The Ringer NFL Show - Week 16 Recap: Lions Stumblerooski, Jayden Hurts Philly, Burrow’s Katanas, and 1.1 Bananas

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 16 action by going through categories such as “Who Won Week 16?,” “Intrusive Thoughts,” and “The Lucille Bluth Award” (3:08). Later, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn Book (01:20:03). The Oppenheimer Award (2:33 / 3:08) Fantasy Murderers (17:42) Winners and Losers (22:59) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (36:35) Intrusive Thoughts (57:04) Play of the Day (01:04:43) The Tyrique Stevenson Worst Play of the Day (01:11:27) Worst Ref Moment (01:13:10) The Lucille Bluth Award (01:14:09) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up, guys, your boy Johnny Bananas here. The Challenge Season 40 Battle of the Eras is finally upon us. I'll be covering every episode with all your favorite challengers on my podcast, death taxes and bananas on the Ringer Reality TV podcast feed, and on the brand new Ringer Reality TV YouTube channel where you can find full video episodes all season long. So buckle up. Come along with me as we see who will be crowned winner of the Challenge Season 40 Battle of

the eras. Follow Ringer reality TV on Spotify and subscribe to us on YouTube. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dana Hypatts and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Colobach and we're going over all the games from Sunday of Week 16 and Saturday because there were Saturday games. Fantasy semifinals, a lot of carnage out there. Congratulations. If you are moving on, uh, starting with Sunday football, this game is going on as we are talking. This, Cowboys are up 26, 24 as we're going and we're like, you know what? We're just going to start. We thought it was over and then Baker was just ripping it. Just ripping passes down

Steve. Rippin passes, DK. Ripping passes to a guy named is rip passes. Ripping passes to a guy named Ryan Miller for a touchdown who we all collectively discovered. He's a person. More points to CalPitts. I got to tell you, my main takeaway from this game,

Mike Tariko went on the rant about how stupid it is that the play clock is actually 41 seconds. And it's like the idea that we literally have like 40 cameras doing instant rebrands. play and we're going down to the millisecond. And the play

clock is still on the thing where if it hits double zeros, but the ref has to turn around, look at the clock behind him, turn around if the ball has been snapped, then that still counts. Such a terrible system. I knew that was the rule, but that was the actually the most I've ever heard Mike Torrico complain about anything involving

football in my entire life. Usually he's like, I just love these rules, Mike. Every rule is so perfect. It doesn't make sense. But Tariko was fired up and I was like, Tarika's this bad. He gets fired up. Yeah. Yeah, it's dumb.

I also feel like refs, like some of them take their, they take an extra beat to turn, look back, you know? It's the angel's share, you know? He's pouring out a little.

Yeah. It's like this weird thing that they just allow to half it for every, you know, every time. Yeah, is what it is. Yeah, Land Clark,

the land clerk really on it with this one. Okay. So let's just get into the game here. Shouldn't there just be like a horn that goes off the second it hits zero? Like a shot clock. Yeah. Yeah. It's true.

Basketball isn't bad. Yeah. Well, if only someone I thought of that. Or like a fucking light like they have in hockey when you score. I don't know. Oh, that would actually be sick because they had a countdown and shoot like 10, 9, 8. Like that would actually really mess with quarterbacks. Anyway, we can get to the games.

Yeah, what if like the ball like lit up like the second it hits zero? That'd be cool. It's kind of hard to see the ball. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you have ideas on how they should fix delay of game. Let's get to the games from today. We actually have to start with op and hockey. today for the player who went nuclear because Jonathan Taylor

ended a lot of seasons today like almost personally like he basically just ended I know personally three people who had the highest score they had in their league all season and they lost because they had Jonathan Taylor they were facing Jonathan Taylor 219 rushing yards in three touchdowns 40 fantasy points

Colts had a franchise record 335 rushing yards the last time the cults had 300 rushing yards was 1958 shout out melt Davis and Art DeCarlo who were on that team Art DeCarlo Art DeCarlo was a defensive back

That's how long ago it was There were defensive backs named Art DeCarlo I don't think that this was like As good as when Todd Gurley was running rampant In like 2017 in the playoffs But this was one of the most crushing Fantasy semifinals thing in a couple of years Probably since the Camara Christmas game

No it reminds me the Camara thing Camara Yeah six touchdowns right Yeah And it was in the semis I believe that year Again It was Christmas those the finals.

It was Christmas. It ruined my Christmas. I lost the finals. I lost the finals because. Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan Taylor. So there's like this world where Jonathan Taylor and Anthony Richardson are like

this bizarre version of Jalen Hertz and Sequin Barclay. And we saw that kind of today because Anthony Richardson was running all over the place. Jonathan Taylor looks, when he gets going, like he looks like one of the best running backs in the NFL full stop. Maybe like the second best behind Sequin. Or you could like throw Derek Henry in there too. I don't know. Who are the other top guys? Bajon Robinson.

Yeah. Bajon. Do you think that that's what happened? Because honestly, the Colts got going right when Jalen Hertz left that game. Maybe it was like a space jam thing. Although I will say, the funny thing, so Anthony Richardson also had a career, he had a career high 70 rushing yards. He only completed seven passes today.

And yet the Titans were like totally unprepared for like a Richardson Taylor read option. They were unprepared like the safety angles, the safeties were taking on Jonathan Taylor was like they didn't know how freaking fast he was. If any team should actually just become Navy, it's the Colts. Like they really should just throw the ball 10 times or less every game. They are like the knockoff Eagles. It's like once every four games, you bang on the remote and it starts working again.

That's kind of like the Colts offense. But nice to see things moving along. I don't know if you're in the playoffs. If you have Jonathan Taylor, maybe he's been fine this year, a little banged up and kind of like hit or miss. Right. But if you were like a plucky wildcard team with Jonathan Taylor, you definitely just beat the number one seat in your league. I feel confident saying you're in the playoffs of Jonathan Taylor if you took other running backs too. Like if you took Taylor and you still kept taking running backs.

Like Breeze Hall or something. Yeah, exactly. Like, I mean, unfortunately, I did that and got last. So Jonathan Taylor just rotted away on my 12th place team. That's great. Getting 40 points.

We need a word for that. I don't want to listen to that. Oh, oh my God. Well, that's the other thing is imagine if you're, I mean, I'm sure a lot of people listening right now and are so mad.

Imagine last week losing in the playoffs because Jonathan Taylor dropped the ball in the goal line. And instead of having like this like touchdown run, it's like an eight point swing because it's a fumble. And then now you lose by that margin. And then now you're watching him. 40 points and you're like, great, I would have won my league, but he dropped the freaking ball. And then he did

the forest gump celebration. You just kept running into the stagre into the bowels of the stadium. Oh my God. Very confusing time. So honestly, I will say, except for, as you said, Craig Breeshall in McCaffrey, obviously, all the highly drafted running backs did pretty well today. They all kind of went off. Like, you got what you paid for. Like

Taylor, obviously, Sequin Barkley had 109 yards in a touchdown in the first quarter, which is just crazy. Jamir Gibbs without David Montgomery for the Lions today. Gibbs had the third most scrimmage yards of his career. Bijon Robinson had the second most carries of his career, had 94 yards in a touchdown.

Like A. Chan had 190 scrimmage yards. Two touchdowns for Bijan. Oh yeah, two touchdowns for Bijan. A. Chan had 190 scrimmage yards in a touchdown. Like Derek Henry had almost 190 scrimmage yards. Like, Karen Williams had 20 fantasy points. Like generally speaking, if you made it this far, you got what you paid for at the top running back.

So it's just a big day overall for them. But the cheap. the cheap running backs kind of came out ahead of all them except Taylor though like it was just a big day for running backs up and down weird weird day I feel like in fantasy so Craig you got your last place team how'd you do with the other teams today I'm only in two leagues last I was last and first my first place team I'm down five points and I have the Packers defense tomorrow against the Rattler and the Rizzler so we'll see how I do there but yeah I feel like it was I feel like there were a lot of teams that exploded because of they're It was like a pretty tumultuous week. There was a lot of huge performances. I feel like it was only, it might have been last week where there was very few receivers, if any, that had more than like 25 points.

Today we have guys like Chuba Hubbard, you know, Justin Jefferson had the 35 points. Once again, Brock Bowers had like 12 catches. I feel like there was a lot of explosive performances today. Yeah, agreed. I was just talking to you guys before the show. It's just weird seeing like your team. I'm playing a ton of leagues.

It's just really weird seeing your teams kind of drop like flies. I had a couple first place teams that were really good. you know, lose games that I, you know, should have won or whatever. It's just so depressing this time of year. I was going to ask you guys about this. It's a holiday. Here's what I wanted to ask you. Speaking of the Jonathan Taylor thing, I was having this discussion with a good buddy of mine.

And do you like the variance in fantasy? Like, do you like it when six seeds can come in and win? Or do you prefer, or would you rather have it like, you know, the playoffs are set up? We play some, we play in a league together where there's a rumble. So the last two weeks, it's four. teams are in the finals, the rumble. The way that you have this league, I had never heard of it to explain it to me,

and you sent like paragraphs like you were like a lawyer, but it's actually the best thing. It's kind of his great child, I think. There are no semifinals. Yeah, shout out to Jackson Evans who does this. There's no semifinals. The final four teams all play over two weeks and the highest scoring of those four wins.

I think that's the best fantasy format. It's the right way. It's the most logical way to determine who the best team is and reward them with first place and the money or whatever you play for. However, there's still something about going head to head with somebody. This is exactly what I said, Craig. I fall somewhere in the middle because I do like the Rumble format.

It's really fun. It's smart. And it is like, it does typically like it tries to eliminate as much variance as possible. There's always a lot of variance in football and fantasy. But like generally speaking, like if you've done a really good job of building your team and you have and you've put that skill forward and created a really good team, like it more often than not,

it'll reward the teams that are really good. But this is my total, this was exactly what I said to. I'm like, there's something magic about variance. It's the any given Sunday factor that we see in the NFL. Like you could have this six seed come in. You could have the giants come in and beat the undefeated patriots. You know what I mean?

It's like March Madness is one way where it's like anything can happen to 12 seeds in the final four or like the BCS bull system where they just pick the two best teams and they're automatically in the finals. But it's also like, like you said, there is a magic about going up against someone. And typically like in these leagues you're playing against your friends. So it's like you're really in this battle with your friend. You're watching his players and like hoping that they suck and hoping for their failure. You got the group chat.

The group chat dies. If it's a four, you know, four team rumble, it's like, oh, my guy just scored a touchdown. We'll see what that means in two weeks. I know that. I'm not saying that it's not like the smart way to do it. I think here's that, well, the short answer with your variance thing, because basically what you're saying is it took five minutes for us to be like, so do you think fancy football kind of sucks or what do you think?

And I think, I think. No, but it's the agony and the ecstasy. It's like what makes it fun. Fantasy is like family. You don't like your family, but you love them. Yeah, exactly. I don't like fantasy, but I love it. The short answer is like, the variance is sick when it works for me.

