The Ringer NFL Show - Week 4 Matchups, Dolphins-Bills, Ravens Panic, Broncos Zag, and Kamara’s Return

Episode Date: September 29, 2023

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Hey, this is Danny Hyfitz. Before we start the show today, just want to let you know. We thought the show will be shorter today because D.K.'s not here. But, you know, we finished up. It's like, shows like a little under an hour. And then Craig and I had such a long argument afterward that we decided to keep the entire argument in the show. And you can stick around for it if you want. But we need you to vote in a poll because we want someone to settle this argument.

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Please stick around. All right, let's get to the show. Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dana Hydefitt today. I'm joined by Craig Holbeck, and that's it. D.K. is still on vacation because he was too afraid to face me because the Giants are going to wreck the Seahawks. I'm going to have football. It's a coward. So we'll see

if he ever comes back. It is our week four preview. If you're wondering who to start, who to sit in your lineups. We have our weekly start, sit rankings at Fantasyfootball.com. Craig, what's that URL again? Ooh, fantasy football. Dot the ringer.com. I'm locked in.

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You can also football questions. We're going to go through start, sets, matchups. General vibes entering week four. It's only one place to start, Craig. It's game of the year. Chicago Bears at the Denver Broncos. That's right. The loser leaves town.

The loser fires their coach. The loser regrets giving their quarterback $250 million and paying $90 more million for their coach. I don't know. Which is it? Definitely all those. I'm kidding that. We're not starting with that.

Game of the year. Miami Dolphins at the Buffalo Bills. Undefeated Miami Dolphins at the 2-1 Buffalo Bills. Dolphins are the greatest show on surf. Great name. Incredible, Nick. name. It's like one of the best in a long time. I don't think that's a thing yet. We should make it a

thing. Someone just tweeted that at us. And I kind of like some random person. Oh, really? Oh, I thought that was like already a thing out there in the zeitgeist. It's not. I think it will be in like a week because it's such a good name. Well, let's, let's take ownership of that then. That's ours now. Like, just like Bobby Trees. Yeah, Bobby Trees. Yeah, we invented that. No one else could have possibly come up with Robert Woods being Bobby Trees. No. All right. Greatest Show and Surf. Miami's looking to go 4-0 for the first time since 1995, which is the year that I was born. Wow, 94 for me, but pretty close. Flex.

Miami, most points since 1966, most yards ever in a game last week. Again, Miami took down the record held by Vitamin Smith, L.A. Rams. So respect Vitamin Smith. The winner of this game will be the first place in the AFC East. And one, I just think it's funny that the Dolphin scored 10 touchdowns this week in our underdogs. You don't see that every day. Yeah, they are three and a half point underdogs. Let me double check that on Fandle right now.

But three point underdogs, Miami. So they're getting three points. Kind of nuts. This is a real like, what are you up to, Vegas? I guess this is just, I mean, everybody and their sister is going to be bet in Miami, right? They're like, are you kidding me? Miami, 70 points, 3 and 0 getting three points playing the bills who lost to the Jets. And the bills are probably going to win by like 10.

The bill is quietly right now giving up the second least points per game. They're only allowing 11 points per game. Granted, they haven't really played anybody, but this is exactly, we were talking about the Cardinals beating the Cowboys last week, right, when D.K. was with us. And we were like, everybody,

like that was a game where everybody, not a single person in the country would have selected the Cardinals to beat the Cowboys. This is the game where you predict the Dolphins letdown. This is where you say, do you don't need to start Devon A. Chain?

He's going to have seven carries for 38 yards. Like, this is the quintessential letdown game. It's going to happen. the bills are going to win. The fact that if you think that, that you still have to lay a field goal is crazy, though. I know. It's just, that's just insane.

So, because I wish D.K. was here for this. Because honestly, we should give the Dolphins in this game the award for just the Eleanor Roosevelt Memorial, hot, nasty, badass speed, what America was founded on award. Like, this is just, Dick is not here, so you have to do it. Just the Dolphins offense. It's the vibrations.

The Molly Shannon. I love when the race cars go by. DK does it better than I do. Yeah, that was kind of like, that was like the longest voice crack I've ever heard. Well, that's called acting. Hi Fits, that's called method acting. Good save.

So I figured it out, though. Honestly, so the dolphins, I rewatched the game, and I figured out what the dolphins are doing. I got it. There are two-hand touch offense. Saying like if you can get two hands on them, you can tackle them, but you can't even do that. I'm saying that if the defense didn't have to tackle them and they could just get them down,

like the backyard style football like two-hand touch rule, the Dolphins still would have scored six touchdowns against the Broncos. I'm not kidding. They had 10 touchdowns. Five or six of the touchdowns, no one got two hands on the guy. Like they were walking in untouched, but not from like a yard, like 30 yards out, 40 yards out, untouched. And I'm like, I actually started wondering, what's like the best football team that would

beat the dolphins if you could just knock guys down two-hand touch? I got to say, don't you think that through all of this, people talk about how Patrick Mahomes is the Steph Curry of football. I'm starting to think Tyree Kill is the Steph Curry of football. Like the way that he stretches, like, what we thought was imaginable on the field, just the way Steph Curry has, like, expanded, like, what was a playable area of the court? What was a shootable area on the court? Like, I feel like Tyree Kill is the MVP of the league.

Lombardi was saying this on Bill's Potty. And I actually totally agree. If Tyree Kill's not on this Dolphins team, and it's Keenan Allen. This is not even remotely the same team. However, if you take Tua, who's the leading MVP candidate right now, and replaced him with, Lombardi was talking about Brock Purdy,

whatever quarterback you want that's like average, CJ Stroud right now, like they might be the exact same team. I'm not sure we're giving Tyree Kill as a player enough credit, which sounds insane, but I don't even know if people consider him the best wide receiver in the league. It's still kind of Justin. Tyree Kill might be the best wide receiver of all time.

No, I hear what you're saying where it's true with the gravity thing because he's just the fastest player in the league. And that sounds hyperbolic, but I actually agree with you. I think he is the best non-quarterback, at least for this season easily. There's this thing where if Tyree Kill, his yards per route run is like, depending on the metric, three and a half, four, five since he joined the dolphins. Yeah. And if he ran as many routes as Justin Jefferson, he'd be on pace for 4,000 receiving yards. And I will say, though, the Warriors thing, to your point, I've been thinking, I've actually. actually been thinking about that.

Because you know, all right, you know when you're driving and like there's a red light coming up, but you can tell it's going to turn green. So you don't stop. You kind of slowed out enough so that when it turns green, you time it right and just blow by the other car in the other lane. Yeah, it's like the fake slide. It's like, what Kenny Pickett did at Pittsburgh where you're like running and he like started the slide and then just actually kept going?

Yeah. I'm glad I'm not the only one that does that. But here's thing. That's the entire Dolphins offense. Like literally the Dolphins offense is when the place. starts when the light turns green at the snap, Tyree Kill's already going. And so it's not just that they're already going at the snap.

It's that it's Tyree Kill. So it's basically what the dolphins have done, like they've only done three things, but one of, they collected the fastest people in the world, right? Like it's Tyree Kill, Jalen Waddle, Rahim Oster. Like everyone saw that stat, I think, where it's like the five fastest ball carriers in the league are like this season are all dolphins.

And then Waddle's not even the list yet. But then the other part is they're all giving them head starts on every freaking play. They're all already, so Tyree kills at 16 miles an hour when the ball snapped, he's at 22 miles an hour a second or two into the play. And so it's like, it's like the car that's going through like when the light turns green is the Lamborghini. It's actually like insane. Yeah. And then not only that, like McDaniels is also having all these players run to like running horizontally, just like completely spreading out the office and

the offense or the defense and creating these like massive gaps in the middle of the field because you have most of it running one way. You have Jalen Wattle. the other way. And then Tyree Kill has like, I don't know, a 20-yard circle in the middle of the field that he can just sit down and catch the ball and then break off for a 70-yard touchdown. It's shocking how easy it looks and it makes me wonder if Mike McDaniel is a genius or if this was just obvious the whole time. You know what I mean? Kind of. 100%. Like the idea that like motion is legal and then someone's like, what if we just did that and had guys run fast before this play is insane. Like it's so funny. It took a lot. It took

100 years because that's what Canadian football is. In Canadian football, you're allowed to do motion running toward the line of scrimmage at the snap. And that's kind of the tradeoff because they only have three downs, not four, but then you can run forward so it's easy to pass. And it's funny that it took 100 years for teams to actually use that as a true advantage. Because it is

kind of like what? Yeah, it's like, so, like I think arena football does it too, right? Where you can have one guy just straight towards the line of scrimmage before they snap it. Yeah, I don't know. What he's doing doesn't feel revolutionary and yet it's revolutionizing is in offenses right now.

