The Ringer NFL Show - Week 14 Start-Sit Dilemmas, Caleb’s Big Test, Josh Vs. Burrow, Chiefs Against the Wall, and Spotify Wrapped

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

The guys preview all the games in Week 14 of the NFL season, a crucial week for fantasy football, offering start-sit advice, who they like to win each game, and much more before making their Ringer 107 picks for the week. (00:00) Show start (2:24) Bears-Packers (13:34) Steelers-Ravens (26:36) Bengals-Bills (30:55) Colts-Jaguars (38:05) Buccaneers-Saints (40:45) Seahawks-Falcons (44:28) Commanders-Vikings (57:47) Titans-Browns (59:20) Dolphins-Jets (1:01:23) Rams-Cardinals (1:03:50) Broncos-Raiders (1:06:26) Texans-Chiefs (1:11:41) Eagles-Chargers (1:18:15) Ringer 107 Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! YT: Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Further. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyfitts, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck, and we're going over all the games from week 14 of the NFL season, a,k the last week of the fantasy football regular season. So if you didn't even make the playoffs, we're going to go through a lot of real-life playoff implications this week, a lot of fantasy playoff implications. So we're going to go through just all the start-sit players that are agonizing in all the cool games. and that's basically it.

Yeah. I think we should just go through my ringer league matchup. We're just going to go through Craig's team. I would love to do that for an hour. Scour the waiver wire. Craig, aren't you mathematically eliminated? No.

We just talked about this last episode. I have to like outscore a couple of teams by like 30 or 40, which is unlikely, but certainly not mathematics. He's got a socks and dingers. Yeah. I need to, what I really do is sabotage other people's teams. Oh.

Okay. You should just get access to their phones and just bench their players. Yeah. Maybe Spotify can help with that. Yeah. Okay. But first, we're going to take a quick break. This episode is presented by Chime.

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starting as always with the game of the year. And the game of the year is brought to you by chime. Yeah. Bears Packers, legendary matchup. Did you guys see that there was Al Michaels? Bill and Zahauer talking about this. Al Michaels and Bob Costas were on Ari Emanuel's podcast, which he has a podcast now if you didn't know that,

the head of endeavor. where they just do Mount Rushmore. And they said that Packers Bears is on the Mount Rushmore of sports rivalries. Do you agree with that? Well, it doesn't feel like a rivalry lately. I agree. Depends how old you are. When was the last good?

You grew up in the 70s and 80s? Bill and Sal were like, when was the last good Bears Packers game? I'm like, I don't really have a memory of one. Well, it's funny you ask because I was looking into this. And if you take out games where the Packers, you know, bench their starters in week 18 because they had already clinched the playoffs. the last 17 games versus the Packers. So a full season. The last 17 games versus the Packers,

the Bears are one in 16. See, that's not a rivalry. It's just not. It's sad is what it is. That's why this is the game of the year because the Bears, they've come in the last place to the NFC north three years in a row.

And now they're serious, their first place in a division. They're number one seat in the NFC, but now they have two games versus the Packers in a three week span. And if either team wins both those games, that team basically will win the division. So the Bears, it's winning this game versus Green Bay. I mean, one in six, one in 16 in their last 17 competitive games versus the Packers,

I mean, 15 years of Rogers being like, I own the Bears. And then Jordan Love is three and oh in games. He's actually started and finished. I don't know. This game will weigh in the heads of Bears fans way more. Whether they win or lose, it will weigh much heavier than all the other games. what I lost this year. Yeah, I mean, especially because the bears have had an easier schedule, I would say.

And so this game is like kind of a, I mean, outside of the Eagles last week, who they destroyed them and ran for over 200 yards against the Eagles, this is their biggest test of the year. Yeah, I was going to say, this is sort of like a good litmus test to how real last week was and how real they are just generally speaking, how real the bears are. If they can win in this game, I'm actually, I think I'm going to start to be a believer. in the Bears. I'm not currently like a strong believer in them. I think they've done pretty well and they've out they've, you know, outperformed my expectations by far. Caleb, I think is on the right

track. He's getting better week in and week out. I think Ben Johnson clearly the right coach and in a very good coach, but I still think it feels like smoke and mirrors a little bit. I, it kind of feels like we're going to learn a lot about Caleb Williams. This is a huge game. Going to learn a lot in Lambo. This is a huge game. I think the bears have taken the not a little bit what the cults were where I think my when I look at the bears, I think everyone probably feels this way. My heart is happy for Chicago. The football's better when the bears are good. But my head is like, this is probably fake. They literally have six more points than their opponents this season and they have six more wins than losses. That doesn't make any sense. And you, I don't know, the bear's

entire season is just, they've been incredible running the ball. And they have way more turnovers, like on defense, they force more turnovers than ever the team by a ton. Like they have seven, their turnover margin this year is 17. No other teams better than nine. So that won't continue. But they're running the ball, they've unquestionably been good. I mean, since they're by in week five, the Bears, honestly, the Colts with Jonathan Taylor, the best rushing team since then.

And the Bears are right there. The Bears are the most rushing yards since week five, most rushing first down since week five. The Bears are second in rushing yards per carry, second and rushing EPA. Like the rushing is there. But Ben Johnson himself said this week that the passing game, they're winning despite the past the game, not because of it. And he wasn't just Caleb. He was talking about like the receivers,

not hitting landmarks, not running routes, all this stuff. But he was kind of saying everything's a little funky. And then he walked it back as he was kind of like, oh, I probably shouldn't have said that. But I don't know. I mean, I frankly would like the bears to be good. I think that's a fun story. But I think the Packers might embarrass as a strong word.

But I think the Packers will put them in their place a little bit. Oh, interesting. I don't know. I'm not sold on. I'm not sold on the Packers. They have basically only beaten one team this year and it's Detroit twice. And outside of that, I don't think any of their wins are particularly impressive. They lost to the Panthers this year.

They put up seven points against the Eagles and it's like, cool. They beat J.J. McCarthy. They've beaten the Giants. They beat a shitty Steelers team. To me, I don't feel that confident. I think Love is playing the best he's played right now. But they played the Lions and he looked good. and I don't feel particularly strongly

about any player on the Packers' offense. I think the talent on Chicago's offense is better than the talent on Green Bay's offense, I think. Really? Yeah. I think I would go the other way with that. You would rather have the receivers running backs and tight ends right now on Green Bay than Chicago?

Well, how healthy is everybody? Well, there's no Tucker Kraft on Green Bay. But I'm talking about like, does Matthew Golden count. Does Jane Reed count? Yeah, sure. We're getting close to coming back. I think if you add Christian Watson, Romeo Dubs, Dontavian Wicks, like that's a pretty deep receiving core.

You know, Musgrave isn't very good or has not been good to this point in his career. But I just think I think Josh Jacobs's head and shoulders above the running backs for Chicago. That's fair. But I think what Ben Johnson is doing with the running game with DeAndre Swift and Menangai is better than what the Packers are doing right now. I think Roma Dunzee is better than every Packers' out receiver. I think DJ Morris probably better than every Packers web receiver. DJ Moore? Yeah.

Wow. Well, there's talent, but again, they're not playing, like, there is talent and then there's actual how they're playing right now. Ben Johnson's literally at the podium after a win saying that even despite the wind, not the wind, but the wind with a D, like, he's still like they're not playing with their potential people. I don't know. I think Ben Johnson is doing what Mike Vrabel is doing, which I think is really smart,

which is like Ben Johnson, when he's in the locker room with his guys, he seems like a guy's guy, locker room coach, like hyping up his players. A win is a win. Even if we were losing the whole game and we barely squeaked it out, like a win is win and that's what matters. And then when he goes to the media, he walks it back a little bit. He's like, we could still improve. I think even though he's saying stuff like that, it's a calculated decision to get his move to get like the players to continue thinking that there's more to be done and the season's not over. So while he is saying stuff like that, I think it's, I think that's the right

move as a coach. And Vrable does that too. I would like multiple things to be true. I believe in Caleb Williams as a quarterback in the NFL long term. And I think he can be better than above average. I think Ben Johnson's the right coach of the Bears and could be there for 10 years. And I also think the Bears are going to lose to the Packers this week. And I think all those things can be true because the Bears lost 10 games in a row last year. And I don't think they're the one seed. And I don't think they're in the caliber of other teams. They're not as good as the same record as the Seahawks. They've outscored their opponents by six points. The Seahawks have outscore their opponents by 130. Like they're not as good as Seattle. They're not as good as the Rams. And I don't think

they're as good as the Packers. And what it comes down. I'm just surprised you think they're going to get embarrassed. Embarrassed. Well, I said it's a strong word. And maybe I should have said the word at all. With that said, I think there's a couple starts sits in this game that are difficult. Christian Watson, I think, is a player you want to be playing because he's been playing well. But sometimes when it's really cold, you're kind of like, why did I start the big play receiver? But Watson, I think, has been too good to not play. These guys are all used to this shit by now. The question I have for you guys is Roma Dunez, for the Bears, who has been really bad.

And I think a lot of people don't want to play. But when I watch Bears games, and again, I don't know. Again, Ben Johnson, maybe he's Rode Z who's the guy he's talking about. But I don't know. I feel like a Dunezay's open a lot and Caleb just misses him for whatever reason. But we have a Dunezay this week ranked 30th among receivers. So behind Michael Wilson and the Cardinals, behind Alec Pearson, the Colts, behind Debo Samuel in Washington, behind Joe Colby Myers on the Jags, behind D.K. Metcalfe on the Steelers,

behind Marvin Harrison of the Cardinals, where he didn't practice today. But we have Roma Dunesay ahead of like Khalil Shakir on the bills, ahead of Brian Thomas Jr. on the Jags, head of Troy Franklin on the Broncos, head of Quentin Johnson. I think that's right. Yeah, I was going to say. It feels kind of right. Like maybe he should be ahead of D.K. McKaff at this point.

We'll have to talk about him. But like, but yeah, Rome is kind of entering that zone where it feels like a miracle when it gets a catch. I don't like it. I think he's a good player

and I think he's ultimately going to have a good career. But right now, you know, they're just, it doesn't seem like things are clicking for him. So it's frustrating. It's funny. Both of these teams have some of the most difficult

wide receivers to figure out in fantasy. Yeah. Like the, the target share is kind of like flattening for both of these teams where it's like Rome and DJ Moore and Luther Burden is kind of ascending and Colston Loveland's more in the mix. Same with Green Bay. It's like this like three-headed thing of wicks and dubs and Watson. The only thing with Rome I will say is I don't know if Rome is particularly healthy. He hasn't practiced all week with a foot injury. He's had this for a while. And since he has

come back from that small injury, he's not playing as much. He's basically playing like 70% of snaps beginning of the year was closer to like 85. And so I wonder if that's a or if it's, I don't know if it's like a regression thing and he's not playing as much, but I'm not sure he's 100% healthy either. So on one hand, part of me wants to, part of me is thinking about suggesting people play Roma Dunezze instead of just blindly benching him

because he's burned you in part because if you just looked at the last six weeks or so, the expected fan is basically how much targets, depth, everything you're getting. The air yards, the amount of just distance the balls traveled on Roman Dunes's targets is like top five in the entire league in expected yards and how many yards

you would think Romadunzi's had. And he hasn't been, and also touchdowns, I mean, last week versus the Eagles, Roman Dundseni was so wide open in the end zone for so long. And then Caleb finally saw him, which bounced the ball to him because there's a lot of wind and stuff. And I'm just like, there's a lot of plays like that that have been left on the field where you, when I watch Romadunze and then I look at his game log, I'm like, this is not lining up. Yeah.

