The Ringer NFL Show - Week 5 Awards

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

We recap the Week 5 slate by giving out awards, including Winner of the Week, The Panic Button, About Effin’ Time, Weird Flex but OK, The Player You Won’t Acknowledge Is Good, and more. Later we induct the next player into the 2021 Fantasy Burn Book and recap our day of prop bets. Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Let's help everybody. I'm JJ John G. And I'm Jason Gough, and if you haven't heard, the ringer has gone local. I'm bringing the fire. I'm bringing the rain from the Big Apple with my show, New York, New York. And I'm reping Shy Town with my new show The Full Go on All Things Chicago. We've got episodes three nights a week with all the reaction to the local teams and guests. Plus bonus episodes around all the big games and storylines.

So whether you're uptown, downtown, downtown, in the burbs, or a transplant. Make sure you follow New York, New York and the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I am here with Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck. And usually this is the part where I say week five is in the books. Guess what? It's not.

There's a whole rain and lightning delay. Sunday night football is not over. And we're like tired of waiting for that to end. So we're just going to do the pod right now because I'm tired. Well, we have no idea when this thing's going to be over. So let's just get into it. Waiting out the rain delay and doing a pod in the middle. Who cares?

Is it bad that I flash back to April 2020 when they're like two more weeks, two more weeks. And I was like, cool. It's like, oh, 50 more minutes, 15 minutes. I'm like, I see all this lightning in the background. Like, I feel like it's not going to be 15 more minutes. Is there a vaccine for lightning? Yeah, I don't know. But that I just, yeah, it's okay. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I don't know what's going to be done. We're just going to go through all the awards. So with all that said, let's just get to it. D.K., who's your biggest winner of the week, week five. All right. I want to start out with a guy named Jemar Chase from the Bengals who just keeps playing lights out. And it's kind of funny because, like, we had during

the draft season, this is one of the greatest receiver prospects of all time, like, legitimately. Like, he, like, broke out as, like, an 18, 19-year-old, elite athleticism, just, like, all-time baller comes into the league. He's, like, the fifth overall pick or whatever. It was it for the fifth. I think he was the fifth overall pick. And then we had, you know, just, like, this crisis of faith during the preseason when he starts dropping balls. And, like, people were talking about how he's not separating at training camp. And, you know, started to panic a lot. And, you know, started to panic a little bit like, oh God, maybe we did this again. Maybe the Bengals drafted another John Ross.

No, that's not happening. Another six catches 159 yards in a touchdown this week, 27.9 PPR points. He came into the week as a wide receiver 12. So he came into the week as a wide receiver one in PPR. Coming out, I'm sure he's going to jump up the ranks. He is now, and I saw this from, I believe, ESPN.

He's the third rookie all time, or sorry, going back to 1990, third rookie with five plus receiving touchdowns in his teams first five games. The other two guys, Calvin Ridley, Randy Moss, and then this is per Adam Harstead. Jamar Chase. Did that last one again? What is he with Calvin Ridley and Randy Mawson? Only the third rookie with five plus receiving touchdowns within the first five games of their career since 1990. So like in the modern era. So he joins, you know, Calvin Ridley obviously really a very good player, Randy Moss, one of the all-time greats. And then this one

21 years old. Yeah, he's like one of the more youngest players in the NFL. And then I saw this per Adam Harstead. Chase is second now behind only Randy Moss. So it's Randy Moss, number one. Jamar Chase, number two,

in PPR fantasy points by a rookie receiver through their first five games. I think what's so great about this and what's really telling is like, Joe Burrow is not, they are not Cowboys North. They are not firing on all cylinders. And like,

Biggins and Tyler Boyd are like borderline not startable in fantasy. Like, Jamar Chase is the number one. Burrow is looking to him in the biggest moments. So like it's working. Like it's him. Yeah. I mean, they did throw more this game, 38 attempts. There was an overtime period so that helped.

But yeah, what you're saying is basically they're running slow. They're basically trying to ease Burrow into the season, right? They're running a lot, very balanced. They're going very slow. They're just trying to basically take some pressure off of Burrow as his knee starts to like get to be closer to 100%, you know, blah, blah, blah. And Chase is still doing this. So if they do end up picking up the pace and or getting much more efficient down the line, man, like, Chase's upside is insane.

So I was having a, I was talking with my dynasty buddies. I was actually talking to Riley Mcaddy, editor at the ringer. And we're like, is Jamar Chase already the number one receiver in Dynasty? He like might be. It's like, to me, it's probably between Justin Jefferson and Chase. Yeah, and Dynasty Jamar Chase, if you have him is like a gift from like the fantasy gods. Redraft, I would trade him like this week. I really, sorry to pour rain in the parade.

Dinasties, I would trade him. I think you're probably right because, number one, he's not going to score one or two touchdowns every week. No, he's five for five on the deep shots. That's the thing. It might be more than that. I don't remember how many touchdowns he has this season, but like, just every deep shot he's gotten, basically,

has all been touchdowns. And the second that stops, it'll go down. And, like, he's not a top 10 receiver for 2021. I'm sorry. Like, he will not finish that way going forward. And, like, if you can flip him to someone as a true believer, I would very easily. Speaking of somebody who is, who will be a top 10 receiver when this year-old.

My winner is, it has to be. I know this is the two-tutis later, but it's got to be. Mike Williams, man. Yeah. Just take another lap. Take another victory lap. Do it. Eight catches, 165, two touchdowns.

He is the wide receiver one, depending on what Tyree killed us tonight. The wide receiver one. Unbelievable. He's going nuclear on the league. He essentially has done it. It's crazy. He took a game off. He took week four off and is the wide receiver one.

He went, this is how he scored in the season, 18, week one, 18, week two, 29, week three, one, week four, and then 32 today. It's crazy. It's unbelievable. He had 16 targets. Like, he is officially, I mean, I don't know how we want, how we think about Keenan Allen now, but like going forward the rest of the season, if you could pick one guy, I think it might be Mike Williams. Yeah, for the fifth week in a row, Craig, you were right. And I was wrong about Mike Williams. I feel like I am.

You were right. I was wrong. You're right. I'm dumb. You're smart. I'm not attractive. Mike Williams is fast. I'm slow.

