The Ringer NFL Show - Week 18 Recap: Pats Fire Jerod Mayo, Sam Darnold Sees Ghosts, DangeRussly Bad Steelers, and Early Playoff Reactions

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 18 action by going through categories such as “Intrusive Thoughts,” “Play of the Day,” and “The Lucille Bluth Award” (2:17). Along the way, they react to the finalized playoff matchups and the 2025 draft order (10:36). Object Permanence All-Stars (48:52) Thanks-For-Nothing Guys (50:46) Intrusive Thoughts (55:27) Play of the Day (59:03) The Tyrique Stevenson Worst Play of the Day (65:06) Arthur Smith Award (67:47) Worst Ref Moment (69:05) The Lucille Bluth Award (74:08) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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right on the Ringer NBA YouTube channel. He gives Mike's pointing away from him. I thought I'm supposed to speak through the beam, not at the mic. No, you want the beam to hit you in the mouth. How's that? Looks better. It did look kind of pointing away from me. It was just pointing away directly away. I was under the impression you were supposed to speak through the beam. So that's why I was mixed. What do you mean? Like throw your voice through it?

Yes, the waves of my voice go through the beam. It's easier to do that if the beam is pointing at you. No, then you're speaking directly into the beam. That would be like if your mouth was the mic and the mic was talking, that would make sense. We've been doing this for five years and I just figured out you have to point the mic at your mouth. What did you? What did you think? Your Fantasy Football Show.

My name is Danny Hyfordx. I'm joined by Danny, Kelly, and Craig Corralbike. Dicke just learned how to use a microphone that was really fun. We are going to go over all the games from week 18 of the regular season, which is over, by the way, which is absolutely crazy. We're going to go through the games, the playoff matchups, a little taste to the draft. We're going to go over like a bunch of more coaches. I'm sure we'll be fired tomorrow. Dek has a mock draft coming out this week.

We'll hit more coach firings on Monday. We'll talk about what we know so far. Random players, Mike Evans, contractist, sometimes we'll get over. everything, but right now, Lions Vikings just ended D-K, now that you know which way the microphone is supposed to go. Right. Were you more impressed with the lions

or did you get more of the ick from Sam Darnold from this Sunday NFL football game? Honestly, like the Vikings, it felt like the Vikings just blew so many opportunities in this game was one of those things where they could have competed, I think, to the end in this game and could have made it a close game. But there was several deep

red zone trips they made where they either got just a field goal. or, you know, they ended up turning the ball over on downs or whatever. And then they also had that pick six. Andrew Van Gingold just dropped what would have been an easy pick six. There's just so many opportunities in this game for them to, like, stay in it, play better. I thought Donald played pretty poorly for most of the time. Yeah, so it just felt to me more like a failure from the Vikings.

Obviously, the lions are just kind of like one of those teams that just grinds you to dust. And eventually they were, they just took over the game. But that was my initial impression is that the Vikings kind of just, they just, they just shot themselves in the foot too many time. Yeah, the Vikings are doing everything in their power now. Now everyone's going to be off the Darnold train for the playoffs. And I don't know if I am or not. I can't tell.

So now the Vikings are going to be going to L.A. to play the Rams. Donald was terrible today. This is the worst game of the year. Just kept overthrow. This was his worst game in terms of missed. I think it was like off target throws the most since he had that scene ghost game. The scene ghost game, yeah. They met, I don't know.

I didn't hear Collinsworth or Tarico talk about it, but he had his pinky taped up. on his throwing hand the whole game. Did they mention that? I don't remember that mentioned it. They didn't really talk about it. Yeah, which I thought was a little odd. Like he had this massive piece of tape

going from his pinky all the way to the other side of his hand. And maybe that had something to do with it. But he was missing the entire game tonight. It was weird. I mean, so the Lions won 31 to 9. That scores burned in my brain because that was the Chiefs Buccaneer Super Bowl

when the Chiefs got the shit kicked out of him. So I just think of that game. I don't know. It feels appropriate because that is what this felt like. Although it's funny because you're right, Craig, that like this will be used. Actually, I don't remember which one of you said that. whatever you just five seconds ago was like this will be used as like anti-darnold.

Oh, they shouldn't actually pay darnold. Like don't even bother. Just move on. This is like, oh, like night before the wedding. Cold feet. Yeah, exactly. But it's funny because it comes down to like a handful of plays. And on one hand, it's representative maybe because you're like, oh, when you're back,

you know, where's the drop back passing? On the other hand, I'm like, well, shit. They were inside the 12 yard line. I think they started, they basically went 0 for 12 on scoring a touchdown inside the 12 yard line. Like there was a point where I'm picking the 12th yard line. randomly, but like they basically came away with six points inside the 12 on their first 12 plays, which is like crazy. And the amount of plays where it's like Darnold is for some reason hitching and like not

pulling trig on a Jordan Addison play where it's a pick play. And then they had three straight targets of Justin Jefferson where it should have been a pick. And then it's Justin Jefferson kind of dropping it. And then he was overthrowing Jefferson. But I'm like any of those plays hit. And then suddenly the game's really different. And you're right.

Like Andrew Van Ginkle for the Vikings is out here like crushing Gibbs to begin the game. Oh my God. You know, and then he's like almost pick-sicking a screen. But then by the end of the game, Javier Gibbs ends this game with, I can't even count what he ends his... Four touchdowns. Four touchdowns.

180 yards or something. And yeah, we're 140 yards rushing. And they had another 30 yards receiving. So he has four touchdowns of this game. I believe 19 on the season. And frankly, he looked like... 20, yeah, sorry, because he had the fourth. He had, he looked like the best back in the league today.

Yeah. I was thinking about this, like, from a fan point of view obviously there's so much discussion every year about like the true value of running back I don't want to get into that right now from a fan point of view yeah I'm the most jealous of the lions

because Gibbs is maybe the most fun player to watch in the NFL I know like Jamar Gibbs or sorry Jamar Chase probably would be like 1A 1B with Gibbs in terms of like if I could choose one skill player to come play on my team it would probably be one of those two guys who would you guys put at the top of that list

oh man if the Giants could get a player like Sequin Barkley. Oh, that'd be so cool. God, how'd be? Do you imagine? I'm good. I'm happy with George Pickens. I think kind of... Pet Fire Meuse? Behavior-wise, everything's good. I don't know, Jamar Chase. I think it's awesome. Bejohn, I think is awesome.

I found out this week, or last week, that Bejohn wants to be an actor, which I didn't know about. Dude, yeah, he's, yeah, this is, I feel weird about this. Bejohn Robinson really, really wants to act. He's like taking acting lessons. He has an acting coach. He has roles set up for the summer. He was on... What did he appear? It appeared on a TV show. Not like I Carly,

but it was something like that. Yeah. I thought that's cool. And like he's, oh, we actually may or may not have taken a bunch of notes of this. Do you want me to pull up these notes? I randomly have on him.

Yeah. Here, wait. D.K., while he's looking that up, the other guy is also on the Lions. I love a Monorau St. Brown.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The Lions are just so much fun. Leporta. Jameson Williams. He took over a thousand yards. What did he get today? He was close.

He did, right? Isn't that why you passed him at the end of the game? Oh, wow, yeah. I don't know how we got on this, but my notes on Bison Robinson wants to be an actor, loves the godfather. He started acting in college. He took fundamentals of acting when he's at Texas.

Shout out to his professor Babbs Chisholm. And he thought about studying abroad, which for like an actual NFL prospect at Texas is crazy. That would be so interesting. Yeah. Like I don't think I've, I mean, maybe outside of over the summer. I don't play it like I was doing that. German League.

Well, he do it in the spring, right? Get away with it. I don't know. I don't think so. But so anyway, so he met Matthew McConaughey. And Matthew McConaughey told him, you don't act for the camera. It's behaving.

He's like, it's behaving in front of the camera. And you let the camera catch you. And Bijan Robinson was like, hell yeah. He's like, what? Yeah. Oh, he was in the outer banks.

You're high. You're high, man. Yeah, and apparently they still text all the time, McConaughey and Bijon. Anyway, so yeah, I'd rather have Jamir Gibbs. than Bichon Robinson. Javier Gives seems to like his job. But wait, the other thing I have to say about the line.

So again, I can't say enough about this Lions team. We're going to talk about them a lot over the playoffs. They deserve the one seed. If they would have lost this game, it would have felt wrong. Them being a wildcard five seed going to L.A. to play the ramp, it just wouldn't have made sense. They deserved it all season, all the injuries, they fought through it. They got, like, three more entries in this game.

They're running out of players. Yeah. So to Ryan, so Toronto, the defensive back, they drafted in the first round, which was also sick because, remember, we were in Detroit. and he came out to the stage. It was sick. And then they had Levi, oh, God, Owen, I can say his name.

Owen Werzerike. Okay, nice. They got Anzolone back, which was nice. Anzolone, the Targaryen. One of their offensive lines of the time of the team. One of their offensive, one of their offensive, too. Yeah, so Kevin Ziegler,

another, do you know how many good former New York Giants are crushing it this season, including Kevin Zitler, who was there like four years ago? That's the Oakland A's experience. You're like, oh, that guy's an all star on the Yankees. Oh, that guy's an all star on the Red Sox. I mean, that's like the Mariners, too.

Craig and I, I think, have similar, like, baseball background in terms of like... I'm like, oh, cool. Josh Donaldson won an MVP with Toronto. That's awesome. It's so fun to see all our former great players go play for the Yankees. Yeah, they used to money. That's awesome. They used to have the thing of, like, Derek Jeter, you could fill out a starting nine with, like, his former girlfriends that were celebrities.

It's like, I could just have a great all-pro team of just former Giants. Anyway, there was something I noticed in this game about the Lions. I don't think I'd realize before, which is the offensive... You know, like, on defense, the defenders, like, swarmed to the ball. but on good defenses they like really swarmed to the ball like a lot of defensive show up the lions of the first team I've ever watched where the offensive linemen swarm to the guy with the ball and if they're not blocking anyone they hit the guy forward do you ever worry do you ever worry about their own running back just getting squished

yes like it's not just the goal like the lion pancake cut he got squished they are hitting jimir gibbs from behind like every other play they're Paisal is just like rocking him Like even on like second down in the middle of the field, like they're crushing him forward. Right to the kidney. God, yeah, his bruises must be crazy.

But anyway, yeah, no, this felt like the right outcome. And also, yeah, they did kick the shit out of the Vikings. And also,

you know what? Let's be real. The Vikings are a fun team and outside the Lions that would be a fun of root for the Vikings. But like, let's be real. The darn old versus,

this is not even close. The lions are America's team. Let's be honest. So, okay. So let's, I mean, you want to just go over the playoff matchups and everything right now.

