The Ringer NFL Show - Week 4 Recap From Ireland: Steelers Get the Dub(lin), Mahomes Is Back, Giants Light Up a Dart, and Week 5 Waivers

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

The guys are still in Ireland and are ready to recap all of the NFL Week 4 action, including the game they went to in Dublin, Steelers-Vikings! They go through categories such as Winners and Losers, the Oppenheimer Award, Intrusive Thoughts, and so much more. Later, they run through their top waiver wire pickups of the week. (00:00) Intro (02:21) Steelers-Vikings (20:36) Winners and Losers (44:05) It’s So Over. We’re So Back. (01:00:28) The Oppenheimer Award (01:06:35) Fart or Shart (01:13:23) Intrusive Thoughts (01:23:36) Play of the Day (01:28:13) The WORST Play of the Day (01:30:03) Stadium Pulse of the Week (01:30:57) The Lucille Bluth Award (01:32:29) Fantasy Burn Book (01:35:29) Waivers⁠ Check out the 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! ⁠[e-mail]⁠ The all-new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid. This episode is brought to you by American Eagle. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit ⁠www.rg-help.com⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: ⁠Danny Heifetz⁠, ⁠Danny Kelly⁠, and ⁠Craig Horlbeck⁠ Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Bex Donnelly Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dana Hyattitz, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Rolbeck, and we are live in Dublin, Ireland. I think I just blew out the mic with how loud I did this. Carlos wasn't prepared for that. This is our last recording of our time in Ireland.

We have another recording we already did that we're going to publish later this week on Wednesday. So if you want to hear more about our trip in Ireland and Dublin, all the amazing time we had into Ireland, Wednesday power hour. We're going to have a ton of that. Yep.

We had an amazing time here. we're going to, I mean, went to Viking Steelers today. We're going to tell you all about that. It was a great game. Honestly, thank God. It was a great game. And then you were going to go through all the other games we were able to see here, which was fun.

Packers Cowboys, to be totally honest with you, is started at 120 in the morning. And we couldn't wait until Ford to record. So we're going to have that on throughout this show. Yeah, so we'll be discussing it. We didn't quite finish the game, but we were discussing it throughout the episode. So if Michael Parsons, like, ended the game by strip sacking,

Dak, Prescott. Like, we apologize. But we'd probably end of the show before that. also for waivers. We're not going to have a Monday episode this week because we're flying back from Dublin. So waivers we're going to get to at the end of the show. We kind of just gripping and rip it through running back receiver, tight end, defense. It's just trying to help you.

But obviously there's money of football games still to come. But yeah, we in slew of a Monday waiver episode, we do. We did just want to give you our idea of who we think we'd pick and we hashed out together. So yeah, with that said, this is fun and loopie. So TK. and Craig actually got into it a little bit, which usually only happens with me. So that's fun. Thank you, everyone. We? No. I don't remember. What did we even talk about? I don't remember. We'll have to see.

We'll have to find out myself. Yeah. I will take a quick break. This episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football Show is presented by Hyundai. The all-new Hyundai Palisade hybrid proves that an incredible SUV is so much more than the sum of its parts. It's more than a spacious interior. It's more than being able to navigate difficult terrain. And it's way more than driving farther than you ever thought possible. It's the all-new Hyundai-Paliseid hybrid, so much more than just another SUV. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call 562-314-4603 for more details. Going through all the games, starting with, obviously, I mean, we came here to talk

about Steelers Vikings. Yeah, baby. First game in Dublin. Steelers won, 24, Vikings 21. A game that the Steelers kind of dominated. Yeah. And then the Vikings, frankly, really, really came close to almost waiting. It was a great game. Frankly, a lot of European games suck that they send here.

And they were a little bit nervous that the game would suck. It really didn't. It was actually a pretty good game. And your Steelers won't, Craig? Yeah, I thought I was actually very happy for the people from Ireland who attended this game, maybe who were just kind of dipping their toe in the NFL water because not only was it a good game, it was close at the end, but there was a lot of, like, big, fun, exciting plays. Like the D.K. Metcalfe 80-yard touchdown, like the slant of the house, you don't see that a lot. even the Jalen Ramsey fumble return for touchdown

that ended up getting overturned. In the moment when it felt real, that was a huge deal. It was like right in the beginning of the game. He faked his hamstring injury like mine and then he did the gritty against Justin Jefferson and the Vikings. And then he hurt his hamstring later that game. Which is kind of, you're tempting the football gods

when you fake an injury in football. But you're right. It was really exciting. It was actually a ton of plays. A lot of exciting stuff. There's like interceptions. There's turnovers. It was a great game.

Rogers played well. It kind of had every beat. Except for a while there, it looked like it was. going to be a little bit of a blowout. And then the final four minutes of the game, both coaches, I think, had too many guises and things got super wonky. Well, yeah, the joke was, like, maybe Goodell phoned down to the sidelines.

Like, right, come on, guys, let's, let's, like, the Steelers can still win. The Buffalo Wildlings button. Totally. I think overall, I think both teams had a really huge advantage on the defensive line over the offensive line in both games. And I think you saw that where both game plans for Vikings and Steelers alike was basically a lot of high percentage completion. So the point where such high percentage passes

that there was not really an incompletion for 25 minutes. It was like a point in the late second quarter and there had been no... Five minutes left in second quarter was the first time the ball hit the ground. Yes. I think I saw that Aaron Rogers,

his A dot in this game, so the average depth of target was like two yards. Yes. He was getting rid of the ball really quickly and guess what? It actually did pretty good job of neutralizing the pass rush. Yeah, I actually like using D.K. Metcalfe

as like the way the Eagles used Dallas Goddard. Just like get him the ball quickly and let him pick up speed. When he started running, the crowd, you could like hear the crowd, the roar of the crowd like rise up the stadium. It was actually very cool. People in Ireland are like, who is that?

Is that a robocop? Who is that? It was like the car running like Moes from the office. D.K. Metcalfe down the sideline. When he gets like churning, it's nothing better. You miss it a little bit when you see that? Yeah, definitely. Big time. Big time. I think

what was interesting, the Steelers defensive line was awesome. Took over this game. Yes. Should be noted that the Vikings lost two of their starters. They lost a tackle

and their center. That's the thing. So Brian, so Christian Daris saw the left tackles came back from injury. And then obviously when the Vikings lost

on Sunday football the Falcons a couple weeks ago, the offensive line was a huge issue. It happened to get in this game. The Vikings lost Brian O'Neill right tackle very early in the game.

Like I think the first or second drive. Yeah. And then... It was on a kick. Yeah. It was on a special teams play. And so Andrew Thomas for the Giants got hurt.

When your left tackle gets hurt in a special teams is the worst. Yeah. But the Vikings lost Ryan Kelly at center very early in the third quarter to concussion.

And he had a couple of concussion a couple weeks ago. So that's bad to get two concussions three weeks, potentially if he did have one. But when Ryan Kelly went out, everything changed and just... Yeah, the center of the line,

like Keanu Ben, all the detackles of the Steelers just started going to like, crowd, Wentz was getting tipped. T.J. Watt tipped an interception. Like, it just started to get messy. Nick Herbig for the Steelers

leads the NFL and pass rush win rate at ESPN, which I don't love that's that for everything, but that's pretty incredible. And I do think if I did summarize the whole game into one sentence, or not a sentence, but just like one stat that I think captures everything

about what happened here until the crazy ending. These are how the Vikings drives ended on third down. The first drive they went and got a field goal. And then after that, it ended with Carson Wentz, third and nine, sack, third and 13, sack, third and eight, interception, third and 12, incomplete, third and 11,

sack, third in 16, interception, third and nine, sack. you can't live that way. I mean, third and long is exactly when the pass rush knows that it's going to be a pass and they can just load up and get after you. Yeah, the Vikings just, this is when the cliche of NFL coach is saying, we have to stand schedule. What that means is we need enough yards to not be in third and long for T.J.

Watt to fuck our shit up. It can't be in third long. Third nine, turn 10, turn 11. Yeah, and once again, the Steelers win because they get turnovers and then they don't turn over the ball. We were talking about the preview show with Craig Rosenthal. The Steelers have 27 points off turnovers. turnover so far this year. They have allowed zero points out turnovers.

The same should happen. Like they have the most ridiculous, you could, I think call it luck because of how many positive turnover like EPA they have every single week and it happened again today. It felt like the Steelers dominated this game for most of the game. And then at the end it got close. But also like when you factor in one of the first plays of the game was a fumble that Jalen Ramsey took back for a touchdown and ended up getting called back because Jordan Mason had like a foot out of bounds

and he touched the football or whatever. I will say, the other note I have for people, if that was their first NFL game, there was a lot of like confusing, esoteric NFL rules. I think like the Jalen Ramsey fumble returned,

I think everybody was like, why did that not count? And it was like, Jordan Mason fumbled it, but then as he was trying to recover it, his foot was out of bounds. So while he was touching the ball, his foot was out,

so it doesn't count. I think I realized like that happening in the context of all these other, fans realizing that other sports don't have the amount of ways the NFL can under a big play. Like in soccer, maybe I'm wrong and maybe people are going to scream at me. It's kind of just off sides. It's kind of just like a VAR, offsides or handball. Or fouls. But like all sides handball are the only thing

they're going to get granular with review. There's so many things the NFL can review to take away big play. There was like the Wendt's intentional grounding. I'm sure people are like, what the hell happened there? He got sacked. And then why are they moving back 15 yards? There was also a moment where they got the down wrong on the scoreboard that said third down. It was actually fourth down. Which happened to us. We'll talk about this and once.

This happened to us at the hurling match yesterday. And then today we were like, oh yeah, well, Harley was wrong. I mean, I have a scoreboard all the time. Then the NFL game,

we're like, this is, yeah. I mean, Carson Wentz looked at the scoreboard. He was, he was pointing at the scoreboard like his third down. I was like, no Carson's fourth down. Yeah. But I will say on the sideline, they had the fourth down showing though.

But it's worth, yeah, but it's worth getting to the ending the game because really, to Craig's point, it looked like the still was going to run away with this. And it really looked like that when the Steelers were in the red zone and they were up seven and, sorry, no, they were up 10, I apologize. They were up 10. They were up 10. And they looked like they were going to kind of march it and score.

And then Tomlin got to a really pivotal moment, which, and I want to go through this sequence, but basically what happens is Aaron Rogers has been, second and goal at the 11-yard line. Rogers has been Scaronic in the end zone for a touchdown. And he just kind of misses the throw. and he was so we saw he was so angry that he missed yeah he was like cursing to himself then they get eight-yard pass and they get to uh fourth and goal at the three of the three fourth and goal at three is three in the box where it was two yeah and they kind of come off the field and rogers there's like an exchange boswell kind of runs on and rogers and then there's a time out and then or i don't know yeah they took a time out did they yes okay sorry minnesota took the time out to save time yeah yeah yeah

and they take advantage of it and i don't know if i don't know what came out after the game but like if roger I just convinced Tom or what. The Steelers send their offense back out. Which we questioned that. How much time was left? Around four minutes? It was exactly four minutes and 14 seconds left. Our thinking was like, so they're up 10.

If you kick the field goal here, you're up 13. I know that's like going from up two scores to still up two scores. Touchdown ends the game. Touchdown is you're up. You're 17. The game is over. But we were like, if you kick the field goal here, you are requiring Carson Wentz,

who already has two interceptions to basically go down the field and score two have two touchdown drives to win the game. Right. And it's, and or you go for it and obviously, or you go for it and obviously seal it. But if you don't get it, then it's only 10 points,

which is, which is nothing nowadays without easy to get a field goals. And it's funny because the- Tomlin is always conservative. Like, Tomlin always kicks. So,

and that's why I was telling you, I'm like, there's no way he snaps this. Is he got a hard count? 100%. But hard count, but it's fourth and goals. You don't get the first,

but what's necessarily, but what's funny about it is, um, the logic part of it is, well, if we don't get the first year, Carson Wences got to go like 99 yards. Right.

And then that's like exactly what happened, which is Jordan Addison gets an 81 yard pass. Yes. And Jordan Addison goes down. And Peyton Wilson, who of all people was a linebacker who fell in the drafts in large part because he wasn't that fast, right, D.K.

No, he was fat. He's super fast. He's small injuries. He's like undersized a little bit. Yeah. But he is very fast. I think he ran like a 4-4. I mean, he catches 21, 22 miles an hour running after Addison.

He catches Jordan Addison at the, one yard line, which ended up being massive because Jordan Addison really should have scored a touchdown here at just double check it. He really should have scored a touchdown with like three minutes and 25 seconds left. That was huge. And the Vikings ended up getting the touchdown, but they did it just before the two minute warning. So they saved like a minute and 20 with the tackle. But then so he ran a 4-4-3 at the combine. Oh yeah. He is extremely fast. At 233. I think just Peyton is so deep in my brain is Peyton Manning that I can't admit anyone named Peyton would be fast. I think it was a multitude you have injuries in college that, you know, people were worried about.

So the Tomlin decision to go for the touchdown was so out of character, and then just immediately the Vikings are down three. And the fourth downplay call was a run, which like, I guess Rogers felt like like like a game. I'm sure it was a run into the gut. It just got stopped. I'm sure they called a run and they had a pass that he would kill to. And then like they just liked the look,

but they didn't get it. But then the Vikings go for the outside kick, which you hated. because now they're down three and they're onside kicking. Yeah, because it's like if you don't get the onside kick, the Steelers are immediately in field goal range, which is like, all right, I guess you're down three, who cares if you're down six? But I just...

You loved it as a Steelers fan, but you were like confused by the Steelers. I was confused, yeah. But anyway, and then the, so, I mean, the Steelers get the onside kick. Well, and then it was like the Vikings at the end, like basically try to pass the middle of the field with 13 seconds left, which they had no time out. So even if they completed the pass, there's no way they would be able to spike it. It was just, it was like both these guys were drunk.

That was the other. There's jet lag coaching, to be honest. It was strange about the Tomlin thing, and I know I'm drawing this out little, but what was strange was the Steelers immediately go three and out. And the Steelers get a three, and they probably have half a yard for fourth down. And at this point, Tomlin does not go for it. And they're at like the 40. They punt, touchback at the back of the end zone. It's a horrific punt from the 40-yard line.

