The Ringer NFL Show - Week 16 Recap, Fantasy Is Stupid, and Waiver Wire Pickups for Week 17

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

The guys recap NFL Week 16 and explain why fantasy football is actually the stupidest hobby ever. They highlight the impressive performances from Amari Cooper and George Pickens, the Ravens' dominating win over the 49ers, and the Raiders' upset victory against the Chiefs (1:42). Then, it’s SHOWDOWN TIME! The guys share their must-add players at each position ahead of the fantasy championships (41:52). RB: Tyler Allgeier (Falcons), Clyde Edwards-Helaire (Chiefs), and Khalil Herbert (Bears) (44:12) WR: Demarcus Robinson (Rams), Romeo Doubs (Packers), and Rashid Shaheed (Saints) (52:55) TE: Tucker Kraft (Packers), Gerald Everett (Chargers), and Chig Okonkwo (Titans) (62:22) D/ST: Jacksonville Jaguars, Seattle Seahawks, Chicago Bears, Minnesota Vikings, and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (73:00) Check out our Fantasy Football Rankings for this week’s positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail]  The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Happy holidays or boxing day, whatever. It's December 26th. We're recording this Tuesday. Week 16 is over, baby. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I feel like it was a bizarre, bizarre long weekend, four days of football, and most of them were disappointing, I would imagine. For your fantasy football team, a lot of stars collapsed. But today, before we get going, we are doing a little recap. And then at the end of the show, we're going to do waivers. We're going to kind of come. combine two shows and one. So today, Jack is filling in for Kai. Jack's producing.

What's up, Jack? So he's going to throw a timestamp in the old pod description. So if you want to just skip to waivers, I know it's Tuesday. I know you only have less than 24 hours to make your waiver claims. So if you want to skip to the second half of the show, we will do waivers for you lucky ducks who need that, who I guess are in the fantasy championships. Good for you. Playing for third.

Well done. Or trying to avoid the toilet bowl belt. I don't know. But yeah, you can skip to the second half for waivers. And if you made it to the finals, that's cool. You can make sure you listen to the waivers. And if you made it to the finals and the championships of your fantasy football lineup, congratulations. You are smarter and more skilled and you out hustled and outsmarted all your friends.

For everyone who did not make it, fantasy football is the stupidest goddamn activity. I cannot believe we participate in this stupid freaking hobby. And this is dumb. And this is so stupid. Does it suck that for you, Hyeth? it's not a hobby, it's a job. I literally feel like a fucking moron.

This is what the game is designed to make us feel like, though. We're going to do, we can start out of here. We have to start a little festivus here. Now, later, we're going to do a power hour tomorrow, spoiler. We're going to do the airing of grievances as its entire episode. We have to. And I'm going to try to preserve all of my grievances

for that. And we'll get to feed us, but I have to just tell you guys that Christmas Eve, Jackie's dad comes to me with his lineup. Who's Jackie? Hi Fitz. You know what, man? What if somebody's listening for the first time? They don't know who that is.

Jackie is my girlfriend. Flex. Hello. Jackie's dad comes to me who auto-drafted his way to like second place and the semifinals. That's the key of finishing football, by the way, auto-drafts.

It's like, it's like you don't name any of your pets. You just like, you show up, there's a team. You don't have any connection or attachment to them. If you win the playoffs, it's great. If you lose, you don't care because you auto-draft. You don't need us. So he asked me whether you should play Jordan Love. And I inform him for the first time he's never known this,

that the Red 32, because the Packers are playing the Panthers. Jordan Love on the Packers playing the Panthers defense. And I inform him that the Red 32 actually means that the Panthers have allowed the fewest points to quarterbacks. And the reason being is because usually teams just run the hell out of the ball. Yeah, they just... You don't need the throw to beat the Panthers. And everyone shootouts, you can run the ball. So the Panthers actually have allowed the fuse points to fans of quarterbacks.

Not because they're good, but because they just, you don't need to throw. So he didn't know this. So I'm like, well, what if you started Trevor Lawrence over Jordan Love? More shootout potential. Yeah, I can see it. Anyway, he lost by the exact margin of which he lost by starting Trevor Lords over Jordan Love. And it was basically the only advice I give him all season. And now you're stuck in a house with him for like a week.

Yeah. So like, why do I? Anyway, this is so dumb, but I, I, also. Hi Fitz, this is why you should never give, this is my policy, never give fantasy advice to family.

This is like, you don't give financial advice to family. That's what people say about, loaning money. And we're talking about with fantasy football advice. Just say, dude,

just next time, just tell them to look at someone else's rankings. There's too much involved. There's two, you have to live with this person or be, like, around this person. There's, you know,

like, inheritance potential here. Wow. They're going to cut out of the will, High Fitz. I mean, this is like big, big, big picture stuff.

Do you guys remember the other day we were talking about Sonder? It was a Sonder was the word? Yeah. Where, you know, like your whole life leads up to this moment or whatever. Like we were talking about, it's just kind of wild.

Like if you could have this random interaction with someone, their whole lives have led up to this moment. This is how I feel about fantasy. It's like this whole season has, you know, brought us to this moment where we make this one decision based on our lineups and we totally fuck ourselves because we decided to start whatever defense over,

I lost the Highfinson the ringer fantasy football league semifinals this week by like three points and my defense got zero and Hyphins's defense got seven and I'm like that fucking defense getting zero was the difference in entire season of work

that we've put in the waiver wire studying this shit and it was the defense like to me it's just like wild that this is what we do this is our hobby this is why we're so dumb so we're going to have a whole airing of grievances in our power hour tomorrow where we're just going to be so angry and bitter. But I do think we have to

start in the spirit of festus. We do have to start with Feats of Strength because also Christmas Eve doubles as Jackie Flex. Jackie's birthday is Christmas Eve. So I'm not going to lie. I was kind of out of it for a lot of these games. You know, I sure. You were doing stuff with your life. So I have a question. Jump ball here. I don't know, D.K. I don't know. How the fuck did Amari Cooper get 250 receiving us? Okay. We got to talk about Mark Cooper's day because this was like legitimately one of the greatest receiver performances I've ever seen in my life. Not only did he score a shitload of points. Like, the degree of difficulty on several of his catches was truly astounding, including

two passes that converted fourth downs, one of which, like, Joe Flacco was getting tackled, essentially, he just like hucked it up towards the sideline on a fourth down, and Marry Cooper kind of caught it, like, over his shoulder. It was, like, incredible. But if you missed it, like I said, he had 11 catches, 265 yards, two touchdowns, plus a two-point conversion, 46 points in half BPR. And this was like truly one of those games where... 46 points.

Yeah. This is one of those games where Joe Flacco was truly like, fuck it. He's down there somewhere. I'm just going to throw it towards him. You know, you always hear about that, but this is truly what's just like seemed to be happening in this game. I saw this for my guy, Daniel Kelly, by the way, not me. For people on Twitter that are wondering, like, when Daniel Kelly and I are talking, we're not the same person. This is not my burner. You know, he's a fantasy football analyst for FDN network.

I was going to say, it's like a tantal. I'm just saying it's like a terrible. Yeah, there's an E. There's an E in his last name. EY. POSSI liability. Anyway, he, Amari Cooper, this is the biggest gap, and this is PPR.

The biggest gap between the wide receiver one and the wide receiver two overall in any given week was this week. Amari Cooper had 16 more points than the second closest receiver. By the way, George Pickens, who we'll talk about a minute, had a great game too, and he was a second receiver. Can you email us at air fantasy football at gmail.com if you had Amari Cooper and you lost? Oh, God. or anyone in your league. Or even better if you had Amari Cooper and George Pickens and you lost.

Or on your bench. Both of them on your bench. But anyways, that gives you an idea of how great of a game this was. This was the biggest difference, the biggest gap between the number one receiver and number two receiver all season long. It happened to the fantasy playoffs.

Great. So hopefully you didn't lose to Mark Cooper. Isn't it funny that the Browns over the final hour, I don't know how many weeks, the offense has actually been the fantasy winner on the Browns than the defense in the final month.

David and Joku is like a top three tied end in the league. Amari Cooper has been incredible. Joe Flacco, I believe, was the fifth best scoring player in fantasy football this week. It's unbelievable. Amari Cooper, you know, first of all, Amari Cooper is the most injured player to play well every single week. I've never seen a guy look more injured and play well every week. The guy is limping a 75-yard touchdown. It's like that Greg Jennings' MADD clip from like 15 years.

Put him on his back. Where Greg Jennings is just limping to the end zone. That is Amari Cooper every single week. Every single year I undervalue him. He's like Mike Evans. He's in the Mike Evans range where I'm like, every year I go in and I'm like, Hey, Marry Cooper, he's getting older.

He's good, but he's kind of past his prime. And then every year, like Michael Myers, he just never gives up and keeps fighting through shitty quarterback after shitty quarterback. And he's incredible. Amari Qom is incredible. His best catch was the one that wasn't a touchdown. It was that one on the sideline when he somehow got two feet down.

It was unbelievable. I went back and rewatch the highlights of Omari Cooper just because I wanted to remind myself like what exactly he was doing in this fucking game because it was like, you know, same deal. I was like watching while being around family and stuff. And so I had the exact same thought that you said, which is like every time he caught a pass, he like was really slow to get up. He was like limp back into the huddle.

