The Ringer NFL Show - Week 2 Winners, Losers, and Awards

Episode Date: September 19, 2022

We recap Week 2 by giving out awards like Winner of the Week, the Fastest Kid Alive, the Panic Button, I’m Not Mad Just Disappointed, the Dead Dove Award, and many more before we induct another player into the 2022 Fantasy Burn Book. Check out our Weekly Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, my name is Kevin Clark. I'm the host of a new football podcast called Slow Newsday. I want to tell you about it. On Mondays, Lindsay Jones and I will recap the weekend in football that was, as well as look ahead to what's next. On Wednesday, the normal Slow Newsday, the thing you've been watching for years, current players, current coaches, current analysts talking about the football world. And on Friday, it's a wildcard.

Could be some college football. Could be more pro stuff. It's a video podcast so you can watch it on Spotify or listen to it wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Spotify. It's Slow Newsday. For your fantasy football show, my name is Danny Hypertz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck.

Sunday of week two is over. It was insane. As our colleague, Ringer, the Ringers, Roger Sherman pointed out, there was not a single team to come back and win after being down 20 points all of last season. Today it happened twice. So that's the kind of day it was in the NFL. We're going through our categories. We're going to tell you who won, who lost.

Well, not just the games, but generally speaking. All our awards were given them out. Craig, who is your first winner of the week? So the subcategory of the winner of the week, I'm going to call the Fastest Kid Alive Award. I don't know if you guys have seen Super Bad. He's a freak. He's a Fastest Kid Live.

I'm giving that to just everybody on the Miami Dolphins, man. I love this. Tua, Tunga Viloa, Tyree Kill, and Jalen Waddle had just about the greatest fantasy football day a trio could ever have. They had a combined 112 fantasy points. Between the three of them. Tua threw for 469 yards. He threw for six touchdowns, two picks.

Tyree Kill, 190 yards, two touchdowns. Jalen Wattle, 171 yards, two touchdowns. It's the first time a pair of teammates in NFL history have had 10 plus catches, 150 plus yards, and two receiving touchdowns in the same game. What's funny about all this is that Tyree Kill caught these two deep touchdowns. They were both underthrown balls by Tua. The subplot behind like this great story of Miami,

coming back down huge in the fourth quarter to beat Baltimore is one. Lamar Jackson had a better game fantasy wise. He had 42 fantasy points. He had 20. And also, it's like I actually don't still know if two is that good. I just think the speed of Jalen Wattle and Tyree Kill is unlike anything I think I've ever seen in an offense. And you combine that with McDaniel's really like smart, unique play calling where they don't

run the ball, but they still have that same kind of yards after the catch effect that the Kyle Shanahan hit offense has. and it just gets Waddle and Tyreek wide open in space and anybody in the NFL can make that throw and today it was the perfect combination of everything and it was an absolute explosion for Miami. It's kind of like when Ricky Bobby and Cal Nautner are on the team but then they just add Janjarat and like that's the speed.

It's just like he's sipping his macchiato. They're just shaking and baking each other. Waddle and Tyreek are drafting behind one another. It's crazy. But Craig brings up a good point, D.K., is too good at football or what? I mean, so look, I think to do what he did today, yeah, you have to be kind of good, right? Dude, I don't know. He doesn't look that good.

Every ball is like underthrown and Waddle and Tyreek have to make up for it. Has anyone ever thrown six touchdowns and we're out here, but like, but are they good? Are they good? Six touchdown, he's tied for second most ever of all time in the NFL. Like, he have to be kind of good to do that. Matt Flynn threw five touchdowns in a game. Don't forget that. That's true.

Good point. If it is true, I mean, I can't remember that exactly, but yes. Look, I don't understand. stand the stat line and I refuse to respond to it. I think it's funny because, like, yes, the two touch, there was two really deep throws that he, like, underthrew, basically Tyree Kill had to wait for them to get there.

But Tyree Kill is ridiculously fast. And I don't think anyone is, like, making the jump that, like, Tua's anything near like Patrick Mahomes. Like, we're just not really used to seeing Tyreek play with a guy that's not Patrick Mahomes. It's been a while since he was with Alex Smith, like, years ago. But, I mean, like, if you

go back and watch some of the plays that Tua made, like his touchdown throw to Mikeaseki was really impressive in the back of the end zone right by the upright. I don't know. I think the way that I look at is like he's good enough to run this offense. And that's really all that matters. Because this is an offense that has like a really unique combination of speed, like the most unique combination of speed we maybe have ever seen in the NFL.

Like this is one of the reasons I was kind of excited about the dolphins coming in is like, we just really haven't seen this. Plus when you add in the scheme that gets guys open and gets guys the ability to do run after the catch. Like, we were already seeing, like, what that can mean. And so, I don't know. I think he's good enough to run this offense. And that's really kind of, like, all we need from a fantasy point of view.

Yeah, he's good enough to run the offense. I don't, I don't think anyone is saying he's elite. Like, I mean, maybe some of the two and a non or whatever people are going to say that. But, like, do you think anyone is going to be like, oh, he's a little elite quarterback now? Well, the funny thing about this is, I bet you the majority of people who had two on their fantasy team didn't start him. Right. Like, all of these points were. calories today, I bet for the majority of fantasy rosters out there. But like, I think that people

are in a pickle now because let's say they have a guy like Kirk Cousins, Tom Brady, Joe Burrow, Russell Wilson as the quarterback they drafted and they have a backup on their bench or maybe Tua's on waivers and you get them on your team or whatever. Next week, two is playing the bills. Do you start Tua? Maybe. Has there ever been a guy who threw six touchdowns put up 40 fantasy points and you're like, eh, should I start them next week? I don't know. So here's the other part that I think is very fascinating about this whole thing is their pass rate is way higher than we were expecting, I think, coming into the season, because Mike McDaniels coming from the 49ers, where they're one of the slowest, most run-heavy teams in the NFL.

You know, that was the foundation of their offense. In week one, I saw this from Establish the Run, they were first in the NFL in expected pass- rate over expectation. What was that mean? They were expected, like, based on the game script or whatever, they were expected to run the ball. I think it was like 48% of the time. Oh, because they're winning a lot.

No, no, this, I think, eliminates, like... It's supposed to remove context. Right. So, like, based on the game script, they would have expected them to run the ball or to pass the ball 48% of the time. They passed it. Instead, they passed it like 60-something percent of time.

And the difference in that was the highest in the NFL. So basically, they were a lot higher. So simplify it, like, they were one of the most past-heavyest teams compared to what you'd expect based on the game. But the larger point, though, is it's very, it's hard to get that number in a two-week sample because the Ravens literally return

the opening kickoff of this game for a touchdown. They were immediately down 7-0. The Ravens were at halftime 28 to 7. So, I mean, the elephants kind of played horribly to begin this game. And so I'm kind of torn because it's funny, there were two games like this today, right? Like, the Rams, I mean, the Falcons were down 28 to 3.

And then we almost had this, like, poetic NFL exorcism. And I remember thinking, this has someone happened to me twice in one day. I remember thinking, why is Lamar Jackson even in this game at one point? Like, it's like 35 to 14. I'm like, shouldn't you come out? And then the same thing with Cooper Cup, where Cooper Cup, like, I was like, should he be playing?

And then he fumbles and actually almost loses them the game. But with Tua, I guess I look at the Dolphins as I feel like Tua, I don't know enough about Formula One. But I guess I would say he's probably like an average. The perception has been like an average, maybe a below average driver. We'll see how good the car is. It seems like the car might be incredible. maybe he's earned enough to be like an above average driver. But even that's kind of tough

because you look at the list of quarterbacks. I mean, I'm sure we'll get like first take tomorrow with like Stephen A arguing about whether is, is two a just better than DAC already? It's going to be like, is Tua better than Joe Burrow? Exactly. No, but in reality, I think that if you just watch the freaking things, the incredible part, so Nate Tice, I think,

Nate Tice, who does the pot of the maze at the athletic, what this offense has is gravity. It's the gravity that Tyree Kian. and Jalen Waddle create with their space. And again, if you zoom out, maybe you need a bong rip. But if you zoom all the way out, I think that spacing in the NFL is very much kind of you think of it like spacing in basketball. The way that Steph Curry, because Steph Curry can like legitimately make a three-pointer

if he's open from like 35 feet away from the basket, you have to shift defenders. Like he has a gravity and he pulls defenders toward him. Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle are so fast. They're really, is it fair to say they're two of the five fastest people in the NFL like period? Tyreeks easily number one. Jalen Waddle's in this small, small group of people who are in the quote-unquote running to be two.

