The Ringer NFL Show - Week 3 Recap: Philly’s Block, Cleveland Shock, Caleb Crushes Cowboys, Undefeated Colts, and Sit Down Jason Garrett

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 3 action by going through categories such as Winners and Losers, the Oppenheimer Award, Intrusive Thoughts, and so much more. (0:00) Intro (1:45) ‘Sunday Night Football’: Chiefs-Giants (11:47) Winners and Losers (42:03) The Oppenheimer Award (49:44) The Arthur Smith/Shawn Hochuli Award (55:15) It’s So Over. We’re So Back. (01:03:04) The Debutante Ball Award (01:09:43) Fart or Shart (01:18:04) Intrusive Thoughts (01:25:40) Play of the Day (01:30:36) The WORST Play of the Day (01:42:19) The Lucille Bluth Award (01:42:32) Two TEs and a Lie (01:43:57) Fantasy Burn Book Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  Email us! [e-mail] The all-new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid. This episode is brought to you by American Eagle. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

your fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hypertz. And I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. And we are going through all the games after Sunday of week three. We're also going to go through that God-forsaken Sunday football game between the Giants and Chiefs that just every single time the Giants play football, especially in prime time. My love for this game just bleeds out of me. I just lose a little bit of joy for life every single time I see the Giants play. Reminder, emails for trivia for waivers for a Monday episode, emails for fantasy court cases for the Wednesday episode. And later this week, we'll be in Dublin, Ireland, because we're going to the Vikings Steelers game because we were like, man, Carson Wentz, Aaron Rogers

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details. Okay. We're going to go through all the games in week three, starting with Sunday day football. What an abomination. I literally never want to see Russell Wilson play football again. We're back to square one. This was the most unpredictable take that like, of course, week three,

absolutely. Like, we knew this was coming after the 450 yard game against the Cowboys. We knew it. This is Russ in a nutshell. This is the whole Russ experience in three weeks. You got it. I'm excited because you know what? We got it out of the way early. because I have to tell you, like, again, last week, I get a lot of stuff wrong, but I will be like, you know what?

That last week was the last good game Russell Wilson will ever have. And I don't want to be dramatic. I know sometimes I'm a little hyperbolic. I think what Russell Wilson did at the end of this Giants' Chiefs game is among the worst four-play sequences I've ever seen from an NFL quarterback. Can you talking about the end zone? Yeah, in the end zone. And like, Russ had such an up and down game. I'm maybe up.

I'm like two ups and like 25 downs. But they're down like they're down 15 points. They're at the goal line. Three and a half minutes. It is doable. The Giants time in the game was super doable. It's like you get a touchdown. You get a stop.

You get the ball back. It was not impossible. And they get down there. Russell Wilson throws the ball and went first down into the tunnel. Andy read correctly lobbies for a intentional grounding. It was 100% intentional grounding. Scrambles up the middle and second down undoing the time save from the first down. Yeah.

throws the ball away on third down, throws the ball away on fourth down. The fourth down play was reminiscent of Derek Carr. I'm wondering if he'll retire after that. He should. At least, like, even Will Levis can say he was trying something.

Russell Wilson literally gave up on three of the four plays. It wasn't even close. It wasn't near anyone. It hit the crossbar of the freaking field. He was doing drills. They were down by a lot. He was like, I'm going to see if I can hit the crossbar.

What is the point of, Russell Wilson doing all his little drills on air for the Sunday Day football squad. If he does not have the situational awareness to not throw the ball away on first, third, and fourth down. What is the point of having a veteran quarterback? He's never been situationally aware ever, but that was the worst I've ever seen. The point of having Russell Wilson is just so Jackson Dart can sit on the bench and learn the playbook and learn the NFL. That's the only reason why Russ is there. There's no other point.

I'm so glad Darts learned to hand off on the five read options we bring him. each game. Whatever. The only light in my life is Cam Scadaboo. Even Blake Neighbors looks like he already wants out of this goddamn team. Scadaboo is the only good thing in my life. He's better than Ashton Gentie. And that's the spot the lie. Yeah. It does look great. I can't get over the number 44 on him. It's perfect for him. He nailed it. Honestly, he did. If he was 21, that wouldn't make sense. I wish he was just 44. The only better number would be zero or 99. Scataboo with less than 10 minutes left in the game had more yards than the rest of the giants combined.

Oh, yeah, there was a graphic. It was like Scataboo 120 scrimmage yards, the rest of the team, 100 or something. Yeah. It's, it's, it almost feels like with the Giants. It's funny, I'm with my in-laws right now, and one of the two brothers, one of Liz's two brothers is a Giants fan. And he was just watching the game. What?

This has never come up. Yeah. How is this not come up? I don't know. He's a Giants fan. And he was like, he was just watching the game. You're, you know, we'll do this later. But this has been six years.

This has never come up. But, okay, whatever. And he was like, God, he was like, every team can get better in the draft except mine. He's like, that's just how it is. Every team can rebuild in the draft except mine. I will say the Giants have, like Abdul Carter is clearly good. Scada Boo is clearly good. Neighbors is clearly good.

I can't wait to fire all these people. And then we have those people. I hope Dart doesn't suck. But it's little things with Daibald that drive me nuts. I don't know what happened with Graham Godot tonight, the kicker. But this is two Septembers in a row, the Giants kicker, Graham Ganoe, got hurt before the game and the Giants didn't have another kicker in the practice squad to actually. This happened last year in Washington when they couldn't kick.

Like, how is this happen? Also, why can't punters make a 25-yard field goal? I get why a- whole thing again, yeah. Why can't punters make a field goal? I understand why you can't make a 50-yard field goal. I watch these kids on college game day when Pat McAfee throws 50 grand. These kids practice for a week.

They make a 30-yard field goal. These punters can't make a 25-yard field goal. They should pay them 50 grand. Isn't that more than they make? They should offer that to them. Maybe they'll make it. They should have had Cam Scataboo do it. I feel he could have done it.

I think there was a, the movie, I think it came out this weekend called him, which is like a sports horror film that Jordan Peel produced. And I'm pretty sure the premise of this movie, we're giving it free advertising. I'm pretty sure the premise of this movie is like, you sell your soul to the devil to be good at a sport. It almost feels like the Giants winning two Super Bowls against the Patriots with Eli Manning. The deal was, hey, we'll give you these two. We'll tarnish Tom Brady's legacy. Eli Manning will go down in history as one of the most unbelievable. quarterback runs, beating Tom Brady twice. But for that, you will then have the most miserable 15 years in the history of football afterwards.

15 or 50? High fits would take that in a heart. I agree. I just wish I had been smart enough to sell high and like 18 years old. I'm going to stop caring about the Giants. I wish I had just been able to stop. So the Giants lost this game 22 to 9. Even when the Giants scored touchdown, they make it look like they didn't. But I will say, my homes of this game was interesting. The Chiefs won. Honestly, I won't be like saved their season. But now they're one and two going to play the Ravens instead of 0 and 3 going to play the Ravens next week. And Mahomes, the Chiefs looked bad.

And yet Mahomes made Tyquan Thornton look awesome, had a crazy sequence. He threw two balls to Tyquan Thornton in the same spot on the goal line on like almost back-to-back plays. He had a 60-yard bomb drawing a pass interference. But honestly, play of the season. So it just in term, not play the season, maybe not even to play the day.

But a play that if the Chiefs squeak into the playoffs by one game, we'll remember, is Mahomes stealing the fumble? Oh my God. From Bobby O'Curiken. That was crazy. So for context, if you missed it, this was the second time in the game that Wilhomes had thrown it backwards past the-

What the hell was he doing? Twice? He did it twice? If you look at the replay of the second one, I believe, Pacheco legitimately is facing towards the other team's end zone. Like, he's facing the wrong direction.

He had to turn like 220 degrees. To see Mahomes. He got hit. He can't turn left or something. He was facing the completely wrong direction. Bottom line is, Mahomes skipped it to him. It's obviously a fumble because it's a backwards pass. Pacheco does the like Keystone Cops thing trying to figure out where it went.

He's turning around and circles. He's so made of Pacheco. He was fine. He didn't do anything wrong. Dude, Pacheco was pissing me off in this game. Anyway, it gets picked up by the Giants almost or like very briefly picked up. And then Mahomes screams in out of the corner of the screen and just takes the ball away from the Giants. Did the thing that when you're a kid kind of playing football in air in your hands.

head in like the hallway or whatever that you think you would do if you were in a football game. I mean, seriously. I would just take the ball from him right when he picked it up. I mean this seriously. I think that's the best play I've seen Mahomes making like two years. You're probably right. That was some Andrew Luck shit. It was like Andrew Luck would have done that.

Like fumble by accident and then just hit the middle line back on the other team. So already takes the guy. I mean, you know how hard it is to strip, like to tackle somebody and strip the ball and retain it and go to the ground? Like he did all of that in one motion on a defensive end running towards the end. zone to save the game. I think it, no, I think it was the lineback. But regardless, it's the starting middle linebacker for the Giants. The same thing.

But like, I just, again, can't stress enough. I know the Giants lost by 13, so it feels like not consequential. At the time, it was literally the difference between the game being 13 to 6 at a half time or the Chiefs having the lead 9 to 6. Like, Mahomes stopped the touchdown and took the ball back and then ended up the, it's whatever, man. The Giants suck. But like, it was pretty amazing. So I keep forgetting how locked in you are about the Giants. because the whole time we were watching,

I was watching this game. I'm like, God, this is so boring. It's the worst game ever. We can move in. Get the Chiefs off my fucking screen. We can move on. I'll just say two things. Everyone else was like,

stop putting Giants Cowboys Sunday to football. Don't you wish that last week had been on Sunday night of football instead of this schlep? Also, the Giants are the only team I've ever seen who put their left tackle and their kicker on a fucking snap count. It would, look,

I got, they pulled him at the end of the first half. They pull him at the end of the first half. And I'm like, if they had it, I wouldn't have. thought anything of it. If Collinsworth hadn't said they're going to do it. And so he's out there

and they're like, he must be in pain. He's smiling. He's laughing on the sideline. Immediately Russell gets hit from the... He's having a good sign. And then left tackle gives up and then Russell Wilson like immediately gets hit. And I'm just like, whatever. I have an intrusive thought. Before we move on, we don't need to spend a lot of time on this shit. Yeah, let's just go on.

Well, can I give you my quick intrusive thought? Sure. It just feels pretty easy to eliminate a number one wide receiver. Like, Malik neighbors was just not a part of this game. gone. Just wasn't in the game. He had two catches for 13 yards and they were like in the fourth quarter. And it was basically just like he's not in the game.

And then Chris Collinsworth was like, yeah, they put a guy below and on top. And so it's really hard to throw to him. They did it to A.J. Brown in that first Eagles game. I just, the Cowboys did who have a terrible defense and yet they just managed to eliminate A.J. Brown from the game. It just seems very easy. And I don't know why teams don't do that every single time when you're playing a good wide receiver. Well, this is right.

You have to have a good number two. Like the Giants don't have a good number two. Yeah. Again, the Giants gave Darius Slayton the Sequin-Barkley money. They gave Darius Slate in three years for $36 million and then he's barely done anything. If I'm playing the Texans, I feel like every defense could make it so Nico Collins has 20 catches this entire season. If you just do that to him every game. Well, he kind of does.

Neighbors has two catches for 13 yards. And if you had how I'm on your fantasy team, you'll be like, I didn't even know he had that two catches for 13 yards. Two catches, one dislocated elbow. Yeah. Honestly, genuinely, neighbors got more screen time for being injured in this game than having like the football. But to your, it's funny, though, what you're saying. saying. I think that you're able to do it to a team like the Giants when they can't run

or throw to other people. Well, they did it to AJ Brown, but yeah. Not the Giants but the Cowboys, you know. Yeah, the Eagles won that game, though. It was close. Let's get to the other winners of losers. Speaking of the Eagles, I actually, before we get to the Eagles, though, I actually just want to give, I think the big winner of the day, honestly, is special teams.

This was an all-time special teams day. Messy, a messy day. Never seen anything like it. Just to recap. So, especially if you didn't see all these games today, even if you did. Can't really keep track of it all. So the Packers line up for a game winning field goal. The Browns block it.

And then the Browns go and kick a 55-yarder walk-off win. The Browns beat the Packers. Browns be clear. The Packers 13 to 10 with a walk-off 45-yard field goal from the kicker who missed the four points of kicks in week one. And that's a great story. We can get to it later. The same time this is happening with the Browns Packers thing.

Literally at this simultaneously, the Rams lineup for a game-winning field goal. The Eagles block it, returner for a third. touchdown, walk off win. Jordan Davis locks it and recovers it and returns it the whole way. He was running fast too, man. Second straight drive. He ran 18 and a half miles an hour. Big guys can move.

He's a defensive tackle. Also, the Eagles blocked the final two Rams drives, both ended in a block field goal. Five minutes later, the Jets block a field goal and return it for a touchdown. And Will McDonald, he also blocked it, recovered it, and returned it all himself, which is like pretty rare actually. And it was fucking weird to see it happened twice in five minutes. Five minutes later, the Seahawks returned their first punt return touchdown in 10 years. And then they also block a punt.

They also blocked a punt. The Saints had not allowed a punt block since 2011. The Saints have got 220 straight punts without a punt block. Wow. Then Jalen lay in Washington at a 90-yard punt return for a touchdown. Debo Samuel almost returned the opening, Washington kick for a touchdown. When the Niners and Chargers in the later window were both lining up for game winners, as time expired.