Like I'm like, this guy is just out there battling. It's like playing football with your like dad. out in the backyard. It's like every time he gets up, he's like, glimbing back to the line. He's got like a ham thing back. Yeah.

Still got it. By the way, Joe Flacco, three straight games, 300 plus yards. First time in his career. He's ever done that. Dude, what the fuck?

What is going on with this season? It's so ridiculous. That is so, how, can you imagine if one of us had said, I actually think we need to do a mid-season take Burge next year? Because can you imagine if when Joe Flacko

is announced as a starter when they sign him the week of? and what of us said. I actually think he'll have the best three-game stretch of his career. Yeah. Outside, like, when he won the Super Bowl. Like, the regular season, the best three-game stretch of his career. Like, how, I actually don't understand. It's fun because he is old James now.

He just launches balls. He's just absolutely flinging at every game. He's kind of, you know it two picks minimum now, but you deal with it because, you know, the Brown's defense will keep you in the game. He has a couple of deep balls to Omari Cooper, but he is genuinely just old James Winston now. I think he like died and came back to life because he basically was like,

oh, I might not ever play again and he got a second chance. And he's like, you know what? I'm just like, you know, every thing. New lease on life. Yeah. The other guy, the other feet of strength, I actually saw this one in person. So I went to the Steelers game with Jack's family. Steelers Bengals.

It was funnily enough, it was 60 degrees warmer than when we went last year, which is kind of insane to think about 60. 60. Because the last one was negative 11. Oh, my gosh. I saw photos of you on this game. And you were still bundled up. I saw him.

I was like, man, it looks cold. I can't believe it was 60 degrees warmer. Well, it was 49. But, well, I kept looking at the weather and I was like, nope, I remember last year. I'm not. Yeah, fully once. Shame on you. I can't tell you how, like, pretty bad the vibes were entering this game.

Jackie kept asking me all week, are you sure the giants are worse than the Steelers? All the Steelers fans were like, oh, like, there's grumblings about Mike Tomlin louder than they should be. Like, people actually talk about, oh, Mike Tomlin, could there be separations? Like, Andy Root the Eagles. like George Pickens is getting skewered on TV because he didn't block for Jill and Warren because he's like, I don't want to get hurt.

And just everything's like, wow, the Steelers, this could be it. And then just George Pickens, 195 yards, two touchdowns at four catches, literally just takes a slant to the end zone immediately. Game was never in doubt. George Pickens had almost his career high in yardage by halftime. And it was like the greatest game of his career. And Mike Tomlin even won two fucking challenges.

That was how much everything went in the Steelers way in this game. That's when you know it's a Christmas miracle. And Mike Tomlin's winning challenges, something's up. Did anyone start George Pickens, though? He's been bad for like a month and a half. So honestly, probably not. So it might be fantasy. I think, yeah, I would guess the starter percentage is really low.

Mason Rudolph was December 23rd. And so everyone's after the game singing Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer. Yeah, I mean, think about the variables that are involved here. Number one, it's Mason Rudolph, who no one has any confidence in, including the Steelers, because he's been like their third string guy all season. George Pickens has been absolutely, like Hyatt said,

skewered all week long because he's not blocking. Like, there is concern from my point of view that he's like going to get benched early in the game because he's like, you know, just has that attitude, the laissez-faire attitude or whatever

towards blocking, blah, blah, and then he just goes out and has the greatest game of his career. By the way, every time, I feel like every time Pickens gets a target, he looks like the best receiver in the NFL.

I don't, like the, this is what I'm saying. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't think the contrast between his production and how good he looks what he has the football is like the whitest of any player in I think George Pickens might be cocaine because you know it's just like what I want to feel like this all

the time there is no larger gap in the league in my opinion in when you throw to this player good things happen and if you don't throw to this player bad things happen I don't know why we don't throw to this guy 15 fucking times a game he is the best downfield receiver in the league it feels like maybe it's Tyree Kill and then it's George Pickens he is incredible and we got six targets this week, and at least Mason Rudolph could throw a nice deep ball today, which, Hyvitz, you should have, I know you were there, so you didn't hear the broadcast. The amount of

Mason Rudolph praise that I had to endure was so ridiculous. Oh, Mason Rudolph's really matured. Yeah, you know, like they've stuck with him all these years because they knew he had the talent. They knew mentally. He's so confident in himself. Ever since Miles Garrett hit him with that helmet, he's been a completely different person. He hasn't really been

playing, but, you know, he's been prepping and studying. Those mental reps. It was unbelievable. He's going to be horrific next week if he plays, and all of that will go to the show. Who are the announcers praising Mason Rudolph? Oh, who was it?

I don't remember. There's been too many games. Ghosts are screaming at us. I just hate when they do the first time, the backup playing for the first time this year or something, and they got to do like the whole love story about him, and then like three weeks from now, he's going to be out of the league probably?

Is this the season? The biggest theme I feel like this season is NFL teams not knowing what they have at backup quarterback. I think it's the season of backup quarterbacks playing well for two games, everybody overreacting, and then they come back to Earth. I almost think if your quarterback gets hurt, if you have a Kirk Cousin situation, Joe Burroughs situation, what I think you should do is I think you should just sign a new quarterback every week

because they'll be great in week one. And then you can't, and you cut them, and you bring in a new backup for the next week. Because these backups, for some reason, there's no tape on that. them. I've never believed to that theory. Oh, boy, they don't have tape on Rudolph. That's why he's playing so well. But I swear, it's like backups week one are great. It's like the new coach theory, the backup week one theory. And then after that, everything goes to hell. I have a half big theory in this, but like it was way more common 70 years ago to flip your quarterbacks, like to have two

guys and rotate him and put them in at a half time, flip them and like, one guy starts three games, the other guy starts their games. It was way more common in the 50s and 60s and even like the early 70s. And I kind of wonder if we're just back to that, like, ask, we felt. We felt, ass backward into that with the third of the quarterbacks in league going down. Because it really is incredible where the Giants had that with Tyrod Taylor, which is better than Daniel Jones. He got hurt. Tommy DeVito won a few games. RIP to Tommy Coutlets. He's the only backup of cashed in and all this. Speaking of speaking of like you flew too close to the sun backups this year, like Tommy DeVito's like got all the feet. Did he fly too close to the sun or

was he the only one who actually had the self-awareness to know that this will end in like 30 days. He's like, I'm going to maximize my marketing opportunities here. No one's going to remember like three years from now that Nick Mullins had four picks and 400 yards and like threw two picks while he was falling to the ground everyone's going to remember Tommy Cutlets. Tommy DeVito exploiting his own fame for like

the brief seconds he had. He's like the honey boo-boo of fucking football. Wow. Shake it down local pizzerias for like 30 grand for an appearance fee. Any talk show you want. I'll appear. How much? Did you guys see that he, like there was a pizzeria and he was doing like a 10 grand

appearance fee and then he went on money of football and they doubled it to 20 and the pizzeria posted on Facebook being like, Tommy Cullet thinks he's too good for us. We had to cancel. And he's like, dude, it's like five minutes from your house. Like just,

also apparently he fired his agent after that whole thing on TV and everything. Did he fire the agent or did he hire another publicist to like makeup? Well, what's the difference? I don't know. Same thing. Can you imagine? Does he get uninducted from the Italian American sports hall fame? If he gets fired,

no. Oh, my God. if he gets fired, yeah, probably. Do you think now that the fever dream of DeVito is gone and we're in the sober light of day, do you think the Giants organization, the front office starting him was corporate negligence and that they were truly only doing this as a fan service

despite the fact that Tyrod Taylor is 100% better than Tommy DeVito? So, no, it's not fan service. God, it was quite the fling, though, wasn't it? Yeah, the so much dayline really hits. It felt like they were like, fuck it. People are into this. Let's like, let's be a part of memes for a couple weeks. I think the reality is it kind of goes to,

I think sometimes we overthink all this stuff in terms of what the coach is thinking about. I think when Brian Dable's actually thinking about is we have won, like the job, we've won with Tommy DeVito. And if you bench him and Tyra Taylor loses, I will be blamed for making a change. And so you keep the guy in.

And if he sucks, he gets blamed. And I kind of think that's, really at the core of all this when you keep the guy. It's why you can't bench the guy after a win, stuff like that. And I know that, you know, he didn't go undefeated or anything, Tommy Cutlets. But Tyrod... I... Dude, the Giants...

I mean, DeVito put up six points against the Saints last week and yet started again. And Tyrod... Was Tyrod hurt this year? I feel like he... He was an injured reserve. So that was part of it. No, to your point... Well, that was a while ago, though.

I know. No, you're right, Craig. Like, I can't totally explain... Because you're right. Like, they got crushed by the Saints. So I can't... totally explain why. I don't know, man.

It's, it's. Look, man, they all, they felt everybody gets caught up in fame, even the New York Giants. They couldn't resist. RIP to Tommy Cutlets. Well, he might still be the starter. They haven't officially gone back. He just should always be the practice squad quarterback because he literally lives 10 minutes away.

