The Ringer NFL Show - Week 16 Recap: Lawrence’s Leap, Steelers LMAO, Seahawks Insanity, Clutch Caleb, Old Al Michaels, and the Holidays Are Coming

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

The guys recap all the NFL Week 16 action by going through categories such as Winners and Losers, Fart or Shart, Intrusive Thoughts, and so much more. (0:00) Intro (1:41) ‘Sunday Night Football’: Patriots-Ravens (9:34) Winners and Losers (13:24) Jaguars-Broncos (18:11) Packers-Bears (28:11) Rams-Seahawks (50:50) The Oppenheimer Award (55:20) Airing of Grievances (01:02:28) Fart or Shart (01:09:44) It’s So Over. We’re So Back. (01:10:59) Steelers-Lions (01:27:27) Intrusive Thoughts (01:35:27) Tom Brady/Magic Johnson Tweets (01:43:38) The Lucille Bluth Award (01:49:20) Fantasy Burn Book Discord link: https://discord.com/invite/WdtQNSdDUc Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, Ronak Nair, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyattvitz, and I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Rolbeck. We are going over all the games from week 16 of the NFL season. Semi-finals for Fantasy Football. Ravens, Patriots, Lamar, sick and hurt, and then six third-string quarterbacks, and then actually some quarterback heroes and also a bunch of other stuff. So stick around, everybody. We have a great show for you tonight.

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on eligible secured chime visa credit card purchases. APY means annual percentage yields. Learn more at chime.com. All right. Sunday night football just ended. I don't even know how the Ravens ended up from winning before the two minute warning to somehow the Patriots, having to kneel out too much. time on the clock and Drake may have into waste time because they had such a lead.

But the Patriots even blew our own minds with how much they could blow a lead so quickly. I want to get into Lamar getting hurt in a second. But D.K., I just feel like Zayflowers fumbling that ball and said the two minute warning. I just feel like that's the Raven season, maybe this era of the Ravens. The last few seasons, it feels like just Zayflowers fumbling it away. Yeah. Or Mark Andrews making some crazy ass boneheaded play, you know. Derek Henry fumbling week one of the season.

We go. There we go. We got the Ravens trifecta tonight. Lamar being sick this week with the flu, then getting injured. On the most innocuous play, like, you know, this is like we always joke about. It's like, oh, that didn't look bad. He's probably out for the rest of the season. And then, like, he got need in the back or something.

And it didn't even look bad at the time. It looked like he just fell down. So classic. I think I was mostly catatonic for most of this game just because Lamar losing or Lamar going out of that game lost me in my main home dynasty league lost me the the game so that was kind of tough. Yeah, this was the real nail in the fuck you coffin from Lamar for the fantasy season. But the only thing I did notice is Drake May looks fucking amazing.

That's that's about all I can take away from this game. Yeah, Drake May's awesome. Lamar bizarre. I feel like if you had Lamar in fantasy like I did, your season just followed him. Your season was probably similar to the Ravens where you probably started pretty good. and then... So not like the Redens. Oh, I guess they lost the first game.

But you know what I mean? Well, they went one in five to start. I guess that's true. But Lamar was playing well in fantasy and then you were probably playing well. And then of course, Lamar leaves. You're terrible. Lamar comes back.

You're surging. He's terrible again. You're surging back. And then maybe you were in a wildcard spot with Lamar in fantasy. And of course, or in the semifinals with Lamar in fantasy because he was decent last week. And he got, what did he get?

Five points? Four points? Four points before getting hurt. Just absolutely just stabbed you to the person. brutal. I feel like that was also just a larger extent the entire day for fantasy and also just if you're watching you don't even play fantasy. I mean, I counted, I believe I have this right. If you count money into football, there are six third string quarterbacks who played this week. Third string. Like a lot, I'm counting a half. Not even counting. I'm not even counting Dylan Gabriel

coming in for like a like a drive to replace shooter Sanders. Tyler. We'll get to the chiefs guy whose name I already forgot. Chris Alatikin? Oh, yeah. Dude, that was. I, I, I, I, Do we even want to do that now? I mean, we don't. We don't need to lead with Chris. What is it? A lot of kin, we don't need to talk about him right now.

Did you guys feel like the Ravens were ever going to win this game? Like, I don't know why, but it didn't matter how much they were up. I was like, our Patriots are going to win this game. I thought when the Patriots ran a fake punt on a fourth and 10 that they were going to lose the game. Because that felt desperate,

and it felt like the Ravens were in control at that point in time. It felt like Vrable was tilting a little bit. I know. That was probably, Vrabble's like worst call of the season. Well, that's one of the, those, I don't know if it was a bad call or they just thought the Ravens wouldn't be prepared

and the Ravens were weirdly prepared to cover a tight end going out for a route on a punt. Part of me is like it's one of those that the Ravens weren't prepared, then the Patriots would look like geniuses. Yeah, I don't know. I'm also of the mind of like, I'd rather probably just have Drake May try to get me 10 yards than a fake punt. Right. Or just punt the ball away to Tyler Huntley.

That's, I think, a better argument is just punt the ball away to Tyler Huntley. But they won the game. And again, they wanted, again, the Ravens lost in the most Ravens fashion. Flowers running with the ball on his wrong arm, sideways crab walking, which I feel like Say Flowers does as much as any receiver. And then, D.K., you nailed it the trifecta. The Mark Andrews play throwing it was actually what the crazier plays. The craziest thing he's ever done? Because it didn't count, I feel like it's going to be lost to history. If that play counted, that's one of the stranger plays I've ever seen. Like,

even that Jacoby Myers play where he threw the ball all the way to Chandler Jones and the rate, like, even that was like, okay, it's the last play of the game. What was Mark Andrews doing. I mean, it's it was the type of play you see a quarterback make when when like a pass pressure has the back of their jersey and they're just trying to throw the ball away and they like chuck it backwards 50 yards. But this is like a tight end who had caught a pass and was running down the field. All of a sudden he decided he like he he like short circuited. He decided he's got like lateral to his to his teammate and someone had a hold of them so he like just chucked it. Was that part was it a hook and ladder or anything like that or no. I don't think so.

It was like run after the catch. It looked like he was. was planning to do it. I feel like it was either pure impulse. Maybe it was a design like Kelsey thing. I hope it was. Do you know what it really looked like to me? Did you ever like play Madden or any video game on a Xbox or PlayStation? And then you like try to learn on someone else's control, like someone else's system.

And then you think that like what the R1 on PlayStation is something else in Xbox. And you're like, oh my God, I lateral the ball like 40 yards sideways because I don't know the buttons. That's honestly what it looked like. It looked like a total mis. It looked like a glitch in the matrix. Yeah. Yeah. Poor guy.

Anyway, that's not even the best. How great the Patriots are, though, I feel like. This was a pretty good statement win for them, I think. Is that where you, Craig, do you think, have you had enough greatness for the Patriots in the last 25 years? I don't know if I would call this a statement win for them. This was like a survive in advance. Like I, they should have won the game and they did.

And this late in the season, teams are beat up. And it's like, if you can just get a win, that's important. But I don't know. I think, I think Stefan Diggs was fucking incredible tonight. That guy has recovered from an ACL. after 30 years old better than anybody I can remember. He tore it week eight last year. Since Christian Watson, RIP.

Yeah, but I'm saying a guy over 30 years old. Like, Stefan Diggs at his age, doing this and coming back, he tour at week eight last year. He had nine catches, 138 yards today, and is just still so clutch and just has such good game feel, and he's such a, like, a dick on the field in the best way. Like, he's just like awesome. I feel like if you have a little team. Totally. He was great.

I don't know. I still think with the Patriots, like this game, I'm, I'm, I'm just, I almost had them in. I had them penciled in in fart or shart because things were starting to smell a little bad. Yeah. And they pull out the wins and you can't really do it. But I think this game shows me, Trayvon Henderson also got hurt with a concussion. He went out with a concussion. I'm like, this team is a little bit like the bills to me where it's kind of just the quarterback and how much can Drake May pull this team forward through the playoffs? They've had a very easy schedule. If they have to play like back to back to back great teams and it's just Drake

May in a pretty mediocre kind of talent pool around him. I don't actually know if I feel like the Patriots are legit contenders. I'm curious what you think, D.K., I think the Patriots, I still feel like they're probably the best coach team in the NFL and the combination of Mike Vrable and Josh McDaniels, who I don't love, but he's clearly incredible at the coordinating job. But between him and Vrable, I think this is the best coach team in the league. I mean, I'd rather have Sean McVeigh coaching. Sure. Yeah. Okay. It's the top tier. I think they're up there. They're up there in the top, whatever, you know, the top third for sure, top 10 maybe.

I wouldn't say that the best coach team in the NFL, but, um, I mean, considering the players on the team, I, I do feel that way, but I will say, I don't think the Patriots are Super Bowl team anymore, which I already was a little dubious of just because Drake me hasn't been there, but the injury is stacking up. I mean, so Will Campbell, the left tackle, he's hurt, but he might come back, but then, uh, Morgan Moses went out of this game and then immediately Thayer Munford, his backup immediately gets hurt, Trevianne Henderson gets hurt. They're just stacking injuries. the offensive line, which is already, frankly, kind of a weakness.

They can't really run the ball. But they win anyway. So, and then Ramonja Stevenson comes in. It ends the game on the Ravens. So I... And Ramonjeet, it looked good. Remangio looked great. Probably good enough for Trayvon.

They never touched the ball again. Cool. Okay. We have probably another decade of this Patriots team being great. So why don't we just move on at the other games here? Yeah. Yeah. Winners.

I can't remember in the entire history of doing the show, three clearer winners. than this week starting, Craig, I don't know where you want to start, but... Yeah, I was kind of forced into not taking the Steelers. I'll get to the Steelers later. They are not probably one. If I had to pick three winners, the Steelers are probably fourth.

So I wanted to go with Trevor Lawrence and the Jags beating Denver in Denver. The first home loss of the season for the Broncos. They won 34 to 20. The Jags are now 11 and 4. They have a shot to be the one seat in the AFC. if they win their final three games or I guess they're final two games now and if the Broncos lose in either week 17

at Kansas City or in week 18 to the Chargers the Jags could be the number one seat in the AFC which is just unbelievable I mean from where this team was at the beginning of the season and Trevor Lawrence has been so good today was the best game I think I've ever seen him play he looks like he just did a six touchdown game

like what was that last week or the week before? Yeah but this game was so much more important and against Denver's defense and like totally His command of the game, he had no turnovers. He had four touchdowns today. He just looked like all of the physical tools were finally, or like the mental aspect of the game

was finally catching up with like how gifted he is physically. I thought he was almost perfect. And he really has been basically since they're by. So they had their week gate by. Since then, Trevor Lawrence is the QB2 and fantasy, only behind Josh Allen. They've beaten the Chargers, the Colts, and the Broncos over that stretch. Since week eight, he has 14 touchdowns and zero turnovers.

And, you know, this is like, how long has it been? This is his fifth year in the NFL. And now you're like, okay, how old is he? 26 years old? I'm like, I might be starting to believe now. The Liam Cohen thing seems to be working. The defense is pretty good. This is a roster that I feel like he can take forward and actually make a splash.

I know, it's like, it's been a roller coaster for me this year with the Jags because I think I came into the year and I even said this on Bill's pod that I'm like, I think the Jags thing is going to work finally. I think I'm actually finally ready to buy in. And then halfway through the year, I was like, I'm out. I'm out. And then you know what? They've won six games in a row. And in that stretch like Craig laid out, basically Lawrence has been the best quarterback in NFL. In the six games that they've won in a row, he's number one in touchdown passes, yards per pass a rating success rate. He's number three in EPA for dropback. And I think vibes wise and just visually, he looks different. He has like a pep in his step. He has more confidence. He's more assertive.

he's more decisive. He's got a little more swagger, I don't think, than I think I've seen from him since, like, college, like legitimately. Yeah. Like, yeah, totally. He's like, he finally feels confident, it seems like. I was going to say that, yeah. Physically, he's obviously so gifted.

He's also running really well. Yeah. He's got more rushing touchdowns this year than Bejan Robinson, Trevor Lawrence. That's wild. He's got seven rushing touchdowns this year. That is shortlist stats of the year. Just nuts. But he's like at that he's kind of like, when they're inside the 10 now,

like he is as big of a threat to get into the end zone on his feet as any quarterback. It's like Josh Allenham, it hurts. It's also funny too. I think the story of the Jags is they started out. Things were really hit or miss. It's like it's like getting a car warmed up. Like it was just like they were sputtering to start the year. And then as they've gone along, everything has gotten, they've come together as a team.

Like I'm actually looking at the receiver core now and I'm like, this is a really good receiver core. They have too many good receivers now. Parker Washington was freaking awesome. today. You know, Jacoby Myers is established sort of just like that veteran leadership. Just the foundational guy that's going to be there and catch everything. You still have Brian Thomas. They'll get, they'll get a Hunter back next year.