Let's just do it. Vikings will do it darnal, but realistically, like, let's just see what happens. I mean, it matters whether they win a playoff game or not. So starting, so the Lions have a buy, thank God. Also, just the Lions home field, but the Ford Field becoming this incredible atmosphere, amazing place to play. It should be through Detroit. So I'm happy Detroit is the one seed in the buy.

So the first game here, Eagles are going to host the Packers. The Eagles backups, I mean, they beat the Giants 2013 in the game. It didn't really matter. So this is a rematch of the, not the first game of the year, the second game of the year. This is the rematch of the Packers Eagles Brazil game on the ridiculous turf, which I loved at her at the end. And the whole thing was like a wash anyway. First of all, before we even talk with this game, how did you guys feel? I am obviously biased.

D.K., how did you feel about the Eagles not playing Seekwon this week to not get him the rushing record and just like basically sitting him to rest for this game? How many yards did he need like 110? Like 100 and change. Like 100. Yeah. I'm fine with it personally. because number one, like the record is not as important as winning the Super Bowl

and they are a legit Super Bowl contender. Number two, and this is actually, I think, maybe more like rational. It's the 17 game season now. Like he was going to get the record with one extra game.

Like, but every record's going to be like that. I know, but like in this specific case, like it's stupid. Like, who cares? Like, keep him healthy for the playoffs.

Fewer carries, though. A lot of Eagles fans, I know where like it's fewer carries who cares if it's, if it's more games. I don't mind it either. I didn't have, I didn't care at all.

I think if you needed 20 yards, I would have played him, but I was like, 110 yards. You're gonna have to give this guy like, maybe 20 carries. That's kind of a lot. I think the argument got made.

It's a perfect example of, with Tanner McKee out there, throwing passes. Yeah, it's a good example of if you play them and it gets hurt, then people like us are going to be like Nick Seriana,

you're going to get fired. And honestly, you know what that happened with? The Packers, who the Eagles are playing with this weekend. I think Jordan loves fine, but he heard his throwing hand in this game. Christian Watson came back from injury, played.

He didn't get carted off, but he walked to the sideline and then like got carted away from the sideline. Not great. I do think the Packers' offense is, I would say, noticeably different when Christian Watson is healthy or not and not offense this season. You say this every year. What team is going to the Super Bowl? It's the one that gets healthy at the right now. Yes. Or the lions.

Or the lions. Or the lions. Keep finding randos to like fill in and they're still juggernaut. It's crazy with the lions. But yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, the Packers, one, blew this game to the Bears 24, 22 to Chicago. I can't believe Chicago walked through with the win.

It's weird. I don't know. Maybe it's good, Matt Liff-Ler to get humbled on game management at the end going to the playoffs. Maybe it's actually a good thing. But I, I'm torn because I think the Eagles beat the Green Bay. But I also, I would way rather be playing Washington or Tampa Bay than Green Bay, personally, if I'm in Philly fan. Like, I don't feel awesome about this game. Yeah.

It spreads like three points. What do you, Craig, what is your gut right now? Well, in general, I thought the whole thing was weird. I actually thought it was odd that the Rams didn't play their starters in this game because the Rams now had to play the loser of the Vikings and the Lions. They're not playing the Vikings. But had the Rams won, they would have been the three seed and they get to play the commanders at home. And they basically gave up to play the Lions of the Vikings.

The Rams played your Seahawks, D.K. And then what are the square that means? They almost won the game with Jim McGroplow. We don't need to talk about that. I don't understand why they didn't play. I know McVeigh is like a big sit-your guys. Coach, but I don't know why they didn't try to fight for the three seed and get the commanders at home. I mean, it's a no-brainer.

Rookie commander's team instead of the Vikings who they've already lost to or the Lions? Yeah, so for context, the Rams clinched a playoff spot last week, which I kind of don't think we talked about enough. And that's probably my fault. But like the Rams won nine of their final 11 games incredibly, even though everyone was hurt. So like they clinching a playoff spot a week, it was crazy. And then basically, as Craig saying, winning or losing today was the difference between playing the loser of this Sunday football game. but if the Rams had won, yeah, playing Washington or the Tampa Bay. And I'm like, there's a huge quality difference.

So McVeigh is, and again, to your point, Craig, McVeigh invented this whole, like nobody plays in the preseason anymore. Like McVe did that. McVe, his answer was pretty badass. He was asked, why did you not care about the opponent? And McVeigh's answer today was, we respect all but fear none. And I'm kind of like, that sounds cool until you're like 10-point dogs to the lions.

You get boat race? I don't know. He got so lucky that the Lions won this game. I mean, the Vikings are still a tough out. But man, I don't know. I thought that was actually like his weirdest coaching decision in a long time. It is weird. I mean, I guess he's basically saying,

I will take healthy Stafford versus everybody as opposed to getting banged up Stafford versus anybody. But it is, I don't know. This is weird because I do feel like the Rams above all other teams, maybe in the NFL are like the biggest house of cards. if they lose like one of their key players that all falls apart. But yeah, this is wild.

The Vikings won 14 games. And they decided they're going to play one of these two teams. No, Dicke, I think you're nailed it. I think the thing with NFL teams sometimes is, I think about this so much, but so much, there's so much complexity with the decision making, but then you break through everything

they're considering. But on the other end, it's like things way larger in their minds than you think about. And you're so right, DK, you know what Sean McVeigh is probably thinking about? How fucking whole. horrible September and October were when it was just Cooper Cups hurt and Fuku Duku is hurt and

Alarick Jackson suspended and Havenstein's hurt and like I mean I can't even name it like but like the Rams Bo Limmer became one of the more experienced players of that goddamn Rams line like the Rams I think they had nine combinations of offensive linemen in the first nine eight nine weeks of the season like it was and I think that McVe was like that sucked and I like the same with the Eagles thing actually I think at its core the Eagles did not play Sequin because I believe, and I could correct me on this if I'm wrong, email me. AJ Brown got hurt in the final week of the season last year, and they didn't have them for the wild card game.

And it's the same way they're like the Niners, like the Achilles tendonitis with McCaffrey. Why is he on IR? Well, Drey Greenlaw had Achilles tendonitis in the playoff run, and he tore his Achilles walking under the goddamn feel in the Super Bowl. And it's like, those, the thing that happened most recently, like lingers big in these teams' minds. So I do think McVeigh is probably thinking about how fucking awful September in October was when he's making a decision.

But we'll see. Like if they lose in the wild card round, it's kind of, you know, also waging you all off season. I kind of like this, yeah, I don't know.

It's one of those things where it's like you're trying, it borders on like trying to almost getting too cute, trying to figure out who you're going to play in the playoffs. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't, I don't necessarily want to face Washington. I don't want to fucking face Jane Daniels.

You know what I mean? Like he's a nightmare to defend. Not that, I don't think they're as good of a team, but he's an absolute nightmare to defend. And so. I don't know. It's one of those things where it's like, careful what you wish for.

I kind of can see both sides. I can see why McVeigh did this. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, the Vikings are clearly like a superior overall team. I mean, it looks, I guess the decision looks better now because the Vikings just looked like crap. Maybe Sam Donald's hurt.

He heard his end of the game as well. Oh, my God. Yeah, that was, yeah. So also, wait, can I admit something, you guys? I couldn't believe that time has just so, warped in my brain. I have lost all since the time. When they showed in the graphic

during this Rams Seuix game that Jimmy Garoppel had like played a lot last year, I couldn't believe that. That Jimmy Gropel had like made starts. I completely forgot that as recently as like he started the season for the Raiders, right?

The Raiders and Josh Daniels. I was like, I was racking my brain to be like, wait, which teams are you? If you had asked me how long the Antonio appears they had been going on. I'm like, oh, yeah, since like 20, 22, 20, 23 or whatever. Like, I, I don't know. That just felt, I couldn't believe that

we were doing Jimmy Garoppolo on the Raiders like 11 months ago. I, I, totally, anyway. Time has no meaning anymore. Don't you feel like he's been gone for much longer than that? Yes, yes. I don't know. I couldn't believe that. Anyway, um, so wait, let's keep. Anyway, the Rams back.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's the NFC. So the Eagles are hosting the Packers. The Rams are hosting the Vikings, which again, a 14 and 2, 14 and 3 team, the Vikings team going to the Lakers team going to the L& LA. And the last one is the Bucks are hosting Washington, which is a rematch of the Taylor Heineckee game a few years ago, which is the only team that really gave Tom Brady a run in that first Bucks game, which Taylor freaking Heineke for Washington. So the Bucks win the N.F.C. South today, which, I mean, that game alone was hilarious because before the Mike Evans' contract

incentives and before Baker ends up winning the game, the Bucks are kind of getting rocked by the Saints. Like, they won 2719, but the Bucks couldn't move the ball on the Saints for like half the game. Yeah, I got really scary there for a moment. Division games, man. You just never know what to expect from division games. Look, the Rattler and the Rizzler, they get a little frisky in January in the New Year. We knew that. We knew that going into this game. Hi, Vitz, I want to go through the days these teams are playing the wild card because I believe, I don't know if this is accurate. Double-check me. The Texans are playing Saturday. They're the first game. They're playing at 430 Eastern. Every Texans wildger game. Oh, you saw that?

Yeah, every single Texans wildcard game ever has been at 4.30 Eastern on Saturday. That's crazy. What's the, speaking of that, they just stick the Texans team in there. I'm like, this would be the worst team to go to Super Bowl. I really hope they don't like all of a sudden get hot just by like playing ball control, slow, boring-ass offense. What's the, what's the worst Super Bowl matchup that's now on the board? Oh, that's fun.

The worst matchup is the last matchup you want to see? The matchup you do not want to see. It would definitely be like Tampa Bay versus Pittsburgh. Well, my friend, my friend threw out Broncos versus Vikings, I think. Like, it's just like a boring game. It's the Steelers is definitely the team. I do not want to watch three more Steelers games. Hear me out.

Hear me out. Is it Chief's Eagles? Yeah. I'm good on that. I think I would actually take Buckingier Steelers. You're so right. Chiefs Eagles being like. just hearing like two more weeks of like

Sequin on the Eagles and my homes is good. I remember when James Bradbury held at the end of the game? I'm like, oh my God, spare me. That might be dead last. I might take Bo Necks first, Baker Mayfield over that. Yeah, that would be fun.

These Baker would get a couple weeks. That'd be fun. Yeah, so the Bucks, the best part of this whole game was the Mike, was after the Bucks had somehow secured the win, then getting the ball back and getting Mike Evans like eight more yards for no reason just to get him over that.

