim or whatever it was.

And you're like, and that's how I feel about Mike Evans. We're like, you know what? You're the reason. that I'm here. And damn, you just brick that. That sucks. I don't know what to say.

He's just going to eat that. If anything, though, I think it does lock in one just like immutable fact that he will score 50 points in week 18. Week 18, King, Mike Evan.

Dude, I would say a lot of receivers that helped you get here were awful. Like, just did, the ghosted you. Like,

they just didn't show up. Like, Jamar Chase, Stefan Diggs. Diggs, Diggs quietly has been like, It's been bad. In that Diggs, I'm not going to lie.

Like, remember, even just a month ago, we were kind of joking, Craig, you made a good point when Diggs was like, I want the ball more. And Trevon Diggs, his brother in the Cowboys was like, he wants him on the ball more. And Craig's like, Stefan Diggs leads the NFL and targets. Like, what are you talking about? I will say, though, for fantasy, Stefan Diggs, last week he had 74 to the touchdown. Before that, 27 yards, 34, 86 in the touchdown. And then.

Ghosted. Like, what did he have today? He only, oh my God. 24 yards. Yeah, I was going to say, I pulled up the top 50 guys and he didn't load. And 11 targets and what was it? How many yards? Four catches for 24 yards.

He dropped a couple passes. Dude, that's, that's an Elijah Moore-ass stat line. 11 targets, four catches, 24 yards? That's like. The macros on that stat line are horrific. That is all carbs and sugar, no protein. Oh, my God. But yeah.

So, and then Josh Jacobs, he got Harrison. But he had 15 touches for six points. But he didn't really get you there. But it's just a brutal. And that game was an absolute dumpster fire. It was a game of the year, Raiders, Vikings, if you think about it. It really was. I mean, when I look back on this season, there's a shot that that is the first game I think of.

I can't wait for the fantasy we're watching this year. All right. So with that said, we have to do the burn book, which this feels like an extravagance of sorts because in a way, the burn book is really for people who didn't make the playoffs. So the way that this is just absolute peak. You guys have somebody? I have somebody that we didn't mention today.

I got someone. As a murder, even though they were a murderer, because they played in the Sunday night game. So we didn't really think to add them, but I think they should be included. Who are you thinking? DeAndre Swift. Ooh.

DeAndre Swift last three weeks, three points, three points, eight points. And then he had 18. A week before that, he had eight. So four of his last five games, he's at eight points or less. I mean, he's been a disaster from where he was to start the season. And you're still starting him every week.

Yeah, you have to. And it's tough because, like, it's not his fault. I actually would argue it's the Eagles just have just fallen behind in the first half for like literally six games in a row. And so he just got, he was game scripting his way into it when they were winning. And then he just immediately got game scripted out with no interruption. Like literally, I think it's six first halves in a row. And for how talented he is as a pass catcher, they're not really using him like that. I mean, he had 13 rushing yards against the Niners.

but they weren't thrown him either. He had two catches for seven yards. Like he has two catches, one catch. He had zero catches today. Is this related to Hertz being injured? I think it's everything. I think it's Hertz not being healthy as we talked about.

Hertz looking 31 years old instead of 26 or whatever he is and having any injury. And also Dallas Goddard, I know he's back now, but Dallas Goddard being out. The offensive line is not being physical. And also, frankly, like Swift probably isn't

the most downhill runner, but like the Eagles were opening such big holes, but they started playing better defenses. Like, the Eagles were, I mean, Swift was crushing it against the Jets is good, but otherwise it's like Washington, the Rams Jets, to find dolphins, Washington. Then they played the Cowboys, the Chiefs, who have a great defense, the Bills,

the Niners, and the Cowboys again. It's always funny to me how every year, and this is not necessarily Swift-related, but just in general. Usually it's quarterback-related. So the NFL season is so sensitive to schedule quirks, like just if you have a really, really tough schedule. And the narratives are, like, they don't take into account usually, or not enough that you're, like, playing some of the hardest teams.