And like, this is actually a pretty, and then Brenton Strange has been really good at tight end. Well, so the Jaggers won this game 3420. I want to talk more about Lawrence, but you mentioned Travis Hunter. Yeah. It's kind of funny. They don't need him. No.

It's, it's kind of really funny that they go on and beat Denver and you're like, oh, yeah, they're getting Travis Hunter back. Cool. And it's like. Wow. When I watch this team, I don't think they need a wide receiver. I mean, are they, they're probably like six and one since Hunter went down. Yeah, they paid 60 million. I mean, they gave Jacobi Myers $20 million a year in extension this week, which totally earned. He played amazing and then they played great this week, Parker Washington.

Frankly, you can't take, it's actually kind of a problem because you can't, watching this Broncos game, you can't take Parker Washington off the field. You can't take Jacoby Myers, Thomas. Travis Hunter's probably wide receiver four on this team. They'll definitely bench Parker Washington. You say that, but Parker Washington took it out route, passed between Patrick Sertan, who's the defensive player of the year, and Tala Noah Ovanga, who was the big safety signing for the Broncos

this year, he split him, and went up 70 yards, took him to the Red Zone another trip. I'm like, it's one of them, you know, the old saying, a couple inches away from having a good team. Like, honestly, they got better after Hunter went out for a reason. I don't think it's because of him.

No, I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying it's, it's just funny happenstance, but I will say, yeah. The thing about Lawrence's playing, well today. I think the Broncos defense played well, which I think is important here, which this, I mean, the Jaguars won 3420, but I think both defenses in this Broncos Jags game played well. And I think both quarterbacks played well. I think the difference is Bo Nix hit open receivers. Trevor Lawrence hit covered receivers like all day. Like the touchdown of Parker Washington, he was

covered. The touchdown to Brenton Strange, he was covered. Like, I mean, the part, I just feel like over and over again, Lawrence was just making chicken salad at a chicken shit. He was ripping. He was He's riffing passes, man. And it just muddles the AFC even more, where at least like Denver was a team that you could be like, well, you know, I guess they've won 11 in a row. What are you going to do? And now I'm like, I wouldn't trust any of these teams to cross the street,

like in the playoffs. Outside of Josh Allen and the bills, I'm like, do I trust Bo Nix and the Broncos? No. Do I trust Drake May and the Patriots? I don't think so. Am I trusting Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence in the playoffs when shit matters? Still probably no. The Steelers, no.

The Chargers, I don't trust. Texans. Texans almost lost to the fucking Raiders today. I just the Jax more than a lot of those teams and I can't believe I'm saying that but I do now because I,

you know why? Because we've seen it for a month from Trevor Lawrence. We've seen it for a month. He has one of, he has no turnovers in four weeks, which is, I mean, 14 touchdowns and no turnovers

over his last four weeks. DK, if you had to quickly power rank, we're going to do mini power hour right now. Power rank, how much you trust the AFC playoff teams? How are you doing it? Um, I,

man. I do think I still trust the bills the most just because they have a superhero quarterback. Yeah. I mean, I think the Jags might be next. See, that's a problem. But that says more about the AFC field than the yeah. Well, it's not the Chargers because honestly, Lawrence is like Herbert, a 6-6-6 freakazoid, but like the charges are the the Chargers are. The Chargers are even more of the Jags than the Zags are.

It's not the Steelers. You just expect that they're going to melt down at some point, even though Herbert was awesome today and all that stuff. But I think what Craig's point is that this is a wide, wide open field. Maybe you're right, I guess. Maybe the Jags are starting to prove themselves against these. I mean,

you know, you actually go through Jacksonville schedule now. Dude, they have not lost to a, every loss they have is totally, like, acceptable. I guess week two,

they lost to Burrow and the Bengals. That's their worst loss by a mile, and that was week two. Since then, the only teams they've lost to, Seattle, the Rams, and Houston.

And you know, it's sneaky. They actually put a points on Houston. Yeah, they lost by seven, 2936. Yeah, and they lost the team.

Seattle by eight and they got killed by the Rams. But I'm like, they've beaten every single team that they were supposed to be and they've hung in all these games against good teams. Yeah, it sounds crazy to say you trust Jackson. It sounds like we're prisoners at the moment, but the reality is, do you trust Jackson or Denver? I think today was kind of definitive.

Do you trust the Patriots or the Broncos more? Denver. No. I think I trust. I just like put my trust in Drake May. It's one of those, like, I can't explain. I think I trust. I think Denver's, I think New England's defense is not good.

They're not a good team. Patriots aren't a good team. They're just really well coached and they have a good quarterback. You can't quantify the coaching aspect. There's no aspect of the roster. You can look at New England and be on like six players and be like, oh yeah, they don't match up well with anybody in any aspect other than just, well, they end up winning all these freaking games. So the Patriots will be really good later when they actually add talent.

For sure, for sure. But yeah. The other, I think while we're on the topic of former number one picks who have reached their potential with the transcendent offensive coordinator turned head coach that has just delivered immediately maybe a division title. We should probably talk about the Bears

and Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson, which is honestly a very similar thing. I feel like the winner, the real winner this week is patience and not judging number one picks that are like irrefutably talented. The Bears beat the Packers on Saturday night, 22 to 16.

I could go through the whole, like, TikTok of the game if you want, but I mean, the Bears went and scored 10 points inside of the final, basically 90 seconds. It's the bear's sixth win of the year where they were losing the final two minutes and won, which is more than more games they won last year. Yes, it is. Total, yeah.

Yeah, in total. It's the most games anyone's ever won after trailing in the two minute warning ever. It's never happened before. Caleb had a clutch. People say that's like regression is coming and maybe that's true, but I still think that the value of the experience of being in those games and doing that is worth whatever regression comes in the future. Like being in those moments and having that ice in your veins,

that throw that Caleb made the game-winning touchdown is like, is that the best throw? Is that like a top five throw in the history of Chicago? Is it the most important bear's throw in the 21st century? Now, I guess they went to a Super Bowl, but I'm like, I'm thinking about just like how impressive in terms of skill and level of difficulty and how important the throw was.

That's got to be pretty up there, the 21st century. Did you see it too that when he, he let go the ball and then put his hands in his pockets to watch the rest of the... For the fros. Yeah, that I see. So which one? You mean the 46 yard touchdown? I'm talking about the DJ Moore game winner. 46 yard walkoff touchdown and overtime just to sit the scene a little.

It was first of all, it's confusing because there's a fourth and four touchdown he threw with like 30s, with like 17 seconds left. That was with like a zero blitz, like pressure in his face, fourth and four touchdown. Then they go to overtime, the 46 yard walk off to DJ Moore. So to your point, Craig, to take all context out of it, even with zero context, just a vacuum, that was the third longest completion in terms of distance by in Caleb Williams' entire career. And it was literally with the walkoff game on the line in overtime versus the Packers.

And you talked about Trevor Lawrence, like, was hitting cover guys. Like, DJ Moore was not wide open. Like, he was blanketed and he put that ball right in his lap while getting pressured. I mean, that is as good as it gets. It was the whole drive. too is anticipation throws to like there was another throw on that drive where yeah he you know let go of the ball before DJ Moore had even like turned around um so yeah I mean I think can't say enough about the late game heroics for Caleb like again he's been he's done this a couple different times

this year and so that was really impressive did you see he was wearing a he went to some charity event today and he was wearing a cheese grater hat on his head well I mean here's the thing though Caleb Williams, he was a Packers fan or at least he was an Aaron Rogers fan and Aaron Rogers, Caleb based his game on Aaron Rogers. And when he was drafted by the Bears, I wrote for the ringer, I wrote a column and I was like, Caleb

is Chicago's chance at an Aaron Rogers, and Aaron Rogers, like the whole joke was Aaron Rogers owns the Bears. He's their owner. They changed his Wikipedia article. And then he went to the Jets and they couldn't beat your love either. And they were one and 17 in their last 18 games. It's not just that

Caleb beat the packers. It's that Caleb looked like Aaron Rogers looked at the end of the game. It's like the Bears beat the Packers with their own version of Aaron Rogers, which it's hard to even explain how significant that is. But the Bears have never had a good quarterback. The Bears invented the quarterback in 1940, the forward pass, like the modern D. The Bears invented the quarterback, and then they never found a good one ever again. Until now, until this week. Yeah. I think Packers fans would probably like for us to point out that Jordan Love missed most of this game because he got concussed in the first half. And then Malik Willis came in. I thought Malik Willis played really well for the record.

He played great. But yeah, I think that that should be said at some point here. Let me run through the quick. This game was crazy and this was the biggest probably the biggest game of the whole week. But the Bears were down three nothing at halftime. And it was kind of like a stalemate game, like a World War I trench game. And then Jordan Love gets concussed. Malik Willis takes over.

Plays well, a lot of short passes. But he has a deep touchdown of Romeo Dubs down the sideline. the left side line. It was a great throw, and it really kind of, I think it changed the way that the Bears had to play defense on them, too. And then the Bears kick of, so, but there's, so the, again, well-coached game by Matt LaFleur. And in any other contexts, we're talking about how the Packers and Matt LaFleur, another time Malik Willis comes in, doesn't matter.

Two years in a row, Jordan Love gets hurt, and then Matt LaFleur just pivots. And so they're up 10 points with like 90 seconds left, and the Bears kick a field goal. The onside kick goes to Romeo Dobbs, who blows it and takes, takes the ownership for the and it goes right to him. And weirdly was like a play in Bama, Oklahoma, where a guy's, honestly, he's on his knees and the guys are just sprinting at him. He's like, I'm going to die.

Like he's going to get destroyed. And he just loses focus. Bears recover. Get the touchdown on fourth and fourth, 17 seconds left. Go to overtime. Packers fumble a snap on fourth and one. Malik Will's fumbles the exchange.

Bears get it. And then D.G. Moore catches the 46 yard touchdown. Flops like he's dead on the end zone. Yeah. I thought for a minute there, maybe he didn't actually complete the catch. Did you guys know?

It was knocked out. Yeah, that was hurt. Or win knocked out of them or something. Did they ever do like a review of that? Or do they just sort of like, yeah, that's good. The game's over. They're like, it's fine. Everybody's on the field.

I guess we'll just let that go. He was also wearing a cheese grater in the locker room. So he was fine. But yeah, I mean, frankly, I thought this was one of the biggest wins in Bears history that I can remember the regular season. I thought it was unbelievable. And I just, I think it's worth agreeing on just because Jim McMahon, who is probably the best Bears quarterback.

ever just because he was on the 85 bears said when Justin Fields was drafted, that Chicago is where quarterbacks go to die, which is an incredible thing to when from the only good quarterback you've ever had says that. And I think that what Ben Johnson has done is he's in ones, in 10 months, 11 months, he has turned Chicago from a place where quarterback go to die to a place where quarterbacks can thrive. Like what he's done with Caleb, the under center running game, which again was dominant it in this game like Minangai and Swift who's banged up once again just looked unbelievable.

And then Caleb, frankly, was kind of a game manager in the middle of the season. Like Ben Johnson himself said, and I quote at a press conference, we're winning in spite of the past game, not because of it. Like that was the coach said that. Yeah. And then this, the last couple weeks, it's like Caleb is the, like when you add in the fact that Caleb now is meeting the moment and just doing things that like four or five other people on the planet can do, I, I don't think the Bears will lead the league in turnovers

next year, but it's really, really, really cool to see Chicago have an awesome quarterback. He did this in a game, too, where he was missing Roma Dunes Day. He was missing Luther Burdon. DJ Moore and him have not had the most chemistry, I'd say, of any two quarterback and receiver combo in the world. All it takes is a couple touchdowns and you're back. Yeah, I know. He was so happy DJ. I was like, I forgot what a happy DJ Moore looked like. When he was getting interviewed after the game, I was like, oh, that's what he looks like when he smiles. Oh, man. I've been waiting to see if he got a happy. added a concussion protocol because I just still kind of wonder if he just was exasperated lying in the

ground or just literally knocked out got up. It was like, oh, I'm on TV. That's cool. Dude, this is like this, what Ben Johnson has done and what a lot of these first year head coaches have done, this is going to be one of the more difficult coach of the year awards. It's like the dream team of coach of the year candidates. You have like Liam Cohen and Jacksonville, Vrable in New England, Ben Johnson with Chicago. This was a generational head coaching carousel. The best coach carousel of decades probably and the Giants fired Brian Dable nine months nine months after all these guys were hired.

Dude, I have a hyphids, I'm sorry. This is not an intrusive thought. It's more of just like a half-big take. But watching Malik Willis come in, this is now the second stint where he's come in and look great for the Packers. I actually kind of think, you know, they say that you should get a backup quarterback

that is stylistically similar to the starter like Tyler Huntley with Lamar or whatever. I actually think the opposite is better because I feel like Malik Willis came in and started running around and the defense was like, holy shit, we were not prepared for this.

