The Ringer NFL Show - Week 4 Awards

Episode Date: October 4, 2021

We recap Pats-Bucs as well as the rest of the Week 4 slate by giving out awards, including Winner of the Week, The Panic Button, Weird Flex but OK, The Player You Won’t Acknowledge Is Good, and more. Later we induct the next player into the 2021 Fantasy Burn Book and recap our day of prop bets. Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody? I'm JJ John D. Stramski. And I'm Jason Gough, and if you haven't heard, the ringer has gone local. I'm bringing the fire. I'm bringing the rain from the Big Apple with my show, New York, New York. And I'm repping Shottown with my new show The Full Go on All Things Chicago. We've got episodes three nights a week with all the reaction to the local teams and guests. Plus bonus episodes around all the big games and storylines.

So whether you're uptown, downtown, downtown, in the burbs, or a transplant. Make sure you follow New York, New York, and the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I am here with Danny Kelly and Craig Quirlebeck. Week 4 is done. We're giving out awards for Sunday night. But first, we want you to give us an award because we're millennials and it's a participation

trophy and we're thirsting. Spotify has stars now. You can give us five stars on Spotify. It helps. We'll grovel if we have to. Is it desperate? Is it thirsty? Absolutely.

We're begging. We'll take the five stars. It really does actually help. You can do it on Apple too. if you want. Yes, but it's now possible on Spotify. This is our version of a bikini photo on Instagram. Yeah, it's like just, this is our version of that. Absolutely desperate. Okay, so actually though it does help, please, five stars on Spotify. Thank you. Okay, enough of that. Craig, you were at a wedding this weekend, so you didn't really get to watch the games.

So we're just going to explain to Craig what happened today. Super simple. I can do it in like a sentence. Brady beat Belichick. I watched that game. I watched that game. I did. I got home for the Sunday night. I watched Pucks, uh, Pat's. Bucks Pats. I watched that, but the other games, I was checking stats on Sportacular, my preferred app of choosing. Wow. And yeah, I actually did get to, Sportacular does this one thing where they,

they for some reason, have like some deal with whoever where you can watch one game live on your phone. So it was actually the Steeler game, so I did get to watch the Steeler game in the car ride down from the wedding. That's the only game I watched. He's DMing us about Rafflesberger the whole time. Wow, well, you probably got cars sick if you were, that was the only one you were able to watch.

Okay. There's no way you're going to trick us into talking about, the Steelers first, though. We're talking about Pat's Bucks. We're getting ready to awards. We're just getting into it. Winner. Tom Brady, technically a winner, but like, he also kind of sucked and maybe should have been a loser. I thought what Colin was... He had a lot of overthrows. Sorry, Craig. I mean, didn't mean to interrupt you, but yeah, he looked a little shaky at times, I'd say. Yeah, the first quarter, he was a little shaky. I like the Collinsworth set after the game. It was kind of a draw. Like, I know the Bucks won, but it was kind of a draw

between, like, the Belichick versus Brady narrative. Like, I think the, I think Belichick did a great job schematically. It was kind of a slog of a game, but also a really good game. It felt like a chess match. Mack Jones was really good. It all kind of was just like a really good game. I don't think there was a massive winner or loser here. I mean, I guess the fact that the Pat's hung in there and like easily covered the spread almost on the game, I guess

they were a winner even though they lost. I watched football for long enough that I wish I could know if the torrential downpour that was just going the entire game, I wish I knew how to assign blame because on one hand it was like Brady was off on the other thing. It was pouring. Yeah. And then it's

for Brady's drive and then turned back on for Mac. The literal sky opened up. Yeah, God himself reached down and let Tom Brady, like, go down at score. Let's not push that narrative. Let's just let it be. Oh, well, you don't think that God is rooting for Tom Brady over Delocheck? Yeah, is that even a hot take? It feels like a medium take at best.

That's like room temperature. We've been new that. You're so offended that. It was insinuating God doesn't love Tom Brady. divine intervention. Yeah, the whole thing's a coincidence. What did he do? Like, hard work, please.

Okay. Other person winner here, Matt Jones played incredible. Look great. It was kind of like you look it around, but like, oh, Matt Jones is playing well. And then they flashed that graphic

that was most consecutive completions for a rookie in 30 years. He had 19. That was Brady's record in New England. That is crazy. Do you not think there was a little dinking and dunking going on, or how do we feel about that? He looked like Tom Brady.

I thought Mac was honestly really good. Everybody just is so positive when they talk about Mac Jones, and his demeanor is super relaxed. He's incredibly accurate. He's mobile in the pocket. I think he looks awesome. I think he is by far the best rookie quarterback.

I actually think, D.K., the dinking and dunking was fair earlier, but like this game was not. Like, he kind of was throwing downfield. Let me pull up. I'm curious how far as average pass traveled because like, like, he said the 18th completion was like 18th consecutive completion.

And then I was like, Well, obviously he will throw the next one incomplete because they jinxed it. And then the next one went for like 20 yards down field. I mean, I was pretty impressed where they basically ditched. Yeah. First of all, this is interesting. Average depth of target, like how far down the field they were throwing. Mac Jones, 8.4.

So 15th, dead middle. Tom Brady, 8.3, dead metal. Like, they had basically the exact same in this game. Okay. The one thing I will say about Mac Jones, I was very impressed with, the way he moves around in the pocket, that's the way that's the thing i think that you can compare him to brady on like his subtle pocket movements the way he like can avoid a pass rusher stay in the pocket climb the pocket get rid of a

pass i think that really is it's such a crucial ability and talent and i think that's something that he has um i don't know if he i i don't know if i felt that he was like lighting the world on fire but he was definitely very like poised and in confident the way he's moving about the pocket was impressive so yeah i'll give him that there's a thousand things about this that are interesting, but I actually think if you zoom out, what actually just happened is that in a weird way, the Patriots, the New England's complete inability to run help them because they had negative rushing yards in the first half. And then they basically were like, screw it. Let's just do what Mac Jones did at Alabama. And they started throwing more on first and second down. And they started

being more aggressive. Tampa Bay started kind of did the opposite and they started running more and Tampa Bay was more conservative on first and second down, a lot more runs, which they did have a couple drives where Lenny shoved it like they really just went right up the teeth of defense. But overall, I actually thought the bucks were almost more conservative right until the end when they started taking those deep shots. And then Mac Jones was in some ways almost more aggressive for like large chunks of the game, which is weird. I think Bruce Ariens said that after the game too. he was like, yeah, he was, he was just being really careful, didn't want to turn it over, didn't want to, like, change the game in that sense in terms of, like, creating a turnover and giving the Patriots another big chance to kind of, like, capitalize or whatever, because he, 22, 43 for 269 yards, no touchdowns, no bics. Yeah. Hyve, it's your first quarter, your second quarterback about, like, that's when he breaks the record. I thought it was in play for a second there.

Yeah. When the game started really slow and it was raining, I was like, oh, wow, this actually might hit. How weird is it They What was that? It was a 26-yard catch Then they bumped it to 27 And then they bumped it to 28 They gave him the record

During the commercial He changed We didn't even have the moment It was so easy They stopped the game when he did it Yeah I think the bucks are too good at stopping the run Like they need to ease up on that

Because so then teams run a little bit more And then like teams are just seeing like All right fine We'll just throw it like 40, 50 times a game And it's working because they're secondary so bad I almost think they should be a little bit worse that's stopping their run, so teams like, feel like get tricked into running the ball a little bit more.