But I'm hesitant to recommend playing him because, one, 14 degrees in Green Bay. and who knows what the wind's going to be until realistically turn on your TV on Sunday morning. And the same way there was wind in Philadelphia, I don't know what the situation is. And the other thing it keeps bothering me is, I keep getting this guy's name wrong. Ozzie, how do you say,

Ozzie Tripilo, the left tackle for the bearers, second round tackle out of Boston College is going to be going against Michael Parsons. And I kind of just keep thinking about that of in 14 degrees or 18 degrees, whatever, Michael Parsons is going to be going against Ozzy Trappolo, the second round rookie in a left. And I'm like, I just think the past, I don't know.

So I think both a duncee will be better rest of the season than you think, but I also don't want to bank on them this week. Yeah, I think I think you're playing Rome, Watson. That might be it. And well, the running back, Swift. Oh, no, I think you play both of them Jacobs. Yeah. I'm going to talk about wide receiver.

I'm seeing, I'm seeing Trappillo. Trappillo, like a pillow. Trappillo. Because Parsons going to put him to sleep. So is he, there you go. Game of the Year presented by Chime. If we get to the other, the other big games this week, Craig. Yeah.

You have the Bad vibes bowl, that's what I'm calling it. Pittsburgh Steelers instead of icy hot bowl, it's the bad vibes bowl? Yeah. It's like, which team are we going to allow into the playoffs to get their doors blown off at bowl? Steelers at Baltimore, baby. Steelers at Baltimore. The ESPN's like playoff percentage thing says that the winner of the, This game has a 75% chance of making the playoffs.

And the loser has a 25% chance. So this game is massive for these two teams. I don't know, man. Like, we could get into a lot. Like, Lamar was a limited participant in practice on Wednesday. He did not practice on Thursday. Greg Roman says he looks like he's going to play. I mean, sorry, not Greg Roman.

Todd Monkin says he thinks he's going to play. This is one of the more interesting, what do I do in fantasy games? because I would say every single player on the Steelers, not one of them is for sure you should start them. The Ravens, outside of Derek Henry, also I wouldn't say for sure you should start any of these players. I mean, Lamar is very tricky. Right now, Lamar, we have in our rankings,

here are the guys we have above Lamar, Josh Allen, Matt Stafford, Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hertz, Joe Burrow, Baker, Mayfield, and golf. It's eight guys. I would argue if you're in a single QB league and let's say over the course of the season, there are some guys who weren't drafted super highly that you might have on your team,

like Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, Jordan Love. I don't know, man. I think those guys, I think Darnold, Daniel Jones, Jordan Love, I don't know, maybe of Trevor Lawrence. I think like there is a handful of guys that I would be okay with you starting over Lamar because I think the upside, like the ceiling that Lamar usually offers is kind of gone.

And so I'm like, if the goal is just to get to 17 fantasy points, I kind of think like Sam Darnold can get you that much easier against the Falcons than Lamar will against the Steelers. I think the key insight there too is that the difference is I would, if I told you only one of Trevor Lawrence to Lermar Jackson would run for 30 yards and scored touchdown on Sunday. Yeah, yeah. I think Trevor Lawrence at this point might be more likely. I mean, Bill Barnwell had a great stat of ESPN that since Lamar's come back, before he was

hurt, the last two years, basically, Lamar was averaging 26 yards a game just on designed runs. and since he came back from injury, it's dropped from 26 to just 6 yards a game on design runs. So at that point, you're like, all right, so if you just close your eyes and I read you, I mean, it's box score, but whatever. Lamar last three weeks ran for 27 yards, 11, 10. And then you'll see him in the injury report.

It's Thursday. And I can't keep track. What is the injury keeping Lamar out today? I can't even keep track anymore. It's ankle. ankle. So we've had knee, ankle, hamstring, toe. Every week, it's a new thing.

And so now I keep waiting for Lamar and get healthier. And he's practicing less, not more. So I, but he's going to play. I think seasons on the line. He's going to play. Lamar will like fight John Harbaugh and before he doesn't play this game. This is the ultimate, who are you fantasy personality test? You know what I mean?

Like are you someone that looks at shorter timelines and like recency and what like what he's been doing lately? Or are you just like, his name's Lamar Jackson. I'm fucking putting him in my starting lineup. I don't care that he scored seven points three straight weeks. I'm generally more of the latter. I'm like, it's Lamar Jackson. He'll figure it out.

He's not going to have another seven point game, right? But then also in the back of my mind, I'm very much like Craig where I'm just like, here's the difference. The ceiling argument is actually kind of gone. That's a really good argument. That's the most like convincing thing that you've said about it in terms of just like he doesn't have the ceiling that it usually has.

So you might as well start a healthy guy. I'm like, don't you think Jacoby Preset could probably get you 18 points as as easily as Lamar this one? It's funny. There's multiple back quarterbacks. Like a top five quarterback. Marcus Mariotta, if he plays for Washington this week, I feel like it's probably more likely to get you more points.

You know what I don't know. That's Minnesota. But yeah. Well, I know. But I know, but I'm just saying like the Broncos were being good at limiting Russian quarterbacks all year. And Moriota did fine first time. I'm just saying the emotional truth about this decision if you have to play Lamar is

that if you bench Lamar and you're wrong, it's your fault. But if you play Lamar and he sucks, then you get to be mad at Lamar instead of yourself. Which is probably how we should. discuss these things if we're being honest. But I was also, we have to get to the other part of this, which is the actual real life implications here, Steelers Ravens. Craig, you're a Steelers fan. Yeah. I don't want to be hyperbolic, but I think in the entire tenure of Mike Tallman, which were coming up on 20 seasons, I think the hot seat right now is the hottest that's ever been in terms of whether Mike Tallman actually gets fired at the end of the year. I think this is the first time

I ever have ever believed he might. And before we get into any of this, Ravens Steelers anything, I just want to know right now, how do you feel about it? Mike Tomlin, if he, his tenure. Oh, his tenure? No, not, sorry, not 20 years. Do you think Mike Tomlin should keep his job for next season? Just like, no. How do you feel about it?

No, we talked about it last week. No, I haven't changed my opinion. I think it's time to move on. It's been a long time. He's had a great job. Sometimes things end and it's okay. And to be honest, him being on the hot seat for this game, it almost calms me, makes me feel,

calms me or makes me feel dead inside. I'm not sure. but where like if they do lose and that potentially leads to a change at the head coaching position and at all the court in it and it kind of starts a rebirth for the Steelers because they lose this game

I might not be totally upset about that. Like if this is, if they lose 30 to 7 and it's a disaster and it's like Tomlin's out, you know what? Maybe that's for the best. There's a lot writing on this game. There are.

I mean, Steelers fans were booming Renegade. The song they play every year for 20 years. fans were chanting fire Tomlin. Some guy tweeted that Tomlin is going to say, we can't eat soup with forks and sign a 2018 pro bowler. That guy's getting a lot of run set. Well, he said almost that exact quote. And then he signed a 28th grade feeling.

DK, Ben Rothusberger said this week that Mike Tomlin might need to go, which I know, Rathesburgh had nothing is more than just fucking criticizing. Yeah, that's Craig how he feels about it. Ben will say anything to make a headline and he's doing that all season. He's the saddest. But James Harrison also is coming out here saying like,

I never thought Mike Tomlin was, I know. I don't do it. But yeah. I guess. James Harrison was like, who are the beloved ex-stealers that you still like? There are plenty of beloved Steelers still. Paul Amalo I love.

Heath Miller, I love. Not Antonio Brown, not Leonardo Brown, not Love Yard Bell. Antonio Brown's not on your list of beloved Steelers? Antonio Brown, not on the list. Martavis Bryant? Martavis Bryant. I actually thought he was kind of fun, but no, not on my list. But there's plenty of them.

Yeah. Yeah, but then it's kind of funny, Mortevis Bryant in his criminal history of just having a lot of marijuana gets lumped in with Antonio Brown. Oh, I wasn't saying. Off the field concerns. You know, Martavis Bryant likes to smoke pot and Antonio Brown, you know. But what's crazy I think about this game, it's Brooke Pryor had a good story. She covers these Steelers for ESPN and she had a good story.

The Steelers entire offseason on defense was entirely about the Ravens. Like, because the Ravens allowed, the Steelers allowed 300 rushing yards to the Ravens in the playoffs, which I know I talk about this on the show all the time. I don't think it gets talked about enough. The Steelers allowed 300 rushing yards in the playoffs. And Mike Tomlin, it's crazy. Mike Tomlin said he didn't even get through the entire locker room after that game walking until he decided what they were going to do at defense, which was just add a ton of big people.

And they drafted Derek Tackle, sorry, Derek Tackle, Derek Harmon, the defensive tackle from Oregon. And then they drafted the hero, Jack Sawyer. And they signed all these linebackers and edge rush. They signed a bunch of like seven different giant people between the draft and free agency for the front seven to not have anyone run for that many yards again. Like the whole thing was to stop the Ravens and just the rushing attack. And the week before this game, last week, the Buffalo Bills just ran for the most yards by an opponent in 50 years in the Steelers Stadium. And the Bills did it without either starting tackle, which I don't know how many teams have ever ran for 240 yards of that either starting tackle. Now with all this Tomlin heat, I think it is very important to grade him on the curve of if you spent your entire year thinking about how to stop the Ravens.

and how to not let them bully you around. And then the Ravens now are the weakest. We have seen the Ravens offense in like, I don't know, probably since Kyle Bowler was the quarterback or maybe just like late, limp Joe Flacco before he got benched. This is one of the worst moments of the history of the Ravens right now and how they're playing an offense. And if the Ravens come in and get right versus you

when you had like 11 months to fix it, I do think Tomlin should go if they lose this game. You got to eat soup with a spoon, you know? sometimes you just got to put it plainly like that yeah yeah um that it is a good way to like frame it yeah and that guy that first round in the steelers drafted derrick carman not going to play in this game it does look like uh with that said this is when the steelers win games right now i was going to say with that said i want the steelers plus five no eight at them i think i think i do too i think this game's going to be close the steelers are three and two against the ravens again

with lamar the last five games they've played uh these games are always close and ugly and five and a half is a to lay for Lamar who's not healthy and playing terribly. So I agree. Just like the Packers are 16 to 1 versus the Bears in their last 17, I think to 17 times that Mike Tomlin's been talked about whether he should be fired. I'm pretty sure Mike Tomlin's like 70. He wins. Real quick, we don't have to spend too much time on this because I know it's been like talked about ad nauseum this week. But like what Craig, what do you make in this Aaron Rogers sort of throwing his receivers under the bus story that's happened? I think I actually is it, do I think he's right or do I agree with him going public with it? The latter. Um, yeah, why not?

You're taking Roger's side on this. All right. I mean, look, the Steelers receivers are not playing well. They're not good. So sometimes you need to go public for stuff to actually, you know, make the message heard. So I'm okay with it. I mean, look, Rogers is yelling at them enough on the fucking field. So I don't think him doing it at the presser is really any different than what those guys here probably every single day. Yeah. I think Rogers is yelling with the weight of like his entire career. And also I, we said this at the beginning of the season. Mike Tomlin literally never had a losing season under the Pittsburgh Steelers. And there's a chance that Tomlin and Aaron Rogers's legacies will actually both be tainted and reminder that Aaron Rod, it might become part

of Aaron Rogers's legacy. No. Mike Tomlin literally never had a losing season. And then they signed Rogers and then he fucking got fired. If, if it says it enough, Craig, it might. No, I'm not saying. That's insane. He played well at points, but if you don't think people are, you don't think like NFL memes is going to be like Mike Tomlin before and after Aaron Rogers. It's like, Mike Tomlin's going to get fired after one season with Rogers. You don't think that's going to be a running joke.