And when they're in the same field together, Nate Tice had a tweeted a screenshot of just Jalen Wadle and Tyrake Hill running go routes in either side of the field. And there was just no defenders for like 20 yards down the field and then they just threw a screen. And it's like that's what it is.

So I'm not trying to take anything away from two. Two guys that can tilt the field. Yeah, exactly. But to this insane degree. So I'm not trying to take anything away from Tua. I think that it's kind of, I wish I had a better analogy, but it's kind of like if you're having a car chase and you just have these two incredible cars, you know what I mean?

Well, that's kind of what I was trying to get at, basically, when Craig asked me as Tua good. I'm like, he's good enough. Like, the way that this offense is, like, put together, it seems as though he, like, has the arm strength and the accuracy to, like, get the ball to his playmaker. and let him do their thing. I thought it was interesting how Waddle came out of his game

out of the gates. Like he was on fire. He had, I don't even know what it was, but he was like way ahead of Tyree Kill like three quarters of the way through the game. And then all of a sudden Tyreeks came. He was cramping up the whole game.

Tyree. Yeah. But I think it is like, Hyves, like you were saying, and like Nate was saying is like just the gravity and the way that they tilt the field. Like when you have two guys that are doing that,

like, you have to really pick your poison as a defense. And what if both guys are fucking poison? Like, it's like very, schematically, I think it just makes it so difficult for opposing teams to work with. So the other thing I will say, since this is a fantasy pod, it's awesome that they are funneling almost all their targets to these two guys.

Going back throughout history, I saw this, I think on Reddit. I found this on Reddit. Their combined 82.1 fantasy points, sorry, their combined 82.1 PPR points is second only to Jerry Rice and Mike Scharard's performance in like 1990. So this is like an all-time performance from two receivers in a game. I mean, they each had 11 catches, each of them. It's amazing. Wait, so they're also the first pair of teammates in NFL history to both have 10 catches, both of 150 yards, and two receiving touchdowns in the same game.

I read that earlier in the pod. You clearly were on Twitter. No, I thought, did you say that? I did. Okay. I wasn't sure. You always get mad at DK for scrolling and not listening. You just got dropping pants down.

Yeah, what's up now? It just wasn't that memorable. Real quick, before we move on from the game, we do need to, like Craig, you mentioned already, but Lamar Jackson had somehow scored more points than Tua in this game, despite the fact that Tua literally is tied for second all time and passing touchdowns in a single game. So I thought it was just, number one,

it was just reassuring to see Lamar Jackson kind of go off like he did, because last week he had 213 passing yards and 17 rushing yards. Like that, to me, is like, that was like, oh God, like maybe we were overestimating kind of like what Lamar can do this year coming in because I think we were all pretty high on him coming into the season, but he had 318 yards passing three touchdowns, nine rushes, 119 yards in a touchdown,

42.6 fantasy points. He's a QB1 in the week. So just wanted to shout that out. Pay him $300 million, guaranteed. Well, he also gets the Craig's award for fastest kid alive. Yeah, that whole entire game. His rushing touchdown was erased. His rushing touchdown was so cool.

There's the fastest game alive. Lomor only had two touchdowns all last year. Did you notice how he almost got caught near the end? And then he's just kind of like toying with the guy. And then the guy dove and he just kind of like moved his feet. He's like, ha, ha, like you can't catch me. That was like me at the end of all the Fandel reads, right around when I get to like West Virginia. And I'm just like, well, dancing into the end zone.

You know you got it in the bag. Yeah. I wish I had the confidence to do literally anything like that. Okay. We got to go to the losers of the day. Oh. It probably isn't the very nice term, but I mean, Trey Lance for the 49ers.

Yeah, very rough scene, yeah. Trey Lance broke his ankle. He was out for the season. I said that word season. I don't know. Sorry. But a lot of people who listen to the show have Trey Lance. And we're going to talk about how to replace Trey Lans if you have him on your team.

First, though, we're just going to talk about the 49ers without him. I mean, so Jimmy G came in. Jimmy G. I mean, he played well, like the 49ers won the Sealk suck. Jimmy G looked happy. Visibly elated, prancing around. on the sideline. Happy that Lance has hurt,

but like, I think Jimmy smiled more in this game than I've ever seen Jimmy smile at a game. It's almost like he knew. He was like signing autographs before the game,

great mood. It really seems like a good dude. Can you imagine if the 49ers had traded him like last week? And then this all happened? Like, man. Has a front office move ever aged so well so quickly

than them retaining Jimmy G? And they made him take a pay cut. This is a disaster for the Niners. Like, just pure football here for a second. this is like better for them in the short term. Like if we're being honest, their Super Bowl odds tomorrow, they go up, right?

Yeah. Like they're more likely to win the Super Bowl now than they probably were, right? Like they're a better team purely for 2022. But beyond this year, this is a disaster. Jimmy Gropel is an unrestricted free agent next year. Trey Lance is going to go into year three as an NFL player. Having played three games with a broken ankle now.

Four starts in the NFL. And the fourth one he played, He didn't even play a quarter in this game. He got hurt in the first quarter. So you got a guy really with three NFL games going into his third season. First of all, after next season, he's going to be eligible for a contract extension. He hasn't even played. He's going to a year from now, he's going to be going into like week one, you know, 50 weeks, whatever.

He's going to go into week one next year. He's 23 games removed from high school. They'll still have no idea who he is. He'll still have no reps. He still will be adjusting to NFL game speed. and then they're going to go through season. What are they going to do? Like extend him and commit to him?

It's like, do they bring Jimmy Gropolo back again? Like the fact you even asked that question. It's not a whole other summer of this. It's hard not to wonder with this. Like, here's the irony of all the thing of all this. If the Niners had just stuck with their, you know who got drafted at the original? Like they traded up to get Tray Lance.

You know who got drafted at the original slot they had? Michael Parsons. That's the guy who was at. Imagine if the Niners just had Michael Parsons. Oh, man. You know what I mean? So if you're a Niners fan, this is tough. I mean, yeah, I imagine it's probably like a weird feeling right now because like you said,

it actually may be good for them in the short term in terms of he's like a veteran presence. He's done it before. Like he has the respect of the, of his teammates in the locker room, all this stuff. Like that's actually what you're looking for. Trey Lance was a mystery box, really, going forward. Turns out the mystery box was not a boat. Yeah. But it is extremely tough.

like Hyphitz, you, you touched on it a little bit, like, but the big worry and the big concern coming in with Trey Lance was like his lack of playing experience. His lack of like total passes in his entire career going back to college. Like, he just hadn't thrown that many passes, didn't have that much experience. He missed a season because of COVID or whatever. Like, there was that, like, all that affected his, like,

ability to get a bunch of experience coming into the NFL. I mean, you saw the same thing with, like, for instance, Jordan Love. but yeah it's just I don't know like that again it just pushes everything forward a year it makes it so much difficult for them to evaluate him and build around and know whether they want to build around it

whether they want to make him the long term answer it's just tough plus the irony of all this was that they gave up like two future first rounders they basically used if you used a pick to take a player they basically used three first run picks to take Lance the irony of all this was they did it mostly because Jimmy Garapolo was not always available and now Jimmy's available

and Trey Lance is not. Speaking of which, Tray Lance is also not available for fantasy purposes. And now if you have, a lot of people I know listening to this have Trey Lance. Now you have to replace them.

