The Ringer NFL Show - Week 15 Recap: Josh for MVP, Mahomes Hobbled, Taylor Bobbled, Baker the Kingmaker, and DK Won the Fish Toss

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 15 action by going through categories such as “Who Won Week 15?,” “Intrusive Thoughts,” and “The Lucille Bluth Award” (3:55). Later, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn Book (102:15). Winners and Losers (12:43) The Oppenheimer Award (42:49) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (53:33) Shit the Bed (58:13) Intrusive Thoughts (75:52) Play of the Day (82:38) The Tyrique Stevenson Worst Play of the Day (89:36) The Arthur Smith Award (92:44) Worst Ref Moment (96:17) The Lucille Bluth Award (99:55) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are going over all the games from Sunday of Week 15. There is a ton to get to today. First we have to get to Seahawks Packers where the Seahawks lost. A really crazy game, and there's a ton to get to, but the real thing we have to get to. The real story is the fish toss. We're not going to start with just the biggest winner of the day, Danny Kelly. Yeah. So I think the winner of the week is Danny Kelly where I would be honest, my weekend was a lot better because of that poll. Thank God I did that poll.

So it's like DK gets one win and we all freak out. Like come on, act like you've been here before. Yeah. Jeez, you won one poll. So we had a large argument on Friday. I would say the largest argument we've had in literally months, basically that. The largest argument we've had since the great pasta debate, which was only like three months ago. But yeah. Anyway.

The pasta incident. Craig and I lost the, it was the. It was the whole argument whether they do the fish toss as B-roll for Seattle during the game. And we did a poll on whether that was, you knew the fish toss was the thing during Seahawks games. And Craig and I kind of, we kind of were like the Kamala Harris campaign. We lost every imaginable demographic. It was pretty incredible. DK won the poll 75% to 25.

He won the popular vote and the electorate. We got the most votes in the history of the show. It was quite the turnout. Yeah, big turnout. Fuckers were signing up for Spotify. so they can hate vote against you guys in this. You know what? I'm going to shout them out because I think it's hilarious.

Shout out to Howard. Howard, you literally don't listen on Spotify and you're like, I downloaded the app. I reset my password because I couldn't remember it just so I could vote in the hole. That's democracy, baby. God, I love that. Yeah, so that was pretty brutal. That was absolutely brutal.

And again, it was about whether, if you're wondering what this is, don't worry. It was really dumb. But I knew it was bad when the East Coast votes rolled in. And the whole, it was 75% the whole time. I was awake when it was fine. 500 votes and that was purely international Australians, English and the East Coast

and it was 75% and it held for like the whole time. So, um, yeah. We're still waiting for a couple more votes to trickling. Yeah, we're waiting on the precinct. Yeah, waiting on the precincts. They're tabulating in California still. I don't know why they fucking takes so long to vote. I know the California

ballots of forever. I'm going to sue the polling tech people at Spotify for sure. Exactly. So we're still working on that. So did we ever say what the poll results were? Yes. No. Okay. He said 75. Just checking. I would say like the fish, it's kind of still a toss-up. So anyway.

DK. Well, and they showed it for like the longest, I feel like they've ever showed it. Oh, my God. They made a whole graphic around it. That was not very long. No. The guy threw it back. They probably threw it six times back and forth.

Not that I counted. It was 29 seconds. It was pretty long. It was like really long. Awkward. It got awkward there for a while. It was a little awkward. I felt like they were rubbing it in.

Anyway. It was more time than the Seahawks were winning. I think he, what's his name? Not Collinsworth the other guy. Tricco he was like and of course we have to come to the Pike Place Market. His name? Of course. Of course.

It's the Pike Place Market. So Packers rocked Sealks tonight. 30 to 13. That's a silver lining for a high of the fish toss. The fish toss is the only reason I'm not like so sad right now. I was going to say it's funny where it's like you want and you're the winner and loser the night. It's weird because this game is both

really encouraging for Green Bay, discourage for Seattle. Seattle also had a chance to win. I feel like in some ways this was the most affirming game of the season for Seattle because Gino Smith got hurt and then Sam Howell came in. It was immediately horrific proving how good Gina Smith was. Right. And like despite winning by 17, Seattle was six minutes left. Very, very, very, very much had a chance to go down and win. Yeah, they're in the game. Immediately throws an interception. D.K., where are you at on this Seahawks season? the Mike McDonald experience

where you're still very much in the race for the NFC West, but you also kind of just got, I feel like this was the Packers smacking you around and clearly being a tier one NFC team and you guys are clearly tier two NFC team.

No, that you kind of stole my line there because I was going to be like, yeah, the outcome of this game and like basically the vibes all around it was like, the Packers are really,

really good. And the Seahks are just like, eh, they're kind of good. You know what I mean? Like, that's how I felt going into this game and that's how it played out

on the, in the game. And honestly, like they were in it late. If Gino had been in, who knows what had happened. I think this is again, like he said, the silver lining is, it is, it's, you know, confirmation or whatever evidence that Gino Smith clearly elevates the people around him and does more with what he has, like, in terms of like the

offense line protection, I think obviously he still makes some bonehead plays that. That pick in the red zone was a backbreaker. But, but yeah, it's tough. And now he's hurt. And I don't know if he's going to be back. the most we know right now is that he has a knee injury. It doesn't sound like it's structurally damaged, but he might miss some time.

It's just it's crunch time. They play the Vikings next week that bears, and then they finish with the Rams, and the Rams are on a freaking tear right now. So I think the Rams look like the favorites in this division, even though I think the Seahawks can still compete for it. It's not over by any means. But this was pretty demoralizing from, you know,

like are we good enough to compete with the really good teams in the NFL? I think the answer is clearly no, not on this one anyway. Yeah, I mean, the Packers, the Packers today, and we'll get to the Lions in a moment, but I think the Packers are just the sneaky Super Bowl team of the year. I mean, Craig's been on, you know, I think, did you pick the Packers to make the playoffs? Or sorry, make the Super Bowl, I mean? I don't think so. I think I was Lions as well.

But the reason why I think that Packers are a little bit underrecognized just like in media is because they're never on television. And I talked about this in like week five. they're just not on prime time. And it's tough because the NFC North is so, you know, everyone is obsessed with what the Lions are doing and the Vikings are such an awesome story. And even like Caleb Williams, there's nothing really like new and sexy in Green Bay.

They're just like really good every week and they're 10 and 4. And they haven't been on prime time a lot. But I totally agree. They're going to be probably the three seed in the NFC north. And I think they're going to be, I mean, if I'm not picking the Lions to make the Super Bowl in the NFC, other than Lions and Eagles, I think I would bet Green Bay. Yeah.

You know what? I'm looking at this. And I got to tell you, I see a huge juxtaposition between Green Bay and Detroit right now. We'll get to the bills in a moment. But the Lions, I got to tell you, I look at these games and fundamentally, I look at Green Bay, I see one of the health, sneakily, one of the healthiest teams in the league, which we didn't think of the whole year because Jordan Love got hurt in the first game of the whole season.

The receivers have been hurt all year. Yeah. But you look at the current team where you have Romeo Dobbs back. I know he's wearing the guardian cap, but Dobbs is back. Watson missed time. He's back. But they're all back. And when they flash that graphic tonight that the package tonight that the pack.

have had two offensive line combinations all season. It's tied for the fewest in the NFL. Dude, they have everybody. That's huge. And then I look at the Lions, and I'm looking at the NFC, and I'm like, the Detroit Lions today, they are down, they entering this week, or maybe it was last week,

they had 13 defenders in injured reserve in Detroit. That's just not what Super Bowl teams look like. Now, that doesn't mean the Lions can't make it, but 13 defenders in I are. And then that was entering today. Today, the Lions lost Alie McNeil, who's their best remaining defensive line. best defender probably.

They lost Carlton Davis for the season, I'm talking. Carlton Davis is their best cornerback. And they also, on top of that, lost another cornerback, Khalil Dorsey. That is three more, like, starting players. That means the line, and they're all probably out for the season. Dan Campbell didn't confirm it, but he was like, probably. I mean, he said, yeah, basically it looks bad. He said they're out for the season.

That is 15 defenders on injured reserve for the Lions, including five of their best six players on defense. That's like, I'm not saying the Lions can't make the Super Bowl, but functionally they're kind of like the Bengals going forward where they're just going to have to win every game 42 to 35. Like there's no defense left in Detroit moving forward. It's a bummer because remember it was probably a month ago when we were like, if the Lions don't win the Super Bowl,

the season is kind of a bust. I don't know if I feel that way anymore because they're so injured. I mean, they have a very, like, real excuse now if things don't work out. Like the game today is going to have to be how they win games. You know what I mean? Like they're going to have to just beat teams 4235 every week because they used to be balanced.

They used to have like a real defense that could pair with their offense. And now I don't know, it's a lot of pressure on God. I mean, Goff had 400 yards and four touchdowns today. He had 500 yards today. So Goff has lost a game when he threw for five touchdowns

and won a game when he threw for five picks. Dude, the tungsten O'Doyle stat of the day was literally Gino Smith. I'm sorry, Jared Goff. first player in NFL history to throw for 400 plus yards, five plus touchdowns, and no interceptions in a loss. First player in history of the NFL. And the irony behind the case, Goff played so well.

And I think Jared Goff did a lot of things. Everyone criticized his golf for for years where, I mean, there was that play where they're down 21. And this is the whole thing with like, oh, well, how are you going to play when you can't just game script and you can't just like do play action and you're down points and you have to do it at a home's like comeback? Pressure right in his face. And Jared Goff ripped a giant, like a 50-yard touchdown pass to James.

and Williams. Man. Holding, called back, first and 20, third and 17. He just throws another touchdown to Oman Ross, St. Brown. They almost come back. We'll get to the Lions later in the show, but just in terms of how that game ended and Dan Campbell, a lot of coaching stuff. But just to button up Sunday Night Football, we've talked about the Lions that's a Super

Bowl favorite and the darling the season for the whole season. And I still think they can do it. I'm not betting against Dan Campbell in the culture. The Lions motto for the season is it takes more. And watching tonight with Sunday Night Football, I was struck. Now it's we need more. We need more. Players.

Yeah, it takes more people. That's the model of the season. More people. Yeah, 15. So I cannot help but think that today specifically was the inflection point of where the Lions and Packers in the season are the trend lines met today. That's really interesting. Yeah.

In reality and in public perception because the Packers, as you said, Craig, won on prime time. And the Lions losing the three of their best four remaining defenders in one or two of their best three in one day, I really do think that I would take the Packers to make the Super Bowl over the Lions as a play now. It's funny that you guys that you're comparing the Lions and the Packers so much, obviously they're in the same division. But I had this thought today when I was watching the Packers.

It was like, the Packers' offense, obviously Le Fleur is an incredible play caller. They get a ton of buy-in from all their guys. Like, there were so many plays where they're doing like an end around or some sort of, you know, like misdirection type play. And you see guys the receivers blocking downfield and like really giving it their all. Like,

this is a really cool offense. I had the thought, like, watching the Packers right now, because they're all, like, under 24 years old, watching them is, like, watching the Lions offense when they were, like,

in high school, you know what I mean? Like, they're not quite there. They're not, like, physically, you know, ready to be in the NFL, and they, like, I think they still have to be, like, more disciplined and everything.

But, like, they're just so close to be in, like, this elite offense. And if they continue to build this core together, like, in the year or, like, next year or the year after, like, this could be, like, the lion type of off.

And the irony is that the Lions, as it stands, started when they beat the Packers at the end of the Aaron Rogers era on a meaningless week 17 game for them. But it started the whole thing. So, yeah, well, life, death, et cetera. Did you know that the Packers are, they came into this game against the CX third DVOA ahead of Buffalo and Philly. They were behind only Detroit and Baltimore. Like, this is a really good Packers. Packers are the sleeping giant. Their defense is coming on a lot better as the season goes on, which they have no stars.

I mean, Xavier McGinnies is like one of their best players. He's not famous. Matt Lafleur is one of the best coaches in the NFL. So, yeah, the Packers are sleeping giant in the NFC. Winners and losers of week 15. I mean, we speak in the lines. The winner of the day is Josh Allen. I think this is literally a month in a row.

I tell me from being hyperbolic. Stop me. I think I realize today that I will tell my grandchildren about Josh Allen. Watch it in live. Dude. the bills beat Detroit 48 to 42. Josh Allen threw for 360 yards. He threw for two touchdowns.