And so, like, these fan bases are freaking out about their quarterback. Oh, he's in a slump, blah, blah, whatever. He's, like, sucks. He's not going to be the answer for the future or whatever. It's like, no, they're just played. They just played four really hard defenses. Like, it's going to be worse. Like, the offense is going to look worse against really good defenses.

That's how this shit works. Anyways, I, that's an aside. But I just think it's so every year we do this, even though it's just kind of like, teams are at the mercy of their schedule. Most of the time, I totally agree to K. It's like, usually things are not as bad or, good as they seem. Right. A hundred percent. Yeah. That's that's more succinct. Thank you for that. Life. Sure. I think the audience was a good burn. I also think we could just burn Jerry Judy.

I'm a hundred percent. I just think Jerry Judy. I'm in. You're probably not playing him. I don't even care. He just deserves it. Like we can't leave this year and like look back for history and not have Jerry Judy burned. Okay. Can we do both? Let's do both. Yeah. No, it's fine. It's like a volcano. Just throw people in. Whatever. It's week 14. It's like the sinkhole and this is the end. Just everyone's going. it. Too bad. Too late for you, Judy. You're already in the hole. Jerry Judy, 121 air yards today. 2.6 fantasy points. Jerry Judy dropped the easiest bass that went far. There was just no one near him whatsoever. And then he also caught one where he was like the most leisurely like I've never, I feel like every receiver now practices the two feet into toe drag.

It's like there's so much better like kickers. There's so much better at it now. Like, it used to be, like, great receivers could do it now. Every receiver. Jerry Judy just, like, forgot. Like, he was so far from the sideline. And it was like he tried to get only one foot in. It was impressive. Hyphids, you were exactly on point on this.

Like, nobody has more laxadaisical careless drops than Jerry Judy. I swear to God. It's like, it's like, it bugs me. Well, no, but his are more just like, he's chaotic. You know what I mean? Like, when Tony drops it, I'm like, well, that's because he has terrible fundamentals. Yeah. Tony is your friend that's really.

fun to hang out with for one night, but God forbid if you have to spend two days in a row with them. Like, he's like, you would never want to share a hotel room with him on a trip. I'll go to the first bar with you in the second, but we are not going to the third bar together. I don't want to go to dinner with you, but we can go out after and have drinks. Yeah, but Jerry Judy is like, man, he'll like have these really terrible drops and then like not even break stride and just run back to the huddle and like nothing happened. Like there's no sense of frustration.

It's gaslighting. Do you know that you dropped it? Like, are you aware that you made a really bad play there? That's like Derek Carr, checking down or fourth down and then jogging off the field. Just like confident as can be. Yeah. Gotta get back. Oh, God.

Check the day is so crazy. Did he see Derek Carr got screamed at by his center today after us? Everybody hates Derek Carr. I have to say, we should create a hall of fame. Dude, everybody hates Derek. We should create a Hall of Fame. I'm fascinated. It's so rare.

I'm fascinated with quarterbacks who are hated by their teammates. Like in the moment. Like obviously years later when people retire, people have feelings. Like Russ at the end of the Seahawks thing? Russ at the end of the Seahawks were all his former teammates were like, fuck that guy. And like, so much that when he went to the Broncos and played the Seahawks Week 2, all the flying people in. They were flying people in.

They had a reunion to come back and hate watch this guy in person. Like people had spoken in years came back to players. The hate Russ reunion. It's like Carson Wentz, all the Eagles hated him while he was there. It's like even Rothesberger, they kind of waited, like, only let one guy leak at a time. And Derek Carr is like on that pantheon now with the, with Wentz and Russ of like just the guy. They hate him. They're tweeting about him while they're during the season.

