The Ringer NFL Show - Week 4 Winners, Waivers, and Burns

Episode Date: October 5, 2020

We open the show with Dak Prescott and the Cowboys’ historic fantasy start to the season before breaking down our winners of the week, adding to our fantasy burn book, and recommending our top waive...r adds after Week 4. Headlines: Dak Prescott (2:34) Winners: Tom Brady, Buccaneers (13:42) Justin Herbert, Chargers (17:08) Antonio Gibson, Washington (22:37) Odell Beckham Jr., Browns (27:51) Fantasy Burn Book (36:33) Waiver Adds (40:34) Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 On this episode of the ringer fantasy football show, we talk about the Cowboys making fantasy football history, why you should trade away Odell Beckham, and who you should add after injuries to Nick Chubb and Austin Echler. We recorded this before Bill O'Brien was fired, but rest assured we will get to that this week. And also, I make a great reference to men in black that Craig and D.K. did not get, but it was really funny, I swear. Stick around. Welcome to the ringer fantasy football show. I am Danny Hyfitz here with Danny Kelly
Starting point is 00:00:42 and Craig Coralbeck, the season is a fourth over. D.K., how does that make you feel? A fourth. We're at the quarter mark, in other words. We're at the quarter pole. What's your favorite expression there? 25% works for me. A fourth over sounded weird to me. That's like how old people say, I shouldn't say old people, how my parents will say like, it's a quarter to six, and I've never said that once in my life. I'm referring to time. I don't know where that officially passed on to the younger generation of like, we don't say that,
Starting point is 00:01:11 but no one says that. The British say like half seven. My dad will say like it's 10 to 7. I never say that. Yeah, that one was definitely when back when the clocks had to be an actual clock with the analog and then not when just the numbers could just tell you. Really, it's people didn't want to do the math. I think that's what it was.
Starting point is 00:01:28 You're to do the, oh, yeah, 10 is 50. Like, that was for the people who were like didn't want to do the math in their heads. They're like, oh, everyone is 10 minutes. Okay, sure. Whatever it is. The point is. So we have 70. Four games been played.
Starting point is 00:01:41 We have 12 games until the season's over. Well, the real thing is someone said... In theory. The same... Now that the actual calendar year is also exactly three quarters over, and someone said, I hope the fourth quarter of this year, 2020 is kind of like the Atlanta Falcons. I thought that was good. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:01:59 So, yeah, there's 12 games left in theory. We'll see if they actually finish 12 games. It's also not the quarter of season mark for a couple teams. And we're really a third into the regular season for fantasy. This is true. True. So, close. We're at the point where things are real and the disappointment you've had from your early season players, you know, is kind of real.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Your excitement is kind of real. D.K., the Seahawks are 4'0. That's exciting. I think they're legitimately pretty good. Yeah. They seem to be great. I'll take it. And it's exciting that we're at the point where the things that are happening are kind of real because the Cowboys got absolutely shit-housed by the Browns.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Yeah, that can't not be the headline of. what we're talking about today. 31 points at halftime, the Browns had. That is the most they've had at halftime in, like, 1991. I think it was since 1991. We came into this game, well, we didn't come into the game. I don't think we entered the field. We talked about the game before it happened, and we said the Cowboys' past defense sucked.
Starting point is 00:03:01 And then the Cowboys gave up 307 rushing yards, even though Nick Chubb got hurt. What do you guys make of this Cowboys offense, where it's DAC has now thrown 450 yards plus three weeks in a row. The defense is awful. Is this like the perfect fantasy storm? Yes. I think the 2020 Cowboys have now joined the Atlanta Falcons and others as part of the professional fantasy football teams.
Starting point is 00:03:23 It's just teams that may or may not be good in your life, but they're just fantasy gold mines because they're just all shootouts, all garbage time, all the time. And I think this year it's the Seahawks, the Falcons, the Cowboys, and to a lesser extent, the Chiefs. But the Cowboys are now firmly in that range. I think the Falcons have been there for years. And the Cowboys are right in it now. The thing that also makes this especially fun through four weeks is the way that the NFL is using,
Starting point is 00:03:47 and we talked about this before, the way that they're not calling offensive penalties, it's just an offensive bonanza. And when you have these combinations of teams with really good offenses and really fucking terrible defenses, add in those rule changes. And man, it's just been really, really fun. In fact, I actually think you could count the bills in here too, just because of the way that Josh Allen is playing. Because when they get a lead, he's also the running back.
Starting point is 00:04:13 And he's also still prone to those wild plays. So you're always going to get like a little bit of intrig, a little bit of the Yolo ball going on. The only reason I don't put the bills in there is because I think a professional fantasy football team needs to have every position player hit every week usually. And the Seahawks do that. Bill's running backs don't really produce too well. Well, except from Michael Gallup, who is just, Dak Prescott throws her 502 yards. Michael Gallup gets 29. Yeah, he's been frustrating.
Starting point is 00:04:42 He's such a good player. He's such a good player. He basically just has to come down with 50-50 balls. And if he doesn't, his day sucks. Michael Gallup is the Will Fuller of the Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Yeah, except he's not open. Well, Will Fuller, I actually said he'd get 113 yards. You got 108. So I'm proud of that. Also, I don't think I hit the thing. So that sucks.
Starting point is 00:05:00 He should have had a second touchdown. I want to throw out a few stats about the Cowboys' offense through four weeks. through one quarter of the season. Right now, Dak Prescott has 1,690 passing yards through four games. That is the most through four games
Starting point is 00:05:16 of any quarterback in NFL history. It puts them on pace for 6760, so 6,760 yards in a 16 game season. The NFL record right now is 5477. I don't know why I can't say these numbers. 5,477 yards by Peyton Manning. So you're saying he's on pace to break it by 1,000? By like 1,300.
Starting point is 00:05:37 What would you guys say the odds are of two people breaking that this year? I think they're really high. And it's because of what we just talked about. It's the rules, man. They've made these rule changes. Essentially, you can't play defense anymore. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:05:51 I mean, it's amazing for us fantasy idiots. This is like P.E. Flagg football now. To give you some context into, like, this whole thing, the most fantasy points by a quarterback through his team's first four games of a season since 1950. So this is the current ranks pending Monday night football. So we don't know the ending of Monday night football.
Starting point is 00:06:13 But Russell Wilson has 124.9. That is the most ever through four games. In 70 years. That's crazy. Yeah. Dak Prescott is second this year, 122.2 points. So Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott are, yes. Yes, I know.
Starting point is 00:06:28 It sounds like we're just ranking the 2020 quarterback. This is every quarterback that's ever played since 1950. Peyton Manning was 120. He's third all time from his 20. 2013 season when he threw like 55 touchdowns. Josh Allen is fourth. Three out of the first four. And then we might have Patrick Mahomes,
Starting point is 00:06:46 depending on how he does tonight. To answer your question and to kind of give context of what we're seeing this season, yes, like, I think there's going to be a lot of passing records because what we've seen through four weeks is literally historic. It's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:06:59 There's each game is averaging over 50 points per game. That's like the most ever. And it's just, yeah, I mean, it makes perfect sense why it's happening. It's, you know, penalties are a huge deal. Think about how many drive-killing holding calls you see in NFL games typically. You're not seeing those as much. Oh, the odds of a team scoring on a drive where they get holding penalties, I believe, is just under, it basically double.