And they celebrate. I've never seen someone celebrate more. They were happier to make to do that than make the playoffs. They're just sobbing on the field. Mike Evans better share that money. $3 million. Well, let me ask you, I guess he is a great agent because, man, why would you allow Mike Evans to get $3 million every time he hits 1,000 yards? He does it every goddamn year.

That's quite the bonus for something he always does. I will say the list, as dumb as it is a little to chase this number. And again, it's been watered down where it used to be at 12 game season at 14 and 16 out 17. Well, Listo is pretty crazy. It's just Hall of Famous. It's like tying Jerry Rice and anything over longevity is pretty crazy. Yeah, absolutely. Can I give you guys my intrusive thought on the day?

Please. Yes. I think we've gone a little too far with the incentive stuff. I think maybe they're trying to drum up interest in a really boring week 18. I'm sure that's what it was. My God, Shepter being like, Kyle Van Nuoy needed two sacks to get 250,000. I'm like, first of all, who cares? Second of all, I'm like, all these guys are rich.

I don't care when one of them gets an extra $200,000 because he makes a sack or not. I think it's actually quite weird to be like, if he gets one more interception, he gets $500,000. Like, this is a game show I'm watching. Yeah, it's like a real-life Mr. Beast is doing this. I think it's like very weird. I don't like it.

It is funny to have, like, if Michael Parsons can come out and get two sacks, we'll give him $1 million. Yeah, I don't know. there's something about it that's so odd. And like the teams are going for it. And it's like the coaches designing plays around it. I don't know. The teams that have nothing to play for are just trying to force the ball to these guys to get them a bonus.

I mean, it's like I don't, I'm happy for the guys show. You know what? It's like a Mr. Beast game show, but only rich people are competing. Yeah. It's only rich people try to get more money. I will say generally, Craig, I very much agree with you. But the one caveat is, Gino Smith today made $6 million. by hitting three.

He hit three separate two million dollar escalators on his contract. So he hit win 10 games and you get an extra 2 mil. I think it was over 70% completions on the year. You get 10 mil, which he hit. And fuck, what was the third one? Sorry, two mil. Yards. It was his total yards.

And he hit all three of them. He made $6 million. I don't mind that these incentives exist. I'm happy for Gino getting his 6 million, but making such a public display of it where in every game, there's like three incentives, live incentives that you're watching. It's like going to Wall Street and be like a completely sport. I just made a great trade.

Like, cool, man. Like, I don't care. You're fucking rich. 10th is out before the stock market. What was that coin we found out about like Piss coin? What was it? Yeah, Pisc coin. Piscoy and Fartcoin have outproduced like the last hundred years of the stock market.

So anyway, look, I'm happy for Mike Evans. That's all well and good. But you're probably right. I think I had the exact same time. I think this is what happens. I'm supposed to care about this? This is overkill. Were there 13 back?

up quarterbacks today. It was like preseason quality football today. Oh, that was my that was my intrusive thought. I was like, and this is not like a wild take at all even remotely, but like it felt very pronounced today that the 16 game season was the sweet spot. So much better. So much better than the 17 game season. Buckle up, D.K.

Get ready to learn 18. They're going to add a fucking 18th game. 17's going to be a weird era. It's a prime number. Yeah. Essentially. They added a regular season game. and took away two preseason games.

And then we get, we essentially just, wait, are there only two preseason games now? No, sorry, they took away one preseason game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, but they essentially replaced that preseason game at the end of the season. So, like, we just watched the preseason today all, for all intents of purposes for almost all the games. It was, do you want to hear a list of quarterbacks we saw the day?

I wrote down. Yeah. Tyler Huntley, Joshua Dobbs, Jimmy G, Spencer Rattler, Joe Flacco, Tanner McKee, Trey Lance, Bailey Zappi. Do you know what team Bailey Zappi's on? Didn't know he was on the Browns. Joe Milton, Davis Mills, Mitch Trubisky, Marcus Mariotta, Carson Wentz, Mike White, Malik Willis, Dorian Thompson, Thompson, Dorian Thompson, Doreon Thomas, Thompson play today. That doesn't even include Mack Jones, Aidan O'Connell, Mason Rudolph, and Drew Locke also played.

Russell Wilson? Yeah. Russell Wilson, sure. Throw them in there. Literally like two-thirds of the league was just backup shitty quarterbacks. It was like literally watching preseason. I was so bored. all day. This last game, Sunday night football is great. The rest of the day, insanely boring. It's bad football. Today was like going back to college liquor. It was watching preseason. I was like, who's this guy? Never heard of this guy. That's awesome. Go for it. This is why we need the first overall pick tournament. We need the losers bracket. Because today could have been the Super Bowl of the losers. It could have been the Titans versus the Patriots for the first pick in the draft. Imagine how fun that would have been. We should do that because it's so weird that the Patriots are just playing Joe Milton and trying to tank it. then he just beats the bills since the Patriots

the first pick. It's just incorrect. It's, it is the wrong way to do it. It's so fun. It's true. Yeah, we really do need to figure it. We'll get to the draft a little bit, but like it is crazy to the Giants and Patriots play their way out of the first pick in back-to-back weeks where, you know what?

It would make so much more sense. Ironically, Fantasy football has figured this out better. In Dynasty Fantasy football, the teams that don't make the playoffs in Dynasty, at the bottom, the losers bracket, like in a regular season redraft, you play and like you win your way out of the twill in dynasty if you want the first pick

like this year if you want Ashton Gentier or whatever in Dynasty next year you have to win you have to beat the other bad teams so like the fourth worst team gets the best pick and not like it makes so much more sense and that is the NFL I don't think they'll ever tweak it because you know things are going too well right now to mess with the schedule

but um you got out a fucking 18th game he has 21 billion dollars here they play out every goddamn day of the week the 18th game is going to eventually going to have a Super Bowl on Valentine's Day and we're all going to have a little show. Yeah, we're going to have to figure that one out.

Anyway, but so we mentioned Bucks Washington. I do want to just say Terry Bickloran broke the single season record for receiving touchdowns for Washington history, uh, which is funny because Jaden got benched. But anyway, yeah, bucks Washington. We'll see. That's going to be a fun game. I don't know. It is a very fun game.

That's Baker and Jaden. That's a lot of good energy. So that's the NFC. Got right there. If the Lions don't, who do you think plays the Lions in the championship game? Do you think it's Philly out of the NFC? I do. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I think so, yeah. I don't know. The commanders feel frisky to me for some reason, even though they didn't even play that great the last couple of weeks,

I feel like, but again, he's the man, but James is just a nightmare fucking defend. He is, but that team's so flawed. AFC, Chiefs get the buy.

It's so funny that like we're having this whole MVP conversation. Meanwhile, Patrick Pummel's lost one game this year. Got the one seed. No one's even talked about it. Number, So we have the Buffalo Bills are 13 and 4. They are hosting the Denver Broncos. First of all, the Broncos, the chief's so laid down for the Broncos.

I'd never see anything like at 38 to nothing the Broncos won. Bo Nix was started the game 18 for 18, I think. 18 for 18. Couldn't do that pre-A more. Couldn't do that pre-game more much. I just love it when a quarterback shredded. Somebody tweeted this. I can't remember who it was.

Sorry about that. But it was like, of all the teams that are actively. tanking. The only team that actually did it well today is the 15 and one chiefs. Like the chiefs were just, they're like, ah, fuck it. We're not, we're not even going to try. The freaking Patriots won. The Giants won last week or two weeks ago, whatever it was. Yeah, the chiefs are the only team that know how to win game, like they're like, oh, they know how to, you know how to finish games. Like, the chiefs don't have finished games and they know when to not start games. Yeah, they even know how to lose games appropriately. Yeah. So the Chargers won today, which got them a matchup with the Texans, which I was desperately hoping.

that the Raiders were going to beat them. It kind of looked like that in the first quarter. It didn't work out. So now it's the Chargers are playing in Houston against the Texans. And then my Steelers will be going to Baltimore to play the Ravens on Saturday on Amazon that game. It doesn't feel right, does it? Steelers Ravens on Amazon Prime. How do you feel about playing the Ravens?

Explain that. Why do you feel? I don't know. That feels like the most old school, gritty NFL matchup and seeing it just on a streamer that, you know, an e-commerce website. I don't know. Should they add this? Didn't add the Golden Globes tonight? They had on the wall in the, in the,

in the theater, they actually projected like which streamers were winning the most award, which companies were winning the most awards in the arena? Oh, did they? I didn't see that. Oh. Does that feel like when Amazon or when Disney bought Star Wars.

You know what I mean? It's like this doesn't. Lucas film. Yeah, yeah. Sound right. I don't, look, I would have just rather played Houston, to be honest. I think Baltimore is playing really well right now.

and they just kicked the shit out of the Steelers. And I would have much rather wanted to play Houston. I don't feel great about Pittsburgh going into Baltimore again. I think Houston's the worst team in the playoffs, which is weird because they have Stroud and Will Anderson and they actually have a good team. Was it the game they lost 31 to 2 the other day? Craig was that why you think they're not very good?

31 to 2. 2 is worse than 0. It is. Because it shows that your defense was like, all right, well, we'll get you two. How about that? I contend that was the worst game of the season. season.

Christmas Day? Yeah. I think that was like the most useless game. It was nice. It was the morning game. Hopefully people were opening up presents

and didn't have to watch that. Well, in the Eastern Central Times Zone, which is where the overwhelming majority of Americans live. It was actually already afternoon, but yeah. Okay.

Well. Yeah, but that's not us. Sorry. I don't know. It's Christmas morning. Open gifts later. It's 4.30 in.

Oh, my God. The spread on these games, just initially, I mean, I would really like to put... Should we do guess the lines? Just rip off Bill and stuff? Should we just steal your idea? I already looked.

I already looked too. Oh, damn it, I didn't. I just, like, am so happy to bet on Jim Harbaugh to beat the heat, to beat the Houston Texans. Let me guess. Let me guess live. Texans at home versus the Chargers. Man, that's got to be close. Texans by one and a half.

No. Chargers by two and a half? What is it? Chargers by two and a half. Yeah, okay. Steelers Ravens? What do you think it is? I actually, yes.

Please guess this line. Steelers Ravens, I bet you is Ravens by three and a half. No, fuck. Don't tell me. It's like, don't tell me. You're inside the bottle, Craig. You can't see the label.

Don't tell me it's six and a half. They didn't give them a touchdown. Isn't it like eight? No. It's nine and a half. Nine and a half? What? That's actually as Bill always does when he's,

he goes, that's stupid. That is stupid. Nine is stupid for Steelers. I will say the Steelers, I think honestly, Craig, you didn't watch,

because you said you were with family, so you didn't watch the, Saturday Steelers game. I watched like the last two drives and I caught up later but it's a disaster. It was the Steelers frankly were disgusting. Like they were awful and I say that it's a giant sin and I know it's the Ravens, they'll get back.