During the game. During the game. It's like the receivers want the ball. You see the center scream at a quarterback after a. Zach? You know how they say, like, if you're the one friend in the group that's like, funny, like, we don't have a guy in the group that everybody makes fun of. You're that guy. I feel like Derek Carr, if you asked him, he'd be like, yeah, we're actually like, we don't hate anybody on the roster. Like, we're all super close. And it's like, yeah, buddy,

that means it's true. It's so good. Oh, yeah. That's right. I, oh. Okay. I hate that guy. Yeah, buddy. All right. A couple of things button up here that, yeah, the back of, it's just weird. We don't have to elaborate. I want to, I'll just shout out Evan Engerman and Joku, David and their top two tens this week. They both had over 90 yards. They both have two touchdowns. Everdingham's really popping right now. If you held onto him and I've been starting him, like, it's really paying off. They're like the guys, if you didn't want Kelsey or Hockinson or Kittle or Mark Andrews, you got them because you didn't want to like live the life of streaming.

And Joe, they're both first run picks in 2017 that didn't really pan out immediately, but are both obviously talented and kind of like had their career real last year. And then this week against each other, both at over 90 yards, two touchdowns. And weirdly, they both had the second best game of their career in fantasy. And so, and their top two tens this week. So shout out to them and everyone who has them, you feel good about it. I want to give a quick shout out to Drake London for really propelling all those 11th place teams to wins this week. Drake London doesn't care about wins, D.K., okay?

And cowpins. Actually, he didn't actually do that. I lied. I'm exaggerating because he was on the bench of those 11th place teams this week. That's right. He didn't even get played. No, he brought orange slices, though, to the game. Drake London, you know the name of the guy,

You know the meme of the guy who's like shaking the champagne bottle and then like sprays it everywhere and then bites the metal and then they zoom out. He's like in eighth place. Yeah. Yeah. I love that our thing is old, old weird names from the 1940s and explaining memes on a podcast. I think that's most podcasts now. I'm pretty sure in 2023. I saw a meme the other day that was like my relationship with my wife is we DM memes back and forth to each other all day.

but at dinner we take a break from our phones and just explain the memes to each other. I think about Drake London. He made one of the best catches I've seen all year today. Some deep ball, some acrobatic, beautiful catch. He might be like fucking Mike Evans and we'll just never have any idea

because he's on the stupid Falcons. I'm pretty sure. You know, Frank, like, and Falcons. What if London and Peasian and Pitts are just as good as, like, Demo and Kittle and I, you can we just have, we'll never find out.

Oh, that's funny. They are just the Niners. They're just, we don't think about them. Geez, for the love of God, don't re-sign in Atlanta, please. And then, yeah, this is probably the best game of the day. We're doing it last. But the Ravens Rams, I just want to shout out this backup punt returner who returned the game winning walkoff touchdown. That was cool.

Tyler Wallace, baby. I just want to shout out this guy because they interviewed him after and he was like, yeah, I was thrilled. I did that because I was having a really bad game on special teams before that. I was like, that's so funny. That's great. Also, Adele Beckham, Craig, you text. I screenshot at this. You text it at 1.45 or whatever.

you're like, O'Dell's kind of back. He's back a little bit. He's, I think I say he's like, he's back a little. You know? It's like,

he's not the same guy, but he's, he's, you know, he can turn it on. He picks his spots. He'll have like the most incredible catch and run, and then he'll drop like an easy one.

He's the friend who was like really fun and then like incredibly washed and you're like, oh my God, are they fun again? Yeah. Like, A little bit? He got a divorce. He's just been frisky.

It's nice to see. I really did think it was over for him. He's like 30 years. old. He's had like nine knee injuries, so it's nice to see him actually, like, healthy and playing. And then on the other side of the ball, I got to say, just a quick shout out to my boy, Sean McVeigh, who's just in his

fucking back, dude. No one's really talking about it. The Rams are hanging around sniffing. They're good. Yeah, I like the playoffs. Another good team that's like 500. Stafford and McVeigh are just like still killing it. Like, when Stafford is like even 75% healthy and

Cooper Cup and Pooka and Kua can at least be on the field, even if they're not healthy, like the team is putting up numbers. They put up 36 against the Browns. They put up 31 against the Ravens today. Everyone's hurt. It seems like the entire team has like broken ribs or fingers. And yet they're like,

they're like beat up old like boxers that just can still just know like techniques and they can take a punch. Stafford is so fucking good. Stephen Ruiz, who has great quarterback rankings at the NFL rankings that's 3.com. And he's, you know, he's kind of a pitch for it. he refuses to give him to the Brock Purdy cult. But he took a lot of shit for having Stafford top seven.