You punt it at 50 yards. So now they get the Vikings at the 20. And it's like, Tomlin kind of did the worst of both worlds. You should have took the field goal at the three-yard line. But now you're at fourth and half a yard. It's like, now you go for it. game's over. It's the worst part of Tomlin. His fourth down, like, his end of game stuff. It's like they make him decide if he's going to go for fourth downs before the game start.

So like, hey, you're going to have four first downs, which ones are you going to go for? And he has to decide before because you truly have no idea what he's going to do. It's like a genuine coin flip every time. It was really strange. But overall, it was, I just, I don't know if there's everything else in the game itself, but I think just being at the game, it was awesome. I got to tell you, like, this trip was sick. And I think the London thing, like, I'm sure the London games are awesome. But the reality is they've been doing that now since 2007, I think. Like, this, people were so hype for this game.

The crowd was incredible. Particularly the Steelers in Pittsburgh and what it meant to Ireland. There was a lot of players. A lot of the postgame presses, Patrick Queen, straight up, he was like, no offense, but this was a better crowd than Pittsburgh. He said that. Yeah. He was like, it felt more like a home game.

He was like, the sustained cheering throughout the game was stronger than actually in Pittsburgh. When they played Renegade, which is like the Steelers big hype song, they always play it like third, like sometimes fourth quarter when they need a big defensive different special teams play. It was unbelievable to see how many people brought them had terrible towels. Also, all these people brought them from home. I don't know what I mean.

And so, or just literally like from a dip, ocean away or whatever, a bottom in town. And so they were just literally probably 30 or 40,000 of the people there had terrible towels waving. It was crazy. It was so loud. But it was also just, frankly,

it was really cool. It was in Ireland. Like they played zombie. Yeah. Everyone was singing along. This was like during a timeout or a TV timer. Two full minutes is on. It's not like the 10 seconds between breaks.

Like everyone, just 80,000 people singing zombie was awesome. It was a great Steelers win. They needed to win this game. Like the vibes, it was great that they won. They played well. Like they ran the ball well. The Steelers have a little bit of an identity. And now with the Ravens losing this game,

the Ravens are one and three. The Steelers are three and one in the AFC North. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. The Ben burrows out. The Browns are the Browns. Like the Steelers, if Rogers can say healthy, I mean, they have a real shot. It is so funny because I think everyone universally before the season,

like I'm sure any NFL analyst, you listen to. I feel like everyone was like, well, if you want to pick playoff teams, usually two or three fallout, picking the Steelers to go back almost feels like a Boulder picked and picking the Steelers to fallout.

And it's like, I don't think there is, I would actually be curious that there's anyone that other than people cover the Steelers or are fans of the Steelers. I wonder if anyone picked the Ravens to miss the playoffs and the Steelers to be in. No way. Other than just people who like the Steelers.

It's, and the fact that it's like this, it's just, I don't know, Tomlin, man. Rogers is playing well. We'll see, I'm impressed. It was an impressive game. Rogers played well. And we should say Jaylen Warren

Yeah He was active That was crazy The only receiver I mean the amount of people There was a fight in one of my College fantasy groups Because somebody of course was like

Hey I was asleep when Jalen Warren was announced Anactive so I like started him accidentally Right So there's a lot of that as well Yeah And it was just awesome Watts T.J. Watt when he bade me batting it He did a JJ

Badded the past himself and intercepted And then he tried to kick it into the stands And totally shanked it Yeah Which was funny Dude special teams are back Maybe got blocked But yeah, no, it was pretty incredible.

It was an amazing game. And then I do want to shout out just Sonny, who is, Sunny, who is one of the, I mean, really the main reason that we were here in Ireland. Sonny did an awesome job. And I want to shout out Tom, who basically got us field access. And that was awesome because I won't lie. I don't think Bill Murray would think, Tom. No, Bill Murray is meant. I found Bill Murray walked by us.

That's true. Bill Murray walked by us. I found. You walked by us. That's Bill Murray and Jason Kelsey. It's funny because there were rumors that Bill Murray would come to this game. Because he was at a pub and dingle a couple nights ago. I think this is fair to say.

I think of all the truly A-list people that are famous in America. I don't think there's anyone outside of, like, I don't think there's anyone that's more like they're rumored to be coming, but like you don't know what that means than Bill Murray. Bill Murray apparently doesn't even own his cell phone. Like it was hard for them to even contact him. Yeah. And so I just feel like where. or Bill Murray's going to be is just like,

he's the most unpredictable celebrity I think we have. Yeah, we had him on, um, he was on flying coach and it was impossible to even get him set up to record. Like he, he was on somebody else's like iPhone recording and he was walking while doing it. Did you have to explain this to him? No, I mean, he just like showed up and was like, somebody else planned it for him and he was just like on his phone with headphones in.

And we were like, hey, like, is this how you're going to record? And he's like, yeah. And we're like, all right. And he was just like walking around his house with his phone down. And so you could, like, see his, like, chin angle as he was just roaming around the house. Did he know it was on video? Yeah. Like, fucking Sean McVane, Pete Carroll, staring at him.

I just saw him. I think it was the Steve Kerr season. I just saw him walking around, like, field access. And it's like, you can interview anyone. People were just going up to Goodell and kind of talk. So I was like, screw it. And I kind of just was like, Bill, like, what's your, because the whole thing was he went to the pub. I was like, what was your favorite pub?

Remember when you were on S&L? Do you remember when you were in the Groundhog Day? Remember when you were in the Beatles? That was awesome. nay? But yeah, no. And you talked to Kelsey. And Jason Kelsey after that.

So really what happened was I asked Bill Murmys, what's your favorite pub you've been to an Ireland? He shouted out. It's like Guinness or Murphys? Because while I was here discovered Murphy's, I think it's better good than Guinness, which is not sacrilege. I think it's a deep guy.

That's a hyphen state. No, it's good. Of course. It's good. It is good. I know. It's like, okay. Please.

I actually think it's better than Guinness. It's actually the opposite. It's the scatiboo of Jente. Yeah. But. the so then I was like, what's your favorite? And he was like, oh, you know, actually I kept spilling my goodness on myself. So they kept refilling it.

And then I was like, Eagles or sorry, I was like, Vikings, he's like, all right, all right, I got to, I got to go. Like, please, you know, like, stop talking to me now. One too many questions. And I was like, yeah, it's like, it's an art to kind of just get out before. The, the conversation. And so then I overcorrected with Jason Kelsey. And I was like, I'll just ask you one question.

And he gave me such a thoughtful answer. And I was like, damn, he definitely would have done more than one question. And I should have talked longer to him. And you also asked him about. And you also asked him about his favorite pub. I asked him his favorite pub, but he gave a really thoughtful answer about a great place.

He was excited about Galway. He was wearing the dude sweater. Yeah. This was pretty cool. I kind of think he wanted to keep talking to me, and I was like, I kind of, no, I, no, I'm kidding. I just wanted to believe that. But, yeah, it was cool.

Shout out to you. You hunted both them down and you were real journalist today. Can you imagine if I hadn't done that? That would have done for journalism? If I hadn't just asked Bill Murray if you likes to keep beer. Yeah. So. Well, Wood were over here.

here. Okay, anything else from Ireland, Dublin. We're going to have, we have so many Dublin stories, and I'm sure that we're going to thread it through this, but we're going to have power hour on Wednesday. We're going to have a ton of stuff. Yeah, yeah. So we can stick to this slate of games, which I got to say, so we went to the Steelers game at 2.30 Pacific time in Ireland, sorry, not Pacific time, 2.30 local time in Ireland. The early slate started at 6 o'clock p.m. local time. The second slate started at 9 p.m. local time and now the night game starts

at 120 local time in the morning? Crazy stuff. A different kind of morning game for you. I was all turned around. It was like 6 p.m. but the morning games were starting. I didn't know where it was. So I think just, I mean, picking backing off the Steelers thing of 2421,

like to your point, it paired with the Chiefs game. So the Chiefs beat the Ravens 37 to 20. And I feel like, correct. I feel like just winners and losers. I feel like the Chiefs are the big winner today, right? Yeah, D.K., they're a winner, right? Yeah, the Chiefs, like Hifton said,

37 to 20 over Baltimore. Man, first of all, Baltimore, not going great. Things are really tough. Lamar Jackson left in the third quarter, early fourth quarter with a hamstring injury. But we want to focus on the winner here, the Chiefs. I think that it really felt like they kind of had their mojo back a little bit in this game. Mahomes threw for four touchdowns for the first time in a game.

game since October of 2023. Yeah. You know, they didn't quite get to 40, but like, it's been like two years. I mean, they would have. I think it's been 40 games since they've had that many points. So this, it felt more like the chiefs of old in terms of just like what you'd expect from this type of, like this offense were explosive plays, deep shots down the field. It just looked smoother.

You know what I mean? Like watching them lately has been like pulling teeth. Everything is really hard. Everything is really difficult. And I will say, I don't know if I, I thought it would help. I didn't think it would help this much. But Xavier Worthy was a real game changer in this. He actually led, he led the team in rushing and receiving in this game, I believe.

Let me see here. He had 38 yards rushing, which was tops on the team. And then he had five catches for 83 yards receiving. That is so demoralizing for the Ravens. I do want to focus on the Chiefs, though, you're right. I was wrong about Worthy. I thought they'd give him a few design touches in the shoulder. It would be like having the speed element.

but I thought the range of motion with just his shoulder injury would be the shoe. Yeah, the risk that he's going to get hurt. He was a way larger factor in this game than I thought he would be. But I agree. Honestly, my takeaway from this Chief's game was my intrusive thought was the last seven to 14 days was the best Super Bowl odds you'll ever get for the Chiefs for the next like eight, nine years. Like literally we are, that was the last of what, like, part of me was like worthy here. Rishi Rice is going to come back from the suspension.

And when you have this offense with Rishi Rice worthy, Tyquon Thornton has a very, very viable fourth guy speed element. Right, a good role player. Yeah, and then Kelsey falling back, just Risholing back and sliding everyone back into like where they're supposed to be. And the Chiefs offense not being so slow anymore and Mahomet's having more options.

Like I think the offense line getting better. And I just, I really do think KC just is going to be fine or the Ravens defense is actually like a huge problem and something that was going to be. Maybe it's just more like Rokron-Swyth-Swith-Gunner. the middle of this game. They, you know, Madabike is on injured reserve.

They were down like six starters. That's the other thing. The Ravens defense, man, they let up 41 to the bills, 38 to the Lions, and now 37 to the Chiefs. Yeah. They actually been,

like, legitimately one of the worst defenses in the NFL. I think this is a better win for the Chiefs than it is a loss of the Ravens. And you said that to me like 20 minutes ago. I'm probably stealing that for me. But like, I think you're right about that. And the Chiefs were underdogs at home,

and they won by 17. And they really should have won by 24. But the flip side is, in terms of where people are at in their season, I don't think the vibes are, not worse, but the vibes are dark for Baltimore where you're a one and three. The Steelers to your point are,

they're three and one, right? And so you're behind in the division. The Ravens have gone from this literal Super Bowl favorites a couple weeks ago. To like, are they a wildcard team? They actually are going to have to fight to make the playoffs down the A&C. Well, we don't even know if Lamar's going to play next week.

Lamar is a hamstring injury that they were wrapping up. Yeah. It's tough right now. I was going to ask if it's like panic time for Derek Henry as well. If you want to talk about fantasy, Derek Kennedy, Henry has quietly been terrible outside of week one. He had the great week one, 28 fantasy points since then, two, 10, and six. And, you know, his rushing totals in those games, 23, 50, and 42. Derek Henry had less than 50 yards once last year, and he's done it three times already.

I mean, it's definitely really concerning. And I think it has to do with, you know, like last year, the big variable that we kind of thought would be a big, Kate, the big thing for him is like yards before contact. It just doesn't feel like it's there for him this year. I mean, he's getting tackled at the line of scrimmage, sometimes behind line of scrimmage, like falling down. He just needs that extra little bit of over. And again, it's like the oldest story in the book about Derek Kennedy,

but when they get down, he doesn't play as much. And now if Cooper Rush is going to be the quarterback, they're playing Houston next week. He is no longer a top 10, maybe not even top 20 back now. No, and again, it's, it's, Lamar, I mean, you said even before Lamar had the hamstring issue that you said, we were watching and Craig and you were just kind of like does Lamar look as fast as he used to?

He's not. And we were all kind of like, no. And it doesn't mean like I don't want to, he's still like a 95 percentile athlete now. And maybe not the 99. But when you go back and watch year one, year two, Lamar,

what he was doing physically while scrambling and running was a little bit freakier than what he does now. I think that's right. And when you are dropping. He gets caught a little bit more now. His breakaway is a little bit slower now than it used to be. And it's like, look,

these guys get older, Josh Allen. It's not going to go. go on forever. Patrick Mahomes is 30. It's kind of way, like these guys are actually creeping closer to 30. Yes. They're toward the end of their primes. They're physical primes.

And we don't have a lot of examples of guys like Lamar aging. You know what I mean? And Josh out, we don't know what 35 year old Lamar Jackson looks like. We don't have any, we don't have any examples of more aging, to be honest. So it's like, of course, there are running quarterbacks who age, but like the, like, Michael Vick, I guess, or something like that. I was going to say it, but I was like, we don't, Michael Vic doesn't count. Yes. You know.

So I'm on a cam. but Cam was so big Cam got hurt because he kept using his shoulders of battery ram and his shoulder almost fell off so he couldn't throw. Well and it's a scary sign what happened to came. Like if what happened to Cam was what's going to happen to Lamar. But Lamar is actually a really good passer. Totally, totally.

So I think he's like, I mean, he is an outlier. He's one of one and stylistically. So obviously I think he'll be able to age gracefully because he's such a good pastor and he has such a good vision for the field and anticipation. But yeah, I think here's

Here's a kind of concerning thing, Craig. Look at who's number two in yards before contact per carry this year, the Ravens. So I guess, like, my impression maybe is incorrect. Yeah. But part of me is, like, we almost need to split it out the first three quarters versus Buffalo and after. It's been like, it's been completely different. Like so much of, like, you, Craig, you mentioned Derek Henry has like 20 of his points

in week one. I think 26 of those 28 in the first three quarters of versus Buffalo. Since the Buffalo, like, came back. Yeah, really since the first half of week one, I mean, it's been a different team. And frankly, everything. The short yardage stuff looks jumbled, which is inexcusable. Look, we always joke Derek Henry kind of looks like a statue of a dictator, toppling a square if it gets hit early.

