The Ringer NFL Show - Week 2 Recap: The Giants Comeback, Puka (HOF?), and Burrow’s Slump

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

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Yo, this is Jason Gough from the Full Go podcast. Me and the crew, we like to entertain you. And we're going to do more of that this football season because the Bears should be more intriguing. It should be more fascination. Justin Fields. Is this the make or break gear? Is DJ Moore the piece that's going to put them over the top?

You can catch us on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, or when we have an emergency podcast, when we have breaking news. Make sure you follow the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Your fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyfitz. by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck, and we are back, baby, we are back. Last week, it was all just misery and torture and our three teams. Steelers, Seahawks Giants were, I don't know, the worst three teams of the day.

And today, it was fantastic. Seahawks won in overtime. The Giants never a doubt about the Giants' performance today. And Craig, Monday night football, Steelers are going to redeem themselves, almost definitely, probably, right? Right, yeah, sure, cryptic. I don't feel as confident as I did in the Seahawks and the Giants heading into Monday night. but we'll see. I want to talk about the Giants, again, never a doubt in a moment.

But we just finished Sunday night football. The Dolphins Patriots game ended. One, I mean, the whole game was kind of like watching a car that had nitrous, race a car that didn't have nitrous. But then it was all overshadowed by the end with the line, the lateral from Gisicki to the lineman and the replay. D.K. You're a go-to ref hater. What did you make of the ending there with,

if you didn't see it, basically the Patriots got the ball that driving for touchdown and they sikilatoled it and a lineman tried to get it and we spent five or ten minutes trying to figure out like a three inch thing should be reviewed. Right, right, right. I don't really understand how they overturned it. I guess that would be my, because they called it, they immediately

had it as a first down and they were like really sure. Yeah, but that guy was just riding the wave of the crowd. The ref ran in as there was still a dog pile and the crowd's going nuts because it was a cool out of and he just comes in and it gives a first down and everyone erupts. And when I was watching it, I was like, eh, I don't know if he got that. Plus it was in a dog pile.

So I don't know how the hell that ref just came in and immediately was able to tell that was the first down. You go in. That's good context. How did they turn it over though? Because it was so close. I don't know. I think he was short. I'm of two minds.

I'm of two minds. I think that Craig makes a good point where I'm like the letter of the law is it can only be overturned with indisputable evidence. But Craig's right where the refs, they can't say this out loud. They're like, yeah, but that guy is an idiot. And they can't tell. He's a maverick. Yeah. Loose cannon.

Like, you know, they can't. You can't say you that that guy's like, you know? Yeah, that guy called it way too fast. I get it. He was right. It was a really cool moment. I mean, you know who that was, right? That was Cole Strange from Chad Nuga.

Nuga boy. No! Chattanooga boy. Should we go through the, I was like, what a moment for the show. I will say, I do think that a few things we've started on the show's bits I actually realize are actually how I feel incorrect. One of them is, this is, none of this needs to be hard. This is actually very simple.

We all agreed that the instant. Look, as we put more cameras and sensors and everything, we're going to like, you know, baseball, like, strike zones. We're going to lose our minds, like with the precision we're able to have. And we're going to, like, it's more than you want because eventually you're going to be able to, like, relitigate any play that's ever happened. And it should actually be very easy. If you need to watch a replay more than three times, it's not clear. It's not obvious. Clear and obvious does not require a fourth viewing.

At that point, it's not clear. How do we not have a beam that goes across the field from first down marker to first down marker? and if the ball crosses the plane, the beam lights up. Like, how do we not have that? Because it's where the knee touches down too. There's like multiple, multiple variables to it.

Put the sensors in the knees. They already got like all these screws and stuff. And the knee pads. Censors in the knee pads. Yeah, it's how they make the video games. I don't know why they can't do that. But yeah, it seems like we should have better technology for this than some old man running in and being like,

yeah, he got it. Like, in tennis, at fact, in tennis, you can zoom in to, like, like pixels on the screen to see like if one piece of fuzz on the tennis ball was on the paint and yet in football it's just like a dude in his 60s squinting and he's always don't get it the thing that drives me crazy about the guys who the line judges who spot the ball is they're always running like they're behind the play they're running to try and catch up maybe like maybe it's like they're late to class and then maybe I maybe I don't understand exactly how it happens like

the actual process for the referees but like they're really. They always seem to be like four or five feet behind the play. And then they run. And as they're like spotting the ball, they kind of like weave and zigzag. And they're like, oh, this feels good right about here. I've never seen a ref.

I've never agreed with a refs live spot of a ball. I'm always like, that's like a yard off where I thought it was. It's always off. The players are in a sidelet or confused. I'm going to go the other way. I will say, if you pay attention, I'm consistently amazed with how often referees get stuff right.

Like the other times were like, that was a catch. That's a catch. And then I see the replay. I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah, his foot was out. How did they see that? And I'm like, a little worried

these 70-year-old men have better eyesight than I do. They're pretty good about in-bounds, out-of-bounds for like toe taps. Just like, man, umpires, I can't believe they get those bang-bang plays at first base. So, I mean, that's incredible.

But they cannot spot a ball to save their lives. Yeah, well, you know what? Honestly, it's just the whole metaphor for you know, technology won't make you happy just because we can find perfection. It's like doesn't exist. Just, you know, learn to live with imperfection. That's why we need kickers in fantasy football.

That's another conversation. Okay. Enough about that. We got to talk about the Giants. You know, they had us in the first half. I'll give you that. I'm going to just give the Giants that had us in the first half. I'm not going to lie, award.

You know, Giants, down 60 to zero, first six quarters of the season. Not great. It's not what you wanted. It's not what I envisioned. There was a long, several hour. period of time because Craig, so just peek behind the curtain, Craig, Hyfitts and I are texting all day long,

usually on Sundays. And there was a good amount of time there where I was like, okay, we need to do a welfare check. We need to text Jackie, see what's going on. Is Danny around? Is Hyfit's alive?

Because we didn't hear from you for several hours. It was like he was doing his weird little rituals somewhere by himself or something. I don't really know. But like, I was certainly getting worried about it.

Yeah. I know. I was just like doing pagan rituals and like just go for a walk. What would you do? It worked. What I did? I was looking up whether anyone owned the domain website for did the giant score yet.com because I was a little worried that it was going to be like 0 and 2 60 to 0.

But so the Giants 20, they were down 28 to 7 midway through the third quarter. So the Giants kind of basically did the 28 to 3 comeback. It was 28 to 7, but they did it in regulation. Giant scored 24 on Incent points in regulation. Against the worst team in the league, though, not a Super Bowl team. Shut up, Craig. A guy with Josh Dobbs at quarterback. Josh Dobbs looked like Tom Brady in the first half.

He did. Franchise record comeback. The Giants were down 21 points in half time. The last, entering the day, the Giants down 210 in the second half were 0 in 50, entering the day. The last time the Giants came back from 210 in the second half was, or, down 21 was like was 1949 and ironically it was also against the cardinals wow i think milk plum was in that game what city was the cardinals in and that in that chicago okay perfect

first of all we we didn't talk about this enough you know the cardinals are started by like an al capone adjacent lawyer and that was michael bidwell's grandfather who owns the team yeah it's like he bought it from a guy on a boat, which reeks of the peeky blinders seen in the basement where he's like, give me your company. It doesn't matter. Just look it up. It's fascinating. Yeah, yeah.