It's a real galaxy brain. Everyone made such a big deal, rightfully so, that they brought, the bucks brought like all 22 starters back from the Super Bowl. I mean, they are already down, basically all but one guy from the secondary that played in that game. Richard Sherman started.

They signed him a few days ago. Richard Sherman, besides from everything happened this summer, which was not super funny at all. But today, he was the first guy targeted in coverage. I think Mac Jones when Richard Sherman was the closest

defender so you don't always know it's him but like next gen stats can track where he's on the field Mac Jones was seven for seven to start the game for like 100 yards starting Richard Sherman and plus a deep pass interference

like Sherman got roasted from a lot of this game that's how you know like when a play caller or a quarterback's at like a professional is when they go after the guy like that like the second that Pat's guy got hurt Brady immediately went to his backup the whole game almost basically came

down to that, to be honest, with Jonathan Joseph getting hurt. I don't get why people don't do that more. I'm all about that. I know. I think that's a great idea. It's honestly, it's like the best. That guy comes off the bench. You're like, you are screwed, but. We're just going to fucking go on.

Gordon. D.K., I'm surprised you're a little bit down on Mack Jones. So let me be clear. I'm not down on him. I think he has looked probably like the most impressive rookie. And I think this week, the rookies all took a huge jump in terms of just looking like professional quarterbacks

that actually you can plug into a fantasy lineup and or trust to run your real football team. So I think overall, all the rookie

quarterbacks look good today. And I've said multiple times all year Mac Jones has been the most impressive rookie. I just am not quite

ready to be like he was incredible in that game. But there was so many mitigating circumstances. It was rainy. It was crappy. They had no run

game. So overall, yes, he was impressive. I'll give you guys a loser from this game. Sure.

Please. What? what in the name of God is with the Belichick family when they're untowable? These people are gross. They're disgusting. Bill Belichick. What's his kid's name?

Steve? Steve Belichick. He was like rolling midgame. Like third quarter, he was rolling. His tongue. He was tasting colors. Every which way or every direction. Things I don't even want to describe.

It was really off putting. And then you're like, well, why is he doing that? Well, no wonder where does he get it from? Bill Belichick, every time they come to him and saw that, wiping his, nose picking his teeth with his pencil. And they chose this moment when he's on the screen behind Collinsworth, at our Michaels.

And he's like picking the, it was honestly, every single time. It's just gross. Like the same way Mac Jones had a consecutive completions record, NBC had like nine cuts in a row to a Belichick doing something gross with their face. Belichick was the kid in middle school where you'd ask to borrow his pencil and he'd hand it to you and it was just covered in bite marks. And you're like, I'm good. I'll get it from somebody else.

Oh, man. I could have used a little less Steve Belichick screen time. It's weird to like catch someone. And look, I have some like, you know, rock munis. It's like, you're on national television and you're doing somewhere with your tongue and now 25 million people saw that. But they got them twice. And that.

Like multiple times. Yeah. That's, that means you just do stuff with your tongue. But yeah, really, stop. Please stop throwing. Please stop cutting just Steve. It's so funny. Like for the love, I will do any.

I would pay money. I would pay pay pay per view. Did not, did not see that anymore. All right. Let's get to. Well, any before we get to the rest of the Sunday games, any final thoughts on this like Brady Belichick thing? Oh, okay.

I was going to just say. I think moral victories are overrated. I actually think this is like the definition of a moral victory for the Patriots. You doinked it and you almost beat him. I mean, yeah, Mac Jones did go toe to toe with Brady for the most part for this game. They almost won it. That 56-yarder doinked off the crossbar or the sidebar or whatever. I think overall the game lived up to the hype when you say.

It did. Which is kind of rare. second half really really kind of kicked it up. What was to score 20, 1917? That's like the best single, like, like sub 20 digit game I think I've like ever seen. Yeah, yeah, really good. And then also just again,

if we're talking about process over outcome, like if they made the field goal, we would just be actually absolutely fawning over Mac Jones and the Patriots and Belichick and everything they did. I know it's way too easy to make the comp, but he really does look like Brady, like on the pads. I mean, that was the pre-draft comp

before they took him. Like, it's not a reach. Like, it's like, it's like you probably know someone in your life who breaks up with someone and they start dating like someone very similar

but just younger. Like that's basically what the Patriots did. It's what the Giants did with Eli Man. You know how you grow up and you like emulate your favorite sports star whether like the way that you shoot a basketball the way you swing a bat,

blah blah blah. Like Mac Jones legitimately was just emulating Brady his whole life. And that's like what they throw the same. They like move around the same in the pocket. It's crazy. All right.

Let's get to the rest of Sunday. Okay. DK, other than everything from Buck's Patriots, who's your biggest winner for the day? So first guy that comes to mind, I think he's having, and we didn't really talk about this guy last week too much because he was the Thursday night football game,

but DJ Moore from the Panthers is making, I think, a legit superstar breakout this season so far. He's always been a guy that we just love in terms of his talent, his athletic ability, his yards after the catch ability, blah, blah, blah. Never really scored touchdowns. That was always a big problem. and it really does feel to me

like he's made the jump into that superstar status, especially the receiver position in fantasy. 12 targets, 8 catches 113 yards, two touchdowns today. He had 31 points. He's had 20 plus points in PBR, three straight games now. It just feels like he is dominating

that passing game in terms of who Sam Darnold really trusts the most of his target share so far this year, 30.7%. Robbie Anderson, the closest next one, is 15.7%. So he's doubling up all the other receivers on the Panthers so far in terms of its target share. And I mean, he looks legit. Just the eye test. He looks like a star.

So I don't know, I'm just like looking at DJ Moore. He's only 24 years old. This guy still feels like it's the limit with this guy. That's incredible. He is just, yeah, he's just been very impressive. It's just cool that it worked out. We've been hearing about it for so long. I think, you know, it's almost like Marquis Brown.

Like, it's finally actually is happening. It was this weird fake out last year. where, you know, Joe Brady comes in, he's going to be the O.C. And we're all excited about what DJ Moore can do in this offense. And strangely enough, they seem to, like, make Robbie Anderson the go-to guy in the offense. And basically, Robbie Anderson did what we all thought DJ Moore was going to do. I don't know why that happened. And I don't know why they wised up to it over the off-season.

But now DJ Moore is doing basically what everyone thought he was going to do last year. I loved Robbie Anner. Anderson's offseason. One of the main reasons was, as you said, D.K., people were kind of wishcasting, D.G. Moore, to have Robbie Anderson's role. And then, two, I thought Darnold and the Panthers offense would be way better than people thought.

I think Darnold and the Panthers are better than people thought, but D.G. Moore has absolutely taken that Robbie Anderson rollback. Yeah. Again, also, in the words of Aubrey Graham, the hardest part is patience, like, this dude did have, like, 1,200 receiving yards at 23 years old last year. Yeah. Do you know who Aubrey Graham is, D.

He's a, he's a, He's like a modern age philosopher, but he's kind of done it in like a very, he's like very popular. Like on the TikToks? He's very quotable, yeah, it's like very quotable guy. He goes by on the snap faces. Craig, I really wish you hadn't done that. That would have been so much better if you had not ever said that.

I really, I really never. You only get those kind of chances like very rare. I really never would have known. I never would have looked it up. I never would have like it went over my head so far. You don't even know. I am so furious that Craig just ruined that. It could have had that.