But overall, there's just... A dictator. It does. But overall, I just... Todd Monkin, I think, was brought in in a lot of ways because I think of an ability to create creative spacing with different kinds of personnel that would really help with the Ravens and a lot of the issues they had and merge a real passing game,

but still have a rushing identity. And Derek Henry was specifically brought in, because the Chiefs in the AFC championship game, Steve Spagnolo, who understands Lamar's weaknesses and how to exploit them better than any coordinator, including Loua and Arummo, like Spagnolo owns, like, this rivalry in a lot of ways. And again, the Ravens were favored in this game,

even though the Ravens are now, what, one in seven versus Andy Reid since the last, like, 2013. And Spagnollo tricked the Ravens through a lot of really interesting stuff with shading and all the RPAs into the Ravens in that AFC championship gave two years ago had the fewest design runs in the history of the team. Playoffs, Raiders, season, they had five design runs in the entire game. And so they went and got Derek County because they were so disgusted with themselves in Baltimore.

They did that. And it is incredible now two seasons later how much the Chiefs still kind of own this Ravens' offense. Like this is the boogeyman for the Ravens. They can't beat the Chiefs. They also still lost to the bills who lost in their playoffs. They really got out-coached and out-muscled by the Lions two weeks ago. All the other elite teams that the Ravens think of themselves as kind of just ran all, kind of just went all around their defense and kind of shut down their offense.

And like, you can't tell me that's not going to sit in their side of you. Oh, yeah, that's what I was going to say. Like, this is the type of thing that is going to stick with them. And there's the seat of doubt is there for them, I'm sure. You know, and it's like when you don't have a history of overcoming that kind of thing, I mean, they just need to do it at some point. I know this is a little bit of lazy analysis, but at some point it becomes true. The Ravens think, like the Cat Williams joke of like a Chrysler 300 looks like a Phantom

until a phantom rolls up. The Raven, you have to have going to, if you want to win the Super Bowl, there's six or seven teams that, like, wear the Phantom. And like, the Ravens, when you get to share. kicked out of you at some point on both units. And even if all the scores weren't awful, like they kind of got the crap kicked out of them after half-time we'd one.

You start to wonder if you're actually a crisis of 300. Like, that sleeps into your mind as a unit. And I think the Ravens are approaching that. You're one and three. Like, it is, I don't know. So it's, it's, it's, that is a shocking outcome to lose. Do you want to talk about a different mobile quarterback who might have a hamstring game?

You're goddamn right. Okay. He's been waiting for this so long. I think the New York Giants are clearly in one way the biggest winner of the day, because Jackson Dart looked awesome. Like the charges beat the charges, 21 to 18.

Dart looked good as a passer. He looked good as a runner. Like the giant, like Daible looks smart for taking him. It's one game. Like, I watch this game and I'm like, Jackson Dart is the future of my life.

And I hope he, as Bill says, like, I hope Jackson Dart's took my life for 15 years. And then Malik neighbors tours they see on the Giants are clearly also the loser of the day. So fucking brutal.

They got three drives together. Horrible. DART neighbors got three full drives together. Yeah. I'm like choking up. poor hyphins we felt so bad we were watching our Airbnb and it was like the non-contact he neighbors knew immediately hyphitz was silent for a little i mean just horrible i just started googling i was like i'll make this content and just started googling the highest quality

version i could find of simba trying to wake up mufasa and i was like get up malik but no but it was tough because the moment he went down and grabbed his name i was like well this is never i'm not seeing him play for a year, am I? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Dart did look really good. He looked, what I like about Dart is he's so confident, borderline cocky. Even like in the interview after the game, he was like, he sat down in the press and was like, hey, shout out Russell Wilson, man. Probably tough week for him, but like, he took it like a champ.

I love him. I'm like, you're a rookie. What are you talking about? Russ Wilson is a Super Bowl. And he's like, yeah, tough week for Russ. But like, hey, respect to you. He took it like a champ. I, dude, I got to say, I'm so sucked in by Dart.

He's like, this is my team. Dart being into the Anakin Skywalker thing, I couldn't tell, I think, between Abdul Carter loving Darth Vader and doing force jokes for Sacks, and then Jackson Dart being obsessed with Anakin Skywalker. A little lame. Yeah, the Anakin Skywalker. No, it's only lame if he loses. It's sick if he win.

I don't know if it is. I don't know if it is. Anyway, so Dart, just to go through it. So, again, the Giants won 2118 of the Chargers who they were. Which is actually shocking. Yeah, the Chargers were undefeated. Absolutely shocking. Giants haven't beaten the Chargers while Jackson,

was alive. They haven't been to the charges since 98. I mean, totally true. Incredible win. However, the Chargers are like a completely different team now. Joe All got carded off. They're two best tackles. Like two of the ten best tackles in the league were on the Chargers. They lost both of them. Rashon Slater, you know, before the season started, Joe Al, they were actually down three offensive linemen. They were playing three backups.

They're like, they look like the Chargers. And the Giants have an elite defensive line. The Chargers looked like, it's funny. Literally last week, we were like, the Chargers graduated from being the charges. They look like the old chargers today. Herbert under pressure, getting the shit kicked out of them, struggling to move the ball down the field. Like, they couldn't run the ball for a while until Hampton went.

Like, it looked like old shitty chargers again. But I still have to give credit. The Giants played great. And scataboo and Dart. The offensive tackles did not hinder Jackson Darts performance or whatever. Like the Chargers' offensive tackles are out, sure. But DART played against the defense. The Chargers defense has shredded everyone they've played, to be totally honest.

Darts good. So DART's good. So DART completed 13 to 20 passes. is 111 yards through touchdown. He also ran 10 times for 54 yards in a touchdown. I know the yard is just incredible, but it was his first time he completed a lot of throws. You're going to laugh.

And it was different game. Jones had more yards. But I actually think it reminded me a lot of Daniel Jones's first start, which sounds like a dig. But everyone has complete, the same way Derek Henry's first two seasons when he was like, whatever been memory hold. Everyone's memory hold why everyone was excited about Daniel Jones,

which was his rookie season was really good. His first start was really good. Jackson, this one reminded me a lot because I think as a passer, it was competent, he was cool, he was collected. I was impressed. There was two plays, one pass in particular, I think it was third and six, he was in his own end zone.

And he kind of rolled right and then motioned at the receiver to come back to him and then found an off-scheduled play in his own end zone. Didn't panic about a safety and he could have. And I was very happy. And again, the one part of Giants quarterback had been excited about the last five or six years

is like not having a statue like Eli. Like sometimes we can never go back to having a statue of golf or whatever. And so it's nice to have that. But then the running, dark it's a powerful runner like the touchdown he has good acceleration like the touchdown and the first drive was like touchdown up the gut

the acceleration's good but he's bouncing off guys he had this second and 10 I think where he just ran it kind of ran into a safety and just kept going through it ran for like 30 yards and then he was feeling himself too much and he tried to like stiff arm punch a guy in the face with his throwing hand and keeled over and he like he like slapped the guy in the head

like you're not maybe don't do that with you're throwing hand like don't be there getting it's a little reckless he's like almost too comfortable. He looked like an idiot. My impression of Dardard, I don't know why. I just feel like he doesn't seem

cocky to me. He seems just kind of oblivious. Or like aloof. Like he's like he doesn't actually realize the gravity of the situation that he's in. Which is kind of like an essential quality to really be. He's just out there. He's just out there playing. You know what I mean? We also can't stress. Like when is the last

time the Giants had a cool quarterback? Dude, it's, I mean, even Daniel Jones that no. Honestly, the joke was he was such a... What's the opposite of... Literally, he was named Danny Dimes because it was like... Get the edge out! Oh, yeah, so we got Cowell's Packers on right now

because it's in Ireland and honestly, this game started at 120 in the morning. So we really had to start. We couldn't wait for this game to end to start. Oh, did he not get in on the one line, one yard line, I think? So I would say, very encouraging start,

obviously beating the Charters is huge for the Giants. And the vibes are great, but he needs to do a better job of protecting himself clearly. Like, that play, he had to come out. And I think he was... And he killed over. And we were like, is it his hand injury?

Is it his hamstring? And they were like, no, it's his head. And I was like, I won't. Here's the deal. Dayball will not protect him. Do you remember what Dayball did with Daniel Jones? Dude, he almost got Daniel Jones murdered. We thought he was trying to get Daniel Jones hurt.

I mean, I, you know, I think. Dayball loves Jackson. Jackson, Darry. Did you see that? After the game, they're like, four head to four, they're taking engagement photos. They really, really love each other. Like, like in a field.

Yes, like, it was like, like, we're pregnant. Golden Hour. somewhere, yeah. The no-context guy is going to totally put on Instagram. I will say, though, so Dante Coppowitz Fleming had this great stat that Jackson Darts, the first quarterback with a passing touchdown, a rushing touchdown in 50 plus rushing yards, and his first crew start since Tim Tebow, who was really like, that tweet is a journey.

But it really was like the best quarterback in the Chicago football, Tim Tebow, if you think about it, so if you think about it, Jackson Dart, I mean, basically to be a hall of fame. I mean, Tim Tebow won a playoff game. First, the Steelers. That's right, Demaris Thomas. Yeah, he sure did. Jackson Dart wins a playoff game versus Steelers.

It's a Super Bowl win. It's so facto. I'm happy for you, Hyfitz. I'm also sorry. Dude, I got to tell. The league neighbors is horrific. If you have neighbors in your fantasy team, it's a, it's a black hole of agony. Like, this is neighbors.

Also, it's so talented right as darts coming in. Again, they had three full drives together. It was like the second or third target he got in the game. And now it's like his neighbor is going to be full strength for next season. and like it's earlier in the season, but still, like, and then you start having questions, like, neighbor's been hurt a couple times. Maybe he's been hurt a lot.

Yeah, which is like, you hate to see that. Neighbors had ankle injuries and concussions since week three of his rookie year and toe injuries. Like, there's a lot of nagging stuff down. You just hope it doesn't turn into like a longer term thing. I mean, honestly,

he got hurt 10 seconds in Craig's like, neighbors is O'Dell. Yeah. And I was like, fuck. Yeah. Because, like, everyone, I think O'Dell become a meme. I don't think people remember.

It's not just a catch. Maybe I'm, I can't tell if this is obvious. or I'm a Giants fan, so I know those people forget. Odell literally had the most touchdowns through 50 games of anyone ever, by like a lot.

He was electric. He was one of the best receivers I've ever seen. He was immediately fantastic. More than Gronk, more than Randy Moss. And then Odell had a high ankle sprain in 20,000. Bracey broke his ankle 2017. He was never the same play. And I mean, obviously, we're not there yet with Malik.

No, no, no. But it crosses your fucking mind. Yeah. You hope he comes back. And DARTA neighbors has a chance to be one of the coolest quarterback receiver combos in the league. It's like, you have Burrow and Chase. Dart, they're like,

Darts kind of swag and, and neighbors is like, it's pretty cool if neighbors can be healthy. Plus, scataboo, like the vibes could be really fucking awesome in New York. Yeah, no, it's got,

again, the Saints next week? Saints next week and then it's going to be like Eagles, Broncos Eagles where, yeah, so we'll see. But no, it was,

this was for a meaningless game for a team that won the playoffs about as full range of emotions as I'll feel, like watching the future with Dart, losing neighbors. There's a lot beating the charges. There's just a lot going on. Can we pivot to where the vibes are not awesome? I'm going to go with a loser. My loser today is the Tennessee Titans who lost 26 to zero to the Texans. Well, yeah, things are dark right now. How many, DK, how many touchdowns do you think the Titans have this year in four games? One. They have three.

Three. They have three touchdowns in four games. It's more than it feels like. Which is in dead last. The next lowest team is at six. They had zero. grow red zone trips today. This year, the Titans, they have 44 drives this year. Seven of them got to the red zone. Which is by far the worst in the league. Seven out of 44 drives just made it to the 20-yard line. That's bad especially because like 15.

The Saints have 14. The Titans have seven and 44 drives. One out of six is literally rolling a dice. Oh, my God. Yeah, I mean, they missed two field goals today, but it was horrible. They have three touchdowns and five turnovers through four. four games. Came Ward today, 10 for 26, 108 yards. I have been, have been sticking to Ward is good. And I do believe that he has the armed talent. I kind of just think, I think Brian Callahan needs to go.

And he makes crazy mistakes every single week. And the team is clearly not great. But I still do believe, I think, long term in Ward, but this team is terrible. And like, I apologize for the Calvin Ridley recommendation. I'm like, that's dead. I don't, like, maybe like down the road, but you can't play anybody in the Titans right now. No, it's just a bad offense. It was thinking Cam Ward could, like, be a rookie quarterback who could have a good offense. They can't get a first down. No, you can't.

It's just the ultimate. They don't have a run game. They don't have, they're really sloppy, a lot of drops. Yeah. Tony Pollard. Lack of talent. And we also, again, Bill Callahan, who's, again, Brian, the Nepo dad, but really the offensive line coach who for 30 years has kind of like improved every office line

he's been to. And this is the one where it's like, all right, well, kind of like, Pete Carroll with the Raiders. It's kind of like, all right, maybe he's, but, him out to pasture. I don't know. Well, no, I'm just saying Brian Callahan. It's just like, well, maybe that was wrong. Okay, fine. I guess it was messed up.

It's not, wait, who are you talking about? Bill Callahan. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying, I'm just saying he's, I don't think it's his fault. No, I don't. I agree. Honestly, it's son's fault. I think you'd rather take the blame that it's not. Well, I'm sure there's a lot of blame to go around, but like this is a hard watch right now. And it's specifically. I don't want the Texans off the hook, though. I know the Texans 1,

26 or 0. This game was 6-0. I know. It's like, entering the fourth quarter. I am not buying this as a revival of the Texans offense. The Titans played horrific and the Texans were up six nothing. This was a horrible game. Also, I'm sorry. This is what we thought it would be, but then at the end it got away from it. Hold on, wait.