And so, you know, he's the emergency. Like, you know, they have the emergency quarterback now? It's just him because he can just drive over watching TV. He sees a concussion to get there before the TV timeout. He should keep going. What he should do is, is like, like,

his entire career now should be just, like, exploiting those three games he had. It's like, it's like those side characters on the office and how they've never really done

anything else. But all they do, it's like, Kevin from the office, it's like, he's still just making appearances and talking about his time on the office. DeVito should just,

like, live in that three-week stretch. He'd do a podcast about it, TV show, start making merch. Well, we were going to book George Santos on Cameo and then run it on this show and pretend he was a guest,

but that he upped it to $500 really. That's a little rich. But how long until Tommy DeVito's... I don't think we can expense that. How long until Tommy DeVito's on cameo? We just book his ass and show. Dude, he'll be there and he's probably on there right now. Do you guys want to stick with another former quarterback

that everyone got really excited about for like five weeks and then turned out he wasn't any good? And Trevor Simeon, who was the starter for the Jets this week and just decided to pass DeBrice Hall 16 times. And he was the other guy I wanted to mention here that was like defeats of strength that probably won a lot of people. Shoot us an email if you had

Amari Cooper, Breece Hall, and George Pickens in your starting lineup, and you scored like 300 points because Breesaw, 20 carries 95 yards, two touchdowns, plus 12 catches for 96 yards. You had 37 offensive points. This is another guy, so going back to Daniel Kelly, tweet, the biggest gap in a week, RB1 over RB2 and PPR,

Brise Hall this week. So not only did the, running the top running back this week, but the top receiver also had the biggest gap between the first and the second guy. So like this happened in the playoffs. Great job if you had these guys in your roster. Breece Hall, uh, unbelievable week. Breeze Hall is like definitely one of the best running backs in the league that nobody talks about. Yeah. And he's been, I feel like he's just been hurt for most of the season. He's finally starting to be like really healthy and look like himself again. Um, and the jets are like one of those teams that just you cannot defend on their offense

whatsoever any in any given week. So he's like, think been really volatile, but next year I'm going to be drafting a lot of Breece Hall, I feel like. You know we don't talk about enough? So McCaffrey's the best running back in the league. But if you pick guys up and put them on an average team, what are the rest of the, like, who's second and third? I kind of think Seekoine and Breece might

possibly be the second and third best running backs of the NFL. And the Giants and Jets are just so fucking bad. Yeah, it's pretty brutal. Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you put Breeze Hall or Saquine on the Niners, they are probably having a very similar season to. I think about that all the time. how like CMC would be so disappointing on the Giants.

The other games that happen, various Christmas things. The Ravens destroyed the 49ers. Yeah. On Christmas night. The Ravens won 33 to 19. Honestly, the Ravens won by 14.

Kind of felt like the Ravens won by 40. The 90s way more. The Ravens won. The Ravens threw, sorry, the 49ers through five picks. Brock Purdy through four picks, then got hurt. And Sam Darnold came in through another pick.

So many places to start. Kudos to the Ravens, et cetera, et cetera. Lamar might win the MVP. The Ravens look great. The defense, Mike McDonald's defense quarter like, Ravens are doing fantastic. Having said that. Tough night for the cult of Brock Purdy. Dude, Purdy's MVP, his MVP odds have cratered.

Like, absolutely. I don't think I've ever seen MVP odds as volatile as these over the past four weeks. It felt like every week there was a primetime game that determined who was going to be the MVP favorite after the game. It was like, Dak, he dropped off. It was, I guess it was now Purdy. It dropped off. It was Hertz first DAC, Hertz dropped off.

Like, it's unbelievable now. Purdy's 13 to 1. He was minus 200 four days ago. I also, the fact that I wonder, I bet this hasn't happened since like the Rams, uh, Marshall Falk and Kurt Warner. When was the last time you think that a teammate went from the odds on favorite

to win MVP to not the favorite on his own team? Like, like he's behind McCaffrey now. Everyone's talking about McCaffrey. Like all the teammates are talking, even the Niners teammates are talking about McCaffrey. All the play, the family members of the players

are talking about McCaffrey and I'm like, five days, this is this a perfect example of why it's such a silly conversation. It's such a dumb award. I kind of hate this now. I'm not on an MVP.

We need to do the college football. Every position gets an award. Quarterback, running back, receiver, tight end, lineman. Like,

we just need to do that. I think we hit critical mass with the MVP talk sometime in the last two or three weeks. And I'm just like, I'm fucking done. I don't care enough anymore to like, it's just such a narrative.

It's such a strong narrative. award and like what you know especially like it's really weighted towards the end of the season like just the fact that pretty can have one bad game here

and his his odds of being the MVP are completely fucked now like that's just to be wild you know since Craig and I were born every single MVP is just won three out of the four games like for all the numbers we talk about

it just like which quarterback won 75% of their games that's who wins but um dude the nine we want to talk about Brock or we kind of exhausted on Brock I don't know, what was your impression?

Like, he did not look good in this game. He looked a little rattled. No, he looked genuinely shaky. He looked shook, to be honest. Like, I would say two of the picks were not great throws. The other two were kind of tipped passes. I wouldn't exactly call them his fault. Right.

But what was the DVOA said about the Ravens defense? It was like the last 20 years. They're like the top five defense or something like that. No, so Craig, you and I talked about this in the preview show, and everybody was like, you know, so excited about the Niners. And we, of course, were. And I think the DVO8 stats through 15 weeks, according to Aaron Schatz, was the Niners were like the third best team all time, I believe it was, through 15 weeks. And the Ravens were the 11th best team all time in the same metric, which was like a huge surprise because everybody's talking about the 49ers, how great they are and with good reason.

But the Ravens are truly a very freaking dominant team also and just kind of flying under the radar because, you know, everyone's worried about the 49ers. We both picked the 49ers. I thought the 49ers would win this. They were at home. The Ravens absolutely freaking dominated. I do think there was some like, you know, like the, the picks were a huge part of, like, the reason they dominated this game. Like, they had incredible field position like three or four times.

Yeah, I would say offensively the Ravens weren't like dominant. They just had so many great opportunities because of the turnover. Can I give you a take, though? Yeah. Five picks to only win by 14. And it really should have been seven because Darnel didn't, their McAfrey didn't get in at the half inch line. Yeah. Five picks to what should have been a seven point margin is not actually that impressive on the Ravens offense.

Right. And that's kind of what I was getting at is like this was a dominant win by the Ravens, but at the same time, I wouldn't necessarily be like, oh, the Ravens are clearly so much better than the 49ers. It was just like this was their night. You know what I mean? Like they got the best of the 49ers in this game. I still think these teams are two best teams in the NFL. You know, I think if they played 10 times, I don't know. Like it'd be pretty darn close.

Like six wins by the 49ers, maybe? I mean, if these teams faced off in the Super Bowl, the Niners are still going to be favored. And the narrative is going to be, are you going to beat the Niners twice? And it will be the Super Bowl because of the conspiracy theory that I actually believe that all that, not really,

but I kind of do, but all the color logo of the Super Bowl has revealed the Super Bowl in the last three years because it was like orange and blue and yellow, the year the Bengals and Rams played. And then last year it was green and red for Chiefs. What are you talking about? Purple.

The logo, the logo, the show. Super Bowl every year, not just the numerals, but the corporate logo of like the Super Bowl. Yeah. The official logo has been the color scheme of the teams, but they released the logo. But they released the logo like in August for the Super Bowl earlier than that. So the whole thing of like,

oh, the script and everything, but it's kind of funny. But like if the Chiefs and Ravens make it, that will be three straight years that the logo they released in August or earlier actually ended up being the team. So it's kind of already preordained. So you know what I mean? Just eat Arbys. From this game, though, like my big takeaway, getting back to, like obviously, the Raven

defense is electric. So much fun to watch. They were really truly giving the 49ers fits in terms of like disguising what they were doing, like the rotations. Their pass rush was extremely good. It did help that Trent Williams got hurt and left the game. But like the Ravens defense was extraordinarily good. Like I was so impressed with them all game long. They're tackling really well. Like the 49ers are so hard to play, I think, from an offensive point of view because they're just, they break so many tackles. They're so good after the catch and after contact. I was very impressed with the Ravens tackling. But the other thing, I think the big takeaway here is

just Lamar Jackson looked so incredible. He looks so dialed in the whole game. Like it was a great, it was a great reminder to me of like how good he is, both as a passer in the pocket and as a guy who can make plays out of structure like that. I think he had like a 30-something yard run late in the game where he like made several 49ers defenders just look silly. So I don't know. To me, that was like the other big takeaways. Lamar looked incredible in this game. Yeah, the other team that looks incredible this week, the Raiders crushed the Chiefs. The Raiders won 20 to 14. The Raiders scored two defensive touchdowns in, what was it, seven seconds. Yeah. And then Aiden O'Connell, AOC, the Raiders, the Raiders,

did not complete a pass after the first quarter. Like, the Raiders just did not complete a pass, and yet they won. How did the, how did the Chiefs lose this? I'm sorry. I, like, respect to the Raiders, but if you don't complete a pass for the last three quarters, there's no way you should lose that game. If somebody came to you and was like, hey, the Raiders are going to throw for 62 yards against the Chiefs, how much money? Would you put your life on the line that the Chiefs would win that came to?

Yeah, that's right. It really is insane. The, Schill Capote, our ringer colleague, had this incredible stat by expected points added per play, which is a really good snapshot. Expected points added per play, Patrick Holmes has had 109 starts in regular season. This was last.