It was miles over my head. miles miles miles okay so back to dj moore no we couldn't have watched him burn yes we can man we don't not me it was just his birthday come on oh yeah happy birthday dk hey we didn't actually address this on the pod happy 27th birthday day yeah yeah yeah let's go with that okay uh my mind just went playing mrs moore's so pending monday night football DJ more wide receiver five on the year that's impressive okay well i i can oh i can oh i can one up that. My winner this week, I can't believe

this is my life, is Cordarell Patterson for the Falcons. So let's just, there's a whole awkward Mike Davis elephant in the room. Here's what we're going to do. Mike Davis, I'm going to put in the bird book. We're going to do Corderoe Patterson first, and then we're just going to get right to Mike Davis. We're going to make it one big conversation, okay?

But give Patterson is due. D.K. just said DJ Moore is the fifth, the top five receiver in the season. Let me tell you guys something. Corderole Patterson right now is the second best running back in fantasy football this year. He is behind Derek Henry and only Derek Henry. It's just insane. Let that sink in.

Now, I want you to keep that in mind when I say this. Corridorall Patterson is the number two running back in fantasy football this year, despite playing on like a third of Atlanta snaps this season. he had today he had five catches for 82 yards three receiving touchdowns he ran 12 routes he caught three touchdowns love it he's that good efficiency king he's like the new alvin camara i'm trying to look at it to see like if this was happening at all last year oh yeah okay so it does happen because no it was not i can tell you why because mike or tristan cockroff pointed out cordill patterson has more points in the last three weeks that he did either of the previous

two seasons. No, I'm not talking about with him. I'm like, I'm like, is this that crazy that like a rando is coming out of nowhere and like being a top five player at his position? Last week after four week, last year after week four, James Robinson was the RB6. And I think everybody was like literally what the, who the hell is James Robinson? So this stuff like this does happen. But man, number two is is pretty wild, especially the fact that he's 30 and James Robinson was like a rookie. So, you know, the fact that Quirte Rale has never been really that good. It's a kick returner. It's a 30-year-old kick return.

Turner. Also, James Robinson was getting like 98% of the snaps for the Jags. Like he's getting, he literally ran 12 routes this week. He had 23 snaps. 23 snaps. Mike Davis had 51. 35 points on 23 snaps. Does they just double him whenever he's in the game because they know he's going to get the ball? We always say volumes king. And it's like you want to be on the field of the snaps and you want to get touches. So like if you're Christian McCaffrey, you get 60 snaps, that's great. If you're lucky, you get 30. He's getting more than a point. He's getting two points of snap. would it be blastmas to say to sell high right now and just get out?

I think you have to. No, it's the reverse. It's right. He's so good they have to play him more, right? Oh, this is how you can talk yourself into holding him. Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. Because, yeah, I don't know.

Is he the greatest player in the NFL? Maybe. This is perfect. I didn't watch that game today. Was he incredible or was it? Dude, he mostic guy. Craig, he moths a guy in the end zone. He went up over him, ripped it down.

It was like, freaking, And Des Bryant in his prime. Yeah, he is that good. It's not like... He is that good. So, I will answer that question to getting to the Mike Davis part. And the reason I'm putting Mike Davis in the burn book,

it's... So Mike Dave, so Mike, well, Coro Patterson had three touchdowns, receiving touchdowns. And he had also six yards or 34 yards. Mike Davis had 15 touches for 26 yards, which is not great. He had a touchdown that completely bailed him out.

And Mike Davis was broken my heart. Because I think what's crazy is that I'm, I'm waving the way flag. I have radicalized a lot of people of Mike Davis, and I apologize, like this is upsetting. But here's what's really upsetting.

Is that I'm wrong in a completely different way that I thought I was putting my neck out there. What I thought, if I was wrong, was be, well, Mike Davis lost the job

because he's a 28-year-old journeyman running back with, like, no track record of this. And so if he loses the job, I'll look stupid. What's crazy is he has the job. He's playing two-thirds of the steps.

He leads the team in rushing. Like, he is the starting running back for the Falcons. The problem is that not only is he not great. The Falcons suck. Like, as Deke pointed out, they're the worst offense by DVOA through three weeks. What's crazy is, I mean, Calvin Ridley hasn't done anything. Cal Pitts isn't doing much. Matt Ryan looks bad.

What's crazy is, if you watch the Falcons, the only way they can get a first down is to give the ball to quarter L. Patters. So this whole, the Mike Davis thing is funny because all offseason, I feel like people were trying to, especially in Dynasty, so like this is a Dynasty tangent sort of, but I have so many Caleb Huntley shares and whoever, J.V. and Hawkins, like I had literally like all my fantasy teams, all my Dynasty teams. I was adding these guys. You're talking about other Atlanta Falcons running back. Yeah, these were the guys that were sitting behind Mike Davis. It's like, oh, they have a real opportunity here, blah, blah, blah. Maybe Mike Davis isn't like the guy.

Maybe they'll end up having, you know, whatever. Maybe he'll get hurt. Corral Patterson's sitting on literally like 90% of waivers all off season. No one talked about it. It's like the detectives curse. Like the solution was just right there under our nose. And we never saw it. How did we never see that?

No, but the foundation of that conversation is that Mike Davis will lose the job that other people will get the snaps and the touches. The crazy thing is Mike Davis isn't the starting running back for the Falcons. He's just the start of running back for one of the worst three running games in the NFL. I'm disappointed in you, Hyfitz. You gave up. He's not dying on the hill. 30-year-old Corderole Patterson got hot for a month and you gave up on Mike Davis.

No, the reason I'm willing to do it is that he's just really just, there just seems like there's five times more ways to get him the ball. And again, like, again, it's kind of like Cooper Cup and Robert Woods, where Robert Woods is not doing anything yet. But as D.K. said, unless Cooper Cup's going to score 45 touchdowns, at some point, it's going to even out, right? And maybe I'm an idiot for abandoning the Hill. But I have now, I have watched a lot of Atlanta over, like, this season. And it's not just my, like, Calvin Ridley isn't doing anything. He just seems like a better version of Juju when Antonio Brown left. And we're like, oh, Juju was a great number two. It's like, Julio Jones has gone. Calvin really ain't doing much. Correro, Patterson is the only guy who's good. It's like they should have him on the field. for every play. Or maybe it's just Arthur Smith gets all his creativity out when Cordill Patterson's on the field and they can't run a regular offense without him. But watching the games, it's not just Mike Davis.

They can't do anything if he's not on the field. I'm going to laugh so hard if Mike Davis just like turns into the, turns into an RV1. You know what? Maybe it requires a blood sacrifice now that I've given up. It's exercising the demons. Anyway. Anyway. So I'm putting Mike Davis in the burn book.

Patterson's my winner. And I am empty. inside. I feel nothing. Just let it out, man. Just flush it. You've been killing it on the prop bets. You know what's funny? I am 11 for 12 on the prop bets. Can I tell you something? All I was thinking about all day is Cordill Patterson. Couldn't give one shit about being 11 for 12 on the prop bets.

Can't believe Mike Davis sucks and Cordell Patterson is incredible. It sucks. It does suck. Anyway, let's move on. Craig, you did not like see these games. So like, do you have thoughts? like instead of like winners, can you just give us like, you're just perusing these box scores. And you're like, how did that happen? Oh, I like this like box score scouting. Right.

Box score scouting. Box scores. Yeah, this is a little new segment. Anytime one of us is gone and you got to just check the stats only, uh, you'll, I'll bring your, bring your questions. And I go to the, the tape grinders, you two. Okay. So as I was driving down from Northern California down here, I was literally just on like the Applic Refreshing games.

