The Ringer NFL Show - Week 17 Recap: Purdy-Caleb Magic, Maye MVP Hype, Classic Steelers L, Playoff Murderers, and Fish Brosmer

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

The guys recap all the NFL Week 17 action, from the Bears–Niners shootout and Caleb Williams’ breakout to Brock Purdy’s sneaky dominance. They also cover Jacksonville’s rise, the Giants’ self-sabotage, the Steelers’ meltdown, Derrick Henry obliterating fantasy matchups, and the general madness of this season. (00:00) Intro (03:20) ‘Sunday Night Football’: Bears-49ers (19:54) Jaguars-Colts (29:36) Steelers-Browns (38:17) Oppenheimer Award (01:01:22) Fart or Shart? (01:15:34) Intrusive Thoughts (01:36:48) Play of the Day (01:40:07) Lucille Bluthe Award (01:40:36) Emails (01:45:21) Burn Book Discord link: https://discord.gg/Ge8bbYHrau Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Cameron Dinwiddie Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dana Hypertons, and I'm joined by Danny, Kelly, and Craig Boroughke. We are going for all the games from Week 17, a K.K., the fantasy football finals. We have a lot going on. We have an awesome Bears, 49ers game. We have, you know, the Giants kind of blew it again,

and then D.K. is never going to forgive Derek Henry, literally ever, will you, D.K. I will not ever again. No, actually, I will never forgive the Packers defense in particular. Ruined your Christmas. I hate the Packers. Fantasy coal in your stocking. Playoffers.

scenarios, the teams making the playoffs, the spots are actually mostly filled. So we have the divisions here. The Eagles won the NFC East. I think they're the first repeat winner for the end of season 20 years. The Bears have won the NFC North. All these clinch, all these division clinches happen from other teams winning. It was kind of interclimactic for the divisions themselves. So the NFC West, because the Niners beat the Bears, the Seahawks' Niners game next week is kind of just like a division title game, which is pretty cool for the NFC West. One seat is involved there too. And then the NFC South, Panthers, bucks, kind of, most. mostly is for the division, depending on how the Falcons Rams game goes.

AFC, Patriots won the AFC East. The Broncos won the AFC West. AFC South is Jaggars are probably going to win unless the Jaguars lose and the Texans win, in which case the Texans win. And then there's the AFC North where, you know, Craig, Steelers Ravens for the division, week 18, wouldn't have it any other way. That's right. I knew it was going to come down to this.

I've been predicting this all season. I didn't know it was going to be this way we got there. but that's what's fun about the Steelers. They keep things interesting. I feel like I'm in a horror film. And I, Final destination. I think I,

I finally thought I was safe. And that was naive of me. And I realized that I closed the door and the, the slasher was standing right behind me the whole time. And it was the Cleveland breaths. We're bad. Shador ain't hard to find. Okay.

We're going to go over all those games and more. But first, we're going to take a quick break. And then there's going to be like Fish Brosmer. Fish the band is here. Yep. we don't really know what they do or what their deal is or how long they'll play. You don't know what the vibe is, really.

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All right, we're going to get into all the games from week 17, but we have to start with Sunday to football. The Niners just beat the Bears, 42 to 38. There's a lot to get into, but we have to start with the quarterbacks. I mean, Brock Purdy, Caleb Williams, D.K., I think that was one of the better games, both of them have ever played. Yeah, I mean, I think certainly for Caleb, that was one of the high marks. I mean, he made some incredible, incredible plays.

A couple of, like, ludicrous throws. for touchdowns. And I think Brock Purdy just cemented himself as the sneakiest little shit and all the land. Just absolutely. I mean, some of the plays he pulls out of his ass are just electric. It's crazy. I don't know how he does it. There was one play in particular where he alluded like three or four defenders,

step back and then right before stepping over the line of scrimmage through a touchdown to Cal Ushed. Very Mahomesian. Yeah. It was like, God, dude. Like, I can't imagine a more frustrating play as a defender. Like that was the pinnacle of frustration for for any defense of all time. So, you know, very, very impressed, obviously, with Purdy.

He was awesome. And then Caleb, I thought, was really good as well. And I know Craig was talking about kind of the relationship between Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams and what we're going to get over the next few years. And that was just exciting to think about as well. Yeah, it's just, I feel like things are, aside from the Bears record, which is really good and they've done so well in close games, like, I just think things have gone really well already between Caleb and Ben Johnson.

And it took like a month. And I remember we argue. like every week for a month about what if Caleb was good or not. And then we eventually all decided like let's just give it like eight, nine weeks and then we'll figure it out and then we'll revisit it. And I just think like Caleb is going to be fucking awesome. And he is already doing stuff that is so, so impressive that like five quarterbacks in the league can do.

Like to me with what clearly Ben Johnson is a good coach and is a guru as a play caller and all of the, like, his method with Caleb in the offseason, I'm like, I'm just going to throw everything at him. He would like, Collinsworth was talking about how over the summer, he would like call plays really quickly. And then Caleb would ask for him to repeat the play. And Ben Johnson would not repeat the play. So Caleb would just have to like figure it out on his own.

And they kind of threw everything at him. And then over time, he would eventually pick it up. I don't know. To me, this seems like we're headed down a road here with Chicago, where it's like what Detroit was the last two years. But instead of Jared Gough, it's like, closer to Aaron Rogers or Patrick Mahomes on the team. And if that is what the bears are going to be over the next two or three years,

like I think they're going to assume. I mean, yeah, I was going to say the legit range of outcomes, like, realistic range of outcomes is you start to see Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson have the type of relationship you've seen from like some of the all-time best pairings of coach and quarterback. And that's, this is exactly why it's so, so important to pair a young quarterback with an offensive guru as head coach, not just OC, because they could be together for the long right here. They could be like read in my homes. I mean, not, obviously not Super Bowls, but like in terms

of just play calling and making it work together. And like to me, Caleb has no limitations. I mean, certainly physically. And like that's what's so crazy is like, you know, half these times, a lot of these guru play callers like Kyle Shanahan has to make it work with Jimmy Garapolo, Brock Purdy, who's really good. But like when you can actually get that type, that, you know, S tier play caller with the S tier physical talent and you can like break him in and make it work and Caleb is working with Ben Johnson. Like, to me, it does seem like what we've already seen out of that Detroit offense that seemed unstoppable with Goff who can't move?

I'm like, what if instead of Goff, it's Aaron Rogers? And what can that offense look like? So I do think the sky is the limit. And this is just the beginning for Chicago. I was incredibly impressed with what Caleb did tonight. Yeah, I mean, I still feel like Caleb Williams. I don't think the Aaron Rogers thing is hyperbole. Like, if you go watch 2008, 2008, 2009, Aaron Rogers, it looked like Caleb Williams did tonight.

I mean, the crazy casual, the way he just, he kind of just flicked a pass to, uh, Luther burden for the first touchdown, the bear, I guess second because they had the pick six of purdy to start the game, which is incredible, really kept the minute. But then he had a free play kind of like Aaron Rogers did where he got the free play off sides and then just threw a, just a beautiful pass to Colson Loveland over the middle. And then honestly, the best play, the best throw I thought Caleb had all night was he just had this laser to Colston Lovel in the fourth quarter that I don't know if the thing ever was higher than like eight feet off the ground for like 30 yards. That was amazing. But overall, I mean,

that is what Aaron Rogers looks like sometimes. And I know that people say it's hyperbole, but Caleb based his game on Aaron Rogers. Like we were at the combine. We were at Caleb Williams press conference at the combine. And they was like, hey, how do you feel about being a smaller quarterback? And he scoffed. And he was like, I'm Aaron Rogers his size. And you watch it tonight. But I mean, this game was overall. This game was pretty crazy. So this was, so again, the night, the Bears lost, but because of a play Caleb couldn't make at the end of the game, which, I mean, the play kind of broke down pretty quickly. There was a lot going on there.

But we could get to the clock management there at the end. But this game overall, only game since 1970 were both teams scored 21 points in the first 18 minutes of the game. That's kind of ideal football for me. That is actually what I want. It was, I mean, these defenses suck. We can't state it enough. I mean, this was also Ben Johnson and Kyle Shanahan, who are in the S-tier play calling right now, along with Josh McDaniels and Sean McVe. These are the best of the best play callers just shredding two defenses that, frankly, are just down.

to the dregs. I mean, the bears have very little in the front seven at this point between the linebackers. They didn't have a great deal on to start. And then the Niners obviously are down between free agency and injuries like 10 of the 15 people they'd prefer to have on the field. And you saw that today of just like the microscopes. There's six or there's like six players in each defense that were getting targeted tonight. But the result was the Niners are the most yards for the team in a first half since 1998 for the Niners. Christian McAfree, the second most yards in the first half of his career. And then Mike to Rieckers are this was an eye-opening stat.

Sometimes these stats they pull out are stupid. Mike Tariko said this was the first regular season game ever on record where the game was tied at 7, 14, 21, 28, and 35. Which sums it up, to be totally honest. Like basically like a simulation. Yeah, it did feel like a simulation. Simulating a Madden game, yeah. But, D.K., I think that Caleb Williams, we can't say enough about him,

but we have to talk about Brock Purdy. The Niners won this game. And the truth is without the pick six that Purdy had at the beginning, which I don't think was entirely really on him. I mean, Purdy played unbelievable from 10 seconds into the game on. Yeah, he was incredible. I was extremely, extremely impressive Purdy. I mean, I've said it for a really long time, like, but the sneaky little shit stuff. There was a play early in the game where it was both pretty being very explosively fast.

And somebody pointed this out on my on my Twitter feed today that Purdy's, like 10 yard split was one of the high like one of the fastest 10 yards splits of any quarter it was like one 10th of a second or one hundredth of a second off of Lamar's like he's he is a he is a sneaky little shit I don't believe you you will never he's like a little poodle you know they're fast they're just poodles but there was when he scored his first rushing touchdown I think it was like in the first or second quarter he would he he like booted out to the side he was like eight or nine yards behind the line of scrimmage and there was nobody open and I think every single member of the bear's defense knew he was going to run it in and then he just ran it in and

like none of them touched him i was like scampers is this the most ridiculous thing um what i was i've been thinking about this this week and this game i think was confirmation of that that like it really kind of feels like the rams and sea hawks have been this is like a knives out movie the rams and seahawks have been like the red herrings of the movie that we're watching this season this the 2025 season and the actual killers are the fucking 49ers like they have legit legitimately the best off one of the best offences in the church of like the guy holding a hundred percent behind one guy's hands it's actually the guy in the balcony for the six first like whatever we talked about the rams and sea ox rams and sea ox blah blah blah and now i'm like man

the forty nineers terrify me and guess what the seahawks play the 49ers next week and the winner is the nfc west champion and the number one seed in the nfc it's crazy there's gonna be three do or like do do or die like games like that next week um dude purdy i want to just give him my my oppenheimer award of the week i'm going to give it to purdy purdy has had 10 touchdowns in his last two games. And he is one of the most important players in the fantasy playoffs this year for league winner. A total league winner.

And it's gone so under the radar. I think the Niners in general are just like, have just kind of been coasting like you said behind Seattle and L.A. or no one's really discussing them and you like look up and they're 12 and 4. And you're like, man, the Niners don't even have a good roster. They're so beat up. I can't believe they're 12 and 4. But Purdy's kind of the same way where Mack Jones played seven or eight games this year.

And then Purdy, since he's been held. he's been really good, but specifically the fantasy playoffs. He is the QB2 over the last three weeks, putting up 26, 30, and 37. He's only behind Trevor Roaches, averaging 30 points a game in the fantasy playoffs. Just, and it looks easy. It's like, it's that groove Niners offense. We're like, it's just guys open over the middle of the field. Duane Jennings did dig routes over the middle, like over and over.

Every time, every time Pretty drops back, I'm just like, fuck. 20 yards over the middle. Like for real. And Kittle didn't even play tonight. The combination of the Shanan play Conjohn's, come on. What are we doing? The idea that George Kittle can just be hurt.

And that's the, I agree with everything you guys are saying. Starting with the Niners, I think the Niners at this point are like, when bacteria becomes resistant to antibiotics. You know what I mean? It's like you don't finish your antibiotics. The ones left multiply and they're just like unkillable. George Kittles out.