I watched today, I was like, I don't know if that's high enough. Like, Sean McVeigh, who said that when they made the Rams trade for Stafford, it was half to get Stafford and have to make sure that Kyle Shanahan in the division did not get Stafford. And I remember watching today and thinking, Jesus, can you imagine Stafford in the 49ers offense? No matter how good you think Purdy is like Matt Stafford? Can the Niners be any better? I mean, Brock Pretty might win the MVP.

I don't even, how can it get better? They're 10 and 3. They could be 13 and 0. I guess that's right. I guess that's true. They could literally have won the games they lost, Craig. Well, Tread Williams is out. That's why they lost.

And they missed a field goal. They should be beloved to. Everyone forgets that when party started and when they went undefeated, it was just also when McCaffrey arrived and no one talks about it because he's the only running back that has the influence.

But whatever. Stafford is legit, like unreal. And I think he's probably better than every quarterback in the NFL except five. Yeah. And also, Puka had an incredible catch today. Cup had an amazing catch today. if this team gets healthy by the playoffs,

they're another really frisky wildcard team that I would not want to play. Also, you know, I think the crazy thing about coaching, too, is like McVeigh had this unbelievable game, like the Ravens' defense is so good, and the Rams had this incredible game plan and they scored so many on the Ravens and probably the worst or the best performance teams

had against the Ravens. And then the Rams kind of blew it at the end, frankly, because Sean McVeigh didn't get these play calls in time and they took a delay game on third and four that made 309, they lost. And it's so funny to me, and the most basic of all things were like, why don't they do this?

Why don't they do this? And I'm like, I think the hardest part for us to actually understand about football is it's not just about knowing all this stuff. It's if Sean McVeigh gets the play call in in like 10 seconds instead of eight, they're going to like have a delay of game. Like, you know what I mean? Like it takes like five seconds to read it. And it's like you have four to four to five seconds to think of the play. Well, did you hear they were having headset issues late in the game? There was like the radio wasn't working.

Those are always sketchy. It's always weird when that happens late. it's weird. Are you saying you don't believe it? Are you saying like maybe the, there's a little Tom Fulery here? There's fuckery of foot. Even Joe,

I mean, Joe Judge blamed that it, which was hilarious because he was terrible at his job, but the, I'll say, the Patriots headsets in their stadium are known for going out

on critical third downs late in games. That's it. That's tough. I mean, DK's always had to think about Bluetooth, so. Dude, that was really,

yeah, dude, people probably haven't heard that, DK. You still hate Bluetooth? Oh, absolutely. To be clear, I don't hate Bluetooth.

I think it's an amazing technology that you don't have to have cords. What I hate is that it hasn't, they haven't improved the technology in like the last 15 years. And it's still like flips from different devices and shit. It's like really like annoying. But it's a great technology in like principle. If I offered you guys a billion dollars, could you explain what Bluetooth is? Yeah, it's radio waves. It's radio waves?

Yeah. But right I don't have a billion dollars. but is it really? I mean, that's like the really, really generic. Let's look it up. Let's look at Bluetooth. Oh, yeah, it's just ultra-frequency. All right.

