The Ringer NFL Show - Week 5 Recap: The Lamar-Burrow Explosion, Fleece Hall, and Craig Gets a Noise Complaint

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

The guys recap all the Week 5 action by going through some categories, such as Who Won Week 5?, Play of the Day, and Fart or Shart (1:26). Then, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn Book (00:00). Winners and Losers (1:26) The Oppenheimer Award (24:18) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (25:47) Fart or Shart (36:55) They’re Real and They’re Spectacular (42:00) Play of the Day (48:43) Worst Play of the Day (53:00) The Arthur Smith Award (55:35) Worst Ref Moment (57:51) Lucille Bluth Award (58:35) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey y'all, Sirot Sohi from The Ringer here, and I wanted to let you guys know about a new show that I'm hosting. The Ringer WNBA show. We're going to be talking about all the biggest personalities, breaking down and analyzing the latest happenings that make the W so fascinating, featuring some of the best guests and experts from around the league. Tap in with us on the brand new Ringer WNBA show feed on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Fantasy football show. My name is Danny Hyphitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Quarlemouth, and we were going through almost all the games that happened on Sunday, week five, because this Steelers Cowboys game will not end.

And so we are just going to keep on rolling, and we're going to do it in the middle of this game. We're doing the show. We're just doing it. And also Craig is in a hotel room in New York for the live rewatchables. And if you stick to the end of this, I know somewhat longer than usual episode, but you can hear about the noise complaint that he got after we recorded this episode. So that's real special.

But yeah, we're just going to do this show during the Steelers Cowboys game. And if something cool happens into this game, we'll hit the Steelers Cowboys game on Monday. But yeah, let's just get to the show, winners of losers and all the awards from Sunday week five. Whoever wants to go first, jump ball. Biggest winner. You go first.

I like yours. I would like to give it to Lamar Jackson. It was close. It was kind of between Lamar or Borough, but the Ravens literally won the game. So I think I have to give it to Lamar. This was a wild game. The Ravens beat the Bengals,

41 to 38, shootout, one of the best games of the year. What was cool about this game is usually, it's Lamar blowing leads and today it was Lamar coming back. They were down 10 in the fourth and it was just like impressive to watch Lamar climb back. He threw two touchdowns in the final 10 minutes, four total for the day. He's the number one quarterback in fantasy in the year. He's awesome.

He's nine to one interception or touchdown interception ratio. He's he's like self actualizing and it feels like he just gets better every year. And he's, he was always like maybe the best quarterback in. fantasy. And every year he gets closer and closer to just being the best running back in fantasy and the best, sorry, the best quarterback in fantasy and the best quarterback in the NFL. And next week, he plays Jaden Daniels. Put that on Sunday night. Flex that. The thing I like about Lamar this year is he feels a little bit game script like agnostic. It doesn't matter kind of how the game is going. If they're winning by a lot, he still runs around a lot. They'll still use them on read

option stuff and some scrambling. He's been really solid in the run game. And also in these types of games, like where they get into shootouts, he has been incredible passing the football too. That one play where he threw a touchdown to, I believe it was Isaiah likely after stiff-arming a guy, the most casual stiff arm I've ever seen, it was like a guy that was like 300 pounds. And then just set back and threw a touchdown. He's just a pro bowler. Am I, am I remembering that right? That's this, that was the same play, right? Where he like stiff-armed him and then he stiff-armed him again and threw him to the ground and then through, yeah, through the touchdown of Isaiah likely

right before we went out of bounds. That was insane. Does it feel like to you guys right now that we are in peak? Like, it is Apex Mountain for quarterbacks dancing around in the backfield and making cool shit happen. Like we have, Lamar can do it whenever he wants. Jane Daniels has now become that guy.

Kyla Murray obviously can do it. We've added Caleb Williams, who's doing it. Brock Purdy holds on a bell for five seconds every single play now. It feels like we have reached the peak for quarterbacks just like dancing around for. or five seconds before they throw the ball. Amount of quarterbacks? Yeah. I mean, you didn't even mention Patrick

Bohams. Totally. Yeah. He did, I thought. I did not. Oh, you didn't? Wow. How could we forget? Can I be a devil's advocate? Not on Craig's point, but it just done Lamar and the Ravens. Okay. There's an incredible... I apologize. I forget who does this. Someone does the results of after the regular season ends.

Someone flips the results of every game. based if you just flip what happened on a field goal at the end of the game. Every make is a miss and every miss is a make. What happened each team? And I have to say the narratives around Lamar based on whether, like, football is such a funny sport because the Bengals, Hunter muffing a hold on a field goal has completely flipped two seasons. I think it's so funny.

Like literally the Bengals, they would have just won this game and been two and three. And they would have, you know what I mean? And the Ravens would have come out like two and three. and we would have been like Lamar dropping snaps again. Lamar always blows the game. And instead, the Bengals give them the ball back.