You'll never hear from me again. But anyway, Daniel Jones, I was looking up stats in the first half, and I accidentally shrieked because I came across that Daniel Jones had like essentially zero fantasy points in the first half. Ended up number one scoring fantasy quarterback on the day. Yeah. Number one overall, Josh Dobbs, top five quarterback on the week. more than Jalen Hertz, more than Josh out, more than Patrick Holmes. So it's a weird game.

I was extremely biased. DK, what was you're like? I'm actually touched that you were just worried about me. Yeah, well, it's mostly just like, how are we going to do the podcast if he's dead? You know, that would be, that would be awkward. But that was just a wild game. Yeah, I was like, at first I was like, wait, is my, was I actually maybe being serious about my Cardinals are going to win nine games take?

Like, they're actually looking for a lot better than I think anybody expected. they almost won week one, and then, of course, they were kicking the Giants ass in the first half in this one. But I don't know. I don't really have, like, a big takeaway other than, like, good job for the Giants

coming alive in the second half. I don't know what Brian Daywell did to, like, get that spark, but it certainly worked. I guess the way I'd say it is I can't remember a game. I'm sure there are, but I can't remember a game where I felt like a team had all of its strengths

and weaknesses on display in the same performance. I actually think Daniel Jones, played incredibly well and everyone who made fun of him the first half, including me, I was a little terrified. Daniel Jones is a good quarterback.

Everyone makes fun of the contract. Daniel Jones is there. I think the coaching staff, Brian Daebel's great. I think the surrounding team is kind of horrific. And like the pieces have been overstated. The Giants had,

the Giants started two rookie cornerbacks in week one. It's been like, I don't think the Giants have done that in like 15 years. I mean, and you looked at my brother texted me and he was right.

Like they just kept getting lost on pick plays. Like the defense was lost. the whole thing's just sloppy. The offensive lines of mess. Andrew Thomas, the left tackle was out. The right tackle of a Neal is bless his heart. Someone called him Eric Flowers with a work ethic, which was devastating.

Our left guard was benched and then he got to play again. But everything's a mess. But Jalen Hyatt looked great. Isaiah Hodgins is weirdly good. But like it's still, you know, it's a practice. He's a practice squad guy. Daniel, I don't know. So it's not good that this was the Cardinals.

Yeah, I think my main takeaway here was just I don't know if the. Giants are any good. Like it was a great comeback. And there was moments where it was like, wow, they have some good, you know, talent here. Like, Sequin Barker looked awesome. Daniel Jones was making some huge plays. And like Jaylon Hyatt looks like he's an ascending player. But at the same time, kind of get done with that game.

And I'm like, I don't really know if, like, I learned anything about the Giants here. Like, I don't know if they're a good team at all yet. So good thing they got to win, I guess, is the bottom line. Well, and then Saekwon got hurt. Seekon got rolled up on towards the end of the game. looks really nasty and he kind of had to get helped off the field. But now reports are coming out that it might be an ordinary ankle sprain rather than a high ankle sprain, which is a huge difference.

I mean, they're playing Thursday night. I doubt he's going to play regardless of that game. But two weeks off, hopefully he's back. But he, I mean, Sequin is so good. But I really feel like the Giants are not giving him enough opportunities in space. Like most of the time, he's like running little three-yard curls. And the second he catches the ball, he's getting hit by a linebacker coming up his ass. Like, they didn't do a better job of getting.

Seekwon the ball in space because it's essentially him and Waller and that's all they got. So I don't know what that entails, but come on, Dabal. It looked like Joe Judge was coaching the game for the first half. It's weird. I hear what you're saying, Craig, because on one hand, I think what Dable did immediately with Sequin was something that annoyed me, something that always annoyed me watching Sequan was that the highlights were always incredible, but the amount of times where Seekwon kind of danced, Daibu immediately made Seekone like a more downhill runner and it's nice to see Seekone just

take these four, five, six-yard runs in a way that, like, he, He's happy to take singles and doubles in a way that he hasn't been. But then I watched games like the Dolphins and the Patriots and obviously it's a different system. But the way the Dolphins, the 49ers have the zone running and McAfrey gets a pitch and he like goes wide, wide, wide. And then like when he cuts up field, it's like a red carpet. You know what I mean? Where he mostered in this Dolphins game tonight. Like when he cuts up, I'm like, he got eight yards downfield and no one touched him.

And I'm like, damn, like what, you know? It's like there's a reason McAfre looks so good in San Francisco. It's like, what would Seiquon be like? Yeah, Sequins are harder. Yeah, well, that's what happens when your offensive line. You have one good line, but he's not playing the game. So, brutal. Yeah, again, we'll see it.

It's hard to overstate the difference between Sequin having that regular ankle sprain, which is fine, and a high ankle sprain, which kept Michael Thomas out for three years. So, you know, like, pretty big difference. Sequin had a high ankle sprain in 2019, and it basically wasn't the same for. It ruined his season, yeah. Ten weeks or two years, arguably. Speaking of injuries, Joe Burrow, Cincinnati Bengals, aggravated his calf injury, the Ravens beat the Bengals 27-24.

Craig, how was this Bengals game? God, what a weird start. Joe Burrow is like his yearly tradition to start 0-and-2. Yeah. It was a really messy game. Burrow and 2, that's right. Three or four years, they're 0-2. He was worse than his stat line suggested.

He ended up having over 20 yards and two touchdowns, But through most of the game, he was terrible once again. And so through two games now, Burrow has 300 yards, two touchdowns at a pick. He's averaging nine fantasy points a game. That's ahead of only Zach Wilson and Bryce Young in the whole league, Joe Burrow. Craig, I was going to say, want some context for how bad Joe Burrow has been through two weeks. Zach Wilson has more yards than him. Zach Wilson has thrown for, Zach Wilson is thrown for 310 yards and Joe Burrow has 304 yards.

Somehow, Zach Wilson is keeping Garrett Wilson afloat who had a 75-yard touchdown today. Poor Jimar Chase is one of the biggest disappointments of fantasy right now. He's obviously going to bounce back and it'll be fine, but this is brutal. The dude has 10 catches for 70 yards and no touchdowns through two weeks. He's averaging six fantasy points a game. And man, the offense just doesn't look right. Burroughs not moving well. No one's getting open.

There's no vertical threat. There's not like deep passes. T. Higgins finally got going. but the offense is just a mess right now and it looks like Burrow got hurt at the end of the game he said he didn't get hurt until close to the very end so you can't even blame his shitty performance on his cap

so I don't know what to make of that I don't know what to make it so he said he aggravated it they had like the theragun he would just look like the sideline at the end yeah he was grimacing taking the theragun to the calf on the bench theragun you guys know what a theragun is I own a thorough ad too

talking about something I do not know about so that's cool Yeah, at least T. Higgins. At least T. Higgins got his. That's all I'm saying. Two notes here, though. It's important to know he said he got hurt later, but, like, remember, last week,

they took 98% of the snaps in the shotgun. That's a weird thing to do. I'm sure he wasn't feeling 100%, but he definitely aggravated it late in the game where he had a noticeable limp, which he didn't prior. It's just weird because, like, when he originally got the calf injury, the first thing we talked about was her,

Stefani Abel, at a great article at ESPN, that basically the hardest part about calf injuries is coming back because you don't know. There's no good test to figure it out. And basically an athlete can come back. And like it feels great. They feel cool. But like the parts that aren't able to be simulated, which is running for your life from like a defensive end,

that's where it's going to give. Like it's everything outside of that, but it's the most explosive movements of the part where it's going to give and have a setback. And otherwise it won't be noticeable. And as you said, Craig, like that's, you know, Durant had a calf injury that went to an Achilles, like all these things.