I kind of just was weirded out when neither them were blocked. They both made the kick. But nine touchdowns today on defense or special teams. I can't remember a day where special teams was not only such a big theme for the day, but happening at the end. It was all at the same time. This is like my ignorance of special teams,

but our teams doing something different this year on field goal and punt kicks or like just formations or whatever? Because it feels like we've had way more this season than normal. And don't forget the leverage thing, too, where the Broncos calls things flipped last week. We did another call. I don't know. I just kind of think it feels like it's easier than ever. It feels like it's easier than ever to get through and block a kick.

I don't know why. I just think there's a bunch of like crazy athletes that are on teams. The Ravens almost blocked that game, the first week of the season or whatever when, was it the Bill's Ravens? The bills kicked a game winning field goal. Yeah. Kyle Hamilton should have had it. Yeah, Kyle Hamilton was standing in front of the kicker and just missed. I do think that.

There are probably just more NFL players that are capable of just jumping over other NFL players cleanly than we've probably ever had. Special teams is new golden age, I guess. I don't know. It's pretty insane. However, obviously the best of them all was the Eagles, which was crazy game. Backdoor cover, we lost our bed. Honestly, one of the worst backdoor covers of all time. We had the fucking Rams plus three and a half.

Just feeling great the entire game. I pushed you guys to make this bet. It was 26 to 7. I felt like a genius. Even at the end, I was like, I can't lose. Like, there's no way we lose this. Even if they block it, we're going to return it. There's only one way that you can move it.

And like, there's no chance they block and return it for a touchdown. This is like the, uh, Dr. Strange thing. There's one way in which we can lose this fucking bet. Yeah. Seven billion options. D.K., are the Eagles your winner of the day? They are indeed. A.J. Brown.

Jalen Hertz. It wasn't looking good going. into the half in this game. The Eagles were down big early on, and Jalen Hertz at halftime. He had like single digit yards passing. I can't remember off the top of my head, but it was like really,

really bad. They couldn't move the ball. The only thing they'd done was a push touchdown, which, of course, people are going to talk about because, again, on the replay, you showed that they were, the guards were false starting early.

They full started. It didn't call it. And they didn't call it. And they didn't call it. It was an emphasis this week. By the way, the Saints got called for that in the Seahawks game. So they were going to just call everybody.

but the Eagles apparently. It's rigged for sure. It felt like the Eagles thing happened and then the game ended and then the NFL told the referees hey, that should have been a false start so then they applied that to the next round of games.

What was incredible about that tush push was Lane Johnson, the right tackle for the Eagles who's like the best right tackle in the NFL and he got a stinger on that play and he left the game. And the Eagles next six drives without Lane Johnson,

the Eagles combined on their next six drives for negative 10 yards. Yeah, it was brutal. They literally could only move the ball backward. It was on, they immediately had literally four straight three and outs after Lay Johnson left. It felt, it was interesting because it just felt like, and AJ Brown was even talking about this after the game.

And he's like lobbying to kind of just play looser and kind of go more balls to the wall. The Eagles need to start every game like they're down 20. Right. That's kind of what he was saying after the game is like, I just think we should be more aggressive. They've stopped this bullshit, conservative, protect the football. And it felt like when the Eagles had their backs to the wall, which they did after the half, they just started pushing the ball down the field.

Jalen Hertz looked like a brand new man. He was throwing all over the field, hit Dallas got it for a touchdown down the middle. AJ Brown started going absolutely bonkers in the second. I mean, Craig, you like texted at some point in the fourth quarter. It was like, AJ Brown is just dominating these skinny ass corners. Emmanuel Forbes. He like threw him to the, Emmanuel Forbes weighs 20 pounds. less than me and I'm not exactly a heavyweight.

And so it was like he was playing against children. It was like Gavin Newsom playing against those kids in Asia. That's like playing against your little brother where you put your hand on his head. Yeah, he looked awesome. And Hertz connected on a deep ball with AJ Brown and it was the first deep ball AJ Brown has caught this season. And he almost dropped it

because it looks like his hands didn't know what to do because it was so unnatural to him. But he babbled it and ended up coming down with it. But yeah, like Jalen Hertz was forced to throw in this game. And they completed a lot of great stuff over the middle. Like they were working. The offense was moving. They actually can't really run the ball, which has been a quiet story. Their offensive line is not as dominant as well as national.

No, they're getting a lot more pressure this year. Sequin Barclay has not been able to find a lot of room. And so maybe they will have to like make a shift here to the passing game. But it's, it looks good. Hertz was really, really good in the second half. It felt like they got their confidence back. You know, Greg Olson, the announcer for this game. And Greg Olson is by a lot the best announcer in the NFL.

He's really not close. Yeah. He's all the knowledge of a player. I don't know, K. I don't know. came in. No, and he just said, basically addressing how a lot of people are unhappy with the Eagles play calling. He was like, it's not about the plays. Just get the ball to your best guys. And he said he just was exasperate, right as AJ Brown got like the two crazy physical third downs where he looked so big. And Greg Olson is like, look what happens. You throw it to AJ Brown. And yeah, I mean, Jailen Hertz's second half had 200 passing yards, three touchdowns in the second half. And honestly, the whole whole game shifted at half time, one, because Jailen Hertz was like, body switched. or something. I don't know what happened. But also,

Elaine Johnson, so they replaced him with Matt Pryor, and then they just benched Matt Pryor and brought in some guy named Fred Johnson at right tackle, and that like totally changed everything for the Eagles. The flip side is Rams, Kevin Dotson, what they already didn't have Steve Aval at the left guard, and then

Kevin Donson at the other, Kevin Dotson at the other guard spot, got re-injured during this game, and he left. The Rams couldn't move the ball after, I mean, the Eagles scored 26 on-answered points to end this game. And the Rams couldn't move the ball when Kevin Dotson left, And guess who was on the field goal block unit? Kevin Dotson. Guess who then, so Bo Limmer, who is a random NPC,

but honestly has really struggled for the Rams on blocking. Now he's the guy next to the long snapper, and that's the guy that Jordan Davis kind of just worked. And also, I think Jalen Carter also blocked the other field goal. But it's also just, I mean, it's funny that two random offensive line. No leverage for the Eagles. No leverage. I will say, do you think Howie Roseman is just like crank and hog to the fact

that he's these two Georgia defensive tackles he's drafted in the first round. No, what? You're telling me he's not just sitting there. I can't believe I got to draft these fucking Georgia defensive tackles. There were so clearly the best players in college football and I got them back to back and everyone else is an idiot and they're out of blocking field goals for us to win.

No, sure. You know, I got to say, it does feel like, no, yeah. I'm just like flabbergasted. He's just like cranking hog. Everyone's disgusted with me and then Howie Roseman's listening to the show? Like, how the fuck did he know? How did he know that he likes that he has Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis? Whompsomst Among Us hasn't cranked hog to the Eagles' draft picks?

You think you're saying Hallie Rosemary Bates, essentially? How could he not? He literally masturbates to the roster. The Eagles, just while I'm being all masochistic here, because I can't believe how bad the Giants aren't good the Eagles are. For the Eagles, it was their first 19-point second half comeback since the DeShon Jackson versus the Giants game, the medal ends. Jalen Hertz 17 and 0 in the last 17 games he started and finished

and this was the Rams third largest blown lead in the history of the Rams team I can't believe the Rams lost this game I know they were absolutely fucking dominating for you know obviously the first half but then they even came out in the second half and scored they went up 26 to 7 I believe yeah I got to say Stafford was not super sharp at the end of this game I don't know he was holding his back a little bit but I thought Stafford started a lot better than he finished Puka was great they were able to run the ball a little bit but I thought Stafford missed a lot of throws late in that game.

It doesn't it feel like the Eagles, though, this year or like the Chiefs last year where their offense looks okay, but they're just squeezing out these wins now and they're just this team that knows how to win these close games and it's just going to happen. They look, I think they might just go back to being dominant now because they figured something out in the second half there. And again, last year's Eagles didn't. No, they were just down 20. That's all it was.

They were just down 20. But I think it's going to look different. Last year's Eagles weren't really the team. we remember until October anyway. Like, I just think it takes him a little bit to get going. But I think that it was a reminder that, yeah, you're allowed to have Jalen Hertz throw the goddamn ball in this one. You know, there was a tush push in this game that I had an issue with.

Jalen Hertz fumbled a tush push. The Rams did what I want people to do now, which is not, when you're not at the goal line, let him get the first, come in at the sides and get the fucking ball. I think that's what people are going to do. He was still falling forward. They stripped the ball and the Rams got it and they did not call it. They called it a dead ball.

They blew the w. whistle, but it was an early whistle. It was such an early whistle. He, like, 100% fumble. He, yes. They let go for 10 seconds. And it's just let him get the first down every time. It's hard to like, he's riding a like a mudslide.

It's hard to like judge because the replays don't have audio. And if Jalen Hertz has a whistle in his ear, that he, I mean, you're just more likely to let the ball go. But like, yeah, it was pretty annoying. Like, like, and also they literally got a touchdown when the play before with the push, they should have a false start. But whatever. The Eagles obviously won this game.

The only other thing I want to say before we get out of here with the Eagles, I was really ready for Jalen Hertz to kind of like maybe suck in the second half. And like I thought it would be really interesting if he couldn't do this comeback. He did it. It was amazing. And I have to say, this motherfucker has ice in his veins. Just like when the railing came down, he did it move. Did you see the video of him watching the Jordan Davis?

I did. Can I say he needs to enjoy his life a little bit more. I agree. I'm on D.K. side. It's lame. I think he knows that he's on camera. He knows this is a thing. I think it's just kind of, I think it's a little way.

So for those who don't know, he had like zero reaction. Yeah. So none. It's like it wasn't happening. They had a camera trained on him, obviously, because they have like a million cameras going at it all times in these games. And the kick is blocked. They were about to lose the game. The kick is blocked.

And then they go to win. This is like a miraculous thing. And Jalen Hertz's expression doesn't change. All the Eagles around him are running and screaming and jumping and all the coaches are absolutely flipping shit. And Jalen hurts is just standing there, motionless and like absolutely nothing. I love it.

I actually think it's a negative. You know, like, a lot of people, a lot of people are, I just want him to like enjoy his life a little. I think it's cringy, to be honest. No, it's, it's, it's, it's weird.

He's him. He's him. He has sold his soul for whatever. I don't know what the hell he's got going on, but. I mean, you're right, though. He does have ice in his veins. But like, just have all fun. I don't know.

You only live once. Fun. Zero fun, sir. No, he ain't going to have any fun. as the Brady Patriots said in their death throes. Winning is fun. Yeah, but Brady's, I mean,

even Brady's ice cold days, he's like jumping around on the sidelines, high-fiving and, you know, motherfucking people and all that stuff. No, it's, it's, you know,

saying, yeah, motherfuckerucker. One of the coolest things is, right, right, right. That's what I mean, he's not, he's motherfucking people's mothers,

right? Yeah, I mean, you might have been. I don't know. There's another, well, I'm not going to go to that. Somebody's mother. next category Craig well I want to I want to it's a special category that I'm inventing for

Caleb Williams's win over the Cowboys today this is the category is called is this stripper into me or is this just her job award for the performance I can't tell was real or not oh my god and I I don't know today Caleb was awesome today he had like 240 yards three touchdowns at halftime. He finished with 300 yards, four touchdowns. He's the QB one on the day. Like, he was awesome. But it was kind of just wide open receivers.

Like, he hit him all, like, the Luther Burden throw was a rope. He like launched 60 yards right. He played great. The touchdown pass to DJ Morley in the game was pretty sick too. Really nice. I agree. But it was a lot of like the Ben Johnson, this is what you want, right? Like, it was a lot of like guys schemed open.

And also, he was playing the Cowboys, who we just watched Russell Wilson tonight against the Chiefs. That same player had 450 yards against the Cowboys. I don't think we know. I don't think we are grasping entirely how horrific the Cowboys defense is. It's the worst in the NFL. Craig,

I was actually going to read you, Russell's stat line from last week and pretend it was Caleb's. Yeah. I mean, they were awesome today. Like, the Bears had a 19-play touchdown drive. It was the longest of the NFL this year. It lasted 10 minutes. 10 minutes track. 10-minute drive.

Because Dallas, no Duran Bland, Trevon Diggs got hurt during the game. Kenny Clark got her during the game. There's no one on this team. They have no defensive ends, no quarterbacks. So I don't know if this stripper is into me, maybe more than any of the other guys. No, she's just great at her job.

It is her job, but she likes you. Yeah. Like she's into you. There's a real spark there, Craig. It's fart or sharp, but it's positive. No, that's good, though. Every single team, every week when they play, the Cowboys defense is a stripper,

and every single time your team plays them, you're like, my team's great. It doesn't matter this happened to all the other teams. By the way, this is the first game of Caleb's career in which he was not sacked. Wow. That's a great stat. It's also going to be the last. Also, how do you feel if you're Matt Eberfluse and you got fired last year for the Bears and then...

My God, yeah. Like, you know, everything, and then you try to stop him. And actually, I saw a lot of Bears fans saying this was the best Bears game Matt Eber Fluse ever coached. I feel like I've come into the show negative with the Eagles and I was pissed off at Jail and Fumbled the Tush push, but they didn't call it. And the false start with the Tush Push, that bothered me. And now I'm posing this negative Caleb Williams category, even though he played really well. He played great, though.

