The Ringer NFL Show - Week 2 Recap: Saints??? Plus, Marvin Harrison Jr. Lives, and the Rams Die.

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

The guys recap all the Week 2 action by going through some categories, such as “Who Won the Week?,” “Play of the Day” and “Fart or Shart” (7:23). Then, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn Book (1:12:54). Who won Week 2? (8:52) Who lost Week 2? (21:20) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (34:10) Play of the Day (42:48) Worst Play of the Day (47:57) They're Real and They're Spectacular (51:30) Arthur Smith Award (57:27) Fart or Shart (1:05:05) Lucille Bluth Award (1:08:51) Intrusive Thoughts (1:10:38) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Your Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hyphitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Crick. And we are almost all the way through week two. This was incredible. This was a crazy week. But also, we just finished Sunday Night Football.

Craig, how much longer do you think Caleb Williams will live? It's a good thing. His legs are so thick because he had to bench cram. He had to squat like seven different Texans defenders tonight. He got the shit kicked out of him. He looked kind of relieved when the game was over, like walking to me and C.J. Straton, in the middle of the field. That was brutal.

Craig, 36 pressures on 37. pass attempts. It's a miracle that game was a one possession game. How did that happen? Yeah, so the Texans just beat the Bears 19 to 13. D.K., have you ever considered quiet quitting this show, the way DJ Moore kind of just started walking away from all the passes that Caleb Williams bounced to him? Yeah, we were texting during the game. There were some weird vibes going on with DJ Moore. I think obviously they were frustrated about,

or he was frustrated about not getting the ball enough and there's a couple of inaccurate passes there at the end of the game. But like he went out on like a key third down on the second to last drive. I was like, dude, get in there. What are you doing? You got to keep the drive going. DG. Moore looked like he was exactly as mad as he was when like Sam Darnold was throwing passes to him like a few years ago.

But D.J. Moore knows that Caleb Williams is like his last shot at a good quarterback so he's just like bottling it all up and inside and he's going to explode at some point. It was tough. It was a tough game all around. The offensive line was a major problem. Caleb Williams still not seeing things clearly, still not super accurate.

Probably trying to do too much. And that's where I think some of those, the two picks came into play, especially that second pick where he just like threw it into triple coverage. But, but yeah, this offense is terrible.

I can't believe they're still in the game. I can't believe they had a chance to do a game-winning drive. I mean, same thing happened last week. The offense was terrible and they ended up winning the game. Today it looked like Caleb was a nervous player trying to act calm. Right.

36 pressures, Craig. 36 pressures. He wasn't like, because he looked calmer today, but he didn't look naturally calm. It looked like right before every snap, he was like calm. Calm, calm, calm, be calm.

Shout out to Matt Harmon at Yahoo tweeted out. Everyone who was like, oh, wow, Caleb Williams going to the best situation ever for a number one book. And it's like, wow, that situation looks like shit. It turns out Shane Waldron can ruin anything. Yeah, it's like, because, look, I think the defense with Matt Everflusus's head coach is really good. But the offense, again, I keep going back to the Jackson Smith and Jigba quote, when they were like, hey, what are you thinking of Shane's offense?

He's like, are we live? That's the best answer to a question. Are we live? I don't understand. Why did they decide to hire Shane Waldron of all people? Where did this decision come from? Like, the Seahawks literally were just like, yeah, you can go. That's fine.

I just think most defensive coordinators have very poor taste and offensive coordinators. Yeah, they just want guys that will, like, do ball control stuff. There are so many just Mickey Mouse plays throughout the game, like little screens that were going nowhere. I will say, like, for people that were talking, you know, Obviously the best situation for a first overall quarterback. That take is not really aging well.

But Keenan did not play in this game. Romo Dunze has a sprained MCL. He's not healthy. DJ Moore taking plays off because he's so mad. He can't. He hates that. He was doing his job. DJ Moore is.

I love DJ Moore. DJ Moore's been like one of my favorite players. But like the fact that he went out on a third like a key third down when they were still in the game. I was like, what are you doing? Well, he was crazy. He was so calm. walked away. He was just like he looked like a kid who was like, like he, I've never seen a receiver so angry, but just like balled up his fist and like slowly walked away.

He took off his helmet while laying on the ground after the incomplete pass. He didn't have any time to get up. He was just like internally in pain. Don't you guys think in general though? I mean, the Texans we obviously still feel decent about, but I actually think I'm long on the bears. I do think that this is a good team, a really talented team. I think the defense is awesome. I thought Caleb looked significantly better today even though it was a rough day. Like, I'm still buying stock in the Bears, I think. Yeah, I mean, 100%. I mean, everything

with Caleb you want to see is there. It's just the offensive line sucks. And I think that like we were like, oh yeah, they don't need, it'd be so sick if they had Roma Dunes. And it's like, yeah, they probably could have taken like Olo Fashano who like, you know, they went to high school with Kayla Williams. But you know who is probably the most relieved man in the world tonight? David Tepper, owner of the Carolina

Panthers who this had this had like the potential to be one of the worst nightmare matchups you could imagine. Like if Caleb Williams and C.J. Stroud had played well right off, like right off the bat of watching Bryce Young literally just not look like he could ever resemble remotely an NFL quarterback. Like that could have been really bad. So I'm just glad David Tepper, you know, he dodged a bullet on this one tonight.

He's probably fine. He's not going to have any, he's not going to like go out and have anyone killed tonight or anything like that. So, yeah, feeling good for David Tepper right now. Do you think we can get Tepp on the pod? Well, Dicky wears hats. He probably knocked Dickie's hat off. Oh, yeah.

Virtually? Yeah. The hat doesn't. It just comes on the show. I still think that's the wildest thing that, like, I'm still trying to, like, I always, imagine just knocking a stranger's hat off their head to start a conversation. Which people do some wild shit. It's unbelievable.

Okay. And then the Texans, I just wanted before we get off this. Collinsworth kind of nailed it at the end where it's just, yeah, they had 12 fucking flags and the Texans. I thought this was, this to me was like Houston's last preseason game. Like I think we'd have to look at week one and two and like to me like 12 flags.

I'm like Houston, I'm like, okay, other than Nico Collins, everyone can be ready next week. I gotta say, after watching Brady announce it merely makes you appreciate Collinsworth. Collinsworth is really good at his job.

I see why he strong armed them to hire his son for the pregame because he's really good. I get it. I get it. Packaged deal. Did you think Brady was bad today? I thought he was a little bit better.

A little bit better, but I think he's pretty stiff. And I don't think he brings the like predictive stuff in the same way that Romo does. And it's just like his general color stuff to me is just pretty flat. I don't know. Yeah, he sounds, Brady sounds sober. Yeah. Like he's trying to be too professional about it almost. Well, it's almost like he's like a vampire who isn't like a fun person to be hanging on.

Yeah, he honestly, he's announcing like he played quarterback a little bit. He's like trying to be too meticulous. And it's like, hey, loosen up a little bit. It's all right. Exactly. All right. Move around the pocket. So we're going to, we're going to go.

He's got to make plays out of structure. All right. So we're going to go through a bunch of categories here. And we're just going to go through. And we're going to do something fun. And you'll see at some point. But emails, we're going to do a fun thing from now on where on Sundays, if you email us ring your fantasy football at gmail.com,

you can join in on Sunday. So we're going to read a couple emails that people sent us or comments. We have Instagram now, Ring your Fantasy Football. football, TikToks and comments, leave comments, boom, all that stuff. Follow us on Instagram at RingerFacing Football, TikTok at Ringer Fantasy Football. And then if comments, we're going to take those and we're going to drop them on this up on this show on Sundays going forward. And DK, have we announced this yet? Did you launch your only fans yet or no, your fantasy football only fans?

Craig, no, I haven't yet. Only fantasy? You haven't done that? Keep it on the deal. No, it's only fans. Yeah, it's off. Only fantasy. Yeah.

Yeah, calling it off coverage. TikTok was stage one. Only fans is next. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. All right, so, D.K. Yeah, yeah, that's Only Fans at Ringer Fantasy Football. Should we make that?

Fuck, I didn't even think that. Yeah. I actually heard OnlyFans is trying to branch out from just, like, porn. We should just claim, well. They're like trying to promote, like, stand-up comedy. Football porn. Yeah. Workout content.

Not that kind of workout, actual workout. bulking season. Yeah. Okay. Well, we should just claim it on the only fans. Yeah. Gaines. Gaines.

Exactly. All right, TK. Who won other than us? Who won week to? The Saints, who are apparently a buzzsaw now. I don't actually, I don't know what to think of this whole Saints thing. Obviously, in week one, they just demolished a really bad Panthers team. But this week, they took out the Cowboys in Dallas, 44 to 19.