I'm like, oh man, Jake Tongis, I feel fine with Jake Tongis. He can move. Christian McCaffrey comes out for playing like Brian Robinson's great. Brock Purdy gets her. I'm like, I actually think, Jones can be at anyone. You know what I mean? It's like the night just granted a you never comes out never comes back the whole season doesn't matter like the amount of the Debo Seagull trade it doesn't matter the amount of things the nineties have overcame

Tri Williams I thought the guy who came in to back up for Trent Williams tonight was he was fine which is usually an Achilles seal for the Niners team I the amount of players They're unkillable the defense again the defense I do think that this is the flaw I will say though to the purdy point one I didn't believe you Dek I thought that was total bullshit so Lamar didn't run at the combine because people, Bill Pulley and wanted him to be a running back or receiver or whatever, but. Oh, yeah, the two time

MVP. Yeah, yeah. Him? Okay. The thing you're thinking of, though, is that Brock Purdy said, I don't know, maybe that takes aging well now. The thing last year, Brock Purdy said, I think my 10-yard splits faster than Christian McCaffrey and Debo Samuels. You guys can fact-check me, and we thought he was joking, and then it's true.

Brock Purdy's 10-yard split was faster than Christian McCaffrey's. Sneaky, sneaky little shit. Every time I hear that, I'm like, that's not possible. But you're right about the athletic But to your point, Craig said something, I don't remember what, a week or two ago, about the quality of this coach of the year race, which is an award that I usually don't care about. It's a stupid award. I don't think the award itself matters, but I think that you're right, Craig, that I'm going to pull it up. I think it just, well, it just speaks to me to I could make a case. I think for six different coaches as coach of the year, because obviously Mike Rabel, if the Patriots get the one seed, Ben Johnson. I mean, I know the Bears lost tonight, but I mean, Ben Johnson, the job he's done with Caleb. Williams, this overall team, the defense, I mean, leading league in turnovers, the running game. Liam Cohen, if the Jaguars get the one seed, the jaguar. But the other, but the, that's the thing, that's the traditional, the new coach. I could make a very convincing case that Kyle Shanahan should be the coach of the year.

Yeah. Because the fact that the Niners are even in play to be the number one seed in the conference and not player, you guys pointed out to me before the show, the Niners might not play a road game, the rest of the way. Super Bowls in Santa Clara. Super Bowls at home. And the fact that the Niners lost basically six weeks

of Brock Party, six weeks of George Kittle, they lost months and months of their best players. The only, the healthiest player on the Niners is Christian. Nick Bosa, ACL out for the season. Fred Warner, inside linebacker, out for the year. Like, that's a top five defensive end

in the NFL. Fred Warner's probably the best inside linebacker in the NFL. They lost five other defenders, defensive starters in free agency. And then Trent Williams has been playing but hurt. And then Kittle, Debo, Ayuk never even plays. and Mac Jones plays and beats the Rams on Thursday in football.

In any other year where it wasn't normal to look at great coaches and be like, well, we don't care. The job that Kyle Shanahan has done, this is probably the best coaching of his entire career. Well, he's currently the favorite to win. But yeah, it's Shannon. And is? He is right now.

Oh. It's Shanahan. I mean, all these guys, Shanahan, Vrabel, Mike McDonald has the third best odds in Seattle, Liam Cohen and Ben Johnson. All five of those guys are incredibly deserving. Yeah, it's truly just been a, it's been a really cool season. They're all there. Yeah, Mike Tomlin.

Mike Tomlin's right there. Sean Payton. Mike Tomlin has the 10th best odds, which is stupid. That's, that's pretty great. Anything else on this, on this game? You think Robert Saul is going to get another head coaching job next year or no? I don't think this was his finest work. I think he's done, not tonight, but I think he's done a great job this year with what

at the Niners defensive line coach is incredible and does they are become a factory of just former ill athletic guys that no one else can get to go and I feel like Salon needs to wait a couple years I don't know he if he just jump back in you need to wait for like several of his children to get out of the house and you know graduate high school and whatnot deka insists that there's too many children he has too many kids to be a head coach I still maintain that if you look at Robert Salah and him getting fired from the Jets I still think he was shived and I still think he was shived and I still still look at him as Rogers tours Achilles, four snaps into that jet season. And the defense was so good.

And Rob Sal was the defensive coach that they went seven to nine. And I think that's underrated. Like the Jets would be better than the Steelers were this year of Rogers have played for the Jets that season. And then the next year, Sala gets fired. His defense had allowed three touchdowns in the previous three weeks. Rogers throws a pick six that embarrasses the Jets owner in his London in his London game because he was the ambassador. So Sala gets fired. I'm like, they allowed one touchdown in the game.

I still think Sala got a raw deal. And with all that. And I think no offense to Aaron Glenn, but I don't think anything happening with the Jets this season suggests that Robert Sala was getting less out of that unit. So with that said, we can get it a winners and losers from the day,

although I kind of think Pertie and Caleb are right there with anyone. So, D.K., otherwise, who else do you think is a big winner from week 17? I feel like we need to acknowledge the Jags right now. We need to talk about the Jags because... Every week we like, is our fiscal responsibility to be like, it's our fiduciary duty to be like,

we must once again acknowledge that the Jaguars, won in our good team. Well, here's, here's how I will put it. The old Jags would have lost today. They would have lost this game because they, they were coming off a big statement win over the Broncos last week. Everybody's starting to buy in. Everybody's starting to believe. And then the old Jags, the Jags that we've known and loved for a while now, would have completely fucking, like, tripped on their dicks and lost this game. But they didn't do it. They won. They beat the Colts. I mean, division games are always hard. These division teams know each other. Obviously, Philip Rivers is like this big story. I'm sure Jacks fans were just

piss listening to all the Philip Rivers just like, you know, waxing poetic about Philip Rivers on the broadcast. But I mean, they won this game. They improved to 12 and 4. The last time the Jags won 12 games in the season was 2005. The most they've ever won is 14 games. And that was, I believe, in like two, it was before that, 2002 or something like that. So this is like one of the best Jags teams we've ever seen.

And I think we just, I mean, obviously this was like not a statement win or anything like that. they beat Philip Rivers and the Colts. But again, I think they're just starting to establish and help me believe that they are the real deal this year. And I love Liam Cohen.

I think he's done a great job. All of these records feel wrong. Like, I don't know what, like I just look at the standing. I'm like, the Jack Wires are 12 and 4. That doesn't feel right.

Even like I'm like, the Chargers are 11 and 5. That doesn't feel like. The Chargers have 11 wins. I'm like the Texans are 11 and 5. That doesn't feel right. None of these feel right. Who are you people?

That's how I, what happens in this season? Seahawks are 13 and 3? I know. The Seahawks having 13 wins does not feel real. It's like great inflation. You're looking around and you're like, what is going on? I totally.

Honestly, I've, Craig, which records looks the most wrong to you? Because I think it's the charges. The charges are, they have to be the first team to use seven left tackles and win 11. Chargers at 11 and 5 looks weird. Dude, Jacksonville being 12 and 4 right now is fucking bizarre. Yes. It's very weird. I think it's just because we're not used to it.

Obviously, Trevor Lawrence having taken this leap this year that I think we kind of stopped believing that it was ever coming just because it was like there was a million excuses for him over the years and a lot of that had to do with the coaching and the situation that he was in. He just kept making turnovers and all this stuff. But I mean, he has, I think, made a real leap this season with Liam Cohen. Their offense is really clicking. I think him embracing and leaning into his running ability is his overall athleticism. I mean, it's like Brock Pretty.

He is turning into the sneaky little shit that can score running, rushing touchdown. It's not so sneaky. He's six foot six. He's like a gazelle out there, sure. But like, I looked this up today. I didn't, I couldn't quite, I didn't quite realize it. But he has third in the NFL in total touchdowns in terms of rushing and passing. Trevor Lawrence is he has 35 passing and rushing touchdowns.

The only guys ahead of him right now are Matt Stafford and Josh Allen, you know, like two future Hall of Famers. So, you know, I, this breakout for him, I think is real and repeatable. it doesn't feel fake. I think this is the same vein of what we're talking about with, you know, the Caleb and Ben Johnson relationship. Like this could be the beginning of an extremely extremely productive relationship for a very long time with Liam Cohen, Trevor Lawrence. They're getting the most out of each other.

And it's just really fun to watch. I think you're seeing this in some ways almost the exact same thing in Jacksonville and in Chicago and to an extent in New England where you have a former number one pick between Trevor Lawrence and Caleb Williams who really, really, really struggled with a really really bad coaching staff, like, like really overmatched. And frankly, Bears, Jaguars, incompetent organizations. The Jaguars have been a bum. And the dyslexia.

The bump. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we'll talk about it. What stage is the worst. Yeah. But the bumbling clown show that has been the Jaguars and then the bears who, again, haven't had a good quarterback for 80 years. And if you look, I think that what happened with Caleb and Trevor Lawrence is they got fresh starts without having to leave.

But don't forget, Liam Cohen turned down the Jaguars job because they would not fire the GM Trump Alki. And then Jaguars were like, fine, we'll fire Trump Alki. They cleaned house so Liam Cohen could, Liam Cohen could come in. And I think what you're seeing between Liam Cohen and Jacksonville and Ben Johnson in Chicago is what happens when I think both guys are kind of holding them to account in different ways. I think Ben Johnson's holding Caleb to account in terms of the fact that he started with the pump no palms up, like your body language, all this stuff matters. But then the Jaguars, they both really are just doing under center running games. Like, They need to run the ball.

It's the same thing with Liam Cohen and revive Baker. Bucks went from the last and rushing yards to like first, two years in a row. And so you're seeing what happens when you actually pair these really talented, as Greg was saying, number one overall picks with a real running game with a real running game with a real running game with a real. It's not that complicated. It does make everything easier. And you look at the Lions and Jared Gough, another number one pick, loses Ben Johnson, loses the offensive line, loses the running game, falls back to Earth. Baker, the Buc's offensive line gets hurt. Number one pick, falls back to earth.

because when the offensive line can block, when the running game is there, when the play action, everything suddenly looks a lot easier. And then when the lines get hurt, then it's kind of a mess all of a sudden. But it's been, yeah, it's been a really cool year. Being a good team is very hard

because you need a good offensive line, a good quarterback, and a great coach. And it's like, it's hard to get all three of those things. That's why. Yeah. Yeah, it's shockingly difficult to have all those things in the same time.

It's like, frigging the stars aligning. The other thing I want to point out today, Parker Washington was awesome. I don't have any big takeaways from this, but he had just like another awesome game. Parker Washington, who was like the wide receiver four or five coming to the season, they made this huge trade up to go get Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter gets hurt halfway through the year. And then that allows Parker Washington to kind of like showcase his talent. He's turned into like a really big time playmaker for them, like one of the most trusted

players in their offense. Who do you guys think is the most likeable newcomer team this year that like kind of broke through. Like I think we have New England, you have Jacksonville, you have Denver, you have Chicago. Which one do you think is like the Colts in the first half of the season were definitely that? Do you think there's one that's like this is the team that people are going to rally behind and that it's good. They're very likable. Like America's team, the next America's team. You know what it's like everybody wants the bills to win because everybody likes the bills. Like who do you think is the new team right now that everybody kind of likes? Who do you like? Funny thing is I don't think I like any of them.

Like in terms of you know what I mean? I'm not like drawn to any of them strong. I think he's like, fuck these things. No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying I, I don't dislike any of these teams, but I don't think I'm, you know what I mean? Because like in the old, a couple of years back, we think about like the lions where the lions came out of nowhere and all of a sudden were really, really good. They kept finding good talented player, super likable.

The head coach was super likable. I don't know if I feel the same way about any of these teams. I guess I would lean Chicago just a little bit because I like, I like Ben Johnson and I like Caleb Williams, but like, I think that's about it. I think Jacksonville's kind of likable. I think Trevor Lawrence and I'm going. William Cohen is kind of dorky and lovable and his like post game speeches are very impassioned.

Yeah. I think he's calling out Sean Payton for calling them a small market. And you have to factor in that much like Detroit where like in my entire lifetime basically would like the idea of Detroit being good made no sense to me. And that's kind of the same with Jacksonville. We're like seeing Jacksonville good is so weird that I, I root for them because I'm like, oh, wow. This is truly something I've never seen.

before. Yeah. I mean, the Jaguars are the worst team in the league the last 10, 12 years and want the

Giants, and the Giants, and the Jaguars, didn't they have the number one pick two years in a row? Yeah.

I mean, I guess, so, no, it's nice to see the Jaguars. It's, again, it is wild. The coaching class

from this off season is just, it's generational. I know what people say we use that term too much. It was a generational head coaching class

or carousel. Also, worth noting that these people who were really good candidates sought out great quarterbacks. Mike Reble said I took the Patriots job for Drake May. Mike Verbal's like I didn't really come back because I played here. I came for Drake May. Liam Cohen saw out Trevor Lawrence and Ben Johnson saw out Caleb Williams. This is why I'm not worried about the Giants. I didn't get anyone like none of these guys wanted to go somewhere. There's no quarterback. Before we move on for Jags Colts, I just want to note the death of the Indianapolis

cults and they have eliminated from the playoffs. They started seven and one. Brutalts then went one and seven. And I want to just note this thing from the athletic who wrote that since the AFL to NFL merger in 1970, only five teams had won seven of their first eight games and missed the playoffs. The Colts have now become the sixth. They're like the anti-Bangles where every year it's like the Bengals, no one's ever started. Oh and four. It made the playoffs. It's like that was the opposite with the Colts. Colts had 98% chance to make the playoffs. Okay. So with that said, uh, I think the loser of the day is the

the Giants because they won. The toilet bowl. The Giants beat the shit out of the Raiders, 34 to 10. They're so stupid. The Raiders are impossibly bad. Jesus. I don't want to complain about this too much, but it is the second year in a row. The Giants won a game in Week 17 that cost themselves the number one pick in the draft.

