The Ringer NFL Show - Week 4 Recap: McCaffrey’s Legendary Season, Stroud’s Leap, and Bengals Panic

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

The guys recap Week 4, starting with the Chiefs’ win on 'Sunday Night Football' and Zach Wilson’s surprising performance. Then, they talk about how Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs dominated the Dolphins, Christian McCaffrey’s historic start to the season, and what’s going on with Joe Burrow and the Bengals. They also give out the Debutante Award to C.J. Stroud and the Texans, the "This Is Why I Drafted You" Award to a few players who are finally living up to their fantasy draft status, and a few other awards. Finally, they induct another player into the 2023 Fantasy Burn Book and check in on Friday’s poll. Check out our Fantasy Football Rankings for this week’s positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, this is Jason Gough from the full go podcast. Me and the crew, we like to entertain you. And we're going to do more of that this football season because the bears should be more intriguing. There should be more fascination. Justin Fields, is this the make or break year? Is DJ Moore the piece that's going to put them over the top? You can catch us on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays,

or when we have an emergency podcast when we have breaking news. Make sure you follow the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. For the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, my name is Danny Hyphitz, and I'm joined by Greg Horlebeck, and that's it, D.K. We'll be back later this week. It's too bad D.K.'s not here because this is the 400th episode of the Rear Fantasy Football Show. Woo! Pretty incredible.

And what's funny, for our 400th episode, we got about 400 emails about Mbop first teenagers. So we'll get to that at the end of the show. Yeah, I guess we will, won't we? We literally did almost get 400 emails. So we got like 370 emails about that topic. It'll take another 400 episode. episodes, Leibran gets over it. I might need another 400 episodes to get over Sunday air football.

Zach Wilson, honestly, almost kind of outplayed Patrick Mahomes. I think he actually did with the exception of the ending. I think he did too. I mean, it's like they jersey swap before the game or something. Mahomes are throwing like bizarre interceptions, bizarre lob passes kind of like to double triple coverage. The refs were all over. The chiefs clearly and the refs were on the same side tonight.

A lot of bullshit calls to end the game. game. Sala should be pissed because the holding call on Soss Gardner essentially lost in the game. It was a bullshit call. So I don't know what the chiefs are drunk tonight. Maybe they were all staying up at Taylor Swift's apartment last night. I don't know. I was going to say, if you had told me that Mahomes had taken an edible before the game, I would have actually have explained everything. Like, yeah, the deep passes without pressure on them that were like 15 yards short and wobbly. and then it was just weird. And Zach Wilson, look, I mean, it finally looked like he came to his senses

and was like, all right, I'm going to stick in the pocket. I'm going to make one or two reads. I'm going to throw the safe pass, and I'm going to be smart. And he actually looked good. His arm looked strong. He was mobile. He made a couple great back shoulder passes.

I don't know if it took Kelsey's mom in the stands. I don't know what it took, but something clicked for Zach. Yeah, he definitely slid in the DMs with Donna Kelsey, right? he hit it he probably DM Taylor Swift and was like yo what's your mom doing I will say Zach Wilson does have the energy of TK in this the pre draft scouting

what was the comp for Zach Wilson Kids uh kids kids Bob Kids Bob Jim McMahon and but he does have that air of like a villain in like a high school movie and this was kind of the point where it's like oh you know what he's not that bad like it was I don't know he got over whatever like trauma was bothering him. Yeah, the villain thing's over now. I just feel bad for him. Did you see that

there was a shot of him at the end of the game and you could read his lips and it was him with, I forget who. And he says like, I lost the team the game. It's my fault, bro. And I was like, I kind of feel bad for Zach Wilson. Now he's trying so hard. He like bought his whole team ice cream this week. Like, I'm actually at the point where I feel bad for Zach Wilson and I want him to succeed. Wait, did he actually buy them ice cream? I read. Do you didn't read that? It was like Zach Wilson tried to win over his teammates by like buying everybody ice cream or something. That's really sad. I feel like they like Zach Wilson enough.

I feel like him like a younger brother who they feel bad for. I don't think they hate him in the locker room. They're denying that they bought him ice cream, which is all itself kind of a funny thing to read. Oh, it's not true? Okay. I don't know. Who knows?

That was weird. There's a lot of weird stuff that happened today. There were a lot of games that were close that shouldn't have been. There were a lot of blowouts that should have been close. But there is one place where I think we should start, which is the freaking Dolphins Bill's game. Yeah, I feel like we got a little. a post-game clarity here for Miami

from blowing your load to getting blown out just one week later. Look, I think this is ultimately probably good for Dolphins fans. I know it sucks to hear now, but you need to get punching them out to know it's like welcome to the playoffs essentially, Miami. Vegas knew what was up.

They gave the bills, what, two and a half points they were laying? No one understood it. Miami put up 70 points last week and we're like, come on, they're playing bills who are a great team, but you can't score 70 in the NFL and then be underdog. in next week. Well, turns out Vegas knew what they were doing. Producer Carlos is a Dolphins fan. You didn't have the chutzpahed

to tell him that he deserved to get punched in the mouth right before we got on this call. Look, I was, if you would have started this season saying, hey, you're 3 and 1 heading into week 5, two is healthy. You have the best offense in the last 20 years. You take it. Yeah, this game was wild because it started exactly how we thought it would start,

which was touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, it literally was back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. and then, I mean, the bill scored on eight of their first nine drives if you get rid of kneel downs. But after the first five drives that Bill's dolphins going back and forth, from there, the dolphins went three and out punt, three and out punt, three and out, fumble away, three and out punt.

And then it was halftime. And they came back and there was touchdown and pick and then basically at that point the game was over. But honestly, they hit Tua. Like, Turan Armstead, the left tackle for the dolphins, went out of the game. And then after that, Tua was sacked four times. And Tua had been sacked once coming into the game.

Yeah, they didn't let him breathe. I mean, Tua gets the ball out quick anyway, and they just got to him before he could even make his first read half the time. That's why he threw some picks. And again, Tua doesn't have a lot of zip on the ball. So when he's a little scattered and he starts throwing up these bloops, bad shit happened. So you kind of saw the blueprint.

If there is a way to stop Miami's offense, you kind of saw it today. The blueprint? Blueprint? Yeah. He's throwing up bloops, and this was the blueprint. Oh, the blueprint? Oh, I see what you're doing. Yeah, sure.

No, I will say, there are so many quarterbacks. I mean, obviously watching Mahomes tonight, well, not tonight, but every other game, Mahomes has played. Josh Allen, Anthony Richardson, Herbert, where they have these throws

that we just almost, there's so many, it used to be like Elway was the only one to do this. Now there's like six guys you can do it, where their feet aren't set. I mean, Mahomes is in the air, but they can still, like,

throw this pass. That's like incredibly 30 yards downfield pinpoint. And Tua, as much as he's good, he really still is like you need like a normal human mortal person who needs his feet set. And you're so right that once he's off his spot. But he's a good rhythm passer. And honestly, two and Joe Burrow can have the ball for the same amount of time.

The difference is the Dolphins offense before like two seconds when he gets rid of it is good. But I will say the Dolphins offensive line once Aramsted went out, like they couldn't actually hold the bills for more than like the three seconds. And it just, it did feel like like, I mean, Isaiah win could not block it all over. And so it was, I don't know, it's odd to watch Tua try to improvise and run away. How does this make you feel about the dolphins, like, heading into what's most likely to be, you know, a long playoff run for them? Do you feel like this team is kind of a smoke and mirrors regular season team? Or do you feel like they, that they just got hit in the mouth by the bills and they'll be fine?

I think they got hit in the mouth by the bills. I mean, they're playing the Giants next week. So that's another buzz saw. That's tough. so, you know, they're probably going to have an amazing streak. But I think that, I think the dolphins, honestly, the issues are still the issues that I felt actually before the season, which is it's kind of a thin team where like Tyree Kill went out of this game and ended up being like a player or two.

