The Ringer NFL Show - Week 17 Waiver Wire Pickups, The Final Trivia Championship, and the First Jump Shot

Episode Date: December 24, 2024

SHOWDOWN TIME! Must-add players at each position ahead of Week 17 (5:41). RB: Michael Carter (Cardinals), Gus Edwards (Chargers), and Alexander Mattison (Raiders) (5:41) WR: Jalen McMillan (Buccaneers), Rashod Bateman (Ravens), and Hollywood Brown (Chiefs) (12:28) TE: Dalton Schultz (Texans), Chig Okonkwo (Titans), and Isaiah Likely (Ravens) (23:04) QB: Bryce Young (Panthers), Caleb Williams (Bears), and Drake Maye (Patriots) (33:37) D/ST: Miami Dolphins, Indianapolis Colts, Buffalo Bills, Los Angeles Chargers, and New Orleans Saints (35:27) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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of podcasting read in the Ringer NBA YouTube channel. Welcome to the Ringer fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyfisand. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Kirk Worldbecker. We were going through our must add players entering the championship week in fantasy football. It is week 17 coming up fantasy championships and more importantly trivia championship among the three of us. Last week we'll be doing trivia. In a moment, we're going to bring our young beloved Kai Grady in here to update us on the trivia stakes here. And obviously, last week for trivia here.

So if you have been listening to this all season, please remember, we cover the whole offseason too, especially if this is your first year with us. We cover the whole off season. We do not stop at the end of the year. Coach firings, coach hirings, free agency trades. The draft. D.K. scouts a ridiculous amount of players. He gives grades.

He's got a whole draft guide. We cover the whole draft. We go to the Indianapolis Combine. We're going to be at the Super Bowl, the week of the Super Bowl, in New Orleans. Like, we're covering the whole playoffs, the whole everything. So please stick with us. Still got to have three episodes a week in January. So we also, I'm not going to lie, have in the next two weeks, three or four of the best episodes we do all year.

This is where we start to have some fun. Yeah, I actually think the offseason stuff is more deranged and we actually get muted. We're not shackled to actual games anymore. Yes. You know. So please really do stick with us. And also, we change your name of this podcast to the Ringer and Effle Draft Show. frankly, because no one searches for fantasy shows in March,

so we changed the name. It's not the best strategy, but it's what we got. So hit the follow button if you're on Spotify or subscribe or whatever. It's the only time we don't ask any other time. We're not like, oh, like or subscribe. It's only when we change the name of the show. I think it's super fair. It's the only time we bring it up.

So we hit follow, and then you won't be confused when there's a different name podcast in your recently, listen to do episodes. It's the only time we hit, we ask. That's fair, right, Craig. Still going to be the same color green. All right, anyway. All right, fine.

We'll get to it. Craig's exhausted with all the plugs. Look, someone's going to do it. That was good. That was good. Plug heavy three minutes. Now we're good. Whatever.

We made it three. Fine. Okay. So again, one last time. Now for the guys to plug into the lineup. We're all good. Oh. Plug and play.

We're all going to pick a player. It's week 17. There's no stashes left. We're going to just pick some guys if you have to play. Hopefully you don't have to use any of these guys. It would be a real flex if you were so confident about your team that you just drafted a guy to stash him for next year, even though you had to redraft a team. That would be cool.

Week 18? Yeah, so we're just going to go and we're going to pick our top player from each position. And then if we're tie, we're going to trivia. We're doing trivia and we're tiebreaker. So at this point, people probably know what's going on here. So yeah, we're just go position by position. Start. But actually, Kai, we need you to come in right now because we do these three trivia questions every week.

Kai, you have to let us know the standings and where things stand with the trivia standings right now. What's up, guys? Oh, hey. Merry Christmas. I'm here. Santa. Santa, Santa Kai. I don't know.

You should have workshop. It's coming down our chimney. Just off the dome there. Sorry. So trivia. All right. What are we cooking with here? It's close.

It's a tight race. Tell us. High fits is in third with 14. Craig is in second with 15. And D.K. is leading with 16. Wow. So close.

So close. So if I cheat and I sweep, I win? If you sweep, you win. Got it. That's it. Simple as that. Interesting. You got this.

You haven't swept this year. No one has. So, well, that might be. actually. Stayed the best for a lot. D.K., if you just win one, you guarantee yourself tie for first. Now looking back,

I wish I hadn't said so many joke answers to these trivia questions, but that's okay. Oh, don't do that now and say that this was all, this was all for fun. Well, there was that one day when I just used the same answer

for all three questions. Well, didn't you get one right? Yeah. But that's fine. All right. This is all for fun. Kai, what's on the line here? I actually don't remember.

Sitting in the middle of an airplane. No, that's the playoffs. No, no, that's the playoffs. We're doing. Oh, okay, sorry. I think it's, um, dinner. But then, so I guess it's really about you don't want to be last more than you want to be first. Okay.

We don't even know what we're doing, though? Well, it was dinner, but that means last pays for dinner, but then what is first get? We should have figured that. Maybe the email's at ring your fantasy football at gmail.com, if you know what we should put on this next year, we never figured it out. Maybe the winner just doesn't pay for anything. And no other two split it. Okay. Emails at ringer fantasy football if you know what we should do.

pays for himself third place pays for first and then self we got to figure out what it is it's not we're not going to shoot each other with paintballs or something next year but we need something we need that's a good idea actually it's not too nice you play that game where you swing the water bottle on the dek it really wants to do that that sounds so much fun we'll do that you tie it to the ceiling thing you tie it to a straight you sit with like no thank you blindfold and you get in the head with it it's hilarious okay we'll do that when we're in LA do that division around weekend okay all right thank you Kai. We're going to bring you back in here at the end, Kai. All right. Let's just get right into it. Running back, DK. Week 17.