No, I think you're Stephen Aing this. I don't think so. I'm not saying that's accurate. I think Rogers play well, but like, I come on. This is not, I don't think there's anything Rogers can do this year that will affect his legacy negatively more than what would happen last year with the Jets. I think I'm not saying that. I'm saying it will be a judge.

I think Steelers fans like, Tomlin, you know, till Rogers. I mean, I guess stupid jokes. But I don't think in reality would mean anything for Rogers if they go eight and nine. I think it would be pretty funny. Yeah, it might be funny. Having said that, I kind of want the Steelers plus five and a half because the Steelers have won this exact game in this moment, 10 times. 100%. I agree.

Fantasy-wise, very interesting, once again. I mean, other than Derek Henry, do you put, who would you, if we had to draft players you want to play in this game outside of Derek Henry? and I guess Lamar Jackson. The Steelers running backs. I think you can play. I would take Warren. Jalen Warren would be Henry and then Jalen Warren. Yeah, for sure.

The only problem is the running game with Rogers under the pistol is worse. And they're a lot better under center running the ball. And Kenneth Gainwell is now becoming like the receiving back and Jalen Warren is not catching passes as much anymore. So I maybe agree with you.

I was going to say Say Flowers potentially. Save Flowers were negative points last week, that one? I mean, he should have had a touchdown, but yeah. I know. but like I just, is something, you're right,

but there's something emotional about the fact that you might lose because you play to go negative points. I mean, you had like a 40-yard touchdown that I would, nine times out of 10 probably would not be calls.

Yeah, well, don't commit OPI. No, yeah, flowers, the problem with flowers and his Steelers, the cornerbacks are tough, but has he had 12 points

since week one? I actually don't know. Well, he hasn't had a touchdown since week one. However, he's basically a lock for like 50 to 70 yards a game.

He does it. Nine of 12 games this year, he's had between 40 to 70 yards. That doesn't win you. you anything, though. No, I know, but I'm like thinking about your options here. Well, the real question is, would you, I mean, what do you do about D.K. McKF.? We have McKaff ranked 28th. That is tough.

Yeah. I don't think you need to play it. I mean, I don't want to go down that way. No, I don't think he need to play. He's the wide receiver 59 over the last five weeks. Yeah, you can't play. You just can't play that. That's insane.

The next game here is the, the, D.K., the Cincinnati Bengals are at the Buffalo Bills, which is this is Joe Burrow versus Josh Allen, which is cool. but then Bill's Bengals is like a little less cool. It's kind of a fun rivalry game. This is more of a rivalry than the Bears Packers at this point. I mean like actually this is a better rivalry game. However, the Bengals are four and eight. So that affects the actual gravity that this game provides, I guess.

But I'm kind of excited to watch it obviously because Burrow, I thought he looked pretty healthy in his first game back. He wasn't perfect, but I was expecting a little bit of a ramp up period. And he came out and played pretty well through two touchdowns. It's looking like T. Higgins may be back. He's been practicing. So that would obviously be nice to get T. Higgins and Jammar Chase on the field together. We never talked about the nature.

T. Higgins, like, caught a pass and was concussed while catching a pass. Yeah. I feel like we've seen that a couple times this year now. Noah Gray did that for the Chiefs, too. He, like, caught a pass and got knocked out and, like, caught the ball in his limp arms and the network cut away from it. No one ever talked about it. But he caught a pass while, like, unconscious, which was freaky. Maybe players are going to start training how to do that.

Yeah. Probably not beneficial for the teams. All right, TKT Higgins is back. All right. Anyway, the good news is for Burrow and the Bengals is the bills, sorry, the bad news for Burroughs is the bills are very good against the past. The good news is they're not very good against the run. They're in fact quite terrible against the run.

And so this could be a good day for Chase Brown. The Bengals, or sorry, the bills are giving up the third most points to running backs this year, fantasy points. So unfortunately, might not be fireworks. I'm thinking this game is very interesting because both teams are just going to run the fuck out of the ball, I think, because the Bengals are very bad at defending the run.

The bills, that's been sort of like their strength this year is just pounding the football with James Cook. And so, yeah, that's kind of how I look at this game. It's going to be billed as, you know, Burrow versus Allen,

but it's just going to be a bunch of running. It's funny because last week, Joe Burrow threw the ball, 46 times. I think he threw the ball 37 times in the first half or something around that number. Which was great. I think it was the most thing was thrown in a half a year. Yeah. In a long time. And granted, maybe the Ravens are, you know, they were winning the game and the second half they didn't need to throw as much. But part of me thinks like the Bengals are incapable of not throwing the ball 45 times. I agree. Right. That's good point. Yeah. The bills were beat to the bills were built

to beat the Bengals. Bills beat Bengals. Bill's built Bengals. Bill's built Bengals. Bills built to beat Bengals. It's true though because the Bills, the Bengals wiped the bills off the floor in that snow game where the bills couldn't get anything done.

They couldn't run the ball as embarrassing in the playoffs. And then ever since then, the bills went into, we're going to have like a great between tackles running game. We're going to bully teams off the field. And the bills were built their team to beat the Chiefs. And the Bengals, because the chiefs and bengals want to throw on offense, but they can't really stop the run.

So the bills built. their team to run the ball, but then also their defense is built to stop passing games like Cincinnati and Kansas City. So now Buffalo's issue is teams who can run the ball really well. But against the, I think the bills are very situated to win this because I don't think the bump Cincinnati can move it on them like they want, but I think the bills can have the ball for 40 minutes in this game, maybe. The Bengals are basically the only team that are worse against the run or the Giants. They ran the ball for 250 yards last week and they didn't have their starting tackles.

Yeah. So the only other fantasy point here, I'd say, is keep an eye on Dalton Kincaid. He's back at practice limited. He added a knee injury despite missing a game. I don't know what that's going on with that. Sometimes you're just hamstring hurts and therefore you're nervous. Sometimes you got diversify, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Add something to your repertoire. Smart. But basically it's like, I saw this stat. I'm sorry. I apologize for who tweeted it, but it was basically like, Trey McBride is the number one tight-ended fantasy. And the number two, tight-end fantasy is whoever. is going against the Bengals. So, yeah, just keep an eye on Dalton Kincaid.

He'd be a good streamer slash start option if you need to tie down this week because the Bengals are just horrific against tight ends. The next game here, another huge divisional game this week, the culture at the Jaguars, but they both have eight wins. And yeah, this is, I mean, the AFC South is never going to be as cool as the other divisions, but it's, it's, this is, the whole division is a bunch of teams. We don't really understand how good they are, but the Colts of Jaguars are maybe the number one and number two teams in the NFL for just, I don't really know how good these teams are. This is the the Jaggs, I think, sit in the same category almost exactly as the Bears.

The Jags and the Bears are like identical teams this year. Like the play calling genius guru head coaches, quarterbacks who have a ton of talent, but maybe have underwhelmed or whatever. The defenses on both of these teams are absolutely living. on takeaways, but that's not something that you can always rely on happening, game in and game out. The Jags are fourth and takeaways, they have 20. So I think that stylistically and sort of like

identity-wise, they're kind of similar. I think the Bears are much better at running than the Jags are. In fact, the Jags last week, good God. E.T.N. had 12 carries for 28 yards against the Titans. Tutan had 8 for 17. It was like they both averaged two yards to carry.

So, you know, I think obviously that's the one big difference. But yeah, Jaguars and Bears, they kind of have a lot of similarities. I think the question for the Colts here, can Jonathan Taylor break through the Jags defense? The Jaggs have been really good about holding opposing offenses in the run game. They're giving up the fewest rushing yards per game this year, 82 per game. So they're kind of a past funnel defense. And that is kind of like my one big question.

It's like, how are the Colts going to fare against this run defense when Daniel Jones is hurt? He's got this broken leg. There was an interesting story this week about how his college roommates have this startup company that does 3D printing. And they made him like a guard thing that is like perfectly fitted to his leg to protect his bone. Did you guys see this story? I did. And they said they have, they're like, how do you scan it? He's like, they have an app.

He can scan it on your phone. And I was thinking about Craig's mom being like, why didn't you build that, Craig? Yeah, why didn't you build an app? Damn it. So you just scan your leg and then it builds a perfect cast for you? Yes, yeah. Just make that. Okay.

But he's, I think the thing with Daniel Jones is he's, you know, he's clearly limited. He doesn't look like he's as fast or as mobile as he normally is. And that was something that the Colts coaches, I think, admitted to. Like he just doesn't have the lateral mobility they typically would have. So that's a huge deal. And I think the idea would be here is to try not to put too much on his shoulders and let Jonathan Taylor carry the game. But the shoulder is fine.

The leg is the problem. But the, that's what the scans were for. I, do you guys feel? more or less impressed by NFL medical staffs that Daniel Jones as like college teammates got him a leg scan app. Yeah, they really got. Isn't that weird? He's using something his college buddies invented?

What are the odds that Daniel Jones's college buddies are just actually the best people at this? Is he going to get like a big new contract and then bring in the Daniel Jones like medical team, kind of like TV 12? What if this is all some giant? like investor scam, and this is Daniel Jones faking a broken leg to prop up this, this. SpawnCon. Yeah, this company to, and then sell it. And Daniel Jones is an investor. Have we considered that?

These guys went, I am now. You know, these kids went to Duke. They're smart. They were fucking roommates. It's a pretty good idea. Think his thieves these three. Yeah, he comes up with some like body scanning app. Fakes a leg injury that can't get a broken leg that some, for some reason, can't get worse. He's still playing on it? Sounds fishy to me. It's pretty good. So who do you think is going to win? I mean, the funny thing about these two teams are, no matter how many times the Colts lose,

for some reason, I still believe in them. And no matter how many times the Jags win, I still don't believe at them. They made it across the river. They forded the river, you guys. The wagon's back. I couldn't agree more. I think the Jaguars could beat anyone, but I will never, ever pick them to win again. Because Trevor Lawrence's Cape never, ever, ever.

Like, I just, the defensive line for the Jags is good. You know what I mean? Josh Heinz Allen and Trayvon Walker, like, I know there's, he had the wrist thing, but I think they're playing well. Like, they're surprisingly good. A lot of things I made fun of them. I made fun of them paying Jordan Lewis like 10 million year at nickel back to be the oldest nickel in the league.

Like he's, but they're playing well in defense. But I agree, D.K., I think it's a little fake. I also just still, I can, I feel like I can see in the flames, Trevor Lawrence throwing an interception to Cambine him, the cult safety and him doing some weird rom-com dance from 2003 in the end zone. And I just, Trevor Lawrence just. does too much dumb shit for me to believe that the Jags are going to win. I also think Daniel Jones, I also think the word fractures throwing us off.

It's a hairline fracture, you know, probably. It's just a little broken. It's a little broken. Yeah. Also, I'm just like, I don't even know who I think is good on the Jags offense. And I think a lot of guys are good on the Colts offense. On that note, Brian Thomas Jr., who's back, I'm curious. I want to play the name game with Brian Thomas Jr.