He ran for 60 yards. He ran for another two touchdowns. So in the last two weeks, the bills have 90 points. Josh Allen's accounted for 10 touchdowns. The bills are in the middle. There are eight straight games with 30 points that is tied for the longest streak in NFL history.

I'll say that again. The longest streak tied for the longest streak in NFL history of consecutive 30 point games. We have been saying now for a month, that Josh Allen's probably the MVP, Craig, you've been of the, I was going to say caboose with the head of his train, conducting the train, Josh Allen MVP.

I think that now undersells it. I think Josh Allen's one of the four best football players have ever seen in my entire life. Tom Brady, Patrick Holmes, Peyton Manning, I think Josh Allen's on the list. As one of the four best football players I've ever seen. Period. He is unstoppable.

Where's Kyle Pitts on that list? If you sort and filter like by accident, it's Cadarius Tony and Colpitz are like at the, they come up at the top with you get the arrow the wrong way. Where does Lamar land on this?

I think it's so funny because like right now it's like Lamar versus Allen. Lamar had like one of the greatest games I've ever seen a play today. Like not to take anything away from five touchdowns today and they won by 21

but I think Josh Allen wrapped up MVP. I know. It's a different different. It's a different thing. Like they probably, he didn't need to throw up like Josh Allen needed to do everything he did today in order to win the game.

I know. 100%. I'm not disagreeing. I'm not disagreeing with that. I just think it's like literally like Lamar was like almost perfect. Well, I also think there's a little bit of like Lamar's won two MVPs already. And I think it's like this again, MVP's half a narrative award. My turn.

I think Josh is having a better season than Lamar, but you could argue Lamar is having a better season than last year's MVP. Right. Oh, yeah. We're always prisoners of the moment. But I don't think I've felt this way in the past where I think that we're in a tennis moment where tennis, it just so happened that Federo and Adelaunjokovic were like three of the best five players in the history. tennis and they all overlap for their primes. I think Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Lamar are actually three of the best

six quarterbacks ever. And I know it's hard to compare over arrows. Like I understand that. But at the same time, players are better over time. Like I have respect for Dan Marino. I have respect for John L.A. Josh Allen in many ways is the modern John Lowe. I respect for Johnny Unitas. But like, as Steve Kerr

says, players are better over time. They don't get worse. Josh Allen is like the bet. And Lamar is right there as 1B. I really keep watching. watching Josh Allen. He's a perfect player and there's one stat that to me I keep thinking about. I heard it last week. I can't stop. Josh Allen and Saquan Berkeley were taken in the same draft. Josh Allen has more touchdowns than Sequin Berkeley. I do not mean passing. I mean rushing and receiving combined. Wow. Josh Allen has scored more touchdowns than Seekoine Berkeley.

Damn. He's a quarterback. It's a good stat. That's kind of a sneaky shitty shitty giant's stat right there. Yeah, yeah. All right. You get what I'm saying, though. Totally.

You know how I know, like Josh Allen is one of the greatest football players and will end up being one of the greatest football players ever is like, I think the most, literally like one of the most impressive things I have ever seen or seen this season is like, he did this slide at the end of a run today.

And I was like, that was one of the most impressive athletic things I've ever seen in my life. He slid for like literally 10 yards. And then he like jumped up at the end and like kind of like did like a first down. He wins every play. He's like a creative play in a video game. He wins every play.

And frankly, we're on this stretch. I think it's as memorable a month as I can remember a player having between he outplayed Mahomes in the Chiefs, beat them. I don't even remember that. Niners in the snow epic.

The week he got engaged. And then last week with the Rams Bills game that they should have won. And then this week, and I'm like, I don't even know. Like there's an 07 month with Brady, I guess, Peyton in 2013. That month, that month Derek Henry

had like a hundred points. Todd Gurley had a month. I'm like, there were very few months where a player, I think was more memorable. Also, the play that didn't even count

when he like flipped it. Chess pass. Like the chess pass. Oh, my God. And he not only did he chess pass. He chest passed and then like Steph who was just like hit clay in the corner and turned around

because he knew was it. King Cade was going to catch it. Yeah. Not only that. He also had 40 plus fantasy points today again. He's had the best two weeks stretch in fantasy history. Last week he had the best day in fantasy history. Can I correct you on that?

Sure. Tristan Cockroff did he have the stat. Josh Allen has 93 points in the last two weeks. I already know who it's going to be. Which is the fifth most across any two games span. It's the most among quarterbacks though. Yeah, yeah, fine. But Craig, do you know in the history of the NFL since 1950,

do you know who has the most fantasy points in a two-game stretch? Josh Allen is fifth. Cloist box. Yes. Literally, yes. Cloise box. not his brother Boyce

Not his wife Fern Clorne Fern Fox Fern was so proud of him Clown Byrne just over there fawning on the sideline

She made him the biggest Peacamp pie after Should we go through the wikip Wait we have to explain this to people Would you listen to So Cloy's box If you go to his Wikipedia His Wikipedia is pictures of painting

What team was he on? I don't even remember The Lions Was he? The Frankford Yellow Jackets. The Lions Sentitals.

No, what was he on, actually? I don't know. He went from West Texas A&M. Pittsburgh Pirates? The Dodgers. He went to the Lions.

Bobby Lane. Oh, okay. Oh, my God. And Baltimore Colts. Oh, yeah. He had the most fantasy points ever. In 1951, he went to the Korean War. Do you think there were people playing?

Team U.S. Do you think there were people playing fantasy in the 60s, like, low-key? No, no, no, he was invented in, like, 1962. That's why the stats are kind of, it doesn't matter, though. Plus Box is a veteran. Do you guys think, you know what's cool about Josh Allen is, I don't know if people were ever going to turn on him, like the non-Buffalo people, just other fans. I think people have turned on Mahomes.

I don't know if people could turn on Allen. Like, no matter how many Super Bowls they win, how many MVP's he wins, I just think he's, likeable. I don't know if he can turn heel. Fast forward to August and High Fitz's take purge. I think people are going to turn on Josh Allen. Maybe that maybe that's the right take. But I just think he's so lovable.

I'm not sure he could be a heel. I like that, yeah. Anyone could be a heel these days. However, I think you're right in that if you were to draft really famous players that you think people would turn on, Josh Allen would. He's very low.

Yeah. So anyway, Josh, he's the winner. He's the winner of the football season, to be honest. It's, yeah, they just need it with the Super Bowl. And again, I would love to watch the Lions Bill Super Bowl. Also, the bills, I heard a stat today that the only other time a team has scored 40 points and given up 40 points in back-to-back games was the 1966 New York Giants. Dude. And the bills did that last two weeks.

Yeah, just don't say that word in front of it. Yeah, shredded by Cloyce. Cloyce is shredding the Giants. All right. So yeah, bills are the winner. Line to the loser. The D.K. who else is your loser for today? I had Anthony Richardson

slash Jonathan Taylor slash the Colts slash basically everyone who drops the ball before the goddamn goal line. How does this keep happening? Has it ever happened

twice in a week? I don't know. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. He's a running back. This is a receiver-ass move from a running back. Or like a punt returner.

Yeah, punt returner, defenders. The other guy who did it was a safety. Running backs crossed the goal line all the time. especially Jonathan Taylor he scored so many touchdowns it's like usually I haven't been there before thing

and I will say Deshawn Jackson invented this he did it in prime time his rookie year but that was November this was the fantasy playoffs people had never had to forget also by the way the context of that play is pretty funny not like I'm saying this is how the game would have gone

if he hadn't have fumbled at that point so wait can you please recap the play DK It was a 41-yard touchdown. It was going to be like a... He broke a run. I think it was like 50 yards. I can't remember off the top of my head how long it was. It was a really long, very impressive run.

Basically let go of the ball right before passing the goal line and it ended up being a touchback because the ball fell into the end zone out of bounds. So no points, in other words. If you're going to let go of the ball, do you go forward or backwards? You toss it behind you or you toss it forward? I think the answer is you're blacking out. I think the answer is like you're just not like there's no memory.

Like you don't. If you go backwards, you at least give your team a chance to recover it. Maybe that's the move. You go backwards. I have a question. Is it even cool when you like cross the goal line and you just drop the ball? Like why do people keep doing this? I think well, because it's supposed to be like, it's supposed to be like there's,

I am so far away from the next defender that I can drop the ball. Like I'm so secure in this touchdown that I can just drop the ball. I think is like the mindset. I also take a key part of it is you have so much time to realize. you're going to score that like you actually get to think about it. You actually start like by the time it's like you know when a guy drops a catch because he's so open that he starts thinking about what movie's going to make. Like I think that you start thinking about what you're going to celebrate at the five yard line

because you like totally you literally slow down at the five and you start the celebration early. And so like you get to the one. It's because you've been thinking about no one like does this when there's people around. It's only when you have like clear runway. I just can't believe how often this has happened. It is the most inexplicable thing I've ever heard of. Why are you letting go the ball? Just carry it.

It doesn't make any difference whatsoever if you carry another yard. It makes no difference. I'm trying to think of an equivalent, like in everyday life or even in casual sports. I'm trying to think of something I can relate to this to. And I can't. I don't know. For the context of the play, so if he would have just held onto it for another yard, the Colts would have gone up at that point 20 to 6.

instead after that fumble the Broncos rattle off 24 straight points 31 to 13. The doors blown off them yeah. And the Colts playoff odds basically did the exact same thing. Like the Colts losing means they're like a 15% chance to make the playoffs. Now if they would have won, it would have been 75. You never want to blame a loss on a single player, especially when you lost by more than one score. However, the vibes did in fact crater.

And to your point, D.K., you also mentioned Anthony Richardson. And this was, to your point, this was basically a playoff game for everything we mentioned on the front, where basically the good, the coach one. Anthony Richardson is a winner

because what Jonathan Taylor completely took the pressure off. He played fucking terrible. Dude, shout out he did the 17 for 38. Yeah, he did the Fettie Wop. Yeah.

17, he did the Fettie Wop, which you don't ever want as a completion like your completions and attempts. You never want a FETIWOP your attempts. You don't want that in any way in football. There's no scenario

in which 1738 is good. 17 carries 38 yards. is bad. It's never good. Maybe if you win 30 to 17, like, yeah, you don't, you don't want a fetty wop. So Anthony Richardson Fettywopped, it kind of looked worse than the 44% completion looks to the box score. He's just so, when he misses, he misses so terribly.

Yeah. It's one of those things. He's kind of like a new, you know, he's new quarterback? He's kind of like a new golfer. Like, he reminds me of like my friend Jackson, who's like a wicked, like good athlete learning to play golf. And it's like, when he hits it, I'm like, fuck, you can hit a 320. Yeah.

But like, most of the time, he does it. Yeah. It's like a football player. My brother-in-law is a football player whenever he plays golf, one out of every five, he fucking crushes it. I'm like, dude,

if you ever figured this out, you will be the greatest golfer of all times. How many times you played? Never, it's my first time. It's my first time. That's how I feel by Anthony Richardson. I think he's the strongest quarterback I've ever seen.

Legit. I think he's number one. He's too strong. Dude, every week there's a play. Today, he got sacked three times on one play and just threw the guy off of him each time

and somehow got a pass off. Nobody can do it. shout out to someone who I don't know if they want me to name them so I'm going to not name them but someone pointed out to me today a thing about Anthony Richardson that I has really hit something I've been noticed and I haven't been put a name on Anthony Richardson

is way too comfortable throwing passes while guys are holding him like defenders mid-tack like Anthony Richardson does he even notice like he doesn't like I've never seen a quarterback try to throw more frequently while people

are actively trying to tackle him he's like a dad at like a three year old birthday party. All the kids are just hanging all over him. He's just picking him off one by one. I think that he probably did that a lot in high school where like he was so much bigger than everyone that he could like stiff arm a defensive end who he's larger than and just throw and make it that like he tries to do that in the NFL. Like that doesn't work.

But he like so it's like he almost he doesn't seek contact. But it isn't really avoided as much as he should. It's like weird. Like he's in the pocket and he's like, oh, it'll be fine. It'll be fine. It'll throws anyway. like, what are you doing? Anyway, I'm a little worried about him. He's the worst quarterback who I thoroughly enjoy watching every week.