This happened twice in a row. So that's stupid. And they returned to, Deonté Banks returned a kick for a touchdown today. I didn't think I could hate Deonté Banks more than I'm having. Give it. Give the context because he, Basically, he was a first round pick and he's done absolutely. The first round quarterback who, you know, coverage stats are flawed.

But if you just sorted by anything on pro football focus, he was like 110 at a 110 for years. And then mixed with Terry McLaurin on Washington, literally was like, yeah, he plays way off at the goal line. That's weird. You only need a yard. We just did that every time. And it's like when they're calling out a cornerback for how bad is, he was horrific. The point of where they couldn't play him is a first round pick. So they put him on special teams.

He returns a kick for a touchdown. The only useful thing Deonti Banks has ever done for the Giants was in the game they needed to fucking lose, which is unbelievable. And Roger Sherman, our former colleague, pointed out, the Giants have not returned a kick for a touchdown since last year's week 17 game that also cost them the number one pick. Fire your special teams coach. That was the Drew Locke game when Drew Locke was the best quarterback by QBR since Tom Brady

in 07. Man, he had like six touchdowns or something. The Giants in week 17 with the number one pick on the line are unbeatable. Best team in the league. Hif, two do the Giants get next week? There's still a chance that they get the number one. pick right. It's a small chance, but they're playing Dallas. So whatever, man. Here's, here's my question. This is a genuine question just for people that are rooting

for teams to get the first pick and all that stuff. Like, do you not put any stock in the idea that vibes matter and like a young team kind of coalescing together or whatever and like having some better vibes going into the offseason instead of just being like the getting the shit kicked out of them to end the season or whatever? One random week 17 win. No. With Dart, though, like DART was kind of feeling himself today. The example is the Houston Texans who won that game. And I forget the coach who did it out of spite. Fuck you.

To cost the Texans the first pick, got the second. They got C.G. Stratton instead of Bryce Young, traded up, got Will Anderson. And now the Houston Texans might win the AFC South next week. And like that, there is a culture aspect to it. Having said that I would rather lose and probably get the first pick and then trade down and then get a future first bid in 2027 draft from a shitty team that would like, that meet an amazing class.

That would be nice. But yeah, it's not Jackson Dart looking great. It's cool, but also, all right, congrats. The Giants are now the eighth team that had their best game of the season against the Raiders. Like, it doesn't mean anything. So it's not the biggest deal in the world, but get it. Whatever. I'm just looking for the silver lining for you, Hyphitz.

Yeah. Well, if this is where the toilet bowl, Hyphitz would be happy right now because they would have won the first. Yeah. Yes, they should. That should be. So with that said, D. Well, no, Craig, your team. Yeah.

So I will, they are a loser of the day. I also want to give them. It's so. Over. Obviously last week. Sorry, the Pittsburgh Steelers. It is deeply over, I think. Why?

What happened? This has been such a freaking roller coaster. I can't remember a bigger roller coaster. We are so back. That is how over it is. We are so over. That's how back we are. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. They lost to the Browns today. The Steelers are such a confusing and interesting football team. And I have a couple fun stats here that outline that. Wait, before you say that, can we just set the stakes that basically, if the Steelers won today, they would just win the division, period. Yeah, yeah, it'd be done. Now they've got to play the Ravens next week, winner wins the division, and they're going to lose.

The Ravens who looked pretty terrifying. Yeah, Derek Henry had 230 yards and four touchdowns against fucking Green Bay. So, yeah, so the Steelers lost 13 to six to the Browns to Shador Sanders and the Browns. The Steelers now are winless, and this is an insane stat. The Steelers are winless in their last five games versus. is teams that are eight plus games below 500. So two and ten or four and twelve. Yeah, here are the last five games.

The Browns who were three and twelve, they lost the Patriots in 2023 who were two and ten. They lost the two and Ted Cardinals that same year. They lost to the 0 and eight lions in 2021. And they lost to the two, ten and one bangles in 2020. The Steelers are the ultimate, like, meet their opponent at their level team. They've now lost four games in a row in Cleveland.

and the quarterbacks in those games that they were facing where Jacoby Brissette, Dorian Thompson, James Winston, and now Shador Sanders. Good Lord. One, I didn't know they kept track of the stat that you're talking about. Eight games under 500. I didn't know that was even... As good as Rogers looked last week in that great win,

he pissed me off today because in every crucial moment, he was basically ignoring every Arthur Smith thing and he's like, look, I call the plays in the final two minutes, which is fine. However, his focus... decisions. I understand that D.K. McCaff and Calvin Austin are not in the game, and that really hurt. The receivers were so fucking bad today. And no one's open, but like, Rogers is, he can't move the ball in these important moments because he's, like, calling these shots and he's, like,

throwing fades to MVS. The last three plays of the game were three targets to Marquez Valdez-Scaneling. Those are the, and where they were trying to score to win the game, he threw three straight passes to Valdez Scantling. And I know there's not a ton of other great options. Darnow, Washington broke his arm, so he wasn't in there at the end of the game. But, like, Pat Fryer just move you down the field. Jonu Smith is there too. Those are two good tight ends. And Rogers is just doing stuff.

There was a fourth and two, a crucial fourth and two near the red zone. And Rogers throws a fucking deep ball to Scotty Miller. And I'm like, I don't care that it was one-on-one coverage, Rogers. It's fourth and two. Get the first down. This is the price I think of playing with Rogers is that when it comes down to it, he wants his guys, he can't play with young people. Because like, did you see a week or two go?

he was bragging about how, oh yeah, we're winning with a bunch of castoffs. He's no, Adam Thieland was a cast off. Scottie Miller's a cast off. Marcus Veldes Scaling, he's a cast off. And then today, you're like, oh, yeah, they're just playing with a bunch of castoffs. Yeah. When I look at, when I look at the Steelers receiver room, this is, this is, this is general management, just like, this is the worst thing I've ever seen.

I wanted them to go get Jacoby Myers badly. There's so many receivers, you guys. Do you know how many receivers come out? out of college every single year. Hundreds. There's literally hundreds of receivers coming out of college. And the best that they can get are Adam Thielen, who is 35 years old, Marcus Valles Scantling, who has never been good and is 31 years old.

Those are the two top receivers that you have. How is this possible? I don't understand it. Obviously, I understand D.K. McCaff got suspended. But this is malpractice to have this receiver room for a professional football team when you have Aaron Rogers at quarterback. It's malpractice. Also, factoring that the third round pick,

they took two years ago, Roman Wilson out of Michigan, just doesn't play. Even today, these didn't play. This DK is what you always said about Bill Belichick. He's too old to meet new people. That's Aaron Rogers. I'm dead serious. He's too old.

He won't work with new people. He'd rather work with Marcus Veldos Scantling, when did they last play together? Like five years ago? And then he'd rather do that than learn Roman Wilson's name. He's throwing fades to Valdez-Scaneling like he's Devontey Adams in the end zone. It is so brutal. Famously not a catch point.

God, Valda Scatling. Like, he's banking on Valda Skatling's hands. There are hundreds and hundreds of receivers in the NFL. This is the group that they could get together. But that's what, no, it's football hubris. Rogers would rather do the fade to MVS than learn to play with someone new. So the Steelers are a prop, I think they're going to lose to Baltimore next week. D.K. Metcalf is not going to play in that game.

He's still suspended. I don't know if Calvin Austin's going to play in that game. So I think they're going to lose to Baltimore. They're going to somehow still have a winning record and not make the playoffs. Are they going to score a touchdown? Because they didn't score a touchdown at A versus the Browns. Also, we have, we have to mention

while we're shredding Rogers. Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett said, quote, I mean to an extent, I feel like they were more worried about keeping me away from Aaron than getting the win. I think that's what came back

to bite at Miles Garrett, saying that the Steelers cared more about preventing Miles Garrett from getting the sack record than actually running the offense. It did actually, watching the game, it kind of did feel like that. And Tomlin said after the game,

very, very, very salty, all-time salty price. conference from Mike Tomlin where he basically was like, we treat Miles like we do every time. We treat me a lot of respect. Obviously, you do want to get the ball out of Aaron Rogers' hands. But I do think Aaron Rogers did really, because again, Rogers, I think he kind of hates Brett Farv. And I think there's a lot going on there. And he's mirrored Brett Farb's career. Brett Farv was the guy who got sacked for Michael Strain's single season sack record. I think Rogers didn't want to get sacked for Miles Garrett. I think he didn't want to do it. And I agree that not

getting sacked is good. And it hurts. Painful. Painful. I don't want to get hit by that guy. That sounds terrible. Craig, I guess here's my question. Yeah. How many, is this the worst regular season loss for Mike Tomlin ever? I just read you five over the last five years that were fucking terrible. I know, but this was to end the year.

I know that they've done this a lot, but like we're at all those games losing to a tube and teeth. Like this was just, the division's over. You can just end the division. It's a fair question. And I'd have to look into it. But yeah, it's certainly up there. I mean, I don't know. last year, what were they eight and two,

and then they lost their last five straight. So, I mean, this is... Shador Sanders quite literally tried throwing them the game. Shorahers had, I think, one of the worst interceptions of the season. So bad. You ever play jackpot as a kid? Yeah.

As a kid, I played it as an adult. Yeah. There you go. I don't know. That is. Jackpots where you throw the ball up and you're like, I don't know, you make a points and shit. Oh, we're talking about three flies up? Maybe the different name of the West Coast.

Oh, no. When you said jackpot, I thought you're talking about that game you play on the TV. with your friends. No, the one where you throw the ball in the air and then you're like, mystery box or whatever, and then depending on... Oh, yeah, we called that three flies up.

Okay. We called that flyers up. Oh, that was the interception. Look at us. Growing up in different areas. I don't know. Wow. Yeah, but you're right.

Yeah. I mean, this is... We are capping off the most quintessential Pittsburgh Steelers season. Every week, the narrative completely flips on if they're good or not. They still get a 500 record

and they miss the playoffs. And if they make the playoffs, they're going to get their fucking bell wrong by whoever they play. So this is the new Jeff Fisher. Dude, it's just slightly, dude, it's so, you know what, Jeff Fisher being famous for going 8 and 8. Meanwhile, we just obsess over Tomlin being 9 and 70.

Like, it's the same fucking thing. Damn. Tomlin's just Jeff Fisher with one extra win. As it is right now, if the Steelers make the playoffs, they're going to play Houston in Pittsburgh and Rogers against that defense sounds fucking terrifying. I, we got, wow, the Tomlin, you know, now that's accedents seem kind of fucked up when you say it like that, the Jeff Fisher thing. It just, it's so, we are, the Steelers are just.

the weirdest team in the league. I also have to, I thought this quote was fake. It's real Denzel Ward, the quarterback for the Brown said. I don't know whose bright idea was to try me for the game on three plays in a row. It was Aaron Rogers. He did his own research. Oh my God. All right.

With this game in the mind. Also, I don't know if you saw that last play. Kenneth Gainwell wide open, walk in touchdown right over the middle field. He was chipping the entire drive. I'm like, he's your best fucking receiver on the team. He was wide open. I don't know. I don't understand.

I mean, honestly, I know Darno Washington broke his arm and that probably affects the block. being in my house care. Whatever, whatever, whatever. Okay. Well, but yeah, Stewart's going to play the Ravens. So speaking of the Ravens, I think the Oppenheimer Award for player who went nuclear. I mean, Derek Kennedy. Holy, dude, this was the most vintage performance. So the Ravens beat the Packers 41 to 24. I mean, Derek Henry had 45 points in fantasy. A career high, 36 carries for Derek Henry, 216 rushing yards and four touchdowns. The four touchdowns tied Derek Henry's career high. The seventh different 200-yard rushing game of Derek Henry's career,

which is the most 200-yard performances ever for any running back. He's the first running back to have a 200-yard game for two different teams. And then in this game, Derek Henry moved into 10th for most rushing yards ever and fourth for the most rushing touchdowns ever. And somehow with all that, the best part of the whole game was Matt LaFleur said at halftime and afterward that we got Big Boy. I think this is worse than the Alvin Camara six touchdown game. Somehow this felt worse to me.