This was dead last and expected points out of per play in his entire career. This is the worst start of his career by APA per play. And then the Raiders, I couldn't, the Raiders defensive line beat the piss out of the Chiefs offensive line. Like Max Crosby's obviously, I actually think he might, he's probably been the best player this year.

He will not win the award because the Raiders aren't good. But Macs, but the whole line beat the crap out of the Chiefs. Antonio Pierce, though, I love him. All the Giants fans love Pierce because he was the linebacker for the Giants and they beat the 16-0 Patriots. But he is the man.

He's the absolute man. And after the game, they had the video of him. He's like, we're going to smoke our shit. We're going to talk our shit. I was like, I love this guy. Yeah, he's awesome. He's got them playing so hard. They put up zero against the Vikings, the Raiders.

But ignore that. That's not cool, Craig. Don't worry about that little guy, you know. You know what's funny? You said the Raiders aren't good. You know the Raiders can still win the division? Stop. Wow.

Dude, literally, a month ago, we were like, wow, can you imagine if we put money in the Broncos to win the division over the Chiefs? Like, you would have gotten like 100 to 1 a lot. We literally could have put the Raiders at that time. Raiders are 7 and 8, Chiefs are 9 and 6. Somehow, if the Chiefs lost the last two and the Raiders won the next two, Raiders are winner of the AFC way. Do you remember like a year and a half ago when we were like AFC West?

This is the greatest division of all time. Dude, it's weird watching the Chiefs. This is, you know, I feel like I'm used to watching a sloppy team. The Seahawks are one of the sloppiest freaking, like, undisciplined teams imaginable. It just drives me insane. Like, as a Chiefs fan, it must be so frustrating to watch this team, because it seems like every single play.

Jack brought this up when we were talking about it pre-pod. Like every single play, it felt like chief receivers were lining up in the wrong place, running the wrong, like, motions. It felt like Patrick Mahomes. It was like literally having to go over and explain, like, what guys are supposed to be doing on every single play. He was screaming at his offensive line middle of the game. So, High Fitz mentioned the two plays within seven seconds of each other

where they scored defensive touchdowns, the Raiders did. The touchdown, the first touchdown was they direct snapped it to Isaiah Pacheco who, like, thought he was handing off to Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes. Like, first of all, what, what is this play? What are we doing? It was like a belly option, like read option to Patrick Mahomes. I don't know what the fuck that is. But anyways, they fumbled that exchange and that led to a defensive touchdown. But it's just like every single play for the offense felt like a complete cluster fuck.

And that, and Cadar's 20 wasn't even in this game. He's the glue guy. You guys are right. He was holding the whole thing together. Like it wasn't, he's not like we can just blame this on Tony anymore. It's like the whole offense. Whoever the announcer was nailed that play where they were like,

this is kind of like Andy Reed and the Chiefs trying to prove to themselves that they're still them because they're calling a weird fake read option trick play five yards from their own goal line. Guess what happened? You guys suck. But the one, Isaiah Pacheco laying down on the table and it breaking, I just couldn't have picked like on the nerves.

Just like on the nose. Yeah, way too on the nose. Also, Kelsey getting really mad during this game. just saying. Kelsey hasn't looked himself lately. I mean, he had a couple of plays. He had the hickey. You think that was real?

Did he have, he had a hickey? I mean, football player, a lot of ways you can get a little bruise in the back, but I don't know. It did look like he had a hickie, the screenshot.

I saw, I saw a tweet saying that Taylor Swift is Yoko Onoing the Chiefs. I thought that was pretty good. Yeah. No, someone else said a joke that was like, yeah,

like Chiefs, like angry Chiefs fans, like she's Yoko Ono. And then all the Swifties are like, man, the Chiefs really needed another compliment to Kelsey on the outside. They need to get these motions together.

Other, we gotta be a little positive here. Lions won the division first time since 1993. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Could be the one seed, the Lions. Lions beat the Vikings 30 to 24. As Craig said, yeah, they could be the one seed. Every, I think the Lions have delivered on like every kind of hype. Fantasy-wise, Amon Ross St. Brown's Money in the Bank.

Jamir Gibbs is incredible after a slow start. If you made the playoffs with him, you love him. Laporta wasn't as good this week, but I mean, David Montgomery scored it as well. but also just overall, how often do we go into a team and have like, this is the team we love. We love the lines this year. We love this coach.

We love their players. This is all fun. Like, they're going to be great. We think completely delivered on all of the hype and beyond. There's, and like the video of Dan Campbell, afterward in the locker room did you guys?

Did you guys? Like Frank Ragdow and Taylor Decker and these guys who've been there for basically every player would have been in the lines for five or more years. He was like, get in the center. He had him break down the huddle and was like, this is, it's so pure.

It's so. like if you can't enjoy the lion season, I don't know what you can't enjoy. I think it's going to be really interesting. As you were just talking about that, it kind of struck me like, the Raiders are probably going to hire Antonio Pierce to be the next coach.

And a big reason is, the big reason is hopefully, yeah, like you said, is that he is a culture guy. Like he gets the guys to play really hard. Like, this is an intense team.

This is the type of environment. You need the team to have to like be competitive long term. And this is exactly what Dan Campbell has brought. to the Lions. To me, like, the big question and like sort of the philosophical divide for a lot of teams is like, do we go with a, there's two options you have to hire an NFL coach these days. It's the offensive genius. You get like a Kyle Shanahan type guy, Sean McBay type guy, and just hold

on to those guys for dear life because that is like the way that you win in the NFL consistently long term. Or you get a culture guy like Dan Campbell, like Pete Carroll has been that guy for years. I don't like obviously who knows where that's going to go Tomlin. Tomlin. You know, these are, this is like the two decisions that you have, I think.

And I think the lions are going to be a great litmus test or I guess test of this theory because Ben Johnson probably is going to get a head coaching job after the season. And he's going to take his offensive genius with him. And it'll be just very, I think it's going to be just very fascinating to see like how this lion's team sort of evolves over the next year or two. I think you're right on that TK.

I have one question though. Who are the offensive genius hires who have worked? Well, I just named two of them. Shanahan McVeigh. Okay, because here's my thing with that. Kyle Shannon's the son of Mike Shanahan. Okay, okay, that's fair. Because I was wondering, like, there's the Shannon system,

but we don't talk enough about it. They're like the ultimate Nepo Babies. And like, it's a compliment, but like, yeah, Kyle Shanahan was the son of Mike Shannon. Sean McVeigh's grandfather, like, was the GM of the 49ers in the 80s. So it's like, the actually. I feel like, yeah, it's to me there's a fine,

there's a fine line between Nepo baby and literally I grew up. in the game and I'm fucking smart. Realistically, those are the, like, the best people at anything are like going to grow up in their life. Because he's been, he's been like dreaming about scheming up guys since he's like fucking like the messy of play call. Like, you know what I mean? Steve Belichick's a netbo baby.

He's not going to be good at it. Yeah. Right. I don't know. To me it's just like there's a, you know, there's obviously like, yes, nepotism is at play here. But like these guys have been around the game since they were like four years old. They're going to absorb a lot of information.

and had a lot of smarts on it. I guess the thing I'm just trying to say is that the guys that have actually worked out were not expected. Andy Reid was a quarterback's coach. He got hired. Nobody knew he was when they went to the Eagles like 25 years ago. Mike McDaniel, nobody knew it to make of him. And then Lefleur. But like those guys were so unbelievable experience that it's like it's crazy.

And I'm not saying Ben Johnson is a shoe in to be the next great offensive coach. I think it's just going to be an interesting test. I think that's going to be a fascinating wrinkle to this whole lion story is like what happens to the offense when they lose that guy. But overall, agree with all your points. Like, it's really fun to see the lions playing like this. Like, their offense is so fun to watch. Jemir Gibbs. I mean, the dude, that, he's one of the most electric playmakers in the NFL.

Oh, the juke. He had. Jamir Gibbs, yeah, he, like, set up a guy, like, fake to the middle and then, then bounce it outside. It was an incredible play. After all the bullshit, you guys go back to the beginning of the season. Remember, like, there was a couple of games there where Jimmy Gibbs was playing, like, 25% of the snaps who were just pissed. After all the bullshit, Jamir Gibbs is the running back six on the season in points per year.

it's you're right though the fact that Dan Campbell came in and did the classic overconfident new coach thing that he was this ridiculous giant man who drank 40 ounces of espresso a day and and like was talking about eating kneecaps the fact that all of this worked out and he was like we're going to start with the culture first and we're going to you know bite people's kneecaps all this stuff and it actually worked out they make this weird trade stafford for golf and this team has become easily in my opinion, the most likable team in the NFL. And I don't think anybody across the league would be upset if the Lions won a Super Bowl. Dan Campbell literally said, I think it was this year last year, like, people calling us

meatheads, like it's an insult. You know what? I am a meatheads. I love it. Like, it's just like, sick. Otherwise, we don't have to linger here. I just missed this game. The Dolphins beat Dallas, the two teams that can't beat any good teams.

It was kind of a bad game. I just, yeah. What I was able to catch at this game, and again, apologies, but it's December 26, I just didn't see a bunch of it. Just seemed like both these teams, no one left feeling great. Other than Jason Sanders, who made like five field goals. They somehow managed to like maintain their reputation of still being two teams that can't beat a good team. Even though the Dolphins technically won, they're still the exact same teams.