Starting point is 00:07:26 The odds of the holding penalty going away doubles. The odds of being able to score. It goes from something like 20% to 40%. Wow. And so then holding goes down, what? it's down like 60 or 70% from where it was this time last year. So that right there is astonishing, not to mention the basic built-in,
Starting point is 00:07:42 baked-in advantage offenses seem to have thus far. Just less practice time helps offenses because defense is harder to jail. Defense is harder to do in the first place. So this is not so. Are you like, is this just an early season quirk of this was glorified preseason? We just watched and now it's going to be regular football
Starting point is 00:08:01 or something closer to it. And you're trying to try. trade one of these guys for a running back because you have Sequin and he's gone and or you just like, nope, I'm going to ride. Because we were talking, I feel like just a few days ago about unicorn seasons for Russell Wilson. But now it's Russ, DAC,
Starting point is 00:08:16 and Josh Allen are all historic. Maybe Patrick Mahomes based on what we did last night. Are you all riding any of these four guys? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sticking with these guys because I mean, man, if you've got Russell Wilson or DAC in your lineup, it's such a massive advantage so far. And
Starting point is 00:08:32 like we talked about on previous pod, like, I don't necessarily know if it's going to change that much. Russell's not going to keep that up. Dak is probably not going to keep up this pace, though, like, their teams kind of give them opportunities to do so because their defense is so bad, but... I'll say this about Dak. I think the DAC one is more likely... I think it's more likely that DAC breaks the yardage record than it is that Russ breaks the
Starting point is 00:08:54 touchdown record, because the thing about Russ and the touchdowns is that he was throwing them a lot, but they also just happened to be scoring a lot, and he was getting all the touchdowns on the offense. What you saw against the Dolphins was a fairly normal regression, but regression implies a lot of math. It's not complicated. The Seahawks had 15 touchdowns and 14 of them were passing touchdowns through the first three games. Obviously, that's going to correct.
Starting point is 00:09:17 It's not crazy that Russ can keep playing great, but then Chris Carson will punch in it at the two. That's normal. Dak really might have to just keep chucking the ball to stay unless the Cowboys defense gets better. There's not really a blueprint to this getting better because it's a lot about health and guys who aren't there right now. I mean, Jalen Smith is healthy. He hasn't been playing very well at linebacker for the Cowboys. Vandaresh is hurt.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Sean Lee is hurt. Their other cornerbacks are gone. So at least for the next few weeks, I think this is going to keep going. We'll see if the Cowboys' defense gets back on track. But I think Prescott's yardage thing, I think it's legit. This is crazy.
Starting point is 00:09:49 I mean, he's just had, he's had career highs back-to-back games. Yeah. And remember, like, for each of these numbers, we're comparing it to the first couple of weeks of other seasons, too. So it's not just like they're on pace to set. to set these records. Because as the season goes on, the weather gets worse.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Generally speaking, you have more injuries, blah, blah, blah. The offensive numbers kind of level out. But these are historic numbers based on, you know, the same early season games. And so, like, in other words, the offenses from these other years had the same advantages of fewer injuries and better weather and all that.
Starting point is 00:10:23 So bottom line, I'm going to ride out these offensive explosions with these quarterbacks because I think it gives your team a massive advantage if you have one of those guys on your team, now. So basically full go against if your guys are trying to stream someone or whoever, your starters are playing whoever, the Cowboys
Starting point is 00:10:39 are a huge matchup. The Falcons and the Seahawks. Those are like the three go, go, go matchups especially for people in the receiving game. Right. Because the defense is suck. Okay, cool. Who won the week? So top scores of the week, quarterback, Dak Prescott was number one. Tom
Starting point is 00:10:55 Brady was number two. Teddy Bridgewater was number three. Yeah. Running back. What a list. Tom Brady Bridgewater. My God. Running back was Joe Mixin, Dalvin Cook at two, and then Melvin Gordon
Starting point is 00:11:07 was the third top running back. Wide receiver, it was Odell. D.K., shout out to you. DJ Shark was number two receiver, and then Amari Cooper was the third receiver. And Cidi Lamb was the fourth top receiver. And then it tied in.
Starting point is 00:11:22 It was Mark Andrews, is number one. O.J. Howard at two, who has an Achilles injury, it might be out for the season now. And then someone I have never heard of before, which is Donald Parham Jr. who had one catch for 19 yards.
Starting point is 00:11:36 What? He was not the tight end three? I think he was the tight end three. How is it not like... Let's fact check this. Dalton Schultz or something. Oh, I must have looked at the wrong list. Dalton Schultz had 15 points this week.
Starting point is 00:11:49 That totally makes more sense. What the hell was I doing? Also, you missed George Kittle. Oh, I see what happened here. It goes Kittle Andrews Schultz. We're going to keep all this. So it was George Kittle won because he absolutely just.
Starting point is 00:12:01 destroyed on Sunday night. Holy shit, yeah. Oh, I'm an idiot. I sorted this from a list that it had, like, the site was cacheted from before. I figured it out. Don't worry about me. Okay. Well, anyway, it was George Kittle, Mark Andrews, Tolton Schultz.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Kittle had 15 catches for 183 yards in a touchdown. I got to be honest, aside from some gronk games, that might be one of the craziest tight-end lines I've ever seen. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He caught all of his 15 targets, too. is that right? Yeah, 15 out of 15.
Starting point is 00:12:34 It reminded me of kicking and screaming when it was just passed to the Italians. That was pretty much what they were doing with George Kittle and nobody could stop it. That last play they had, the Eagles had, or not the Eagles, the Niners had when they were doing the Hail Mary.
Starting point is 00:12:45 I kind of was like, forget the Hail Mary. I kind of wanted them to just get the ball to Kittle with a head of steam like 10 yards down field, like just do the quick pass. And just, you know what, see if George Kittle can just break four tackles
Starting point is 00:12:56 into the end zone? I kind of wanted to see it. Seriously. When they think, threw that ball into the end zone, it bounced up. Like, it was an optical illusion. Like, the way that the screen, like the way the camera was situated, it looked like the ball was just going to float right into his lap at the very last second.
Starting point is 00:13:12 And I was like, oh! And then it like landed out of bounds like 10 feet. I was like, what the hell? Yeah, that was like a trick of the light. Oh my God. I think everyone, like 10 million people thought he was going to catch that ball. Heart attack right there. But anyways, let's get on to the winners of the week.
Starting point is 00:13:27 My winners, I'm going with two of these. The rookie and the geriatric. quarterback. Wait, you know that was an alternate name for this podcast? Yeah, it was. I guess I'm the geriatric then. Is that what you're talking about? You said it, not me.
Starting point is 00:13:41 That's true. So I'm going with Justin Herbert and Tom Brady, who are separated by 21 years. So Tom Brady could be Herbert's dad easily. It's just weird to think about it. Have you looked at the pictures of them side by side? I have some theories about his time at Michigan. Is he his father?