It's like you know they split the series this year but like the Steelers at like the end of each half this Pittsburgh just finds ways to do things I've never seen. But I don't have to say this other than DeKam curious if you agree.

Russell Wilson in the two or four minute drill, whenever they need to go good points at the end of half, nothing about the way he plays suggests that he's been in the NFL for 13 years. Nothing about the experience. You'd be like, oh yeah, I'm not bad for a rookie.

And you're like, this guy's 34 years old. Yeah. He's scrambling for five yards. He's veering in bounds instead of out. He's checking down to people who cannot stop the clock. He's hurrying every, frankly, they had a nine plays on that last drive. Eight of them were like a massive mistake

by someone or multiple. people involved. Half of them Russ, George Pickens drops, Pat Fireman with drops. Everybody messed up something on those, on that final drive. I kind of feel like, and I would love to go back and listen to what I said about Russell Wilson, but I kind of feel like I nailed the Russell Wilson experience

when I tried to explain it to you, Craig, where it's like, there's going to be some magic and you're also going to end up probably hating him at some time. I think I said this a couple weeks ago. Part of me wants the Steelers to get destroyed next weekend. So we don't bring Russ back.

Yeah, because if Russ eeks out of win, he's coming back, guaranteed. They, they, he's kind of collapsed, but this was like, high fits, that was kind of, it's funny that you say that because I like was just flooded with memories too of like, even in the late Russell Wilson era during the Seahawk when he was with the Seahawks, like there were plays where he would like spin four times and lose 35 yards on a sack. And it's just like, I just want to die right now. I can't believe you just did that. What year are you in? Throw the ball away. Jade and Daniels plays with significantly higher. football IQ at the end of games than Russell Wilson

does. It's actually weird. The Bengals gave up 27 points to the Titans and the Steelers had what, 17? They didn't have 200. Did they even have 200 yards in this game against the Bengals defense? The Steelers are in the most

no man's land in the league because they have everything except the two most important parts which is the offensive line and a quarterback. And it's been that way since Ben left basically is they've had no offensive line and they've had no quarterback and everything else has been good and it's kept them afloat and it's put them in the most awkward predicament of not having good enough draft pick to take a quarterback and they tried that with picket at what pick 20 that didn't work and so now they're

just stuck their roster's too good to bail and they're just in this awkward middle area where they can't move forward and they'll probably beat the ravens they'll probably beat the ravens I just look at their roster and I'm just like they don't have very many good players on their offense defense is really good but I'm like Najee Harris is one of like the star players on your team they have no one at receiver other than Pickens. And Pickens has been going in the wrong correction for a month. Literally like he's running away from open ball. Six targets one catch for zero yards in this last game.

And then Pat Fryer Meuth, I think he's like a solid tight end. But I mean, glaring in this game, he dropped what would have been a potential game chain. They could have gone on to win if he had caught that play on fourth down. They would have been in field goal range, right? It was like at the 40 or something like that. I think they would have been close.

It would have been deep. Yeah. But regardless, yeah, it's just like, man, I look at this offense. I'm like, they're very low on talent. This is not what I feel like a normal Steelers offense looks like. If I know anything about the Pittsburgh Steelers is that we should bet based on this conversation, we should bet them to cover nine and a half points. Nine and a half is a ton for Raven Steelers.

I mean, I was going to say the Ravens still, so the last time they played it was 3417, that was the first time it was not a single-digit game in like six years or something. So, all right, so there's the playoffs. obviously we'll talk about the playoffs and we're going to have playoff previews we're going to stick with the playoffs the for this for this season we cover the playoffs we cover the off season we cover trades and all the

coach firings which are going to get to more on Monday but we might as well get to the draft and all the stuff that's happened so that we have the beginning of the draft order is set starting with the number one pick is the Titans who saw that coming which is so weird I no offense to Titans fans

but it stinks it's boring it's boring Two weeks ago, it was the Giants and the Patriots battling it out for the number one pick. New York, first to Pats. And now it's Titans won Browns too. Yeah.

It's kind of brutal. And so the Giants of the third pick, Patriots of the fourth pick, which is hilarious because they beat the bills and all they did it was lose in the Patriots. We got the first pick. Now they have the fourth pick.

And then I think it was like 20 minutes, 30 minutes after the game. They fired Gerad Mayo as head coach. Greg Rosenthal at NFL Network nailed it. The statement was so long that they definitely, we're going to fire him no matter what happened in the game. Because people like, oh, they fired him because they won. No, it was like three paragraphs.

Yeah, they've had their PR people working on this. It's like this morning. All those Hollywood outlets have eulogies written for every old celebrity? Yes. Oh, they're already ready. Like Al Pacino's has been written for five years. That Jimmy Carter thing wasn't just banged out that day. Like that was, that's been ready for like 25 years.

That's been ready since like, Fennedy's wood was in his 50. He's another one. That's been probably written. for a while. Jimmy Carter's funeral. Since the 70s. Dude, no, no,

it's crazy that Jimmy Carter's funeral is, I think it's Thursday. They are going to, there are eulogies that were written, like Walter,

like Mondale, and I forget a couple of other people. Oh, Gerald Ford wrote a eulogy for Jimmy Carter like 30 years ago. That's wild. And they're going to read them. Like, various people's sons

are going to read what their fathers are. So, like, these people were eulogized 30 years ago. He might have the record for the, the most years where with your most years alive while your eulogy was already written. It's very, it's like,

Betty White was up there. Yeah. Very similar to how Carson once played a football game today. And I was like, I thought you were dead. Actually, maybe Betty White wasn't up there because Betty White always seemed in good health. Carter has been struggling for a while.

It's pink. It's not funny, but it is. The picture of him, they wheeled him out. The picture of his wife from the home a few years ago where they looked like hobbits. Anyway.

I think he did like that one. No, I don't remember that one. I just remember there was one. Well, they wheeled him out for his birthday party. Yeah, it was like a couple weeks ago and he just looked like he was already gone. Anyway, tasteless of us to laugh at this. Oh, it's fine. He was 100.

He was 100. He lived a long life. What are we supposed to do? Be solemn? I mean, that's usually what people are when people die. Yeah. It's a comedy show. We can't, we're not, can't be held liable for anything.

Put that on the Kairon. It's a comedy show. Yeah. But yeah, Titans with the first overall pick have to imagine here they're taking one of the two top quarterbacks in the draft Shador or Cam Ward, right? I think so. I think this is a really interesting way for the draft to shake out because I feel confident about one thing, which is Dion Sanders will not let Sheter Sanders go to the Browns. Like I feel really confident about that because he like basically said it. I mean, that's just being a good dad.

Let's be honest. He said a year ago, like he was like Chicago, certain teams, Panthers, they're not going there. I'm going to go ahead and assume the Browns are in the same conversation with the Panthers. in the Bears. So if the Titans want Shadur, I'd be curious to see if Deon's like the Titans

are cool or like he would want to force Shudur to the Giants or the Raiders. But I feel like the Titans aren't bad enough. I feel like Shadr could totally go to the Titans and they want to go first. So I feel like if Shudder goes to the Titans, I kind of do think the Browns

would take him or people are going to be like, oh, they have the quarterback situation. That's the point. I don't know. They're run by like the Moneyball guys. Like Jonah Hill and Moneyball is still out there like running the Browns in part. And I'm kind of like, I just can't get over the Browns.

Deshawn Watson has like a $75 million cap in the next two years. But they extended his contract because they're trying to alleviate the cost. Like he tours Achilles. Like I don't think he's ever playing for them again. I know. I don't think the show wants him's ever playing for them again. Yeah, it's tough. Just fast forward a few years, get through this.

I think, but that's the thing. It's the opposite. You have, Mr. Haif, it's actually the opposite. But like, they have to get a rookie quarterback to play well to make the contract work. You can't unhearred. I know. But they have to get a rookie quarterback to make the whole thing workable. It's the only way you can get the cheap.

Like what are they going to do? Give Kirk cousins like $50 million a year. Like you need Kirk. Just keep playing with Javis. I don't fucking care. I don't know. They didn't even want to play Javis this year. I know.

Anyway. Well, there's no good answer is the problem. I think the Browns will take a quarterback. Doesn't the number two pick? What does the number two overall pick make anyway? Because it's not cheap. Well,

there's still, it's much cheaper than it used to be, but it's like $12 million, 13 million. Yeah. I want to say. What's 10? How much could that, how much could that? No, it was like eight.

What'd you say? How much does banana cost? How much could the second overall pick cost, Michael? What's 10 million more when you're already given to Sean 75? Right. Right. Just keep throwing money on it. I think this is a phenomenal spot for you.

Because if the Titans and Browns take two quarterbacks, then you're off the hook and the tank for us. That'd be fun. Yeah. Then the tank for arch continues. or, you know, if only one quarterback goes, it will be nice that you don't have to choose the wrong one and get killed for that. And then you still don't have to take them.

If he's sitting there at three, it's not a big deal. And you can train out. I've made peace with this very quickly. It's nice. I like three for the Giants. It's great how quickly we talk ourselves into stuff. You're totally, yeah. No, it's honestly, people are very adaptable.

I agree. I think this is a great spot. And again, by great, I mean, I probably should have the first pick. But the Giants, I love Travis Hunter. They need a cornerback. Giants need a number two receiver. There you go.

You got both. Travis Hunter and Malik Gables. Sick. Travis Hunter cannot stress how much the Giants' defense needs a fucking quarterback. The Giants quarterback suck. It would be wonderful to watch Travis Hunter actually try to play quarterback for this team. But then the Patriots, I mean, firing Gerard Mayo, this was a pretty stunning turnaround.

I got to say, I know the Patriots got themselves out of the first pick. And I know Bill is probably going to go to show and be mad. They don't have the first pick. This was pretty good for the Patriots, though. because for them to be so bad down the stretch and frankly so embarrassing that the crafts actually took the L and fired their handpicked successor

that they had contractually committed to years ago and they like just bailed on the plan after one year because they saw the Jets like Mike Vrabel feels like he leaked interest to the Jets to get the Patriots to hire him and fire Mayo that's if you're a Patriots fan and you now know Drake May is good Mike Vrable is probably going to be your coach

Mike Vrable does not have the pressure of being Belichick's direct successor and actually gets to clean up Mayo's mess instead of like having to live up to Belichick and Mike Vrable is the only actual real successor to Bill Belichick that actually exists. This is pretty perfect. Who gives the fuck that you have the fourth pick? You weren't going to get a quarterback with the first one anyway. The trade down, honestly, no one was going to probably trade with you anyway. And so I don't know.