Like, it was never even remotely close. They handled them. Yeah. The Saints, going back even to the last week combined, has scored points on their first 15 possessions. They are averaging 32 and a half points in the first half of games. And I think their offense, their offense has been really fun to watch.

Like it has all the telltale signs of the Shanahan style with Clint Kubiak, marrying the run game with the play action pass, like big plays, tons of motion, scheming guys open, getting them involved, moving people around the formation, cool players doing cool things. Alvin Camara looks absolutely rejuvenated. It looks incredible.

Rashidjahead might be the real deal. I don't know. Chris Olive had a little bit better day-to-day. Even Taysam Hill still doing some crazy stuff here and there moving around, like playing fullback, playing receiver, playing running back, whatever. The big question I have coming off of this game, or the second game, where they've done really, really good is, how fucking bad was Pete Carmichael at calling plays in designing an offense?

The old offensive coordinator? Where did this come from? All you needed is like a guy who worked with Kyle Shannon. hand and all of a sudden, I guess he has, you know, he's been around football forever too, but like, man, Kubiak might be the real deal on this offense looks insane. This has to be up there with one of the more shocking developments in the first two weeks of the NFL in a long, long time. I mean, the Saints have the fourth most points through two games in NFL history.

Wow. What the fuck is going on? That's fucking crazy. I mean, I think I was more wrong about the Saints than anything in the entire season so far. and so, I mean, I really kind of thought that there was a chance they would just drop off. And I think, you know, we knew that the offense would be certainly more interesting than coming into the air.

You know what I mean? But I think I still lacked the imagination. It could be this good. I mean, they didn't hit it, but I don't care. They had a shot. So they scored 44 points there. 4419, as you guys said, it wasn't even close to that close. The Saints almost scored 47 points for three games in a row

between the last game of last season and then each of these two games. The last team to score 47 points in three games, straight games was the 2007 Patriots. Oh, geez. And they came within a field goal of doing that. Like, what the, yeah, what the fuck? Like, Gary Kubiak's son, or sorry, Gary Kubiak's son just comes

in and is like, that's the crazy thing. They haven't even added any fucking players. They got worse. You know, it's funny? Don't you remember? Was it two years ago? When did the whole too high boom thing, like put a roof on the, on the offense? 2021. When they let Russ Cook?

When they let Russ Cook? They're like, okay. we can't have this anymore. Remember how we were just like, it can't be that simple. Like, it can't just be like too high and then all these offenses are ruined. Doesn't it kind of feel like that with motion now? Like anytime an offense is good,

it's like Clint Kubiak brought the Saints out of the Stone Age, last in motion, first in motion, and it just like immediately fixes any offense. I think the way, I think the way I wish we had explained the too high thing was that it's not about the too high. It's about when we grew up, it was like a four three defense or three four defense.

Either way, it doesn't matter. That's seven people. And just the idea that there's, 11 guys in a field. There's four for the pass. I mean, obviously everyone plays run or pass, but it's like there's four guys for passing, seven for the run. And it's like, now it's five.

Five for the pass. Like, it's just taking another guy and putting him for the pass. But the motion thing, it is, there is an element of like, why the fuck were we always doing this? Like, oh yeah, if you do the motion, it's kind of this thing that you can always tell if they're man or zone. And then you know what I mean?

It's kind of like you get to actually like, it's almost like, you know, mad when you hold the right trigger down and you can see the play. Yeah. It's almost kind of like that or like Tiger Vision when you're putting in the video game. Like yeah,

why weren't the fuck we, why weren't we fucking doing this all the time? I just love when there's like a league-wide trend that like fans can easily comprehend. And it's still like a huge, like it's screwing up defenses. And all of us are like, oh yeah,

just like run motion. That's it. And it's working. It really does feel that simple. I know that it's probably not, but it really does feel that simple. Like guess what? If you make it a little bit harder for the defense,

you're going to do better. Like, where, like, am I wrong? If you make it a little bit harder for the defense, you will have a better offense.

Yeah, that's good. Like, is it that simple? I think it is that simple. Also, if you explain it to someone who doesn't really get football,

it's even funnier because it's like, so you know, so you have to wait till the ball snaps to move. They're like, oh, but now we're moving before the snap.

You're like, why didn't you always fucking do that? It's like, now you can kind of have a little bit of a head start. Why wouldn't you do that all the time? But yeah, no, the Saints are amazing. Okay, so the Saints have the Eagles next week.

Does it all come crashing down? Do they turn back into a pumpkin? What do we think? And is this real? I mean, look, after doing this to Dallas in Dallas and beating them by 25 points, I think I'm, you know, I'm not going to write them off against anybody at this point, right? Right, right. Even Alvin Camerah, who's my winner of the week, who had four touchdowns,

which is the most since his six touchdown game from Christmas of 2020. He ruined my Christmas. I was in a fantasy championship that week. People don't forget. Yeah. I was actually driving from the Bay to L.A. on Christmas Day and was on my phone getting notifications. And I thought it was a glitch on my phone.

I was like, this can't be right. Six. And pretty much the same thing happened today. I think you had three in the first half. Yeah. Were you also driving from the Bay today? I was. I luckily

every time you drive from the Bay to L.A. Alvin Camara scores four touchdowns against Mike Zimmer. Camara and then commuting from the Bay to L.A. every Sunday. It was also against Mike Zimmer too. Mike Zimmer like as a coached in years. Then he comes back and he's the Cowboys guy. And Alvin Camer is still just like running up the score. Oh my God.

It was. Holy shit. Yeah. Third best day, third best fantasy day of Alvin Camara's career. I love Camar, man. He's so awesome. Still looks great.

Legs look evenly weighted. Yeah. Super even. Symmetrical. He's got like this very special running style. He's the only guy I've ever seen the, well, maybe not the only guy, but he'll take the hand off and almost just like he hits the strafe button on accident. You notice this where he just like, instead of running straight forward, he just takes a hand off and goes whoop and like strafes laterally. Yeah.

And like, and he gains like four yards immediately. You know the like, I don't understand how he does it. He's so explosive. Now that we're on TikTok, I can make this reference. You know that like style of video where the camera locks in on the subject? so the subject is always in the middle of the frame and it kind of looks weird. That's how Camara runs to me

where he's like always centered and balanced. It's like when you golf and you swing, right? He's like you're not supposed to move your head. I feel like Camara's head is perfectly still and his body is doing everything else. Steady. His head's a steady cam. Yeah.

He runs like he is operating a steady camp. That's perfect. Camera operator. Yeah. He did the tracking shot in True Detective. Camara. That was Camara. Camara operator.

Wow. Fuck. Steady Camera. Steady Camara. Steady Camara. I don't know. There's something. There's something there.

Write that down. Write that down. Yeah. Keep workshopping. Yeah. All right. My winner this week. I just Red Zone channel.

Oh. Red zone channel. They do the two week free trial. And if you had a two week free trial and you watch today, you're going to keep the red Red So you're going to keep the Red Soie. Ringer Fantasy, baby on YouTube TV. What an unbelievable day for the 1 p.m. Eastern.

that early slate, 10 games, they pull out the fucking Deca box. Eight of the games were one-score games. I'll see, I feel like just deck. 10 games is too many. 10 games is too many.

I was overwhelmed. I was getting like anxiety. There's too many games. But eight of them were close. Literally eight of the games in the two-minute warning. They were one-score games. Everything except the Chargers Panthers game

and the Saints game was like really close. I don't know. I thought it was a big day for Reds. Scott. Scott Hanson did a good job. We were shockingly not paid. to make that last Hyves was not paid to say any of that.

He genuinely just loves a free ad. No, they really. And along those lines, I don't like Red Zone. See, we're definitely not paid to say this.

Can we bleep that? Should we bleep it? Our, D.K., come on. Red Zone is objectively great. Yeah, what do you mean? Don't like it. I don't like Red Zone. I find that you can't keep track

of what's happening in any of the games. No, that's what it's for. For not keeping track of what's happening. No, no, it is literally for keeping track of everything. They show you every single score. They show you all the scores, but I don't understand.

And they show you every touchdown. They show you every physical score. You can't get a good grasp of like what's happening in any given game. And therefore you don't know what happened in any of the games. It's within the context of what came before. And you lose the context. We live in the context. What does she say?

All the scores come within the context of what came before. No, really, though, you do lose it. I feel like it's obviously useful for fantasy. No doubt about that. If you want to try to stay up to date with what's going on, you kind of have to listen to it because Hansen does tell you how a team got there and they'll do quick like recaps and stuff like that. But if you're not really paying attention and you're not listening,

it is really hard because all you're seeing is like teams when they're on the 10-yard line. Super fun, though, got to say. It's like all ice cream, no vegetables. Yeah. All right. D.K., any other winners? One last thing. the legacy of the 2018 NFL draft.

