The Ringer NFL Show - Week 5 Recap: Drake & Josh, Baker Beats Darnold, Dumb Fumbles, Sad Herbert, and Eric Collins Returns

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 5 action by going through categories such as Winners and Losers, Intrusive Thoughts, the Lucille Bluth Award, and so much more. (0:00) Intro (1:00) ‘Sunday Night Football’: Patriots-Bills (10:02) Winners and Losers (36:26) It’s So Over. We’re So Back. (46:18) Fart or Shart (54:27) Who’s cooking? (01:04:23) Intrusive Thoughts (01:11:33) The Plays of the Day (01:24:33) Tom Brady/Magic Johnson Tweets (01:28:37) The Arthur Smith/Shawn Hochuli Award (01:37:58) The Lucille Bluth Award (01:39:16) Fantasy Burn Book Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hifton. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Warwick, and we're going over Sunday of Week 5 is over. Where to go through all the games? Don't forget to email us trivia questions for waivers on Monday. Don't forget to email us Fantasy Court cases for Fantasy Court and Power Hour Wednesdays. We're going to go through all the games. We're starting with Sunday at football.

The Patriots beat the bills, 2320. Weird game. Really weird game. Honestly, I feel like DK. I want to get into Drake, mate, Josh Allen stuff in a sense. But I do you feel like this is why the Patriots hired Mike Vrable. Like the Patriots are a little ugly too, but Mike Vrable goads the bills who had eight turnovers all last year to like two fumbles in the first quarter.

They had five penalties in the first quarter. They had 11 of the night. You say Mike Vrable goaded the bills into fumbling twice in the first quarter? Well, they were just like that. Mike Vrable did? Yeah. Oh, with coaching. Yeah.

At one point, like. He drags his opponents down into their level. Is that not? All right. Fine. Maybe goaded into it. fine. That's maybe it's a stupid.

I just thought that was funny. You're like, Mike Rabel forced two fumbles in the first. Thank God he did that. It's a very New York Times opinion column way to say it. Fine. Fair enough. But regardless,

I thought they was a well-coached game for a team that the Patriots also kind of had sloppiness. It was a very safe game. I feel like it was a mellow game that was a really fun outcome that the Pats beat the bills. But I feel like the Patriots and Drake May, who I associate with like chaos, was very kind of like,

didn't make any huge mistakes, played really strong. smart, like, didn't make any, like, crazy stupid throws. He made some awesome throws. Like, I feel like both quarterbacks spent the entire day on the sideline about to step out of bounds making throws, you know? Well, I believe, I would like to hear what the coaches say about this, but like the bill's game plan seemed to be to flush Drake May out of the pocket because it happened,

like, every third play or every second play, he was just outside, run around. He kept making really nice plays. There was one throw down the sideline to step on digs where he was sliding out of bounds. he was very accurate on the run. So, yeah, I was very impressed. Like, overall, my impression was this from this game was Drake May is legit. I think there was some doubt starting to creep into my mind a little bit early on in the season. But this game was very much a reinforcement of what I originally thought, which is great.

He was going to be good. He played really smart. And I was impressed with how matured and safe he was in front of your eyes, Craig? I thought I thought maybe he did. I thought you were going to make this the debutante ball. Maybe he is the debut time ball. But I think there were moments where you couldn't tell which court. Like, you know, the joke is that Drake May is like the young Josh Allen.

And I thought there were a lot of moments today where he did look like that. Yeah, so Drake May finished completes 22 or 30 passes for 273 yards, no touchdowns, no turn, no picks. Took four sacks, but even some of the sacks were kind of, I don't want to call him high IQ. But, yeah, I totally agree. It's one of those things where the obvious thing is, to me, the big story, which is, yeah, Drake May kind of looked a lot like Josh Allen. the two-play sequence where he stiff-armed the guy in the face while going down and just throwing the ball away would have been really athletic, but he actually completed the ball to Diggs, and then Diggs went and got the first, and they kind of extended the drive.

And he did that in Buffalo with Stefan Diggs. And I'm like, yeah, this actually does look like something Josh Allen would have done at the end of year two when he was kind of rounding into like a better player. And then the next play was, was that the off-schedule one? Oh, no, wait. I wrote it. Oh, no, it was followed by the whole shot in cover two. Where, like, the combo of the physical strength,

the stiff arm of defender and the, I don't know, guile to just kind of flip the ball. And then the next one, you have the arm strength that just, like, hit the ball in the hole, like, to the receiver down. And, yeah, I'm like, that's some Josh Allen shit. And Drake Bade did a lot of Josh Allen shit here without the Josh Allen Carson Wendt's brain rot,

mistakes that usually cost him the game. And I think that's a cool thing that happens. We do the talent like Drake May with Mike Vrable is an incredible coach. Mike Vrable's amazing. I think Mike Vrable, I don't want to call this Belichickian, I don't know what the verb would be, whatever. But I think Mike Vrable is actually more like Bill Parselyssels

than Belichick. But I think this situation reminds me a lot of Tomlin taking over where Mike Tomlin getting Ben Rothesberger when he was really young in like 2008, whatever year that was. Like the Vrabel, Drake May thing, I feel like we're going to have this for like 10 years plus. There was a cool moment late in the game,

if it's to that point where it was they were trying to get it they were basically setting up for the field goal right and and uh may almost took a sack he managed to escape the sack kind of run around that he didn't panic and then he just ran and i think it was like either a loss of one or he gained one or whatever it's just like a he turns what could have been something really bad like it's a five yard six yard sack into just a no gain and there was it zoomed in on brable on the sideline like talking to drake he's like you're fine you're fine that was fine It was great. Like you can see them working together.

Obviously, I think May this season has been a work in progress, but this was a great, yeah, like a debutante ball for him, basically. He just, I think if you looked at the Twitter timeline

all during the fourth quarter, people were like, Patriots got a guy. They got a guy again. Like everyone's just like epileptic. It's so annoying. Or, you know,

validating their priors or whatever. There was a play in Drake May's college career where he like escaped a pocket, got outside, then threw a touchdown with his left hand because he got a guy draped on him. And I was like, I keep waiting for that guy to show up.

And I felt like he did in this game finally have that sort of like outside of pocket, outside of structure, playmaking magic. And it was very cool to see. What is Drake May's ceiling? Do you really think? Like, because we can compare him to Josh Allen. Well, I don't think he's Josh Allen. I mean, Josh Allen, first of all, is bigger and more explosive and faster and more powerful.

He's sort of an alien. I've always kind of compared him to Justin Herbert. Drake May to Justin Herbert. Like if Justin Herbert, like, had been dating Madison beers the whole time, like fun Herbert. Yeah, yeah. Just but like a big guy with a big arm who can make plays out of structure and make really, really incredible throws. I think that's the ceiling that you get with Drake May.

Obviously, he has to prove it more than one time. But I think you saw glimpses of it tonight. No, one time's enough, right, Greg? Well, if you looked at Twitter, people were kind of like announcing his arrival. He's here. He's here for good. I mean, he beat the bills. He won't want to sit in football.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like a Josh Allen impersonator. He's like a really uncanny good cover band. A really good cover band. Fantasy-wise, this game's also nuts because this is the second game this season, Ramonjo Stevenson and Antonio Gibson both fumbled. And then Vrable, I actually respect Vrable for not being the reactionary defensive coach who just kind of like pulls the guy because he fumbles.

I agree. Look, I agree. That's what good coaches do. We complain all the time about coaches who a guy fumbles and they just pull him. But Rable's giving Rambandre like, it's kind of too much leash now. How many years in a row is? It's got nine lives. I know.

It's like how many times can he fumble before you get benched? We could get it. You know, I don't want to be like the play Trivion. Like it's the play free bird. However, I really want to ask you, why did, Dika, you noticed this, Craig. Did you notice Trivion Henderson's nameplate? His name was the smallest font I've ever seen on a jersey? Yes.

It looks very weird. You mentioned like Drake Mays looks like a cover band. It looks like a knockoff jersey. It looks like you buy it like some flea market. It looks like Temu. I actually have a theory on this. You know when Michael Scott wears the woman's suit in the office? Temo, Timu?

Timo? I don't know. Timo? Tammu? The app? Tammu? I don't know. I've never seen it. I don't know what either are. I heard it out loud. What? You never heard somebody say like it's a Timo this? It's a Timmu that? You've never heard somebody say that? I've seen jokes in writing. I don't know to fucking say it.

Never heard anyone say it out loud. I've never heard or read it. You got to get out in the field with people, you know what I mean? Get offline. The, y'all, you're all. about the app off. It's like it is a like a Ross dress for less version of a jersey. They didn't even give them a real jersey. Yeah. It looked terrible.

Well, for people who don't know, I've never seen anything like it. Like you don't, I don't know how to describe. I guess it goes shoulder blade to shoulder blade. All the names are the same size. And I don't think I'd ever realize I know exactly what they're supposed to look like until I saw one that looked totally wrong. And Henderson is a long name. I keep thinking it's not him because I, it was just from a distance.

looks like his last name has like three letters in it. I kept getting it wrong. I was like, are they on defense? Why is there a 30? Because it's like, it took up less space than like Henry. Hunter Henry and him were next to each other. And Henry was longer than Henderson. So I have a theory.

There was a flag, there was a women's flag football game at halftime. I swear to God, their jerseys had the same font. And I almost wonder if there was an issue. He's had this the whole season. No, he's had this the whole season.

He has had it the whole season. But why is it like that? It's bad that like Jacori Cross Merritt's name can fit on the back of his jersey is much easier than Henderson. What is the deal? Henderson's not that long of the last name. Can we get, we got to get Pablo Tori on this and like figure out why the

fuck his letters are so small. What is going on there? It's like somebody freaked out and was like there's no way this is going to fit. It's bizarre. He's the only player in the NFL with this font size. Yeah. It's so bizarre. Oh my God. Also, we just what do you guys think of the

Bill's jerseys, the cold front jerseys? Yeah, I didn't like, I didn't love them. It would have been cooler if They had won like 48 to zero. Yeah, that's fine. They feel more cold weather. That's like a snow game jersey to me. I agree with that.

It was weird to rock them in the first week of October. It's like I put them out in December. No, and it didn't hold a candle to Buck Seahawks, which was like one of the all-time jersey matches. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we get-

That was the only cool thing that happened in that game. Go to that game. D. Let's come on. There's a lot of cool things. A lot of cool. Even Seattle had a lot of cool thing. I feel like Dika, how are you feeling Buck Seahawks?

I feel like you're, The Seahawks lost, but I do feel like we won for having watched. Yeah. How are you going to assess winners and losers for that game? Well, I think if I'm trying to be objective, the winners of the week were people who love offense, because that game was one of the coolest back and forth barn burners we've seen in a really long time. Both quarterbacks, Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, were absolutely lighting it up.

They had 720 yards and six touchdowns together and 10 incompletions. they were just nails from start to finish basically. The difference in the game was the Seahawks had two turnovers, including that one back, breaking one at the very end of the game, where Sam Darnold tried to throw the ball. He said he tried to throw the ball away. It hit a guy's helmet, bounced up,

and it was intercepted, and then that led to the game winning field goal. But otherwise, both of these quarterbacks were so fucking good. And the receivers, the Ohio State receivers, my God, Jackson Smith and Jigba and Emeka, who already looks like a superstar. I think JASN has ascended to a higher point. like he's absolutely one of the best receivers in the NFL right now full stop and then abuka looks like he's right on his way to that um you know just a really fun offensive game i think both

guys are scheming them up really well and kind of finding cool ways to get their guys open um baker mayfield just keeps winning games on grit and moxie and smelling so it's like he had a 20 yard touchdown to mecca early in the game on a third and 15 which was just i'm just fuck it he's down there somewhere. I'm throwing it up. And then later in the game, we had a 57-yard reception to Emekaabuka on a third and 13. So credit to Baker Mayfield, man, he really, you know, some incredible plays in this game. That was the difference. It's funny that Emekaabuka and JSN were like the two least hyped Ohio State wide receivers of the last five years and they're the two best now. You know, why? It's because they're not as athletic. They were just good at football,

which no one wants in the first round. People want, like, people on Jameson Williams and Gary, well, Gary Wilson is good. But like people want athletic guys who could be good at football, not guys who are like already good at football. Yeah, you're always looking for the upside or whatever. JSN. I mean, JSN, it's funny that we say he's not athletic because I do think he moves differently than almost any receiver in the NFL. His body control is insane. The way he can corner and turn and twist and contort his body to make a catch and then keep running downfield without even skipping a beat. But it's like the dumb combine stuff. It's like those types of metrics and measurable is that they don't. shine in, then knock them down the draft board, and then they show up and are immediately good. It's like, there's just like, it's like two sides of the scale. Sometimes you have like the freaks where it's like Malik neighbors and Jamar Chase and you're

like, obviously these guys are awesome and then they end up being awesome. And then there's the opposite side of the scale where it's like, these guys kind of are below a lot of the marks of kind of the elite athletic quad receivers. But when you watch them play, they're just always open and really good and always perform. And those guys usually work in the NFL. It usually transling. Even Cam Scatterboot is a good example. Just like he was, he was good.