Yeah. Oh. You know, Calvin really just. kind of passed. Cool, but I'm not seeing what's going on. And then you check things, you know, you stop, you go get a burger, you're like, oh my God, the Cowboys have 40 points now, who's actually playing well? Okay, here are my questions. I have

four questions for you guys. One, the first one, it seems pretty like specific and esoteric, but I don't know why I'm obsessed to this guy. Is Cadarius, Tony, legit? Is he good, or the giant receivers hurt? I think there's a chance he's good. Like, if you watch him this week, and last week,

honestly, in the limited amount of times he got touches last week. He looked explosive. And I would say the word that I would use the most with him is sudden. I'm very reticent to like go overboard with Tony because I went overboard with Rondale Moore and I regretted it. However, Tony is running routes on like almost all the Giants offensive plays right now, which is great.

Rondell Moore is still like very much a part-time player. And I think in the meantime, so like background, he had six sketches for 78 yards on nine targets this week. 13.9. Shepard and Darius Slate and were both out this week. Yes. So I was going to say in the short term, it feels like Tony is a guy that they're going to incorporate heavily

into their offense, at least until Sterling Shepard comes back. Because Sterling Shepard was playing in the slot primarily. So I don't know how that's going to shake out. But I think until Shepard is back, Tony looks startable to me. And again, going back to the tape, he just looks really sudden.

If you watch him, when he's run around, he's making these, like, ridiculously just like sharp cuts. It's like you ever seen those like flies that fly around that just like fly at right angles and like zigzag like around like pinball. Like this is what Tony looks like when he's just running, you know, after after the catch. He actually reminds me almost of like Kyrie Irving creating a shot. I know Kyrie Irving, you know, maybe isn't exactly playing much these days, but like the way he catches. You know when there's no space somewhere and then there's just boom, like there's separation. It's very rare.

Deonti, maybe Deonti Johnson's in that category. I just like him. I don't know. I just like Carrius Tony. I'm going to add him this week. The roadblock for him is always going to be the coaching because the coaches just were frustrated with this dude. And he kind of rightfully so. But he seems like a classic ad him, but I would not play him yet.

I disagree with D.K. Like I wouldn't, I want to see him produce a little more. But if he actually carves out a role independent of the health of these other guys, that's really interesting. But I would depend on him. He was the 20th overall pick. I definitely, yeah, I'm pumping my brakes a little. little bit on getting too excited about this thing because I tend to go overboard with like rookies that I spent the entire off-season scouting.

It's the dynasty brain, yeah. Yeah, it's the draft brain. It is actually a thing. However, I mean, he just looked really good. And again, the underlying usage is there. He was the first round pick. There's definitely some indicators that some signal that he could be more than just a flash in the pan.

But we'll have to see. I agree with half. It's like probably best to sort of take it slow. Okay. My next question here. So I know the bears won. I was like, oh, okay, the Bears beat the Lions handed Leah. Justin Fields probably had a good day.

And I looked, and his stat line kind of sucked? Is this, what percentage of it is now on field and what percentage of it, what percentage of it is now on nagging? Fuck the stats. Fields was incredible today. I don't care. I watched, I watched a lot of that game. And Justin Fields looked like a different player.

So, I don't care of the stats. Background into some context. Bill Laser. Hypert hates analytics. You heard it here first. Anti-Latics. I am. Justin Fields went 11 for 17 for 209.

yards and a pick. And he ran for nine yards. I believe the pick. The pick was, if it's in my misremembering, I think the pick was either hit at the line or something. I can't remember exactly. Yeah, the pick was not like a pick.

So here's that. He led the scoring drives. Like David Montgomery got hurt, but David Montgomery had two touchdowns in the first quarter. It was because Justin Fields got them to the two yard lining, Montgomery just ran it in. Like Justin Fields looked and then they got up 14 nothing in the first quarter, so they didn't need to throw.

There's no reason. But he was on third down. He was pinpoint. He was incredible and he was deep and they changed the game plan. Like this week, I wish I could pull it up. Bill Laser took over play calling, which is godsend.

I believe his A-DOT today was 13. There was 12. Like, as in his average pass went 12 yards downfield. Like, that's the kind of deep passing that he's good at. Why isn't he running? What's up with that?

No, I think it's just a small sample situation thing. Because he ran a bunch in the preseason. and in his first couple appearances when he was like doing spot work or whatever and I think it's going to come it is a very good question

because he only had let's see here he had three rushes for nine yards but David Montgomery had 23 for 106 and I think if you go back and watch the game my gut is that well they did a lot of zone read and they just were like well Fields won't beat us let David Montgomery beat us

and David Montgomery crush them they ran at the ball let's see here 31 34 times with the running backs So this isn't like a situation like the Eagles where Jalen Hertz is leading the team in rushing. Yeah, they got a 14-0 immediately. Justin Fields was great.

Also, Damien Williams had eight carries for 55 yards after Montgomery got hurt. Okay, well, so let's keep cruising through my questions here because I only have two more, and they both involve Ricky quarterbacks, and then I want to do like one final question at the end. So Zach Wilson had a pretty good game. He had a great second half according to the stats.

They fucking won, screwed up a parlay I had. They beat the Titans. And then Trey Lance, obviously came in, Garoppel hurt his calf. He threw a 76-year touchdown to Debo from what I saw on Twitter. It was a blown coverage and it wasn't some amazing play by Trey Lance. So tell me about Zach's performance

and Trey Lance's performance and how they compared to fields and where you kind of rank them now that they've all, they're all kind of playing. Hyvitz, what would you say? I think Wilson looked really, really good in the second half. I still think you're going to have to deal with the Jets being pretty inconsistent. But it was certainly a big jump for him.

in terms of like his confidence. He made a couple ridiculously nice throws. And a lot of like a lot of the production, which I think is partly good and partly bad, was on broken plays where he was improvising, like his sandlot stuff. And we talked about this with Russell Wilson for like the first five years of his career.

Like, oh, he has to operate in structure. He can't just be a sandlot guy. But Zach Wilson is very natural running around, getting outside the pocket. I think there was two big plays where he did that and made huge passes down the field. Zach Wilson literally looks like he could be in the cast of the sandlot now. I thought I watched Zach Wilson grow up during this game.

Like he just wasn't good at the beginning. And then by the second half, as D.K. said, he was fantastic. I think the Titans pass rough sucks. And you kind of saw today what Zach Wilson might be if he ever had like anything resembling good protection. But he really, really did. Like by the end of the game, I was stunned at the competency from the people wearing the Jets uniforms. it was really surprising. Trey Lance looked bad.

He was shaky. Nine out of 18, 157 yards, two touchdowns. As you said, one of the touchdowns was the Seahawks forgot to guard a guy down the field. The definition of deceiving yards. Because I think they flash a stat that Tray Lance had technically had two touchdowns in his first two throws as a nineer, which could not be more bullshit if they tried. I mean, if you haven't seen the D-Bo touchdown, I mean, broken coverage barely describes honestly he was a bad pass

but I still think bottom line I still think that he might not be my top streamer going forward but he did carry the ball seven times for 41 yards he's got that rushing upside he's he is the Jalen Hertz style pass or quarterback where he's gonna he's gonna run he's gonna take off

when pressure comes and that's gonna lead to that that rushing floor so he wouldn't be my top streamer this week but I definitely think I'd probably still rather start Lance over a guy like Wilson just because of that rushing floor and I think, you know, we've just seen it so many times. Like, the rushing floor is huge.