If your seasons on the line, would you play? Like this is your flex spot. It's your last guy you're going to start. Would you play Brian Thomas Jr. D.K. Or would you play Troy Franklin? You had to ask me about the Brock. Yes, I did. I did want to ask you.

Probably Troy Franklin. That's how bad it's gotten for Brown Thomas. It will help him in theory that Parker Washington is out. Would you rather play? That's the thing. Parker Washington is probably out of this game. And Brian Thomas is, I do think he's healthy. He did.

Nice block everyone. Brian Thomas. I kind of don't want to put my season on Brian Thomas. Do you know he's the Y receiver 47 this year? Right next to Hollywood Brown. Hi. He's a behind Kishon Booty, Trey Tucker, Troy Franklin. This was like a early second round pick. Maybe late first. Would you take Brian Thomas Jr. or Trey Tucker versus the Broncos? Christ. Seasons on the line. Probably Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas. John Thomas, or 80 Mitchell on the Jets. Oh, 80. Really? Yeah. Craig?

When was last time Brian Thomas got fucking 12 targets? Oh, God. No, I think I would do Brian Thomas. They're kind of similar players, honestly, stylistically. I would play Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas or Roma Dunezay, D.K. Woma doonese. I would take Rome. You'd take Wom?

Well, I would take Wom. Okay. I would take Wome as well. Games in Jacksonville, not in 14 degrees in Green Bay. I think I'd go Brian Thomas, man. By the way, the last time Brian Thomas had, 12 targets was week two. He caught four of them.

That's not bad. That's not, it's, no, it is bad. That's bad in 300. No, that's bad, Craig. I mean, that's four. In football, it's great. In football, it's bad. 333. Average is good.

New Orleans, the next. That sounds good to me. The next game here, another divisional one, not as fun. New Orleans Saints are at Tampa Bay. I don't think there's much to say here I mean, Alvin Carver is probably out I hope you're not to have to play Devon Neal I don't know much to say about real life or whatever

I mean the bucks are getting people back but they're also, they're bucks have an easy schedule going forward so maybe they win the NFC self. Well, there's a couple of fantasy questions I want to ask if Mike Evans is playing in this game, do you play him? No, because I don't, someone who's been out for two months and just comes back to, so Mike, I think.

Like for instance, Bucky Irving last week who said they said they were going to have him on a pitch count and then he fucking played like half the game or more. But that's the problem. This is my problem. It's because I like, I fucking galaxy brained it last week and I started Sean Tucker on like three teams. And he did fuck all.

But I think that's your problem. Idiot. I know. That's because the fucking coach said we're going to bring him along slowly. And then he scored a touchdown. He played like half the game. I think his 20 touches are different because a running back that comes back from injury, he looks good on the first drive.

The coach might be like, fuck it. Keep him playing. Like this is Omerian Hampton for the charges this week. I think of Amerian Hampton, they're like, oh, yeah, put him on a pitch cow. He broke an ankle. He's a rookie. They put him in. If he looks, if he breaks off a 40-yard run on the first drive, they're going to play

him the whole game, probably. But if he kind of looks slow, then like, Vidal looks good, they're just like, screw it. We're going to play Vidal, like, more of the time. Receiver, I don't know. There's, like, chemistry. There's rhythm. Maybe it doesn't matter because Mike Evans played Baker for, like, four seasons. So, I guess, I don't know.

What? I'm like, I'm like, chemistry and rhythm is the one thing they have going for that. I know. Well, it's still rough. All right, fine. So Mike Evans. It's like a collarbone. He's fine. Mike Evans are Salflowers. I'm probably starting him. If Mike Evans is a full participant on today and tomorrow and I would probably play him over Zayflowers, to be honest. I think he was limited today, Craig. Let me double check that. I will say the difference with Mike Evans is Mike Evans is, like there's been a couple seasons where Mike Evans very improbably got back to a thousand yards in a season.

Yeah, he has, I mean, think of it. He only has like four games to get to a thousand yards. I have like 250 a game. Yeah. He's 140 yards a season. Yeah. Wait, he was limited today, Craig. So he needs 860. How many games left in the season?

Five games left. So he needs. He needs 172 yards a game. That's not that crazy. That's fucking doable. You know what's funny? I feel like he will have 200 yards in one of the remaining games. Yeah.

And three touchdowns. It's just picking the right week to start him. So you're playing Olave and that's probably it. You're playing on the Saints. You're playing maybe Mike, we're saying yes, tenderly yes to Mike Evans, you're playing a Bucca, playing Bucky Irving. Yes. Yeah, Godwin both dropped a touchdown.

I don't know if he looked great, but he had two injuries this year, but yeah, it's an ugly game. DK, your Seahawks are at the Atlanta Falcons this week. Yeah, and I think the talking point in Seattle this week has definitely just been like, can we get a clean game from Sam Darnold? Please, God, for the love of God, stop turning the ball over. That's all we want. It's not only leads the league in turnovers. Yeah, he does.

Oh, wow. Did he have a turnover last week? He did. He fumbled? He fumbled twice, actually. Luckily, one of them, another Seahuck jumped on it. He, yeah, that's like my main thing is, obviously, I just kind of wanted to play a clean game. The Falcons defense has fallen a long way since it was number one in DVOA early in the year.

It's now no longer number one in DVOA. They are four and eight. They've had a really fucking weird season. They lost two. So they beat the bills in week six. one of the weirdest games of the season. Since then, they've lost six out of the last seven. They lost the Jets last week.

I guess that's all I really had to say. They lost to the Jets last week. And they lost their quarterback and their starting wide receiver. They have Kurt Cousins out there. Drake London, it's looking like he probably won't play. He did not practice today. He's not going to play. He's got a PCL injured his knee.

For example, Mike Evans coming back. I'd blame it's a collarbone. Drake London, PCL injured his knee. Those are like notoriously hard to come back from. Yes. The question here is, are you playing? our guy, Kyle Pitts. I think he's their number one receiver.

He is. And yet. So against the Seahawks, that's kind of tough though. No. Like my answer is no. I think the answer is no as well. I think the Seahawks, there's a chance they kick the shit out of Atlanta. So here's the thing with Pitts. I think Kyle Pitts is like all time fooling the Waddle model and the idea that like projections

keep saying, well, he's due for this many targets and this many catches. and I'm like, you know, I don't think Kyle Pitts at any point really had a great rapport with Kirk Cousins outside of one month with a crazy schedule in October last year. And I hate the guy. And honestly, I feel so strongly about this. I bet Kyle Pitts will be the number one tight end in fantasy this. I think this is kind of like on a hate tour. Well, it stands up. I hate the guy.

If I like that you were trying to go analytical and then you're like, and I. I fucking hate the guy. I hate the guy. I hate the guy. I hate the guy. I hate the guy. Honestly, this is the. If every instinct you have is wrong, the opposite must be right.

Like I think Pitts maybe you should bet. Maybe you should play him because he has 11 touchdowns in five years. Waddle model five out of 12 games, he's hit the Waddle model. That means he's hit the Yahu projection, by the way. I'm saying that's bad. I just, like now, now 300's bad. Okay. That's 400 DK.

Sorry. We saw a game with no Drake London and no Michael Pennix. or the Mooney got her and Pitts had like three points. Well, last week he had 80 yards and seven catches. He looked good. He looked good, you guys. But I don't know. They're on the road in Seattle.

I just don't like that. This is one of those. It's in Atlanta. I'm not telling people not to play. I don't know if you have a better option than Pitts. I don't know if you do. But I'll tell you that in the ring or fantasy league, I have made the decision that I would rather, I cut him.

I added Darren Waller. You're like, I don't want the, I don't want the temptation. I did that for two. Yes. That's what I did. I did that for two reasons. Darren Waller's playing the Bengals in week 16, and I want that for the first run by.

And I also decided I can live and sleep at night if I lose the ringer fantasy league because Kyle Pitts was really good. But I could never live with myself if I lose the ringer fantasy league because I trusted Kyle Pitts. I can't go down that way and it's an emotional decision.

I think that's right. But he could be good this week because I hate him. So that's usually how it goes. Other games in the early window that just suck. Washington is at the Vikings, and it was this before the season

looked like a lovely matchup between Jaden Daniels and J.J. McCarthy and now it's kind of just fucked up. Guys, Jadenials might play in this game. Well, it's like it's weird. So he was a, he fully practiced on Thursday, but he has not been cleared for contact.

But if you're fully practicing, as we learned recently, that means you're with the starters, isn't it? I guess that, you know, I never actually thought of that, but I guess because quarterback don't take contact.

They don't get hit. I guess that he'll get cleared for contact on Sunday morning. Yeah, I guess I kind of think he's going to play. It's one of the trickier dilemma as like I, like let's breeze, let's go through like McLaren,

I think you're playing regardless of who the quarterback is, Marriott or Jane. Terry looks good versus the Broncos. There's the first game all year. He's like healthy. Do you play Jaden Daniels? You don't.

Like you've had to have, you've have other options now because Jaden's been out. Well, you can because Superflex you do. In one QB, I think that's like borderline. It depends because, I mean, right around Jaden got hurt, you might have Jackson DART and a Jackson Dart's on buy, party on, like there's Drake May. Like there's a lot of quarterbacks that are probably playing in lineups this week that you can

start. So I think, look, Jaden, he's still going to move and run. Like he's, I don't, Jaden's problem. And it's just kind of who he is. It's like DART. Like these guys, that that's what makes them good also. But Jaden adapted to not taking hits way faster than DART has. Dart had his window.

Jaden is, he still does it. injury was really fluke. It was a freak injury. Everyone blamed Dan Quinn. And I'm like, it was, he was his offhand was bracing himself. You don't see that a lot. But I do think that's going to affect

his willingness to run and get hit. I mean, like, he is going to be, yeah, exactly. I mean, let's name game it. Let's go through quarterbacks

that you could have added once Jane Daniels went down. Would you play Jacoby Bressett or Jaden Daniels? Peret. Would you play Caleb Williams? I'd play. Probably. I'd play Jaden.

Well, you have Caleb ranked ahead of him. But would you have... Go adjust the ranks, baby. Yeah, maybe. You know what the difference is, and I will make this tweak? The difference is J. Sometimes, we'll check the weather the morning of, but I'm like, that game is outside in Green Bay.

Or sorry, it's in Green Bay, and I'm like, this isn't a dome. It would be 17 degrees. I agree with that high fits. Would you play Darnold? I would play Jaden. Over Darnold, really? Donald had three points last week. Darnold has not had like,

Donald, I think, has had nine points. Jaden has zero. Five weeks. So not that much better. That's good point. Yeah. Yeah, that's not that much of a difference. He didn't even fucking play, Craig.

If you just left Janen in your lineup, not that much worse than Darno. I don't know. I feel like Darnel is just going to have like a rock salad 250 yards and two touchdowns. Guys, I have Jaden in the Rigger League. I need to make this fucking call. So tell me what to do. I literally have Donald. I believe I have Darnold and Jaden.

No, you don't. I have Darnold. You don't have Darnold. Who's my second TV? You have 25 leads. You don't know any of your teams. That's your real life team. That's how this shit goes.

The line is blurring for it up. Anyway, we're bearing the lead here too, which is I. The return of nine. It's Gino, not Darnold. Okay. No wonder. I'm starting. I've already forgotten who's on your team.