And Roma Dunesay looks awesome. Roma Dunesay looks like fixed. I mean, the Bears look Ben Johnson-y, like Caleb. Also, Caleb is looking more and more like a number one pick in terms of the throws are amazing. The Flee Flickr, which Deontjeanj Swift, worst trust I've ever seen out of flea flicker. The flea flicker passed back to, that is the worst flea-up pass I've ever seen. It looked like you were doing softball

toss to your friends if you're next to them. You're not even pitching. You're like eight feet in the air. And then it took so long that Caleb had to rip it. And I think that was the longest completionate was that all year. Yeah. I mean, he absolutely.

It was a, by the way, it was a really nice catch too by Luther Burden. I mean, that was not an easy catch to man. No, it was not on his body. It was like out with his hands by the sideline. Swift looked like he was trying to get Caleb killed with the flea flicker. Just hung there forever. But do you think, is it more likely

that three weeks from now we look back on that Dallas game and go, man, Dallas sucks. Or do we look back and say that was the first sign that Caleb was turning into a different version of himself? Did the Bears play the Cowboys again in three weeks? They do play Vegas next week and then they have a buy. Yeah, they got Vegas by Commanders Saints. They have Vegas by Commander Saints. So there's some get right ability here.

I am not trying to wash away what Caleb did here. And, like, I was very impressed and frankly, like, I was going to say crazy, disappointed in Dallas. I don't see, we didn't even mention it. Seedy Lamb got hurt in this game, barely played. Didn't have a catch. There were a lot of people at Cidieland and neighbors on their team that got like no points from either of them. Yeah, and that's the team that you just feel good about going into a Sunday and then nothing. So I understand the Cowboys couldn't keep up.

I don't want to like hand wave what Caleb did. It was incredible. And again, he looks like a number one pick. It's going to work. But to answer your question, I think the Cowboys defense is the worst defense I've seen in like a while. You can say both. I think you can say both. I think Craig. The stripper did like you, but it's also her job.

She's going to go on living her life because she has to, you know, provide for her family. So therefore, you know, she's not going to just quit us for you. She'll start texting you when she's going on that night and then you can show up her discount. I think we haven't talked about them a lot lately because they've been losing pretty badly. But Caleb Williams has been doing the things you hope to see from him this year in terms of not taking many sacks, playing more on time. Very limited turnovers. He has one interceptions. in this show. So like there is

tangible development happening. Obviously, I think it's not going it's not going to be linear and he's not going to just continue to get better and better probably. There's going to be down games too. But I mean, if you're a Bears fan, you got to feel pretty good about this. Caleb's second Chicago quarterback this century of a game with four passing touchdowns,

no turnover, no sacks. Yeah. You got to feel good about Ben Johnson because the offense does have some pretty cool wrinkles in it. They're doing some cool things. And Caleb is running the offense for, you know, for the most part. obviously not perfect and it's going to be a process, but yeah, I think they look pretty good. You have to, I mean, honestly, this is probably the best quarterback Bears game.

I mean, I guess Justin Fields actually a good one a couple years ago, but neither here and or there. None of that ever felt real, though, right? No, it was, this one felt real. This feels more repeatable. This is what you envisioned. It's because of Ben Johnson. That's why it feels repeatable. All right, we're going to get to the rest of the awards here.

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You don't have to worry. I am all right, but I'm in a back house in rural Virginia. At a bachelor party. I'm not at a bachelor party. Hence why, you know, the. Thinking about it. The stripper idea I had? No, that's incorrect.

But, yeah, that I'm sitting hunched over on a couch right now. So my back. My back is tight. Okay. And I'm laying it on the line. You're like, staff. And for the listeners. Yeah, he was holding his back.

Anyway. So for the first loser, we're going to get into losers. First loser, my back. D.K. You're up. I'm going to go with everyone. This is a loser, by the way. Everyone who watched the Jags Texans game.

Everyone who watched that game is now dumber. In an era, in a year, in a season in which the Colts are changing our concept of what is possible in offensive football. Daniel Jones is ascended to a new level of. quarterbacking. Everything he does is absolutely perfect so far the season. They're barely ever punting. I think they punted the first time this week. In a season

when that's happening, the Jags and Texans, good God, what is going on with these two offenses? So the Jags beat the Texans 17 to 10. I feel like Trevor Lawrence and Stroud are kind of in a similar category or the same category now as quarterbacks. Is that category bad? They're bad?

It's, yeah, bad, but you think they should be good. And some people still think they're good and they're going to have a lot of excuses thrown out for them for the next few years probably. Trevor's definitely a couple years ahead of Stroud, but I think Stroud is entering that zone now where you're like, why is this guy so fucking bad? He should be so much better. You're describing me.

I thought Stroud and Lawrence were good and I've been making excuses for them up until today, and I'm done. And I still think Stroud's good. I'm like holding on to this is probably just by it like preconceived notions or whatever. But the Texans offense is extremely bad. Bobby Slocke is probably somewhere smiling like, fuck you guys. Like it wasn't my fault.

Right now through three games, the Texans are dead last in the NFL and points per game, 12.7 points per game. They have scored three total touchdowns this season, which aside for last. They're dead last and points for drive, obviously. Dead last in third down conversion rate, just 24%. That was a huge problem for them last year. Remember, like they would always get into these third and longs, never be able to convert, never keep drives going.

they are absolutely wasting a very good defense or at least a pretty good defense I think Not wasting it anymore. Derek's dangly hurt his oblique So the defense isn't going to be good anymore either This is an interesting stat from Dante Koppelowitz-Fleming He always has Dengist stats every Sunday by the way Check him out The Texans are the only team in the last 20 seasons

To start 0 and 3 despite giving up fewer than 55 points That's fucking sick brutal this offense sucks It's hard to watch I got to tell you, watching Jaguar's Texans today, I think CJ Stroud and Trevor Lawrence both looked like backup quarterbacks. I don't understand it because, yeah, it's like you see Mack Jones come in and play for the 49ers and he's like not like lighting it up. And he's pushing them all down the field and all this stuff. Carson Wentz.

Vastly all played these two. And it's infrastructure. It's more complicated. Look, the Texans offensive line is, I think, clearly the worst in the NFL. It's almost as if getting rid of Laramie Tunsell for a rookie second rounder. and that like didn't work and getting the guards from the two teams whose biggest problem last year was guards and almost like that didn't work and now the whole getting Iowa State receiver thing looks kind of fucked up I don't three weeks in the season but like the season's kind of over like they're o and three the Colts are three and oh they are three games behind the Colts three weeks in that's as bad as you can possibly do and also like it actually was worse than the numbers indicate one they had two rushing first downs which is preposterous but also they the only the only touchdown the Texan scored today was Nico Collins had a 50-yard touchdown. That was bullshit.

That was the cornerback on Jacksonville just did the wrong thing. Like he clearly didn't realize he was the deep safety. Nico Collins was open by 30 yards. It was a broken coverage. It was a busted play. It had nothing to do the skill. Take that out. C.J. Strat had 150 yards and two interceptions.

And like, I can't stress enough a little of the offense did. Then Nico Collins also blew the game anyway because they should have won. Nico Collins trying to do an AJ Brown fumbled in field goal position where the Texas should have been able to pull it out. Like every single aspect of what the Texas do in offense is horrific. It's hard to watch, man.

It's like really frustrating. Stroud hasn't been good for a year and a half. I've been saying it. The real thing you could get, the real take percolating is that Stroud's rookie season was vastly overrated because frankly a lot of turnovers he would have had would just dropped or whatever.

And that strath, like, but I will say the real thing is that if you just look before and after he big brother'd Caleb Williams and stuff, you know, the dude, that, yeah. It's pretty, it's before and after. Lawrence, though, was bad, too. I want to, real quick,

real quick before we move on from, and this is a segue way to Lawrence, but Austin, Gale pointed this out today since the beginning of last season. So Craig, like you said it, since the beginning of 2020-4, the three quarterbacks in EPA per dropback, the three bottom quarterbacks in EPA for dropback

are Joe Flacco, Trevor Lawrence, and CJ Straff. That's, uh, I'm, thank you for remembering that. I actually want you to say that again, because if anyone's, like, driving and, like, doing the dishes and half listening, I, like, need them to hear that again. Expected points for dropback, which is, it takes into account all of the, you know, like, where the, where the ball is going, all the attempted passes.

No stats perfect, but that's the best one we have. It's a very good stat in terms of just, how good are you? How offense is performed? How an offense is performing? It's the best stat we have. And so, and it's a team stat. So it's not just these quarterbacks, but the bottom. three guys are Joe Flacco, Trevor

Lawrence, and C.J. Stroud. Since the beginning of the last year. That's a full year. So I just, that's brutal. And you watch Lawrence today and I'm like, you know, I've been a Lawrence apologist, but I'm like, he missed so many throws. Like, there were just so many downfield throws where I'm like, oh my God, that's off, that's off. And I know the accuracy's been spotty, but seeing it in a game where I'm like, this is

such a most win game. And then you see like, well, they won, but yeah. Yeah, but they won, but like, no, he was terrible. The final drive, when the teams come out of a timeout and like, this is like, go win the game and the first play of the drive. The first play of the drive is Travis Hunter and Brian Robinson are just both thinking they're running a pick route and then Trevor Lawrence throws the ball to someone who isn't

there. And I was one of those where I'm like, I don't know if Brian Robinson wasn't on the same page as Lawrence or if Travis Hunter wasn't. But either way, I'm sorry, yeah, sorry, Brian Thomas. And it's one of those where either Brian Thomas should be on the same page as Lawrence or if it's Travis Hunter read the wrong route. You're like, damn, maybe he shouldn't be in defensive meetings. How is neither of them in the right place on the biggest drive of the game? I think it's pretty simple. I don't think Lawrence is accurate. He's just errant.

All of his throws are not on target. They're just not. Like, he's big, he's athletic, he can move. He's not accurate. And he's just, he misses a lot of throws. He airballs a lot of throws. There's a lot of high throws. That's why everyone makes the hospital ball jokes with him.

He's just not that accurate. In addition to that, and I agree with that, like, he's not been accurate. But in addition to that, and this is a problem that's gone on for the jaggs. For a long time, it's almost like in their DNA. I talk about this all the time. It just feels like this is who you are. I don't care that Liam Cohen is. And look,

they're two and one. So like we're quibbling, obviously. But they're so sloppy. They had five drops today too. Oh my God. In addition to all the inaccuracies and routes being clumped together too much and guys being in the wrong position, they dropped five passes.

Like their superstar receiver, Brian Thomas Jr. Had another like massive drop today. So it's just really frustrating, man. But at least their second overall pick played a lot today. Oh, wait. he played 68% of the team

I want to introduce the new game 68% of the team dropbacks Travis Hunter was out there running routes 16% 2 thirds 2 thirds of it We didn't cover this a ton We don't do a ton but there are fantasies That do individual defensive points

And Travis Hunter was a really controversial player Because the idea that you could play receiver Offensive players score more points in fantasy The defensive guys So it was like a huge controversy that Travis Hunter would have dual eligibility It was like cheating that you could put a wide receiver in a quarterback spot. So someone emailed us in and said two cornerbacks who outscored Travis Hunter and fantasy today in the life.

Like literally Travis Hunter plays both ways. And yet Jamel Dean, Kenny Moore, Chow Smith Wade. Wow. Jamel Dean had a touchdown, right? Yeah. Are you talking about today? Yes, I'm lying. They all actually outspore Chavez.

Smith had a pick six today too. All of them outscored. But the point is there were, I believe, five different cornerbacks who would have had more fantasy points than Travis Hunter today, which isn't great. No,

it's not great. Also, when Travis Hunter has the ball, like he had one catch today for 21 yards. It was awesome. He, like, shook three guys. It looked incredibly twitchy and athletic. Cadarius Tony-esque, I might say. Oh, no.

But don't you dare. Like, complimentary. Like, that's how jittery he looked out there. But he's not playing. No. The, But they won. We have to say they won.

Take ass win. Got the dub. The Texans are an abominate. Did you see? I will say this. Like I want to point this out because I think Schifter was sharing up for some reason. He was sharing a bunch of like postgame speeches by coaches. Like I was like, I don't know.

But I watched them. I have some thoughts about. I kind of fucking fall. I fall for that stuff. I actually get kind of into it. Like there was a great one where Ben Johnson did the post game speech to the team and It was like getting fired up. I kind of get into that stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Liam Cohen was fucking going off after the, after the win. It was like, okay, I kind of like this. I'm kind of in. I'm back in. But even though they're like, they look like shit, they're two and one. So Lawrence was 20 for 40 today, 220 yards, no touchdowns at a pick. And it was, it was bad.

But however, the Colts played great. And I actually think we have to give the Oppenheimer player who went nuclear. I think we have to just give it honestly to the Colts. Daniel Jones, Jonathan Taylor. They're 3-0. They beat the Titans today, 41 to 20. Another great stat from Dante, Coppowitz Fleming.

This is hilarious. This blows my mind. It gives you the context, and I don't believe it at 1% even, but it is hilarious. There's two teams in the Super Bowl era to start 3-0 while punting less than five times.

The 2025 Colts and the 2007 Patriot. This is, the level of offensive just destruction that we're seeing from the cults, like perfection. It's the 2007 Patriots, which they changed offense as we

know it that year. Who is like... Who should be more embarrassed by that fact? Who should be more... Is this just the Saints from last year? Well, D.K., who should be more embarrassed by that fact? Anthony Richardson for being unable to quarterback this team or the Giants for cutting Daniel Jones. I get it.