Starting point is 00:13:58 Yeah. It is, I'm just saying. It's possible. Google it. So I'll start off Brady just because he was, Brady was, I'll start with, you know, age before beauty or whatever. Herbert's a strapping young lad. But 32.4 points for Tom Brady, five touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:14:17 And he ended up 30 or 469 yards, five touchdowns and a pick. And honestly, the fact that he came back from that really ugly pick six early on in the game is a good testament. to just kind of like why he's so great. And he's short, short memory, just full confidence in himself, came back. That's the difference between him and James Winston, I think. It's like, you know, both of them have short memories, but at least Brady can like execute, you know, and kind of figure things out. Did you see what Bruce Ariens said after the game? No.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Bruce Aaron said, I can honestly, this is quote, I can honestly say, had this been last year, we would have gotten our ass beat by 20. ass beat. I love that. Yeah. So it's true. So he, so Brady, let's just unpack Brady's numbers,
Starting point is 00:15:08 32 points. He attacked pretty much all levels of the field. He was going deep. Actually, he was really, really good on deep balls. 4-7 for 149 yards and a touchdown on deep passes.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Well, he had the pick six where it was, because the pick six on, when you throw a pick on a weak ball on an outbreak route to the sideline, especially if it's opposite hash, that's like the hallmark of, wow,
Starting point is 00:15:28 you don't have an arm anymore or you usually didn't get anything on the throw. And Brady had barely any pick sixes until five years ago. And then he had what? This was his fourth in his last six games or something. It was really concerning. And technically entering this game, he was on a higher or after that pick six, he was on more pace to break the pick six record, James set last year. So everyone's like talking about his arm strength and everything.
Starting point is 00:15:52 And then he throws that deep touchdown. That was like the best throw I've seen him throw in quite a while, that deep pass. I think he's still getting on the same page. I'm not making excuses for him because, I mean, he just has to make better decisions. But, like, I do think he's still getting on, like, the same page with the receiver. It felt to me on that Scotty Miller pick,
Starting point is 00:16:09 that Miller kind of rounded his route off a little bit too deep. I think Brady expected him to be somewhere else. So maybe they just should stop throwing those outs because, like, other teams are camping on those throws and basically, like, jump. Yeah, is it really worth it? Do you need that route? Yeah, I don't know. So just to kind of put some,
Starting point is 00:16:28 perspective on Brady's year so far. He has the going into Monday night football so there's still four teams going to play but through four weeks Tom Brady has the most deep passing yards in the NFL 428. Are you serious? That's crazy. Yeah, that's
Starting point is 00:16:44 per PFF right now so obviously you know. More than Josh Allen and Russ and Dak? Yeah, so those are on passes. Is this like my Donald Parham thing? Are you sure? All of our stats are just wrong. That's what the show brings you. I'm looking at I'm looking at PFF right now.
Starting point is 00:16:59 PFF tweet, most deep passing yards entering week four Monday night football. So prior to Monday night football. Holy cow. Not shabby for the old guy. And then let's talk about Herbert because Herbert,
Starting point is 00:17:10 man, he has looked really, really impressive. Obviously they're not winning. But from a fantasy point of view, it's really exciting for us. 23 points. He has,
Starting point is 00:17:18 to me, but nothing short of a revelation. Like, I just did not expect him to be this good this early. No, he's been really good. In the old days,
Starting point is 00:17:26 it would take quarterbacks like three years to do what he's doing. And he's pushing the ball down field. He's really aggressive. He's distributing the ball to a whole bunch of different guys. Like three of his touchdowns were to guys that were undrafted. You know, he's doing it with, obviously he's focusing in on Keen and out, which is really smart.
Starting point is 00:17:43 He fed him with 12 more targets today or on Sunday. But I mean, he's spreading the ball around. He's been really, really exciting. 20 to 25, 290 yards, three touchdowns, one pick. He had a 14 rushing yards. 23 points in fantasy. But to me, the biggest thing is. is how he's unlocked Keenan Allen.
Starting point is 00:17:58 Like, Kenan Allen is, would you guys say he's a wide receiver one going forward? Yeah, as long as Herbert's starting. Yeah, the way he's been getting fed the ball. I think so, especially with the injuries. I think you're dead right about what you're saying about. He is doing things that usually it would take three years. If Drew Breeze was doing this,
Starting point is 00:18:17 everyone would be saying, oh, wow, look at Drew Breeze. He can always take any undrafted receiver and, like, be good with them immediately, and he clicks. And I'm just like, Justin Herbert's coming out and throwing to guys. I've never heard of. And it looks perfect. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:18:30 I think I'm the first person to ever compare Justin Herbert and Drew Breeze because they have like a six inch height difference. Stylistically, they're different, yes. Well, you know what else is impressive
Starting point is 00:18:39 that's very Drew Bree-esque of Justin Herbert is he's got a great completion percentage for a rookie. His first game, 66%, second game 71% and last week against the bucks,
Starting point is 00:18:48 80% completion rate. And also let us not forget that his NFL career started with, hey, the quarterback in front of you got staff. You have to go play against the Super Bowl champions right now. Like five minutes before the game.
Starting point is 00:19:00 Not even five. It was the coin toss. 30 seconds. Anyway, Herbert's been amazing. And I just like the, I mean, and he runs enough that even when he doesn't have a passing game eventually, that isn't,
Starting point is 00:19:10 that's great. The rushing is enough. I'm going to reach out to that doctor, see if Herbert gets stabbed and I can get some playing time. Perfect. All right. Well, wait, I,
Starting point is 00:19:19 hold on. I got one question. I want to ask you guys. I got one question. Yeah. Right now is Herbert better than Joe Burrow? Yes. I mean, he's got way better supporting cast, though, so it's a bias.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Let's try and separate that because he does have a better team. But who's been better? I just want to be clear, though, about how much better the team is, which I think is a lot. I don't think his offense. I mean, maybe his line's better, but I don't think his offensive weapons are that much better. I think that Burrow is better. I think you're right that his support system is better. Herbert's support system is better right now.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Mostly just because I think, like, Burroughs offensive line has just been terrible. He's getting thrown around. He's getting hit. He's getting lit up every game. So that's a factor. But I mean, to me, Burroughs been exactly kind of as I imagined he would be as advertised. He's taking control of that offense. Everything you hear out of Cincinnati is he's like in complete control of the game, you know, seeing things that need to see reading the defense, making some big plays.
Starting point is 00:20:13 In fact, I saw this stat. He is the first rookie in NFL history, Burrow is with at least 300 passing yards in three consecutive games. Yeah, but I'm, all right, I'm getting sick of a little bit of the passing yards thing. because, and only this, it's now the inverse of the rushing yards thing. It used to be that if, you know, everyone would say, oh, well, the Cowboys are 22 and O
Starting point is 00:20:34 when Ziciel Elliott gets the ball 20 carries or he rushes for 100 yards. And it was, okay, well, that's because they're winning, so they're running. Now we're at the opposite. Joe Burrow is throwing for 300 yards because the Bengals defense sucks
Starting point is 00:20:46 and he's second in pass attempts behind Dak and they're losing. Dak is doing this yardish thing. It's not like, I mean, don't get me wrong, deck has been great. but the yardage records being broken because they're losing all the time. And so with the borough numbers, he's playing well, and I don't think it's because of the yardage.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Is that makes sense? Like, he's going for 300 yards, but that's not the impressive part to me. I think that's totally fair. And it's not even like the most impressive thing to me. I just thought it was interesting. But, sorry, I didn't mean to like, before. I didn't mean to be like to shoot down your idea. No, I mean, I think it's fair that you have to kind of, it's like you're adjusting for era.