Totally, totally. I hate it. But this is also why I actually firmly believe Leach need kickers. And I really, I understand why people get rid of them, but I think that you're wrong. It's just like a wild card. Because the premise of getting rid of kickers. You're going to do it, do it, you know? Yeah, the premise of getting rid of kickers is if I could only better predict

and control my universe, I will then finally reach self-absolution realization. And no, you fucking won't. Like, that's the whole point is like, you know what? I have no idea how these kickers are going to do. That's like fantasy in a nutshell. I'd rather have an all kicker league

than no fucking people. Like, that's the whole fucking point. It's like you're missing the point of fantasy if you're anti-kicker. Like I'm sorry. You're right. There was too much of a blowback. We over corrected with getting rid of kickers.

I'm not in any leagues with kickers anymore. And I think I'm going to bring it back. It's Trump's America now. Let's get kickers back. make fantasy great again There's only two ways to score points You can't get rid of one of them You know what I mean?

It's only right that the year Trump comes back As president we bring Harrison Butker back as you know I will say dude Jason Sanders for the Dolphins is out here Having 20 more points that Kyle Pitts today So I mean that's fantasy football That's just wild We have to mention you have to speaking of wait Speaking of Oppenheimer though

Yeah Dude jaden Daniels for Washington I didn't we talk about running backs, but holy shit. Yeah, in the preview episode, we were talking about how we don't really know who the commanders are in this game would mean a lot. Even though Hertz went down early with the concussion never came back. I was, the commanders won, they won by 5, 3328. Even though Jalen Hertz wasn't playing in the game, I was impressed that they were able to score 33 points on this Eagles defense, which was like still pretty much fully healthy and going.

It was a crazy game, dude. They're now another team this year with five turnovers to win the game. The Lions did that. I don't know however weeks ago. Jared Goff had five picks. Dude, this game was nuts. The commanders went down double digit points twice and ended up still winning the game.

Jalen had five touchdowns, but two picks. Both of them were like really bad. But I thought this showed so much growth for him. He is so good. He makes me like rethink how I judge rookies. Where if Jaden wasn't in the league, I'd be like, oh, Caleb's having a good rookie year.

But watching Jaden, and like there are certain guys where when they get into the league like if you're going to be one of those people it usually happens fucking quick right it was like the second we saw Mahomes it was like oh yep Herbert we were like he's got it and I feel the same way about Jayden Daniels there's definitely like slow burns out there

like the Josh Allen's but there are guys like Stroud and Herbert Mahomes and now Jaden where the second they get into the league it's like week three and you're like I've seen enough I actually would not only do I agree I would actually even go further and I would say just going backward in time Jayden Daniels is just straight up better than Cedger Stroud was last year. It's not even close to me.

I think that in the beginning it felt like Sacrilege after a few weeks. Like, Jay and Daniels is significantly, like he played better this season than C. G. Stroud's ever played. Well, I will,

I think we have to wait a little bit. C.J. Stroud put up like 42 on the Browns in the playoffs. Yeah, but the Browns defense, I mean, no, I get that,

but like, that was also the one, like, Jane Daniels has had, I mean, the amount of games that he's won in big moments. I know it's not necessarily a playoffs, but like,

walk off winning against. the Bengals. I know the Bears thing was kind of lucky, but like walk off with it. Like his energy, the winning energy at this point, like how many game winning touchdowns can he lead? Like, how many game winning drives can Jayden Daniels lead? Like, and I think to your point, I forget Jadnals is a rookie all the time. Yeah. Like, like, I mean, I think he's the best rookie quarterback I've seen since Andrew Luck or Cam Newton. I can't believe I'm out here defending C.J. Stroud, but no, I do agree with you. It's funny. The commanders are just one of those teams, you know? I mean, today they should have lost. Devante Smith should have caught that past games over.

They lose. Well, to your point five turn. And again, they did it against Kenner. Pickett. Like, Jalen Hertz got hurt in the 11th play of the game concussion. I mean, talk about fantasy murder. There were fantasy

murderers today. We'll get to those. Yeah. It's not his fault. I think it's more like fantasy manslaughter or something. I don't know what happens legally when it's not your fault.

But like, you know, it's good that when you get a concussion, you leave a game. But they went against Kenny Pickett and they still really were on the ropes the whole game. As you,

I mean, I saw this Washington, the Eagles, it's the first time they lost a game in five turnovers in 25 years for the Eagles. I know, that was like the wild

And every team has that stat. Like you feel like you don't ever lose when you get. Yeah, I saw that. I was like, that's it. They did that 25 years ago. She really never do that. My thought watching it was like, it was like a weird, confusing, conflicting, like feeling, like, feeling watching that game because it was like, yeah, they're playing the Eagles, but Jalen

Hertz is out. So I don't know. There's an asterisk there. And then, oh, yeah. But also, like, wow, they did really well. They scored 36 points against this Eagles defense. Like, that's super impressive. But wait, also the Eagles defense created five takeaways.

So that's, well, I like, I don't know how to feel about this game. It was just super bizarre. Well, that's the other thing fantasy murder. Brian Robinson out here with two points. Oh, my God, yeah. Brian Robinson fumbled twice in the first half, I think. Yeah, he fumbled twice, so you lose four points, 41 yards. You get four.

So we had 0.1 points plus whatever you got in PPR for two catches. But you mentioned, you mentioned Cam Newton with Jane Daniels. Similarities in style and more important, like how important they're going to be in fantasy. Like, Jane Daniels is going to be. a Cam Newton style player, a Lamar Jackson style player in fantasy. There's, I saw this from Greg Allman. There's four players, sorry, it's happened four times where a player has thrown five touchdowns and rushed for 80 plus yards.

One of them was today, Jane Daniels. Two of them were Lamar Jackson in 2019 when he won the MVP. And one of them was in 2015 with Cam Newton. Which I think he won. Did he win the Super. He won the MVP, but didn't win the Super Bowl. They lost to the Broncos. Right.

Because he didn't. So anyways, MVP type performances, obviously. and Jane Daniels is already in that stratosphere. Fantasy-wise, like, he, I mean, the sky is, like, the absolute limit with this guy. His deep ball is as good as anybody in the league. And I'm trying not to be hyperbolic, but, like, I really, I just forget he's a rookie all the time. And the deep balls, I mean, I actually, I was at Washington's headquarters last week, and I talked to Terry McLaurin about this at Flex.

And, like, I asked him, and I basically was like, I know there's like 53 guys in the team and all that jazz, but, like, really, though, how much of this is Jayden Daniels? as a percentage. And Terry McLaren thought about it. He was like 50%. Maybe 40. 50. And I was like one, it was like, but you don't hear players admit that very much. Yeah.

But it's true. And I think that is the takeaway. And the irony is exactly what Craig said. We'll learn a lot about Washington. Jalen Hertz gets hurt. We're like, all right, maybe we won't learn anything about Washington. But I actually think we know exactly what we need to know about Washington,

which is 40 of these, as good as the season's been, 40 of these players, I don't know where they're going to be in a couple of years. Like, I don't, like, there's a crazy amount of free agents in this team and one-year deals. I don't know where Washington, going. I don't know what they're doing the playoffs.

But Jaden Daniels is absolutely like a cornerstone that 24 teams would trade their quarterback for. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, dude, he had back the Diami Brown Deep Ball. He has like the Russell Wilson. Those things just fall right into their lap. And then the Terry McClorn touchdown. Yeah. Nice. But again, fantasy murder,

Brian Robinson, the two points in the playoffs is actually crazy. And one point, one point one point one, if you had at half PPR, which is just so annoying to look at. Jalen Hertz, I mean, there's nothing you can do. Jailen Hertz had five points of like 11 plays and left the game. It's like,

if you lost, Jaylen Hertz this week, like that sucks. I'm sorry. Yeah. The other, I mean, there were a couple other ones. It wasn't just Jaylen, though.

Josh Allen, 12 points today, brutal. Even though they won, they beat the pass by three. Kind of a weird game. I don't even think Josh played badly. The Patriots actually did a great job

of holding onto the ball and having long sustained drives. Drake made played really well. And they kind of kept the game close. And then Josh Allen had a weird play where he like, something happened to his elbow. And he basically lost sensitivity

in his hand. And he was shaking his hand. for like the last quarter and he was trying the stranger he's like football's too easy so i'm going to try the stranger with the strange sit on your hand yeah yeah oh my god jesus hi fits tell me you know what the stranger is i think i just figured it out yeah context clues i feel like you can get that um hopefully josh just has like a very bad funny bone and yeah he'll be fine uh but yeah dude 12 points he had 51 and 41 the last few weeks did he barely had more fantasy points than can he picket today you know what's weird is this was only the third

worst game of the year for Josh in fantasy. He has had some duds. Weird. But yeah, that was a bizarre performance. I played against him. And it was so nice. He's like, football's too easy. I'm going to try the stranger this week.

Getting kind of bored. It was. It was. It was fine. Trabiski was warming up. It was like, all right, I'm not going to actually go that. Just doing this to feel something. Another fantasy murder was Patrick Taylor Jr. The running back for the Niners. An old-time waiver-wire screw job.

He had three points today. He had 24 yards rushing. They basically just didn't even use him. Debo was the running back. He was a decoy all the time. They just used him to just set up like runs to Debo and screens the use check and everything. They clearly didn't want to use them. I guess the fifth string is one too many.

The fourth string can have 150 yards. You don't actually have a fine string. We found the limit of the Shanahan system of like churning out running backs. I got tricked by the projected by the projected like 11 in my league. And then I was like, him or Jalen Warren. Jalen Warren was like eight. I was like,

well, Patrick Taylor is he's going to start. Played like shit. They didn't use it. How long have we been doing this show? Because I have never heard more from the people in my life about what projected points were for players than today. I've never heard more about like, well, Patrick Taylor's got 11 and this guy's got like nine and a half. So what do I do? Yeah.

Just don't look at the projections. I can't not. Yahoo has a vice script around my. balls in fantasy. I will do whatever they tell me. If Patrick Taylor is projected for 11 and Jalen Warren is 7, I simply can't start Warren. We need to

remember for next year. We need a whole thing. We need to figure out how to arbitrage the power of the colors green and red on the human mind. What's like the biggest discrepancy in projected points where you've started the lower projection? Like have you ever started somebody who's projected five less points

than another guy on your team? Like what's the biggest gap you will bring? Not very common, not very often. I don't know if I've ever done five points. I feel like three, maybe. Seven to ten. We should find this range. You know what I mean?

Like if you're looking at a 13 on one receiver and a seven on the other, there's no way you're starting the seven. No way. Because you don't want to sit there and stare at the projection all day long. Yeah. Even it helps your total projected points. That makes you feel good. Dude, this is the anchor.