So first of all, Baker Mayfield, top pick, went to the Browns. Sam Darnel, third pick, went to the Jets. Here it is, 2024, and both of these guys are playing extremely well for their new teams, several teams down the line, in fact. Baker Mayfield basically had the game-winning play

late in the third quarter against the Lions. He, like, I think it was a designed runner. It looked like it kind of, scooted around, made it into the end zone, gave the Buccaneers the lead that they kept for good. And yeah, he's looked really, really impressive. Like distributing the football, Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, you know, not making too many mistakes.

It's been really impressive so far from Mayfield. It's like... He's huge out a linebacker. Yeah, it was like a crazy good run. And also it's just like, I feel like Dave Canales got so much credit for what Mayfield did last year. It's like, maybe Mayfield was just good, actually. And then Sam Darnold also looked pretty good.

He had an incredible, like, I like to... call it a hundred yard pass to Justin Jefferson. It was technically 97 yards, but he let go of it from the end zone. 100 yard play against the 49ers. So upset the 49ers. Yeah, he also had a pretty good day. He's looking more and more legit. This is like fits into that Saints thing where I'm like, okay, he just beat the 49ers.

And also, Justin Jefferson got hurt in the game and he still went down and had the game-winning drive. And so Jordan Addison missed this game. T.J. Hawkinson, I mean, Justin. He started like Jalen Naylor. Yeah. Yeah. KJ. Osborne. Jailen Naylor was like the best freaking receiver on the field when Donald, you know what I mean?

Toward the end of the game. And so I don't know. I was, I really did think Donald would be like all right. And again, I was never saying like Sam Darnold was going to be an MVP candidate. I certainly didn't think Donald was going to start necessarily as well as he would. I just thought Darnel would have such a good supporting cast around him with a good system that he'd be able to succeed. I wasn't sure that if you took all the supporting cast around him, and just the system would work, but he made the whole thing work.

So I don't know. In a way, he's actually exceeded what I thought he'd be able to do. But Sam Donald. Josh Allen was also in that draft, and he's doing okay. Yeah. He's doing a good job. And Lamar Jackson, who's also done okay, two MVP's. But, you know, these other guys are doing good too now.

So it's great. What's Josh Rosen doing? What's Josh Rosen doing? What's Joe? 2018 NFL draft. Rosen's doing well, I heard. Went to the Wharton University, Wharton School of Business, Pennsylvania.

That's pretty good. Well, I mean, so did Trump. I mean, he was president. So. Doing something, right? All right, who lost week two? All the O and two teams, they literally lost.

They did literally lose, but they also spiritually lost. So ESPN had the stat this morning, all the last five seasons. Teams had started O and two. have a 5% chance of making the playoffs. And that was a weirdly big deal this week because there were six games between teams

that were 0 and 1, which has never happened before. There were actually more games of 0-1-1 teams versus 0-1-1 teams than any week in NFL history. And so there were six different games that were basically just the scene in the dark night where the Joker just breaks the pool queue and it's like we're having tryouts.

Because if you win, you have a 45% chance to make the playoffs. And if you lose, you have a 5% chance. And so the teams, I think, look, some teams suck. The Giants, we can get to it a little bit. But the Giants, you know, no one thought they were good. I think that the teams that are just devastating days, Bengals, Ravens, Rams starting 0 and 2 for different reasons are all just crushing.

I kind of want to start with the Bengals. I mean, game of the year. Chiefs Escape 26, 25. Game of the year. Game of the year. Chiefs Bengals, it's the best rival in the NFL right now. It was a crazy game, honestly. Harrison Bucking.

game winning field goal, 51-yard field goals time expired. I think all the time about a tweet that's like every time Harrison Booker makes a kick, I kind of like turned to my wife and I just like make a noise so she knows that I disapprove. Yeah.

Right. The Alonzo morning, yeah, someone also had the Alonzo morning meme of just like, man, when Harrison Bucker makes a kick, but then Taylor's team wins and it's just like, there's a lot going on in Casey.

A lot of characters, man. You got Kelsey and Swiss. there was like the Taylor and the Britney Mahomes thing because of the Trump versus the Kamala thing. It's a carnival. You got Marathon. It's a carnival. You got Harrison Butker. It's just like the 90s bullet.

They're holding all together and they're winning Super Bowl. It is. It is crazy. It does feel like a real time capsule like watching the cheese right now. It's a lot. They're in the zeitgeist. It's kind of insane. And then they cut to commercial and it's fucking Kelsey's brothers and all the commercials.

Like it really is weird. He just sold his podcast. company for like $100 million. He's starring in a movie next year. There's a lot. There's a lot going on. Harrison Butker's probably given more speeches. Exactly.

Yeah. He's on the Hillary Clinton speech circuit. There you go. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, Jordan Peterson. D.K., did you agree on this? So, you know,

Mahomes, first of all, second fewest pass yards of Mahomes career in this game. And then the-151. But even then, it's really the fewest because the one where he had less was actually the one where he got hurt. So really, it was the fewest pass-yards. mom's career and then fourth and 16 tosses it up they pull this past interference out of his ass

did you agree with the passenger call in the fourth and 16 that kind of won them the game I mean unfortunately it looked like the right call like he got there a little early knocked the guy in the back disrupted the catch point I don't know what's the mean like oh no the worst person you knew just made a great point it's kind of

like oh no like the ref made the right call at the end of the game I can't blame the ref because it was a PI he got there a few seconds early he He hit the back of his head with his forearm, and I'm like, yeah, it feels like that interferes with the past. Let's try and imagine a world in which that was legal. Yeah. You know.

All right. So we're all in the same. I just never assume anymore. Ever since you guys argued with me about the Gadiris-Toni off sides, I never assume we'll agree about a call ever again, especially involving the chiefs. But yeah, I mean, overall, I thought the chiefs, I mean, frankly, and I know, I don't know how I've become the anti-Bengles person just for trying to just talk about stuff. It's just all reps. Just repetition. I thought Burrow played well, but like, let's be real, this was more of a loss for the Bengals than it was a win for the Chiefs.

Like, this was absolutely like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And like this is crushing. Like the Bengals are just, it's like, you know, it's Joe Burrow and two. Like they're O and two again. And then you look at this Bengals team and you're like, I honestly, I actually think the offense was all right. The defensive line is fucking decimated. But it's actually more than that because decimated is one out of ten. I think that they're at like five out of ten.

Like half their defensive line. are hurt. They're like the Rams offensive line of defensive lines. And I don't know. I just look at Cincinnati. I don't know. I mean, the only silver lining, I feel like, is that the Ravens are also 0-2.

Steelers, first place in the AFC North. I'm just going to say the Steelers. The Steelers are somehow 2-0 and the Ravens and the Bengals. Haven't even played a home game yet. 2-0. Remember like a couple weeks ago, Craig, when you were complaining about how they needed to burn it all down and start,

Like maybe fire Tomlin and start from scratch. That was in the take purge. I have no memory of that. I was told you. I said that. Maybe I actually don't remember it either, yeah. Just classic. But yeah.

Classic shit. The Bengals seemed really upset to lose this game. Did you guys see Burrow and Mahomes' interaction after the game at midfield? No, it was like a half a second. Yeah. Burrow didn't even make eye contact. Mahomes gave him like a quick whatever and Burrow literally didn't even look at him. Wow.

So shout out Ben Baby at ESPN who reported, I think that he tweeted this. I think that that post game, just Burrow after this game, was as upset as I've seen Joe Burrow after any loss he's had in his entire career, including the Super Bowl. Do you think there's a narrative more so than any other team that the refs are helping the chiefs?

Yeah, but like, I mean, don't. Or is it just like good teams win close games and people are pissed about it? I think it's the latter because I think that like... You make your own luck. I would be more partial to the idea that the rest, or, it's not the rest to help Mahomes, but it's like that they get calls.

If literally 10 days ago in that week one opener, Mahomes was shoved on the sideline, he had two feet out of bounds, got shoved by Roquan Smith and didn't get a flag. And it was that was like in the second half. And I'm like, I don't know. That was literally in the opener. So I'm like, yeah, I think that just, he's in that, he's in the weird spirit. Here's like Tom Brady where just like they're just, if you make any mistakes, they're going to snatch the life out of you. It's crazy.

I will say, speaking of the Ravens, though, I actually think the Ravens are more disappointing than the Bengals. Frankly, at least the Bengals, like they've been here and they can be like, all right, fuck it, we'll have to do this shit again. The Ravens are 0 and 2 for the first time in nine years. The Ravens lost at home to the Raiders 26, 23. They lost, the Baltimore lost outright as an eight and a half point favorite. Third big, but by betting market, third biggest loss in Ravens history,

by how big of a betting favorite they were. And then the next three games for Baltimore are Dallas, Buffalo, and Cincinnati. Ooh. I mean, Baltimore, there's a world where Baltimore could be like one and four. They could be 0 and 5. They could be 0.5. That's also how math works. Yeah, that's true.