You watch it. You get to see with your eyes. And Abuka and Jensen both have that. Yeah. The, I don't have enough superlatives for Abuka. Buka is. Dude, he was always open in this game. Always open.

Yeah, it was. From a Seahawks fan point of view. That's wide open all the fucking con. The Seahawks came into this game number one in DVOA. I thought this was going to be like a kind of a slog of a game. and, you know, come down to one or two big plays. And it was just a back and forth. It was 38 to 35, by the way, of Buccaneers.

And, I mean, both teams, obviously, the Buccaneers came into this game extremely banged up. And by the end of the game, the Seahawks had lost, I think five or six of their defensive back starters. They were just, like, down to dudes I had barely even heard of playing back there. And, man. Which level the playing field because the Bucks kind of started the game that way, with just like, just every starter. Yeah. And like I said, the difference in the game, Seahawks had a turnover. early in the game when Jalen Milro missed a pitch to Kenneth Walker,

which is like totally unnecessary. Like what are we doing? Sam Darnold is playing like one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. A guy for a package and then they screw it up is. That was just stupid, I thought. And then the CX missed a field goal and they turned it over late in the game. And that was the difference. But I will say though, I know Darnold had the pick at the end of the game to lose.

I will say he was throwing it away. It was a pretty bad beat that he angled it in a way that bounced off guy's helmet went right to another defender. I got to tell you. I haven't felt that low after a Seahawks lost in a long time, Hyph. It's like I've kind of gotten to the point where I've separated a little bit. Obviously, I'm still a Homer.

That means you got really high, though. That's good though. That's what I'm saying. Like, that nature's healing. I'm like, Darnaud looks fucking legit. I thought, I thought the Seahawks were stupid to trade away Gino Smith.

In retrospect, obviously, it looks brilliant now because Darnold is playing amazingly. Gito is melting down and playing horrifically for the Raiders right now. So it's like, man, obviously the Seahawks made the right call here. And that's really exciting. It's more than the right call.

Did any team make a better move this offseason than the Seahawks getting Sam Darnold? I know. And this was something that Hayden Winks over at Underdog was talking about last week of the week before. It's like Sam Donald has one of the best quarterback contracts in the NFL right now. They didn't even give up a pick for him.

They just signed him in free agency. For 35 million, 35, 40 million. That's insane. For 20 million. Yeah. You know who can use Sam Darnold, the Jets. You know who can use Baker Mayfield, the Browns. This game was so many things to me.

and like the Baker Darnel thing, scientists will study how the Carolina Panthers had both these guys today. Slaying doors go. People were sharing the picture of Baker Bayfield when he was like lighting up on scout team playing defensive end. It's incredible.

I don't even know if that was real, but I will say though, I don't want to do too much for one game. I know the Bucks injuries are, I don't want to take too much. But after seeing Darnold win the 14 games last year, I know the last two games were tough. But I am just stunned by how good Darnold is sometimes. And like, I think you forget

sometimes the physical tools are there, like the arm strength, the accuracy and stuff. But the play he made, the touchdown to Tori, I think was fourth and three, to Tori Horton, and he just contorted it around. He just got, like, he knew he had to do that. And it wasn't just the ability to do it, but it was, there was an urgency.

He couldn't see Tori Horton initially, and he just knew he just had to get the ball there. And there's just, I, I just, you could tell that the quarterbacking has just seeped like the marinated into the deepest parts of his brain where Darnold just knows it to play in a way that frankly he had no idea how to do even three or four years ago

and I don't know I just keep thinking about quarterbacking is that that Amazon doc they yeah speaking of pronunciation is going to go wrong yeah Jiro dreams is sushi the best sushi restaurant in the world and the guy's son has to make like cornbread for 10 years before he's allowed to touch a sushi knife right and I'm like maybe quarterbacking's also like that It's like you're either Jaden Daniels or Drake May and you get good immediately. Or some guys are like Darnold, where it takes years and years of apprenticing.

And then one day you're like, oh, my God, you're amazing at this. And it takes seven years. But I don't know. Or, I mean, if Donald was immediately joining Kevin O'Connell as a rookie, maybe he would have just been good immediately. Yeah, maybe just don't go to the Jets and Panthers. Yeah. There's definitely a middle ground, Craig, to your point where he would have looked a lot better if the support system was a lot better. Obviously, we're talking about Donald.

Baker Mayfield won the game. And I got it. the other, Baker Mayfield still has a horseshoe up his ass. Like the Buccaneers and He made a deal with the devil, dude. They, yeah. They, I think they've won four games this year by all then less than three points.

And they're all like fourth quarter back and forth game time or like a game winning drive. Baker Mayfield just pulling some crazy ass throw out of his ass in every game. Yeah, they're, they're really living on the edge of here. It's crazy. I feel like, I feel like Baker and Donald are,

are two sides of the same coin in that. I feel like, like in terms of the armed talent and kind of like what they're capable of doing is is kind of similar. But I do think that at the end of games, Baker just has that like intangible flow state. I trust him. Totally. And Donald does it yet.

It's a little tighter. That's totally fair. And maybe he'll get there. They're very similar. It's just like in the final minute of the game, I trust Baker. I don't trust Donald yet. Flow state is the right word. Even two years ago in the playoffs when the Lions went to the NNC championship game for the Niners,

even there, Baker really almost came back from like two or three touchdowns down in the divisional round. Like even then, I was kind of like, he's going to do this. I just, I believe Baker, it's really one of the most amazing stories. Honestly, if you extended to college, even his college career was just this like weird journey all around. Like he's just, it's an un, honestly, the 2018 draft is just like a crazy group of people, honestly. The whole between Lamar, Josh, Baker, Darnold, it's all like an amazing journey for everyone. To D.K.'s point, they're just about the bucks, because again, I want to shut the bucks. It's not just that they won every game.

They've won by three points. They're the first team in the history of the NFL to win for their first five games. By all the wins are by three or fewer points. That's never happened before. Dude, the bucks, you've got to give it to the bucks. They're one of the most competent franchises. I mean, a year after year. Like, they, like, Todd Bowles has never discussed in any conversations.

And, like, they draft well. None, even, like, like, none. Like, none. No conversations. They draft well, like, like, signing Baker. They just do a great job. Bill made the point a couple weeks ago that the Bucks might quietly be the best team of the decade. Dude.

And because it's like you've got the tail end of the Brady ring and then now with going into Baker. And it's like they might be the most competent franchise in the NFL right now. Jason Light, the GM is probably, I mean, you could argue Jason Light's the best is, I mean, if you want to argue about Howie Rosen or whatever. Jason Light's certainly the most underrated GM in the NFL because it's not just they convinced Brady. I'm blown away. the core of the Buck's Super Bowl team that won five years ago, it is crazy how many of those guys are still there

and participating and how many just draft picks they keep hitting. Like, it is just no one talks about it. And the irony, and they're a well-run team. And the irony is that the team that the glazers who own the Bucks, people hate the way they run their soccer teams in the Premier League. And it's funny. But maybe they just ignore the Bucks and they can do whatever they want. But yeah, the Bucks can't say enough about them.

You know, the Buccaneers are not really considered one of the all-time great franchises, whatever. there's just sort of like a stigma there, but you're absolutely right. And if you look at drafting, what they've done in free agency, being able to bring Tom Brady, and then also be able to replace Tom Brady and kind of keep going. Their offensive line, the picks that they've made over the last few years are very impressive. I mean, you go down the list and it's just hits after hits, so it's crazy. They replaced Tom Brady before the Patriots did.

Dude, that's, yeah, it's like the hardest thing to do in sports is find a quarterback. And they like, you know, they've cycled through and found guys. and look at all the teams that gave up on Baker Mayfield. There was a great underdog tweet today that was like, Donald and Mayfield combined for whatever, 760 yards and six touchdowns or whatever it was. And it was just a picture of them both in Panthers' uniforms like some game or practice or something.

I'm just like, man, the NFL is wild. It's crazy they were on the same team together. Speaking of the NFL being wild. Another game that happened here, Craig. Who's your loser today? I'm giving it to Philly. And I thought this game, although you could say, oh, we've been bitching about the Eagles not throwing

and they threw a ton today, I just thought this was a really bad loss and a weird game for the Eagles. And I do think their identity is kind of all over the place right now. It was just a bizarre game. They were up 17 to 3. They kind of got up early and they held it for a long time. They were up 17 to 3 in the fourth quarter.

They were 14 in the fourth quarter. And to me, is there a team that you should be able to trust with the lead more than the Eagles and what the Eagles do. They didn't score a point and they blew the lead in their last five possessions, punt, three and out,

three and out, three and out, failed Hail Mary. They couldn't run the ball, which I think is, I mean, the whole, like, they can't throw the ball thing. I almost think the A.J. Brown stuff is obscuring the fact

that they actually also can't run. 100%. Sequin Barkley had six rush attempts in this entire game. They had one designed, Nate Dice tweeted that they had one designed run in the second half. And even on the defensive side of the ball,

like Bo Nix would lit them up in the fourth quarter. Nine for 10, 130 yards, touchdown. They had three scoring drives in the fourth quarter, the Broncos did. I don't know. Like, for the roster the Eagles have, like they will probably win 12 games still and be totally fine.

I just think there's some concerning things going on on both sides of the ball. The offensive line doesn't look as good. They can't run the ball. The receivers are pissed. Devonte Smith had a good game. I don't know. Hyfitz pointed out that AJ Brown

like tackled Devante Smith in the end zone when they were like going up for the Hail Mary. It was like three flies up when everybody goes after it and then nobody gets it. And then it was slanted on top of a jackpot. It was unbelievable. And then the Broncos guy is accidentally like twerking and their fucking face in the end of the Hail Mary.

You know what I mean though? Like is there ever been like in the last five years? If a team is up two scores like and you had to pick you could draft any team from any era to hold the line. You're like, the Eagles. But you're right, though, it's funny because the tush push, you're like, and they can't pass the ball.

They're like, oh, they can't run. The last three weeks, Sequin's averaging 2.7 yards of carry. I mean, he's basically been doing that the entire year. I know. The offensive line is just not as good as it was last year. It's not as good. It's the worst O-line, the Eagles have really, like, it's playing the worst of an Eagles O-Line we've seen it in five, six, seven years.

Landon Dickerson was in it out of the game today. I think it's really simple. Landon Dickerson and Lane Johnson kind of got hurt. on the same play in week one. And I don't think they've been the same since on the offensive line in the Eagles. And I don't feel crazy to saying that anymore. They're just not the same team. And I think that a lot of the turtling with the passing game.

And ironically, I actually thought they passed better than people think today. Devante Smith was fixed. Frankly, Jalen hurts that A.J. Brown for, I forget how long the touchdown should have been, 50, 70 yards. Like that ball, it was a little overthrown by Jailen. A.J. Brown did stop. He did. He slowed down.

After the game, he was like, oh, I couldn't see it. He fucking slowed down. He did. But I don't know if it was like he was literally trying to like find the ball. He didn't know where it was and he thought it was maybe short. I don't know. It was. I,

my read on that was like the design, the play design was he was supposed to run like a slant or whatever. And then he just kept going. And then so that was a little bit off script. Maybe I'm wrong. But that was kind of how it felt. Whatever happened, I actually thought the passing game looked better. But I agree. It's just, it's a weird.

And to be clear, and I'm sure Eagles fans are screaming us right now, there's a lot of weird refereeing. Like the refs, there was a lot of, some things Eagles fans got mad at that were fine, some things that were controversial. Overall, though, I think Eagles fans also just know, like, they didn't, the Eagles didn't play that well. And it was strange that, and again, kudos to the Broncos who kind of sucked. Defense was good. And then the offense just went and scored 15 points and then got the field goal. Sean Payton, credit to Sean Payton, who went for two. I know.

I was going to say that was like one of the balliest. decisions that I saw a coach make today that was, you know, basically just trusting your defense. We're going to go for two here and we're going to just go win the game and then not let them score. And that's essentially what they did after like the next seven minutes. Yeah. So Boe Nix hit Evan Ingram for a touchdown with 743 to go, made the score 17 to 16 Eagles. Most coaches would tie the game there and, you know, go whatever, go try and score again later. Broncos went for two.