I don't even know what. No one cares about your team. So the. Jesus Christ. You guys are tough, tough sub out here. Did we help people? with Jaden Daniels there? I don't know. Did we help them? You didn't help me. I ultimately just made my own call. Yeah. So thanks for nothing. Which is what? What did you decide? You're

playing him over Gino. I'm starting Jadil's over Gino Smith. Oh, okay. And also I would start him over Darnold. Would you play Jaden or Lamar Jackson? Oh, geez. God, shoot me. Probably Lamar. Who's healthier? I don't know. I think there's a chance you could call Jaden healthier. Yeah. Cripes. I mean, so funny. I don't know. Part of me is like, you know, the issue is,

it's his other elbow. The problem, like the reason it's a problem with Herbert with his hand and everything. I'm like, no, no, serious is the problem is

under center. Janadnian Daniels doesn't go under center. And you know what else? Like, oh no, Herbert is through everything from pistol or shotgun. It's all Jaden does.

And it's not his hand. Hiding off is not a problem. Part of me is like, it's like, it's fucking fine. Yeah, it's fucking fine. He dislocated his elbow.

like 20 days ago. You know what's funny? Stop worrying. You know what's funny? Isn't the version of Jaden Daniels that you're thinking about playing in your head the one that kind of limped off and agony? But it's weird that they're going to clear him to play football.

Don't you think they probably shouldn't? Like he should just not be playing. Well, this is the Joe Burrow. This is Joe Burrow had a really good answer. He did. Multiple times on the press conference and then also on the field. And they were like, how would you explain? It was a good question to you.

Because he's a competitor? Yeah. I mean, to be honest, He's just like, I'm a football player. When I'm healthy, I'm going to play football. It's my job. He said they were, I like the way they phrased it too, which is how would you explain to your Bengals fans who think you're the part of the team and next, this season's over and

you should play in the future, you're the future of the future. And you should think about the future. How would you explain to them why you're playing right now? And he was like, I get paid a lot of money to play a kid's game. I should probably do that. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, it's kind of obvious. Like when it's easy to say the team should bench him, they're bad.

When you're actually the guy and you're healthy and this is your job. and your life's work, you're like, yeah, of course. If I'm capable of playing physically, I will, I should. I kind of just think play Jaden Daniels. I mean, it depends. With the context, this is the same organization that RG3 played for. It isn't, it isn't because literally none of those people are left.

But, crucially. Even the name of the team is different. That's true. That's true. The only thing left. They're going to have a different stadium soon. It's not in the same field. This game's in Minnesota.

These is fucking canceled team. So we still, Jade and Daniels, we have, I guess tweet us and we'll tell you what to do. We'll figure out, I got to tell you. I didn't think he was going to play this.

tweet Craig. Yeah, tweet me. We'll update the, yeah, we'll update the rankings of Jaden. We do have, we do have the return of what?

We'll bury the fucking lead, which is this is watching Vikings. Okay, do it. We have the return of nine. Nine is back. Great. Yeah. He's trying to become 10.

Nine is back. J.J. McCarthy from his concussion is going to start. And I will say Max Brasmer was worse than J.J. McCarthy. So we can at least say that. And I would say that J.J. McCarthy is better for Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and everybody else in the Vikings than Max. Max Brosmer. Can I give one last stat?

The last thing we'll ever do, talk about Max Brosmer. Bill Barton will have the Cidiouspian. Max Brosomers EPA per play last week in the 26th and nothing lost to the Seahawks Max Brosemer's EPA per play was point eight negative point eight which is almost exactly the same as Kendall Hinton when the Broncos

all the quarterbacks the receiver who rolled out the receiver had to play quarterback for the Broncos I mean that literally means every single play like the Vikings are losing real life points every play every time Max Brose has snapped the ball the Vikings lost basically not expected

These are actual like point losses. Yeah. Unfortunately, Justin Jefferson is one of the trickier real life starts at dilemmas and fantasy. His last three games with McCarthy, fantasy-wise, Justin Jefferson has put up 13 points, 5 and 8.

Washington is... Not as bad as I thought, honestly. DK, if I put a gun to your head and I'm like, if you get this wrong, I'm going to kill you. Justin Jefferson or 80 Mitchell, who will score more fantasy points this week? probably Jefferson

yeah Craig what about Troy Frank he's drinking water totally I would I would do Jefferson in that situation I think this is the ultimate

do you just trust talent blindly or do you pay attention to anything that's happened recently like crucible this is like yeah because we're not gonna can I think it's transparent for those people listening

you're on your own we're not coming to save you No one's going to tell you to bench Justin Jefferson. I'm not going to say it. They're not going to say it because we're scared. We're scared he'll do great. Can I tell you the truth? You probably fucking should, but I don't think you should and I'm too scared to do it. And you probably won't do it, but you're going to go down because you didn't do it.

But you should play him. Washington has given up the fifth most points to wide receivers and fantasy. J.J. McCarthy has targeted Justin's 12 times, nine times. Jefferson's going to have. How many of those were over his head? Probably half of them, but I think you have to. Did you see Kevin McCarthy?

Sorry, Ken McCarthy. That's a former speaker of the house. Kevin O'Connell, the Vikings coach. I was trying to think of a joke there. I couldn't think of a connection. But Kevin O'Connell went from a detailed mechanical breakdown on things JJ McCarthy should improve to being like, you know what?

I think we got to get him to stop worrying about the mechanics and he's got to just start thinking about where to put the ball in time. He's going to just feel it now. Fuck it. Craig, DK's going to drift off because we're talking about golf. But you know in golf when you try to help something

with like someone tries to fix their swing in the middle of the course and then like it gets worse and you're like, you know what? Just hit it. Just hit the ball. Do it feels right. Ball with a stick.

Just hit it. I got to say sometimes myself when I'm golfing and I'm like thinking of like keep the elbow straight, keep the arm tight, rotate back, get your hands through. Sometimes that you end up piling on so many things that the house collapses.

And then I eventually just distill that down to just like one thing where I'm like, you know what, just do it, do what feels right? Sometimes that actually works. D.K., would you play Justin Jefferson or Devante Smith? Cripes. I want to say, I really appreciate that you're asking D.K.L. Yeah, why do I keep having to know.

I got one. We have this ranking. We have this ranking. And I have a quibble with our running ranking. Okay. I would play Justin Jefferson over Devonte Smith. I got one. I want to move him down.

We have Justin Jefferson over Michael Wilson for the Cardinals. There is no way. I don't. If my life was on the line. I have Michael Wilson ahead of him for that reason. Yeah. I, We have to, I mean, Michael Wilson, are there guys, Alec Pierce, I think you should play over Justin Jefferson.

Wow. Oh, I don't think I would do that. If I was going to die, I would play Alec Pierce. If you were going to die, you'd play Alec Pierce over Justin Jefferson. That's the donest thing I've ever heard. Yes. Alec Pierce had five targets. They had two the week before they had two.

He had one catch, two targets. I don't care. Okay. I think you'll out do him. No, he had, Alec Pierce said 78 yards last week. I said the week before that, he had two targets. some money on it. Hi Fitz, do you want to do the, I take Justin Jefferson, you take Alex Pierce, the loser dies. Let's do that. Let's do that. Loser funding dies. God. Done, solve.

In a heartbeat. Trile by combat. Interesting choice of words there in heartbeat. All right. Well, lock that in. Everyone just heard, Jackson. That's locked in. You're not playing anybody else, right? You're not playing Addison Hawkinson. I think Addison is below the bar of he, anybody could score at a given week. Jordan Addison actually had a couple catches from J. Jim Carthy in big spots this year. But I think Addison has been so

bad recently that I don't think you can justify playing him. He's been probably pound for pound one of the single worst players in fantasy over the last three weeks, Jordan Edison. Like if you played him, I don't think anyone's hard.

He had 36 yards, zero and 20 and 35. He hasn't got a double-digit fantasy point since week five. he's probably like he's like there's probably very few players that you could have just played the last month that would have done less for you than Jordan Anderson almost nobody actually that's wrong he hasn't had double-digit fantasy points in the last six weeks yeah not six five watch he's getting watch jefferson what do you think what do you think what do you think i bet nine is going to really play well this weekend to be honest there's something in my body makes me think he's going to play a part of me we

should do a castanza you know why there is probably something to If Kevin O'Connell started talking about his mechanics a month ago publicly, he probably was talking about his mechanics for the month prior privately. Part of me does wonder if the moment, James McCarthy stops fucking worrying about his mechanics, he'll look fine. He's literally like he's, Kevin O'Connell is telling him to think less, and he did just get concussed. That's true.

So it might help. Slows the game down. Right. Now he's just all instincts. One thing before we go, though, I would say Aaron Jones, if he plays, he's a shoulder injury. If Aaron Jones plays, I think you play him. I think he's an okay flex start.

I just, it's a good example of it's not perfect, but I just doubt you have a better player. I agree. But you're going to sweat every time he gets tackled. For sure, for sure. It'll be the worst day ever.

And running backs get tackled kind of a lot. Dude, people are going to be in their line. They're going to play Aaron Jones and Justin Jefferson and the Vikings are going to have no completions through like 20 minutes. And people are like, they said that the game would be better for. This is a nightmare week of fantasy. Awful.

Speaking of which, there's a bunch of buys. Titans are at the Browns this week. This is horrific. Titans are one at 11. Browns are 3 and 9. I wouldn't, literally the only player

I think you should play in fantasy in this game is Quin Sean Judkins. I wouldn't play a single Titan, wouldn't play a single Brown with my, you know, I guess if you deeper league, the tight ends, fine. But like,

the only thing for this game is I think there's a small chance Miles Garrett just gets four sacks and sets the sack record in this game. Yes, because Cam Ward's the most sack quarterback in the NFL and Miles Garrett already has 19. And the record is Michael Strand and T.J.

Water tied at 22 and a half. Yeah. I think, There's a chance he has two sacks at half time. Yeah, I agree. Like yeah. So did you guys see the touching conversation that was making the rounds between Miles Garrett and George Kittle this week?

I love I actually really love when they have the guys miced up and they're just chatting on the field. Just chit chat. George Kittle was like, I'm just happy to be here right now. You know, healthy playing football in November, it's great. He's like, and they're just like so polite to each other. It's just like really funny. Garrett was like, can you please stop chipping me?

And Kettle's like, no, I'm gonna keep doing it. I hope you break the record, but don't do it against Brock, please. Right. He's like, I can tell Brock to give you a sack if you want. You know, it's funny? They actually, did you see the unreleased version that leaked from that conversation? It kept knowing. They edited it.

Oh, God, no. Miles Garrett was like, what the fuck's with Juan Jennings? And Kittles, like, I don't know. He's a ho, though. Sure. I want that to be known. I want that to be known. He's like, I'm like, I'm like up right now.

Now, I want that to be known. Want that to be known. Dolphins are at the Jets, which is also just... Just appointment television right here. The dolphins have won four out of five games. They've beaten the Falcons, Bills, commanders, and saints. Lost to the Ravens in that stretch. I don't know what to say about this game.