No, it is, though. And I want to be clear about this. Like, I do think it's revolutionary. And here's the thing, the bills could crush the dolphins and this could age very poorly. But I actually think that this is possibly like a total sea change.

And I know people who hate the Warriors and are tired of a stomach basketball are probably going to hate this, but I don't care. It really is like the Warriors. And you're not just being a homer. I actually agree with you. Because you know what it does what the dolphins are doing?

Two things. Tyreek, it's the gravity of him moving. And it's like, Steph Curry is also like the best off ball mover of like any great player probably, or at least any. And so the same way that Steph sprinting, like baseline and baseline, like actually stresses the defense, like, the dolphins not only are collecting all these dudes, the fastest guys, and not only are the dolphins, like, moving these guys at the snap.

They're putting him in weird places. Like Rahim Moster had a touchdown where Tyree Kill was lined up at tight end. And then they had another, and the Tyree kills, like, sprinting one way. And then Rahim Moster runs the other. And it's very similar when Steph Curry sprinting to the corner, Clay Thompson's open on the other end. It's like if Tyree kills tight end and they're all figuring out what to do

on the other side of the ball where he most against the ball, what are you supposed to do? It does remind me like the Warriors in 2015 because the dolphins have broken the law of diminishing returns. Like the thing with the Warriors when they emerged was I think 2016,

the Warriors led the league and like they took the most shots in the league, but they also had the highest shooting percentage. Like the Warriors took the most threes, but they also had the, they made threes like at the highest rate. And that's what the dolphins are doing. Yeah.

The philosophy perfectly compliments the personnel. And I think that's what's magical about the dolphins right now. You need both to like truly strike gold and that's what they have. Well, because Tua is getting rid of the ball faster than anyone. But his average depth of target is top five like furthest downfield. So think about that. How are you getting rid of the ball faster than anyone but throwing it deeper? And it's like, because your receivers are further downfield than any receivers have ever been quicker.

Like no receivers one second at the play have never been this far downfield because they're so freaking fast. Can I ask you a fantasy question from this game? I think there is a really interesting Devon A-Chain, Devon A-chan scenario right now. He wants to be referred to as A-chan, by the way, from now on for people who don't know. Not A-Chain, A-chan. I respect Devon A-chan. You should be able to pronounce your name however you want with the caveat of like your Bejan Robinson. If you take like a sponsorship with Dijon mustard, we're going to call you Bijon

because you're trying to rhyme it for money. But other than that, however, A-chan real close. to 8chan. And that's just like, that's a brutal... Cross my mind as well. But my question here is so Devon A. Chan, A. Chan is probably one of the hottest

waiver wire additions in years, right? So let's say you got him. You spent 70 bucks, 80 bucks on him, or you had the best waiver priority, so you got him on your team. Like, this guy just put up 50 points last week, and he is the fifth best running back overall in fantasy, despite essentially playing in one football game this year. Like, how many

guys are you really playing ahead of Devon A chain? Like if he is on your team and you have like James Connor who's been awesome this year like are you really sitting Devon A Chan for James Connor? I don't know if you are. Like I feel like the list of running backs you're actually going to play over this guy who's the most like exciting waiver wire

ad in years is very, very short. Like are you playing Joe Mixon over A chain? I don't know. Well honestly, Joe Mixon's a really good fit because it's like the Bengals are going to the Titans and like the best run day. in the league basically, and then the Bengals

are the worst running offense. The Bengals haven't taken a snap under center to like a running snap under center. They're just doing it all from shotgun. Again, and so it's like,

yeah, also there's the emotional component of you just watch them get 50 points at your bench. And either you're beating yourself up without that or you're like, well, there's nothing you could have done. But if you bench him again

and he goes off again, then you're going to like lose your mind if you lose. It's like impossible to resist. Like, I really think that if you're staring at Devani A chain and like even like you know Travis E.TN. James Cook, Joe Mixin, Derek Henry.

No, ETN you play. All right. Well, all right. Let's just do it now then. James Cook. Yeah. James Cook, I think is second in scriments year. ETS has been really good. Those guys, yes. I will say this is crazy. But if you had to like bet your life, I don't know what a better version of that is. Maybe that's rude to say. But like if you actually had to bet all like whatever you wanted, I'm like, Tivon A. Chain or Derek Henry this week. Would you actually. take Derek Henry? Fantasy's so weird. It's like, like, this guy was a healthy scratch in week one.

Yeah, and stay, yeah, but you just, you know, we're like, it's like, it's like they're like, oh, they were young, crazy kids, like, we didn't know what we were doing, like, make mistakes, you know? Like, like, do, like, go after what your heart tells you. Like, I feel like that is the A chain start this week is like, fuck it. Like, I'm riding the wave. This is fun. This is a movement. Like, they put up 70 points last week. I'm just going to do it. Even if it's irrational, even if it doesn't make sense. sense. Like, I'm doing what my heart tells me to do. I think a lot of people are going to be starting A-Chane irresponsibly this week, and I get it. I'm here to say it's okay.

I agree with you that sometimes you just need a precaution to the wind and trust your gut. I kind of like this, though, of just the, what did Bill used to call it, like, the aliens thing? Like, if aliens descended from Earth? Yeah, he would do like the, like, aliens point the laser beam down at the Earth and you need one person to, like, score. Like, who would you pick? What was the, and who was the guy that did the video? Kai, get on here. Tell us about it. Because Kai loves this video. It's Max Kellerman.

Yeah, it's just one of the greatest YouTube videos of all time. But essentially, it's like, correct me if I'm wrong, Craig, because you are our Warriors resident, resident Warriors fan. It was like right after the game two of the 19 finals. And like, Andre Godaulay just hit a big shot

to seal the game for the Warriors. And like next morning on first take, Max Kellerman and Stephen A were just asked, like, you know, who would you take for a clutch shot? Game on the line, you know, finals, Game two, game seven, whatever. And he was like, fate of the universe.

The Martians have the death beam pointed at Earth. I take Iguala. And like the best part of the video is you hear like, it's in like a live audience. And there's like one guy that's like, whoo. There's nothing else. Because it's like, what an insane take. Of everyone on Golden State, open shot, fate of the universe on the line or the Martians have the death beam pointed at Earth.

You better hit it. I want Igwadala. It's the nadir of like sports media takes, to be honest. It really is. It's like it's such a like, we're running out of things to talk about. I just need to like cause some shit and like, like, ruffle some feathers right now. And then Iguadala later went on the show and they were like, what do you think about that? And he was like, I think you're an idiot.

Yeah, he's like, it's crazy. You got Steph, Clay, Kevin Durant. He's that too bad shows of all time. That's literally like if I was like, all right, you got to pick a Kansas City Chief to throw the game winning touchdown pass. with the world on the line and I was like Cadarius Tony Yeah

It's just like one of those takes I can't even like entertain it It's it's so in name Like it's it's disrespectful to To like sports as a whole We were talking about it the other day I looked it up Apparently he went back to the well

And kind of defended it early 22 Like January 22 He's like you know I still take Igwadala And it's just like you're just digging the grave It's like that's just not a good hot take It's like the most hot insane take with almost

nothing to me. And Iggy's a good player. It's just kind of wild. It went too far. Samad takes you respect despite their hotness. This one was too much. Okay. So wait, let's do the Max Kellerman aliens pointing laser beam at Earth. The beam is pointed at Earth. Let's go this week. The beam is pointed at Earth and you have to get this question right. More fantasy points this weekend. Derek Henry for the Titans or Kyron Williams. This is where we're at. Derek Henry's playing the The Bengals, and Kyron Williams is playing who? The cults.