If you have to plug someone on waivers into your championship lineup, or probably more accurately, hopefully no one's the last place listening to this, but if you're last, then you have to avoid the punishment. What's running back are you trusting with your season? Oh, my God. So, okay, so typically our cutoff is 50% ownership on Yahoo. Taji Spears and Tank Biggs people, just a little bit over that. I would put them in front of anyone else they say after this. So I'm going to go. with Michael Carter for the Cardinals. James Connor is going to be out most likely this next week.

It looked like he kind of hyper-extended his knee late in the game. Did not return last week. I don't think there's any reason for the Cardinals to rush him back immediately. I mean, they're eliminated from the playoffs. So if he does not play, and also, by the way, Trey Benson is hurt and he missed all his practices last week. And Amori DiMercato, TCU legend, just like Kai Grady, is also an injured reserve. So their top two backups are hurt.

So it's basically Michael Carter and DJ Dallas. Yeah. And I think Michael Carter, based on the way they used him in this game, would probably be the first guy up, get the majority of the work. So obviously, this is like contingent on James Connor,

but, you know, this is like a mini stash right here. Michael Carter, if James Connor and Tray Benson don't play, he's the guy for me. Yeah, and a beggars can't be chooser situation that you could do a lot worse than that.

I have the same thing. Michael Carter has had moments in his career. Like he has, he had some moments in the Jets there where he put up some numbers. And to be clear, if Kendry Miller, We're recording this on Monday before Monday at football.

So if Kendry Miller goes off for the Saints and Alvin Cabrera's having out. Yeah, he'd be another one. We're assuming Kendry Miller got added in a competitive leave. We're assuming Tashi Spiris, the Titans is added. We're assuming even take Biggsby's Dekis Seds added. So if all those guys, you really need something after those dudes, I think you could do worse than just, I mean, what, James. I know, I know, I know, is the Panthers, but James Carter had like 25 points or something last week. Like, you could do worse.

Conner's been great all year. And this is real. Like, I mean, it's very possible that you are in your championship and had James Connors. You actually might need to make an addition, maybe? The other scenario where I think people would need this is like you had David Montgomery. And then you added Patrick Taylor and he sucked and you're like, I need someone better than Patrick Taylor. And these guys will see. But the way that the lack of trust, Kyle Shannon had in Patrick Taylor giving him the football in that game suggests actually these guys might be better than Patrick Taylor next week.

So that doesn't stretch the imagination to me. Okay. All right, trivia. This is huge. One final round here. It is the Michael Carter. I love when we get a guy that we haven't mentioned before. is the Michael Carter

Showdown time. Gonna be honest, I did not know Michael Carter was still in the NFL before yesterday. Dong, it's different. Remember the Jets drafted both Michael Carter's

in the same draft? He had the quarter of the last. Yeah. That was crazy. Jets suck. Okay. This one is from Josh. Josh.

Okay, so D.K., you have, what is it? You have 16, Craig's 15, and I have 14. Josh says, since it sounds like you all need to put a little more respect in Bruce Springsteen's name, I will ask, how many times has the boss played Born to Run

in concert? God damn it. The boss. He's been touring since the 70s, 80s? When did he start? 70s? My mom actually, when she was in college, I saw one of his first concerts.

But yeah, he's at 50 years of tour. On and off touring. What a stud. Jesus. 50 years on and off. How many times is he played it? And he played, yeah. Um, okay. Do you guys want to know if I got close or don't got close? I don't like to know that.

I don't like to know that. Okay. Never tell me the odds. Because then I get, then I think about how long you had to think about it and I get upset. I think you guys, what you guys don't realize is that I'm doing these significantly faster than you. You're to,

I've never in my entire life spent this much time as we've been talking about, thinking about my answer as I'm ripping through the email. We spent, you mean like 30 seconds? I, yeah, I don't have time. I'm looking through good questions.

I don't have time to spend more than 30 seconds on this. All right, Okay. I think I have a number. Okay. Three, two, one. $1,700. $1,000. $1,000. $4,000.

$4,000. Oh, that's crushing. I said $2,000. 1823. Let's. That's so. Wow. They really kept track of that, huh?

High fits now mathematically eliminated. That's so fucked up. Actually, no, no. No, we could be, if I get the next two, it could be three-way time. theoretically. Wow. And then we could do a final showdown? It won't be the.

though, because I'm not going to lie, that's the one I did the best in, thought I'd win, I put it first, add a little drama, and then you fucking won anyway. So I'm going to fuck down. Turns out I am the boss.

All right, so Craig gets, who did you get? You get Michael Carter. I mean, again, in this world where beggars can't be choos, you get,

Audric Estime for the Broncos because, like, Jaliel McLaughlin's hurt. And then, I don't know, I kind of just, I kind of think the Broncos might want to see something

from Andragestime this last couple weeks. Again, this is like, you probably shouldn't be doing this. I know. I probably wouldn't want to do this with my season on the line, but here we are. You could grab a Raider, Amir Abdullah, Alexander Madison. Yeah, you could, sincere McCormick is hurt. So, yeah, you could do Amir Abdull.