So now is he going to play? Knock on wood, geez. Jesus, hyphitz. What are you doing? Have you learned nothing these last week, two weeks? Whatever. Damn. Somebody get Burrow a priest right now.

Like sprinkle the water on him. So the other, I'll undo it. Joe Burrow had 10 more yards in the last two weeks than the Navy quarterback. Wow. Burroughs the new field. You know what sucks about this is like if you have Burrow and your fantasy team, you're kind of stuck. It's like what happened with Herbert last year when he hurt his ribs. It's like, well, he's still one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

So you're like, you're not going to not start Joe Burrow, but also in a limited capacity, he's probably not going to even come close to like what he's capable of. So you're just kind of in that messy middle ground where it's like, are you really going to like start CJ Stroud over Joe Burrow? Maybe. But you'll look like a fool of Burrow has three touchdowns and 300 yards next week, which you might. And that's the thing that you're more chase. too. He's probably not really even. He's not a by-low. He's not going to sell high. It's just like, well,

I hope this gets better. But, T.K. To your point, T. Higgins fun and had a head of catch. That was cool. T. Higgins had an awesome game. Many. And I feel like honestly, that was like a theme. That was like a theme of the whole day. I feel like the guys that we were all like freaking out a little bit like gritting our teeth about. Like they all showed up. Overreacting, perhaps. I don't want to say that.

Right. Yeah. Speaking of T. Higgins, I want to do a new category here. This is the Steve Bouchemy. Thank God. I call that guy award. This is something I tweeted out on Thursday when DeAndre Swift, he was like doing an interview in the media room and he was told that head coach Nick Seriani, he didn't want to have another game where DeAndre Swift only got two carries. Like I don't want to see that happening again.

Swift's like, oh, he said that. Oh, okay. That's good to know because I didn't know he said that. It's like he, he, don't just have crossed him off the people to list, people to kill list right then and there. And then he went on to have an absolutely massive, just like unbelievable, 175 yard day with a touchdown for the Eagles on Thursday night football. And a lot of other guys actually had big, huge bounce back weeks.

So let's just go down the list. Lamar Jackson, starting with the Ravens who played Cincinnati. I thought he played really, really well. He was sharp. He didn't run like a ton this game again, but he scrambled a lot. But he was a lot of important scrambles. A lot of like 304s that he like dodged eight guys to get the first down in a crucial moment. Just very impressive three-yard runs.

He ran like 15 yards to get three-year. yards every single time. That's his thing. It was like Mahomes in the Super Bowl against the bucks when he had like 30 rushing yards, but they were like he actually ran four. You should read a marathon. Yeah, follow the dots on like the thing.

But anyways, it was very encouraging to see Lamar Jackson kind of like, you know, it felt like he was running that offense how they wanted it to be run, which was a very big difference from what we saw in week one. Josh Allen had another big bounce back week, three touchdown passes. They just, the bills just annihilated the Raiders.

Drake London, our guy who we put in the burn book last week. Thank God he's still around. This is good though. This is exactly why he's burned. This is exactly why he's in the burn book. Because you're going to put him out. Yep. Yes, that is exactly why. You will see. Do not fall for the siren song.

Going down the list, Gito Smith for the Seahawks had a big bounce back to Tyler Lockett. Had the game winning touchdown. Actually, had two touchdowns in this game. So big week from Tyler Lockett. Christian Kirk, who did not do much of anything last week. Had 14 target. 11 catches 110 yards.

Yeah, you're welcome, folks. That was me Friday. I called that. And then, yeah, T. Higgins, of course, was the man we were talking about with this category. 12 targets, eight catches, 89 yards, two touchdowns, 24 points. Huge game. And the Giants roster. Karen Waller, Safe one.

Times. Dude, all the giants. So which of these guys were you most afraid to cross off? like you're kind of like, they're still going to come back and get you. Drake London, I guess Drake London's the guy. Because everyone else we trust,

Lamar, Josh, I think we trust. Gino, there was a crazy stat on Gino Smith. ESPN's, and this from ESPN stats and info. This was Gino Smith's fifth game with 300 passing yards and its 70% completion

since the beginning of last year, which is tied with Patrick Mahomes for the most since last season again. It's Patrick Mahomes and Gino Smith with 300 yards and 70% completion. That's crazy. He was also a part of the best quote of the week. Two straight weeks, Gino is a part of the best soundbite.

Did you guys see? Yeah. I'm going to do it. Yeah, with the ref, I want to do a tangent here. I have a bone to pick with these fucking refs. There were two crucial intentional grounding calls against quarterbacks. When the receivers just ran the wrong route, the quarterbacks had every intent to throw it to their receiver, but it was like an option route.

And the receiver chose to go left instead of right or short instead of long. And the quarterback threw to where he thought they were going. And the refs gave them intentional grounding calls. And Gino, as the ref is like announcing the award, I mean the award, announcing the penalty, Gina walks up to him and he's like, the dude ran the wrong route. And the ref said to Gino Smith, like, excuse me, I'm trying to talk to America right now. Literally on Mike. Intentional rounding, offense number seven.

It's a 10-yard penalty. I'm talking to America here. This is exactly what I hate. about referees is this fucking guy was in the middle of making a terrible call announcing a terrible call that they had that they had made and he's like I'm talking to America like dude stop trying to insert

yourself into the story we don't want to fucking hear for you guy I agree with you DK DK I have often dismissed like I I think certain refs Oculus kid dude they just want to be the fucking star of the show no one fucking pays to watch you guys that was a real insight into the guy's minds I'm talking to America here.

Like he could have said like I'm trying to relay the penalty. Not I'm talking to America. Imagine like Liz walks in as I'm, I turn around. I'm like, Liz, I'm trying to record a podcast for America right now. Like I say that to Calvin. Calvin, go away. I'm talking to America here. Liz, America's listening to me right now and you want to interrupt me at this moment.

He's rehearsing like Ron Burgundy in the mirror before these games. The big thing about these two penalties and I'm blanking on the second one. It happened to Stafford in two, two hours. well. Oh, that's right. So here's the, here's the big thing that, and it's very important to know, neither Stafford nor Gino Smith was even remotely pressured on those plays. There was no pressure near them. The spirit of the rule is a guy's throwing it away into no man's land to avoid a stress. Yeah. So they don't take a sack. Like, Gino Smith was just, he dropped back, he was like, so clean in the pocket. He just threw it to the spot that he thought his receiver was

Why would a quarterback throw it to no one when they're not being pressure? Why would they do that? Talking to America here, Craig. Talking to America. Hold on. I had to get my 15 seconds of fame in here, Gino. One second. This is like the guy was cold strange.

Just come sprinting in first down. I'm remembering it correctly, right? Like that was the play that happened on. Yes. There's like a smid of maybe I'm misremembering this or whatever. No, Gino was yelling at the refs saying he ran the wrong route. And the guy was like, step to the same. side, Gene, okay? I'm talking to America right now.

It's like he's giving the State of the Union. Jesus Christ. Should that be our new thing? Every time we're wrong about a player, we're like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Talking to America right now. Talking to America right now. Hey, Hayfitz, you said Terry McLaurin. Don't play him in week two.

I'm like, oh, talk to America. Jackie's like, hi, Fitz, could you get the door? The UPS guys here. Hold on, babe. I'm talking to America right now. Unbelievable. God damn it. Oh, my God.

All right. Well, wait, speaking of the Rams and Tutu, the entire Rams team, Craig, you really wore me down because last year

you had this award called the debutante award for the players who were maturing and I was so disgusted with you that I really refused. I actually did one of the show

and I refused to acknowledge it and I actually genuinely had the thought today. I was like, wow, the Rams are a real debutante team. I was like, damn it he caught me.