But when he went out, I remember thinking, oh my God, like, what's going to happen now? And it just reminds, like, obviously we saw about two in the injury, but losing Turan Armstead. The whole game changed when arms, at least in my opinion, like, Tewa didn't get sacked before that. And then it's like if Tyreek goes down, I think that's my issue, is that how much depth is there really? Yeah, they're not even really using Waddle all that much.

And like they're really relying on like River Craigcraft and Braxton Barrios and Smyth. And you kind of realize, man, there's really not a lot, not a lot of depth there in the receiving corps. And then even the running backs. I mean, most dirt, man, we on our power hour show on Wednesday, we ranked our favorite sell high candidates, and a high fitz, I think you put Moster as number one. And that's aged pretty well.

I mean, the guy had seven carries saved for nine yards. Meanwhile, Devon A-chan still doesn't sound right. Over 100 yards, once again, two touchdowns. Looks fantastic. And Mostert fumbled twice. I mean, has the window already closed on Moster? Can you still sell him high? I mean, he's still like a top five running back on the season overall by points.

But nine rushing yards today compared to, 120 for A-chan. Yeah, no, the Mosch is so high when it's closed because it's the blurb test. It's the blurb's going to be negative on a Mostert where the blurb's going to be like, oh, H-N's the starter. Jeff Wilson will go back. And like, oh, man, so you're done with that. You're stuck with Moster.

I will say, I don't want to be too doom and gloom on the dolphins because they got their butts kick, but the offense still look cool. Like, A. Chan was incredible. I mean, he has over 10 yards of touch for the second week in a row. That's pretty insane, 120 yards and two touchdowns on like 11 touches. The other one, the first time, the Dolphins' offense is still insane. Because H.N.'s first touchdown

who's lined up as a receiver, and Tyree Kiel was in the backfield was a running back. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then A. Ann just took the jet sweep. And it's like, there's just like, it's insane. Like, H.N.'s like, these are two, like, all world track athletes just getting, again, into full sprint before the game, or before the snap. But

at the same time, though, I don't know. As bad as it was, it should have been worse, because two, we should have threw a pick six at one point. It was just kind of dropped. So, Yeah, bills. The one thing we have to mention of the bills, they looked like Super Bowl contenders,

the best team in the AFC, but they lost Drew Davis White, the cornerback who they had only had, like the bill's strength and defense was Tradavis White, who was an all pro cornerback and their two best safeties with Jordan Boyer and Micahide.

And now they down one of their safeties and not Trudevice White has an Achilles injuries out of the season. And it's like that was their strength and now they're back to having all these injuries in the secondary again. So even though the bills look dominant,

it's like, all right, we'll see what they can do without those guys. they're kind of just mortal on defense. Otherwise, speaking of guys, well,

who does not look mortal at all, I think we have the, the maybe we underrated Christian McCaffrey being healthy award, who I'm going to give to Christian McCaffrey. I got to say, every year I never, like,

if I'm in an auction league, I will never get the number one guy in the rankings. I'm just not a number one overall guy. I don't know why. I've never enjoyed spending the most money on a player. And every year, most of the time, pretty much every year,

the number one guy is, fucking great. You know what I mean? Like, oh, Cooper Cup. And I'm like, oh, that's $62 a little rich for my blood. Oh, I don't want the first pick in the draft. I'd rather have, you know, the eighth and get two guys on the turn. Now, literally, there's a reason why these guys are ranked number one, and there's a massive difference between the number one guy in your draft and the number ninth guy. Because the number ninth guy is often, you know, Joe Mixon, Jamar Chase, Derek Henry. And usually the number one guys in the league always return value. And Christian McCaffrey is having his best season of his career.

Christian McCaffrey, so the Niners beat the Doris, off the Cardinals, 35, 16. McCaffrey had 27 touches for 177 yards before touchdowns. It was like 2816 for a while. It seemed like it was,

that's true, it was going to go that way and then it didn't. But McCaffrey, 45 PPR points, or half PPR points. Number one running back on the week,

I think more impressive is that McAfre was the number two running back on the week before halftime. Like you beat every single running back, except David Montgomery of all people,

which is hilarious, which is the whole other story. But number two running back before halftime. McCaffrey is the number one running back in the season, but I think that even better than that, Christian McCaffrey is the fourth most fantasy points through four weeks for, of any running back or receiver in the last 20 years

in half PPR. Like outside of two different Alvin Camara seasons, and I think West Welker in like 2011, then it's Christian McCaffrey through the first four games in 20 years. Yeah, maybe we didn't take into account enough that McCaffrey had only been on the team for eight weeks and joined the Niners in the middle of the year last year.

I don't know if we really considered it because he was great. So I think we just kind of didn't really think about it. No, I think the big mistakes where people were like, oh, Elijah Mitchell's going to play. And I'm like, well, McCaffrey had Patelor 10 to 9is. And that was just something they were managing. And he came in. And again, I think we underrated.

I wish I'd said this more in the off season. I feel like I could have said this in the tape bridge and everything. But like, we didn't talk enough. McCaffrey and the Niners offense. is the best marriage of a player's talent and the scheme they're in with the surrounding talent of his teammates since probably Randy Moss on the 2007 Patriots.

And that sounds insane, except coincidentally, McCaffrey, top four most fantasy points through a month in the last 20 years. Fifth is Randy Moss in the Patriots in 2007. Like, he's actually right there. Yeah, I mean, we're at the point now

where it feels more likely that McCaffrey is going to score a touchdown on any given drive than he's not. Oh my God, wait. I have to pull this up. I took a picture. You know, sometimes they flash the stats on the screen.

I had to take, I took a picture of this because they were like, they flashed the stat and I couldn't believe it. He has 100 scrimmage yards and a touchdown in each of the first four games of the season, first 49 to ever do that. And then the other one was, he has 13 consecutive games with a touchdown,

which is the longest streak in 49ers history. But he's only been there for like less than one year. You know what I mean? Like, here's the longest touchdown streak in Niners' history. But it's just the beginning of his

Niners career is the streak. If it weren't for Tyree Kill, the gap between McAfree and the next best guy in the league would be as big as it's ever been in fantasy. It's crazy. It really is crazy. I think if you took Justin Jefferson

or Tyree Kill, like we'll see, you know, people could get hurt. Jamart, if you took like Jamar Chase over McCaffrey, you're losing your mind.

Or Echler, obviously. Yeah, man. I really got to wrap my head. I got to be the guy who starts like taking the best guy in the league again. I really got to do that. I don't know why I don't. Are you a first overall pick guy?

Do you like first overall? Like if you could choose what pick you had in a snake, would you take first? Less so a snake, but in an auction, absolutely. Like, in a salary cap draft, yeah, because for lack of a... Honestly, people are really afraid to spend so much money immediately because you spend so much time preparing

that the first player is usually the best deal. So Justin and McCaffrey are usually like the two players I want. But that's a separate conversation. one other very important thing from Niners Cardinals we have to discuss. So McAfriot 4, the first six touchdowns of this game were scored by dudes who went to Stanford. So it's Christian McAfriot 4 and the Cardinals Ruky Michael Wilson, who is probably going to be in our waiver show tomorrow. They had six touchdowns.

The last time six touchdowns in one game were scored by Stanford players was November 28th of 1929 between the Chicago Cardinals versus the Chicago Bears and I wanted to go through the Chicago Bears roster in 1929. Zuck Carlson. Can I just say I'm actually more surprised that there has ever been a game

that I'm surprised that there's been another game where the first six touchdowns are all from Stanford grads. Are they all, both teams are from Chicago? Alumni. Yeah, Chicago Cardinals, Chicago Bears. 1929. Red Grange and Garty Grange. I'm assuming that's a nice brother combination right there.