I mean, honestly, at this point, like, you're screwed if you're, you're down this bad. So what do you think? If he's available, I'll take Gus Edwards over fucking Audragett estimate. I say Estimate because he's, he's like not roster. You could definitely get him anywhere. But, yeah, Gus Edwards, I would take over Roger Estimate, for sure. So you're taking Gus, if technically. If Gus is there, I'll go Gus. Are we counting Gus?

He's 48% on Yahoo. I think so. People have Gus. All right. Gus is rostered. When J.K. Dobbins went down, people rostered Gus. I like it when you guys are just like, we have a number and then you're like, yeah, but this, that doesn't really care. We've talked.

We've talked about this. People always joke about that. The number means something different in December than it does in September. All right. People always joke about that with Bill and the rewatchables where it'll be half-assed internet research. Or no, it'll be, it'll be casting what ifs. And he'll read all of the research that he's found. about who was like potentially going to be in the movie.

And then Chris Ryan will bring something he didn't know. He'll be like, oh, I read that Glenn Close was actually supposed to be the lead. And he'll just be like, yeah, I didn't believe that. Chris is like, so you just choose what to say the half-asseter research? If I have it, it doesn't count. You guys are just anecdotally saying, Gus Edwards, not around. No, the roster shit. What 48% rostered means in September is totally different than what it means in December 23rd.

I don't know what that means, but okay. all I know is that Michael Carter was born to run. Okay, so you're Craig, you're taking Carter. Hi, Phyllis is taking Edwards. I'll take Madison. Oof. Not a mirror? Brutal.

All right. You're going to do the thing, Craig? Alexander Madison. He just did it. There you go. Sing. Alexander Madison. Yeah, he puts it into it.

Okay. Receiver, D.C. Your number one receiver this week. I can't wait for you to say that this guy's not available. Jalen McMillan, Buckaneers, 45% roster ship on Yahoo. Is he out there? Dare I say Jalen McMillan is like a legitimate

fantasy playoff, like, winner. Right. He should have had 20 plus points in that game. He could have had a second touchdown. Yeah, the 50-yard touchdown got intercepted. But like, he also a couple, yeah. He came alive in the fantasy playoffs. He never had a game with more than seven points

until week 14. Then he had 19, 16, and 14. This is like what Jerich McKinnon did for the Chiefs that one year in the playoffs. McMillan's kind of having like a watered down version of that. So if you got him, it sucks because I think a lot of people like myself added Jalen McMillan after Godwin went down.

And he was like a big wave-wire spend. People spent a lot of their option budget on him. And then he just kind of did nothing. And I think a lot of people dropped him again like I did. So it's been like a weird season for him, but he finally hit late. Rookie wide receivers. He just got confident. It's a funny thing.

He might be the best Washington wide receiver in the league. Yeah, I'll take McBillan if he's available. DK. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I said. Okay. Trivia. That's what I said.

That's what I said. That's the guy said. Listen next time. Okay, it is the Jalen McMillan showdown time. For all the marbles. One gong left. It's not for all the marbles. Oh, wait, it is because if Dek gets this.

Well, I could still tie. Craig could still tie, but Hyphitz would be eliminated. So right now, you guys are tied. Hyviths has to win to not be eliminated. Okay. Yeah. From the Cardinals going front and fourth and two. Okay. It's from Jason.

Jay. No, I lied. It's from James. James. No, I'm going to read Jason's. Good guy. Jason. Jason. Jason. Your conversation about the origin of the high five made me interested in some other greeting origins.

What is the year of the earliest documented handshake? Wow. Documented? Yes. Well, I mean, how else would they? No, I know. It's fair. So literally just like the first time somebody wrote down, two men shook, like put their hands together and, and. Well, don't know if they wrote it down. It could be a painting. Like, you just documented.

Yeah. An account. Man. What the fuck? Handshake. Handshake. I'm trying to picture like fucking Ridley Scott movies and stuff where they shaking hands in those movies. Can't remember.

Kingdom of Had they shooting? Shaking hands? The pyramids. They're shaking hands and gladiator, right? I always feel like they do the wrist. They did the, no, they did the arm shake. Yeah. You know, that's great.

Stricted honor. Does that, that doesn't count the arm grab? I didn't, I didn't actually, complicates things because I was going to guess way later now. I don't know, honestly,

if the, if the forearm shake, I think it's forearms arm, I don't know, I guess, they like spiritually, that's a handshake. I think that's a handshake.

When was the first, knuckle touch, you think? During the black plague, not trying to, trying not to like, you know, they did the elbow bump instead?

No, they didn't know that. You know what I mean? That's when they had the doctors with the bird masks and stuff. I know. It was a bad joke. You think Jesus was thrown around nucks? Fuck, this is hard.

Okay, let's see. I don't know, dude. Three, two, one. 200. What? Get the fuck. Are you guys kidding? Oh, that's really fun.

Wait, well, hold on. What did you say? B.C. or A.D. A.D. Yeah, that's what I was thinking to. All right, who's going to price it? That's incredible. Well, hold on.

What did Hyphen say? Heffitz, what did you say? Because if you get it wrong and we get it right, it doesn't matter for you. I said 2000 BC. Oh, wow. And I also thought about it for five seconds. It's the same thing I gave for the Springsteen. I said 2000.

Okay. That's why I'm not really thinking about this that much. Okay, so how are we going to do this? Craig, do you just want to pick over under? Someone take 201 or 199. Yeah. I'll take 199. All right.