Kyron. How many people listening do you think right now have heard of Kyron Williams like three weeks ago? This is the quarter life fantasy crisis. We're about to be four weeks into the season, the quarterway mark just about. And like if it's like it, if it's four weeks of your player disappointing,

like it's officially like you're done. Like it's over. If Derek Henry's bad again, like you're just out. You're like, all right. I now, I'm never going back to this again. All right. Wait, what are other, uh, beam pointed, okay, beam pointed earth.

Yeah. Josh Jacobs or Zach Moss. God, shoot me. Raiders are playing the charges. Colts who play in the Rams. Oh, the Rams are not good, man. It gets the run. But you, our rankings, obviously we have Josh Jacobs ranked ahead and we have

Derek Henry raked ahead. Having said that. I'm going to go with Jacobs, though, against the charges, right? The charges are terrible against the run. Although, like, Image you might not even play. Like, who's the quarterback? Is it Brian Hoyer?

Is it? Brian Hoyer hasn't won a game that he played since Barack Obama was president. It is crazy that like Zach Moss, Jerome Ford, you know, Brian Robinson, all of these guys are more reliable now than like these mainstays like Josh Jacobs and Derek Henry. It's a weird turning point. You talked about this before. Like, we're at an inflection point with these legacy running backs who have been around for four or five years like Cameras in that group. Dalvin Cook is like already out of the picture now. Like, this is really like the last gasp of the guys who have been first rounders for the last four or five years.

So that's just running next to receivers. Like, right at DeAndre Hopkins or like Marvin Mims? Like beam pointed at Earth. They're like exact opposites. Hopkins is getting like 15 targets a game and three catches. And Marvin Mims is playing literally seven snaps a game and still is averaging like 70 yards a catch. All right. If you want our real thoughts, please to go to rankings.

Don't necessarily bench DeAndre Jondi Hopkins for Marvin Mims. However, maybe you should. I get it. This is the time to be emotional, you know. Fantasy is an emotional game. Sometimes you can't be analytical, all right? You're thinking with your heart, not your brain. All right. Other games in week four, the half billion dollar bowl. Lamar Jackson and the Ravens versus Deshawn Watson and the Browns. Deshawn Watson is like the biggest real, the real, actually, best contract ever signed by an NFL player. 230 million dollars. It's basically an NBA Supermax contract. Lamar's deals five years 260. Not all guaranteed though. So together, Deshaun and Lamar Jackson are being paid basically half a billion dollars over the next five years. And it's time to figure out whether they're actually good or not. And obviously they're good. But it's time to figure out what the hell is going on with these guys. Yeah, man.

Lamar going up against the Browns is going to be a real test. And look, you're not going to sit down. Lamar's been solid this year. He's the QB7 on the season. So he has been okay. But he hasn't been what we still want Lamar to be. Like he's been okay. He's getting by.

He's running a lot. But he still hasn't looked like 2019 MVP Lamar. and man, the Browns, like, I think we are officially now, if the Browns shut down Lamar, they officially become that you need to sit whoever you have against this team defense. There's usually every couple years,

there's one of those in fantasy, but we are getting to the point now where it doesn't matter who you got, and like the list will be very small of players that you will auto start against the Browns. I want to read a couple of stats about their defense. Three of their 39 possessions, three of 39 possessions of the drives

against the Browns have reached the red zone, or scored. Think about that. 3-9. That's 7%. Opposing offenses are averaging 3 yards per play against the Browns. Three yards per play. It's the fewest since 1999. Three yards of play. That's a fourth down every time. Every set of downs, it means you're getting to fourth down on average. That's actually insane. I also, I will say watching them too.

It's like, you know, I think we blew a lot of smoke up Michael Parsons' his ass for the first couple weeks. And I will say Miles Garrett, I think defensive player of the year, like health obviously coming into it. I think Miles Garrett is going to win defensive player of the year. Like watching that game, I feel like week one with the Browns defense. We're talking about like Miles Garrett and finesse. Right. He did like the Allen Iverson crossover move.

And he kind of like just cut through like the center like knife through butter. Like he buried touch. It was like finesse and speed. This week, the Titans game, Miles Gare was all power. Like he treated like the left tackle looked like a blocking dump. Like a blocking sled. Like he just moved him into Ryan Tannahill. It looked effortless.

And then it also like Derek Henry, not easy to tap. Miles Garrett just tackled. him like a, like a dummy. And I was like, like, it looked like he was doing drills. It was crazy. And then he also was just a drive killer. Like the Titans had five drives in the first half. Miles Garrett ended four of the drives.

I also like that much like the Mike McDaniel motion offense. They're like motioning Miles Garrett now. Like they did against the Titans where they had two Titans following him. Miles Garrett is just like, he's almost like a free safety as a D-Linman where he just like kind of goes wherever he wants and he goes where the offensive linemen aren't. And they just like put him up against the worst linemen where. wherever that lineman is and they just have to deal with it.

Do you remember the, well, you're Steelers. So the two people, I think, honestly, two people in our childhood that are like two, the only people, I feel like everything comes and goes, but the two people that I feel like haven't been recreated yet, Troy Palomalo and Ed Reed both had this like freedom as like safeties.

They just kind of did whatever they wanted on deep. Like, like Paul Amalo's like the all time, like, you know, he jumped over the freaking line to stop a QB sneak, but it just felt like they just had this range to freelance. And I feel like this season, honestly, it's a continuation of what we saw in offense the last couple of years where they were like, well, your best player

is to be in the outside. And they're like actually put Justin Jefferson in the slot or Cooper Cup, Jamar. Like just make it as hard as possible to guard them. Who cares who they are? And now defense is finally like, which honestly, something that's been intuitive to everyone who ever played Madden,

which is why are we automatically lining up this defensive end against their good player? Like, what if we just put them against the worst player, whether it's an edge or not? Like, and now you're seeing, okay, yeah, Michael Parsons, like, just put them over the center if the center sucks. and like putting miles

Garrett over the worst guard and they're just like, I figure it out. Should we call them a free end? You like that? Instead of a D end, a free end? I think that's pretty good.

Oh, wow. Did you just come up with that? I did. We've never really seen that with the defensive lineman, I feel like, and it's honestly what I would do in Madden. Like,

when I would go back and play with like Dwight Freeney, I used to just back up Dwight Freeney. Like, the game would like not really want you to do it. You'd have to like hold the joystick back for a while to get Dwight Freeney off the line. Yes. But then when you did that,

yeah, Yeah, you'd run to the other side, so you'd, like, overwhelm one side of the offensive line. That was the only way to break down Michael Vic, because unless you wanted to do one of them plays where, like, the QB spy. But yeah, Madden O'4, it was like the only team you could play the Falcons with was like the Peyton and Robert Cults, but then you had Dwight Freeny and Robert Mathis, but then you couldn't have Vic scramble to the side you could throw to because he was lefty. So you had to move Freeney and then at least have Michael Vic run to the other side.

That was the only way. Wait, do you think Mike McDaniel is actually good because he grew up playing Tecmo Bowl and Madden? I actually saw the story the other day. Like Mike McDaniel grew up playing TechMball. This is a real story. Katie Nolan's told the story to Dale Levitard. Super random. But anyway, he's childhood friends with Mike McDaniel.

And they play Tecmo Bowl. And do you know who Mike McDaniel always wanted to be? The Falcons who could play with Dion Sanders. And he would move the tech mobile version of that is he would move Deon Sanders all the way back. And then no matter what happened, he could just come forward and pick the ball off, pick six with Dion Sanders. He'd score more on defense than offense. But like, I feel like it's related that Mike McDaniels played video. games and now Tyree Kill's lined up a tight end.

And Tyree Kill doesn't even watch film. He also plays Matt into prepare for games. He does. He doesn't watch film. He just played. Dude, he was like, yeah, Matt, they do a good job. Like the awareness rating. I'm like, okay, cool.

Like this cornerback really smart aware. I got it now. Like, are we like a few years away from like somebody creating like the video game version of like film prep where like coaches are actually just playing like a simulation of a game to figure out what to do? Are we, is that coming? I don't want to get too dark here, but I don't want to get too dark here, but we literally are conducting warfare with kids who are just like playing video games in Kansas and Nevada.

So like, yeah, I think we're already on that. What a time we're in. The future is now. Also, I don't want to gloss over this. Greatest show on surf, I think we can make that a thing. But someone did tweet that at us. I'm sure it's been said. Free end, actually, that's like actually we could call it that.