And I mean, it's kind of nuts. If you look at the quarterbacks available, like who's actually playing well, we mentioned Tua. I mean, the list of quarterbacks, we were talking about it.

It's actually just, we're giving them all the Brandon Cooks Award. It's just a bunch of players we don't want to admit are good. Like, D.K., should people add Carson Wentz to replace Trey Lance? I mean, yes, I would have a hard time telling them not to at this point.

I mean, he is, I think after two weeks, he's the QB2 in fantasy. So yes, add him. I think if he's still out there, he's definitely like one of the top guys to potentially add. I don't think, I don't think there's going to, like, keep going in this, like, exact trajectory. I don't think Carson Wentz is going to be the overall fantasy QB2 this season. You don't? No, I don't. But I think the bottom line is, though, like, he's looked a lot better than I expected.

importantly and crucially he has a pretty damn good skill position group around him like we were texting during the games like John Dodson Curtis Samuel were like are these two guys actually better than McLaren we were kind of saying it like you know tongue and cheek or whatever because McLaurin did end up having a pretty good game

but like this is a very good fantasy or this is a very good skill player group around him to support him make things easier on it and the defense is awful which is good because they keep falling behind they were down 22 to zero and that's really what it is I don't even think Carson Wentz looked that good it's almost like one drive they look atrocious and punt after like a horrendous three and out. And then the next drive, he throws a deep ball and one of them comes down with it.

And then they're in the red zone and it works out. Like it's really not any beautiful style of play. It's not fun to watch at all. We have another award that's like just wait, just check the box score. Like that is also Carson Wentz. You can't watch any of it. But by the end of the day, this stat line will actually look decent. The defense is sustainably bad, right?

It's not just like a fluke bad. It's like, no, the Washi defense is awful. which is weird because they have a lot of talented players. They don't though. They've got some injuries right now. Yeah, they've got a lot of injuries right now, so that's tough. And Jack Deerea is an abysmal defensive coordinator. Yeah.

So if we just look at the whole season right now. So Carson Wentz is, I mean, it depends what site is. Carson Wentz is actually, he's roster like more than half of leagues. Tua is as well. So let's say that they're both taken. Who's next? I mean, Jared Goff? I know.

I was just going to run down the list of like the top 10 quarterbacks this week. or whatever. But like two is up there, obviously, he's number two. Carson Wentz is number three. Joe Flacco, number five. Unreal. Jared Goff, number six. Joe Flacco is over 100 passes in two weeks.

Joe Flacco, I'm pretty sure, has the same amount of passes in the first two weeks of the season that Trey Lance has in his entire career. Oh, my God. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah, that is weird. Flacco had 300 yards, four touchdowns today, no picks.

you don't add him right people were talking about getting benched too people like I think there was a big contingent of Jets fans who want him benched at least before they did before the fourth quarter of this last week all right how about we like sleep on this so we're going to do our waiver show tomorrow let us sleep on it before one of us punched drunkenly suggests to like that recommends Jared Kauf yeah exactly uh what's our next award here Craig

it's the I'm pretty bummed I drafted Tom Brady in the only year of his career he's fucking wash I waited 20 years to draft this man and he sucks now Craig he's been good in fantasy for like forever literally almost your whole life yeah

every you have like conscious thoughts this is the year you drafted him well he like when did he got drafted when I was like five and he was like the number two quarterback in fantasy last year led the league in touchdowns and he's been terrible

he has 20 points through both games this year 20 points in two games last year at this point at 58. I know like the Bucks are a dumpster fire, but still. You could have just had Joe Flacco. I could have just had Joe Flacco or Jared Gough or Carson Wentz or Tua, I guess. And yeah, it's just, it's a massive bummer. Two and more points in the fourth quarter today than Brady has on the season.

I've literally never had Tom Brady on a fantasy team because I think since he was like 38, I was like, eh, he's getting older now. He's going to fall off a cliff. Now you waited until he was 45 fucking years old and he missed like three weeks of training camp. Relatively cheap in an auction draft and I was like, fuck it. I got Brady now. This is so fantasy. I went in on some of the fun and he's been

miserable. He's like throwing it 28 times a game. He has no receivers. His offensive lines of mess. I love Craig. By the way, this is how fantasy poisons our mind. You're like, the Tampa Bay, I said the exact same thing when we were talking pre-show. Like the bucks are a dumpster fire. They're also 2-0.

Like they've won both games. They beat Jack Prescott and then they beat the Saints. I did. I just. I just think it's so funny, but like, it is, I have the exact same experience. Like, I finally waited. I'm like, okay, I don't Brady this year, finally. But like, I never have. Yeah, I really should have not been because the offensive line injuries, the receiver

injuries. I do think it will get better as the year goes on, but man, it is grim. And it literally has to. It can't get much worse. Well, it could get worse. He's like Andy Barton right now. What are you talking about? He gets, he's averaging 10.

Well, okay, I guess he could retire. We already done on Wednesdays. If he's on the field, I don't think it can get much worse than Tom Brady averaging 10 fantasy points a game. If it's so, he's so literal. Jesus. But imagine how low stakes. Literal doctor. Literal doctor.

God, dude. He's all right. Imagine how like relatively low stakes this isn't fantasy because you can just, you could probably just get a quarterback easier. This is why psychologically we've just always been afraid to get Kelsey or Derek Henry in the last couple of years just because it's like, man. Yeah. You just get the only year attractive. Travis Kelst's career that he's bad. I'm going to, my first, I think I have my first tattoo of the season, my first

Memento tattoo that I'm going to remind myself in 11 months. I'm going to say, if the guy is at a point in his career where there's a chance he completely falls off a cliff, don't draft that guy. There's plenty other guys who have the same upside who don't have the risk of completely falling off a cliff. Well, don't draft him as if it's impossible. Yes. Yes.

Okay. We're going to get, right now we got the Cooper Cup Award for the play. you wish you had drafted more of. Dude, Amon Rost St. Brought, he's the league winner. Seriously. Like, he is the league winner. He is the Cooper Cup of this year. He is the Cooper Cup.

He's not going to have the Triple Crown, but like, he is the guy. He is the middle round receiver that has left in, he is an elite player now. Like, he is a top 10 wide receiver. And when I say top 10, I mean, it's Cooper Cup and Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, and Devante Adams and Stefan Diggs. And like, Amon Ross St. Brown's on that freaking list. Yep. A cup, like, he's, he is there.

And like, get you. to it. In real life, we'll see. Fantasy, 100%. Here is a list of players in NFL history who have eight straight games with eight catches. It's Antonio Brown, it's Michael Thomas, it's a Monash, St. Brown. That's the list. He might be good, turns out. I will give you another list. Every player in NFL history who have had eight catches and a touchdown in six straight games. So it's eight catches and a touchdown in six straight games. It's literally just on Ross St. Brown. Oh, he's so good.

He's the first player ever. And the lions in general are just a bit more of a frisky offensive fantasy team than I think, and real-life team than I think any of us really expected. Yeah, I think there was a picture, there was a world in which you can picture them being really good because their offensive line is coming together and, like, is pretty good. They obviously can, like, really get push in the run game. But, I mean, when you have an elite offensive line or like a really good offensive line, at least, a pretty good run game.

And then a quarterback like Jared Goff, who has produced pretty big numbers in the past, now he has like a bunch of weapons in the past game. Like, I don't know, I feel like maybe we should have like seen this coming a little bit more, but it is the Lions. And so, yeah, I think you just kind of like get anchored to the history or whatever of the recent years with the Lions. But man, yeah, Alman Ra St. Brown, he's averaging like 25 points a game in his last eight games. That's like, he's 12 targets.