Makes a man feel good inside. Yeah. It's like the fucking needle on the election. Oh, my God. human psychology is weird other yeah people are dumb other fantasy murderers DK Trey McBride

this one sucks because Trey McBride's awesome he's been great all year obviously he's been so awesome despite not scoring any touchdowns still no receiving touchdowns this year he has 92 fucking catches almost 1,000 yards

is a virgin you know what though receiving touchdowns kind of a silver lining because I'm assuming I mean this was a high scoring game I'm assuming if Trey McBride had a bad day Marvin Harrison

I know where this is going off, right? How did Marvin Harrison take? I remember it one catch. They scored 30 points. I mean, how many yards did you have? 80? 100? Had to be, right? Hold on.

Let me pull it up. Oh, the game went to overtime. I mean, there was plenty of time. So they played five quarters? Yeah. How did he do? Let's see here. How many?

Four catches for 39 yards. Oh, maybe next time. Oh, my God. Oh, James Connor had more receiving yards. and he left the game injured. Michael. Someone named Michael Wilson. An NPC named Michael Wilson had more yards.

All right. Michael Wilson's good. When you said about Jaded and Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels breaks your perception of Caleb Williams. It's kind of like Brian Thomas with the rookies where you're like, you know, you might find something nice about Marvin Harris. And you're like, oh, Brian Thomas, 25 points. Marvin Harris.

That's a good month for Marvin Harris. And you're like, oh, fuck. Took that guy by third pick, what an idiot. What did he finish? Dead last? No, yeah, yeah. He had a good day, though. Cardinals.

We might need to make a rule that we don't, either don't take Cardinals or you have to trade away any of the receivers after like six weeks. That's a good call, yeah. Winners and losers. We mentioned Washington. They're a winner. I mean, Washington, just the vibes.

Beating Eagles is huge for that meeting without hurts. D.K., who else does a winner for you today? I'm torn because the Vikings are clearly a winner. They improve to 13 and 2, which is kind of just wild to say that out loud. like the Vikings this year under Sam Darnold are 13 and 2. Obviously a very good team. Sam Darnold has been an absolute revelation.

And again, it's like so much credit to the coaching from this team. KOC, Kevin O'Connor. Connell? Kevin O'Connell. Kevin O'Connor worked here for years. Kevin O'Connell. Let's just stick with KOC. It's confusing.

Dude, if the Vikings beat the Lions in Week 18, they're going to have like the first round by in the NFC, basically. Yeah. So obviously, they're a big winner. I still kind of like throughout the game, I kept feeling like they're beatable. And the Seahawks actually really were in a position to beat them in this game. There's like, there's something in the back of my mind where the Vikings are still kind of fraudulent. But every you look at you, you went from beatable to fraudulent.

We pick one. Right. Well, the same deal. Like, they're just not that good. And I feel like, even though they've won eight in a row, I feel like that for some reason, I'm just like, I'm still holding back on saying like, you just can't do it. They have less projected points than the Lions. And you're like, I just funny. same, it's kind of that same deal. The Seahawks basically like fuck this game up. They should have won this game. And I think you go back a few games.

I think you're just mad that Seattle lost. So you're like, the Vikings aren't that good. Dude, that's kind of what I think. No, think we owe them an apology. Because we've been saying second tier all year for the NFC for the Vikings.

And I'm like, you know what? Are they really that much worse than the lions? I'm like, you who are beat the shit or the Eagles who Jalen Hertz is concussed. Now I'm kind of like, I think the Vikings are just as likely to make the Super Bowl as any of those teams. I know Darnold is Darnold,

but like whatever. I don't know. Just can't get there. I mean, I could be wrong for sure. I just can't get there. I will say, though, like Donald, if you look at his whole season, very, very impressive. He's averaging the seventh most yards. He has 32 touchdowns, fourth most. I'm sorry, say that again. Sam Donald has 32 touchdowns passes. 32 touchdowns, 11 picks. His 15 turnovers, 17th in the NFL among quarterbacks, perhaps the fatal flaw. But his last six games, 15 touchdowns, one pick. The receiving core is obviously really good. Jefferson and Jordan Addison. now Hawkinson out there making like big time catches. Great. This is a great Zag by DK. Awesome, Zach. You still know. You still got it. I'm not even trying to make a hot take here. I just like, they've won eight in a row.

For some reason, I just can't get there with the Vikings. I just, I'm trying to find a respectful way to say maybe it's because they kind of really, really beat your team today like hours ago. Do you want me to, so if you were, if you weren't watching the game closely, do you want me to run through how the end of the game went? The Seahawks were winning by four points with like,

I don't know, there was like five minutes left, four minutes left. Vikings are driving. Seahawks drop an interception, easy interception right to their linebacker, Ernest Jones. Probably would have been the end of the game right there. The next play, they sack Darnold, they get a face mass penalty. So new set of downs for the Vikings. Next play, touchdown Justin Jefferson. It was like the worst botched job I've ever seen by the Seahawks.

It's like they had it in hand. And then they lost. And again, it's not like I'm saying the Vikings are bad. I'm just like not quite able to say like this is an elite team. If you've watched them last few weeks, they've been kind of, I don't know. They're the most one-win score. To your point, they're the most one-win score games. Sorry, God, I can't speak English.

They have won the most games by one score over the last three seasons. They're just like they're the, they're the jets, but on the lucky side of the coin. They're like, they're much better than the sneaky chiefs. They're the sneaky chiefs where the chiefs are kind of, they're kind of a chiefs vibes. Yeah. But I guess here's my question. because of, I mean, you know, sometimes tone can be insulting.

You kind of, you didn't say Sam Donald's the quarterback. You said, with Sam Darnold, who has 32 touchdowns, is the reason you don't believe in the Vikings, Sam Darnold,

is that you think that the defense is overrated if a quarterback is above a certain, you know, tall enough to ride the rider with the roller coaster. Mainly Darnold. Just Darnold. You know what's funny about that is Sam Darnold has 32 touchdowns

and how many picks? 15. 11. He has 15 turnovers, 15 turnovers. 27. That like one Josh Allen. I mean, that's going to win Josh Allen and MVP.

Baker Mayfield right now has 32 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. And we love Baker. Baker leaves the league in fumbles. I think that's a, that's a, yeah, but I also don't think Baker's going to leave, lead the bucketeers to the super.

But don't you think if. Baker's flip it in it. But if Baker was the quarterback of the Vikings this year and they were 13 and two and it was the exact same stats, I feel like you would feel better. Yeah, but he's cool though. I don't know. His face is good.

Also, like, simultaneously like I'm rooting for Sam Donald. I'm not against Sam Donald. I think it's just the, doubt in the back of my mind. I get it. I have the same doubt with the Steelers, who are my loser of the week, unfortunately. Lost to the Ravens on Saturday. Is the magic wearing off at this Russell Wilson thing?

Or George Pickens is the MVP. That might be the actual answer. Yeah, it was tough. The shine is wearing off. The last three weeks, Russell Wilson is basically a bottom three quarterback in the league by every metric. I hit a terrible pick six, like a Tim Boyle-esque pick six, to basically seal the game, put him down by two scores.

Yeah, things are bad. They're not getting easier. They play the Chiefs and then the Bengals. I think they're going to be a wildcard team. I think what sucks is I think this is always who they were.

They were just overperforming against kind of an easy schedule in the middle of the season. And like I think if they just inched their way to like 10 and 7, we all have said Tomlin did it again. What a stud. But now they're going to like regress back

to 10 and 7 at the end and get into the playoffs and it's going to look like a disappointing season. But I actually think all and all, this is what they were and I'm okay with it. I think you're mostly right. I agree with, especially what you said about they're going to back into 10 and 7, but it'll feel different because it was easy in the beginning and hard at the end.

I think the difference is they look worse than they will against these good teams because Pickens is out. Yeah. And if Pickens returns, I think the offense actually will be much better than it should be for someone of George Pick. Like, again, we're like, we're always like top five. Pickens is not a top five receiver. He's just the top five receiver. Like he receives the football as a top five. But for Russell Wilson, that's really important.

And I do think it kind of changes everything when Calvin Austin's like kind of your best deep guy as opposed to like George Pickens. So I think when Pickens comes back, you will be somewhere between how good you felt and how frustrating this game was today. Also, while we're here, Russell Wilson gave this game away. Like just frankly, like two plays swung almost the entire game where it's like he fumbled at the goal line and then the Ravens went around and scored. Actually, it was kind of like the Indiana Notre Dame game where there was like close to the goal line and then a huge run the other way. and it totally changed everything. And then the pick six at the end, Craig, can you please, how enlightened were you by Tom Brady's explanation of Russell Wilson's pick six on, like, basically, a checkdown?

Did you learn a lot? I wrote down exactly what he said. They showed the replay of this pick six, and this is what Brady says. It's just kind of a slow-mo. Can you just describe the pick for a second just so people understand if you were with your family? Russ rolls out. It's a bootleg. Michael Pruitt, the tight end is like leaking out into the flat. Russ just underthrows it.

Marlon Humphrey picks it off. It's a terrible pass. Takes it for a pick six. This is what Brady says. Bootleg and Russell's exposed and he tries to flip the ball out to Pruitt. And behind him is Humphrey and he is not dropping that. gets pressure from Oway and he knows as soon as he let it go KB. You sounded like a beat poet there for a second. I literally wrote ellipsies in my notes

because that's how Brady spoke. Man. Woman. Died for our sins. And he is not dropping that. Dude, the one that got me was right after that pause. He's like, man,

Russell, you know he wants that one back, KB. And then he pauses again. He's like, oh, Rush, he just wants that one back. Devastating for this team, KB.

Back to you. Back to you, KB. What did you see there, Tom? Bootleg! Humphrey picks it off. Thanks, Tom. That is what literally happened. Yes.

So are we back? Are we two steps forward, one step back? He said he was a little bit better last week. There are moments where he's like, like every now and then, he just says something. And he's like, yeah, right now, you know, the Ravens are, you know, they're in man coverage. Or, you know, Steelers are in man coverage. And he's like, yeah, when you're in man coverage, you're horizontal rounds work really well. So like, that's why they're doing horizontal rounds right now.

And I'm like, yeah, just do that all the time. Just say simple, like, just say, why don't you never say anything like that ever? Also what I noticed, I agree with all that. Like, he just needs to be normal and stop. It's, like, awkward. Describe the play. Like, you've never seen football before. But also, he's got to lower his voice.

Like, now when I watch people like Romo, and everybody makes fun of Romo for doing like the, oh, Jim! But most of the time, Romo's speaking at a normal level. And he's like, I think they should run it up the middle here. Yep, A-N up the middle. Great call. Like, that's how Romo speaks most of the time. And it's really nice.

And Collinsworth kind of speaks at a normal level. I don't know if Brady can't hear himself in the mic or something. It's not like fed back into his ear. But he needs to just lower his voice. He just needs to speak at a normal level. I also think the pauses are actually him disgusted with the football he's watching and he just won't criticize anybody. Like I think that the pauses are rather Russ pick was actually him be like, that was fucking stupid. Can't say that.