They just feel better about either one. Yes. Yeah, like weirdly it was kind of a defensive battle. You know what I mean? Like it didn't feel like I was expecting it to be like. this high-flying shootout type game where everyone like going back and forth, especially the way that the Cowboys defense has played lately. And it just felt more like a, you know, just like a defensive grind fest. Even though it wasn't like necessarily like a low-scoring game, it was just, I don't know.

The lack of big plays and stuff. This is a good way to button this conversation up because we don't really feel great about Dallas or Miami. We don't really feel good about the Eagles. They've been weird for about a month. The Niners just got shellacked. We don't feel good about the Chiefs. I don't feel good about anybody in the AFC South, right? Jacksonville is going to win that division, maybe.

Don't feel good about them. I guess the Lions. How many teams do you actually think are good in the NFL right now that are going to make playoffs? Yeah, that was a thought that I had doing the power ranks this week. And I actually think I saw this. High Fitz, correct me if I'm wrong, the Browns can still be the top seed in the AFC? Are the Browns a good team? You know, with Joe Flacco at quarterback, I feel like the Browns are just like this.

You don't actually Flacco just does it again. It just does the incredible playoff run for that. I know. He's like reliving it. It's wild. Are the wild card teams in the AFC better than the actual division winners? The wild cards are Cleveland, Buffalo, and Indianapolis. Like, which three teams are better? Let's say the Ravens are at the top. That's fine. The next teams below the Ravens are Miami, Kansas City, and Jacksonville.

Are those three teams better than Cleveland, Buffalo, and Indy? I'm not sure they are. I think there's three really good teams. I would pick the Browns to beat the Chiefs, for sure. Like, just straight up in a game. the Browns are so buttoned up. It's crazy that it is to say. And they're also more banged up too.

We don't talk enough. The Brown's offensive line has been like mangled this year. It's not just Nick Chubb that's been hurt. Like they're down, are they on the third string right tackle? Two on the left? Like it's just, they're down five tackles total. It's just a curve four. It's crazy that the Browns are doing this well.

But no, the bills, dude, you're so right because the dolphins are also so good, but the dolphins kind of can't gain a yard. and I hate teams that are supposed like the chiefs the dolphins like for all their offensive plays they don't have like a good third and one offense which is just crazy to think about in the playoffs right now

the Buffalo Bills are 11 to 1 to win the Super Bowl Craig you called that like a month month ago I think that's an incredible bet this is like when they're like 15 to 1 I think I like the bills I like the lions and honestly the Rams are going to be a sneaky

NFC team. I was going to say the Rams too, yeah. We don't have to linger here because the Giants, I know they bench Tommy Cutlets, we talked about that, but like the Giants almost beating the Eagles is so fucking pathetic. The Eagles, even letting that almost happen is incredible. And the Giants got screwed with that weird end of that last play.

Honestly, the Giants should have won that game, which is insane to think about, or at least they should have had the chance to win the game because they were down eight. But I, the Eagles look so flawed. It's weird. Especially because they're still kind of healthy relative to the rest of the league. The Eagles are like, the classic team that's completely lost their mojo.

You know what I mean? They like they exuded confidence and they were like so intimidating for like most of the year and they completely have like just lost their mojo. They're like Austin Powers. They have football ED. They look tired. Yeah. 100%.

Like I think this is like when people talk about momentum, obviously there's like this amorphous like idea of momentum, blah, blah, blah. I don't want to get into that debate right now. But like the Eagles are a team that just is not confident. right now. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be fun to do the momentum power rankings heading into the place. You want to do a little waivers trivia here? So we're going to do this, you know, we usually do this Monday. It's, you know, Christmas are doing this today. But if you're still making waivers and ads and stuff, major championship trying to avoid last place, whatever's going on,

we're going to go through position by position. We're going to pick. We're going to do a little trivia here too. And we're going to just try to, you know, get you a chip. So we'll just dive right in. What's up, Greg? Wait, I want to give the update here. So we've been doing trivia for the entire year. I've been keeping score. If this is like 18th hole, you're going to tell me my score? I don't want to fucking know my score.

No, this is good at stakes. This is what we do. This is the last week of trivia. And then we, I don't know if you guys remember, but last year when we did this, you double the points in week 17, heading into week 17. It's like the money ball. To give anybody a chance. Yeah.

So last year, Hyphitz won, Trivia King. This year, again, if you win the round, you get two points. If you get a point. and if you are third in the in guessing you get negative one. So with that said, I had a number, I've been keeping score all year. Hyphitz coming in in third place right now. What?

With five points. Wow. Hyphitz, sneaky bad year in tribute. You've had five points. You're saying I won five things all year? Well, again, you get two points if you're in first, one in second, negative one and third, and you were at five on the season.

He's a two out come hitter. DK is in second with 20 and I'm in first at 28. Wow. Yeah. Good job, Craig. So, D.K. How many else to get right to win? Even if this was like Jeopardy style, it ain't going to work for you, unfortunately.

But you can try to spoil us. You know, you can be like the Panthers and try and just like kick somebody out of playoffs. But, D.K., you and I have a shot here. Or you have a shot to take me down. And also, Kai, we should say, once again, chose the right person. Kai's not producing today. He's off. But he chose D.K.'s team.

DK's team was successful. So Kai once again has skirted trying to food. This is the last week of waivers, and Kai has only tried two foods. I think we'd be doing this for like seven, eight weeks. Kai has had mac and cheese and a kiwi, and that's it. So good for Kai.

Yeah. Our producer is starving. He needs more food. More mac and just needs the key. Maybe Kai's the best fantasy player in the world if he has, like, you know, eating a walnut on the line. All right, let's get to running back here. We have a trivia here from Drew.

Drew. Drew. All right. It is Drew's running back showdown time. All right, Drew writes that my wife and I had our first child in March, and we got an app that helps us track when my child was eating. But the app also tracked what he pooped. How many times did my son poop in the month of July, this newborn baby?

And he says, hint, our doctor insisted this was a totally normal amount. Wow, DK's strong advantage here. Well, I don't know if that's true. I mean, yes, it technically probably is true since I'm the only one with the sun. But like, I feel like there's a really wide variation of how often kids poop. Okay. You said this is one month? Yeah.

All right. I'm ready. Three, two, one. Six and five. What? I said 105. What did you say, Craig? 97.

It said 60. Okay. I didn't go high enough, did I? I feel good about my... I don't know, it could be the opposite. The answer is four. See, this is what I'm getting at. Some kids are like really fucking regular.

What? And then some kids just like never poop. It's wild. Four? That doesn't seem healthy to me. What's the doctor? The doctor said it was. Dick is like, I know the doctor said it was healthy, but I...

But I'm just saying like what I'm just thinking back to when Calvin was an infant. I feel like he was shitting like every couple of hours. I thought I was like three times a day. So isn't a baby poop like a different, you know what? We don't have to get it. When it's when they're real infants like just fresh out of the womb, it's like a black tar paste. It's not it's not pretty. Like fondant.

And then, you know, after a while once they start eating like more foods and things like that, it turns into different consistency. Is it three months old baby eating more foods? Well, it depends. Yeah. Some babies are just pure formulas. Some babies are pure breast milk. I don't know how early.

Is that food? I forget how early you actually introduce food to a baby. Can I admit something? Yeah. Oh, I know what you're going to say, and I agree. No, I don't think you do. What do you think I was going to say? That you know nothing about babies or timelines?

Well, that, yeah, I mean, this is a mini version of that. I don't know what the hell's in baby formula. I don't know what it is. What is it? I think... What is baby formula? You know, it's like a vitamins and nutrients and a smoothie. So, yeah, the nutrients, vitamins, minerals, protein.

I think it's like the cake mix. It's like, it's just kind of like the premix. It's the flour and all the stuff. Betty Crocker's baby formula? Yeah, that's the... What else could there be to it? You know, just two, you know, men in their late 20s. Is it just like blended up fruits and vegetables or no?

DK is kind of like puckering his upper lip because he knows how charged the breast milk versus baby formula debate is and us to Babes in the woods, Greg, have no idea how intense people feel about this. Well, I'm sure, first of all, when you say baby formula, there's more than one. So there are probably several different variations. But I just say there are formulas. I'm looking it up. There is milk, lactose, safflower oil, soy oil, way protein. Coconut oil. I mean,

essentially the idea is to replace, to give you vitamins and minerals. Drink your milkshake. Protein is all up. Protein support. Seat oils are not popular nowadays. Those are highly inflammatory. We should probably talk about the running backs.

D.K., uh, oh, wait, do I get to go first? High if it's one. DK., we're now, so he only four points apart.

Yeah. No. Uh, oh yeah, you did get less. All right, I'm not going to lie, I have no idea what to do.

Uh, no clue. Because Khalil Herbert for the Bears, who, if he's, if he's available in your league, It has to be considered because he had, what, 18 touches for over 110 yards. But Deonti Foreman missed this week for the Bears.

But like, Deonti Foreman missed this week. He wasn't hurt, right? He had a personal issue. So I, we don't know what that is. Obviously, might be serious. So, but he also might be back Deontie Foreman. Right. So I guess I would begrudgingly take Tyler Algier for the Falcons because he just is getting

10 touches. Yeah. I guess I would take Tyler Jir because he got 10. he will probably get 10 touches, and that's probably the best you'll do if God forbid to add someone this week. More carries than Bijan the last two weeks, Tyler, Alger.