Knicks threw it to Franklin in the corner. It was a nice play, nice throw. And they took the lead and they never gave it up after that. Nix started out the game not well at all, but then they finished it off really well. Touchdown touchdown. There were a lot of shots that they didn't connect on either in this game, the Broncos early. Bo Nix, there were a lot of things where he was off an inch, he put it into Cortland Sun's hands and they dropped.

There were a lot of almost things in the first quarter. I agree. I don't think Bo Nix has been like particularly sharp to start this season. He kind of comes in and out. Yeah. There's a lot of almost with that passing game. There's a lot of like, oh, but to your point, though, Craig, also about the how

do you think the Eagles could do it. The Broncos were one and 112. So they won one out of 113 games that they trailed by 14 points or more on the road in the fourth quarter. Wow. Now they're two. I mean, look, the Eagles gave up 18 points in the fourth.

I don't know. I felt like there was just weird moments. Like I do believe that the play calling is is not the same for Philly. Like, D.K., I think you were texting about it. Like, there were moments, the offensive line hasn't been good, but there were moments when Hertz

had a ton of time, no one's open. I, that was, I totally agree. He wouldn't throw the ball. It's ironic because on one hand, I don't think the line can run block as well as they can, and they obviously aren't creating the holes for sake one that they were able to.

But the flip side is the pass blocking. When the Broncos didn't get home, there were like three different plays that Jalen Hertz had. He just sat there. Six seconds. Yeah. And I don't know if he couldn't find anyone

or if no one was open, but maybe that is the result. And honestly, sometimes, I don't know. You know, it's, it's, Sunday night, obviously, maybe there'll be an answer if we just went and we can watch the L. 22 later. But like, the may sometimes, honestly, the Eagles passing game when it goes off script, looks like a team that doesn't fucking pass very much. And they look like a team that doesn't, where their receivers are a little maybe,

like maybe AJ Brown's going into and out. That's one of the reasons you say you get your ball, your receivers the ball in the first quarter, so they don't mentally check out. And they did that in this game. They were very, very quick to get A.J. Brown and the ball and Devante, the ball. say the ball, but yeah, it was weird that Jalen Hurts over and over again when he did have immaculate protection, couldn't do anything. So anyway, it's like, I'm sure the Eagles fans are going to be upset.

They're going to be fine. They're obviously still one of the best teams in the league. I just, there's just kind of weird stuff going on. Well, Philadelphia said a brutal weekend. Oh, my God. Penn State, the Phillies. The Penn State thing. Penn State.

What the fuck happened? D.K., are you aware of what happened? The Penn State, UCLA. No, give a, explain it. So, UCLA. So UCLA, I didn't get to watch this game. I just fucking just saw the update and I was like, what? Same.

So I just saw that UCLA who had not, I believe, had not led any game at any point this season. And it's like literally a joke. UCLA is the butt of the college football season. Yes. To the point I didn't even watch this game. They, I mean, they lost like 35 to 10 to New Mexico. I mean, things were so bad. UCLA got the Tennessee quarterback, the guy who left Tennessee.

people had like relatively high hopes for UCLA this year. They've been a disaster. They fired their coach. And now they play Penn State who's coming to L.A. and they kill them. The offensive coordinator is, it's Rick Newheisel's son. It's Jerry New Heisle. First of all, he's like 29.

His name's Jerry. Craig, have you ever met someone our age named Jerry? He's the youngest Jerry I've ever seen. How old is he? I thought it got it backwards, the Jerry Rick thing. How old is he? he's like he looks like 24 yeah he's but he looks like joffrey barathean

and he goes and he and he says after the game also they kicked this shit like they really beat the crap at a Penn State they go up 20 points of Penn State and it's worth it to me because talk about it because Jerry Newheisel says after the game the funniest thing you could admit as a new coordinator he says I had never practiced with the headset I didn't actually know what buttons were what and he's like I kept calling plays and realizing that my mouthpiece was up above my forehead because I'm an assistant and I never talking to it. So I kept calling plays and having to move it down and like we were late.

I'm like, I'll get that cleaned up. I'm like, this motherfucker couldn't even use the buttons and he went up 20 on you. That's insane. That's like when you lose a hand in poker and someone doesn't realize they have like a royal flush. Yes. Yeah, it's exactly.

There's nothing worse. So Penn State. Oh, I guess I lost and you have to actually point out that they won. I have to tell. They're like, you have a fucking... You have a royal flush, Jerry. He's like, I do? He doesn't look very young, though.

He's got this like long blonde hair. He looks like a kid. Penn State dropped from number two in the AP poll to two weeks later. They're now out of the AP top 25, which is the second biggest drop in the history of the poll with the 1959 Sooners.

I mean, they almost beat Oregon, who's the best team in the country last week, probably by like, it was like a very tight game. And then they get their doors blown off by O and 4 UCLA. I just, we can move off. College football second. I just have to tell you some guys' names from the 1959 Oklahoma Sooners.

Please do. Sure. Dick Carpenter. If, man. That's, he knows how to lay the pipe or something. Brewster hobby? Rooster hobby? Brewster hobby?

Brewster. It's even better. Wahoo McDaniel. Wahoo McDaniel? And Johnny French. Man. Oh, these are so good. Yeah.

So anyway, tough weekend. And then the Dodgers beat the Phillies, and the Phillies should have won that. game. Philly's who up three of, yeah, yeah. Through one bad pitch to. I also, now we're just talking of Philly shit, I will say. I'm just, I know I'm obsessed with O'Tonnie, but Otani was third in baseball and homers this year, and Kyle Schwarmer

was second, and Otani struck out Kyle Schwerber. That's fucking crazy. It's just like nothing we've ever seen. It's unbelievable. Anyway, okay, other losers, The Ravens. Jesus Christ. I, dude,

I had had that bad of a time. rooting for a fantasy player for two fantasy players in a long time. Routing for Cooper Rush and Derek Henry, I had to start Cooper Rush because I have Lamar Jackson. What? Did you start Cooper Rush? Craig's entire straight. Well, I'm in mostly super flexly.

I'm in exclusively super flex leagues and I have Lamar Jackson. And like, there are no quarterbacks on the waiver wire. So I had to add fucking Cooper Rush. And I had Brock Purdy, who was also out. So I had to start fucking Cooper Rush. And it was an abject disaster. And Derek Henry as well. Your neck, your neck vein is bold.

Craig. And I had Derek Henry as well, which I honestly think John Harbaugh, like, knew how many people had Derek Henry in fantasy, because they really tried to get him a touchdown. Until like the fourth quarter. It was like a historic. It got him top five, it tied him with Walter Payton. And I'm like, congrats, Derek. You're now down 44 to 10. I know. I couldn't believe it. I'm giving him the ball. Yeah. Like, this was, this was honestly, I mean, this was probably one of the worst games in the history of the Ravens franchise. This is the Ravens lost 44 to 10. They're one and four on the season for the second time in team history.

ESPN's James and Headley had this. The 34-point loss is tied for the second worst margin of defeat and John Harbo's 18-year careers coach. The Ravens defense has allowed 30 points and 300 passing yards, both 30 points and 300 passing yards for the five games this season. And I mean, the Ravens beat Houston on Christmas, embarrassed them 31 to 2. This game was 31 to 3 with 26 minutes left in the game.

Yeah, do you think the guy, the Vegas guy doing the spreads, Do you think this was the first typo in Vegas spread history? Yeah, they're one and a half. It should have been 11 and a half. Yeah. It was one and a half. You're probably right. I genuinely have no,

fuck. And we obviously took the Ravens as a bit in Ringer 107. Didn't pay off. It was a bit because we were like, I don't know. Like it was because we kept going over the inactive's list, which was, again, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Ricard the fullback, Ronnie Stanley in the left tackle, Rook 1 Smith, the linebacker, Marlon Humphrey, a cornerback. Kyle Hamilton is like the best safety in league, Matt at BK.

It's the best thing. active list they've ever seen, $160 million a cap of the Ravens cap was out with injury today. That is 57% of their cap, including seven pro bowlers. And we were like, why the fuck is the line one and a half if there's seven pro bowlers out of this game? So we took it as a bit,

and it turned out it should have been, we should have took 15. The Ravens defense is genuinely and, I mean, it might be, it is probably the worst defense in maybe the Ravens franchise has ever had. I mean, they've allowed the last two games, the Ravens defense is loud nine touchdowns and forced two punts.

I think going forward, we'll have to talk with this all week, but it's like, Derek Henry at halftime, it's six carries for eight yards. Like, do you even play him? No, I think, I don't think you can, I mean, I think they play the Rams next week. Like, I think you could, yeah, like, bench him. It's crazy to bench him, but like, you can if you want. I mean, he had like nine points this week with a touchdown. Yeah.

That's Pacheco shit. So, yeah, this is, I think the Ravens are the, they're one and four. They were supposed to win the super. They're going to be the best team. the Ravens might be the best era like a four or five sheer stretch that didn't win the Super I always think of the Saints that way the late Breeze Saints that were robbed of the Super Bowl

appearance with the past interference that wasn't called those stuff as the best team that didn't make a Super Bowl never mind win one the Ravens this is a crazy way to end this little nucleus it's not over they're coming back baby no it's probably only one more game without Lamar than they have their buy and he'll probably

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Now, the Raiders are ass. The Raiders absolutely suck. They got just the shit kicked out of them today by the Colts, 40 to 6. And I think the most concerning and to me, like the most surprising, obviously, I think a lot of people, it's not that surprising that Geno Smith is turning the ball over, but the level at which he's doing it and absolutely melting down and freaking out on the sidelines throwing his helmet. Just what's the,

what's the expression the Gen Z uses? Like he's crashing out. He's cracking out on the sidelines, hard. P.K. Or Gino, Gino throwing his helmet. Yeah. It's one of those you could do it when you're losing or whatever.

Like, I've seen Gino, like we're getting to the point where that's happening a lot. Yeah. He has nine turnovers this year in five games, which is by far, well, which is most in the NFL.

And most importantly, he keeps turning the ball over in the red zone, which is really just, like obviously very frustrating and backbreaking for this team. It's very interesting because Pete Carroll for the longest time that he was with the Seahawks, like the number one thing is protect the ball. It's all about the ball. It's the literal number one thing in Carroll's program is protect the football.

And Gino Smith leads the NFL in turnovers. So I'm wondering how long this will go and if he will continue to stick with Gino or if there's going to make a change, come up with some fake injury or something like that. Gino has a two-year $75 million extension signed in April. 66 million guaranteed. I don't think he'll get bench, but it's starting to feel kind of like he might, just because of the way he's playing.

They literally can't win when he's turning the ball over like that. So, yeah, tough times. It's obviously, you know, obviously Brock Bowers was out today. He's not been himself all year. It's probably a good thing that he was out because it's like the rest is the only thing that can help his knee and like him just playing at half at 50% every week because of helping him. Well, maybe if you play defense,

the Colts wouldn't have had 40 points. Right. Yeah. My insurance is. They have a bad defense, a bad offensive line. Their quarterback is turning the ball over a ton. And at the end of the day,

a really good running back doesn't make that big of a difference. Unless you're like already a really good team. So things are not great. He set him up for the first field goal. Would have been 43 to 3 without. I mean, I think he looks great. It's just not going to elevate a team that's already really bad.

Now, this has been really sad, to be honest. Craig, yeah. So over? We're so back? It pains me to say this, but it's over for the charges offense. It's over. It took two weeks from when we decided they were no longer the new charge or the old. Yeah, there's no amount of Madison Beer Kisses pregame that can, that can, unless she's going to, unless she's going to play.

There's no amount. Unless she can play fucking left tackle, there's no amount. How tall is she? She's 6-7? 4-11. They lost 27 to 10 to the commanders at home in L.A. It's just, dude, the offensive line, this was the offensive line in August. I'm going to read you the five players.

Joe Alte, Mackay Beckett, Bradley Bozeman, Zion Johnson, Roshan Slater. The fuckers that they were playing with today. Like four first rounders. Yeah. I don't even, I don't know who these people are. Here are the players playing today. Austin DeCoulis. Foster Sorrell

The coldest Jammerie Salier Are you kidding me? I guess I mean like They replaced Joe Alt with Trey Pipkins And then he got hurt So we're like we are at the we're just like The drags of the offensive line

You know one of those guys Grandfather was on the 59 Sooners Was that Wahoo? Is his grandpa Wahoo? Yeah man They Like literally Chargers shit started to happen again You know

It was like Lad McConkey returns a punt for a touchdown. They ran into the punter. It's a 10-point swing because they would have scored, but instead the commanders marched down and get a field goal. So instead of 17 to 7. The next play was Luke McCaffrey, 50-yard pass. Yeah. It should have been a punt return touchdown.

So instead of 17 to 7 at half, it was 10 to 10. Omerian Hampton hurt his ankle. He's in a boot. Herbert tipped interception in the red zone. There's penalties all over the place. It was his first red zone interception in a really long time. He's got more interceptions this year already than he had all last year. He had three interceptions last year. He's already got four this year.