Starting point is 00:21:23 like you're adjusting for the COVID era. No, it really is. Like a new era of football. We might be... I mean, if holding pounties get cut by 50% going forward, yeah, it's like, that's a new era of football. I think Herbert's just a little more exciting than Burrow right now, to be quite honest.
Starting point is 00:21:38 He's just more fun to watch. Burrough has not hit. The Bengals are the least exciting franchise in football and have been for quite some time. And Burroughs seems to check down a little bit more. I mean, he's second in attempts. He's seventh in yards. And Herbert takes deeper shots.
Starting point is 00:21:52 it seems like it's just a little bit more of an exciting offense. Yeah, I was actually going to say that because I want to look, I'm going to look it up right now as we're talking, but I'm pretty sure that Burrough has only hit like one deep shot, one pass over 20 years. So the Bengals got their first win this week. So who was more impressive to you guys in that win? Was it Burrow or Mixing?
Starting point is 00:22:11 Because Mixing was the number one running back, mixing at three touchdowns. Who was more impressive of you in the game? Well, Mixin. I don't know. The reason why I shouldn't say I'm impressed with Mixing is because I think he's always this good. And I just think the Bengals suck. And he had room to move today. And the Jaguars really suck in the red zone against running backs. And Mixing played how he should always play. So I think
Starting point is 00:22:30 I was just, I was impressed with Burrow. He got a win. I don't know. Craig, do you have another winner of the week? Or do you have a winner of the week? Yeah. My winner of the week is Antonio Gibson. This week. So Antonio Gibson through, I mean, we really got a shout out D.K. here because he called this in the preseason. Talked about Antonio Gibson. Hi, if it's, you know, made fun of him because He had like three touches in college. I thought you were delusional. Turns out. Yeah, and we always just heard that, you know, Washington really likes him, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:23:00 And the first week, he started slow, right? He had five points. Well, the next week he had 11, week after that, 11, and last week, week, and last week, and people were off of them this week because they were playing the Ravens. And they thought, oh, this is going to be the J.D. McKissick week because they're going to be losing. He's not going to get a lot of touches. Well, he had the most touches he got this week. He had 13 rushes and five targets. That's the most opportunities he's got.
Starting point is 00:23:18 He had 80 yards receiving. He looks really good. He's clearly the most talented player, not named Terry McLaurin on Washington. And I think he's only going to get better. They're playing the Rams, the Giants, and the Cowboys the next three weeks. I think Antonio Gibson is going to keep rising. And by the end of the year, he'll probably just be like a top 15 running back. Yeah, D.K., I do a mayor culpable, because I got to be honest with you,
Starting point is 00:23:39 here is my thinking on Antonio Gibson. I was thinking, this is a very talented young running back who will be good in future years. His running backs coach has called him Clay to be molded. And that DK's on him, and I'm like, he's going. got 33 carries in college. And I'm like, all right, DK's been watching tape of this guy since last year and just been grinding. And it's just like, okay, he's in draft mode. You know, you're just grinding tape. And then the second you come out of the draft, there's a global pandemic. So you haven't left your house in like eight months. You have a small child.
Starting point is 00:24:09 You're sleep deprived. You have a mustache now. And I'm thinking, all right, you know what? He's been thinking a little too much about Antonio Gibson. This isn't going to happen immediately. there's no way that this guy with 33 carries will happen immediately. And then he did. So good job. Like honestly, the rookie thing, I think is very interesting, the idea that rookies can come in and immediately contribute. That's been, that's escalated. Like, that jumped up a notch.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Think about what the rookie receivers are doing this year. And again, we talked about this. It's getting faster. We've talked about this. There's a little bit of the COVID, you know, adjustment for era thing happening because this is like the most past happy. offense happy start to a season ever. But like what these receivers are doing this year, Justin Jefferson, C.D. Lamb, Jerry Judy,
Starting point is 00:24:58 you know, all these guys are ready. It's like Leviska Chanel. They're already establishing themselves as legitimate playmakers in these offenses. And it's been like a few weeks. They didn't even have a preseason. They didn't even have barely a training camp. So. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:13 I'm abandoning the hill of rookies can't contribute anymore. My point, yeah, like the overarching. point is just don't underestimate what teams can do with these rookies. These guys have been, the game is changing. The game done changed, Danny. No, you're very right about that. These guys have come up
Starting point is 00:25:30 in a different world in terms of like there's way more seven on seven. The game itself, the sport itself is changing. Teams are spreading out. These guys have gotten way more reps since they were young in terms of like running routes and doing all these things. The offenses
Starting point is 00:25:46 are changing a little bit. So all these factors, these variables going together, you know, gives these guys a much better chance of coming in early and doing what they can do. So you threw this to me like two years ago we were talking about this. I think it was, or no, last year it was with Debo Samuel, but we've been talking this for a couple years. And Kyle Shannon had a quote about Debo Samuel basically saying, yeah, route running. Yeah, they don't really do it in college. But like you can adjust. You can just make, you can just give them similar concepts. And I think teams are just making it easier for these guys to adjust. Yeah, I mean, we saw, okay, so we saw that last night on Sunday night with Iuk.
Starting point is 00:26:22 He looked so good. Get him the ball. Get him the ball, man. Let him create. We saw it with Debo last year. We've seen it with DK Metcalf and the Seahawks. I mean, like last year when they started him out, it was exactly what he did in college. He was running go routes and slants on the left side for like the first half of the season. That was all he did. And then they slowly started working him into the offense where he's running more thing. Now this year he's running everywhere. He had a chance to kind of like, you know, catch up and learn everything.
Starting point is 00:26:49 And, you know, I think teams are getting a little more savvy, too, about melding their offenses to their best players, you know, like... Why force them to do hard stuff that they've never done before when we can just give them the easy concepts that you just literally make their jobs easier instead of forcing them to be a quote-unquote pro quarterback? Not to get too deep into it, but like a lot of the reason, like receivers always take so long to come into the NFL is, number one, you've got to learn the full route tree. most these guys don't learn the full complete route tree in college unless they're playing for a pro-style team, which are now few and far between in college. Number two, like the timing and anticipation, option routes, side adjustments, there's a lot of technical things that receivers have to do in certain offenses. I think teams are realizing like these guys can really do a lot of good stuff if we just get them in there and let them do what they know how to do. That's like what the Seahawks do with Metcalf. It's what the 49ers do with Debo.
Starting point is 00:27:40 You know, and so anyways, long story short. I'm done doubting what rookies can do early on. Okay. All right. Well, you've won that. That took two years. You win. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Speaking of letting people do what they're good at, Odell Beckham is my winner of the week because, holy crap. He had three touchdowns. Went off. That is how many touchdowns the Giants have all season. Total. Three.
Starting point is 00:28:03 O'Dell Beckham had 70, I think it was 73 rushing yards and two carries. There was not a Giants running back who has more rushing yards than that. Right now, Wayne Goldman leads the Giants to rushing yards on that. on the season. Wayne Gullman leads them with 52 yards. Odell had 50 yards on that one carry where he went backward and then scored the touchdown.