Yeah, because Jimmy G. The Caff, we don't know how long he'll be out, but it's certainly possible. What about Fields as well? Like, how do you rank all three in terms of, let's say next week, I don't know if they have any buys, but let's say next week they're all playing. How would you rank these three in terms of starting and fantasy? I wouldn't even rank them. I think you can tier them. Fields is in a different tier to me than Lance,

and Lance is in a different tier to me than Wilson. You're saying Fields is in the better tier? I think you could start Fields. I, let me check. I don't remember. exactly their play next week. They got the Raiders on the road. I think Fields is like you can start him. He looked great to me. Wow.

And in a game where they don't get up 14-0 immediately on a bad division rival, and they actually need to play, I think he would do well. And then Lance, I think you can play. I do not think Shanahan trusts him very much to do much. But the rushing is there. Is he what he said after the game?

He did basically say, I believe, I'm paraphrasing, but I believe the quote was basically, uh, it was like a classic debut game and that's why he's a number two quarterback. Yeah. And then Wilson, I just wouldn't.

He looked good like for a real NFL player. I would not play him in fantasy under it, like almost any circumstances for Zach Wilson. Okay. Thank you very much, boys. Now I feel like I watch the games. There you go. Caught up.

Deke, any other losers for you? Yeah, so the Tyson Williams situation with the Ravens is weird to me. He was a healthy scratch this last week. And I'm not going to pretend to say that he was like lighting it up and he looked awesome or anything like that. But to me, he looked clearly like the most explosive slash dynamic running back in this running back group. I agree. I don't know if it was like he, they hate him because he had a couple of messups on pass bro.

That could be the case. NFL teams are weird like that. Like they just don't want to get their quarterback hit. And, you know. Yeah, super weird. Lamar Jackson. Well, I know that. That's not weird.

But I'm just saying like they would sacrifice actual rushing talent to protect their quarterback, which I guess makes sense in the big picture. but like he's a back injury for lamar jackson yeah and so maybe that had something to do with it but regardless the ravens went with levi on bell um latavius murray and devonte freeman at the running back and tyson williams was a healthy scratch and i mean latavus murray i guess looked like the best of the group but i don't know it just to me it's like very weird and i'm wondering if like does this just mean going forward we're dropping tyson williams like he's done like they're not going to play him anymore or do you think this was a situational thing and you just hold on to him and see how it all rolls out

probably one more week you hold and then if he doesn't do it again. Yeah, I think you don't cut him but like, yeah, well, unless you have better options, but my gut is basically, when players inactive like this, you don't know why,

unless it's Kyle Shanahan and you just have like a stack of like 14 weird decisions. You gotta remember, like they know, the Ravens know 99.9 million more times about the situation than we do. And you just never know why. So yeah, we'll give another week.

If he's inactive another week, then obviously he's a drop. But we'll see. The problem is that clearly it doesn't seem like he'll ever get like a sizable, workload. Like that just doesn't ever see me. I mean, even if he is starting, it's like tough to trust. So yeah, he's borderline dropable at this point, if not completely dropable.

But it's a bummer. Well, on that note, it's a panic button time. So we're going to go through people. Are you hitting the panic button? Are you hitting the panic button? Tyson Williams? Yes. Yes. Yeah, I would hit the ban. I'm panicking. I think he's not, he's probably not going to be useful going forward. Okay. Panic button time. All right. Are you hitting the banic button on? Dalvin Cook. He was questioned for this game. No, so it sounds like he tweaked and aggravated what was an ankle injury. And so that was why he didn't play that well. He went out for most of the third quarter, came back in the fourth,

ended up with only 34 yards rushing plus a couple of catches. So when he's healthy, no, I'm not worried about it. But like he just needs to get healthy. So yeah, now I'm not panicking yet. Okay. Are you panicking on Alan Robinson, who despite feels playing well, three catches, 63 yards has not hit double digits yet? Panicking is not the right word.

because I'm bullish, generally speaking, on what this Bears' offense can do with Justin Fields. Justin Fields looked so much better. It was like night and day. Bill Laser, so much better game plan, exactly what we wanted to see from them the last week. So basically, I'm not panicked about Justin Fields anymore. Obviously, he's gonna be up and down.

But in this game, Justin Fields was really looking towards, and I'm blanking on his name, the other receiver in this team. That's Mooney. Darno Mooney. Craig's beloved. It was like his number one guy, and that's kind of bore out in the action that we've seen from Fields this year. So I'm worried.

However, I think Robinson's going to be fine from a, like, floor point of view. I just don't think he's going to be the guy that we thought he was, and he has been over the last few years. You're a little stitious, not superstitious.

I'm not superstitious. I'm a little stitious. Okay. Can I give you a panic button for a guy I'm worried about? DeAndre Hopkins has 225. have yards through four games. That is 56 yards per game. He's averaging six targets a game. He has less yards than AJ Green this year. God. So is this two things he's not getting the target share, but also do we think he, is this also part of it because he's not healthy? Yeah, I know.

He's got the rib thing, but I mean, he, I mean, he, like, part of it. He was, like, taken off the injury report, I think on Friday. Like, um, I don't know. Maybe it's, I think, the ball around too much, but he is like getting significantly less targets than he was last year. I don't know if it's the addition of Ronda Moore, AJ Green, chase like James Connor, I don't know. I don't know what it is, but he is seemingly like

an average guy on your fantasy team now. I think if we're, if I'm, so I should probably revise my Alan Robinson take and say I'm panicked about Alan Robinson and I'm panicked about Hopkins. Just from the sense that you drafts of these guys to be water receiver once, right? And he has one more target

than AJ Green this year. I actually disagree. I think Alan Robinson's a buy low because I think that the person who has Alan Robinson has not had one moment this year where they've been happy they made the pick.

Whereas Hopkins had a good enough week one where people are like probably not going to trade Hopkins. I'm more worried for Hopkins. I actually think Robinson's a bylaw. Hopkins I can, I still would try to trade for Hopkins because I actually think he'll improve,

but I'm less confident in it than I am a, confident Robinson will get better. Because we're at the point now where after two weeks, you know, we did our power ranking of the buy-low guys. Even after three weeks, you can be like, this is a really great time to buy low.

Four weeks, it's like it becomes a pattern and you're like, is this just the way it is. You know, like, when are we going to... It's hard to time the bottom of the market, Craig. Come on. Exactly. So I don't know. I'm certainly worried. It's hard to know when that's going to dip. His last three weeks, he's had

eight points, three points, and three points in fantasy. Yeah, I mean, his target, like, you're not wrong, his target rate has been way, way down compared to last year compared to most of the seasons in his career. And they put up 37 on the Rams. It's like, this is the, me driving back from a wedding looking at the box score and I have DeAndre Hopkins on my team.

I'm like, oh, hell yeah, the Cardinals put up 37. I'm golden. And I check it, I'm like, what the hell? But the bills are doing that with Diggs too. That Dix had 130 yards today, and he's getting way more targets. Diggs has the same targets he was getting last year. Hopkins is not. I didn't see the number, but Ramsey did line up against Hopkins quite a bit in this last game.

They had like a really good battle going. And so that's a piece of context. They have to keep in mind. And then, of course, the other piece of context is, yeah, he's coming off of a ribs injury. Like he wasn't on the report or whatever. It wasn't on the injury report, but... It's not healed. I mean, do your ribs just get better in a few days?