I'm going to go with, if I'm up here, I'm going to go with Clyde, Edward Salar, on the Chiefs. Isaiah Pacheco with a concussion. I don't know if he'll be back. Do you know if the, did the concussion happen for Pacheco when he was on the field and got neat in the head or was it when he was on the table

and fell to the ground? I think he was literally, wasn't he going to the table after the concussion and then fell? Yes, I was kidding. just tripled it. I'm sure that helps. Yeah.

Derek McKinnon also quietly went on IR this week. So Clyde is kind of all they have. They have like Le Michael P. Ryan. Clyde weirdly was like the best player on the field, not named Mahomes in this game. You actually, maybe including Mahomes. I won't Clyde.

No. You can't get a good point. You already chose. No, no, no. You can't do that. It's only if I suggest you take a guy before I choose. That's when you give me a point. You can't steal my guy.

agreed to find a way all right fine tk um all right so since i'm last i'm going to give a few options that you have here i think i still think justice hill for the ravens is out there and he's a potential option he didn't do a whole lot against the 49ers but the 49ers defense is awesome um taj spires who we've mentioned on every single waiver show this entire season is still out there still a big part of their passing or at least a part of their

passing game uh he had six targets last week five catches 27 yards he's not doing a whole lot on the ground. I'm just going to go for the gusto here, and I'm going to take Chase Brown for the Bengals, even though he didn't play as much in this last game. They've still been rotating. Running backs with Mixon obviously had a much bigger role in this game, this last game,

but I guess I'll just go with like the really explosive guy. Wait, did Khalil Herbert not get taken already? Yeah, well, if, if Deonti Foreman's like out, then I think Khalil Herbert would be worth, like, totally, starting as a flex. I think the issue is if Deonti Foreman returns and we have very little insight

into what the backfield is, that would be tough. I think that kind of depends. I'm going to change my answer. I'm going to Kalil Herbert. And I'm just taking the risk that he may lose his job as the start.

But to me, like, he looked so good in this last game. It would be, like, weird for the bears to, like, go away from him. The bears do weird stuff, so I'm not necessarily rolling it out. But, I mean, he looked really explosive, really elusive.

He was really good in this last game. game. They have been sort of rotating their lead back over the last, like, month, which is frustrating from a fantasy point of view. But I'm just going to go with Khalil Herbert if Deonté. And then once you pick them up, if Deonté Foreman is back and you're watching like the practice reports for the Bears and Foreman is really involved, like maybe just don't start Claude Herbert. But I'm taking the chance and picking up Kalil Herbert at the very least in the waiver wire. Also, we should mention that Zemir White, the running back on the Raiders, had a great game against the Chiefs. He had 145 yards. And Josh Jacobs was kind of a decline.

cleared out in like the day before the game. If he somehow were to miss again, I think we would all agree that they're playing the Colts. Zemir White's probably the top guy, right? If Josh Jacobs is out. That's the kind of the theme for all these guys is that we're, pick him up and wait. Yeah.

For all these guys, Lil Herbert, Zemir White, Clyde, um, all these guys are definitely like more. Clyde's probably your safest bet because for sure. Chaco's had a,

like a slew of injuries this past, past month. I would say Clyde is like pretty solid. to put in your lineup. And then I would say Kulul Herbert without Foreman and I would say Algeria is if like

if you just want a guy who's going to get nine to 12 touches. It's fine. You don't feel great about it. And then everyone after that like from everyone below Chase Browns kind of go with God. Make you know,

make peace with your, make peace with your higher power. Wide receivers. About trivia. So what's the score and trivia here? So now I'm up to DK lost, right? So DK's at 18.

I'm at 30. This game is over, baby. Oh, well, that's, you know what, Craig, we should have told anyone, there's no stakes now. Well, I wanted everybody to know where we were, because then they would make the trivia more interesting. This is why the NFL wreaks everything. Okay. This showdown time, Matthew, trivia. Matthew.

It is. You know what? I know we've been trying out this new thing. I don't like it. It doesn't hit us hard. It is Matthew's wide receiver's showdown time. It just doesn't hit us hard. Yeah.

I don't know what it is. We're going to have to figure something out next time. Can I just throw this out there right now? Many people have emailed us and tweeted at us that the old way was better. Because in reality, we're not always going up against people with waiver wire. Like if you have two people that try and get the same guy on the waiver wire, then you have to do a showdown time, but that doesn't always happen. Sometimes you're the only guy to claim a guy.

We're committed, though. In the middle of the show, we're committed. Anyway, we might have just gotten over a little over our skis. A little over our skis on, like, changing it up. That's fine. Matthew's wide receiver. Showdown time. All right.

It's from Matthews. Can you believe Matthew? Matthew must be sitting there like so excited to hear his trivia question. And then he's just, we're just like, this sucks. We're just like,

this sucks. Matthew's like, all right, as a born and raised, I don't know how to say Illinois. Illinois is it? How do you say Illinois? Illinoisian.

Illinoisian. Illinoisian. Illinoisian. All right. He's from Illinoisian. There's an S in there. He went to the same high school as AOC, Aiden O'Connell. Not AOC.

Okay. he says not only should you know how high should the corn be in July not how high should corn be in July it's knee high by 4th July but also how many pounds of beef does a 1,000 pound cow produce how many pounds of beef do you get from a cow that weighs 1,000 pounds this guy's just trying to humiliate us even further is it going to rhyme is this is point so it's essentially like what percent of a cow is edible yeah

but with the number I'm going to get this I bet this is rhymes again and I have a number. I have an idea. Oh, you think there's a rhyme. I bet there's a rhyme. I hate this question. How many pounds of beef does a 1,000 pound cow produce? Oh, man, this is tough. Well, how many pounds of meat would I produce?

How much on me? I don't know. You're the cannibal expert. Bone density. Yes, this is your wheelhouse, Craig. I am the cannibal expert. You're the flesh. You're the human. flesh-eating expert on this on this podcast.

I guess if there were one person to be given that title, Bruce the three of us, it's me. All right, you guys ready? I don't fucking know. Okay. Sure. All right. Three, two, one.

$600. What'd you say? Oh, damn it. I said 600. I said 601. I said 500. Okay. Damn it.

That's crazy. You guys squeeze me. I was trying to think of what the rhyme would be. I assume that's why you said it. Watch. Everyone's screaming at us right now because it has nothing to rhyme. But if it was knee high by 4th of July, I was like, 1,000 pounds, I was like, half tonne

gives you like 601. I was thinking, what would the rhyme be? Because thousands are half a ton. Half ton, 6.01? It could have been 501 or 401 or 401. That was just a guess, man. I don't, you know what? The answer is 630. Let's go. Okay.

Fucking last place again. It doesn't mean the rhyme made any sense, but... I don't think it's a rhyme. I think I was wrong, actually. So, wait, what's the answer? 630 pounds. And this is supposed to be obvious to people that didn't come up in 4-H? No, I think it was just, I think I thought it was a rhyme and I was wrong. So 63% of the cow yields meat.

Two-thirds, is. There's bones in there. There's entrails. Who knows? Well, the entrails go on upro. You can eat some of the endrails. That's unbelievable. Like, if you were out, you know, stranded somewhere and you kill the cow, you'd have 630 pounds of meat.

What the fuck? a thousand pound cow. Yeah, but like, that's unbelievable. If you had a family, you guys are chilling for a month or a year, I don't know, 630 pounds. It's like an endless supply of food. I think so much of the reason that we overeat us as a society is that we don't have to kill our animals anymore for ourselves. You know, you wouldn't go for seconds. You'd to kill another chicken anyway.

That's a good point. That's a really good point. Hivez is making a real run here. Hyvich is kind of creeping up to DK's score, actually. D.K's down to 16 and Hyphitz is up to 13. Hyvitz could steal second. Wow. Wow. Okay, so I get to pick the litter wide receivers?

Yeah. Man, okay. So I think, so what's the deal with these Vikings injuries? Jordan Addison, T.J. Hawkinson. Do we think they're going to play next week? Because if not, I would say KJ.I. is born by default. It sounds like Hawkinson's injury is a little bit serious. Not good.

I would guess he does not play next week. Jordan Addison had an ankle injury, I believe, and so his status is going to be up in the air. So now it's Josh Oliver and Johnny Munt at tight end. Johnny Munt. Because the other guy I'm between here is Romeo Dobbs, but I feel like actually Christian Watson might come back next week, and I think Jaden Reed has a shot to come back next week.

And so it would be like Jaden Reed, Christian Watson, Wicks, and Dobbs all again. Well, Wicks got hurt too. Wicks got a hurt again. God damn. All right. everybody on the Packers is hurt right now. And so there's a level of uncertainty.

Dobbs might be like the number one guy by far going forward. I'll say KJ. Osborne because Nick Bolins is an absolute lunatic who's just like launching balls. Yeah, but he might get bench, Typhitz. Oh, my God. There's a report this morning that the Vikings are heavily considering going to like a Jaron Hall next week. Okay. Then I don't want G. Osborne. This is the problem with doing waivers like in week, whatever 17 it is. Well, hopefully you're not in this position of having to do this,

but also it's so sucks to do it. Honestly, part of me wants to just freaking take DeMarcus Robinson for the Rams because they're playing the Giants, and I just think Stafford's just on another level right now. That's probably a terrible pick. Robinson's on a heater. He has four straight games with a touchdown.