What do I say? I think it's somebody, some intern telling him what to say each word into his ear. This is a robot. Oh, my God. All right. Who's your winner, Craig? I think Michael Panix is a huge winner. I know if you look at the box,

if you didn't watch this game, they beat the, they beat the Giants. Congrats High Fitz, number one overall pick. Oh, yeah. They beat them 34 to 7. The game was never close.

And if you didn't watch it, the box score, you'd think, oh, you know, 18 for 27, 200 yards and a pick. Whatever. First of all, the pick was completely not his fault.

That was our beloved Kyle Pitts, volleyball setting the ball to the Giants defender. Kyle Fitz, he was on the goal line. It was in his hands. It should have been a touchdown. And he did,

you know what a firefighter has like a box? a bucket of water and they're like throwing the water onto a heave yeah like or like in the Lord of the rate like they're taking like they're trying to knock out of doors like he like a rugby he rugby he rugby underhand two handed past the ball to the defender

what are those things called the like battering ramp yeah battery ram he's like he threw the ball away so anyway the pick was not his fault I thought he made big throws the entire game he looked totally comfortable he was slinging it he was yeah the velocity on his throws is like noticeably oh he's so much

better. He was super accurate. I thought he looked great. I'm not saying that I'm not trying to compare Pennix to Mahomes, but the, but I am sure, like the stories of how much better Mahomes' passes looked at practice than Alex Smith's passes giving the Chiefs the confidence to play

him. Remind, like, I kept thinking of those stories watching this game, thinking how confident the Falcons must have been, watching Michael Pennix throw footballs next to Kirk Cousins. They're like, this is going to work. Like, it just, it was, and also, the red helmets,

perfect thing for it to come out into. Look great. My dad texted me two and a half quarters into the game and was like, let's trade for Pennix. And I was like, we could have drafted him like six months ago, dude. Well, hey, the next best thing, you could trade for Kirk. Yeah. Also, Thalcas won 34 to 7.

He didn't have to do anything, but I thought Pennix checked every box, frankly. He looked like a pro. He didn't make any mistakes. Every throw was good. Like deep inside, like on digs, like outside the hash. like everything they needed to do, decision-making, like it was all like,

it just checked every box, like immediately right out the gate, game manager with upside, like immediately. Meanwhile, I think Drew Locke had, I'm biased. I think Drew Locke this season's

quietly one of the worst quarterback performances I've ever seen. Like the holistic Drewlock experience, I guess the bottom rung is like Nathan Peterman, Curtis Painter in that 2000, that cult season when they tanked for Andrew Luck. I think Drew Locke's like one notch above that and no higher. It's actually preposterous how often Drew Locke is doing. the dumbest thing possible

at a given moment. That's so weird. I mean, Drew Locke was not that, not that bad. I mean, wasn't he traded to the, to the Seahawks or did they just sign him?

For him, part of the Rush trade, but maybe they just threw him in like, get the fuck out of here. But wasn't it, like, rumored that he would maybe start? Yeah,

the story was they, he, they, CX wanted him to be the starter. Yeah. Teams don't know anything, volume 10. Being the starter. We need a list to compile all the times,

teams did something that worked and they almost did. Like, when the Eagles are like, we'll do have Jalen Hertz and AJ Brown and like it was almost Russell Wilson and Alan Robinson like dodge that guy. But like I that also needs to go in the book.

But yeah, the Giants, so they lost it. I thank God 34 to 7. Love a clean death. There was like at no point where you worried they were going to win. Well at the beginning when Kyle Pitts like took a touchdown and tried to give it back to the Giants, I was like I didn't think I could hate you. Son of a bitch. Yeah.

Son of a bitch. The Giants, I got to tell you, we're so back. We're so back for the Giants getting the first pick. in the draft. I really was worried. And like this day is why, this is why it's hard to tank in the NFL. The Raiders won one game today and they went from the first pick. They're going to end up with like basically the fifth pick if they lose out. There's six

right now, but they'll end up with the fifth pick. And so the Giants now are all alone. And I like that we're like, oh, first pick in the draft, which means they're just, they are now have the worst record in the league all to themselves. They're the only team with two wins, which no one ever says it that way, which I think is funny. They have the worst record of the NFL.

And you know what? I am happy. This is what I feel like I'm, they need to lose out though. To be clear, if they lose out, they will not,

if they win one of these games, they're not going to get the first pick. So they need to lose out. We're really close to this thing I've been talking about for eight years. And, um, which is such a fuck-up thing to say.

Uh, I feel vindicated though by the process. Got to tell you. It was all worth it. I was going to say, it feels super not worth it, man. Who else is back?

Craig. Lions are back. Maybe as vibes wise, Super Bowl front runners. I kind of after hearing Dan Campbell's radio hit and then watching them today and they orchestrated a play where they deliberately fake to fumble to score touchdown. Ben Johnson in his bag.

That was fucking sick. Ben Johnson is a fucking sicko. We should call this. We should call that the Sturring shit up. They got a touchdown out of it. They should call the Stumble Ruski. There you go. That was good. I thought you must have had that big bold letters on the dock. I tweeted it already. Did you see the video later where Jared Goff

was showing Dan Campbell to play? Wait, so just in case... Oh, hell yeah. In case you missed it, apparently what happened was... Nice. So when the Bears played the Packers, Jordan Love bobbled a snap. This is weeks ago. Jordan Love Bobble to Snack.

Jesus, Bobble to snap. And then picked up the ball and got a huge play. And Ben Johnson literally saw that. It was like, we should do that on purpose. And so they faked Jared Gough fumbling the snap. And it worked perfectly. Also, it was exactly the same. Jimir Gibbs dives on the ground.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because golf's under center turns around like he's going to hand it off and, like, fake stumbles. Gibbs jumps on the ground after it and then Leporta was wide open for like a 30-yard touchdown. The thing that I love about the Lions, with all their trick plays and everything that they've done this year, they've done so many of these things.

It's like, I can't even remember now. They have all these tackle eligible plays. They get Penae Soule screen passes out on the edge. You're trying to get yards after catch for their tackles. Yeah. The funny thing about it is they don't have to do this at these situations. Like they were in control of this game. Like, you know what I mean?

But it's still, but it's also like a reminder that we're, we're always going to have like an ace of our sleeve or something and you got to be ready for it maybe. I don't know like what the way. Wait, wait. We didn't talk about this on the show. I don't remember if this was this year or last year, but the first time they threw a pass to Pena Sewell, Dan Campbell was asked why he greenlit the pass and he admitted and he basically, I can't do a Dan Campbell accent, but he was like, yeah, you know, to be honest, I was watching the wave in the crowd and I kind of got mesmerized by how active the wave was. And then I kind of come back in

and on the headset, Ben Johnson's like, can we do it? Dan, is that okay? And I was like, sure. And then they threw the ball like he wasn't listening. And he's like, oh, glad that worked. Like a teacher calling on you in class?

Yes. He was like, oh, I was like, oh, thank God that work. That's great. He just didn't want to seem like he wasn't paying attention to his offensive coordinator. He's like, yep, yep, sure. Anyway, lines are awesome. I saw a stat today.

Jared Gough joins only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning as the only quarterbacks in NFL history to win 13 games in a regular season with two different teams. Nice. Wow. That's pretty impressive. Yeah, he's, like, his career is pretty unique, the way that he's reinvented himself and had, like, two

separate renaissance in his career. One of the all-time comebacks. Yeah. Talk about ripping passes, too. I don't know if he's like John Travolta or something, but just an elite comeback for golf. The thought, so in this game, to be clear, the Eagles lost plus this Lions win plus the Lions in the Catbird seat for the number one seed.

one game lead over the Eagles. Plus, they have a tiebreaker, apparently. They have a 911 record in the conference. Can I just say something? Eagles have a seven and three record, I guess, in the conference. What's up? Catbird seats the single oldest phrase you use. I know.

I don't know exactly what that means. I didn't either. They're in the best position for it. With context, I got that. It just means first place. Catbird. They're like in the position. They're,

they control their own destiny, essentially. What is it? What is that? Is that like the side car and a motorcycle? that sounds like a seat in a like a B-42 or something Cat bird seat It's it's an

idiomatic phrase used to describe an enviable position You have the upper hand or greater advantage Don't know how it came out Literally what it is I don't know I don't know what it is Where did the

It's a short story Catbird seat 1942 short story It derives from the secluded perch On which Gray Catbird makes mocking calls This language is weird as fuck Basically Anyhow

What were we talking about? So here's I think But like Why this game is so crucial Is obviously the Lions are super beat up You know They've talked about it the last week or two That they're probably not their favorites anymore

In the NFC just because they have lost like 13 starters of defense but I don't know, man, like having the NFC playoffs go through Detroit gives them such a huge advantage and like this offense is good enough to I think carry them even if their defense sucks, especially if they're going to be playing at home

all the way through. So I thought today was a pretty big deal for them. Yeah, I mean, overall. I got to finish it out, of course, but yeah. The NFC North is incredible right now. I think the NFC North is up there with some of the better divisions in a while. Like NFC West was really good

like back with the Legion and Boom and stuff. But I'm just thinking, like, if you're looking at the one downside of the Bears, and I think Caleb Williams is playing way better than, I mean, I know I've alluded to this twice, so I'm just going to read this thing I saw in Caleb Williams, which, so I couldn't believe this. Caleb Williams to the Bears, he's now lost nine straight starts in which,

sorry, he's not straight, total. Caleb Williams has lost nine starts in which he threw zero interceptions. Yeah. Which is the most such losses in a single season without throwing a pick, since quarterback starts first started being tracked in 1950. The most losses are to pick on record. It's his rookie year. In fact, Caleb Williams has 326 straight throws

without an interception, which is 100 more throws than the previous longest streak for a rookie and 100 longer throws than any Bears quarterback ever. Like he has the longest interceptionless pass streak in the history of the Bears. He's a rookie. And all that's to say, the only downside of this bear's job is you're going to a division with Dan Campbell and the Lions,

Matt Lafleur and the Packers, and Kevin O'Connell and the Vikings, and you're like, that's three of the best seven-rate coaches in the entire league or in one division. And the other ones, the Raiders got to help you with the cheat. Anyway, so that's what I'm thinking about. It's not just the NFC North right now. It's like, oh, who's going to make the Super Bowl?

Vikings, Lions, Packers. It's like, holy shit. If Ben Johnson's good at that job, that's a crazy division. And if he's bad, Godspeed. Yeah, if anything, you look at a team like Jacksonville and you're like, hey, I mean, I guess what? Yeah. The Texans, the Colts, Titans? Dude, there's a reason the Patriots in part Belichick and Brady dominated in part because those teams sucked.