But I think it's actually pathetic that they lost this game because, one, I couldn't believe this. The Raiders had four rushing yards in the first half, which is the fewest the Raiders have had in a game since 1995. and they fucking won. And the Raiders were down 10 points in the fourth quarter. The Raiders were 0 and 49. In their last 49 games, they were down 10 points in the fourth quarter.

This is like talking about this coming off of the Chiefs discussion, the thing that stands out to me about this is like, this is why it's so incredibly important and so incredibly rare for a really, really good team to keep all its coaching staff, like the Chiefs did where they kept spags. despite like them having a very, very good offense. For some reason, no one wants to hire him away anymore. He's just like content to stay there.

That's why it's so crucial. And the Lions, too, are another example of a team that had that, that have that advantage this year. But it's like, you know, Mike McDonald is doing really well in Seattle so far. They're 2 and 0. Obviously, like, their games have not been necessarily pretty. But, you know, the brain drain that happens when you have what was one of the best teams of all time, like according to DVA last year, like you lose some very key people in your organization,

and that can really make a big difference here. Like giving up that fourth quarter lead, that's the first thing that comes on my mind is like, the coaching is just not the same. Like that hurts them to lose that such a key coach, like such a good coach. The other team that I think was just absolutely just, honestly, the Rams are 0-2.

They were throttled. They lost 41 to 10 to the Cardinals today. I feel like the Rams, I feel like their season feels over. Yeah, I mean, they're the most beat-up. team in the league. These poor guys, I mean, Cooper Cup is in a boot. Pooka's obviously out. It's everybody, but Stafford's just like left standing alone, you know, like a decimated

wasteland. Yeah, and McVeigh has no problem playing him deep into the fourth quarter of year, even though they're losing by 30-something points with like eight minutes left. The Rams feel like they feel like they're going the way of Ned Stark. Like, spoiler alert, if you haven't watched Game of Thrones yet, like, we're just killing off a main character really early in the show. they just have so many injuries. How are they going to get past this? Like the whole, I think the thesis for the Rams for me coming into the season is like, yeah, they can compete and they can be really good after losing Aaron Donald if they don't

lose any more of their key players. And then they immediately lost like all of them. All the offensive linemen are hurt. They are starting cornerback that's hurt. Puka and Cooper Cup are hurt. It's only so long. I mean, I'm sorry, I'm not going to say it, but like how long is Kyred Williams going to last, especially if they're running him into the ground in the fourth quarter down 30 points?

Like, it just feels like the, they've got the rug pulled out from them. And now they're just, like, screwed. Yeah, they're in a brutal situation, especially in this division now. Like, now that the Cardinals look legitimate, the Seahawks are playing great, obviously the Niners are there. This could get ugly really fast for the Rams. I think it already did. They were down 20.

There was a point in this game where the Cardinals had 21 points. So the Rams at 15 yards. Right. I guess they already have a 5% chance of making the playoffs. I think it already gone, fucking. ugly fast. Oh my God. Holy shit. All right. Any other losers?

You guys want to keep rolling here? I'd like to just flick at the Colts. Shane Stike and Gus Bradley, everything that went on today in Green Bay and this Colts. Everything. Went on today. The Colts lost 16 to 10 to Malique Willis and the Packers. The Colts gave up 473 rushing yards in the first two weeks of the season.

Last week was the leading rusher, Joe Mixon, this week. The leading rusher, Josh Jacobs. They scored 10 points today. They had the ball for six minutes and 55 seconds in the first half. Malik Willis had the second highest pass rating of the day. He was checking down the whole game. They couldn't do anything about it. They ran all over them.

Anthony Richardson had three interceptions. It was an embarrassing performance across the board. None of the receivers could catch on the Colts. It was a disaster. Also, by the way, DeFars, Buckner, and Laiatu-Latu both got hurt in this game. Yeah, I don't say this lightly. I don't really understand why Gus Bradley has like a job. I don't understand why Gus Bradley has a defensive coordinator job.

Like the Colts, all the Packers were going to do entering this game was run the ball. Like, like, literally, I just assumed the Colts are going to go and be like, obviously we will force Malik Willis to throw for us to be successful. And Matt LaFleurge just ran circles around them the entire time. They had like 140 yards rushing in the first quarter. Here's how I feel about the Colts. Honestly, it's like I love them, but they're not serious people. Like, that's, that's Indianapolis today. All right. The I.M. Become Death Oppenheimer Award for the player who went nuclear. Obviously, this is.

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All right. It's so over or we're so back. There's only one to answer here. We're so back. Marvin Harrison Jr. Yeah, we're so back. He's going to be fine. We're so back.

Marvin Harrison, Jr. We've never been more back. We've never been more back. We never will be more back. Marvin Harrison Jr. was the number one scoring wide receiver of the week before the first quarter ended.

Did he have any catches after the first quarter? He slowed down. He only had four catches on the day, I think. He four catches 130 yards to touchdowns. I believe he did all of that in the first quarter, but like he basically had Justin Jefferson's entire stat line with like 12 minutes into the game. So he's played one good quarter and seven bad quarters.

Nice. Great spin. Great spin. Just saying, no, I'm kidding. Obviously he looks awesome. He went from last week he was the wide receiver 104. And this week, he was the wide receiver one. That has to be the biggest jump in the history of fantasy football.

For a guy who played two, like both games, the full game, wide receiver wild four, wide receiver one. Fuck, I'm so in awe of what D.K. just did. I so wish I'd be like, it would be quarter. No, to me, this is just like the perfect, the perfect example of how we overreact to every single thing that happens ever in our, in our football lives.

Like, it reminds me of, you remember the Jemar Chase rookie year? We were talking about how he can't catch. a ball because it doesn't have the stripes on it. And then Justin Jefferson starting, he was like playing behind, I don't know, was it KJ. Osborne or somebody. I can't even remember. It wasn't KJ. Osborne. For the first two weeks of the

season and then it went on to like have, I don't know what, 1,400 yards or whatever it was. Kenny Pickett looked like Drew Brees last year in the preseason. We need to just like take a breath sometimes and just like calm down. This was an incredible tweet from Tony Halsman. Marvin Harrison, Jr.

had more receiving yards in the first quarter in week two than his dad Marvin Harrison Senior had in any single game as a rookie in 1996. Hall of Fame. He's on his way. Pretty good. My, it's so over is Isaiah likely. That was fast, but it's so over.

That was fun. I hope people didn't bid too much money on him because he had two catches for 26 yards. He had three and a half points. And he didn't go, he didn't like completely. become irrelevant in the offense, but it was clear that Mark Andrews was once again the guy running the most routes, playing more stabs,

getting more targets, likely ran a route on like 50% of the dropbacks. So yeah, it might be over. That was fun, but, you know, it's really hard to sustain two top 10 tight ends in an offense. It doesn't happen much. And we tried to say that. Does it bug you at all? Like, it bugs me that

the fact that they only played in 50% of snaps in this game. Like, he was your clearly, best player on offense last game. What's a good plan that takes that guy and sits him down on the sideline for half of the place? Well, he only has one shoulder now. He was not on the injury report all year, or sorry, all week. I don't know.

To me, this is always, this is always like something that just fundamentally bugs me about coaches is like, yeah, he looked like an absolute superstar in week one, almost won you the game. Should have won you the game, really. And then you come out the next week and like, he's not a big part of the game plan. I just don't understand that. I don't get it fundamentally. Well, they lost to the Raiders, so maybe you're right.

I feel like the proof is of the pudding that maybe I'm on to something here. Maybe, like, play him more than 50% of the snaps. He's really good. Give him the ball a lot. I don't know. It's just a thought. Maybe use motion. Maybe make it harder for the defense.

Motion. Head start. You get a head start. You can tell what the defense is doing and you get a head start. Play likely. Use motion. I could be a coach. You can be the coach.

I'll be the GM. And I'll be the quarterback. We're going to be running motion on every play. And we're going to throw it a likely on every play. Honestly, the more I'm like, damn, my Homes and Belichick, I really could be a jam. I would just get it all the way. All right. Other next step, it's so over here.

D.K. said us this quote from Bryce Young and I lost my shit. I thought it was fake. Well, I don't. Was it? Is it fake or real? I don't actually know. There was a... Oh, I hope it's real.

I thought it was fake when you said it to me. I assume that you said it to me as well. Sheena Quick who just, it says, asked about his confidence. Bryce Young says his confidence is in the Lord. We're cut. I'm like, it's so over. We're done.