But I will say, I also do, I do feel like Keenan Allen is the number two. How many times are we going to allow Craig to take victory laps though? Can we like put a time limit on it? Like, is he get half the year? No, it's every week Mike Williams puts up 30 points. Okay. Just checking. It's going to take the victory.

Listen, this is one of the biggest sleeper hits we've had on our show, if not the biggest. Yeah, every week. I'm happy. I'm proud of you. I will say, though, Keenan Allen feels like the number two receiver in this offense. Like, if you have Keenan Allen, you expected him like be crushing it with Herbert.

To have Herbert make the leap as like one of the elite NFL quarterbacks and a charge of receiver be the number one receiver in fantasy. And Keenan Allen be a very consistent, uh, fine option for you, but like not be that great at all. It's like pretty freaking disappointing. But I feel like that won't change really. Like he'll have spike weeks, but like the roles in this offense, I guess we're going to go with this is really Mike Williams is Michael Thomas light.

I mean, yeah, they tried to tell us it was going to happen and it actually happened, which is just kind of crazy. And Cooper Cup is fading a little bit. I think you mentioned it's great. He's going to be the wide receiver one after this week, I believe. It's Sunday night. But we'll see if they actually finish Sunday at football. It might be Monday morning football.

Right. But still, I mean, what a call. I already am just upset about how next year we're just going to be every single thing, a coach or an offensive coordinator says about a thing. We're going to be like, well, you know, they told us about Mike Williams, and we're going to ignore like the 10,000 things coaches say every year that just have no bearing once the season begins. How much money? Let's say he

has a good season. He finishes healthy. He maybe doesn't finish this hot, but he has like a really good season. What do you think he'll get paid? No, they franchise tag him. That's why the NFL isn't that fun in the all season. They franchise down. You think for sure? Can they still do that? I can't remember. Yeah, because he's zero chance. He's playing on

his fifth year thing, right? Isn't he franchise tagged right now? No, he's in the, he's fifth year option. No, so the way it works is first round picks. Well, all draft picks get like a four-year deal. First round picks, the team gets an automatic team option for fifth year. Then, which is like a big raise, but still. Which is this year. They picked it up, right? Yeah. So he's a fifth year. I'll pull it up. He's getting just under $16 million for this year, which is good. The franchise tag, it's a little more complicated in this, but roughly top five

average salary from the previous year. So he'll get a raise, one-year deal, but then the charges get to negotiate with him. And if they really want, they could franchise tag him again. But they'll probably tag him and sign him to an extension is really what they'll do. He'll get a lot of money. So just for some reference, right now, I'm looking at us over the cap.com. DeAndre Hopkins is the highest paid receiver in the NFL. He's averaging, he's averaging 21.3 million per year. So that's, I mean, he's going to get 18, 19 more.

That sounds about right. I don't know if he's going to get Hopkins money, but he's going to get a lot. If the charges want to give him that, then yes. But yeah, it's the top. this is this how many times is there like a top five receiver and you're like oh it could have been good and like he actually just did it and they just needed a quarter all right enough about winners let's get to losers dk who's your big loser the week yeah so sam darnold i'm losing faith already man it's like is he turning back into a pumpkin a little bit i mean he wasn't terrible last

week he did throw two picks uh he certainly wasn't terrible in fantasy last week but this week six points in fantasy 21 to 37 177 yards and three picks with one in one touchdown obviously the rushing upside that we'd been banking on over the first four weeks was gone. Two rushes for 10 yards. So I don't know. It could be a one-off bad game, but now he has thrown five picks in two games. And so that's definitely worrisome because that has always been kind of like the book on a darnold. Like the talent's there.

The arm strength is there. The skill set is there. Just really bad decision-making at times, going all the way back to USC when he was playing in college. Just a lot of turnovers, a lot of picks. bad decision making. You know, it's kind of like in the James mold where, you know, he definitely looks good at times and like make some wild throws. But at the same time, you just never know when these these meltdowns are going to happen.

So a little discouraging from Sam Darnold, whose Panthers lost to the Eagles this week. All right. My loser of the week is just the Giants. You sound so sad. It's just the Giants. The Giants to the loser. Not disrespect to Sam Donald's your point, D.K., but you know what? Sam Donald's playing football.

you know who's not. Sequin Barclay, hurt. Danny Dimes, hurt. Kenny Galdet, hurt. Kenny Galdi, like, just didn't come back for half time. Sequin got hurt on, like, the dumbest ankle injury.

I mean, he just stepped on a dude's foot and it rolled. I'm like, that happened to me, like, twice in my life. And I was like, damn, what a dumb way for Seekwine his ankle the way I have. Danny Dimes got concussed. That was Jason Garrett's fault because he's putting Danny Dimes out

in this naked bootleg. And it's like, guess what? If we're all talking about Danny Jones, being a threat around the red zone, the Cowboys know, you can't expect to do naked bootleg with deception. He's not going to outrun those guys.

It's insane to put him in that spot. He's not that fast. Yeah, he's fast, but not that fast. He's not running by outrunning people. He's running with deception. They don't expect it. But if we're talking about it, the Cowboys know, it's ridiculous to put him out there with no blockers.

And it was the worst-case scenario. Kenny Gallaudet has a knee injury. John's are missing seven of their 11 offensive starters from week one. Yeah, poor Sequin, man. His ankle looked like somebody taped a baseball to the side of it. It was so swollen.

But apparently now, they think he might just miss a week because he, quote, heals fast. No, that actually makes... So that actually kind of makes sense. They called it a low grade or a low ankle sprain, not a high ankle sprain. Yeah, yeah.

Which is good. It's not as bad as it looks, the swelling. It's not as bad as it looks. But regardless, it just sucks, although Cadarist tone is great. Anyway, the Giants made... What happened to Kenny Galladay? Like, I didn't actually see much about this.

He just left. He was not, like, he literally... The Giants beat reporters were just waiting for news, official news on Danny Jones. And they, Giants are like, Daniel Jones will not return concussion. Also, Kenny Gallaudet will not return knee. And they were all like, what?