Shit. Warm down. Tutu Atwell is maturing in front of our very eyes. Puka Nakua for the Rams has 15 targets last week. And we're like, look, that won't happen again.

I think I said that several times last week. Look, he's not going to get 15 targets every week. Well, we were right. He had 20 targets. 20. 15 catches. 25 catches in the season. Most catches through two games, the first two games in a career in NFL history.

Pooka Koo is the number two receiver in fantasy football. Like, literally he leads to the league and catches. It's Pookaiku is one, Justin Jefferson, and then receiving yards is Justin Jefferson 1, Pooka Nakua 2. He is the Adam Schaeftor had a tweet that was like, I mean, even by his standard, it's pretty copy and pasted, but it's fine. But most receptions in a single game are rookie in NFL history and then Pukkahua first

player in NFL history with 10 catches and 100 receiving yards each of his first two career games. I mean, DKK, right now, would you trade Pooka Nakua straight up for Garrett Wilson? Would I trade Garrett Wilson for Pooka Nakuwa? or what are you asking? If you have Pooka Nakuwa and you could acquire Garrett Wilson straight up, would you do it? No.

No, I would not give up Pooka Nakuwa. Ride the Nakuwa wave, guys. Stay on this wave. Real question, who would you give up Pooka Nukua for? Would you give them up for Devante Adams? Tyreek. It's just Tyreek. Honestly, there's probably like five receivers.

This is like, no, I think I know now how 49ers fans feel about Brock Purdy. I'm not given any, I'm not given Pukukua up for anybody if he's on my team. Yeah, we have our own cult leader now. I would not trade Pukkahua for fucking anyone in the NFL at this point. You know why? Matt Harmon at Target.

Dude, Matt Harmon at reception, had a great thing, including us. We're talking about him as Cooper Cup. Matt Harmon's like, no, Pooka is Robert Woods. This is the Robert Woods role.

Like he took like a freaking handoff today. Like he's Robert Woods, but honestly, he's the reincar. He's a better. Bobby trees. Wow. Bite your tongue.

Yeah. I know it's going to say. Guys got two good games. You shut your mouth when you're talking to me. So what? Cooper Cup's going to come back and then Puka and Kua and Cooper Cup are going to be like the best one-two punch in the league? Like, is that where we're at already? What's going on?

I think so. Cooper Cup would definitely be the best number two receiver in the NFL. Knock on wood. sounded like Puka got a little banged up in this game. So really hoping that he's... Oh, shit. Yeah, because he was busy. That poor guy.

Every other play, he was getting the ball thrown to him. Most people do get a knee injury every 25 catches, so it's fine. But honestly, it's not just... I already jinxed Puka, so it's fine. But honestly, all the Rams are good. I'm not... The Rams offense, which I may or may not have called Unsirious, like 12 days ago. Kieran Williams was good.

Like, all these guys are good. Yeah, by the way, we need to talk about the fact. that Cam Makers is like deja vuing it. This exact same scenario that we saw last year. What is happening? They're like the McVey and Camer and Camacres like the Ross and Rachel of football players. On again. On again. Off again. Is it on

there a break? What's going on with these two? I don't even ask anymore, Craig. I just, you know what? I just went to go find Camakers tweeted. Wait, wait, this is good. I went to Kaymakers tweeted during the game. I just went to go find it. I typed them just instinctively I typed to George Costanza into the Twitter search bar.

But Camakers was like, hey guys, I'm just as confused as you and they're like, yeah, you're like off the team or we're going to trade you. You haven't met our standards. This is like exactly the exact same thing that happened last year where it started out in the off season. It's like, Sean McVeigh's talking him up. Like we're really excited about what he can do. And then the games come around.

He's like inactive. And then he's like on the trade block like anyone's going to trade for this guy. And then he's away from the team for a while. And then this exact same thing happened again. Like I don't know what's going on here. What happened? Then they just like Kyron William. Cairn Williams played 70 snaps, 7-0 snaps.

70. Three running backs did that last year, like the entirety of the season. Dalvin Cook, Mixon, and James Connor, the only three players. Even Derek Henry didn't play 70 snaps in a game last year. I mean, Kyron Williams is RB2 this week. Yeah. Isn't that insane? Wait, it's even worse than that.

Not worse. Maybe that's kind of unfair to Kyra Williams, but do you know the top five running backs on the season right now through two weeks are? It's Christian McCaffrey. Kairn Williams, Brian Robinson, Pollard and Bijon. Like, Kyron Williams, ahead of Pollard and Bejohn.

What the hell is going up? I love this. Well, he has scored. Actually, Mostert just slipped ahead of Bejohn. Mostert's now five, which is crazy. Oh, Moster's five? Okay. So also, can we talk about the Rams?

Like, Pooka to Ku is the number two receiver and Kyron Williams is the number two running back. And the time they're two weeks. The Rams, dude, they really just like pulled the rug out from under us. Because coming into the season, obviously there were some people that were really excited about Pooka Nukuo, but like, I don't know, he's a fifth round rookie. Like, where did this fucking come from?

You know what I mean? Like, this doesn't happen. Every time I think about how I feel bad for missing this, I think about all the 31 other teams who passed on this guy four times. And I'm like, God, they must be upset. But Adam Levin, sorry, Craig, you were, you were on the Rams being better than anticipated the whole season and you disagreed with me and you were right. I mean, look, I didn't think they were going to be the worst team in the league,

but I certainly didn't expect this. I mean, even 2-2 Atwell's playing well. That guy was like determined to bust the second he was drafted. I feel like they were like, oh, they just drafted it. I phrasing. What? To bust. He fiss doesn't like it when people use the term bust as a verb.

He just said two, whatever. I'm the problem. Determined a bust, not to bust. Now, not a verb. But anyway, Tutu Outwell is like the wide receiver 18 right now. He has 196 yards through two games. The dude has 298 yards in his fucking career. and he already has 196 this year.

Adam Levitton had established the run made an excellent point, which I mean, everyone who's watched the Rams has been like, Matt Stafford's back and that's the raw engine here. Matt Stafford, the straw that stirring the drink. He looks like he did two years ago and they won the Super Bowl. But Adam Levitton established the run. Stafford is like a kingmaker for receivers.

I mean, because again, the best receiver season ever, Cooper Cup wins to Triple Crown two years ago. Calvin Johnson, 1900 yards, has the receiving yard record, was with Matt Stafford. Julio Jones, the year he almost matched the Calvin Johnson receiving yards record and like the Falcons almost won the Super Bowl. That was, oh no, that was Matt Ryan. What am I saying?

I was going to say, where do you go? How did that? I don't know. It's just a different mat. I don't know how I did that. But anyway, Kenny Gallaudet had his best season. Golet had his best season. Marvin Jones.