Last time we talked about Bluetooth, it was like a bunch of people texted us saying or message us saying it was named after like some Norse king back in the day. Oh, yeah, it was a Norse king. I don't know, whatever. Anyways, I hate Bluetooth. I like the concept of Bluetooth. I don't like the application of Bluetooth. Bluetooth. It's fucking annoying. Fix it. Can I just say it doesn't matter if I took a million

classes on this subject. I will never understand how when you talk into a phone, somebody can hear it somewhere else. Just don't get it. Like almost instantaneously. Dude, I don't get it. It's funny that that came up in our like 430th episode. You know what? I literally hadn't thought about that until right now. And when you were describing Bluetooth, I was like, it's actually just nuts that I can just call somebody in like Utah and then just pick up the phone and we just have two mobile devices and my voice somehow carries to their ear. It's nuts. I used to do this Westworld podcast, which Westworld went astray. But one of the reasons I like Westworld was one of the points they were trying to make is at some point technology

is just magic. Like it's just at some point like it's there is very little difference. Like I I mean, I work out of D.C. And I work with a bunch of other Spotify employees who are just regular, like, tech employees. And we do trivia on Tuesdays. And they do the trivia through this app. And then one day the app wasn't working. It was really slow.

And I was like, that's a shame. And they just started talking. And they're like, oh, well, I guess look at all these devices. Oh, I guess they're Wi-Fi's in this kind of mainframe. And they're with the refresh rate. And they just talked out, like, Aaron Sorkinscript. And I was like, they just figured out why the internet was slow. And then, like, help the bar fix it.

And I was like, you guys know how the fucking internet works? And they were like, yeah? And I was like, holy shit. Witches. You ever think about like the idea that some countries and whoever, I don't even know? I honestly don't know how it works, but they just like lay a cord across the ocean. Like it's like, wait, there's like a cord across the ocean? I read the Michael Lewis book, Flash Boys.

Flash Boys. Flash Boys. all about high frequency trading, and they would literally lay cables between like Ohio and New Jersey, and they needed to find the quickest, straightest line they could so they, like, would bulldoze mountains

to make this cable as short as possible so they could get the slightest edge in trading. It's made $10 million to blow up a goddamn mountain to get a straight line on the fucking cable. It basically was the equivalent of a Disney fast pass to watch what you were going to buy a stock at just to buy it like a cent cheaper. And then do that a trillion times

and make $100 million. and like just with a fucking cable. Life's weird. You ever just think about how much stuff people have done? I still think twins are just nuts. We don't talk about twins. I'm straight. They have like the same.

They have like the same DNA and shit. We're always like, can you imagine like, oh, Martha Stewart tried to clone a sheep or whoever that was, Barbara Streisand? Who tried to clone their sheep or dog? Was it Martha Stewart and Barbara Streisand? They would clone their dogs. Streisand cloned her dog. Streisand has a sheep?

The giant's stryon their dogs. did that with you. I don't know. Maybe that was incorrect. I just cloned him and grew at Daniel Jones. But I'm just like, yo, there are literally human clones out there every day walking among us. And no one that's an eye. Two human individuals is exactly the same. That's the twins thing. I'm just like the fact that we just grow another person inside a person is like, I mean, that's crazy. It is crazy. It's wild. It's like, Craig, I still think twins are one.

I'm telling you, we do not talk enough about how nuts twins are. If you're a twin, emails that ringer fantasy football at Gmail. Oh, yeah. We'd love to interview you about how this. You know what I love. I love stories about twins having this like, you know, telepathic connection where they, like, can feel when the other person feels a certain way or I want stories about like twins who kind of like have felt something, you know, spiritual with one another.

On that also, I want stories of twins if you've ever swapped for each other, whatever story we just pretended to be the other one. Email surrogentanyfuttle at gmail.com for Twitter. because Roger Sherman, who used to work here at the ringer, and among many of the strangest incredible internet journalism, Roger did, was he like, not definitively, but made a really, really convincing case that Marcus and Marquif Morris had once switched jerseys

when one got ejected from a game and the other came in and played the final five minutes of the game as the other one. And I remember thinking that this was the, and I just remember thinking, like, how could you know, who could call them on that? No, but you could never. crazy. Do they have tattoos?