I don't think so. I think Robinson and Hopkins are both bylaws, and I would aggressively pursue them. Okay. Panic button. Hennieme Hines, 11 total yards in a fumble. So if that's half-p-p-rots, 0.1.

Just one game. Yeah, I am. Nick Chubb outscored and outplayed by Cream Hunt two weeks in a row. Panic time? Nah, I think this ebbs and flows. Those two always do stuff like that. I feel like.

Miles Gaskin, I'll hit the panic button from Miles Gaskin. Two carries. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to talk about him. I have a segment called Miles, more like kilometers. Get it?

And is it about Miles Sanders and Miles Gasson? Sanders and Miles Gaskin. Yeah. So Miles Sanders, it's just not looking good for him right now, especially with the team that we have, the current team as it's built with the Eagles, who are probably going to be playing from behind for most of the next month.

So in this last game, Miles Sanders actually had fewer touch opportunities in terms of carries plus targets than Kenneth Gainwell. Kenneth Gainwell had 11. Miles Sanders had 10. Gainwell outscored him 20.9 to 7.7. Sanders has just one double-digit game this season in PBR, which is kind of a bummer. And then just overall, like, there's just not a lot of usage for running backs in this offense with the way that they're playing.

Sanders is going against a negative game script. So in other words, they're playing from behind a lot, which means not that much running. They also have a rushing quarterback who's stealing. Jalen Hertz led the team in rushes this week. And so the Eagles had three running back carries in week three, 10 total in week four. Plus, Kenneth Gainwell is good. This is like a situation where it's just like a nightmare for a guy like Sanders who really kind of needs the volume, I think, to in order to pay off in fantasy. So that's just, I'm worried about it.

I don't think it's going to get much better unless they start winning games and like give him a bunch of touches. And then for Miles Gaskin, I don't know where this came from because his usage was pretty strong last week. In fact, it was like a season high. He was like, he was playing over half the snaps and dominating rushes. this last week, or on Sunday, two carries for three yards. He played just 12 snaps. Malcolm Brown played 35. I don't know where that came from,

but there's no way you can trust Miles Gaskett next week, right? Are you starting either of these guys next week? I don't. With Sanders, it's like tough because you probably have to. If you have a better option, no. You can't start Mouse Gasket, Miles Gaskin. Myles Sanders kind of sucks. Oh, I'm saying Mike Davis has more points this year than Miles Sanders.

Keep that of mind. Getting back on the hill. Go back up that hill. Okay. The other panic button guy I want to hit is just Cidieland real quick. I mean, he had two catches for 13 yards to put that in perspective. Trayvon Diggs, Cowboys cornerback, had two picks, return them for 23 yards. Yeah.

I mean, talk about what Craig just said about hitting the box score. Being like, oh, I'm good. There were four different Cowboys who caught a touchdown today and Cid Lamb was not one of them. Michael Gallup is out. Mark Cooper missed large portions of this game with like, like with injury. He was on the sideline. And Cid Lam still didn't do anything. I feel like it was game plan specific because they went to their tight ends.

a lot, but you cannot be thrilled if you have CD-Land. This was a smash spot, and he didn't work. I'm not heading the panic button, but it's a huge bummer. Yeah, I mean, Jack can only threw it 22 times. CD's still out-targeted Amari Cooper. So it's just, I think, yeah, a shitty game, not time to panic, though. All right.

Deceiving yards, I just want to, I mean, we mentioned the Debo touchdown. I also want to throw out O'Dell, who had a bad game on paper, but, like, Baker Mayfield had one of the more egregious misthrows I've seen all season, where O'Dell just should have. Oh, yeah. I remember this one. They just sailed it. It was like inside.

Yeah, he like missed the wrong shoulder, sailed it over his head or whatever. Yeah. Ugh, anyway. Okay. Craig, Mr. Check the Box Squirrel all day. Any fake box scores you think? Well, the only game I watched was the,

unfortunately, the Pittsburgh Steelers game. And if you just checked that box score, you'd be like, all right, 2717, they lost to Green Bay. Ben, 230 yards, touchdown, a pick. Not bad. Deontai almost 100 yards.

Nine catches, not bad. Nodgy Harris, 90 yards. not bad. No, it was bad. It was really bad. They looked terrible once again. Ben, I think, used up all of his juices, all the drugs that they're giving him right now on that one throw to Deonté Johnson that he caught for a touchdown. And then he couldn't do anything the rest of the game. And then they were once again going back to like little checkdown. Shil Capadia from the Athletic had this tweet. He said three times in the last two weeks, the Steelers have had a fourth and four or more. Their longest pass is, their longest pass on those plays went one yard beyond the line of

scrimmage. All three failed. It's, I don't. I don't get what we're doing. At this point, honestly, this is a Tomlin problem, not a Big Ben problem. I think the whole situation is the Steelers' fault. We're at the point

where Ben's so cooked that it's not Ben's fault for coming back. It was weird because he did start that game with the best deep throw I feel like I've seen from him in two years.

Really since the elbow injury, Week 2, 2019, I feel like it's the best deep throw I've seen since like he got hurt. Well, they did the pulp fiction. They stabbed him with the epinephrine and then he threw that. Yeah, and then it was,

and then, but then it wore off. You know, I think, yeah, the Steelers, it's, I don't know, maybe he has one play a game where he looks all right, but now. Is it Mason Rudolph time? It's, and it's, it's time to take Ben's, let's get Jacoby Myers on the Steelers. Hell yeah. That throw looked great. All right.

Deceiving yards. Okay. Players you wish you had, D.K., who's the player you wish you had in your team? So I'm bummed out that I don't have more Devo Samuel from the 49ers. This dude is just going off this season. He has two 30-plus games in. PPR already out of four. I really didn't see this coming because

like most of the summer I was just thinking, oh yeah, Brandon Ayuk on the trajectory to be the number one in this offense. There's still George Kittle who is the de facto number one in the sense like he's, you know, like Jimmy G's favorite target. Debo's going to have to contend with these other guys. He's going to be like

all around the line of scrimmage. Like it's not really the high value touches that you're wanting. Basically what we've seen from like Leviska Schnault for instance this season. I was afraid that Debo was going to get kind of like put into that box and painted into that corner. No, the guy's all over the place. Now, granted, he did have the benefit of catching a 70-something-yard touchdown that was

just where the defense, like, the defense literally just, like, let him go down. Whatever. And it happened to Cooper Cup week one. We forgot about that. Yeah. I mean, it's still stats. And so, but like, the other thing is, like, it's not just a one-off thing. He's been dominating.

He's been really good. He'll sort of 189 yards on a touchdown this week, 93 yards the week before, 52 yards a week before, 156 yards and two scores in week one. sorry, I got that mixed up. He had 189 yards week one. So, like, he's just number one. He's their number one receiver. He's, like, their best receiver.

He's led their team in targets every game this year. Yeah, so he's just going off. So, yeah, I just kind of wish I had more Devo Samo because he was definitely, like, people were very much enamored, and I was one of them with I You Can Kittle and not Debo. You guys selling high, though? A little sell high potential on Debo here?

First of all, he's, like, top five hamstring pole player in the league. I think that's the whole reason that we were out on him in the beginning, and I think that was unfair. I think if you can get top five value for him, sure, because the Niners are a little unpredictable. I think if you can get top 15 value for him, you should probably still do it. Yes, you can trade Depot.

I think that's totally sure. If it's Debo for Cid Lam right now, I'd do it. Really? Oh, I like that. Spicy. I think it's probably correct. Really? Oh, yeah.