That's actually a good name. Look, it's not kidding. We know people. Wow. That's what I'm paying to do. I'm going to ask for a race once for done. Okay.

Yeah. So anyway, the Ravens are screwed. Who would you actually play? Lamar, you still have to play unless you have an excellent option. But like you're playing Lamar.

It's probably just Lamar and Andrews. That's probably it. You can play Zayflowers if you want only because they manufacture. Again, PPR is stupid, but like Zayflowers could have nine catches for like 30 yards. So you'll be fine.

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fendal.com. Okay, now we can talk about the Broncos Bears game if you want. I feel like we just had talked to like a nerd and out about like good football. I have a name for this game. This is the this is the stoppable force meets the most movable object game of the week. Who's who? The most stoppable force is the Bears and the most movable object is the Denver defense. What does, what's the physics answer to when those things meet?

I guess the stoppable force is to win, right? I don't know. What is the answer in physics to the original equation of unstoppable force? Neil deGrault Tyson was like, this is actually really easy. It's the unstoppable force because the immovable object is never removed because it hasn't been moved by a force great enough. Oh, it's all semantic. I just kind of nodded. I just kind of nodded.

I just nodded and was like, okay. It's kind of like what you say about like, oh, everyone's made up of atoms. Okay. The Pete Holmes joke. Oh, okay, yeah, we're just all made up of atoms. okay. I'm made up of Adams. This desk is made up of Adams. And yet if I try to put my hand through the desk, it doesn't go through it. That doesn't make any sense. Do you know there's a guy named Lucretius and ancient Greece who like came up with that idea and wrote a notebook like

3,000 years ago. Never thought it was nuts. Never late. Never wrong. Just early. Never wrong. Just early. Speaking of the Broncos here, let up 70 points last week. Favored in this game by three and a half points on the road. All right The first reaction I feel like I had that everyone had Was like how fucking sad is that for the Bears Like the team closes by 50 And you're like watching the tape and you're like

You're the underdogs to the team that just gave up like The worst defense of like the modern era We are I mean we're all kind of like mesmerized by the 70 But so like what Denver lost by 50 I mean the Bears lost by like 42 I think 70 70 I swear to God undersells it

70 undersells it You know why? they scored 10 touchdowns, which I kind of think is mind-blowing. You know what? There was no defense for special teams. Their offense scored five touchdowns in the first half, then they came back out after half-time

and scored another five touchdowns. I think 10 touchdowns is a crazy thing to say out loud. Have you ever said 10 touchdowns? Not unless we're talking about a big 12 game. Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, or something like that. Wait, I want to push back. I'm going to pivot. Once again, if you take away anything from this show,

it's Zieg when everybody else is zagging. Can I push back on Denver's collapse and Denver as a team? Yeah. Okay. So in this game, you had to let up 70 points. They got destroyed. Cortland Sutton fumbled twice, which is honestly pretty weird at wider see.

You don't see a lot of fumbles. They were like both big plays and he fumbled twice. Also, Russ had a really unlucky, like, tipped ball at the line that turned into an interception that gave Miami great field position they scored. The Broncos are eighth. in offensive yards per play right now. They are last in defensive yards to play.

Their defense is a mess. But like, I don't know if the Broncos offense in the Russell Wilson experience is as much of a disaster as everybody says. I want to give you, I'm going to do the Player X, Player Y thing. I'm going to read you one player's stat line and another player's stat line. Player X, 800 passing yards,

seven touchdowns, two picks. 99 pass a rating. They're the QB5 on the year. The next guy, 791 passing yards, 10 less. Six touchdowns, two picks. 99.5 pass rating. Exact same passer rating. QB9 right now.

That's Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson. Russ hasn't been that bad. Yeah, but that you're being disingenuous. Why? Hit me. That's my pushback. Because what Mahomes got those numbers building a lead and then keeping it to win the football game.

And Russell Wilson got all those numbers while they were down and losing to like 35 points to Sam Howells, Washington commanders. One of those is like a Hail Mary. and then this game, it was like, no, no, they were killing the commanders. They blew the lead. They were up, they were up big, and they blew the lead. And it was a close game against the Raiders in week one.

And look, the first half stats for Russell Wilson against Miami, when the game, I mean, it was still a blowout, but it wasn't garbage time. He was good. Okay. No, you're not, you're not Jedi mind-tricking me. Look, obviously they're not as, if you're saying they're not as bad as last week,

yeah, they're not going to lose by 50 points every single game. I think they're going to win this game by like 20. That's my take. They should. That's why they're favorite. But I'll say this. Obviously, like, I think that honestly, that's a mainstream take that the Broncos aren't, like they'll beat the Bears.

I will say this, though. I think obviously it's like the Bears suck and the Broncos will probably beat them. I actually think it's underrated what happens that the Broncos lose this game. Like, it's almost like we're not being talked about enough. It will be worse than the previous week because the Broncos are in the middle of the worst, the Broncos are in the worst stretch of football in the history of the team. They haven't made the playoffs since seven years. Not since they were literally added as an expansion team like 60 years ago.

So it's the worst stretch ever. They trade for Russell Wilson to fix that. Turns out to be one of the worst trades in the history of the NFL. Like they give up two first, two seconds just to give Russell Wilson $160 million. And in exchange, they're a laughing stock. And they hand the Seahawks two top 10 picks just for the Seahawks, Gino Smith's better than him anyway, and they go to the playoffs. They bring in Sean Payton to fix it.

Sean Payton, they have to pay a first and his second round into New Orleans just to pay Sean Payton like $17 million or whatever a year. And then Sean Payton comes in, loses to the division rival Raiders week one, loses blows the lead of the commanders in week two. Week three gives up the worst defensive performance in our parents' lifetimes. Like most yards ever,

we have to go back to Vitamin Smith. And then if they come in in week four, and then if they start 0 and 4 because they lose to the bears, who are on a 13 game losing streak, the bears are coming up on a calendar year since they won a football game. And if they lose this game, it will literally be the rock bottom moment

in the history of the Denver Broncos and actually on the conversation if the Peyton and Russell Wilson together is big trade, three firsts, three second rounders and $250 million to be 0 and 4 the Bears that's actually

like one of the worst thing that's ever happened in any sport. You're not wrong. I don't disagree. There's no excuse if you lose to the Bears. Like the Dolphins, it's like, all right, this is the greatest show on turf part two. What do you say? If you lose to the Justin Field Bears, what can you say?

I'm not saying it's going to happen when I'm sorry if you're a Broncos fan listening this. I guess what I'm saying is I agree that Broncos will win. But like I don't actually think we've thought through what will happen if they lose. Like there's actually a lot of pressure on the Broncos to win. The Bears is like, yeah, you all suck. You're probably getting fired. And honestly, Justin Fields could look terrible this week. And as long as it looks good the next few months, like nothing really changes whether they win or not.

The Broncos, it's a disaster. Oh and four, you're done. Yeah, but what does that mean? They're not going to fire Sean Payton. Russell Wilson could get benched, but like Sean Payton's not going anywhere. Like what are the implications actually? I think the implicate.

I have not bought an ounce of the Russell Wilson being bench stuff. But if they lost this week, Sean Payton will be humiliated, which honestly, as much as all these athletes and pro athletes want to win, that's 1A, 1B just right up there is not being embarrassed. Especially a little shit talking he's done.

He's been kind of, you know, arrogant. Oh my God, yeah. So I'm almost rooting for it to be honest. The one thing I'll say, though, I do think the Broncos, like, if you have them, you should probably play them just because the Bears, I don't know who's playing cornerback for them. Like, I play Cortland Sutton. Honestly, if you have a whistle Wilson, you can. Like, it's bold. But, like, the Bears, they have a terrible pass rush.

All they have is their secondary. I think three of their starting four defensive backs are hurt and then one of the replacements, too. So essentially, they're down four starters. We'll see it's Thursday. We'll see who actually plays. But that's a bad start. Is this game going to make your YouTube TV multi-view screen for games? Is it going to make it for you or no?