Again, yeah. The whole thing with Amonra was the final six, eight weeks. depending on account, he basically was a top two receiver. It was like him and Cooper Cup and Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase. It was like he was in that group and everything and the targets and everyone's like, well, Hawkinson got hurt and Gianjew Swift came back and or it was going to, so like it won't be the same. I have to, we didn't talk about him a ton on the pod, but like our ranking, if you used to fantasy football dot the ringer.com rankings, we had a monroe really high and hope, I mean,

hopefully you have him. I mean, he has 24 targets this season. Like Jamar Chase is 25. Jamar Chase, they played all overtime. The Bengals have been down in both games. Like, he is that level. And so it's kind of crazy how he's exactly as good as he was last year when even the most high people that you could possibly find, like the most optimistic Lions fans you could

find, we're probably not going to say, yeah, he'll be exactly as he good last year. And he's exactly as good as he was last year. Yep. He basically has the exact same amount of points as Cooper Cup this season so far. And this Lions team is Jameson Williams coming back in the second half of the year. Field stretcher, gravity, like we were talking about with the dolphins. I don't know. This is exciting. The other guy I wanted to throw into this list is

Christian Kirk of the Jags, who is with Monday Night Football is still pending, but as of now, he is the wide receiver 5 in FPPR. He's averaging 22.8 points for game. 18 targets, 12 catches, 195 yards, two touchdowns total this year. He had six catches this week and 78 yards and two touchdowns. He has a 26% target rate this season.

He is exactly what we thought he'd be and hoped he'd be. probably actually a lot better. So that's exciting. And I think this is, I'm not going to say it's going to be repeatable all throughout the season, but I do think like a 23, 24% target rate is like very realistic. So I imagine he's still going to get a ton of production going forward. Yeah, he's just the number one in an offense that is competent now. And there's not a ton of weapons on that team.

And it makes sense that I don't see a scenario in which he doesn't command close to double digit targets every single game. Yeah. I think coming into the season, we were like, why is this guy going? He was the wide receiver of 40 in ADP. And we were all like, he was, I think, a popular sleeper for all of us this year. And so it's definitely cool to see it all panning out. Trevor Lawrence looks pretty good, especially relative to last year. It's just amazing how much of a difference good coaching can make.

The next award here is the Arrested Development's the I have the worst fucking attorneys. Which I, dude, some of these coaches, man. look, I always seriously do try to come from the perspective of like all these coaches know a lot about football. Like, actually true, they've forgotten more about football than like I will know like that. It's 100% true. Having said that, I also think that sometimes you can know so much that it's difficult to synthesize very important things in the moment perhaps. You know what I mean? Sure. You know, it doesn't always, as my mom would say smart, smart stupid. Holy shit, man, Nate Hackett for the Broncos. Oh my God. So, like, obviously, Nate Hackett for Denver.

He's under a ton of heat this week. Obviously, everyone saw money in football and, like, he chooses to do a 64-yard field goal instead of just having Russell Wilson go for it and fourth and five. The odds were basically a, he chose a four and a half percent option over 45 percent. Whatever. He admitted the next day that it was a mistake. Okay, make a mistake. It's your first game. Whatever, what it is what is.

I actually think what he did this week was worse. I really do. Like, the Broncos were on the goal line. They have fourth and goal with the one. Acquet decides to go for it. Changes his mind since the field goal unit on. But because he took so long, the field goal unit got a delay of game.

And it's like, all right, whatever. They go from the one to the six. Who cares? It doesn't matter, right? They make the feel goal anyway. They do it again later. They did the same thing. Like he sends that he's like,

he's like waffling. He's the head coach and the play caller. And then he changed his mind, runs the field goal unit on, and they get to delay a game again. But this time it turned like a 52-yard field goal. into a 57 and then they punted because he took so long. It's like, I realize he's the kombucha girl every time they have to go for it or not

now because everyone just shaved him. He's like, eh, ooh. He's like, I, shut up. Do I want to go? No, no, no, no, no, I can feel cool. Well, I have never, maybe this is more of a college football thing, maybe. Now, obviously, you know, like, in the NBA or whatever, like, fans will just like, like, shout the wrong shock clock.

Yeah. Like at the opposing team. The Broncos fans were yelling the correct game clock at Russell Wilson and the Broncos because they had the delay of games. Have you guys ever seen this? I've never seen this. I can't remember ever seeing this. Your own fans yelling down the five, four. I've never in my life for your own team at home.

But do you, I almost think they were, do you think they were genuinely trying to help or were they like passive aggressively insulting their own team? What do you think, Craig? 70,000 drunk people just being. like they need us. Well, this is like, last week they were running the play clock down to like one every fucking play. And that's a big part of the reason that they like messed up a couple of plays against the Seahawks.

And then this week, same deal. It was just like, somebody needs to like make a decision. Get in there and call the play and run the freaking play because this is ridiculous. Well, that's thing. They lead the league already in delay of games and false starts. But you're right, D.K., this is the Russell Wilson thing where it, you know what? Honestly, we made this joke, but it's really true. When Russell Wilson came to Denver and said,

tempo, tempo, we want to play his pace. It's really like aspirational the same way when you set an alarm, like an hour earlier than you know you're going to get out of bed. It's like a New Year's resolution. Yes. We're going to play a pace to shit. No, you're not. But the Broncos fans are just getting used to this.

And they're just like, you see the delay a game twice. And then every time it takes down, you're worrying like, oh my God, are they going to do it again? Well, that was what I was saying to you guys, like, during the game, it was like, welcome to the Russell- Experience Denver fans. Like, this is the exact same shit that we've been dealing with for last 10 years. It's like he plays three quarters of a game, looks like dog shit, and then pulls magic out of like his ass in the fourth quarter to win the game.

And that's basically what happened here in this game. He did make a couple of good throws to like give them the win. But for the most part, like he just looked completely lost. Like there was a point in the game where he was like, I think he had like six completions at halftime or something ridiculous. He'd look terrible. I mean, he was 14 for 31 on the day. Here's the thing.

I feel like the Seahawks with Russell Wilson once the Legion of Boom disintegrated, there was all this consternation of like, well, is it Russ's fault for the way he plays or is it to be Carol for his style of football? And it reminds me of a couple that like maybe you're friends with a couple and it's just like, it's just not going well and you hear things about both sides. And then they break up and there's time. And then they're with other people. And you're like, oh, and you're like, oh, they're both individually toxic.

and they were just together. And I look at Russ, and I'm like, Russ is toxic. Like, obviously Russ's style of play is just all two games in where like this is the way it is. Then you look at the Seahawks, and you're like,

they put four running backs to the fucking field at the same time and then had one of them throw. And I'm like, neither of you desert. Like, it was both of your fault, obviously. They're both crazy. Yeah.

Dude, the Seahawks did that twice in a row. What? They had four running back. on the field. I don't even know what happened to the first play. And the second one, he threw the pick right to the linebacker.

It's so ironic that, like, Pete Ball is all about running the ball, controlling the clock, not turning it over, like making the other team essentially shoot themselves in a foot. They put four running backs on the field

and ran it, and they still threw a pick. Too much. Do less. Too much. Too much. Too less. Sorry,

they didn't run it. They tried to throw a pass, but like, yeah. It feels like a, like a bad joke about Pete Carroll that he would put four running backs on the field and how much,

have one of them throw. Anyway, speaking about coaching, we don't have to go in all under the Cardinals and stuff, but I do just have to quick, while we're talking about delay games, I have never, I can't remember the last time I felt so, such a shift in my feeling about a particular game, but the Arizona Cardinals game, I feel like Kyler Murray showed everything in this game, about, like, why he went first overall. Kyler Murray just still looks like he's playing in high school, but Cliff Kingsbury, the fact that Cliff Kingsbury got a convent. contract extension with Steve Kime, Cliff Kingsbury. This is like malpractice.

They had a two point conversion for the game. And then the other team, they took a timeout and then the Cardinals got to delay a game. Yeah, that was, that was, that was. You get a delay a game out of a timeout. Yeah. Also, the two point conversions, they, believe it or not, they have that all written down beforehand. They got a list. They're not just trying to think like it's mad and you're like, oh, what should we run here?

they just have a list of place. And they just, I don't know. It's literally inexplicable to come out of a timeout and get a delay again with the game on the light. And yet they still get it, which is exactly who the Cardinals are. And then they got it. Yeah. Because hey, Kyler, go do some shit. But speaking of, there was, this is not about Cliff anymore.