Buck White. Patty Driscoll. We don't name people Patty anymore. You just Patty's Pub. Shorty illness? Shorty. Shorty? Yeah, man.

This league at the time, 1929, the Frankfurt Yellow Jackets, the Buffalo Bisons, the Minneapolis red jackets. We loved colored jackets back then. yellow jackets, red jackets? Yeah, how many jackets were there? Oh, oh my God. Also, I love the Cardinals,

the Chicago Cardinals roster, which is the Arizona Cardinals. Bullet Baker. And Eddie Butts? Dude. We don't name them like they used to. Russ Method. Ernie Nevers.

Ernie! I believe a fullback through a 60-yard touchdown in that game. So, different time. Incredible. All right. Well, speaking to which,

this is why I drafted you award for all the fantasy. Veterans and Slow Starts came through. No fullbacks thrown 60-0 touchdons, but all the rushing quarterbacks, all the rushing quarterbacks, bounce back. The top three fantasy quarterbacks this week,

Josh Allen, Anthony Richards, Lamar Jackson. They all had a rushing score. And then the next two guys actually didn't need rushing scores, but they are running quarterbacks they didn't need to. But Justin Fields and Chilin Hertz.

So Josh Allen, Anthony Richards, Lamar Jackson, Justin Fields and Jailen Hertz, all the running quarterbacks are back. Yeah, it's appropriate that today's games were October 1st because it was, it does feel like we've been saying this for years now

because of the lack of practice preseason because of the lack of playing time in preseason. It feels like it takes a month for players to kind of get their feet and kind of play at a level that we expected to play at. And we're a month into the season now. And kind of all the guys that you expected to be good when you drafted them played well today. Derek Henry's another one.

If you bought low on Derek Henry or you stayed patient, good for you. He looked like old Derek Henry. He had 120 plus yards, touchdown, stiff arming people. He threw a touchdown. It was classic tractor Cito. That's his real nickname if you look at player ref. But like, you know, they're going to keep feeding them.

They've had actually a pretty tough schedule. They played the Browns. They played the Saints, the Bengals, three of the first four weeks of the season. So good on you if you held Derek Henry. Derek Henry passed Darry Campbell on the Titans' all-time rushing list, which is kind of cool. They also beat the Bengals 27 to 3, which is also kind of cool.

I love that throw play. I think teams should do that more. I was going to say these guys are all pro athletes. The worst part about the play was that the Bengals called timeout. Like, uh-oh, Derek Henry lined up a quarterback. And then they came out of the timeout. And they were completely unprepared for him to throw the ball. Yeah, they just did the Derek Henry trick play.

Like, what did you think they were going to do? Also, it wasn't like, also, if you missed the play, the play wasn't Ryan Tannahill hands off to Derek Henry, who then threw it. The play was Derek Henry, like to. up a quarterback and throws a pass. And so, like, they called a timeout, and then they just did that. I don't know. It was really, it was really weird.

The announcer literally, like, predicted it. The announcer was, like, look for Derek Henry to possibly throw here. Up, time out. It's like, is anybody on the Bengals listening to the broadcast? Do you know that? Do you think anyone's listening to the broadcast on the coaching side? No. I've always thought that, like, teams would actually have, like, a really weird.

There are some, they're not every team, but there are absolutely seven teams that would have a better instant replay challenge process that they just watch the broadcast. Like the Steelers, Mike Tomlin's 100%. Mike Tomlin wanted to challenge the other day for the first time and forever. He had like the Bears losing streak for challenges. And I'm like, if someone from the Steelers who are worth what, $5 billion, if someone just could

watch television and talk to Mike Tomlin, he would be 60, 40 on challenges. Dude, just get like some like 28 year old diehard fan who just lives on the couch. Just have him, just a three hour phone call. He's just in your ear telling you what he's seeing. You know, Tony Romo's predicting like Tony Romo was great today by the way in the Bill's Dolphins game he was really dialed in

kind of his old self. Tony Romo was predicting things left and right. He's like Tyrooks going to motion out here right before the snap. Oh, they're going to snap the ball at 23 seconds left on the clock. Like they need to get some intern at home just listening to the broadcast and funneling that to an assistant offensive coordinator or something. It's so true.

Oh my God. It's, Derek Henry was kind of like the What are you going to do, stab me? Quote from Man Stabbed. Just like, what are you going to do to throw it? Anyway. All right. other guys that we're like, oh, honestly, it's like, I think God I called that guy award. AJ Brown for the Eagles, nine catches, 175 yards, two touchdowns,

number one, red receiver in the week. AJ Brown has 60 points in the last two weeks. So if you panicked about him at the beginning, you're good now. You also, both these touchdowns were long. Like, the first one was almost a 60-yard touchdown to put the Eagles up four points. And then the second one, the Eagles kind of could ice the clock like the chiefs did tonight right at the end of the game. And they're like, no, we want a touchdown.

and they just threw it and they took this deep shot and A.J. Brown scored but it was under two minutes and then he got a taunting penalty which it wasn't as good as the one with the Steelers where he was like too small but he just put the ball at the guy's feet which I'm not going to lie I did not know

that was like a taunting pounty like he scored and the quarterback was on the ground and he didn't even run over to him he kind of took two steps and put the ball at the guy's feet and they flagged him and they gave Washington a 15-year penalty and that's how Washington went down and scored a touchdown with the no seconds left then they went to overtime.

The Eagles won anyway, but I was like, I didn't know that was taunting. How are taunting rules written in the rulebook? You know, like, does it say, like, you cannot use the ball to taunt the opposing player in the end zone? I'd love to know, like, what rule that exactly violates. The use of baiting or taunting acts or words

that engender ill will between teams. I think there is a combination of a tremendous amount of discretion for refs. It's football. So, like, I remember when they made, ironically, it's kind of like the Horns Down thing in college football, which is, in my opinion, the softest thing in the world. If you're listening to this and you're from me, if you're, all right, email is to ring in fantasy football at Gmail. If you are someone who can defend horns down, cool, because if not, I got to tell you, is the snowflakiest thing in the world. Like, that that's a flag. But similarly, like the P sign, Tyree Kill flashed, they're like, no, that's, that's a flag.

So if that's the taunting side now when you, like, run by someone with the peace sign. So there's specifics. Then there's also like things refs invent on the, like the three pumps from Key and Peel, I think is basically a roll-down. It kind of just feels like if the refs feel bad for the opposing defender, they'll just throw the flag.

The other guy, Mark Andrews for the Ravens. Mark Averins entering this game, had 80 yards and a touchdown. And today he had 80 yards and two touchdowns. So that's cool. And the Ravens just demolish the Browns, 28 to 3. Yeah, another guy who, if you waited three weeks

while he was suspended, good for you. Alvin Camara came back today, first came back, and looked awesome. His legs seemed like they weighed the same, which I think helped a lot. He caught 13 passes for only 33 yards, but hey, if you're in PPR, even half PPR, he had a solid game,

he ran for 50 yards. But he just looked spry. Derek Carr was hurt, was checking down to him like a maniac. He was getting first downs left and right. Camara looks like old Camara. Dude, his legs looked super similarly weighted. Didn't they?

You could tell. like to the to the milligram. Yeah, he was comfortable on either leg. He always used to fall to the left because the left leg was heavier, not anymore.

Now he's perfectly balanced. Also, we have to ban PPR. Albu Kamaura, did you read the lot? He had 13 catches for 33 yards. He's the first player in NFL history to have 13 cats. This from the athletic,

this is an incredible stat. First player to ever have 13 catches and less than 70 yards, except he had 13 catches for 33. So not only did he break the record, he cut the record by more than half. I think he had like eight catches in the first quarter. They marched down and scored or had a field goal

and literally had like six catches on the first drive. The Saints are kind of like the Raiders where for the first drive of the game, they look great. And then the rest of the game, they just never score again. Yeah, there is something to that. Maybe the bucks were like, Derek Carr, does the shoulder work? And they check the first one. They're like, no.