I think Devon A-chan is borderline elite level at this point. I think he doesn't have the same sort of reputation or whatever as the other top elite running backs, but the four guys that he's behind this year, Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey, Jamir Gibbs, Bejohn Robinson. Like, he's, he's in that group and he's not very far behind. I think it's just a little bit smaller than the other guys, maybe. Really, he's not that much smaller. The truth is the dolphins haven't won or been relevant to the standings in three years, and that's the only reason he isn't get shine. For the award that I'm making up right now, the Glansberg MVP of the season, it's him. Like, the fact that he's played every single game,

He's been healthy the entire year. Knock a wood. And he's a top five running back on the season and has been just like amazing, especially as a receiver. He is quietly one of the most valuable players in fantasy that nobody talks about. Yeah. And the thing I would add to that is last year it felt like cheap is probably too strong a word. But like his points were a little bit cheap and half pvr or pvr point in situations because you know, he was just getting spammed targets.

But I would say this year he's made some incredible runs, which gives me like it. It re-ignites my love for him because I just think last year he was kind of banged up. He didn't have that many runs. He didn't have explosive runs last year. This year he's back, man. He's like breaking tackles. He is getting, you know, he's running through the tackles and getting and getting past the first line and then just beating guys on, you know, just beating, beating second level defenders

because he's so fast. He's so explosive. He's jukeing guys out of their socks. He just looks incredible this year. So I just wanted to make sure we talk about him a little bit because we just haven't really talked about the dolphins. other than complaining about two or a waddle. The late slate here,

Rams are at the Cardinals. Rams coming off the loss to Carolina, the instincts burn the tape, you know, like games at aberration. In reality, Matt Stafford going 20 touchdowns without a pick who's actually

their aberration, the guy who doesn't look where he's throwing all the time. But, you know, sometimes that's weird. But there's nothing to talk about for fantasy. Like you're playing all the Rams.

There's nothing to talk about this game. Like the Rams are going to win. I think the only thing to talk about here is just for fantasy purposes. I think the Cardinals, also little Glensbergie, Jacobi Percett has attempted 190 passes in the last four weeks, which is crazy.

And so as-in-there-in forever, all-time quarterback. I think another Glansburg is Trey McBride who leads all players and catches, all players. So Trey McBride turned out to have been the only tight end that mattered in the draft for fantasy. Because in the beginning of the year, third of the way through the season, it was like, oh, Tucker Kraft, but he tore his ACL. Jake Ferguson, but the CD-Land came back and he got market corrected. Brock Bowers was hurt, so he's good now, but he's had like two good games, three good games. Trey McBride has just been the only receiver playing tight end, and everyone else has just been a tight end.

So he's been a difference maker. And then you got Michael Wilson, who I think if you have, you probably have to play because Michael Wilson's just, like 50 points the last two weeks. And then Marvin Anderson Jr., who I was going to bring up his question, and then he didn't practice today on Thursday with this heel injury that followed up the appendicitis he had. So, I mean, Marvin Harrison didn't practice today. I don't think there's anything to talk about. I mean, Michael Wilson, you start.

Trade McBride, I mean, obviously. But I don't know, man. If Marvin's anything less than a full participant on a Friday, the last thing I want after seeing Marvin Harrison healthy for two years, I don't really have anything interest, even with all the passes for set throwing. I don't want to less than 100% Marvin Harrison with the heel injury. So we'll see what the health is. Yeah, he probably won't play.

No, I'm going to be a top 30 player, but we'll see. And Tray Benson is like maybe not going to be back this year. I was going to say, so that's the real thing to me. Bam Knight, Zonovan Knight, the Cardinals. I think he's the starting running back for the Arizona Cardinals, and he's available like everywhere. And the Cardinals aren't inefficient running game, but it doesn't matter. They're running a lot of goddamn plays and they're getting the goal line.

I think Bam Knight is a starting running back that could save your season. So if he's available, I would add him because I think he's just going to, I don't know. If Trey Benson isn't activated by next Wednesday, Trey Benson will not come back this season per the rules of injured reserve. And I don't know if he had a setback or what, but either Trey Benson's back next week or Zonovan Knight's like the starter. So I would add him. especially before this game

if he's available. Broncos are at the Raiders. DK, what do you make of this? Because the last time they played, it was 10 to 7. And the Broncos won and were the most demoralized winning team I've seen of any team here.

I don't have a ton of confidence in the Raiders right now. Really? Why not? Going to be honest with you. Seems like the vibes are low. Seems like they're not a very good team. Seems like Pete Carroll

has not lifted the spirits of anybody on this roster. What's your question? Yeah, the Raiders suck. What's your question? How am I feeling about this game? I think the Broncos will win. Well, the last time these two teams played,

it was 10 to 7. It was like the worst game ever. And they're matching up again like a month later. This is the perfect matchup. Week 14 of your fantasy season is on the line. This is the perfect matchup for Sean Payton to absolutely fuck you. Because on paper, you're like, this is awesome. He is just licking his chops.

We're playing in Vegas. against the Raiders, two and ten Raiders, like maybe I can start all of these Broncos players. And yet, right now, things are more muddled than they've been in months.

No Broncos wide receiver has averaged double digit points over the last month. The player with the most targets has changed each of the last three games. It's gone from Franklin to Sutton to Pat Bryant. It's just beautiful. I was reading Rich Rebar for sharp football analysis,

his breakdown of this game. And he thinks that, Pat Bryan is starting to play more because he's better in the run game than Troy Franklin, more physical, better at run blocking. And that's why he's perhaps getting a little bit more snaps. So now that's confusing between Sutton, Franklin, and Bryant. And I think the only player you probably feel confident starting right now is RJ Harvey for Denver. I would still probably play Sutton.

And Franklin has been tricky because he's really slowed down like the last month. Who's the random-ass Bronco who's going to lead the team? team in receiving this week. Probably Jaliel McLaughlin. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. I can see that.

And then Raiders, I mean, you're playing Brock Bowers and Gentie. That's it. Yeah. You know. Maybe little Jordan Humphrey? Gent. No. Gentie will get you like the ugliest 16 points you've ever seen in your life because he can't run the

ball. But he's basically like off, off, off brand McCaffrey now where like he does get like eight targets a game. And he can't run. So. This is an ugly game. Bizarre, Gentie season. Sunday night football.

What a game. This is a good game. The Houston Texans are at Kansas City Chiefs. This is a rematch at the playoffs last year, which was much closer than the score indicates. I think the Chiefs won 2513. It was way close. Texans were winning that game in the fourth quarter.

It was, yeah, it was very, very, honestly, kind of foreshadowed a lot of what happened this season for both teams. But the Chiefs have a 90% chance of missing the playoffs. Kansas City loses this game. And it actually feels higher than that. Wow. But now Kansas City's facing Houston,

who has the best defense in the AFC, and Kansas City might be, versus maybe the best defense in the league, or at least the second best defense of the league. Kansas City might be down three of their top five offensive linemen because Josh Simmons, the left tackle, who's Kansas City's first round pick, got wrist surgery, he's on injured reserve.

Kansas City's right tackle, Juan Taylor, who's the second highest paid player on the Chiefs after Patrick Holmes, has a triceps injury. And Kansas City's right guard, Trey Smith, who is the second highest paid guard in the NFL, sprained his ankle. So those guys, you know, Simmons is out. Juan Taylor, Trey Smith will see if they play.

They'll be either not 100% or out of the game. But instead of their second highest paid player, the second highest paid guard in the entire league and their first run pick, they will have Mike Caliando at guard maybe. Jalen Moore would be at right tackle. And then Wanyi Morris at left tackle after the chief spent the entire offseason trying to avoid Wynnei Morris at left tackle might play this week. And they are going to face Will Anderson and Dineale Honor at edge rusher for Houston. who are both in the top six in the NFL in quarterback pressures.

So, DK, the Texans are favored. Or sorry, the Chiefs are favored to win this game by three and a half points. Yeah. And I know this game is in Kansas City and it's really cold in Kansas City and it's like on the road and it's a loud stadium. Right, right, right. But my instinct was I kind of thought this game, I think I, with getting three and a half points, I don't know.

I kind of just think the Texans are going to win this game outright. Yeah, I like the Texans. I like the Texans in this one. I think you laid it out really well in terms of just like the trench. The differences in strength in the trenches is really, really important in this game. And I could see, you know, the Texans, man, they are just like so tough and physical and swarming on defense. They got some guys in the secondary that are big time playmakers came on Bullock. It's just been all over the place.

Yeah, I kind of like the Texan. I've like over the last couple of weeks become a huge fan of the Texans. I actually like watching them play for most of last year and the, and the. start of this year, I was like, this team is, I can't watch this team, but when you, when you like forget about the fantasy aspect of it and just like focus on the defense, they are fun as fuck to watch. But I think their offense has been making strides as well, too. So that that's important.

Bar and Will had a great note at ESPN that the Texans have really more than any team leaned into the having six offensive linemen on the field the last five or six weeks. And they've done it somewhere, I think eight, 10 plays a game, something like that. And it has helped them not be in third and long every goddamn drive, which is what we complained about for like three years now is it's always like C.J. Stroud's never been and seen the third down list in seven yards. But now that that's not a thing all the time anymore, it's been a little better. But yeah, I don't know. Craig, where do you fall on this? Because I mean, fantasy real life feels the same to me. It's like Travis Kelsey. I mean, Rishie Rice, obviously. Mahomes is weird. Mahomes is also a weird quarterback for fantasy this week. He's the number one guy last week. You can't bench him. But. it feels like you might go down. I don't know. You can't not play. Is Mahomes, I believe, is the number one quarterback in fantasy this season.

I know. You're playing Mahomes. I know. It's tricky because the style you gave at the top, they have a 90% chance to miss the playoffs if they lose this game. Immediately makes me go, and I'm just going to bet the Chiefs. If you look at the actual, like, information you have coming into this game,

everything points me to Houston. I'm like, the offensive line of the Chiefs versus. is the defensive line of the Texans. Like, give me a break. Like, the Chiefs have not been playing well. Their defense hasn't been as good. They cannot run the ball. All this stuff.

But I'm like, is Mahomes going to really go six and seven? That's, like, kind of been my philosophy with the Chiefs this whole season. I'm like, is Mahomes really going to miss the playoffs? Are they really going to have a losing record? I don't think so. And luckily, we don't have to bet on this game. We don't have to bet on every game. And I don't want to bet on this game because my heart, my brain is telling me to

bet on Houston. My heart says, bet on the homes. Even though betting is live now live in Missouri. That's true But yeah I guess that's a good argument Also for fantasy Mahomes is probably going to run a fuck done

Because he's gonna be scrambling so much But we'll see if they can contain it But the Hughes yeah Yeah it's fair But it's funny though How long are we gonna do that argument though Like well the Chiefs can't go this record And then they just

Yeah you're right You're right no I mean If somebody made me choose If I had to bet the game I would be Houston That's how I feel They need to run the ball So I think Woody Marks is a different He's back at practice today, which is good.

Three and a half is a lot. I was surprised. I think three or two and a half makes a lot more sense. Three and a half is crazy. I think it's because of what you said. It's Chiefs in an elimination game. But I'm like, shit, man, they can lose by a touchdown. The Texans can lose by a field goal and still cover.

I'm like, that's kind of nice. Chiefs need to run the ball. Yeah. Monday night football, Eagles at Chargers. This is a weird game and a lot of things are, a lot of things are going on with like, injuries in this game. This game, I'm just calling it right now.

This game is going to be such a disappointing Monday night product. Everyone is going to have so much weighing on this game and it's going to suck. It's going to be super ugly. It's going to be like an old school Jalen Hertz snooze fest, I think. I think both teams are just going to try to run the ball,

throw the ball, get it out of Herbert's hands quickly. Herbert has... Hands or hands since one of this broken? Get it out of his one hand quickly. So Herbert broke a bone in his hand. It hit a helmet. He had surgery on Monday. Monday. There's now a plate in his hand and it looks like he's going to play. I think he's going to play.