Yeah, I always, I want him to start for 10 years because he's so fun to watch. Yeah, I don't want him to go away, but it's really, yeah, I mean, meanwhile, Bo Nicks, 130 yards, three touchdowns, three picks. This was like, he played a wild ass game. Dude, this is the, I don't know how all both these quarterbacks coming off of by had the worst games I've seen the play all year. well, Richardson, he's had some tough ones. But this was the worst game. Don't know, I'm like, you know, bye. I don't know what the hell.

But yeah, Broncos 1-31-13. So the Broncos won while we're here. AFC playoff race is like over, which is nuts for the most part. I know the Chargers ended up getting crushed, but still, it's probably going to be three teams in the AFC West, charges Broncos chiefs, probably. And then it's going to be Texans winning the AFC South, Chiefs winning the AFC West, Bill's winning the AFC East. Like, we have the seven teams. It's December 16th, right now. Steelers, yeah.

Yeah, sorry, Steelers Ravens. like we know the teams we'll see the seeds but like we know the teams i i've been doing this seven or no i've been doing football 10 years i can't ever remember like knowing the playoff teams three weeks left to go yeah i mean honestly it's a it's a blessing for the chiefs i feel like that they're going to be able to rest mahomes i think because mahomes hurt his ankle today and it didn't look good and my guess is it doesn't look like he's going to play next week there's like a chance he doesn't play again until the playoffs i was going to say yeah so my loser is the chiefs because dude, so Mahomes got a high ankle sprain up 14 points in the fourth quarter.

Brutal. And so the Chiefs, look, they ended up winning 21 to 7. And I will say, the caveat to all this, every year Mahomes has a serious lower leg injury, the Chiefs win the Super Bowl. True. But he dislocated his Patelor attended 2019 that won the Super Bowl. Two years ago, Eagles, he had high ankle sprain,

ran for fucking 44 yards in the Super Bowl with high ankle sprain, the same injury. But how many things can you pile on to this goddamn team? And like, when he was like being lifted off the, I don't know, I don't know about you guys, but when you're watching football and you see Mahomes limping, doesn't time stop? Oh, yeah. It's very scary. I just, and so my intrusive thought was like, when I saw him limping, I was like, oh, fuck, what if this whole thing, like, was, is over immediately.

Yeah, no, because it is like so monumental, like, season changed. Like, oh, the story of the season just changed. Era changing. All these characters, we talk about our characters in the home story. And I saw him lipping off today. I was like, fuck, what if he peaked? Okay. I'm not saying he did.

I'm not saying he did or I think that Well actually no I'm saying I thought that like a thought fluttered across my mind It was like oh my god what if like this is over and that's not I know it's not but And then and then the mortality fulfills itself where Carson Wentz now comes in as a backup like I will say we are so close To the Carson Wentz running the chiefs three p yeah and like we joked about this a few weeks ago but Carson Wentz reversed nick foalsing and don't forget the whole all Nick Folson started with because he was on the Chiefs and like retired went to the Eagles.

Carson went leaving the Eagles and then roundabout getting to the Chiefs and leading a three Pete would be the craziest fucking thing ever. But anyway, so that'll be fine. He's a loser. Craig, who do you have? Andy Reid said he wanted to go back in. He's fine. Well, yeah, I mean, okay, he said that, but Mahomes said about the injury, it's hard to say right now.

You still have the adrenaline rolling. It's usually kind of the day after when you get a good sense of it. I feel like I could have finished the game, wanted to put Carson in it. He said, now he said, now he's just, he said, now he's, he said, now he's, he's just get back to the rehab part, the triumping part. It looked, it didn't look great. And I know Mahomes kind of prepares himself to be bent in every which way, but it did look pretty weird.

The Vegas, like, load or whatever, high load or whatever. Yeah, and the spread suggests not playing next week. They're playing the Texans, and the Texans are favored in that game. Yeah. Craig, who's your loser for the week? It's got to be the Steelers for me, unfortunately. Disappointing game. I can't tell if it was a worst game for the Steelers or a better game for.

for the Eagles, a better win for the Eagles, because I was really impressed with the Eagles, but this was my fear with the Steelers. Like, kind of what we were saying with Seattle, where I'm like, I don't think the Steelers are a tier one team. Like, I just don't. I know they beat the Ravens and stuff, but like I just,

I don't think they are an actual contender. I think they are a wildcard team, and I probably think they're going to end up being the wildcard, to be honest, and not win the AFC North. But, I mean, today was, it was an ugly game for them. I mean, they had 163 yards on offense, which is the fewest in a game since 2010 for Pittsburgh. Wow.

Their leading rusher was 14 yards. Six rushes for 14 yards. Naji Harris 14 yards leading rusher. Naji had a brutal fumble that hurt the game. They also got two fumbles from Philly and couldn't convert on those. Could not. That was such a tough. You could see Tomlin losing his mind that they clearly on defense executed perfectly

were like they just thought the Eagles were vulnerable to the ball. And they punched the ball out. And they couldn't get a first down after any of the turnovers. I thought Hertz played a really good game, to be honest. I thought he was really good with his legs when he needed it. He was great throwing the ball. and they can just eat clock. Sequin wasn't even healthy this game.

He was beat up. Dude, you know the last drive of this game was the Eagles had a 22 play, 10-minute drive that got them 88 yards to end the game. 22 plays. And it's just first down, second down, third down, first down. And they did that for 10 minutes.

22 plays in the first half today, the Saints had 38 yards. Dude, the Steelers had two drives in the second half. Are you serious? Oh my God, you're right. Two drives in the second half. I'm just like 22 plays. Wait, that has to be the longest drive in years.

Didn't that? I feel like the Chiefs did that a couple years ago. There was a really long Chiefs one. Or maybe one is a lot. 42 is high. Also, I mean, TJ Wat got hurt. He just said he sprained his ankle, but that's not great. We really missed George Pickens.

I don't know. This team doesn't have the offensive fire battle. We're throwing a cow. Yeah. That's what I was thinking this whole time is like, this team really misses Pickens. and like the depth that receiver for a Steelers team that is renowned for being like the best, you know, evaluators of receivers in the last like 20 years.

Like Calvin Austin, Ben Scaronic, Mike Williams, Van Jefferson and Scotty Miller caught Kat caught passes today. Like that is like a wild, like terrible. What happened to Mike Williams? Mike Williams is not a thing. Like towards ACL. He's just been hurt too much, man. Yeah.

I guess the year after. It's not the year after the year after. He was ACL last year. I understand that, but he is like irrelevant. And it's been over a year since the ACL. He's not even getting targets. He was on the fucking jet six weeks ago. I don't know, man.

I'm surprised he's not worked into the offense a little more, even if he's just running straight and getting deep balls. Like, they're not even doing that. You don't think Aaron Rogers making fun of him on Pat McAfee for like three weeks in a row helped his confidence? I got, I might be Team Rogers on this now. Maybe I see his point. Aaron's got a point.

We got lay off of Mike Williams, man. He's just, he's a role play. that's all. Oh, my God. You can't expect too much. He tore his on week three last year. It's been 14 months. You should tell on.

You should DM him that on Instagram. Come on, Mike. I love Mike Williams. He's like one of our favorite guys on this show. But I'm like, I don't know why can't he just run straight and we throw him deep balls. Why aren't we doing that? Don't actually DM players on Instagram. It's like the worst thing ever.

Okay. Yes. I agree, Craig. It's a tough loss. It's a reality check. And again. They play Baltimore in Baltimore next week. Dude,

they're playing the chiefs. And then they're playing the best. angles. I'm worried the Eagles are going to make the Super Bowl. And I see Sequin holding the Super Bowl and the trophy. Like, I see it in my in my dreams when I look into the flames. And your nightmares. They can just evaporate clock. It is crazy. Dude, God, dude, 20, serious. The Eagles are seriously good. I can't think of a worse. They're the best roster, like, head to toe and wait. So just so everyone knows, also to give shout, we're going to be live after the Super Bowl. We're going to have a live show. We're going to be in studio

Los Angeles. And we're going to go live after the Super Bowl. And so you can tune in and watch our show live. And I can't think of a worse outcome for me personally. The Nick Siriani holding the fucking trophy up. You mean Nick Seriani one of the winningest coaches of all time? Top five percent of the worst percentage all time. He is fifth highest winning percentage of any coach in the NFL. He's 46 and 19 in three seasons. The four guys ahead of him. In the history of the NFL, not currently. Correct. The four guys in front of him, Guy Chamberlain, who was in the 1920s, so that really doesn't count. John Maddened. Heard of him. Vince Lombardi and George Allen are the three guys in front of him.

Can't we relax? Like how many seasons has he been the head coach? Like five? Three? Four? I mean, has he played 60 games? Lombardy on the coach.

He's 46 and 19. Lombardy on the coach nine seasons. I know. Lombardi was 59 through 69. John Madden was 69 through 78. Those guys also, you know, those different times. And then George Allen was 66 through 77. So none of these guys have like a really long timeline.

Obviously, over time. I think there's a little bit of he hasn't been doing it for that long. And also he got he got handed like the best. No one thinks he's John Madden. Whatever. It's just a funny thing to say, Craig. He's one of the greatest coaches of all time. What are you talking about?

It's a good line at parties. What are you fucking talking about? Give him his due. Give him his flowers. Yeah. Swap Mike McDonald's for him right now, right? One of the greatest coaches of all time. Greg, who else are your winners?

The big boys of the day. Our, our dough boys, the thick men. All the big beefy boys. Our big beefy boys. Tavondrey sweat. Dan Skipper. Jonah Williams. I feel like I'm John Gruden.

Devonre Sweat. DeTackle, 6'4, 362 pounds. Stiff arm. Literally, though. Today was the day for, you know, the big boys. Tavondre Sweat,

Dan Skipper, Jonah Williams and the Cardinals. This was a thick day. On the Texans. Sam Hubbard, the D.N. for the Bengals caught a touchdown. Tevandre sweat,

362 pounds. That was impressive. Yo, it was week 15. Week 15. 15. I'll accept that. That's good. That passes.

I'll accept that. That passes. On the binary scale, that passes. Past, Dale. Dude, Devonre sweat at like a 30-yard fumble return. Stiff arm somebody. Big boy. Rumbling along and then legitimately like face planted to the ground.

And then it's registered on the Richter scale. The camera like shook. Yes. Like a water in Jurassic Park. Yeah, dude, the lions tackled Dan Skipper is six nine. Caught a touchdown today. Dude. Dude.

Dude, or been eating fish big? Dan Skipper. Dude, and you're really loved about that. Like, I feel like 99% of the offensive line throws I've ever seen are at the one or the two yard line and they bring in like two extra offensive linemen and one's eligible and they kind of just like do a play action and then a guy just runs like a fade basically and he's uncovered it. Already in the end zone.

The only two offensive line plays I've ever seen where they expect. yards after the catch. They like threw Dan Skipper a screen. Yeah, they threw him a fucking, like, he actually had to run and like break a tackle. Yeah, he like slipped into the flat on like the eight. And he literally, and he like had to crunch a guy and the defender just like,

it was like he was blocking for himself. It was epic. And the other team I've ever seen do that is the Lions this season with the Pinedesu play. Yeah. When they gave Pinedesuil the ball. And they were like, all right, go run Pesuil. See if he gets 60 yards.

So yes. My winner are all the healthy men out there. Dude. Oh, I also like, I actually loved the Cardinals one, Jonah Williams, the tackle.

I've always wanted this to happen where a lineman recovers a ball in the end zone. And he did it like he was like Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible like rolling through lasers in a bit. Like he caught it and he got the ball exactly. I don't know if he had six extra inches of grass to establish possession. And he like barrel roll, like stop drop and roll out.

But he paused long enough to get possession. And I was like, I don't know. It was like the guy from Mission Impossible, like doing the thing hanging over the. Yeah, exactly. Or I was going to say the dude in Oceans 12, the Asian guy trying to get the egg going through all the moving lasers. No, no, that was the French guy. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah.

You think we need one more? One more what? I think we need one more. We'll get one more. Oh, yeah. We'll get one more. We'll get one more. Okay.

Any of the winners losers? I want to give Baker, Mason. And the Buccaneers, a winner here. Absolute ass-whipping of the Chargers, 40 to 17. Statement win for the Buccaneers, I felt like. I mean, the Chargers are a pretty good team. Obviously, they're a little banged up, but the Buccaneers are like, I don't know what the deal is with them because I don't like necessarily think

Baker Mayfield is like awesome. He has like 16 turnovers. That's time for second most in the NFL. But like, when they get going, man, their offense can really just freaking score like at will. and they did that today. Baker was 22 of 27, 288 yards, four touchdowns. Mayfield has 32 touchdowns this season.