Daniel Jones is never going to do this with the Giants. this is a great That's correct But perhaps it was always in him I did you know what I think is funny Maybe that maybe it never was But it felt like this was a close competition between Between Dale Jones and Anthony Richardson

Riches is good like Richards like I thought for a long time People thought Anthony Richardson was going to be the starter And then it was like a shock that Daniel Jones And now he's like playing as the best quarterback in the league right Basically the best quarterback in the league He's Josh Allen Daniel Jones Lamar Jackson He's the QB3 in fantasy. The Colts are 3 and 0. The Titans are 0 and 3. The Texans are 0 and 3.

The Jags are 2 and 1. Dude, the Colts have 103 points in 3. They're averaging 34 points a game. No Indianapolis-era Colts team has ever done that. 103 points in three games. They never did that. I like that we bought our, we all brought our own cult stats. My Indiana Jones stat is that Indiana Jones is the first play with three touchdown passes,

three touchdown runs, and no turnovers in the first three weeks in the Super Bowl era. Did you see that they were calling him Indianapolis Jones on the broadcast? I'm like, what are you doing? I think it's Indiana Jones. That's the word. That doesn't make any sense. Anyway, here's the deal that I think is so impressive about Daniel Jones.

And he had a couple of plays in this game where he escaped pressure. There was one in particular. He like ran around, spun backwards and then rushed for a third down. I think it was like a third and long. And it was incredible play. Daniel Jones, who to me in high fits, there was times in the past where Hyphitz was talking about how he was legitimately worried about Daniel Jones crossing the street because he just had no pocket awareness.

He did not sense pressure whatsoever. He just couldn't deal with pressure. And it kept taking a million sacks and getting hurt on these sacks through three games. Daniel Jones has taken two sacks. And he leads the NFL. Yep, leads the NFL. So a lot of what the cult are doing, I don't want to pretend to know everything Shane Stuyke is doing an offense.

But I do think, I swear to God, sometimes teams, I wonder if the team. playing the Colts have actually watched the 20-22 tape of the Giants because I feel like Shane Stuyken has taken a lot of elements of that offense except the difference is the Giants were trying to throw a lot of stuff, but basically moving the pocket and like

just that whole offense was spamming bootlegs to tight ends to like throwing the flat to like Daniel Bellinger and the difference is the Colts have a better offensive line than the Giants did. Jonathan Taylor's similar to Sequin, but Tyler Warren is like the best player in the Colts. And I feel like the teams haven't

watched any of the Daniel Jones stuff that Shane Stike gets cribbing from. And eventually I wonder if this is going to like calm down or whatever because teams are going to realize that like how much of a downfield passing game is there necessarily if there's not just bootlegs all the time. I will say this though. Jones, to your point, is not getting sacked. He's still a little reckless. And having watched this guy's entire career, Joan, like he did twice in this game, if I'm not

mistaken. Daniel Jones got past the sticks on a scramble and then lowered his shoulder for like another yard. He needs to protect himself, man. If you got the first down already, just go down. Why are you fighting for one yard? Like, that's dumb.

He will get hurt at some point over the season. I didn't have thought it. No, if you keep doing that shit. Right. Don't be like, oh, come on. Like, he's got hurt every year of his fucking career. He's been hurt. Every year of his career.

I'm just saying, he needs, there are three and oh. Don't put that out there. I'm saying, don't, I'm not putting it out there. You are. You are literally putting it out there. That's not a jinx. A jinx is saying he'll definitely not get hurt. That's a jing.

You said he will get hurt. Don't put that out there. I say it'll get hurt if he keeps fucking lowering his shoulder. The definition of putting it out there is you saying he will get hurt this year. Fine. I'm putting it out there. Daniel, stop lowering your fucking shoulder if you already got the first down.

Like, don't get hurt. Like I saw you. Be you, Daniel. That's why you guys are winning. He only knows how to be him. I think you're right though. He is the, Daniel Jones has the fourth fastest time to throw right now in the league.

Like the ball is getting out of his hand quick. And he's actually getting pressured a lot, which is interesting. The sack rate is the lowest. in the league, but the pressure rate's kind of high. Like, Justin Herbert today played the Broncos, got sacks five times. Daniel Jones played the Broncos last week, got sacked once.

But the pressure rate was equal. It was basically 50% of dropbacks for Herbert and Daniel Jones. They were pressured. And yet Daniel Jones, it resulted in one sack. Herbert, it resulted in five. And it's because of the time to throw. Herbert holds onto the ball. He's trying to make things happen.

Daniel Jones is really good at getting it out of his hand. And that's why Tyler Warren is like the perfect fit. Yeah. Even though he had kind of a slow day today for, Because the Colts beat the shit out of the Titans. Yeah, Jonathan Taylor was nuts. Yeah, I was going to say, before we move on from the Colts, Jonathan Taylor, I don't think any running back is playing better than him.

No, he's number one. I don't know if I'm ready to call him the best running back in the NFL, but I think it's a discussion. He's certainly the best season unambiguously. Yeah, I mean, in terms of stats, he's the best running back in the NFL. I don't even think this is, like, he's having a great season. I think this is who Jonathan Taylor is, and we saw it his second year in the league when he led the league in rushing,

and then he's been kind of dinged up. He was suspended for that. There has been some stuff. The Colts were bad. Jim, or say, was trying to give his money to a whale. Yeah.

And then said, look, son, we all do, well, we just, quotes kind of aged well, but I do them.

Yeah, like, I think Jonathan Taylor has always been this good. There's just been many reasons why it, like, hasn't been working out. But when things are clicking, the offensive line is good.

The offense is good. And he's healthy and playing. This is how good he is. He is a top two or three running back in the league. I have to, you know, in retrospect, Jim RSA refusing to give John Taylor $25 million while simultaneously trying to airlift a whale to the Pacific Northwest for $25 million.

Then the whale died and he signed Jonathan Taylor. It's my favorite thing that's happened in the entire time I've done the show. You couldn't have made that up. Think about how many, like the most creative writer. I can't even imagine anyone. If I ever have that much money, I hope to be doing some shit like that.

That whale died and John Taylor was signed over three days. Operation Dumbodrop. It's unbelievable. He's going to be moving some massive animals. That's all I want to do. Anyway, Taylor, by the way, is first in rushing yards, first in rushing yards after contact,

first in scrimmage yards, first in touchdowns, first in points per touch. He's very good. And he looked awesome. He looked awesome. His long touchdown run was unbelievable. It's amazing. Yeah, no, it's Jonathan Taylor right now is,

I don't know he's a league winner, but if you're 3 and O, you probably have Jonathan Taylor in your fantasy team. This is a big reason. By the way, who, they beat? I feel like we didn't even mention it. The Titans. The Titans. The Titans who have the worst vibes of anything. Do you want me to? I was

going to wait. We'll just do it now. The Titans. They didn't get Callahan the hell out of there. The worst coaching of the entire day, I was going to do this. We could just do this coaching category now. Sure. Yeah. I think Brian Callahan and Mike McDaniel are just like having a secretariat neck and neck race for who's going to be the first coach fired.

I'm back in on McDaniel. Well, the bad game, but yeah, they played better on Thursday. The Titans game. First of all, I have to read this quote from Michael Pittman. and then I have to yell at Brian Callen. But Michael Pittman, who's the cult receiver, you talked about what's the opposite of the inspirational coach speeches after game?

I love when players bury a team via quote. Like, we knew we were on a win all week. Like Michael Pittman said this about playing the Titans today. He said, we saw it on the pregame intros. The Titans kind of looked a little sluggish. They were kind of walking around. Nobody was really bouncing. Right then and there, we all sat there and we were like,

they don't want to play today. I actually think that's about as damning of a thing as you can say about another coach. you can have an X and O tell, you can have whatever. If you're a coach and your team's getting the shit kicked out of them and the other team's like, yeah, they look like they didn't want to play. It's kind of the most insulting thing you could say to another team. Also, Callahan, like, can't manage the clock to save his life.

It's bad. So that's, I have to go into this. I'm sorry. One of the worst things I've seen, Callahan delay, I think it's the worst coach in this thing of the year. There was a minute left in the half and the Titans were at midfield. They're like, fine, we'll settle for a 57-yard field goal, which put that to the side of whether you're going to,

bleed out in 90 seconds and just not try to get closer to 50. They're like, whatever. He's settled for 57. Fine. The Colts take a timeout because they're like, yeah, we'll get the ball 45 seconds left. Sure. Brian Callan still doesn't know if he wants to settle for the field goal. So then they take a time out.

So like the Colts took a time out and the Titans still couldn't decide. Then they Titans took a time out. Their final time out. They're sorry. No, they still have one left. Then they're like, we'll put the field goal unit out there. Somehow, after they had the worst special team, in like history last year.

After four minutes of timeouts. They didn't, I believe, Brian Callan said they didn't have the right ball out there for the field goal. The kick, K ball, the kicking ball. Can't stress enough how much that's like four people's entire job on the sideline is to get the correct ball.

There's a guy that it's like, his whole job is to hold a cable. Also, also, like, just kick without it. Isn't that what people were doing like for the last 50 years? Well, it's a 57 yard or you can't, but you're saying you can't take another timeout because that's a penalty.

So then, because he already took one, so they take a delay of game, 62-yarder, decided to kick anyway, miss the kick, Colts get the ball, go down, the Colts get a field goal. And it's one of those things where you're like, I just can't believe the Colts took a timeout and then they still couldn't fucking decide

and he took his own and then they needed the timeout. And it's just, they invent new ways. Well, it's snowballing. We didn't really discuss this earlier, but it's snowballing on Callahan because I think he's under a lot of heat. He didn't know what the catch rule was or there was a flub a couple weeks ago or a week ago where he was like, I think he was going to challenge it.

One knee down doesn't equal two feet or something. I can't remember what exactly it was. It was an eye manor. It was that. Yeah, shin is two feet. One elbow doesn't equal to feet or whatever. Anyway, so he's been under fire for like things that he should know, I guess. It was an elbow in week one.

Yeah. I will say I want to throw one thing out here, just not in defense necessarily, but like give some context. The Titans have had just like the most fucking hellacious schedule to start the season. Denver Broncos week one. Los Angeles Rams week two. Yeah.

Indianapolis Colts week three. Next week they get the Texans defense. I think this I think we'll look back at the end of the year and the Broncos Rams and Colts will have three of the best defenses in the league. And so at the very least, at the very least, hopefully things will start to get a little bit easier for this team. I agree.

You know that like it's not good right now. everything looks horrible. And Cam Ward has, you know, the stats don't look great. I think he's flashed a little bit, but the stats don't look good. Calvin really hasn't done jack shit. I-O-M-An-or looks awesome. He actually, we'll talk about him later. But, you know, I think just keep that in mind.

Like, they've had an absolute gauntlet to start the season. The best defenses in the league. But still, it's not looking good. Other people want to shout out for just people who did massive day. Isaiah Rogers, the cornerback on the cults. Sorry, too much cults. He was in the Colts. Isaiah Rogers, now on the Vikings.

I think Isaiah Rogers genuinely probably had the best first half any defender, any defender has ever had in the history of the NFL. Yeah. And I don't, I've never seen anything like that. Rogers had, I mean, he's the first player to have two touchdowns and two force fumbles in the first half since they began tracking the stats. And he did that in the first half. Like he's the first player at NFL history to have a pick six, a fumble return for a touchdown, and two force fumbles in a game. And he did it in the first half.

Like, Isaiah Rogers kind of single-handedly ended this game. Right. He literally put the Vikings up. He gave 14 points himself. then another force fumble that the Vikings immediately turned into a third touchdown. I think the Vikings defense scored like 29 today or something like that. Isaiah Rogers outscored the Bengals.

The Bengals at 10 points and one was the garbage time. Isaiah Rogers at 14. Wild. And then the Vikings, it's the number one fantasy defense on the whole day. Obviously, I mean, they had like 30 points. I have a friend who picked him up, left him on his bench, left his defense slot.

God, that's the worst. But yeah, that was just a slaughter. Literally 48 to 10. And it was really 48 to 3. So that was just ridiculous. But yeah, shout out Isaiah Rogers. So it's nice that now he has something other than just being the guy who's submitted for gambling.

So there you go. There we go. It's a nice come up. Good job. Good game. Maybe bet on two touchdowns. Other, okay, it's so over. We're so back.

Craig. We're so back. The Browns D might be sick again. Two years ago, Brown's D was unstoppable. Dude, quietly. So as we said earlier, the Browns, they won the football game today against the Green Bay Backer. They had more point.

The game ended and they had more points in the Packers. They held Joe Burrow to 17 points in week one. And then they lost badly to the Ravens in week two. But they only let up 10 points in the first half. They basically have just had one bad half in the first three weeks of the season. They are first and first downs allowed per game. They have the highest sack rate in the league. Second lowest yards for play.

The defense looks like a wagon. And also like, unfortunately, appears that Quintan Junkins is pretty good at running back. Yeah. And if this team had like a quarterback that was decent, I think the Browns could be pretty solid because the defense is awesome. D. Kim, curious what you think? I think sometimes you watch a team not be able to move the ball like the Texans. You're like, this team, this offense sucks.

And the Browns's offense isn't great. But I looked at the Packers Browns. I actually thought this was one of the better played games in the day. I thought the defenses were unbelievable. It's really fun to watch. I mean, obviously, Miles Garrett is just a freaking game wrecker out there. Crazy. He's awesome. They have a good secondary.

The guys are flying around. I don't know. It's just, yeah, they just are playing really disciplined and absolutely destroying people up front. So I want to shout out Mason Graham. I think I saw this. I can't remember where it was, but their rookie defensive tackle had like a 40-something percent win rate.