So we've talked about how we need a Myers-Briggs for television. I think that if you're one of those people that can't watch the office because it's too cringe, or if you're like, I don't like Nathan for you because it makes me uncomfortable, then you shouldn't watch Bears Broncos. It's the secondhand embarrassment game. Yeah, exactly. It'll be on my screen. Let's just put it that way.

I'll be watching this game. This is must-see TV. All right. Next up here, I would like to give the lambs to the cosmic slaughter reward. You don't watch Rick and Mordy and neither just DKK, but the people, I love Wurty. Maybe we can drop it, Kai, but there's a line of Rick and Morty and Morty, true level. It's not worth explaining. But the point is, there's a point of Morty's just like, lambs to the cosmic slaughter. Everything's crooked. Reality is poison. I want to go back. I hate this.

What's his deal? Shish, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, Morty, Morty, Morty, Moody. Go to school, summer. I'll go in Morty's memory and do a little. Lance to the cosmic slaughter. And I literally was thinking about that line when I was like, wow, Sam Howell's going to play the Eagles this week. The man's on pace to break the sack,

shatter the sack record. I think he's unpaced for over 100 sacks. And shatter all the bones in his body. Yeah, the guy from SpongeBob, the chocolate salesman guy, that is going to be Sam Howell at the end of the season. But look, man, this game, if you can tease the Eagles,

I'm not a big teaser guy because that's just hard to win. I mean, They're fun as hell, but teasers are tough. But man, this year or this week, the Eagles were 8-no last year when they played the commanders and they lost and it snapped their streak. They're not losing to the commanders.

They're not losing to Sam Howell. Sam Howell's going to get sacked ten times. Spreads eight and a half. Tease that down to point in a half. You're golden. This is Sam Howell's fault. Like, it's not like, oh, the offensive one. It's like, Sam Howell needs to get rid of the football.

And here's the thing, Sam Howell has two choices this week. Throw the ball away or die. What do you think Jacoby Percette wants? Do you think Jacoby Percet is like, hey, you know what? Maybe bench him next week. All right. I actually, if you, if, so anyone can answer this question, email me at ringer fancy football at gmail.com.

Why is Jacob Preset not a New York jet? I mean. Like why? He won, he, he was better with the Browns last year than DeShone Watson. I mean, is it as simple as the commanders don't want to trade a really high quality backup quarterback? I mean, if you look across the league, a lot of these high quality backups have already played, Minchew's playing.

James Winston's playing. I actually. High Enneke, he's probably going to play. I actually wonder if it's the other way around, but they're not going to bench Sam Howell. Like, I mean, maybe they want to because like, wow, it's going to get sacked a hundred times that get hurt.

No, I just, I mean, it was in the Washington Post. Like, there was report on the Washington Post that the, Howell is the confidence of the coaching staff. Like, I think Desmond Ritter might get benched by the Falcons,

but I think Washington, they're like, hey, I think the reality is how it's Jacob percent, like 31 or whatever. Yeah, it's 30. He had 31 in December. Happy birthday almost. But like, I think they're basically like,

this is a weird year anyway. like the new owner of Josh Harris is more concerned with like what do we call the team and he's still hiring bankers and lawyers and realistically like no one was overseeing the season and the only thing you come out of it with is let's see if Sam Howells any good. Like there's no point in benching the kid. And so I'm like, why wouldn't you just take a third round pick for Jacoby percent? I don't get it. Just do it.

And I don't know why the Jets don't either. That's probably pretty high. A third round pick for Jacoby percent. I don't know if they get that. I feel like it's a third round pick for Cucson's. You're all in. Oh my God. Screw it.

It's a third. Like you're scoffs. screwed. Like, do it. I don't know. Look, desperate. Like, it's not like the Eagles or who, someone wants to give up a first for Sam Dar or Sam, not San Donald, Sam Bradford, like the day, like a week before the season, when Bridgewater shredded his name. It's a third, whatever. If we, jumping back to fantasy here, Brian Robinson,

a guy who's been awesome this year, top 10 guy, going up against the Eagles, who have been kind of a buzzsaw. Let's say you have Devon A-chain. Are you starting Devon A-Chain or Brian Robinson? Scott Barrett, who does a great job of fantasy points. he's awesome, he's really good at his job, basically eliminated that Brian Robinson is his game dependent as almost anyone. Like when Washington's winning the game,

he's going to play a lot, he's going to get a lot of touches. But when they're losing, Antonio Gibson is there. Now, Antonio Gibson's been fumbling, so maybe they benched, but they can't. So I think Robbins, like, I don't think Washington's going to have the lead very much in this game.

And I think Brian Robinson is not going to play very much. And when Brian Robinson does play, I don't think he'll have any room because the Washington offensive line sucks in the Eagles defensive line rules. And the fact that we allowed the Eagles, to get half of the best college defense ever, the best defense of the decade in college football,

half their defense is Georgia now, and Jordan Davis and freaking Jalen Carter, they're two defenses. He's not going to be able to run. Honestly, if you gave me over under Brian Robinson 40 yards in this game, I'd go under. Yeah, this is why one of my core tenets,

one of my memento tattoos and fantasy football, is I only want running backs on good teams. I hate game script-dependent running backs. It's the worst. And a lot of them are. And so you need to go after teams, running backs on good teams. You have to.

Yeah, the plotter on the team. that sucks is brutal. It's brutal. Damien Pierce is suffering from it right now. Yes. The other guy that I was like lambs to the cosmic slaughter. Zach Wilson versus the Chiefs on Sunday Night Football. To say the truth, I don't even know if it's worth talking about the game itself.

I think Zach Wilson versus like the Chief's defense and when we just saw the Chiefs due to the Bears, he feels like like an old school, like a human sacrifice to Taylor Swift, who's like the queen, descendant. on this game, and he feels like a human going to rip, like, the chiefs, Travis Kelsey will just, like, rip his heart out and, like, burn it on a pencil and offer it, like, to Taylor Swift. It's like

Temple of Doom, where, like, they bring one person in, and they, like, rip out his heart, put him in a cage and, like, lower him into flames. Exactly. Exactly. A giant, like, pagan ceremony. It's either that or Zach Wilson's just the Kevin James meme when he sees Donna Kelsey.

I'm hard. I'm pretty sick of the Swift thing, to be honest. I hate that she's going to be there. We got to revisit this. So we've had days to think about it. I will say, I've noticed a troubling trend. You made a very impassioned case on the Sunday show that the Taylor Swift's Kelsey thing was basically like a PR stunt where, yeah, it's not like robotic, but like it's very like

they're orchestrating. Yeah, a texting relationship that they hung out now into. Yeah, we'll hang out and have like a date watched by. 20 million people and pretend that it's, you know, and we're not going to lie, we're just going to quietly let people believe it's more serious than it is. And in exchange, Kelsey will become an A-List celebrity, and then Taylor Swift can promote herself ahead of her movie that's releasing, you try to make $150 million at the box office. I thought that was a good case. I was a little troubled that the breakdown of people who thought Craig was right was 100%

men, and the breakdown of people who thought Craig was wrong was 100% women. And all that was, like, very illuminating about our society and perhaps her species. Did you put a poll on Instagram or Twitter? What did you do? It was purely the comments on Instagram was the people who were like were mad at you were just women and the people who were like,

oh, obviously great point. We're just dudes and I was like, damn, are we like, are we just pigs? I don't think, I don't think Taylor Swift fans, I don't think they appreciate any type of rhetoric that suggests that she's not a genuine person. Well, yeah, I think the tough part, I don't know, and I'm not going to pretend to be some like,

freaking expert on anything involved here. But I will say, here are my questions for you. The one theory that has cracked me is that apparently, so I guess Ryan Reynolds and Blake lively good friends at Taylor Swift, and there is like a six-boyfriend run. I can't believe we're doing this. I know.

Well, it's, we're talking about the game and breakdowns. Who cares? Zach Wilson's going to die. It's like, all right, we could read his funeral rights. All right, all right. But is that Ryan Reynolds and Blake lively followed Travis Kelsey on Instagram, sorry, they followed like the last four or five

of Taylor's boyfriends like a month before it became a thing. And that was kind of like, it really became like, not the white smoke, but more like, okay, that was the omen, the foreshadowing.

And they did follow Travis Kelsey in like early August on Instagram. And so the theory is actually they have been dating for the month or so. Like it actually, like I kind of thought like the space between when he slid in the DMs and last week, it kind of all came together. the week. And now I'm wondering if they actually have been hanging out in last six weeks or so.