The answer is 9th century BC. So hyphets 1 It's in play It's way older than I thought Wait you Ninth century BC which means what year Is it year 900 or like that's 900 right Yeah aren't aren't I

Are we sure I'm not closer? No it's 900 BC you said 200 AD Yeah but you said 2000 BC right Yeah so I'm like 1100 off and you're oh No it's close right you're like We're actually the same distance but I'm before Christ. I feel like spiritually

that's got to be the tiebreaker here. I bet you'd like that. What is the exact date? We need the year. This is the origin of the whole thing. Remember the order? We're just a century. What does that mean?

Wait, hold up. I'm going to look it up. One of you to explain the origins of trivia with the Nick Foll's Warren thing. I'm going to look up what the answer is. Do you remember the cities? I forget. It was Austin, Texas.

Detroit. Detroit. And what was the other way? I think. Was it L.A.? Yeah. We were trying to figure out. out what was closer, like

L.A. or Austin? Right? It was where was Nick Ful's born? Who can get closer? We'd look it up in miles and it turned out it depended like where in the city and was born in the street he lived on. So the earliest known depiction of handshake is an ancient Assyrian relief of the 9th century BC.

Give me a year. I'm trying. I'm trying to figure what this Assyrian tablets from. Give me a moment. Damn. Jesus. I'm looking at a Syrian king, Shalman Nisar the 3rd. Last century BC. Marduk, Marduk Zakir, shoot me the first to steal an alliance. Oh, the history of the handshake from history.

So if we just use 900 BC, I am 1,099 years away. And I think Hythitz is 1,100 years away. So I win by one year. Or just, you're 18, though? Here's the thing. If you give this away, we get the, there's better for content. Like, it's, you know, I. This is full circle.

This is like exactly, this is like almost equidistant apart. Better for content. I won. What are you talking about? I don't care if I said, if you said 2000? I said 2000.

And I said 199. So I believe I'm 1,000. 99 away and he's 1100 away. Yeah. That's what I'm getting. I'm like Michael Phelps, the fingertip. The fingernail over the finger

touching the wall. And I was exactly the same distance from Hyphitz. We all were exactly the same distance apart. No, you know what I am? It's not, You know what the problem is? 900 BC is the 800s.

Right. If it was one year, I was going to be like, come on, I'm fucking on the right side of Christ. So let's say it's 899. Fuck. What? Ninth century BC started on 900 and worked its way down to 800.

So I'm closer. That sucks. I wish it should have lied. I would have worked. So Craig, you have the lead. It would have been way better if it was a three-way tie. Just saying.

You want to just do that for fun? No, you fucking had your chance and you did it. No, it's just the two of you know. I don't want it. I don't want you to have it. So wait, are we saying, so ninth century BC, we're saying the year? Ninth centuries eight something, which I never, I like 899. From 900 to 801 is the ninth century BC.

Wait, we're going, you know what? I can't count back. I'm just going to assume. I'm moving up towards zero. I can't count backwards. Yeah, I think Craig's got it. Fuck. Craig got it by one.

One year? Holy shit. Does the year zero count as an extra year? Oh, that's a good take. It's a leap year. They didn't have leap years. If you factory in leap years, I probably make up four or five years here over those leap years.

Also, there's a whole great work. The best conspiracy theory that I don't believe, but it's fun to read about is that Charlemagne, or some king, not Charlemagne, some king changed what year it was because he wanted to be born in the year 1,000 for a prophecy that was wrong. He was just like, new year.

And there's a conspiracy theory that he deleted like 180 years of history to kind of round up. It's not true and it's definitely wrong, but it's a great idea. I like it. Anyway. It's a great idea.

Whatever, fine. So Craig, you get fucking chilling. Craig. But that sucks. I'm so mad. I'll take Rashad Bateman for the Ravens because he actually looks like he was a first round pick again. And I think his head screwed on straight now.

And he's, Lamar Jackson's good and the Ravens are good. And it's not ideal because he's playing Christmas Day. And if you have an injury, he's probably not great. But I do think that he's someone that you can trust if you have someone who's like out, out for this week. But now that he's saying, I probably should pick someone who's not playing on Wednesday of your week's week 17. But he is an option.

Bateman is like the Ravens Nick Westbrook-Kine now. By the way, scored again this week. We didn't talk about that. Yeah. It's just old hat now. We're just used to it. Okay, so we got McMillan, Bateman. This one is probably ill-advised, but Mark,

Markise Brown for the Chiefs. He only played 27% of the snaps, but he got eight targets, five catches 45 yards. I'm imagining that they're going to ramp him up even more going forward. He looked pretty good. So he could be an option

if you're really desperate, had injuries. They're at the Steelers. Or do they host the Steelers or at the Steelers? Craig. They're in, good question. They're in Pittsburgh.

They're in Pittsburgh. So that's not the ideal matchup you're looking for here. But the other one I'd say is just, again, Romeo Dobbs, who maybe is also rostered. But the one problem with Hollywood and Bateman is they're both playing at Christmas and that you like the spirit of this is like

if you have someone who's injured like you know you're probably going to stick them in flex in Sunday so I know that is the one challenge of the guys we're tossing out there um if you're playing ppr Wondell Robinson just a scam just absolute ppr scam what about uh anybody want to snag alamede Zakias two touchdowns kind of coming on to bring him up noah brown's on i are you could do worse playing atlanta yeah also ray ray ray mcloud speaking of Atlanta if if drake london misses time Ray Ray Ray McLeod is like the number two receiver on that team. Panics look pretty good. They play Washington.

Okay. Tight ends. Holy shit, Craig. I can't believe you got by one year. I know. Is this tied? Or is Craig? I'm tied with D.K.

Craig has 17. Oh, no, I'm up one on DK. Yeah. Okay. So tight ends. Chig. We should number one tight end this week, DK. Chig.