The Saints should be so much better than they are, man. Their defense is solid. and they've scored, they average 13 points a game this year. That's the fifth worst in the NFL, which is only ahead of the Patriots, the Steelers, the Jets, and the Bengals. Four terrible offenses.

And the Saints have Alvin Camara, Chris Oliva, and Michael Thomas. They can't score more than 13 points in game. The Saints are the weirdest team. The Saints, I think, are the most New Orleans team to me because it's so hard to explain what it's like unless you go there. And the Saints, it's impossible to explain

how the Saints are like pseudo-competitive every single year. They're the most ugly competitive. They're kind of like the Titans. It's like, I don't know what they're going to be any given week. They're like Jekyll and Hyde, but they'll finish the season like nine and eight. But the Titans, at least you're like, well, they're well, they're well coached. Yeah, I guess that's true.

I trust Tennessee from a coaching perspective at the end of the game, but I don't trust Tanna Hill. No, it's, that's true. So, yeah, Saints lost in the bucks, 26 to 9. Cameras said after the game, we need to have tough conversations soon. I'm like, yeah, it's talking about PPR. They're talking about PPR. The other one, Cowboys defense, fantasy. Sure.

Cowboys, 38 to 3, annihilated the Patriots. Worst loss of Belichick's career. I want to get to that in a second. I just want to mention, here are the players with more fantasy points than the Cowboys D this season. And there's different ways to score defense, but I'm using Yahoo.

Cowboys D has 80 points, give or take your scoring. Players who have more than that through a month, McCaffrey, Justin Jefferson, Tyrie Kilkin, and Alan Rahim Moster. Yeah, man. Every year, there's one of these teams.

Cowboys Day, the difference, but we could have predicted this one. We're sitting here like, don't take a defense until the end. Meanwhile, like, whoever just took the Cowan's D in the eighth round, it's just doing great. Next year for our rankings, can we just pick a defense and rank them like 73rd?

Yeah, I kind of want to do it. How do we feel that Bill of Salpods going with 38 to 3 worst loss of Bill Belichick's career? It's going totally fine because the Celtics got Drew Holiday. Bill probably didn't even watch the game today. He's probably just Googling Drew Holiday stats. 100%. They're recording right now as we are at Sunday night. Drew Holiday gets mentioned in the first 100 seconds, guaranteed.

They're probably right. It's the only way to spin it. There's one more guy I wanted to mention for the, that's why I drafted you. Finally, Josh Jacobs, we've been pleading with people to hold on to Josh Jacobs after three mediocre weeks.

Finally had a huge game today. He had 25 fantasy points heading into this week and he had 24 today. So he nearly doubled his points on the season. I think the craziest thing about him, look, he looks fine. I think he looks just as good as he did last year. There's not a lot of running room for him.

But it's his receiving. He's like Alvin Camara now. He leads all running backs and receiving yards and targets this year. He's on pace for 106 targets. Josh Jacobs. They're just funneling in the ball. It doesn't matter if it's Garoppolo or Aidan O'Connell. So I keep holding on to Josh Jacobs.

He had nine catches today. He's kind of like James White and Ben Jarvis Greenellis like put together for like the McDaniels offense. He's kind of like all the Patriots running backs put together. Yeah. Speaking of Josh McDaniels, I have the coaching performance that was put on by Josh McDaniels and Brandon Staley today was the most egregious dual coaching match I think I've ever seen.

It was truly the idiot bowl. Last week, last week, Josh McDaniels was down to eight and was like, I'm going to kick a field goal. Yeah, Sunday night against the Steelers, down eight, not much time left. He's like, you know what? You know what's better than being down eight, down five, I guess? Kicks a field goal this week, down seven, two plus minutes left. the ball in the three-yard line. Aidan O'Connell is their

quarterback, rookie. First game. They have Josh Jacobs in the backfield. The reigning, rushing champ. First play. Some bullshit rollout. Throw across the field to the corner of the end zone or to the corner of the front pylon just in immediate interception.

The worst throw I've seen all day. On first down, just no idea why you wouldn't run at least twice to eat clock with Josh Jacobs and give him a shot. Just makes no sense. And then on the other side of the ball, ball after the intercession by Asante Samuel the corner, he slides, he kneels. And everybody said Brandon Staley told him to go down after intercepting the ball, but it was

before the two-minute warning. So how did he just ran? It would have been a pick six, but instead, he goes down and then there was still enough time left for the Raiders to get the ball back because the two-minute warning hadn't passed yet. It's just all-time, all-time shit here. Also, and we're not. not even knocking Staley for the thing that

most people are losing their minds over, which is last week. The chargers have the ball deep in their own territory, fourth and one. And if they get the first down, the game's over, and they go for it, they don't get it. And the Vikings get the ball, like 25 yards or whatever from the end zone. Drive down.

And then Kirk Cousins throws a pick at the goal line, so it's fine. And then somehow the charges are in the exact same situation this week. And again, I actually don't even mind the call. I think it's my attitude to football. I agree. I agree. My attitude with football is, and hopefully, I have not ever changed my mind of this. Maybe one day I will.

If you can't get one yard when you need it, you don't deserve to win the game. And it's like, if it's like, hey, if you get one yard here, you win. It's like you kind of will take that. You should take that at every level of football. However, that it's not like entrenched infallible logic. And so it's pretty radical for him to do it. And then two weeks in a row, the fact that he got the situation again. And then the charges once again couldn't get the yard, which that's the problem, is they

can't get the yard. And then the Raiders, and that they still can't, and the charges still win the game. I don't know. It's insane that you go for that. And you're like, yeah, we can lose. And then, I don't know. So maybe we should be lauding them. They even, they even won the game in the weirdest way possible. After the Asante Samuel picked, they have the ball. And like I said, the Raiders can still get it back.

So they run it once. They run it twice. Now it's third and ten. And the announcers are like, I'm sure they're going to run it here. Because if you can eat enough clock, kick it to it to them, they're not going to have enough time. Of course, they drop back and throw it. They literally snap the ball. as the announcer is predicting that they should run it,

and the announcer kind of laughed at them. And then rather than making the smart checkdown pass to ensure that the clock keeps running, Herbert Chuck's like a 50-yard bomb. Of course, he completes it to Josh Palmer. They win the game. But Staley is an incredible specimen. He's on the sideline.

He's got like already graying. He's got like the Obama beard, like the Obama before and after his eight years as president. Staley's got like the salt and pepper stress beard coming in right now. I love it. He looks like he already got fired. He really did. He looks like that scene in fever pitch when they come in

and Jimmy Fallon's like watching the Red Sox play where the ball goes through the guy's legs, the Buckner play over and over and over. And they're like, hey, man, you need to take a shower. That's what Staley looks like right now. He's just like, he's just like reading analytics and trying to figure out whether or not he should go for it on fourth down next week.

Justin Herbert launching that, like, insane pass, 50 yards to put the game away. You know what it reminded me of? I felt like Paul George when Dame Lillard hit that like 45 foot three-pointer to end the series against the thunder. And Paul George was like, that was a bad shot. I don't care what anyone says. Bad shot.

That was, I felt like me. That was a bad play. Bad shot. That's like, don't you remember Steph, like shooting that three from like the half court line? And you see Inis Cantor on the sideline, like throw his hands up while the ball is in midair. It's the exact same feeling. Because it's like Herbert. I'm like, this ball is going to be perfect.

But just the audacity to run that play is peaks daily. The chutzpah. All right. Next up here. Yeah, your favorite award of mine, the debutante award for the players who are maturing the most in front of our very eyes. You know what? It plays.