But that's, yeah, he was really bummed that Cadarius Tony was kind of going off. And he's like, yeah, I'm not the guy. Anyway, so then Cadarist Tony punched a guy. So even the whole Cadar's Tony thing is like, oh, it's great. And then he's like, oh, bopped a cowboy. Cool. Continuing this trend, my loser, it's just all the injuries this week. Joe Burrow.

has a throat contusion. He went to the hospital after the game. Is it bad? The first thing I thought of was Fight Club? Because I was like, what is a throat contusion? Do they say throat contusion in Fight Club? No, I just, I don't know. I was like, when do people get hit in it?

I don't know. It's like, how do you get one of those? In high school, people use this thing. Chop someone in the throat? Yeah, they would call it papaya. And you would, they go papaya, and then you get like karate chopped in the throat, like your larynx.

That doesn't feel good. Super messed up. Well, high school. I think he's going to be all right. it's something to monitor this week. If you can't talk, it's probably really hard to play quarterback. That actually will affect the game pretty significant.

Well, we don't know that's actually what happened. But there were so many other injuries. It was like Burrow and Jones. Well, apparently he couldn't talk after the game. That's why he couldn't do media. They said he couldn't speak. So if it's like, I don't know, something to monitor.

So we shouldn't do papaya each other. We should not papaya one another. Anyway, other quarterbacks, obviously you mentioned Daniel Jones. Tastom Hill got hurt. He got concussed. And then, Seekwan, Kenny Gallate, Judeo Smith-Schuster, heard his shoulder.

Curtis Samuel, groin, Deonti Harris on the Saints, heard his hamstring. Quintas Cephas on the Lions, heard his shoulder. Zeke Elliott had a scary moment with his back, but he came back and seemed to be fine. Justin Fields went out for a minute and then came back. This whole day was just, we were in the Slack just like dropping in like, oh my God, so-and-so's hurt. Oh, God, so-and-so's hurt.

It really just felt like the whole day that we were doing this. And we haven't spoken since the Ram Seahawks game on Thursday night. Russell Wilson. Oh, yeah. essentially broke his finger and is out for six to eight weeks. Mallet. Mallet. What is it called?

Oh, I wrote it down because I couldn't believe what it really was. Does that mean like you got hit on the finger with a mallet? Is that where the name comes from? I wonder? Yeah, I think it's when you jam the tip of your finger like really fucking hard. It's an extension tendon disruptor.

It's a common-nuted, common-nuted fracture dislocation of the proximal interphalangeal joint. got it well whatever the finger at the end of his like past the joint it was been funny was just flapping around

so that was not good he's not gonna be back until week 10 at least at least he flew to L.A. to Cedar Sinai and Beverly Hills to get surgery

like the day after I was like yeah okay I mean that that happens a lot of guys I know but I was just like okay rest

I see you did you did you see him you gonna go to sweet green with them I'd love to would I actually I would

anyway really bummer of the day, health-wise for a lot of players. Yeah. And speaking, should we, should we keep it like on a bummer tone or should we go up and then down or should we continue to go down and then come up? Let's go to the F and finally reward. Okay.

It's a little more positive. I feel bad going up and then back down. I kind of wanted to just crater and then come back up. But let's just... You want a spiral? You want a spiral? Kind of. I think it should get better before it gets worse. It should be worse before it gets better.

Go ahead. All right. So, we want to do a panic button. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get worse for it gets better. is for the people slash players we are freaking out about, I'm starting to freak out a little bit about AJ Brown. Yeah.

On paper, he still really would probably look like a by-low because he's just so damn talented and so good. But, man, it's getting hard to ride this out, and it's definitely getting hard for me to actually say, go trade for this guy because no Julio, the Titans score 37 points, AJ Brown, three catches for 38 yards. And, I mean, look, I understand.

The injury has something to do with this. He's coming off of, I believe, hamstring and knee issues, like, to start the season. That's definitely going to affect your, like, explosiveness and all that. But it's starting to worry me, like, bigger picture. Tana Hill hasn't been nearly as efficient as we saw last year. Derek Henry getting fed, like, incredible amounts of carries. This is, like, their whole offense. and just in general, the lack of volume in this passing game,

it just makes me worried combined with the injuries. I don't know, man, because we came in, like, there was a point in the offseason where we're like, AJ Brown overall wide receiver won, and this was before Julio got traded for. But, like, even without Julio, three catches, 38 yards. This is very disconcerting to me. What do you guys think about this?

My friend texted my group chat after the Titans game game and she just said, does anyone want A.J. Brown? And he sent that text. And then he said another one that says, like, Just for, just like for free. Like, you can just have them. I don't want them anymore. Just take him.

I don't want to. I can't stand cutting him. So I'll just trade him for nothing. Whatever you want, you could just have them. I guess if you had to make, if you had to play devil's advocate here, they threw the ball 22 times. Mm-hmm. And he led the team in targets with six, which is, which is good.

What is that? You know, it's pretty much like 25% of the targets. That's not. Well, it means something. I mean, he had, you know, around 25% of the team's targets. They were ahead the entire. entire game against the shitty Jags. They're playing the Bills next week.

They're going to probably throw it 45 times. Right. I would say he's still a by-low, although it's extremely alarming what he's doing, like heavily, but a savvy fantasy manager, you trade for him. Here's the Titans schedule at Jags next week, home against the bills.

I'm an idiot. I'm looking at it. They didn't put this in in PFR yet. Sorry, they played the Jackson. It's okay. Sonny football's not over, so it has enough thing. Short, short memory I have. Sorry, next week.

They got the bills, then the Chiefs, then they're at the Colts. then they're at the Rams and then they got the Saints, Texans, and then they're at the Patriots. Yeah, I mean, like, I still think, Craig, you're right. Like, they're probably going to have negative game script where they have to pass a little bit more.

I mean, the Titans are one of those teams where even if they're losing by two touchdowns, they're just going to run a lot because they have Derek Henry. Yeah, they came back and beat the Colts by running the ball, which I've never seen before. It's just bizarre. So, but like, at the end of the day,

I still think he looks like at Bidlow, and I think, you know, you have to really still try and stay committed to the idea. that the talent is going to shine through. But I'm starting to panic a little bit. Well, again, sometimes we're too liberal with the term by low.