And it's like one of his best seasons of Matt staff. And I can't believe I just said a man, another mat. Looking back, I think Kenny Gallad is the most impressive thing on this list now that we know what happened to him. Oh, my God. So at the absolute low point of the last. week with the Giants with the 40 to nothing. Someone texted me that they got an Instagram targeted ad for Kenny Gulladay jersey during

the 40 to nothing lost to the Cowboys. That was bad. Oh, man. Speaking of, so like with this Matt Stafford thing in mind, though, is Pukinakua like already on track to be one of the top league winners of this year? Or is, do you think when Cup comes back? Because Sean McFace said something over the weekend where sort of, he alluded to the idea the goal is to have Cooper Cup ready to go by week five.

like, yeah, you should trade his ass. That's why they put him on IR or whatever so he can heal up and be ready to go by week five. There's no pressure to bring him back before that. Once Cooper Cup comes back, it feels to me like Cooper with Pukunakou is still going to have a pretty massive role

on this team. Like the way that he, that's Matt Stafford trust him, the way that he's just willing to feed him, I think Cooper Cup and Pook and Akku are still going to be like, they're both going to be good fantasy assets. Do you agree? But we'll talk about this on power this week,

but I'm going to go to spoiler alert. Pooka Koo is still high. I don't know. How dare you? Obviously, it's hard to get higher than whatever the fuck he's done. He has like 35 targets in two games. We can revisit this, but I'll just put it this way. You walk in a casino.

You put $10 down in roulette and you win $200. You should probably just walk away from the table because that's what just happened to you. You add it, you like you random guy, and now we're talking about actually, I'd rather have than Garrett Wilson. Just take the money off the table. Trade him for someone.

A lot of other players, though, around the league, like these young players really broke out. Like I think that was one of the huge things from this week. Did they break out or did they mature? Deb. Some I turned pretty, dude. The Deb ball.

Summer turned pretty is incredible. I heard it's fine. How dare you? But the Texans, CJ Stroud looked fantastic. Nico Collins was unbelievable. Seriously, man. What a steal. Nico Collins.

This is the somebody's got to catch passes on this team guy and it actually pulled through. He's been great. two straight weeks. He kind of finished strong last year. And every once in a while, there's like a mid-round guy who's in year two, three, four of their career. They kind of finally find the right quarterback and they pop. You know, kind of like Mike Williams did three, four years ago. Nico Collins is like the late round steal of the drafts.

And I say that because nobody drafted Puka Nakua. So people that were actually drafted, Nico Collins is like the best guy outside of the top 100. We need 146 yards and a touchdown this week, nine targets. He had 11 targets week before and Stroud looks good. Stroud and Collins looked like a legit one-two punch right now.

I really like Stroud. He was my quarterback one coming into this draft class and I think there was definitely some concerns about his ability to like ad-lib and do things out of structure but he's been so solid throughout the first two games.

He had basically he's shown everything he showed at Ohio State. He's like poised, accurate, on time. He gives his receivers a chance. He, like, spreads the ball around. He leads them away from defense and all those little things that, like, really matter for a quarterback in the NFL.

And to me, like, watching him over the first two weeks, it's clear that the game is not too big for him. It's not too fast for him. So I've been really, really encouraged with what he did, even though they lost today, he threw for, like, 380-something yards or something. He was, like, all over the place. He's fourth in the league right now in passing yards, and there's no interceptions. Yeah.

So I think that this is, we talked about this offense during the offseason. It's like, stay away from this passing game. Rookies are always bad and are typically bad. And now I'm starting to think like there's maybe some hidden value in here. Like obviously, Nico Collins is on track to be a steal where he was. I think Tank Dell was really impressive today. And Robert Woods, Bobby Trees, our guy, he's another like sort of high, floor, low ceiling type of guy that you could plug into a flex if you want. and he's just going to get like six to eight targets in every game.

And so I don't know, man, this offense is a little bit more exciting than I was, that I thought it would be. I mean, overall, I feel like one of the big themes of not just the day. Well, first of all, my belief I have is that week one is overreactions, but so much of the time you actually know everything you need to know by week two. You really do. And it's incredible if you look back, like Patrick Mahomes, when he first became a starter, like four touchdowns in week one and like five in week two.

Lamar Jackson came out five touchdowns in week one. You know, MVP of 2019, MVP of 2018, Justin Herbert, week two, just two minutes before the game begins, Tyrant Taylor Stab, you got to start, kid. He's in. Like, he's good immediately. As much as we do say patience, we've had a lot of guys where they're just thrown in and you're like, yep, cool, I get it. He's there. C.J. Stroud, he already looks good. Anthony Richardson already looks good.

Justin Jefferson, third game of his career, 175 yards. And I'm like, Marvin Mims, who had the most receiving yards of the history of Texas high school football, just immediately look good. today, like two catches for 113 yards. Like, yep, he can play football. The Packers have like four players that have like a combined 15 games of experience. They all look great today. I know that they lost the game, but like they all look good. Jordan loves, six touchdowns.

I'm like, I'm looking just generally, all these guys, debball, man. Everyone look good at the dead ball. Love it. Yeah, Brian Robinson too. I touted him during the offseason in our sleepers episode as one of my like favorite sleepers and a big part of the reason was he was shot before last season and then he was still pretty good like he got shot in the leg and he was still good that we should have talked about that more I feel like I will say it was weird to talk about because I kind of like most of the

time you take numbers and you apply them from the previous season forward right and I kind of just was super confused that the idea that any of Brian Robinson's efficiency numbers should be applied to the future, as if the getting shot and returning is indicative of how he will play now. And I wish I had said that more because in retrospect, it's obvious. But like he looks just like he did at Alabama, which was like underratedly incredible. Right. It's a boring name. That's all.

Hivitz, if you were shot in the leg, how much time would you miss from this podcast, do you think? I die. I would die. So forever. just go into shock. I would not survive. First of all, Brian Robinson

like fended off the carjackers, I think. So it's like it didn't even matter. Just for, so for context, Brian Robinson through two weeks is the RB3, pending Monday night football.

Wow. He's the RB3. He is averaging 20 touches a game. This was a big part of my thesis of why I thought he was a sleeper. Because Washington's coaching staff loves this guy. He's like,

he's a coach's dream. He plays really hard. He does all the little things well. He can catch it. He can pass protect. He's just like trustworthy, tough and physical, and versatile. And he's averaging 20 touches a game. Antonya Gibson, who a lot of people thought was going to take his job, is averaging 4.5 touches a game. The volume. Yeah. And honestly, dude, Eric B. Enemy's an old school coach. JJ Zacharisen, who has a good podcast, a couple of late round podcast. His whole thing is that you should be drafting guys who are in ambiguous backfields

that are going in the middle rounds of drafts. It's like when you don't know who the 1A and 1B is, and they're kind of going within a couple rounds of one another. There's just a lot of value there because there's always a chance that one of them becomes the guy and we don't really know what these coaches are thinking. And it immediately happened with Brian Robinson and Antonio Gibson. Brian Robinson is just, you know, the workhorse. The other, what we're talking about younger guys, the other guy, I forgot to mention Anthony Richardson for the Colts.

He had 18 fantasy points in six minutes, two rushing touchdowns, and then he left with a concussion. Yeah, that's terrible. That sucked because honestly, I thought it was super indicted. I feel like for Stroud and Richardson, it's exactly what was promised. And Stroud for all these questions, like, does look decisive and does look like he's, like, processing and seeing an NFL game at NFL speed. And Richardson's exactly what we were told, which is he's kind of like Josh Allen, impossible to bring down, impossibly big and fast. And I have no idea if he can protect himself.