Like, you do, you need a little luck anyway. So, yeah. Who else is over or back? Well, I got one that's worse. It's so over and we're so back. The Cardinals are collapsing in the second half of the season again, which is a tradition unlike any other at this time of year. So actually, I was looking at this up, and I kind of.

had like forgotten that basically in 2023 and 2022 they were more or less bad all season so that wasn't really a huge factor. I think Kyler's performance fell off in the second half of those seasons in both cases but if you go back to 2021 the Cardinal started 10 and 2, lost five out of their last six games, got trounced

in the wild card round. 2020 started six and three, they lost five of their last seven to finish eight and eight. 2019 started three three and one which is like not super impressive, but at least they're competitive. Then they lost seven out of nine and finished five and ten and one. And this year, they were six and four through ten weeks.

Like this was a pretty good team. We were singing their praises. They were in first place in the division. Yeah, they were in the catbird seat in the NFC West, if you will. But now they've lost four of the last five. They're seven and eight. They're eliminated from the playoffs. Vise are atrocious.

Craig's making fun of Marvin Harrison. Kyler all time low in my confidence in Kyler Murray. I agree. Like, if we want to make this even more narrow, I'm kind of in like, it's so over for Kyler Murray. I don't know. He needs to be in a new team or something. He should be a starting quarterback in the NFL, I think, but I don't know.

It's going to take a lot for me to ever come around on him as like a guy I would want. The quarterback, Geneseecois, the Gravitas or whatever, what have you, the it factor that quarterbacks have, like, Kyler's just like negative right now. The aura, his aura is bad. Kyler Murray being like four inches too short to be a quarterback is kind of the version of an NBA player, like having everything except it's shot. And you're like, yeah, that's kind of like the super most important part, though. And I feel like Kyler has everything you need to be like the greatest quarterback of all time.

He just can't play in structure and he can't play in the pocket. Like he cannot see over his offensive line. Like he's five foot 10. Like, or five foot 10 and a half. Like he's my height. Like he can't. And so like you watch this game. And like he is outside the pocket.

He does the craziest shit I've ever seen. But it is not consistent. And frankly, like it's only going to get worse over time. Like it because the less athletic he is. the more tough this is going to get. This is what we heard all for the first six or seven years of Russell Wilson's careers. Like, oh, you can't survive in the NFL long term

as a out of structure, Houdini type player. And now look at him, making $40 million a year. Yeah, there you go. But I think Wilson has been more the exception to the rule. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I think for the first time, because I've always been a Kyler, like a fan of Kyler's. I think it's the way that he plays is super fun to watch and everything.

But I think I found myself, today, and they lost 36 to 30 to the Panthers in overtime today, by the way. I just find myself, like, being super, I just couldn't trust this. I can't trust them anymore. There was a play, Hifitz, you were talking about it, it was either in the fourth quarter or an overtime, where they got like a first down

and then they ended up punt, they backed up 20 yards. This is this, I mean, I think this is the only real coaching decision of the day that I thought stood out above the rest. The Cardinals, just to be clear, if the Cardinals lost this game, they were out of the playoffs. And in overtime,

the Cardinals went for it on fourth and two from like their 18 yard line. It's like meaning you're, if you don't make this, you're going to give them a 35 yard field goal. Like it's an extra point. To win the game. And if they win the game,

you were out of the playoffs. They went front and fourth and two. And they got it. And I was like, wow, that is some chutzpah. And then they ended up and then saw, you look back up to the TV

and they're punting further back. Yeah. Like what the fuck happened? It's just so demoralizing. The other thing I will say about this game, for two years, DK, you're the vibes king. And you identified

I believe heavily in vibes. Two years that the Cardinals, despite having two wins, had better vibes than the Eagles. I think the Panthers today officially took the Vibes belt from the Cardinals as the bad team with good vibes.

The Panthers are definitely the bad team with good vibes. Ooh, great call. The bad team with good vibes is a really wonderful category. Yeah. Brice out's played well today. It's the BTGV.

And like the Panthers are the BTGV and it's the vibes are incredible in Carolina. I know. I'm trying to think of another team. I think you're right. I think it has to be Carolina. Bruch Young's smiling, like they're winning,

Chuba Hubbard, everyone's happy to get a contract. Like, it's just, it's a, it's just, it's good, Vives for Carolina.

Who has the worst, who has the worst vibes in the NFL right now? It's like the worst good team buys. Oh, Philly. I think, oh yeah,

Jailette Hertz is a cuss now. It's still the Eagles. I kind of feel like the Texans. The Texans are coming for the crown, though. Dude, the Texians today. The vibes are atrocious.

They were all come. I mean, the entire team was crying for like 10 straight minutes when Tankdale went down. Right. Well, that's, yeah. That was tough. Like, not only were they,

yeah. Tankdale was released in the hospital today. So that's good. Yeah. And I mean, I'm sure everyone saw, but it dislocated kneecap, which,

I mean, that's what Teddy Bridgewater did in practice for the Vikings when he, I mean, they thought he was going to lose. Yeah, they like worry about blood flow and everything. Yeah, it's like,

the idea is like it's severed artery or something. So, I mean, that's why I think it was so. This was, that was the most gruesome knee injury. I, honestly, I think I can ever remember.

Like, I think that was harder to watch the Nick Chub last year. That was tough. Yeah, because those are like, oh, that's like awful for your knee. But like the, the, the, I'm not a fucking doctor, but like, I've learned enough about that Bridgewater thing. The Nick Chub thing's awful to watch. The Tank Dell thing, you could die because it's about like internal bleeding and stuff like that. So that's why it was like he went off in an ambulance. That was awful.

And when I said that, to be clear, I wasn't even talking about the Tank Dell thing. I was just talking about basically everything else. but the tank del thing obviously is really, really serious and sad and scary. But just generally speaking, like Stroud, squandering Stroud feels like a crime. Squandering Stroud! Like, remember Stroud was so insanely good last year. What the fuck is going on? Like, what happened?

It's so frustrating. It's a third ten every time you look up. It feels like this Texans team super similar to last year's Texas team. It just forgot. It was just weird that Stratia Stroud was like winning games. It was good. We kind of forgot that it looked really ugly. And we were like, oh, he got them to the playoffs as the number two pick.

That's really hard to do. And that was good enough back in the day. His play was just so much cleaner last year, I felt like, I mean, obviously. Yeah, because it wasn't third and ten every fucking time. And they realized that they're not going to throw the goddamn ball at first down. So now it's everything's third and ten. I will say, though, while we're here in that Texan Chiefs game from Saturday, we're so back.

I'm sorry to report the Kansas City Chiefs are back. Yeah. They look pretty good. They're back. They didn't even have, like, they were just, they continue to win. And then we're like, they're not good. And then they just kept winning and now we're like they're good again. Yep.

They didn't even actually like go on a three game losing streak. They just like kept winning and now like, yeah, okay. They won until we got over. You know why? I mean, they showed a stat during this game that I thought was one of the best stats I've seen in a broadcast in a long time. And they showed and it said that Mahomes had been hit entering this game 11 times in a game three straight weeks.

And that that was 11 hits in a single game for three straight weeks. And they were like that in his, the rest of his career combined. also had three hits. Sorry, got it. That had happened three times in the rest of his career come back. So 11 hits in a game in his first 125 games

happened three times, then it happened in three straight weeks. And you're like, that's the chief season to me in a nutshell. You can't wait if Mahomes getting the shit kicked out of you and that in his sentence is the difference between this chief season

to the other ones. Mahomes is getting his shit rocked. And in this game, everything came together because Hollywood Brown is back, number one. And because it was a shoulder injury and not a leg injury,

he actually looked perfectly fast. Like there was no ramp up like it wasn't a leg injury. He looked fast. And that changed a lot. Xavier Worthy's playing his best football. So then you're like, all the slowness is gone. Hollywood Brown and Worthy, like that's a real offense now. With DeAndre Hopkins and Kelsey, that's a real skill group.

And so that basically with the quick game and all these homes getting the ball out, that buys you really an extra half second because you have Hollywood Brown back. And then you take Joe Tuny at guard, which they haven't wanted to do and put him at left tackle. He's the best left tackle they've had all season. And so now with the blocking, they have another half second on the offensive line. I know that's a little simplistic.

But honestly, that game in a nutshell to me, Mahomes had one extra second on every play. That's enough for the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. Yeah, the receiving core thing is definitely real. It's funny how this was the first week where now I'm like, actually I think this is an above average receiving group. Xavier Worthy, Hollywood, Brown, DeAndre,

Hopkins, Travis, Kelsey? Like, this is more than enough for Mahomes and the Chiefs to win another Super Bowl. kind of a diverse group that can do a little bit of everything. Now I'm like, I actually think they should 100% be back as Super Bowl favorites. You forgot Justin Watson? Right. Who dropped a touchdown?

He did drop a touchdown. My first thought was like, High Fitz. I know. Stop trying to make Justin Watson a thing. Yeah. Xavier Worthy also dropped a touchdown. He had a, he, like midway through the game. I'm not positive.

He's good. Xavier Worthy is like really coming on strong lately, but then he dropped that touchdown. I was like, well, two steps forward, one step back, you know? you're not sure if he's good or not no I'm not I think Xavier Worthy's always going to be closer to like gadget style I don't think he's ever going to be like James and Williams for it like I think he will be more of like a

you manufacture a couple touches to him but that alone is a funny sentence but that alone is funny because James and Williams did not accomplish a fraction of what Xavier Worthy did last week in James Williams first two seasons in the league he didn't do what James and William.

At no point in his first two seasons did he do what Xavier Worthy did this week. That's fine. But when I watch James and Williams, it's like that I've seen enough. I have not even come close to I've seen enough with Xavier Worthy. He makes one dumb play a game still, whether he's like out of bounds. He has no sense of the field.

Well, he's making plays. James, do you think he needs to gamble more on his own and is from his own team facility? I think he needs to eat more. He needs to eat more for one. And yeah, maybe he gamble more too. But yeah, I don't know. D.K., do you disagree?

I don't think Xavier Worthy will ever be a number one. on the receiver on a team. Not in the classic sense of how we think of a number one receiver, no, I don't think so. This is like,

actually, if you guys remember going back to the draft show, this was my contention with him all along is he's not a deep threat. And he's, he's like gotten open

a few times down field, but for whatever reason, Mahomes has missed him, like, atrociously, every time he's tried to throw deep to him, and that goes for all the receivers

on this team, basically. Mahomes has been weirdly terrible on deep throws this year. I think Mahomes these glasses. He needs Lysick. He needs Laisick. Yeah, he has been at,

You know for a while, I actually, so I didn't want to say this like publicly, but in the, because it, I don't know, it's one of those things. If you say, you're wrong, kind of dumb, but first half of the season, I was wondering if it was literally because Kelsey had lost a step. Like, I thought it was so interesting. They had the best mind melded and every ball with Kelsey was, but it was kind of everywhere. And I didn't know what to make of it. But Mahomes has been kind of off on all the deep stuff. It's not just worthy though. I don't know.