I was at a holiday party last night watching this game Saturday night. I was surrounded by loved ones surrounded by all my best friends. And I was in the worst mood. I was just being a little fucking grump in the corner. I was like pouting in the corner. You don't draw attention to yourself in that way at a party. It's not good. That guy is the meme.

Yeah. I was like, dude. because I'm in three I'm in three separate championships facing Derek Hedder. I don't understand how that's possible because he was so like off and on the whole season

but like this was crushing me. This game was horrific. And I will never forgive the Packers for this. I officially fucking hate the Packers. I will never forgive you for not being a little stop the run whatsoever. The Vikings, you're off the hook.

The Vikings were the team that gave up six touchdowns to Elvin Kamara that game on Christmas a couple years ago. You're off the hook. My new shit list is the Packers defense. Fuck you. What did you think they were going to do, Green Bay?

Yeah, what the fuck? It's Tyler Huntling, Derek Henry, and it's cold out. What do you think they were going to do? It's like that fourth touchdown where he like ran it in from wherever like 40 yards. It's like, was that necessary? You didn't figure it out halfway through the game that this is what they're doing? He had three touchdowns in the first half, I think. Jesus Christ.

80 yards and two touchdowns in the first two drives. I know. And now it's funny. The Ravens have had such an up and down year. and Henry has had such an up and down year, mainly because it's been kind of tied to Lamar. But now Derek Henry, you look at his season, it's like, he's the RB 7 on the season. He ran for he's going to run for probably 1,600 yards and like 18 touchdowns. So ridiculous.

Bobby Mays posted this. He said, this was so funny. Mays posted, quote, in what has felt like a relatively quiet season for Derek Henry. He now has 1,469 rushing yards and 16 touchdowns. Yeah. What the hell? Which I thought was so funny. And also with all that said.

He's third in the NFL in rushing yards. Has it ever felt like that once? Never. Not one. Well, last night it did. He's third NFL. Not at all. This week, Derek Kirby had as many fantasy points, literally to the exact number as Amon Ross St.

Brown, Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins, Cidie Lamb, all first-arm receivers, by the way. Jamir Gibbs, Christian Watson, Ladd McConkey, and Josh Jacobs. The exact same amount of points as those. He's averaging over five yards of carry. What the fuck? And you know what's going to be funny. Once again, I don't know what the fuck we're going to do next year.

We're going to have the same conversation now. I already know. I already know. I already know. No, no, it doesn't matter. fine. D.K. With all those 41 points,

Lamar Jackson must have had a huge game. Oh, no, he didn't play. Lamar didn't even freaking play. Tyler Huntley went in there. I can't believe this. Make Tyler Huntley beat you.

What are you doing? I know. Well, they did. Do you want to let this future Hall of Fame running back? Derek Henry demoralize you. Big boy,

you, as Lifler said. In Packers defense, they're down defensive tackles entering the game. They lost multiple defensive tackles during the game, which really hurt this. But overall,

I mean, Matt LaFlegrams. I don't care. They got big ones. So I do want to give credit in this game. Derek Henry had 60 yards rushing versus the Bengals this year. Fantasy's crazy. Fantasy is fucking nuts. Why do we do this to ourselves?

He had 60 yards. In week 13, Derek Henry only had 60 rushing yards against the Bengals. And week 12, he had 64 against the Jets. And he has 216 against Green Bay. Fantasy is insane. We are. Fantasy is nuts. I ruined my night.

You absolutely ruined it. This is the guy in that, you know that meme standing in the corner, the stick figures? And he's like, no one knows that Derek Henry has 45 points of me. And then people dance are like, it's always fucking talking about it. It's like, why are you so morose? Oh, my God. Dude, so I was playing, I was playing our old colleagues, Colin and Ryan O'Hanlon in a game. And guess who they had?

They had Derek Henry and this is in the finals. And they also had another player from this game that I think we should talk about. Malik Willis. Backup quarterback, Malik Willis. who came in and dropped like 32 points on me. Absolutely ridiculous. This one I wasn't as upset about Malik Willis, I think actually might be good.

Like I'm very excited to see what happens with him this offseason. I think he's going to be one of the more intriguing storylines. Okay, put the odds on it. Is he going to be a starter for a team next year? It's like a team going to put their money behind him and make him a starter? Or what do you think is going to happen with him? I don't think so. You don't think so?

I think he will be signed to compete with someone for a starting general. like a bridge type of quarterback. Yeah, I think that the Vikings with J.G. McCarthy, I think that like the cults with Daniel Jones not being healthy. I think that honestly, the Arizona Cardinals or something. I think that I don't think, well, someone's going to do what the Jets did with Justin feels this year, which was insane at the time. Hey, yeah, just be your starter. But I think Malik Willis is, he's pretty good, man. I don't know how Matt Lerlke-Keebler keeps doing this.

But I think, I mean, Malik Willis, the thing about him, he's the fastest quarterback in the NFL, especially now that Lamar has hip, back, ankle. handstring any issues. Yeah. Like, I think Malik Willis is clearly the fastest quarterback in the NFL, but he has a cannon for an arm. It was always whether he can process, you know, an NFL defense. And I think Malik Willis, he's making pretty good decisions.

I know it's not necessarily carving people up from the pocket, but I don't think he's a liability in the pocket. I don't think he's an above average quarterback right now. Yeah. I think it's so interesting. Here's the deal. So when you take him out of this ecosystem, what does he look like? Who knows?

Well, we saw it. He was, I mean, he was like the worst quarterback I've ever seen on Tennessee. Yes, right, but that was when he was like a rookie. Well, I'm just saying, he's in Derek Henry to leave Tennessee to look good. I think, well, I mean, it's like the story of the season. We're seeing all these quarterbacks get put in the right system with the right coaches. And you can make it work. And it's like if Malik Willis goes to Minnesota, I would trust Kevin O'Connell to put him in a system that works for him.

If he goes to the Jets, he'll be fucking terrible. I think Malik Willis would be Justin Fields-esque on, yeah, on the Jets, but also I think Sean McVeigh could win 11. I will say that. I'll say this. He goes to the Raiders or something and he'll be terrible. I think he's very clearly a more talented passer than Justin Fields has ever been. I think it's very, very clear that he's a more talented passer. His numbers, his numbers are ludicrous.

Craig, the last two seasons. Okay, in four starts this year. Sorry, four appearances. I know, I know. He's 30 of 35 for 422 yards with three touchdowns. It's the luxury of coming in as the backup and getting to shred and then leaving. Matt Flynn was like he was getting touchdowns on like screen passes and shit. Like this felt like legit.

He was making real throws. I don't know. This sort of throwing. I thought like Will's played really well. But I mean, you go back to last year like he's, he was really good to you. But yeah,

I mean, I don't know what's going to happen. Obviously, like I think it is going to be a huge risk if anyone does want to take a risk on him and pay him money. But Hyfit sent this text, he made himself $20 million last night. I think that is true.

I think you have to be careful when the backup comes in on a good team and in a good system and he's been there and he like knows how to operate. Right. Like a package built for him. and just be like, great, I guess he can work anywhere now. Mac Jones to me is like a great example of like, if Mac Jones goes to another system, like the pendulum of what Mac Jones could be next year,

to me is like everything is on the table. Where if he went to Minnesota and competed with J.J. McCarthy, he'd probably beat out J.J. McCarthy. And yet if he went to the Jets, he'd be fucking awful. I think in a world where Andy Dalt makes $4 million, I would pay him like, well, it's like 20 and see what the fuck happens. The delineation for me is Malik Willis has ludicrous tools, at least. Whereas those guys are like, you know,

Mack Jones is never going to make a play like what Malik Willis made in that game. Can I give you an intrusive thought? Yeah. I think the Colts should sign Malik Willis and run a two quarterback backfield with Anthony Richardson and Nick Lewis Thunder lighting and they could both throw the ball and they should read options. Do RPAs with each other? With each other and that except they can both throw if they keep the ball.

Or actually, no, they don't, neither of them throw. It's just. Neither than throw. Exactly. It's just who's going to write. Can I think a wild guess about that league, We have not talked about this. Did Ryan O'Han, did his team squeak into the playoffs and then now make the finals?

No, they were second the whole year. Because we have to talk about this. I think of theme this season. Yeah. This is anecdotal. But I have a high school league. It's the oldest league I've been in. The guy who squeaked into the fucking finals.

The two teams that squeaked in the finals made the championship. The ringer league, the two team, Chris Ryan and Mal literally didn't make the playoffs. They will finish six and eight. They made the finals. I have another league. Jackie just won. She squeaked into the playoffs. and she just won the league.

My only league, our championship was the sixth seed versus the seventh seed. I think there's just some weird things where Josh Allen and week 16 had like six points. And Trey McBride had like five points. And then you have guys like Derek Henry and like Michael Wilson and Chase Brown who kind of suck for three months. And then guys have just been like juggernauts over the last five or six weeks. And frankly, fantasy teams that were terrible in September and October are like kind of dominant right now. And it's very random. I'm willing to kind of just throw this season out.

Why do we do this? Let's just put an asterisk on this whole thing. We'll just wash this one down the drain and not think about it. There's nothing to learn. We have to remember this for next year. We have to add this to it when we do memento tattoos that I think the take purge, we actually aren't wild enough because I think sometimes we need to take more inspiration that things, if imagine if even in the take perch had been like,

I kind of think Michael Wilson's better than Marvin Harrison Jr. It was an insane take to have a year ago and now it's like, well, yeah. Obviously. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, he is. Okay. Speaking of Oppenheimer, though, we have to mention Drake May.

Yeah, Drake May, one of the best games I've ever seen in my life. Obviously, the huge caveat that it was against the Jets defense and the Jets have completely fucking given up. Off topic, not top of, not off topic, but just sort of tangentially. I just, the last few weeks, man, I just can't imagine what it's like to be a Jets fan. I just can't picture it. High Fitz complains a lot about being a Giants fan. Being a Jets fan is just orders of magnitude worse than that.

I don't even understand what it's. like I need to talk to more Jets fans in my life. Let's talk to Sean. Let's talk to Frickin Roger Sherman. Because man, it is, it's rough. Like, there's no hope there. What do you, do you watch the games anymore? Like, what's the point of this?

I think that this Jets performance replaced the Raiders chiefs one where the chiefs had more points than the Raiders said like plays. Yeah. I think this replaced that. I mean, the Patriots beat the Jets. What was the final school? Like 42 to 3 or something? 42 to 14.

Yeah, well, it was 42 to 10. Drake may got bench in the third quarter. It was 35 to 3 at halftime. I think the first half, I've never said this about an NFL game. I think the first half of Patriots Jets looked like a walkthrough. It was ridiculous. I can't even believe it. Drake may miss two passes.

He was 19 of 21 and he had five touchdowns. I think it was the first quarterback to ever have like 90% completion with like 250 yards and five touchdowns. I mean, he started the game nine for nine. that they were 21-0. I think I saw someone say he had the highest QBR of any quarterback since like 2002. I have an idea for the MVP debate because a lot of people were like, oh, great, the Jets just gave Drake May the MVP. It's now basically between May and Stafford, who's going to get it?

What if we just give, instead of the MVP, what if we just give the Jets, the LVP? Because the Jets, here's how quarterbacks have faired this year against the Jets. They are 13 and 3, 7.4 yards per attempt, 64% completion percentage, 34 touchdowns and zero picks. That is an MVP quarterback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13 and 3, 34 touchdowns and zero picks. That guy wins the MVP.

The Jets hiring a quarterback to be their head coach, and then maybe they're one week away for being the first team to ever not intercept a pass in an NFL season. Yeah, I think they should give the MVP to just everyone who played the Jets. Everyone who played the Jets. Yeah.

That's good. 34 touchdowns and no picks. And be like, that guy's definitely the MVP. I mean, that would be the MVP, no? Oh, my God. No. So do you, you know what's so funny? Is Josh, so Josh Allen, it's over, right? For the MVP?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, combined with the Drake May game, yeah. Yeah. You know what's funny? If Josh Allen had just put a little more room from that throw on the two-point conversion to walk the game off. We're having a conversation.

For sure. He's, we're like, wow, what an iconic Josh performance. That's why he's the MVP. He brought him back two touchdowns in the fourth quarter. It's because the kicker missed the, the Jalen Carter blocked the extra point. And so that Josh had to go for two at the end. And I'm like, we're five more yards in that pass. We flipped the entire MVP conversation.

If he makes the pass, we're like that whole game is the breaks. Them's the breaks. Game of vengeance. That's how this works. You know? Crazy. Yeah. I mean, he did straight up miss.

I was shocked. He missed that throw. I know it was like pouring rain, but I was. It does not feel like a type of throw. You know. Greg's best football observation ever remains that you can't see rain on TV. No, I was watching the game with Liz. And she was like, oh, like, what, how did he miss that throw?