Totally. And I'm like, you should actually find somebody who is as stylistically opposed as possible so that you can essentially have two different game plans whenever one's playing. Yeah,

but they have to have Cooper Rush. No, I know, but like just having, going from Jared Goff to Malik Willis or something, like preparing for Jared Goff versus Malik Willis couldn't be more opposite.

And I just kind of like that as like a wrench to throw it. It used to be way more common in the 50s and 60s actually to have two quarterbacks changing about halftime. like it was way more like kind of pitchers and you would just take them out they weren't having

the closer it wasn't they were like running backs yeah yeah yeah yes it was much not every team but teams instead of sticking with like a bad guy would just do they would kind of be like oh hot hand at quarterback that was like a totally thing um and then you switch back and it wasn't weird uh we'll just say in the packers lost this game i know packers fans yeah they're probably mad we didn't mention

jordan love got hurt but i will say i just feel like i'm sorry it's not the packers here like if you just rank the Packers, six most important players, five for six in getting them hurt. I mean, Jordan Love's concussed. That's a Saturday game. I think they play Saturday next week. I don't know if Jordan Love is going to get cleared for next week. I mean, quarterbacks, frankly, the Russian, it's rare to make it the next week in

protocol. But I mean, between Parsons and Jordan Love and all this, I, I, in Super Bowl teams don't generally suffer as many injuries to their most important players in December as Green Bay has. I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, that's just like another reminder of like how much luck is involved in winning the Super Bowl every year. It's all it's just crazy to be still what the Patriots did, what the Chiefs have done. Totally.

Because there's injuries are just such a huge variable every year. It's like you can really just derail your your whole season if like a couple guys get hurt. All right. We have to get to the main event here, which is DK. We haven't. The Thursday night game. Been edgy DK. Okay.

The Thursday night game. Yeah. How many whiskeys did you have after that game? I actually went for a run, Craig. I was like, I was like, I get my nervous energy out, yeah. And it was great. I sat by with street dog or something. No, like I sat there.

You know how, because you know my joke how it's like, familiar feeling following another Seahawks win, misery. And this game was like the only time I could ever remember, be like, well, ever, but like recently it'd be like, wow, I'm elated. That was incredible. That was the most fun game I've ever seen. I forgot it.

I forgot it felt like this. I can't, I couldn't remember what it feels like to be like happy. So you went on a run? Did you like raw dog it? What did you listen to? No, I listened to music.

I've been jogging lately, Craig. That's right. Yeah. Good for you. That's great. What did you throw on? Like meek Mill? What are you listening to?

Uh, I don't know. Like, dancey stuff, like dance floor stuff. Like, I don't know. A good, a good mixture of different era.

What year was the dance floor? High, high, high tempo. energetic stuff. I'm imagining you sprinting like Ethan Hunt just down your street, shirt, tarps off. Just sprinting.

Perfect form. Screaming at the top of your lungs. You have Donald's number painted on your chest. Yeah, so obviously the Seahawks won 38 to 37 in overtime on Thursday night football over the Rams. It was a huge, huge win for the Seahawks because they took over the lead in the division. They are on, now they are on track.

I think they've controlled their own destiny in terms of getting the number one. They do if they went out. You took the league. in the conference. They're literally to their 12 and 3. It was a huge, it was a huge game in terms of like playoff seeding and everything because obviously the Seahawks lost the first game to the to the Rams. But I think even maybe not even more than that, but like in addition to that, just slightly lower on the on the rungs of priority here.

Like it was a redemption game for Sam Darnold. And look, I still don't really like fully trust Sam Darnold. The team does not trust Sam Darnel. If you look at some of the play calling in this game, It was extremely conservative at times. It was like very clearly they were trying not to like ask him to do too much and fuck up because I think he is a little bit. He has been a little bit rattled by this Rams thing. He lost to the Rams last year in the playoffs when he was playing for the Vikings in that disastrous game. He lost to the Rams this year when he threw four picks and then he comes out in this game and throws two more picks. And it's like the only one of them was to a defensive line made at the goal line.

Yeah, God. This just looked like another one was a pick six or almost. Yeah, so it was terrible. Like honestly, halfway through the game, I'm just like, I was a little just distraught that like the Seahawks are this awesome defense, this great defense. And their quarterback is going to ruin everything. And then, of course, the Seahawks complete turn it around. It was like, it was one of those classic Seahawks in primetime weird games that Pete Carroll used to always pull out of his ass. It wasn't just, no, this was probably the best Thursday day football game ever.

Yeah, possibly. I mean, the stakes, I mean, this literally flipped the conference. You could argue the results of this. Seahawks hold and get the number one C, this is probably the most in fact, packful game of the year, just because it's the difference between Seattle having home field or the Rams. It's like the Rams.

Matt Stafford's 36 with the back injury. Devante Adams is 33 with the hamstring. Few teams Super Bowl chances would probably use the buy just for the age factor more than the Rams. Now they're going to go to the road, play an extra game. Matt, and then also, it was like the craziest game. Yeah. Well, at one point the Seahawks had, I think, a 2% win percentage.

It was 30 to 14 with 13 minutes going in the in the fourth quarter. I think Sam Donald had thrown a pick. I could imagine like fans start leaving the, you know, Ernest Jones, the Seahawks linebacker said the Rams were like laughing at them in the middle of this game. He's like, he was like all, you know, pissed off after the game and everything. And then. Donald threw a pick at the goal line.

Yeah, at the goal line. Yeah, at the goal. With eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. Right. So it was looking horrific for the Seahawks. Like not only did they lose to the Rams right. Like this is where it was going at that moment. Not only had they lost the Rams twice, they were not going to win the division.

They're not going to whatever in the conference. They still were going to probably go to playoffs. But Sam Darnold now is completely like fucked. Anytime he plays the Rams, he's just going to be in his head, all that stuff. Like that was what I was thinking in that moment. And then the CX defense finally, and this is like, the whole game, the Rams were absolutely just like moving the football. The Rams were awesome. They had over 500 yards of offense in this game.

And I think they're the only team that's ever had 500 yards of offense and lost. Five hundred yards and no turnovers. No turnovers and lost. And so that's another just one of these like random-ass stats that just tells you how improbable this game was. So anyways, the C-Rex finally get a fucking stop after the Sam Darnald pick. The Rams punt and Rishie Shaheed returns it for a touchdown. And then that like flipped the momentum on the game. All of a sudden it was like, oh, okay, things are going to get interesting now.

They get a two-point conversion, not the two-point conversion. That came later. And they get another stop and then they score again. And then they get that crazy ass two-park conversion. Should we get that over with you? Want to talk about that now? Yeah, let's just do it. It was an insane play.

I, I, do Craig and I even go? Do you want to preemptively address it or what do you want to do? I mean, like, how much of a homer are you about it? I would say, I'm not going to like get in a big fight with you about it, but I am a little bit of Homer in the sense that like, if you could, if you can tell me what rule they got wrong, that would be great. Because they didn't get it wrong.

Rules-wise. People forgot. I don't think, yeah, if you want to explain it, go ahead. It's really simple. Sam Darnold,

I'm just going to do the, what happened. Sam Darnold. It's actually not simple, but it's not the explanation. This is going in the NFL case book for the rule. No, not explain.

No, not explain. What happened is this. Sam Darnold threw a screen to his left on a two-point conversion, and it was batted down. and then the teams are lined up to kick the ball off. Nobody on Seattle's really screaming about it. No one on the Rams are like the teams are lined up for the kickoff.

And then Terry McCauley, the ref guy comes on the broadcast and says, hold on a second. I think this might be good. And then they show a video of Zach Charbonnet with all the players kind of standing around just picking the football up in the end zone. And they're like, I think this counted. But McCauley wasn't the one who like. got the review going.

No, but he's in communication with the league office. Right. They told him they were looking at it. Cahoots, if you will. No, they told him because they're helping out with the fucking broadcast. They told him they were looking at. But my point being is, I can't stress this enough. Terry McCauley didn't do it.

They were lined up for the kick. Sure. Which I don't think that's ever, and this is, I think essential. I don't think that's ever happened before where teams were lined up for the kick and they're like, hold on, guys, we got to review this. No play like that has really ever happened. But like still, I, yeah. Yeah, that's just nuts.

I think here's what I'll say. I understand completely why people were freaking out about this. It was the weirdest fucking play. But in the spirit of getting things right, tell me what rule they got wrong here. Here's my problem with it. What rule did they get wrong? Everybody stopped playing football. No, for like two seconds.

Everybody stopped playing football. Here's the deal. Here's the deal, Craig. This has been a rule in the NFL for a long time. Here's where the hovers. The hovers coming out. That doesn't fucking matter. The rule doesn't matter.

By rule, hyfitz. Okay, okay, okay, okay. What are you doing? I don't want to do, because we're going to argue two separate. This is the rule. DK is going to say if this is the rule. It is the rule. Literally he is correct.

And so we're not arguing. Well, here's how I would like rationally defend it. Here's how I would rationally defend it. When you see a swing pass or like a like a sideways pass in the NFL, this happens all the time. This has been a rule for over 10 years. Even if the, if so like the, say the running back is catching a swing pass on the side. And he drops it. and then he walks off and the defense picks it up

and then later they go, oh, actually that was a backwards pass, that's a fumble, the defense gets the ball. This happens all the time. Yes, that's fair. How is that so different here other than it was deflected and went forward? So to be clear, the call, the whistle does not matter. That I want to come back.

The whistle doesn't matter. I'll give you a couple points. I would like to shout out that Sharbonne. I'm just saying, that is the rule in the end of the whole. I'm being a homer. I know you. It's a fucking rule in the rule pass. Shout out Zach Sharbine.

for picking up the ball that's good football instincts it's like it wasn't like 20 seconds later he ran over and got it that's what they're trained to do that's because running backs always catch those swing passes and almost feel like he picked the ball up

because he was like bored not that he knew he was doing he he picked it up like to be nice to the referees good for him good for him so it's a stupid rule because when the whistle blows you are obviously trained to stop playing that's the whole fucking basis of the sport

is when you hear the whistle you have to stop Swing passes, Craig, this is why they teach the, they teach the defenders and they teach the running backs on swing passes to pick up the ball. Here's, in order, here are my issues. We're arguing different things. We're not disagree. Yeah, I don't actually say that it is the rule. No, there's a point of the issues I have. It's dumb as fuck.

They blew the whistle and guys stop running. That's not the point to me. The whistle doesn't matter. You keep saying that, but that's, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You have my issue with that argument for you. Okay. If it happened in reverse, you would be, you would lose your fucking mind.

Of course. Of course. I've already admitted I'm being a homer. It goes without saying. I've heard of it. This is a homer argument. Yeah. Here's my other issue.

But tell me what rule they got wrong. I'll tell you what. Tell me what rule they got wrong. I'm going to tell you right now. It's clear and obvious. No, that's not the rule. It is. It's not, no.

No, that's not the rule. Terry McCauley watched it nine times and said I think it's going backward. And then every, every. No, this isn't the argument you started with. Oh, so now you're saying you don't think it was a backwards pass? I think you're moving the goalposts already. I think a movie. So now you think.

So now you think they didn't get the backwards. Craig, does that what you thought? No, I'm saying reverse. That's exactly zero people thought that. I'll tell you exactly what happened. I will tell you exactly what happened.

I will, no, you're right. I was there on Twitter. That's what people were freaking out about. Here's what. This is what happened. And I will shout out Jordan Rodriguez at NFL Daily, who pointed this out the night of Thursday night.

This is what happened. There was a play last week in week 15, where the Broncos, where the referees blew the whistle to early, the scoring play. And if you'll remember, our friend the high school referee emailed in a couple weeks ago and said the number one thing he notices, and this is so true, about NFL referee is the biggest mistakes in the NFL happen because referees are judged on their mistakes. And then they are shown tape and of previous week's mistakes and they are given points of emphasis and they're graded

and they get to go to the playoffs and are paid based on whether they have. They have a rubric and a scoring system. So what happens is there's like four or five plays a week that the NFL is like, hey, hey, you gotta do this this week, which is why there's weird. So one of them was you can't let, like, don't kill scoring plays too early. So the league office focused on this like all week.

Then this play happens and I don't think the referees on the field did anything wrong. I think the league office made it a point of emphasis to all the referees about this, And they totally overthought it. And they reviewed it and they reversed it. And here's why. And it's this simple.

I don't think anyone in the stadium fans. I don't think any of the Seawks fans watching. And I don't think any of the players in Seattle thought the past was backward in the moment. And so if you're going to go ahead and apply replay, nobody, it didn't occur to anybody that the pass was backward. Here's the deal, though. It was. Look, saying that the people in the stadium couldn't see it. No, not backwards.

It was a backwards pass. Nobody. They didn't get the rule wrong. It's my main homeer point, all right? I understand it was a crazy ass play. I understand that. You had to watch it 10 times. If I was a Rams fan, I'd be furious.