All because Blake lively followed Travis Kelsey on Twitter in August or on Instagram in August. Instagram. Okay, but let me ask you this. When is the last time that theory was proven correct? Because she like briefly dated Maddie Healy from the 1975. Who knows if that was real? And then she has been engaged in a relationship for six years. So what is the last time this Instagram evidence has actually come through? Like are we talking like 2016 is the last time we get evidence of this? Hold on. Let me check the true media. I got to check the EPA per play. Right. Pull that up. Pull that up. Full that up. Snap count. Was she engaged to Joe Alwyn? I don't even

know. God, people are going to murder me. Look, here's what I think. Could they have been chatting, whatever? So you're saying that Blake lively and Ryan Reynolds followed Travis Kelsey on Instagram prior to Travis Kelsey calling her out on his podcast asking to meet her? I don't. Yes, that is the thing. So I think that intrigues me. Why would he publicly say he reached out to Taylor Swift and is waiting to hear back if they were already in a relationship? I don't know, man. I'm not a freaking friends.

I don't know. I'm not a... I'm just saying, man. This game's in New York. It's Sunday Night Football. Her movie comes out October 13th. Yeah. Next week is in Minnesota and they're at Minnesota.

Swift ain't going to Minnesota. I'm sorry. The best question I've heard anyone ask about this was Nate Hubbard, who obviously follows Taylor Swift a lot. Shout up every single album with Nate and North. Nathan and Nora. And Nathan was like, would they be dating if it was March?

I agree. Phenomenal point. No, I actually think Bill asked that question. Oh, was it Bill? Oh, well, there you know. That's why Bill is Bill, because that was a great question.

Like, like, like, the fact that this is just, oh yeah, they're genuinely, totally dating and also she's a movie coming out. I think, no, the people were mad at us

because it was like, she doesn't need the publicity. And my thing with that is like, well, not for her albums, because she's a musician, but like she's put, got a movie. You still need to promote a movie. Look, what she wants,

she's trying to be a four-quadrant movie here. She wants every demographic coming to this movie. And now that she's dating Travis Kelsey, how many boyfriends and husbands and guys out there are going to be now okay, going to see this movie, perhaps? I think that's, that is the best answer, which is, I don't, I think that's the best answer, which is the amount of dads who would have dropped their daughters off,

who will now go see it. and like husbands or partners and maybe we're being extremely gendered and stereotypical about who is a Swift fan and who's a football fan. I mean, I don't think we are based on your Instagram comments. I was going to say it really was 100%. But yeah, you're right that I am more likely to go now

to this movie that I was. That is, damn. All right. I haven't read those comments. I'll have to dive into those. How are they? Are the Swift's kind to me or do they take me down? Yeah.

To which part? They take me down? are they kind? The Swifties were mad that you implied that Taylor Swift needed publicity, to which I think is a little, like, because basically she doesn't promote her albums. I'm like, well, she doesn't need to promote her albums because it exists and everyone freaks out. A movie, like, you want a big opening weekend. Like there's millions, tens, hundreds of things in their albums. She literally scheduled the last SoFi Stadium show on August 9th, 8,9 to release her 1989 re-release. Like, that is, that is branding, folks. That is marketing. That's how I

advertising works. So how Taylor Swift does. Yeah, you're right. The whole thing is this is just how advertising works. Just like the whole experiment. We're like, I'm sure she likes him and they've been chatting and they're like, I'm sure they're perfectly chummy with one another. But like this is also beneficial for both of them. So I'm sure they're not dying to get out of this.

I'm sure they're not running away from this. It helps everybody. You know what I mean? It's a flywheel. Everyone's winning. So why stop it? Exactly. I mean, look, how many people are just like casually hooking up and be like,

are we going around? I don't know, but this is fun. But like, you know what's cooler than casual? sexual sex is like being literally the biggest topic in America. Yeah, I don't think this isn't arranged marriage, but like, look, I think they both kind of understand, they understand how this works. Wow. See what D.K. thinks.

All right, fine. Should we talk about football or is it just like, over now? People think, people think Sophie Turner will be with her, so we'll see. Keep your eyes peeled in the box. Oh, yay, because it's in New York. Yeah, wow. Crazy. All right, yeah, we, yeah.

All right, email's at ring your fantasy football at gmail.com. Too bad D.K. wasn't here. He'd really be tapped in. TK would just be like Who's Sophie Turner? Anyway, okay. Taylor Swift, Kelsey Reuniting and Sunday football. Other like reunions this week.

I'm just run through. Oh, nice. Nice transition. I think that's just kind of weird. Yeah, you know. Remember? Don't you remember back in the day? I used to do that, I used to, when I used to edit the show, I used to do the ding.

Every time you'd make a smooth transition. The real listeners will remember that. Any transition of yours out of that had a ding. You know, this is our 399th show? Is it? Wow. My God. That's a lot.

We probably should have thought of something. Yeah, we should have thought of something for the 400th show and people email us, but I actually don't. Week 4, 400? No, DK. Oh, week 400. Yeah. Week 4 episode. Oh, wow.

That's, week four. We probably should have thought of this ahead of time. DK's 40. And it's our 400th episode. Kind of impressive. Yeah. Email us at ringer fancy football at Gmail.com if you have thoughts on what we should do for the 400th on Sunday. Okay.

Well, we're going to do a top 400th. player ranking for Sunday. Keep an eye out. High Fis will write that. Calvin really's playing against the Falcons, which I think is funny this week. I think that's just like, and then they're in London. Also, it's on Disney Plus for children. They're doing like a toy story thing on Disney Plus because it's the London game. You're not going to watch it's 6.30 in the morning. I'm excited to see like the two-minute breakout clip on Twitter, but that's about it. 6.30 in the morning, I guess that's when kids get up. I don't know. Our dad's going to put that on. I'm not sure. I mean, yeah, they'll put it on and go back to sleep so their kids are entertained.

The exact opposite of the toy story Disney Plus is the UFC Smackdown of Mike Evans and Marshall and Latimore. The Bucks are playing the Saints. Never mind, James is playing against the Bucks. But there are like two good. I feel like we're now in the server of Jersey swaps and players and like, look, respect is good and respect your opponent's good. It's nice. However, I'd be lying if I didn't say there's a bloodthirsty part of me that I really do miss the point where athletes hated each other. It's like they're two receiver cornerback, like things left where they hate each other.

and they're both on the same team. It's Mike Evans and Marshall Natamore and then Michael Thomas and Carlton Davis. And like they are both on this game. And I literally last year in week two, we joked about how Mike Evans and maybe you bunch Mike Evans

because he'll fight. And then literally it happened and Mike Evans was ejected with Marshall Natta for fighting. Yeah, it's one of the greatest traditions in football. There's Twitter fights between Carlton Davis and Michael Thomas. I think you should legitimately consider sitting Mike Evans.

I really do. I know that sounds crazy, but if you look at the numbers, he hasn't had over 65 yards against Marshawn-Ladamore in five years. Like, this is real. Mike Clay at ESPN had a crazy number that basically, basically like Mike Evans versus every other team, the other 30 teams, is basically on part with like DeAndre Hopkins or Keenan Allen.

And then against the Saints, Mike Evans, just in terms of fantasy points per game, not like style or anything, Mike Evans, when Marshall and Latimore shadows him, is basically like Curtis Samuel. or like Devante Parker or Corey Davis. Which, I mean, brings me to Chris Godwin

talking about a quarter life fantasy crisis. Like, if not now, then when for Chris Godwin, you know? Like, this needs to be the game. Yeah, I will say, someone cut Chris Godwin in a league of mine. And I was like, no, really? No, okay, yeah, sure. I mean, he hasn't been that better. I was the only one to put in a claim.

I know, but I was the only one to put it in a claim. Dude, I know. Don't even get me started. The other one, Carlton Davis, who's not famous, but is like a good cornerback for the bucks, tweeted at Mike Thomas at this point three years ago. I bodied you three games in a row. Called him Lil Dude. He's the one who called him Slamp Boy.