And yeah, like they're getting penalized left and right, which is definitely just because there's all these new players trying to mesh. They have 24 penalties in their last two games, which is the most ever by a Jim Harbaugh coach team. Did you get that staff from Chris Riemu, who fouls the shit out of you in the L.A. basketball leagues you play. Yeah, he deserves a penalty as well for what he does. You need more flags.

Yeah. For those who don't know, we met him at the combine, and I introduced you, and you just looked at each other, and you were like, Do we play basketball? You play basketball? You play basketball. Yeah.

Like you got out. my shorts the entire game. You were like, did you follow the shit? He's like, oh yeah, most definitely. Yeah. Oh my God. Anyway, yeah, this is tough. This is brutal.

It's old charges again where it's like Herbert's going to get the shit kicked out of him. I'm already going to get hurt. The offensive line's terrible. Chris Ream also in the article he wrote, LA, the charges are the first team to record a pass block win rate of under 40% in consecutive game since 2023. It's just fucking mess. It's a mess.

I think this is a good example and good reminder. the Ravens and the Eagles offensive line too kind of reinforce this. But we always, it's such a cliche. I know that we just, it's obvious, but the best teams at the end of the year are the healthiest teams. It's like almost without exception. It's so crazy. In real life and in fantasy half the time.

Totally. Yes. I do. I'm not a lie. I'm crushing in the ring of fantasy league. And it's, I would love to be like it's because I'm a genius. I'm like,

my team's got healthy right now. Because no one's gotten hurt. And we'll see if it lasts. Probably not. Like it's just crazy how much injuries impact the NFL. season. I know that's like a very obvious statement, but I just want to like reiterate it because it is no, you're right.

It was the church's fault. They built the line out of like the Ravens. Right. Like don't do that. We're so back, D.K., who's back? Darren Waller? Darren Waller actually looks good. He was out there making

plays like catching passes down the seam, catching the really good touchdowns. He had two more touchdowns today. Darren Waller has Did he have two or one? He had two the first game He had two and 16 snaps

Yeah and then he had one another one today Immediately And he actually looks good to me Like when he's out there He's beating linebackers down the seam Making you know Just like finding this off spot in the zone He's actually making a big impact in there

In the Dolphins offense And so I don't know man It's just crazy because Waller was out of the league He was making music videos and stuff And now And then of course like Good ones, too. Great ones.

When the water hit him in the face, had no idea he was alive. He signed with the dolphins and immediately got hurt. And everyone was like, okay, this again. No, he was traded to the dolphins. The Giants traded his retired ass rights to the dolphins. He retired basically because what, because Kelsey Plum divorced him, right?

He had a tough time. They broke, they got divorced. And then he had the music video with the Kelsey Plum stand in. And then quit on the Giants. Yeah. And then I got to tell you. I forgot he was on the Giants. The legendary preseason

Darren Waller. And then you know what? He looks like we thought he would look. I got to tell you looks better in this last two games. Those 50 snaps from Miami than he ever did on the Giants. Because he's healthy now. I have never. I can't think.

I'm not saying this has never happened, but I can't think of examples. And I'm curious if you guys are emails, then if there are examples. who else has come out of retirement? And I mean real retirement. Not like you thought about it over the summer and changed your... Like Brady didn't really retire because he didn't miss any games.

Who has sat out a season and then come back and just immediately was looked like the best player on the team? Like he looks like the best receiver on the team. Good question. How is that possible? And why didn't he play like this in New York? Because he was hurt probably. What?

God, I just. just, I can't believe, whatever. Giants could use him. That's fine. That's all I'm saying. It'd be cool. The Giants had him. Also, yeah, Giants, he had one touchdown on the Giants. He has three touchdowns for Miami. He's played 48 snaps. It's fine. I'm over.

The other, it's so over, we're so back. I think this one, it really fits the spirit of the category. It was so over for people who had Jordan Addison on their fantasy team. I don't know, whatever time you're in, Jordan Addison in the London game, Vikings Browns, whenever you woke up, Jordan Addison shadow benched, just benched for the first quarter,

didn't really come out. Like, you probably had no idea about this when your lineup was in. Jordan Addison doesn't play. So you're like, you're crushed. He's like 29 yards in the game. People are upset. Guess what?

Jordan Addison caught the game winning touchdown 25 seconds left in the Vikings won 2170. It was like the most, it's so over, we're so back of the whole day I could remember from literally being benched and not playing because he went like AWOL on a team walk through.

He didn't. He just didn't show up for the walkthrough. And then just, like, won the game. He's had a busy two weeks. Getting chased down by Peyton Wilson in Ireland. Making up for the three weeks he missed. I love that you get suspended for three weeks or something you did in the offseason. And then, like, you go to London one time.

And you're like, yeah, I'm not going to go to practice. It's fine. Anyway. All right. Let's get to America's favorite segment here, Ford of Shart. Yeah. Where again, because D.K. always seems to be a little confused,

a fart is something that give it a little bit of time and it will pass. Or shart, something that needs to be done. I feel like, doesn't it feel like the category fart or shart, the segment? It deserves like a late 90s, early 2000s,

cheesy radio intro. Like, fart or shard. It's like, you know what I mean? That's what would have. It was like 2002. You know, two fucking losers who have a radio show.

They're like, up next. Fart or shard. It's like, you, you, you. Well, someone make us that and said it. Yeah. If you make us that and sit at, we will play it. We will play it on the show for like years to come. If you make that first.

Fart or shart. Email is for your fantasy football atchetingil.com. Not fart noises, though. Oh, come on. No. Old school radio would 100% have like the wetest, nastiest. Do we want that? We'll see.

We'll have one with and with, yeah, make it. We'll see. All right, D.K. Oh, God. Aaron Glenn as a coach, like just Jets coach Aaron Glenn. Jets lost to the Cowboys today by 15 points, 37, 22. This was not a 15 point loss. The Jets were losing 30 to 6.

The Jets were down 23 to 3 at halftime. This was a blowout. And frankly, 12 of the. the 20 quarters the Jets have played, they have been just blowed out for basically almost more than half the quarters they played. They just been destroyed. Aaron Glenn's,

the first Jets coach to ever start 0 and 5 in his first season as a coach. That feels impossible. Yeah. How is it? Yeah. And yet he's the first coach to ever start his Jets career. Oh and 5 as a coach. D.K. Aaron Glenn era of New York Jets

feels like the veneer, the shine has already come off. Do you think that this is a fart for the Aaron Glenn? era, or do you think this is a shart for the Aaron Glenn era? How is the Fian not stolen this yet? I don't know. The Jets are just a shart. That's it. The Jets are a shart. It has nothing

to do with the coach. There could be, there could, there's no coach that could fix this. It's not even underwear. Like when you're the coach, there's just right into the denim. The pile of shit in Jurassic Park. You know, she goes like elbow deep on that giant dinosaur, you know?

I actually think I'm not, I'm not ready to panic just yet. which I know sounds crazy. I think what's nice for Jets fans is that the bars on the floor. Oh, they love that. Yeah, they're so excited about what's great. To them. Jet fans listening are like, yeah, that is nice.

They're so happy about that. They're used to this. Right? This is the way they live. This is every year. Right. They were born in it. Yeah.

I think culture takes time. Born in the darkness. I think culture takes time. Dan Campbell started 0 and 8 with the Lions. I think if you look at Glenn's ability, Aaron Glenn's ability to like galvanize the team. It seems like the team is happier, which is like despite being 0 and 5, like they feel like a unit that enjoys being together.

It feels like they like Aaron Glenn. I think Aaron Glenn has good vibes. And I think their OC, Tanner Engstrand, who came from Detroit as well, I also think it's kind of doing some good things. I think despite them being 0 and 5, if you actually, like, there are moments where there's like wide open guys and you see like glimpses of like the lion's offense showing up here and there. They're just doing it with the roster they have it,

with Justin Fields and with the offensive line and stuff like that. Shil Kapadia had a tweet today, our colleague at the ringer. The Jets' offense had 19 plays of 10 plus yards today, which is the most of any team in week five. No other team this season has produced that many and lost. I'm sure, I know you're going to say it's all garbage times.

Yeah, I'm going to throw shield under the fucking bus. That is, did he sort of garbage time? If you look at the entire season, the Jets are still top seven in big plays. Did he throw out garbage time or not? Because I got to tell, if you just look at fantasy points, I don't have that in front of me, fantasy points. first half,

Justin Fields is 28th in points per game among quarterbacks. In the second half, he's second. So, like, yeah, they're getting all these explosive plays when they're down 20, 27, 17, like, they have no offense when the game is competitive. Season long, not just... Dallas.

Yeah, I understand. Season long, not just today, they are like top seven and plays of 10 plus 20 plus yards. I'm saying if I, when I watch them, there are moments where, like, their plays look good and work. That's fair. It's hard to argue your point when you're like,

Dan Campbell started O&A. And I'm like, yeah, that's a good point. And like they drafted well, to your point, I will say for today's performance, and you're right, like maybe going forward they can fix it. I will say he looked a little defeated today, Aaron Glenn. I mean, he was like, they fumbled three times to blow Monday football. And he was at practice all week with a boxing glove trying to punch the ball out.

And then Briseau got the ball punched out anyway, which is a little bit like, now the tuxedo seemed fucked up. The defense is the thing. You're a defensive head coach. The defense allowed two touchdowns in the final 60 seconds of halftime versus Dallas. That wasn't great. The next-gen stats, I couldn't believe this. Next-gen stats had the Jets with 13 missed tackles today.

In the first half, I didn't know you could have 13 missed tackles in one half. That's a lot for a game. The defense, this one's, and there's a little bit of luck to this, however, appropriate for the Jets. the NFL has tracked turnovers since 1933. Since 1933, the Jets are the first team in the history of the NFL

to start their first five games without one turnover on defense. Wow. That has never happened before in the history of the NFL recording turnovers. Yeah. I mean, they're also... He's a defensive coach.

It's been five games. I know it's been five games. And it's a small sample in turnovers at random. Having said that, it's never fucking happened before. No, I know, but it's like it's hard to just step in. He walked into the Jets, which is like one of the most fucked up franchises in NFL history, and he's 0 and 5.

Dan Campbell walked into the lines, went 3 and 13 his first season. It's like, all right. Yeah. His Justin Fields is his quarterback. If you're looking at some of their games too, like they probably should have beaten the Steelers in one one. They should have. They should have probably beaten the Buccaneers two weeks ago or they got close to beating the bucks. It's not like they're just a total abject disaster every week.

I agree. I know it's so funny. being too harsh. Well, I'm asking a question here. You're saying it's a fart. I'm saying it's like a fart for the Aaron Glenn era, which is how you phrased it's how I'm asking. No, I think it's a fart.

I do not think it's over. The Jets, and I would say Woody Johnson, were too proud to look into Darnold. And Aaron Glenn wanted, I think, Fields because they played against the division. I got to tell you, it's an interesting thought experiment. It wouldn't have worked. You can't bring them back. You would not have gone back. You would not have gone back.

But fucking, like, it's funny to think about football macho culture and be like, wait, you can't bring them back. But it's like having one two games. No, no, no, no. You can't do it. It's like having the messiest breakup of all time and then trying to get back together. You can't do it. You got to start fresh. You got to do something new.

Justin Fields isn't the answer, but I don't think you can bring Donald back. You're probably right for human nature, but it's funny to think that the truth is we'd rather be O and Five than actually darn. Like, I'm just saying. Well, I don't think they knew they'd be O in five. So I don't know if they would choose that now. Anyway. All right. I'm going to spare Mike McDaniel in this because we're kind of like running a little

long here. I mean, dolphins plus 17 and nothing lead to Carolina. And like, should we do this now or should we wait to him to get fired tomorrow? Do you think he's getting fired? No, but like maybe.

They were 17 to nothing on Carolina. They lost. Like, what else is there? They got Rico Dowdled. Dude, Rico Dowdell. Rico went off. Uncle Rico. Yeah, you look good because, of course, sure, why not?

What's the point? Why try? When Rico, Dad will have 206 yards in a game. Why try? We're going to get into something special here. That's right. It's time for a brand new segment called Who's Cooking this week? Who's cooking? Who's cooking?

Brought to you by our friends at IKEA. Who's cooking? What is that? Now, IKEA is where to go when you want to cook up your dream kitchen. But today, we're talking about who is after. absolutely cooking and fantasy football, starting with Uncle Rico, who really did throw it over the mountains today. Man it over the mountains.

My boy, Rieke. My boy RICO Dowdell, one of the greatest running back names of all time. Chuba Howard was out, another great running back name. Is it one of the best running back names all time? Well, good is relative. It's just one Dika can remember.