And he's the QB5 and fantasy. I'm sorry, can you fucking say that again? Baker Mayfield has 32 touchdowns. Yeah. It is week 15. He's been incredible. The Browns got rid of him four years ago. Oh my God.

The Rams? He was on the Rams for a minute, wasn't he? He won a Thursday football game on 40 hours. He's borderline out of the league. Yeah, he's had a crazy-ass career. O'Dell Beckham's dad, like, was Instagrammed him off the Cleveland Browns. O'Dell Beckham's dad was, like, literally just posting videos of Baker missing throws.

By the way, to his shoulder injury. And I don't know, Baker, I think, we talk all the time about nature, nurture. The Baker Renaissance, you know, we talked about Bryce Young having his best game since Alabama. Baker, D.K., you talked about this a couple weeks ago, Baker's having fun. Baker is like Oklahoma Baker again. Like this is who we thought he was when the number one pick in the draft. He is ripping passes. He like rips passes more than any other quarterback.

I don't know how to describe that. I don't know how to define it. But like when you watch Baker Mayfield, he's fucking ripping passes the entire fucking game. Just ripping him down the seam. He plays like the, he's in like a college intramural league. He's fucking P-rods down the field. Just piss rods. The bucks had 560 yards.

I get this from Geniland. They had 506 yards of offense. Oh, my God. That is the third most. allowed by any Jim Harbaugh NFL team ever. Wow. He's only given up 500 yards three times in games. Harbaugh has.

And yeah, you know, typically he has really good defenses. The Chargers have had one of the better defenses in the NFL this year. Like, and again, he was just ripping. Rippin passes down the scene all day long.

Every time I look up, he's just ripping a pass. I think Baker is the is the worst quarterback you're still okay with being the quarterback of your team. He's going to create. Two heads coach. Do you think? Who is worse than Baker that you're still happy is the quarterback on your team?

I mean, I just, I don't, I think there's other guys. I mean it as a compliment, like he's good. And like, my point is, is that, like, there are no Bucks fans saying, I don't want Baker back next year. But I think he's not like acceptable. You're saying, like, everyone would want to keep him. Everybody would want to keep him, but he is the worst quarterback in that category. Like, Kyler Murray, Gino Smith, I don't know. He's somewhere in there.

But I think everybody's like, look, yeah, we're. going to run it with Baker as long as we can. The irony of like the Baker-Mayfield career arc is that he is after all the tumultual tumult that he had in Cleveland and wherever else he went, Carolina, L.A., he's going to end up getting Canales hired as a head coach and probably Liam Cohn next year as a head coach. Like Baker-Mayfield is a kingmaker. He's a coachmaker. It's just kind of wild because he would have thought of him as like a guy who gets everybody

fired. At first it was like, wow. What did Canales do? How did he do it? And now it's like, maybe it's Baker. Yeah. Dude, again, Baker is like the good example of like the,

actually every team he was with was crazy. Yeah. Like the Browns or like the crazy X. But also like he played terribly when he was with those teams too at times. Well, you know what? Maybe it's the Cleveland fucking Browns are the problem. I agree with that.

I agree with that. Maybe it's the fucking bad teams. I don't know. Did every other quarterback sense for the Browns has been pretty good? Speaking of Baker, the I am become death. the Alpenheimer word for player went nuclear. Dude, Mike Evans, while we're at it,

Mike Evans, number two receiver on the day. He was outrageous. Mike Evans back on his bullshit. He's back from his- every year. Every year, every game. He has like 100 yards, two touchdowns. He had 160 today, two touchdowns,

wide receiver two on the week. Week in and week out, this guy is like a sitcom. There was no player that would be more famous if they played in a cooler market in the NFL than Mike Evans. If a New York Jet had done what Mike Evans has done in his career, they would be everywhere.

Also, he missed a month. He's probably, he has that streak of every season of his career, he's at a thousand yards. I think he's still going to hit it. He only needs to average 84 yards a game. Was it last year the year before when Brady, he had like 203 yards and we get 17 to hit it? And he just like, he ended with 799 and he got a thousand.

Like, you're right, he might do it. You know, he's crazy. You know what Mike Evans reminds me of me? He's like when I turn on the NBA now after having not watched it in a long time. And there's like, Luca is like this gigantic guy who plays point, guard and like does this weird stuff. And it's like all these really abnormally shaped people playing positions that they

shouldn't be playing. He's too big. Mike Evans, when I watch him play football, I'm like, this guy is too tall. He's too fucking gangly. But then he catches like 14 passes for our 280 yards and four touches. It's like watching Brooke Lopez take a three. You're like, what? What?

It's like he just, he looks out of place. He's one of the greatest receivers ever. But like he just always, he just like looks uncoordinated. Even gangly. Every time I watch Joelle and Beach shoot, I'm like, this can't work. And it goes in. Man, that's impressive. Yeah.

I just think it's so funny. It's like, this is not what I remember football looking like. It's just this guy. This shouldn't be a receiver. He's too tall. We're making some crazy people these days. I know we've done this. How many quarterbacks in the NFL are you sure would be better than Nicole

Yokic if he got like three weeks to practice? Baker. I have 14. The Baker line. I think there's 14. I'm like, sure, would it be better than Yokes. The Baker's dozen. There's a dozen quarterbacks above baseball.

Nothing funnier to me, again, as someone who doesn't really follow the NBA, people who impersonate Yokic, like the way he moves and stuff is like the funniest thing I've ever seen. Just like, just like all like wonky looking and shooting it behind his head. Doesn't even touch the rim. Just absolutely fucking dime pass like all the way across the court. He might be the most unguarable person I've ever seen. Like if he can't do anything, he's like, I'll just, I'm seven to and I'll just shoot. and I'll just shoot it over the head

and he'll go in every time. I love that the way to guard Yokic is like, well, we'll just guard your teammates. Score 60, bitch. And then he's like, all right, fine.

Okay. He's like, yeah, he literally releases the ball at like seven foot four. I don't know how you. What are you going to do? Oh, my God.

The other Oppenheimer. Devante Adams is the only guy that scored Mike Evans today. Nine catches almost 200 receiving yards, two touchdowns for Dompe de Vant DeVante Adams. Number one fantasy receiver of the day. He's a vintage game. I have a crazy stat for Adams.

I don't know if you guys saw it. I think, oh, I probably have this. Yeah, you want to go for it? I found, I'm sure we have the same one. He had 135 receiving yards in the final four minutes of the game, which is the most by any player in a game this century. And probably ever. Wow.

135 yards in the final four minutes. That is unbelievable. That's, it's nuts. He had like a 71-yard touchdown. Like, I don't know how many minutes were left. It's also, it's 20 fantasy points in the final four minutes as well. Dude, he's still fucking good. Like when Devonte wants it, he is still

So good. He's so good. Right there. Also, like, it was like such a vintage Rogers to Devante game too because it was like every it was like every time Rogers like went up to the line. He's like, I'm just going to throw it to you man. Well, he wanted to get. He wanted to get DeVante 100 touchdowns, right? He was forcing it to him in the red zone.

Austin pointed this out to me earlier today. Do you think that this is more annoying for Jets fans to see that like it would have worked if they had just like done the Devonthe treat earlier? Didn't they do it like week five? Yeah. if they'd done it in fucking March. Isn't it more annoying if you're a Jets fan. It's like, oh, there actually is something here.

Like, it would have been better if it flamed out. Can I give you my intrusive thought? Please. Run it back. Oh, my God. I think he should run it back. I knew it. Stop.

I don't know, dude. I actually really like this take. Jets won today. Rogers, 300 yards, three touchdowns. He ran for 45. There's a little bit of juice there. It's kind of fun. Year after the year.

after. What are you going to do? Year after the year after? What are you going to do? Get Sam Darnold next year, draft some shitty quarterback. Like, this is what you got to do. Convince yourself that seven of your 10 losses, they were by an average of three points. So just convince yourself, and you're really like a 500 team. If you want draft a guy, let him sit behind Rogers. Maybe Rogers will then win the MVP like he did with Jordan Love. Get Mike Vrable. Let's run it back and have a good time. This is fun. I will say Jets seven losses by six points of fewer this season, which is the most in team history. they have seven of those. Seven of their 10 losses are by an average of three points.

Which means they're close. And so if you flip half of those losses to wins, they would be seven or eight wins. Set almost 500. You're telling me there's a chance. No, I, oh my God, dude. I'm so curious. I love this take. Dude, Jets fans.

I was watching and I was like, fuck it. Let's do it again. I think usually I have a decent sense of what fans think of what we're saying. whether they agree with this or not. I honestly have no idea if Jets fans listen to this are insulted or like intrigued. I have no idea. My thinking is like,

what else are you going to do? What else are you going to do? What else are you going to do? That's what I'm going to say about the Giants in Belichick where people are like, yeah, obviously could go wrong. He's 72 years old. You're going to trade for Kirk Cousins?

The other guy who tore his Achilles? Like, what are you going to do? Rogers has more touchdowns than Mahomes does this year. just saying right what are they going to do he has 23 touchdowns to eight picks and you know what he's he's still having fun out there like he yells at people when it's not going well but when they're scoring and stuff he's having a good time he still looks like he enjoys the game we'll talk about that this week but who coaches all right you know what can they wait to put out the doc until like next year this is still another year film another off season

do season wherever he's going to the amazon rainforests wherever he goes next just film that he's he has seventh in the NFL touchdown passes. Is he really? Yeah. He has 23 touchdown passes. The same as Jordan Love.

Two less than Josh Allen. Well, that's the most touchdown passes ever in a team where everyone's fucking miserable. Rogers, 23 touchdowns, eight picks. The touchdown, the touchdown to misery like ratio. The eagle is number one,

obviously. Other Oppenheimer, I mean, I mentioned the Lions, Goff, almost 500 yards, five touchdowns. I mean, second most yards in Goff's career. I mentioned that. Amon-Rost St.

Brown, number three receiver in the day, 190 yards in a touchdown. Insane. 14 catches. 14 catches. For Ramon Ross. 14 catches.

So anyway, yeah, we mentioned the Lions. Crazy. Okay, it's so over. We're so back. Hold on. We didn't talk about Lamar Jackson. You, we did? Oh, did we?

I didn't give my spiel on him. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. You know what? Sure, D.K., fine. Are you going to talk about him, DK? What are you going to do? Make the case that he's good? Yes.

36 points in fantasy. We're not going to talk about him. Come on. Let's do this. Are you, we say, Fine, fine, fine. I'll do my fucking Ravens notes. Let's see here.

What do I got here? Giants, 17 and a half point underdogs. Biggest spread for the Giants in the Super Bowl era. Did they cover that? No. Close. Did the plane fly over the stadium that said, Mr. Mara enough.

We won't stop until you fire everyone. That one hit over half. Yes, there was one plane that had a banner begging the Maras to fire everybody. I really like plane advertising as a way to get out of message. I love that, actually. I think it's really cool. It's the least efficient.

Giants lost this game. I know. I just love the idea of a guy being like, I'm going to do it myself. Do you think we could get a, no, it's probably too expensive. Ravens won 35 to 14.

I think what's tough is like, I don't think the defense quit on the game. I think they just are bad. Yeah, Brian Burns was like fired up. He got a sack and he was like juiced. So he was trying. He's good. I wanted to point something out about Lamar Jackson

since obviously, you know, he's having an incredible year. We have to mention him. 36 points in fantasy today. I understand it was against a bad team. But if you look at his full season, would you be surprised if I told you,

Lamar actually is second in the NFL in fantasy points purely from passing. He has like three interceptions on the whole season. Only Joe Burrow has more passing fantasy points. And by the way, Lamar also has 743 yards rushing and three touchdowns. He's the Q to be one in fantasy, just ahead of Josh Allen.

I just wanted to point out, like he's been absolutely incredible, not just as a runner. like one of the best passers period in the NFL. It is crazy that he's the QB1 in fantasy and not Josh Allen. I think that is a-34 touchdowns, three picks. I really think Mahomes is Federer and, like, Lamar is Nadal and like Josh Allen's Joachovich, and they're actually going to be like three of the six or seven best players

ever, and they're all just overlapping. Yeah, because again, it's funny. Lamar's the, like, Josh Allen won the MVP today and Lamar through five touchdowns. And it just, and again, Stephen Murray's pointing said a couple years ago that Mahomes had reached a level where Mahomes through, uh, Mahomes at one point had four touchdowns and a half and the NFL didn't make them a YouTube highlight package with the game.