This box score is worth, I actually want to read. This box score was absolutely stunning. It was too dark. I wanted, when neighbors got hurt, I was going to, as a joke, literally look into the sun. It was too dark. So I wanted, this is the Texans Titans box score today to start the game. Missed field goal, field goal, punt, field goal, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, miss field goal,

miss field goal, punt. That was the first three quarters. Yeah, those are the games that used to be overseas, you know? And they were like, why do you guys like this sport? That took four hours.

That's globalization is the good games are getting exported and then the bad games are in America. Yeah, I will say, I think the beginning of Cam Ward,

obviously different players, different prospects from a, like, hype point of view and everything, but Cam Ward reminds me a lot of, like, Caleb Williams' rookie year

where hopeless and lost our feelings that come to your mind? Like, he, you know what I mean? Like, I'm with you. I think I still believe in him, but it is so bad, especially from a fantasy point of view. I mean, not especially.

In addition to a fantasy point of view, you know, the only quarterback in the league right now who's averaging fewer points than Cam Ward through four weeks is Joe Flacco, who had negative points to them. Like, as somebody who starts Calvin Ridley and Tony Pollard every week, like I just like, I kept noticing.

I was like, they're never near the end zone. Like, I never see the end zone is never on the screen. you know, they're never close enough I'm like, I hope they score because I can't even see the end zone ever. Yeah, yeah. I can't even see it. It's like the horizon.

I need to pan that home. Is the field curved or flat? I can't even tell. Do you think they can see it? No. Jam Ward's never seen the end zone. It's a mirage. It's like when you're driving

and there's like a water on the road, you get close. You're like, oh, that was just like the sun. What is that, by the way? What? It's when you're driving and you see water And it's not on the asphalt, right? Heat on concrete

It's like no water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never learned that in school. How is that possible? And or evaporation. Yeah, like, when you look right above a fire, it like distorts your vision. Yeah, but the road's not on fire.

But it's really fucking hot. Heat waves are going off of it. They're reflecting off of it. No, but the black concrete. I just feel like I'm amazed by, I just never learned that. And I just don't, I don't think I ever learned that either. I think there's a lot of things.

We've established we haven't learned a lot of things that probably Oh, so you could just see. Named 10. What the fuck do you mean you get sea heat? Anyway. A bunch of cloud waves. Ways. One billion pounds.

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What was so over for you today? This is why the category was created. Yeah. Ashton Genty, who both qualified for It's So Over and we're so back in the same game. Yeah. I was ready to call it about a quarter of the game. I was ready. I was like in the ER ready to be like time of death.

I think you actually literally were like, I'm getting close. I was. I was like, we are minutes away from me ending this nightmare. I can't feel pulse. No. Yeah. The fourth down fumble, I was like, we are very close. And it was an ugly fumble.

So the Raiders handed off to Gentie. He got hit in the back fill. There was like a 500 pound effective lineman just like breathing over him flying. It wasn't just like a regular fumble. Well, I kept joking the whole Giants game. I was like, so when are we going to admit Cam Scatibu is better than Ashty? Oh, high fist. And then D.K. got like old school angry at me, like really mad at me.

I did not. I did not. But I did say short. You were annoyed. You were annoyed. You brought it up four times after that. Miss is not the right word. I was

irked, peeved Yeah, maybe peeved Disgruntled Yeah, pissed is very different I was put that Okay, sorry Now I'm getting pissed Nice

Um, yeah, High Fitz was, I think High Fitz actually genuinely in that moment And he probably still does A change the universe Very, very literally and genuinely

believes Cam Scatadadby was better than Ash and Gentie And he would rather have He was riding high Yeah And I was like, And I was like, objectively, that's false and wrong and you're wrong. And then they got in an argument where Hivez is like, well, you can't say that objectively

because you're basing that off your opinion. He said, no, I think I'm objectively right. Yeah. And I was like, oh, well, I was obviously doing. No, objectively, he's better. And Hivez was like, well, that's your opinion. He's like, no, that's objective. That doesn't make any sense.

No, I was obviously doing a bit. I was like, objectively, he's better. But then he, and then he like had, what, let's see, 23 touches for 155 yards and three touchdowns. He had 100 yards and two touchdowns at half times. say, well, the Raiders won today. Oh, wait, no, the Bears won 25, 24. Cam Scada but won today. I mean, details.

Ash and Jentzy lost the game. Probably because he fumbled. Running back won on the day, 32 fantasy points had 160 yards, three touchdowns. I want to say, I was not ready to write him off officially because I thought he sucked. I was just like, the Raiders situation, this whole thing is untenable. We also have to, and it's over. We also have to set the scene here.

And I wish we had set the scene of like when we're talking about the vibes. The vibes in Gentie were so bad that this morning, Carlos, who's here with us in Dublin, and, you know, I guess people haven't listened to what we're putting out Wednesday yet, but Carlos of not impressed with Guinness fame after being in Ireland for four days. And Carlos turns to us and is like, you know, I got Ashton Gent, this is before the game today, Steelers Vikings. He's like, I got Ashen Gentry and Kenneth Gainwell. And I'm really thinking about benching Jensen for Gainwell.

And we all kind of paused and we were like, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't bend Ash and Jennings. And then Kenneth Gawen goes and scores 31 points in full PPR. Kenneth Gainwell goes and has two touchdowns and 125 yards. We're like, oh my God, I can't believe that. Jackie, during the game, text us. Jack was so mad by the whole game.

Jackie also went to the, Jackie got a ticket. We were in the press box. Jackie got a ticket. Who's in the stands? Oh, sorry, my fiance. Jackie texted us and says, thank God I bench Gentie for Kenneth Gainwell.

Which is like insane that we knew two, like two people who are on this trip with that exact same dilemma. They didn't even know they both have the same decision. And we were like, what are the odds of that? Well, that just shows you dark times for Ashton Jente if you're thinking about Kenneth Gainwell. And the odds that those two people ended up being the top two running backs in the entire day is why fantasy football is ridiculous. Well, do you know why it happened?

Because they scored five for that sounds combined. No. I mean why Ash and Janty's awesome again. The stance. Changed his stance back to the Michael Myers like creepy. Psycho killer. Just like arms straight by his side. Oh my God.

Straight up before the snap. He looks like someone just told him that dinosaurs can't see movement. I think this is like the truest example of look good, feel good, play good. They tried to change his stance. He's like, this doesn't feel right. I can't run like this. And for some reason, that just like opened up holes on the Raiders' offensive line. I have no idea.

He has bounce in a step again. He kind of can't be tackled. No, he looked like he was made out of cement. He was throwing guys off his shoulders. He was ripping through arm tackles. I don't know if this makes any sense, but I went, I took skiing lessons a couple of years ago. in Park City, and I've never skied before. And it's really hard for me.

I'm kind of tall. I'm lanky. I've never ski before. And the center of gravity thing is real when you learn how to ski. And I remember like nine-year-olds just crushing me down the bunny slope. Because they're like,

they're like, little and they're compact and they're in the little like jack and dart. They don't know what to be afraid of. No balls. And honestly, that's what Gentie feels like to me. He's like a little skier, just like banging into things.

You can't knock him over. It's like bland. It's just coming down the mountain. I do think you're right. And also, so we, I mean, we did on last week's episode talk about Asch and Genty as a by low, basically because we didn't think it could get that much worse. And like, basically everyone who had him was, again, thinking about benching for Kenneth Gainwell, which weirdly ended up being a good idea and then a bad idea. But the point, and I wish we had been a little clear about this because we kept talking about all the yards before. I wish I had been clear about it about.

We kept talking about Ash and Genti had all these yards before contact. And we was getting, sorry, it was rather getting hit at the line of scrimmage and was like last. Negative yards before contact. Yes. Negative yards before contact. And I wish I had been clear about saying, but the few times he has gotten a hole, he looks great.

He's broken tackles. And I wish we had honestly been even clearer as saying, if they open up holes, he looks fine. I guess we did mention the Derek Henryish of like when he gets holes. He looks awesome. And even in the first half of this game, I was joking,

he had one good run. And we were joking that I can't wait for him to join a different team in four years and then like lead the NFL in 2,000 yards and get an offensive player of the year. And then the second half, it just kind of happened. But yeah,

he's he looks like a player that went in the top 10 in the draft and we didn't even blink and eye about him running running back maybe the big suck so would you so cam scataboo for gentie straight up what are you saying no i'm i'm i'm too dug in on the time i'm obviously i can't lose scatoll he's like a member of my family right can't even he's like you know how you know dara you know david car kept being like my brother's the MVP he's gonna like he'll go down as the most important player to any team ever. Yeah. Yes.

That's how I feel about Scadabu. All right. Gentie's going to go and like win Super Bowls and I'm going to be like, I think Scadabu was should have gone sixth. D.K., speaking of rookie running backs though, DK. Give us another, we're so back this week. I mean, Omar and Hampton. We're so back.

Great. We're so back. Obviously. We never left. I never left. I didn't leave, but I was worried about the usage and it seemed like they were actually going in the wrong direction for a little while there with with Najee Harris.

and the way that they were trusting him and wanting to use him. And then, of course, so in fantasy football, this happens a lot. Like a little bit of luck, obviously. And obviously, not luck, luck. Yeah, you know what I mean. Thank God, Najiris had the fireworks thing in the Taurus Achilles. Unlucky for Najee. One injury away from being good.

But when I say luck, I mean, for the people who are really depending on Martin Hampton to, like, have big numbers. You? That was lucky. Yeah, I'm the only one. Yeah. I know. But anyway. Yeah, he was awesome today.

But more importantly, he had incredible usage because Najee Harris is now out for the season. They were relying on him as their clear-cut workhorse back. And over the last two weeks, he is the number one running back in fantasy football. He just, like, can't be tackled. He's so big, strong. He's got, like, the Sequin thighs.

He had a 20-yard run today that I think he broke. I mean, he looks like, he looks like a little bit like D.K. Metcalfe when he gets going. Yeah, he just like, he's like Debo Samuel. Like, he, he, he, he's a torpedo. monster. There was a, the run he had where he just, there were two runs that were incredible.

One was the really long touchdown. Now, the other one, the 20, 25 yard run, you gotta look that up. He literally broke like nine tackles. It reminded me of this,

there's a scene in the Incredibles where Mr. Incredible, there's like all these black blobs that are being shot at him. And it's like a, they always remind me of Boba. Yeah,

yes. Honestly, it's like if bobas had black mold or whatever. And it's just being shot. And it looked like that scene where he was Mr. Incredible.

And he got like way further. than they ever realized that anyone could get. Yeah, there's only a few running backs who kind of had that ability. Like, Marshawn Lynch was like that. Where you, it's just like, he's just like throwing people off of you as you're running and no, Marion Hanson has that.

Marshall and Lynch had that kind of strength where when you, that story that his mom would tell that, like, she actually had, the doctor told her that she had twins and that Marshall Lynch absorbed the other twin. Yeah. And she was, and he was like, man,

you may have an exceptionally strong baby. And you're like, I believe that. It's an actual superhero origin story. Yeah. Like, for real. And yeah, at Hampton, you're like, Yeah, I wonder if that happened with him too. I think Hampton and Genti both have that quality.

And my way of always explaining it is just looks like they're made out of cement. Like, people just can't. They just bounce off of you. I think this is the key point, though. And we talked about this when we were watching these games earlier today. And I think it's important to say on the show. The reason this is important right now about Gentie being back and Omerian Hampton being back is that if you drafted these guys, you were kind of like, what the fuck for like somewhere between one and three weeks, especially with Genti until like, honestly, I don't know, six hours ago.

And you were really mad. And Craig made the point, the teams that win the championship don't always like start looking great. In fantasy. Yeah, in fantasy. Yeah. Or if the Ravens win the Super Bowl, the guy who's five and I never wins.

It's almost kind of disconcerting to start out hot. Yeah, 100%. You're just like, this doesn't feel real. But the point being. Unless you actually have like a legit. When I look at my teams this year, I think I have like 10. And I looked at teams and I had one of the, you have 10 teams?

Well, including Dynasty. but yeah, it's, I know, it's too many. It's, I know, it's upsetting. But the one where I was like, if I had to pick, which one of these is going to be, like, the best in week 17? It was the one that was, like, one and two. I know, it is weird sometimes. It doesn't always match. Like, this is the best roster, but, like, it's not, like, producing right now.

But, yeah, you want to peak later in the year. It's like in March Madison. Right. The team that's, like, wins the conference tournament before they go in, like, that's the team you want to bet on. And so if you have Gentie or you have Hampton or maybe possibly both, and you, you you listed us about taking rookies and your records won in three or two and two, but you won today? Just hold on.

Yeah, hold on. So you stayed with the, kept the faith. It's over. We're so back. I want to say we're just, we're so back again to special teams. The NFL special teams, the Eagles blocked a punt, like immediately the Patriots returned upon for a touchdown.

The Lions returned upon for a touchdown. Vikings blocked a field goal in this game, which almost mattered a lot. I mean, that would have been a total game changer. The Bears blocked the Raiders field goal with 33 seconds. seconds left. Again, the Raiders basically won. Sorry, the Bears basically won on a walk-off, more or less field goal block on the Raiders that really seemed to kind of reap beat Carol's soul. He looked really dead. He looked really upset.

He had like around his eyes, it was like a little extra red. Pete? He wasn't looking high. I think Pete losing in a special teams play, killed him a little inside. I think, I don't know if he'll be the same. That was tough. He'll bounce back. The Jaguars, but honestly, the most impressive one of all the special teams ones was the Jaguars who turned upon for a touchdown. I think was Parker Washington. Yeah. And Thomas Morsted, who is the Niners punter, kind of almost caught him.

I couldn't stop watching it. It was like D.K. Maccalf chasing down Buda Baker. Legitimately, there's like, how old is Thomas Morrissey? Well, I was going to ask us, how old do you, on that, again, on principle, every punter Jimmy is 35 plus. Right. How old do you think Thomas Morris says? This is a single bar.