Rico had 23 rushes for 206 yards and a touchdown. He had 28 receiving. yards. 234 scrimmage yards is most by any player this year. Yeah. More than like Sequin, more than a freaking Christian. 206 yards is probably going to be the most yards anybody rushes for this year. Yeah, you're probably right.

So obviously an amazing game. A bunch of explosive runs. I'm going to be curious to see if they go back to Chuba all the time, kind of like when Chuba gets back, because Rika looked amazing out there. So I just wanted to shout him out. I don't have any big takeaways other than the Dolphins and Run defense sucks. and Rico look good. The positive version of Fartar Shart,

would you say this is like a long-term thing for Rico Dattle or just kind of a one-time situation? No, I think he'll have 200 yards like five, six, seven more times. Yeah, how you do? I think he earned... How long till his next 200 and six rushing yards? He earned more playing time once Chuba gets back.

I don't think they're going to like Wallypibba and just go right to RICO. Like, why not? Why not? Why not? Because Chuba's good, too. Will he be on the waiver wire again? They can fan it? Oh, that's such a great question.

Let me, let me, to Craig's point. Yes. Shout out to Bill Barnwell. Bill Barnwell posted this. The 200 rush yard game club is, it's just half like some of the best running backs you've ever seen. And half just Peek remembers some guys. Who is the gray guy?

Jonas Gray. Jonas Gray. Oh, yeah. He's the one who is charging his phone for an alarm. And the thing kind of came out of the socket a little and his phone died overnight. Missed the practice or whatever. Missed the practice. They cut him.

while he was on the cover of I got cut Isaiah Crowell Thomas Rawls Hell yeah Thomas Rawls Seattle Beanie Wells Jerome Harrison and somehow

this just blew my mind JAA I did 200 yards three times Really? I have no memory of that happening three times He had moments before all the ligaments His knees disintegrated

I think he was a dolphin I did not realize anyone in our life other than like Adrian Peterson and like Chris Johnson and Derek Henry had hit 200 yards three times. I never would have guessed

Jerry J. I literally thought that was Derek Henry and Agent Peterson. Beanie Wells? Yeah. Had 200 yards in a game? I couldn't. I know. I was blown away. So anyway, that's a real question. Maybe Dr.icodado gets cut in four weeks, but probably not. But not by the Panthers, by the fantasy team. But yeah, Rico Dattle is amazing.

Craig, who else is cooking? Quintzhan Jenkins is cooking. He is cooking. The running back for the Browns. he's fifth in the NFL in rushing yards per game. He had 100 yards, he had 110 yards rushing today. First Browns running back with a hundred yard rushing game since week 10 of 2023. Wow. Like he just, I mean, the guy didn't, he wasn't around the entire offseason just showed up and is fantastic.

And immediately looks like like a long-term solution for the Browns at running back. He absolutely looks better than his counterpart of Ohio State, Trayvon Henderson. He looks awesome. I saw somebody online joke that he looks like if Isaiah Pacheco had vision because they kind of run the same. Fian eyes. Like really quick feet. Yeah, kind of like high knees stomping, you know, pay the gate. You know, maybe between Judkins just immediately being the best player on the Brown's offense and Jordan Addison winning the game without going to the walkthrough.

Maybe practice is just super over here. We don't need it. Practice is like practice in time. Yeah. No, Judkins has been. Very, very, very. And in fantasy. I mean, he's had 16, 19, 13, 13, the last.

three weeks. Like doing that on the Browns who are never winning. Like the Browns are one and four. They have like, they spend the six most time trailing this year. Like it's hard to do that when you're never winning. No, he's been really impressive every time he touches the ball. TK., who else is cooking? You want it who's cooking?

Jake Ferguson. Yeah, your guy. Jake, Jake Ferguson is absolutely cooking this year. Seven more catches today. 49 yards and two touchdowns. He is now up to 41 catches on the season, 272 yards and three scores. Number one, he is tied for most receptions by a tight end

in their team's first five games in the season ever. What is that? Say that one again. Most receptions by a tight end in the first five games of the year ever. That seems impossible. He's the tight end won by a lot in total points. And he's on pace for 139 catches.

The NFL record for most catches in a season by a tight end is Zach Hurst with 116. Jake Ferguson is like what I remember tight end as when I was growing up. Yeah. It was just like Heath Miller's running around. Like I'm just like it's just like a kind of a big burly white dude who's like, who seems okay. Like a former basketball player.

Yeah, but like the quarterback, he's like the second option on the team and the quarterback just throws him all the time and he's always open to the end zone. Jake Ferguson's just kind of chugging along to eight catches a game. Yeah. That's incredible. The other, it's not just him though. Giovante Williams is also good. He's having a great resurgence.

Giovante Williams, Dallas, man. Dallas was, like the, so fun fact. Javante Williams had 17 touches, 140 yards to touch since today. The top fantasy running backs in the season are Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey, and Javante Williams. Those are the top of the one of the more surprising fantasy storylines. He's by far, I mean, all three of those guys are in my ringer team, but it's fine. But one of the most, one of the best values in fantasy, clearly.

He's second in rushing yards and second in rushing touchdowns. Javonte Williams. Are you selling high? Well, it was funny because I remember the opening game of the season, the Eagles Cowboys game. He had two touchdowns, but on like 50 rushing yards. And I remember everybody was like, this is the most clear sell high. Get rid of him now.

Turns out that was the lowest rushing total he's had all season. And he's just been better every single week. He just looks better. He looks like he's back. Again, this is, he's. the Chase Brown of the season where he's getting 75 whatever percent of the snaps and carries and touches

and they are the absolute perfect situation for fantasy points where their defense stinks and their offense is really good led by a really good quarterback. And what we're now learning we'll tattoo this on our bodies it's not the year after the year after

it's year after the year after the year after yeah because he got hurt in his 22 and our mistake was buying in his 24 it's like he's 25. That's the rule. You're after the year after the year after. Which also makes sense considering, you know, this is just incredible this year is J.K. Dobbins,

who had what was a career threatening injury five years ago. Right. So like Malik Neighbors, we'll draft Malik Neighbors, 2028. That'll be good. Can we start doing in fantasy, like a whole series or an episode every off season where it's just a flow chart?

And it says, are they healthy? Yes, no. And if it's yes, you draft them and if not don't. I'm confused. Is Javante Williams? Does he count as healthy or not healthy? Now he's healthy.

Okay. But how do we know that before? But doesn't that contradict or like don't take a guy after tearing a ligament? Like Stefan Diggs this year. Like was he healthy or not healthy? No. Not healthy. No.

Right. Well, this isn't a perfect rubric, I guess. Here's the deal. What if we knew ahead of time who would be healthy all year? Now that's, now that's interesting. That would be helpful. Do you think they're going to be healthy?

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quickly shout out just the Colts. I know we talked with the Raiders, but I just want to shout out the Colts had won this game 40 to 6. Wagon. We're talking about that. John Taylor's an absolute wagon. I just want to say 40 to 6. They did it in two quarters.

Colts were, they benched their players to the fourth. They didn't have the ball. they went three and out in their first drive. The Raiders said like an 11-minute drive. So they just kind of got the ball in the second quarter. They went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, and they benched everyone.

They're going to win a zero ball. I'm just going to call it. Who cares? Let's just say it. John Taylor had an octopus, which I, that's like an uncomfortable term. I don't know if I love it, but there were two today. John Taylor gets the touchdown and the extra in the two-point conversion.

Daniel Jones, I'm looking around. I'm like, honestly, I'm not like mad. I'm happy for him. I'm like, you know what? He was never going to, do this in the archive. You can just stop thinking about it.

I just stop wondering. It's, it's, it's, he looks for Vaya. He loves something. Sometimes you have to let it go. He's cooking. I do. I'm honestly, I'm actually happy for him. I'm at every form.

I'm ready for the cults. Me too, America's team. Intrusive thoughts. I want to, speaking of the cults though, intrusive thoughts, once again, I'm like the Bernie Sanders mean. I am once again asking you, why can't the punters kick

and the kickers punt. I don't understand this. I know that you think that there's probably a complicated answer, but it's really just because they're stupid. They should absolutely be able to kick. Because they don't. That's the answer. Because this is the way we do things. They absolutely should be able to kick. And they probably can kick. They should just spend some time every practice instead of standing around and kicking a few punts practicing field goals too. Think about that.

You could do two different things. This was the perfect game for Colts Raiders. The Raiders punter got hurt and the Colts kicker got hurt. Spent Schrader, who was having a good season for the Colts and he got hurt. So the Colts just went for two every time. It's an extra point. It's 33 yards. And I'm serious.

I'm pretty sure I can kick an extra point. I think so too. NFL punter. Yeah, we should try it. NFL punters can't make a 33-yard field goal. Dude, Pat McAfee has these kids on game day. every week kick like a 30-yard field goal for $50,000

and some of them make it. How the funters, have you been to an NFL practice? If you have not, if you're listening to this, you have been in NFL practice. The kickers and punters don't do shit. They're off to the side. Trying to fill time. Doing their thing.

They do shit out of a bag of balls out there. They got like a net. Massaging those K balls all day. Dude, they spend 20 minutes a day. You don't even have to do it at practice. Do it after practice. guys hit the jugs machine. Just fucking practice kicking it into a field goal.

It's all I ask. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com if you could explain why the fuck the punters can't make a goddamn extra point. What do they do all day? You think they'd be bored? This is all rhetorical. They absolutely should be able to do it.

There's no excuses. DK, we played like a champion. We texted each other another intrusive thought at the same time that the Bengals need to like get another quarterback. Right. We basically, it was like crossed in the,

or whatever. We both were like, they need to trade for James Winston. There's a lot of people talking about trading for Russell Wilson. Why don't they trade for James Winston? Yeah, get him. He'd be way better. He'd be way more fun anyway.

I know the Bengals could move the ball when the Lions lost other cornerbacks. And like, but literally the Bengals at one point were down 28 to 3 to the Lions. They ended up, the Lions won 37 to 24, but it was literally 28 to 3. And the Lions had to lose two or three quarterbacks to get to for the Bengals to be able to do anything with Jimor Chase.

Derek Carr is like fake retired Like they should just do the Darren Wall There's your answer right When was last time a guy retired Came back But he's saying he's fake retired Right He's gonna he's gonna come back

And like the Bengals should just trade for Derek Carr I actually don't think What would it take to get car right now? A sixth? The fit? Nothing like that. I don't know I'm making it up But I'm like he's expensive enough

Like I think it depends on the salary And what he agrees with It depends on the salary and who takes work. But I'm like, I actually think the Bengals did a quarterback. This kid is funny. Derek Carr on the Bengals, though, like I can just already imagine him just getting the shit kicked out of him

and then throwing it away on fourth down. Like, you just know not the best fit, but yeah, it's better than Jake Browning. They didn't do something. It's so weird because Browding was really pretty competent as a backup. Yes. You know, in the past. And, man, just not happening.

Since he made the country. Since he made the cup at the Super Bowl on our show, since he played beer pong with us, he's been terrible. It's been horrific. Yeah. Sorry, I had a ton of intrusive thoughts that I have to ask you guys one more. Let's get it. So if they banned the tush push next year,

like, do the Eagles like me, Jalen Hertz? Oh. Well, you're going to get some hate mail, pal. It was an intrusive thought. I'm not saying that's right. I'm saying it occurred to me. Okay. That's all.

I think he's still very good at a lot of other things besides the Bush Bush. Why? Because he's like 18 and 1 in the last 19 games he finished, including winning the Super Bowl. Is that way? Yeah. I'm going to reserve my thoughts. I need some more data into my model. It was an intrusive thought.

It was that's all. I also think my other intrusive thought was Thursday in football. If the Niners had just taken Mack Jones and not traded up for Tray Lance, they would have won both Super Bowls they made. Right, because they would have had three more. first round picks. Yes. And oh, I'm dead. Yeah, they had Mac Jones. Yeah. Who would have played like Purdy the whole time, but with more first rounders. I think.

That Thursday. Also, they could have not traded up. They could have just taken him where they originally were, I think. Yeah. He went 15 to the Patriots. The Niners could have just had Mac Jones and not traded two first to go back. Trilands. They would have won. Man, Mac Jones, he was dry heaving on the sideline because he was in so much pain. He was battling out there. I got to say, he earned a lot of, like, Niners fans love after that game. All my friends from the Bay, my dad was like, they're in love with Mac Jones now who just got the absolute kiss kicked out of them.

It's like the Woody, like, you know, for Toy Story, they're dropping Woody into the garbage. It's not that they're in love, they don't like Purdy or anything like that. They're just like Mac Jones is our fucking guy. McCorkle is our guy. McCorkle. Mike, Michael McCorkel Jones.