Elite nickname. Elite. He called Michael Thomas Slamp Boy. There's something so belittling about being called Lil' dude. Like, it's such a great dig. Sometimes the simplest, most childish insults actually sting the deepest. Oh, so Michael Thomas is 6'3. Carlton Davis is 6'1.

It was last time we think Michael Thomas was called Little, like a little dude. well actually line been I'll probably mean I think one of the best end zone celebrations or it doesn't even have to be an end zone celebration just the best like

post reception celebration of the last decade is the too small hand down move like AJ Brown does it all the time AJ Brown dude

there's nothing better I think it's the coolest one there is it's so subtle and yet so fucking mean too small it's so good I will

it's like if you stick up a middle finger at another dude, that's like, you know, A.J. Brown would be fine for that. But that's so much more insulting. You know what I do? I have my own version of the too small move when I'm in a car

because road rage is rampant. The show beef on Netflix exemplifies it well. But people have road rage. A lot of birds being flipped when you get cut off or something like that. My move, if I ever get upset in the car, thumbs up. You cut somebody off. Somebody cuts you off. They speed by you. They're

looking at you, just give them the thumbs up. I think it's great. It's so petty and passive that it actually makes them more upset. And if you get caught on camera doing it or anything like that, you didn't do anything wrong. The old thumbs up. I love it. Kill them with kindness. Yeah, that's what, didn't Kevin, Kevin Clark said that's what Michael Irvin does.

Because, you know, he's extremely famous and walks around. People hate the Cowboys. And that some guy went up to Michael Urban and something, something like, fuck you, motherfucker. Michael Irwin's like, thanks, brother, with a huge smile on his face. And the guy just didn't know it today. It's the best. I actually think it's. It's the greatest response.

So I highly recommend the thumbs up instead of the bird in the car. So you're just a real-life dad text with the thumbs-up. You're just a real-life dad emoji. Hey, we just had our kid. Welcome to the world, Nadia. And you're like, thumbs up. Thumbs up. All right.

Wait, speaking on this Saints game, we also have to mention we got wheels up. Alvin Camara is returning this week. So if you have Camara, you're probably playing them. But more importantly, we were talking in our last episode, The Power Hour for way too long about how did this. they weigh Alvin Camara's legs? Like, how do they find out the two-pound difference between the legs? And I got to tell you, I'm so proud. We got so many emails from people, like, literally dozens and dozens and dozens of emails about how people thought. And what I love was the range of expertise from

literal doctors and biophysicists to people who are like, I don't know, but here's my guess. And here's what I would do. And I was like, wow, I like, the confidence that the people who had no expertise had versus the actual experts was incredible. And I just love it. However, I'm going to just like read you a bunch of things that people said. Just answers we got. An inbody scale with bioelectric impedance technology. Oh, right.

And then we also got an email from a science teacher who said, just used to, yeah. And then we got an email from a science teacher who just linked me to the Wikipedia page for displacement theory by Archimedes where you just put someone in water and that just measure the water that comes out. Yeah, but... How does that... I know, I don't know. Measure one leg.

I feel like, that's... I don't know, man. I thought I have to go back to science class, clearly. Someone emailed and said, yeah, they used to cut up a bunch of cadavers, and then they measured the proportions of their body weight, and then that's the baseline, but the cadaverers probably weren't running backs.

And I'm like, yeah, that's probably bad. But I think we got the winning answer from Tyler, who said dual energy x-ray, absorb tometry, a.k.a. Which is essentially a full-body x-ray that measures density of fat, muscle, mass, and bone

and connective tissue, and it can break down by limb versus whole body. We got one email from somebody who was an engineer, I think, and they were just speculating, but they basically were talking

about how, like, an in-soul, like a doctor Shoals, insol, like measures pressure points, and it's basically, like, a lot of mini-scales. And it was, like, imagine that at a larger scale

where it's like Alvin Camara laying on a bed, and the bed is made up of hundreds of mini little scales, and that's how you can tell which leg is applying more weight on the mini scales. And I thought that was an interesting point of view. Well, my friends were texting me, like, why you just use a scale? Why is it hard?

I'm like, but how would you get one leg off the scale in a way that you knew that it was equal? But I think the answer actually is that you actually have to measure, it's you send electrical concurrence. And the answer is fat, oh, my cat's been, fat insulating the bad. There's, like, basically fat is a bad conductor of electrical current, but water. is a good conductor of electrical current. And so fat, water, bone, and muscle all have different electrical conductors. And so they send things and they can measure it.

And that account lets them account for the different density of the weight. It feels complicated. I feel like you could kind of just figure out. I feel like my scale idea is not bad. All that's to say, it was a good question that I asked. And I'm not stupid. That's all I. Clearly there's disagreement.

Any other games you want to hit? Or do you want to talk more about the Taylor Swift thing? I feel like we could have gone like, you know, twice as long on that. I think we've done enough Swift. There's a lot of Swift content out there. Nobody needs anymore. Welcome with Sunday football. Okay.

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It's great. Try to beat us. I was mediocre last week, so you probably will beat me. But give it a shot. Yeah, same. Who's your star on your scrub this week at your lineup, Craig? My star is Jamar Chase, who had a huge bounceback week. They're playing the Titans.

Can't run the ball on the Titans. I think Joe Burroughs getting healthier and healthier. I love Jamar Chase this week. I think he's going to have a huge game. My scrub is Giovante Williams. I think Javante Williams actually looks really good this year. They're running back for the Broncos. they've just had pretty tough game script situations,

especially last week. I don't know if you heard they lost by 50, but they're playing the Bears this week. I actually like Giovante a lot. So that's kind of where I'm at. But I have a lot of guys around the Jamar chase. I'm starting Jalen Waddle. You have to get some type of dolphin.

He may or may not play with a concussion, but yeah. To be clear, when we say scrub, we're saying that they're cheap, but good. I'm not saying he sucks. Yeah, cheaper. I agree with you. I thought it was so hard. My thinking was that the dolphins are such an obvious team

that I was like, I don't know. I feel like you have to Galaxy brain a little bit this week. I'm zagging. I didn't do A-Chane. I didn't do Tua. I didn't do Tyreek. You got a Zag. If you have a third,

I actually, I do have Tyreek because I think I went with three elite. My stars are, I have McCaffrey Pollard and Tyree Kill. Oh, wow. Like I just, I'm like, I actually think all of them are worth the money.

I think Tyreek is, I think Tyree Kill is going to have 2,000 yards. This year if he stays healthy and two-it-and-two-it is. I actually think it's going to happen. I believe in the Dolphins. Tony Pollode, McCaffer's McCaffrey. So then I was like, okay, I need some real zags.

Like, if I'm going to go with McCaffrey, Paul and Tyreek. So you know what my scrubs are? I'm stacking Michael Thomas and Rashid Shaheed with James Winston. I kind of love that. The deep ball with James. How shocked. It's probably a terrible strategy. But I'm like, you need to beat like a lot of people.

So I'm like, how shocked would you be if James Winston had 400 yards and like three touchdowns, two to Michael Thomas? Thomas and like one bomb to Sheed. Well, yeah, what's nice about it is like, you just need one play from Shaheed to kind of earn his points. That's why I'm starting Dave Davis because I'm like, you just need one ball to Gabe Dave or one ball to Sheed and you can make up an entire day's worth of points. And on the same note, you mentioned the Broncos.

I have Marvin Mims for Denver because, again, he is what? The Broncos, if you include kickoffs, Broncos have four plays over 50 yards. And Marvin Mims has three of them, even though he plays like eight snaps a game. Also, Jake Ferguson for the Cowboys, I think is due for a touchdown. So, all right. Fandall.com slash ringer FFS. Check out the contest, join,

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It's a similar crowd. What is the Venn diagram? of people who are going to criticize me about whether or not I should start Devon A chain and the people who have strong Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey relationship thoughts. It's probably like everybody who works at the ringer

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Thank you for listening. Emails to ringerfancy football at gmail.com. There's a lot of things we just discussed. Emails, whatever. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren, thank you, Jonas Brothers. Wow. That's right.

Leading into it. Any one? All them? All three? No regrets? Not even a letter? Specifically, Kevin. The poor guy gets no love.

It's all Nick and Joe. What's up with them? I think he's just like married and he's like 40 and he's just like living in a life. I honestly did. I didn't even realize Sophie Turner and Jonas had kids. I just knew he was like, oh, they got married like drunkenly in Vegas. I was like, oh, that's nice. How lovely to marry the guy's a poster on your wall.