The return of Chig. Really? Chagosio. Dude, he's in 21 targets in the last two weeks. Man. He had 11 targets,

19 targets, nine catches, 81 yards, plus a two-point conversion. He's become a big part of this fashion game with Mason Rudolph, that quarterback.

The week before, last week, he had 10 targets. So, yeah, he's a huge part of this offense now. They're playing the Jags.

Yeah, the Jags suck. I'll give you that. I think my issue is this, like, they were down 30 points. I feel like the nine targets. Yeah.

It's mostly like they were down 30 points. And then I feel like the game script kind of made that happen. Who do you want, Isaiah, like you? Just burned by him. No, I would go Dalton

Schultz for the Texans, man. I didn't think he was eligible. I would go Dalton Schultz. Yeah, I mean, I think Dalton Schultz is a better play because if you have... Are we counting them? 56%. Oh, well, it depends where you look.

ESPN, he's like 44. But I thought you were... In Hyphitz's world, he's out there for you. I'm just saying, like... I thought you said that ESPN is less indicted of what... Dick, you just won Gus Edwards at 50. But that's fine with me.

You guys are the ones that are eliminating people, Willie, no. I said that we're just 48 on Yahoo. Okay. Well, Schultz, 44. I think at Schultz is out there, I think that... Okay, well, if Schultz is out there, I would go, Dalton Schultz. Okay. That's fair. You took the fucking trivia thing for me. Let me have this, Greg. All right. The goalposts move constantly about what percentages were allowed to grab guys on them.

That's what I was trying to say earlier. Talk about this offline. We'll talk about this later. Don't make me turn this car around. The basic thing with Dalton Schultz is so Nico Collins is the number one. Tank Dell is obviously out for the season. And then you have John Medi He is also injured, the guy who ran into... He says he should be back, though, I think, this next year. We'll see. It's Wednesday, like, he's banged up.

And John Metchie, frankly, is it, like, a super reliable player on this Texan's offense yet. You're not... And so, really, frankly, Donald Schultz is the number two receiver on this Texan's offense right now, and they're playing the Ravens,

whose past defense kind of sucks. So, if Schultz is out there, I think that he's big enough deal that you have to go get him. I agree. I would go with Schultz as well. And then Chig, and then... Dick, would you do Shultz if he was...

You know, since we could, you know, I'll bend the knee to your... Yeah, I would do Schultz probably. I don't want to put Chigacanquo in my starting lineup in my fantasy championship necessarily. So yeah. Cool. That's fair. Okay.

Okay. It's time, D.K. Hyvitz, you should pick the best one that you think is perfect for D.K. and I. It is the Dalton Schultz championship final showdown time. Can't believe we... Craig, we picked the same fucking number. That's so funny. Like that's how close this was. I have two here because I do have a tiebreaker.

Okay. I'm going to go. Okay. So we got it. Someone, I apologize, I don't know, I remember who this is,

but someone emailed in to remind me that. So Woody Johnson's son, Brick Johnson. Right. We realized his real name is Robert Wood Johnson. Yeah, Bob Wood. Well,

it's not Bob Wood. Someone pointed out, it's Bobby Trees, Johnson. Sure. Bobby Trees Johnson. Wow. And so this question here is from,

um, Jason. Oh, no, sorry, we just did Jason. Sorry, this is James. James. Jimmy. So we told the story about how Woody Johnson's son, Rick Johnson, his thoughts on Madden

statistics were equally weighed in what he, in the owner's mind, as what the front office thought about players. And one of them was Jerry Judy's Madden rating. And the other was John Simpson, the guard. They evaluated in free agency and signed and starts for the Jets now. His awareness rating.

The son did not like the awareness rating of John Simpson on Madden. So James's question is, as of week 15, how many NFL guards have a higher awareness rating in Madden than John Simpson? Can we know right now? What was John Simpson's awareness rating? Was it in the 70s? Do you want to know?

I guess it doesn't matter. I guess without knowing, but I also don't matter. It was 75, I think, or something? Yeah, how many guards have a higher awareness rating than John Simpson in Madden? Well, the purpose of this, the point that this person is trying to make makes me believe it's not many interesting I'm gonna go off my gut

three two one 19 oh Dika said 19 yeah Craig said six my gut told me eight I said six and Craig you're you're up one right well that's big time

it's real big time the answer is 23 which means we're tied so we have one question left here boys I'm thrilled because I got to tell you like that being the last gong of the year would have really gotten to me. I said 150.

150? I thought they were going to be. Are there that many guards in the NFL? I fucking assumed Woody Johnson's kid had scrolled through the awareness ratings of all the guards. I never occurred to me that he was whatever. See, that's what I thought it was the opposite.

I thought it was like sneakily this got John Simpson's rating was actually quite high compared to other guards. Yeah. All right. Yeah, he probably just speaks like six language. Okay, last. I've never even played Madden.

So the less you know about a game. Why I haven't played Madden since like the 90s. No, that's right. This was the new Madden. Like the Madden of those days didn't have awareness ratings. But this is where we realized that D.K. is exactly halfway in age

between us and Bill. Because D.K. played Tecmo Bowl, which was the first thing I learned about him that made me think he was actually old. I kind of was making fun of him. And then that's like an old thing. Wow. So you really,

you never played like Madden in the 2000s? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure the last time I played Madden was like in high school. Like John Madden was on the cover. The first Madden. Yeah. Okay.

All right, boys, this is big deal. This is for all the marbles. This is... Overtime. Sundance. This is just the trivia showdown time. Should I put a blindfold on? Oh, do it.