And then Derek Henry immediately goes down and almost scores a touchdown. And we flip it. Lamar played out of this world. I've no doubt. I'm not trying to take anything away from Lamar. I'm just saying it's funny. Sounds like you are. But I'm a little fired.

Specifically felt like that's what you were doing. Exactly. I'm just saying, you know what I mean? Where I just, where everyone's like, oh, my God. It's like we totally recognized. Can I push back on something? Yeah, I don't know. Do you think the narrative on Lamar is,

that like he's untouchable? I feel like the narrative on Lamar is that he blows it in the playoffs every year and he can't close. Yeah. What I'm saying is it's funny that of all the games, this is the one where we're like, yeah, but it's like he dropped the ball. He literally dropped the ball on the last, like quite literally dropped the ball. I don't know.

I think people have been too hard on Lamar in the past. It's not about Lamar Barra. It's not about that. It just, I think football is such a funny sport because the Bengals punter being able to grab a hold or not completely flips how we talk about stuff on a given a week. Yeah, but this happens in every game. This happens every week like 10 times. I'm not saying, it's just funny to me.

Like the entire game flipped because the punter dropped the goddamn hold. I mean, think about how different the narrative would be if Zay Flowers hadn't fumbled at the one yard line. Yeah, it's a crazy sport. That's all. It's a crazy sport. It's so funny to me. You could also argue that Zach Taylor shouldn't have relied on a like a

54 yard field goal to win the game. That was gonna get karma. That was karma. I was going to get to that. Yeah. Anyway, Hyphitz hates Lamar. Yeah, I hate Lamar Jackson. DK, who's your winner? So I know Hyvitz's loser is Lamar. DK., who's your winner?

Well, real quick, before I get to mine, we usually will do the Arthur Smith Award for Coach that piss you off the most. And that was mine. Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor. Just they ran, they recovered a fumble. I don't remember exactly where it was, but it was within field. It was tied to 35.

Yeah. And in overtime. And they ran three times. Got zero yards. Basically, they played. They played for a 53-yard field goal. That's like not a chip shot. It's crazy to settle at 53.

Like what is the settle number? To me, the settle number is like 45, maybe? Maybe like not even more than anything more than 40, and I feel like you're asking for it. I know. Yeah. And of course he missed and then the Ravens went on to lose the game. So that was just like so cowardly and conservative.

Come on. It was because Joe Burrow, when he ran on the field for that drive, had the look on his face of, holy shit. close the shit. I can't believe we are going to get to win this game. Like he was so locked in. They didn't have Joe Burrow throw the football. That was crazy.

He's having the best game of his career. Yeah, they treated him like he was like Malik Willis. Like, what are you doing? They're like, you can't have Joe throw? I don't know. We can't disparage Malik Willis like that anymore. High Fitts, come on. That's true.

Yeah, that's true. Anyway, getting back to the winners and losers. My winner for this week is once again, Jane Daniels. The commander's offense is just, ridiculous. At some point I know some team is going to slow them down and we thought maybe the Cleveland Browns defense

which has some good talent on that team was going to, I don't know, just make them try a little harder. It didn't really feel like anything was harder for the commanders. So once again, they absolutely blew out the Browns. It never really felt like a game. I mean, maybe for like one quarter, it was like

a game and then after that it was just an absolute blowout. Washington won 34 to 13. And it was really 34 to 6. It was a garbage time touchdown. I mean, and this was a game where I didn't even think Jaden Daniels was as sharp as he had been the last couple of games, and they still were just an absolute freaking buzzsaw on offense. I saw this stat from Nate Tice. They're eight for eight on fourth downs. And coming into this game, they were over 50% on third down conversion.

So the way that Jane Daniels plays almost makes me think of, it's like their own version of the tush push because they are so unstoppable on third and fourth downs. of his versatility, his ability to scramble, his ability to evade and make like chicken salad out of chicken shit in terms of like, I saw this stat from next gen stats. In this game, Jay and Daniels faced four unblocked pressures in the first half. He converted all of them into a first down. Two passes, two scrambles. And that's just, I think, a small microcosm for the type of like, I don't know, it's like a force multiplier.

He is a force multiplier for them on third and fourth downs because he's able to scrambles. because he's able to scramble or pass. D.K., I have a question for you. Do you think the way that Cliff is using Jaden Daniels as a weapon who can pass and throw? Do you think the way he's using Jaden is more interesting or smarter schematically than the way the bills use Josh Allen,

the Ravens use Lamar, the Cardinals use Kyler? Because all those guys have similar physical tools, but do you think what the commanders are doing is different? Not really. I think he's just executing, and extraordinarily well. I'm trying to think of like really unique stuff that they've done with him.