I understand that. I'm admitting that. However, they didn't get it wrong. It's, it's fun. You had to watch it 10 times. It was backwards. No, it was the spirit of the rule. It wasn't like that.

It wasn't like that. They showed it 10 times on the fucking replay. That doesn't mean it took the refs that long to figure it out. Look, look. Also, I would say that that specific part of it, like is the pass backwards or not? It happens a lot. And there are a lot of screen passes that are right down the line and you have to kind of look at where the ball is released and then look at the direction it's going in. And then sometimes you have to determine after the fact was it forward or backwards because in the moment it's obviously very hard to tell.

That is never an issue for me. Look, I lived on the field was like it's not a count though. That was they reversed it. It was reversal. The standard should be high. I got my baptism in the fucking fail marry. All right. This is so hard.

They got this right. Same end zone. That's very hard to call in the moment. Like how the fuck are you supposed to know if it's going an inch forward or an inch backwards when it's being thrown? I just, it's two things. It's the most common sense that shouldn't be a thing. And it's like, again, my rule, like the rule is you reverse it.

It has to be clear and obvious to overturn it. My rule of thumb, and I think that they should be, they should be the rule. If the referees have to sit there and watch the same angle five times, it's not clear and it's not obvious. That's very clear. I don't know. There's lasers. I don't, I've not seen anyone besides you. argue that it was a forward pass.

I am way more upset. I haven't seen anyone arguing that it was actually not a backwards pass. You know what? If you're a Rams fan, email us, ringer fantasy football at gmail.com, because I'm curious, I would be way more upset at the fact that this ball trickled into the end zone. They blew the play. Yeah, they blew the whistle in the play. And that's the other thing.

And that is where I can test the rule. I actually I think, to be honest, I think the interpretation of the whistle rule doesn't matter. I think that's a stretch because they fucked it up. I think it's a stretch because the rule that doesn't matter is the idea that, well, if there's like,

in the case of a clear recovery, it was a clear recovery because everyone else stopped playing. Yeah, but High Fitz, this happens all the time with these swing passes. It doesn't happen. It's where the running back,

he drops what he thinks is a pass, and then he walks away, and then the defense picks it up after the whistles of books. Yes, you're right. That happens all the time. It does. The only thing that's different about this

is it bounced forward. Yes, but that matters. It's just bad luck for the Rams. I mean, It truly is horrific, horrific luck for the race. Here's one I'm not angry about it. And there's two reasons. The Rams special teams, like, they missed a 48 airfield goal to win the game.

Right. And then they allowed a punt return. And it's. And then they fired their special teams. Yeah. Chase Blackburn shot New York Junete legend intercepted Aaron Rogers during his MVP season and then also over Grunk would win a Super Bowl. Shout out Chase Blackboard.

Look, I want to say it for the record again. Obviously, I am aware that I'm taking the Homer stance on this. But I will say they got the rule correct. I thought that was correct. I think here's here's the deal. Here's the bigger thing to me. 16 year old you would punch you in the face. Oh, okay.

Here's the biggest thing I think that comes out of this. We've seen a picture of 16 year old DK. He was badass. Here's the biggest takeaway I come from that comes from this whole thing is no one fucking knows the rules in the NFL. Not Sean McVeigh and Matt Stafford after the game. We're like, I don't know what the rule is. I need somebody to explain to me what the rule is.

I think it's a weird rule. It's like no one knows the fucking rules. Belichick would never. He would know this fucking rule. You know what? No one knows the fucking rules to this league. You know when a player like a running back is like in the pile trying to get tackled and they call forward progress and then people keep ripping the ball out and they

pull the ball out and it's like a fumble and guys are so kind of going after it because even though the whistle been blown, it wasn't like that. Like the player stopped and that's my biggest problem. They blew the whistle. But I picked it up. I know, but that's preposterous. Okay. I don't get why, but okay.

You do get why because if it happened to a nether. I guess it's not. Not that it happened against you. I don't think it was that. You're talking like two seconds, like a literal two seconds. If it happened, yeah, two seconds is a long time. You have to separate two.

The NFL. You have to separate two things. One, the rule as it is written was was properly applied and the correct thing happened based on the letter of the law. However, that's, okay, I agree with that. And I see where you're going.

I agree with you. But you also have to admit it was crazy. It's incredibly stupid and the rule makes no fucking sense. Yeah. It's never, this is like literally the first time this is never fucking. you haven't. The other thing that makes it way more complicated, too, is it was in a two-point conversion. When you watch, if you have to describe, okay, if you were to describe this. It's like a down-lid,

it's like a non-timed play where yards don't matter. Sorry. If this happened to you, you'd call it a desecration of football and an affront to the concept. You don't know me. You don't know me, man. Maybe I wouldn't. If you had to describe this to a person who had never watched football before. Yeah. How the fuck would you be able to describe what, you're like, I don't think I would bother. I'd be like, You don't care. 99.9% of the time when the whistle blows, everybody has to stop. And if you hit somebody after the whistle blows, it's a penalty. Except this one weird time, if the whistle blows, everybody stops.

But if you're smart enough, you can pick up the ball and it's a touchdown. Now we're arguing over if the rule is stupid, which is fine. Yes, that's fine. Okay, that's fine. The Des Bryant catch? Should be changed. That's fine. I don't care.

Go ahead and change it. We're on the same page. All I'm saying is tell me what rule they got wrong. The Des Bryant rule where he didn't catch it in the playoffs. was correctly and properly applied and it was so outrageous they had to change the rule because it was fucking crazy. Go ahead and change the rule. I don't fucking care. All right, great. All right, let's move on.

Can we talk, hold on. We got to talk about this game on a positive, though, because that was a fun of the Rams, because Puka and Matthew Stafford. So I'm in the Ring of Fantasy League, Dek and I got first roundbyes. We got fucking rocked. Chris Ryan who drafted, didn't draft his team, didn't make any moves, beat Deked. Hyman's got shelled by Puka.

I, dude, I, you know what, man, I was really, this is one of the better teams I had heard said McCaffrey and Jonathan and Taylor. Kyle Pitts for the stretch run. I know, no one gives a shit. I actually go through all 17 picks. Yeah, it's a good point.

One of them was a pizza case I came in the last place. Mallory Rubin had Matthew Stafford and Pukukua in this game. And so she was literally up 80 to nothing entering the weekend, which is so. You lost the game before you got off the bus. It's just didn't show up. It's unbelievable to show up. And you know what's funny? It's exactly the spread I need from McCaffrey and Taylor.

That was 80. Like literally just 80 nothing to do the weekend. And it was, it's, it's so weird to just lose before you show up. And I think that's how a lot of people felt with either Pooker or Stafford in the lineup. And you're like, oh, well, this is over. And then Devante misses this game. And then without Devante Adams against the Seahawks who are against everyone else, like the best defense in the NFL, basically. And they get 500 yards and, again, look unstoppable through three and a half quarter.

52 minutes. The Rams could not. be stopped even though they didn't have Devante. In a weird way, I feel like this is the best moment to grab the Rams odds for the Super Bowl, even though they're in fifth seed just because they're the best team. And this was the flukiest loss. This is not since the Cardinals Titans game, has there been a flukier loss this year. Well, no, because the game was being played both before and after the whistle. So how are they supposed to know? Exactly. Yeah, it's after that. It's rattling. You know, no, no team before had ever had, what was it, three two point conversions in

fourth quarter and overtime and won a game. So that was the first thing. We didn't get to the rest of the game real quick. They got two other two point conversions too, which is very unlikely. They got the first two point and then they got the, they got the one in overtime too. Yeah, the Zach would pass. Then an underrated part of the story is that the Rams go three and out again. So Donald's like, hey, Donald, this is your shot, man.

And so because that two point conversion made it 30. Also, it was such a huge deal where you're yelling about it because it was 30, 28 versus 30. That was the outcome of that two point conversion. So then Rams go three and out and Donald's like, all right, this is your chance, man. And they go three and out. And then the Rams come down and they get like a 48-yard field goal. They miss it. Like, all right, Donald, this is your chance, man.

And the Seahawks go like four and out. And then the Rams come down. And then Donald gets another chance to regulation. This is your chance, man. Doesn't do it. He went 0 for three after that to take the game winning. Then they went to overtime and then he got it done. Yeah.

And he made some incredible throw. Like his throw down the sideline to Cooper Cup, who made an incredible toe tap catch was best throw the game. One of the most incredible play. And he got lit up right after he threw that too. So it was in the face of pressure. But yeah, I mean, that was what I said at the very beginning of this, like 10 minutes ago when we started talking about this game,

is the Seahawks clearly still don't trust Darnold. They were like asking him to throw like screen passes and stuff in the fourth quarter trying to come back. It's funny. For how important this game was for Seattle, I think my opinion of everybody didn't change after this game. Like, I still think the Rams are the best team. I still don't trust Darnold.

It just puts the Seahawks in a much better position. Totally. I think it's honestly, I think it's a, way worse for the Rams because to me like the Rams like securing that one seat and getting to stay in L.A. and stay in Sofi for all these games now if they're the wild card

sure their first game they're going to have to go to Carolina and they can beat Carolina but they're not going to lose twice to Carolina but I'm like dude the Rams having to go to Chicago now versus the other way around and Stafford it's just so brutal for them and I think Seattle is way more built

to like withstand that versus the Rams who I so It's just really bad luck for them because I still think they're the best team in the NFL right now, but them having to basically win an NFC championship game in Green Bay or Chicago or something like that. I guess it wouldn't be Green Bay. It would be Chicago is brutal.

Even if they win that game, Stafford at his age, all these guys getting tackled into the frozen ground and they're going to play like it matters. The last thing I'll say, we don't have to linger, but the Puka Nakua is all this controversy this week with the streamer and a gesture.

And all I could think while he's, you know, Sean McVeigh's being asked, he's being asked about, did Pook understand, like, you know, they put on a statement, Did Pook understand the nature of the gestures he made? And all I could think is, I'm like, this guy's a pro athlete.

He doesn't eat vegetables. I'm like, no, I'm like, what are we talking about? I think it's harder to find pro athletes who are under 25 who do eat vegetables, to be honest. Yeah, I'm like, this guy, literally, he's a pro athlete who won a rookie of the year. And he would literally just for breakfast and dinner, Google map his way to the route because of the facility, because they didn't get there and just eat whatever fast food, he happened. to pass on the way. I'm like, I don't think it's like the monkey simple thing. Isn't like chat out Chosinko had McDonald's every day? D.K. Maccalfe eats candy all day.

He's just eating skittles and stuff. It's like, you know, I, I don't know. I wasn't shocked. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, I don't know. Anyway, we can move on. Um, other guys that blew out a game. This is more, yeah, pretty great game. I was, it was unbelievable case law. This is this new case law for the NFL. They'll eliminate this rule. I just want to, get him be like, I like refs. I like referees. I like thin pancakes. Okay, the other guy, this is also an Oppenheimer, but it's more of a fucking thanks for nothing is Ashton Genty, who I don't know how many people were in the playoffs with this performance today.

So fucking annoying. I have Ashton Gentile battling for last place. 31 points, the number one running back on the day looked awesome. DK, you and we texted about this briefly, but you're so right that, like, Like every time Gentie has like five feet of space. Even a sliver of space. He just never does. He caught a 60 yard touchdown today.

He's been like a fantastic wide receiver this year. He had another like 40 yard touchdown run. He looks really good when you just allow him to do anything, but he's on the Raiders. And so it never works. Just let him take one fucking step without getting hit. That's all he needs. He helped no one, but you know. Craig, question.

Do you get, are you angrier with Ashton Genty now that he can go against the Texans who have the other best defense in the NFL and be the number one running back in league. Does he make you even angrier that you were limited from the playoffs? Like, I feel like I, it's actually worse when a player blows up right as after they ruined your season. I'd rather not have happened at all. I would agree with that. Yes, I'm more angry now at Ashton Jenty. I like him less now. You know who I like more though? Who? My Pittsburgh Steelers running backs. Dude. Yeah, man. The double Oppenheimer. What's the hell? Every team thinks will happen when they have their two running backs. Hi,

Fitz, if I read you the stat line, if I read you the running back stat lines and the Steelers game beforehand, if I had a crystal ball and I was like, somebody's going to be 14 for 143 with two touchdowns. The other one's going to have five catches for 78 yards to touchdown. How much money would you put on the fact that that's David Montgomery and Jemir Gibbs? 10 to 1, 20 to 1? What odds would you take? Halfway through this game, I was like, when did Kenneth Gainwell become the best player in the NFL? It's actually shocking the Eagles let him go. Yeah, he was so, he was incredible. He's like, he's basically, Basically having a slot, I think I heard maybe it was Aikman said this a couple of weeks ago where he's like he's running legitimate slot receiver routes.