I just want to like vent a little bit about the camera work in this Cardinals game. Did you guys, were you guys watching this game closely? There was like every time Kyler started scrambling, the, that, the camera, took that as license to just slowly dramatically zoom in. The longer that he scrambled, the fucking closer the camera got to Kyler. And by the time Kyler,

actually passed the line of scrimmage, it was like, they can't even keep up with Kyler because he's like running around so fast. Zoom out, my friend. Just zoom out. I want to see more than two players. You know, think about this. I was furious.

Before you slander the cameraman, think about this. Every cameraman who's shooting an NFL game Every single one of those guy I wanted to be Roger Deacons And now they're shooting NFL games This is my moment I was just say the last thing in the world I was thinking when Kyler was running around

For two different two point conversions First of all he ran 85 yards And next time they tracked him He ran 85 yards to get the two yards So I'm saying by the time he was like on yard 80 Like you could literally could not see other players I wasn't worried at one I wasn't thinking about the cinematography

Maybe email us at ringer fantasy football Gmail. Oh my God it was driving me insane I'm like I want to see where the other fucking players are doing So we wanted to add a little Spice. Maybe he wasn't ready for Kyler to run 85 yards in the backfield. Just you don't have to do anything. Just fucking keep, take your finger off of the zoom button and you'll be fine. How dare you reduce his job to a zoom button?

I can't believe. This is ridiculous to me. No, it's not. So, dude, oh my God. And then by the time Kyler was ready to throw the football, he can't keep up where the ball is because he's zoomed in so far. You know, that's called suspense. Some people call that suspense, D.K., that he was building. Isn't storytelling just about what information? you don't, you know, reveal in the beginning. He's an autort.

I'd love it if there was one NFL cameraman who just, like, did, he just had carte blanche. He could just film it however he wanted. You're like, oh, shit. We got, this one's in black and white. All right. We got whips zooms. Serita Williams' last game,

like, you could tell that they were having such fun editing it because the last point, they kept cutting to Spike Lee, filming it on his iPhone, who was obviously, like, the coolest person you could do. And Spike Lee was, like, setting up his shot. I'm like, wow, what a meta, like, camera person porn moment they had right there. I want cross dissolves.

Let's get frisky. Good Lord. Honestly, the Cardinals are cross-dissolving. That's honestly what's happening in Arizona. Nice. Okay. They won. Go to the panic.

They won the game, by the way, everybody. I would like to point out they won. All right, but they did. That's different. It's like Tom Brady. It's like Tom Brady fucking sucks. We're fucking poisoned by fantasy brain. No, no, that's real brain.

My dad hates fantasy so much because I totally I like stopped rooting for the Steelers if I had the guy on the other team. My dad's like, you don't even want the Steelers to win. You just want Stefan Diggs to catch a touchdown. Like, I'm down six, dad. You never hear me. So Panic Button, Craig's dad is pressing Panic Button on Craig.

Yeah, Panic Button Award. I'm giving it to two guys, two running backs. Nagy Harris, which, you know, we saw this coming. The Canary and the Coal Mine was his foot injury. like a week before the season started. And then the rest of the Steelers' offense has been kind of a disaster. And Najee's not playing as much as it's a huge problem. Like his whole thing was he got like Christian McCaffrey level usage.

She was on the field like 90 plus percent of the time. And now that's just not the case. He's getting like 75 percent of the running back carries. Like Jalen Warren, the rookies getting mixed in a little bit more. The Steelers also don't score points, which is a huge problem. They don't move the ball down the field. Naji Harris has 72 rushing yards this season. Their offensive line is really bad.

And he's got nine points, week one fantasy, and he put up 11 points today. He had a decent day receiving, maybe that'll give him a floor. But I am reticent to ever rank Najee Harris in like the top 15 at running back any given week moving forward. Your take purge about how he's just slowly, quickly turning into David Montgomery. That is the age well, because Dave Montgomery looked great tonight. I'm just going to say. But like the idea of David Montgomery. for the wrong reason.

David Montgomery looks better. When we rank a player, like you just put him like, here's X, it's like, it's not just a ranking, right? Like this is a very boring

conversation, but it's like a range of outcomes. You're like, well, he could do this and he could do that. And then there's a whole bunch of likelihood in the middle. This is kind of the worst case scenario

for Naji's range of outcomes. Like outside of him just actively getting hurt, him kind of hassle. Like him being hurt enough that they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we got to play him less mixed with,

yep, the offensive line is in fact worse. And yeah, Mitchal Chubisky is the worst start in the NFL by a lot. And I wish I had updated the stat. Last week, I think the most representative stat about the Steelers is that Trubisky in week one, the Steelers had the fewest yards to their wide receivers of any wide receiving

group in the NFL, even though they played five quarters, which is concerning. And I didn't update that for this week, but like I assume they're still last because, I mean, they had like 95 yards for a receiving group total. The Steelers have scored two touchdowns this year. like they can't move the ball. They're the new giants. They are. They can't like they,

here's the thing. We had this whole argument before the season about whether Kenny Pickett would play. And like I was very much like I don't think you will. At this point, they're between a rock and a hard place. It's like the only reason you don't bring Kenny Pickett in soon is because you're worried that the team is so bad.

They'll stunt him. But like the Steelers are not the Steelers like we always talk about Mike Tom's never at a losing season. If the Steelers stick with Chubisky, they're going to have a losing season. Like they literally. escaped by the skin of their teeth because they had five turnovers.

Because T.J. Watt and Minka Fitzpatrick went out of their body, but T.J. Watts hurt. They had a block an extra point. Extra points don't fucking get blocked. And they had five turnovers. And they still don't, they really should have lost the game anyway. The Steelers, I don't actually think the Steelers will beat anybody until they bench Trubisky again.

So, like, honestly, do you think that Mason, even like Mason Rudolph could be doing better at that? this point? No, no. I don't. I think that Matt Canada is the problem. I'm doing the NFL show on Friday's the Stephen Rues and Ben's luck. I do think that this offense, if I'll say anything nice about Rathesberger, maybe it's like I get why I didn't want to do any of this shit. Because it's like, what the hell? But no, the Steelers, it's, Nagey is just like the main, you know, Deonti Johnson just looks incredible, but like. I know. Yeah, he looks really good. It's, it's really concerning for everybody in Pittsburgh. And then Chase Edmonds, too.

Edmonds for Miami. I mean, that's the other panic button. I mean, we all thought he was going to be kind of the Elijah Mitchell role for the Niners. And let's just Elijah Mitchell, quote unquote, pass catching back. When you're down four touchdowns, that's where Chase Edmonds in theory should be coming into play. And he had one catch today. And Rahim Oster had three. And Rehomastert more than doubled his carries. Rahim Moster played more snaps. Last week, there was a lot of like promising underlying numbers with Edmonds in terms of like snap rate, routes, you know, short down and distance, long down in distance, all that type of stuff. It looked promising. And then today they came out, they were getting killed the entire game, and he was not existent. He had one, like,

25-yard scamper at the end of the game that kind of saved his stat line. Not that it's that great. It's still pretty ugly, to be honest. But, like, Chase Edmonds is also now borderline, unstartable in fantasy football. I feel like he'll, I'm sure he's going to, like, tether ball back around because as soon as we buy on a Rahim Moser, the reality is Rahim Moster might just have more juice than him. But the moment Rahim Moster gets hurt, we're going to come back around to be like Chase Edmonds. But until then, I mean, it's very difficult to, to trust the theoretical pass catching back that doesn't catch passes when you're down three.

It's going to be a crapshoot every week. You have no idea when he's going to have a good game or he's not. Yeah. Most of it is like the starter now. I mean, he had 11 rushes for 51 yards. And he had more targets and catches. They had the same amount of targets, but most of it had three catches.