It also can't be stressed enough that Darnold before the Vikings thing just spent a year in San Francisco. Yeah. Like, Shannon can do this with anybody. Yeah, it is kind of wild Also, the Mac Jones jacket will now live on

in our memories forever as an iconic pregame attire. He wore the half the half black, half red suit jacket. He also said he saw a dead body from his hotel in Marina del Rey that morning. And it was Park Purdy. I thought that story was fake. I thought it was too.

I got to tell you guys, I saw it happened to me the first time I saw a video today that was that was fake. I thought it was You got tricked? I got tricked. I don't believe anything anymore. It was an alligator walking up to a kid. It was a door. It was a ring doorbell camera video.

And it was an alligator walking up to a kid, a three old kid. And a mom grabs it. Like the kid, the kid and like, hauls it inside. Was the alligator walking on two feet? No, it just looked normal. And I thought it was real. And then it was AI. I don't know.

I don't know why, like, I guess, I don't know what else you would call it. But when he said an alligator walked up, I thought he met on two feet. Well, that's because when they're in the water on the little. head. It's like that actually is on two feet. My first thought was like some Disney movie. I was like, oh no, Hyvitz got to try and an alligator walking on two feet. What's going on? What was I supposed to say?

Do alligators walk? Do alligators walk? I guess they do. They have four feet and they walk. Was he smoking a cigarette? Is he wearing clothes? He walked up to the door. Got my damn eye.

I'm like, what? Got his damn eye though. Anyway, uh, play of the day of the day. day. I can't remember the last time one game literally just was decided by the play of the day and the worst play of the day, but Cardinals Titans really fit the bill. I think it was more. There was like three or four worst and bests of that game. Can we draft them? Okay. My first pick is Kyler Murray taking a snap directly into the face. Oh my God. And then leaving to go into the medical tent. What the fuck was that?

I'm so glad you brought this up. So the tights won 22-21. No, they were. What did he go to the locker room for? He had a foot injury, but it was horrible timing. He jogged. He jogged to the fucking locker room. Horrible time. I don't know. Everybody thought, everybody was saying he was getting evaluated for a concussion. The ball hit him in the face. His head snapped back. It did. What are you, what are we talking about? Yeah. That was unbelievable. Well, for every other quarterback, that's a

his chest so the center was confused it's tough I'll get the second pick it's generous Craig it's more like in their you know fucking crotch or something well Dika you get the second pick here what do you want to draft place? I'm obviously taking

I guess it's not that obvious I'm gonna take demarcato oh wow okay I just sometimes I just don't get it I just don't understand I don't you would think explain what happened for the people who blessed

to not see this play he was he ran he had the 76 yard like jailbreak touchdown all by himself a running back stream it would have ended the game didn't i didn't like anything about this run because number one he started slowing down when he was at like the 20 yard line i know it was got crazy early that was strike also you are a you are a backups backup fucking sprint like forest gum through the locker room like don't stop running yeah run it would have put the game at 28 to 10 or something. Judy.

Who are you doing? Slowing down is a third stringer's out of control. Forrest Gump through the tunnel. Okay. So that was what pissed me off first. And then he fucking dropped the ball before he crossed the goal line. He flipped it. I cannot believe how often this happens in the NFL.

It's like once every other week. Yeah. It happens way too much. You would have thought one time in the 1980s, somebody did this. And then every other player for the rest of time was like, God, I don't ever want look that fucking stupid that can you imagine doing that the worst thing of all time and then he then it just happens

at least like two or three times it happened one week ago. Jonathan Taylor did it last year who did it last week? 80 Mitchell did it. After even though John Taylor did it on the Colts last year and 80 Mitchell was on the fucking team. Not that I'm defending 80 Mitchell for that his was a little different. His was more like

where you're holding yourself on it all of a sudden you just throw it. That was Jackson Dark today Jackson Dart was just running and then saw a defendant was like whoa and then he just This was different because it was showboating. Yeah. And so people brought us something because I was, He did like the finger roll.

Yeah. You're so right though that I didn't even know I felt this way, but you're so right. He slowed down so I really, I don't, I really had, I really had think he had, there was a defender, trailing him. Yeah. He had no idea that guy was there. Yeah. And the irony is.

He almost did the BB thing or whatever. That guy almost forced the fumble too. If he had been one step slower, that guy was going to get him because he didn't know he's there. I just think that it's the. dumbest play in football. I hate it so much. It fucking drives me insane that this happens so often. And Craig, I think me and you were talking about this in Ireland.

I can't remember exactly what the context was. We were like, if we had our own team, we would have a rule that you have to, every time you score a touchdown, you have to take the ball and hand it to the coach. Because you have to just run through the end zone. We're never ever fucking doing this. That's rule number one on our team is we're never letting go the football before we get to the end of mind. Yeah, it's like Denzel talking to Petey and remember the Titans. How many feet are in a mile?

5,280. If you score a fucking touchdown, you don't spike it. You don't celebrate. You run directly to me and hand me the ball. Give me the ball. It is, it literally never gets old. It drives me insane. It's the stupidest play in sports imaginable.

God. Not only did that happen. First of all, people, sorry to interrupt you, Hyfitz. No, keep going. The other thing I want to point out here, maybe I've done this in the past. I can't even remember because I've gone off on this so many times. it doesn't even look cool when you drop the ball before like when you're going into the end

I know it's such a good point. It's a no win situation. It's a no win situation. I know. You don't look cool when you drop the ball like that. No. I'm sorry. I incorporate the ball into your celebration.

Yeah. You know? That's a great point. It's like you shouldn't smoke cigarettes. But it does look cool. Dropping the ball. It looks super lame. It's like those boring as fucks.

You know, what? It was heavy. Yeah. It's like smoking a vase. It's like, yeah, it looks heavy. Those giant vapes.

It's like you're holding like a TV remote from 2005 up to your face. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Hold on. So, sorry, one last thing to add context to this. If you would have not let go of the football, the Cardinals would have been leading 28 to 6. Oh, yeah. With 12 minutes in the fourth quarter and they lost the fucking game. And so after this, the Titans go down and score.

Wait, wait, wait, I have one more note on this. If you're going to do it, let's say, let's say it's like we're past that and you're going to do it. The new generation thinks it's cool, actually. Yeah. Drop it behind you. Don't drop it forward. Don't touch back it. Drop it behind you.

So at least if the defense gets it, they're on the one yard line or something like that. Don't throw it forward. Don't do that. Throw it behind you. Maybe your own teammate can pick it up. I just like, wouldn't you just think you'd want to cross the end zone? Like, I just, I don't know how that's not on your mind.

I don't know. Just the stupidest fucking playing sports. I just hate it. It totally. It immediately changed the game. Just keep carrying the ball. It's the simplest thing imaginable. Just don't drop the ball.

It is definitely not the craziest thing that happened in this game. Well, that's the thing. So the Titans go down and score a touchdown. Maybe the maddest. So the Titans go down and score a touchdown. And then the Cardo's punt. And the Titans have, Jackie was like, I made a sound.

Jackie's like, what happened? And I was like, something I have never seen at any level of football just happened. And the Cam Ward rolls left. and throws a pass that is batted up by one of the five defensive linemen that was in front of him. And the ball is intercepted. And then the guy kind of just falls with the ball. And then in the process of falling drops the interception, but clearly caught it. And then drops it.

And then all the defenders kind of yakety sacs scrambled to get the ball. Somebody kicked it. It's like the phone. Dropped up. Kick. Oh, no. My phone. And then it's like in the, and then Tyler Lockett.

and then Tyler Lockett falls on it and the Titans score a fucking touchdown on a ball that literally in the books was intercepted and they fumbled without anyone on the Titans touching them. Like I, there were, that has happened at times. There's a famous Chargers Patriots game from like 20 years ago

that in the playoffs where Marlon McCree got a ball and then Troy Brown punched the ball free. This motherfucker fumbled an interception without being touched, which just probably never happened before. And the Titans scored on the play. Then they got the ball back at Cam Wardlet of And the Titans won the game.

Yeah, that brought them within two. That was the craziest play ever. I know that it doesn't actually make any sense to advocate for this. But like, anytime I see a defender make a play and like intercept a ball, I'm always like, please just go down. Stop running. You're just going to do something stupid. It's ironic because that's what Tyler Lockett does.

He just kept telling us. Tyler, I got to say, I'm very happy the Titans won. Like, I'm happy for them. I'm happy for Cam Ward. I, like all of those plays that we just outlined Amari D. Mercado's fumble fucking Kyler Murray taken to the face. Like all of, I don't think I've seen a luckier win in my

life. Like I got to be honest. I think that was the luckiest win I've ever seen. One in a million might not be enough. Think about all three of those things happening in your favor. Right. What were the odds? That would be one in a billion. It's like a guy, a 75-yard touchdown run. He throws into the end zone.

A pick gets fumbled into the end zone that you recover for a touchdown. And then the quarterback in the other team takes a snap to the face. gets hurt and then your team recovers it. You know that movie Angels in the Outfield? They're like Angels in the End Zone. It really was like divine intervention.

Yeah. Wanted the Cardinals to lose that game. You're right. That probably is the luckiest win I've ever seen. Schifter was tweeting out the postgame speech by Brian Callahan. I didn't watch it, but now I really want to. Because what do you even say in that situation? Don't give it like.

Fucking hell, man, we won. Hell yeah. I think we need to be like the like the foremost experts or like the postgame speech. crew because like we need to do commentary on those because I think a lot of coaches aren't that good at it. Yeah. And the ones who are really stand out, like, like Dan Campbell crushes. Dan Campbell like makes me wish I had played football. Totally. Like Tomlin's fantastic. But there are other ones where I remember it was like when like Brandon Staley would win a game and you'd see those and it was like, ooh, it's not working and this feels forced. I want to create like a power ranking

who's the best out of it. We should have like a whole database. I think isn't Andy Reid pretty good at it? I feel like I remember people people just like Andy Reid I think they just win a lot Yeah Even Harbaugh Jim Harbaugh The other day when they beat a I don't know if it was like the Chiefs win Some win

It's almost like what he says is not great But how he says it is awesome Because it's Jim Harbaugh That's like no exactly Dude there's a famous picture It's kind of bad There's a famous picture from like the peak Pete Carroll era in Seattle

Where he's like standing on top of the lockers Like screaming at the team and like a post-game thing. It's so fucking great. That's a good idea, Craig. Let's make a database. I just think we need to, I just. Campbell's on another level.

Yeah, he is. He's probably top dog right now. He's going to take a hunk out of you. Any other worst plays of the day? Yeah. I actually really want to highlight what Craig said. That was, when we do,

if we do the watchables at the end of the season, and we're talking about what was the craziest plays of the year, there's a chance that the card. those two plays were both the top two entries. And they were in the same second half. Like the Demercato tossing the ball and that Cam Ward thing were probably the two craziest things

we'll see all year. And they happen back to back drives. Put it together. One of the odds of those two plays happening together. It's just... Astronomical. That is the right word. Any other plays you wanted to mention? Mark Andrews dropped a pass for about 10 yards today that ended up being at interception.

It looked like he was hurling. He's not allowed to hold it. It's no longer funny to me. I just feel bad at this point. It was a low throw. It was off the mark, all right? Okay, that's funny. It threw off his balance.

You know, sometimes. I don't want to pile on with the Ravens right now. I feel bad, yeah. That's the worst part of being a fan, by the way. That was when I realized the Giants were awful. was when people stopped making fun of them. When DK made fun of them, I was like, yeah, you know, we should be better. And then one day, DK felt bad and stopped.

And I was like, I don't actually want Hyvitz to be sad. I was like, that's a terrible sign. Once he's like, hey, they put together a couple good drives there, buddy. I was like, I liked it better when you were fucking making fun of us. This pity is often. We didn't really talk about the Giants losing to the Saints today. How are you feeling? Dart looked incredible for two drives.

I mean, the Giants turned the ball over. straight times. His fumble was... His fumble was... That was bad. He just dropped the ball. Yeah. Like, he didn't even try to switch hands.

He just was running with it and dropped it. Scadaboo had the fumble six. It's just funny. I haven't. But the Darius Slatons was the funniest to me because Darius Slayton had a catch. Fumbled. And then he just looked like he was unplugged.

Like he looked like an NPC that just like... He just went prone. It looked like he had like... out from he was so, like, distraught that he had fumbled this ball. But I've never seen a player do what he did. He looked like he was knocked out, but he was just upset. So they had five turnovers?

In a row, in five straight, six, if you count turnover on downs, they turned the ball over six straight times. So, I mean, yeah, not a good way to win. Yeah, yeah. Dart, dart, uh, whatever, man. You're saying, K. I know, my saints, baby.