And it doesn't really come to mind. Like honestly, and I know, look, I recognize that I always connect everything to the Seahawks. But he does remind me of Russell Wilson early, like the early version of Russell Wilson where he was five inches taller. Yeah. But Russell back then was all scrambles, all Houdini plays, and all deep shots. And that's essentially what Jane Daniels has been so far. And it's like there was a stretch. during late 2012 and parts of 2013

where the Seahawks just embarrassed opposing defenses. There was a stretch there in Russell Wilson's rookie year where they won, I mean, there was a game where they won like 50 something to three, you know, over the there was like a Bill's game, a Cardinals game, and a couple other games where they absolutely just

annihilated teams. And it was because Russell Wilson was running around. Defenses didn't know what the hell to do with this guy. Eventually, I think defenses will kind of catch up and start to, you know, dial in on some of Jane Daniels's weaknesses and start to really do a better job of stopping him. But like right now, once again,

every game has looked absolutely easy for the commanders. That's like just the most basic way of putting it. Everything is easy for them. How many people in the end of, they're not grading on a rookie curve, just straight up. How many quarterbacks have a better deep ball right now than Jim Daniels? Oh, I don't know about that. I feel like he hasn't thrown enough enough of them for me to really know.

Every single one seems to land in the fingertips of someone 45 yards downfield. Yeah. Look, and I said, like, that was one of his biggest strengths. I had that in my Skyden report. Like, he throws a insanely accurate deep ball, especially down the sideline. It's, like, one of his top strengths. But, I mean, you know, they're not throwing deep like a ton. It's just like picking and choosing their spots and really capitalizing when they did those opportunities.

I feel like the difference, like me asking that question about is, are they doing anything different than what, like, Josh Allen and Lamar and these other guys do? I think you're right that it's not really that different. I think the biggest difference is that he's doing it. five games into his career. Like, it just started immediately. He looks closer to those guys already. And I think a lot of those guys, especially like somebody like Josh Allen,

it like took a while and they relied on their legs so much more. And I feel like Jaden is just like actually still, or at this point in his career, he's already comfortable just like dropping back, hitting a pass, going through his reads. And he doesn't use his legs as much of a crutch as I think other guys who are just getting into their careers are.

He like already looks comfortable out there. He called some play today. The deep ball to Terry McLaurin was like, something he noticed, told Cliff about, made that read, called it, and then hit him for a 60-yard game. Just to that point, he's the first player ever to pass for 1,000 yards and rush for 250 yards in his first five games. He has more rushing yards through five games than any other quarterback ever, 300 rushing yards. Can I throw out one explanation for why J. Daniels looks more seasoned? He spent six years in college.

Maybe it's because he's two years older than Anthony Richardson. Maybe that's why it looks better. I know. I wonder if we're having a renaissance for old players. Well, I think just, yeah, it's the COVID player. I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, maybe it's the six years in college did him go. Just wait until Michael Pettix comes out. Yeah. All right. So, and then obviously the Browns, I mean,

Jesus, the Browns looked abominable. The Browns don't do anything well. Especially after the game when Stefansky was like, yeah, we're sticking with Sean Watson. I can't, it's just brutal right now for the Brown. It's also funny because, yeah, you know what? We can read every stat in the book. The Browns are like the worst team ever. right now. But they're also the most expensive team in the league, which is endlessly funny. I also just think it's funny that Kevin Stavansky, who was the coach of the Browns last year,

saw what happened. Like, Flacco came in last year, reinvigorated the offense. They went four and one with Flacco, made the playoffs. And the whole vibe of the offense of the team completely changed. And so we're just doing this again. Like, it's just happening again. We get Flacco today, too. I don't blame, but I don't blame Stiff. This is where I disagree with people. This is, to me, Robert Salo last year. I don't think he's. it's truly Kevin Stefansky's call on playing Watson or not. It is like literally his call. But like the idea that I'm more mean whoever is making the call.

It's funny. I think he has to go to ownership. Yeah, but we already have an example of it of like Deshaun leaves and the team gets better. We literally saw that happen last year. And they have a capable backup who is ostensibly better than Joe Flacco should be in James Winston. Like theoretically James Swinson is better than Joe Flacko. I don't think Stafansky can bench Deshawn Watson without going directly to like Jimmy

he has them who owns the Browns. I'll say this though. It's not just Watson who sucks. Watson did for all. I mean, look, Watson's bad. But he did have at least one play where he scrambled right. He threw across his body and put it into Jerry Judy's chest in the end zone, uncovered. Jerry Judy just dropped it. Jared Judy just honestly tried to catch it the way I would try to catch it. This is a guy who's getting Chris out of my hands. Yeah. And he just alligator on it. And he couldn't even get in his bread basket. Like, I'm not going to lie. The Browns are the most expensive, expensive team in the NFL. They can't do anything. Like they can't physically catch. Amory Cooper, Jerry Judy.