Super tough. All right. Next award here. Yeah. So this one's called the Dead Dove. I don't know what I was expecting award. Arrested Development every time. Yeah.

So Jason Bateman's character in arrest development, there's a tiny little scene. They do these little vignettes at the end of the episode. And I forget the context, but he opens the freezer and there's a brown paper bag labeled Dead Dove Dove Do Not Eat. The context is Job is a magician. Right. Oh, yes. And he uses them for his dove tricks.

That's right. Do not eat. Underlined. It says Dead Dove Do Not Eat in like bold black letters. And Jason Bainton pulls it out, opens it up, just looks in it, and goes, I don't know what I was expecting. And it's a fucking dead dumb in there. That was me when I saw reports this morning that James Winston has four fractures in his back,

but he's going to play. I just immediately bet the bucks spread. I was going to keep this to myself. I actually did a spit-taic. I was drinking water. I spit out my water over my living room because Jay Glazer. Spit-Tegers on Fox. And he just says, yeah, so James Winston, so he's got four fractures in his back.

He's going to play today. No further risk. And I was like, what? Like, I could, I. No further risk? How was that possible? It's not possible. They scored 10 points and he had three interception

and I was like, well, I don't know what I was expecting. If I have four fractures in my back, I'm taking workers' comp. I'm not coming back to this podcast. Never mind going up against like Tampa Bay's defense. Yeah, I couldn't have invested money in the buck spread any faster after reading that. Well, also wait, that was a joke. This is the same. It's the joke.

He buys, what happens, he buys the dove at the store. He, like, puts it at his magician. Doesn't he squish it? Well, no, and then he goes out the door, but it's a, it's a, uh, a pull, not a push. So he like, crushes the dope against the door immediately. And he turns out. He's like, what's your return policy? The best joke is when he, I always love when he, like, tries to pull off a trick in front of people.

And he tries to, like, make fire. But instead just lighter fluid flies out of his wrist. And then he goes, where did the lighter fluid come from? No, my favorite band that whole show, I know that we're getting on a tangent here, was like when he constantly shoots pennies at like the board members at their company and they all like frenetically like tried grab the pennies no no but that is like he tries to like

Job dramatically through the letter into the ocean and then he's blowing back and he can't get the letter into the water because the wind Job the best wait while we're on the Saints bucks the other thing I can't believe we haven't mentioned this yet Mike Evans and Marshaunler got in a fight

Yeah, that's also the dead dove. Of course they did. I don't know. What Isaac was like? Dude, that thing. Also, I love that. You know what's nice? I feel like football used to be more like this.

And then, you know, soft beta millennials. Like Craig and I started playing fantasy football. But, but like, now this is, it's just, these guys fucking hate each other. They really do. And it's kind of nice that there's a little bit of this left. And honestly, I haven't always loved Mike Evans over the year. Like, Marshall and Adam are,

you like grabbing Brady by the jersey it looked like. They were kind of like in each other's grill bit. Talking shit to him. Yeah. Talk about having your guys back. Mike Evans saw sprinted over and just rocked Lattimore to the ground and then they just got in a fight. And the ref was like, what are you doing? And then later when it broke up,

Evans was like, that's Tom Brady. What do you want me to do? And I was like, I love that. Yeah, I love that. Like, he's done this so many times. He knows the consequences. He just doesn't care. Look, Lattimore's job is to take Mike Evans out of the game. I guess he did that. The next award here is we have the Market Correction Award. This is a rewatchable's category.

It's a rewatchable's category. It's a rewatchable topic that they sometimes bring up when a young actor comes and kind of steals the role of another actor and kind of steals their career. This is happening currently on the Jets with the rookie Garrett Wilson and the second year receiver, Elijah Moore. Elijah Moore was the guy last year. He had a great second half of the season.

he had very high expectations coming into this year from most fantasy analysts. Like all of his underlying numbers, he was like a very fantasy expert friendly player. And then Garrett Wilson steps in and has just been flat out better. Garrett Wilson had 26 points today, fantasy points, had 100 yards, two touchdowns. Elijah Moore had 41 yards. Elijah Moore is fifth on the Jets and targets and Garrett Wilson's first. I mean, like that's the whole, that's all it is right there. I have to do a little tut-toot here, tut-toot for Owen Horn.

We did the NFL draft show, and Danny Kelly was, I think, the biggest disagreement we had in the entire NFL draft show was that Danny Kelly insisted that Garrett Wilson was the best receiving prospect in this year's draft class. D.K, I have to give you your props. I know it's two games. Two-game victory lap. It's over. You did it. We won. We just stop watching.

But I have to say, Garrett Wilson, whatever all the superlatives, adjectives people have said about Kadiris Tony, take that and then imagine if the guy could play a full game. It's a great call. Dude, I was telling you, I think I even said that. Like, he has the Cadarius Tony's suddenness. Yeah. But he's, like, got way better body control and everything. It's like he brought shoes to work. You know?

Yeah, that too. It's like he's not running his socks. No, Garrett Wilson looks incredible. Like, I love, I love Garrett Wilson. I think he, like, he was my number one rated receiver coming in. Like, I think he's really talented. I honestly didn't see it happening this fast because he was kind of buried in the preseason behind a bunch of different guys.

And of course, this is like, the old Justin Jefferson story. Like, Justin Jefferson started behind B.C. Johnson, like first two games and then still had a historic rookie season. I don't know if that's going to happen here. But like, again,

it just felt like he was buried and he wasn't really making any headway getting into the starting lineup. And all of a sudden, he has like a 22% target share on the season already. Obviously, a lot of that had to do with today, you know, where he had, you know, so many targets this week.

But how many did he end up having? It was like 15 or 15 or something. Yeah. Today he had 14 targets. 14 targets. That's fine. Obviously, that's like, you know, this is a small sample still, but he looks really good. Like, he passes the eye test for sure.

No, the passes the eye test is ridiculous. No, he, it's like a 98 on the eye test. Like, there's this mix of like speed, acceleration, and then just agility. And there needs to, we need a stat. And like, we need pro football focus. We need true media. We need a stat of like when a receiver gets put in a situation with like a two on one with two defenders and him open field.

Yeah, yeah. And neither of them, neither of them touch him. Just the Houdini metric. He had like three of those where I'm like, did anyone touch him on this play? And like, Lamar had that when he came into the league. Tyree Kill had that coming to league. And like, we saw that from Cadarious Tony in the seven quarters of his career where he's been healthy.

But like Garrett Wilson, I just shot props to you, DK. Like I am, you were right. When you know, you know. Like the second I saw, I felt the same way with Cadarious Tony. Like the first time I saw him catch like a 20-yard pass and make a guy miss, I was like, oh, he's going to be good. So we just don't need to watch any of these players again. So send him right to the Hall of Fame.

We did it. We'll send you as well. All the rookies did really well. All the rookie receivers are kind of doing, like Drake London was really good for the Falcons today. Yeah. So yeah, I was going to give a shout out to the kids. The kids are all right award. Rookies that did a lot of good stuff today.

So number one, Drake London, as you said, 12 targets, eight catches, 81 yards, a touchdown, plus a two-point conversion. You had 20 points and a half pbr. John Dotson again with another nice touchdown this week. I think, and I'd have to go back and watch the tape, but it looked like a very similar play to have. He had a touchdown in week one, like basically where he kind of, you know,

went across the formation near the goal line and Wentz just kind of lobbed it to him over the middle and he just went up and got it. Like he's really good. He's baby DeAndre Hopkins. I will sure, yeah. He's got great hands. I guess maybe is that what you mean? Like he could just pluck the ball.

I don't, I'm not trying to say he's going to beat DeAndre Hopkins. I'm saying that like, like the, mini-me version of the way, well, not really mini-me because they're very similar size, but like DeAndre, the way DeAndre Hopkins, like that Hail Mary he had, you know what I mean? Goes up and plucks it. Yeah, and he caught it from Kyler.