I'm like, well, you can't see it, but it's fucking dumping right. The only time you can see it is, well, they'll show replays of like where they look at the lights or whatever. But also when they like, when a player will slide trying to make a catch and all the water splashes up like it's a freaking slip and slide, that is where you're like, oh shit. It's really. It's why Brady wore a glove on his hand because he was so wet. He was going to drop the mic. He was a crazy. He was going to slip out of his hand.

Brady's jumped a shark in this point. He wore, he was wearing, he was like wearing one glove. He's wearing a freaking turtleneck and one glove to this. He's got the Michael Jackson glove. People were making like OJ Simpson, Buffalo jokes. I, I don't, he looked like a fucking, he looked like Darth Vader. I don't know what he was doing. He did.

I was thinking about the Herbert on Saturday, but then Brady out did him where he looked like Luke Skywalker. It looked like his hand got cut off. Brady's the type of guy who I'm like, you wear driving gloves, don't you? He doesn't drive, Craig. He's like, what is he doing with one glove on holding the mic? It was one black glove. Who are you looking like a super villain?

He's doing it. What was that? Did he have an injury? We didn't hear. He was a weird finger issue? Why would he wear a glove? He wanted to take some of the heat off of his actual analysis. Now we're just talking about his.

Next week he'll be bleeding from the eye like that guy and James Bond. Part of his analysis, D.K., was he called towards the end. I don't know if you heard him say that Josh Allen was a 250-pound big booty quarterback. Did you hear that? Okay. Yeah. I actually think when Brady opens his mouth, he's no idea what's going to come out. He's just like.

It's anything. We should find someone who's like, knows nothing about football, but Ken speak English, and we should show them Brady talking about football. And then like three hours and be like, he's the best player who's ever played this game. Yeah. He has no idea like what's going on out there. I really think that. Oh, my God.

He's like Brady Cook, just like every pass, every play. He's like, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm going to throw the ball wherever I see a green helmet. Okay, wait. We got to get a, we got to get a. we got to get into the sew over. We have to get into a list of whatever you want to call this, but I think my season's so over or just playoff sharts or whatever,

but we have to go through just a list of players that are like, not dead to me, but like at least they're dead to me right now. Is this, I mean, should we just, is this burn book? These are fantasy murderers.

I don't know. I mean, it's just, the list is so fucking long. I don't even know. I just, these are people that ended your season. Yeah.

And, well, I think this is just like an offshoot of what you were saying where a lot of fifth and six place teams ended up winning championships this week. Yeah. because random ass players went off. And the guys that got you here, some of the superstars of our industry were just,

they just didn't show up. I mean, do you want me to just read off this list here? Nico Collins, three catches, 57 yards, C.D. Lamb,

five catches, 46 yards, total dud. Jalen Waddle, not that he was a superstar, but he had one catch today. Justin Jefferson, five points.

Oh, he had a carry. I don't think he had a catch. Oh, excuse me. He had zero catches and one carry. He went to the blocker up for an extended period of time. I didn't,

apparently he, came back into the game. I didn't notice. Justin Jefferson had five points. Write that down. And that's our blurb for J. Jalen Waddle in 2026. Just that's it. He got her. Came back. I didn't notice. James and Williams had five points. T. Higgins had eight points. Bucky Erving had six points. Sycone Barclay had seven points. I mean, it was just freaking brutal out there. Ladd McConkey, one catch. Ladd. Not that he was like the guy that carried

you here, but Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs didn't do jack shit. If I had told you that Derek Henry and Josh Jacobs would combine for 219 rushing yards. Yeah. Jemir Gibbs, the last two weeks fell off the freaking planet. Like he didn't do jack shit the last two weeks. It's incredible after having like six or seven games where he scored like three touchdowns. It was just, it's just so weird how this all went down. George Pickens too.

Pickens was the best receiver in the NFL for eight weeks. He's had single digit points. Three of the last four weeks. He's killed you in the playoffs. He was mortal. He wasn't bad, but like a lot of those guys that got you the first round by, Pickens, Jonathan Taylor. Taylor's been disappointing.

Taylor hasn't had more than 15 points in six weeks. Maybe it's because they're like, let's let Philip Rivers throw the goddamn ball. But like, yeah, no, it's just, it was a bloodbath out there. I mean, people are starting to Audrick Estimate and their championships. Also, I got to tell you, you know what broke me

as they just, I'm supposed to know what I'm doing guy this week? during Christmas week, these games are on Thursday and Saturday. And everyone's sick. I got to tell you guys. I don't know what the fuck is everyone sick. Ted McMillera McMillan this morning. Adam Schaefter's like questionable with an illness.

And everyone's saying, well, he's just, they got to put it on the report, but he's fine. And Jeff just like, I'm hearing he might not be fine. And I'm like, I can't think of something. I, what am I supposed to do with that? Yeah. He's sick. Thanks. Yeah.

Now you're supposed to give advice, Haifitz. I think they should have to report his temperature. Yeah, yeah. I want to know what it is. I want his temperature. It's over under 100. Yeah, right. If it's 99.8, I'll play him.

If it's 101, I'm sitting them. Even 101, I'm like, it'll be fine. 103. I'm like, yeah, I just, DJ Moore. Oh, my God. This dynasty league we're in, where hopefully I'll win. DJ Moore is like before the game, like him and Alamedi Zakeas are sick and not practice and they're not warming up on the field.

And I'm freaking out. And then it's like DJ Moore is active, but it hasn't warmed up yet. And I'm like, oh, I'm like, sorry, I just, we have to, this is, we spend all six months doing these rankings and talking about who we're going to draft. And then week 17, the championship is determined by who didn't get their fucking flu shots. And then like, Audrick Estime is in the goddamn game for the Saints. And it's the stupidest game ever. And I don't know why we do this. Chris Ryan made the finals.

He only made three moves this entire year. He didn't even draft. He has $100 in Fab Left, which is all of it. He spent zero as bad. He made three moves, just general moves the entire season. He wasn't even there at the draft. And it was funny because he was in last for like five weeks. And everybody made fun of Tate's draft because they thought he did a terrible job.

You know who he took Drake Bay? Drake May. Drake May in second round. He took two, baby. Jamir Gibbs and Drake May. And we were like, you just did that because he went to Chapel Hill. It's like Taco from the league. He wins every year.

Whatever, man, stupid. Wait, who won out of YouTube for third? I think I'm going to run away. Not to be not that, not to be that guy, but for the ringer league, I think I just, if I, I actually think if I had just not gotten a first round by, I would have won the league because of the way it would have shuck out. Well, you got third. I got, yes.

You know what? Everyone remembers third place. Dems the brakes. Yeah. I'll put it on a, put it on a, put it on. You get your money back, which there wasn't any. How'd you do, Craig? Uh, I got last.

I mean, I got fake last. I have the same record as the champion, six and eight. So let's write that down in the history books. Yeah. What did he finish? Dead last? No, so let that be known. I was six and eight.

Mal was six and eight. So, DK, we're going to go through all the emails, Craig. We're going to tweak your punishment a little because we need to have more specificity. So we're going to round out that. Not tweaking so much as just being more specific. I'm not technically dead.

If Drake London has like 30 points, I don't get last, which probably is not going to happen, but it's possible. Okay. All right. We'll revisit it this week then. Okay. Any other players you want to do, should we just do burn book now and do it at the end? Do we just do like a ceremonial? Like, we just do 10 guys in the championship burn book. All these dudes, Jamir Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor, Nico Collins, Pickens. Like, they should all be in there. They're like ornaments on the tree. We're just hanging them all up for week 17 of all these guys who screwed us.

Who do you feel the most hate in your heart towards right now? I think Ted McMillan, Ted Arroy Macmillan getting you one catch on the last, the last drive of the game really interested me. It's got to be like Jemir Gibbs, I think. I think it has to be Josh Jacobs. He got three yards. Jacobs is a good one.

Josh Jacobs said three yards. Yeah, I mean, that's fine with me. You probably didn't make your championship if you had him. Who's the player that was actually in the championship? Gibbs. Yeah, yeah. Gibbs got you there and then he went AWOL. That's true.

It probably is Gibbs, actually, which is, you're right, because that's the saddest play. Who wants to hate Chimier Gibbs? He's like the least hate him. He's like the most fun player in the NFL. What the fuck happened? I'm actually more mad at Jared Gough.

Gough, dude. Goff by extension. I feel like it's Gough's fault that Jumeir Gibbs did all this. The Ringer Fantasy football show is brought you by Fandall. Fandall's changing the way you live bet football. And it starts with Next Drive SGPs. Now you can bet what's happening on the next drive.

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We have to just do this right now. I think it's time. It's time for an essential edition of America's favorite segment. Fart or shart? Ringer fantasy football show presents. Fair ones. For or short. Ooh, that's going to leave a mark. Featuring Cooca Crazy Craig and the Dipper Danys. Ooh, stinky.

I do like Crazy Craig and the diaper Danny. Do you think Netflix is going to actually listen to our show once and be like, oh, no, thank you? They're going to kick us off for sure. They were sold a bill of goods. Oh, my God. Okay. D.K. Yeah.

Lions lost three straight games lost to Max Brosmer on Christmas. I will say that again. The Lions lost to Max Brosmer on Christmas. That is a chart, my friend. I don't care how you how you frame it. Well, it was easy. It's a shart. Is it a shart long term?

I think here's the context that I'm putting it in. The lions are just another team again. They've lost their magic. Fuck. Unfortunately. Because they were like America's team. They were our team. So much fun to watch.

Love Dan Campbell. You know, their GM just never misses all that stuff. And now they're just like another fucking team that's like pretty good. And they can win on any given game. And sometimes they lose to Max Brosmer. You know what I mean? And Jared Goff turns them all over five times in a game that they absolutely have to win.

I couldn't believe that. That was ridiculous. I mean, there was one play where the Vikings had two defensive ends. Just it was just like meat at Jared Goff and they squished him. They ran into him and squished him together like like a smore. It was ridiculous. I mean, this was, I don't know what to make of it. I do think they still have a ton of talent, but I don't know.

The magic's gone. The mojo is missing. I think that's honestly, that was a really poignant way of phrasing it. They're just another team. That's honestly devastating. Yeah, I know. It sucks. That's what I felt.

That wasn't just the lines at Christmas. That's how I felt about watching the Chiefs. I mean, the chiefs got Chris Ola, like, I know that's obvious, but like, it's not just Chris Ola Doken coming in replacing the homes. I'm like, they're like, oh, it's Travis Kelsey's last game. Chris Jones is like a Hall of Fame defensive tackle. He's jumping off sides on fourth and two out of the two minute warning. He's the best defensive player. That was brutal.

Yeah. Like, this is one of the best defensive players in the history of the NFL playoffs is Chris Jones. And I'm like, you're the guy who's falling on fourth and two. He handed the Broncos the game. That was 13 to 13 to 13. The Broncos would have kicked a field goal. They were not going to run a play. They would have kicked a field goal.

And then the Chiefs actually could have overtime. And I'm like, man, this is, this, you never would have thought this team was won a championship. But the Lions one is really sad because they were so lovable and they never got there. I will say the light, the five turnovers, six overall. Two were on the center, the rookie center. But I mean, this to me was the Lions game in a nutshell. The left, at one point during the Lions game,

the left tackle was Dan Skipper. The left guard was Christian Mahogany. The center was an undrafted free agent rookie Kingsley, Aguick, Oguacken. The right guard was the rookie Tate Raute. And then when Penesueled out, the right tackle was coyote, I was Saka. Well, this is exactly what we talked about earlier, Craig, where it's really hard to get all your ducks in a row with the play caller, the quarterback, and the offensive line. And injuries happen. And for whatever reason, the Lions have been more injured than the other teams over the last couple of years.

I just keep going back to in High Fitz, you've brought this up a bunch of times, but I just keep going back to what Dan Campbell said after the Lions lost in the 2023 season to the 49ers in the NFC championship game. And he was basically like, look, I told the guys, this might have been our only shot. Now, if you look back on it, the last two years, the next year after that, they got their absolute doors blown off by the commanders last year in the playoffs in the divisional round, even though this was a very good team last year. And this year, they didn't even make the playoffs. Like, they're going backwards. And it's just, it is a reminder how hard it is.

The window closes quick. Yeah, the window closes quick. And again, these are the types of things that always make me that much more impressed by the teams that are able to win over a long period of time. It is so hard. I mean, that was the theme of Christmas. I mean, Washington's on their third string quarterback, and they made the championship game last year,

and they're super out of the playoffs. And then the Kansas City's, this era of the Chiefs is over, and they're on the third string quarterback. And then the Lions looked like they had the third string quarterback. Max Brousman three net passing yards in this game. And they couldn't even beat them because they had, wild. The Lions had eight turnovers coming into this game.