Bylow is the guys that the person who has them on their team has dropped their perceived value of him. So, like, if the guy's a Titans fan who loves A.J. Brown, he's not a bylaw. If the guy's putting in your group chat, can anyone have J. A.J. Brown? I even want him for free?

Like, go get A.J. Brown. If they're fed up with him, go get him. Ask how the person is feeling about him. Okay, Craig, who's your panic button? T.J. Hawkinson, who had an awesome week one against the Niners. He had like 100 yards in a touchdown, and everybody was like, it's here. Everybody predicted it, the top option in Detroit. Since then, he had a pretty good week two, and then after that he's had two points, six points, and three.

He's doing literally nothing. He has a knee injury that he's been playing through. But he even said to the media, he was like, I'm getting doubled. Teams are focusing on me. Like, I'm the best option and the defense knows it. Oh. So that was a little concerning. that he was like, yeah, it's harder now.

This is the Brandon Cook's thing, but for tight ends. Like, this is what's going with Brandon Cooks in Houston. Like, oh, I guess Khalif Raymond isn't enough for T.J. Hawkinson at Detroit to scare people off. This is happening with Waller, too. The tight end position, God, just, it sucks. Let's eliminate it. Just do flex. So, I mean, Hawkinson now, again, there's not much you can do.

You got to keep starting him. You got to keep playing him. But he's probably not a top five tight end anymore. He's probably, you know, he's like, he's just one of the guys now. He's like, no elephant. or any of all of them. Hold on. Well, let's actually talk this through for a second. That's, that's a, this is a very interesting question. So we can only agree Kelsey is still one. Yep. Do you guys still agree that Waller is still too? Yeah. Yeah. Almost by default. Well, Kittle's on IR. So he's not three. Waller's still fine. He's still going to get, he just isn't having the spike weeks that we like to see. He's still like pretty reliable. I think Kyle Pitts. is three.

He's definitely up there now. So, Kyle Pitts did the, I'm giving him the effing finally award because he had the freaking, he finally did the game. It was like, this was the spot. This was the now or never, not now and never is 21 years old, but like for our purposes or our invasion of purposes. Now or never, Calvin really didn't make the trip. Russell Gage is out.

Falcons need some offense. He did it. Nine catches, 120 yards touchdown, 22 points. Bylow windows closed. Kyle Pitts is legit. I just thought of a great. fantasy name for Kyle Pitts for a team. Because they just played in London, right?

And that was his breakout game. Tea and Crum Pits. That's good. That's pretty good. I feel like if I said that, you would make a lot of fun of me. I thought that was pretty solid. Tea and crumpets? Are you kidding me?

Just off the dome? That was pretty good. Oh, if you have T. Higgins and Pitts and you can go T. Oh, that's good. Crum pits, that's legit. You got to do it twice. That's for free. We're giving you guys that for free. Do you guys agree? He's number three. Pits, right? Who else?

I mean, Gronk, when he comes back, probably not. I would still probably go with Pits just based on, like, usage and in the offense or whatever. Plus, Grunk, who knows when he's going to be back? Mark Andrews is tied in three and, like, doesn't have a touchdown this year, which keep in mind. Yeah, he's up there still. Then we're talking about like Doss and Knox and D. Well, that's the thing. So, like, so you still have, you pits ahead of Hawkinson rest of the season. Yeah.

D.K. I would be more excited about that. Yes, correct. Wow. But I mean, it's like, it's not like I would move Hawkinson down a bunch. It's just been disappointing, you know? And I just think overall the tight-end position sucks. Like, even a guy like Goddard barely, he's like playing half the snaps.

But you're saying if someone would still give you value, like he's a top four tight end, you would take it. Yeah. Wow. Okay. By the way, Hyvitz, because you mentioned the FN Finley Award with Kyle Pitts. A little bit of context. I saw this from Matthew Freeman. Kyle Pitts is now number one all time in tight-end receiving yards through their first five games.

There's a little context for you. Is that good? Number one all-time. Just to remember that. I mean, obviously, look, I understand expectations versus reality. We had very high expectations for Kyle Pitts. It's crazy that he's still a bust, though, you know? So he's the number one tight end is the greatest.

He's been the number one tight end so far ever. But he's still kind of a bust. He's fine. He's not a bust. I'm joking. He's getting the usage that we're talking. This is like, look, we talked about Robert Woods earlier last week, and he just went completely off on Thursday night football.

And then I even tweeted this the other day. I was like, all right, Woods, you did your job. Kyle Pitts, what's up? And then Kyle Pitts came and, you know, he did his job. So we're looking at the usage. This is what we're talking about when we talk about usage, like routes, snaps, targets, all that stuff. Kyle Pitts is still doing that.

And it finally kind of came together. Of course, it did help that Cal really was out. do you think anything about Kyle Pitts's rookie season, including our expectations, would be different if he had like 87 instead of his number being 8? I kind of like 8. I kind of like it. But does it raise the expectations? Make us more impatient.

Are you 100%? I feel like we'd be more patient. Yeah. Okay. Just throw it out there. All right. I'm going to give out, well, we just did Pitts. I'm going to give out the Blake Bortles Award.

Okay. It's time to be a little happier. I'm giving this out to Jalen Hertz. But first I have to explain what the Blake Bordle's award is. This is not like the guy who can't throw football. This is like Blake Bortals fantasy-wise. When Blake Bortles was relevant, he was the garbage time king. It was like you could play him and you should not check his stats until the third quarter was over

because it was probably at four points. And then he would rack up like 18 points in the fourth quarter like consistently. Jalen Hertz has accomplished this. Jalen Hertz today had his most fantasy like real life proof game. because he ended up with 23 points, even though the Eagles' offense was putrid. It was disgusting. He basically did nothing for three quarters,

basically ended up with two rushing touchdowns in the fourth, still ended up like a top five, top six quarterback. We'll see how Sunday the football shakes out. But this, again, Jalen Hertz has not had a bad fantasy start since he became a starter in the NFL. He's incredible. Yeah, this is one of those, just check the box score.