Starting point is 00:28:22 That was a 50 yard run. The Giants leading rush was 52 total. So my God, what a game for Odell. I mentioned the Brown scored 49 points. That's more than the Giants have all season. There's a lot of brown stuff going on. That's what I'm trying to get at.
Starting point is 00:28:35 The Browns are better than the Giants. But Odell Beckham, what an incredible, because also don't forget the catch he had that launched him into super fame happened against Dallas. So he owns Dallas. He has more touchdowns against Dallas than any other team.
Starting point is 00:28:47 He wrecked them. He won the game. It was such a cool game for him. He also has literally run faster than he has at the last two years. We mentioned how last year he was injured and he had the hernia surgery or he should have had the hernia surgery in August. He didn't. He's literally running faster than he was last year, at least as a ball carrier. I think that's a little skewed because it's only four games.
Starting point is 00:29:05 But I also want to shout out you, D.K., because you said that O'Dell would have a huge game against Dallas and then he'd be a cell high candidate. This was the sell high of all sell high games because he did, he wrecked the Cowboys on national television in about as high profile of a way possible because he literally just had the most highlightable play of the whole week with that touchdown run. So everyone saw he had a big week. It's like Odell's back. Are you still, do you still think that Odell is a cell high? I do. And here's the reason I actually think that he is, this is the perfect sell high situation because look, whenever you're trading, you're getting something back.
Starting point is 00:29:41 and now you can get something like pretty legit back for Odell I think Beckham has number one he has name power people are still buying into this idea that he's going to come back and be this guy that scores like 16 touchdowns or whatever you know and so he's got that name power, the history
Starting point is 00:29:58 all that stuff you're going to get a good player back and the reason I would pull the trigger on a trade and why I think the sell high window is open and it's ideally open like the next few days is what he did is not like to be very sustainable. I still think you're going to be getting a lot of like, I think you will get some good spike weeks from Beckham like we saw this week. But I think the lows are going to be lower than you are probably want to be comfortable with as like your wide receiver one. If you can go out and get a guy like, I don't even know. Julio Jones. Yeah, Julio or like go out and get a guy who's coming back, AJ Brown might be back next week. Get a guy like AJ Brown or something like that. Although he's got his own question marks. But just the fact that, look, he scored three touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:30:43 One of his touchdowns came on a double throw from Jarvis Landry. One of his touchdowns was like Danny said, a 70-something end-around, which is not going to happen every game. And then the Browns scored 49 points, and they got 165 passing yards out of Baker. Yes, it was the fact that they had, I mean, the 307 rushing yards was the worst in Cowboys history.
Starting point is 00:31:06 I think it was the most any teams had in two years. Baker didn't play that well on this game. game. No, man. The Browns like kind of still suck and they put up 49. The reason that this is, you should trade him while his stock is high is exactly what D.K said last week, which is that the Brown's structurally passing offense is not really geared for high ceiling games or high ceiling performances. Consistently. It doesn't want Baker to do too much and therefore Odell is limited. And this is the perfect opportunity. Be like, wow, Jarvis threw him a touchdown. End around, as you said. So also wait, pop quiz. Do you guys know,
Starting point is 00:31:41 Jarvis Landry passed to O'Dell. Pop quiz, what do you think the name of that play is? Something to do with LSU. Oh, no, it's bananas. I like that. He yelled bananas. That was the name of the play. Anyway, I just like that.
Starting point is 00:31:55 I love that throw by Jarvis, by the way. He took the biggest crowhop. What an amazing talk. The biggest crow hop I've ever seen in an NFL game. It was amazing. It was on the money. It's better than Baker made all day. How many throws have you seen Baker make this season that were better than that Jarvis
Starting point is 00:32:08 Henry passed? Zero. No, it's a serious question. I don't know. That's, this is like for fun. This is fun. Like I said, dude, he took a, he took like a bounding, like seven foot crow hop before throwing ball.
Starting point is 00:32:21 It was like an outfielder trying to throw someone at home. If Baker has the time to like take a freaking crow hop and like he's throwing to third base from right field, like, fine, five, five. I guess I was just amazed of like, you forget how these guys are such good athletes and then a wide receiver just throws a perfect spiral, 45 yards downfield for a touchdown. And you like that. And then also Kevin Stefansky, the head coach for the Brown, said that O'Dell can do that too, but with both hands.
Starting point is 00:32:46 He can do it left or right. Okay. Also, did you guys see O'Dell's celebration in the end zone was extremely impressive? Oh, the soccer one? Yeah, that was this. He immediately spun the ball, flipped it up with his back feet. It landed in front of him, and then he kicked it like 30 yards in front of them beautifully. Well, weren't there a bunch of important soccer games on Sunday?
Starting point is 00:33:04 I do not follow soccer. So weren't there big games on Sunday? You know how people talk about playoff Rondo? Yeah. I think there's, I think it's primetime O'Dell. I think O'Dell thrives when he knows he's playing big teams and he's on national television. And I kind of think he just doesn't give a shit as much when it's like a random Jags game. I really believe that. I'd have to check the numbers. But it's like I think he really feeds off like scoring when he knows everyone's watching and he can go into the camera. That's not play of Rondo. That's like how all the NBA players want to drop 50 points at Madison Square Garden. Exactly. I think O'Dell is like addicted to the limelight. That's the Empire State of Mind lyric, man. Addicted to the limelight.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I would say the rest of the song, but I haven't listened to that song in like five years. So, I don't remember the other words. But classic. Bottom line on O'Dowell, if you're going to trade it, make sure you get somebody good, because obviously he's still really good. I wanted to mention one thing on the trade, though. Do not, if you're trading O'Dell, do not do this. Do you not say, hey, do you want to Adele Beckham? Don't do that.
Starting point is 00:34:04 ask for the best player on their team and then they'll say no and then let them ask okay well I want O'Dell and let work down to the player you want but make them ask for O'Dell and also remember to think it's a rookie mistake to text your group chat
Starting point is 00:34:20 anybody want O'Dell because then that's just the worst way to do it you got to be like hey I'm looking for a this and they're like all right I want O'Dell and you're like okay I've got three people asking me about him already and the person who dropped like a gif of that play into your group chat and was like, oh my God, text that person, the person who likes O'Dell.
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Starting point is 00:36:40 Is that fair, Craig? Yeah, we all saw Mean Girls. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so last week we inducted Adam Gase and Daniel Jones. Yeah, they stuck with it. DJ, you suck. Adam Gase is trash. He's struggling, man.
Starting point is 00:36:53 Herbert is what we thought Daniel Jones was going to be. Yeah. Well, I'm more worried that Daniel Jones is what I thought Josh Allen was going to be. But the real, we have not mentioned this, but Adam Gase keeping his injured players in on Thursday night
Starting point is 00:37:07 football to save his job is all time tough. I mean, read Roger Sherman on the ringer wrote about Adam Gays. Very good article. Also, Adam Gase trying to injure the other players on the field. Just the layers of badness there are awful. Anyway, Adam Gase. We need like a
Starting point is 00:37:23 book for Adam Gase. I don't know what it is. No, it's the Adam Gase Ring or Burn book. Okay, anyway, we're adding in new people this week. I'm adding in Jack Doyle, tied in for the Colts because I loved Jack Doyle coming into the season because I felt that Frank Reich and the Colts offense and Philip Rivers, everything about this was Chargers 2020. It was like the 2013 to 15 Chargers were going to be in Indianapolis.