None of these guys can catch a football with their hands. They can't block. They can't really run. They can't play defense because Miles Garrett has both of his feet injured. Like they can't stop the run. They can't stop the past. They can't tackle. They can't do anything well. There's nothing the Browns do well. It's almost like they need something to kind of change things up. This reminds me. This whole discussion reminds me. I can't remember. I'm going to paraphrase the quote, but like Kevin Clark,

used to mention this. Like, there's only, I don't know, six or seven teams that are actually trying to win in any given year. The Browns are a perfect example where they're spending a lot of money. So obviously, they are trying to win. But if they really were trying to win, they would have kept Joe Flacco because that's what they did last year with Joe Flacco. Like, what the hell?

And then Joe Hocko is a hero. Yeah, we can't insult to Sean Watson. God forbid anyone insult to Sean Watson. That would be awful. And speaking of that, this is off script. but how do the cults go away from Joe Flacco next week, by the way? If Richardson is healthy, are they going to go back to Richardson? Are they just not going to try to win?

Flacco will never be on the same team for two straight years for the rest of this period. No, yeah. They can't be. He said Flacco. How old is he? He can play another 10 years he looked like. He's 39. Flacco is what Bill always described Kirk Cousins is what he should be,

which is Kirk Cousins always provides every fan base with such a high floor that everyone's immediately happy and he should leave before they realized that he kind of sucks. But, like, Flacco just should just go around and just be donated everyone. 33 out 44, 359 yards and three touchdowns nearly led them to a win. I think Flacco's just one life. So what, wait, someone, I forget who. Someone made a joke.

Do you guys think Joe Flacco could win comeback player of the year again? That would be hilarious. Back-to-back comeback player of the year. Well, beat DeMarhamlin again. What did he come back from this time, though? I don't know. Not getting resigned. You know.

Being forced to leave and go be a backup. The other guy that should be comeback player of the year is DeMarne Hamlin. But Flacco can beat tomorrow Hamlin for comeback player in the year again. Just every year. Oh, my God. How much better would Flacco make? I could not name like 16 teams right now. And I'm like, Flacco would make that better.

Do it. Screw it. Vegas. Yeah. the Giants, even though they just won? No, how... We'll get to that. Okay. Miami, New England.

Okay, Miami, New England. Yeah. Carolina. The Jets. Yeah. God, he was on the Jets. Wait, wait, wait, let's stay there. Oh my, dude, I think the Jets

are the biggest loser of the day. Aaron Rogers, Robert Sala, everyone associated with that. Any Jets fans who traveled to London, all those people are the biggest losers of the day. That was awful. Honestly, how much did we see? say, how many times did we say last year? Man, the Jets defense looks great. Offense is pathetic. But when Aaron Rogers gets back, this will be something. This team looks

exactly the same as it was Zach Wilson. Yeah. So from a real world point of view, the Jets who have leveraged a lot to win this year, basically they just, like you said, they've been waiting for Aaron Rogers to get back. Once Aaron Rogers gets back, this whole thing is fixed. they just lost to their former first round bus of a quarterback in Sam Darnold. They fall to two and three on the season. Aaron Rogers threw, what did he throw three picks in this game? He threw a pick six early on. He threw two in the first quarter for the first time in his career.

Yep. He has, I would say, pretty terrible body language, not on the same page with his receivers. Was the body language him on the sideline being sad or was it him crawling at pain the first time or calling in pain the second time? Yeah, there was multiple body language moments. the, when he got hurt, he got like rolled up on and his knee got all kind of tweaked, just him crawling away. You got art, but make it sports twice. Yeah. And that was tough.

But then there was also multiple times where, you know, after one of his turnovers, the Vikings would come back and score and they always pan to the quarterback who made the turnover, you know. And there's just like Roger sitting on the sideline. I truly, there was one where I was like, he looks like he's on the verge of tears. He looks very, very sad. So the vibes are terrible from a real life point of view, the Jets. you know, but even worse, or depending on your point of view, maybe not as worse,

but like bad, from a fantasy point of view, they're also terrible. Like, Brice Hall is way, way worse than he was last year in terms of fantasy. Garrett Wilson is the wide receiver 28 through five weeks, which is a few spots behind Alan Lazard. What are we doing here?

Zach Wilson and the motley crew of terrible quarterbacks that the Jets had last year is actually better than what Aaron Rogers brings to this offense for fantasy. I don't care about real life. that much. Fantasy. That's the most important thing. Doesn't it just feel like, it feels like Rogers to me is like an old grandpa who's like refuses to drive

an automatic car. He's like, no, no, I like my stick shift. And everyone's like, grandpa, it can be better. And he's like, their offense to me seems like he is refusing to bring in anything new. And he is like, I'll do it myself. I'll walk up to the line. I'll call the plays and it'll work

like it was 10 years ago. And defense has evolved and he's getting shredded. You can use an Excel spree. spreadsheet and it auto fills all your things. You're filling this out by hand. I'll type one to a thousand myself. I like it. A thousand percent.