It's not worth the stress. He's exactly like Blake Bortles. You know who he's also kind of like? when Tebow had like that 10 week span where he was kind of a thing he would have like negative one points in like eight minutes left in the fourth and then he'd finish with 20

kind of has that vibes too by the way Blake Bortles the year was 2015 he was the QB4 and really hurts the QB3 still I don't know if it's right there but you're totally right he doesn't look good until it's not that he even looks

good in the fourth he just garbage time he comes back they ended up freaking winning today they beat Carolina but a stressful player to have yeah we're gonna be careful about saying garbage time. They did win the game. Yeah, that's a good point. I guess this isn't like garbage time strictly. But it is

they were good that year, Bortles. They were like the point I think you're making though like is really, it's just like a perception thing because I don't know if you guys track your your teams like all throughout the day. I try not to look until like the first round of games are over just because it's like too stressful. But it's like

if you're watching Jalen Hertz or any players that fit into this category it's like Jesus, this guy he's going to get like a one on the day. I think I looked at one point and Hertz had like one point, like in the third quarter. And we're like feeling bad for giving people advice to start Jalen Hertz. And then like you look up the next time you look up, he's like 20 something points. That's a great point though, D.K., like I also have a rule like that. So you don't check until the early games are over. Craig, when do you check your score? Do you check the whole time or do you try to

wait at least a little to check your scores? I usually wait till 11 a.m. I give it an hour unless I can just tell by watching that all my players are going crazy. I always wait till halftime. We're not always, but like I try to never look until halftime because it's just too small sample. Like there are some, like you can, by the time the first game reaches the first quarter is over and you check, another offense might have literally gotten one drive and gone through now. And you're like, oh my God, why is it zero points? It's like, Dave had three plays. Like, chill. Yeah.

So I just can't trust myself. Okay. The Travis Kelsey Award for the player you wish you had in fantasy. D.K., who do you wish you had in fantasy? the aforementioned Derek Henry, man, the guy is just going off. Another ridiculous week, 29 carries, 139 or 130 yards and three touchdowns, 32 points in PPR. He has now averaged 31 points per game over the last four games. He's just carried, like if you have them on your team, he's just carrying you to victories.

Do we just rename this award, the Derek Henry Award for players we wish you had in fantasy? Yeah, because I think the Travis Kelsey thing is less accurate maybe now. And again, for the record, we're mid-year-old. way through the game, so we don't know if maybe Kelsey did end up going off. But Monday morning football. Yeah, Derek Kennedy is, I mean, he's like carrying his team and

your teams to victory. He's on pace now. I think we need to do a running like tally of like what he's on pace for every week just because it's so ridiculous. But he's now on pace for 483 carries for 2,176 yards and 24 rushing touchdowns.

How many yards did you say? 2,176. 486 carries for 2100 yards 4803 carries which is a ridiculous amount i should all right we so we didn't do this this week so what's in you know what's really annoying is we do the prop bets every friday and what's really knowing is that craig last week was like we should just start betting the over on all the derrick henry totals until we lose what's really annoying is that Julio and a j brown like being questionable every week means the props don't go up till they're like you know what the deal is so we can't give them on the on the pod.

But like, we really need to just bet the Derek Henry overpop every single week. We just have to do it on Sunday morning. Derek Henry's averaging 25 half-PPR fantasy points a game, which is what McCaffrey did in the crazy 2019 year. He's McCaffrey right now and he doesn't even kiss prices. Oh, also, I'm sorry. You know what? I know you guys are tired of me doing this.

I'm going to do it one more time and then I'll give you like a break. But will you? Will you actually? He brought it up. I'm just saying for all that he Derek Henry did today, 130 yards and three touchdowns. He's not the number one running back in PPR. The number one running back in

PPR is Miles Gaskin, who had 99 yards and two touchdowns. So to be clear, 31 fewer total yards and one less touchdown, but he had 10 catches. So he's the number one running back. Do you see where I'm coming from where it's like, how is it okay?

Hi, Fitz, we understand what you're talking about. We have understood the entire time. simply just don't care. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Who cares? This is the game we're playing. This is the game we're playing. This is the game we're playing. He had 10 catches. That's pretty goddamn good, man. At the running-back position, he should be the running back when he had 10 catches. Who cares? He had 99 yards

and two touchdowns. I think that's pretty good. I'm 30 yards and three touchdowns. I'm just saying I just had 10 catches. I reject the worldview that it is the way it is when every single league can change the rules every year. That's all. Mom and dad are starting to fight a lot more than they used to. I'm just like, this is like, he just keeps needling me with this. I just don't care at all. I'm not needling you. I'm just, I'm just on my soapbox. Okay, we'll move on. Yeah, that's upset. Okay, my Travis Kelsey Award for the player, I wish I had to fancy.

That's upset. It's honestly, Kedarius Tony. I, I, I don't, I love this guy. The second he came in and played that first game when he played, like, after everybody got hurt, I thought he looked to awesome. You're like, I'm in. I was like, I'm in. Take whatever the money you need. I mean. And since then, he's just gotten better and better. In the two weeks he's played fully with Sterling Shepherd out. He's averaging 11 targets a game, 133 yards in the air, and half a bunch thrown per game, hyphen, nicely done. 30% targets, he looks incredible. He looks like... I think that was from JJ Zacharison. Oh, that's funny. He looks like Deontay Johnson mixed with, like, because he's like a little bit more stout than Deontes, not as wiry. He looks like the best

receiver the Giants have had since O'Dell Beckham, and it's not even close. There is a real comp for Cadarist Tony, and I'm really upset. I can't think of it. He has been bothering me for couple weeks. Like he reminds me of a mix between two players and I have not really... Because he's really jittery and sharp with his cuts, but he's also kind of strong and compact. I'm going to get a lot of shit for saying this, but like I actually think he's more dangerous with the ball in his hands than Sequinus. That's interesting. I mean, he certainly has like more downfill ability. He went like... So coming into the league, like I thought, oh, they'll have to scheme up ways to get him the ball. And for the record, I liked him. I liked him a lot.

but there was like the thought that oh he's kind of raw he's like a one-year wonder didn't really he like basically he uh became a receiver full time like his final year at florida he was before that he was like a like a gadget player um but he's super athletic so i was just thinking like oh when he comes into the league they'll have to scheme him up they'll have to use him on gadget plays blah blah blah might take you a while might take him a while to like work his way into the offense but he's like running routes out of the slot on the outside he moths a guy he like went up high caught a ball. I think he caught like a one-hander. I mean, he was like really impressive in all areas. He's incredible. Yeah. And it wasn't just like, it wasn't just like a flash in the pan type performance, I don't think. Like they need to continue to get him the ball. It's crazy.