Get out your catana. Like Vince Vaughn? This is the last gong of the year, too. If everyone wants to just block in. Does that make me the other guy? What's this? White Goodbin? Yeah, white.

I'm white. W-H-I-T. E. E. Okay, go ahead. He's really doing it. all right Craig this gives the final showdown time right here

for we do it for all the marbles it is the final overtime sudden death showdown time can somebody pep talk me like patches you can do it you can do it

good luck bye bye bye bye bye bye bye because I like the taste of it this question is from Claire Claire inspired by the person who wrote in that their grandfather claimed he invented the jump shot. What year was the first recorded jump shot? Oh, interesting.

We don't mean in a, in a, like an official setting, right? Like a high school game where like stats were recorded. It's just like the first time somebody wrote down or took a picture of a jump shot? I don't know. Okay. The question is, what year was the first recorded jump shot? That's all the information I have. I'm trying to think, like, they didn't really jump before.

They just kind of do like a set shot. Yeah, I don't want to influence you guys. I had a lot of thoughts on this question. Let me tell you something. I think the blindfold's helping. You visualizing it? I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it jumpers.

See with your mind's eye. I actually don't even know, God, I'm an idiot. When did basketball really get off the ground? 40s? When did that guy put that peach basket up there? Ready? D.K.'s twiddly's twiddling his thumb. Now Craig is making me fucking rethink everything.

Hold on. You're white going to be. You're letting me have the ball. And you're like, uh, now I'm going to go. First recorded jump shot. All right.

Okay, who cares? I'm ready. You ready, Craig? Sure. Who cares? Three, two,

one. 1946. Ninety-10. 46. You said 1946 and Diki, what did you say? 1910. That's what I said.

The year my grandfather was born. 1934. Goate. Craig is the winner. Craig said what? Forty-Crag is the winner. One, 1946.

X, Craig. Winner! It is all the blindfold, baby. If I could see no way, I would have hit that. That fucking Chuck. What sweat like Grays Markies on here? Craig, it went to the trivia.

So the reason I went 1910, it was, the basketball was invented in 1891. I was like, I actually, late 1800s. I debated what in 1899. Yeah, but I bet you this was more about when it became more of an official sport. I like that they didn't think about.

Just set shots. Everybody did set shots for about four decades. To 40 years to figure out jumping. It was all just kind of like free throws. You just kind of run to a spot, stop and shoot. They were so fucking bad at basketball back then. I know. Dude, all the videos of like Bob Coosie dribbling with one hand.

Good job, Craig. Fucking comeback. Did I go three for three? It's down to the wire. I think you did. Did you what? I went three. No, D.K. won the last.

one. No, I did. No, we tie, I won the last one to tie it up. Oh, sure, sure, sure, right, right. Winner right's history. Already racing. God. Basketball was introduced in the Olympic

1904 games at St. Louis as a demonstration event. They did. A fucking jump shot 20 years later? It was first contested as a medal event in 1936. So it was like two years before that that we figured out the jump shot.

I bet Cloy's box could ball I feel like I'm wrong I mean I don't know it says high schools and colleges begin to introduce basketball by in 1905 ain't nobody jumping you're the jump shot

I don't know man it's all lamps they were playing the Chicago physicists and shirts physicians and surgeons man I don't know what's going on over there the plumbers didn't have good jumpers no all right so Craig you get Dalton Schultz DK I think tiebreaker

or goes to the runner. So who do you want if Dalton Schultz has gone? Who did you say earlier? You said, Jake Oconquo? Yeah. Okay.

I'll take Isaiah likely for the Ravens because I think he's good and it's better hands than Shig who can't catch and I'm biased. Yeah, I like those. Yeah, I think

Dalton, Shultz, Higby, and Oconquo. I think one of those guys are probably out there for you at a tight end. Quarterback? Quarterback's pretty tough. If you have Jalen Hertz,

obviously if Jailen Hertz comes back from the concussion you want to play him. If he does not, I think, I feel like, the guys that you got to look at are, dude, Caleb Williams versus Philly in 17. Sorry, yeah, Seattle.

I know why I said Philly. Right, because Jillette, Caleb Williams is playing Seattle. D.K., how do you feel about that matchup? Like, do you think that that's a good matchup for Caleb, a terrible matchup for Caleb? Probably somewhere in the middle. The Seahawks defense has played a lot better lately. But, I mean, they're probably not elite. Because I think the person I'd actually take over, Bryce Young, 27 fantasy points last week,

and they're playing the Bucks, which was to me like, oh, you might want to stash him against Carolina. Now you look at Carolina, and you're like, Carolina, they're the bad team with good vibes. Like, Bryce is throwing the ball. Like, I just watch Cooper Rush, like, dice up that buck's defense. Like, I'm not really afraid of the bucks right now, even with Vita Vaya healthy.

And I think you can totally stream Bryce Young, which is insane. And also, I kind of think you stream Drake, Drake May, if you need to, too. Drake May, the way he's running the ball. Like, you just got to pray for rushing touchdown. Like, you could do a lot worse than that, like Caleb Williams, Drake May, Bryce Young.

One of them is around. we're Anthony Richardson if someone got him. Would you either play Drake May or Anthony Richardson? I'd rather play Richardson because I think Richardson, they're rushing. He had the most design rushes of any quarterback this last week. It feels like it took 15 weeks, but they finally are like,

we're just not going to throw it. Yeah, I would play Anthony Richardson. If he, like, got you like seven points and you played Anthony Richardson, it would just be like classic, classic this year. Yeah, just the upside. He had 21 points this week. He had 27 a few weeks ago.