And there was times where they had both him and Jalen Warren on the field and they're doing all these creative ways of getting him releasing from the backfield or whatever, lining him up in the slot. He's just such a good player. He had an incredible, incredible catch where he's laying on the ground and he caught the ball and then got up and ran it in for the end zone. He had another really good catch later in the game where he basically had to like fully extend almost off the ground and pick it up. And then in the same game, Jalen Warren rips off like two 45-yard touchdowns. I'm like, these running backs, they don't look alike a lot. They're not very big, but they're just really, really good, both Jalen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell.

Kenneth Gainwell, they honestly both just seem like professional football players. Aaron Rogers trust them. Rogers talks up Gainville all the time. He loves Kenneth Gainwell. And it just seems like he's a guy that everybody wants on their team. Dude, he's been one of the best players in fantasy for the last like six weeks. He has. It's like a Jerich McKinnon, Danny Woodhead.

like Darren Sprouls I mean, he's bigger than Darren Sprouls, but I mean, it is like one of those insane runs. Yeah. Yeah. End of the season. But I, he's going to be one of the funniest players to rank next year because, yeah, he's like a freaking scatback

that is Aaron Rogers' favorite receiver of the team. Yeah. I know. There's a lot of weird running back performances today. I mean, like Chase Brown had three touchdowns in the third quarter. Another crystal ball. If I told you, Bengals score 45, Chase is going to have three touchdowns. You'd be like, oh my God.

Hell yeah. No, no, no, it's Chase Brown. What? Three in one quarter. Yeah, but me, Bijan, James Cook went off. Big running back day. Yeah. I think it's been a big running back season.

They swung this. They swung the playoffs today for sure. I mean, if you're Derek Jennery. We don't know. We can talk about this more. We'll do fantasy rewatchables and lessons. But if you look at just like the receivers today, Pook had four or this week,

Pook at 40, Elav had 30. Parker Washington had pick into like 23. No one else had over 20. Like it's, it's, it's, meanwhile, if you look at running back, I mean, it's just like,

And it's sometimes it's random, but I just think running backs, we can go into it. But it's nail. There were like three or four receivers that could have floated you this year. But there were a lot of running backs that have delivered. So it's been an interesting year. Running's back. Okay. I think we need to get it's the holiday season. And, you know, there's Christmas, there's Hanukkah, there's Kwanza, this boxing day. But I think we need to get to the most important holiday them all, which is festivus for the rest of us. And earlier we had the feats of strength with Danny Kelly

trying to body us over the reps over the referees in the Seahawks. Just defending my Seahawks. You're defending the referees. Yeah, God. What have I figured to come? Who am I now?

What has happened to me? I've abandoned all my principles. For what? I abandon my son. We have to do some air and grievances for some players that just screwed us in the playoffs.

Yeah. For fantasy. D.K. please well I want to get started with just the quarterbacks because if the if the running backs won you your semi final matchup this week or maybe final if you're in a different type of league the the quarterbacks were the ones that fucked you and look this is said with love towards these players but Josh Allen had his worst game what was it his worst game all season I think he had like since his rookie year we got an email worst game of his career since his rookie season can I read you an email from

al yes Al how Al since an incredible email about Josh Allen so Josh Allen, send us emails on Sundays. It was great to get emails today. Also, join our Discord. The Discord is really fun. The invite link is in the episode description. Join the Discord. It's phenomenal.

But emails, it's great to get emails on Sundays too. So Al wrote, Josh Allen's bust is even more atrocious because if you just look at the other games where he scored under seven or six point nine points, he's only done it six times. And the context is unbelievable. He did it last year in Week 18 when he literally just took the first nap to preserve his start streak. Oh, yeah.

Jesus. He did it in the DeMar Hamlin game where they played. made nine minutes and then the game ended. And then he did it in the 2019, also to preserve his start streak in the last week of the season and then took one snap and left the game. And then his rookie year, he got hurt against Houston with an elbow injury. And then it was literally just week four where he got lit up by the Packers and his third start ever. And then week one of his first rookie season when Nathan Peterman put the bills down 40 to nothing against Baltimore and Josh entered the game in the fourth quarter. Those are the only other times in his whole career he has done less that he did today.

Man. Anyway, tough timing for all you people out there that had Josh Allen, including me in one league. So just to run down the list of quarterbacks that really like just shit the bed this week or got hurt, which obviously we're not mad at you for that, but that sucks for our teams. Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Jackson, we'll get back to you. Lamar Jackson, Christ. And then by the way, and I. And I said this before. I was texting with Carlos about this.

Like, dude, I'm in, you know, semi-finals. Like, these are some really good teams on like 11 and 12 win teams. And my starting lineups look like dog shit because I was like down. And these are Superflex leagues. I'm down to like Marcus Marriota and Garter Minchew as my quarterback. So I'm like, how is this team in the semifinals? And then both of those guys got hurt like almost immediately. Gardner Minshu.

I mean, the fact that the home stores ACL and Gardner Minchew comes in and we already were like, this is depressing and Garder Minchew tears his ACL. And then they have Chris a lot of, dude, the cheat. Craig hasn't seen Harry Potter. Spoiler, but D.K., you know they had a Harry Potter where Voldemort, like, just looks, like, just so decrepit. It's, like, pathetic. Yeah. He's like, ah, help me.

I'm dying. And Harry's like, Espeliamis. And then he got. He's been splenched. He's been splenched. He's been splenched. He's like, you're a wizard, Harry. Harry.

You're a wizard Harry. It was pretty good. Craig, how would you judge that impression? Of who? He doesn't know. He couldn't tell you. What's going on here?

But yeah, you're a wizardary. You kids with your fancy wizards and magic. I watch football. And you watch quidditch. I mean, I know about quidditch. Quiddish is like hurling, bro.

You would love it. What were we talking about? I was saying the chiefs look like Voldemort at the end. Watching like, watching Travis Kelsey's career in, with Chris Alatakan trying to, like, beat the Titans, and the Titans beat the Chiefs 26 to 9. Would we mention they got the doors blown off by the team that was tracking to be the number

one overall pick? One of the faster falloffs, I don't know if a Super Bowl, I don't know if an era of a team has ever ended quite so precipitously is like this game, it's about as low as it gets your third street quarter. Yeah, getting the doors beat off by a team that has two wins. It tells you that, like, you know how they say you can't tank in the NFL? like players can just give up. They fucking gave up.

They're like already on vacation. Like they just stop playing. Travis Kelsey should opt out. It was like a proble. Like Travis Kelsey should not play the next year. He should just like opt out the rest of this season and then play one game with Mahomes next year and then retire. Or is it, can I give you a hot say? Is Mahomes actually the MVP?

Yeah, dude. Are she's the worst team in the NFL without Patrick Mahomes? You watch this game. You know, like, got eliminated last week. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty sad. And then Kelsey gets one point and you'd be forgiven if you played Kelsey. And you're like, well, Rishi Rice is out with a concussion and, you know, they got to pass it to somebody.

Yeah, exactly. This third string guy, Chris Ola Dukin or whatever. I mean, to continue the airing of grievances, there were a lot of guys, a lot of good players where if you lost, it's not your fault. You had them all year. They were great. You were smart to pick them. And it just didn't work out. Travis Kelsey,

1.1 points today, not your fault. Like we said, Josh Allen, 6.9 points, not your fault. Trey McBride, who has been quietly one of the best players in fantasy all year today, four points. Not your fault. Literally the first time McBride had not had five catches in a game in like 15 games.

Another tough one, Drake London, came back maybe a little early off this knee injury, playing Arizona. You're like, Drake London, four points. Not your first. fault. You have to play them. Yeah. You had to. Can I throw on the list Christian Watson?

Sure. Where if you, Christian Watson ended up with having two and a half points. Christian Watson had no catches in the first 25 minutes. Christian Watson was so close to having like 17 fantasy points in the first quarter. He almost had like a touchdown or two. And instead he just had 17 yards. God. Uh, fantasy. I mean, the worst of the mall we mentioned him. DK, this is probably extra hard for you because you're in so many leagues.

You probably have every single one of these players we've mentioned in a playoff matchup. I do. In fact, do. Jackson Dart today had zero points. To be specific, it was 0.02. Let's go into this for a second. Well, actually, I think, well, before we do this, I actually think we, it's a special version of, I think we have to do America's, America's favorite segment. Oh.

Hmm. Ronald, Boo. Daniel Kelly. Danny Kelly. Daniel. Stop asking me. We need to get him to Farton or shard

Gart, garr, garr, garr, garr. What? Okay, this guy's been fart all goddamn season. It's a funky, funky beat. They were, dude, that was the Tom Tom, Tom club beat. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. That was too much. That was, that, that was an abomination. That was genius. We're getting a little liberal with the legs here, folks, all right? Tighten these down. Craig's like, this isn't modern movies. Get them back down to 90 minutes.

Yeah, what is this? Knives out? No, we need this to be sub 20. That was insane. The farts per second there were off to turn. That was a lot. I'm curious where to get the, you know, the hell they always do the Ford or short, like the monster truck voice. Do they do that or they'd get enough like AI or something?

I think that's my, I did that once. I think they're distorting it. Is that you? Yeah, that's me, baby. Hell yeah. So I want to be clear because that, that, that, that one was sent in by, uh, sorry, I'm pulling that, Brandon. And he, that was a clankerless fart or shart insurance.

Clanker, he's involved. Clanker free. Wow. Clanker free. The new organic food. I only eat organic. Clankerless. Yeah.

Put that on the label. But yeah, that was Tom Tom to Farts, which I got to tell you, I, I might be done with this bit guys. No, stop. What? We're just getting started. I speak. for a certain, not that bit, but we can't, it can't be that.

That's too much farting. Um, I say people really, really liked the yacht rock version of the fart one. So let's get creative out there. And this was creative. They applied farts to the Tom Tom club beats. I don't want to shame people for that reason. It was very creative. And just know this, you're going to be on Netflix soon.

So fucking get ready. All right. I want, yeah, yeah. I just, I want less farts. But yeah, the more yacht rock. Okay. This is important. So.

Danny Kelly the Giants lost to the Vikings and Max Brosmer today they got brood they got brood the Giants lost three o linemen

you know but don't care can't lose to Brosma Jackson Dart looks a lot worse since Brian Dable left and was fired so my question to you DK was Jacks today Jackson Dart with his

002 fantasy points and as the long-term franchise quarterback for the New York Giants, do you think this lost today for Jackson Dart and the Giants? Do you think this was a Jackson Dart fart? Or was this a Jackson Dart? A darter shart. A darter shard or fart.

Look, we just got done preaching patience with young quarterbacks. Caleb Williams was an absolute fucking disaster last year. Dart has flashed a lot more than Williams did when he was a rookie. I would probably say. So I'm not going to say it was a shark. I'm gonna say it was a, it was a dart. But I mean, the vibes are as low as they possibly can get with this offense right now. That was a horrific showing.

I think we've seen enough highs from Dart that it almost doesn't matter what he does the rest of the season. Yeah. I mean, also he's like playing with nobody right now. So that makes me feel better. Because I got to tell you watching him just be outplayed by Max Brousmer was one of the humbling moments of my entire year. I will say he has not looked good since he got back. He has not looked good since Brian Dable was fired. Like, let's be honest.

The Giants play the Raiders next week, and the winner's probably just going to, the loser's probably just going to get the number one pick, which is crazy. The Dart thing I have to just mention, so the Ringer Fantasy League, I had the first place in the regular season standings, and I kind of knew I was going to get a buy.

But I had Sam Darnold as my other quarterback in Superflex, and I knew they were playing the Rams in Week 16. And I was like, you know, I watched Darnal losing the Vikings in the playoffs. I watched Donald throw four picks against his team like a month ago, and I'm like, I don't want to go to the semis. and then Sam Dahl will get like five points and I lose because of that.

So I was like, let me make a trade. And I traded Craig, Jameson Williams. I killed Hyvitz, really. Yeah, so I could get Jackson Dart. And what's funny about this. Oh, yeah, I remember thinking at the time that was not a good trade for Craig. So.

Oh, really? Yeah. I had Purdy and Lamar. So. No, but I thought you could have gotten more. Anyway, continue. Well, I. Well, the irony is that if I didn't do that trade,

he might win this week. yes it's true a hundred thank you for doing it but what's funny about it is that I was right because 50 53 minutes into the ram steucks game darnell had four and a half points

and then guess what darnell finished with 20 jackson dart had point oh two which fun fact literally sam darnell was one thousand times better than jackson dart this week in fantasy oh tough was a savvy move by me he had 30

33 yards passing. Dude, the first in a whole game. They ran 15 times. You know what the worst stat is? They were running the ball. You know what's crazy? The Giants first, I think, 18, 17 of the first 19 plays. The Giants ran in Minnesota territory.

And they got three points in the first half. Change my last name to Presti. Whatever. Yeah. 7 of 13 for 33 yards in a pick. Two rushes for seven yards. What was he doing the whole game? That's like a Taysam Hill line.