Time of death. 1.18 p.m. Eastern. I mean, we're laughing about it, but like it is truly over for Bryce Young. I feel like we're so over. I hope Josh Rosen needs to bring him on as a partner at his company. There are two, two things about this game.

day. So Bryce Young had the most completions ever under 100 yards. Like, period. So he had the most completions with fewer than 100 yards of any quarterback ever. So he, his actual line, it sounds, you know what's funny. You know what's bad. Remember when we joked that Devani Chan's like rushing numbers seem like, like receiving numbers? Bryce Young's passing numbers sound like rushing numbers. Yeah. He had 18 completions for 84 yards. That sounds like, like I think. It's like a solid day from Miles Sanders. Yeah, Jordan Mason at 20 carries for like 100 yards. Price Young's out here.

But so there's nothing even like that a little. The closest I could find is people who had like 15 completions under 90. And the list of people who did that is literally Josh Rosen, who we can't find his LinkedIn, Sam Bradford's like second to last game of his career, and Joey Harrington. And those are the people who did that in the 21st century. So that's the company Bryce Young is in. And I also want to shout out the stat that our own Austin Gale had. And I was flabbergasted by this.

Success rate, which again, success rate is just like a fancy word for like, if you get two yards on first and 10, that's not very successful. If you get eight yards in first and 10, that's successful. So it's just what is the rate of like how successful you're playing? How often are you like succeeding on a play? Getting enough yards that was good. The Panthers offense is succeeding on 25% of their plays through two weeks. which is, I couldn't believe this.

It is the lowest success rate through the first two games of a season since the expansion Houston Texans in 2002. The wheels have completely come off on this. It's snowballing really, really poorly. I can't even like to explain it. It's like worse than the Zach Wilson thing somehow. Like their offense works less well

than the Zach Wilson offense, which I obviously did not see this coming. The problem with Young, and I think when you can, A lot of rookie quarterbacks, a lot of young quarterbacks, first and second year quarterbacks struggle, you know, but like he just doesn't feel like he's physically capable of getting better. You know what I mean?

Like he's just so small. He's so small. He just doesn't have, he can't play in the NFL, it feels like. That's really how it feels. I don't know why that felt mean when it was objective. But like I. But maybe it's like we talked about it in the pre-job process. We all overrated him because he was.

was, you know, really wily and able to, like, escape pressure and all this stuff. But he is and remains a absolute outlier at the quarterback position. No one his size has ever been picked in the first round, not to mention first overall. At least they didn't, like, give up a lot for him. You said that so dead, man. Cut Baker, Mayfield, Ed Darnold's motherfucker. So they got rid of, you know, because that's the thing. So we always say, oh, they got rid of, you know, Caleb and Shailon,

and DJ Moore. But we should add Baker and Darnold under the account now. Are there still outstanding picks waiting to happen? No, I think it's over. No, I think it's over. Who's the backup there?

Donald, not Donald. It's Dalton. Andy Dalton is what I meant to say. We got an email from somebody, forgive me, I don't remember your name, but somebody who was at the Panthers game. And they were like, man, it's been so bad.

People are chanting for Dalton. Like, it's a disaster here. That's a catastrophe. Austin Gale is saying that there's still a 2025 second rounder as part of this trade. Panther second rounder.

Well, what could go wrong? The gift that keeps on giving. All right. Play of the day, Justin Jefferson had the 97-yard touchdown to the Vikings. And we talked about that. Also, one, underrated throw from Sam Donald. I thought it was an incredible throw. Also, shout up to the real hero. The referee on this play

outran the 90s. Roger Sherman, I think, was the first time. It was a great point. That was an incredible, incredible display of athleticism. High Fins, why don't you break it down? I mean, just the referee was just an absolute legend. Like, he outran the goddamn safety's on the play. He flipped his hips. He got, he watched the goal line.

Like he actually got, he outran the safeties, ran a, literally ran a circle around them, and then flipped his hips and then positioned himself to the goal line in case there was going to be a tackle at the goal line. He was incredible. I can't. Can't out overstate how impressive it was when he flipped his hips running full speed so he could position himself on the goal line to make sure that Justin Jefferson

got over the goal line. He was literally running full speed, like jumped and started backpedaling and then stopped right on a dime. Like get this guy in some pads. He was very impressive. This is especially true when you look at like, you know, some of the,

I don't know, it feels like all the people in the grounds crew, people doing like the markers, the first down markers and stuff are like 80 years old. Are you calling out that poor, man who got sent off today in the Texans game. It just came to mind, all right, Craig? So he tripped over the, like, the number marker where it was called.

I mean, a guy almost died in the Ravens game. I mean, for God's sake, I hope he's okay, obviously. I would love it. Do you guys think a referee combine would do well in the ratings? I would watch that. That would be cool. Yeah, we should do a record morning. Imagine that Hockey bench pressing.

We got that guy in the Vikings game doing a 40. I would love to watch rest work out. All right. Also, wait, while we're here at play of the day, we have a historic moment in the Wrigar Fantasy Football Show. Our first ever, Sunday,

Daily Double. Yeah, we stole that. We stole that idea. No, we came up with it. Yeah. No. We invented that. Is it worse?

The daily double. Is it worse if we say we invented it? Or is it better if we say we invented it? Legally. Oh. I don't think it makes a difference. Is that right? Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, this is for Max. Again, so we have, follows us to Rear Fantasy Football on Instagram, TikTok, and then emails for your fantasy football at Gmail.com. And on Sundays, these categories,

we're going to post them on Sundays, and then you can just, as you're watching the games, like send us what you're thinking, anyone you want to nominate from these awards. And we're going to take two every freaking Sunday.

We're going to do a daily double. Max, first whatever. Max nominates for the play of the day. Max. Malik Willis could not throw a third down pass because the center threw up on the ball. Like all over it. Right before the center snapped the ball. He puked on the ball.

Unbelievable. He's literally, literally that moment you see it that 10,000 times in your life of just like the little calm before the storm. Right before the snap. The viscous fluids on there. He's yaks all over the ball. Ugh. It's a good strategy, though.

like maybe that would you know no one's to rip the fumble out you know it's well after the game mat flur was like i went up and asked malik why didn't throw the ball on third down and he said because the center puked on it he's like i'd never heard that before and then you can they wouldn't found it literally just like projectile vomited onto his hands and the rest is like next time do you want us to stop the play and matt flora is like yes please i don't want puke on the ball for my quarterback next time. By the way, related to the Packers, today, they had 53 rush attempts for 163 yards.

I looked it up. Teams have run more than 53 times in 11 games in the last 25 years. So this century, there's been 11 teams that have done more than 53 rush attempts. So what we witnessed was truly remarkable. Did any of them throw up on the ball? when you're running that much, it feels likely that may have happened before. Yeah.

I was impressed the announcers immediately came up with left at all on the field. That was like a really good, like in the moment. That was impressive. That was good work for them. He didn't look phased at all. He didn't like, it didn't even slow down. He went about his business.

Boot and rally, baby. Boot and rally. Craig, any other plays of the day? I think Cam Taylor Brits interception on the homes was pretty spectacular. The one-handed pick down the sideline. He's had a really up and down week. He was the one who talks shit. about Xavier Worthy, basically saying all he could do

was run straight, and then Cam Taylor Brick got beat by Rishi Rice, something like a 50-yard touchdown, but then he kind of made up for it with this interception. So kind of an up-and-down day, but what are the better picks you're going to see? Crazy. Yeah. Doing it overworthy, who we should talk shit about,

was like, yeah, that should be worth more points. Yeah. Talk your shit, but back it up, you know? No, that was pretty incredible. Enough about plays the day. I would like to talk about the worst play of the day. which is, we might have to name this after Will Levis. Hey, I was reminded of something on Twitter today.

You guys remember when we used to do, what we still do, the quarterback, the shades of. So like the low-end comp and the high-end comp for quarterbacks. And my low-end comp for Will Levis was Carson Wentz throwing a pick six from his own end zone with his left hand. Yeah. And I feel like that's aging very well. So anyways, talk about the worst play of the day. Will Levis, I think, is becoming the most entertaining player in there. he's perfect.

And every week he's delivered. Last week he had, what's it called? Surrender chobra. He did the surrender over. And today, while scrambling in the red zone, he did this like unbelievable. It was, he was getting rushed in the pocket. He turned and he like jumped forward and horizontally tried to lateral the ball to his running back, which of course didn't work. And it looked like he was possessed.

Craig, Craig, when you put it that way, which of course didn't work. But of course didn't work.

The Jets recovered the ball. Brian Callahan, who coached, they caught him walking up to Levis after the play going, what the fuck are you doing?

Oh, so good. They asked Brian Callan after the game, what did you say to Will? And he said, I think the camera caught it pretty clear.