And then the Lions had five or six turnovers in this game. But no, I totally agree, D.K. But on that note, because the games were pretty, ugly. Craig, I have to ask you a question. Football on Christmas when we had three third string quarterbacks and then the NBA had the Wembenyama Spurs beating the Thunder again and the Knicks beating the Cavs and then the Warriors. I love that. I'm the biggest

anti-Thunder fan of the world. Fart or shart for football on Christmas? You're here. I mean, unfortunately, it's a fart. It's not a shard. The NFL is not a shard. It's never a shart for the NFL. next year Christmas is going to be on Friday. There's going to be three games. They'll make sure somehow that no quarterbacks are injured the ones that they pick.

No. I personally enjoyed that. That was great. I remember it was, you know, 7 p.m. I like glance over the television. Somehow the chiefs are like in it against the Broncos. I look it up. Chris Oludgen's got like legitimately 42 yards passing and they're like down three in the

middle of this game. And I'm like, this is a blast. I don't have to really care about this. I'm having a great time. I was confused. I was like, wait, you enjoyed Christmas football?

And then now I understand the context. I enjoyed that like I could treat it like midseason baseball that day. Right. Also, what's up with Chris Ola Dukin kind of sounding like Mahomes? Do you guys hear him talk? He sounds like Patrick Mahomes. He's just, he's halfway between Mahomes. He's like, ah, the coaching staff is really trying to like, I'm like the Riola kid.

It's like Dylan Riola. He's like he's doing the Mahomes impression and it's pretty good. He's cosplay. My Netflix thoughts for the Christmas games, I will say I think that I like the robes. I think that's a good thing. That'll work. That can stay. I thought the DAC Press God,

I thought that, I like a rare steak, but I thought that thing you bit into was super rare. Like I was concerned for his own. I don't even know what you're talking about. That's fine. But I,

did you guys see the only note I wanted to say, did you see the, were you watching the Lions Vikings game when Barry Sanders was on, it was on Zoom? Yeah. Because they stole the manning castification of like,

they're like, let's get a player and zoom in. Which is cool when Barry Sanders just talk about you mere Gibbs. But they asked, Barry Sanders about his high school sons and like basketball career and how proudy Barry Sanders is of his sons. And as soon as they asked him this question, Pinae Sewell went down with what looked like

a very painful injury. And so Amon Rass St. Brown and Javier Gibbs and Jared Gaff are huddled around Penae Suell. There might be, they have like a stretcher or something. They don't know if he's going to put him on it. And Barry Sanders, not seeing any of this, is just giving this like very passionate, diatribe about how proud he is of his son's 11th grade basketball career. And he's like, and he, and he, and he, and he's like, like, a Monroa Brown's like crying. And Bear Sanders is like, it's been a great time for my family and I.

God. My takeaway from that is like not every, and I understand the irony of the statement, but not everything needs to be a podcast. You know, I actually really don't like the Manning cast when they have guests on. I wish it was just Eli and Peyton Manning. Talk. Right. They should just be the.

announcers. Or you have guests in the first and third, but not in a second and the fourth. I don't like when it's like they have some random actor on. It's like Glenn Powell and they're trying to ask him about his new movie and something incredible. Then there's a huge interception and the actors on some rant about the movie they're in. That's the last thing I want. It makes sense for the overall thing for ESPN because they want people who wouldn't be watching normally to watch. I understand the idea. But what sucks is the main cast is actually better than a regular broadcast when the guest is watching the game with them. The best guess they've ever had was the first two weeks they ever did it was Brady and Russell Wilson actually where they just didn't have a plan

and they were just watching the game. Honestly, the best guess they've had was John Stewart. Because Eli Manning asked John Stewart, who's a real Giants fan, it was during Giants game, what about your like, what's your favorite player ever? And John Stewart's like, Eli, respectfully, I don't care about your question. Tell me why Daniel Jones is whose fault is that interception? Tell me. And Eli Manning's like, ha, ha. And John Stewart's like, I asked you a question, Eli, is Daniel Jones good?

He's a professional interviewer. And he's a comedian. And it's like, you can't, you can't have that all the time. I don't like it. Like, there was some WMBA player on a few weeks ago.

And they were trying to ask her to, like, predict what play was going to happen next. She was not into that. And she was like, um, I, like, before she could even get her prediction out,

the ball was snapped. Like, it's just, it's so clunky. I'm like, just have X players on who know the game or just have it be you two. Or just watch the game. That's what annoys me is like,

you brought this guy because they're a fan of the team. Like, just watch the game with them. Yeah, but it's like the only reason why these people are coming on is to promote something now. It's like a part of a press tour. It's like, oh, so the rock is coming on. Talk about the smashing machine. So you have to ask the rock questions. It can't just be watching the game, which is annoying.

I don't like that. It doesn't need to be a podcast. Craig hates a podcast. Okay. Next category. Any other farts? Any other sharts? We got to talk about Jacoby Brissette and the Cardinals real quick.

Well, we don't have to, but we could. You want to ask the question is, Jacoby Brissette's poor play, a fart or short? Yes. I'm going to go sharp. Can I ask you guys a pop quiz? We were really excited about all the fantasy implications of Jacob Percett making trade McBride.

I mean, more touchdowns than McBride in two months than Kyler did in three years, et cetera, et cetera. Jacoby Preset started 11 games to the Cardinals. Pop quiz. Do you guys know how many of those games? The Cardinals have won. I mean, they've lost eight in a row, right? One? They went one of them?

Yes, they've won one game that Jacoby Preset's fucking started this year. Yeah. And like the fact that the Cardinals players aren't actually clamoring for Kyler actually makes me think even less of Kyler. Like the fact that the Cardinals are doing this and they still won't go back to Kyler, I mean, he's playing well. And like, I know it's not his fault. They can't run the ball. First of all, the Cardinals have actually lost more games to injury than any team in the NFL,

which I wouldn't have guessed compared to other teams. But they are actually the most banged up unit. However, dude, the Cardinals, they're a top seven pick and they quietly might sneak into the top five. they're one of the other teams that could trade up because the Brissette thing's been cute, but like this isn't, the Cardinals have a lot of work to do. I thought I saw someone report that they're planning on keeping Gannon. And my question, my response to that is why? It literally just has to be the injury thing.

Why? Like they're the most injured team in the end of, what has the Cardinals? I mean, they got. They've lost 13 out of 14 games. They have a 100 minus 125 point differential since Brissette was the starter. The defense is horrific. Gannon.

So we talk about, you know, how it's always, you're better off like betting on the weirdo in the opening press conference because usually those guys end up turning out well, turning out well. Like Siriani was weird. Liam Cohen was kind of weird in his opening press conference. Dan Campbell's like biting off kneecaps. Everyone made fun of them for that. And then all those guys turned out great so far at least. Not John. And I think that one, that one, he was weird and that one, I think.

You know why? He was weird in private. Yeah. The press conference was fine. He was weird because they did the hard knocks, right? Like the candid videos of him that he wasn't aware he was being filmed. You're like, oh, he's still weird. You're fast, explosive.

Poo-poo! Pew! And the better one was- Did you take a bus here? You got fire in your gut? That was a weird thing. Rondel. Was it Rondel Moore?

He was doing the Pue-Pew thing? Yeah. Poo-Pew! Anyway, that aged about as well as you think it would. Yeah. that wasn't great. His defenses are terrible. I thought that's why they brought him in.

I don't know why you would keep him, but it is what it is. I want to do a new category here, which is just that shack meme of the IU and apology. I wasn't familiar with your game. Yeah, which I would like to give to Tyler Shuck, who,

Tyler Show. Yeah. Tyler Shuck, they beat the Titans 34, 26. Tyler Shuck played phenomenal. The Saints don't need a quarterback next year. I think at this point you have to play out the string

and you have to see Tyler Shuck developed. He's been, phenomenal. He led the phenomenal in the fourth quarter. And frankly, the two things I've been impressed with Chuck versus pressure, not only good versus it, but he's creating and he's scrambling and he's way more mobile and he's like creating out of structure more than I ever thought he would at this day, like this early in his career. Bullying works. And this, yeah, we bullied all away. But the decision making is just really good. And I've just been impressed. And frankly, the Saints, they don't have a lot around him. Like, it's not like, you know, it's not an embarrassment

riches. Kellan Moore, doing great job at the Saints as well. But, you know, he's, I guess they're the Kirkland brand of what we're talking about with all the other top picks and the new coach. But, um, Kellyn Moore and Shuck has been good and they should, I don't, they don't need a quarterback. I don't think. I mean, those are, yeah, those are they like, obviously the two hardest positions or whatever, you know, jobs to fill in football, the coach, the head coach and the quarterback. And it seems like this is a pretty good combination for them. Um, they don't have, obviously they're like way over the cap. So that they're going to have to get creative as usual with how they, they get better next year. But yeah, I mean, having not having to get a quarterback next year is going to be

massive for them. Dude, since week 10, QB 11. I mean, Olave has been incredible. Yes, he rejuvenated Chris Alave. Yeah. So kind of exciting. I mean, overall, the level of quarterbacking right now is good. I feel like that I don't want to jinx it.

Obviously, a lot of guys are hurt. But I was watching Cam, I mean, I thought Cam Ward played. I mean, you know, there were ups and downs, but that he had the best play of the entire day. It's got good flashes. Yeah. It didn't even count. But that sideways throw Cam Ward had was incredible. Shuck played well.

I mean, we're talking about how Caleb's revived. Trevor Lawrence has revived. I mean, a lot of guys are playing really well right now who aren't hurt. Intrusive thoughts. Craig? I think that fantasy championship should be week 16. I think that's not even like a crazy thought. Is that not?

Okay. No. I just, I don't want, week 17 to me feels too wonky. Things are getting weird already. I don't like it. It should be week 16. I know it's hard to do because we have week 14 buys. So that only leaves you two weeks.

Here's a crazy idea. Don't have buys in week 14. Well, now we're, now we're getting into changing. how the NFL schedules, which is trickier than just changing the, you know, the settings on you on them, Craig. Let's lean on them. Right, yeah. Can I tweak this? Okay. I think everything should be the way

DK in shout out to Jackson, your friend who has this rule, but I think everything should be a rumble. I don't think throughout week 17, it should be the final four teams left. Instead of doing semis in a final, the final two weeks should be combined and the highest scoring over the two week period of those four final teams, that person

should be the winner. I do like a two week matchup. The two week matchup and you have to beat the other three best teams is exhilarating. And you're actually the best team. 16 and 17? 16 and 17 combined. So instead of like basically the, you get a first round by,

you're, it's called a rumble. And so if there's six teams make the playoffs, the two first round buys, you're in the rumble. And then the other two teams you're playing to get in. And so the final four teams remaining, you don't play one team. It's just the highest scoring team

of the final four wins over the two. That might be the move. Relying on week 17 is just too much of a crapshoot. Is it too elitist to do it this way, Craig? Let me ask you this. You're in a 12 team league. only send four teams to the playoffs and the playoffs are weeks 15 and 16.

That's kind of old school. That's kind of how it used to be. I kind of like that. It is elitist and maybe I like it. Yeah, but it does, it eliminates some of the variants that you see with the playoffs like we're seeing this year,

especially, but I think every year you see a lot of variants like random teams like the original college football playoff. Maybe there should just be a committee that picks four teams. Yeah, that's just what it is. You should do a committee. I don't know.

I'm in a couple leagues that do the week's 15 and 16 playoffs and I'm like I don't mind this actually and when you're out do you but do you ever check the league if you start one and four I think we should be the committee for one fantasy league next year and at the committee yeah week in week 14 we look at strength of schedule

yeah we audit their entire league and we decide the four teams that make the playoffs have a committee that's actually pretty good we can do ranks every week it's like a listener league but we're not in it we just like fucking decide we're the committee if you're listening and you want us to be the committee of your league next year, we'll do it. That's really funny.

Now, should we already be a championship or should we just pick the winner at the end of the season? No, there should be, it should be like it used to be in a college football playoff where you pick the four teams and then there's a little bracket. We could, but it also, I mean, back in the, even 22 years, 23 years ago, it was like USC and Miami finished undefeated and they just voted. They didn't even have a play. It's like, I wonder which is better.

All right. My intrusive thought, are you guys sitting down? Okay. This is like a real intrusive thought. Okay. my intrusive thought watching the Patriots beat the brakes off the Jets was that Josh McDaniels should be hired as the Giants head coach. Why?