Like, Johan Dobson's that kind of player. Yeah, and then Chris Olave, 13 targets. He had five catches for 80 yards. I think he had something like 380 air yards, something absolutely ludicrous, which is great because this is what we were talking about before the season, like James Winston,

loves to hook it down the field. Chris Olave, loves to get deep, really good speed. That's a pretty remarkable number. Air yards is the distance the ball travels to get to the receiver on every single target. I think it was 365 yards. The three and a half football field.

The ball traveled. Ian Hardin said Pro Football Focus tweeted that out, and I thought that was a joke. I thought he was kidding. I thought you were joking. Yeah, I had to confirm it with like four other sources just to make sure he wasn't like messing with us. I've never heard of anything even close to that.

He showed his potential. obviously he didn't turn it into complete production here, but I think he's trending in the right direction. He also, but again, Sates got crushed and lost. Like, I feel like we keep doing this. Like, he was immensely disappointing if he were a state's fan watching this game. Sure, sure, sure.

Moving on, Damien Pierce, okay, he's back to being the starter after week one. Like, dude, this is, he looked really good too. 15 rushes, 69 yards. Didn't Damien Pierce get 17 of the first 18 snaps at running back this week after Ritzbergh got literally every single one in overtime, one week ago.

Look, what was Lovie Smith doing in week one? What's the point? There's literally nothing coaches like more than outsmarting themselves. Like, that is the prerequisite

for being a coach is, I need to figure out one way in which I can outsmart myself today. And that was like, after everything we've seen from Pierce during the preseason in practice and training camp, he decides to just like say,

oh shit, I'm going to play Rex Burkhead the entire fucking time. Like, what the hell happened there? And then they went back to it. No, I've come to the opposite conclusion. It's actually the coaches is the same as fantasy football.

It's just like, I don't want to look stupid. It's the same reason. They're cowards. It's the same way where like we maybe are a little hesitant to draft a rookie because I'm like, you know, Drake London. His player picture isn't even up on the website yet. I'm going to put him in a week one.

But like, Lovie Smith is watching Damien Pierce every single day in practice. We're not. That's the difference. Yeah, but if Lovie Smith looks stupid, people will actually notice. People, do we get a lot of listeners? People notice when we're stupid.

Yeah, that's true. And then our boy Daniel Bellinger has to... People definitely notice when we look stupid. Craig. Daniel Beliger, San Diego State. Oh my God. Wait. Did we tell the story in the podcast?

No, go ahead. I felt bad about this. I mean, I don't care. I was like, Jesus, this guy really cares about round 28 of the auction draft. We did a dynasty draft. A month ago. And I just really wanted to tight end. And again, you know, I was like,

Daniel Bellinger had basically won the starting job for the Giants. And I was like, I want the giant's dead end, man. I just want him. And then Craig takes him like, because he went to San Diego State. Swooped in. And Craig takes him one pick before. And I think I saw this at like three in the morning. I couldn't sleep.

And I just text Craig, fuck you. I hope you rot in hell. I was like, no. I said Craig, I sent a text to Craig as I wanted Belanger 2. And I go, damn it, Craig. And then Hyfitz chimes in. I'm going to kill you. You mother sucks in hell.

I'm like, whoa. Jesus, man. Too far. Are you good? Are you like belligerently drunk right now? what's going on? I actually remember thinking, I don't think I've ever, I don't remember the last time I've spoken like that when I was like sober.

Golded me. I was like, the voice is like, you know, like when they do the voice of like the devil in movies and it's like really like multi-layered? Yeah. That was like Hyphids text. Like the exorcism of Danny Hyphids. All right. Well, I'm talking about looking like an asshole.

I have another one. We have a new category this week. I'm very proud of this. It's called the mansplain of the week. Yes. I, so the Bengals Cowboys games comes on today. And I'm watching with my girlfriend in the first play, like literally the first player, the second play.

Tony Romo just starts waxing poetic. He's like, you know, Jim? I really think everyone's counting out to Cowboys, but I really think the Cowboys have a real shot to win this game. It just starts talking about all the reasons. And I turn to my girlfriend, I'm like, well, hon. Hey, babe. Get over here.

Hey, babe. Yeah, you know that maybe the guy talking of the woman's here at the concert? And he's like, you know, Tony Romo played for the Cowboys for a very long time. And, you know, he might not even believe what he's saying right now. But, you know, he's got to, you know, he's got to be on the Cowboys side, right? Like, he can't side against Dallas. He's a got to. He's clearly biased, yes.

I didn't even listen to his reasons. I just tuned out. And then the Cowboys immediately went up 14 to 3 and they beat the Cincinnati. When mansplating goes wrong. Yeah. How much energy did we put into being worried about the Cowboys today? Yeah. I mean, I put a lot of worry into C.D. Lamb, and he was fine. He did pretty good job.

Yeah, if anything, it's the Bengals now that everybody has to worry about. I love how short-sighted we are with everything in the NFL. Like, every week, it's like, oh, God, the wheels are falling off. You know what we should do? We should really invent. Should we do the Costanza? Everyone's bad at this, right? No, like, we're terrible. Everyone's bad. No one can predict this. Should we just do the George Costanza thing? Should we just do the opposite of everything we mean? We should go through each game and decide all the players we think are going to have good games and then pick the other player on that. Well, that worked with Alan Robinson this week, baby. It did. We should do that.

All right. This is very important one. We've got, so every week here, we, honestly, it's my favorite award we do. And it's the, we're not mad. We're just disappointed award. We're inverting that. We're actually scrapping this week. It's the we're not disappointed.

We're just bad. And it's for Kyle Pitts. It's a shame it took 60 minutes to get here, but we're so mad. at you, Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts was the 25th highest scoring tight end today. Oh, God. Can I ask you guys? So Kyle Pitts had two

catches for 19 yards last week, and I kept trying to find his box score. Like, what was his final line this week? And I kept following up, and he did it again. He just had a nethered two catches for 19 yards. It's like to be a while to realize that happened again. He's had 2.9 points in each

of the two games this season. So last time, last week, we played the game. two tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts and one who didn't. And so we're going to play that game again. But last time I tricked you guys and I actually had three tight ends who all just scored more than Kyle Pitts.

This is for real this time. There is one guy who didn't and the other two did. So I'm going to read you three tight ends who played this week. Two of them outscored Kyle Pitts one did not. Here are the names.

Eric Saabert. God damn it. Tanner Hudson. And Brock Wright. He's one of the three widest names I've ever heard my wife. I got this. Eric Sobertson. Sounds like he stars in full house. Eric Soberts on the Broncos.

Tanner Hudson is on the Giants and I know that because I discovered he existed today when he caught a pass. And I was like, who the fuck is Tanner Hudson? I don't even know he existed. Who was the other guy? Brock Wright. Brock Wright. I think you're screwing this again. I think they all beat him again.

I don't think Brock Wright is made up name. They all outscored him again. You motherfucker. Eric Stobbert, Tanner Hudson, and Brock Wright outscored the greatest tight-end prospect in NFL history. At some point, so, wait, also, what, Falcons said coach Arthur Smith. What did he say after the game? People asked him, hey, why does Kyle Pitts have four catches the season? And what did he say?

He said, this isn't fantasy football. We're trying to win football games here. Yeah, yeah. That was the gist of it. I think it was taken a little bit out of context, unfortunately, because I was clapping back at it too. I'm like, hey, motherfucker, you drafted him fourth overall. But, like, I think

the full context of the thing was like, look, man, that's not like our main priority here. We're like trying to, like, win. Like, at the end of the day, though, he really doesn't need to- Craig's dad would agree with that. He really does need to get Kyle Pitts more involved. Like, you're losing games, dude. Like, he's

like one of the best players on your team. Get him more involved. Maybe force feed him the ball a little bit. Like, four targets in two games, or four catches in two games, is objectively not good enough. Can I be a little contrarian? Is it at all meaningful that? Of course you can.