Yep. On the other side of the ball, the Eagles, obviously things aren't going great. Jalen Carter, the defensive tackle is not playing. He had surgery on both shoulders, which God, football. Dude, we do just throw around surgery all the time. If your friend just got surgery on both shoulders one day, you would be so concerned. I'm like, damn. High Fitz is like five minutes ago. was like Jane Dale, he's fine. Don't worry about it. Dislocated elbow? Fine, whatever.

I just kind of think that like no one's going to have a good fantasy day. I think, oh, Marion Hampton and Vidal, like I think Herbert out of the pistol, handing the ball off, I don't know. I don't really trust any of that. I think the receivers, I think the only one you should start is Ladd McConkey. I don't trust Quentin Johnston or Keenan Allen. I don't, the chargers have been super stingy against the past this year, especially recently. been really, really good. They play like too high shell. Everything that the Chargers do is like

limit deep shots down the field. And Jalen hurts, anytime he throws the ball deep, it is like these deep shots down the sidelines. He does not throw over the middle and the Chargers' offense defense is like kind of forcing you to do that. I just think this game is going to be like, can we run the ball? Can we limit turnovers on both sides? And it's going to be like 17 to 13 is what I think. Yeah, I can see that. Hampton coming back, the rookie running back, they took in the first round for the charges and then he's like, you know, had an ankle fracture and then he's coming back. It's just brutal because Vidal's probably going to split time with them. How much is either one going to play? Are they going to ride the hot hand? Like you said, Hyvitz with running back,

it's like if Hampton looks good, maybe they play him a lot. If he doesn't look good, I know, I'm more conservative with injuries than most people, but to D.K.'s point about Bucky Irving, at least Bucky Irving started all last year and was great for the Buccaneers. Amirnhampton, what did he play? Like five games, six games? Before he broke his ankle? I'm like, he's a rookie. Yeah. Played like six games. How much is he realistically going to play? I have no idea, but it's Monday, and that sucks, but I, like, you know, it's, and it also crazy if you, Camani Vidal, who's had like, like, every other week, he's been good. I just think the Chargers, it's like, with Herbert's hand, I think they're going to try to

run the ball as best they can. Chicago just torts Philly on the ground running for over 200 yards. I think they're, LA's going to try to run the ball out of the pistol. So Herbert doesn't have to do that much. And when Herbert does throw, I think it's going to be like short, quick stuff. And I'm kind of just like, this is a really ugly game. And I didn't, it's hard to trust anything going on in Philly. I mean, you're playing AJ Brown, but to that point, D.K., I feel like if Herbert does play, I don't think they'll be under center very much because I don't think the exchange, I, maybe, I don't, I guess I'm not a doctor, but I don't know if he's going to be taking the ball from under center with a plate in his fucking hand. It's, it's different because he's now, he had the

surgery, but after he heard his hand last week, he took zero snaps under center for the rest of yeah. I think either way, I know the Eagles just allowed 280 180 rushing yards to the bears, which, by the way, was Rich Rebar at Sharp, the most incredible stats. The 280-1 rushing arts to the Bears was the most of Vic Fangio-coordinated defense had allowed since 2005. Wow. Having said that, I don't really feel that the Chargers can necessarily do that the way the Chicago did. I would agree with that. Even if there's no Jalen Carter.

I just, I don't know. I just think this game is going to be nasty. And we're going to be hoping for like Justin Herbert versus Jalen Hertz. and it's going to be a letdown. And also, I think it's a rare game where it's funny just, I mean, this is funny, sometimes the fantasy where you're right. A lot of people have a lot of players in this game, especially the rare one where Ladd Baconki, Keenan Allen, Quentin Johnson, and even a Ronda Gadsden the tight end are all

good enough and have had good enough weeks that people might put them in their flex. Yeah. But you also have a quarterback who just, I mean, got surgery in his other hand like five days ago and it's just going to be funny that you need them to do something against the Eagles. So, AJ, it's kind of, yeah. Also, again, Seiquan, who has under 60 yards like nine times this year. You don't suck if it if Trey Lance ends up starting. Oh, my God.

Well, on that note, if you have charges in this game, you got to put them in your flex. You can't keep them in your receiver slot because you might have, you might have to bench them. If it turns out that Lance is playing. Yeah. I think Herbert's going to play. I mean, I do. But I'm just saying like, you know. He's going to play with like a like a stiff glove.

Like a hand cast? Yeah, like an oven mitt. By the way, I, sorry, wait, one last stat on this game because I think A.J. Brown hurts drama. Eagles offensive coordinators, Kevin Petool's, his house got egged. You know, Jalen Hertz and A.J. Brown, you know, all this stuff. And I had my rant earlier this week where I think that the short version of this whole Eagles thing, you're like, what's going on with them is just when Nick Siriani hires the coordinators to run his offense.

It sucks. And then they fire them. And the Eagles fire their own coordinator. And then they make the Super Bowl. And then Serrion is like, I made the Super Bowl when I hire the coordinators and then they suck. And that's why every other year, it's like this. A stat that I think really encapsulates that, that I was shocked when I was, I was trying to figure out how bad certain offenses were. And I like stuff rate, which is just matches the eye test as a football watcher.

Like, how often does it run gain zero or negative yards? And the number one teams you get, the most, the quarter of the time, the Raiders are number one. The, that makes sense. The Browns are number two. The Eagles are third. Man. Almost one out of every four, and this is just running back runs too.

You filtered our quarterbacks and receivers and jet sweeps. Running back carries, almost a quarter of the Eagles running back carries this season gained zero yards or lost yardage. The Eagles have gone three plays and then punt the ball on a league high, 31% of their possessions.

Dude, they're leading the league in three and outs. More than Tennessee. What? That's crazy. That is wild. This game's going to stink. If all this, after talking about, this is going to be a bard burner. It's going to be 54 to 51.

I hope it is. Speaking of which, all right, we're going to get to the Ringer 107. Today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by Fandul. We're doing this competition against all the other podcasts here at the Ringer, picking five games a week against the spread. And we are in a very, we're kind of like the NFC North where we're in first place, but it's not really impressive for anybody involved. Yeah, we're like the Steelers.

Us, our show versus Bill and House is like Steelers Ravens this week. Exactly, yeah, exactly. And I don't want to know who's who. What is this really for? Yeah. So speaking of bad, Craig, we both send each other some games, and I think we both picked five or six

and we didn't have any overlap, which is the odds of that statistically are astonishing. What are you talking about? I see a bunch. Did we both have the Steelers? We both have the Colts. Oh, okay. Yeah, what do you want?

What do you want? You said Houston, you just made a case against Houston. You just made this passionate case to not take the Texans. But I said if I had to bet it, I would bet Houston. Okay. All right. Well, what do they get?

Which of these are your favorite, though? To be fair, you said, we don't have to bet this game. We don't have to. But if I had to, that's what I'm writing down the bets I would make. Okay. I can't believe in defending hyphets here, Craig. But you just said, let's not bet this game. I said, luckily, we don't have to bet it.

Okay. So what do you want to bet? Okay. Seattle minus seven. Steelers plus five and a half. Well, DeK, what do you think of Seattle? Give me a winning by touchdown. Yeah.

It's six and a half right now. Did we get it locked in? It's seven. Damn. The numbers Bill Sentos, if that's what it is, it's seven. That stinks. I mean, I'm fine with that. Yeah.

I like that. I kind of want to bet the bucks minus eight and a half to beat the Saints at home. And then the Colts playing the Jacks, minus one and a half. I kind of want to bit the Coles too. Daniel Jones has broken fucking leg. I'm kind of like, you know what, screw it. At least now it's not like we don't have. the, oh, I can't believe I bet on Daniel Jones to beat Patrick Mahomes. It's like, all right,

this is Trevor Lawrence versus Daniel Jones. Like, I'm perfectly fine betting on Daniel Jones. I kind of feel that way too. All right. So we have cold Steelers, commanders box. What's the fifth game? Hyford, do you want to make the case for Chicago or no? I mean, for Cream Bay or no. Well, I think everything I'm saying is built into it because it's like a seven point. The Packers are supposed to win by a touchdown. But I mean, the case is simple. It's just the Bears have been within range of that, of losing a game like that, like every single goddamn weak. Like the bear the bear's whole season has been by the skin of their teeth and the hair on their nuts. And the like the Packers, you've never heard that. I've never heard that

expression. I've only heard skin and your teeth. It feels like you never heard that. The second half. I think you made that. That's in an M&M song from like 20 years ago. Oh really? What is that? Cinderella man. Oh yeah. I guess that's 10 years ago 15. Shout out Cinderella man. Great song. You know what I thought we should do for ringing one or seven. That would be really funny is Every week, we should just take the opposite of another team. Like, the other four teams in this competition, because we all have a losing record, we should just take the opposite of them every week and see if we could win.

Should we do that? But do we don't know their bets until it's all locked? Maybe I could finagle that. Oh, stop. Just go and find Bill's picks and we just flip it. How hilarious would it be? We just took the opposite of Bill and House for the rest of the season. I kind of think that's great.

I'm down. That's really funny. You want me to try to get those picks? Because I send them into somebody and I could try to see like, what were these guys picks? And then we just take the opposite. Screw it. That would be really everyone's under five under. That'd be incredible. Okay. But if you can't get them, these are the five bets we're taking. Okay.

All right. I've wanted to spin a wheel and just pick five and see if the wheel would beat us. And it'll be like, Titans getting three. We're like, all right. I mean, spinning a wheel is essentially flipping a coin and we have been worse than flipping a coin. Let the world decide. Should we, if we're in a position. to win. Can we make a pact? Because we're in first still. If we are in position to win,

yeah, I guess it's not week 18, it goes to Super Bowl. It's not as fun. But part of me, week 18, part of me wants to commit that with the season on the line, we will just fucking flip a coin and just roll it. Yeah. Yeah. We can do for the entire playoffs if we want. Fuck, should we let my cat pick the rest of the season? Dude, also the playoffs is going to be one of the hardest playoffs to bet in years. So we might as well just say, we should do that. We just, we just do like one of can my cat pick the thing? Yeah, why not?

Kind of like email. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you've an idea of how we should pick the ringer 107 for the blouse. I want to hear that. The most random way we can do it. I like that. We'll get an octopus.

He can pick the World Cup or whatever. All right. So we're going with the cults to beat the Jags. Steelers to lose by less than six for the Ravens. Washington just has to beat the Vikings or lose by one. Bucks have to beat the Saints by nine or more.

Seahawks have to beat the Falcons my touchdown. Today's Ringer 1-07 is brought to by Fandle, odd subject to change. Okay. Only thing I want to mention here as we leave, the emails, Instagrams, too. First of all, thank you to everybody where we're on there, Spotify rap. That was awesome. Yeah. It was crazy to thank you.

I don't know how some people listen to 26,000 minutes of us this year, but that's pretty cool. Is that the eyes that we saw so far this year? I think I've seen some. I think so. I got a 26,000. That was like 0.001%. What was your guy's highlight of rap? What was your listening age?

What was your top artist? It was listening age was old because I do 70. I think a lot of people are mad about this because mine was like 66 or something. Mine was 71 and I was proud of it. People, but I think people were like, why am I 70? I don't get it. But it's like, well, yeah, it's like Craig's listening to the BGs over here. Fuck yeah, yeah.