Again, basically raced him in a 40-yard dash. I don't care. I don't. And you can tell him he's 25, he is 35. He basically raised him in a 40-yard dash. he's like a long striter. Whereas he was backward and the other guy was at full speed and then turned around and lost one yard over 40 years.

He was close. Yeah, he literally lost one yard over 40. Like it was really, really impressive. Maybe the play of the day somehow. Thomas Morsted is 39 years old. Get out of here. Which almost makes me be like, is Parker Washington slow?

Is Thomas Morsted? Is Thomas Morsted a freak of nature and we don't know it? Thomas Morsted, I mean, this punters are crazy. Brad Wing, who was a giant's punter a while ago, is like a bodybuilder. Like these guys, like they're athletes. but yeah, Thomas Borstead, I was kind of blown away. I can't even actually remember punters don't usually run the game.

He didn't catch him. He don't win the game. He was close. Ironically, Jaguars kind of won the game because of the punt return, but he didn't get him. But that was, I was kind of blown away to that. I got to find the video. I'm going to tweet it every day for a week. He was striding it out.

What in 1980. He was tall. Was he tall? He ran a 488. He's 6-4. He's a gazelle out there. He was probably the best high school, like, high school athlete his town has ever seen. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. 100%. Dude, he was taking the 2009 NFL draft. I can't. Go check that out. Go to my Twitter. I'm going to be promoting Thomas Morris' best play the day. Craig, who else is back this week?

Yeah, well, one more we're so back. Dude, the Falcons, Pennix, London, Pitts. The gang is back together. They had one bad week where they scored zero points against the Panthers. We don't acknowledge it. I refuse. Well, they had kind of a bad week before that, too. Well, was it?

When they finished dead last? I'm not factoring that into my model. Sure, sure. But Pennix looked good today. He had one bad pick, but outside of that, played really well. Drake London, 100 yards touchdown. Bejont-Robbins and 175 yards touchdown. Kyle Pitts, 70 yards touchdown.

Pitts actually looks good again. You know what I noticed about Pitt? Pitts? He seems happy. He's having fun again. I swear to God. Kyle Pitts's body language is different this year. He scored a touchdown, and he gave like this lion's roar.

He was so happy. He does not look like that for the last fours. he's happy. Yeah. Maybe that's because he's healthy. Right. Well, also maybe, again, I do think Pits, we are such idiots sometimes.

Like, we're like this guy's, and I understand that. I got Pits in two of my three leagues this year, baby. Pits, we're cooking over here. Pitts had the Terry McLaurin. I benched this week. I bench Pits this week. Yeah, but the vibes on your bench are so good.

Bench vibes are crazy. Dude. You're feeling great about next week. The Knicks. Pitts had the Terry McLorlin's, experience without the Terry McLaurin character reputation, so no one felt bad for him. People were just mad. Like, you were supposed to be good.

You ruined my team. Fuck you. But in reality, he had Desmond Ritter. He had, I mean, my God, he had Marcus Marioio, who quit on the team. He had Taylor Heineke, who's just a total journey. Towards MCL. He had, again, Kirk Cousins was good, and then Kirk Cousins got injured and couldn't

move and was the worst quarterback in the NFL, and then he fell off. And like, I just, it was so obvious that Pennix, even though he's raw as a real quarterback, like, Pennix is still by far, like, this is the best player fit it. Because Kyle Pitts is still a, kind of a deep threat wide receiver. Like, he's a down for the guy. Penix is pushing.

What was Pennix's yards per completion today? He had 20 completions for like 320 yards. Yeah, I'm looking at it up right now. So on the season, Pennix is, let's see, hold on it. He's yucking the ball. He had 20 completions for 350. And that works for Pitts. He hasn't been the case for Kirk Cousins and Mario.

Like, these guys can't do. They have the physical ability to do. This week he averaged, he was the third highest yards, attempted air yards per attempt. So basically like how far, how vertical you're going. This week it was third, most in the NFL. And then I think in the prior two weeks, it was one of the lowest.

He just wasn't passing the ball at all. Like the thesis behind him and the whole reason you take him is because he attacks downfield. He's aggressive. He's decisive. But they had that part of their offense was completely lost over the last couple weeks. And also, again, Pitts, the kind of player he is. He's exactly when Marcus Mariotta and Desmond Ritter

and hobbling Kirk cousins cannot participate. Like, Heineke, these guys can't get, and Pennix can. So I think it's legit. This whole conversation is an exercise in patience. Gentie. I think Caleb playing better. Pitts, Quentin Johnson. Like, we just kind of need to chill sometimes, Drake London.

So, yeah. I am a come-death Hopenheimer Award for players who went nuclear. I want to shout out Bucky Irving. this guy fucks he's the best he's like he the way he runs actually I'm going to combine this with another one that we do

which is sometimes it's Tom Brady quotes we haven't really done it lately because he hasn't done a whole lot this year that was like notable he's better unfortunately he's not good but he's not like a joke he's been working out in the offseason you can't force it yeah

but I think this is actually really applicable because the way that uh Bucky Irving runs is very unique it's like he's always sort of francing tiptoeing around, like, avoiding guys. He's very fast and explosive, but he's elusive. And he just has quicker feet to change direction and make guys miss than most other running backs.

Like the way he can stop his feet really quickly and change direction. He takes more steps. Yeah, 100%. And today Tom Brady said, and people were talking about this, he's so twitchy and on the balls of his feet. If Bucky Irving, if Bucky Irving had Doritos on his heels, they would never break.

I thought of you immediately. If he had Doritos on his heels, they would never break. He's always on his toes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. He didn't, somebody wrote that for him, right? There's no way he just thought of that.

You think Tom Brady's eating a Dorito? So, yeah, he definitely didn't think of that. How many Doritos do you think Tom Brady's eaten in his life? Tom Brady, I will say, I feel like he was in and off the off season. I think Tom likes to have a little fun. We saw him drunk with the trophy. Remember that? That was when he won a Super Bowl at 41.

He won a lot of Super Bowl. You know what I mean? Like, shit. Yeah. It's like every weekend. Yeah. I think Tom's a good time in the offseason. I think that's the,

I think he was so fucked up because that's the only time he drank in a year. He hasn't had a carb since the 90s. I haven't had a carb since 2003. Right, right. This is what I live with every day. Anyway, back to Bucky Irving real quick. 15 carries for 63 yards.

He had like a 70-something yard touchdown catch. Five catches for 102 yards and a touchdown. He is the RB 8 on the season. And I only think that's going to get better as they're, well, hopefully Tristan Worf's coming back and hopefully the offensive line starts to solidify a little bit because they've been really struggling to

run block this year. But Irving in the NFL right now is fifth in scrimaturge yards per game or among running backs. Yeah, Bucky's great. He's just awesome. And he just had a couple of runs today where I'm like, damn, this guy's so fucking good. My Oppenheimer nuclear guy who went nuclear guys, Pukidiku for the Rams. I mean, the Rams

doing okay this year. Yeah, he's doing pretty good. So, I mean, the Rams beat the game. It was a pretty a good game, but the Rams beat the Colts 27 to 20. And I mean, man, Puka in fantasy, I mean, it's funny when you're the number one receiver on the season so far, and then you also end up being the number one receiver in the week. So I mean, classic Puka game, 13 catches, 170 yards, touchdown, went to the locker room early, number one receiver in the week.

I think if you go to the locker room and come back, you should get an extra, like a bonus in fantasy. No, do you lose a point if you go to the locker room for the energy and get it back if you come back? You get, like, you put me through that. one, but you get two? Because I think there should be, I think I want to give people hope. When their player goes to the locker, I want them to think,

oh, if he comes back, like, maybe this will be a good thing. Maybe I can get more points from this. Buka would be even better than because he's like, yeah, they add like extra five points. Yeah. PPLV. Points per locker room visit. Yeah. PPLRV. It's fine. PPLV.

I kid. Yeah. Because Buka's like, otherwise, it's kind of a miserable experience where every game, you're like, is he bleeding? What muscle is hurt. Is he concussed? Pay-per-view.

It's point-per-visit. Point-per-visit. There we go. I kind of like it. That's not bad. Yeah. No, Puka would, I mean, his lead would be the larger. Right now.

Like, he's going full Cooper Cup. He's catching, like, 13 passes a game. The whole offense revolves around him. He's fantastic. Yeah. So Puka last, so Puka right now is averaging over 22 points for game. That's right around. Last year.

Last year, Jemar Chase won the triple crown. He averaged almost 20 points a game. Wow. Under 20, 19.9. Yeah. So he's actually just going. Pooker's an example of your probably, you might be four-no if you have Puka,

and the question's just like, can Stafford and Puka keep it up for the whole season? Like, it's just like a whole thing. It's like Puka just takes so many hits. He's no sense. It's like Jackson Dart. He still has no sense of self-preservation. Yeah, but.

My Oppenheimer Award, I want to combine it with the debutante ball for the player. God damn. Maturing in front of our very eyes. Horrific. Woody Marks, rookie on the Texans, the running back.

He looked great. They beat the Titans 26-0 today. And let me tell you, Woody Marks, the Texans run game situation is a mess. It was like Nick Chub, Darya, Agumbo-Waleigh. It was Damien Pierce going to be the guy that had his fifth round rookie Woody Marks. He was like, kind of only a receiving guy.

Could he be involved? He officially took over today. He was the RB4 on the week, 26 points. He had 21 touches in this game. He played 60% of snaps. But more importantly... Why was Chub did he didn't get banged up during the game? I don't believe so.

Because Woody is clearly... He's better. He's got more... juice. Yeah. And what I want to say. He makes Chubb look like slow motion. Totally. The most important stat to me that I looked up, he played 51% on first and second down

some snaps. So it's like he was not just like the third down guy to mixing in. He's already starting to, he played more on first and second down than Chub did. And it's week four, and this is a fifth round rookie. So it's like we've talked about him last week for the waivers episode. We're going to bring him up again at the end of this episode. But I do think he looked great today. And he clearly is the best running back on the Texans and will be.

And he's a great. teamingback. And I actually thought he passed protected very well, which really matters. That's why a lot of young rookie running backs don't play. So he just seems like an early gem of the fantasy season. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I totally agree. Especially the Texans' offense doesn't suck. And again, I think the Woody Marks thing might be a little bit of a

trap because there's a chance. You probably didn't play him today. You'll play him next week. And then you'll remember, oh, yeah, the Texans offense kind of sucks. They had six points against the Titans team through three quarters that could not move the ball into Texans territory. So having said that, he's just starting running back and you're having on your team. So I think, I mean, yeah, if you have a woody marks, he looks great. So next up, here we got fart or shart? America's favorite segment.

American's favorite segment. Daniel. What's up? Daniel Kelly. Stop asking me. I won't. It's the same answer. What do you mean?

It's always a fart? Well, okay, this guy's been fart in all goddamn season. One of them is going to cause a stain. A.J. Brown. He's to adjust his, maybe he's lactose intolerant. What are those things you take? Have it's lactate. Lactates.

Yeah, AJ Brown needs it needs a fantasy lactate. Lacket is the difference of Sude a farter shot, honestly. Yeah. That's true. Get him, we need to get him some fantasy lactate. Fantasy lactate. The Eagles win 31 to 25 today over the bucks. Eagles scored 31 points.

You'd probably be excited about that for Mr. A.J. Brown. Yeah. Wrong. Two catches seven yards. This man. Wrong. This man has two games this year with one point. We've only played four games.

Two of them he has one point in. another one he had five. He had the one 20-point game where he was mad, they fed him the ball. The targets, whatever. I guess technically Jalen Hertz threw to him like nine times. I don't care. He has no points this year. He's unstarted.

He's one of the worst wide receivers in fantasy football right now. So today, two catches seven yards. Fart. Fart. Fart. So then three farts in four weeks? Yeah. What did he eat?

Tell him. look at me and tell me why this is happening. What's going on? Look at me. I've never had AJ Brown and fantasy. I always thought he was awesome and every year he's awesome. I guess the question is. Why is he bad?

What's going on? Eagles are four and oh. Bad luck. That's not what's happening. Dallas Goddard has like five touchdowns this year. Do you think he's the best fucking receiver on their team? Maybe. No, he's not.

He's the best one in fantasy? You think it's going to keep going that way? It's been a month and he's bad. He had one. He had one guy. good game. Right. So it's been three weeks.

One good game. Eagles are undefeated. Eagles four and up. Okay. So what are you suggesting that you want to sit him next week then? Yes. Okay. Go ahead.

I still think he's one of the best receivers in the NFL and he had nine targets today. It's bad luck. Okay. So with that note, I have a new segment. That was not what I wanted. I have a new segment. I have a new segment here. You won't even look at me.

I have a new segment here. It's called two wide receivers on Washington commanders who outscored AJ Brown and a lie. All these players are on Washington. Look for Jeffrey, for sure. Well, I'll just name all four. I mean, obviously, Debo's there, but that's a free space. So here, three.

No, I'm not counting Debo or Luke McCaffrey. Oh. These are three other Washington wide receivers, two of which outscored A.J. Brown. Well, it's not hard to outskirts. I almost outscored A.J. Brown. All right. I almost did, technically.

Okay. Chris Moore. Jalen Lane. Don't know who that is. Tay Martin. Don't know who that is. Jalen Laine's. good specialties player.

He's really making a difference. Chris Moore, Jalen Lane, Tate Martin. Two of these guys did outscore. I don't think I've heard the name Chris Moore in a really long time. So I'll say Chris Moore is the fake. Or they all did. Chris Moore did not outscore

A.J. Brown. But Tay Martin did. As did Jalen Lane. Tay Martin had one catch for 14 yards and he outscored A.J. Brown. Double the yardage. 14 yards. Twice as many yards. is AJ Brown.

Okay. You know what? No, no, no. I know what this smugness is. You don't have AJ Brown. I'm going to trade you, AJ Brown. What are you talking about smugness? You're like, you don't give a shit. I'm not being smug about this. But you were really mad that O. and Hampton. You were thrilled that a Noggy Harris tore his Achilles. You're like,

thank God for that luck. It's because you have Amerian Hampton. You're not even in this league with me and I'm still going to trade you AJ Brown. I have AJ Brown in several leagues. Of course, we have everybody in several leagues. Who would you play if you are if you're O.N. 4. If you're O and four. He's so tired.