Starting point is 00:37:47 I think that a lot of that has been true, a lot of tight-in target share, a lot of threat. except it wasn't Jack Doyle, it was Moe Alley Cox. And wouldn't you know, through one month, Moe Alley Cox is the 12th best fantasy tight end. And Hunter Henry is 13th. So he is better than the Chargers tight end. And I did say, if you want Hunter Henry, go get Jack Doyle. I was wrong about that. Jack Doyle, you're in the Byrne book.
Starting point is 00:38:12 Go get Moe Alley Cox. One piece of analysis that you failed to consider during this whole thing is that Moa Mali Cox is maybe the largest human being in the NFL. What about Mackay Beckton? He's different. Well, yeah, okay, look, it's tongue-in-cheek. But, like, Malawi Cox is built different, man. That guy is, like, LeBron out there.
Starting point is 00:38:34 He's just thick. He can, he, like, bodies people. He just runs through people. I love this guy. I kind of had, like, my, he's been in my radar for a couple years now. They've talked him up, like, the last two pre-season. He just hasn't really pandas. out. He's got guys in front of him. I love
Starting point is 00:38:50 that he's taking advantage of his opportunity. He's looking good at there. He had another touchdown on Sunday. I think he was only targeted like twice. So he's obviously going to have some ups and downs. And he's not going to get into end zone every week. Every athletic tie down in the NFL, every single one since Jim Graham has played basketball in college because it's a prerequisite. It's like you can't do the position unless you play basketball.
Starting point is 00:39:10 Moe Alley Cox was actually good at basketball in college. So he needed to learn the position because VCU doesn't have a football team. and now he's learned anyway. Jack Doyle R. A.P., Moe Allie Cox, you're my guy. Craig, are you burning anyone this week? I'm putting AJ Green into the burn book.
Starting point is 00:39:26 I'm done. Oh, yeah. I just done. He said that you were in last week. He burned you last week. He burned you. Yeah, and like, I've even had people like, oh, I have A.G. Green on my team,
Starting point is 00:39:35 what should I do? And I'm like, stick around. You know, he's still really, I'm done. He had one catch with fucking three yards last week. You know, here's a stat. Passes to A.J. Green this season have produced the league's worst passer rating. I'm good. I'm done.
Starting point is 00:39:49 Wait, is that really? Yeah. Wow, that's, that's terrible. You know, rookies, if it's true that rookies really, you know, they develop these chemistries and then they don't break them. He's clearly got one going with Tyler Boyd and not AJ Green. So I'm good. You're in the book. You're burned. Have you ever, like, actually been burned? I mean, like, like a pan or something.
Starting point is 00:40:10 I got burned once. I got, like, an iron hit me in the back of the arm once. My ex-girlfriend was iron and, like, hit me that by... accident with the back of the arm. That's what happened to you with AJ Green. Second degree. Yeah. Yeah. I got ironed by AJ Green.
Starting point is 00:40:26 That's what I'm trying to say. Okay. AJ Green, you're in the Bourne book. I can't say that. Burn book. Jack Joel, you're in the burn book. Second degree. Waiver wire ads?
Starting point is 00:40:36 Let's do it. Okay. So this week, the buys have started, even though buys kind of started last week with all the chaos of Chiefs Patriots, Titan Steelers. But the actual buys this week,
Starting point is 00:40:47 Packers and the Lions. And then the maybe buys are Buffalo and Tennessee because we have no idea if the Titans are going to play this week. And they're playing the bills. I would certainly prepare as if the bills will be on a buyer and then be happy if they're playing. But then you also have to consider the injuries. O.J.
Starting point is 00:41:03 Howard, we mentioned as an Achilles tear probably after the year, but he's probably not playing for you, hopefully. Nick Chubb is out with an MCL injury. He's expected to miss six weeks. And then Austin Echler also is a hamstring injury or like a knee injury. he is expected to be sidelined for anywhere between four and six weeks might be worse, not sure.
Starting point is 00:41:23 So that's pretty lengthy absences for offenses that do quite a bit with the running backs. And then also Josh Allen who injured his non-throwing arm, non-throwing shoulder in that game, he came back. Craig, you said you noticed he played different when he came back? I don't know if he played different. The bills played differently. After that injury, which was kind of a messed up play by the Raiders, by the way. I don't know who it was tackling him, but the guy,
Starting point is 00:41:45 Josh Allen was already going on the ground and this guy kind of headhunted him and ended up kind of hitting his shoulder awkwardly into the ground. But after that, they didn't, like, they didn't design any runs for him. He wasn't throwing deep as much. It was like way more checked down. And he came back with like a compression shirt, like an AC joint shirt thing on his shoulder. But I mean, I'm sure he'll be fine. But I guess it's just something to keep an eye on. The other guy that I forgot, we forgot to mention, and he's probably irrelevant anyway for season long redraft. But Sam Darnold. I forgot about him. I forgot about him. Yeah. Just keep in mind. So I don't think you have to, I wouldn't, I wouldn't plan on streaming anybody.
Starting point is 00:42:23 Probably only matters with James and Crowder. That is a factor. Yeah. Yeah. This is a pretty important week for waivers. Obviously, week two is chaos. But this one's pretty important as well. So I think there's three main guys here.
Starting point is 00:42:36 There's basically the Chargers backups for Austin Eccler, Josh Kelly and Justin Jackson. Yeah, Josh Kelly. I mean, he's probably owned. We can probably get rid of him. There's the Browns, which is De Ernest, there's Cream Han who obviously is on someone's team in your league. Then there's De Ernest Johnson behind him,
Starting point is 00:42:51 who actually had 13 carries for 95 yards and a touchdown. More carries more yards than Hunt had in that game. Which of those two situations is more appealing to you, too? I'm really curious about this. I have Aaron Jones in both of my big fantasy league. He's on Bye next week. And Justin Jackson and DeErnes Johnson are available, as well as a couple other guys.
Starting point is 00:43:13 but I want to know how you guys think I should make this move. Here's how I would rank it. I would put, if Josh Kelly is available in one of your leagues, which is unlikely, then he would be number one. So assuming he's not, I would put Dearnis Johnson at the top of the list, honestly. Number one, he looked really good. Number two, the Browns are very, as we saw, they're very dedicated to running the ball.
Starting point is 00:43:35 That's their whole identity. They didn't show any sort of fear and throwing Dearnis Johnson out there. honestly when I was watching him run he has I'm not this he has a similar looking running gate to Camara I'm not saying he looks like Camara but just out there if you watch him like he runs like he's running through like a short
Starting point is 00:43:56 you know how Camara kind of runs like stooped down like he's like he's hunged it's like a balance like his shoulders are hunched that Durness Johnson has that same like I'm running I'm running through a tunnel that's a little bit too I'm running into a hobbit hole or something oh like in men in black when those like they go into the room for the aliens that are like three feet tall and they have to hunch over.
Starting point is 00:44:15 You know what I'm talking about? I don't remember it. No, you've seen that movie since the 90s or thing. No? Okay. Just me. Never mind. All right.