You always are. I'm serious question. Okay, fair. Yes. I deserve that. But I'm just saying, is it at all meaningful that the Falcons were widely expected to be really in contention for the number one pick?

And they really almost beat the Rams today? Like, should that matter? No. Well, on the bright side, like, Drake London looks awesome. So I guess there's like, there is a silver lining here. But, man, can we just maybe get him more involved? Like, it logically. speaking like it just makes sense for them to like get him more targets like give him the football he's good

he had three targets it's ridiculous here's why i wanted to pose the contrarian side for a moment because i i i have i i love cow pitts i have cowpitz and i i i know we're not even disappointed him we're just mad i'm mad at i actually want to elevate this i want to discuss whether we should burn cow pitts and put him in the burn book i would have said yes are we going to do burn book now Yeah, I really think we should discuss If Carl Pitts is ridiculous This was a This is crazy

I would have said yes But then I watched Sunday night football And the Chicago Bears passing game Is a national disgrace So much for Colquette Oh my God Colquette has zero catches And Darnell Mooney has two catches

For four yards In two games I've started them both times this year crazy is as I know I plugged in Colcompet. I definitely know people are listening who like have Colquimette. I hope drop him, cut his ass. What's crazy is that Darnell Mooney's been worse than Colquette has relative to where you drafted them.

The Bears threw it. They had 70 yards passing. Justin Fields was seven for 11 for 70 yards and a pick. This is Tim Tebow numbers, folks. This is a disaster. I think we have to burn the pass catchers on the fucking bears. I think that you're right. And we give Kyle Pitts another.

have to give him another week. But, like, Kyle Pitts, at some point, this, we're going to do buy, we're going to buy low, sell highs this week. Yes. And it's, Cal Pitts is a real conversation of like, what would you just accept for Cowl Pitts?

Wait, you want to sell him? Well, he's not a, he's not a sell high. It's, you don't want to sell him. He's a buy low. I mean, he's a, he's a, he's a,

buy low is what High Fitz is saying. You have to, well, you have to convince me, I think it, the ballsy thing to do would be, like, try and acquire him. You're not going to get, much for him. He's a by low, essentially. But I still believe that his value

is still too inflated. The sunk cost fallacy is still there for people who drafted him that they're not going to want to get rid of him. He needs like two more bad weeks in a row, I think. But we want to give it to Mooney and Commet? The Bears receiving core, who are we giving it to? What about Fields? No, well, because I don't want to give it to Montgomery. We can't just

give it to the Bears. Yeah. I agree. Do you want to give it to Fields? Do you want to Goh, Kemet, Darno Mooney? I think Craig is correct. How many yards does Darno Mooney have this season? he had negative four today so less so he's got less than he did last week and he had eight last week

so he has four yards I'm so done are you fucking kidding me are you sure yes I'm so sure I've started him twice I was like it was raining last week oh my god dude

I'm so mad at myself for softening my stance because I think I was making fun of you hyphitz for hyping up Cole Kovet at one point this summer and then I kind of softened my stance. I was like, okay, I can get it. I'm, like, kind of into it now,

and I started like Cole Commit. You tacked me into it, and I'm pissed at myself. I did. I apologize to everybody. Well, the irony is one of the things of Colcomet. Basically, Colquette was the most targeted tight end to ever not score. Yeah, ever. And now he just, they answered that by just not targeting him at all.

That's seven completions. It's legit Tim Tebow shit. That's crazy. I mean, seven completions. Well, this is what we were worried about last year when we were like, someone's going to catch passes on the Texans and that Brinacques did well. This is what we thought it would be like. Yeah.

But no. Alas. Yeah. It's a disgrace. Bears, Darnal Mooney. Wait, hold on,

hold on. Are we burning them? This sounds like not their fault. But it doesn't matter. Like, this is fantasy football. They have burned me, you know?

Yeah, fine. Yeah, you're right. Darno Mooney and Colcombeck, you're burned. It matters what's happening on your teeth. Then we're just like burning.

only quarterbacks on like offensive play callers, but like we can't do that. Yeah, you're right. All right. They're burned. Okay, before we wrap up here, we actually added a couple shorter categories to the, to the episode because we just thought it was funny. Too many things happen in a day that we need to address. Yes. A few notable things that we were going to acknowledge, but not elaborate on. Nick Chubb had three touchdowns and is currently the number one running back and half PPR scoring. Cooper Cup basically did nothing and then he did everything and then he basically almost lost the rims the game. Devante Adams had two catches, but one was for a touchdown, so it's fine? Christian McCaffrey has just been fine for two weeks.

Sequin Barclay was like fine today, but it was scarier than that. Okay, Craig, do you want to take us through the Jessica Walter Memorial Lucille Bluth stat lines that we don't understand and we'll not respond to? Yes, the lines from the day that we don't understand it won't respond to. Matt Collins was the leading wide receiver for the Raiders today. Richie James was the leading wide receiver for the Giants today. Ashton Doolin was the leading wide receiver for the Colts today. Noah Brown has led the Cowboys in Receiving Yards this week and last week.

And Greg Dorch leads the Cardinals and catches after two weeks. The Cardinals had a hashtag during the preseason that was just, you got dorked. We dorked everyone first. What team was Greg Dorch even on, D.K., when you recommended him last year? Oh, God. I think it was the Jets. So I can't even remember. It was like two years ago.

I keep getting people adding me about it. I can't, I don't actually remember like the exact context of it, but I was at one point in time in my life, I was like, Greg Dorch, good sleeper. It was in the preseason and I think it inspired Craig and I to like stop letting you talk about random guys. And then he's been on like three or four teams since. So you're probably right to do so. Now he's fucking good.

Like he is what Rondo Moore was supposed to be. This guy is only 24 years old. He's been on five teams. Dorched. You got dorched. He's back. Never wrong. Only early, guys. That's right. Is he just going to be better than Rondale Moore? I mean, Rondell Moore's handstring is going to be back in October. Greg Dortz. That's just the Rondale, like Greg Dorts replacing Rondale Moore just gives me extremely mixed emotions because for many reasons. Full circle. It's the true detective with like the can crushing. It's flat circle. Okay. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig.

you, Greg Dorch. I don't know what we would do that. Dorched. Torched. Thank you, Amonan St. Brown. Thank you, Christian Kirk. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you, Chris Krasse. I also would like to thank Elton John. I saw Elton John this weekend in Pittsburgh. Unreal. The guy's done, it was his 90th and final concert in the state of Pennsylvania. Wow. It's just a legend. Did he do any of the, like the modern remixes? Did he do the Duleepa remix? Did he do the Dulepa remix did he did Britney Spears? We did an encore and he did the cold heart with Dua Lipa and everyone

in the audience except me was like under I was the only person there me and my girlfriend under like 50 and we were like yeah and everyone else was like what's this weird rocket man he didn't bring out like anybody right nobody came out do a little no no no but we went to dinner before and I'm at dinner with like her family and like family in Pittsburgh and I'm just like, why do I know every voice at the table behind me? And I turn around and it's just all the CBS guys who were announcing the game. It was Charles Davis. Oh, shit.

It was Ian Eagle. Who's Evan Washburn? I'm like, oh, my God. And when I went to Denver, I borrowed sunscreen from Evan Washburn. He stole it from someone and I just borrowed it. And I was already burned. So anyway, so I went and talked to them. And Charles Davis is like the nicest human being alive.

Oh, wow. He was incredibly nice. That's nice to hear. Yeah. Here we are. Shout out and John. Full circle. It all comes back.

He started with Benny and the Jets and it was like, duh, duh, and I was like, shit, I got to get back to my seats. Beginning. Well,

I'm buying the drinks for everybody, like a nice dude. And then I'm like, I thought you were going to be like, you started it out. And then the beat dropped and we were all into Mosh pit. He's like,

oh, God damn, I can get back to my seat. Hyvitz is shuffling back with his like five beers spilling everywhere. I'm just like black cherry white claw

I got to get back to the list. All right. Goodbye, everyone.