Wait, what were your rap? So I got to tell you saying, my rap was my number one song this year was Misty Mountains because I picked my friend and his baby up from the airport. and we had to drive two hours back from traffic in Newark and I played Misty Mountains for four hours. The only issue with RAPT is that if you throw your, like you should almost be able to like turn off Rapt mode or like RAPT tracking because when you play a play like a playlist

for five hours when your friends are over or something like that and you just like throw on some mix. It tracks all of those and factors that into your listening. It's like less deliberate listening, you know? But it shows you, yeah, I feel like it's just a reminder. Eliminate the outliers. D.K. What was your wrapped? I was 83 years old for my age because I listened to a lot of jazz when I'm working and making

dinner. Yeah. And let's see here. I had basically my top artists were all basically non-lirical music that I can listen to while I'm working because I can't. If there's lyrics in the music when I'm working, I like can't focus. So it was like half jazz and then half like lofi beats and stuff. Yeah.

See, I want to know. That's really boring. I know. I want to know when you're not cooking or working, that's the wrapped I want to know. So Craig, what's yours? My artists or my songs? Both.

Let's do it. Let's do the artist first. Crungbin, the Alman Brothers, Abba, Sabrina Carpenter, and Dochi? Dogey was two for me. Yeah, because I listen to a lot of the newest Sabrina Carpenter album. My top songs were songs by Gordon Lightfoot, number one. Alman Brothers. Gordon Lightfoot?

Yeah, I love Gordon Lightfoot. What song? What? Lightfoot, you're number one artist? I would never have guessed that in one million years. Yeah, dude, Gordon Lightfoot's fucking awesome and sundowns a great song. What? Number two is ain't wasted no more, ain't wasting time no more by the Almond brothers. Number three is Old Man by Neil Young, awesome song. Number four is Gentle on My Mind by Glenn Campbell, great song. And then cracklin Rosie by Neil Diamond. Wow. Craig, you are

just your multitudes, you know, you're just an interesting guy. You know? Gordon Lightfoot, number one song. Don't disparage him. I'm not saying anything's wrong with that. I literally just would never have guessed that. I actually think. You could have given me all the bands in the world.

He would probably be the last. Yeah. Gordon Lightfoot, really? Okay. No, it's nothing against Gordon Lightfoot. I confuse Gordon Lightfoot with, you've never expressed an interest in Gordon Lightfoot to I confuse Gordon Lightfoot with Flash Gordon. Oh, okay.

Sometimes I thought Gordon Lightfoot when you said it first. And it was like from that show that family guy always talks about. The Gordon, Gordon Lightfoot did the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald song. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was all over the news lately because there was just like a anniversary for that. Okay, now I remember Gordon Lightfoot. I apologize to everyone scream at me.

Yeah, that song. That's become a meme. And it's like hats now. Let's say that. Yeah. Yeah. The gales. He's known as Canada's Bard.

So that's what it says here. That's what I read. Is that how like Tom Brady's nickname's Tom Terrific? Do you know the song? The Farrow? No. Not a wonderful song. All right.

Well, I'll listen to you. We should do the rap party. Mine was honestly just a bunch of Kendrick. My number one artist was Kendrick Lamar, I think, because I listened him for months after the Super Bowl. And then honestly, Dochi was my number two. Because after Dochi was at the Grammys and gave the great speech, and then I listened to a fucktona Dochi and Dochi is awesome. And so actually, I had denials of my top is Misty Mountains.

Isle of River and then Catfish by Dochi and then also not like us and TV off by Kendrick. Very first half of this. What were your other artists outside of Dochi and Kendrick? I add Kendrick was one, Dochey's two, Flume was three, Westside Gun is four and Olivia Rodriguez was five. I do wonder how many people have West Side Gun and Olivia Rodriguez in the same top five. Who is West Side Gun? West Side Gun is a rapper who I love.

He is from Buffalo, but I just. love he just I don't know he's just fucking awesome okay and he's uh just a very new york style rapper he's very loud and does a lot of sounds that he's fucking awesome that's fun and he makes a ton of like he does a ton albums like he doesn't stop fucking making music there's so much fucking west side gun what was your guys top podcast and if it's not bill simmons you're fired uh it was ours actually i listen back to our podcast sometimes it was actually the ari-emmanuel gordon lightfootch uh podcast mine was bill big pick plain english Oh, yeah, plain English was on there for me.

Yeah, Derek. Shout out, Derek. Shout out, Derek. His show's so good. One day I want to convince you guys, we're going to have Derek Thompson, one of the smartest people I've ever met on, and we're going to have him talk about nothing. We're just going to name baseball players until someone to have him. You had me and tell the baseball player thing.

You don't have to convince me to have Derek Thompson. I love that. I just want to find him to talk about anything smart. I want to just name baseball players until we can't anymore. I was listening to Derek Thompson the other day and he interviewed Ken Burns and then I went and I started watching the American Revolution. Ken Burns is new. Is it good or really boring or both? So far it's like Ken Bernsey.

It's like very slow and just like the way that it's visually set up, it's like very different than everything that's new now. It's like a lot of like pictures, old paintings and stuff. while you have like voiceovers. So it's a little slow, but it's very interesting to me. Dude, honestly, Ken Burns ripped the beginning of his pod with Derek Thompson's amazed. Ken Burns just, his pitch on why the American Revolution is sick is, it's like the most concise 60 seconds.

Yeah, his pitch is basically it's the most important revolution ever. He said it's the most important event since the birth of Jesus Christ. Yeah. And that it's an American Revolution layered on top of a civil war that was also the fourth World War with the prize being North America on top. And it's like his pitch on the American Revolution. He's like basically like we've sanitized it and like this squeaky clean polished thing. He's like it was bloody.

And he was like, photographs from it. It's just all paintings. It's all paintings. He's like it was radical. It's all cloice box shit. I know. It's fucking paintings.

I want to, I'm going to watch it actually this weekend too. I'm going to try. But like I, how long is it? It's like 12 hours long? It's long. But haven't you,

have you ever watched any of the Ken Byrds documentary? I actually don't think I have. I watched the Central Park 5. They're long and very, very in depth. He, like, explores stuff from a whole bunch of different perspectives and stuff. I think it's very interesting. It is a little bit slow. Yeah.

I thought the other thing that was interesting that Ken Burns said, and this is something that Derek kind of picked up on too, is that he said George Washington was arguably the richest man in America at the time and, like, was leading the fucking troops into battle. Lived in a tent for three years. And it's like with Jeff Bezos. He was out Valley Forge. Meanwhile, all the leaders we have now are just going to pick up and just fucking go to Mars are just like have created a fucking island

They're not sure if it's good for the human race to continue Yeah Peter Thiel is like do you want the human race to continue? Oh well talking about like the anti-crice you're like what? Some guy made the TikTok or the video of just like all right Peter like we got this easy layup question for you like you're gonna nail it. Do you want the human race to continue? To exist? He's like well it depends what you mean.

exactly by continue to exist. All you pores? Not so much. If I can put my soul into a clanker, then yes. So that I can live forever. How do you define a human being? If the people on earth right now can live forever, if that's what you mean, yes.

It's essentially I think what he's saying. He's like, well, if I want to live forever. So does that mean the human race continues if it's just me? The other thing about that is so funny is that the name of Peter Thiel's company that is now has all these contracts is Palantir.

And Palantir is literally the crystal ball that Saraman has in fucking Lord of the Rigs. That like they use, like literally like the ball that sour, like Lord of the Rigs, Sauron, Satan, Bilsabub fucking uses. That's like, it's on their side. By the way, I'm going to make a pledge

this Christmas holiday season. I'm going to watch all three Lord of the Rings movies. Oh, no. Oh, nice. Craig, I can send you a, I can send you a link to a, somebody did like a whole food menu for binge watching the Lord of the Rings. I don't think, I'm all right. You're scaring him. You're scaring him.

You're the fucking scaring him. You're the one that makes bread. What? No, but it's, it's, that's like a super fan. You're going to weird them out. Be chill. Be cool. What do I got to do I have to like drink like?

No, don't worry about. Just eat good food. I don't get it. What's the, is it associated with the movie? It's just like here's good food you should eat. You know, like sometimes Hobbits have like seven or eight different meals a day and it's a play on that.

Ah. You'd have to, you don't think I'm going to watch some movies anymore. No! I'm just kidding. Holidays is the perfect time for Lord of the Rings. I'm never, I'm never fucking listening to any of your fucking diatribes

on bread again. What are you saying? You wanted to make Lord of the Rings themed food? I thought that you'd be excited about eating good food. That's all. You're looking at me like I'm crazy. I think what we're saying, saying is we can barely get him to watch the movies and you want him to cook

living themed food I don't actually care if you adding Hobbit themed food while I watch it I'm like all right let's get through the first one let me get to the two buildings I actually I actively don't want you to watch the movies anymore you don't deserve them okay before you watch this three-hour movie make a make a maybe a hot themed bread Craig is talked to us about how he makes popcorn for like 15 minutes straight all right I thought he liked food watching movies and food. I don't think you're... I'm sorry. Okay.

Make some popcorn. How about that? Okay. Okay. Jeez. You're so upset. I was joking that I don't want homework, culinary homework, before I watch these movies, but I can do that. If it's very simple, maybe I'll do it. You can do whatever you want. That's right. You can make any combination of foods. Liz's families, they are giant Lord of the Rings fans. Her brothers watch them

every, like every month, so I need to do it. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com to figure out, help us figure out how we're going to make content out of this. We've got to figure this out. Yeah, holidays are the perfect time. It's also the only time all year where anyone has like 12 extra hours to watch the fucking Lord of the Rings or whatever. Okay.

I think that's probably all we got. We even get to talk about this raccoon that broke into the liquor story of Virginia. We'll get to it. Sunday. Okay. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Kai.

I think you, Ron. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, Austin. Thank you to everyone email to us. Ring your Fantasy Football, Gmail.com. Email us, Lord of the Rings ideas. Email us. Reviews of Ken Burns' documentary and review a and email us also.

What was the thing we wanted? I can't remember now. Don't know. Whatever that was I asked for. Email us that too. And rankings are fancy football. Dotterrera.com. We will update those on Sunday.

Also, we'll try to account for things we'll know Sunday. wind and rain and what fucking, you know, whether they're going to get snow and wind in a green bay. We'll try to, you know, account for all that too. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Lavee, C-Fray. Lobby C-free?

Yeah. Lave. How do you say that? I believe it's lobby, see-free. Seafree. I told D.K. to shout him out because I was really upset that he didn't make my rap. I love this guy. Oh, okay.

There's two songs. Bless the telephone is like the most beautiful song I've ever heard in my life. And he's this British. dude he's like he's like in his abies now but um he's wonderful and i highly okay lobri see for it this that's okay lobri see free bless the telephone genre like a jet like jazz no it's like i don't want this to sound lame but it's like a cool way to say love songs but i can't um they're like very like slow romantic kind of like nat king cole like but that's not right But it's hard to describe music sometimes.

Yeah. D.K., you actually, there's a whole lobby C-Fray related menu, and you can make that menu before you listen to the song. Sounds actually lovely. Thank you for that suggestion. I'm going to do that. Yeah. The other good one is crying, laughing, loving, lying is a great song.

All right. I listen to those. You should. Cool. It's kind of like George Cattle and Miles Garrett. Thanks for those recommendations. I really appreciate it. Yeah.

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