Who they traded, the Jags traded back out of the Travis Center pick and the Browns picked up the picks and also got Mason-Gran. He was super disruptive. Dropping him into that defensive line is so. somewhat similar and much, much lower, it's not lauded nearly as much as what the Giants did with Abdul Carter. But, I mean,

he's raising the level, I think, of that defensive unit. So, man, they're just absolutely dominant. And if they do a good job of, not turning the ball over and if Flacco can kind of just play more ball control,

obviously, this is a really good defense they played for the Packers. So didn't expect Flacco to play well. But, you know, they have some interesting weapons on offense, too, like Fanon is look good,

Tillman looks good. they're like you said judkins i think he's creating on his own he looks good tackles yes so i don't know they have like three good running backs judkins and samson seems like it'll be a really good yeah like a really well-suited complimentary duo for a while miles garrett had multiple double teams that he just beat both guys which is incredible and also uh jordan love had a brutal interception of three minutes left that also helped them like micha parsons said a couple flags like the packers i think the most penalties the packers have had in the game in like 15 years but i do want to shout out Andre Schmidt

who hit a 55-yard game winner career-saving kick because he had the field goal and the extra point missed. And I have to say a lot of people, some people, you know, calling him Andre Schitt. I called him vowel challenged.

I have to just read this for me to SPAN. I didn't know this. For Schmidt, it was the kick. The game winning kick was an opportunity at redemption after a tumultuous few weeks. Schmidt, who kicked in the NFL before joining the Brown's practice quality last season,

revealed postgame that his mother died from a brain aneurysm in July. And then everyone made fun of him for his last name in a week one when he missed the kick. So I'm not going to lie. I'm really happy that he made this kick and beat the Packers. It's pretty awesome.

That was a crazy game. I couldn't. There was one of those games where you're watching and the Packers just letting the Browns hang around. They're hanging around. Packers kind of deserved that. I think that's actually a good loss for the Packers long term because like that's a good lesson.

Like, they really. They're starting to feel themselves a little bit too much. I agree. All the Super Bowl teams, like the Chiefs years, like they always just would, like, lose to the Broncos or something, like 16 to 10 in week four. You need that. The Ravens lost to the Raiders.

Like, the good team's got to have one punch in the face early on in the season to kind of get you right. All these guys are on Instagram and TikTok. And they see all the stuff saying Packers are simple favorites. And they're like, oh, we lost to the Brown. You'll remember that all year now. It's probably going to help them. Honestly, they need it. Austin,

since a stat here, Cleveland is allowing 19 yards per drive, best in the league, but more than three yards. That's wild. They're only giving up 19 yards per drive. And again, like they play Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and Jordan Love. Yeah. Great call.

It's so over. It's so over for the Raiders. The Raiders, the lost 41 to 24. Wasn't that close. To Marcus Marrota. They got rocked by Marcus Marroti. The offensive line for the Raiders is a mess. Ashton Gentia has no juice.

Negative yards before contact still. Honestly, Camp Scatabot looks better. Chip Kelly, no juice. Pete Carroll looks like the oldest coach in the history. You're not right. You're taking fucking, you're taking Gentie a hundred times out of a hundred if you offer a trade straight up.

No, that's not true. I would never. No, I would not. I would not. Brock Bowers looks like Jake Tongius. Like this is to the Raiders, it's tough,

it's tough right now. What did the Raiders do to you? Why he's so mad right now? It was a pathetic game. It's pathetic. It's concerning. The few runs that Gentie gets loose. I still think he looks great when he

gets loose. He just never happens. No, I know. The Raiders, it's almost like drafting a running back doesn't fix your offensive line and putting Seekwan behind either. Like, the history of the running back thing is really simple. Put him on the best offensive line in the NFL, like Zeke Elliott or Seekwan Eagles and Zeke to the Cowboys, that works. Give McCaffrey

to Kyle Shanhan, give Todd Gurley to Sean McVe that works. Otherwise, it doesn't fucking work. And it was a bad idea for the Raiders to take him. It's been three games, but I feel like that's true. Also, Bowers isn't healthy and Bowers not healthy is really sad. The Bowers thing has been a big deal, I think, because he's like obviously a huge focal point of their offense. If he's not creating on his own, it's tough.

But I will say the Raiders basically their offensive line is so bad. It's like a non-starter. You can't even dream of having an offense with an offensive line that is performing this way. I want to read some stats here. Geno Smith was pressured on 65% of his dropbacks in week three. He was pressured on 22 out of 34 dropbacks, which was by far the worst in the NFL through, through, through three games, he's been pressured on 44% of his dropbacks, which is the worst in the NFL.

He's somehow still middle of the pack in EPA per play. He's keeping it together just, you know. It's because he's ripping the ball and making big plays out. They played Washington. The charges are good defense. They played Washington and the Patriots do their two weeks. Those aren't there are defense. Patriots have a good front, I would say.

Sure. But the Raiders have a terrible front. That's like that. Yeah, the rate, well, that's my point is like, Gentie, Bowers, all these guys. Myers and Gino like none of them are going to be able to do what they really are capable of doing if they're under pressure fucking 65% of the time

like you can't do anything about like they need to Chip Kelly needs to figure a way to mitigate that Genty has been hit at or behind the line of scrimmage on 70% of his fucking carries like it's a non-starter they need to they need to mitigate how somehow this offensive line but I mean at the end of the day

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Is it? I don't need. I never watched that show. Oh, you just thought about debut tant balls without watching that show. Do they have a lot of debut time balls in Virginia? I feel like they probably do. Probably.

South. Craig, what's the word on the street? He's the most fucking West Coast people ever. Is that not incorrect? That's super correct. The South has the most. debutante balls, I would say, of any region in America.

Okay. Anyway, yeah. So I'm already turned pretty as in Massachusetts, but yeah. Again, I haven't seen the show. I'm not going to do that. It's Conrad's Joe Burroughs. I'm going to Google debutante ball per capita. I mean, it's the South.

I feel confident. It's the South. What does Gem and I say, D.K.? It's just ironic because most people who, most people who live in the real South would be like Virginia's not. They don't even want Virginia to count. It's funny. That's all.

There's debutante balls in a lot of states. Virginia has one in Chantilly, Etric, and Richmond. Mechanicsville? Not seen Mechanicsville. Tyler Warren. Mechanicsville. Anyway, we can continue. So it's getting off the rails. Yeah, it is.

All right. The point of this segment is to say that the Chargers are, are graduating from being the Chargers. They are now becoming a team that wins at the Chargers. the end of games. They are, they are graduating from the wonky, shitty endings and we go, oh, classic Chargers lost. That's no longer the case. The 3 and O in the Madison Beer era, shouts out my boy, Herbie. The game that they won today, Herbie fully loaded. He's fully loaded. He's fully unloaded. Probably. Maybe that's the difference. Maybe that's what he needed. He's loose. This is a game. The game today

was a game the Chargers lose historically. You know what I mean? Yeah. And they did, and Herbert had an awesome fourth quarter drive. I think he had to play of the day. The game winning touchdown to Keenan Allen, where he gets hit and spun around in the pocket. They're like 20 yards from the end zone. He's running to his left. That was sick.

Turn his body all the way around with Nick Benito in his face. He like sidearm rifles a ball. I don't even know how he could see where he's throwing. And it is perfectly in Keenan Allen's hands. Those shortest of short list for like throw the year, throw the season so far. When we do it at the end of the year, that'll be on the list. Yes, the Chargers are already, they're 2 and 0 and 1 score games already this year.

And dude, if you look at their schedule, I'm like a mini Chargers fan. I just like want to be a Chargers fan because they don't have any. You're in the first-year quarterback. Yeah, you're in searching quarterback for a little bit. Yeah, that's probably why. But also they don't have any fans. I would love to be a fan. Like, I could probably sit front row with the games because there's no one there, I don't think.

But there should be, they should have more fans. Like, this is like, if you live in L.A. or you don't, get in now. Because this team's going to be awesome for a long time, I think. It is awesome. Because now the Broncos have lost There's this crazy stat that the Broncos Lost their last two games Even though they were winning the entire fourth quarter

Because the Broncos lost both the last two games Yeah they were trailed for zero seconds On the last play the game is zero seconds left And like I just remember reading that I'm like that's the most Chargers stat I've ever heard 100% passed it on to the Broncos What's the there's like a movie about this like Freaky Friday

You're like passing on some This is the sinkly the Broncos in charge They're forcing the curse onto Denver Dude, really, though. But it's like they're 3-0, and if you look at their schedule, their next games. They play the Giants, the commanders, the dolphins, the Colts, the Vikings, the Titans, the Steelers, Jags, Raiders.

Dude, I think the charges are going to be 10 and 2. Especially everything I was worried about hasn't been an issue. The defensive, any lack of talent, like signing Puna 4 to defensive tackle has been an awesome. Lil Mac missing time hasn't been a big issue. Jordan James has been one of the best defensive players in the league this year. Sean Slater, it hasn't been super a huge deal yet that Slater's not there.

And then also, obviously, I, you know, I was just concerned about just Greg Roman having an adult passing game. And also not only is it not reader. Quinn Johnson, Quinn Johnson's been incredible. He might be real. He might be real. When are we going to say, every week I'm like,

hey, he had another good week. Do we care? And you're like, well, I still think he has rocks for hands, but it might not matter. It's like there's a lot of, there's a lot of really good receivers. He had a great, great.

catch today? I refuse to believe in training. When players you can't catch have training camp stories written that, hey, I think I learned to catch this year. It made a good catch in camp. I don't care. This week, I will say there were multiple catches Quentin Johnson had that I'm like, I don't know if he makes that

the past couple of years. I'm prepared to say that he might be the best playmaker on the Chargers. That's my intrusive thought. If you would just watch this season on a, like, complete, like, if you had only watched the last three games, you would be like, oh, that's the receiver that took him the first round, yeah, definitely.

Like, unfortunately, for somebody, for people who drafted Ladd-McConkey, like myself in the Ringer League, uh, I think he's the number three, he is the number three option on the team right now. I like, I think he'll have a solid year and whatnot, but Quinn Johnson is the wide receiver five in fantasy and Keenan Allen is the wide receiver six in fantasy right now. Those are Herbert's two favorite options. That's incredible. Also, he threw to Hampton, uh, he had six passes to Hampton.

Keenan Allen was such an under the radar guy. He signed with the charges like a week and a half before the, uh, the, this. season and those things almost never matter but he just went back i mean again he had caught i believe more passes from her but than anybody and just it's amazing he just he caught that touchdown that craig was talking about early he did yeah like they they have a a more fully rounded offensive system now with kind of different types of guys that can do different things and also their pass right over expectation i think this year has been really high again like they are not they're not the they're not the they're not the team the offense or the identity that people kind of

I think the picture with them. No, and then, I mean, the running game got, got neutered today because Naji Harris tore his Achilles, which was brutal. Just sad. And it was in the most... It's a tough day for injuries. The thing that sucks about the Achilles tear is it's so innocuous. It's just like such an easy motion.

Anybody can do it. He was just stepping back to begin to run towards the off, like the line. Like it was just what you do every play as a running back and it can just pop. It's not like the ACL or something like that where it's a violent cut or you get hit in a weird way. It's just so innocent. Like pickleball, you know? Running back pickleball, same motion. Same motion.

High Fitzhitz is hamstring on The Bachelor. It's all the same. Oh, man. I really, me and Mike Evans today, really, you know, kinship. Anyway, the Chargers, that's my debut top ball. I want to get to an important, important segment now, speaking of receivers.

Okay. This is fart or shart. Yeah. Just remind people. America's favorite segment. Yeah, it's important. Is this like a fart? We should sell this to first take.

I mean, come on. How much can we get it? That's a point. or shart is this something, you know, both are stinky. One will go away in a little bit. One is, one's a really big deal. One's something that's going to be an issue for quite some time. And no one will ever forget it.

One you can stay at the dinner. The other, you have to leave the dinner. Fart is like Al Roker farts at the White House. You have to go take a shower. Al Roker sharts at the White House. It defines your life. It's national news. So with that said, DK.

Oh, you're going to ask me. Marvin here is a Jew. What are you talking about? That's the rule. Marvin Harrison Jr. dropped three passes today. God. Two touchdowns and a third down.

Fart or shart? Marvin Harrison Jr. wildly disappointing so far. Fart. He's still going to be fine. Grow up. He doesn't suck. Grow up.

If Quentin Johnson can figure out how to catch the ball, Marvin Harrison can do it. He's like the guy who they said, everyone said was the best wide receiver in the last five years. He can't catch a pass. At what point can't acknowledge? that if the late neighbors had been named Marvin Harrison Jr. And Marvin Harrison Jr.

had not been named, had been named Robert Woods. It wouldn't have been close. Yeah, yeah. You keep saying that. It still doesn't move me. But yeah, he's a good player.

He's going to be fine. Azy? He's definitely very disappointing relative to where... What's good about him? He's made some plays. He had 800 yards last year. I will acknowledge. He's not bad.

I think it's all about perspective. One of the drops was immediately after James Connor, like, destroyed his ankle. And I'll give you a free pass for that. He's in his own head. He's in his own head. He's doing, he's like clapping at the ball.

It's weird. Biceps are so big. Maybe he's got a range of motion is like not very good. He's got the same. He's just so huge. Yeah. We should get him on the NFL version of the Haney Project. I think if you're telling, I think the definition of shirt.

Chris Haney, the guy who, the golf coach, he used to, he, he hosted a show called the Haney Project where he would bring people. in who had broken golf swim. Is that Hank Haney? Yeah. And Charles Barkley went on it. It was like a whole thing. You don't remember that?