This is a pretty amazing spot for New England. They're going to get a left tackle. They're going to get Vrable. They have May. They got rid of Mayo. This is almost the perfect runout for New England's season, to be honest. I mean, I think you could quibble with like, with the top pick, they could trade down and get a lot. But, yes, I think this is fine.

But, like, could they? Because I don't know. Like, I don't know. It's easier said that done. Sure. If everyone knows you don't need a quarterback. Right. I mean, it's like, if the Giants were sitting there at three, are they going to trade up with the pads at one to get.

I don't think they would because they know that's not going to take anybody. They would still get a quarterback. This is smart. Look, like the one. Cardinals took Josh Rosen and he sucked and they were like, you know what, fuck it. We'll get Kyler Murray. This is what the past did.

They were like, you know what? We missed and we're just going to go get Mike Grable. Craig, that's a really, that's exactly what is. It's the coaching version of Josh Rosen for Kyler. Sometimes the best quality you can have is admitting a mistake as soon as possible. That's what I always say about the crafts. They're great at admitting theirs. Very self-aware.

Yeah, right. They went to a, he went, Bob Kraft went to that roast, remember? Yeah. The one where no one can make fun of it. Yeah. He took a shot with Bill Belichick. The roast with rules. Tom, yeah, the roast for Tom Brady's like, make fun of my my ex-wife sex life all you want.

Just do not talk about my former employer. Yeah. My children are watching you talk about their mother having sex or the Jiu-Jitsu instructor, but don't touch Bob. Jesus. Interesting choice of words there, Craig. Phrasing. We're not doing phrasing anymore.

We're not doing phrasing. All right. So tomorrow's episode at the end, toward the end of Monday where we usually put out waivers. We're going to put an episode just recapping Black Monday. We're going to figure out,

I don't know what the hell is going to happen. The Giants and Daibble, and I'm sure more coaches are going to be fired. So we'll hit all that. And also, Dke's a mock draft coming out Tuesday, right? DK., I believe. So we're going to talk about DK's mock draft and we're going to talk about more of the coaches

that get fired. So we'll hit more of this stuff tomorrow. It's weird, dude, putting together a mock draft where we know the actual order of the first 18 teams, it's starting to get real guys. That's real. That's kind of fun.

I'm kind of starting to get that excitement again for the draft. Yeah, so we'll hit the mock more. The one thing I do want to hit on today's show is that Tyree Kill wants a trade. Yeah. And he basically was really frustrated and said I'm too much of a competitor to be here. I thought this was one third. But he tweeted after that. He was like

basically goodbye Miami. Thank you for everything. It was so odd because the interview, it was like a two minute clip. Yeah. And it's at the very end of the clip. He's like, you know what? It was like he said like, it's almost like he accidentally said he wanted out. And then he just was like, I got to double down because I said it. Because he basically was dancing around it for the entire two minutes.

He was doing a perfectly fine-ish job being like the quarterback got hurt, you know, whatever. And then at the end he was like, ah, yeah, screw it. I'm gone. I got to get out of here. See you later. I'm done. Like, officially I'm gone. I got to do what's best for my career.

Yeah. It felt like one third just pure frustration, end of season in the moment, just like living in your fields and being upset because he didn't get to a thousand yards. Yeah. And so I think he's just upset about, I mean, a guy going for 2,000 yards didn't hit 1,000. Can I throw an interesting stat at you? We'll do more of these later.

Juan Jennings had more receiving yards this year than Tyree Kill. And Tyreek didn't miss a game. In two fewer games. Darnow and Mooney also out yarded Tyree Kill. Juan Jennings would have got a thousand and he got ejected from the game very early in the 90s game. Right. So he really played like three fewer games.

but Tyree Kill I felt one third like upset about just being in the moment and one third he wants a trade and also one third super upset he left the Chiefs and that they won two Super Bowls without him and they don't need him and they're going to

maybe maybe be the first team to ever three Pete in the history of the NFL and you took a little more money to go to Miami and you would literally like it's like you left the balls with Michael Jordan for a trade yeah he literally He literally left the Bulls with Michael Jordan. Like that's what he did.

Yeah. In that clip today, he was like, this is my first season ever, not in the playoffs. He's like, this sucks. I want to go to a good team. Welcome to the party, pal. Oh, my God. I will say his stats were better last year than they ever were, which I think matters to him. Well, I guess his 2018 year was pretty up there too.

There's a lot of good trades that have happened. It's funny. I think that some of the best trades and some of the worst trades ever have happened in the last like four or five years. Because in the last few years, you had Justin Jefferson for the Dick, Stefan Diggs for the pick that became Justin Jefferson, which is incredible. The Goughford Stafford trade, which I mean, AJ Brown for Traylonbergs. Yep, that was amazing. That one worked out. That was great.

And then what's the Tyree Kill for Dolphins. Tyree Kill, I mean, offensive player the year in the year in the. Chiefs won two Super Bowls anyway, but then also the worst traits have happened. Any other object permanent's All-Stars? There was other guys that I just couldn't believe we're playing football still. Like, for me, it was Jimmy Garoppel and Carson Wentz. Like, I just thought I was having a fever dream the whole time. Yeah, yeah, really. Week 18 is really a few.

You kind of don't. I saw Dante Pettis caught a touchdown. And I was like, is this 2019? Dante Pettis is in the NFL? What hell? What year is it? I genuinely did not know he was in the league. Um, I did not either.

Wait, what team was he on? The Saints? Wow, you know what? I don't know. Saints. Saints. No. He didn't write it down.

It was the Saints. It was a Saints. I had that. That's how quickly it went out of my brain. Yeah. It's like, wow, he's just really hanging out, hanging in there. Dude, the other guy like that is Alan Robinson. Oh, yeah.

He's on the Lions, right? He's on the Lions. He was on the Giants to start the year. Yeah, Steeler. Last year? Yeah. Yeah. right when Jimmy Jimmy

crush it for the Raiders that incredible era two other players today that I was like oh yeah that guy Miles Sanders today 66 yards in a touchdown plus 50 yards receiving in a touchdown his best game by far this year

he had 25 half ppr points in the rest of the season combined so weeks 1 through 17 he had 40 half ppr points the other guy who I still will go down forever as the guy that I still believe is good is Damien Pierce.

Completely agree. He had like a 97 yard touchdown today or something like that. Every time he gets 10 carries or more, he's good. I don't know why. But then he also looks terrible in like the four opportunities they give him the rest of the year. Today he had 19 carries, 176 hours in a touchdown. He had 23.6 half PPR points. The rest of the season combined, he had 19 half PPR points.

I would happily replace Noghires with Damien Pierce for a phone. Let's make that happen. The other people, I think it's always funny in week 18. it's just the thanks for nothing guys with the guys like kind of like Damien Pierce or you score a touchdown. Yeah.

Jonathan Taylor is the poster child for that this year who like decided starting in week 13 to go on a 2,000 yard pace again today he absolutely went nuts and nobody with him which was myself made the playoffs in fantasy with Jonathan Taylor.

He had 600 yards and six touchdowns in the last four weeks. Yeah, he's been going nuts. He got hurt this year. It's been all and all a rough year for Jonathan Taylor although I still think he's like one of the top five running backs

the league. The Pat McAfee being like, yeah, the only players in this team that are good and leaving Taylor off the team was kind of wild. Genuinely, maybe the most underrated running back in the league, I think. The Jets offense today? Do, okay. Is there anything more, yeah, is there any more things for nothing than Rogers, once the Jets are an embarrassment throwing for four touchdowns, getting himself his 500th touchdown, and just being like having a great time and looking great. And he was quite euphoric. It was like the last crusade, him and his dad riding off into the sunset.

I was like, man, Rogers is like, it felt so fulfilled. To be clear, Indiana Jones is dead, not Aaron Rogers' dad. Correct. Rogers felt so fulfilled. They're not talking. He had an interview after the game. He felt very zend out. I'm working on, I'm working on a Rogers.

Yeah, where are you now with this Roger's? I'm kind of working on like a, like a, I watched more of the doc. I still haven't finished it. But Sean Fennacy, he's going to strangle you. I think there's a serious chance Rogers never plays again. The way this draft ran out is very bad for, for Rogers because there's only, I mean, there's a very small amount of teams that need a quarterback.

And if you look at it, the Giants are out, right? Like the Giants, even if it made sense, they're not taking the Aaron Rogers jet sloppy seconds. The Titans made sense, but now they're going to take a quarterback. The Browns,

I think not, but also Kirk Cousins played for Kevin Stefansky in Minnesota. I think that if they're going to take a veteran coming off of Killy's injury, they're going to take Kirk Cousins. So that, I mean, you can't have to Sean Watson, Aaron are Aaron Rogers employed, by the same team. What if Stafford retires?

What he? I don't know. I mean, maybe, but like, I don't know. I guess I just look at it. It's like the teams that Rogers could play for, the list is honestly the Raiders, the Saints. No, they're stuck with their card.

The Steelers are like third if the rest doesn't resign. It's crossed my mind. What I was going to say was that like, in a vacuum today watching Rogers speak after the game, I actually thought he came off quite well. and maybe he's just very good at controlling his image and seeming likable when he wants to. But it's just funny.

It's a psychopath. The jet season had it gone just a little bit differently, I feel like so many more people would be back in on Rogers. Like the doc actually I think paints him in a, of course it paints him in a good light because it's a documentary about him. But it does the right amount of like painting him as like a kind of an egomaniac

and somebody who like has this will to get back on the field and he cares so much. And seeing him in interviews, in the last few weeks. And he's like, you know, he's talking about how he's not going to put pressure on the jets. And he's like, look, I'm not going to drag this thing out. Like tomorrow or the next day, I'll talk to the Jets and see how they feel about me. And if they're interested in having me back, I would love that.

He came off like just quite, I don't know, quite nicely. And it's just, it's great. There is a different world in which if they won four, three or four of those tight games, the narrative on him is completely shifted. That's all I'm saying. He's eating up the Aaron Rogers's propaganda. It just could be completely different if like two field goals went the right way.

I mean, to be clear, if two field goals had gone the right way, instead of being five and 12, maybe seven and ten. Whatever. If they went eight and nine or nine and eight, which I think was in play, things would be different. They should have not fired Sala because, again, they had one of the best defenses in the league before

and then one of the worst ones after, which maybe they should have sunk coming. But, no, I see what you're saying. It's funny because Rogers kind of seems like a crazy person who left Pittsburgh and you're like, damn, how did Mike Tomlin cover that up? That how crazy that person was. He should go to Pittsburgh and we'll forget how crazy Aaron Rogers was.