I mean, it's not that spicy, but it's aggressive because, like, man, CD's been pretty bad last two weeks. Well, speaking, I mean, Debo, Domini, obviously, Tyree killed, nominated today, 186 yards through touchdowns. I mean, Tyra Kill is obviously incredible. But the guy I wish I had

on my team, it's Derek Henry. I mean... Every year, baby. Chris McCaffrey's out. Dalvin Cook is hurt and in and hurt again. Camara doesn't have a rushing touchdown this year. And then Derek fucking Higranry has 33 carries for 157 yards. And I just feel like a moron. Hi Fitz, remember we were talking about the Derek Henry props?

And we both looked at them on our own. And it was like 24 carries is the over under. 110 yards is the over under. And I was like, What if I just said fucking did it? Of course, he smashes him. I need to stop betting against Eric. I need to start betting on him at every possible turn.

We should bet on him every week until he doesn't win. I think that's probably, we're going to start doing that immediately. Okay, let's do that. Craig, any one you wish you had? Yeah, is it bad? I already kind of want to say Sequin Barkley? Dude, yeah, Sequin. The by-low window is closing, Greg.

He's gone from three points, week one, seven points, week two, to 18 last week, 27 this week in fantasy and he looks awesome. I mean it's super cool and paid off for people. He's healthy now. I hope he stays healthy. Yeah, he looks great. I mean, yeah, I agree. I obviously was not did not think he would start the season well, but he already looks.

I'm in on the Giants. Cadarish Tony Sequin. So on that note, the Brandon Cook's Award for the player I don't want to acknowledge as good of fantasy is Daniel Jones. Dimes. So I described this to DK earlier, Craig. I have imagine like, you know the little like, election needle, you know, the little... Yeah. My needle on Daniel Jones has not

really moved in like a year. It moved today. Like, what I think about Daniel Jones... It didn't change, but it's like, it moved. Like, it changed. I saw... Daniel Jones played so well. He set a career high in passing yards against the Saints. He did that like before overtime. He didn't need

the fifth quarter to do it. So yardage wise best game he's ever had. Took zero sacks. Played well. But the number that's most important to me. He had, so the Giants, it was seven minutes left in the game. Giants were down 11 points. From that point forward, Giants, game on the line, Daniel Jones next three drives goes 11 of 15 for 165 yards in his touchdown wins the game. He looked good. It looks incredible. But like, what's up? Let's actually talk here. We're friends. It's, it's, I'm not ready to be like,

this is the future and like, you should bet on Daniel Jones. The thing to remember is that the Giants have the hardest remaining schedule left in the NFL. I mean, their schedule is out of control. Let me pull it up because it's kind of comical. It's basically like just a list of good teams. What would it take if it's for you to be like he is the guy of the future?

More of this. The Saints have the longest active winning streak in the NFL. Regular season, they had 15 games. I mean, he drove down and, like, beat a good team. But if, but like, are we saying like, does he need like four or five more weeks of this? Then you're like, I'm in. But I don't want anybody else.

What I would say is that what I saw today was more decision-making, really awareness of what was happening around him. As you guys know, I've always felt like he's a deer in the headlights. Like when the pass rush comes, he just, like, I've worried about him crossing the street before because I'm like, does he look both ways? Does he see tracts coming? Maybe he can't register. Like, I want to see more of that. Like, can you keep his eyes downfield and not get crushed and not get stripsacked? Led the league in fumbles in two years. I mean, that's not like a quirk. That's a product of not knowing what's happening around you, like, at all. And again, the Giants next cowboys, Rams, Panthers, Chiefs, Raiders,

buccaneers. Like, let's see how he does in that stretch. That's, that's, like, really tough. But I was encouraged today. I didn't change my mind, but I, I, I'm, my, my mind opened today. That's all. I'm just happy to see him throwing touchdowns. The man just doesn't, he just hasn't thrown many touchdowns of late. Uh, going back to the, going back to the, going back to the start of last season. He threw 11 touchdowns last year. He played like the whole year. I mean, two touchdowns in a game.

Actually, I meant to look this up. I'm all for it. I really was wondering if this was the first time he had more touchdowns than turnovers in one game. I think he did it in like his debut and I don't know if he's done it since. I think he's done it against the, if I'm guessing, based on just watching him for his whole career, I bet he's

getting, I think he's done it against the Buccaneers twice and against nobody else until today is my guess. No, no. know, I'm looking. He's done it before. Has he? I'm from passing touchdowns. Because he's played so well against the bucket ears in his career. Yeah, like his rookie year, like D.K. said, he did it a handful of times. Okay. All right, whatever.

Okay. And now that my rant is over. Craig, player, you don't want to acknowledge is good. That's good. It's A.J. fucking Green. Dude, yeah. A.J. Green leads the Cardinals in receiving yards, folks. He's one off from the. lead in targets. Each week, he's increases fantasy points. Three, 11, 13, 15. What's up?

It's funny that Julio Jones and AJ Green were like the best receiving prospects in a long time in the same draft, and they went to two of the least relevant franchises, and everyone forgot about AJ Green. They both switched teams this offseason, and basically no one says one word of an AJ Green, and he's just straight up better than Julio Jones this year. T.K., what's... I think, so it's so funny because, like, it's so hard to know what high to trust during the off season because, you know, there can be incredible hype on a guy in the preseason or in training camp or whatever. And then he literally like gets cut or just doesn't play, blah, blah, blah. A.J. Green was getting like, oh, he looks like he's in his prime again in preseason

type hype. You know what I mean? And I was like, I just, I don't know if I can believe this. I can't believe this. And ultimately, I didn't buy it because I have like zero AJ Green on any of my teams. But yeah, it's hard to admit, but he looks really good. Or at least he looks solid. He definitely doesn't look washed like he did last year. And Kyler seems to trust him, which is huge. And like, I don't know if it's necessarily going to change because it's not like, it's tough because it's not like the Cardinals really scheme or game plan things, like get guys the ball.

It's basically like they all run around. They all run from like the same spot every game. So like maybe this is just going to continue. The second you buy in an AJ Green Day on shop is going to come in. It just runs routes down the right. you got Hopkins running routes down the left we didn't really spend one moment of this offseason actually being like you know DeAndre Hopkins and AJ Green play together right

I feel like we didn't even think about that yeah like those are two very good players well like he's old and washed well he looked terrible last year it was like really bad but I mean credit to him this is a better fit for him clearly and it's working in the aggregate if you're betting against 30 something receivers with like a long history of lower body foot injuries and ankle injuries to like just magically just improve. It's a low list.

Okay. But that's Julio. And everybody was like in on Julio. But Julio was still good and like his top speed was still good. He was still productive and he was healthy. AJ game was like not productive. He was playing. Okay.

D.K., do you have a player that you don't want to acknowledge is good, but they're actually good? Yeah. This one's just really quick. Taylor Heineckee, quarterback for Washington. Yeah. He to me is like the definition of a moxy quarterback. Like you, I guarantee you announcers are going to use the word moxy or like sandline.

Gritty. He's gritty. He's great. Dads love him. Dad's. He's like short. He likes to play out of structure. One of his touchdowns to McLaren was hilarious.

He just chucked it up. Like it was worse than the Jamest touchdown last week where he's like guy draped on him. He just chucked it up like a moon ball into the end zone. Terry McLaren made a play. Basically boxed the guy out and caught the touchdown. And then it pans right to Heinke. He's like on the ground like on his back.