Oh, my God. I kind of like Brian Callahan, just like, no filter, because he said this last week, he was like, if we would have just punted on first down,

we would have won the game. He's so mean, but also like, you know, he's kind of, he's like killing him with, or he's like, like,

how a parent would talk to their child, you know, he's like, Dan Eakin and Veep. It's like, we just punt on first down. We would have fucking won. He was like,

I was really irritated that he cost us three points in a game. He probably needed it. Oh, my God. I also love that thing he asked about it. He said, it was dumb.

It was the exact same thing he did last week. He's a grownup and he knows better. So I was really irritated. I was a grown up and he knows better. Did you guys, speaking of worst plays, did you guys see Bo Nick? I saw a tweet that said Bo Nix got sacked by T.J. Watts' aura. Did you see the play where what is rushing Bo Nix

and like tries to swipe at his ankle? It looked like he missed. Didn't touch him. And Bo Nix just stumbles and goes. goes down like a baby deer. The way that he fell just didn't make sense. Like by physics, he fell very differently than what would have happened if T.J.

Watt touched him. Bill Barnwell tweeted, wow, these new Madden, this new Madden engines all messed up. Yeah, it looked like it glitched out. Yeah,

it did. The Bonix thing is so fucking funny. Another guy whose stats are kind of in the Bryce Young range, where it's like, this guy can't throw the ball past five yards. Historically bad. So what did he finish? What did he finish today?

Denver lost 13 to 6. A barn burn. 10x 20 out of 35, 246 yards and two picks. Yeah, they opened it up a little bit later in the game. But first half it was brutal. Oh, I lost it. But he's the first quarterback to start his crew with like no touchdowns and two picks in each appearance.

And I like, I don't know, since the- Caleb Williams is getting close to that too, though. Let's be honest. It looks pretty different. All right. Real and spectacular. someone who's spectacular today. We get figured if it's real D.K.

Malik Neighbors. High Fitz. Oh, my God. He looks legit. He looks incredible. He looks basically like the next O'Dell Beckham Jr. He went 10 for 127 and a touchdown on 18 targets. 18 targets.

Like Daniel Jones might not be good, but at least he's passing it to Malik Neighbors a lot. I think that's like the main takeaway after two weeks. Saw this from Joyne McFarland. Neighbors has average. 20 fantasy points per game, 90% route participation, 39% target rate right now, and 56% of the air yard. So basically, they're throwing it to neighbors on every play, more or less.

Like, he is the most important person in their offense. He's looked awesome. And yeah, like, he passes the eye test. Everything that we are so excited about for him is coming true. So I think he's real. I think this is legit. Yeah. I mean, and, you know, the Giants could have won the game if he had caught the pass at

the end, but he was appropriately heartbroken about it. So it's fine. He's, he's unbelievable. He's the only good part of the team. It's better that they didn't win, though, right? Don't even get me fucking started. Don't even get me fucking started. This is the best of both worlds.

He looks great. You lost. Exactly. Are we going to talk about the stat with the touchdowns and how the giants are the only team. There's like two teams ever that have scored three touchdowns. And the opposing team scored zero touchdowns and they still lost. Sorry.

That's perfect. This is exactly what you want. I think that was it. There's two teams over. You want to do it now? You want me to go on a table now? Yeah. We're talking about them.

We're going to save this for the coaching, but fun. Fuck it. All right. Sorry, I'm jumping around. The other daily double. Oh, Dan. Found it. You found it.

Found it. The other daily double. Shout out the daily day ball. The daily. Oh, God. All right. Here's a deal. Yeah.

here's the fucking tweet. God damn it. Fuck you both. All right. Here's the tweet. Yeah. The Giants became the first team in NFL history to score three touchdowns, allowed no touchdowns will lose in regulation.

Okay. In regulation. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Where to begin?

So, Brian Dable brought a punter to a kicker fight. Field Yates, the commander's drives today went field goal, field goal, field goal. Neal down to end the first. half field goal, field goal, field goal, field goal. They kick seven field goals. He scored 21 points. And they beat the Giants. And they beat the Giants because the Giants did not bring a healthy kicker. The Giants kicker got hurt on Saturday. He hurt his groin. And he was warming up. And at 1130, all the reporters were like, oh, kicker looks pretty fucking hurt. Not moving around real well. Now, did the Giants elevate their kicker from the practice squad to join the game?

Of course not. So on the first fucking game, the first goddamn kickoff of the game, Graham Gano boots it. Austin Echler returns it like 98 yards for a touchdown. They call back for holding. Graham Godot pulls his fucking hamstring chasing down Austin. The Giants do not have a kicker for this game. They score a touchdown.

They bring out the punter. to kick an extra point. The punter misses the extra point. I'll get to him in a fucking second. But like, why the fuck and the punters not make the goddamn game? The kickers can make the punts. Why can't the punters make the kicks?

I don't understand. But anyway, I just... Can't do two things. I... Like, the fact that they lost this game that they would have won if they had just showed the fuck up with a goddamn kicker.

Just bring the kicker to the game. In fantasy... Again, we could be GM. You know what we always say to do? Add fucking kickers before kickoff. Anyway, what I can't get over with Brian Dable is after the game, they were like, hey, why didn't you have a healthy kicker? Like he had a grin injury.

And Brian Dable was like, yeah, but he hurt his hamstring. They're pretty close to each other. Yeah. And then they're like, don't you think that's related? And he's like, well, I'm not a doctor. Can't prove it. Kind of got you there. I'm not you.

And they're like, wait, wait. Can't prove it. And they're like, well, don't you think a guy who's hurt running might get hurt? And he's like, yeah, yeah, anyone can get hurt. Again, got you there. I'm fucking done. I'm done. Unassailable logic.

I'm out on Brian Dable today. I'm telling you both right now. I'm out on Dable. Like, I was disgusted. I was disgust. They literally couldn't acknowledge that they had made a mistake. The Panthers are easily the most. sad team in the NFL, but somehow I feel like the Giants are sadder.

I don't know why. It's like expectations, I guess. Sorry, I haven't. The Giants are just so sad. And I keep coming back to the realization of the epiphany that we had the other day. The entire time I've known you, I think you've rooted for them to win like four times. Like that playoff game that they went to. He's been trying to process since before he'd met Jackie.

It's like we're going on a decade here. They've been so far. fucking bad. No, it's true. I never realized how long they've been bad for like until we had that conversation. Also, it's like, do you remember like five years ago when I was telling you how mad I am about the Giants? Because they don't score

touchdowns and they fucking score touchdowns today and they still lost. Yeah. I was like, I lived like, that was like three cities ago where I lived and they still can't score any fucking touchdowns. Three cities ago. Jesus Christ. Anyway, all right, wait. Now we're jumping around. Any of their coaches that you guys are mad at?

I thought that Sean Payton made a cure. decision in the end of the Broncos Stilers game. Can somebody explain that to me? Yeah, so what happened with this? Down 7 with a minute 54 left, I believe, and one time out left,

they kicked it instead of doing an onside kick. So they kicked it to the other team. And then they forced the three and out, which is exactly what they were trying to do. And more or less, like, their plan worked. And the plan got them the ball back with eight seconds to go needing eight. 81 yards.

It's like needing to go 81 yards with eight seconds. So you know it's bad when Scott Hansen was like, huh, curious coaching decision of Sean Payton. Like even if everything goes well, they're going to get the ball with 20 seconds or less and no timeouts. And they are yet refusing to onside kick. And it didn't work out.

It went exactly as Scott Hansen outlined. Well, you know why? It's because Sean Payton is a genius. Yeah, we don't get it. It's because Patrick Mahomes was able to get that field goal in 13 seconds, and he's just as much confidence to Bo Nix as he did in Patrick Mahomes.

Yeah. Nate Tice, by the way, had a really interesting tweet today that pointed out. It was just a replay of Bo Nix in the huddle, just trying to get a play call communicated to his team. And that I think it was such a important reminder of just like how hard it is for these rookie quarterbacks to come in. and know the entire playbook, like the back of their hand, be able to communicate it from the coach to the players and get it all together. Basically, what happened was Bo Nix spent a very long time

trying to get the play call read out to the offense in the huddle. They ended up breaking the huddle with, I don't know, it was like 12 seconds left on the play clock, got to the line, and basically ran out of time to snap the ball because he was just trying to get the play call into the huddle. to me that like it's such a perfect example why it's so just incredibly difficult to be a rookie quarterback because it's just I mean even that is like incredibly difficult to just remember and say the play calls. My coach Arthur Smith coach moment was this isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'm not upset that Mike Tomlin did this.

I more just think it's funny. Russell Wilson got a game ball today. The petty game ball. The petty game ball. I just love that. So Tomlin does this for when, when, players face their old teams. He'll give you petty game balls. But I just love that

Russ didn't play and his backup won the game. And as his backup is like sitting there like a gladiator after fighting in the war, like Russ is just clean sitting there in the locker room like in his suit and tie. Having, hasn't sweat once the entire day. And Tomlin's like, here you go, Russ. Here's game ball.