They're playing the Giants. Yeah. And the ones where he didn't do as well, It was like Denver where the defense is pretty great. Like I, yeah, exactly. Anthony Richardson for us the Giants, if he's available, I think it has to be number one if he's available. If not, Bryce Young's totally fine. Drake May is totally fine.

Caleb. So I think any of those guys, someone, one of those people is available. Defenses, bills are playing the Jets. Jets had nine points last week versus the Rams. I think the bills are totally live. Chargers are playing the Patriots in Drake May. I love Drake May, but I do think that the turnovers are a thing. I know Drake Mays, a lot of his interceptions are kind of like bobbled passes off the hands of the Patriots,

but I still think that could be a big turnover. Saints are playing the, Raiders. I don't know the Saints have played tonight. Not a ton of, it's like a little dangerous when you have like a bad team late in season. But dude, Aden O'Connell, I'm not afraid of him. The other, probably the best one though, is dolphins are playing the Browns with Dorian Thompson Robinson or the Colts defense. Probably not. But the Colts defense versus the Giants. I mean, Falcons went 26 points or whatever, depending on you do defensive scoring. Like the Falcons swung a lot of leagues last week. So anyone you can get first the Giants. Drew Locke's probably going to get benched though. They're going to call MRI or whatever. I think they're lying. I think that they're saying they want. him to go away. Yeah, but isn't he the reason they're losing? That's, well, yeah, that's my fear. They're going to play Tommy DeVito.

So I think that, like, that's the thing. The quarterback changed. Like, it's not, Drew Locke's automatic fantasy points for the defense. So the Giants are not as, but if the Colts are still around, it still take the Colts versus Tommy DeVito. But Dolphins versus Dorian Thompson,

I think is probably the best thing out there with the Browns. But those, all those defenses are live. Okay. Kai, yeah, come pick, your last team here, Kai. Hey, guys. A team stinks.

Yeah. Your team stunk last week, too, unfortunately. We went with, well, Kendry Miller could still, I guess, have 40 points. We'll see. D.K., you're currently in last with 15.4 points. You had McMillan, Jalen McMillan and Brenton Strange. And Kendry Miller, TBD. So we'll see. Go frogs. Craig came in second, at least as of now. Taijee Spears, Jalen Koker, and Joanne Johnson still to play 21.9 points. A solid outing.

And then Hyphitz is currently inverse. Ford, Romeo Dobbs still to play, and Dalton Schultz, 34.6 points. So, yeah, we're in last DK, but still go for out because Kendry Miller's going to have 30 tonight. Do you have season long? You never know. You never know.

Do you, Kai? Do you know, like, who won? Okay. Unfortunately, I'm not good at my job, so don't have that. Maybe next year. There's always next year. We should thought of that. I like how the whole thing for our show is like, we just decide not to keep track of

anything. Except trivia. You're right. Like we remember. We did. Look at that. You know, it's a great photo finish.

Yeah. This week I'm going to go with Craig. I mean, it feels pretty obvious. He had Michael Carter, Jalen McMillan and Dalton Schultz. And then Hyphids, you had Gus Edwards,

Rashop Bateman, Isaiah likely, D.K., Alexander Madison, Hollywood Brown, and Chig Oconquo. So, I'm going to go with Craig.

So hopefully I end on the win, you know. Wait, did I went, Don't Shultz? I thought I lost Tide End, and then we went into the OT. I went off of what Hyphitz said. the first one, I thought.

No, I won the first two. No, because we eliminate, Hyfitz won one, I thought, and then we eliminated him after that. Maybe I'm misremembering. Oh, I think I won the first one, yeah. No, Bruce Springsteen, I won. Oh, yeah, Craig won the first one, yeah.

And then the second one was when they invented handshakes, I won that. And then I won one. And then you won the one about... Yes, D.K.'s Dalton Shultz. D.K.'s. Oh, okay. Well, as Kai said, he's about his job. He's throwing you under the bus. You know, you said Donald Schultz for...

We can run the tape. You know, we got it. No, they did say. that we just kind of fucked it up when we were choosing. Okay. Cool. Well, I'll still go, but I'll swap it. Thanks, Kai.

Thanks, Kai. Merry Christmas, you filthy animal. All right, this email is from Matt. Mattie. Honestly, this is just like a good point. Someone made, and I wanted to give him credit. He said, I don't disagree with anything you guys have said about what's wrong with the Texans, but I think one thing you haven't discussed is that these teams are overperforming when they have a bad schedule coming back to Earth the next year when they have a good schedule.

He's right, and we should have to have talked about that enough. Totally right. Yeah. The league is designed and set up to push teams back to 8 and 8. Now it's 17 games. And if people don't know what we're saying, if you come in last in your division, you get to play the other teams who came in last place in the conference. So you have like three games.

So like it's the difference between the bills playing the chiefs where the bills playing the Raiders. Like that's. And so anyway, yeah, good call. Good call, Matt. Also Blake emailed in. Blake. Just wanted to shout out. I was listening to your Sunday show.

while run one rep maxing on bench at the gym and I almost dropped it and died when Craig compared a defensive end or defensive cornerback intercepting a pass in the end zone to a one night stand with Margar Robbie. Almost killed him. We've gotten a couple of those people

who said they're bench bench pressing while listening to the show. Terrified we're going to kill someone. He didn't want to give the weight? I didn't ask. You want me asking? Let's follow. I don't know.