And he just like shakes his fist. Like yes, I did that. I'm like, dude, you fucking chucked that thing. That was a prayer. That was the worst pass I've seen in a really long It was the worst touchdown pass ever. If Daniel Jones did that,

I'd be like classic Daniel Jones. That was stupid. I will say though. Anyway, you know what Heineke is? He reminds me if Julian Edelman had never actually converted to a receiver. Yes, totally. But here's the deal.

Like, in this situation, even if he's not very good, which I mean, I think he's fine, but he's not like good. He's still going to get fantasy points because they're like playing, their defense stinks for whatever. reason this year. I can't explain it, but it's not a good defense. All he does is run and reach for

the pie line and score touchdowns every week and there's no defenses figured this out yet. It's like the defining feature for me of his entire career thus far. He's like one of those point guards on a March Madness team that's like a nine seed and gets hot and they have like this like this like little five 11 point card. Like no one really knows. Let's just yeah. That's actually really, hiking the shorts up. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. It's I know what you mean. But anyways, he's like startable. 27 points this week. 28 freaking points. Certainly. Certainly. streamables we get to buy weeks. Streamables, it's the word. Weird flex, but okay,

people that you could have played a flex this week. I'm just going to toss out real quick, Dossan Knox for the Bill's tight end and Moe Alley Cox, tight end for Colts, both had two touchdowns. I'm just going to shout out, Dawson Knox, 20% rostered is your way off the tight end island. If you are streaming tight ends every week, go get Dossad Knox. The bills throw so much like Dossil Knox is your answer. Get like, well, we'll talk about this one in the waiver show, but yeah. Craig, who's your weird flex, but okay?

This person is zero percent owned. I've never heard of them and I don't know how to say their name. James Prochet. It's Prochay. James Prochet, the wide receiver on the Ravens. He had six targets. He had 74 yards and five catches. It was the second most yards in the Ravens offense today.

He's a second year guy out of SMU, six-rounder. I don't know who that is. But he kept catching balls in the second half and I was pissed because it wasn't Marquis Brown. Yeah. It is proche. I thought Marquis Brown got hurt. I was like, oh, somebody got hurt and this guy's in. They didn't. He's his end.

The Ravens are just as infuriating as the Niners in their own way. At least they're more consistently disappointing, so there's not like the same upside. D.K., who's your weird flex, but okay? John Ross, baby. Back from the dead. I had to bring it up high fits. You knew I had to. Three catches, 77 yards, a touchdown.

It was a weird touchdown. No play can be normal with John Ross. Let's be honest. He kind of, it's like he was falling into the end zone and he fumbled as he fell into his back. I can't remember if they called it a touchdown. or if he, but then he'd like ran back into the end zone and recovered it. Do you remember, High Fitz, did they call it a touchdown or did they have him recover it? Regardless, he scored a touchdown on a deep pad.

It was a bizarre, bizarre play. Anyway, I completely forgotten about Ross. I thought that I didn't remember that he was in league barely, but, you know, he came off the IR this week. I don't think this is going to be a regular thing, probably. Because I think at some point you're going to have Sterling Shepard back, you're going to have Darius Slayton, who will probably play what. Ross is playing. And then of course, here's Tony.

Ascension time. Maybe this is a viewing theory for the Giants, man. I hate John Ross. And I don't really hate John Ross. I hate all the people in my life who have been telling me about John Ross. You hate me? That's rude. It's like me and Ted Lassow. I don't hate Ted Lassau. I hate all the people who like Ted Lasson. Well, I don't actually. Ben

Glickspin is a wonderful person, but I just really get irrationally angry when I hear about John Ross. Let me tell you about my emotional journey today, guys. John Ross scored a touchdown for my team. For the Giants. Mike Davis

sucks and Corderle Patterson is basically on a per snap basis the best player in the history of fantasy football. That all happened today. It was a really a big, and Daniel Jones might be good. Like I had a, you know what? I had a

very emotional 1 o'clock p.m. period, guys. It was like really a crazy day. That's all. You're going to be fine. fine hyphids you're going to be fine i hope so i just it's a lot it there's a lot going on a lot of like a lot of my really deeply held opinions have been uprooted today with that said i'm going to to toot my own horn went three for three on props again i'm 11 for 12 in the season i have an

incredibly um if you think that makes me sound smart let me tell you something i'm an idiot because i have yet to actually parlay my own props together while people are emailing you telling me they've been hundreds of dollars parlaying my props i have yet to to do it. So I, if I had done it, would be up 1100% in the season. But I'm not because I haven't parlayed my props. Well, let me tell you something, Mr. Hyphitz. Your luck is about to run out because next week, I will parlay your three props and I will for sure lose. Stay away from me. Oh my God. Okay. I didn't do as well. Congrats. If you've been parlaying my props, you've made more money on my bets than I have. So there

you go. I went one for three. Hey, my special hit, though. My Bucks Chiefs T's hit. I actually made that bet. I didn't tell you this. I actually made that bet on my own. It was nice. It was good. Okay. All right.

That's all we got. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Mike, for producing this episode. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you, men at work. Oh.

Down under? I don't know why I thought of that. 500 kilometers. SNL just started. The first episode was yesterday on the new season. I didn't watch it. I would give my SNL takes, but I think that Bill Simmons would fire me

if I said what I think about SNL. I think it's common. I think how you think is how most people think. It's just like, a very revealing thing for me of the SNL was I watched an episode of Sinell with my, my aunt and uncle who were in their 60s, and I was staying over their house for a weekend.

This is like years ago, but I was staying over their house for a weekend. And so Saturday night, we'd have fun. We just watched the Sinell. And so I guess I was 23 or 4 at the time, and they were in their 60s. And they're making jokes on Weekend Update about things that happened on Twitter. And they just didn't get it at all.

And I'm sitting there and I don't think it's funny. And I'm like, who is this for? Like fundamentally, the people who will sit down for 90 minutes and watch television for 90 minutes don't have anything in common with the people making this content. I agree. I like SNL still. I've always loved it since I was a kid. I wanted to be on it when I was a kid.

I still like what it represents. I like the feeling that it gives you when you watch it. It still feels somehow it's like the center of it's important. It's New York. It's live. It's cool, right? But I agree. I mean, it's taking a massive drop.

Do you watch it for 90 minutes or do you just watch the kids skits? Who watches the show for 90 minutes? I tried to be a traditionalist and I would like the next day, try to like watch the whole thing through on Hulu because that's where they put it up. But now I pretty much just watch Weekend Update the opening, opening monologue and maybe a sketch. I think it's just too hard to make that much content.

Like you have too much competition. Like, like I wish that those same group of very smart, funny people made 30 minutes a week. Real quick, before we go, high fits, I just wanted to let you know

because I'm sure music nerds are going to get mad at you. But that song you were singing, I would walk 500 miles. That's not men at work. Oh, my God. Really? That's the Proclaimers.

Oh, my. Why did I confuse them with men at work? Because they're, uh, I'm thinking, you're thinking down under. You're living in a land down under. Oh my God.

I'm an idiot. They also sing, who can it be now? That's so embarrassing. Who can it be now? Oh, my God. I think that's their song. Wow. Thank you for correcting that.

We're not very good at this music stuff. We're just like screaming at me for like the last few minutes. If they're still here listening. Hivewitz, you need to get to work. You need to be a man at work and listen to us some more of their music. Okay, I'll do it during all the time. I'd penciled and watch this and I'll have to just take it off my camera. All right.

Thank you, everyone.