It's like he missed, he's missing Kelsey. Like, but I don't know, it's probably because he's, you know, getting the absolute fucking. piss beat out of them every game. His vision is blurry. But Craig, to answer your question, going back to the draft show, like this was my contention with Worthy is like, oh, he's a 4-21 guy

and everyone pictures a speedster Deshaun Jackson down the field, big play threat. I'm like, no, like, to me, he's more of a guy who's really quick and short area. They can use them for screens, end rounds, quick little slant routes,

you know, and get him in space and let him utilize. That was like a lot of what he did. at Texas is just, you know, catch a quick ball and make plays after the catch and everything. And like, that's dangerous in its own way. But I don't know for, and I'm with you,

I'm like, I don't know if he's strong enough number one to be number one. You know, he's got to learn to get off fresh still. He got hurt at one point in the game because the corner pushed him down. I don't know if you guys saw that. Remember the thing in the season where he got pushed down at the latest movie?

Everyone was like, yeah, that's good. But he like in this game, that happened. Like he was like trying to get into a route and a corner like pushed him down. He came up limping. Do you remember that video of Cam Newton?

There's like four guys tried to fight Cam Newton. He was just like throwing them around. That happens to Xavier Worthy one every week. Dude, today, Vita Vaya. I think he's going to be a good player though. I think, I don't know, I agree with you. I think maybe probably not the number one, but I think he'll be a productive good player.

Yeah. Well, yeah, to the worthy thing, a third of their players who are just trying to like with him or just trying to recreate the 40-yard dash. And also to the bigger guy, Vita Valleah, the defense attack of the Bucks, literally caught Kavante Turpin in his grasp. and he's twice the side.

They literally like they noted on the on the broadcast they're like he's literally twice his weight. Like he's 340 versus 150. Like that's the way he threw him was like you remember in disdain. The once upon a time in Hollywood with Brad Pitt throws Bruce what it Bruce Lee into the car. I was like he just threw him into a car. Oh my God.

Okay. I had an intrusive thought watching Debo which is like we should just make a tattoo for next year. Anytime a receiver was. embarrassed. We should play them the next week. No matter what happened. The public shame ranking. Like Cooper Cup had no points in that game, but he wasn't ashamed because they won the game.

Diba was ashamed. Yeah. If a guy like goes public with something, he like complains. Give me the ball. I'm not getting the ball. Midweek and then flops. That's when you buy the dip. Yeah. Any other intrusive thoughts you guys had? I had one that was like not related to anything.

It was just a general football. Those are the best ones. Yeah. So, I don't think there's a single person in the world more overconfident than a defensive back catching an interception in the end zone and thinking they can return it for 100 yards. You'll never find a more overconfident person than that defensive back who like he'll run all the way across the end zone to get to the other side of the end zone for the opportunity to take it out and get tackled to one yard line. Like just fucking take a knee. There's always like two kinds that there's always you did your job. You did a great job. Now, fucking kneel so you can go out and your offense isn't fucking pin to the one yard line.

It's like these guys, this happens like maybe once or twice a year for them. This would be like if somebody was like you get one night with Margot Robbie. Like it's just not, it's over in a blink of an eye. You know what I mean? Like you can't contain yourself. I completely understand it mentally to be like, hey, no, let's be practical here and take a knee. The guy's like, this is never going to happen again. I'm going to run 100 yards and be a hero.

My one shot, my one opportunity. Yeah. Anyway, this was Marte Mapu from the Patriots did this today. He like took the ball out, got tackled literally on like the one inch yard. Like one inch. Oh yeah, the worst possible. He always had two kinds of. His hand came down on like the like the end light essentially.

Or not the defender. The defender who was like blocking with him looked at him. He was like, what did I let you do? Because there's always like two kinds of defenders. One is like that you know the thing is like, oh, a good friend will be out of jail and a great friend's like going to be in jail with you. Those are the defenders blocking for the guy who has the pick. because one of them are kind of like, go down and the other's like, I'm going to fucking die for you to get this out of the

end. They should just have, every offense should have one or two plays in the playbook where it's just all defense that comes out and plays and they block their asses off for each other. You know what I mean? Just like one play. Like the lions will come out next week and just have, I don't even think that's probably legal, but figure out a way to get just like the defensive line on the O line.

Why not? See what happens. You know what? No one ever does. I remember when we were growing up, Ed Reed and Ray Lewis were so incredibly good that whole Ravens defense were unbelievable in the 2000s when they had the ball

like like lateraling it and just turning it into to pick six and no one does that any like no one does that and I guess in retrospect it's just like because they're not all hall of favors yeah that's fine also University of Miami like just

yeah what you're going to tell them what to do but like man that would work I guess no one has the I just implore you defensive backs who make interceptions in the end zone. Just take a knee. You did your job. Any other intrusive thoughts, Greg? I had a couple.

One was football related and one is not. Football one doesn't have to be long and I know we harp on this a lot. And I'm sure Dolphins fans hate us. But I'm sorry, but there are some times when Tua looks like 2015 Peyton Manning. Like there are some throws that legitimately look like 2015 Peyton Manning, noodle arm Peyton is for people who don't know. That was the year he had like nine touchdowns in. 15 picks and then retired.

Won a Super Bowl? Yes. So maybe it'll work out. Maybe it'll work out. But like I, it is, even the announcers were being polite. It was Romo and Nance, I think. And they were like, yeah,

I don't know what happened there. Not a lot of juice on that one. It was like a duck over the middle of the field, untouched. Anyway, cross my mind. I was like, you put a Peyton Manning jersey on there and it looks the same. My second intrusive thought is that, um, those Buster rhymes.

Walmart commercials suck. It's really annoying. And they play it way too often. You know the ones I'm talking about where he like wraps all the Walmart things you can buy for Christmas? Yeah. You know that? I think I've been scrolling on my phone too much.

I don't know. You don't see those on like YouTube TV every time they cuts to a commercial. There's running those things like crazy. I think I know what it sounds like more than I know what it looks like. Oh, man. I'm becoming my mom. My mom has like sensory overload with commercials. It's like loud commercials drive her crazy.

And when I was young, she always be like, like, turn that commercial off because they're always so loud. They're like way louder than they need to be because they're trying to attention. Kids need to listen to the TV at fucking full blast. And commercials are literally louder. Yeah, yeah. It's the worst. There was even a rule that they had to like limit the volume because they were getting too loud.

But I'm becoming so old now. Like you know what my favorite commercial is? Is the Corona Extra Christmas? Oh, that's a great commercial. That's incredible. There's no talking. It's just quiet. It's on the beach like in the tropics.

In Mexico. And it's just that. Palm Tree lights up and it plays the O. Tannenbaum song and it just says, I love it. To me, back, we used to know how to make commercials in this country. And now it's bust the rhymes rapping about whatever the hell you can buy from Walmart. So, you know, I was actually, I looked up that commercial, that, that, um, Corona commercial, because I feel like my whole life, I've seen that thing. It's been around forever. Yeah. And so I looked up the year it came out. And we can do a little, a little Monday preview trivia right now. What year do you think that

Corona Extra commercial Christmas commercial first aired. 2004. 1999. 1990. Get the fuck out. I do feel like I remember it. The reason I like was thinking the 90s, Craig, is because I remember it. It's crazy.

Really fucking grainy. Like, you know how TV back in the day was a square. Not like widescreen. Sure. And it was like super grainy. Yeah. Now it's a rectangle. What was it?

16 by 9 now. Yeah, it was like whatever. It was like a square. Not a square, not a square, but four by three. But it was basically square. Dude, when you watch old games on YouTube, like a game from 1997 doesn't seem like it's that long ago. Like I was in high school in 97.

That's modern times. Maybe not to you guys. But it's so fucking grainy. It's like it looks like you right now, Craig. Dude. For the people that aren't seeing me, Craig to us looks very grainy right now. I was just talking to, I'm in Pittsburgh with Jackie's family and I was just talking to someone in her family, flex.

I was just talking to someone in her family about how hockey was like unwatchable 25 years ago. No one talked about it because no one could follow it. The puck was going. And literally he was like, yeah, I watched hockey about the whole life. I'm not going to lie. I could only really follow the puck like 10 years ago with these fucking HD TVs. It's like 60. It's like it's cool to see where the puck is finally.

Anyway, I know we do no free ads, but I literally am talking about an ad. I'm doing an ad for an ad. They did they work that into madman? Email us at Ring or Fantasy football. Like somehow Don Draper came up with that ad. You know what's the longest running beer ad ever? The Clyde Sales? No, the Corona.

That is? Oh, okay. Specific. Yeah, 34 years. It's crazy. And the genius of it, there's no actors in it. You don't even have to pay anybody. No residuals.

That's how advertising works. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com. If you want to give us trivia on that Corona commercial or something similar. Play of the day, I mean, the Jade and Daniels game winning touchdown. Oh, I think it's the fake fumble, but yeah. The fake fumble. The fake fumble is, yeah, I was kind of counting down, I guess, but I think I wanted to mention that one. The fake fumble is hard to be.

I shot my wad there. Sorry. I was like the Dback in the end zone there. Yeah. This is my one. Marco Robby. I got it. This is my time.

My only question is, is the fake fumble really better than the Joe Burrow horizontal touchdown throw to T. Higgins? It is better, but that was also cool. Is it better? Because like Joe Burrow kind of threw a touchdown pass while he, like, literally T. Higgins was like, he's known Joe Burrow bought the bat. deal. T. Higgins was like, fuck Batman. That motherfucker's Superman. Yeah, dude. T. Higgins loves Joe Burrow. Yeah.

I hope he doesn't get. I hope they resign him. Me too. I kind of think the, I think the fumble, no, the stumble rusky was cooler. I've never seen that before. Yeah. We've seen guys falling and making a throw. Very impressive. Also, in real time. I've ever seen my entire life was similar to Joe Burroughs throw today. Yes. Also, Will Levis did that like 10 weeks ago. Sure, it didn't work out, but. The other team caught it and then made a touchdown. He was caught.

Burrow could run. I don't really listen to his music, but I respect that he's making it. Yeah. Wait, more importantly, though, Joe Burrow, we did talk about how Joe Burrow bought his offensive line katanas. Yeah. Oh, my God. He bought a bunch of katanas and then he had, it was like a fucking in Harry Potter

when they get to, like, the wand chooses you. He had to go in and like everyone got to choose their own katanas. dude so i thought this quote was fake at first it's real orlando orlando brown is a tackle on the bagel said joe does a great job of buying gifts that are extremely meaningful the fact that he bought me a sword it's the most ancient form of respect the most ancient form of is to buy someone a sword uh is this like is this like joe burrow being like yeah try and come rob my house motherfucker now like we all got swords i i might It might have been a fake account, so forgive me if I'm wrong.

But I saw a tweet that said that they all wanted guns and then he got them swords instead. I'm sure that's fake. Though it is. Thread the needle. If you really don't want to rob someone, get a gun. There was a, somebody asked Jonathan Gannon, the head coach of the Cardinals. I don't remember exactly what the question was. It was like, did you see Joe Ferrell got katana?