I thought you said Chris Haney. Oh, did I? Sorry. Whatever. The show's called the Haney Project. You never heard of that show? I guess I knew that happened. I didn't know it was a show.

I just remember, I just seen the videos of Hank Haney trying to help Charles Barkley. Yeah, yeah. That's the only thing I saw. We need to get that. D.K., you should go help Marvin Harrison. Just teach you about a TV show. Here's the deal. We could get, do you think there's a former, like, Hall of Fame receiver that we could get to help, like, do the

show. Getting me catch him maybe played for the Colts. Oh, yeah. Maybe like to host the show. But he has to know him really well. Yeah, yeah. Better if he knew Marvin Harrison Jr. really well. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to think of maybe, Reggie White Wayne. He's a coach. Reggie, T.Y. Hilton, maybe. T.Y. Hilton, yeah, he'd be good. D.K., do you have any ideas of who could help? Dallas Clark, maybe? Dallas Clarks is probably around. That would be good. Michael Pittman at a big day. Yeah. Is there any, I don't know. I feel like we're missing one. Do you think anyone else could help Marvin Harrison, catch the ball.

Oh, God. Dante Moncrief. He had a couple moments. Yeah. Who's that big tight end from TCU? That's like the biggest guy in the world. Moe-A-Cox. He knows a re-fincy football.

If you can think of a better option. Yeah, I can't. I don't know. I can't think of one. Anyway. I just want to be clear. I'm not like caping for him. He's obviously been really disappointing.

I just don't think he actually sucks. I think he's going to be fine. What does fine mean? Yeah. Thank you, Craig. Well, okay, a shart, in my opinion, would be like, this guy sucks. If he's fine, that is a shart. 100%.

In the fourth in the draft. So that, okay. In the best receiver draft we saw. According to that definition, yeah, it was a chart. Do you think he will ever be a perennial top 10 fantasy wide receiver? That I don't know. Shart. Okay.

Wet, stinky shirt. You guys are creating new definitions of shart. He's the fourth. It's not. Your definition of shart is bullshit is not. a perennial top 10 fantasy receiver. It doesn't have to be that. It's the idea is, is he a replaceable?

Not for the fourth overall pick. Is he? The happiness is expectations. Is he going to be John Ross? Minus reality. Okay. Well, if he's John Ross, it's more than a shart. Is he going to be Corey Davis?

No. I think he's going to be a good player in the league for a long time. We're setting the bar quite low if we're saying, is he going to be. You're setting it so high. I think, let's meet in the middle somewhere. I think being a top 10 receiver is not a high bar for. the fourth overall pick in the draft. I think that's, that is what you should do. Am I crazy?

The fourth overall pick should be a top 10 wide receiver. Okay, but you have one year in. Well, fine. Just chill. Just relax. I would argue that most of the receivers who are now top 10 receivers in the league, you knew within the first what about Nico Collins? 19 games of his career. Yeah, but Nico Collins. The financier who fumbled the game away. He was not the fourth pick in the draft. That's fair. Yeah. while we're here, D.K. Fartter Shart. Michael Pinnock Jr. Ask someone else. The rule is we have to ask Craig.

Craig, he doesn't pay attention when we tell him. He doesn't remember that. Every, we do this day. He doesn't know. It's only me. Yes. It's been that way for like a year. Okay, do it again.

I'll do something. The Panthers lost today. Sorry, the Panthers beat the Falcons today 30 to nothing. Shart. All right, great. There we go. No, but Mike really. Michael Pinnocker.

Jr. was benched when it was 27-0. Michael Pennix Jr. today. Pretty incredible stat from Austin Gale, burning down the rainforests to find this one. If you look at EPA per dropback this season and just look at unpressured, like no pressure. Clean pocket. Michael Pennix Jr. dead last in EPA per drop back this season.

Clean pockets. Fartor Shart, Michael Pennix Jr. And the Falcons offense looking completely neutered by Carolina, who gave up the most points in history last year. Goose egg against the Panthers? that's a shart. I can't reconcile. The last two games, he's been very bad.

Every time Bejohn Robinson touches the ball, I'm like, well, he's the best player in the NFL. And then the Falcons don't get another first down after. But I just, there's a lot. We don't have to go into everything. But, I mean, the operational stuff is a mess for someone who played a lot of college football. Like Michael Petty, they call timeout on third and one.

They come out of the timeout. There's a delay a game, which is like, drives me up a wall. The headsets went out. Like, I understand that happens sometimes. But then it's like, he, throw a brutal pick six. And then also just, it's not threatening. Like, I think the whole game to me summarized is the Panthers fumbled a punt and the

Falcons recovered it at the Panthers 31. The Falcons did not gain a yard and then missed the kick, which I think really summarizes the entire game. Look, as a Michael Pennock's supporter, I'm not going to comment on today's performance. It's Michael Penn, here's a funny stat that's a little. bad faith, but it's funny. Michael Pennings is 0 and 4 when the other team scored seven points. Wow.

My God. Which is a little bad faith because he went to overtime twice. I don't care. It's funny to say. So anyway, yeah, I just, you know, remember the time the Falcons traded the first round pick next year? So Michael Pennings, the last two games, he's 31 of 57 for 300 yards and two picks. He's averaging five yards per attempt. 55 passer rating

32% success rate okay wait hold on I got it 21% off target rate he's super inaccurate he's not hitting any throws turning the ball over was this his sixth start I feel like we think

Michael Pennex has been starting for a year he has not this was his sixth game as an NFL yeah he's been he's been worse than JJ McCarthy it's JJ McCarthy played like a game and a half

but It just Again, it's No defense is the same every year The Panthers' defensive coordinator to Ahera ever, like he's good But like they give the most points ever last year Oh yeah, Panics

And I were arguing over Hyphids Sorry No, it's fine Hyphids, would you say? It never matters Intrusive thoughts Honestly on that note You know what?

This is like We're going back to the true sense of intrusive thoughts. Shit you just thought today And I was like, wow, I can't believe I thought that Like this isn't a... It's not even a take purge.

I just thought this. Things I thought today. Maybe Bryce Young over C.J. Stroud was actually a good draft pick. It occurred to me today. I can't refute it completely. I thought maybe they got the right guy. I don't think Bryce Young played that well.

I know. I was going to say, is Bryce Young even, like, playing that well right now? Not really. No. It's just more a testament to how bad Stroud has been. Yeah. Yeah.

I also had an intrusive thought. Drake Bay has so much fucking Carson, and wents in him. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's not even intrusive. It's just, I'm starting to worry a little bit about May.

The Patriots? I thought he made him. I guess this is very wensy, but I thought he had a lot of really nice throws today. Yeah. But a lot of bono. He's like the young person who wins pre-CL, but there's some dumb, dude,

the Patriots, I know it's not going to be like this every week, but holy shit. Five turnovers and it gave me lost by seven points. Yeah, definitely it wasn't on May. I mean, he did have a turnover, but it was like all the fumbles by the running back. He's, yeah, but Drake May threw a pick on third and goal. to end the first half. It was tipped.

What, it was. I thought that could have been a completed pass. The guy was open. It was tipped. Fair. Also had, but the fumble he had in the second half was frankly, he looked really stupid. It's one of those where if I tried to play quarterback, I worry that I would do shit like

that. Like, he was just running and kind of like, like, just kind of like threw the ball away. It was levy. It was very levycy, like Drake-based fumble. He had a very levy fumble in the preseason. He's a lot of levisen. him. And I don't even want to get into Ramandri fumbling twice. And then Antonio Gibson fumbling. It's just kind of depressing. Is Ramadre ever going to see the field again? Never. We, Rable was a little,

Rable actually was like, we need him to get over this. Like, I can't, we can't, we can't not plan. Brable was like defending him. Brable is like, I need this guy to get over. This has been like a probably. He's been the most fumbly running back in the league. He leads league and fumbles in the last three years. And then also, I'm sorry, we just have worst, the worst play of the day I saw you was pop to pop douglas fourth and fourth down game on the line like patriots need to go down and tie the game pop douglas gets the first down and then jumps behind the marker and gets tackled and the game ends yeah brutal still is lost by seven even that i if you like watching that play it was like the way he was moving and where the the the steeler defender was like it makes sense what

he did i it like it looks bad on paper or you can kind of be like you should have just went forward but the way he was moving and the way the the little screen was set up that's kind of what you do but I see what you're saying. TK. Any other intrusive thoughts? I'm just sucking up to Bill. Put that on the Instagram.

This is the type of thing that I kind of typically my initial gut reaction or whatever is to just scoff and say it's stupid but today I had the intrusive thought that maybe the Vikings really did just Shadow Bench, J.J. McCarthy, like the ankle. thing.

Like, oh, yeah, by the way, he's got an ankle injury. And then, like, after the game today, Kevin O'Connell was like, yeah, yeah, he's still hurt pretty bad. Super hurt. Like, he didn't even give him a chance. He's like, no, we're playing once again. He earned a second chance. So I think maybe my more nuanced, intrusive thought is that I'm wondering if the Vikings are

just going to keep rolling with Wentz for as long as it works. Do you think that McCarthy just ends up? up out for this season two and then once again he meets with Kevin O'Connell for like one hour a week to get the mental reps for next year. Carson Wentz signs a hundred million dollar deal with the Steelers next year. Yeah.

God. So here's the deal. I mean, big picture Carson Wentz played so the offense could work, right? Like he operated within the confines of the offense. Game manager, Carson Wants. And J.J. McCarthy, the way he was playing outside of that fourth quarter against the Bears

was like, you can't run an offense like this. He's taking too long on everything. It's like that was the big deal. He's just too slow. The ball's not coming out. And when it does come out, he's late to or whatever he's throwing behind guys, blah, blah, blah. And Kevin O'Connell, this was from Lindsay Theory. She said before the game, this is before even Carson Wentz played.

He said Carson Wentz has the ability, I think I'm paraphrasing here. Carson Wentz has the ability with his comfort level to bring some aspects of the offense that they haven't been able to tap into this season. And that's kind of just reading between lines is like he's just able to run the offense that we want to run. Completing passes. Right. And according to Next Gen stats, went through a quick pass, which is under two and a half seconds on 60% of his pass attempts,

9 and 12, 101 yards and two touchdowns on those throws. So the focus of this was get the ball out quickly, which was the biggest problem JJ McCarthy was having. According to Next Gen stats, the weeks one and two, McCarthy had a quick pass on just 17% of his drop back. So that was a huge difference. And if you look at the Viking schedule, it's pretty brutal. I know the Steelers aren't blowing up on defense right now.

They're not very good on defense. But they're playing at the Steelers next week, at the Browns. They have their buy Eagles, Chargers, Lions, Ravens. Yikes. That is a brutal stretch. That's crazy. And so I'm just curious how this is going to go. Like if Wentz can continue kind of like run the offense,

the way, you know, because just the way they want to run it, get the ball out quickly, get it to their playmakers. You know, T.J. Hawkinson was resurrected from the dead today. Look pretty good.

And Jordan Mason was running all over the place. Like, they just looked. Christian Derissoe was back at lift tackle, which was big. Yeah. And I'm not even saying I'm giving up on J.J. McCarthy.

I'm just saying, I'm wondering how they're going to play this because they have such absolutely brutal schedule coming out. Well, and their roster's good. Like, they might just not be a team that needs a rookie right now. Right. Or de facto rookie.

Yeah. If J.G. McCarthy was named like... A guy who's played one game. Right. Two. Okay. He got hurt in the second game. I guess he did play the whole game. Yeah.

Any other intrusive thoughts? Sometimes I think Caleb is going to really work with Ben Johnson. And I'm like, this is going to be a fucking massive success. Like, whenever a play works, I'm like, this is going to be really, really successful one day. I feel bad that Bears fans probably think of me as hating Caleb. Williams because I've been critical of him, but like I spent most of last off season thinking Caleb Williams would just be Aaron Rogers. Yeah. I like, I don't, again, that's truly an intrusive thought because I also have been quite critical of him and I don't think he looks good most of the time.

But when it does look good, I do think that with Ben Johnson, and I think Ben Johnson is the real deal. I'm like, oh, I think there's a chance that the bears are just like the best, one of the best offenses in the NFL for the next five years. The thing I do want to just remind people about with Caleb Williams is, do you know how Aaron Rogers played? in his second season. He didn't fucking play for three years. And like maybe the NFL contract structure hasn't exactly incentivized the right way to actually develop a goddamn quarterback.

And maybe that's why guys like Carson Wentz can come in and have 48 points today or whatever. But yeah, no, I agree, Craig. It's nice. I got to say, for me personally, it's nice not being the Caleb defender on this pod today. He's good.

Play of the day, I mean, the block kicks. I mean, the Jordan Davis one is probably it, like, but we can go through the other one. Maybe the Herbert throw. The other, yeah, the Herbert throw. I mean, the Browns block kick, the 55 yard. There's, I want to shout. The flea flicker was sick, speaking of Caleb. The flea flicker was sick.

I want to shout out Callais Campbell, who forced what could have been the game winning safety. I just, he's 39. It is just, it wasn't like the best play of the day. It's just unbelievable. There's a 39-year-old defensive end actually making game-breaking plays. No, he's just a one-of-one type player. I got to say, I saw a compilation the other day of Jerry Rice clips after the age of 40. When he was playing for the Seahawks.