Besides the fact that he's a good play caller. I'm not saying I think the Giants should hire Josh McDaniels. I am saying I had the intrusive thought that while Josh McDaniels is arguably the worst head coach in NFL history, if you, if you count the fact that two, two, two, tenures were disasters and in between he took a job that he then quit before he started. And everyone hates him. And everyone hates him. And if you count the fact that he quit before his opening press conference, maybe he's the

worst got higher ever. However, watching this Patriots Jets game where they went up 35 to three at halftime and I'm sitting here and I'm like, who is a better candidate on the offensive side of the ball that you would hire? I feel like there's got to be a lot of guys. name them. I think because it's shocking. Here's,

I don't know. Instead of putting the burden on me to name people that would be better head coaches, how about we just look at what he's done as a head coach? Some guys are just not cut out to be a head coach. He's been fucking terrible at head coach. It's an insurance. I don't want this. But if Mike McDaniel doesn't get fired and Stefansky doesn't get fired,

I don't know who's a better coordinator. Isn't the lesson with the Josh McDaniels success in New England that some people are not meant to be a head coach and some people are just meant to be a coordinator. Isn't that the lesson here? Yes. Absolutely. It's like Cliff Kingsbury.

It's like some people are just better as a coordinator. And they flash this Drake May, nine for nine for 200 yards stat. It's the siren song of the Jets. It's the lost arc. You have to close your eyes. You are berating me for even saying good things about Drake May today because they're playing the Jets.

And then all of a sudden you're freaking like, let's let's freaking get Josh McDaniels as a head. It's a fair intrusive thought. Also, this year's coaching candidates suck compared to last year. So I get it. By the way, the ringer did a great breakdown of the coaching candidates, which was a very cool. Yeah, shut out. To Stephen Rieus and Deonté Lee.

I'm just saying, you'd be shocked when you actually look at the list. You don't want the Notre Dame guy? I would freak the fuck out if they hired Marcus Freeman from Notre Dame. And I'll still never get over Shield Capadia telling me on the NFL show that he was the number one candidate. I love that after the Sharon Moore thing, Michigan's like, we're going to take the guy who's lived in Utah for the last 20 years. It is an interesting list, though, of guys that are going to be. So like offensively, some of the guys on this list, Cliff Kingsbury,

don't think I want to go down that road. Joe Brady. Joe Brady, who has made good offenses when he's had Joe Burrow or Josh Allen. There's some good defensive guys, I think that maybe you should think about High Fitz. No. Jesse Minter. No. There's defensive court. That's my point.

If you want an offensive coach, it's a shockingly short list. Put your money where your mouth is. Coobiard. What about Cubiak? Yeah, Clint Cubiak. Kubiak, Brad, Flores. But it's like this guy, Kubiak's, is he ready to be a head coach? It's such a different job.

That's the question. Unable. So we'll see. Here's what we do know. There's a guy that isn't cut out to be a head coach. Based on, yeah, let's play what we do know and what we don't know. Facts that we've seen, things that have actually happened. The third time's the charm.

And by third time, I mean, the third time you, You, you take, you start the job, not just take it. My other intrusive thought today was, or this Saturday, watching the charges in Justin Herbert was that he, Justin Herbert should just be the MVP. What he's doing for his team is as heavy a load as any quarterback has in the league. I thought this when the charges Texans get. Now, I know the charges lost the game. But in the, I know, but there was a point where the charges might, and I will say the there was a point where they might win. Cam Dicker missed the kicks.

It should be 2020. He missed a field goal under 40 yards for the first time I think in years. And he missed an extra point and it was indoors. And I'm like, what are you doing? So it should have been 2020.

And when they flashed the fucking stat that the Chargers still could be the number one seat in the AFC, and like if they had won that game, that was very much alive for the Chargers to maybe be the number one scene in the UFC. It was possible. That is wild.

I was like Justin Herbert should be the MVP. And I'm not saying I believe that, but it occurred to me. because if they have seven different left tackles. If you want to do like wins above replacement, we talked about how bad the chiefs look without the homes. If you replace Justin Herbert with Gardner Minshu, they're the worst team in the league.

Yes, that's my point. That is my point. Like the Niners, probably. That is my point. Like if you go through, and I know, I'm not saying I would vote for Herbert for MVP, but I'm like,

if Jimmy Grappel had to replace Stafford, the Rams still make the playoffs, I think. You know what I mean? It's like if the, now you could make that argument for the Patriots. Maybe Josh Dobbs doesn't get the Patriots to the playoffs. But obviously the Patriots have had a very easy schedule on the stuff. The adversity of the charges have faced is preposterous.

Anyway, my other intrusive thought is that I don't think Miles Garrett should actually get the sack record. Even if he gets it next week, we shouldn't give it to him. Because it's 17 games. Because it's 17 games and T.J. Watt did it in 15 and Strehend did it in 16. That's honestly fair. It should be how many games you played. That matters. Watt had a 17 game season, but he missed two.

And then Strayant did 16. And I'm like, Miles Garrett was so close. We've been talking about this for so long. He blew it. It kind of doesn't count to me now. So there should just be no records anymore. That's a win for my Pittsburgh Steelers right there. They gave up the win to ensure that.

So let's just get rid of records. No, we should get rid of records. I think that we really actually should take records that don't happen in time. Seriously. Like, if you need the 18th week, we should talk about it differently. I agree. I agree with that. Who do the Browns play next week?

The Bengals. I think you'll get it because Burrow takes I think Burrow will take a sack. I like it hyphids, I agree. Disagree. It shouldn't, it's an extra gain. Why that doesn't count? Like, I just, I guess what I'm saying is if Jackson Smith and Jigba breaks like

the Calvin Johnson receiving yards record. And I think you're allowed to say the like the asterisk or whatever, the caveat when you talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. And if you do it in 16 games, like I don't feel the need to say that. It qualified at all. 17 and I just think it needs to be mentioned like every time.

I did have one intrusive thought this week. Okay, which is again, it's kind of related to the quarterback stuff. I think Mike McDaniel is going to be the coach of the year in 2026. I wish Carlos was here so we could talk to him about this. This is a great deep purge. I think Mike McDaniel has still has this team playing hard. The Dolphins beat the Buccaneers today. Not that the Buccaneers have done anything impressive in the last, whatever, 60 days or however long it's been.

They've lost like seven out of eight games, eight out of nine games. But I think he has this team playing hard. I don't think Quinn Ewers is the answer for. but I think he's done a good job with what Quinn Ewers can do for them on the offense. Like if he gets to choose a new quarterback next year, I know that he was one of the guys that, or he was the guy that sort of like put his support behind to it. That didn't work out. But I think if he can get a new quarterback, I think this offense could cook again.

You mean like Mac Jones? Mac Jones, Malik Willis, some of these other guys that are on the carousel. I'm very interested to see what happens with the dolphins in the offseason. Quinn yours was feeling himself today. He was getting a little zesty after a couple screel. Six-yard Scramble was doing a little dance. Yeah. Yeah.

I both feel like quarterback matters more than ever and less than ever, because sometimes the right coach can you can just fucking slot anybody in there and they can be productive. Well, it's not anybody. I mean, it's worth just out of fun exercise here, outside of Brock Purdy, all these quarterback reclamation projects are literally either pick first or second or third. They're all top picks. Mack Jones.

Okay. 15th. What I'm just saying. like even like Tyler Shuck looks good or Quinn yours at an easing day like I don't know I feel like you like Josh Dobbs Kevin O'Connor can make Josh Dobble can all right Malik Willis looks good

All right fine I'll go fuck myself I agree though DK I think Mike McDaniel I'm I mean Brock Purdy's the last pick in the fucking draft The Brock Purdy thing is wild I owe him an apology We don't talk about it enough like 20 years from now I'm gonna tell my kid

He was the last pick in the NFL fucking draft And he was one of the best quarterback He got significantly significantly better once he got to the NFL. Like that is weird as hell. How many kickers went before Brock Purdy in the drive? Yeah.

The thing we don't talk enough too is that Brock Purdy, the irony is we don't count the value and most valuable player because we don't account for how much money the players get paid in MVP, which we shouldn't. That would be a weird conversation. However, there is no question that Brock Purdy is maybe, he might be the most valuable player ever because Deshawn Watson and Dak Prescott were making more per game than Brock Purdy was like per year or like his entire contract

basically was like a month until this season with the quarter billion. So I it's insane like how much he did on so little. He literally no one will ever be paid less than he was the last pick in the draft. Undrafted for agents were making more money than Brock Bernie. It is actually one of the craziest stories like in I honestly think in like football history that the last pick in the draft ended up being this good. If it was like a movie, you'd be like, make him like the third to last pick

because that sounds stupid. Yeah. Ick of the week. So did you guys see that Joe Burrow got his offensive line fossils for Christmas? No, but I mean, I did see this, yes. Aaron Rogers got the offensive line ATVs.

That was sick. You know, Brock Pretty bought his offensive line trucks. Like Toyota trucks. Can you guys imagine if I texted you was like, hey guys, I got you Christmas present. And you open it up. And it was a fossil. And in that scenario, you make $50 million a year.

It's set you a fucking fossil. What is it? It's a gunwreck. And then the other, the guy, it turns out like van for Midnight Boys, you got them fucking ATVs. You'd be like buck Danny hyphins. Are they cool fossils? Like, what kind of fossil? You're like, what are we talking here?

Is this like a T-Rex tooth or something? Like rare fossils or is this like a little snail that I assume they're rare I hope they're dinosaurs I actually didn't even check see getting these fossils on like the black market I didn't realize there's a market for fossils Amazon I actually didn't even check rich people have access to stuff you know he tried to do the batmobile he he put you know there were like 10 batmobiles that used for the dark nights that would have been cool we did he paid a million for it and then he like bailed when his house got broken he's like actually this is kind of lame I feel like an idiot driving this thing.

It's too big for the lanes. Do you think all of the offensive, do you think he was a reveal? Like they all sat down and opened them up and they were like, he's punking them. Thanks. Oh my God. What is it?

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait. Oh, it's actually crazy. I thought. So, Courtney, oh, Ben Baby at ESPN, the man reported. So center Ted Karris shows the tusk of a woolly mammoth, which archaeologists estimated to be able 30. thousand years old.

Tackles Orlando Brown Jr. and Amarius Mims both picked cave bear skulls. And the rookie left guard Dylan Fairchild nab the Tyrannosaurus Rex fossil. The rookie got the T-Rex. T-Rex going last was not expected. It must be super lame. Must be like a little bit. Yeah. T-Rex is a little played now, you know, not as cool anymore.

Pretty trite. Ted Karras told Ben Baby Diaspin, I think it speaks to Joe Burroughs intelligence and interests and his desire to do something unique. I thought it was really special. Which is what you say about fucking socks or something. Really special. Bullshit. His desire to do something unique.

Yeah, look, when you're that rich, I don't need you to do anything thoughtful. Give me something sick. I'm sorry, we have to call this out. Can you imagine if Caleb Williams gave the fucking Bears own life fossils. What we would. We would be sure.

Yeah. Any other icks? Yeah, my ick of the week was the John Madden movie trailer, teaser that came out? That didn't look good to you? No. I don't know. I thought it looked like a lifetime movie kind, to be honest.

I was like, what do we? They're like, Nick. How is Christian Bale in that movie? He is? Christian Bale plays Al Davis. Christian Bale is in the movie. I thought it was Nick Cage doing John Madden with Christian Bail is Al Davis? Christian Bail is Al Davis.

I think like. How'd they get Christian Bail on this? Well, he does a lot of David O'Russell movies. But I don't know. The casting of Nick Cage is John Madden is like weird. The fat suits weird. It kind of is giving me like draft day vibes. Like ironically like ironically good.

You know? Mm-hmm. Unintentionally funny. It's going to be it's going to bomb but then everyone's going to watch it every year as a tradition. I just it's like on prime. I don't know. It's just like John Madden's earnestly beloved and Nicholas K. It just feels insulting to cast someone real life as Nick Cage.

It's just the casting's bizarre to me. I think the movie's also about John Madden like helping invent the video game, which I like don't care about. I don't know. That's kind of weird. I don't mean a movie about that. Which I don't care about. I don't know.

I just watched it. I'm like, what is this? I don't know if I didn't know that was happening. I think what I saw that was happening, I just assumed that was not actually going to happen. Yeah. And then I forgot about it. Just seeing Nick Cage doing like,

kooky John Madden lines in the booth. I'm like, what are I? Is it a comedy? Yeah. I think it's like supposed to be funny. Yeah. Oh, okay. Everything Nicholas Cage has done as a comedy.

We'll see. DK, any of their Ix? It feels like we really buried this deep, deep into the show. But you got to talk about the Seahawks winning today, 27 to 10. Great win for the Seahawks. They beat the Panthers in Carolina. The Seahawks are now 13 and 5. Sorry, no, 13 and 3.

One of the best teams they've ever put together, like truly. This is an incredible team. The Seahawks are like one of the best teams in the NFL, full stop. However, I feel a little bit, Craig, have you seen mall rats? High Fitz, I'm assuming has not seen mall rats. It was very much my generation mall rats was. And there's a scene where Jason Lee, they're walking around in the mall, actually, it's multiple scenes. And he's just obsessed with the fact that this kid, this mom is not paying attention to her son who is on the escalator.