I never know. what he's doing. What is he doing back there? Tason Hill had a way better game today. Anyway, Tason Hill, you want to know who scored more fantasy points? Max Brosmer. He played half the game. I'm itching to talk about the Steelers. It's been 75 minutes. You guys are, I don't know what, you're not letting me talk about the Steelers. All right, yeah, no, we'll get to that in a second. But first, the Ringer Fantasy Football Show is brought to by Fandle tis the season to be boosting on Fandil because this year you're getting seven straight days of holiday rewards, each one waiting in the app for you to unwrap every day brings you a new way to play. So keep checking in to see what

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Get off your leash here. I'd like to take a moment here to address Mike Tomlin directly. I just want to say in the spirit of the holidays, I'm sorry. I'm stupid. You're smart. I was wrong. You were right. You're the best. I'm the worst. You're very good looking. I'm not very attractive. As long as you can admit that.

Boys, are we... We've never been more back. God damn it. I feel like this is the biggest freaking roller coaster ride I've ever been on. Mike Tomlin, 19 years running with the winning record. Steelers are 9 and 6, which I'm sure means that they will lose their next two games and finish 9 and 8. However, it's great to welcome Mike Tomlin.

I don't know what I was thinking. I can't, I just, that was all wrong, and it felt wrong in the moment, and I'm happy to be in the comfort, in the warm blanket of Mike Tomlin once again. The, can we, so can we argue about another controversial end of game play? Because I'm ready to defend the refs hard on this one. Hell yes. What do we got? What are we got?

I think the refs line, this, I'm sorry, I could refs lions just subconsciously. The Steelers lines ending. It was the right call. It was straight up. It was the right call. Can you explain if you didn't see it or you can't quickly remember? All right. The lions are down five.

They have the ball on basically the 10-yard line and there's like six seconds left. It's the last play of the game. They need to score a touchdown. Gough throws the ball to Amonra St. Brown who catches it on the one. Amonra never crosses the goal line with the ball. He starts to get tackled. and as he's getting tackled, he then laterals the ball to Jared Gough,

who's kind of near him for some reason. Gough catches the ball, hurdles into the end zone, touchdown. With no time of the clock. No time of the clock. It would have been the craziest play the season. Craz flag. Then the refs.

I was really hoping that they would call this a touchdown so people would stop talking about the Seahawks, but go ahead. The refs deliberated for, I think, like five real-time minutes. It was the longest deliberated. without a review I've ever seen my life. Guys have been put in air cast carded off faster than the refs.

Like, Damar Hamlin was, was, that took just as long as this. They weren't, they weren't up in the little camera booth, like looking at the play, trying to figure it out. They were just talking to each other for like legitimately five minutes. Yes.

And they came back because there was a flag immediately. They didn't like throw it afterward. The flag was an offensive pass interference on a Monarch St. Brown. And so because of that, that that the play ran out the clock you can't end the game or you can't

if it was an offense Yeah if an offense commits a penalty With no time left the game ends And so because with an offensive PI Even though they scored a touchdown There's no time left The game's over the Steelers won Which is a great call

Because when you watched it A Monro pushes I think it's Jalen Ramsey It pushes him completely off of him Like it was an egregious pushoff For him to get open to catch the ball So they got it right the best part is

the ref goes the call on the field is a touchdown and the crowd loses their fucking minds he goes but it was offensive faster

affairs the game is over he says however but I'm the literal doctor it's a touchdown all right oh see I think he anticipated no he said it

pretty quickly he's blew right through it he went the call in the field is a touchdown however so he knew no I know you're right

you're right it's funny or my way though Yeah. It's funnier my way. I like it better my way. I think that this game, that call was the most blue balls ending you could possibly have for a football game where the referees are like, okay, so yes, that was a game winning touchdown scoring lateral to the quarterback. However, there was a flag and then their game's over. There were some people, Craig, I will say that they lose.

They were saying that it wasn't that egregious of an OPI. I agree with that. No. I think the standard of. Many people are saying. The standard of flags, there is a very high bar for flags to come out on contact. I know the end zone.

It's looser on the final play. It just is. This was not a Hail Mary. This was like a route that he put. It is why he was open is because he threw the guy off of him. Well, it's Jalen Ramsey. But also I just. I think it was,

wasn't it kind of like a ball don't lie situation too, though? Because he was like very clearly stopped in his tracks. for like they score he laterled it no i know but like his forward progress will stop for like a full two seconds yes that was i was also like you know i ran the tape back 10 times praying i heard a whistle which i don't think did i don't think they don't think they know because it was the last play in the game they actually called it a touchdown yeah and again there was a point of emphasis this week to let plays run which is why those rest were in troubles because they fucking whistled the play dead on the two point conversion not that that's there i this was just crazy watching this live was

i thought i thought for sure the lines were going to win i couldn't believe they didn't win oh me too Yeah. Football is so funny where they literally need a team of fucking lawyers to huddle after every goddamn player. They're like, what do we say? The rule book is like 100 pages. This is it in the case book. Bylaws. It would have been like one of those really crazy ways for the Steelers to lose because

Boswell just shank that kick. Like how often will that happen? Another I hate fantasy so much is like a 34 yard kick. Stashing Chris Boswell because I was like the Steelers Lions game, Boswell's going to have a bunch of field goals. and it's in a dome and I'm not going to have to wear my kid getting a kicker in the middle of December and then he fucking doings a kick and I'm like I hate fantasy

I never do you think the hold was kind of bad real real question and I know that there's like dudes all around them and like trying to like you know lobby for whatever whatever they think happened do you think the refs the reason it took so long is because they were like how are we going to get out of this guy are we really doing this okay hold on hold they're like looking for the exits what do we say what do we say here how are we getting out of here?

So I'm going to go with, the call on the field was a touchdown, however. And you've got to go right into however. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. Because we've got to say it's a touch. While I'm talking, you guys go. It's like, when you're crafting a text to a girl and they're like, does that say, no, no, that's too, that to beat you. Right, right.

I have to say it's a touchdown, right? Like, I can't not say that, right? No, okay, all right. He's like, can we get, can we get by? Did anybody blow their whistle? Hold on. Come over here. Did you blow your whistle?

You know what else is great? You know what's controversial because there's like five or six reps, right? when three of them are talking and the other two feel the need to push the other players way like it's like crowd control the get back guys like they formed a way yeah the get back they formed a wall like like the refs are celebs like all the other players because they don't want to hear what the rest are talking about that's when you know they're going to be pissed that was that was that was a that was a while that was a steelers were the better team in this game though and i would argue they deserve to win the game i thought for sure the lions were going to win though oh my god it was like it felt like just inevitable almost that would have been their third straight touchdown drive they had three two two straight they were the fourth quarter and they were moving the ball at one almost had that game winner i would argue they had four touchdowns and three drives because they scored a touchdown two plays earlier that was called back that amon run knew immediately because of the pick play i have to say though i'm so mad every time a receiver like they like touchdown cool offensive pass interference usually know exactly what happened because it's like anytime it's opia in the end zone it's because they pick play and it's like a receiver

ran a crossing route and just and it always infuriates me because it's stop trying to block like this happens every week a receiver like tries to like hit the defender to throw a pick and I'm like they were saying like you're getting the ball why they were trying to say it was within a yard which I don't know if it was or not by the way they they do the pool report for the at the end where they interview one of the referees I can't remember exactly how it works but they like explain some of these big calls and somebody in the line's reporter asked about that and he was like can you explain to me like why that was called a pick play the lion thought that it was within one yard which would have made it legal if he did he did

impede the, you know, the defender or whatever. And the ref goes, well, they called it a pick play. So therefore it must have been more than a yard down the field. That's Socratic reasoning right there. So it's like, ruin this for everybody because the NBA actually. We decided to review our, our pay and we decided it was right. Well, it's that way because that's the way it is. Okay.

Thanks for that. Glad we have you here. Thanks for answering our questions. It's like going to Terry, like the family guy, like the weather. It's cold. Thanks. It's going to rain. Craig, what was your favorite broadcast referee moment today where they were just like,

yeah, this was the clearly the incorrect call. Dude, Sunday night, Sunday night football, Pat's Ravens, Kishon Booty was assaulted for like 10 straight seconds, basically in slow motion as he's trying to catch this pass, which I think he almost knocked himself out, falling to the ground. The most clear P.I. I saw all day. They don't call. They don't even think about calling it.

Collins are this losing his fucking mind. And then they bring in McCauley and McCauley's like, oh yeah, that's a clear PI. He goes, how would you defend this call? He goes, I wouldn't. I couldn't. Clear is day. That's a PI. I'm like, what?

Are we? I don't understand. Don't get how. Craig's whole corner now in this podcast is just the fucking referee announcer guys that, come on. That's like your whole corner. I fucking. But when they say that the Steelers game is right, then you're just throwing it's like the weirdest wrinkle that they've added to the

broadcast you're like what am i supposed to do with this is these refs coming in these experts who just are constantly telling us that the refs on the field are incorrect but you forget what it was like to just find out that it was a bad call like days later you're like what the fuck that's way better than you're doing it's bliss bringing it up in the moment you're just like well what is all of this if it's wrong all the time in the reps can't even agree what are we doing now you're asking questions you want to know. It's like the Wizard of Oz. I don't want to know. Craig, don't ask these questions. Stop looking by the, stop showing me behind the curtain. How is it better for the NFL of McCauley's like, yeah, they blew that one. I don't understand. It's definitely not.

It's definitely not. Anyway, if the Steelers beat the Browns next week, they're locked in the playoffs. I was going to say, I mean, this is, talk about so over. I think week 18 is so over. Do you realize nothing happening? I could have this wrong, and I apologize if I have this wrong, but I'm pretty sure if the Bears win next week, I'm sorry, if the Packers win next week, then the NFC playoff fields just set outside of Panthers bucks. There would be one relevant playoff spot left between the Panthers and bucks and everything else in the NSU be set. But they're seating.

Yes, they'd be seating. That still matters a lot. I know, but there'd be one play, like one playoff spot to speak of war. And the AFC, if the Steelers beat the Browns next week, I don't and the cults lose a money of football then there are no AFC all the entire AFCs field will just be set

entering week 18 That's right yeah Which is not The wild cards will be L.A., Buffalo and Houston So again there will be seeding The one seed would be interesting Which maybe that's better in a way Because instead of shitty teams flying for a wild card

You get to watch good teams play for a one seed Maybe that's actually better Even though Denver I believe Denver plays the chiefs So Denver's gonna be playing fucking Well that no that's on Christmas Oh yeah you're right Right, the Broncos. Sweet.

We get to spend more time with our families. The Christmas slate is over, too. No, no. We're so back because the Christmas slate is so fucking terrible. Finally, we're free. Craig's other corner. Yeah, dude, the Christmas Day, here's what we have lined up. A Cowboys team that is not going to make the playoffs versus Josh Johnson on the commanders.

That's game one. Then we get the Lions playing Max Brosmer, most likely, game two. And then we're closing with the Broncos versus Chris Alodican. That's the three-game lineup. Enjoy your time with your family. This is like go home to your wife almost. Go spend time with your family. This is erotic to me.

Christmas Day. What are you going to do, Greg? Take that NFL. This very small window. Watch them like flex all those out. Just the last second. Buffalo Wildlings. This small window of time where if you make your fantasy championship,

it's going to be like a three-year window where they have games on Christmas, but also we haven't gone to an 18 game schedule yet. Where the only people make their championship will know this weird feeling of it's Christmas morning. and you're like with your family maybe with your children and you're trying to be in the mom at Christmas morning and you're like

do I fucking play Kenneth Gadewell or do I play Jailor Warren and you're just like all morning you're like oh my God I'm so lucky to be with my family and just like do I play Jake Ferguson or Hale Fannin? Honey did you back the car yet?

You're like I can't decide if I should start Breton Stranger Tyler Warren you're like burning bacon you're like fuck we're gonna be late oh that's good What else is new? We're just respecting the Carolina Panthers.

But the Panthers are so back and so is Bryce Young. I like that we talked about rehab number one picks and then we did Bryce Young an hour later. I've given up and come back to the Panthers more times this year than Craig's given up and come back to the Steelers, I think. The Panthers beat the Vox 23 to 20 today. By the way, and this is on us. This is on hyphen Tumi, I think. No more betting on Panthers games ever. Like we can't keep doing this to ourselves.

Craig, you weren't there, so that's probably it's me and Hyphins's fault. I gave you the bets I liked. You would listen to one of them. That was, uh, Craig, Craig's suggestions went three and out, which is funny. Well, because he wasn't there.