And the car has died and they're pushing it up a hill. And Garrett Wilson's getting mad at pushing the car. And Rogers is like, I got this mechanic. His name's Devonti Adams. We're going to take it to him. He's 10 miles away. He knows exactly what to do with this thing. Yeah.

Rogers is like, let's just try, you know, back window throws, back shoulder throws the whole game for guys that I've barely thrown to in my entire career. I'm just going to rely on hitting a three-inch window 40 times. That's my plan for the game today. You know, it's so funny. And I never thought of it this way, but Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson have actually always mirrored each other in very weird ways in their career. And Russell Wilson always accepted like $500,000 less in his total contract than Aaron Rogers did forever. But there is something to that too, where Aaron Rogers in his own way has also relied on like really low percentage shit that he was really good at, just like Russell

Wilson has and now he can't really hit it. And that is kind of what it was going on here in the simplest way is that maybe it's not low percentage throws. It's like trying to get high percentage throws in a really like low percentage way if that makes any sense. It's like the first eight or the first like 12 passes

going to Garrett Wilson because Garrett Wilson was mad. It just doesn't make any sense. To me this is a perfect example or another illustration of look did Aaron Rogers from the time, the last couple of seasons when Everyone was getting sick of them in Green Bay, including the coaches and everything.

And they drafted Jordan Love because they saw the end was near. And then he went on to win two fucking MVPs after that. Like, was the Aaron Rogers before that and the Aaron Rogers after that that different? No, but it was just like, for whatever reason, all the stars started to align for those teams, whereas everything before was just really hard. Because I just think it's like the margin for error in the way that Aaron Rogers plays is really, really small. And unless you have everything working in unison, and in concert,

when it is working, it's like a symphony, right? But if one guy is fucking it up, like nothing works. You know what I mean? I think you nailed that. It's the margin for error

for what Rogers wants to do is small and to immediately make you upset. In golf terms, Rogers like fucking likes to hit like three irons. And it's like when you stripe it, it's so cool. Are they hard to hit? Yeah,

they're very hard to hit. It's like basically hitting with like a hockey stick. Yeah. It's so cool when you do it. Not. You can't do it. You look really stupid.

It's like, but that is what he likes to do. Yeah, if it's one degree off, it's like baking. It's like if you actually double the salt, the whole thing's ruined. Exactly. It's like baking show. And it's like sometimes like, dude, why are you going to do it? Like, just make it Genoese. Like, it's not that hard.

I'm watching the British Bacon show. Have you guys been watching British Bacon show? I've seen every season, but I haven't seen the new one. Oh, it's lovely. Wow. You guys have watched all that. Oh, dude. Oh, it's the best.

I'm not saying it's bad. I just have never, I've never watched any of them. Stop criticizing it. It's really good. I've seen some funny clips. Calm down. If you want to raise your serotonin, watch that show. I would do an entire podcast in the British baking show.

Okay. The ringer has. But I'm not there. They haven't invited me. But they didn't invite me. I need to do it. I have so many thoughts. You should just do it.

We'll put it on the feed. It's fine. Christmas week, we'll do it. Don't even mess with me. The best television episode of my life is when dairy girls went on the British Making Show. It was the best thing ever happened to me. Oh, my God, Christmas special.

This feels a niche. I like this. Anyway, I have become death. Oppenheimer word for the player. When Dairy curls went on the British. The Dairy girl, dude. That was the highlight of my life. Oh, dude.

And the nut. Emails me at ringerfincy football, Gmail.com, if you don't know about it. We'll talk. Yeah, yeah. I like how he said, email me. Email me. Give your personal email. Highfitz is the, he does the lion share of the emailing for, I would say.

I don't know. Yeah, everyone wants to make fun of trivia. for trivia, too, Ringer Fantasy Football at g-emel.com. And you know what? And you know what? And actually hide the answer because Hyvitz is clearly, you know, he's saying that the answer is. He's pretending he's getting incepted. We'll address trivia gate tomorrow, don't you worry.

I am become death. Oppenheimer word player went nuclear. We mentioned Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. They both actually, I mean, they went in, I mean, this game alone, again, was it 78 points in this game. Just the two of them. So, I mean, I think they deserve. That game alone, like, basically saved offense in the NFL. It did.

And I think we have to throw out one more name. Usually we don't do this because Thursday night is three days ago. But we have to, I mean, Kirk Cousins went Oppenheimer on the league. Man. Kirk Cousins, Kirk Cousins had 509 passing yards. The charges don't have 5009 passing yards this season. And then, yeah, so he threw up, what was it, 509? He threw four touchdowns.

They beat the, they beat the box in overtime. And then did you see the next day he called in to the Dan Patrick show in his car in the parking lot of a Waffle House? Kirk did. I saw that. Was that a, was that staged or he just, was that like go to Waffle House? Was he eating at a Waffle House?