Get Tyree Kill and Rogers will be great. That's all we need. Pickings, Rogers. Imagine Pickens and Aaron Rogers. They would get all thick as thieves. I don't think so. No, they would also Devante because it's a package deal. Yeah.

Right, true. Honestly, they wanted a year. I'm kind of rooting for this now. Yeah, it would be great for content. Yeah. That'd be, yeah, okay. I want Craig to have to live this take. I don't know what's happening to me, but there's something, there's something percolating.

Okay. Do you guys have any- He watched the doc and he's all in now? I'm not all in. Just saying. Anyway, moving on. Seed of doubt in the back of your mind. Intrusive thoughts, I did have one other intrusive thought today, which was, do you think

that Patriots would trade Joe Milton to the Giants? Like, what do you think the Giants did he give up for Joe Milton? You're in on Joe Milton after today? He did look pretty impressive today. I know that he's bad. I just feel like I just saw a thirst trap game today of like a Bill's team trying to lose on purpose. I also saw Joe Milton do two things today where I'm like, I, there was like five people

in the world who can do that. The touchdown he threw when he was drifting to his left and then he like rifled a pass at like 150 miles an hour. It didn't even count, but it was like he did. I said up in my seat. He is, I know it's not. literally true, but he feels like he's a full foot tall than Kyler Murray, but kind of moves the

same way where he can just kind of like spin away from defensive ends. But yeah, it was honestly one of those incredible plays I've seen the entire year when he was just spun away from the guy and then through the, like none of that should be physically possible. And I would like Joe Milton. Yeah, but the problem with this is like if you're going to try to trade

for Milton, they're going to ask for too much and then you're going to end up trading too much for a guy who's sucks. Very much a huge question mark. As I said, I are doing the absolute right. I'm sliding in the DMs on a thirst trap. And I'm like, yeah. I would like to, yeah, I thought he was very impressive.

Honestly, no, you know what it is? It's like you went to a strip club and you're like, no, I think she likes me. Yeah, right. That's what I felt like seeing Joe Milton today. I'm like, oh, we had a connection. I want her number. Her eyes lingered on me. Yeah, no, no, no, but like, really, there was something there.

This is sort of the opposite of that thought, high fits, but the thought I had today and I wrote this down and then Greg Olson actually said it so it was very validating but I was just thinking to myself the whole day I was like it's actually kind of wild how much worse backups are than starters just in the NFL across the NFL like the players who are good in the

NFL are so good and it's like wild how dramatically you know tethered to like teams are so tethered to how good these players are and if they get hurt it all goes to shit.

It all like suddenly, especially quarterbacks obviously, but like offensive line, receivers, the level like the difference, the gulf between like good starters and stars versus like backups is insanely huge. And I think it was like today I was just like,

wow, holy shit. This is like terrible football for the most part. You know why other than the obvious like talent gap and they're bad? The backups don't practice once this season begins. Like Tanner McKee for the Eagles, dude,

you think Tanner McKee. look better than Kenny Pickett. Tanner McKee not thrown a football since fucking the first week of September. Like he sits there in practice and watches. Like that dude's not getting relaxed. He should practice like kicking. Yeah.

Like honestly, like he is literally simulating. They're guessing what the opposing team's offense is going to run on air. Like he's not doing anything. So for him to step in and play like that, you're like, oh, he's actually a lot better than Kenny Pickett. Like none of these, like, Trey Lance, I bet Trey Lance is not actually thrown a goddamn football. like for realsies and practice against

Mike of Parsons and months. Yeah. But you're right. None of these guys play. Kind of a little interesting today. You're very right. The fact that every year like 10 quarterbacks get cycled out of their starting position and a new 10 come in just shows you.

It's like, man, we can only really find like 15 to 20 these guys in the world every year that are decent enough to start. That's wild. Play of the day. I, the Mike Evans contract thing. was really fun. That was funny. The Joe Milton touchdown that didn't count was incredible.

The Broncos, Boenix threw a touchdown. That was crazy. It was actually the one. Bro Nix had fucking 29 touchdowns as a rookie, which is insane. Just the second most touchdowns, I've got some stats on Bo Nix for you. Please. I'll throw them out for you right now. Hold on. We get team's tough. You almost have to not,

I mean, they play the backup bills. You almost have to not look at it. You know what I mean? I know. It's, don't look at it directly. It's stat padding in a lot of ways. Here's something for you, I put together a bunch of stats where I was just like, what the fuck? Bo Nix scored more touchdowns, 33 total, 29 pass, four run than Jaden Daniels this year.

Jane Daniels had 31 past touchdown. Oh, sorry, he had 31 total touchdowns, 25 past six runs. So Bo Nix 33 touchdowns, Jane Daniels 31. I was just like, what? And then Nix had almost as many yards total, 3,775 yards plus 430 rush yards. So he had 4,200 yards. Daniels had 4,500 yards, essentially. So, like, they had statistically, at least just the basic stats, very similar seasons, which is pretty wild.

Bonix above and beyond what I expected and what I expected. But I had previously existing biases against Boenix, so I don't really care. Right. Correct. I will dismiss all that because that's how you can sleep at night with that. Yeah. But yeah, Bo Nix. Pretty good season. I don't think he's going to win

rookie year, though. Bo Nix is going to be an NFL starter for a dozen years. It's not even like quite, he's, I'm not, he is frankly further ahead along than Drew Brice was

when he was Drew Brice's age. And I actually don't think it's particularly close. I'm not saying, how many years was Drew Brees in the league before he was Boeux's age, though? Well, that's a good question.

I honestly, I'm not saying that to be cheeky. I don't know. He was at, I think Drew Breeze was the first pick of the second round but he was a season Bruce was drafted as 22 he was 25 by his

fourth season yeah that does change things are you serious I think so yeah his age 25 season was his fourth year in the year in the league yeah he was drafted in 01 he was born in 79s

yeah he's 22 whatever he still can boenicks can still be a start for 10 years and that's a very good pick. I will say, Breezed in his first two seasons in the league only had 28 touchdowns. Not counting his rookie year. Bodex is 24, actually, for the record. I know.

I do feel like we start to inflate these guys ages more than... He's 43 years old. He's called a Boomer Boe Nix for the entire free season. He started more games than anyone each day. Dude, he was a pre-COVID college football player that was drafted this year. I saw him playing in 2019. I'm supposed to get over that. Do you know how much of my personal?

changed between 2019 and like April. Nothing in my life is the same. Anthony Richardson is going to be in and out of the league before the age of Bo Nix was when he got drafted. We didn't have this show in 2019. Is that right? Yes. Yeah, for all intents and purposes. It was called the Tennessee.

We were doing the show with Mike Lombardi in 2019. The show has changed since then. That's wild. I couldn't get over it, man. It's amazing that he's doing this. Sorry. Anyway. There's a couple other plays I want to mention.

Derek Barnett had a thick six. It was technically a fumble six. But he, I can't remember exactly how it went, but he like rocked the hell out of the running back and then picked up the ball and scooped and scored it. That was super fun. And then also the Bears did this in the last game of the week or gas game of the year for

some reason. I don't know why they waited to do these plays until everything was over. I know. They did the super slick. This is one of my favorite plays in football where everybody on the punt team pretends the ball is going to one side of the field. So they all block to say like the right side of the field. Or sorry, in this specific play, everybody blocked to the left like for the offensive left. And then one guy went and caught the punt on the right and just like ran up the field and scored a touchdown.

Were you guys impressed by this? It's happened a couple times in the NFL. I just think it's so fun. It's such a fun play. So this only can work if the ball is punted dramatically to one side of the field, right? Yeah. And they only... It's reliant somewhat on the punter doing a certain thing.

And then basically one of the two guys back there who's going to catch the punt, if the ball's not coming to him, he has to immediately recognize that and then pretend to do the fair catch, right? That way all the blockers know who to run to? He just makes a big show of running over to it and the other guys to become. identify the ball's not coming to me and then you make a big show as if it is and then the entire all the blockers notice that and run to you yes i think it's a sick play it usually really enjoy that play it's fun the bears doing it in the last week of the season it's kind of like what the fuck was that yeah seriously you waited a little long in that way you waited until week 18 to pull the shit

out i was like where the why are you doing that now just saving for next year at this rate what the fuck i know i was like what are you doing so i want to say the Rams did this the Seahawks a few years ago and I was like, man that is like the coolest fucking play. I just love it. It's so tricky. I love Borderline. I'm like, why don't teams do that every

single time? Oh my God. There's so many things. One should build the whole plane of the black box. There's so many times of football. I'm like if you just did that every time, that wouldn't make it any easier. I should just make a hole in one every time. It's so much easier. I'm like, it doesn't make it any easier that even still would know who to fucking run to. Yeah.

Oh, I, There are so many things like that. We should make a list one day. I'm just like, why don't they do that every time? Worst play of the day. It had to be for me, dude. He hit and Allen with the trick play where they were triple cover it. He just threw it anyway right to the defender.

It was picked. It's like, I'm not reading the defense out here, guys. You told me to throw it. Pat Friarmooth dropping the best Russell Wilson pass of the night with 10 seconds left in the game to potentially win and play the Texas. I mean, come on. That was bad. That was like the third worst play that drive.

Every play in that drive is bad. Dude, that ball could not have been thrown any better. It did him in the hands in stride for the game on the line. Did you guys not see the Lomadee Zakias drop today? No, I think I must have missed it. On the trick play that shout on Sam 40 at the Washington Post. He did a TikTok on Thursday. It was like, they're going to run this trick play.

I've determined this. And then they did. And then Sikis dropped the pass. I've never seen. And Zakeas has been awesome. So I feel okay, like making fun of him a little bit about this. Because generally speaking, he's been awesome the last couple of weeks. Yeah. It was the worst catch attempt I've ever seen in my life. It was like one of those

plays where a guy's trying to catch a punt and he doesn't know how to put his hands. And it's like, oh, God, should I use, should I like scoop it? Or should I put my hands up and catch it? And he just didn't decide he just kind of went in the middle and tried to clap at it. And he was wide open. It was the worst, worst hands technique from a receiver who has actually caught a football before that I've ever seen in my life. It looked like he'd never caught a ball before. Yeah, it was really bad. Maybe he was alarmed that whoever's throwing him the past was left-handed. Maybe it threw him off.

I was like spinning different. I also was wondering, I couldn't tell if people were joking about this or not, but it looked like he did a fair catch signal as a, like a celebration, like trying to like be cheeky about it. And then it, like, threw him off. This is what I'm talking about. I think he got caught between trying to catch it

where you like, you know, like you basket catch it or put your hands up and catch it like a pluck it. and he literally just decided in the belt. I think he might have tried to field it like a punt as like a flex and then midway through was like chickened out. It was like that's a bad idea. And I think he almost started to fall over himself a little bit like the Daniel Jones run. Yeah, he kind of got off balance.