Captures all of this is we could talk forever about what he's doing with the ball in his hands. The most important play of this game for the Giants other than ones where all the people got hurt. The only, the last moment the Giants had a chance to win the game was like a third in goal from like the seven. And they put him at quarterback. Like, to take a cadarius Tony a quarterback and had him run power, which is like a Lamar Jackson thing. That's awesome. They treated him like Lamar Jackson and the most important play of the game, which I've seen him, dude. He looks like he's faster than everyone on the field. Yeah, anyway, Cadarist Tony is incredible, and I'm glad the Giants have him because they don't have anyone else as healthy. All right. I think so last thing on Tony, I think it's going to be really interesting to see what happens when, and it might not matter now with Goliday out, but like, you know, Darius Slayton and Sterling Shepard are both out. Goladay had, he's been hit and miss, missing time. I just think they can't,

they can't go back to like having Tony be a part-time player, right? Like, they have to, yeah. No, that would be the dumbest thing you could possibly do. There's no way. There's no chance. It happened. Like, I, he had 189 yards today. He has, he had more yards today than Alan Robinson has this entire season. Jesus Christ. He's here to stay. And if he's in your league, you should go get him. Okay. Brandon Cook's award for the player who don't want to acknowledge he's good fantasy. So here's one for you. This isn't actually me saying I don't think he's good. I just like, I can't tell if I believe this is a real thing. Dalton Schultz from the Cowboys. Yeah. I think after, well, as of now, before, you know, Monday Night Football is the number two

tight end in football and in fantasy. Um, you know, he's just been playing really well. He doesn't do anything like super flashy. He's just like really solid. He catches a lot of, like pretty much everything that's in his area. He scored a lot of touchdowns. He's kind of sneaky fast. I mean, he's athletic. He's actually, the thing I would say is like, I don't know, maybe he did, maybe he did like run really fast. I would say he's like moderately athletic. He doesn't look like super athletic to me, which is part of the deal, which is like,

do we want to believe this? He's like Lumber Jack Jason Witten. Yeah. I'm going to look up his combine because I actually don't know. He just, he's just always open and I can't explain to you why. But like Jason Wittendness. Okay. I'm going to just throw out names and you guys get zero time to think.

And I mean zero. And you have to, I'll give you like three seconds most. And you have to tell me if you would take Dalton Schultz or this tight end for the rest of the season. Jesus. So I'm going to, we'll just cut out Travis Kelsey and Aaron Waller because obviously. Well, George Kittles on IRS is kind of cheating, but George Kittle. Forget he's on IRS. Mark Andrews or Dalton Schultz, rest of the season.

Oh, my word. I just, I was still going Andrews, I think. I think I'm going Mark Andrews, too. Yeah, okay. Kyle Pitts or Dalton Schultz rest of the season? Pitts. Pitts. T.J. Hawkinson or Dalton Schultz rest of the season?

I'd still go on Hockinson. Yeah, me too. Gronk has heard that doesn't count. I think this is where it starts. Noah Fant or Dalton Schultz rest of the season. Schultz. Shultz. Dawson Knox or Dalton Shultz next rest of the season.

Knox in the one half of Sunday football we saw has like 20 points in like a half. I'd take Shultz. yes wow those are not gonna I mean what about like a sickie Schultz probably yeah for sure for me

Hunter Henry Schultz probably Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith combined or Dalton Shultz for us this season that's a serious question so like the Dalton Shultz thing for me like bottom line is

it just feels like the bottom is gonna fall out at some point like maybe that means when Gallup comes back yeah yeah or like whatever like for whatever reason I just like I keep expecting

like I think I still like my instinct is he's a massive sell high right now. Get rid of him before the bottom falls out. But I don't know if that's the case. I just don't know how to feel. I don't know if he's a cell high because if you make your way

out of tight end streaming land, who wants to go back to tight end streaming land? And that's the worst place in the world. And if you have, like, he is a legit piece of one of the best offenses in the NFL. That's all we want. He's getting targets. He might get a touchdown every week.

Like, who are you going to find better than him if you already found him? Like, no, like cling to it and just hope it continues. So I looked up his combine numbers. He ran a four-seven. five, that's fine. 32 inch vert, fine. Sprad jumps pretty good. So he's not athletic.

He's moderately athletic. He's pretty athletic. No, he's not like super athletic. There's shades of gray, high fits. There's more than one type of athletic. Yes, but we can raise the bar to NFL level athletic. Kyle Pitts is athletic. It's implied that literally, he's sneaky athletic.

Yes, but literally every single position play, we can even kickers if we want, but take kickers and putters every every single player in the NFL is athletic. Literally, they're athletes. We can judge. by the curve of NFL athletes. That's just, you're just getting pedantic now. This is like, come on. You can say, the Weird Flex but Okay award.

God, you can't I are just going at it right now. I'm just saying, man. You have these weird obsessions. Okay. Weird flex, but okay. The guy nobody expected to play well. High Fitz, who you got? Dude, Miles Gaskin got two carries last week and then had the best day of his life today.

Miles Gaskin had 10 catches, which is dumb, 10 points, whatever. But still, 10 catches, he led the team he received. yards. Miles Gasson was the leading receiver for the Dolphins a week after he had two carries. I think we, the fantasy community as a collection, all agree in saying, F you, Miles Gaskin. That was wild. That's a Miles Gaskin's fault.

What did he do? Did he go to the coach last week and be like, I just want two carries today and I'm good. Like, that's not his fault. This ruins everything. Now no one knows what to do with him. This sucks. What do we do with you? Everybody benched Miles Gaskin this week. So I think specifically what happened today was they played the Buccaneers.