I know. If you're O and four. What he wants me to say? What actually, what actually do you want me to say? Would you play Wondell Robinson? He sharded. Thank you.

There you go. Just say it. Fucking say it already. Tell the truth. Fine. He sharted, but I don't think you should like drop him. That doesn't that's not what shart means.

No one fucking said drop him. What does shart mean then? Would you play Wondale Robinson? I thought shart means you're like done with it forever. Shart means this is a real problem. Hit nine targets to them. He had nine targets. He was like eighth in the NFL in targets today.

You didn't plan. Do I get points per target? No, but it is indicative of how he's being used in an offense. And therefore, things are going to even out of it. You want to know how he's being used in the offense? 68% of his targets are less than 10 air yards, which is way higher than every other year. He's not, they're not throwing in the bowl deep. What are you going to say about that?

It'll change. Things will change. Okay. Yeah, they're four now. Or maybe they won't. I don't know, Craig. I can't see the fucking future. Let's take it.

Let's take a break. I think we all need a break. Get some air. This episode is brought to you by American Eagle. I've got some hot picks for you guys. You heard it here first. American Eagle just launched the second drop of their exclusive limited edition collab

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to luxuriously soft sweaters and more. You can check it all out at A.E.com or just head to the store. When you said I've got some hot picks for you guys in the American Eagle Read, I thought I was like, oh, are you recreating the Sydney Sweeney campaign? I literally have to read it verbatim. Yeah, I was like, oh, I'm excited to see what you have in store for me.

The calendar, perhaps. They let us like have fun with these ads. We could rock it. But like, man. Oh, we could rock it. But, uh, I was like, it'd be funny if we kept that. I know we shouldn't.

Oh, I wanted to keep the hot picks thing. I thought we were, I thought we were doing the show. Fuck it. Keep that too. Can we mess with the ads? Can we do that?

No. Well, the ad was done. And then I was done. He was a riffing. I was riffing. I was riffing. I thought it was funny.

You said, let's keep it. That's funny. You said, I've got some hot picks for you guys for American Eagle. And I was like, oh, let's, yeah, keep it. Like, let him behind the campaign. I yeah hot picks yeah

are we keeping this I don't what I wouldn't say anything bad whatever yeah keep it no that's fine you're being smug over here you're mad I said you were smug you were being smug you were mad I said you were pissed well we can't say anything about you so sensitive

Dika's got some hot picks for us you can't just go around calling people mad you're not smug you're not pissed No no he's not upset don't put it on the internet he's upset DK do you have any intrusive thoughts after today no smugged.

No. Yeah, I wrote one down for you. You said, I actually said this out loud. Oh, my. You were watching one of the, did what just happened.

Matthew Golden just got annihilated. We're still watching the middle of the Packers Cowboys game because again, we couldn't wait till four in the morning to start the show. It's 13 to 2, by the way. The Cowboys returned an extra point

for two points, which is just incredible. Yeah. But we were watching the late slate, and the E.K. was watching probably like Niners Jaggs or something was going. I guess Thomas Morrist was chasing down.

of Jaguars punners. Just take your eye on it. Yeah. And then Gino threw a pick and Dicke looks over and says, did you, and I wrote it down, quote, did Gino throw a pick? Man, he's kind of bad. He literally was like, Gino's kind of bad. And then you said, and I quote, I spent all summer thinking the Seelks made a quarterback

downgrade, maybe I was wrong. I mean, the dude can't stop fucking turning the ball over. Just he needs to stop this. Immediately. But it is actually a problem each and every week. It's like Pete Carroll hates turnovers. Absolutely abhors turnovers. We need a word.

Gino had three interceptions in a game the Raiders lost by one point. And there needs to be a word for when the margin of you lost by is less, you had more turnovers. Like that is the definition. That's the most winnable game there is in the NFL or in any level of football. You had more turnovers than points you lost back. Genoa has seven turnovers in the season, which is second only to Joe Flacko.

The Raiders are bad. He threw for 117 yards today. You can't have 117 yards and three picks. Here's the thing, though. I acknowledge that Gino's played poorly, but also, like, less than a year ago, we were watching Gino go toe to toe with the Lions' offense on, like,

Thursday football game. And I'm like, I saw him play so well so recently. You know who's just gone completely under the radar this season? What the fuck is up with Chip Kelly in this offense? Yeah. And I'm like, Chip Kelly is just coaching the Raiders' offense. I don't want to pretend to have like a great understanding of what the hell he's trying to do. I understand the personnel and the Raiders is tough.

Like the Raiders. Protection hasn't been good. No, the protection has been good. The offensive line's bad. Like it's easy to criticize from our like we work we're recording this from in Dublin. I will say though like I understand the offensive line again. They could not block last year. But just Chip Kelly, it was like cool to be like, Chip Kelly, he's a coach.

And then the offense is awful and no one brings him up. It's like, Gino's fault. I'm like, I don't know. He's, no one's ever really said his name. year. I can't remember last time someone said his name. Gino has been pressured 57 times this season, which is 29th among all quarterbacks. So it's obviously, and he's been pressured at a 40% rate.

So obviously there's a lot of issues. Part of that's him. The same reason, Hafeitz thinks that Ashton Jenty's worse than Camps Gabu. So obviously there's an environment issue here, but he needs to please stop doing this for my sake. No, it's just random. It's fine. It's just bad luck. But isn't it nice?

Doesn't it make you feel good about the Seahawks getting rid of him? Doesn't it make me feel good? Yeah. I mean, I feel good about where these two teams are now. Yeah. Like, wouldn't you feel way worse if Gino's like the MVP candidate right now?

Yeah. Yeah, like hypothetically if your team had like cut the quarterback because he was doing so poorly because he won like, I don't know, two of the last 15 games. And then went to this other team in like Indiana or somewhere and then just like won three games

and everyone was obsessed with them. Like that would probably make you feel hypothetically kind of shitty. I think what I really feel the most is that I've been very impressed with Sam Darnold, and that's cool and great. Would you say you're pissed about Gino? Smug? It took a second. You know what actually is like the worst?

It's like when people accuse you of being mad and then you can't say anything about it. Yeah, totally. It is actually the worst thing. I'm not mad. Well, you guys are like, high fits, you argue a lot. You disagree with people a lot. And I'm like, ah, Bob. You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?

Yes, I do. Are you mad? No. You're right. Oh, Matthew Golden running back. Is Matthew going to run the wrong way? Motherfucker. Make it look stupid.

God damn it, Matthew. My intrusive thought is that Quentin Johnson is just the best receiver on the Chargers and that we have to listen to what these teams are telling us. We have to listen to what Justin Herbert is telling us. This isn't even an intrusive thought. You believe this. Yes. Well, at this point, you can believe in an intrusive thought.

At this point, it's fully, you're... I want you two to believe it. You're preaching the choir. You keep acting like we're not. I think we're at the point where we have to ask whether Quentin Johnson is, just like the best pick you could have made at receiver in the in September? Or is he just going to be like maybe one of the three or four single best picks you could have made in all fantasy football this year? Because like we're in that conversation with Quentin Johnson.

Like he's a top five receiver in fantasy football. You got him outside probably the top 100. He's about as good as it does. Say that again. He's the wide receiver four in the league. And the people ahead of him are Puka Nakua, Amon Ra. Roma Dunzei and Quentin Johnson and then Mecca and Jigba for Seattle. I will say it would have been pretty,

you really, really, really easily could have had a team where you had a Dunezay, Johnson, and a book, or at least two of those guys. Yeah. Like, pretty effortlessly. So if you just kind of gone in on first round picks that had different situations. I definitely agree with Craig that I don't think Quinn and Johnson is going away. He's actually playing very well.

Right. For the most part. Yeah, I'm worried about Ladd. Would you say he's objectively better than Ladd-McConkie? No, I wouldn't say that. Would you say he's subjectively better than Ladd-Bacconki? Sure. He's objectively scoring more points

to Labelicao. Yeah, there you go. Almost three times as much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I give you... You didn't need to have that on. Can I give you one more entries of thought?

I had... I actually was thinking about AJ Brown and how, like, he gets mad when he doesn't catch enough passes even though they win. I think that's fine. I think it's okay to be upset. Even when you're winning.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's okay to be upset when you don't have a great game and your team wins. Well, the thing I think about a lot with AJ Brown, I think this is going to come out during the season.

Because I wish I had quote in front of me, but he said something fascinating. I'm obsessed by the, like, the rigors of, like, a championship put you through and, like, how losers of a Super Bowl feel because it's like, it's just a crazy situation. And A.J. Brown described after winning the Super Bowl, he said saying he went to his locker and he basically was like, put his head in his hands and he was like, I felt nothing. And I'm like, motherfucker, I ain't never heard nobody say that about winning a Super Bowl. Like, I have never heard anyone say I felt nothing about winning a Super Bowl.

And, like, I've heard people say, I felt empty three or four days later. he was like at the locker. Even Aaron Rogers was like, it was the best moment of my entire life. Right, because Rogers did say like, well, that's all there is, huh? Tuesday, I was like, what, that's it? McVeigh, it's like Tuesday, that's it.

AJ Brown's like 10 minutes later, and he did have a great game. And he was, and I thought that was, because like, he felt that way in the Super Bowl. He had the whole season to work on it, and now he's getting less of the offense. Like, I think intrusive thought, if I'm a receiver or whatever,

and I'm in the Super Bowl, and the options are, I have $200, 10 yards and three touchdowns and we lose by three or we win the Super Bowl and I have zero catches. I honestly think I might take the former. No fucking way.

It's an intrusive thought. Intrusive thought. Yeah, that's fine. Part of me is like, you know what? Then you're the hero of the team. Everyone's like, well, it wasn't Craig's fault. Craig was incredible. Remember that Super Bowl? My God. He was amazing. You're saying Julio Jones would rather have had the 28 to 3 Super Bowl where he quietly had one of the best performances

in the history of the NFL. But, Lou, that had no catches in the Falcons win by 40. That's my intrusive thought. Julio Jones, if you were listening, can you settle this for us? And I think receivers the perfect position. Yeah, that's actually.

Psychologically, receivers have more in common with basketball players than like offensive linemen because you need the ball. And frankly, they're doing a lot of work that doesn't get, they're like icebergs.

90% of the job is not on camera. Like part of me, the NBA finals that I think about LeBron the most in is almost like the 2017, 2018 Cavs ones when he was just like put the entire team on his back.

Is that the Jerry Smith one? where J.R. Smith, that was like an all-time meme one. Yeah, when LeBron was averaging like 45, 12, and 13 a night. Yeah. Dude, that's like... People were saying he should have won finals MVP. They lost. Yeah, he should have.

He by far was supposed to have a player in this. That's the sweet spot right there. You want to win MVP, but lose. Finals MVP. All I'm saying is I kind of did it. I wasn't the problem. You did the Jerry West? Like, if you score zero points or whatever, you have zero catches in, like,

your entire locker room's, like, jumping up and down, like a little bit of you was like, God damn it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, now we know what kind of teammate Craig is.

Yeah. Look, we're all human beings here. Don't fly. Everybody has that too. Other intrusive thoughts? Maybe right. Dude,

the family guy joke where Cleveland's just like, he's like, Peter, you're my friend at all, but I really wanted you to fail. Yeah, totally. Any other intrusive thoughts that he would add?

Um, the only, I had a thought halfway through the Chiefs game where I'm like, Xavier Worthy is just going to lead the NFL career in penalties created or whatever, like whatever, like penalties against him. Because every time anyone touches him,

he literally just goes flying. It looks unnecessary. Like a rag doll. Like his legs are like above his head. Yeah. Like at all times. He looks like a crash dummy. He just gets thrown about.

It's like a slapstick comedy when like, you know, they insert like the dummy. like the dummy halfway through the shot, you know, and like it falls and it's like falling very unnaturally. That's like every time

Xavier Worthy touch. It's like, yeah, just like that's what I'm safe where worthy looks like. I'm like, I'm scared. He needs to protect himself.

There's a scene of naked gun where like the, Priscilla Presley, they like grab her and like drag her up the stairs at a baseball stadium and it's clearly a puppet and they're just like thrashing left and right.

But you're right, they call the unnecessary roughness unworthy twice. And each time you're like, he's so, he's 100 and it's just got tackle. He's so small. What did he do?

For the Friday show, I Googled his weight because I wanted to see it. And it came up because it's so funny on the internet works. I googled it. And it just said 75 kilograms. I was like, that's such an it. 75 kilograms. I can't really that close to 100. Three quarters of the way there.

Play of the day. I think the best play of the day and the worst play of the day, the same play. And it's 80 Mitchell's 70-yard catch and run for a touchdown. That was this incredible, like one-handed, contested catch spun around. it like with his inside hand? Yeah, with one hand. It was nuts. Spun around, like broke down the sideline and then pulled the Deshawn Jackson.

Like the ball slipped out of it. He didn't even like drop it because he was celebrating. He was trying to celebrate and then failed to try to celebrate. He was still in front of him. They just kind of slipped right out. It's like when you just drop your phone and accidentally kick it. Like accidentally like punch it. You're playing out of your pot. Yeah, you just hit it further. I've done this. I've almost done this so many times. You're just standing there and all of a sudden you're like,

and like you like punch your phone and it goes flying 12 feet. It's why the Colts lost to the ranch because of that. Yeah. Punch the ball. Also they lost by seven points. Yeah, literally. Like that changed the whole game.

It's so brutal, man. You're right. I don't think we've ever had to play the day be the worst play of the day as well, but he came as close as it could possibly come to winning a game that actually lost. It's kind of the encapsulation of A. Eddie Mitchell as a player. He also,

Jonathan Taylor did the Lish. It is the encapsulation of Eddie Mitchell. Other plays of the day, I just want to shout out. I do want to, I think it's important to mention. the Eagles doing the tush push and they

twice. They, I have been waiting for this. They, they did it like once last season, but they're now building off iterations of it. I'm not going to lie, this is actually kind of how football started.