Seahawks legend Jerry Rice. It's, I mean, he's moving a little slow out there, but for Christ's sake, the man was 40 and 41, and I think 42 years old. And he looked awesome. And I, like, it just made me rethink sometimes and we're like, oh, Keenan Allen's 33. I'm like, Jerry Rice is 10 years older than Keenan Allen. And, like, looked solid out there. It's just unbelievable. Craig,

Hyphitz, didn't you do a write-up back in the day about Jerry Rice? Yeah, my, one of my, I spent a long time

trying to figure out a way to, it was when Larry Fitzgerald became the second leading receiver ever, and I just wanted to write a post entirely about how, an excuse to talk about Jerry Rice's record, and I spent a long time trying to figure out a visual way to do it. And I like the way I,

um, I can like post it on, like Instagram, the way that Hyphitz post, the way that he kind of like did this data viz, if you will. It's like Jerry Rice's receiving record is so absurdly. There's no one's ever going to care.

I just pulled it up. So Larry Fitzgerald is pretty great. So Larry Fitzgerald is the second most receiving yards ever. And so it's like here's how many players have receiving yards that start with like, just let's call it like 10,000 to 11th out. Like just starts with a 10. Eight players have, or sorry, 13 guys, it starts with a 10. you look at 11,000, there's eight guys, 12,000, there's like eight guys,

13,000, there's like six guys that have between 13 and 14,000. 14,000, it's like six guys. 15,000, it's like five guys. Nobody has 16,000, nobody has 17,000, nobody has 18,000, nobody is 19,000, nobody is 21,000. Jerry Rice has like 22 and a half thousand. So fucking wild. It is actually, it is crazy how much room he put.

between him and everybody else. It's insane. Dude, Jerry Rice. In an era where there was in as many passing yards either. I know. That was in the era when they were running all the time. It's closer to like Dan Marino throwing 48 touchdowns. And then it took like 40 years for someone to match it.

And it's like, that doesn't even count. Dude, Jerry Rice in 1997, which was his age 35 season tore his ACL and MCL came back and then cracked his kneecap. That's at 35 years old. Five years later, at age 40, his season, he had 92 catches, 1,200 yards, and seven touchdowns at age 40. That's sad. For who? For Oakland. Yeah, the Raiders, he was good for the Raiders.

He was good. At age 40, five years after tearing his knee in half as a 35-year-old. The other thing is when Randy Moss broke the record. I feel like they made such a big deal when Randy Moss had the 23 touchdowns in the 2007. you know, like the cults, 20, 25 cults, and seven Patriots. Rating Moss said the 23 touchdowns. He broke Jerry Rice's record. Jerry Rice did that in like 12 games.

And I think it might have been some replacement players, but even that's just kind of funny to think about. Yeah, he did it in 12 games. It's 25 catches. Was it 83? With the year? Yeah. 87.

Was that the strike year? I don't know. Probably. The, yeah, it's 87. That's a little asterisky. But still. I guess he's doing against, like, insurance agents. But regardless.

He was good. Incredible. He was good. Shout of Jerry Rice. Email us other fun facts for your fantasy football at gmail.com. Jerry, right. Yeah, it's, it's amazing. Okay.

Other plays of the day, we hit all those. Oh, the last thing I want to, it's not a play, but just Baker Mayfield, just Buccaneers are 3 and O. And the buck's just coming back. Baker Mayfield just. Unbelievable. He's a walking fucking cliche. He's hurt.

His hands hurt. Mike Evans is hurt. Ibuka's hurt. Everyone in the bucks is hurt and they're 3 and O and it's awesome. So they're the grittiest team. He makes some of the most incredible two-yard scrambles

I've ever seen in my life. The fact that he didn't get sacked for an eight-yard loss and turns it into a two-yard scramble. He has some of the best two-yard scrabbles. The impossible to hate. Unless you like, I guess, went to Kansas. I think Baker is impossible to hate. Worst play of the day, got to say.

Terraud Taylor, throwing a pick six at the and a half time. Sad. There was some bad pick sixes. Cam Ward's pick six was really bad. Third play of the game. Bad.

That was like from the 10-yard. Brian Kallon elected to receive instead of defer and then Kim Ward threw a pick-six and the third play the game. Michael Pennix's pick-six was horrific. Bad. That was the one I was thinking of, actually. All the Patriots play.

Patriots four fumbles. There was some bad plays. There's some ugly football. Bo Nix missed Marvin. Bo Nix mislike. He hit one. one deep touchdown, kind of missed two other ones on a flea flicker, which they probably should have won.

And then, yeah, Jordan Loves' pick with three minutes left, and then they lost to the Browns. Rodgers had a bad place. Yeah, yeah. A lot of bad plays. Yeah. All right. Tom Brady, Magic Johnson tweets.

Craig, any Tom Brady lines or any announcer lines that caught you today? No, actually, the announcer that annoyed me today was Kevin Harlan, who did the Broncos game. I don't like Kevin Harlan doing football. It doesn't feel right. He should be doing basketball. Kevin Harlan is basketball to me. I think he is.

I think he's good. I think he's great. No, but he, Dicker, Cameron Dicker was about to kick. And I've, I've never heard more of an attempt to jinx a kicker than Kevin Harlan. Kevin Harlan said,

Cameron Dicker, the most accurate kicker in the history of the league for the number of kicks he's attempted is about to kick. And I was like, shut up, Kevin Harlan. Don't say that. Craig, there was one moment when Tom Brady did a forced gump line.

Life is like a box of chocolates. I don't know if you caught this, but we had people requesting on Twitter that you do it. Maybe we'll try and find it. I'll do it tomorrow. Yeah, we'll try and find it. But it was like not a very good thing. I had to look up.

Brady was like, because there was the video of George Pickens just taking his helmet and just like, like kettleball, like just slay. damning it on the ground, like over and over again. And Brady was like, yeah, that helmet, you know, it's kind of like going home and, you know, the kick of the family dog. I was like, what? And I was like, and I was like, that's odd.

I guess it's a saying. I guess like, a lot of people that reply is like, yeah, my. A lot of people are like, that's weird. And people are like, oh, my baseball coach said, I guess that is a saying. Regardless, it was bizarre. I have George Pickens just like break your heart is to break a helmet. He's like shattering this fucking helmet on the side. that are trying to.

And then Brady is just like, yep, just like going home to the dog. Yeah. You know, because I'm watching so many games at once and I'm switching around the audio, I often don't get a lot of the, I need to just one day, just lock in and only listen to him. He hasn't had a good game yet. Like the Bears Cowboys, like, I feel like a lot of those games. I don't know.

The one thing I caught on Brady this week was, I think it was the play when Caleb Williams hit DJ Moore in the back of the end zone. I believe it was on a fourth down. now I'm trying to remember the context I believe that was the play. Anyway, Brady was like railing against them going for it on fourth down because it was still He hates the fourth down.

The game was within like 10 points or something like that. They're winning by 10 lane in the game. And Brady's like, this is, I'm old school. Just take the points like whatever. And then they scored a touchdown. He's like, and then he did the classic thing. Just like I said, you got to go for it here in this situation. It's like, okay.

Yeah, Brady. But he was fine. He hasn't done. done anything egregious this year. There was such a forced joke after it was the NBC halftime. And you know, it's Jason Garrett and

I forget the other two guys. Jason Garrett who's like a Westworld. Yeah. Jason Garrett's like a Westworld robot. They had like the most prepared joke where they cut to the Jordan Davis highlight. And and it cuts back to Jason Garrett and he goes,

Jordan Davis is 330 pounds. That's like, that's like a hundred pounds more than Derek Henry out there. And everyone was like, oh, and then it was just like the most awkward prepared joke. I was like that.

I don't like that. Didn't like that at all. I think Jason Garrett's the most unnatural person I've ever seen on TV who's smiling all the time. Think about how much he's making. You know what I don't like? I actually,

I hate him so much. I hate him. Again, you know what? I know the Giants have been bad a long time. My summary of the Giants is really simple. Whatever's going on with the Giants is this simple. It's Jason Garrett coached Dallas for a decade.

The Giants watched Jason Garrett coach Dallas for a decade. Then the Giants hired Jason Garrett. And whoever made that decision still runs the Giants. That's it. Anyway. I don't like when, I don't like the halftime shows when, I don't like people

standing and doing analysis. Sit down. You know, I want a weird energy. Well, McAfee's behind. the desk. Be behind the desk. I don't want to see you standing. It's awkward. Like, it doesn't look natural. Hold a, hold a cocktail, honestly. It's the only time people stand and talk to each other. Sit on a couch and, and fuck up your posture like you do it right now. Humans rarely just stand in a group and talk to another. You're holding something at a standing table. You have a drink in your hand. I actually have a

take on this. I always give one guy a football because you got to have some, but like the other two are just like standing there. I don't like it. I think there's a reason for that that you feel weird if you don't hold something. I think it's because we actually have not been on two feet long enough to not feel weird about it. Like, I think that deep in our genetics, we still feel a little weird we're not on all fours. Because it's kind of odd. You know what I mean? No, it's kind of bizarre that we haven't been on two feet. We haven't been bipedled long enough. I guess it's a theory. I'm just saying what other reason could there be that there's eight billion people on earth and it seems one of the few things that unite is

is no one really feels comfortable just standing upright with other people. Like you're like, I gotta hold, I gotta do something with my hands. Like, it's like, why? It's so weird. We like, I have to feel awkward.

I'm telling you, like we just feel emails at rigger fancy football atchima.com if you could. This is how I feel, though, like, I totally agree with you where, I noticed this, I think, on Thursday night games, especially too,

where they're about to go to the halftime show and they've got like Richard Sherman, and that whole game. Fitzpatrick. Yeah, like, standing there on the field and like Richard Sherman is doing his dance.

They're like rough housing. It's like, yeah, they insist upon themselves. Terrible. Terrible. I don't like it. I'm like, I keep putting myself in their shoes.

I'm like, if they were telling me to like dance before, like we're going to the commercial, I'm like, this is going to be so awkward. Sit behind a desk. Inside the NBA. They're at a desk.

It's nice. They're relaxed. They can have a drink and they're sitting there and it's comfortable. And you know what else is good about inside the, when Kenny goes into the board,

they all make fun of him with his walk. They're like, oh, standing in front of the camera is awkward. Like, there's a reason why we don't do podcast standing up and you see our whole body. Standing is weird.

This is what's saying. We should do it at all for us. Okay. We should do it. You said that once or twice. Discovery Channel. Good point. All right.

Yeah, that's a good quote card. That's not the first time he said that. I'm just saying, like, you know what I'm saying that we're, I think people feel awkward on two feet. I think we're not used to it yet. When do people start walking? I don't know.

If it's you going, you making it about us millions of years ago? I don't know. I have a lot of questions about it. I have a lot of questions about that. I think it's a great take. I think it's a great take. I don't know if there's any factual

at all, but it's a good take. It's the wildest take he's ever had. Can I give you other? How long? have we been walking? Can I get? He's like, don't go to.

Don't Google it. Should that be a trivia question tomorrow? Or are we just Google it now? One small step for a man. Oh, just Google it. One giant leap. He knows other trivia questions about two feet or standing or whatever. Humans have been walking.

1.8 to 1.5 million years ago. So that sound right? I'm not sure. I'm not going to fact check. So I have another question about this if we want to go and do it. I don't know. That was Gemini. To the walking on two feet thing? Yes.

Put it behind a desk. Jason. Get a desk. Ben Lindbergh, an extremely, like, brilliant person here at the ringer. It was a really, I don't know, just really good. One of those people is just pretty incredibly smart at a bunch of things. Wrote a really great piece during COVID, like early when there was like toilet paper shortages. And he wrote about having a bidet.

And he had this throwaway line in this story that I thought about, that I think about all the time. which is just that basically the fact that during COVID, which is a pretty good test case for this, everyone immediately just bought toilet paper suggests, it's like data that suggests perhaps what we think of as the bottom

of Maslow's hierarchy of needs of like food shelter water. Wiping your ass. And he's like, Ben Limber is like, we kind of can prove it's a fourth thing that people, like, what are your first four thoughts are food shelter water? What am I going to wipe my ass with?

Like that's like clearly the foundational thought to which I think I just couldn't get that out of my mind. And then I'm like, okay, but when did we start wiping our asses? Like when did that? How long have we been doing that? Like have we been doing that for like two million years? No. I would say, I would say, no. Is that related to standing up?

And if so, how long after we started was there a gap? You know what I'm saying? Why would it be related to us standing up? Because other animals, other animals don't do it the way we do it. I assume we lead the world an ass wipe. The logic leap of the reason we wipe our ass is because we're standing up, I don't think makes sense. Aren't we the only two? No, we wipe our ass is because we're the only ones that are self-aware.

And we don't want shitty ass. You ever seen a dog taking a shit? They make eye contact with you. They're self-aware. Dude, I was how to dog pork the other day and this dog just laughed. lapped up this other dog shit and nobody noticed and I was so fucking scarred. I was fucked up by it.

That's honestly the worst thing in the world when you watch a dog eating shit. It was a giant shit and no one else saw and this dog just lapped up every individual piece and just kept going. Don't you think humans started wiping our asses is because it smelled terrible when you were out and about with other

people? But that's why I'm saying. Like, when did this start? As soon as one person could communicate to the other, you smell like shit. I'm sure it started at some point in like, you know, 3,000 BC or 5,000 BC or something like that. I feel like it was longer than that.

5,000 BC? That's not that long. No way. It's going to be, I would, God, you're pulling like the Egyptians didn't wipe their ass. No, I would imagine it was a long, long time ago, but maybe I'm wrong.

I feel like it's like, I'm like, maybe it's some way, yeah. Maybe we should do the million, the, the, the millionth anniversary. your ass wiping. Is there anyway, like, do you think there's one person in the world who knows the answer to that? There has to be someone who studied this. Aliens.