They were down a lot of receivers, and they had to do the quick game. And I thought that quick game would mean Jalen Waddle. And that's why I took the Jalen Waddle over in receptions, especially when Devante Parker went out. And the quick game actually just meant dump off to Miles Gaskin over and over and over and over again. Jacoby Brousette had like a hamstring injury that got worse, which just exacerbated everything. So like, it was just a series of like dumpoffs that they were just like, honestly,

this was like Miles Gaskin was the offense day. Like, that was the plan. It's wild. Yeah, he played 12 snaps last week. And then Malcolm Brown played 35 snaps. This week, Malcolm Brown five snaps. This is per PFF. Miles Gaskin 37 snaps. What the hell?

I very much think that the receiving today was because no one can run on the Buccaneers, or at least it's not worth trying. But I don't know about the snapshot going forward. We'll see. Just don't know what to do with him going forward. It's tough. Craig, who's your weird flex but okay this week? Is a guy named C Moore on the Texans?

His name's not Cimore. His first initial is C and his last name is Moore. And I'm doing that because when I saw C dot more. I didn't know who that was. So I'm not going to write his full name. I've learned it as Chris Moore, but I did not know that when I saw his line. He had 109 yards against, perhaps on the best offense in the league, with the best quarterback in the league, Davis Mills, and the Houston Texans. Um, kind of an, he's 28 years old, this guy. 100 yards. So the whole Texan offense was a plot twist today. We were like, wow, they had like, they didn't do anything against

the bills. And now they're playing the Patriots and, you know, rookie. hapless quarterback and a hapless team going against the Belichick and the Patriots and Davis Mills at 300 yards and it was the top 5 quarterback this week. Plot twist. Yeah, what the hell was that all about? Are you guys, question, do you think Davis Mills is good?

No. Are you sure? Oh, man. The whole Belichick, the whole like what Belichick does to rookie quarterbacks thing, like, if there was one thing I thought you could believe in in the NFL, it was that.

And now I just don't know I'm all turned around I don't know what to believe anymore I don't know who's good I don't think anyone knows The easy answer sitting right there Is that this was like a huge Comedown week after the Buccaneers Patriots game

And even Tom Brady was like Said he was like rattled by it It was not a normal game And that it probably was not a normal game For the Patriots either That's like kind of too easy though Like they still got like the Patriots defense got rocked So like I don't know that's it's kind of too easy

But yeah that narrative doesn't work for Tampa Brady had four touchdowns. Five. Like, they weren't rattled. They were a better team and they won the game. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. It's too easy to be like,

well, the Pats just had the come down from that game. Like, I don't really have an explanation. What do you think the oldest age is for a player to have their first 100-yard game? Because Chris Moore has been in the league since 2016. He has never had a 100-yard game. That's a good question. 28 years old is pretty late.

Well, the real answer is probably Matthew Slater for the Patriots who's been like an 11-year special teams receiver who, like, has like, Has you ever had 100 yards in a game? CPAT. What about Coral Patterson? I mean, I'm sure you had a hundred yard game before, right? Did he?

I don't know. Probably. I won't. Dude, Davis Mills, Davis Mills had negative 4.3 points last week. 11 to 21, 87 yards, zero touchdowns, four picks. Today, 21 and 29. I wonder where that ranks among biggest fantasy turnarounds, though. That one we should find.

What is, like, the worst performance filed up by the, what's the biggest gap in weekly performances that didn't involve an injury. I'm sure this doesn't sniff it, but like, it was pretty good. Like, he went from four picks

and no touchdowns to three touchdowns zero and it's 24.7 points. Pretty good. If anyone can find that for us, like the biggest gap in fantasy performance that does not involve

an injury or like a playing time thing week to week, send that to ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Okay. Davis Mills is ruining the bad quarterbacks league. I bet you,

I mean, he was a shoe in first pick. Oh, man. Craig, I had Davis Mills and Herbert this week. Rough. Oh,

you morons. You morons picking Herbert. Okay, so... I know. Seymour had zero points prior today, so I think that we will not see more of Seymour. Okay. Burn, very important.

Burn book. I have my thoughts. I want to open it up to the floor. I know who I want to burn this week, but I want it to be... I want a discussion first. Craig, do you have someone? Yeah, I have somebody who I think it's time.

I love this player. I've loved him for a long time, and I think he is supremely talented. Once again, just screwed over by a situation. However, we have to kind of confront the reality we're living in. Alan Robinson. Yeah. Wow.

Alan Robinson has not a double-digit fantasy points in a game this year. Kill the vampire song, Craig. Yeah, it's getting guys that hard to believe. You want Dalton back. I don't know what you want, but I think it's Alan Robinson burn time. Bring back Trubisky. So, yeah. We're adjacent, because I,

I had Justin Fields. Oh, wow. Because if you've been holding on to Fields this season, which we recommended, I've recommended everywhere. I was like, get Jalen Hertz and Justin Fields and you'll be good. Jailen Hart's been great. Fields has sucked. And like this point, you've got two starts.

Got 15 points. Very simple. The rushing floor is not there. Like the rushing floor, we just talked about Jalen Hertz where it's like he can suck, but he'll have like somewhere between eight and 14 points as a rusher anyway. That does not exist with Justin Fields. He might be good. You might be regret dropping him.

but like, I don't think you should hold on to Justin Fields in one quarterback leagues anymore. But maybe I'm being over Justin Fields first three starts for the Bears. He has 25 rushing yards over Tom Brady's first three starts of the season this year. He had 30. Jesus. Yeah. I think Fields is a heavy cut. That's crazy.

It's not there. I think this is interesting. And I would agree that he's probably cuttable at this point just because, like, he said, the rushing floor is not there. He's not running. I don't know why he's not running because he ran a lot in the preseason and like in the spot starts that he was in there. or spot appearances or whatever for the bears. It's just kind of weird.

So that was definitely not what I expected, but burning him? Like, it's his third start. Like, this doesn't feel like a burn. Would you want to burn myself? You want to burn Danny Hyphitz for saying Justin Fields would be worth holding on? It's a big cutthroat.

It's cutthroat. So burn me. Burn me for saying Justin Fields would be good. I mean, I don't think it's, I think you're right, though, like at this point, maybe just move on and you can cut him at this point, but like, I don't know. I guess you can cut Fields,

To Craig's point, the real spirit of the burn book is like, if you draft to Justin Field, of first of you have him, like, I'm sure many of you do, I'm sorry. Like, I was wrong. Justin Fields been awful. You didn't have a lot of investment in the late round. But he took him hopefully really late. For a dollar, five bucks. It's whatever.