This is for you. And Russ is like, thanks. The backup's taking my job. Also, he's still getting massive checks from the Broncos. Well, it's the money ball David Justice of like, yeah, you know, they're paying you to not be there. But there you go. Anyway, you're not getting your job back. But here's this ball.

Here's this ball. Craig, do you think that Fields has won the job then? You think I actually do it? Bench him. He won two road games. Yeah, not going to bench him until he probably loses two in a row. Okay. Okay.

I know we got off this, but it's one more unreal and spectacular. I just also want to shout out. J.K. Dobbins is Raheim Moster. And J.K. Dobbins. He was good. He had another just incredible day. You know you're feeling good when you, coming off a torn ACL and a torn Achilles

and you're doing a front flip into the end zone. That is a real flex. Yeah, medically. And like an extended, yeah, literally a flex. 17 carries 131 yards and a touchdown

and inspired Jim Harbaugh to go on an extended rant about how he can't do front flip. And that he's tried. He said he's tried on trampolines and once on flat ground. He's tried from many different platforms. Off a trampoline,

off a diving board. And a flat ground. I want to focus on that. That's pretty dangerous for somebody. Hopefully he was young when he tried that. He said he stops halfway through. He stops spinning in the air halfway through. He can't finish the second half of the flip, which is really dangerous.

Do you think that's how he got like this? He landed on his head. That's why he's so good. Well, also just lingering here in the real or spectacular category. On the charges, Quentin Johnston, the receiver, I'm not sure what's going on. He had two touchdowns today. he once again led the team in receiving.

This dude couldn't beat out DJ Chark and now he's the number one player in the passing game. What, like, do we just throw out last year? Was last year, like, was it so bad that we just can't judge anybody on their play? Was it like the Urban Meyer Jags? And now Quentin Johnson is just a first round wide receiver

and a good, and a new offense? Is that what I'm supposed to do, D.K.? I honestly don't know. I don't know because I think my first impression my first reaction Craig when he scored his first touch and I was like okay that was fluky

but they do it does feel like they are trying to like feature him in their offense he leads all receivers in snaps and routes Josh Palmer is second but he's he's first in snaps and routes the context there that's important which it may not end up

mattering long term as DJ Chark is hurt Josh Palmer didn't practice all week he had a what was a hamstring or knee injury he was like in the medical tent in this game like this was a very good game by quentin johnson but like i'm not i still am not sure if this is actually like a signal or just sort of noise in because there's a bunch of injuries at their at their receiver position right now okay yeah also but like you know i i do want to give room for the idea that quentin johnson could improve like when we when he was drafted

the the story on him the scouting report on him was he's pretty raw and he might need some time to develop. He's a rare special athlete and could move different for a guy that is his size and weight or height and weight or whatever. So, like, I want to leave some room for the idea that he could end up improving. Like, I think that's possible.

I think it's the funniest thing that could happen. That's after my fresh palm... It's the funniest outcome. The first round pick's good, yeah. I also just speaking to which, I just want to shout out Brock Bowers real quick, who is incredible. And Brock Bowers, well, obviously, Devont Adams is the number one receiver on the

Raiders. The Raiders beat the Ravens today. But there were times where you watch the Raiders offense and you're kind of like this whole thing is built around this rookie he who's played two games. Like I feel like Kyle Pitts ruined us hyping up Brock Bowers because Brock Bowers is much better than Kyle Pitts and he actually plays all over the formation on like Kyle Pitts

and he had nine catches for 98 yards today. Also it feels like Gardner Minchu is the perfect quarterback for like a mediocre fantasy team. because he's not creative enough to, like, do really crazy stuff, but he's good enough to just pass it to, like, the two best players over and over and get the ball to get the ball to them. I mean, they won. Of course, but it's like he did with Michael Pittman last year. He's kind of done it his whole career.

Like, he's just going to throw to Brock Bowers and Devonte Adams over and over, and he's good enough to put it in the right spot, but he's not good enough to kind of do other stuff. I'm not going to, I'm not saying I could be an NFL quarterback. I already established I can be a coach, just do motion, throw it to likely. also if I was an NFL quarterback I would throw it to the best players all the time that's what I would do that's good stuff I think that would be the way that I would

approach quarterbacking in the NFL speaking which important segment here we have to go down to fart or shart Craig Travis Kelsey one catch for five yards today four catches in the whole

season do you think one catch five yards that you think that was a fart or a shart I'm going fart probably for Travis. Nothing to worry about. I don't think anything came out. I think you're able to go about your day. I think you're all right.

It's been rough. It's been a flatulent first two weeks, I would say. He's had four catches. He said six fantasy points in two weeks, Travis Kelsey. Good God. I think the ascendance of Rishie Rice, Xavier Worthy being there, I do think that Mahomes is spreading the ball around a little bit more.

Travis Kelsey is like a 13% target share, which isn't great. Seven targets in two weeks, not great. But he had a catch that came down to the one. He almost scored today. He had a 40-yard pass called back for holding. So we're still in fart territory, but like, I got my eye on it. D.K.

Yeah. Do you think what's going on with Terry McLaren on this Washington offense with Jad Daniels at quarterback is a fart or a shart? I'm kind of worried it's a shark Yeah I just love when DK say short I just love making him say that There are times when my son Calvin will fart

And I'll be like all right I think we need to go check and see if If something came out That sounded really wet You know what I mean And that's kind of the feeling I have That's like a very similar feeling I have right now With Terry McClard

I'm like okay we probably should go to the bathroom and make sure that, like, you didn't just poop your pants. It sounded wet, McLaurin's performance today. It sounded wet. So McLaren, through two games, has eight catches for 39 yards. And the problem is, like, I don't, I mean, obviously, I do think that Jane Daniels will start to, like, settle in. Like, all these rookie quarterbacks, we're trying to give them a little bit of leeway because I think we were all spoiled by C.J. Stroud just being immediately awesome last year. like normally rookie quarterbacks suck for a while.

And then they start to like learn it all and put it all together. So as the season goes on, I can see McLaurin, you know, being a little more reliable. But right now, like I don't really know how you can start him. You know,

until this offense changes. Also, by the way, Kingsbury is doing the whole Kingsbury thing where he just lines up his best receiver on the left and asks him to run routes from the same spot every, every play. Like again,

I could be an NFL coach. I would simply not do that. I would line him up in multiple. spots and I would have him run in motion so I could throw to my best receiver. You know what I mean? Like that would be a strategy that I would utilize personally. Kingsbury, something about it reminds me

of Reese Bobby. We're just like, all right, Chadden, I got five pounds of Colombian Bam Bam on your car. You know what I mean? It's like all the instruments, like I got a cougar. It's like, all right, we're going to line up everyone in the same place on every play, no motion. It's like, you know what I mean? Just like there's a cougar. It's like, you know, it's just all vibes. None of it makes any

fucking sets. Yeah, I don't know. I just think like right now, you probably just need, it's very hard for me because I've done this in a few leagues where like I see McLaren's name there and I'm like, I have to start McLaren. Yeah.

Because I don't like, I have all these other like random guys that got off the waiver wire or whatever on my bench. But Terry McLaren is still there. But I don't think you can start them until like this offense gets, gets things smoothed out. So I'm a little bit afraid this is a shirt. You got to clean that shirt up.

All right. Next up. The Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line, and I won't respond to it a word. I don't understand the question, and I won't respond to it. The one that leapt out to me was there was a point in the Raiders Ravens game where Alex Madison had three carries for negative two yards in a touchdown. That's like, how is a cloud a million pounds? How do you have negative yards in a touchdown?

I'm like, this is my job, and I'm like, what the fuck happened here? Yeah, yeah. That's funny. Mine is that Malik Willis outscored Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Anthony Richardson with 13 points.

Wow. That's good. Don't you love this game that we play? Mine was the Indianapolis Colts received. I saw a tweet about this. Indianapolis Colts receiving guards

through two games. 181, Alec Pierce. 67, Ashton Doolin. Real person. 52, Michael Pittman. Yeah, in third place. Not great. No.

It's not. I was trying to stay true to the I won't respond to it. That's good. That's good. Alec Pierce had the rare, like, he blew up week one and was the clear guy, like no one was going to add off waivers because they knew that was a fluke. But then he scored a touchdown today. That rarely happens when the random guy pops off and then he follows it up with another touchdown the next week. Totally.

Alex Pierce right now. Alex. Sorry, Alec. Whatever. Whatever. I don't know why, but that's really funny. What's you going to do? Come get us. Alec, Alec Pierce, the wide receiver five right now.

Sure. Total. Overall. Yeah, yeah. Why not? Totally normal. Normal thing. I would like to share one intrusive thought I had today.