So yeah, yeah. What could go wrong? That's never going to die. But he also has an 18% target rate. He's playing an 85% of snaps. I don't think it's that bad of a choice. I kind of think that, like I kind of just like rolling with,

Stafford's playing out of his mind. Sefford's feeling it right now. And I just, that's not even like the quote unquote right pick, but I just kind of feel weirdly okay with DeMarcus Robinson. But there's, but the whole point is there's like six guys you could pick.

But K. Jasbord's probably smarter pick. It's probably four people that are smarter pick. But screw it. All right. So you're going with DeMarcus Robinson. It's a terrible choice, but I'm doing it. Craig. I'm just going to go with Romeo Dobbs.

Like I'm not going to get cute. Watson hasn't practiced since like week 13. So I'm going to stick with Dobbs. They're playing Minnesota. It's been bad against wide receivers. Yeah, I think that's a smart choice. I'm going to go with, I think it comes down to Osborne, who, again, is a big unknown because we don't know what's going on with Addison necessarily yet. I'm going to go with Rashid Shaheed.

Just stick with play the hits. You love him. Yeah, and he's been good. He had a touchdown this last week. He's very explosive. 81% snaps, 22% target rate in this last game. He's the number two receiver behind Chris Olave. Michael Thomas is not coming back.

He's not walking through that door, guys. Let's see. I don't know. Derek Carr. Let me offer you one up here that I think you'll like DK. Okay. Your boy Greg Dorch. Since Kyler came back in week 10,

Dorch is basically the leading receiver on this team. He leads the team in targets, catches yards, touchdowns with Kyler back at wide receiver. Because Trey McBride's been good. But at wide receiver, it's been Dorch. He's basically had two bad games. They were against the Niners. and then the Steelers.

Two good defenses. Marquise Brown could still be out. You've got a heel injury. And they're playing the Eagles in which you may look at that and at face value you might be scared about that, but the Eagles are giving up the single most amount of fantasy points to wide receivers this year. So, Dorch, I don't mind this week.

What about Josh Palmer too? There's Josh Palmer. Dorch, I love Dorch. There's Josh Palmer. Noah Brown and C.J. Stroud comes back. Yep. Then you're dealing with Easton Stick, though. you know.

You're putting your fantasy life in Easton's sticks hands. They're at Denver, Patrick Chartan all over Josh Palmer. Is Keenan Allen coming back? We don't know. A lot of unknowns.

Yeah. I like the Dorch one. I think I'm still going to go Rashid, though. I think because... So no one's taking Osborne. I kind of hate KJ Osborne, to be honest. Well, Osborne to me feels very volatile.

All of these guys are pretty volatile, to be honest. You guys remember in December? New Year's, Eve almost. Was it week one last year that KJ Osborne had like 190 yards and everybody thought he was like the next big thing. The next big thing.

It's just Sammy Watkins. Yes. Yeah. The Saints get the Bucks next week and the Bucks have given up the fourth most points to fantasy receivers. So that might just be the edge I need. The Eagles, though, in your defense, I've given up the most points to fantasy receivers. Doorts, dude. Don't.

Yeah. Short. Kyler likes passing to his short teammates. His short god. So are you taking Dorch then? No, I'm going to stick with Dobbs, but I like Dorch. All right. All right, tight ends.

It's questions from Will. Will. It is Williams' tight end. Showdown time. If you get first or second here, you have a chance to steal silver from D.K. in the trivia standings. I know everyone is, sweating this out. They really want to see how if it's get second.

Honestly, not coming at last. This is great. It's like waivers to avoid the toilet bowl. This is great. So we can do this for Google Maps with like just distance, like old school. I love distance trivia. What country is the largest exporter of cumin, which we got an email from someone who called it coming. They called it coming their mom called it coming their whole life. And they turned to their wife. They're like, can you pass the coming? So anyway, what country is the largest exporter of Cuban? So how are we doing this? Everyone throws a country out and then we'll Google map the distances if we need to do that. I feel like this is rot with potential pitfalls here.

Oh, who is literally closer to the country, to the correct country that determines the winner? I got to tell you, I think I know the answer to this. I'd be sick if it was California. Craig's going to be in that Civil War movement. movie. He's going to be watching it like the California, Texas, the Craig's like, yeah. California is definitely the biggest exporter of coming with the porn scene, you know, the LA porn scene. That's right. I actually don't know what's going on internationally in that America. In America, it is probably you have no idea, you've no clue what's going on internationally.

Amsterdam, maybe? I don't know. Hold on. I got to think about this. I have no idea who produces cumin. When I think of cumin, when I think of cumin, I think of tacos. You know, I think of Mexican food. So I'm like Mexico, but maybe that's stupid. I think I know this. So I need to come in first, and D.K. needs to come at last. It comes in last? D.K. just needs to come in last.

You could even get some. Come in last. D.K. just has to come in last. You have to come in last. And then you'll be. Fucking hell. You guys ready to guess? I guess.

I hate this game. All right. Three, two, one. India, China. So, yeah, okay. I thought of India, too, Hyphids. Yeah, that makes sense. What's the answer?

India. Let's go. Oh, shit. I thought of that, too. But no, but Dekh doesn't come in last. All right. He did not come in last. So does that mean Hyphitz and I tie?

So Hyphitz, Hyphids, three straight wins this round. Incredible performance. He does. So He does. So He does. goes up to 17 and DK loses 2. So, DK's at 18,

hyphen 17. Jesus Christ. I'm like the bill's missing the playoffs. My blood pressure is very high right now. Thanks for that, Craig. God damn it. I'm pretty sure last year on this pod, I completely, like,

fumbled and lost, like I went from like either second to last or first to last. So I have 32, DK 18, high fit 17. Jesus. Haifitz. Made things interesting at the end there.

Wow. You're like the Raiders and D.K. was like the Chiefs. It's like, is this going to happen? Dude, I thought. Rick is going to win the division. You want to know why I picked China? Because I was like, it's a huge country. And so I could like pick the spot closest.

You know, aren't you about a border? I'm like, I can pick the spot that's closest. Even like over an ocean, I feel like it's strategic. That's funny. I feel like China also makes the most like tea in the world. So I feel like that's. kind of in the realm of spices. Yeah.

I definitely almost picked India, though. Shit. Oh, well. Tight end, I feel like the two to start with here. Gerald Everett in these games where Keenan Allen's been out has been fine. He's totally fine. It is disgusting, but yeah, I do. I regret to inform everybody that you could do worse than Gerald Everett.

But I'm not going to take. I'm going to take Tucker Craft for the Packers, who D.K. has been banging the drum about for a month. And ever since Luke Musgrave had a... I can't say this enough. A lacerated kidney. Football, brutal. And I was thinking about that when LeBron went down on Christmas Day with the collision with Tatum.

And I didn't see it live. So I watched the video. And I was like, they barely touched each other. And I'm like, wow, football, basketball, different sports. But Tucker Kraft has just been good, man. He's such a more traditional tight end in Luke Mosgrave. But with all the Packers banged up, I'm actually going to Tucker Kraft for the Packers. I think he's a top 10 tight end in the last month, which isn't saying a whole lot.

Because he's not like averaging a tough points. of snaps. He's fun of 90% of snaps with Musgraves out, which is like elite participation. Yeah, I think he's a good player. I'm going to go with Everett. Targets in the last three games, 8, 8, 8. Could be worse.

You could have said 8 targets per in each of the last three games. Here's the number of targets he's had in each of the last three games. Eight. Eight targets. Each of last... Hyvitz, by the way, one of the things we said, one of the things we said on the pod.

Someone asked us, what are the rules of the podcast? that we set forth because I've told you I don't like doing math. And Craig and I were both like High Fitz hates when we use too many numbers. Like we use too many decimals or whatever. You just want the fewest amount of numbers possible

on the fantasy pod. That's not how, that's not how, that makes you look. No, I think, no, there are studies that are like, if you throw out like, we mentioned this. Yes. All right, whatever. I'll listen to the show. No, first of all, we love you.

Make it look like I don't like numbers. Well, but look, if somebody averages 78.5 yards a game, you would say, let's just say 78, which I agree in that context. Or 79. You just round up, but yeah. You said 78.3, didn't he? Or would you say? 0.5, which is tough. You're technically supposed to round up at 5.

I feel like 0.5 is the only one where you shouldn't round up or down. You have to say 0.5. That's a good take. Why the fuck do we round up? Just round down. Rounding up is dumb. In fantasy especially. It's like you should always round.

Half empty kind of guy, you know? You didn't get it, did you? You didn't get that fucking extra half a point. Yeah. So yeah, I'm taking Everett. I'm going to take, also with Gerald Everett, they're playing Denver, who are the worst defense against tight ends this year.

I'm going to go with Chigacanquo, who shockingly scored his first touchdown of the season last week. Derek Henry. He managed to catch a pass. which is great isn't Derek Henry is the same amount of touchdown passes

this year as Tana Hill oh wow wow is that right is it like two well I said it I hope that's right let me look it up yeah no that's correct

isn't that wild how many is it two two yeah they both have two touchdown passes Derek Kennedy quietly throws her like two touchdowns every season um yeah chig you know

45 he's had like 45 yards in basically every game the last month. They're playing Houston. Not great against tight ends. The backup tight ends have been out for a while, which I think is why Chig has been seeing a slight uptick and performance because he's been on the field more. So yeah, I'm going to go with Chig.