It's a bench spot. Alan Robinson was a high pick who has literally been outperformed by multiple people who have been available on the waiver wire. Like Emmanuel Sanders is running laps around Justin, around, uh, around Alan Robinson has 32 fantasy points in the whole year. That was what Mike Williams did today. Cadarious, I can't believe we said Cadarist Tony's more receiving yards today than Alan Robinson has the season. Crazy. Alan Robinson has 182 yards on the season. Yeah, all right. I think you're right. I think Alan Robinson is the guy. Again, it's not his fault. That's what sucks. I'm sorry,

Alan Robinson. He's like, he's like Wilson. We're Tom Hanks. We're like, I'm sorry. Dude, he is the opposite of Mike. He's literally the opposite of Mike Williams because he's playing for his big contract this year and it's just like oh this is brutal i don't think so i don't is he playing poorly this is just the worst situation well he's not playing poorly but his stats like that's what they they use this in contract when he goes in a free agency or teams really going to be like you know alan why did you have 149 yards through they've no they know why what do you mean they might i think mike williams is going to have a little bit better leverage at the freaking table than allan Robinson is. That's the point. Mike Williams is going nuclear on people.

You say that, but like in theory, the fucked up part of the NFL is that Mike Williams getting a franchise tag. But if Alan Robinson hits the open market and the chiefs are, well, I guess the chief, but like in some teams like, wow, we need get Zach Wilson help. Let's put Alan Robinson at the court Davis. There's a world where Alan Robinson could get more money than Mike Davis. Mike Williams. Sorry. I misspoke earlier, by the way, about the, Mike Davis just on my mind. DeJon Jondra Hopkins is getting 27 million per year APY. Yeah, that's like a two-year deal, though. But I would say, I would say overall, like, I tend to agree.

Like, Alan Robinson still, he's still going to get paid. Kenny Goliday got paid, and he only played like four games last year. So he'll get paid. In a weird way, Robinson playing to a level, the Bears let him go, could get him more money in a way that he's blameless, could get him more money than Mike Williams playing like this. That's the way the NFL works, which is bizarre. It is weird.

Well, anyways, I'll allow it. If you want to cut Justin Fields, go for it. It's fair. I think cut Justin Fields. Yeah. And also while we're here, Trey Lance. Tray Lance runs, though.

Yeah, he ran it like 18 times or something today. Yeah. So don't cut Trayland. Because Fields even ran it 18 times this season? No. No. Lance had 16 carries for 89 yards. Fields has,

well, he had 10 in, like, relief, when adult, he had her week two. Yeah. He had 10 in relief of a doll and that wasn't count. So since he became starting, he has nine carries. It's bizarre. I don't understand why he's not doing that.

But, I mean, look, at the end of the day, like, the Bears won today. it's not like he played terribly. He didn't play that well, but for fantasy purposes, it's not what you want. Yeah, it feels is cooked.

Okay. All right. Cutfields. Alan Robinson's burned. All right. Quick propet update. We went. We don't know we went because this game's...

Well, we should know. We're recording this Sunday during the game. Clyde Edwards-Lare did go out with a pretty major looking injury. I don't think he has come back in. I mean, it looked like they literally carried him off the field. It looked pretty, pretty painful.

Oh, is that what we're recording? I have not seen an official update, but, yeah, he's not going to hit his over. So let's see. I'll see if I can find something, but while we talk about it, he's out. He's out, so yeah, he's not hitting it. Okay. Well, that's a really annoying way to do it. I know, but regardless.

Okay, we're five or nine on the week. And, yeah, so I don't know the exact percentage we're out in the year. I think we're at 60? Something like that. 58%. 58%. That is like the sharp number. I think you want to be in the 56 to 58 range.

That's like, like if you can do that, you're set. Yeah. So because like a lot of prop bets, they take like a lot of bad of juice. So you have to do 57% to hit profit. And we're 58%. So we've netted you 1%. Yeah. So congrats.

You're welcome. If you followed every single bet, we've given you. Yeah. I want to talk real quick about the Jaguars. because I think I actually literally said it. So one of my props was Marvin Jones over four and a half catches. He had one catch.

And I said when I was giving the pitch, I was like, what? Are they going to just feed the ball to Tavon Austin and Jamal Agnew? Tavon Austin, five catches, 54 yards. Jamal Agnew, who I had to double check was even on the Jaguars, six catches and 41 yards. Just ridiculous.

The Jags, God damn it. They just pissed me off. Yeah, Marvin Jones. one catch for 25 yards. Leviska-Chanal, one catch for 58 yards. Like, what are you doing? What are you guys doing? It's almost like they weren't game planning last week,

and they were, like, drafting, like, public statements of apology. Can you guys name the teams that Tavon Austin has been on? Yeah. Cowboys. The Rams. The Rams. He was on... There's one more team other than Jacksonville.

Very, very much don't remember this. Don't tell me. I won't. He had five catchings. for that team. Was he on the Chiefs? No. Can you give me the conference?

Yeah, give us a hint. Give us a hint here. They're in the NFC. Packers. Yep. I remember now. I remember now. Yeah, he was like their...

It was a short-lived thing. Remember when they were... Weren't the Cowboys talking about making him like their webback or something? I don't even want to talk about. Is that a real phrase? No. Webback?

The guy who was like, let's give... The guy who decided that Tavon Austin should, like, be a central part of the Cowboys' offense in, like, 2017, 2018 is now running the Giants offense. Oh, yeah, that's right. But now you got Gaddaer's Tony. Pretty cool. Who is what really Tavon Austin was expected to me. So that's, you know, it all comes full circle, doesn't it? All right.

That's all we got. But thank you, D.K., thank you. Hold on there, folks. Before we get out of here, want to let people know, we are not going to be publishing a show on Monday night for Indigenous People's Day. We will be off Tuesday morning. waiver show will come out. So if you don't see it on Monday, that is why. It'll come out Tuesday morning. Waivers Tuesday morning. Power hour still on schedule for Wednesday. And...

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Now I'm kind of mad at you. Okay, let's end the pod. Let's end it. All right, all right, goodbye.