You weren't there. I spent one minute in the car. Craig, and I went, nah, these three. Next time, just don't go on vacation. All right. No, because then we would have talked, no, that he would have talked himself out of them

and he wouldn't even have this moment. Anyway, uh, yeah, the, the Bronx, or sorry, the Panthers beat the box. Now they are in first place. in the NFC South. And weirdly enough, Bryce Young is like becoming sort of just this late game hero. I saw this stat from David Newton from ESPN. Today, Bryce Young put together his 12th game winning drive in the fourth quarter

or overtime since he came into the NFL. That's the most by any quarterback in that span since he came to the NFL. They are losing. I hate that stat, but they're losing a lot. I hate the game winning drive. You hate the stat, but then we make fun of guys who can't win in the fourth quarter. Yeah, but I hate that stat. It's not worth getting it to.

I just think it's super. I mean, I understand how it's like having a bad team sets you up to have more of those like as a volume thing. But like Josh Allen doesn't get a game winning drive for the 13 second game. Like he's going to touch down. Josh Allen's bad. I know. I just. I know what you're saying.

I know what you're saying. I think. But it's weird that Bryce Young when he's not giving you the ick and being like a like a middle school child on the field is actually back with his mojo or winning game. Right. Right. It's just confusing is what I'm saying. And you know what? Deserves credit.

Also the Buccaneers absolute fucking collapse. What's going on there? This team is what they've lost I think six out of the last seven games. Baker Mayfield is terrible now. He's hurt, man. I know, but like, why is he playing then? He's fucking terrible. Get somebody else out there that's not hurt.

You lost six out of seven games. That was going to be my fart or chart. So we just stepped on that, but that's fine. Yeah, man, this game, I think you're right, D.K. About not betting on Carolina. I mean, they beat the Rams. They lose to a terrible team. Bryce Young, I think, is the only, I think for every starting quarterback in the league,

I can definitively give a yes or no on do I think the team should stick with that quarterback for the foreseeable future? Like, you can go through, I'm like, CJ Stroud, yes. You know, like, Tyler Shuck, I would say no. But Bryce Young is the only quarterback in the league where I'm like, I have no fucking idea. I don't know. Can we remember saying for the playoffs? I've said a lot that every team in the playoffs could beat anyone in a given week except the

Panthers. Panthers are going to win the NFC South. They're going to beat the Bucks in Week 18. The Panthers are going to win the NSC South. They're going to go. We're all going to be mad about it. And we're all going to say, well, this is the easiest team to bet against in the playoffs.

Guess what? The Panthers are going to win that fucking game. The Panthers are going to win that wildcard round. Every time you count out a division winner, they give it a game. And I'm not, maybe they won't win, but I don't want to bet against the Panthers because you know why? Everyone in the world will bet against Carolina in round one. It's going to be one of them like 90%, 10% splits.

You know who they're going to play, right? The fucking Rams. The spread's going to be 10. And I'm going to take it. And I'm saying the Rams could win, but it's going to be like, I refuse. Because you know why every year we're like, they have no chance. It's like the Taylor Heinekeye Washington team almost beat Tom Brady in the Buccaneers. Yeah.

And they were 7, 8, 1 or whatever. Like it always got this, the Marshall. The team we don't want to play for different reasons. They're not like super hot or anything. You know, like you always talk about the team that no one wants to face in the playoffs because they're getting caught at the right time. It's not necessarily the Panthers. It's just, it's embarrassing to lose to this team, so you get tight and you start to worry about it.

You can't lose to the guy with one arm. You just like, you can't, they're just like a dog that the owner's like, I don't know, he just doesn't like some people. Like I just, you just kind of, you don't know what they're gonna do. What an analogy. That's really funny. Yeah, how does fucking team beat the Rams and then lose to the States?

I just, I don't know. It's, I, Dude, Bryce, it just doesn't like some people. He also got tripped like from the center when he's got a sack because he just fell. It's just,

it's so funny every week. Okay. Intrusive thoughts? Craig, you got any? Justin Herbert, I feel like it should be more in the MVP conversation

than we are giving him credit for. We do the Josh Allen like, man, he's the whole team argument. Justin Herbert is the whole fucking Chargers team. And that guy is dragging this team. Yeah. This guy's got one hand.

He runs like Josh Allen now. He's unbelievable in every game. He gets the shit kicked out of him. He has the worst offensive line in the league. Is dating Madison beer? Sure. Toss that in. Tired.

Sure. All that. Absolutely. I mean, he got no sleep. Sorry, go ahead. No, I just am like, I don't know why we don't give him the credit that we give some of the other Josh. Like, he is closer to Josh Allen in terms of what he is doing. for his team, then not.

He broke his hand. He got hand surgery. He played on six days notice. And now he's two weeks out from hand surgery in his other hand. He's like stiff-arming guys in the face with these broken hand. He broke his hand and then it has won every game since.

Can they technically still win the division or is that out? Yeah, they can't. They're only one game back. Yeah, the Broncos have to lose to the Chiefs next week in Christmas, which suddenly feels impossible. Yeah, I'm with you, Craig. it's number one he's on the Chargers you know it's just a thing

and he's kind of dirtyy I don't know no one yeah no one wants to acknowledge that no one wants to just talk about Chargers being an MVP my intrusive thought this week did you guys see that the Steelers Lions game that final drive there was a tripping penalty yeah my intrusive

my intrusive thought was why can't you trip people in football I have that written down as well. You guys are pro tripping? This is football. Yeah. I can't trip you. I can blindside you and knock you out and I can't trip you.

I don't think you can really do that anymore. Okay. You can run full speed and tackle people in their solar plexus. They call it if it looks bad at this point, Craig. Yeah, fair. Still, we're talking about the most violent game in the world and you can't trip somebody? It is kind of weird. It is kind of weird.

Why can you not trip someone? You can literally move full speed. It's a safety thing, right? This is football. It's a safety thing. That's by far the safest way to bring someone down. Like they're like, you can't land on a corner of a body of your. Jared Goff is just running.

And then Highsmith just sticks out his leg and just trips somebody. He just falls to the ground. And they're like, no, no, no. That's dangerous. It's stupid. That's the dangerous part of football. It's the tripping. Like, you can approach a quarterback's blind.

shoulder into the spine and drive him into the ground, maybe not the driving into the ground part, but like you can still blindside a guy, fine. And you can't trip anyone. I ran this by Carlos earlier. Carlos was like, well, you allowed tripping. That's a, that's a slippery slope. To what tackling?

I, that's what I said. What's next? They can tackle you? Yeah, I just feel like to be allowed to trip. But when you put it in the same category, not that I actually really care about this, but when you put it in the same category is like the face mask and the, what you call it,

horse collar and things like that. That's for your spine. It's for your head and your neck. Face masks. You don't die. The shins get kicked in the shins. Wait, it's like a razor scooter. I just like don't really understand why some guys.

It's like the mime. The mime just taking a razor scooter to the shins. We can't have this on the football field. I just don't, it's like if somebody's running, you're allowed to grab their their ankles and basically lasso their ankle. together as they fall to the ground, but you can't trip them? Isn't that just aggressive tripping? I think it would genuinely is just like, I'm sure maybe there's injuries that could happen,

but I feel like it's more like it wouldn't be very entertaining. Also, you can trip with your arm. You just can't trip with your leg. Yes, that's what's so weird about it. Like if you're on your hands and knees and a running back, it's dishonorable. You can reach out with your arm. You can reach out with your arm and swipe their legs.

Why did they make this rule? Their class would say it's dishonorable. Maybe it leads to kicking, but maybe leg whipping. Let him kick. Why can you just, you can just go kick, you just go, sorry, you can't just go kick someone in the balls. I know, it's just funny that like, just the way it happened to it. So like, you kick him in the sheds.

He just fell down. Like that, that, it's like the best, it's the lightest and least violent form of tackling possible. I agree. I also had it written down. Maybe they took it out of the rules because it was too silly. You got guys, it's tripping. You should be able to jump kick people.

Who cares? I was thinking, you know what? If they allowed trip, I started thinking a lot about tripping today. You know what would happen is like Miles Garrett would figure out right as the guy's coming by him. He's blocked. He would grab the tackle by both shoulders and then launch himself and he would like fling himself with two legs and just like kind of cut the guy out from under him. Yeah. Be pretty cool.

I mean, aren't you still allowed to rip people down by their hair? Yes. You can rip someone down by their hair. But you can't trip them lightly. You can't stick your foot out. That's your best point yet, Craig. But you can't trip them. But I know the argument is like, well, it's your decision to have long hair.

So, but what rule did he break, D.K.? I mean, he broke the tripping rule. Yeah, I know. Which I'm fine with you guys. Flag, tripping, five yards. It's like a yoink. You have to say, yoink. Yoink.

Whoop. My other intrusive thought was I watched Tasing Hill Throat touchdown pass today. And I was like, why don't other players throw? Why is there only one guy that does all this? shit. The token white guy that does all this stuff. The 36 year old coming off an ACL injury, I'm like, he's the only other guy who

could do this without it being a trick. Nice throw, too. It was a nice throw. Yeah. I don't understand why quarterbacks don't punt. Because you can't, because your legs would get tired, Craig. Yes. From all the tripping.

Yeah. Sorry, quick award here. I just invented the, is she really into me or snap out of it? This is a strip club award for Quentin Johnson looking like Terrell Owens versus the Dallas Cowboys secondary today. What do you think, Craig? Quentin Johnson's good, and I stand by it. And I think he's just getting healthy, and he's just getting started.

Look out in the playoffs, QJ. Quentin Johnson looked like a total. We were really viving in there. We have the same interests. She took me to the back room. She doesn't do that a lot, she says. Yeah, she said, this never happens. Play of the day, we didn't mention the Kenneth Gainwell, the catch where he just with like 13 seconds left, they somehow threw a bomb down the side.

Then Kenneth Gailwell catches it, shakes the Anzolone, the Targaryen Detroit Lions linebacker, and then Lanz stands up and runs into the end zone. Yep. I don't even know. The physics didn't make any sense. Like his forearm, like, absorbed all of this energy and speed of the ball. and it just kind of stopped and landed in between his two hands and he got out and ran to the end. Fucking crazy.

He's like the craziest catch I've seen all year. Which ended up being the difference at the game was that if they didn't get that touchdown at the end, they got a field goal. It's a five point game. Like the Steelers might not even win. Okay. Any other plays?

Nico Collins calling game. The Raiders almost beat the Texans, which we didn't really talk about that much today. But Stroud threw it up to him down the sideline. Nico Collins went up and caught it. he'd like managed to get his elbow in just before he went out of bounds is an incredible catch and that was the ending of the game so i almost don't want to acknowledge the rangers texans game i want to watch next week's game and then talk and then and then analyze this one i like that

tom brady any uh announcer stuff i this is a tough week for i think the ceilocks rams game al michael's oh my god dude so the al michael shaheed touchdown so i have i have these i have two clips queued up with Christ. And I want to play them because I think so the Rashid, the Rashid Shaheed touchdown, he doesn't give it a lot of juice, obviously. This is a pivotal moment in the game. He doesn't give a lot of juice. I'm almost convinced that at the end of the Shahid rung, someone in his ear is like,

Al, you've got to rant this up. This is an important moment because it's like the most unnatural cadence and inflection. Shaheed. Yes. At the very end, he's like, Rahid, Shaheed, touchdown. Let's play the clip. You'll hear him start mellow and then ramp it up. As a preface, it's important to note that he didn't start ramping up until

Shaheed was like at the five-yard line. Yes, because someone's in his ear. Be like, Al, wake up, out, wake up. It's like clapping next to a dog, like a deaf dog. We can play it. Tampa Bay and Brady and beat San Francisco coming from behind in the championship game. Meanwhile, that punt is caught and down the line goes Rashid Shaheed for the For the score.

For the score! No way. Is it someone in his ear or is it him being like, there goes, and then he looked at the little paper in front of him, and he's like looking for the number frantically. He's like, uh, Rashid Shahid. But then I think by the end of the game, they were like, hey, Al, you got to kind of lock in. This is kind of one of the all-time great games. So then the AJ Barner touchdown, Al's kind of back. Let's play that one.

Play clock at three. Rolling left. Throwing back the other way. He's got a man caught. Yeah. Barner, touchdown. That was classic Michaels. I like that one.

I thought you were trying to trick us. No, actually, I think somebody was like, I'll ramp this up. He was great. I don't know what they gave him, but he woke up. A steak. They didn't give a fast.

He did his halftime steak. Yeah. No, I think it's important to note the literal, somebody pointed this out to me after I read, because Big Cat, like, tweeted out the, Now Michael's collie's like, goosebumps. Goose bumps out. Goose bumps.

He literally didn't even say that it was fielded by Shaheed until Shaheed was like to the 15-yard line. He's talking about other hands. It already beaten like six or seven defenders and was almost into the end zone. And he's like fielded by she. Rashid. Shaheed. I know. And then like Herb Street's like watching Bama, Oklahoma hideouts on his phone.