And I thought that was like a really great note of how good match of Mahomes is. Like I'm curious if Lamar has, I haven't checked, but like Lamar's kind of on that level where it's like, you're not even going to see much of this game anywhere.

It's like relatively. And I'm like, yeah, well, it is wild. Pretty good game. You had five touchdowns and four fucking incompletions. Yeah, well, all right. he also had one run where he was like pulling up his pants the entire time i saw that i thought he

like hurt his hip and i was like oh god no he got hurt and it turns out he just was trying not to let his pants fall down why would his pants fall down big he didn't he's thin his bones he doesn't eat anything too much shit like coins in his pockets or something i don't know what's going on big wallet back there what maybe he just has no ass it's yeah gravity Mark Andrews set the record for Ravens touchdowns in this game with 48 and I was like, you know what, that's not that many. I know that is kind of wild. 48.

I'm like, Odell did. O'Dell beat that at like five seasons. I know. Like, five seasons. O'Dell got 55 like six years ago. Anyway. All right. It's so over.

We're so back. I got to tell you, it is so over for like half the young quarterbacks in the NFL. This week was abominable. we mentioned Anthony Richardson was abominable today for the cults off a bye. Bo Nix, I thought this was probably Bo Nix's worst game of the whole year maybe. Bryce Young totally fell back to Earth versus Dallas. Bryce Young had four turnovers and took six sacks.

And they were kind of almost all his fault or just, Michael Parsons, it was like watching like a shark fighting seals. Like he had, Bryce Young had no fucking chance in this game. And then worst of all, Will Levis played the Bengals, Maybe the worst he thinks the NFL.

The most Will Levis game of all time. Got bench for Mason Rudolph. Will Levis, this is an unbelievable note, also from Tristan Cockroft at ESPN. Will Levis had the worst fantasy performance in three years. Negative four something points, right? Negative four and a half points, which is preposterous. How hard that is to do? No hard it is to have more than negative four points in a football game?

As a quarterback. Yeah. Basically, like, he was like every other throw was a, every other completion was a pick today. That is so hard. He has eight completion and three picks. Eight of 12

for 89 yards, three picks and a lost fumble. Yeah. He is now tied for the league lead with 17 turnovers. Kirk Cousins is the other one.

12 touchdowns, 12 picks, five lost fumbles. Only Deshawn Watson this year has a worse success rate than Will Levis. 35%.

The Titans are on track for the fifth pick, I think. Yeah. It is so over. It's Joe Berlus, I believe. You know who else

it's over for? It's over for our guy, James Winston. It's over. I know, God, it's a bummer. It was a really fun couple of months. We'll all remember it. He's kind of like the interim coach of quarterbacks. Where he kind of, the startup goes down.

He comes in. He gets a nice win right out the gate. You know, they beat the Ravens, his first start of the year. Everyone's like, wow, James. There's like, you know, maybe it could be this year. Maybe it's James's year. Maybe this is the right offense.

We'll start to come off. They stick with them too long. Actually, I want to correct the take ahead earlier. I said that more than any quarterback Baker Mayfield rips passes downfield. James Winston. He fucking rips, passes, all game long. No concern for who's down there. Craig, I think Craig is really honest with something here.

James Winston is the interim quarterback. Yeah, he is. And because there's something about, there's always like an entertaining element to it, right? Like Jeff Saturday, Antonio Pierce, Rizzler. What was the other Raiders guy that the bill, they called the pit boss? He had the Italian name? I was going to call him secure Missichia or something.

Yeah, Bessatia. That guy was fun. He had like the crazy hair. There's always an element of like, wow, this guy's a character. And that's what James has that aura. And you start literally like, oh, they clogged the toilet. Got the guys rolled up. And we're like, cool, they won.

And then by the end, it's like a disaster. And you're like, we cannot resign this guy. I just so desperately wanted him to stop throwing picks because he is so good for the other players on his team in fantasy. It's like he fucking turned Jerry Judy until like a top five receiver. Well, just because he just throws him the fucking ball. James Winston is the epitome of dead dead dove do not eat. Like he is so consistently who he is. And like in a way, it's almost incredible.

He has been this guy the whole time. He's never changed except for when he got Lasick and like through more touchdowns. But like he's never changed. And he's so earnestly trying to change. And he's so aware of how he plays, which is another added element to it where he's like, man, if I could just stop. Throwing picks and he can't. Dude, he's kind of like, he's like football

Sisyphus, but he just, no, ball. He's no rock. He's just ripping footballs and he's like, I'm going to do it this time. He really believes him. The second he snaps the ball, he's just like back to his baser instincts. Oh my God.

Did you guys know that next year, if you cut Deshawn Watson, he has a hundred and seventy two million dead money. What's the salary cap? $250. His cap number next year? is $73 million in 2025. And he's not going to be playing.

And if he's going to be playing, he's going to be terrible. No, they can't. I mean, again, he was the worst quarterback in the NFL. $72.9 million cap it. He was the worst quarterback in the NFL. And then he tore his Achilles. Like, imagine Deshawn Watson if he can't move.

The only quality had his quarterback was moving. I can't even believe how bad that contract is. It's the worst. It's probably the worst deal in the history of sports that doesn't involve by the team. Yeah. We're selling a team. Uh, yeah.

So speaking to which, shit the bed. Like, this is going to have to, unfortunately, fart or shart, you know what? This is the time now. Playoff edition. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's just shit the bed.

And it's just, these are, these are, these are just people who shot on your fantasy playoff dreams. And there's nowhere to start except the Thursday football abomination. I couldn't believe this. That was Rams Niners in the rain. And it turned out. to be the worst fantasy performance basically all year. Pooka Nukuwa was good.

Kairn Williams, everyone else was disaster. I believe there were more punts in the first half of that game than any game all season. And Cooper Cup had zero points. No catches for Cooper Cup in probably one of the most crushing fantasy performances ever. And the worst part about it is it's to start your week. Yes, you have three days to think about how you're fucking best. player got nothing for you. Your projections, you have like an 18% chance to win.

You're sitting on that for three days. Is it better to actually just lose on Thursday and not have to sweat on Sunday? No, because, no, because like the hope isn't dead. The harp is dying embers. Like there's no, that's the problem. And you have three days. You have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and half a Thursday thinking, wow, I'm excited that I made the fantasy playoffs.

How exciting. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You're just absolutely crushed by the Z. and you have to look at it, but you're still constructing scenarios in your mind that you'll win. Yeah, I have them in the Ringer League, so I didn't win. Hunter Long outscored Cooper Cup.

That's the guy that got the Ramsey trade, you know who didn't outscore Cooper Cup? Will Levis. That's true. Neither did Javis, actually, for that matter. Wait, did Javis get negative points today? He did it? one of league. I started him in our

league. No, he had like 150 yards. No, in our dynasty league, I started him. I got like negative Oh no, dude, he did have. He had negative 0.3 points. Because he had three picks. Tough choice. Wow. Tough choice by me. I sat Aaron Rogers in favor of James Winston. Dude. 30

point swing. Rogers is back. Yeah, I guess. Oh, dude, I can't get over. You're right. They should fucking run it back. What are you got going on? What is he going on? What is he going to do? It's like, that's the whole catchphrase for Jets football. at 2025. What else are we going to do? You know, you know when you hear about like a show on Peacock and it's like, Wolfman has been,

given a second season and you're like, what the fuck is Wolfman? How do they get a second season? We're very niche like audience. They're very into it. They should just do it. Sometimes those deals are like they give you a second season. Like they won't give you a first like the show like negotiates in a second season. But it's they announce it as though they gave it a second one. It's actually going to cost us more to not do it. Yeah. It's like, yeah, we already paid for it. It's actually exactly it. Yeah. Oh my God, you're right.

Dude, I actually think this is the funniest possible outcome. He's Rogers and Devote playing well enough down the stretch to continue to make $100 million more dollars from them. It's funny how much your record at the end of a season changes your perception as the months go by. Like if the Jets just lost out and went three and 14, it would obviously look terrible. But if they like get to six, a couple months go by, they go there six and 11. Well, they'll be talking about those close losses. Yeah, lost a lot of close games. They ended on a four-game winning streak.

Remember they beat the Jags as they were quitting on Doug Peterson? Wow. Man, that was good. Remember they needed 135 yards from Devante in the final four minutes to get that, though? Mac Jones was dancing like Christina Aguilera after first downs? What was with that, by the way? What was with Mac Jones just deciding to be like the fucking main character? Let's sidebar my intrusive thought here, too.

I don't know why, but I find myself rude. for and liking Matt Jones. Mac Mac. Mac John. He doesn't say his fucking name right. McCorkel. Mike Jones. Mike Jones.

No, like, there's no quarterback in the NFL since Jay Cutler, I think, who plays with more sass than Mac Jones. He's out there just sassing people. Like, there was one play where he, I think he ran for a first down. He gets up and he does this little, like,

he did like a fucking, he pretended to do like a point. He's out for the first. down and then he just kind of like kept it. It turned into like a spice girl's move, dude. It was sassy. And then he's like running out of bounds on another play and like, oh my God.

Running and like waving his arms all around. He's like, yeah. He's out there having a ball. He was like doing this Sequin touchdown celebration, but while he had the ball. Like you know how you hear like all these stories of like old timey baseball players like doing a bunch of blow or like like hard drugs before a game and then like pitching a no hitter.

Doc Ellis. Like Mac Jones looked like he was high out there. Dude, he kind of did look like he was on drugs. You know what I think it is? I think Mac Jones, his drug is being a backup quarterback. I think he loves it. I should hate Mac Jones.

Everything he does, like sliding with his cleats up, like bitching at the refs, like whining. I should hate him for all, like, for all intents and purposes, I usually hate people like him.

I just, for some reason I was like, I like, he's like, he's like, he's like, dude, look,

there's no pressure. No one expects me to be good to our team. sucks and I'm not going to be the starter next year. Let's have a ball. Isn't this what happened to Baker? Like all these guys who've gone through the ego death, all these quarterbacks who went through the ego death that were first rounders

and then like their careers were basically over. I mean, Mac Jones is from Jacksonville, I believe. He's back home basically. Yeah. Yeah, traded for a fucking future sixth round pick, which might as well be exile. And then like once they come on the other end of this ego death, like some of them just have fun. Like Baker's having fun and Mac Jones is not as good as Baker.

but shit. That's what we're doing on that. Hyphitz and I have experienced ego death after this fish toss thing. And now we're just, we're Mac Jones in it. We're getting sassy. I'm alive, baby. You guys have first down.

This is funny. Anyway, the, the Jags lost, but that's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, sad. 31 to 46, 294 yards, two touchdowns, two picks.

He's not, he's not going to be a starter anytime soon, but I found myself liking him. That was an intrusive thought I had this week. All right, Craig. who else shit the bed. Sequin and Derek Henry, the number one and number two

running backs and fantasy football each had their worst game of the season. Sequan's like tied worst game of the season, but still. Seacquan had eight points, which just kills you. And he got hurt. They didn't really report it. He missed a little bit of time he came back.

They just like weren't using him a lot. They used Kenneth Gainwell a lot. And then Derek Henry, dude, if somebody told you that the Ravens won 35 to 14, against the Giants. Against the giant, at minimum, you're like, I don't know, at least 120 yards and minimum one touchdown, probably two. And he had 67 scoreless yards six points today. I mean, it's just brutal.

All the stats about like when his team wins how good Derek Henry is compared to when his team loses. In terms of like what you thought his stat line would be looking at the box score versus what actually happened, it's, I mean, this is a disaster, I would say. Did Justice Hill outscore him? Yeah, Justice Hill had a touchdown, a long one. Justice Hill looked like fucking Matt Forte today. But, like, I mean, Derek Henry's was worse because Sequin, I believe you had a 50% chance to get a first round by if you had Seq. I was going to say Seekwon, I hope you were on by and it was fine.

Henry, dude, Derek Henry hasn't scored a touchdown at like a month. Three weeks. So, uh, yeah. And they're playing Pittsburgh next week. So even if he did get by, like, uh. D.K., we'll shit the bed. The dolphins. Yeah.