Yeah. Did you think that was a cool thing to do? He's like, no, because I'm not a samurai. Fair. Or it's like, would you want a sword? He's like, no, because I'm not a samurai. I mean, it's fair. I want a fucking katana. I'm going to get you guys.

Getting someone a katana is like, like if Michael Scott was super rich, that's what he would buy. Everyone in the office. Fucking katana. It's truly, fuck you money. It is like... It's like hypothetical scenario. And I think they were like old swords. They were like not brand new katas like made on a production line.

They're like old school swords. And what's cool is every other quarterback now, it's like almost becoming so commercialized that it sucks where like it's clearly all branding exercises. Yeah, Mahomes is getting like Oakley's and like, yeah, the Yeti Coolers. Oh, Bert Pertie bought all his teammates Toyota's, which she surely for sure cannot afford it. I was going to ask you about this. They had to make like a commercial for it essentially. Yeah, well, because that's a spawncon.

all the labels are facing out on all the Mahomes things here's the thing with that so he bought 10 10 trucks for 10 offensive linemen I think it was a oh I forget what the exact trucks oh no I'm gonna look it up because Toyota Tundras yeah it was five Tundras and then he also bought wait I may or not have written exactly

while you're looking for it I once won a Toyota Tundra it was five oh wait oh you want a tundra that was the one actually I don't know my visit Tacoma I can't remember the people who are listening and don't know Craig had a half court shot when he was in college at San Diego State for a pickup truck and then they fucking shived him on the pickup truck. They told him he was a lease.

They gave me a fucking two year lease. When he was in college. I was like, I don't need that. It's a walkable campus. The funny part of the story is someone was talking about it on Twitter and George Kittle like responded to it with

you know the Pablo Escobar meme where he's just like really lonely and sad in his pool. Kittles got no check. Kittles like, what the fuck? I didn't get one. 15 million a year. Get the fuck out of here. I know.

But the basemat. Purdy makes 900k a year. And I know he gets more endorsements. But like the salary after taxes, he got half a million. Dude, it's like, yeah,

500. 10 trucks. I'm sure the trucks, you know, I think they're all like 50K trucks. Tunders are like 60, 70 grand at least. And I'm sure they're top of a lot.

They got leather seats. Yeah, those things are 80 grand. They got 80 grand. Like, yeah, like I assume they're all donated for free. So on one hand,

it's sick they got trucks and that's cool. On the other hand, the cool quarterbacks get to subsidize the gifts for free from like here, hey, here's everyone gets a 80 grand truck. And then the quarterbacks who aren't cooler famous are just like, actually got to pay for it. If I got you guys gifts as my co-hosts and podcast friends, something that was like just a sponsored content thing, like I don't know, like a Sona speaker. And I gave that to you guys as a quote unquote gift. Would you guys kind of side eye me like, okay, well, this is cool, but also you didn't buy me this.

I would love that, D.K., and anyone listening who is considering potential opportunities for Christmas gifts to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, that would bring me the most heartfelt warmth of all. I think you guys were, too. We were sent Sonos moves like five years ago, and I still have it, and it's amazing. It's an incredible. It is a great product. It's the best.

If anyone from Sonos wants us to talk about Sonos, please send us Sonos, we'll talk about it again. DK. I'll make a video giving you guys gifts. DK, I would be okay with it if you got me a sponsored gift like a Sono speaker because you don't make $45 million a year. That's fair. If you made $45 million a year and you were like, hey, I got you these Bose headphones, they were sponsored. I'd be like, well. Who's the main katana company anyway?

Yeah. Big katana's out here. Yeah, big katana. Yeah. How do you even like go about finding a katana? Also, it's funny because like some, I'm sure like ancient like, you know, Japanese company that makes these katanas is certainly shipping them to Cincinnati for the first time ever.

Like, you know what I mean? Big market. I'm sure that's never happened. Okay. Worst play of the day. Kyler had a terrible interception at the end of that Panthers game. Brutal, brutal. Everything Drew Locke did was bad. Kyle Pitts hot potato.

The Kyle Pitts' heave. The Kyle Pitts thing was like Mark Andrews-esque. I won't forget that for a long time. I think Mark Andrews passed the torch to Kyle Pitts. It's only fitting that Kyle Pitts owns this category. But I kind of think the worst play was the Devanti Smith drop. That's tough. Really, the Eagles lost. Oh, that was brutal. Yeah. I allowed myself to believe for a minute in my heart of hearts deep down somewhere, Craig. And this is to my everlasting shame. I'll take this to my grave. I allowed myself to have some hope that Michael Panics would make Kyle Pitts good again. And then this happened. And I don't know what to do. Nothing can do that. There is no power strong enough. I have an idea for next year. This is going to be a little, this is the most intense idea I've ever.

it out that I kind of think we should do. You know the, you know the Da Vinci Code, the guy who whips himself? Yeah. Self-flagellation. I think we should get, like, a real version of that. And every time one of us believes in Kyle Pitts, you should have to, like, hit yourself with that thing. It's whip myself naked and literally, like, rip the shit out of my back?

Just once. But, like, if you believe in Kyle Pitts genuinely and you recommend him, you have to do that to yourself one time. I mean, that would be a good motivating factor for me. You have to lash yourself once. That is the most extreme. thing you've ever I just like

that should be the price of recommending you have to cut off a finger with a katana yeah it's like banshees of an assuring like every week I start Kyle Bits I'll cut another finger off

yeah great movie Arthur Smith coach award pissed you off I mentioned Jonathan Gann I can't believe he went from fourth and two and then they lost anyway

but not because of that worst referee moment I there were some I mostly just curious do you guys think that the chiefs get too many calls because my take is basically that people are tired of the Chiefs

and people hate refs and the Chiefs are in primetime a lot so people think the rest help the Chiefs. It's better. It's better. It's happening where it's like, oh,

the Chiefs get all the calls. You hear that one time and then now you're like, oh, now you notice it. Yeah. It's also statistically incorrect. Like if you go,

if you look at like the penalties that the Chiefs get versus their opponents, it's actually in the other direction. The Chiefs get less calls than their opponents on average. Yeah, and it's like,

oh, there's a lot of calls in homes. I'm like, yeah, he's really fucking good. like he makes a lot of good decisions they're really well coached and then also sometimes like oh they don't call anything I'm like Juan Taylor that guy never lines up right

was the most penalized offensive linemen last season in like 20 years yeah so I don't know like yeah there's some moments it's like there's a lot of moments that are watched by a lot of people in the cheese Lucille Bluthy I don't understand the stat line and I won't respond to it award

I would like to shout out the college football playoff where the games this weekend were awful I will personally not delve into all the what I think I think it's very funny to be an NFL fan and kind of like participate in the college season but like I don't have a dog in the fight and watch all the conference fans yell at each other and all the SEC fans scream like this is why we didn't let any

this is why we shouldn't have Indiana and then it's like politics it is like politics crazy to watch and like all the SEC fans like this is why Bama should have been in and then Tennessee gets the fucking shit kicked out of them and they're like oh it's just really awkward however all four games, a few games had crazy stats.

Starting with, I will give myself credit. I came up with this one, and I was very proud of this. Notre Dame, so they beat Indiana 2717. Indiana has not won at Notre Dame since 1898.

Unfathomable. Red Dead Red Dead Redemption 2 takes place in 1899. Who was on that team? Who was on that 98 Indiana team? Oh, I didn't show. We should check. fucking looking up. What are you doing?

Oh, that's such a mistake by me. Do this live. 1898. It's because it was Friday and I was drunk. 1898 Indiana Hooshoe football team. Oh my God. The surgeons. They did a roster.

Somebody, I feel like somebody tweeted at me. It was like the doctor's insurgents or something like that. Dude, it probably was the doctor's insurgents. 1898 Indiana Hoosiers football team. The first thing that comes up right is the Spanish American War. Is Indiana volunteers for the Spanish. They won that game at Notre Dame 11 to 5

Big win 11 to 5 The spread was a half A point I'm sure The captain of the team was Bill Eutzler Yeah Old Bill

It's a Bill and Red Dead Redemption too as well Dude it's actually hard to find these guys' names Probably didn't have birth certificates Yeah They were like Why we need to write anyone else's name but the captain down. So do you know how like if someone's born in like 1899, you're kind of like, holy fuck,

they're from the 1800s? Do you guys realize that like the way we will really be remembered, even though Craig and I are like, you know, 94, 95? Yeah. We will forever be remembered as like, we're from the previous millennium. Yeah. Jackie is a co-worker who's younger than us who called, who called me Danny from the 1900s. It's so true.

That's how I'll be remembered. When it's like 2062, the 1900s. My grandchildren are going to be like, ew, Grandpa was born in the 1900s. 1999. Oh, my God. That's, DK,

we're going to be remembered exactly the same, which is not from the 2000s. Yeah. Nice. Unlike Kai. Was Kai born in 2000 or 99? Nah, he's right there with us. He's fucked his 99.

Fuck yeah. 1900s. Eat shit, Kai. And if you're listening, you think of exaggerating, when we talk about Indiana in 1890 and 1899 versus 1894, does that mean anything to you? No, of course not.

the same fucking thing. 80-90 something. He'd Arbys. Who cares? Exactly. All right. We'll be dead. Who fucking cares?

Two tight ends who outskirt Kyle Pitts and a lie. Oh God. We're back. Brandon Judd. What did Kyle Pitts are like 1.7 points?

One catch for seven yards stay from Kyle. Nice. One point two points. Awesome. One point two. Brandon Judd. Brandon Judd? Payne Durham.

Pain? Pain. Pain to hurt. Tucker Fisk Oh Brandon Judd I've never heard of that person I've never heard of Brandon Judd either

Is that someone from Red Dead Red Dead redemption Probably I should have done that No he's Trump's nominee To be ambassador to Chile Chile Okay Some fucking guy named Brandon Judd

I will say though If Kyle Pitts was the fourth pick In the draft was on the Chargers He would have been the fourth highest scoring Tide end for the charges this week Wow God damn it Kyle Pitts

I'll score by three different tight ends of the treasure. Stone smart. Stone smart's got juice. I kind of like Stone Smart. Yeah. He's been really good ever since I said I would never take him in waivers. I know. This really,

truly does have a gift. Jerry Judy, I said I was like, I was like, I've done on him for his career. And then Jerry Judy became the number of receiver. It's just the things that you have extreme conviction on. It's true.