He's one rep maxing out. And his name's Blake? I'm giving him. fucking 275. Yeah, I was going to say. Blake sounds ripped. Blake is strong. Blake probably wrestled in high school.

Any like one syllable name? Yeah. It's like you can lift. All right. This one's from Noah. Noah. No. We were trying to figure out

what the punishment should be for like a delay of game if it actually gets to zero seconds whereas football has a shot clock where they light it up and there's a horn and we do nothing in football.

Right. Get to delay of zero seconds. And Noah says, Have you ever seen Squid Game? They figured it out. Sadly, I have not seen Squid Game. I know everybody. I think I kind of get where he's going with this.

Luckily, if the play, so he explained it. If the play clock hits zero, then the quarterback dies. Okay. Or electrify the ball so the center is snapping a live shot. That's an idea. They can't let go of the ball. Ball gets electrified. That would kind of help too because I feel like most of the guys getting electrocuted

would just be the shittiest quarterbacks, you know, so it would be fine. The issues are going on the road. Like, my homes isn't getting. Goya games. I love that. Should I watch Squid Game? I actually haven't seen it either. I haven't either, no.

Oh, it's the most popular show in the history of Netflix. Or maybe that's Wednesday, but yeah. It seems super violent. The season two's coming back. Hyfit says after he tells me how much he loves Peaky Blinders, it just seems violent. But you can't be watching that.

I love Peaky Blinders. I know, that's my point. You don't think Squint game looks more violent than Peaky. Peaky blinders, There's like five people get killed at every episode of Pee Bliner's probably. Yeah, it's sick, though. Is this a squid game like, like, is it like poor people battling for their lives? It's like, it's like a Mr. Beast game show, but people die.

Yeah. I haven't seen it. I just assume. Like, is it like Hunger Games? Yeah. I think it's a little like Hunger Games. Yeah. But there's squids everywhere or something.

Yeah. No, I, I, for how much of a like a phenomenon? Squid Game was, I actually know very little about it. Well, I'm just like, I, it's tough for me for my relaxation with television to be like, like, I can't do horror movies and like I don't like scary shit. And like even like the third season of like true detective, I just found deeply not relaxing. Like I just, I don't know. I can't.

There's already enough football and the idea that I'm going to spend my life free time watching people get fucking murdered to bits stuff. Yeah. Piki Blinders. Great show though. Yeah. Piki blunders is sick. No, that's different.

In the words of Kevin Clark, that's a show about jackets. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kyle. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, awesome. Thank you, everyone for sticking with a trivia. Thank you, everyone to email this trivia all year. We really appreciate it. And if you sent it, we didn't use it, I thank you so much. I have a big old doc with a bunch of questions. Congrats, Craig. Yeah, congrats, Craig.

Thank you. A free dinner for me. Where are I going to make you guys take me? I don't know. Email us a ringer fantasy football, g-milled.com for what we should put the stakes on this for next season. And if it's good, I'll cheat. No one. Thank you, Lord. Lauren. Thank you. Electric Light Orchestra.

Oh, yes. Hell yeah. Evil woman. Jackie put me on the Electric Light Orchestra. Don't bring me down. Don't bring me down. I don't know. Why are they called that?

Weird name. Sounds like it made Christmas music. I feel like the 70s were like big. Like the Who lasers. Like it's part of the show. Electric Light Orchestra is just so interesting. But I feel like Electric Lights at concerts was actually knew when they were out. Like, like, I remember my mom always tells me, like, the Who

in concert was fucking crazy, like, because of the lasers. Like, what we take for granted now with, like, a EDM show is like crazy. Wouldn't that be like, just like calling a movie CGI? You're just naming the technological advancement as the name of your band? Yeah, you know what movies were called? Motion Pictures. I know, but this is the name of, that'd be like if the name of a movie was motion picture. The group's name is a pun that references both electric light and light orchestral music. Oh, light orchestra. Oh, so I was super wrong.

Electric light orchestra. Two of the people that formed it had a desire to create modern rock and pop songs with a classical influence. Ah, cool. Don't bring me down. Mr. Blue Sky, another great one. Oh, that's a great song. Running down the avenue. I wonder, Blue Sky, Mr. Blue Sky is one of the songs that,

sneakly might cross the widest cross section of age, just because it's like also Guardians of the Galaxy. I know. I was going to say it reminds me of Guardians, the Galaxy a lot. The first Guardians had such a great soundtrack. I feel like that did introduce a lot of people to old stuff, AD's music.

I'm going to give some advice here to anyone who needs to impress any older people if you ever find yourself DJing for like your, for example, if you're at Christmas and you have to DJ, I guess Christmas is different, but if you ever have to DJ for you, like, your significant other's family, just put on the Guardians of the Galaxy playlist,

and it's just all the best music from the 70s and 80s. And I think a great life hack is, like, if you're younger and you show any appreciation for anything that happened before you were born, older people like you. Yeah, throwing a hooked on a feeling. Yeah. Hooga jaka,

who go, who go, who got chaka. I was listening to a lot of the Guardians of the Galaxy playlist when I was painting the inside of my house. So that's just like the first thing I think of is painting. Maybe not the best thing ever. It's all right. It's kind of cool. A little nostalgia.

When I painted the old place I lived in, I listened to the big booty mixes from two friends. Nice. Great. I love when you have memories assigned to when you listen to something. Yeah, yeah. Take you back to that moment in time. When I lived in New York, I listened to Anderson-Pax album Malibu constantly when I was walking everywhere at night. So that's all I think about, which is ironic because it's called Malibu, and I think of New York.

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