All of them. So here it goes. I'm going to talk about two. Tyreek and Waddle. So the previous four games, Tua averaged 25 points per game. One of the best fantasy quarterbacks in football. Today,

6.8. Tua was outscored today. If you started him, Tua was outscored by three backup quarterbacks that didn't start the games. Tim Boyle, Spencer Rattler, and Mason Rudolph all outscored Tua.

I hate fantasy football. It's the fucking worst. It's fucking annoying. Tyreek last four, 23, 17, 7, 15 today he had 4.6 points Waddle last 4, 16, 9, 24 points, 5 points today.

Big goose sake, he got hurt. So I guess you can't really blame him that much, but this was just, oh God, such a brutal, just offensive shirt. Well, at least the dolphins won the game. Did they? Oh, wait, no, the Texans won 20 to 12 and ended the dolphin season. Sorry. Carlos, I'm sorry, Carlos.

That was really fucked up of me. Do you want to come in here invent Carlos? I mean, yeah, the season's over. It's it's tragic. I don't know. A lot of Dolphins fans are kind of at the point of like fire Chris Greer. What's the vibe with

Who's never left? With McDaniel? It's weird because like it's almost like there's like levels. Like there's like the people who are like fire Chris Greer. And then there's people who like fire Greer and McDaniel. And then there's people who are like get rid of Greer McDaniel to all of them to start over. Clean slate.

So I don't know. Like it's It's tough because you're the top tier, right? Yeah. I'm in the fire Chris Greer category. I still think that given an offseason to like adjust to what whatever happened with the offense this year, I think McDaniel and Tua can probably figure it out. They better because McDaniel convinced them to give to a quarter of a billion dollars. And so they better.

But like Chris Cure has been, I believe Chris Greer has been with the Dolphins since I want to say like the mid-1990s. Yes. He's been with the organization for a long time. Damn, really? He's had the top job since 2016, something like that. And this is his build. It's his build. And, you know, you can argue about whether it's a complete failure or not. But, I mean, it certainly is starting to look like it.

Carlos, we're really hard on Tua. We're really hard on Tua. We know. And by we, I mean, Craig and I, D.K. defends him half because he believes and half because he wants to be against Craig and I. Carlos, my interpretation is, what am I wrong? Thought I kind of nailed the ratio there. But Carlos, I thought Tua was like, playing pretty well and then like very quickly, super

not well. What was your honest take on how Tua played today as like a strong Tua defender? Do you have an intrusive thought about Tua or no? Yeah, what was your intrusive thought watching the three interceptions that ended the game? The intrusive thought is that it's that all the tropes are good, are. true. Like it's like he just can't be good teams. And I think that there might be something to that because like good teams play a lot, typically play a lot more man coverage and press man and that messes up everything that Tua does because what Tua does well is the timing, anticipation and like all that stuff and just getting the ball out on time. But when you do when you have a lot of press man,

that's just that can't happen. And then there's a lot of tighter windows. He has to try to fit the ball into places where he just doesn't have the arm to do, and he doesn't have the legs to make teams pay for playing that kind of defense. So it's just, I don't know, like, maybe there's just something to that. And this game reminded me a lot of that Christmas Day game last year, or was it two years ago, against the Packers where he just like inexplicably threw three interceptions and, uh, in like a major game that they needed. And, you know, I, I, uh, yeah. And, that just can't happen and I just don't know

what the answer is because it's like okay like we're now he wins too many games for it to like weird purgatory right in no man's land a little bit exactly well

but the thing is that often's been in no man's land since I have been alive so last play when was last playoff win again 2001 Mike McDaniel is 3 and 15 against teams with the record above 500

2000? Yeah. That's one of those things where it's like when you do self-reflection and self-scouting in the off-season you're like,

okay, so here's the deal. We need to figure out how to beat good teams. How do you, where do you start there? What do you do? Well, fix the offensive line, which Crisker can't do.

Again, which is why I'm on the Chris Fire, Chris, Chris, Gerr. So, 2000, joined the team in the year 2000 as a scout. So literally. So Crisker is the problem.

Basically since he's been never been good. That is, dude. Oh my God. Look, I once again will plead. This is the last thing I'll say. And then I'll leave you guys alone. I once again will plead my case for, and don't give me this.

Oh, they're from Florida. Nobody like the Dolphins fans are miserable. Oh, you're saying like, oh, the weather's good. He's tired of us. He's tired of us. No offense, but like, we know. Insane when like all these like, whenever, like, people make these, like, cheeky little articles about how like, oh, the, the, you know, the chargers have the most, like,

tortured fan base or the jets have the most, like, it's like, all right, you're like, sure. Maybe you have an argument with the jets. But, like, the thing is when by the time I started paying attention with football, by the time I started paying attention to football, the jets had or were in two, back-to-back AFC championship games. Jets fans have success in recent memory. Where's my success? Leave me alone.

I want a piece of it. Dolphins fans have suffered enough. We need something. All right, wait. This is an informal count, and I could be wrong. I'm doing this live, 12, 14, 16.

I got back of the napkin. I got 14 dolphins on the roster were not alive when the last time they went on a napkin. Jesus. Oh, God. So, yeah, sorry about all that. Yeah, it's great stuff.

All right, well, there you go. Chris Greer. The dolphins were featured prominently in the movie Ace Ventura. Oh, yeah. No one feels bad because it's like Miami and Minnesota, but like, you know, Miami's. They stole the dolphin. I'll find the porpoise. You think it's where Jim Eursa, take out the idea?

All right. Carlos, I'm sorry your season's over and your team's awful. But, you know. See you in the draft. Well, you got sunny Miami. He live in Florida. He doesn't live in Florida. I don't live in Florida.

You don't live in Miami. You got God. You got a shovel snow and shit. You fucked up. See you guys. Sorry. Well, I'm not lovely note. Wait, one more shit to bed.

So last week, the bill scored 40 plus points. And Amari Cooper had 14 targets. This week, the bill scored 40 plus points. And Amari Cooper had zero target. It's crazy. Like even if I am, Marty Cooper's time with the bills has been pretty up and down. So there's a chance last week you didn't start him.

And you're like, Jesus, 14 targets. Well, I guess I got to start him in my fancy playoffs. And then he just murders. You slit your throat. Dude, fantasy football is the dumbest sport ever.

And I know that every week we have an example how stupid fantasy football is. This week had one of my favorite examples ever where someone asked me. and I thought this was the easiest start question I've been asked in a long time and someone said should I start Cooper Cup or no one Yeah you're like It's got to be Cooper Cup

Yeah exactly Someone asked me should I start Breece Hall or Tim Patrick And I said I would start Breeze Hall Yeah And literally It took it took the Jets

being fucking morons and scoring Brise Hall in for no reason at the end of the game, which was crazy decision. This was one of the worst coaching decisions of the week. Basically, the Jets had a minute left, and they could have just ran the clock down to like 20 seconds. A minute left on the one yard line. The one yard line.

And literally, like, they should have just taken three kneels in a row, and they would have kicked a 20-yard field goal, or 18-yard field goal, and they would have just given the Jags back the ball with no time out, 17 seconds left. And instead, they ran Breece Hall in. Anyway, that person, I can't tell you the shit I was getting from this person because I told them to do Bruce Hall over Tim Patrick.

This is the stupidest fucking job in the goddamn world. And I'm thrilled to do it. But I, like, I can't. Imagine if I'd said Tim Patrick. Yeah. Like, what would you guys have thought of me if I told this person to play Tim fucking Patrick over Breece Hall? If you would have said that, I'd be like, he doesn't speak for the three of us.

Dude, Brees Hall. Like, anyway, whatever. Tim Patrick was cut like three weeks ago. I said, you should start Brees Hall. Did you imagine? You should start Brees Hall. They were like, are you sure? I was like, yeah, I'm fucking cheer.

It's fucking wild. Last play of the game. I might have been the only person to say start Tim Patrick. It would have crossed my mind. Tim Patrick is a baller. And Craig's a notorious breeze hater. My intrusive thought, I always forget now that Jaden Daniels is a rookie. I get that.

actually. Like when I watch Washington, he's so polished. He's so, he has the Jalen Hertz like crazy poised, calm factor. He makes everything look so easy.

He escapes player, defenders in the pocket like Lamar Jackson. Not exactly the same style, but like he does. He's so nonchalant with it. Nonchalant. It looks so fucking easy. Like when Kyler does it,

it looks a little chaotic. It looks a little shalant when Kyle does it. Yeah, Kyler's super shalant when he escapes the rushes. It always looks like. Super shalant. Yeah. Jada makes it look so easy.

easy. He's so calm. Like, frankly, like, he is like the definition of it looks like it's slowed down for him. It looks like everyone's slower around him, literally. Yeah. And he had a play today, like play of the day. Like, he just had this crazy scramble where he does that thing that, I mean, Russell Wilson used to do like so well, but I mean, a ton of quarter makes to do it now. But basically, you kind of go left and then right and you navigate back through your own blockers

and you keep getting like guys caught in traffic. Like it's like rakes or whatever hitting defenders in the face. You go left and right. create like 10 seconds. Jayden Daniels does this all the time. He threw a touch to that Terry McLaurin. But I just don't think of Jaden Daniels in my head as a rookie.

I just trust him so much to score. And I know Washington almost lost his game. But anyway, that was my thought was I just keep, every time I watch Washington, I just keep forgetting that this guy has been in the NFL for three months. Yeah, he's so good. I love too how he's unlocked Terry McLaren.

Like, McLaren's so easy to root for. He had two touchdowns today. That, I don't know if it was the first or a second one. The one that you're talking about where he scrambled around. a bunch and hit and found McLaren. The first one. Outrage. In the end zone.

I'm like, first of all, that was probably like a really dangerous pass, but also it was awesome. And like, because he, I think McLaren like ran into Brian Robinson and kind of like hurt. Yeah, I sure do love Fig Newton's though. Dangerous and inconvenient. When it works, it's awesome though. And he's just like, I mean, 25 or 31, this is Jaylon Daniels.

25 or 31, 226 yards, two touchdowns. He also added 66 rushing yards. He's just, man, so. hard. And again, he's so hard to stop. So what? Okay. Yeah, sorry. I didn't, I didn't finish my thought there. He's so hard to stop on third down and fourth down. Again, this is something we've seen every year, or every week. They're just so good on third and fourth down. It's like, just like, it's the Eagles light. What are you laughing about? You see what? You're so hard, innuendos? I can't get over. Sorry. So difficult to stop on third and fourth down.

Speaking of which, you're true, you did intrusive text today. We're, in the group chat. You text. You know boobbers text? Like, call me, period. You did that today.

Text call me. I'm like, oh, fuck. Oh, God, someone's dead. And she's like,

do you need any milk? All right. Can I talk to you about something that's happening in a month? You'll never guess who I ran into today. What time are you flying in next month? Dude,

you see the viral stuff and someone's like, I have a game show called, it's with your mom, and it's called it'll never guess who I ran into today. And you can't guess. Anyway, Dekhis sent a boobber text and it was Tua. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah.

And you meant he threw a fucking pick. Yeah, yeah. Now I realized what I did. We thought he died. Austin was like on the toilet and like sprinted into the living room with the pants around his ankles. Yeah, yeah. That's my bad. That's my bad.

It is funny. It is so funny how like different generations don't know how to moat on tech over text. well, just in general too. Yeah. I also love the idea of Austin. Sorry, Austin about that. Yeah, I love the idea of Austin running in, like, yeah, like, like, they pants askew and like watching the next play expecting to just.

Just like in parentheses should say he didn't get hurt. Yeah. With everything you say about Tua. Tua, oh, no. Other intrusive thought I had, I'm going to give you guys these intrusive thoughts. Do me a favor. Say the first number that comes to your mind. Three players in mind for this.

starting with Josh Allen, where do we have to rank him next year? Give me a number. I said top 15. I said you, I don't know. I know that's not right. But part of me is like, I don't think you could have Josh Allen later than like 18 or 20 next year. Yeah, he needs to be a second rounder. And I bet you there are people who will take him in the first.

Yeah, he's a top 18 player. I don't know if that's like good or will win you, but like that's where he's going to go. He's a top 17 pick. My other intrusive thought, with James Winston's the quarterback for the Browns next year, Do we have to rank Jerry Judy in the fucking top 24? First rounder. But like, do we have to rank them like where Nico Collins was this year? Do we have to do that?