Or was that like, Kirk, if you take it from a Waffle House, you'll look cool in Atlanta? Yes. Yes. He's doing the, he's politicking.

He's a politician. I will say, it was, it was very impressive that they, they completed a slant and got the, the spike in what was that?

Like 10 seconds? That was very, that was very well done. Rahane Morris has like never loved a player more than he's loved Kirk cousins. They were like yelling at each other in bliss, in ecstasy. That was super. Yeah, Kirk, that was also the best Thursday of football game in years. It was hilarious because Al Michaels didn't want to be doing it.

Is it kind of wild how quickly Kirk has turned around based on what happened in week one? He just needed. He looks so bad. I think that's a memento tattoo. All right. Momento tattoo next year is week one into a preseason and ignore it. For real. That's a great one.

You could go to three September. You could argue. We don't know what we don't know anything about anything until October is the momentum. This is, and here we go. We have a daily double. And again, emails at ring and fancy football at gmail.com and you can submit submissions for these categories you do on Sundays. And we have the first year daily double. We're going to read this from Michael.

Found it. Michael. Mikey. Michael. Michael has a submission for we're so back. Okay. We're so back. Offense.

Oh, yeah. Offence is back. Thank God. Michael is right. We have 500. We were just complaining the first two weeks. And it's like, offense is back. Jamar Chase's 40 fantasy points.

Kirk Cousins is throwing from 500 yards. We have Joe Burrow and Lamar are having 35, like five touchdowns apiece. Offense is back. Hell yeah. Everything is good again. There's long touchdowns. There's weird stuff happening. Like, we figured it out.

Stop. We need to like just stop bitching next season the first two. No bitching till week three. That needs to be a rule for this year. But I just want it all the time, though. That's the thing. Yeah. And I think us bitching is the reason why they came out.

of their slump. They were sick of a shame. They should be thanking us for complaining. The top three fantasy quarterback performances of the season came today. Joe Burrow. If you really think about it.

Looking pretty good. The other we're so back. Came this week. Daniel Jones and the Giants are back, baby. Are they? Are they back? They're back. All right.

They're still back. Yeah, they are so back. He's still got the like the adrenaline coursing through his system right now. He's still laying that high. Giants beat the Seahawks, 29 to 20.

And let's be real. It should have been 36 to 13 because the Eric Gray touchdown return was absolutely horseshit. Eric Gray absolutely scored the touchdown and then they returned it anyway. It didn't matter.

Giants won anyway, despite the adversity. Ball don't lie. Unbelievable win. Daniel Jones, best game of a season, offensive, best,

someone point, Dan Shire pointed out, it might have been the Giants best blocking performance in 10 years. I think that might be true. That feels true. And Tyrone Tracy had 129 rushing yards, which is 18 carries.

Most rushing yards in a Giants running back debut ever. See, Hy-Fitz, this is smart what the Giants are doing. Do you notice what they're doing? They know that the quarterback class sucks this year in college. So they're going to win like six games. So they're going to have like the eighth pick in the draft. They're not. And then the third quarterback will be there at the time.

They'll be able to, you know, they'll be able to make the case that they should just take an offensive lineman because the quarterbacks aren't great. Then you start Daniel Jones again or Drew Locke. Then you really tank and you get Arch Manning in 2026. Don't get my hopes up like that. It's beautiful. That actually is the first time I felt good about the Giants in years.

What you just said. If it's like being on a high right now. I don't know. You haven't seen Charlie Wilson's war, correct? Craig, have you seen that movie? The one with the who has the mustache in that movie, Tom Hanks? Philip Seymour Hoffman. Oh, yeah.

Incredible performance. And he, there's a, basically the movie is about the United States getting involved in the Afghan war between the USSR and Afghanistan and basically giving the Afghani rebels all these weapons, blah, blah, blah. And his, Philip Seymour Hoffman's character tells a story. He's like, at the end of the movie, they're all celebrating because they beat the Soviets and blah, blah, blah. the Soviets left Afghanistan. And Philip Seymorovins, like, did I ever tell you the story of the Zen Master and the little boy? And it's like, little boy on his 14th birthday gets a bike.

And everyone in the village is like, hooray, how wonderful he got a bike. And the Zen master says, we'll see. And I'm not going to do the whole thing. Basically, the lesson is like, you have to do the whole thing. Maybe we can get kind of play the clip because it's better when he does it. There's a little boy. His 14th birthday, he gets a horse.

And everybody in the village says, how wonderful the boy got a horse. And the Zen Master says, we'll see. Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg. And everybody in the village says, how terrible. And the Zen Master says, we'll see. Then a war breaks out, and all the young men have to go off and fight, except the boy can't because his leg's all messed up.