It was all messed. It was relatable, which is a problem. Anytime we can relate to anything you're doing on a football field. That's really bad. Also, I can't let get lost in the shuffle worst play of the day. The Jets. The Jets banner. And they, like, I think a bunch of kids or whatever charity.

I don't know. They're holding, like, a big flag that says Jets. It was upside down. Perfect. Was it a bit? Or did they just actually not do it? It's just the way things are going. Arthur Smith Award for coach that pissed you off.

Tomlin not calling a timeout of the last drive of the Stilocks game. It's really rough. I swear. There's been like an epidemic lately if coach is not calling timeouts. It's all the Bears. You get to save them for the playoffs. Dude, like, who was it? O'Connell was doing it last week.

There was another guy doing it. It's like these teams, the Falcons, these teams have like two, three timeouts, and there's 40 seconds, and they're not calling them. I don't know what they're saving it for. It's like rolling PTO over to the next year. Yeah. Yes, it is.

It's like very specific. It's quarterbacks, especially when quarterbacks are getting sacked, but like the clock is starting, and they're like, the quarterback's going to run up, and then maybe the coaches think they're going to spike it, and the quarterback's like, I'm going to call a play. And then so it's like, it's this thing we're like, oh, I would.

If I had known you were going to do that, I would have called a timeout. But now it's been too much time, so I won't do it. And it's like you, like Russell Wilson ran. I believe he got five plays off in a minute and a half. And four of the plays gained like four yards. Like he gained four yards in a minute and a two minute drill. I'm like, you're 34 years old. Yeah.

But Tom, I'm not calling a timeout was tough. That was tough coaching. And then you mentioned today. But yeah, Tom. Yeah, McVeigh, not playing everybody. Yeah. Worst ref moment of the day, guys, it happened again. Jalen Macbillan, the Bucks receiver, got flagged because the refs thought he was doing like a gun thing for first down.

Oh, right. And so it was funny because his explanation afterward was he was trying to do like the two fingers forward. But he's like, but my fingers are taped together. So I pointed like this. Damn it. Not realizing. He was like, and then so the rest. flagged me and I was like, no, my fingers are taped together.

That's really funny. Which is amazing. But then on top of it, they're in Tampa Bay. They're firing the fucking cannons. Fire cannons off a pirate ship in the stadium. Oh my God. When they score a touchdown. So they literally, literally what happened was Jaylon and Bigelan got a first down.

And then the refs flagged him because he was trying to point with his fingers taped together. And then two plays later because he can't gesture like a weapon. two plays later he scores a touchdown and you can hear in the background they fire seven cannon shots there's like little kids in the stadium there's like little kids in the stadium holding like toy swords

there's swords on the helmet of the team they probably had like a fucking F-22 flyover before the game too and then the best part the refs didn't know the rules and then we're also trying to give him first goal at the 25 which is super not a thing on like a personal foul

like it's 15 yards back in its first to 10 and they would try to give him first to 25 and like they almost did. They lined them up there and they had to undo it. But yeah, I'll never, I'll never ever get over flags on simulating a weapon

when there's a pirate ship. Classic. Okay. Speaking of that game, Craig, Tom Brady announced that Bucks game and you would never know he fucking played with like 12 of those people for years.

I did look. learned something from him, though. He did say that if the bucks lose, it's possible their season could end today. So, it's not all bad. He also said there's no love loss between these two teams. Insightful. Good to know.

It's actually impressive how much football Tom Brady talks about without really you ever knowing that he played football. I think I could just slide in and be Brady in the booth. And if they never cut to the booth. If you could make my voice sound like his, nobody would ever know. To get like an AI, I think you could

do that. Mayfield rolls out, sees McMillan, an absolute dot. God, what are you doing? Dude, DeMario Davis, who's a linebacker on the Saints, made a tackle. And Brady literally was like, DeMario Davis, I used to call him

Super DeMario, because he's just super tough, super strong. He's 36. They say he's on the DECC, I don't see any decline as super to Mario. Oh, God. Brady has a little bit of an accent, and I don't know what it is. It's like he's from Northern California. He says like, he like over-enunciates certain letters.

His accent is they redesigned his jaw after he went 16 and O. That's Jezell redesigned his jaw. He says, like, avoids pressure. And I'm like, what are you? It's like you just read that word for the first time and you're trying to pronounce it. It's like he's never. I'm just being fun of Collinsworth with the pass rush, pass rush. Brady says a lot of words really weird.

Dude, also respect to Collinsworth, pass rush is hard to say. That is genuinely a tongue twister. Brady being like, pressure is so weird. They got that big body. This is odd. He said like socks instead of sacks the other day. Trying to avoid socks. Just odd.

All the way around. It's odd. His speaking style is odd. It sounds like nobody I've ever heard. I think he's in his own head I can't wait You know he's doing the Super he's doing the Super Bowl Are you serious?

Yeah right isn't it Fox this year Oh my God he is Yeah dude it's got in the back I am so overjoyed I totally forgot he's doing Super Bowl That poor guy I was feel bad for you know You know how like sometimes you can be reading something

And then you find yourself Really super conscious of reading each word Where you're like oh now I'm just like reading the words to myself instead of just reading. Do you know what I'm talking about? Have you had that issue where it's just like you like overthinking and you just

start just like you're like reciting the words of a book to yourself in your head versus just like reading it without thinking? I feel like that's what he's doing as a top like he's talking like that. It's almost like he accidentally took an edible and then they were like Brady you're on in 30 minutes and he's like what?

I thought I was off today. You know what? I'll just pretend no one will know I'm high. And he kind of announces games like that. Dude, Lindsay Lohen just did a Christmas movie. Be cool, be cool. She does edibles in us to give a sermon at church. And it's a lot like that.

Wait, please email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you know, give us ideas for a drinking game or something we should come up with for Brady doing the Super Bowl. We need to come up with like a perfect idea. Yeah, we really should. That's good. Emails at ringer fantasy football at Gmail.com. If you have any ideas for what we should do with Brady, like a watch-along game with Brady in the Super Bowl. D.K., do you have, you mentioned other weird stats from the,

Mm-hmm. You collected. This is, this was inspired. Ian Hartett's tweeted this out and I was like, oh, my God. Alec Pierce led the Colts in receiving this year with an 824 yards on 37 catches. He led them in receiving with 37 catches. Every one of his catches was like 50 yards. Is that a record for reaching 800 yards on that few catches?

I don't know. That might, that might be up there or down there. This one, this one's going right out to Kai. Quentin Johnston. finish the season with 711 receiving yards. Cooper Cup, 710 receiving yards. Can you fucking believe that?

They didn't play the same amount of games, to be fair. Yeah. But still, mind-bottling. Quinn Johnson went off. Would you just say? 170 yards, 13 catches? No, he looked pretty good. I said mind-bottling.

It's a quote from a movie. It's from Blades of Glory. Oh, yeah, that's it. I was trying to remember where it was from. Deep cut, nice. You know when you get your memory. Your thoughts trapped in a bottle. If it's like in the wild,

like what did you just say? You say mind bottling? Yeah, I did. Like when you get your thoughts trapped in a bottle. Oh my God. Is that the one where he has the brush made of whalebone? Yeah. He is this like horse shampoo.

Chas Michael Michaels. Chas Michael Michaels. That movie's good. I think he's probably 15 years. We should rewatch that one. Yeah, that one is good. Do that one for the... I don't know why that one got lost.

That movie was funny. Jazz Michael. The Iron Lotus was the name of the final trick. I think. Yeah. Oh, shit. Anyway, the Clinton Johnson one was my favorite. More receiving yours in Cooper Cup.

And then here's one that's just like, of course, Mike is sickie finished with more fantasy points in Kyle Pitts. He also had more catches and more yards. Oh, here. I got Kyle Pitts. our final Kyle Pitts in a Lie to tie in

two tight in outskirt Kyle Pitts and a lie award okay final one of the year you guys ready let's do it

Dallan Holker nah I'm out Devin Culp ooh EJ Jenkins look guys I want to be honest

I've never heard of any of those people I don't think I've heard of EJ Jenkins Dallan Hulker Devin Culp EJ Jenkins Dallin Halker famously teammates with Dante Pettis.

Sure. They're tight. Devin Culp is a buckingere. He had a bunch of catches last week. I don't think this week. I don't remember him this week. I don't know who E.J. Jenkins is. E.J. Jenkins is a real tight end for the Eagles who outscored Calpitz.

Oh, my God. E.J. Jenkins outscored Calpits. as did Dalton Holker, Devin Culp, Real tight end who came just shy and outscoring Kyle Pitts. Damn it. E.J. Jenkins. I debated coming up with like Golden Globe people, but like E.J. Jenkins actually

outscored him. I didn't need any fake people. E.J. Jenkins. I don't know what that guy is. Dude, the Eagles have like eight tight ends. I don't know. They got a lot. Any other weird stats, D.K. This is for you, Craig. I just want you to know. that Aaron Rogers threw more touchdowns, 28 than Patrick Mahomes this year, 26.

My guy. Same amount of picks. Aaron Rogers had more passes of 20 plus yards than Patrick Mahomes, 51 to 40, and almost identical yards per attempt, 6.7. I've come all the way around. I don't think a lot of the other stuff was similar in terms of success, but those statistics, they're literally literally stats.

I think stats or quarterbacks are dumb. I think wins are a pretty good stats. for quarterback. I know, right? Like the 15 wins really does summarize the Mahomes here. We've got full circle. Stats really are a quarterback. Winns are a quarterback stats.

Super related to the quarterback. I don't know. I just feel like it's going to be funny because in 10 years we'll look back and be like, yeah, Aaron Rogers. It was like a decent year for him. Yeah. When I'm on Mars with my children in 2050, they're going to look back and be like, oh, Rogers was good all the way to the bitter end.

And I'm going to say, yes, he was, son. Yes, he was, Elon. And then he won a Super Bowl for the Steelers in 2012. Hold on. You can't comment on Aaron Rogers without giving your VAC status. Oh, true. I've been to be nice. Shit, if he can say it, we can say it.

The only thing I wanted to, the college football games, which at this point was like so long ago, I know. But I just had a shout out Cam Scadabo for being an absolute monster. That guy's crazy. That guy is crazy. A psychopath. So I got going to be good in the NFL or no way. I will find out. He's going to be on every team I have.