The people love it. It's provocative. That's the worst part is that people like it. Our fans are sickos. What can I say? First up here, C.J. Stroud and Nico Collins. Hey, this pains me to say this. They absolutely destroyed the Steelers.

I'm already over it. The Steelers are terrible. Kenny Pickett's not good. their offensive lines and the last. Steelers got your holiday. It's fine. Don't worry about it.

Steelers got your holiday. It's fine. We don't even have a basketball team. But yeah, man, Strau just continues to look like a real-ass quarterback in the league. He is making smart plays. He's got no interceptions on the year. You know, there's only three quarterbacks

who don't have an interception this year. It's C.J. Stroud, Brock, Purdy, and Josh Dobbs. That's the stat of the year. Are you kidding? Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, man. And then going down to Nico Collins. Nico Collins is the number seven wide receiver right now on the year.

He looks amazing. The team just has great chemistry. It seems like everybody's meshing really well. All of the postgame interviews, everybody seems like happy. They really believe in themselves. This team is young. This team is hurt on the offensive line. And C.J. Estrada didn't get sacked today.

So they're a really impressive team. And they kick the shit out of the Steelers. I mean, yeah, they won't. 36, it was the Texans' biggest margin of victory since 2017. I mean, Strout, who won the rookie the month for September. Now, first day of October, I mean, second most passing yards through his first career four games ever, like just after Cam Newton. And then Strout, I mean, it's crazy a lot of what he's done.

I will say, though, I thought this was going to be the comeback to Earth game. Like, just facing the Steelers, just felt like a different caliber, like, I don't know, peeky blinders. it's like his different caliber of organization. And I'm not going to lie, dude, Steelers are pretty toothless. Like, if you just, like, digitally AI scrubbed the jersey colors

and, like, people's faces, and you ask, like, which one of these teams plays for Mike Tomlin? I probably still would have known the Steelers just because of the total ineptness on offense. But it's not the point. The fact that, I mean, on both sides of the ball, the team, Miko Ryan's, like,

has this team play really hard, really physical. But CJ Stroud, it's like the ball placement, it's the poise. It reminds me a lot of ways of, like, I mean, he had one of the, what I liked is they started early and they ended strong. Like they started and they just kind of like put it up. They were 16s here at halftime.

But then they had 14 more points in the fourth quarter. Just put you away in the last touchdown Cs, you just trod through. It's like I wouldn't have moved that ball a millimeter if I could have. Like it was just perfect. It looked honestly video game-esque and like it was predetermined before that it would just be a perfect throw. And then Nico Collins, to your point,

Nicolk Collins has basically matched his career high or is almost about to match his career high in every receiving category. for like the whole year, but like through four games. Yeah, he was a true diamond in the rough this year in fantasy. I mean, he's, he's, uh, Puka Nakuwa doesn't count because he wasn't on anybody's radar, but Nico Collins is a true like late round darling. He already has two games over 140 yards.

So yeah, man, they're, they're for real. I mean, they could win the division. And we're talking about Stroud tomorrow, too. Oh, I think, I totally can win the division. We'll talk about Stroud more on the waiver show too because you officially can. I mean, he's at 20 points each last three weeks. you're right about Nico it's incredible how much of fantasy

comes down to like a small handful of players and there's just like early round guys that are incredible guys that can be Kaffir or something and avoiding the injury landmines of just Nick Chubb and Sequin and Echler and like whatever's going to you know, Jamar Chase like all these like quarterback and Jason injuries

and then it's like guys outside the top 100 like most are it in 8-A and sorry 8-Cham and Nico Collins yeah the formula of fantasy is like I mean look let's be honest usually your first four picks, your first four rounds. As long as those guys don't get hurt,

they're most likely going to be playing well. That's why they're ranked so high. You basically need your first four picks to stay healthy the whole year. You need to find the Nico Collins, and you don't have to, and you don't draft Kyle Pitts. And that's the key to success. It's the holy trinity. The other quarterback, I just want to shout out,

while we're talking to debutantez. Dude, Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson has not looked as polished as CJ Stroud, but we weren't expecting. to, but he, again, just what was promised. Colts, so Colts were down 23 to nothing. It's crazy to say out. And then the Colts came back to go to overtime, 23 to 23.

And they ended up losing an overtime, but it was still like a pretty like incredible performance from Anthony Richardson. Like, Richardson, I think there was a point 40 minutes in the game. He had five completions. Like, it was ugly. but then once they started coming back Anthony Richardson finished with 11 for 25 for 200 yards and two touchdowns

and he ran like for 56 yards and score but like the once he did complete like Lupe remember Lupio Fiaski was like laser like there were just throws that honestly looked like Shohei Otani line drives like Otani had a home run a couple months ago that was like a line drive

and it just went over the fence Richardson had a couple throws like that where I'm like it's not supposed to stay on that trajectory for that long it looked like a like I had lost track of the football by accident. Yeah, you needed to watch the game, too, because he had a couple inkly passes that were dimes, just like back shoulder lasers that weren't caught.

But I have a theory here about comebacks, and especially with, like, young quarterbacks who are streaky. I almost think that if you're playing defense, if you're calling defense, when you're up a lot, you usually ease up, right? You start to allow passes in front of you, let them dink and dime because it'll eat clock. I don't think you should change your defensive philosophy at all

if you're up big. Because what happened, I think, with Richardson is he started, like, getting the flow. You complete a couple passes. You start to get comfortable, your confidence boosts. And before you know it, he's like, you know, dialed in. To me, like, you should play defense the same way the entire game. And even if you're up 25 points, don't ease up. Don't start, you know, bringing the safeties back

and letting them put things in front of you. You're just letting him get reps and letting him complete passes and get momentum. There's two ways to think about it. Yes, I agree with you on that. The other thing that's really interesting is that, especially with rookie quarterbacks, there is a reason. Actually, you know who's the perfect example? This is Kenny Pickett.

You know how Kenny Pickett's just better in the no-huddle than he is in any other form of offense? Yeah, he needs that flow state. Now, I do think a huge part of it is flow state. However, the other reason is they're just passing more. Like, the most basic thing is the coaches get everything backwards sometimes, where you do, you know, you're so deep in the wormhole. you forget the basics. The coaches are like, well, we don't want to put too much on this rookie.

So we're going to do a run game. We're going to like run the ball. But then what happens is you run the ball on first down. And then you're like, oh, well, and then you run the ball in second. And then it's like second and ten. And then you get the rookie, the quarterback in the third and nine. And now they're going to pass. Now the defense knows they're going to pass in third or nine.

Now the rookie is screwed because the defense is nothing about the run. And in reality, when you're in those behind situations, you're throwing on first and 10. And so the defense is still actually playing run and pass. And the easiest time for quarterback to throw. is when you could do either. And so it's incredible how many teams make the mistake of, well, we need to establish the run.

And in reality, having a rookie quarterback throw on first and 10 is like the best time for them to throw. So, and it's, anyway, can you imagine, speaking of post-game clarity, I feel bad for the post-game clarity of the Panthers. Can you imagine being a Panthers fan being like your team traded up from, like, for the first overall pick and you get the pick of the litter,

Seedis Stroud looks like he will be a quarterback health, you know, pending for a decade. Like, Cedistrate right now looks like he'll be playing in the 2030s. Anthony Richardson looks that good. And Bryce Young looks exactly like we've, like a boy among men. Yeah, he's not maturing nicely. He didn't get invited to the debut top ball. He's kind of like, it's like when a child actor is like really good, you know, like two and half men, the kid from two and a half men.

I think his name is Angus Jones. that kid was incredible the first two seasons. That's like Bryce Young in college. You're like, wow, the timing on this kid is impeccable. Bryce Young, the timing, amazing. And he starts to get older. It starts getting a little weird. Starts acting with the adult.