I don't, I don't think that at the time visible ones. I don't know. Yeah, because otherwise I'm not sure. That would have been a pretty short investigation. Wait, dude, the Rick and Morty, that's one of the freaking, the inter-dimensional cable skits is like short crimes. It's like easy, easy mystery. And it's like, who killed this person? It shows up. It's a really good idea.

I did it. Here's the murder weapon. And the judge sentences. And that's it. It's like the law and order like, do. They do the intro of the show, the whole crime gets solved. They both appear to be very tatted, so maybe this was before that, I don't know. I don't know.

Well, maybe that's it. I don't know. All right, thank you, DK, thank you, Craig. Thank you to all the twins who have emailed those from the fantasy football at gmail.com. Also, emails, if you have thoughts, I feel like if we argued about the tony thing, I actually feel like everyone's going to be like,

you guys are idiots, but no one's going to be in the middle. I think more people are going to be on high-fitz's side, is my guess. I was, yeah. I'm curious. Again. Should we do a poll? It's the principle, not this exact example.

Yeah, we should do a poll. Check for a poll. Yeah. Thank you Carlos for producing this episode. And thank you everyone for listening again. NFL draft shows coming on Wednesday. Thank you, Lord. Lauren.

Thank you, House of Pain. By the way, I feel like Craig and I should get a say in how we word the poll. If it can't be like leading the witnesses, you know. Well, neither can we. So we'll have to figure out Carlos can be the middleman. Yeah, but Carlos is very clearly team high fits. That's true. He's been saying it in the chat, the entire piece of shit.

He's been screaming at us. Carlos hates Craig and I. Wait, Carlos agreed with me and you kept this to yourself, D.K.? Well, you were, yeah, we were waiting for you to record the show and we were talking with Carlos and he's very much on your side. Carlos is like, he's just screaming, it was egregious. Here's my thing. Here's my thing.

I hear what you're saying, I actually, what bothers me is I actually agree. with you on like 98% of this. Like the, like the, ironically, the only thing to have right now is the catch rule. All of our arguments go. But yeah. I know, but like, here's the thing. Is this not the only rule?

This is the simplest rule. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. There's two sides. You have to be on your side. Like, like, what rule can we even have if this one can't be enforced? It's not black and white.

It's not black and white. There's plenty of room in this gray area. Come live in here, man. We don't need to be calling every little fucking tiki tech thing. That's it. That's all we don't have to talk about again. He's on the, to get on your side.

That's all. It's like that's why you have your side. That's all I'm saying. It's really not the point though. Lazy Fair football, baby. Yeah. Get big referee out of our game. Get big ref out of here.

All right. Let us run our own sport. It'll be fine. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, you know? I will say, D.K., I know that we've argued about refs a lot. You did move my opinion. Not you, but like, I realized you were right.

Not me. Well, no, you were right, but you argued for a long time that you're like, the refs want attention. And I was like, that is very, I thought that that was like a cynical view. And when that ref said on the game, I'm talking to America here, I literally my first thought was fuck, D.K's right. It's like, they're saying the loud, what is it? The quiet part out loud. Right. I mean, look, you know.

It's like, shit. He's so right. I'm sure they're like, look, just one time can't we date Taylor Swift? Can somebody, a celebrity to ref every once in a while? Oh my God. I can't remember who said it. Somebody tweeted it the other day. I think it was Mays, Robert Mays.

I'm sorry if I'm mixing it up. But he was like, we should have known as soon as refs started getting jacked, that these types of calls would start happening. Or worse, when the jacked refs had kids that became refs. Yeah, and they have to be their jacked ref dad. Doa Lepa. You could date Sean Hockey and kind of change the world. This isn't your, this show is not about you guys.

This is my whole point. You don't need to like insert your. yourself into every little fucking infraction. The Amazon Prime when they had no one players to put for the Steelers Patriots game, so they just put Tomlin versus Belichick. It's like you just put Sean Hockily on the poster for the game. This is the

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