I love him. I'll die for him. So Cam Scadago is this running back for Arizona State. I have never seen anything quite like what he did in the Peach Bowl. We had like 100 yards through three quarters. He was pretty solid. And then they cut back to like the beginning of the fourth quarter. This is Arizona State versus Texas in the quarterfinals.

And he, they cut back and he's just like vomiting. He's getting an IV. And they're like, yeah, he's just been vomiting for like the entire commercial break. It was like if Matthew Delvedova had like 48 points in the final. And also it's like if Matthew Delvedova, swallowed Matthew Delvedova. Like that's kind of what he looks like. It's like two Matthew Delvedovas and one.

And so Scabobos just a lunch pill. Just a lunch pill. Yeah. Coach's son. Great name. First and last out. Gritty. Yeah.

Just yeah. He's kind of like a running back if like a Christian McCaffrey was like a, you know, a Danny Blairhead. Rex Burke head. Yeah. Yeah. Who's the guy that was up? The Madden Cover.

Who's name I was. Garehart. Peyton Hillis. Oh. Payton Hillis. Yeah. Man. Did.

How many yards? Payton Hillis had a real year that one year. I know. So Cam Scadago, he gets the IV, comes back. He throws a 42-yard touchdown pass on fourth down. And then to cut it to eight and then he comes back and he gets a 62-yard pass and then runs in a touchdown and then runs in the two-point conversion to tie the game. And then at the end of that, he had more yards than Texas than at that point in the game. You know what's funny? Payton Hillis did not have that good of a year that year.

Dude, it was a fan vote for the Madden cover. It was a fan vote. And the Browns fans were like, this is our chance. and they voted in Peyton Hillis. They did a mat in bracket. He ran for 1,100 yards and 11 touchdowns. Dude, they just had a Madden bracket. I don't remember it that way, Craig.

This is like, no, this is the error of the internet. If you asked me, I would have said 1,500 and 16. This was the era of the internet with like, no one, no one realized what you could do with votes. This is when they had the British research vessel did a vote and they named it Bodie McBoat face because that's what won the vote. Right. Like, they were still doing votes on things that mattered and like holding to it and just ridiculous. And this was in an era when running was more popular, wasn't it? Yeah, it's 2010.

Bucky Irving had 1100 yards this year with eight touchdowns. Aaron Jones, well, let's see here. Chuba Hubbard, 1100 yards and 10 touchdowns. He had a Chuba Hubbard-esque year. It's a cover matter. I guess we do play 17 games now, though. So there's that. All right.

Craig, what's going on with Golden Globes? So Shogun crushed. Shogun crushed, as did Amelia Perez on the film side. And Wicked kind of shut out. You know, there's this new box office award now that awards box office achievement. And it's funny because I actually think you don't want to win it. Isn't that what the money's for? Yes.

It's basically a way to get SARS to show up to this event and they get an award. And they get people to watch because now the Wicked cast is there. but I actually would argue that, you know, if you're wicked and you want to win an Oscar, winning the box office achievement award and then not winning any other awards, it actually makes you look worse because it makes you seem like less of an awardsworthy film and more of a popcorn film. So it's like, I actually think it's having the opposite effect. Maybe it's working for the Globes, I guess, to get people to go.

But I hate the award. That's dumb. That's stupid. The Globes are kind of fun. I don't know. Nikki Glazer hosted, who I like generally, but I actually thought she was quite tame. There was a lot of buzz about her coming out of the gates firing from the hip and I don't think she did it all.

She was good. That's just fine. I like that she said that Benny Blanco was brought to you, was here because of the genie. Yeah, he was one of his wishes. Do you want it as a comedian? Is it a good thing? I suppose it probably is.

But is it a good thing to be remembered for like going so hard? Everybody was like, what the fuck? You know like a Ricky Jervais type of deal? It's kind of what the Globes are. And I, I, I... Like, everyone's like, I'm very uncomfortable. I think it elevates you, to be honest. Rick Hu Jervais was in the perfect sweet spot because he...

I cannot watch this. He didn't give a shit. And he was like, I don't care if any of you hate me. The best joke he ever said was like, if ISIS had a streaming service, you'd call your agent. And he just said that on stage at like the Globes five years ago. What do you say that about? Because he was talking about Apple getting into TV. And he was like, you guys are all pathetic.

You know, if ISIS had a show. streaming service, you'd call your agent right now. Has he been on any Apple shows? I don't think so. Oh, damn. Yeah, I don't know. Globes is weird. TV movies mixed into one. It kind of doesn't work.

I have a question. I have a question about outfits, but then I have a question. And I think Golden Globes are fun to watch, but it is funny that they do Shogun, which came out in April of last year. Right? Yeah, of last year, 2024, yeah. That was last year. Oh, right. We're in a new year.

I know, right? But Shogun released in February of 2024 is when Shogun came out. And then there were also, like 11 months ago, and there are also movies winning tonight, like with Adrian Brody, that are not actually out yet. What you mean? Brewliss is out. Is it? Yeah, it came out in December, I think. But, like, is it in, like, widely in theaters? No, but I'll have these movies.

Sing Sing has been out for three months in it. It was never widely released. I mean, there's plenty of these movies that are, like, not seen. I think Brulis has made like a million dollars. Yeah, I mean, it's very weird. Also, Dune didn't get nominated for box office achievement and don't understand that. What? Yeah.

I don't know how to do these things work. Here's my real question. So I don't know if you guys saw, but someone tweeted, I can't stop thinking about three months ago that Cam Newton, every time he dresses, looks like he operates a hot air balloon. Cam Newton dresses like a hot air balloon driver. And I was thinking of that when I saw Jeremy Strong show up to the, the golden globes. Like Jeremy Strong dressed like

Cam Newton dressing like he runs a hot air balloon. Wouldn't you not want to wear the tallest hat imaginable if you're a hot air balloon instructor? It's like that's the worst idea. That's fair. Yeah, Jeremy Strong's really going for it.

He looks like he's in the Beastie Boys tonight. It's the beginning of succession. It looks like. Yeah. He's listening to the Beastie Boys and that. So we also called him the Alpha in an antique store. Oh yeah

I can see that I was talking to Kai about this actually The guy who's like the showrunner of Shogun Justin Marks His IMDV Like his his resume or whatever is basically Shogun He was a writer for Top Gun Maverick

And then he show ran I guess is that the past tense Yeah Counterpart which is one of my favorite shows of all time J.K. Simmons Was that the ones of two worlds And they split time by accident? Yes.

Anyways, I just wanted to give a fucking plug for that because it's like a great show that never they, it was on stars or I can't remember what it was on. And they basically canceled it and then they tried to get it like picked. It was like essentially like arrest development. It's going to be HBO. We got to get showtime. We got to get, you know, the home builders organization. Remember an arrest of development where they're trying to get picked up by another network? And they like wrote it into the script.

I forgot about that. Yeah. you know, it's showtime. Boy, we got to get the HBO on this. That's right. Man, they're really ahead of his game. Fucking best show of all time anyway. Second best show of all time, counterpart.

Loved it. Super good. Shogun, also great. Shogun, also very good. All the actors won, too, which was awesome. Yeah, it was great. They were great. Did the main the main guy? Toranaaga? I think he did win. He did. Well, the main, what's it? Hawthorne guy. I thought he was kind of annoying.

Oh, no. The white guy didn't win. He wasn't even nominated. What are they called? John Blackthorne. John Blackthoran. No, fuck that guy. That guy definitely auditioned for Game of Thrones and didn't get it. Yeah, I didn't like his character.

I think so, I feel like TV is tough to recommend because everyone has like their lists of like shows. And everyone has like a list of 20 shows they've been told to watch. And it's like, yeah, I'll get to it. And the only two shows I recommend are the bear and Shogun because they're respectful of your time. Because Shogun, I know they're going to do a second season, but it's like, it's one season, really. And it's like one season. show and it's like the most incredible show ever and then the bear is like multiple seasons

but they're like 25 minutes of pop for drama and you can just skip the third season and you can skip the third season. That's true you really should but the second season no but it's so worth it though it's worth it though watch the first two but like the first season of the bear is shorter than the Scorsesee movie Killers the Flower Moon

Anyway but yeah Shogun's like a perfect TV experience I think Shogun's the most perfect television experience of I can ever remember a limited series. So are they doing a second season? When's that coming out?

They got a fuck ton of money to make for a while. They're still writing it. It sucks. So they're doing another one. Because the whole point was they're like, we're not going to do another one.

And they're like, are you sure? Yeah. I think that's what happened with Ted Lassow. But we could make money. Yeah. Anyway.

All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kriy and colleagues for producing this episode. Thank you, awesome. Thank you for listening. Email,

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which is going to be a lot of fun. And then, yeah, wildcard previews. And then, yeah, we're going to be reviewing the playoff games and previewing them. And it's going to be a lot of fun. The draft show, baby. NFL draft show, D.K.'s got his mock draft coming out this week. And, yeah, we're about to die. into the draft.

So yeah. It's all coming. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, nine inch nails. Nice. Resner.

Nin, as I like to say. That soundtrack is really good. The challenges won. Oh, it's the best. It's incredible. They won the globe tonight. And it's different. It's different.

Like, it is, they tried something weird. Yeah, it's super cool. It actually, like, has become the sound of tennis to me. Like, anytime now, like on Instagram, people will just be playing tennis and they'll just put that song on it, like in their story.

Yeah. It's great. Is Trent Reznor essentially now just the guy from forgetting Sarah Marshall? He's just like a soundtrack guy. He makes tone. I just make tones. It's just like dark ominous tones. That's selling him a little short.

Obviously I think he won an Oscar, but yeah. No, but I mean, like, he did the social network, which is good, very good soundtrack. He did all those finch movies. For dark ominous tones. Yeah, he did like Gone Girl and, uh, what's Dragon Toucher? Craig responded like earnestly. I think that's selling of a little bit short, but yeah. Yeah, perhaps.

Some parallels there. It's mind bottling. That's mind bottling. D.K., have you seen challengers? I have not. Worth a watch. Should I? Yeah, just don't watch the last minute.

Oh, I like it. Oh, ending sucked. Don't watch the last minute of challengers and don't watch season three of the pair. You'll be just fine. You have perfect experiences. Don't watch season whatever the final one is of Game of Thrones. And you'll be fine. No.

I actually thought it was fine. It's entertaining enough. We probably can't get into that now. It's neither here nor there. You don't host one of Globe tonight? Who? E.J. Jenkins. Were you lying?

Is E.J. Jenkins not a tight end? No, I Google it. It's a real guy. No, E.J. Jenkins did actually Outskirk Alpitz today. I think that's the most random one that we've ever had. Outscourkewarm outfits. E.J. Dal and E.J.J. Jenkins.

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