He's an adult now. It kind of doesn't really work. And you're like, I don't know. He's a little uncomfortable now. He's just maturing a little weirdly. That's kind of like Bryce Young for me right now. I'm like, yeah, he was a kid star. You know, it usually doesn't work out.

That's really good where you're like, oh, he's like old enough to be in on it. I'm like, no, it was funnier. when you were like little, but now it's like you're not you're a cute kid. Now it's like you have like a five o'clock shadow in like an Adams apple, I don't know. Your voice dropped.

Yeah, that Bryce Young yeah, it's tough. The fact that they don't have the pick, man, is so brutal. Oh, the Bears. I mean, we'll get to the Bears in a little bit, but the Bears right now have the top two picks in the draft. Yeah. Caleb Williams and Marvin Harrison Jr. just waiting for him. I mean, the Bears fans should be thrilled, by the way.

Should we just talk about the game now? It was much more interesting when we thought the Cardinals might. I also have funny that the Cardinals and the Texans might get the top two picks because the Cardinals have the Texans pick. And now the Texans look good. But at least that was interesting because it's like, oh, well, they have Kyler. They could trade Kyler. They could use these picks.

And the Bears, it's like, what would you even get for Fields if you traded him? It's like the Bears will just use the picks. Bears fans should be thrilled. It was the best case scenario. I will say this was this game was everything for everybody. it was so embarrassing for the Broncos and everyone associated with Denver but they just escaped in a way

that they don't have to really like be held accountable and the bears, all right, how funny is it that Chase Claypool says the coaches don't know how to use me and then the coaches make him a healthy scratch and apparently tell Chase Claypool

stay at home. We don't want you to come to the game. That's like when you mouth off to your parents and you're like, you know, and the coach was like, oh yeah, we don't know how to use you. I'll use you. I'll use you at your house. Why don't you go sit home,

watch a game on TV like everybody else? They literally grounded him. And then Justin Fields literally had basically the best passing game of his career. His career was 291. He had 285 yards, I think, in this game. Four touchdowns. All passing.

Yeah. Yeah. And they still lost, which is upsetting, but honestly, literal best case scenario. Fields look good and you lost, got the pick.

If your Bears friend, what else could you want? Don't you think with Denver? Like, cool, they won, right? But it would have been, it does, it's not the same kind of win. It didn't quite hit the same. Like I feel like in the postgamer, Sean Payton can't walk up and be like, yeah, that's right. It felt like a loss.

They had to scratch and claw to, I mean, dude, they needed 17 points in the fourth quarter to beat the Bears who haven't won since the previous year. Like, the Bears have not won since October of last year. Yeah. It's tough. Again, think about everything Sean Payton said about Nate Hackett and the Broncos. Like, this team is worse. And Russ isn't playing bad. No, the defense is like the worst.

I mean, the defense is they made Justin Fields look like freaking Mahomes. Again, they let it, Justin Fields is going to be not being in the NFL because he can't pass. And he had his best game ever today. So that's not good. They made the Navy quarterback throw four touchdowns. When's the last time Navy threw four touchdowns? That is exactly. Yeah, that's bad.

Well, actually, I have a new Navy quarterback for you in a little bit here. I would like to give the AFC West Award to the AFC North. And what I mean by that is, do you remember last year when the AFC West was like anointed as the greatest division ever and like the Broncos and everyone? And we're like, actually, everyone sucks. It's the chiefs are good and the Raiders and the Broncos all these teams suck. That's the AFC North this year. The AFC North was supposed to be the best division in football supposed to be incredible.

Guess what? The Ravens beat the Browns. The Ravens beat the Browns 20 to 3. Steelers lost to the Texans, a rookie quarterback with a third string left tackle, 30 to 6. The Bengals lost to the Titans 27 to 3. So that means the Ravens were good. The Steelers, Bengals and Browns lost combined was that 85 to 12 and didn't score a touchdown. This was supposed to be the best division in football. Yeah, look, the Browns, I'm not concerned. DeShon Watson didn't play and they lost to a good Ravens team. That not as concerning. Steelers,

Bengals, we already went over the Steelers. Bengals are kind of a disaster. They're in the worst spot. They're in that no man's land. It's like the Chargers last year where Herbert heard his ribs early in the season, but he wasn't hurt enough to miss time, but he was hurt enough to let it affect his play and he was too tough to sit. And that's kind of where Burrow is right now,

where he's not going to sit because he's too competitive, but he's so limited on the field that he's essentially Adele at a concert. He's park and barking right now. He can't even shift in the pocket. He's practically playing on crutches. No, Joe Burrow is 100% parking barking.

I mean, again, just reading his lot, again, Joe Burrow, today, 27 to 3 they lost 20 of 30 completion 20 completions 30 attempts 165 yards and 30 passes the Navy offense this week had 90 passing yards but they had two touchdowns so if you were passing yards but the Navy

passing offense had more fantasy points than Joe Burrow so that's bad this is the highest paid player in the NFL like the Navy what do they got this season Navy offense has 300 they have like over 400 passing yards so a little behind Joe I don't know what you do. Maybe you sit him the week before your bye week

and you give him essentially three weeks off and hope he can come back and you only miss one game. But I get not sitting him because you're going to lose any game. You sit him and you at least give yourself a shot if he's playing. The Bengals, I don't know why again. The weirdest thing,

it's funny that we do fantasy football where so much of fantasy football is about, well, if this player gets hurt, who would you play behind them? And it's crazy to me that the Bengals, again, when the Eagles won the Super Bowl with Nick Foles, I was like, oh, well, every good team will just have a great backup now. Why wouldn't you? It's the most important position in sports. And it's so funny to me that Joe Burrow got hurt with a calf

injury that's like notoriously difficult to know when to come back through and very notoriously easy to aggravate the injury. And the Bengals had the entire, like, it wasn't even August it was July. And they're like, should we get a good backup? And the Bengals were like, nah, Jake Browning will work. It's like, dude, Teddy Bridgewater was out there. Like all, like, there was so many possibilities. And they just hand him this quarter of a billion dollar contract. Admittedly, T. Higgins went out with a rib entry today. But, dude, again, he can't move.

Like, I am not exaggerating. Maybe people have heard us say this and think we're being hyperbolic. We are not. This Bengals team is a much more talented Ben Rothesberger Steelers' offense from two, three years ago. Like, 48, I'm not kidding. It's the same freaking thing. 48 out of 51 plays we're in shotgun today. 40, that's 94% of their plays who had a shotgun.

Yeah, he can't even do like a five-step drop. The Stephen A. Smith rant about Kwame Brown. He's like, can't move. Can't get, you know, can't commit a move to memory. It's like he cannot do anything. He's getting rid of the ball today in 2.1 seconds on average. Out of 38 quarterbacks and through past today, it was 37th. The only guy who get rid of a quicker was Cooper Rush

mopping up with the Cowboys. Like, literally if you, that time to throw, again, you can't move. So you get rid of your shotgun because you're too old to even back up. Two years ago, the people, getting rid of the ball at 2.1 seconds where Colt McCoy, Ben Rathesberger, and Tom Brady, who have all retired because they were old. Burroughs should hit up Alvin Camara. Maybe it's like a weight distribution issue in the legs. Yeah, well, yeah, I think his leg attribute. I wish D.K. were here. I want, can I read you, all right, this is from the athletic. D.K. would love this.

The Bengals offense has scored three touchdowns the season in four weeks, which is the fewest by any team through four games since the 2020 New York Giants, which were quarterback by second year quarterback Daniel Jones. I mean, they're averaging 10 points a game. 10 points again. That's not better. The Bengals are averaging less than a point per drive. It's the fewest for a team through four games since the 2019 New York Jets.

So we're like Joe Burrow. I know his name is Joe Burrow and they have Jamar Chase and like they just went to the Super a couple years ago. But they are literally playing like this Daniel Jones Giants from 2020 and the Sam Darnel Jets. That is what this team's actually doing. Joe Burroughs completion percentage and passes more than 15 yards downfield is 9%. who needs to trade for a quarterback more? The Jets or the Bengals?