And, ooh. You know, if you kind of think about it, are we, like, can you make a parallel for me, you and D.K. to the Jonas Brothers. Like, the only reason I'm saying is because DK. is obviously Kevin. I got to tell you, I don't know them apart. I don't even know the third one's name. Joe, Kevin, and who? I, wait.

Nick. Who's married? Nick, right. Nick has, like, the biggest solo career. Kevin is the older one who's married. One person, though, like, I don't know. There are Nick's solo songs that you know. Like, levels is a song that you definitely know by Nick Jonas.

Who's married to Priyanka? Nick Jonas. Honestly, I just know that's what makes you beautiful. But, like, what else have they done? That's what makes you beautiful is one direction. You absolute fool. What's the one where they're talking about, what's the one? You know, dunna, dunna.

Like, what's the, what is that one? That's one direction. You're insecure. Oh. That's you don't know you're beautiful. It's not the Jonas Brothers? No, it's not. Oh, okay.

What's the one that's popular that they did, the recently? Sucker. I'm a sucker for you, that one. I don't think that's Jonas Brothers either, is it? That is. I think that's dance. I think that is Joe Jonas's other bands. Oh, no, it is Jonas Brothers.

It is Jonas Brothers. Yeah, you missed on a lot of those. But Year 3,000, Burning Up, SOS. Those are bangers. Damn, Kai. That are great songs. You know what? Jonas Brothers are to me. You know that meme of all the

the white dudes sitting at the baseball game with their faces like boom, boom, boom, boom, and they all look exactly the same? Like, the Jonas brothers in my head are just all like the same guy. They're like the Hanson brothers. Remember them? No, who's that? What? Mbop? You don't know Mbap?

The Hanson brothers? I feel like this is a good time to just come clean and confession that I don't know most of the people that you guys name at this point. You don't know Hanson? And the Hanson brothers is in the song Mbop. Mbop was a massive song. I, Mbop. No clue.

What? M. M. M. M. Bop. There's so many ghosts right now yelling. Email us or your fantasy football jima.com if you're mad. It's hard to sing because there's no real lyrics. It's all like gibberish. Oh. Like the chorus is gibberish.

Well, maybe that's why I've never heard of Hanson. You've definitely heard of Hanson. They're like three blonde brothers. And Mbop is a massive song. Is this their biggest song? Yeah. I think they're more of a lot. one hit wonder, but they were, the song is huge.

We need a word or a term. One for the show, but generally in society, where it's like, I know the song, but I don't know who did it, and that's fine. No. Yes. I'm supposed to know. Like, how many songs in your life have you been like, I know the words? You're like, wow, I can't believe I know the words to this.

You're like, what's the name of the song? You're like, I have no idea, but you can sing the chorus. Yeah, but there's a difference here. There's a difference between knowing the name of the song, which I think is very hard, and I agree with you. knowing the artist is a different story. You were making a case that you don't need to know the artist. You're right.

The first thing I said is, I think, not undisputable, but everyone would be like, oh, yeah, what's the name of the song? But the artist thing, I think, is in the middle, though, where it's like, you don't have to know the, you know the song, and the artist is halfway between the title. But like, yeah, I don't care where Hanson is, but yeah, I played it. I've heard the song.

Oh, you have heard it? Okay. They were just like a thing. They were really popular. They were like, look, they're like these, like, three long-haired blonde brothers. They were just like, you know, a big piece of pop culture for a small portion of time. Was Big Time Rush before y'all's time?

Yeah, I don't have any relationship with Big Time Rush. I'm worried Kai's going to be like, Beethoven? What was he like when you were growing up? He's like, what was Led Zeppelin like in person? Seriously, though. Is he good? Did you know Usher as a musician or did you just grow up being like, that's Justin Bieber's mentor? No.

Of course I knew Usher as a musician. Also, Big Time Rush was active from 2009 to now. So, like, they're not before our time. Well, no, they came back. They broke, they had the little, they had a show for like three years, and they had a bunch of bangers. And then halfway there, if you're a big time rush fan, is incredible. But no, then they came back together in like 2020 or 2021 recently.

So, like, they had a break in there. So that's probably what you said. But you saying is 2009 before our time. That's almost. That was our time. Yeah. There's no way you were watching big time rush the show at that. Like, how old are you?

ninth grade. I should have said how old do you think we were in freaking... Yeah, I was in like... I was like 15 years old. I feel like that's the perfect time. That's your time. Yeah. I don't know.

I think it's like middle school. That's how old I was. It's watching it. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know why I'm arguing this. I don't know anything about big time rush. I didn't even know they had a show.

I'm telling guy when you watched the show. Are kids like now, like in 10 years, it's going to be talking about like different episodes of Bluey, the way we talk about SpongeBob? I don't know. Does, does Bluey skewery skewer? like into your later years as a child? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, you're right. It's probably the second graders are gathering around and being like remember Bluey back in the day. I think seventh graders now are just like on TikTok, like watching vlogs. Great way. So I feel like we're like of the generation. We're like, oh yeah, like I don't want my kids to have like screens.

Like screens are poisoning at my mind. And then it's like now I'm getting closer to the point. Like, oh, you can't make kids sit still if you don't hand them a phone. I get it now. I don't think you can make them sit still. still either way. I was at a dinner the last night or the other night and there was two parents with their kids. The kids had phones and they were just at your table. Going apes shit. If you're calling

out someone you know. No, next to us. They were next to us and the kids had phones and they were filming things, taking photos, running around, doing stuff with the food, taking photos of the food. I think you're just screwed either way. I think kids will always be a menace to society no matter what technology we have. Dude, definitely so many songs I didn't get when I was younger and I'm like, Oh, dude, that song, again, don't know the name. It's like, it's called teenagers. It's like, Teenagers scare the shit out of me. I'm not going to yell it.

You know, it's called teenagers. Yes, you do. Don't make me do it. Well, it's because he's yelling. It's Teenager scare. Is it my chemical romance? Yeah. Yeah, maybe I know it.

And I'm like, I didn't get it. And now I get it. That's a much bigger song than the song you were giving me crap over. Perhaps. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to tell because like, you can't look at streams now because Ubab came out in 97. So the streams are teenagers by my,

My chemical romance is bigger than imbop by Hansen. I actually think I disagree with you. We're going to have to put up another poll. What was the bigger deal? Teenagers by My Chemical Romance are Mbop by Hansen. In the moment in 1997, when the internet was very nascent, Mbop was a fucking big deal that you just couldn't tweet about it and put it on YouTube. Dude, my chemical romance was a much big...

You know who my chemical romance is, right? Yes, obviously I fucking know. But they have a million big songs. So I don't think this one song was. as culturally defining as Mbop who burst onto the scene these three brothers with this

yeah with this banger Mike Mekal romance oh cool it's one of their 20 hits I actually I wasn't sure if we're gonna keep this or not but now I almost want to just to hear from people like I want the people who've stuck with us this long to email us

ringer fantasy football email and like let us know what you think and I don't even think we should have the episode be this long but now I'm like I kind of want I kind of want feedback on this I'm like hyped up I'm like mad now Is it their biggest song? Is it their number one biggest song, we think?

It's 170 million views. Is Big Time Rush bigger than Hansen? That's my question. Hi, listen. The big time rush thing is over. Okay. We've moved on. Teenagers is the number one song for my chemical romance.

800 million streams. Oh, I do remember the song. No, let me stop. Oh, no, I'm still recording. Are you recording? Yeah, I'm still recording. Yeah, you're still recording. But you, I mean, you said I would know it.

Like, I wasn't disputing that I wouldn't have heard of it. Oh, but it's a big, it's the biggest, it's bigger than Mbop by Hansen. I don't agree. You're going to put this into. Fuck it, dude. I'm sticking to my roots here. I'm saying Mbop had a bigger splash. But again, it's harder to know.

You were in the late 90s. Things didn't spread the same way they could in the mid-2000s. The song was 2006, I think. Late 90s, you were five. So? And yeah, you're right. Now, that's actually a testament to how big the song was, that I, I knew it probably when I was 10 or 12, which means five or seven years later, that song was still big.

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