Maybe that's a little unfair because, you know, it's not like the play he got hurt on was like, you know, his head hit snap back. but like he clearly doesn't you know no one has less self-preservation than Josh Allen but if you know health permitting these guys both look like obvious NFL starters like for a long time it's just a question out of health it sucks that Richardson is so good and then immediately hurt I know what you're saying though like in week one Richardson got banged up on like a goal line play because he was just you know sacrificing his body essentially to like try and pick up a couple extra yards right in the red zone this this play that he got hurt on was it was a touchdown run where he kind of got, he was over the line, he was over the goal line just a little bit, and then he sort of got pushed over, and he just landed weird and hit the back of his head on the ground. So, like, that one didn't feel to me like he was,

you know, being sort of cavalier with his body or anything. So I would wait to, like, really be worried about it. But yeah, that was just unfortunate because he was, he was on pace to be, like,

the top quarterback this week. Like, he was running all over the place. They were designing runs for him. Both of his rushing touchdowns, I think, from, like, outside the,

10-yard line. I can't remember exactly how long they were, but like 15, 20-yard runs. And so, yeah, man, he's so exciting from a fantasy point of view. All right, Craig. Next up here. I wanted to talk about Marvin Mims having a great day. I stupidly dropped him after week one because he played like four snaps. And he actually still didn't play a ton of snaps today. But the Russell Wilson Moonball kind of came back. And it was such a weird day watching the Broncos because it was like, it's like the kombucha girl meme where it was like, Russ, there was a portion of the day where Russ was like six for nine for like 180 yards in a touchdown.

And it was like every ball he was thrown was like a 40-yard moon ball to Marvin Mams or Cortland Sutton or somebody. And I was like, well, like Peyton needed about a game, game and a half. And he figured out Russ and like old Russ is back. And then I checked back in 30 minutes later and Russ was like six for 13 still for 180 yards in a touchdown. I'm like, oh, maybe Russ isn't back. And then he had his weird Hail Mary thing at the end of the game. Then they don't get the two-point conversion. I was kind of like snip, snap, snip,

with Russ and the Broncos. I don't know what I think yet. Unlike what I haven't said about week two, I don't know. We don't know yet with Russ. Can you explain the Hail Mary thing? Yes. That was insane.

I don't want to just gloss over this. I don't remember the exact context of it, but essentially they were down eight. He hucked a ball from probably like the 40, the opposing 40 yard line. It landed, I think around like the five and got tipped by like three different people tipped into the end zone and then the Broncos guy caught it. It was like incredible.

It was totally just random. It was not a good throw. It's not a particularly good play design or whatever, but it worked. Craig, when you're talking, so like, when you're talking about Russell Wilson, I don't know if I just have a bad memory of, I don't have a very crystal clear memory of what it was like when Russell Wilson was a quarterback during his heyday during his elite years with the Seahawks. But part of me is like, he has always been this guy. Like, his numbers are always really good and efficient. He doesn't throw a lot of picks. But for the vast majority of the game,

I feel like I'm frustrated. Nothing's working. And then he'll hit like a 50-yard bomb down the field and everything starts to work. And during his elite years, he was running a lot. And that also helps things a lot. But I feel like Russell Wilson's really not that different.

Everyone's saying he sucks now. It's not that different from what he was with the Seahawks. Because there were so many times during the Seahawks era where it was like, I hate watching this offense so much. but then he would make these incredible plays. He pulled something out of his ass and make a touchdown down the field to tie a locker or whatever.

So I'm just trying to like remember, you know, truly I don't, I can't remember if it was ever this bad with the Seahawks or if I'm just like sort of misremembering what it was really like. But I do remember being very frustrated a lot of the times with the Seahawks offense and then he would just pull these plays out of his ass. Russell Wilson's like a very talented pickup basketball player that no one wants to play with. He, like his yards per.

His yards per attempt today were really good. Like he was like a nine something yards per attempt. Like would you say he had a good game? I don't even know if that was good. I don't even know if he had a good game. I had the same reaction as Craig did, which is I wrote down, Sean Peyton fixed Russell Wilson and then I crossed it out.

Yeah, I wrote Russ's back. Never mind. Oh my God. And like Sean Payton might hate this guy, truly. After the game, he was talking, somebody asked him about it because I think they were having some trouble getting the plays in and like on time. And it was,

they were struggling with all that and Payton's like, I don't know if we have to go to a wristband, we will. It feels like he's frustrated at them already. Yeah, clearly. I don't love watching the Broncos. You know a team?

I don't love watching even more. The Bears. I wanted to ask you guys, every year there's like teams that I just avoid in fantasy and I'm so thrilled that I do because unless the Bears are playing an important team,

I'm so happy that I don't have to watch them every week that I can just full on ignore them. Do you guys have a team that you're like that? You're happy? You just don't have to watch it every week. I would say the bears are one, but I have too much fields.

And I really already regret it because they're not running him. Like the whole thesis behind fields, and again, I don't want to get all worked up. But he had three design rushes today. What the fuck are they doing? Like, what are they doing? He's clearly not a good passer right now. Craig, didn't your dad get a sports car and then was too afraid to drive it around? And they kept it in his garage.

Wow, really kind of opening up the personal vault here. But yeah, that did happen. I thought that was kind of off-mic zoom combo between you and I. Just private, intimate moment. But yeah, my father did. He got a Corvette and never drove it because he was too afraid to nick it up and then he sold it. At least he sold it. That's the Bears.

That's the Bears when they get the first pick again and then they just trade Justin Fields away and build around someone else. They're just, we talked about this. They want Justin Fields to break up with them. That's what they want to do. They don't want to be the ones to bench him because they don't want to look bad. I didn't draft DJ Moore. I didn't get any of the running backs. There's like three of them.

I don't want any of them. Fields is impossible to watch. You have to root for him to like run a 40-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter to save your day. I don't want any of it. I'm so happy. You imagine having Cole commit like on your team? Chase Claypool cut a touchdown.

Maple Tron kind of touchdown today. Maple Tron. He's back. Dude, wait, shout out Austin Gail here at the Ringer said. Justin Fields' past attempts are basically six yards in front of of the first down marker on average or touchdown lines, I think.

Like behind. Six yards in front of the first down marker through the first two weeks, which is the second lowest mark for any quarterback to begin a season in the last 17 years. It's not great. Which is got, which is unbelievable.

So, realistically, like, what's going to happen here? Do you think they're going to bench? I'm not kidding. The Bears are going to get a high draft pick. They're going to take the quarterback and they're going to trade Justin Fields somewhere. Oh, I'm talking about before that.

Like, how many games this field have before they bench him? Well, maybe you want to lose. Like, you should just play him and have him play terribly and then all the fans don't be upset when you draft a new quarterback. I don't think there's a reason to bench him. What's another team like this, though?

Because we got to talk about one more. Like, what's the other best example? I know the bears are the best example of this this year, I think. The Cardinals, it's just James Connor. And then what? James Connor is Brown. Looks like a beast. Zach Ertz.

I mean, obviously the Falcons are frustrating. It's probably the Panthers. to be honest. Ooh. Yeah. That's the panthers. That's the right answer. Watch them have like 80 points.

I'm in air football. Now that we pick us out. Right. I will say, while we're talking about the Bucks, though, well, we're talking about the Bears,

but worth mentioning, the Bucks throttled the freaking bears and Justin Fields had like four turnovers. The Bucks on the flip side, Mike Evans looked incredible. Mike Evans is the number two receiver in fantasy football behind Tyree Kill. Love this.

I gotta take an L on this. I was really out on Mike Evans. I'm still out. So I'm digging my feet in. I'm doubling down, sell high. Mike Evan stinks. I think he is actually like a really good

so high candidate because it seems unlikely he's going to continue to get like a 28% target rate all year. That being said, Baker's risky man. Number two receiver in football right now. There was a hilarious play early in the game where he caught a pass and like juke to defender

and started running down field and just kind of just slowly ran out of gas and they caught him from behind. But I mean, he had an amazing game. 171 yards touchdown on six carry on six. on six catches. Yeah, he's just, he's balling out of his mind right now. Maybe there's what, Baker just looks to him. That's the only thing. Baker's doing that thing where you, you know,

when backups come in, I know he's not a backup, but you know when backups come in and they know they're not going to be starting for long. So they risk their body a little bit more. They get like really jacked up on like a five-yard scamper and they're like lowering their head to get the first down. For the angry run. Baker is like truly selling out on every single play because I think he knows. He's like, listen, I don't know. how many more games I got a yet starter. Like, I'm just going to, I'm just going to send it. And it's fun to watch right now.