It's a good. Honestly, the bank, like, again, maybe I'm just, dude, why is Jacoby Brissette a Washington commander? Like, I don't understand. Like, I literally don't understand how, like, a fourth round pick is worth more. I don't get it. Look, these guys are cocky.

I don't know what to tell you. They don't think they need it. The only quarterbacks with a lower EPA per dropback than Joe Burrow this year are Bryce Young and Kenny Pickett. Man, Pickett. Every stat sting still. I'm not going to lie. Are you more concerned about the Bengals and Steelers? I mean, Kenny Pickett, you guys lost, but Kenny Pickett heard his knee today.

You're back to Trubisky. I mean, I'm more concerned about the Steelers, like long term. I mean, I'd rather have Joe Burrow with his calf issue right now than Kenny Pickett. But long term, yeah, no, I mean, you guys suck. But like, I don't know. I mean. Yeah. do we tank? I don't know. I was thinking about it. Caleb?

I will say, are you, all right, yeah, true serum right now. There might be like five quarterbacks that go in the first round of this draft. We don't know exactly yet. Would you just punt on Kit Pickett? Are you like really in on this guy? You watch the NFL these days. You're watching Richardson. You're watching strategy. Like, yeah, Kenny Pickett. This is the guy. No, I think I'm out. I think this. I think today was the 16th game. I could be wrong right around there. So it's been a season for him. Because he got hurt, and he was, Trubisky replaced him. And it's exactly week four of last year that he replaced Trubisky at halftime. But he missed a couple games for a concussion in the middle of the year. So maybe it was only his 15th game. Yeah.

I mean, if you could tell me right now that Drake May is on the Steelers next year, I would do it in a second. Yeah. It's, yikes. All right. This is a time for two tight ends that outscored CalPets. America's favorite segment. It's England's favorite segment. Yeah.

three third ends who outscored Kyle Pitts in a lie. Kyle Pitts this week, checking in on old Kyle here, two catches, 21 yards, out of boy. Three fantasy points, three point one, to be exact. You really got to get with the decimals when you talk about how many points Cow Pitts scored because the decimal could really affect his total points by like 20%. You know what I mean? It's not like we're talking about 25.3 versus 25.4. It's like he scored 1.4 or 1.5.

That's a big difference percentage-wise. Kyle Pitts I just wanted to mention before I get into the game here his teammate Jonu Smith was the tight end three on the day he had 95 yards Johnu Smith had 95 yards today

Kyle Pitts on the season is 121 Stop it, stop it No he doesn't Yes he does That's a true fact, real fact All right so I'm going to give you I'm going to give you three tight ends here Two of them out scored Kyle Pitts

One did not CJ Usama Tyler Conklin Jeremy Ruckert Oh my God Oh my God Stop it I know what you did

Oh my God Are these old These are all jets tight ends This might be an all-timer For this segment Three Jets tight ends Outscored Kyle Pitts All three of these guys

are Jets tight ends And they all outscored Kyle Pitts I never thought It would get lower than Kyle Pitts Is not the highest scoring Fantasy titan on the Falcons and I regret being like,

I regret not doubling down that that would happen again this season, but the fact that he'd be the fourth highest scoring tight end end of the Jets. Like, I need to get Arthur on the phone now and be like, hey man, Jeremy Ruckert, Conklin, and Uzama

all outscored your guy today. Okay? And you got smoked again. Oh, yeah, they got smoked. They admit he's not 100% healthy, but I will say, again, we said it on Wednesday I reiterate, Kyle Pitts is a by low

because you can't literally go lower anyone who has him is thinking about cutting him. Again, he's tight end 29, like today. Think about that. There are 28 tight ends you could have that aren't Kyle Pitts. So whoever wants him, you can swap literally any tight end on the rod. There's probably your worst. I think there are probably people that would swap Pitts for like a kicker.

I mean, no, people want to cut him. But I think Desmond Ritter is going to get benched because Desmond Ritter is a non-competitive quarterback. And I actually think Taylor Hineke, I think Taylor Hineke could get him the ball. So I don't know if he's going to do anything, but it would not shock me if Kyle Pitts literally had the best month of his career immediately after Taylor Harnicky play.

There's a strong chance that Kyle Pitts is on waivers. We'll have to check tomorrow and see what his roster ship percentage is. Because there's a chance, if he does this for a couple more weeks, he might just be like on most league's waivers. And you could, I guess, add him. Burn book time?

Burn book. I have a nominee, do you? Yeah, I do. Well, first of all, how appropriate. Week one, we burned Drake. London for the Falcons. Week two, we burned Kyle Pitts for the Falcons. Week three, we burned Najee Harris. And then week four, I love that's just Falcons and Najee. Who's your candidate this week? So there's a tight end out there who was drafted in the top seven or eight at his position,

just like Kyle Pitts, who had a great year last year, who has been so horrific this season and nobody is discussing it. He is the tight end is 31. That is two spots below Kyle Pitts. He's the 31st overall tight end. Dallas Goddard has 15 fantasy points on the entire season. He has 88 yards this year, Dallas Goddard. He's a disaster. He's the tight end 31. He's been worse than Kyle Pitts this year. Dallas Goddard. Dallas Goddard worse than Kyle Pitts. No one's talking about it. Did you see on the AJ Brown touchdown Dallas Goddard was like waving like, yeah, he's open. He's like air traffic control. The guy who doesn't help with the group project. That's Dallas Goddard every week. That's pretty good.

I mean, I kind of think we have to go with that. I feel like I'm doubted burn Dallas-Gaardt. You want to do it? I mean, people are livid. We got one email being like, guys, what the fuck? Is he behind Jeremy Rucker? He certainly was today. I don't know what he is on the season.

Probably close. Titan 31 Dallas Goddard? The Eagles are 4-0. Yeah, freaking losers. What a loser, Dallas gotter. He should be like, I'm upset with winning. I want the ball more. He's below Tyler Conklin this season.

Oh, yeah, we can burn him then. that's pretty wild. Yeah. All right. Dallas got it, you're in the burn book. We might need to add another person here to the burn book

on this podcast. Yeah. So about the thing, I think more people were mad at me for what we talked about. What was it like the last three days?

What was it like on the internet? Was it fun at all? No. Would you like to summarize for those who don't know? So on Friday, Thursday's show came out Friday. We had an argument at the end of the show

about whether the song Unbop by Hansen was a bigger deal than teenagers by My Chemical Romance. Hyfitz and I were very divided on the subject. High Fitts supported teenagers. I said that Mbop was a much bigger song. And we took it to the streets.

You know, we let the people decide. We hosted a poll. We got over 4,200 votes. The final tally, 78% said Umbap was a bigger song. And you know it's funny, Kai, who produces our shows during the week, during the week, he actually cut out some of the data that I threw at you, which I think was smart of him because it kind of made the vote a little more impartial, to be honest,

because I was throwing out, you know, and we got so many goddamn emails. I said this at the start of the show. We legitimately got almost 400 emails. I tweeted what our inbox looked like. The headlines of every email is just mbop, mbop, mbop. Let me give you some stats about it. Mubab first teenagers here. Huyves was so adamant about this.

Huyves is very smart. Look, you're right most of the time. You win most of the trivias. So I feel very vindicated about this. Because pop culture is like the only thing I have. Um, Bop was the number one song in the country. Number one on Billboard Top 100. It was the number one song for three weeks.

Teenagers never even cracked the top 50. Mbop was the number 57 song on the Billboard Hot 100 of the 90s. It was the number 57 song of the 90s and teenagers was 60. in 2006. Mbop was nominated for two Grammys, Teenagers, Zero. Mbop was the number one song in 12 countries.