We don't have to do that, right? We have to do that with any James wide receiver. I think that's what we've learned. But that's what I'm saying. Are we going to have Jerry fucking Judy like the 22nd player in our fucking rank? You don't have to really swallow your pride there, Hyphitz, to put him as like a fourth rounder. Today I really thought about like next year. And I was like, oh my, like I didn't, it was like reaping.

sewing and I was like, oh, fuck. And the other one, dude, if Bucky Irving was the first rounder, where would we put him? Fifteenth? I know. Where's you going to go? 30th? It's so weird how much we're anchored to somebody's draft stock. Like, if he was, I don't know, Bijon Robinson, he just like got drafted in the top

15. Yeah, same number. Seven, everything. Same division. Even if it was like a second rounder, like, think about other second rounders, Bruce Hall, Kenneth Walker, like, both of those guys after really good. stretches have been like pushed up into the first second round. But yeah, that's interesting. The problem is like Rashad White has also been very good lately.

Well, Buck is 15 carries for 117 yards. He did lose four yards receiving, which again, kind of hard to do. But, but yeah, I don't know.

I just, that was just an intrusive thought where I was like, if Bucking Irving was a first round pick, I think I'd take him like 12th. The bucks, yeah. The bucks just were so many fucking fantasy points,

dude. It's like Mike Evans is going off. Baker's going off. They have two running backs that are somehow sustainable. Jalen McMillan's good. K. Dot and solid. Bucks play the Cowboys next week who have no run defense.

And like Bucky Irving might surpass one at 17 yards next week if he's healthy. He was like, yeah, and he was like, he didn't even barely practice this week. He's again, another guy I kind of don't think of as a rookie anymore. I'm like this dude.

Yeah, he's not practice. Like, you know, hard it is for a rookie to not practice and then come out and have 117 yards. That doesn't happen a lot. It's like, Cam Hayward doesn't practice.

Who's like 35. Exactly. And a whole time. Like, rookies he don't practice usually fucking suck. Anyway, all right. Play of the day. The Tavondri Sweat Ziffarm, who Tivandre Sweat, who. Yeah, that was so fun.

Big boy. What, 340? He's a big boy. Yeah. This is an incredible stat. This is from True Media. James Foster tweeted that. Tavondry Swept had a 30-yard fumble return.

Longest fumble return in the 21st century for a player who is 330 pounds or more. And he's 40. 60. I just looked it up. 360? That's a lot. That's somebody passing here. It's Josh Allen did it today.

The, he had, he, it wasn't a stiff arm as much as he kind of shoved like an office line to the ground like completely. Like he started at their head

and he, like, it was kind of like a UFC move. He sland, he like, Ed slammed this person to the ground and kept going. But it was an offensive line.

Again, it was like a dad in a backyard with like five-year-olds playing football. It looked like those. Yeah, the viral Thanksgiving videos. It was like the Hulk. It was pretty nuts. It was tripping over kids with the football. You got, you've ever seen that clip of Gavin Newsom playing basketball with kids in China?

And he like tries to cross one over and he like tackles one of them. No. No. I don't see that. I need to see that. It's not funny, but it is funny. Well,

there's a whole. I think there's a whole Instagram or, like, Twitter account that's just, like, kids getting hurt. That's the whole thing. For some reason, it always comes up on my feed, like, randomly. It's just like a kid getting fucking taken out, like, going down a slide at like Warp 3 and flying out and, like, tumbling. It's like, I assume none of the kids are dead, but like, you know. I stop laughing externally because I'm afraid of getting canceled, but inside I think it's funny. No, it's called kids getting hurt.

And it's like a bunch of fucking kids. You're the dad. I feel weird laughing about that. Yeah, D.K. It's like, of course it's funny. It's called kids getting hurt.

All the kids were fine. Dude, D.K., look at the text I just said. You look at the thumbnail. What are the physics on us? Gavin News, the name is YouTube videos.

California. Governor Gavin does some plows at the child. It's really short. Watch it. It took the first 10 seconds. He's like, he's really nice with it for at first. Oh,

wait. He's doing the little spin. Oh, he just. Oh my God. Yeah. No, he tackles the kid. That's like every time alignment gets a fumble recovery.

And then he's like such a politician. He's like, ha ha ha. Hugg, he sweats his ass. All right. Other plays of the day, Alvin Camara, the one-handed touchdown catch was unbelievable. Oh,

that was sick. We need to get him off the Saints fast. Dude. Yeah, he's like, he like, he, it's funny because it happened quickly where it's like,

it was so sick he was on the Saints. And then like, you're like, oh, it kind of sucks. He's on the Saints. And it'll be there forever. And like,

I think he will age well. his game, and I think he wants to play for a long time. He's very, like, focused on his health. He should be on a good team as a veteran who can contribute. I also want to immediately revise that. I think he'll get cut this year. I don't know why I just said it. They just resigned him.

Oh, yeah, they did. Sorry, that's why I said it. I knew there's a reason. They were going to have to cut him and then they decided to resign him. I just Googled Saints resign him. Like, Beth's going to help. DK's Googling is. DK, you were the craziest fucking Googler I've ever.

What did you Google? How old am I? Oh, I literally, I literally did Google that. Remember that 30 Rock joke? How old am I on your birthday? God? How old am I? Remember that 30 Rock joke where it was like Tracy thought Googling meant masturbating?

And then it cuts to him being like, Liz Lemon, can I Google myself in your office? And she's like, sure. And he's like, can I use your computer? And she's like, how else are you going to Google yourself? And he was like, thanks. If it's just said I'm the best Googling. Yeah, that's why I popped in my head. Like, Hivins, or DK's the best Googler.

He's like, ooh, that sounds Googler. That's like something. It's too close to Goonin. Yeah. Oh, God. Gooting? I wonder when we get there.

There's a basketball player on San Diego State is really good. He's this young freshman. His name is Magoon Guas. And everybody calls him like, goon, the gooner, goon squad. It's the best. Oh, my God.

There's a goon squad. They all get T-shirts. I don't think we have gooting in us right now. Are we going to do the gooting thing? He's awesome. Are we going to finally address gooning on this show? Oh, my God. The goon squad.

Takes on a whole new meaning now. Anyway, Kevin Burkart today asked Brady, what has he seen from Russell Wilson this year? And this was Brady's response. He's always been a great player in this league. A Super Bowl winner played in a lot of different office. and we've seen a revival here this year. No, no, what have you seen from him, Tom?

What's he doing? Well, he won a Super Bowl 10 years ago. Great player. Back to you, KB. What? Brady was better today. I'll give him credit. Greg, do you regret ever doing the whole Tom Brady thing?

Because now you have to listen to him really closely every time? It actually sucks because I really, I mean, he did the Steeler game, so I was watching that, but I also wanted to listen to Nansen Romo do the Bills game. And yeah, it stinks. I got to listen to him and be like, Calvin Austin kind of makes a cut there. Great throw by Russell Wilson just outside the stretch of his hands. Close call there, KB. Third and eight coming up.

Tough play, though. These guys are tough players. Nobody is taking it easy out there. They're all trying their butts off. Trying their butt. Did he really say that? Pretty much. There was a good, he had a good,

anecdote in the game today. He was like talking about how they were lined up against shit. I can't remember. Maybe it was T.J. Watt. And he was like, yeah, one of my great tackles, Marcus Cannon. He, he, like, he turned around him and said, Tom, I can't block him. Oh, about T.J. Watt. Yeah. Who did I say? What did I say? That's funny. He had a good thing about Jalen Hertz had a hurt singer on his non-throwing him. So Tom's best, Tom's best anecdote so far is just throwing his right tackle under the past. He also said that Bill Belichick is not a fuzzy guy. Not a warm and fuzzy guy.

I think Tom, I can't block him. Tom, I can't block him. I'm dying out there. And then Tom was like, well, okay. Then we need to do something else. And he's like, and I was like, I got to get the ball out quicker.

Yeah, yeah. All right. All right. Baby steps. Baby steps. He was better. He was better today. He had a thing about like, he was like, honestly, if you have a broken finger on your non-throwing hand, he was like, not a big deal.

It doesn't matter. Yeah. Worst play of the day, that Colts trick play was, was, that was bad. The Colts? So they had a play where Anthony Richardson throws a screen to A.D. Mitchell. And then the plan is for A.D. Mitchell to catch that and then throw it back across the field to Anthony Richardson. And then Anthony Richardson would catch that and then throw it to somebody downfield. I have a little piece of advice for Shane Steichen. If you're calling plays,

you can't even complete, you can't complete 40% of passes that just require one pass on the play. And you're betting on them completing three? He's putting together parleyes. Maybe don't run a play that requires three completions in order to work. Yeah, it's like plus 1,600 of the play. Dude, Anthony Richardson completing an out is like a prayer. And you're going to bet on three in a row on the same play.

God. It was like the slowest developing play, too. It like took forever. Dude, the guy who is Nick Benito who loki, I mean, honestly, is it like a Benito fish? Is he big? Nick Benito was running with his hands in like the diamond formation. He probably learned who was 10 years old for what felt like forever.

Didn't even break stride. Like you? It looked like it was designed for him. Did he say yoink when he was that what's that drill? What's that drill in the combine where you run and catch passes? The gauntlet. It was the gauntlet. He just kept running the gaunt.

He like Forrest Gumped right through. It looked like he was like photoshopped in. He like teaboned the ball perfectly perpendicular, just right through. Thank you. It's actually like a harder catch than you think. I don't think. I don't think if they had practiced that, it could have looked easier. for the defense that it did on that play.

It was like a jug machine was just running drills with him. It was like a drill. D.K. Parley, that's 40% complete. You can't even complete it now. I don't know. Anthony Richardson was like five for 18 at that point.

He's like, what if we had a play where we had to complete three passes all in one? Holy shit. Anyway, that was a tough one. That was a tough play. Which one's been worse?

So the Colts now have two. notoriously bad plays. The one where they, I can't even remember what the scenario was where they've like lined up one guy in the middle of field and they just Oh yeah, the one with back of me.

Yeah. I don't, I don't like, that's one of those plays I don't remember any of the details. It was just like you knew immediately. They just had to center him and then the idea is you're supposed to check because they're like, oh, they'll only have like one

guy here. And then they had three and they just didn't change the fucking play. They just forgot. That one remains still. more embarrassing, right? That was the worst one ever. Yeah, yeah. That's, yeah. God, that was funny. All right, Arthur Smith

Award for Coach that pissed you off. So the Lions Bill's game with Dan Campbell. This is the first time I'm like, ah, he jumped the shark. I think you texted too much dip on the chip. I think I said this last week, but this is one of the worst

decisions I've ever seen. I was like, there's like 12 minutes left. You're onside kicking. You're down 14. What are you doing? They were down. No, they were down 10. 10. 10. 10 points. I mean, I guess it's still two scores, but still like 11 plus minutes left down 10. Yeah. Yeah.

I think I saw people like defending it like, oh, you haven't been able to stop them yet anyway. But I'm like, okay, but you can't stop trying to stop them. Here's the thing. You have to keep trying. I think that this was proof that the lions, well, I do think they use some inelics. They don't use any elinics. They just use their testicles. He goes with his gut.

Yeah. It's just, it's just Dan Campbell was just like, am I a pussy if I punt? And like, I think that's the entire fucking thought. It's like actually real. And it's like when the lions go for it on fourth and one. Yeah, we can punt, but we're not pussies. Yeah. I see that that word every once in a while really hits.

We use it way less now and that's probably right. But every once in a while, it's really place. I actually think I used it because I was watching it. Am I a pussy if I punt? It's so funny. He's just talking to himself in the sideline? I'm not a fucking pussy if I'm not punting it. But with the lions, do it for their own 20-yard line and you're like, this is crazy, like that Packers game.

The odds of them getting it are 50% or better of converting. The odds of an onside kick in a world where you have to, this is the new rule, you have to declare the onside kick like it's bankruptcy in the office. You have to tell them you're doing it. The odds of an onside kick are like 3%. Yeah. Which, it's like a Hail Mary. It's like kind of like the. worst decision I've ever seen.