I got to say, the bucks are way more entertaining than I thought they would be. Yeah. Baker is risking his body like he was Josh Allen, but he has neither Josh Allen's speed door size. And so he just gets rocked and I'm like, geez, man. This team has no future. Like, Mike Evans might not be on the team in two months. They basically said, we're not resigning you.

God wins a trade candidate. Like, Baker's not the long-term answer. The defense is good, but like kind of old. Like, this team is probably going to be completely different in two years. and I love that they're just like kind of good right now and they're not thinking about the future. They're in really yo mode. Two and out, baby.

Also, the teams they beat Vikings bottom three cornerback group in the NFL. Like they just, they have very few people who've played outside cornerback in their lives. Very few. Bears, worst front seven of football. The Bears don't have defensive line

of the numbers. The Bears defense is impossible. This is a house of cards. Mayfield was 26 of 34. Geez. It's the Bears. I agree Mike Evans is probably so high. Keenan Allen also,

while we're so old guys. Shout out the old guys. Keenan Allen also top five receiver in fantasy through the last couple weeks. So yeah, old guys keeping a real. The old heads. Um, let's pivot to a young guy who is not playing like a young guy. That's Kyle Pitts, who, welcome back to our weekly edition of, uh, three tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts and a lie. This week, Kyle Pitts, two catches, 15 yards. Well done, sir. Uh, 2.5 fantasy points. So 46 tight ends this week recorded more than 0.1 points. 46 tight ends. Kyle Pitts was 37th on that list.

He was 37th. So well done to Kyle. I'm going to give you guys four tight ends. Four tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts. One of them is a lie. Three of these are real. Stone Smart. Who I have to imagine is the first time many people have heard that name on this podcast.

Stone Smart is a real person. Okay. What? Will Mallory? Hold up. Hold up. That's a real person. Are you saying these are real people and one of them did not score them or that you made up one of these people?

All of these are real tight ends in the NFL who recorded more than point one fantasy points today. No, they're not. No, they recorded more than Kyle Pitts. Yes. Well, one of them didn't. So, but of the four, all of them recorded some points. Did you, are you lying and the bit's going to be you made up? Those are both real people, Stone Smart.

Hyvitz. This is like we've never played this game. Every week, Hyvich is baffled. He's like, stop. He's like, stop. I've never heard of these people, though. Stone smart. What is he on the Chargers?

No, one of these guys has to be on the Colts because the Colts had nine tight ends. Will Mallory is on the Colts. Okay. I refused to learn any of the Colts tight ends because I looked at the roster. I saw nine and I was like, this is insane. I'll figure you out. I think Will Mallory works at the ringer, but I could be wrong. we have Stone Smart, Will Mallory, Cole Turner, and Austin Hooper, my nemesis.

Austin Hooper did not because you wouldn't put Austin Hooper in a position of praise. Damn straight. That's right. You couldn't even score, outscore Kyle Pitts, Austin. Low of the low. Bitch. Stone Smart. Who is Stone Smart? That's right. Dude, the Chargers love random tight ends. Is he the third string tight end on the Chargers? I can't even tell you how much it kills me that's Stone Smart. outscored Kyle Pitts today. It just died a little bit inside.

Every week last year, it was like three Chargers tight ends would outscore Kyle Pitts in the same week. Don't you remember that? So here's my question. The Falcons, once again worth mentioning, won the game,

two and O, undefeated, the Atlanta Falcons. How long, D.K., how long can the Falcons, I'm going to ask you this every week, how long can the Falcons go undefeated until you admit Arthur Smith is a really good coach doing a great job.

12. 12 games. No, actually, if I'm being completely honest, I'm not mad at Arthur Smith today. The Kyle Pitts thing is like, again, I've sort of just washed my hands of the Kyle Pitts thing. I was more mad last week about Drake London having zero catches. Drake London went off today. I'm happy about that. Like, I can go to sleep. Went off in Falcons quotes. In Falcons terms, he went off. It wasn't a 20 target game like our friend In other words, but I mean, I'll take seven cards.

I'm not even mad. And by the way, and this is something I tried to say last time you guys kind of, Hyphitz definitely like shut me down. But like the way that they use Bijan Robinson is legitimately rad. Like the way that they're using him all over the field as like a big time receiver, they're spreading them out. Yeah, receiving. Like a lot of that stuff is very cool.

I want to say that. Put that on the record. The Kyle Pitts stuff is frustrating. But I've sort of just given up hope. for that. And this week, Drake London was fine. Drake London did well. So this is a push. I'm not going to bitch about, I'm not going to pitch

about Arthur Smith today. Falcons are my favorite team in the league and it's not even close. I love watching them. Sto smart went to old dominion. He went to Old Dominion. They played Nuga. I think they're in Nuga's conference. I could be wrong. One more note on the Falcons.

I'm ready, much like Bill Simmons did, I think after one Sequin Barclay game, in the NFL, I'm ready to declare Bajon Robinson the best running back in the league. He is. I am 100% on board of this. It's not close. Except for Pollard. Give me Bajon. This dude

is like, when you watch him, it's like he's at 1.2x speed and everyone's just at one. He's a podcast. Can we name him the podcast? No, that's not even close to cool enough to describe Bajon Robinson. The podcast? The podcast. Mike Davis's nickname is the podcast.

You know when you're like walking on You know those like flat escalators at the airport? I don't know what those are called. You know, the walking flat escalators. The one point two S speed things, yes. That's what it looks like when Bejohn's running. It's like he's just like on an escalator and everybody else isn't. He's incredible.

I truly think he's the best running back in the league. His angles, the way that he runs, he just like makes defenders take the completely wrong angle. It's like in Top Gun where he's like, I'm just going to hit the brakes and they'll fly right by. Like there's, he'll do this like three or four times on one single run where he just slightly slows up and the defender just runs past him. Yeah. It's like insane how he does this. He's just running at his speed. Kai just hit us up.

He says the internet calls those things moving walkways. I feel like we could do better. I prefer the 1.2 speed X things. I totally pick up where you're putting down where he, Bejohn makes people miss with very minimal movement. Not as herky jerky as Lamar does. it, but I will say it reminds me a little bit of Michael Vic in that ability to do it, but it's more heft.

It actually, to me, looks more like the way Miles Garrett or Michael Parsons have been lining up over the center the last couple weeks and just like, just knife jacking into the offensive line, but like without really touching them. Like, Bejohn Robinson kind of is making guys miss with like, but in more physical

way, like a defensive end. You know what I mean? He's a perfect kind of everything. He's like smooth but violent. He's like Alvin Camara mixed with Sequin Barclay. He's herky jerky, but he's also like north and south. He has a perfect blend of everything. He's got like if Percy Harvin was 230 pounds. Yeah.

That's a great way to put it. Also, he's got 10 catches through two games. I mean, yeah, he's paid for 85 catches. Believe me, I don't want to give Mr. Arthur Smith any credit, but I am pretty excited. For the teams I have Bichon Robinson, I'm like, I'm cool with that. Like, I'm fine. It'd be nice if you give him a few more like goal line things, but I'm not going to like, I'm not going to be too quibble too much with that.