Rolling Stone ranked Mbop as the ninth best boy band song of all time. You know, I... Yeah. I'm going to give it to you. I'm having you in the first half. Yeah, yeah. Yikes.

Yeah. So, well, many things. You were right. I was wrong. you're smart. I'm dumb. I will say this.

Last year, I kind of put the majority of my professional credibility saying that Josh Jacobs was yada, yada, yada, yada, like the last person I wanted my fantasy team. And then Josh Jacobs led the league in rushing and was like the single best player you could have had in fantasy. And I remember thinking if there was one silver lining, so statistically speaking, I'll never be that wrong ever again. and I actually felt more wrong about this than I did about anything I've ever said in my entire life because I did not encounter a single person who agreed with me literally not one.

I know, who are the 21%? They must have like, they must have like misinterpreted the question. Or they just did it because they felt bad. Literally there are dozens of us. To quote the flex Jackie, Jackie said, not only are you wrong, but it's embarrassing and you should feel bad about yourself. So what is with this song? Like, I don't get the song.

That's the thing. What does that matter? What's with? Like, I feel like I missed this. Or maybe my whole life, I just thought, like, I listened to the background. I thought it was like the Jackson. You did miss it. My guy.

Clearly. Who are these people? You're like, I feel like I missed this. Of course you missed it. That's why you were so off. Who are these people? Where are they right? Do you think we can get Hanson on the show?

I don't think so. I think they made enough money off that song that they're probably doing just fine still. There was a lot of funny emails we got. Can I read you if you? Yeah, please. The floor is yours. In terms of the individual song and the cultural impact,

it's not even remotely a question. And this is from somebody who was six years old and in Australia of all places when this song came out. Nick writes, I can't stress enough how wrong hyphitz is about teenagers, being more popular than Mbop. The best barometer for how big in the Zikey something is,

as always, do my parents know what it is? My parents unquestionably, remember Hanson, no idea about my chemical romance. Hanson was over every talk show. They went on Letterman, Regis, Kathy Lee,

fucking Oprah. I think they were on Howard Stern at one point. Someone else said that they were on the cover of TV guide and like, they were on the cover of three magazines

that are basically, I yeah no I I don't I I feel look you can't win them all you know what I mean like we're making predictions for a living here you take else you know short term memory you threw a pick get back out there start zinging so it's mbop not mbop oh yeah people also were upset about your pronunciation yeah it's mbop m m m m well i can't say pounties right so i mean how many you get mbop well do you like the song you need to go back and listen yeah look it's an earworm for sure am i putting it on driving to the grocery store tomorrow? Probably not. But it's not really, I don't hear it that much anymore. So when it comes on now, I find it charmingly nostalgic. But it's catchy.

I feel bad that D.K. was not here for this conversation. And I honestly fear what he will say when he comes back. I feel like D.K. will never be more disappointed at me. D.K. is off the grid right now. I don't even know if he has service. And the amount of notifications that that man is going to get when he turns his phone off airplane mode, you don't have to get a new phone. All right, you were right. So I was thinking, Craig, we don't usually talk about this stuff on the show, but I was thinking, let's just, we don't have to use the polls anymore.

That was cool. But like, we don't have to do it. Yeah, it's fine. I'm not, you know, find a new slant. I can't wait for D.K. to get back and hear this. D.K. definitely loves it Mbop. You know what's funny, though, when you were like, what is the song even? If you actually read the lyrics, they make no sense.

Like most pop songs from the like 90s, 2000s don't make any sense. The song is quite sad if you read the lyrics. It's about like being alone and how people are going to leave you and you can't depend on anybody. And then it just cruises right into this like upbeat jibbers course. Oh my God. Wait. You have so many relationships of this life. Only one or two will last.

Also, they have two brothers. One or two will last. What a crazy. You'll go through all the pain and strife. and then you turn your back and they're gone so fast. Oh my God. Like, it doesn't make any sense. Well, that's what I always say about this show,

like doing this pod with, you know, you and D.K. It's one or two of these relationships will last. You're a good sport about it. I don't think I've gotten so many Twitter notifications than I have in the last three days. I thank you to everyone for emailing and you were right. I was wrong. We read a lot of emails.

I literally have nothing to say to defend myself. I've never, I've never gotten feedback in that. Just go in a run tomorrow, toss it on, think about what you've done. I might just call it Mbop for the rest of my life, though, just out of, like, pure. It is hard. Admittedly, it's hard to pronounce Mbop.

You really have to, like, pause before you say it to kind of get the mouth in the right position. So hot right now, Hansen. All right, we're getting out of here. I'm literally going to die. All right. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Krollish for producing this episode.

So thank you to the 400 people who emailed us about Mbop and the 500 people who told them to be about on Twitter and everyone who DM me on Instagram and the thousands of people voted in the poll. But mostly, mostly, thank you to the like 30 people who voted that teenagers was better than Mbop. Thank you, Lauren. Uh, thank you. Hanson. Man, D.K. It has to be Hanson. Does that count, though?

All right, fine. We've been talking about him, though. I can't name another Hanson song. I'll tell you that. People were like, yeah, dude, I love, you know what the first, I knew I was done with that when the first person who, like, they must have listened to the episode immediately. And someone, like, added me on Twitter and was like, hey, man, I love my chemical romance. Seen them like 20 times.

Just actually saw them like in the new tour. Dude, that's like the sixth best song on that album. Like, there's not even close. I was like, wow. That's a really bad start. Look, you have strong opinions and you hold them strongly. I think it's a great quality. Sometimes that results in a miss every now and then.

I think that the problem is it has more... The problems teenagers is like a good song and there's staying power. No, I think the problem is that in your world, you liked the song teenagers a lot. And it meant a lot to you and your friends liked it. Where was I? I don't know. Scrubs thing. It's a Scrubs thing where he like drives.

a scooter to a puddle and then like disappears in the puddle that comes up like like like 20 yards later. It's like, where was I? That's how I feel. That's your parents. Maybe it's their fault. Hey, mom, why did you play the radio more? Huh? Where was I in 97 to 2003 when Umbaub was the only thing on the radio? Honestly, no. It's a little brother. My brother controlled the music. You think I think I was in control the, you think I was in control the radio? Have you asked your brother if he knows what the song is? Oh, shit. I'm going to text him right now. I like the idea of him waking up to a text message in the middle of the night. And it's you saying, Michael, get up.

Have you heard of Mbop by Hansen? Just call him right now. Should I just call him right now? He's like, this better be fucking good. You're like, you know that song? Mbop. Should I call him? Yeah, who cares?

Yeah, it's his fault if like the phone wakes him up, right? Oh my God, he responded. Okay, okay. Hello? You're literally on the show. we're at the end of the episode, the part where we talk after the thank yous. Did you ever,

did you know the song, Mbop? I did not. You did not? Negative. Did you listen to the episode where we're talking about it? No. Okay.

Okay, so have you ever heard that, Craig, well, no, here up. You know, it's like, mbop, how does it go, Craig? Do what? Mbap. Yeah, and that's. Okay.

Okay. So you know the song? Yeah. Okay. I didn't know what it's called. was bigger. That song or teenagers by my chemical romance. Mm-bub. God damn it. You did see the polls. Liar. Go back to sleep. I'm glad I woke you up.

Yeah, this is against a time. All right. Bye. Tough beat. It was just you living under a rock. Checking, watching EPA per play stats. Well, everybody else is out running around, listen to Mbop. You know who didn't know Mbop? Bullet Baker on the Chicago Cardinals. Chick-Lang. They probably voted in the poll.

Ernie Nevers. The Chicago Cardinals voted in the poll. I think it was the whole team that made up the dozen. They're the guys who voted for teenagers. Yeah, they're the ones who voted for May Russ Method. All right. Getting out of here. Goodbye, everyone.