And everybody in the village says, how wonderful. And the Zen Master says, we'll see. So you get it? No. No, because I'm stupid. You're not stupid. You're just in Congress. Context is, be careful what you wish for, and don't always jump to conclusions that this is also a good thing.

I thought we've established you want to be losing every game, pal. No, no, no, we have to spin that because if they have the first pick or second pick of the drive this year, they'll be forced into taking a quarterback that will then suck. We did this last year. We did this last year with Tommy DeWittlets. My take from that is Daniel Jones and Mujah Hadin. That's my take. Is that what you're saying?

Pretty much. I got it. Look, I'm not McDermott here, but yeah. I mean, that is kind of the lesson here is that he's a terrorist. No, I don't know. But yeah, yeah, I thought we had established last year when you did this with Tommy Cutlets. You got all into it. You're going to want that pick.

April, you're going to want that pick, pal. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, the only reason I tell you this is because I'm really upset that the Xox lost to your giants. And so I'm trying to ruin it for you. You guys. It was a terrible, terrible game on all accounts. The Seahawks sucks in that game. It's kind of kicked the shit out of you.

Yeah, the Seahs looked awful. I was actually kind of encouraged coming off the Seahawks lost to the Lions last week, mainly because the offense showed a lot of fight. And honestly, like, in the last three or four minutes or whatever it was, the Seahawks offense again showed fight, they probably should have tied it up with that field goal. And then the Giants did some Bush League shit and cheated and got the block. Oh, go on. I'm so glad you brought that up. By cheated, do you mean how Seahawks head coach, Mike McDonald's said that was actually legal per the rules?

Or do you mean how the NFL has already released the statement that that was legal for the rules? He's just being a politician. He doesn't, he doesn't get fined. Your coach and the league have already clarified that that is allowed and other teams can do it the way the Giants did it. Oh, I trust the league when they say that they got it right. Well, your head coach, you said it's legal and explained why it's legal. Dude, you can't stand, you can't jump and force a center down. You literally can. You can. Yes, you can.

McDonnell was talking about the other guy. No, you can. Because it's two separate. It's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it went, they went over the A gap, the gap between the center and the guard, number one. Two, you can hold a player down if all you do is hold them down. You don't grab them by the head. You get, they grabbed them by the pads just held them down and lead down them.

There's too many rules. Football's that done a score. Yeah, that's a dumb sport. I don't actually, I, I'm recusing myself for this because this is the most boring. most boring conversation. You guys won the game. Because you're wrong. Who knows?

You guys won the game. That's fine. There's too many fucking rules. That's fine. You cheated, though. But the CX deserved to lose. You're right. Give the seven points back.

You know, it's fine. You still lost by two points. Okay. Craig, any of the other words? We're so back. Can't wait for April when Hifetz is bitching about how low their traffic is. No, I'm telling you, this is good. I'm playing a long game.

This is the Arch Manning, tanking for Arch. winning and then banking for orange. My hit so over is Breeze Hall. It's over. I don't care. I don't want to hear all the arguments as to why it's not over because it is over. He's declaring it over.

I declare bankruptcy. Like I saw some tweet today about... That should be the name of the kid. I declare bankruptcy. Michael, you know that you can't just say it. That doesn't actually do anything. well it does in this instance

it's over for breeze he had 24 yards rushing over the last two weeks on 19 carries he has 20 more rushing yards in five weeks than he had in week 18 alone last year I don't care I don't care the numbers say that he still gets the majority of the snaps to me it's just like look

Brayland Allen's just as good as him maybe he's even better than him and it doesn't seem like the Jets care who's on the field when if it's fourth and one I saw Braylin Allen in there the final two minutes the game. That to me is like, oh, it doesn't matter. It's like, whoever's feeling good, whoever's got juice.

What is the last time the top three pick and fantasy just had their fucking job stolen? This year, Bejan Robinson was stolen by Tyler Alger. And also Christian McCaffrey just hasn't played. And Jordan Mason has the most rushing yards through five games of any 49er ever. So actually, all three top five running backs this year. McCavery does not count. I know. I'm just saying none of the top three running backs this year are like even kind of starting. I can't believe that there's a 20-year-old,

the youngest player in the NFL, just waltzed in and it's just better than a top three pick and fantasy. Maybe the number one over a picking fantasy. I just, what the fuck? I keep thinking, well, like, first of all, I disagree. I love Brees Hall. I think Brees Hall is really, really good.

However, in this case, it might not matter because I think they're both good. This whole conversation just reminds me, it's over. It reminds me so much of the drill tweet where it's like the wise man bowed his head and said, There's actually no difference between good and bad things, you fucking idiot.

Is that with Charlie Wilson? Fucking imbecile. So 19 carries for 24 yards. That could be seen as good. There's no difference between that in 124 yards? Okay. Correct. Correct.

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Actually, the Saints Dallas Cowboys game is actually, did I say Saints? Steelers Cowboys. I think I'm having a stroke. I don't know what's going on. But anyway, Steelers Cowboys is happening now. So we'll just go on the background.