Whiping your ass? Yeah, maybe. Aliens. Emails that were your fancy football jimble to come. Anyway, that was a long tangent. Well, there you go.

There's all my thoughts on that. All right. I'm glad I know all that now. Yep. Well, I'm just asking questions here. I'm going to do my own research. Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it.

Just want to shout out Trey Tucker for having three touchdowns. be the newborn receiver on the day by a lot. It's hilarious. All garbage time, most of it. Yeah. New award. Two tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts and Brock Bowers.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Come on. Damn. Sorry. Look, for a team that scored zero points, Kyle Pitts didn't have a terrible day for a zero point offense. I'm really pro-Cowpits now. Two tight ends to outscore Kyle Pitts and Brock Bowers.

Mitchell Evans. Okay. John Fitzpatrick. Yep, I remember that one. Jackson Hawes. Bills. Fitzpatrick is the Packers. Yeah.

Jackson Hawes is the Bills, right. Mitchell Evans. He's on the Panthers. I think they, I think. Haas caught a touchdown. Hyvitz, here's the thing. Most of the time, Hyvitz goes, I was lying, they all scored more.

So that's probably the answer. Is that one of the options we can now select? sure I think it's Mitch 11s because the other two guys scored touchdowns but yeah it's Mitch 11th hell yeah okay regardless Jackson like I'm just saying like John Fitzpatrick had never caught a pass today I'm just saying I'll scored Brock Bowers never caught a pass in his life I hate that hate that all right that's not true I'm wrong he caught a pass also two weeks ago oh good for him I forgot to think of a bird book exactly one catch every one target one

catch each of the last three years until this week. Burn book. I have a couple ideas. Can we list off so week one we did Jalen Waddle and last week we did Mark Andrews? Yes. I would like to nominate a quarterback by the name of C.J. Stroud, who is the quarterback 28 on the year right now, which is exactly where he was last year. He was the quarterback 28 last year. And I think C.J. Stroud was going in the range of like Justin Herbert, Jordan Love, even

Lawrence who has put up more points even though he's been bad. C.J. Stroud was like, in that category of like he could be one of the guys, the pocket passers who pops. And he's been horrific, unstartable. There are guys you could have added off waivers who are better than him. Daniel Jones versus C.J. Stroud is not even a question anymore in fantasy football. Contact. I'm adding guys in dynasty leagues off waivers and starting him over, which is like for the record, that doesn't not have it. Like there's nobody on the fucking waiver wire and super flex. We're in a Dynasty League and Marcus Mariotta was like super rostered when

Jane Daniels got hurt. Like he was already on a team. I'm like starting almost anybody over C.J. Stroud at this time. Like Mac Jones versus C.J. Stroud is not even really a question. I literally did that today, Craig, in a super flex league. That's, it's hard to beat. And guess what? It worked.

The other candidate, Travis Hunter is a candidate. Yep, I have him down. He's unstartable. You can't play him. The other, on that note of unstartable, I mean, Isaiah Pacheco is up there. I mean, Isaiah Pacheco on the season, I believe, I'm doing this math off the dome, and I always get it wrong.

I think he has, no, it's been two weeks. Mark Andrews and Joe Rodel. He has 25 carries for, I believe, 97 yards this season. Yeah, he has a year. He has 12 fantasy points on the year. That's pretty bad because I think the- Travis Hunter has 11. It's easier to say you won't play Stroud going forward

because, but you paid less for Stroud. The difference is, his hunter, even if it's a weird situation, is a rookie receiver, and he still applies the thing we always say about rookie receivers, which is he gets better over the year. In theory, the burn book is unplayable guys. The argument for Pacheco is, you might have taken him in the same range, potentially higher than Hunter, depending on your league. And Pacheco genuinely seems like he hasn't had 50 yards, like he's not getting the carries,

like, jeeps don't want to run the ball. like. Yeah, he's borderline dropable. And it would probably, like, you know somebody's in the burn book, when even if they had a good game next week, like let's say he had 50 yards in a touchdown, you're still probably not playing him the next week. That's what I thought you were going to say was burn book candidate in truth is someone who,

if you cut them, they might not even get a waiver claim. Yeah. Or if someone who does might cut him the next week. And it's like, Travis Hunter, he's getting picked up. For sure. C.J. Stroud is not. No. Pacheco's definitely the highest drafted player you could cut that might not get at it.

I would rather play Kareem Hunt right now. Yeah. That's great. So is it Pacheco? I think we should burn Stroud, but Pacheco's on watch. Oh, I liked Pacheco. I like that argument. He's been, I mean, they're starting running back for the Chiefs is just unplayable.

I feel like I'm having deja vu because I'm pretty sure we talked about Pacheco for the burnbook, but maybe we maybe he didn't win or something. Let's do Pacheco then. Let's do Pacheco. How would you play? if you're one and three in fantasy or you're one and two in fantasy I can't we can't tell you to play Pacheco anymore no I'm sorry for recommending Pacheco by the way

sorry now we put him in the burn book he'll be good yeah start him next week which means Mark Andrews we put him in the burn book last week they're playing tomorrow night there you go yeah okay email us ring your fancy football Gmailcom trivia questions any experts on the history of butts

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Thank you, ARIO Speed. Wagon. Hell yeah. Craig, are you a fan? I am a fan. Only because, like, I knew there two or three famous songs when I was growing up.

Like, my parents had, like, a CD or something. Why am I blanking? When you were growing up, they had a CD, that just sounds crazy to me. Have we had this conversation before?

What? I just, like, my parents had records and, like, tapes. So it's just funny that we are, yeah, we're different ages.

I know. I'm just saying. It's funny. Don't age me. age shaming you because you're younger. CDs are worse than records. Records are cool. Ceds are kind of...

It's so true. The way that you guys, the old, look at their records and have such nostalgia. I'm like a CD. I don't think I'll feel that way about my... Take it or later. You can't have a nostalgic feel.

No, because a record player is like a cool piece of art in your living room. Oh, like a CD player. CD player is just stupid little... Yeah, like that. I also never even kind of understood how CDs worked. I don't understand how finals work at all. Viles are amazing.

Oh, no, I learned it. So we talked with us a couple months ago. I mean, I know how it works. It's like the grooves in the thing and it creates sound vibrations or whatever. Wait, no, no, no. It still makes no sense to me. It makes more sense to me now because someone emails a video of how a record works. I'm not going to pretend to get it, but it made more sense, which the idea.

was basically they take a, I forget the name of the device, but it's like one of them little needles that like can kind of measure sound. Like picture a movie where they're doing the earthquake, whatever, like a sound thing. And they hook up one of those things and they play the song and the thing like moves the fucking needle and it's recording the sound vibrations, literally the vibrations. And then they like take that thing and they make a physical cast based on the needle and they somehow shape it. I still don't really get how. how you do that, but watching a video of it did go from like black magic. I could never understand this to I guess I could see how someone put this together.

I still am sometimes just in complete awe of how many things on your daily life. Like I could never have figured out in like a thousand years that you use every day. But you could figure out how to do Stonehenge. That one, yeah. I still made sense. I forgot about that. We were in New York arguing about that. I still, just to be clear,

he could figure out how to make a stonehead. It was, no, it was, if you gave me 40, it was, it was, how many guys did they get? I don't know, but it was, you, you had the same materials they had, you had the same technological advancements they had. Yeah, and it took them like, how long did it take them?

Oh, it was like, thousands of years or something. But that's mostly dragging the rocks from like Morocco or something. They'd bring them like a thousand miles. Like, that sounds hard. But the idea was if there, we have a pile. And it was like, if you gave me like 30 guys and we have the rest

of our lives. And this is the only thing we have to do. Food. Everything's provided for. Food. Everything. We just got to build Stone Edge. I feel like we could figure that out. I don't know. No? I don't. It's all we got to do. I'd be like, this is really fucking heavy. We should

give up. Yeah, but if it was like... But you dig a ditch and then you knock it over and then like you just, it's easy. Not easy. If you were getting paid, your sole job was to complete Stonehenge. If I have like a, if I'm doing this job and then I got like, you know, I'm trying to like carve out an hour each day.

No, I'm not going to figure out Stonehenge. I had a long argument once with my friends. This is not related at all, but like you got paid to do this was my, was the, made me think of this. If LeBron James spent six months where his entire job, every waking moment, he tried to be an Olympic, javelin thrower. Could he meddle in the Olympics

with six months of training? LeBron at 40 or LeBron at 25? We were making it. This was probably 10 years ago, so let's say LeBron at 30. He is six months and he can hire the best trainers in the world. It's all he does every day. Could he meddle? I kind of think, yeah. I thought so, I thought I was

like, obviously, yeah. The pole Walter guy's incredible. That guy's the best pole Walter ever, and I realize he breaks the world record by a quarter of inch each time or an eighth of inch because you get paid 10 grand every time you break the world record. So he could go like eight more inches, but he's going to just do it in layers of like 24. But the javelin, how are I? The javelin, I feel like LeBron could do that.

Like it's so disrespectful to javelin. Yeah. Or is it disrespectful to LeBron. Yes. It's kind of like when the flag football guy was like, I'm better than Mahomes. And we were like, maybe, but I don't want to watch you in the Olympics. I want to watch Patrick Mahomes. Dek, you don't think LeBron could medal

as a javelin thrower after six months of training. Wow. What do you guys think? In the prime of his life. Why do you think that he's going to be so good at throwing a javelin? Because he's fucking LeBron James. He's the most athletic person ever.

I've seen him throw in-bats. You know who could? Yokic. Yokich would win that. Yokic needs like a week. Like, we've never had this conversation of the show, I don't think. His full court passes are nuts.

watch every Nuggets game, every other Nuggets game I watch, I think to myself, Yokic would probably be a top 20 quarterback. He'd be, yeah. In like two months? He'd be making it rain out here. He's way too slow and big. He'd get destroyed in the pocket. Oh, like what?

Fucking Rogers or Rothesburg? Joe Flackos in his 16th year. Yokic is like 610. Yeah, so it's fine. He doesn't even know it to the plays. He just sees who open throw it. They would have to really like. build the offense around him, but he's, he's too big and slow.

He would get, his knees would be toast. Can you imagine his, his throwing form, just like the way he navigates the pocket? He has, but here's the thing, though. Think about how accurate his full court passes are. You know, much easier it is to throw a fucking football than a basketball? Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I get it. I just, I don't know.

I think Yokic just has the best hand out of coordination. I don't know. It's unbelievable. It's most accurate thrower. Do you think Yolkich and LeBron could build Stonehenge though? But isn't this like... If I get them, I'll do it in like, I don't even need the fucking decades. This is like, give me a week.

This reminds me of like, do you think Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player of all time? If he spent six months training to play baseball, could make it pass double A. Thinking it in 200. Yeah. Like how far did he make it? He loves baseball. Birmingham Barrens.

I don't know. I just think like these sports, when you're the elite athlete and like world class athlete, the technical skill it takes would take more than six months. So what do you guys think the record is for the javelin? I have no idea. I wish I'd say this is a true good question, but I just look at the answer. Wait, what's the question? Can they throw it farther than a football field that feels far?

Current men's javelin world record. I'm going to say 80 yards. I'm going to say 150 yards. Craig, 98 meters. 320 feet. Yeah. Okay. Wow, that's pretty far actually.

Yeah. LeBron could do that in a week. A week. No. I think six months, I think six months he has a real shot. I think what Craig's referring to is like there's a certain primal thing about LeBron. You know the beginning of Troy, the movie, where they just like send.

They're like, let's not do this fight. Like, let's just send one guy out, one guy out. Like, let's just have them do it. I know that like we'd actually send a Navy SEAL, but like watching sports, it's just cosplay for war or whatever. Like I, you feel like you would send LeBron out as your guy.

He's our champion. He's our champion. Like we'll, we'll live and die with it. You know what? I think I want to see LeBron just fucking throw a spear. All right. Yeah,

imagine we pay him every day for six months. It's all he has to do. I don't think we need to pay him. I'm just saying the whole point is that like it's his only goal. Yeah, yeah. do you think that there'd be other sports that he'd be even better at? I mean like in terms of like Handball

The hammer thrower Or what we're not the hammer throw You guys have been so much fun of me for thinking that was the Olympic sport I would try to make the team on You could not make the handball team No shit, it could make any Olympic team You made me have to pick I would probably pick

God No matter what it'll sound incredibly arrogant and ignorant So maybe Because we've always Get out of your choice Yeah, we couldn't make any of them But like if you're Curling?

Is that a reasonable choice? The curling people get mad When you say you can make the curling team Well, yeah, obviously you could Didn't we have this talk about shooting A long time ago? Oh yeah,

Shooting is probably the hardest The guy who just like takes a With a Russian guy with this just hand in his pocket Yeah Yeah, that guy like Turkish or something Yeah Oh, was he not Russian? Turkish.

Yeah. Russia wasn't in the Olympics. Where were they? The Olympic Committee. All right. Yes, of course. Yeah, maybe shooting, curling. Shooting while curling?

They're shooting while skiing. Shooting pool. Is that it called the biathlon? Yeah, well, that was that woman, though, just was, like, really rich and she just, like, gamed her way into getting the Olympics. She really set the... That's the coolest thing. Biathlon is fucking awesome. That's like, can you just,

Revenant cosplay, you know? That's like, so primal. It's like ski through the woods and shoot things. Survive. Survive. We'll come back in four years. Whoever's not dead gets a cold metal. Season four of Squid Game is just going to be the biathlon.

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