Now they're doing tricks on it. It's good. They're not tricks. I mean, this is how football started. It was like push forward and then all plays iterated on, well,

they're going to do that, we'll do this. But this is like the, the fucking amoeba. that like the amoeba of football is tush push push became like oh have the guy running horizontally actually take it and then all football sprouted off it like into life the big bang of yeah so honestly the plays the eagles are going to run

are legitimately going to be from 1909 should the eagles only run the tush push should i think it would be shockingly good offense be in that formation and just run everything off that it's like basically going back to like army triple option it goes back to walter camp Like, this is literally, like, they're a place from 115 years ago that will work for them. The play they ran today is kind of 110 years old. I'm sure AJ Brown loves that. Is AJ Brown sitting and like...

Touch push again, huh? Kevin Petulah is showing them some video from like when Teddy Roosevelt was president. And AJ Brown's like, fuck. He's going to have the book on the field. Yeah. He's just reading. In his back pocket. This is a problem.

Honestly, Bryce and Deschambo can golf with that thick fucking. yardage book in his pocket that Agent Brown can play. You know how people are getting mad at dudes now for performative reading? The first page of every book he's ever been handed. What's your favorite part of the book? Kind of every chapter was awesome.

Google LeBron reading books. It's the funniest meme. Every time LeBron is photographed with a book that clearly like Rich Paul has handed him moments earlier, he's on the first page of every book he's ever been photographed. Carlos tells us that they're announcing the Super Bowl half time show at half time of this game. Oh.

Oh, prediction. Can I give you prediction? Is it? Yeah. It's not Taylor Swift. I don't think he's Swift. If they're doing it now, I don't think it's Swift.

If they will, it'll break our brains. Miley Cyrus? That's my prediction. She just released an album a week ago, right? Yeah. Why do you think Miley? So why do you think Miley? She doesn't tour.

And I think this is the type of situation that she would do. She, like, is not big into touring. My, Liz, my wife loves Miley Cyrus. She has a quote that she's like the reason I don't tour is because my outfits don't fold. She's like, and I think that's like happy. She's awesome. Yeah, she's kind of a weird.

She's kind of a kooky gal. But yeah, I think this makes perfect sense. It's in California, it's in San Francisco. She has her album. It's like a way to promote it without having to go on tour. I think it makes sense. So you really think that Taylor Swift's sourdough shit was nothing? People who listen to this are either like, high fits is a genius because it's been

announced than they know, or he's like, wow, that guy's an idiot. No, I mean, I do. Taylor Swift is very intentional. but, and I do believe the sourdough thing was weird, but I don't know, I kind of don't think she's doing the halftime. We'll see. Anyway, well, I guess people listening are going to know, so we can just keep rolling and we'll come back to that.

Do you think because the Chiefs won today? Yeah. Oh, my God. That she called Apple and was like, hey, well, this is actually in now. No, but like that. Maybe. I mean, maybe. This is a huge Sunday and football game.

This is Cowboys Packers. So she can't back out. Right. I don't know. We'll see. Maybe. Worst play that, well, let's keep rolling out. We'll get to that.

Play of Adi Mitchell. Yeah. The Arthur Smith, Sean Hockey Award for the coach or ref to pitch you off. I just want to mention speaking to the 80 Mitchell play. The first replay they showed was like from the five or 10 yard line. So the whole point, did the ball cross the goal line before? And then so the first angle, it's like, you can't tell because it's like, well, with the angle, I don't know. And then the other one's from the back of the end zone.

From the angle, I'm not sure. I'm like, the NFL is 30, like, the Sunday football is like 100 cameras. Super Bowl has like 200 cameras. Regular games are like 20 or 30. Why does each end zone not have a camera on the goal line on each side? That's like I am always every time they're trying to show me a goal line angle that isn't on the line. I'm kind of like, why do we, how is that possible? Why is the camera four yards off?

That's so unhelpful. Yeah. Am I crazy? Do you guys ever think this? Oh, I totally. So mad about it. It makes you're pissed. I didn't say pissed.

I'm not pissed. Uh-huh. Don't say I'm pissed. It makes too much sense for the NFL. There still has to be, there always has to be something that you can be mad about. You know what I mean? I actually think they kind of do that on purpose. Sure.

Yeah. If the NFL was too perfect, yeah, exactly. Like when you make a movie, you either want it to be good or terrible, but you don't want to just feel nothing. So they want you to talk about it. Kind of like age your brand after winning a Super Bowl. Exactly. So read your book.

Yeah. You're not tweeting unless you're pissed. This is the exact. Yeah. It's the exact type of thing that dads want to talk about. And dads is a big demographic that they're trying to reach. Craig had a dad moment today when Craig was just like giving us directions from the stadium, but like not on its own.

Just like, we're going left up here. Yeah. Craig actually just did it off the dough. Craig just got to did it off the... We walked here and I remembered how to get back. I'm like a good sent the direction. I don't know why. He knows where he's going.

You're like a fucking carrier pigeon. You return home. Remember when we learned how carry pigeons work and then forgot? Because I bet none of us could explain that. Right. That happens a lot with us, actually. Stadium pulse of the week, which again is just basically like the kicker. He just got out of the moment.

It was a little too big. This was like the type of... This is the same thing Craig was feeling when he just knew how to go home. Cam Little, the Jags kicker. That's his name, right? Yeah. Dad move. It sounds.

Dad move is not knowing. Cam Little sounds wrong. I don't know why. That just did not sound right. DK called this kick, by the way. Yeah. So it was 26 to 21 at the time. There was three minutes and 32 seconds left.

And the Jags lined up to do a kick, which would have basically not sealed the game, but it would have made it like a much tougher situation. And the announcers like, the winds have been swirling. They've been given these kickers all kinds of problems all day. I was like, there's no way he's fucking making. He spins around his chair. He's like, he not got me. And he missed it.

So I felt pretty good about that. I knew in the moment he couldn't rise above the fan poles. The stadium pulse. Yeah, they still beat the Niners. The Lucille Blufe, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it a word. One, I mean, again, Kenneth Gainwell, nearly as many points today as AJ Brown does whole season.

What a fucking joke. What a joke. But the other one. AJ Brown's in the prime of his life. He's 28 years old. The year I'd take him, it's over? he's 28. Stupid.

It's so dumb. I'm the one that's pissed. It's so dumb. The other one, the Patriots beat the Panthers 42 to 13 today. So this one's twofold is the Panthers beat the Falcons 30.

The NFL, one of the weirdest things about it. Transitive. The Falcons lost to the Panthers 30 to zero. Like the Panthers 1-30 to 0 and then lost today to the Patriots by 29, which is bad. But then this one, I couldn't believe this.

The Patriots lead the NFL in offense of success rate. And success rate. is basically how often are you moving the chains? Like basically how often are you getting enough yards that you're like on schedule? Successful plays. How often your plays getting enough yardage? So did you get five yards of first down?

Did you convert a third down? Right, right, right. The Patriots lead the NFL in success rate. This is why you can't trust that. There's no way that's correct. Yeah. And yet. This is why I'm all about gut.

Gut health. Why you don't look at directions? Yeah. I guess in all fairness, they play the Raiders, the Dolphins, the Panthers. I think that's explained a lot of it. you know, but regardless, I just, I don't, I don't know, I won't acknowledge that. No, we're not.

I beat the Panthers. Panthers and Titans, I think it's clearly the worst teams of the NFL. Even the Saints today, I thought were much better. So with all that said, and we're going to get the waivers here at a second. We have to do the burn book. I'm not a lie. Let's just, AJ Brown should be the bird book. Well, hold on.

Let's recap. Week one, Jalen Wattle. Next week, you scored a touchdown. Week two, Mark Andrews. Next week, he went absolutely nuts. Week three, Isaiah Bacheco scored a touchdown. week four. We have to burn AJ Brown.

He's destroying people's lives. Yeah. Okay, well, that's a bit dramatic. Case in point. Look at me, Carlos. Our corporate producer is dying every week. Carlos seems like he's doing just fine. AJ Brown has two games with one point.

Okay. I can just tell of his 30 leagues, he has like two AJ Brown leagues and not like 12. What do you? Who did you bring to the burn book party? I didn't do that. Okay. We can do it.

It's fine. What the? He's going to score a touchdown next week. Oh, what? It's 2.30 in the morning and you're tired. Okay. Well, we were doing stuff for 15 hours straight. Oh, okay.

We were at a game. We were at a game 12 hours ago. Ooh. It should be AJ Brown. I don't know. The other person I would honestly nominate is Calvin Ridley. Calvin Ridley's like, yeah. Because Calvin Ridley, you're kind of like, should I cut him?

He's unplayable. This year he has scored 4-7-3-4. Yeah, Calvin Ridley. Didn't you say he was a buy low? Yeah. Well, that was low. Well, you're really low when you can pick him off waivers and someone else cuts him. Well, I feel like we have to decide what is burn like Burnbook is like Apex Mountain where it's like burn.

Burnbook doesn't mean drop this player never at him again. He's dead or does it? We don't know. I think we should burn Calvin Ridley. Like we're mad at him. Like, it's tough. Like he's making, you like the- I'm also mad at AJ Brown. I'm more mad at AJ Brown because I spent more draft capital on it.

AJ Brown was a second around fucking. We definitely in the past wouldn't have burned AJ Brown. yet. Like it's, it's closer. It's somewhere closer to what Bill and Salad was like cross-offs. Are we burning Derek Henry? No. No. But at least he, I mean, he had a lot of points

a week one of these. AJ Brown had 20 in week three. One week ago. Well, the two before that were a disaster. Okay. But the funny part is he lost his feet not a week ago. Did he give you lost?

I beg to differ. Mr. Gilmore accomplished that defeat not but an hour ago. Well, good for happy deal. Oh my God. So who do you think it should be? I think I actually would not play Calvin Really at this point. I'm going to continue playing AJ Barrett.

I will say the Titans, it's been the terrible schedule. If you do believe in the rookie bump, or of like the second half rookie thing, it could be okay, but you cannot play him. You can't. Like you need to wait for back-to-back good weeks before you consider playing him again. I would think.

For Ridley. For Ridley. Yeah. Well, now that we said this, do you just play them next week? This will be the ultimate test. Right. You're right.

All right, no, don't play Calvin for the next week. Also, this, Cowboys Packers, you think it's quite the catch there at the one yard line. Oh, wow. And then they'll probably get a score and go for two. Such classic picking shit. All right, let's get to waivers. We're not going to have a Monday show on waivers or Monday football this week

just because we're flying back from Dublin. So we're going to just try to do our best right now. It's Sunday night. So obviously take with a grain of salt because, you know, the Sunday football game isn't even necessarily over. Monday at football is two games. So there are like, I guess, four, eight, ten quarters that still need to happen.

So keep that of mind, obviously, you have more information on what happens than we do. With that said, we're not going to do trivia right now and everything. I could do dumb trivia if you guys want it. But like, I think we just basically talk through players that you should add that are there available. So just brass tax cutting out the bullshit.

Yeah. What he marks for the Texans is if he's available, obviously go get him. Like running back, like he's the starter. He's going to overtake the chub. He's playing the Texans office, whatever. If Woody Mark's available, go get him. Kenny Gainwell, obviously Kenneth Gainwell had like a top two day at running back. Like go get Kenneth Gainwell.

you don't need to do that. I would focus way more on Woody Marks. Jaylon Warren was ill. And I, he had, his knee was bugging him, apparently. Oh,

I thought he wasn't feeling well. He said it did, he practiced on Saturday or something, and he couldn't get through it. He didn't feel right. Oh, okay. Maybe he's a little bit more of it.

Similar to Woody Marks. I think Kendry Miller for the Saints looks. Yeah. It looks good. I remember when Sequin came back from that his knee injury and didn't look the same that first year. And I remember confusing with Wayne Galman. And I think Kendry Miller and Camera

had the same energy sometimes where I'm like, the way, Kendry, he had a great touchdown run today and Kenjee Miller just looks good. Yeah, he does. And I do think also, I do kind of wonder with this way the Saints season's going, if Camara, either he personally would play through injury, if the Saints are going to want to see Kendry Miller play. So I think Kendry Miller's going to play more and more for a garbage time.

And then Justice Hill for the Ravens, who, I mean, had statistically an incredible day. I mean, Justice Hill. 120 yards, two touchdowns. And it's one of those, like, obviously that was because the Ravens were garbage time and the bar was hurt and they kind of benched Derek Henry. At the end, having said that, if Kenneth, gainwell for the Steelers can go and be the number, get 30 fantasy points basically, or 25 plus fantasy points and half PPR because Jalen Warren's out.

Derek Henry is still like the second oldest running back in the NFL. And clearly any game Derek Henry misses Justice Hill is like pretty much going to be a pretty great lead back and Keith Mitchell. And if Lamar's out and it's Cooper Rush, I have a feeling that there's going to be more checkdowns. Yeah. And also the Ravens defense is bad. And to your point, Derek Henry plays when they're winning.

And if the Ravens are going to be losing more, Justice Hill is going to play more. So I don't, I think checkdowns. I think Justin Hill is going to be like a viable for sure. During buy weeks of flex-worthy running back. Receiver, I mean, we're watching this Sunday football game. Romeo Dubs already has two touchdowns. Yep. Yeah, we talked about that.

I mean, Romo Dubs, if he's available, clearly is an option. The Packers' passing game is more like focused in on it. The fewer guys now. They have fewer guys in the rotation. Unfortunately, like Dubs is good. The problem is the Packers are on by next week, which sucks. Because I think he's like clearly the best player that you could get for Green Bay.

Do you like Wondale and, anybody else on the Giants after the Malik neighbors injury? I think Darius Slayton is going to be like way better than people think. I think everyone's going to be like Wondale, Wondale. People point to target share. But I think Wondale's average depth of target is going to be a little inflated by the Cowboys game, which again, the Cowboys defense is out of sample. And I think Darius Slayton, they signed him to a 12 year.

It's like the 9,000 year release of Guinness. They signed him to a three-year deal for 12 million a year for Slate in this off season. And he had like an undisclosed injury. And then he had like a hamstring injury or something. But he uses a groin, slow start to the season. But I think Darius Slateon, he's going, like he is a starter on the team. They give him $12 million a year.

Like he's going to play. And with the league neighbors out for the season, dude, waivers are hard this year. Darry Slaten is just going to play a lot for a team. And I used to get a lot of looks in this offense. So he's a pro. Giants fit.