That's the core of the Costanza. It's the point is that every fiber of my being says Jerry Judy's done. Then you should get him. And then I'm like, Jerry Judy's good. Done it. By the way, Jerry Judy,

what did he do today? Jack shit. Imagine if I told you that Stone's smart. Imagine if in August I told you that Stone's smart in weeks 14, 15, and 16

would have more receiving yards than Marvin Harrison, Jr. Because that's what happened. Ugh. This is the dumbest fucking thing we did. I don't know. I like want,

like part of my, part of me wants to be mad at you, Craig, for this Marvin Harrison slander, but also this is an all time it was an all time bad draft year for

can't miss prospects Caleb I know might still be good but like Kalin and Marvin Harrison both kind of being mid generational professional process

Kyle Pitts every other guy drafted was good we're gonna talk about this in the draft show dude generational prospects hit to it

a few times Maxx who you want yeah max dude you're right they're more like coin flips they max two to three

every generational prospects at like like like the hits rate the hit rate's fine on the generational guys

it's okay you don't This is why I'm a nihilus. Nothing fucking matters. There's actually no difference between good and bad. There's no difference. You imbecile. Marvin Harrison is really taking that to the next level.

Yeah, Bejohn Robinson's so sick. Anyway, Buckierving, better football player, but that's a conversation for another day. No, come on. No, of course not. No, that's not true. Burn book, what do you guys have? I got one. So we did we, we did burn, I have here written down we burned Amari Cooper Cup last

correct. Is that okay? So we burned Cooper Cup and Amari Cooper. Okay. Who do you have? A bari Cooper Cup. That's fine. I have Najee Harris.

I had him on the short list as well. He was great all year. You definitely started him last week in the playoffs if you were in and probably again this week because you expected a bounce back. He had four points today. He had two points last week. Two. I'm fine with it. Who do you got?

So I don't think this person is the person, but I wanted to flag Dianjew Swift doesn't hit like double digits and like since week 11. since week 11. But someone threw this out, and I can't get out of my head. I kind of think we should burn Kyler. And it's because it's actually not because Kyler did bad in fantasy, but because he has been unable to throw Trey McBride at touchdown, even though Trey McBride is like clearly one of the four best tight ends in the NFL. And he also, I kind of think it's his fault from Morrison, Jr.

And so we can't burn the Cardinals entirely. Maybe we should. Imagine what Harrison would be doing if James was their quarterback? back. That's kind of my thing. My God. Like, so we only have, do we have, we also already burned DeAndre Swift Typhins in week three. Oh, fuck.

I'm trying to see how many, do we have any guys, do we have guys where, two guys from one team? Could we burn Kyle Pitts again? Oh, we have Stroud and Dell are burned. That's same team. I kind of think, I think, yeah, I think, same team. No, we, oh, you burned Marvin Harrison Jr. two weeks ago. We did. Week 13.

DJ Moore, Debo, Waddle. I kind of think we could also burn, I mean, oh no, we burned Debo too. You know what? We're consistent. I mean, I will burn Marvin Harrison Jr. again. Kyler, I don't know. He played well.

He had like 21 points. Maybe we burned Najee. Because like we did burn Marvin Harrison Jr. We can't burn Trey McBride. Naji is the worst situation because he's been like pretty good all year. Yeah, you have to play. Has one game, bad game, you know, last week. And you're probably like whatever aberration.

I'll stay confident and then he screws you again. Do we burn Brian Robinson? That's another good one. That's tough. How many points do you have today? Oh, 1.1. He didn't have points plural. He had 1.1.

Is 1.1 plural? Wow. That's a good question. I feel like no. It's not singular. It has to be plural. If I handed you 1.1 bananas, it's multiple bananas. But is it, though, is pasta salad pasta?

Yeah. Why? I give you one full banana and then a sliver, one tenth of another banana. I can't explain why this is where my brain went. But if POS. 1.1 is plural. If D.K. says pasta salad is not pasta. That's not plural.

And those things are related. I don't know why. Craig, I don't know what a point one of a banana just didn't hit for me. It's 10% of a banana. It's like, no, it's like a banana slice. But you're like, I gave you multiple bananas. It just doesn't work for me. Well, do you?

have one banana or more than one banana? I'm just saying it. In terms of like really poignant or like effective examples, it wasn't up there. This is where I would actually pull up the actual definition. It wasn't like the worst. It just wasn't the best. It is statistically insignificant portion of banana. I feel like the only thing that can be singular is one.

You guys want to know one of my worst takes? Yes. I, of course. I think banana flavored things are great. Well, you know, that's weird with the banana-flavored thing. Lafie-Taffy-favored banana is actually, that's how like some old extinct form of banana tasted that we don't have anymore. Yeah, now bananas are all clones. But I more mean, like, I think banana.

Like, will you have like a banana flavor drink? No, that's it. No, that's like. Banana ice cream is fantastic in a treat in the summer. Banana ice cream. Yeah, I know. Everybody hates it. Not into that.

Banana pudding? Love it. I like banana. bread a lot. Banana cream pie, fantastic. Yeah. There's like a bar until that has a banana old fashioned and I was like that sounds not good. I don't want to drink this. My brother

ordered that for me once. He got like some banana whiskey and it was terrible. Like I will not be eating that or drinking. I also think like 80% of fancy cocktails suck. Yeah. Stick to the classics. Give me a fucking beer. Yeah. I don't agree with that. They're out of control. I don't, I don't just like give me a normal. old-fashioned. It was created that way for a reason. I don't want like chocolate syrup in it and some

lavender sprig on top. I don't need any of that. Well, there's a whole elaborate thing where they have to convince you to pay like $18 or $14 depending where you live like for a drink. And they're like, well, God, I think you guys are just not going to the right places maybe. Well, no, do you do. Just drink it. I just drink it neat, baby. Yeah. I like a good cocktail. That's what I'm done with cocktails, man. Hyfitz, you're like a martini man I am. There's nothing better

and you know why because a martini is two ingredients and it is simple and honestly I hate when they have a fancy martini that's like other shit in it I'm like I just want a vodka martini dirty yeah

nothing hits like the first sip of a dirty martini oh that's the best feeling in the world I don't think I ever have it I feel like I'm in the nexus of the universe you've never had a martini DK I don't think so oh well we should get one

and when we go to New Orleans we'll get a martini for you okay I've always thought we should forget some kind of contest where we don't have equal wins. Like, it's like something where if I win, like you guys buy my martini, but if D.K. loses, we buy him a martini, something like, you know what I mean? Like, we need to figure that out. Oh, I see.

Yeah, that's fun. All right. Should we end the show? Martini is easily my favorite cocktail now. I like old fashions. It happens. Those are good, too. But yeah.

Did we burn some one? Uh, Naji? Oh, yeah. Okay. Nogia Harris. You're in the burn book. We're just talking about drinks now. Banana martini, amazing.

Dude, Christmas. All right. I actually, now that we're here. Christmas Eve is like all-time martini night. Christmas Eve is the top five martini night. Maybe top ten. Do you make them at home or do you only like to get them at restaurants? Because I don't really make them at home.

I don't drink at home anymore. It's a work here too much. But Christmas Eve, where are you getting at that? Oh, well, I mean, at home, yeah. Okay. Sorry, I thought you meant generally. Like, by yourself, that's fine. You're not making a martini.

Yeah, no, okay. I'm not making myself a martini on a Wednesday. But I meant like, well, when you like a drink. You're making yourself a martini on a Wednesday. But when you like a drink, people buy you the stuff. And then you like, And then three years later, you're like, I have a lot of this stuff. I know.

I have so much hard alcohol in my apartment that I'll just never use. I know. And I'm like, it never goes bad. I can't throw it away. He's picking up space. It's a good problem to have. Yeah. All right.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Austin. Thank you. Everyone for listening. Good luck in your fantasy. We will have our Monday episode.

We will have Power Hour. We will not have the Friday episode this week. We'll be coming to you again three episodes next week as well. Happy holidays, Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. Happy Kwanza. Happy, everything. Get to wherever you going safely.

Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you. The Black Keys. Oh, hell yeah. Black Keys are awesome. Nice. You nailed that one.

Thank you. One time they, when I was in college, they played at San Diego State in the basketball arena, and I just sat outside and listened to it. They wouldn't let you back in after you won that trip. I just like didn't get tickets,

forgot. And I was like, it was loud enough. I could just be right outside the doors. That's the truck. Guy. That's how I'm sad, Craig. I wasn't alone.

Well, that's how I pictured it. Me and 1.1 bananas. How well, did you think? How well could you hear? Like, pretty well. You can get, like, right up to it. Because it's on campus. So you can, like, it's not like in the city or something.

You can, like, literally walk up to the doors. What's the, what's like the most, um, famous song that they have. The gold on the ceiling song is big, right? Gold on the ceiling. Oh, and then the other one. Lonely girl, lonely boy?

Lonely boy. Right? Or is that the same song? Oh yeah, Lonely boy's number one spot of... Wow, all the ones I know are not any of the top five. Oh, that's the... I got a love that keeps me waiting. I got a love that keeps me waiting. Oh, uh-oh. They're great.

great sound. You know how we had that thing of like Solac didn't know the Beatles like the beat was in the Beatles? And I was like yeah, everyone knew that. Whoa. My version for that. You mean that Beatles is a pun? Yeah. I never thought of it.

You know what? Because I think I learned how to spell the word Beatles for the band before I learned what a fucking beat was to be honest. I think that's right. I didn't know the names of the Beatles. No, he didn't know who was in the band. He didn't know like Ringo Star and stuff. We called him Brigo. Paul McCartney area.

Star. I maintain that the Beatles is a dumb name. And if I came to you guys today, if the Beatles never existed and I was like, I have an idea for a band name. Beatles, but it's B-E-A-T. You think that was lame.

It's like it's something I would get out. And you guys would shoot down. But the Black Keys is the Black Keys on a piano. The Beatles sounds like an Acapella group name. Oh, that's pretty cutting. You know what I mean? So wait, hyphids. Are you saying the Black Geese is a bad name?

No, I'm saying. I didn't know that to like four. years ago. Oh, right, right. Oh, it's referencing the black keys on a piano. Yeah. Well, the reason I thought of the, I was just randomly thinking about we have like a keyboard that like one of those electronic keyboards and Calvin was playing it the other day and I was like just playing the black keys while he was playing the other keys. And we were like doing stuff and it was like, and then I was like, oh yeah, that's what they named it after. Dude, okay, another realization. I learned over Thanksgiving. I was at my relative's house and I got taught a new card game called Back Alley Bridge and it's super fun game. It was a blast. It's like an old war card game from like World War II. And in the game, there's every round you basically, there's a suit where it's more important, this suit, whatever. And it's called the Trump suit. And I realized like halfway through the game. Trump card.

Yes, you're a Trump card. And it's like the best card. You win if you have the highest Trump card. And it kind of just dawned on me. I was like, wow. Dude, where things are from? Dude, I was doing this podcast the other day. And this old guy said, catbird seat.

This old guy. old fart this old guy he was just a old fashions deep on a Wednesday couldn't shut up about catbirds oh man all right

we didn't we didn't get to what a cat bird is that another day no one knows no yeah it's uh scholars maintain email us to bring your fantasy football email email some trivia about cat birds fantasy courts all right goodbye everyone

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