I don't know if you guys have any. I, um, my intrusive thought that I had today was whoever let Devin Singletary wear Sequant's number this season should go to prison. I actually can't believe they let that happen. That person should be in jail. Do you think it's also weird that Devin Singletary was like, I want Seekwan's number?

Yes. That's fucking weird. Well, is that his number before? Who gives you shit? I think that, no, I think that the, and actually, I think it actually was. But like, I think that if he asks, it was.

Oh, it's less weird. You say, okay, but you say no. Yeah, now it's all on the giants. He's like, why don't I have to change my name? the one who sucks. Michael Bolton. He's like, I'm not changing my number. He's the one who sucks.

Okay, now it's back on the Giants organization for letting him do that. I get what he wanted it because that's his number. The team, I can't believe they let him do that. Yeah. Hey, he looked pretty good today, man. Yeah. Shut up. I mean, relative to a situation.

Silver lining. Absolutely. Today sucks, TK. Today, you know what? Don't get you. I feel so stupid, rooting for. this team. I feel so dumb. That's my that's my intrusive thoughts every day.

I feel fucking dumb watching football rooting. Like all the other games are so fun. All the other teams have cool players and mine thinks that they should wear tan pants that makes their players legs look fucking naked. Like they're so fucking dumb. Anyway, they had a hundred years

to figure out the pants. They couldn't forget the pants in week one. Holy shit. That's dumb fucking team. Anyway. All right. We're going to give Kyle Pitts a week off for too tight. He's escaped this to begin the season because they got Falcons are Monday night. So we're Kyle Pitts. All right.

What's he up to? Can I point something out real quick along the lines of the Kyle Pitts thing? Uh-huh. Jared Wiley had more receiving guards today than Travis Kelsey. Yeah. That was a weird catch too. Because it like he caught it and then someone popped it up and he caught it back. That was weird. It's like two

catches and won't play. All right. Yeah, it's like doubly as good as what Kelsey did today. Burnbook. I have a nominee, do you guys have any nominees? Our producer suggested Terry McClorin, and I think that's valid. I would like to nominate Christian Kirk, who had one catch. That's a perfect one. And lost a yard.

Do you want to know, I had Christian Kirk on my bench this morning. Evan Ingram goes down, warming up, he injures his hamstring. I'm like, okay, fine, that's the sign from heaven that I can start Christian Kirk. like he's going to get he's going to get all those like crossing routes and stuff that Evan Ingram does it's going to be fine here here's my signal that I can start Christian Kirk never again under no circumstances am I going to start Christian Kirk this is the perfect one he's all he's in the bird book he's out Christian Kirk and in your godforsaken point point per reception scoring Christian Kirk lost yards for the Jacksonville Jaguars today and got a point

this is a really good one. Brian Thomas is immediately became the best receiver on this team and already looks awesome we should absolutely burn Christian Kirk

yeah. McLaren is on deck we'll see what happens in week three you're on probation yeah Christian Kirk you're in the fucking burn book all right

the Jags are a mess they think they play the Browns and the Browns have a very good defense having said that the Jags cannot pass protect and they're a disaster what else is new how many teams are disasters

How many teams would you say right now are disasters? No, all right. Disaster? Even like, it's all right, we can be hyperbolic. Who's on the, who's in the hyperbolic? The Panthers. The Giants. The Browns.

Are the Browns a disaster? Yes. Absolutely. Disaster. Yeah, no. They're fucking disasters. No Browns fans are going to fight us on that. They're a disaster.

Is Denver? Denver is a slow motion disaster? Denver. Denver is a slow motion disaster because Sean Payton is going to give up on the starting quarterback. They traded for Sean Payton. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a disaster. Who else? The Titans? Titans are sneaky disaster. I would actually argue. Yeah. I don't know about disaster.

This season or disaster. I think the difference of the Titans is if you, like, Will Levis is a rental and they're going to swap his ass out. And as soon as you plug it another quarterback, that team could be very good next year. None of the, like. Very good. All right, fine. The Rams.

I agree they're not a disaster. The Rams this season are disaster because every player except Stafford's hurt and Stafford's been limping or. Stafford was limping. I just can't wait for Sneed to make some wild trade where he trades like three first round picks to get like a guy so they can make a run of this thing this year. I just want that.

No, they're going to make a trade for a trainer. They're going to get like a surgeon or a doctor or something on staff. By the way, Greg Rosenthal made this point today. And we talk about this all the time. But like the Rams are literally the team that doesn't play anybody in the preseason because they're worried about them getting hurt. And then they leave their starters in in garbage time when they're up by 30.

What is happening? dude. It's my least favorite thing in sports is watching a coach keep their player in after, during a blowout. Makes no sense. Like literally all your players are getting hurt. Why are you doing this? I would be load managing my players. I know that's like

sacrilege in football. I think it's super smart. They put McCaffrey on IR. I'd be sitting my dudes once every month just to keep them loose. It doesn't make any fucking sense. Travis Kelsey, once a month, you're off. Go to a concert with Taylor. You're off. I'm good with that. All right.

So we got five disasters. Five disasters right now. We'll see if there's... Is there any more? No. I think that's right. Sorry, can you say them all over again? The disasters are the giants?

Yep. The Panthers. Yep. The Rams for this season. Broncos. The Broncos. I think the Jags are kind of a disaster. How many games do they have to win to not be a disaster?

They almost beat the dolphins last week. Almost. It should be two and now. So is it only four? The Jaggs offensive lines are disaster. I don't think the Jags are disaster. The Jags are on disaster watch. How about that?

Disaster watch. So it's just Broncos, Rams, Giants, Panthers. That's it. There's people talking about Doug Peterson getting fired today. I feel like two games in, that's, if you're talking about firing the coach, that's kind of a disaster. I think there are disaster relative to expectations. That's fair. Because, like, the fact that you're the Jaguars and you had the lead you did in the AFC South of, like, you had Trevor Lawrence.

And now you're like, oh and two in the. and the Texans are 2 at 0 and you're like, holy shit, we're going to waste to make a season. Trevor Lawrence said in the post game presser, I think this was real, that we suck right now. Okay, fine, they're a fucking disaster.

Hold on, I'm going to see if that's real. Trevor Lawrence, we suck. I just Googled it. That should be like a little mile mark around the way. Like, if we have to Google if your post game press conference quotes are real, then you automatically. If your quarterback says, we suck right now,

things are not going good. He didn't even say that his face with this in the Lord. In Trevor Bank Stadium. Dude, they did the stadium after. room and nobody even gave a shit. That's a, oh my God. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you. Kai and Carlos for producing this episode. Thank you, Kira. Thank you, Austin. Thank you. Everyone behind the scenes.

Thank you for an email. We'll have our week three rankings available on Thursday for StartSit. Monday waivers, Wednesday, power, our Friday preview. And of course, on Sundays, email us, comment, everything. Follow our socials, Instagram, TikTok, everything. Daily double. Boom. Sunday categories. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you. Soldier Boy.

Hell yeah. Nice. Why Soldier Boy? Was he on your mind? I don't know. Soldier boy, I told you. He was, he was a... This is Soldier Boy, tell him? I don't know. It's definitely possible. I misquoted it.

Soldier boy, told you. What is it from? Social boy tell him. DK, have you ever done the dance in your life? No. Definitely not even a little bit. To be honest, I don't know what dance you're referencing. Are you talking about like this? The scoot thing?

I don't even know what to call it. There's a whole dance to his song, crank that. Yeah, no, I haven't done that. Crank that soldier boy? You haven't cranked that soldier boy? I feel like the defining soldier boy experience. I feel like the fact I can't,

I don't know how to describe what the dance is. Like it has a very specific name. That should have been a dead giveaway that I've never done it. It's just crazy that. You know him enough to say it as a sponsor of the show, and yet you don't know the SoulC Boy dance. I agree. I feel like it's like the dance is 80% of what SoulCoy is, 20% of me of him on the show.

Also, Carlos hit us up to be like the dolphins are a disaster and deserve to be the disaster. Oh, well, that's maybe fair. They're a sad disaster. Yeah. All the other ones are kind of funny. The dolphins are sad. It's true. All right, D.K., go learn the dance.

Do you guys do crank that? Can you do the dance? I can't, I don't remember the whole dance, but I've done it, you know. The bar mitzvicev circuit. I'm not proud of it, but yeah. We've all done it, okay? Go to your head. You could execute it.

I went to high school in the early 2010s, all right? We all did that. Yeah. If it's just as yeah. It's all the rage. The bar mitzvistful circuit, you know, those was all the rage. Now watch me, you, you know, Liz the other day was like, do you sing

now at the end of every show? And I was like no. She's like, feels like you've been singing a lot. Feels like you've been singing a lot. I was like, you're welcome. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandul is offering online sports

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