Also, you know, Drake London had a great game, but unfortunately, Drake London doesn't give his shit. How many, how many years you put out? He's got the W. He doesn't care. They got the win. Doesn't matter. I'd love to interview Cowell-Bits.

I wonder if he cares. He doesn't care, you know? He might not start next week. He doesn't matter. He's not in the game plan. Yeah. What's a fantasy guys worry about it? We don't serve Drake London dinner.

He doesn't care. We got the win. by the way the Packers really blew that game that's neither here nor there but they blew it Desmond Ritter kind of frisky

is it not weird they're the same age Desmond Ritter and Jordan Love yeah yeah it's kind of weird it's like insane if you think about it

anyway I love Jordan Love even though yeah they kind of screwed up the game it's fine I mean he had three touchdowns but he was good I know

they couldn't do anything should have been in the fourth quarter quarterback in fantasy football, Jordan Love. Really? No big deal. I think so. Because he has six touchdowns.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that'll do it. All right. Time of the week. Burn book, baby. Oh, shit. I mean, we got to get, we got, I, I want to stay in Atlanta. If you know where I'm headed.

We got, we got to. At this point, we have to get out now. Yeah. We have to give it to Kyle Pitts. Just so low. I wanted to, I wanted to burn Will Mallory. just like all the preseason hype on him and Stone Smart and they're just like so disappointing.

I'm actually, I'm pretty disappointed in the three of us for ranking Kyle Pitts in the top 10. I don't know at the position. I don't know what the fuck we were doing. Next year I'm going to rank him 32nd. You know it's funny? Right. I'm dead too.

One of the first conversations we had about our rankings was should we put Kyle Pitts in an area where any one would reasonably draft him or should we just put him outside the top 100 like totally. We should. And we were like, I guess we like, I guess we like shouldn't do that. Like he's the quintessential

he's the quintessential guy who you have to rank but you're never actually going to take him kind of player. You know what I mean? Like we talked about this on shows before where we feel sort of like responsible for putting him somewhere in the region that

like he's going. You know what I mean? without just completely letting our... We had him lowest. We were the lowest on him of anywhere. We had him like in, like, I mean, really, I think we had him like in late 70s, 80. It's like, way to, we had him twice as high as we should have.

We had him twice as high. And I remember us talking. We're like, I think this is as low as we can go while maintaining professional credibility. I want to be clear, I still think he's an amazing player. I hope to God he doesn't resign with the Falcons in a couple of years.

But yeah, like, it's just, no. Why would he? Yeah, he wouldn't, I'm sure. But. Well, that must mean he doesn't care about winning. I would resign. Falcons go 19 to know, Kyle Pitts. Too-no.

Like, like stats. So can we do Kyle Pitts? Mark my words. Kyle Pitts will not be top 20 for me next year. He will not mark my words. Okay. Mind you, we, I kind of want to resolve to really believe our mental tattoos next year. Like, we really, like, should have just been, like,

I need to tattoo on the inside of my eyelids. Is it an annoying? We literally talked about Hunter Henry being better than Kyle Pitts this year. I just wish we had ranked Hunter Henry ahead of Cal Pitts. That just wasn't as crazy as it sounded. Kyle Pitts is the tight end 26 this year. That high? That honestly feels high.

And it's because he had one 40-yard catch that was really lucky last week. Yes. All right. Kyle Pitts, you're in the Bird Book. This is amazing. I hope there's another Falcon next week. Just above Will Disley. Sure.

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Thank you, Van Halen. Dude, I think the intro of jump is one of the all-time banging intros Craig, the reason I said it is because I'm pretty sure the Apple base commercial on Sunday night football had Jump as like the song. Yes! We got an email about this! Okay.

That was perfect. So, okay, I have to find this email now. Yeah, we got an email about, okay. The 80s intro of all time and it gasses me right up. Just like, yeah, like the keyboard, like the This is from... This is from Sid. I just finished listening to your episode

where you mentioned out ESPN missed out by not playing an Applebee's ad after Aaron Rogers got hurt. But while playing a game on my phone, an in-game ad came on for, you guessed it, Applebee's, and the song they were using was Jump by Van Halen. Yeah.

And that would have been a good ad for the, like a good ad for the Rogers injury. Something Rogers couldn't do, yeah, jump. So I, every now and then, there's a headline that's so ridiculous that I kind of just resolve. I'll never click on this and I'm just not going to find out if it's real or not every now and then. And I saw the dolphins one and I was like, I think this is the onion. I think this is fake.

And I'm going to see how long I can go without finding out. And I still don't know the answer. Is there a plethora of content out there of dolphins fornicating? Is that easy to find or is he kind of using his connections to get that? That audio. How is he acquiring the sound of Dolphins? Click on the ASMR hashtag on like YouTube or whatever. Like is that just like, yeah, is it all YouTube?

Is there a TikTok trend I'm unaware of? Like, like, like. I think, great, we all, we all know where to find it. I guess we do. Don't pretend. There's no king's shaming here, okay? It's like, it's okay. We're all adults.

Was he being serious? Yeah. I think you was. I think what actually happens. I refuse to click on this. I think what happens is. Rogers knows that he gets aggregated. And I think he just says shit on Pat McAfee.

And they're joking. And then it gets that. And then people write it down. And then Rogers really enjoys that clarifying. This is neither here nor there, but we've been bitching about Kyle Pitts. George Kittle has the exact same amount of points so far as Cal Pitts does this year. Ooh, good ones. Just going to throw that out there.

Wait, did you? I saw a stat today that I actually was, for the first time and forever, I was like, I think the TV people are wrong because I couldn't believe it. And I don't think they are. but I just, I couldn't believe it was true. The TV people. The George Kittle got to 400 career catches faster than Jerry Rice, which sounded impossible. What?

Really? Dude, Kittle is awesome for a while. I feel like he doesn't catch the ball that often. Yeah, he got to 400 catches today. He beat Jerry Rice. And I'm like, the guy who led the tight ends in receiving in 2018 and has like three catches of game since then, I could, it was stunning to me. maybe Jerry Rice wasn't that good.

Yeah, yeah, maybe. I think we had Kittle ranked higher than Pits, by the way. Yeah. They both have 7.9 points in half BPR. Yeah, but you know what? The difference is George Kittle has. George Kittl had like 11 touchdowns last year. I don't feel as bad.

Cow pitts might not finish his career with 11 touchdowns. Like, Calpitz, we don't know that Kyle Pitts will have 11 touchdowns. I think, I think, I think Puka Nakua had more catches today than Kyle Pitts has had in the last six games. So, yo, that's actually what we need to figure out. How many games will it take for Pukua to surpass Kyle Pitts and career catches? Because Kyle Pitts right now is like 98. Yeah. I'm not even, that sounds like a joke, but Pukunukua has 25.

He has one quarter of the way to Kyle puts his number. He's a quarter of the way there. Statistically, by week eight, he will surpass Kyle Picks. That's, no, by week four. No, that'll get him 50 catches by week four. No, he's 25 catch. Oh, yeah, right. It's late.

It's late on the East Coast. Man, my wife is like 15 feet behind me on the other side of a wall. And I can't wait to walk in. She's like, every day I'm like, so, yeah, I always have to explain the last 10 minutes of the show. She's like, so what was going on there? Normalized coming fast? What are you talking about? Talking to America here, honey.

Can't talk right now, babe. America's calling. I'm talking to America. Oh, my God. All right. Did I do the thank yous? Yes. We talked about Van Halen briefly.

Right. Yeah, jump. All right, yeah. All right, America. Goodbye, everyone.