Don't even care. It's fine. How did you beat the Chargers one week and then lose the Saints next week? Man, the football's wild. The most important thing that happened today, though, was our guy, our guy, really, though, Eric Collins, who's the Hornets announcer, who is the single best sports voice in the history of the world. Can you imagine sitting next to him in the press box? He has the belt right now. Yeah, that's accurate.

He has the belt. It's his. Like, good luck trying to take it. He's going to have for a long time. Unbelievable. Like, the hardest I've laughed probably as an adult was us sitting in the draft of Detroit. the hotel just that day trying to kill like 12 hours. Watching Eric Collins.

Lamello! So, anyway, he announced the defense game. Can we play? Disaster! There was a great dowel clip. Can we play that? Wait, one more time, please, one more time. Dude, still on his feet.

I think he knew Gus was coming for him because Gus Johnson over the weekend that a mission game, he did The Hero again. He used the hero again, but on a Michigan player. Yeah. He was like, the hero. Yeah.

He cooked. I, uh, so I, I watched the Commander's Chargers game today on the big screen. I had the broadcast going. And it was Brady and KB. And usually, you know what? Brady was bad.

And I haven't listened to Brady all season. And I had heard that he was better. Maybe he was off his game today. I don't know. I thought it was the same old, kind of incompetent. Tom Brady just like word soup doesn't know where the sentence is going when he starts it. He had one today where Herbert got sacked or like pressured or something.

Pressured. And then. Pressure. So Brady goes, I wrote it down. It's not, it's a short sentence. This is what he said. He goes, so Herbert gets pressured or sacked or whatever. He goes, a little juice there for the commander's defense.

They feel the juice. The chargers do. I'm like, oh my God. What? A little juice there for the commander's defense. They just feel the juice. The Chargers do. Is this a haiku?

What are we doing here? Woman. Whoa. Cynthia. Talking like Yoda. They feel the juice, the Chargers do. What are you talking about? Oh my God.

We really haven't talked about Brady this year. No, I haven't really watched because it's like I usually got the four box going, but today I just had like, I wanted to hear a broadcast. I get like Yoda. The Chargers fielded juice the chargers do. I was like, what are we doing here? He's still got it in the worst way. Great stuff. Great stuff.

He definitely like, he's changed. the, what's, I don't know even what the expression is like the volume, like the, he's like, he was high pitched last year kind of where he was like kind of yelling, you know how you, like when you're doing, you're like, it's like he's like talking into a mic that's too far away or something like that. He's like, that's how I talk on speakerphone. Yeah. It's like he's on stage and they're like, hey, your mic doesn't work.

He's going to have to speak up. Right, right. I think he's gotten a little better at that, but. The analysis hasn't changed a whole lot. He was still kind of yelling, but yeah. He was still kind of yelling. He really is kind of like an alien who's pretending to be a person. And again, he's genuinely like 10 times better when he's not on the broadcast.

He's bizarre. Literally, Tom Brady talking about football is amazing in every context. He's great. Except when he's paid $2 million to talk about it for three hours at a time. That is terrible. Yeah. Otherwise, he's great. He sounds like the demons and K-pop demon hunters.

The Arthur Smith and or Sean Hockey Award for Coach who are referee that pissed you off. I was mad at Sean Hockey, that was a great Bill's Patriot Sean Hockey League game tonight on Sunday and football, I will say. Looking jacked. Yeah, I was thrilled. I mean, I loved seeing a great match between Josh Allen, Drake May, and Sean Hockey, that was fun.

I had a couple moments that pissed me off. I thought the Eagles Broncos game was a mess from a ref perspective. Like, it was all over, especially in the fourth quarter. There was, there was two things that pissed me off. One, there was an extremely tick-tack pre-snap double motion penalty where

man, if somebody was watching the NFL for the first time today and you had to fucking describe to them why there was a flag on that play, it was like, John Dotson on the Eagles lines up and like shifts his body six inches. Then 10 seconds later, Sequin goes into motion and comes back towards Hearst. Hertz snaps the ball as Sequin is still like finishing up his motion back in. They throw the flag because that's technically a double motion,

even though one happened 15 seconds before the other. and like barely moved. It was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. That's one. I don't know if you have comments on that or I can move on to the next one. Oh, my comment is it was a huge fucking flag because that was the one where Devante Smith got a fourth than four

that would have put them at the 20-yard line and they would have got them a field goal. And instead, their Eagles punted. Yeah, probably lost in the game. Yeah. Like that, the outcome, it could not have been a bigger outcome on a play that did not score. It literally put them from,

midfield punting range on a fourth down that would have turned over and downs into a 30 yard field goal range. It was a huge call. I actually think that aane very subtle pre-snap

procedural infractions are the reason I watch football. So I'm glad to happen. Something about calling it an infraction. It makes it so much better. It's just like, Jesus Christ.

Infraction. It's like, I don't know, we've lost the fucking plot. Why we call, like, we don't need to call that shit. Did you see the play D.K.L. sent it too. Yeah, I know. I saw it. It was insanely tiki.

And then another one that was just like the refs, like I guess not wanting to admit their mistake or I don't know what. The refs, they call intentional grounding on Bownix. Replay assist then reverses the call. The refs do not say that. Which they throw the flag. It was an intentional grounding. And you're like, oh, okay, it's an intentional grounding. Romo and Nancy.

like, oh, it's intentional grounding. And then it's like, they call it. And then like, whatever. Nance and Romo were talking about if it was intentional grounding or not. And then the next play just starts and it's not. And Nance goes, oh, I guess they reversed it. And Romo's like, oh, that would have been nice to know. And they just snapped the ball and the rest of never saying.

Dude, that was insane. So replay assist is good. And replay assist has been awesome, which is basically if they throw a flag in certain plays, the command center in New York is now under Walt Coleman who runs it now, way more liberal about like, yeah, we'll pick some shit. shit up if it's wrong. If we're able to get our eyes on it and you threw a flag and it's wrong, we'll say pick up the flag.

They're not going to put down a flag from like 3,000 miles away, but they'll pick it up. That's good. But it was the way they handled this was crazy. It was bizarre. Like also a huge call because that was the difference between a third and six, which the Broncos converted and then won the game, or a third in 21, which they almost certainly would not have picked up. I just love the idea of them not wanting to kind of.

admit it and they just moved on. Honestly, Wrest should do that more. It reminds me of like in, I remember this vividly still in middle school. I was running the clock for like a basketball tournament and I fucked it up. It was kind of like what happened literally at the hurling game we went to

in Ireland where they fucked up the score on the scoreboard and I was just like hoping no one would notice and of course everyone in the stands fucking notice. You screwed up the clock on a basketball game. I gave like two points when it was a three or something. something like that and I fucked it up.

And then I was like, I waited too long to fix it. This was like a middle school game with like six graders. So it's not like a big deal. But still, the crowd was very upset with me because I tried to like, I waited too long to correct it and no one. And the referees didn't really notice.

And so like then they scored again and I tried to just like sheevishly add one point or something like that or I don't know what it was. And then it was like this big like everyone freaked out. Scorekeeping is hard. I always used to get anxiety whenever I had to do that. To be clear. It's tricky. It's a lot of pressure.

You thought you could get away with it by then making another mistake that you were hoping people wouldn't also notice. Yeah. And also to be clear, I was like in seventh grade or sixth grade. Oh, okay. I'm glad you clarified. I was picturing an adult. No, no, no, no.

I was, you know, I think I was one year older than the people that were playing or something like that. I was running the clock. And it was just like. Fucking stadium. Stadium pulse is just maxed out. Stadium pulse on the. scorekeeping. You're right. The scorekeeping's

there. It's like, you get the fouls, timeouts, the score, you're like, discombobulated. It's going to be too many buttons. Yeah. So you see the office and squad aided. He's like, I don't know to work this thing. It's incredible. Yeah, there was a lot of stuff in that Broncos, the Eagles game. There was just,

there was a lot. The other one, I just wanted, the Jackson Dark got called with the Roughing the Passer. That was horrific. I will admit as a Giants family was the worst one I saw all day. But the other ref one I have to pick a bone with is bad day for SkyCam. One. Yeah, this was random.

Justin Fields threw a pass off a defender's face that bounced into the camera. Another one at a million were living in a simulation thing that happened today. Wait, did you know, High Fitz, this was brought up at halftime of the Sunday night football. If a ball hits the sky camp, it's a dead ball and they should replay the play. Yes. And so that happened. and no one apparently knew this was a rule. And the Jets could have challenged that was like a,

they should have replayed the play instead of whatever it ended up being a game. So they could have. And I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad they didn't force the rule because that is made for plays that aren't super fucking over already. Which a ball that is ricocheting backwards of an incomplete pass 20 yards behind everyone. A play that absolutely should have been redone and almost swung the game is the London game. Will, I think, Riker, the Vikings kicker, hit the wire on a field goal.

And everyone made fun of him and thought he shanked it. It hit the Skycam wire. And it just bounced. They didn't have like good enough confirmation on video. They didn't have a camera facing the fucking wire. Which I get, yeah, the camera's on it. But like, it just hit it. And it clearly hit the camera line because the line moves after the ball changed his path.

and honest, I mean, before Jordan Edison the game winning touchdown, the Vikings were down three. This almost changed the outcome of the game, which is funny. So, wild. Weird game for Sky Kim. Yeah, other stuff. Yeah, Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it.

At one point in Bengals lines, Jamar Chase had three tackles and four catches. What? He made the tackle on all three. Four catches. Jake Browning had three picks. Jamar Chase made the intercept made the tackle on all three picks. That's really funny. At least he's getting targeted.

AJ Brown would kill for that. Yes, AJ Brown would love to make a tackle. Four catches of three tackles. I mean, honestly, Travis Hunter could never. Yeah. D.K. I'm sure you know who this guy is because this is your job. But do you know Ryan Flower Noyes?

Yeah. That's a real person. Is it flower noi? I don't know. I've heard it pronounced Floranoi and flower noise. I thought it was Florinoid. I'm not sure what it is. Well, it's F-L-O-U-R.

That's fucking flower. Yeah. I mean, I've heard people on the broadcast call him flower noise, so maybe that's what it is. Well, that guy led the Cowboys in receiving today. He had six catches for 114 yards. Sure.

I literally like double-taked. I was like, oh. Who's this guy? Jalen Tolbert didn't have a catch. He didn't play. He was hurt. I know. Yeah, yeah.

It's hard to get a catch and you don't play. I vaguely, I do vaguely remember Flower Noy from the Senior Bowl, I believe. Can you tell me what school he went to? I know. No, I cannot. Like, whatever, southern Alabama or something like that. Oh, yeah, you're close. Southeast Missouri State.

Okay. And he was like a small school. Yeah. That guy's a legend. He is now, yeah. Flower Noi. Flower. Ryan Flowernoe led the Cowboys today with 114-year-old.

Maybe it's because Aaron Glenn, the coach of the Jets, was really concerned with, like, having boxing gloves at practice. They didn't prep all the time with Ryan Flournoy. It's one of those things where if the team was good, that'd be awesome, the boxing glove, you know? Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it. This is going to, I don't understand the bottom line. I'm not, I don't totally want to make light of the situation,

but I will say the NFL network ticker this morning for London. The ticker just said, Mark Sanchez, stabbed, comma, arrested. Yep. This is one of the all-time rug pulls because it was originally like, holy shit. He was attacked. He was attacked. And now it's like it was some confrontation happened at night and he got arrested for it. But I agree.

I have it. I saw that headline. I was like, you don't often see stabbed arrested. Stabbed, comma, arrest. I was like, you know what? One, whoever wrote that, very concise. Incredible syntax. Stabbed and also arrested.

Stabbed, comma, arrested. I was like, yeah, I've never said. That's a forward story. What is the famous like the shortest story? Baby shoes never worn? Yeah. Yeah. Stabbed, comma, arrested.

Mark Sanchez stabbed, stabbed, comma, arrested versus baby shoes never worn. It's pretty good. Any other things that you just didn't understand? Florida is pretty good. Two tight-in-s-out-square-call pits in a lie. Falcons, I buy, so I didn't have anything for pits. Yeah.

I did. I also, I mean, AJ Brown, but Floranoi was going to be in my answer, so I didn't do, Floranoi. Who do we have for Burnbook? I have a nominee. Do you guys have any? I have a few potential ones, but I'm curious you have. I think it should be Treveeon Henderson. Yeah.

I think people, including myself, has started him every single week for five weeks, hoping that he pops. And if it's not today, I don't know when it's going to be. Literally, Remindre Gippson got hurt. Gippson fumbles and gets hurt, leaves the game and still,

or Trayvon Henderson doesn't do shit. Craig is like texting in the middle of the game. He must, how much does Trayvon Henderson just suck? He must not be good. Or the past protection must be a nightmare. But Rommandre ran in two touchdowns, like two quarters after he fumbled in this game.