And he gets really upset about it. He's like, not a week goes by that I don't hear about some horrific accident where a kid gets hurt on an escalator. This woman needs to be paying better attention to her kid on this escalator. And it's like a running joke throughout the whole movie. And he's like, that kid is back on the escalator again. And he says it like three or four times. And then so anyways, that's how I feel about Sam Darnold. Yeah.

Every time he drops back to do anything and makes a turnover. He had two more turnovers today. And again, I want to point out the Seahawks won the game. And that's great. I feel great about that. However, watching Sam Darno. Donald is like a kid on an escalator. It's going to end horrifically.

I feel like impending doom about this because Sam Donald is going to get, he's just going to make the worst play imaginable and the worst time imaginable. They're playing the 49ers next week. I'm terrified of this. Donald, by the way, if you're keeping a running tally, leads the NFL in turnovers. He has 20 turnovers, 25 touchdowns, 20 turnovers.

Your best hope with Donald, I think, is that just, One season, you need him to get on like a crazy flacco like run where he goes like he gets out. He goes unconscious for four games gets to a Super Bowl. Because otherwise like the consistency won't be there day, like game by game in the playoffs where you trust him to not have two turnovers. He just needs to go fucking red hot one season and it'll be worth it. That kid is back on the escalator again. Every time he makes a turnover, I'm just like, God, back on the escalator again. What are we doing here?

Let's talk about something really good here, though. The Seahawks defense held the Panthers 139 yards total. Bryce Young threw 24 passes for 54 yards. 54 yards, Bryce Young. 24 passes for 54 yards. They held the Panthers to 2.7 yards per play. The Panthers went 1 of 11 on third down. I'm sorry, how many yards per play?

2.7. The Seahawks are 14 and 2 on the road under Mike McDonald. They're a road juggernaut. Pretty sick. Yeah I sandwich the sandwich the good here CX are good The CX defense is awesome

I wanted to look up how often How infrequently Bryce Young reaches 200 yards passing And it's it's a lot Bryce Young Yeah yeah 67% Two thirds of Bryce Young's games As his career he has not reached 200 yards

Yeah That's quite bad for the number one overall pick 67% of his games, he can't get to 200 yards passing. I think Bryce Young is going to be awesome. It's terrible. The Fox Sports College football pregame show in like 10 years. 54 yards on 24 pass attempts today. I did one of the bets for the gambling crew today.

And his over under was 193 yards in this game, which he's only hit. Vegas understands. He's only hit that five times this year out of 14. starts five times 193 yards five times on 15 starts this year notably he did not get

93 yards which he didn't get 193 sorry 10093 wait he's done it 5 out of 15 games what is that 1 third Frandal needs to let us bet fractional things I want to be able to bet like he won't hit half this over under I want to be able to do that more off half

you can do that isn't that just like an alt line can't you you can do that yeah but it's more fun I just want to be like no I won't even get halfway there feels like more devastating yeah yeah The CX 49ers game will be must watch TV next week. Play of the day, we need to mention this bill's lateral where they, I mean, if the bills hit the two-point conversion, it wouldn't have been way cooler, but the bills extended the game

with a really, really, really, really cool lateral. I mean, two losing teams today had awesome laterals, the bills and the bears. The Bears did it, yeah. I fucking love the lateral. That needs to be more part of every. They need to have a rule that you have to do one a game. Yeah. Well, the Bears tried one earlier in the game, too, and it did.

And they phoned. No, someone tried out. No, it was the Jags. The Jags had it set up really well. And then ETN just like, it's like somebody shot a laser in his eye or something. He totally missed it. You have to toss the ball to receivers. You handed a running back and they tossed it to the running back.

You can't do that. Yeah. I guess Swift did it. I mean, he should absolutely have caught that ball. I mean, the other. Yeah, he should have done that. The other one was the baby. A baby could have done that.

The best play the day, though, was Cody Ford, the Bengals tackle catching a pass. Yeah, that's like, that is a good example of how downpatch. had the Cardinals are right now. The Bengals lined up their offensive tackle as a wide receiver. Sorry, what I say? The Bengals did. Yeah. And not only did he catch a pass,

he gained 21 yards on it. He almost scored a touchdown. Quite literally doing tricks on it. The Bengals are. They basically went like Harlem Globetrotters in this game because they were bored. It's awesome. Worst play of the day. I want to just shout out Fred Johnson on the Eagles,

ran onto the opening play of the game for the Bill's Eagles game without his helmet. That's like in a bad dream. He just ran back. I don't think I've ever seen that on stage. Like, I've seen that before, but I don't think you've ever seen that on the, like to start the game. That's kind of sweet. It's kind of like innocently dumb. I love that.

It's cute. Yeah. Oh, that's cute. Fred, your helmet. Oh, yeah. Like some sound effect. Yeah. Sorry, coach.

And then a laugh track. The thing I want to flag is I think the Texans and Seahawks have so much in common. And they have defense is incredible. The Seawks in particular, I think the special teams is great. I think the Texans carry me fairbearance great. Jason Myers, the kickers are really good. And I think the question really for Seattle, obviously, is Darnal has the turnovers and they can't run the ball. And Houston's like, okay, they're running the ball a little better for Houston and C.J. Strout.

And I have to say, I think lost in this Houston game, C. C.J. Stroud was fucking awful, which is weird because he started the first two throws he threw for like 100 yards and two touchdowns. It was great. And they had shot plays. C.J. Stroud after that, I thought was actually quite bad. And went out of his way to turn the ball. He after those two plays, which were cool. But like, they were just on shot plays clearly based on film. Stroud afterward basically had 100 yards and two picks and just should have just just, if he just didn't throw these picks, the charges have no chance. And just kept giving the ball away. And I just want to flag that I actually was quite concerned with Stroud's play, and I thought that was totally lost in the game.

I was straight. It was really, really bad, but after the first two cool plays. We're three full seasons into the Stroud experiment, and I'm not sold. No one knows exactly how to feel about him. I just, I'm watching that game. I'm like, Stroud is the week this year. If it weren't, like, I don't know. I'm like, if it weren't for him, this game wouldn't be very close.

Lucille Bluthie, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it award. I think there's a lot for here. I want to start with. Something, well, there's a lot that you won't believe it if I tell you. Starting with Bo Nix is the third most touchdown passes in his first two seasons of any quarterback ever. Wow, I hate that.

I hate that. Interesting. I actually will, I will ignore that. Plate or platter. Yep. I don't understand the question. D.K., this one's for you. Dante Coppulowitz Fleming, your guy had this.

Rookies in the Super Bowl era who have 300 passing yards and no interceptions in back-to-back games. Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, Tyler Shuck. I love it. My sister at law actually texted me this the other day, and I think it's so true. She's like, there's records in every single game,

and now they mean nothing to me. And this is like the type of thing that I think exactly what she's talking about. It's like, rookies in the Super Bowl era with 300 plus passing yards and no interceptions and back-to-back games. Like, they can come up with anything at this point.

Obviously, that is impressive. And I think it is an indication and an illustration that Tyler Shuck has been really good the last couple of games. But those stats are built just so people send them to their friends. And it's basically like an advertisement, I feel like coming up with cool new stats to be like, look at this NFL stat. There's there's records in every single game. But yeah, I mean, Tyler Shuck, that is impressive. But I think that one is just a little bit specific. Like, DK. Any other stats you didn't know what to do with?

I was looking over just some of the overall numbers this year. Would it shock you? I guess it wouldn't be that shocking, but AJ Brown went over a thousand yards today. Just didn't feel like he had a thousand yards this year. Quietly fantastic. It's like the Derek Henry thing. Yeah. Like he went over a thousand yards this year. 13 receivers this year have over a thousand yards now. Wondell Robinson is also one of them. Wondell Robinson went over a thousand yards today. I just thought that was weird.

And then the other one, 14 running backs over over 1,000 yards rushing this year. Two of them include Tony Pollard. Would you have ever guessed that Tony Pollard has over 1,000 yards rushing this year? Why would you lie on the show? Like that to me, it was just like, what? And then Rico Dowdle also went over 1,000. Quietly, Breece Hall went over 1,000 today. Really?

It's been a weird year with like Tony Pollard this year replaces Rico Dowdell. last year as the most shocking thousand-yard rusher yeah Tony Pollard thousand yards rushing when you look at that in like 10 years and we're like remember the Tony Pollard year where we went over a thousand yards and like I don't remember one play from him Tony Pollard and Breeze Hall have over a thousand yards and Ashton Genty does not yeah bizarre don't understand it could I wait can I blow your mind even more yeah Tony Pollard might have a career high on rushing guards this year his career high is

1079 oh no he's probably gonna finish with the career high just doesn't feel like it whatsoever okay I have two other just Lucille Blues Street these are important Brenda Lee we talked about rocking around the Christmas tree yeah she was like 13 when she sang that song

yeah what the fuck I just learned that yeah yeah there's a crazy story about her too I actually I read about her I think last year I found that she was 13 it's crazy this is also important Max Brosmer has a brother named fish.

Is that his like given name? Mina Kimes posted this on Instagram. Or not somewhere. Threads, I don't know. Mina posted Max Brosmer's brothers named fish. He studied music at Juilliard. His name's fish Brosmer.

Fish? Fish. Like is that his given name? I don't know. But he goes by fish. And if you look up Fish Brosmer at Google, it's Fish Brosmer. Fish Brosmer is a talented young American trumpeter from Roswell,

known for classical musical performances and symphonies, operas, and festivals. He is the brother of Minnesota quarterback Max Brosmer. Do you think the Brosmer family saw what Cloy's box did with Cloyce and Boyce? And they were like, we got a one up that. We're going to have. Max Fish. Fish. The dad just really loves fishing.

Fish. Fish. F-I-S-H. He plays the trumpet. Go to his Instagram. He's just him playing the trumpet. Fish. I need to know if that's his real name.

I think it is, man. Yeah, his Twitter is fish Brosmer. There's no way. And his photo is him surfing. That's up there with one of the best names. That is up there. Two receivers who outscored Ladd McConkey, Emeka, Aboukin, Devonti Smith.

Live Mollonki can F off. Theo Wees Jr. outscored Ladd McConkey by quite a bit today. I'm giving me a lot of therapy to kind of trust him again. Unpack this. Let's get to Burnbook. Let's just do it here. Burn book, Week 17. We did it.

We gave it to Jumeer Gibbs. Oh, right. Yeah, we're giving it Gibbs. God, that's so sad. It is sad, but that is really sad. It killed people in the finals. Because that's the thing is for week 17, you have to pick somebody who was most likely in a finals matchup.

And then screwed. Yeah, that's really sad. Okay. All right. Well, there's the burn book. Jalen Wattle, Mark Andrews, Isaiah Pacheck. Calvin Ridley, Trevion Henderson, Tony Pollard, Justin Fields, Alvin Camara, Bill Merritt, DJ Moore, AJ Brown, Roma, Dunsey, Justin, Justin, Ash and Gentie, Emeka, Emeka,

Bucca, Jackson, DART, and Jamir Gibbs. Some good players on that list. Somehow, Derek Henry never got burned throughout the whole year. He was never that bad. He was there. Bad. Kind of bad. Dika just hates him now or Ashley forever, I can tell.

I know, I had him on a team. I think there is a world where you can burn somebody for playing too well. I do think we need to mix that in, where it's like, if you have a guy who is shitty all season and then he plays great the second year out of the playoffs i think you can burn them for playing great that's how i feel about there kenner reburn dj more yeah yeah a j brown for being good at the second half the season a j brown is is right there yeah a j brown is probably on that list okay thank you dk thank you k thank you kre thank you kre thank you kai thank you awesome thank you over for listening thank you fish brosmer thank you lord lord uh thank you fish with a ph h not

So what's their deal? I don't really know. So they don't have a set. They just kind of play, right? It's not jazz, but they just play. They have songs, but they don't. They're just out there jamming. Yeah, jam band.

But what does that mean? Kind of vibes, right? What is it? I don't know what the jam band is. They're improvising, like, big chunks of songs for very long time. I don't know if that's what the fish is. I don't actually know if I've ever heard a fish song. I, I'm actually, I do not know.

much about fish. Can someone email us and explain what fish is? No. I'm curious. If you go to a Grateful Dead concert, like a song that's typically four minutes could be like 20 because they'll just kind of improvise them. Just like. Yeah, it's like mushrooms are yeah, you know, flowing like wine. All right. Well, that sounds pretty cool. That sounds pretty cool. Sure does. Do drugs, kids. If it's like music on weed, it's actually really good. Does you guys ever try weed and then listen to music? It's actually incredible. It makes sex even better.

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