He's prepping for the college. Who called in the biggest moment. of the game called Sam Darnold, Sam Bradford. Also, Herb Street, I was lost a little respect for him because Al Michaels was talking about how Pooka Nakua only eats steak and doesn't eat meat, doesn't eat vegetables.

Didn't call him on it? And I was like, Kirk's going to call him on it right here, right? I don't know if Kirk and maybe I missed it. Maybe I missed it. Do you think he knows? Definitely knows. He's too busy watching Bama. He's too busy flying back and ever gets dinner with Al Michaels. I will say, maybe maybe he said it and I was just waiting for Kirk Street to make a joke that Al Michaels also doesn't eat vegetables.

And it just, maybe I missed it. I just, I never came. He's not, he's not comfortable enough yet in the relationship with Al. Yeah, because Al would probably fucking death glare. Well, maybe I was sleeping. Yeah. Didn't want to wake him. He's like, I eat a man's food, you little shit. Oh, God.

How old is Al? Eighty-eight, 84, two? Ever since Craig said that he did the miracle in ice 45 years ago. I was like I'm like okay yeah I see how I was gonna turn into my new Clint Eastwood bit where Clint Eastwood was really old back in the 80s like I was like pretty old back in the 1975s Clint Eastwood made the movie unforgiven as like his swan song in 1992 yeah we were not born that was like the old cowboy before you guys were born it's like how the coaches used to retire from like old age.

John Madden coached like eight years and he was like, I can't imagine doing this any longer. I'm like 46. Clint Eastwood was an old decrepit man in in unforgiven like he he talked to that chair at the convention like 13 years ago. He's 95. Oh shit.

Oh my God. How old was he when he made the what was the movie he made where he was like protecting the president? Oh, in the line of fire. Yeah. He was already pretty old when he made that. Yeah, he was like borderline too old to be in that movie. Because he can't run along with the limo.

And I know the point is he's kind of old, but it's still, it strains credulity. Strains. It should be a category each week. Hold on. I got to find out when that way. Hi, Fitz, that's one of those phrases that like as only, like no one says credulity except no one says it out loud. No one says credulity.

Yeah. That's so true. You know who actually deserves an Oscars, Timothy. Jalibay for that leaked Zoom meeting that was fake, but like the best, like, when they pretended that it was a marketing meeting on Zoom that leaked, which I got to tell you, I watched it. And if I didn't know, I never would have known. Oh, stop.

I would have figured out eventually, but the bit that- Don't be so naive. Well, I watched the first 30 seconds and I was like, this looks pretty real. I mean, I saw it was fake. But the bit that, like, the touch that his background would be himself getting an award on the laptop was pretty incredible. He's like yelling about like the Statue of Liberty painted orange and the 18. 24 people are like, no, no, yeah, I like that. That's good. No, the part where they're like,

he's just like, so can I share, can you guys see my screen? Can you see it? Can I, do you have to be the host? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, his folders, he opens the folders and it's like, good ideas one, good ideas two. He's like, my guy worked on this for six months. It's just like an orange square is this, this reminds me I sent this to you guys over the weekend. The, there is a video out there right now. And this is part of the, and I learned after. this is part of the Marty Supreme promo tour, which I had, I had no idea because I haven't seen the movie and I don't really know. It's not out yet.

Okay, well, that explains why I haven't seen it. Also, I just don't go to movies really, but. Well, also they're like, it's a, it's a, yeah, he like played ping pong. And I'm like, that's like the worst pitch ever for a movie. I do need a weird, right. There's a thing, some video, this is the most mad lives thing. I've never felt older and I've never felt more out of touch than when I watch this on, on Instagram.

And it was like, Timothy Shalameh and Druski talked to this. I can't even remember what it said because it was just like a foreign language to me. And I had no idea what was happening. He's like, Chamalais or Salamee is like sitting in a chair and there's all these guys with big ping pong balls on their head. And the guy comes in and does a dance and he like blows him a kiss at the end. He goes, received. And he's like, that was perfect. sends him over to Drewski.

And I barely know who Drewski is, by the way. Drewski does this thing and throws them out. I didn't understand the title. I didn't understand one second of the video. I had no idea what the context was, what this is for, what they're auditioning for, what the dance was, what any of the things they were saying meant. I've never felt more out of touch in my life. It was like fucking mad libs.

This is your Lucille Blu's moment. Yeah, seriously. Played or platter. I don't understand the question. That was Pookin-a-ku and I won't respond to it. Dude, it's Pooka-Koo on Aided Raw Stream caught doing Selly. And I'm like, I... Jay Smog and Zushka caught flipping a grunt.

Grunt with that boy. I was like, I, God damn it. I don't know what any of this is. What do you know what it is? What is it? Explain it to me. No, I watched that. I knew very little about that was. That makes me feel so much better.

Thank you. Okay. Speaking to Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the question and I won't respond to it. I just wanted to note that the Jets hired a cornerback, a former cornerback to be their head coach, Aaron Glenn. And in exchange, the Jets have no interceptions this season. They have the longest streak fucking crazy. They have the longest streak of any games, not just in a season, any streak of games without an interception for any team since the forward pass was legalized in 1940 or whatever year it was. So literally the history of the NFL, the longest streak ever.

And Jets have two weeks left to get an interception or they will maybe forever be the only team to not intercept a pass in an entire season. Wow. Their head coach is a cornerback. It's like incredible. I see your Jets stat and I raise you another. So Garrett Wilson last caught a pass for the Jets on October 12th

and he leads the Jets in receiving the season. with 395 yards 395 Oh my God That's brutal Wait what is the lowest yardage Someone's led a team with and receiving And like the

The head had to be like beady feathers Way back in the day Probably was beady feathers Milt plum Milt plum Oh my God I still just Just even hearing those names

Cup buck Any other Lucille blues Buzz Nutter Oh I got a couple actually here Hold on. We forgot to talk about this because we kind of passed over it. But Josh Johnson came into another fucking game today. Sorry, this weekend.

And if you don't know who Josh Johnson is, here's one clue. Back in 2018, in the year of our Lord 2018, I tweeted out that Josh Johnson has been signing with teams before you were born and he'll be doing it long after you've died. That was like almost eight years ago. He's fucking Clint Eastwood. Josh Johnson was old. He was an old decrepit man on the first of four times he was on the 49ers. Dude, Josh Johnson, he is now played for 14 different NFL teams, most in NFL history.

He has multiple stints. He has four stints with the 49ers, two stints with the Jets, three stints with the Ravens. Four with the Niners? They probably just keep his locker up. Honestly, they keep his nameplate and they're just like, it's like a Velcro. We're losing money every time we get rid of that thing. We can't keep doing that. Keep having to print new ones.

Yeah. He's been with the Ravens three times and the commanders twice. Josh Johnson, man. He's going to go down in history. I don't know for what, but he will. Put him in the Hall of Fame. I can't believe you had that eight years ago. Put his 14 different NFL teams jerseys in the Hall of Fame.

Dude, I tweeted that in 2018. It was like ridiculous in 2018 what he was doing. Speaking of guys, just stick it around way longer than you thought. I was just this is not football but I was just dumbfounded that video this week of LeBron James

and they asked him about a young player who was coming up and LeBron looks at and he's like oh sorry man I don't I don't really watch basketball anymore

I kind of just watch golf on YouTube and he like rattled off like three golf YouTubers because I watch Bryson DeShambo yeah I know I don't really watch you're there talking to the wrong guy he's like he was good against us though

I was shocked I kind of get it You know This is the sauce gardener This is why the Lakers can't win a title Until they get rid of LeBron No one's ever gotten better When they start playing golf

Did you send me the video of him Like practicing chipping or something On the side of the side of the Yeah yeah yeah He's in the line for the national anthem And he's like tearing his swing I've seen people do that Those people don't do anything at work

Yeah nothing He was working on his takeaway It didn't look bad either Those people Do you think he brought like his putter to like the locker room? He's got a little cup he's putting into The people who like

Are just in the office first of all they're good But the people who are just kind of doing little like swings And follow throughs all the time in the middle of the day I You know Just just go retire now, Braun I know That's one of your better takes hyphids

It's also like it's funny because he kind of treats it He's actually so old that he treats it like regular elderly people at work Like that's how 65-year-old people are at work Right, right, I'm gonna go play golf. Yeah, but his NBA age is like 65, so it's fine. Yeah. Any of the things he goes, we want to hit? No.

Save Jake Paul and Andrew Tate for another day. My buddy did tweet out a video of that of Jake Paul getting knocked out, and the video got like, he recorded it on his TV and then posted it to Instagram, and it got like 5 million, like, likes. It's like the most, it's the most viral thing I've ever. seen in my life. It turns out people were hoping to see that. It's fun to watch the chaos.

I'm happy to announce that while I was on vacation, I did not watch or consume a single second of anything Jake Paul related. Can I recommend a specific second, the one where gets knocked out? Just doing one. Just do one. He's going to do one seconds enough.

Which you're a proponent of, right, Craig? One second? Yeah. Normally. Maybe a little more. Give it five seconds. Okay. two tight ends who outscore Kyle Pitts and a lie.

I got big news, boys. There's not two tight ends. Kyle Pitts is the number two tight end this week. Only Harold Finn and scored more. Tell you. Cal Pitts, I'll admit, he's good. Pretty good. Looks pretty good.

Uh, shout out Carl Pitts. Okay. Burn book. I mean, I think it's Jackson Dart. He had point 0.02 is so fucking. 33 yards in a full game. He had two, 200s of a mercilessly made fun of Justin Fields this year. High Fitz.

You and I did. we have to make fun of Jackson Dart. It's so, dude, I think 0.02 is so much worse than zero. I'd so much rather have zero than some point 0. 02. It draws attention to the number. You have to think about it. And now it's like if you somehow, whatever, if you're playing for third now because

you just lost with him, like now that they're playing the Raiders, like, do you start them or no? You can't start somebody after they put a 0.0. Forgive them after something like that. The Raiders. You can't just forgive them that quickly. All right. So we're burning Dart.

I'm, am I? We're light and what else? Is there someone else? I mean, it's just such an insulting number. No, I mean, Dart was really. I mean, all those guys we listed were terrible, but like I, like I would, I probably wouldn't burn Travis Kelsey because again, he was catching passes from who? What was his name?

Chris Aladucan. Right. We can't even pronounce it. Oladikin. Aladikin. A lot of kin. Yeah, that's it. That's a lot of kin.

Hey, oh. All right. Right. When Craig makes things, I would say, that's time to get out of here. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, everyone for listening. Check out the Discord. Link is in the episode description.

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if you should play like Dalton Schultz this week or Hale Fannan. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Melanie Thornton. That's the Coca-Cola song, woman? Yeah. Holidays are coming. Holidays are coming.

Holidays are coming. Do-do do-do-do-da-ha-da-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. We didn't know if that song was made up by the Coca-Cola conglomerate. It's not. It was this woman in the early aughts, right? When was it? Oh, is it that long ago?

What did you say? I don't know, hold on. Austin sent me this info. It was like 20. You were singing this before the show started. How old is the woman? Who is she? What's her name?

Oh, no way. She was part of Labouche. She was part of the Eurodance group Labouche, which I've heard of. What is her name? it's her fucking name you just said it name name a woman name one woman name a woman

Amelia Earhart on the street things name a woman Melanie Thornton Craig thank you my goodness it's the name of the song is wonderful dream holidays are coming when did it come out

um let's see 2000 oh sorry 2001 you're right what is her name let's try to read Jesus any number and you win three

tell you what my friend despite your best efforts you may have walked out of here with a winner that song like that song is in my brain deeply inserted in my holidays come holiday's come

Coca-Cola man they know what they're doing CIA Santa they they they say A started reping Coca-Cola in the 90s, and then they came up at the polar bear

Coca-Cola commercial, and now Coca-Cola just like is Christmas in my head now. Dude, didn't they invent it what Santa looks like? Fucking crazy. Didn't they come up with the modern image of Santa? Who? Coca-Cola.

The way he looks like, the way we all think of Santa now is like Coca-Cola invented that idea. Oh, really? I think so. That doesn't. They didn't invent Santa, but they invented that image of Santa. Which is what? Like, he's in the red coat and he's fat with a beard?

Yeah, well, Google Gemini says, no, Coca-Cola did not invent Santa. But it's advertising campaign starting in 1931 with the illustrator, Haddon's Sunblom played a massive role in popularized in standardizing the jolly red-suited white-bearded Santa we know today. So they gave him fucking Coca-Cola Red. Oh, my. I didn't even fucking think about that part. Holidays are coming.

Oh, my God. So that's how advertising works. Christmas is the only time of year where I'm like, inject the advertisements right into my blood. You know, Ivey? Craig, you know what other song she's saying? What?

The Be my lover song. Be my lover, want to be my lover. You remember that song? It's not the best rendition of all time. I don't think I do. We'll check it out. It's pretty good. I look the other one.

How did it go? Holiday will come. Holiday will come. Goodbye, everyone.