Starting point is 00:44:24 None of us have seen the movies Hyvitz's scene, I guess. You never seen men in black? No, I have seen men in black. I have seen it. So anyways, yeah, I would say Deer Ernest Johnson is my number one way of priority this week. I would throw Justin Jackson onto that list because the Chargers loved her on the ball. They're same kind of deal. Justin Jackson has filled in in the past and looked really good.
Starting point is 00:44:45 And if Joshua Kelly gets in the doghouse for this team, he fumbled again on Sunday, you know, if he manages to get into the doghouse, Justin Jackson could get a lot of carries while Eckler is out. So those two are on the top of my list. I'd say Johnson, Jackson, and then a couple of stashes worth looking at this week, Chase Edmonds or the Cardinals, he's getting their passing game work, which is, you know, pretty valuable. for a team like them. Kenyon Drake is not involved in the passing game whatsoever. He had zero targets.
Starting point is 00:45:16 The concerning thing about Kenyon Drake, and I was, I know that I was saying he'd get better. And the concerning thing is he just had two great matchups. The lions were a great matchup. The Panthers were a great matchup. He did nothing. And those teams are bleeding points to running backs. And Kenyon Drake didn't do anything. Chase Edmonds also just looks better.
Starting point is 00:45:33 Super concerning. Don't know what the Cardinals paid $14 million to Kenyon Drake for. Well, this is maybe why they didn't give him a long-term deal. Perhaps they're not. So, yeah. Chase Edmonds is a huge stash for me, even though he's not going to be consistent week to week until there's a real big playing time change.
Starting point is 00:45:49 So I agree that he's more of the stash here, or at least someone that if you miss out on these other two guys. But question for him about the charges, who's the better pass catcher, Josh Kelly or Justin Jackson? That's a tough question because Kelly's been pretty adequate sounds like it's a negative, but like he's been fine as a pass catcher. He's shown he can do it.
Starting point is 00:46:05 He had a couple big gains on like swing passes and screens and stuff. So I wouldn't say that. either guy has like a strong, you know, advantage in that. Kelly's been shown that he's like fine in the passing game. So I really couldn't say like one guy is definitely going to get the passing game work. Jackson is smaller if that makes a difference. Like Kelly, Kelly's 220 pounds. Jackson's like 195. So I wouldn't guess that Jackson's going to get like the most early down between the tackles work.
Starting point is 00:46:36 So he might default to like third down work. So you think it's, you think it's to Ernest Johnson? should be the number one ad for running backs? I do. Yeah. I mean, Josh Kelly first, but he's... Cream hunts like... Rostored, sorry.
Starting point is 00:46:49 While Chubb is out, Kreme Hunt's like a top five, top six guy when you say? Easily. So he's going to get the vast majority of work. Neither of these guys are like league winners, but you can get... I think you can get solid play out of Dernus Johnson
Starting point is 00:47:01 because the rounds are going to run the ball so much. All right. One other guy I wanted to mention it running back for a stash. If you have a guy in your team that you can drop it, you don't want anymore, maybe you've been holding on to Henry Ruggs or something. and you're done. Duke Johnson's back now. He's healthy and he played 40% of the snaps this week for the Texans and he took a chunk out of David Johnson's receiving work. This is purely
Starting point is 00:47:23 just like an injury stash. If David Johnson tweaks an ankle, I think Duke Johnson could be a pretty decent flex play for you, especially as the Texan schedule gets a little bit easier. Okay, looking at receiver. Who are some receivers that you guys would want? Obviously, lions and Packers are by. That's Devante Adams. That's Kenny Gulladay. And then whatever happens with Bill's Titans, you need to be prepared. That's Defon Diggs. That's A.J. Brown again. Hopefully you already have a solution for A.J. Brown. But what are some other receivers you guys? I'll throw out a few names. And I think all three of these guys this week in particular are streamable. Like, you could put him in a flex spot, wide receiver three flex spot. T. Higgins are the Bengals.
Starting point is 00:48:02 He's a rookie. He's gotten two straight weeks where he's been very involved in really three weeks where he's been like a big part of the offense. He has 22 targets in the last three games going back to the beginning of the pot. I think bro is good. They're going to throw the ball a ton. Like they're playing from behind a lot this year. They're going to rely on bro to carry that offense a lot. And I don't know, AJ Green is just kind of dust at this point. And he's not really a part of the offense. So I think T. Higgins is the de facto number two behind Tyler Boyd in that pastime. He's just called AJ Green dust. He's dusted. Although I guess it's the lowest passer rating in NFL thrown in him.
Starting point is 00:48:37 I guess that's not dust. What's dust? I pick green in one league and I was really hoping for like a big kind of comeback, but it does not look promising at all. Like he just hasn't been, he hasn't been what we thought. My second guy, Leviska Chanel of the Jaguars,
Starting point is 00:48:54 who has, again, he's good. A rookie who's worked his way into the offense early on. They're using him in a variety of ways. He had five catches for 86 yards this last week, in addition to one rush for five yards. they're using him in like as like a de facto running back at times and then also as a wildcat quarterback type runner at times too so is he kind of like how the nine is use debo samuel i mean sure
Starting point is 00:49:18 yeah he's he's not like the same he's a very different size and stylistically he's different because i think he's actually more he's lanky it's not a it's not a knock on debo but to me he's a a little bit more refined as like he because he can go deep too like he's a good deep receiver um the things he did at color He was an all-around, like, weapon. He's not, and people, you know, and I think I even maybe have used this one or two, one or two times before, but, like, the immediate thing that people think of is, like, Cordarell Patterson, but he's more, he's way more refined.
Starting point is 00:49:48 He's a better route runner. You know, he can get to all three levels, whereas Cordarell is kind of just like a gadget guy. So, um, I think Chanel, his arrow is definitely pointing up. They're going to get him more involved in the offense. He's, Chris Conley has just been bad. He is going to have to kind of, like, fight with Keel and Cole for targets, but, yeah, But Conley, I think, is in the last year of his contract. Like, the Jaguars have no incentive to not get Chennai playing time right now.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Because Connolly's not good and he's expiring and they're building. He's been bad. My third guy, and I think this is the order that I probably put them in because I think Higgins and Chanel have good rest of season value. And then third is Scotty Miller, the Buccaneers, who again is showing up in that offense. Five catches, 83 yards and a touchdown last week. I think his role is going to be reduced. probably pretty significantly when Chris Godwin gets back.
Starting point is 00:50:39 But his timeline is a little bit uncertain at this point. He's coming off of a concussion two weeks ago and then a hamstring this week. So he's been really banged up. And in the meantime, I think Miller is a good flex option for you. I don't know if he's necessarily going to be an every week startable type of guy. But if Godwin's out for sure he is. Scotty Miller's getting really close to the burn book for me, even though he's playing well.
Starting point is 00:51:04 because I feel like what happened with nobody started him week one and then he had a great week and then everybody was like, cool, Scotty Miller's a thing. They started him week two, he sucked. That might have been my fault. Scotty doesn't know that Craig's putting him in his burn book
Starting point is 00:51:17 every Sunday. And then he's just like he's doing that classic fantasy thing where like whenever you start him, he sucks and when you bench him, he's good. So we'll see. Yeah. I get that. I get that.