And like, I know that that's hyperbolic, but if this was Nick Siriani or any of the coach we don't like, we would be talking about this as one. Statistically, it would be like the rare mix where statistically in the nerds and the old school coaches would be able to agree that that's

one of the dumbest things you've ever seen. Yeah, he gets a pass because it's him and and. Oh, totally. It's the HR meme. It's just like he's hot and cool and we like him so we don't care. But like, onside kicking down 10 to 13 minutes. left when you just, you are, the, Jared Gov for 500 fucking yards. Also, they lost by six points and the bills immediately tipped it to themselves, got down

in the five yard line, square to touchdown immediately. If they, if they just kicked it got to stop, otherwise, might have won the game. It was, he tilted for sure. That was, yeah, that was, that was a heat check. That was like literally, like, in Steph Curry and Dame Lillard in that All-Star game where they just started pulling up from the logo on every possession. Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll one time made like a play like this right before the half where he went for instead of kicking a field goal.

for the game. He said he got hormonal in that moment. And I'm like, yeah, Dan Campbell got hormonal. Six and midnight. Yeah. He's got horny. He's got horny for thinking with with his loins. For going for it. Yeah. And we also for other coaches that pissed us off. We mentioned the Jets not kneeling at the end, which was, I like Aaron Rogers honesty, which was, you know, if we were 10 and three, we probably would have done that. But three in ten, we wanted to a touchdown. I'm like, all right, sure, whatever. Or you could have like kneeled twice and then tried to run into touchdown. I just, it just, it was really weird. Yeah, literally even that. You're like, you could have made them use the timeouts.

Yes. And then you can go for a touchdown on third down. Even if you didn't, it didn't make any fucking sense. Worst ref moment. Again, don't think the refs are doing a horrible job compared to previous seasons.

I will say, though, Washington Saints, I don't know what happened, but the clock froze at the end of the game. I didn't notice that until somebody tweeted it. Usually what happens is like, it's the TV operator is like messed up and there's like an error and they correct it.

They just didn't. they just didn't fix it. And like literally the Saints almost won the game because of this. And then they, what happens is when there was a ref problem, they can request the refs do a press conference with like one reporter.

Like not like so a couple, like a couple of reporters go. Yeah. And they did. And Luke, pool reporter Luke Johnson interviewed referee, Sean Hockeley, our favorite guy.

And I'm going to read this because I couldn't believe it. Question was at the end of the game, third to last play, the Saints completed a pass short of the goal line. Klop kept running. Clock kept running. And it appeared the clock stopped at nine seconds. I was wondering if you had an explanation for the stoppage.

Sean Hockely says the covering official mistakenly stopped the clock in that situation clock should not have stopped and then they asked them was there any consideration of reviewing the stoppage

was there anything you could have done he said nope not a situation that's reviewable he's like I just kind of got away from me were you aware of the mistake Hockely that's all I have for you Luke okay literally just yeah

so like okay so if the clock What I learned from this, and I did not know, I've been covering the NFL for a long time now, is that if the clock operator makes a mistake, there was no mechanism to fix it. That's what I learned today from Sean Hocular. You know, why? That doesn't make sense.

When the play clock gets below five seconds, play clock, game clock, either clock. Why don't they go to the, like, why don't they go to decimals? Why don't they go to the 10? Why isn't it like 2.3 seconds? Why don't they do that? You do not want to get into that.

You start pulling on that thread. But they do it in like the NBA. Yeah, you don't, you don't want to, You don't want to do it. What is going on with Hypatis right now? Hypatis just got constipated. What I have it? It's like, does it give me a hangover?

You don't want that. You don't get a hangover. You know how the NBA has this rule where like, it's the cheapest drug there is? Does the guy running the clock see decimals, but we don't at home? No. No, the dirty truth is actually whether like the ex-field goal

like leaves a second or not on the clock is like totally up to like one person. I don't know. I just think it's weird that we don't see. I want to see if it's like there's 0.3 seconds. You know how the NBA like has a rule that you can't get a jump shut off and like less than I think it's four tenths of a second? Point four, yeah. Imagine the NFL in the era between when they introduced decimals and before they figure out what that number is.

Like imagine watching football a world arguing about, you know, I don't, I don't want to. I just always think it's weird when like they spike a ball and it's like there's three seconds left. And I'm like, man, but they almost got to two. We were lingering on three And now it just still says three I'm like it's really like You know 2.2 or something I don't know

You're right but Dude I don't I can't live in that world It's it's too much Leave me behind it in the old world Also my other ref thing is what's Dean Blandino's Cuck chair With this Brady booth

They're also they're leaning in now They're making it a bit It's dead It's over he just is in the corner But now they're self-aware And it's not funny Why is he there Dean Blandino does a little wave

Like he's like anti Mac Jones. He's no energy. It's really weird. He's like this in the corner. He's just like, what the fuck is he doing? Do you guys remember that character Owen from Parks and Rec? It's really niche reference.

I've never seen Parks and Rec. I've only seen like the first season. People get mad at me about this. Yeah. I know. All right. Lucille Bluth. I don't understand the stat line.

What you mentioned? Will Levis has negative fucking four points, which is impossible. I mentioned the Saints at 38 yards in the first half, which is impossible. Also, it's Oren, not Owen, sorry. I have one other stat I wanted to mention you guys, but do you have anything else?

The Ravens have more Red Zone touchdowns than Giants have Red Zone drives. That's a fun one. Depends on your definition of fun. They can't score touchdowns. DK, that joke is... They can't even get into the Red Zone. You know what's false up?

Never score touchdown. DK's joke, that's like five years old. I know. it was like Daniel Jones can't throw touchdowns that was like that joke is so and he's still he basically still on the team yeah that joke but oh my it's like

pregates the uh whatever man um this isn't a stat I don't understand but just the thing so dealer no deal island you guys see the commercials for dealer no deal island I did did you say you watch that show no I love it I think so there are so many dumb reboots and if you don't know it's new or has it been running wait you do watch it oh I don't watch it is it on yet I thought it was like coming Oh, I didn't know if it was like season three or something.

Is it a new? I'm unaware. No, they're rebooting it. I think this is brilliant. And if you don't know what we're talking about, obviously you're rebooting deal or no deal, but they're putting them on an island, which every show should just be on an island. It's like Survivor. It's like if you know Survivor.

Jeopardy on an island. Yeah. They should. You know Survivor like they have to find the totems and Survivor sometimes. They're like, what if that part of Survivor was dealer no deal? And you just have to find cases and then play dealer no deal with cases you find in Survivor. Within Survivor, there is usually a competition once a season that is deal or no deal. They just decided to make that a whole show.

Exactly. And like, I actually think there are so many dumb things that get broken out. And like, why are you rebooting this? Why are you rebuting that? This is what reboots should be? Which is like, what if deal or no deal was on Survivor? And I'm like, you know what? That's awesome.

That's like after Die Hard came out. They were just like, die hard on a boat. Undersesey. Die hard on a plane. It's sick. Yeah. I love that. Shout out dealer, no deal island.

Literally everything. Just put everything on an island. White Lotus. It works. Burn book. Dude. Okay. So we've burned in reverse order.

Marvin Harrison Jr. C.J. Stroud and Tank Dell. D.bo Samuel. Oh, God. I wish we could burn him again. DJ Moore. Michael Pittman.

Jalen Waddle. Fire. Patrick Wilhoms. Travis, T. Mark Ganges. We don't talk about that. Who did you say that? Take,

well. Another big day for tank. Six points. Can I just say Marvin Harrison today, four points? He was outscored by Greg Dorch. Tartless. Handily outscored by George. Dorch was the one who fumbled the thing into the end zone and that guy caught it.

If I had, the reason that I love the take purge so much and when we do it is can you imagine if I'd come on and said, not only will Jerry Judy like double Marvin Harrison, Jr. in fantasy points this year or whatever. But Marvin here, like, we're. how much higher are we going to rank Jerry Judy over Marvin Harrison Jr. next year? 20 spots? You know what's funny is it's going to be 30? His season will feel worse than it looks on the stat sheet. He's a good rookie receiver. He's going to end the season with like 800, 900 yards and like eight touchdowns.

And you'll be like, oh. But when you're watching it, it's a disaster, especially the last month. I'm going to buy the dip hard on this. Marvin Harrison Jr. is on the list of things that we were right about. like because we were much lower on end that everyone else because frankly I think I'm going 16th was fucking preposterous because he's a rookie and it's on the list of things we were right about that doesn't matter because I made us really low in Jemar Chase

so let's put it on that list. Hey, at least I was here. Relevant batting averages. All right. We're burning Cooper Cup, right? There's no coming back from zero points. Right? Do you have anyone else?

Should we just burn all the people who put up zero? I think we should burn Cooper Cup because here's how, here's how I look at it. last year he was one of the worst picks in fantasy full stop. Like remember how he had like the hamstring thing in the in preseason? We didn't really know how serious it was. If it's to your credit, you were really nervous about this and I was like,

ah, he'll be fine. And then he had like a high ankle. And then he like missed like three quarters of the year. And then even when he was back in, he had like three or four bad games. He was literally like, specialist in Minnesota that like had no affiliation with the team. And I was like,

I'm out. Yeah. He had one, he was one of the worst picks like he fucked your season last. year. This year, he was clearly better than that, but he fucked you again in the playoffs. So I'm not feeling good feelings for

Cooper Cup right now. I love Cooper Cup. I don't think there's another candidate. He had no points. Wow. Now you're attacking him personally. I'll shave that damn thing off. I kind of agree. It looks awful. It's cool when you have catches. It's like Mike McDaniel's personality.

That works when you're crushing. Now the tuxedos are kind of fucked up. I love Cooper Cubs. All the tuxedos are kind of fucked up. I won't officially vote him to be in the burn book, but you two can and then majority rules. But I don't want to, I don't want my name to be written on. Do you have any other candidates? I think Amari Cooper could go in there. He also had zero, but he hasn't been that good.

Yeah, he would have no points today can go in. Yeah. Najee Harris is two points today. Who? Najee. Who? Noggi had two points. That's so, that's, it's Cooper Cup.

Let's do Cooper Cup and MRI. I mean, that makes sense. But I'm not voting for Cooper. Cup. It's cup and a bar. I simply can't. It's abstaining. Yeah. Cooper cop. You're in the burn book. It looks weird, but we're doing it. All right. Thank you, everyone. Emails for ringer fancy

football at gmail.com. Emails trivia. Emails fantasy courts. Email us. Things your mom or parents or any boomers texted you that sounded urgent and what they ultimately wanted that were funny stories. Just a pit in your stomach when you see the text. Yeah. So it's like

calm, period. And it's just like, I ran into your high school science teacher. Remind me when you're taking vacation days in July. I got that today. My dad said, call me, period, at 12.

45 before the games. And I'm like, oh, God, who's in the hospital. Yeah. Call him. We got to put money on the command us.

He's right. Well, was he? I don't know. It was not right. It was not right. You fucking lost. Did you put money on the commanders?

What another fucking truth? I was, we teased them with the Ravens down to one and a half. You know what they lost by fucking one? And a half? I don't want. I was unhappy with many parts of the call. Many aspects of it.

Are your calls with your dad or are arguments more contentious? I feel like I'd be more uncomfortable listening to you and your dad argue. We're our conversations would stress you out, but I'm fine with them. Right. But you wouldn't like listen. You were born in it. Yeah, I was molded in the dark. Yeah, I was just like, yeah.

Doesn't phase me. All right. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kyle and Carlos. Thank you. Austin. Thank you.

Everyone for listening. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you. Sabrina Carpenter. This one's for you guys, because I don't know anything about her. This generation's Britney Spears? No.

No. No. sorry, sorry. Don't, how, shut your mouth. Christina Aguilera. No. No. Okay.

I don't have any others. Katie Perry. Closer, but no. Okay. It's like what Katie Perry wanted to be. Which is like interesting. Katie Perry played like a Super Bowl. Like she's really famous.

Yeah, but. Fucking left shark. God damn. That was like the best. That was the first guest you ever want to. I know, yeah. Like one of my favorite memories all time. I doubt Kendrick Lamar will have left shark. Was it left shark or right shark? He's left. Dude, he's left shark. Come on. Dude, that's like, right? If it was right shark, it wouldn't have been popular. It wouldn't have

worked. It never would have worked. It doesn't roll off the tongue. Right shark. We're out. Right shark doesn't even get out with the show. And if it was middle shark, no shot in hell. Get the fuck out. Middle shark kind of hits. left shark It goes left shark, middle shark, right shark. This segment was a fart or shark.

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