I like Derris Slate a lot. He's good. Obviously, if Wondale's available, you would want Wondale because I think they're going to do a lot of RPAs and stuff. But Wondale's taken, I think Darry Slateon, you'll be pleasantly surprised if you're in a pinch and you just kind of want 10 points in your lineup.

I think it's worth it. after that it gets a little harder. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, it's tough. It's not a good week for. To be totally transparent, you might want to look. I'm curious what happens

to the money football game. Someone might have added Troy Franklin and caught him. I did that in the Ringer League because someone caught T.J. Hawkinson and it was kind of like, I kind of want to give that a try. So if Troy Franklin is available

after money of football, we'll see what goes. That would be interesting. But yeah, I feel like receiver people are more, oh my God, Jordan Love just got strip-stacked. Don't tell me it was. 10-5?

or is it Dallas going to get No, they're going to get points off that. Oh my God. Those are the 15. 13 seconds left in the half? That's huge. Dude, was that Kenny Clark? Because that would be pretty amazing.

Kenny Clark ends up being like, oh, no, it was not. Wow. Regardless. All right. Yeah, after that, like, look at further receivers.

But I feel like tight end is tough too. Like, if Brent and Strange is available for the Jaguars, I think he's definitely the best. And after that, man, honestly, good luck. It's tough. It's really brutal after Brent and Strange. Brent Strange, yeah,

28% rostered still. Six catches again today. He's, like, very involved. We keep so much Shagoquonquo, and I'm like, I have to think, like, honestly, I can't handle, they don't score anything. You need tight ends who are to score a touchdown. Hold on to the tight end you have and probably play that guy

instead of add anybody. It's like, I mean, I literally, for the advice. Oh, honestly. You need to add Jake Tongis and hope he scores a touchdown again.

Like there are no, like, Arronda Gadsden, like, you can't, you're just, you're literally playing darts with the tight ends. Defense,

I mean, man, it depends. Like the Packers are on by next week, so I think the Packers defense, again, we'll see by the end of this game how much people actually like the defense

perception of its reality but they're going to be on by I think people might cut the defense so that's something to keep in mind that if the backers might be a free agent if they're on by people might not have time for it Dallas is scored as I was saying that but um yeah

Giants Giants defense playing the Saints next week I I think dart dude dart versus Rattler I think that one's like pretty live Browns versus Vikings that one in London could be ugly

Brown's D. The Vikings with a double international game. And also in Europe for two weeks, Ryan Kelly's concussion, I don't want to speculate.

If he has concussion, it would be a second to three weeks. I don't think he's going to play. Right. O'Neill's hurt. I don't know what the deal is, but like overall,

Christian Dier also came back from injury, but they're not healthy at both tackles at the release. Might have a backup tackle and a backup center. Miles Garrett, I think the Brown's defense,

again, I think super available because they played versus the Lions. You've spent 3.5% rostered in his bill. The Brown's defense, Carson Wentz, I think that's a really good one. Between that and the Giants First Saints, I think there's a super available defenses.

So I would go with one of those. And maybe even the Saints versus the Giants, if you're really in a deep league, like Dart, it's still a second game. They got tape on them now. So that's what I would do with D. But yeah, it's like there was a little more water in the desert running back now between Marks,

Gainwell, and then if a deeper league, Kendry Miller and Justice. I think Justice Hill is super available, even in a 14 team league. I think he might be out there. So that, and I think, frankly, people have been adding receivers and haven't found running that.

And so now there's more liquidity at running back. But I think that's waivers for the week. Okay. We're going to get out of here. I'm not going to lie. It's halftime of this Packers Cowboys game and we're about to hear.

Carlos just sent us who the halftime show is rumored to be. So, D.K. is going to think of ban here, but you're just going to check your text in a second here of like who the halftime show is allegedly. It's being aggregated. We'll see if during halftime they confirm it. Hopefully we'll find out during this conversation.

But with that said, thank you to DK. Thank you to Craig. Thank you for listening. We are going to have our show power hour. We're going to talk way more about Ireland and all this stuff here. We'd so much fun in Ireland. Thank you to everybody. Thank you to Sunny.

Thank you to Joe. Thank you to Matt. Thank you. Everybody who helped us here. I think everyone at the NFL. Thank you, everyone at the ringer sent us. Thank you. I mean, thank you, Bill.

Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Mal. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you. Like, everybody who sent us with so much. It takes so many people to help us with this trip. Thank you, Austin. Carlos Bex.

Like, you guys have been amazing on this trip. Thank you so much. It's just, this has been amazing. it's been really cool to do this with you guys. We have a whole other show coming on Wednesday that will go more to Ireland, but it just, this has been really fun to do.

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that I don't think other people are trying. It was really fun. So please go follow us on Instagram. Yeah, this has been as fun of a weekend as I think we could have planned for or hope for. I guarantee that I don't think anyone else this week. weekend went to two different hurling matches and saw Bill Murray be like, please stop talking to me.

Like that, that probably didn't happen anywhere else. So, of course, they're the number of person. Thank you, Lord! Lord!

All right. Thank you, Bad Bunny. Oh, that is cool. Well, so, you know,

he's the opening SNL host next week. Oh, that could make sense. That's all synergized. Okay. So again, to be clear, if it's wrong, it's because this hasn't been officially announced.

It's going to happen in moments, but it's being aggregated. So we don't know if it's real because it's hard to tell if anything's real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were joking that, like, people thought that Beyonce was going to be at the DNC. Right. And so we're like, we don't know if this is real either. But that would make sense because I feel like the halftime show, it's kind of like how Kendrick did the halftime show,

but he also popped out at the, so to speak, at the, I forget one of the other, he was at one of the other halftime shows. And he actually did a portion of a song like years earlier. And Bad Bunny, I believe, did, what was the show in 2019? Like, he did have one song at a halftime show, I think. Oh, no, no. Maybe it was Thanksgiving. I don't know.

Stupid. Hold on. I don't know the answer to that. D.K., do you? I don't. Maybe the biggest star in the world are than Taylor Swift right now. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's cool. Yeah. Oh, it's confirmed. Yeah. Billboard. He's head-binder. Confirmed. Bad Bunny.

San Francisco. Santa Clara. Right. Really. Yeah. I don't I'm not like I don't have I don't know a lot he's like the most streamed artist in the entire world I know that and at least before Taylor Swift went on the errors before Taylor's tour and did the Taylor's version stuff bad bunny was the most art streamed artist of the stuff that I've heard I think it's good I don't I'm just like I don't know that much from his I also just like him as a person I think he's really funny yeah I think he's like a really comedic actor I'm okay I'm not crazy 2020 the Shakira one oh Shakira yeah Jennifer Lopez bad bunny J Balvin all popped out at the um but yeah but yeah but yeah he's great. Like the Please Don't Destroy video

he did when he was Shrek. Like I despise it loathe, happy Gilmore 2 with every fiber of my being. But he was, you know, like he has good comedic time. He was, he was actually one of the only cameos

that did have community timing. He was funny. So what the fuck was all this Taylor Swift stuff? I still wonder if they were to go to show. It was weird. It was weird that another of the podcast.

Oh God. No, I just want to, you can say your thought. I just wanted to. This is classic D. D.K.'s on Twitter. Dick is just on Twitter.

pointed to a tweet from Shil Kapadia, our co-worker, and it says this, the Eagles did not complete a pass in the second half today. I just wanted you to see it. That's all. It's the only game in the last two years where a team didn't complete a second half pass. They won four and oh. hilarious. That's, it is weird.

That, you know, it's so funny. Just when last week we wanted exonerate the Eagles. And I really thought the Eagles offense was going to wake up after that and they get it more involved. It is crazy. It could not complete a point. pass. That's pretty, I mean, yeah. Dude, even Kendall Hinton, did he complete a pass in that game when he had to play? Yeah, he's like two for nine. Kendall Hinton completed a pass in the second half. Oh, I don't know if it's second half. Well, I don't know, but I think he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just saying. We're very close to Bad Bunny.

Unfortunately, I think he's the host and musical guest, I would imagine. So he's not going to think himself. So we're very close to actually hearing the thank you, Lauren, thank you bad bunny on SNL. You know, what we didn't go. Almost. I will say the Bad Bunny, I mean, he's good. I feel like we have nothing. Pad. But the Taylor Swift thing, but the Taylor Swift thing, it was because on the pod she did with Travis Kelsey,

without knowing anything about the rumors, it did stick out. She was like, I'm making sourdough like 60% of the time. And I remember thinking, that was just odd.

I don't know why. Maybe she really is just making sourdough 60%. But then people were like, you know, Niners mascot, Sourdow Sam. I felt like I reached to me.

I know, but here's why. It was sourdough Sam, Super 60, San Francisco. Well, I don't know. No, but here's why. That's what you told me. Here's why it was weird.

People made the point, but then I had just watched the episode. And so it was literally, I forget before or after, a five-minute conversation about Chase and Kelsey called it the art of the Easter egg and about how she would never drop something about her personal life, but only her professional life. Then they fucking said the sourdough thing. So then it was like, okay, it's kind of weird.

This theory sounds insane when you just say sourdough, Sam, whatever, Super Bowl 60. It makes sense after a five-minute conversation about that. Are you just on Twitter again? No, no. Swift, according to a report from Rob Shooter's substack, I'm not, I don't know who that is. Swift had interest in performing the Super Bowl 60 Halfam show, so she had one major demand for the NFL. Swift wanted to retain ownership for her performance and secure slots promoting her own projects. Yeah, I think this is, I think this is real.

Refuse the league, which is arguably. I think, yeah, I think Craig's reading the article and he can give a take. Here's why I really do think that Taylor Swift thing they went in negotiations. It's this simple. For the most part, they always, announced the Super Bowl halftam show around week one. It's a giant advertisement that the NFL is beginning the season.

They always do it around September 8th or something like so in the beginning of season. It is September 29th. They never wait a month into the season. I think they were negotiating still because they... Swift's the only artist... Swift's the only artist the NFL would wait for and kind of needed more than she needs them.

And she did 149 era tours shows. Like the 150th at Super Bowl, the NFL clearly wanted that. I think they waited a couple weeks from negotiating it. And then Bad Bunny is like

a pretty great backup. But I do think if it's just going to be Bad Bunny the whole time, they would just announce it three weeks ago. So that combined with this, I do think there was something to it. All right. Do you want to retain ownership

of her performance and secure slots promoting her own projects? I think that means who, I think what that means of retain ownership or performance is you do, basically the errors tour is a 13 minute set during the game

because they would not make the game longer for her more than like two or three minutes, right? So can you just tell the errors to work to like 15 minutes? And in some ways, the definitive Taylor Swift video. Who owns that? Who gets to sell that to net flow? Where does that live? Who owns that?

If that's going to be the most watched YouTube video and Taylor Swiss archive, is that on the NFL YouTube channel or is it on Taylor Swiss YouTube channel? Like that's what that means to me? Because that could have a billion views. That could have over, I mean, by the time we're old, that could have 10 billion views. And it's like, who owns that? I don't know.

You're looking at me. Like, you don't think that's whoever Taint ownership means? No, no. I actually don't know. I don't know if it's about like where it lives on YouTube. That feels... Well, would she do it if... I guess it's like YouTube.

I guess it's more... Her whole thing is owner in a catalog, right? She talked about this in the product. I know, but I just don't like doing that... I'm like ownership over her halftime performance. It's the 150th Eros Tour. Would you brand it as the ERISTor? She doesn't own it.

I don't think she would even do... I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to see. I don't know. Secure slots promoting her own projects. I don't know what that means? What does that mean?

Commercials? Promoting her own projects? Sourd a sourdough lunch. She has a sourdough line. Salad of sands. She already... Got to make a bread company. Like commercials.

Oh, yeah. She wanted commercial slots for free. That's definitely what that means. I don't know. I think slots, I think that is what's sure. What is her next project? Well, no, no, I'll tell you. I don't know.

I don't know if you guys know this. It was a business minor. So, basically, you know, how Taylor Swift does business. Right. Can I tell you, I think what that means? And she wasn't a business matter. I'll tell you what this means.

You know, the NFL doesn't pay the performers famously. because they're like, you're getting the biggest eyeball thing there is. So she was like, well, I'm not asking you to pay me. I would just like a few commercial slots worth how much does a super commercial go for now? 10, $20,000. I don't know. It's 10, but I thought it was like six, five.

I think it can be a little bit more. So she's like, I just want two for free. Don't pay me. I'm just like, she's asking to get paid. And then, like, getting paid in equity, basically. she wants to promote her thing. And the NFL, I think, was basically, I obviously don't want to pretend to know when I knew it,

but I do think that's what that sentence is. This reporting now that's being shown is basically like she thought she was going to do it. So that's probably where all that stuff came from. And then she backed out. Yeah, I mean, I believe the Eastray thing. That was very deliberate and she does that stuff. I also think the fact that we're reading this right now

means that her camp is spinning this is like, I wanted this. I told the NFL, dude, there's a Jay-Z line about this. I figure what song it is. It might be on, God, watch the thing. thrown. I forget when it or four, I don't know what it was, but he was like, Jay-Z's like, there's a line. He's like, I turned down the Super Bowl. I need you more than you. You say, you needed me more than I needed you. And then guess what happened?

Jay-Z with Rock Nation said, I'm not performing the Super Bowl. I'm going to fucking book the Super Bowl for you because you need me to reintroduce you to the artist, the artist community. And so then Jay-Z and Rock Nation booked the Super Bowl for you. And so this to me is the same full, like a reiteration of the Jay-Z thing where the NFL kind of did need to tell us to, more than that, or at least that's what Taylor Swift, we're hearing about this now. So I do actually kind of think this is Taylor Swift being like, they actually needed me,

which I believe because the NFL's never waited this long to announce it. And I can't remember. Like, it's been a years. Even like Rihanna, other like really big artists, it was always the first week of September. So I do think they were negotiating really late. This reporting that we're seeing is that she, that's what happened.

She walked away from it. And I wonder if the NFL just didn't want to set a precedent of paying the artists. Yeah. I'm sure we'll know more. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. We've been talking about this for too long.

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