What a flop he's been, though, man. He was everybody's darling pick this year. Awful. All right. Disgusting, frankly. Quarterbacks to stream. I mean, first of all, just like don't, right? Like, don't.

Flacco or Flaqa. If you're a war bust. Yeah, Joe Flacco. Just ride the wave. Flacco gets a revenge game. If you're in the championship, like, you know who you're starting quarterback's going to be. Even if you're playing for third, like, you know who it's going to be.

Who would you play Flacco over? Would you play Flacko over Kyler Murray this week? Jesus. No, because... Jesus. The rushing is so real. I think Fields and Kyler watching them this week. Like, the rushing really is like that kind of floor.

Okay. What about Baker Mayfield? That's a good one. That's a really good choice. Trevor Lawrence. You play Flacco or Trevor Lawrence? Flacco. I'm never playing Lawrence ever again.

He's dead to me. Hear about that in the area grievances. Flacco, the problem is the Browns are playing the Jets, and it's on Thursday in football. And on one hand, I'm like, I don't want anything to do with the Flacco versus the Jets. The other hand, I'm like, the Jets literally could and should have had Joe Flackett.

Do you guys want me to read? These are the top scoring quarterbacks in the fantasy playoffs. This is why this game, this is why we love and hate this game. Baker Mayfield, number one. Jared Goff, number two. Jalen Hertz, number three. That makes sense. Derek Carr, who might be the worst starting quarterback in the NFL, is number four.

Joe Flacco is number five. On that note, I actually think the guy is, love fantasy. If you're in a two quarterback, you have to stream someone, I kind of do think Derek Carr is the guy. I don't think you want to do it, but I hate it and I wouldn't watch the game. But I kind of want... Derek Carr. We have to invent a word for when a guy.

guy has 300 yards passing, but like doesn't deserve any credit whatsoever. And it actually was kind of indicative if he played really poorly. Like we need to desert, like differentiate a 300 yard game that was disgusting and pathetic from one that was really cool. Because Derek, your car having 300 yards last week into the Rams, he's awful and should be ashamed of. Derek Carr has been, he, in terms of being booed by your own fans, his booed by your own fans count is like triple any other quarterback.

Was that B-Y-O-B? No, it's B-B-O-B-O-B-B-B-B-B-B-O-F. B-B-Y-O-F. B-B-Y-O-F. That's not the same ring to it. Forget I said anything. You guys know that... B-B-Y-O-F kind of works.

I like that. Derek Carr and Lamar Jackson have the same amount of passing touchdowns this year? God damn it. He can't win the MVP. I'm sorry. You can't win the MVP if you don't have more passing touchdowns at Derek Car.

Yeah. Derek Car Bar. He also, Lamar Jackson's seven interceptions, Derek Carr 8. I think we should roll over the MVP. We should just roll it over next year gets two. Derek Carr might be the MVP. Let me check the odds.

MVP candidates. This is why we throw out stats when we're talking about it. Defense is streaming. Honestly, dude, this is a really tough week and hopefully you have something. The Jags are out there and the Jags defense is so bad. They're playing the Panthers and that's one of those. They can have 30, but I'm like, I hate recommending it. There's so many volatile, volatile.

tell defenses out there. Is there anyone that leaks out to you guys? I mean, Jacksonville's playing Carolina. Yeah, but Bryce Young just had the best game of his career. That's the thing. You know, Seattle's playing Pittsburgh at home. Look, I'm telling you, a Mason Rudolph collapse is coming. I've got to tell you, I think the Bears against the Falcons is maybe all right.

But you might have to stick with who got you there unless they're playing a terrible match. because I just don't love any. Like teams, matchups that looked solid are even a couple weeks ago. Like the Colts, we thought would be a good one. Colts playing the Raiders this week. Aiden O'Connell,

you know, 62 passing yards. But in theory, that should still look good because the Raiders couldn't do anything on offense. They kind of got lucky. But I don't know.

I mean, the Colts just played the Falcons and his D.K. said he lost to me because the Colts got zero. I'm like, I don't like any of these defenses. Fucking Colts. I'll never forgive the Colts for this.

And the Bucks, I mean, honestly, you could, You could argue that the Bucks playing the Saints are probably the best one out there. But, you know, Derek Carr, MVP, Derek Carr.

But I think the Bucks playing the Saints. If I had to stream, like, add and put my championship on the line, I kind of would probably still go with them. They have so much talent. But it's tough out here, man. You don't want to be out here. God damn.

I'm telling you, Seattle, Seattle's going to put up like 16 against the Steelers in fantasy. No defense. Flying across country on the road, no way. It's not going to work. I like how it's me and Craig being cynical fans against each other. I'm like Seattle's defense is going to do well. You think the Seahawks defense is good?

Also, what do we think about the Vikings defense against the Packers? The Vikings D just the odds of like they could get shredded, but also the Vikings D pick six potentially. Yeah, the Vikings D is just so like they're also volatile. Throw the kitchen sink at you, you know? I feel like this is so important for everyone listening to the championship to know a defense. But I think the reality is we probably have to, you probably have to see what quarter.

backs are playing. Honestly, I would pay attention to a lot of the offensive line situations enter the week because these are all very precarious matchup-based thing. And I kind of want to lean toward which teams have the most baked-up lines as a tiebreaker. Kind of like how the Niners collapsed without Trent Williams. There you go. So Craig is the trivia champion. I'm the trivia god.

Good job. Also the Bucks. Can we give one official wreck? I think the Bucks versus the Saints is the one that I would have to lean to. word. Good luck betting against the MVP. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Yeah, so Craig wins. And I, damn, I have one shy. DK., you want to do a head-to-head right now? No, I won. We're all in the line? What are you talking about? Yeah, walk-off.

It's a walk-off. I already won. What are you talking about it? You don't do overtime when the- No one-double-check. You don't do overtime when one team scores more in regulation. No one double-checked Craig's math. It's within the margin of error.

It's a single point. No one double-check's your trivia answers every week. We just assume they're right. Because I, no one wants to. Well, sure. Okay. Okay, fine. That's neither here nor there.

All right. We are going to be doing our Aaron grievances power hour. D.K.'s waivers are at fancy football.com. We'll see written version of what we got here. Merry Christmas, everyone. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Jack, for pinch hitting for Kai.

And thank you for listening. We hope you had a wonderful holiday. and spreading cheer and joy to everyone. And then our next episode will be full of bitterness, hatred, and general resentment. So much. Yeah. So much resentment. I'm coming for you, Cooper Cup.

Thank you, Lauren. That's Lauren. Thank you, Tom Waits. Okay. Not really Christmassy, but I like it. I think he has like a Christmas something or other feel like. I know, but it's like Christmas and you're not going to like do it. Well, who'd you do on Friday?

Who's the band? Brenda Lee? Nothing Christmas related? No, Brenda Lee. She sings rocking around the Christmas tree. Oh, you know what? That really is exactly proper. It's a properly rated song.

Tom Wait says a song called Christmas card from a hooker in Minneapolis. Very Christmassy. Ho, ho. You know, who among us hasn't been there. By the way, Hyvitz, how is your... He has not done that, throw the first storm, you know?

I let the fans know that The reason why you missed the last show was because you were out looking for Dolly. Did you find her? It turns out Dolly was with me the whole time. The Dolly was the friends we made along the way. The Spirit of Christmas. Colley's always been with me.

I got to get you a Dolly Part and Ornament. So Jackie stopped listening to the show because, I mean, God, God bless that you ever started. And I had to catch her up on the Dolly discourse. Okay. And I told her, I was like, you know, I, you know, it's just basically, you know, when it comes to Woodie with Dolly, it's like, are you lying to yourself or you're lying to me? That's all I was wondering about you too.

And I said that to Jackie and Jackie's like, you know, considering how much of Dolly has been updated. She was like, you might as well just get a sex doll. Your girlfriend suggested you might as well just get a sex doll because you're so horned up for 75 year old Dolly partner. She said, if you were going to do that, why go through all the effort? Just do, you know, just. That's true. you guys have nothing to say to that wow you guys are just stunned okay I don't know much about sex doll culture have you seen Dave

literally that was because we watched Dave last week that's why wait what's what is the sex doll culture he has a the beginning of Dave is an incredible bit where he has a sex doll but he long story short of those inflatable ones he also has a poster of Drake on his wall and he like he can only come though when he looks at the poster of Drake oh my god also the sex doll at the beginning of the show is like this disgusting

like a rubber like waist down only doll and then at the end of the show he gets like a really updated like very human looking he's rich and he pays like seven grand for like a perfectly made sex doll

but he also has a girlfriend and she's like kind of okay with it Dolly Parton oh my god what's the wait did we already was she making the pun sex dolly

oh no that she did actually. Oh, wow. Sitting right there. Missed opportunity. Yeah. We're sitting right there. All right.

Well, now we can't cut any of this because that pun's too good. I think they have to cut it because I think I told one of her mom to like listen to this episode. If you're, if Jackie's mom gets to minute 80 on December 26th of this pod,

then that's fine. We're just going to have to take that out. Yeah. We need that retention. That's impressive out of her. All right. Goodbye, everyone. I'm sorry.

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