So. It is funny to think. Ramandre has just been a lot better, even though he's still... I guess, you know what's funny about fantasy football? I don't know. I think Ramonji leads the league and fumbles, I assume.

You have three. So, you know what's so funny is with everything going on, with Henderson, and it becoming like a top 40, top 50 draft pick in fantasy, and Ramondre kept falling. If I had told you that Ramonji

would lead the league in fumbles through five weeks... It's a great call. And yet, Mike Vrabel refuses to stop using Remandre, no one would have believed you that you said, if you had just been like,

Remanche'll keep fumbling, but it won't matter. No one would have fucking believed you. If somebody told me, hey, through the first five weeks of the season, Ramandre will have lost three fumbles. I think there's a chance

that Trevion on Henderson would have gone before like O'Mary and Hampton in drafts. Yeah. And Gibson's going to get hurt. So I do think Henderson is going to be really good the second half. I'm sure he will.

Don't give up on him. No, you can't drop them, but you can't play them. Well, no, the burn book, Hot streak is going, though. So week one, we burned Waddle. Week two, we burned Andrews.

Week two, we burned Andrews. Week three, Pacheco. Week four, burn Calvaryl at 130 fucking yards, baby. Never wrong, just early. I think we should burn Henderson. We're on a hot streak with burning people. We're burning him in orders to play him next week. Yeah, this is just Craig. We're burning players Craig has.

Well, I'm the only one preparing for this segment. What do you guys have? That's not true. You're just angry. Your teams are worse than ours. Are you ready to give up or you're ready to just go with Trevor Henderson without even nominating your own person? Who do you want? Can we burn Derek Henry?

I was going to ask me. I don't think you can't. I don't think you can't. I think because he had the touchdown. I was also going to ask him with AJ Brown. No, I don't think it's about the touchdown. I think it's because Lamar will be back. I'm like a game and a half.

And then Jerry Kennedy might go back to be fantastic. I was going to ask you at AJ Brown. His great game today was five catches, 43 yards. The only reason I'm hesitant is because he very much should have had a 50 or a touchdown. However, AJ Brown, I mean, who has more points in the season? season, him or Ryan Flournoy? It's probably Brian Flournoy. I mean, look, I don't have a problem with that.

I'm more upset with AJ Brown. These are all my players. I think Craig should get to choose because he's the only one that prepared for this segment. I know. I'm the only one who brings the passion to this fucking segment. You can bring hatred and anger. I do.

Yeah, I mean, I... Is it Travion? Well, that... He's right about Henderson, because you know why. I think it's Travion, dude. like at least AJ Brown had a big game this year. Trivion is maddening because he's just like never on the field. I think Henderson's a good call.

He doesn't look good when he's on the field. Henderson's a good call because other than him, this has been a really good year for just hype. Hype is a winner of the season so far. Tyler Warren hype. Emeka Abuka hype. God damn. There's a third example I'm trying to think of.

Who else had a lot of hype? I was thinking about this earlier during the game. And Henderson is. Yeah. During the off season? Yeah. Yeah. Henderson.

Tyler Warren? I said that. Pierce all. I'm trying to think. Golden. Oh, I was sorry. Well, Gentie. I know the Gentie.

I guess the rookie running backs in general, like Gentie and Hampton, like, they have looked good. They got it. They're not an incredible fantasy. But like, generally speaking, I do think that a lot of guys that were hyped up did weirdly. Like, Sal took Tyler Warren's in the sixth round in a ringer draft. That was a great pick.

I thought it was crazy. Like, at Boo. He snag me on a buca and Tyler Warren. Yeah, and I was like, damn, he took a boon in the fifth and, or he took a boon in the fourth and Tyler Warren's six and it was great picks. And Henderson is the guy that people thought would be like that. And he should have gone six rounds later. Yep. I mean, he's unplayable.

He's in every week. Like, he's just not in the field enough. And it's also his jersey. So goddamn small. What's what's his name? That's a weird. That's a red flag. Fix it.

Is it made of a different material? He's got the T.J. Max jersey. Why don't they give him a real jersey? Maybe Vrabel's punishing him. You'll get a real jersey when... It's getting hazed. Yeah. So weird.

You see, only player in the NFL that has that lettering. It's bizarre. Where do you get it from? What is the origin? I'm actually going to text someone right now and just trying to figure out what the fuck is going on. Yeah, get to the bottom of that. You know what fantasy is annoying? because Calvin Ridley has been terrible all season.

He's been dropping passes left and right. And then this week, all week, he has two injury designations. He has a knee and an elbow. He might not play. It's like borderline game time decision. I honestly thought he maybe wasn't going to play. This morning, it's like Calvin Ridley going to give it a go. And you're like, all right, he's been literally terrible the entire season.

He's 131 yards today. Like, I just, how are you supposed to, how are we supposed to do this? You know what I mean? That was the other one in a million play. along with the demarcato dropping the ball. Yeah, Calvin Ridley is like top five in receiving yards this week. I don't know. I don't know how we're supposed to do it.

I think we burn Henderson. It's the hardest job in the world. Yeah, I think that all the time. Oh, it's the people fighting wildfires and the fucking forest and then this is like right there. No. The biggest fire is the burn book. That's the fire.

Exactly. You're imagine putting this thing out. All right. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Krollis. Thank you, Kai. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Austin.

Thank you. Everyone for listening. Email us to ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Email us trivia questions. Emails fantasy court cases. Email us. What are the things we asked for? I never remember them in the middle of this episode.

We asked for... Players who have retired and come back and been good. Yeah, I don't actually want that. It's kind of boring. If you already sent one over there, but... If anyone can figure out what the fuck is with Tray Van Henderson's nameplate. I got to get to the line. I want to know that.

I want to know if anyone's like a seamstress or... Is there any... anyone else in the NFL that has that fine? Yeah, if anyone has any examples of other sports with guys whose names had weird fonts or their jerseys were different than everyone else let us do. I know the Packers have different jersees and people, but that's not

this. One player is different jersey than anything I've ever seen. I want to know. Anything like that. You know, when you go to the doctor, the eye doctor and there's like five different lines of letters, like the top one's giant and very readable, the point is you can read them. Why is Henderson shorter than Henry?

And Henderson's like the very bottom one, like 2020 vision, 2010 vision. Same. When the doctor's like, oh, wow, you can read that. Holy shit. Nice work. I can actually read that. I have 2020 or whatever.

I always love when you can read it and they're like really impressed. Fuck yeah. I'm, I'm still on my computer. I'm still on Ryan Flower Noise Wikipedia. And the high school he went to, I just like if you combine the name of his high school with his name, it's such like word soup.

His high school is Homewood Flossmore. So like I just. Ryan Flower Noe of Homewood Flossmore. Flowernoe from Homewood Flossmore. See, that needs a small fun. Yeah. I hope like the Cowboys have another primetime game and Al Michaels has to say, flowernoy from Homewood Flossmore.

Damn, dude, I will say though, I'm on their website. Homeward Flossmore has a hell of a website for high school. Homewood. The very well-made website. There's, like, videos on here that, like, this is a well-made website. My high school website didn't look anything like this. Homewood Flossmore.

Our story. Oh, do you think we go to alumni? Like, oh, famous alumni, do you think he's going to be on here? Better be. What year did he graduate if you didn't find him? Probably five years ago, six years ago. Oh, no, I have to log in. That's all right.

All right. Well, thank you, Lord. Lord. Wow. Thank you, White Stripes. you like white stripes or you just kind of throwing them out I just threw them out there I was listening to him recently I like some of them yeah

Jack White yeah Icky thumb Ikeith do you guys see my Mariners got a dub tonight I did not watch it but I'm happy I didn't I wish I could Scoobble what happened

so how did you beat Tarek Scoobble well a couple home runs some good pitching and heroics from Julio Rodriguez and Big Dumber. Big Dumber. Can I do some

Nobody in the world gives a shit, but I'm going to complain anyway. The Yankees are down to. The Yankees fucking suck so much. And I hate them. And they make me so sad. How many world championships do the Yankees?

27, 28? Hyfidz Witt. The Mariners haven't won. A fucking playoff game. At home in 24 years. Yeah, that was a long time. In Seattle. How old were you 24 years ago?

Like seven, six? I was actually wondering if you were going to know. Six. Yes. Sweet. Aren't the white stripes? Isn't it Jack White and his wife? But then they divorce it, but they're still in the band.

And then there's like brother or sister vibes. Is it like a Fleetwood Mac thing? Whether they're brother or sister? No, they were married. And then they got divorced and they just kept the band together. I believe. But the band was, I thought it was just the two of them.

Yeah, but they were married. It's like New Age Fleetwood Mac. Is it a band if it's two people? Yes. Absolutely. It's a duo. I know,

but it sounds, it's like a fake band. You know what I'm saying. I mean, I don't know why you have to make the distinction. Like, oh, I'm in a band.

And then there's one other person. You feel a little deceived. Paul Simon's like, I'm in a band. And you're like, are you, Paul? I know what two people Is it like Florida Georgia Lai I guess is a band

But if you're like hey come meet my band There's one guy You'd be like that's kind of That's not really what I was envisioning This is like the pasta salad thing Is pasta salad pasta? Yes But when

DK's point is But if you say I'm making you pasta You're not fucking thinking about pasta salad I think it's similar Yeah But then when you're in a two person band And you like do a concert You usually have other band members

Kind of playing in the background with you Yeah but are they in the band Well Or they're just the band playing behind you. They're the band. They're the bandmates. Are background musicians a part of the band? I don't know.

I would say yes. I mean, they're touring with the band. With the East Street band, yeah. Like, they're definitely in the band. Right. Like, if you have a name for the back, you know, the backstage. Email us about this too in bands. The white stripes are good.

I'm trying to go through rock. I feel like rock is my big blind spot with music. Rock and roll. like modern rock my parents are like older and I feel like I know the 60s and 70s and 80s like so much more

like with I I really 90s 2000s rock like it's a giant blind spot for me yeah I feel the same way but I actually think like when I listen to it I don't like it as much like I actually think I gravitate towards old rock so I went

I picked up Jackie in the airport the day and I just put on a Chili's Pepper's album yeah oh I do like that on chili peppers I like him too. I listened to them all the time. But I was like, I've never actually just started this album and just played it all the way through.

Which one? Was it Stadium Arcadium? No, that was 06. The one before that, 99. I can't remember the names. The Blood Sugar, Sex, Magic? Yes. And I played the whole thing start to finish.

And I was like, you know, I see why the famous songs are famous. Dude, Anthony. I'm going to leave the other one. I see why I don't, I see why I'd never heard these before. Anthony Keats legitimately has, looks younger than most.

I think Anthony Kitas is like in his 60s and he looks like he's 35 years old. Dude, he's age. He's an ageless, bizarre wonder. Oh, he also, his croon, when he's just like, ah, actually, I'm not going to do it to you guys, but, you know, when he kind of looks like Aaron Rogers.

I've always thought that. Really? Keats looks like Rogers. He does. I think they'd be friends too. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Him and flee?

Yeah. Yeah, he kind of does, Craig. Doesn't he look like Rogers? No, he looks. Oh my God. He looks like Uncle Rico. He looks like Uncle Rico. Yeah.

Like, this is fucking Rogers. Rogers should be Keatis for Halloween. Remember when he was John Wick that one time? Yeah. Yeah, he does love Halloween. Dick you never thinks the red out chili peppers. I think I probably have. Thank you for not thinking Taylor Swift.

We've had enough. It was the memes that were like, you know, the album's mid because people are like the albums mid and the Swifties, I haven't said it. you think? My favorite joke was that they said that she got sexually transmitted CTE. Jesus. Craig says they said. Whatever.

You know, some fucking faceless Twitter account. It was really funny. So wait, she had a new album come out this weekend? Stop. Yes. Stop.

I mean, I vaguely heard about it. There was listening parties and stuff. What? Oh, so you did. Okay. Damn. No, I knew that it was paying.

Your algorithm must be fucking airtight if you didn't really know about this. That's remarkable. Honestly, I would love to get, like, that's actually such an accomplishment where, yeah, your algorithm these Taylor Swift comes and goes. A fucking lockbox if you don't, if you didn't see the Taylor Swift album. That's a good example of why we're an interesting political moment is that D.K. doesn't even fucking know what Taylor Swift did. Like, it's like, I mean, I put it together.

I put two and two together. No, I know. but like I it's inescapable like I saw more even tonight if I go on my phone it's like more Taylor Swift than football

and it's a fucking Sunday I heard I got the impression people didn't like it is that yeah you're saying that people thought it was I would say people were

underwhelmed to put it there was one song I did hear that was like about stuping Travis Kelsey

Wood is the name of the song yeah Homewood Flossmore is what the name the song goodbye everyone you

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