Starting point is 00:51:27 The only other guys that I think are worth mentioning for waivers this week are, and this is just, I mean, we're scraper. Tim Patrick. who my brother texted me on Thursday saying who the fuck is Tim Patrick and but he's been around
Starting point is 00:51:39 Tim Patrick's he's been here a couple years the surprisingly good fourth receiver for Denver for two years he's impressed when he's gotten opportunities he's been hurt a lot though and like yeah but he's like kind of big he makes catches but anyway Corlin Sutton receiver on the Broncos is out
Starting point is 00:51:53 KJ Hamler the rookie has a hamstring injury Noah Fant doesn't I don't think he's gonna play next week with an ankle injury so you know he's something I don't know who's gonna be the quarterback for the Bronchers But like, if you're really desperate, I don't know what you got going on on your team. But Tim Patrick's something.
Starting point is 00:52:09 They're playing the Patriots. And then lastly, don't know what you got going on with your team. Lastly, Darnel Mooney, who's a receiver for the Bears, played more than Anthony Miller last week. He had nine targets, which is more than Anthony Miller last week. And Nick Fulles seems to throw to him a lot. So it's something to keep an eye on. Darno Mooney has been impressive. I mean, and there's, you're dealing with the Bears offense.
Starting point is 00:52:33 so it's going to be this is like the Nicole Hardman like in terms of he might have six targets in one game and look really good and then the next game
Starting point is 00:52:41 he's just invisible yeah the bears are tough man the bears are like having Alan Robinson on your fantasy team is like first team all heart attack because he has
Starting point is 00:52:48 15 yards until six minutes left in the fourth and then he puts up 100 exactly you're grading on a curve it's a 71 but you get to be minus
Starting point is 00:52:55 and you're like oh all right tight end as you mentioned Noah Fant probably out for a few weeks I mean, Dalton Schultz
Starting point is 00:53:05 if he's still around. Yeah, if you can get it. I mean, oh, yeah. Hell yeah. They're using that, they're using tight end in that offense a lot. Like,
Starting point is 00:53:11 I thought there would be a pretty significant drop off, you know, because like, Blake Jarwin had a lot of hype coming to this season, but basically there's, it's just like,
Starting point is 00:53:20 it's basically like the situation with the, with the Falcons is like, you just want the, you want the starting tight end in this offense. Yeah. Like,
Starting point is 00:53:26 it doesn't matter who he is. Exactly. And then the other one, because Dalton Shultz, if he's not, if he's not rostered in your league, he's probably going to be a high priority pick up. If you can't get him and you have Fantas Weeker, you just need to replace him. Or if you have Hawkinson on by.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Moe-A-Cox. I like Moe-A-Cox this week. They're playing Cleveland. I think they're top five in points allowed a tight end. They don't have great defenders in that part of the field. So I like Moa-Cox again. The largest human being in the NFL. And then also quarterbacks, because I think it's a big quarterback streaming week,
Starting point is 00:53:57 because if you have Josh Allen, Aaron Rogers, or Stafford, Herbert, we mentioned, but also Kirk Cousins. I mean, we started the show with play people against Dallas, Seattle, Falcons, Kirk Cousins, and the Vikings are playing Seattle. Sunday night. We just saw Justin Jefferson is going off. Dek, did you tell me earlier that Justin Jefferson is the most receiving yards for a rookie through four games ever, period?
Starting point is 00:54:22 Yeah, let me pull up, let me pull up the, this was from Arefasan. The only player, okay, sorry, it's the last 10 years. So the only player from the last 10 years to have more yards than Justin Jefferson over the first four games is Stefan Diggs Jefferson second Julio's third Amari Cooper fourth Calvin Benjamin Will Fuller
Starting point is 00:54:42 AJ Green Martavis Bryant C.D. Lamb. Cid Lamb and then Terry McLaren. Look at this list. What a mix of people on that list. That list is insane. So it's second not first but still That's such a roller coaster of like Julio Martavis Bryant, Will Fuller,
Starting point is 00:54:58 AJ Calvin. Okay. So the point is Justin Jefferson is probably a go for next week. And then Kirk cousin I just think is a really
Starting point is 00:55:05 good stream if you have to stream and also Teddy Bridgewater the Panthers are playing the Falcons. Falcons defense is like it's gross and Bridgewater
Starting point is 00:55:12 again third highest scoring quarterback this week so that's two really good streams if you need to replace Panthers offense is kind of plucky. I kind of like them.
Starting point is 00:55:20 Plucky? Plucky. That's a good it's an underused word. I like that. Ewing theory, McCaffrey. The Panthers are better.
Starting point is 00:55:28 I did say. see, I did see a tweet from someone I can't remember. Now they can spread the ball around and don't worry about getting them. What's, did, did Bill ever coin a term for the opposite of when the team trades the good player away and then immediately gets worse just as everyone predicted? That's the Bill O'Brien. Like, oh, they traded them away and they're, they're just haven't won a game since.
Starting point is 00:55:47 I guess that's the Bambino. That's the Babe Ruth, isn't it? Yeah, you're right. It is. Okay. All right. I think that's everything. So to be clear, we're prioritizing running backs.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Get Josh Kelly if he's there. He's probably not. If not, De Ernest Johnson on the Browns, Justin Jackson on the Chargers, Chase Edmonds on the Arizona, though he might have more of long-term value. And then if none of those guys are there, Duke Johnson on the Texans, because why not? Receiver, grab T. Higgins, Leviska-Chanal, Scotty Miller, Tim Patrick, Darnel Mooney, in that order. And then tight ends, Dalton Schultz, Moly Cox. And then grab Cousins, Bridgewater, Herbert, whoever floats your boat. All right.
Starting point is 00:56:22 Are your boats floated, guys? My boats float. How are you guys doing? How's your season going so far? Injuries hurting you a lot, like picking the wrong players. I've gotten lucky with most things. No, I decided this year, I just ended up with the second pick in a few places, and I had a lot of Sequin, which sucks. And then I also just ended up with a lot of Clyde Edwards-Salier, which made this week very stressful.
Starting point is 00:56:50 Obviously, I have no idea. We're recording some Monday. I don't know what happened to choose Patriots. But yeah, it's been weird because receiver was so deep coming into the season. And then it was Galdives out, Quirleton Sutton's out, you know, the Steelers aren't playing, AJ Brown's out.
Starting point is 00:57:03 It was kind of like a... And Devonte and Michael Thomas got hurt. Yes, Devante, yeah, Hulu Jones is the hamstring. So there were so many guys that were so safe out. And then so many of the other guys
Starting point is 00:57:14 hit from the first six rounds. Defon Diggs has been huge. Tyler Lockett was great for the first three weeks. So it literally was as hit or miss of a season as I can remember with my picks. Yeah. Anyway, that was...
Starting point is 00:57:27 No one cares. though. That's why this is on minute 62 of the pod. All right. We'll talk to you guys later. All right. Thanks for listening to the thing no one cared about. Thank you to Craig. Thank you to D.K. Thank you to everyone for listening. Jack Doyle, this was
Starting point is 00:57:41 really upsetting. I'm sorry. See you on Wednesday.

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