Oh, he dropped it. Ah, all right. Great throw. Great throw. It's a good throw. Craig, you got to lock in right now. It's very serious. This is serious stuff.

Right now we're going to do a little fart or shart. Craig, just remind people what that means. Do I need to? I think, you know, they know literally what it means, I think. Yeah, we're trying to determine which poor performances of the day were farts or sharts. Yeah.

I think you can read into that and decipher that. Okay, cool. D.K. Yeah. Tank Bigsbee of the Jaguars absolutely dominated the Jaguars backfield and vastly outplayed played Travis E.T.N. today. Do you think from Travis E.T.N. Was this a fart or a shart from Travis?

Travis, TN today, DK. I think it was a fart, but like a really close one, a close call. DK.K. does not dole out sharts. No, he's not a shirt guy. He is very conservative. I'm stingy with white farts.

Sharts, I mean, yeah, yeah. This one was close. The only reason I say it wasn't a full-on shart is because after the game, Doug Peterson was asked about it, and he's like, oh, no, no, no. This is just kind of how the game went. Like, Travis H.T.N. still are a guy 100%. He's not very reliable. if you go back in the history,

I follow a coach speak index, and he has like a whole database of like how reliable coaches are when they talk about like depth charts and things like that. So take that with a grain of salt. However, I think that he was,

and this was something that we saw last year, ETN's still dealing with a shoulder injury. He basically didn't play for like the entire fourth quarter. He had six carries for 17 yards. I mean, this smells like it could be a little more than 4th. I know. I'm giving you context. That's literally exactly what I'm doing.

doing right now is I'm going past the box score. Anyways, I don't think it was a shirt. I do think Tank Bigsby is too good to take off a field, though. And so he's going to get a lot more playing time. He's going to, he's going to, you know, eat into Travis E.TN's early down work, especially. ETN is still their passing down sky. And he's a good pass catcher. Tank Bigsby so far has, like, done almost nothing in the passing game.

So it kind of limits his ceiling. But I think this is a little bit like a Brise Hall, Braylin Allen type of situation where the backup. So it's over for ETIN. Well, you said that. I didn't say that. But yeah. Okay, D.K.

I want to keep it on DK. Because I like making DK have to decide if it's a fart or a shirt. Okay. D.K., the Texans today beat the Buffalo Bills by three points. Nico Collins left the game in the second quarter with a hamstring injury, did not return. Take Dell. C.J. Stroud's best friend in the world had 38 yards. Roommates.

He doesn't have a game over eight fantasy points this year. after Nico Collins left the game, he was fourth in Target Share on the team behind guys like Dalton Shulton, Daria Agumbo Wally. Was this a fart or a shart for Tankdell? This one feels closer to a shart because it just doesn't feel like, this is like the Tony Pollard thing all over again.

I've mentioned this several times during the offseason. He doesn't look the same to me. Has he like flashed any moment in time this year where it's like, oh, that guy is the best. That guy's really good. It's hard because he basically has like two 50-yard plays that just like he dropped. And if those happen, I don't know. I don't know what the narrative is.

Probably not talking about this. Yeah. I have a new memento tattoo. If you break your tibia, if you break your tibb, we do not draft anyone who broke their leg last year. Fibula? That's a new fantasy rule. We will not draft anyone who broke their leg last season.

But no matter what. I think that's like a good rule. Yeah. You're more often going to be. right on that one. We should like resolve to not rank anyone who broke their leg. We have two rules. Don't draft a guy who broke their leg last year. And if you're 39 years old and basically retired and you get plucked off the couch to start for an NFL team, you should go after that quarterback. Yes. Honestly, that alone would probably win you multiple titles. 39 year old pocket passers who won a Super Bowl 12 years ago and not guys with broken legs.

I think that what makes it hard is he's still playing a lot and running a lot of routes and he's still best friends with CJ Stroud. So I'm scared to say this. No, I'm talking about, oh, tanked out still. But I don't know. Like, yeah, I think today was very, very worrisome. How do you plug him in confidently to your starting lineup next week? You don't really, right?

Not unless you're desperate like me. Yeah, hard after the chart to go out there confident. You know what I mean? You can't straight too far. Stop quizzing me on Farts versus Sharts. This is... Well, you just turned 42. I know.

This is discrimination of some sort. All right. Real and spectacular. Someone who is spectacular. I think this one's real and spectacular. Caleb Williams, quarterback for the Bears. Caleb Williams was unbelievable today. The Bears went out.

The Bears absolutely throttled the Panthers, which was not just... I mean, these teams made that trade just like 18 months ago. And now the Bears won 36 to 10. Caleb Williams had 300 and four passing yards. Two-touch. completed 20 of 29 passes. More importantly, game looked totally slowed down for Kaila Williams.

He was doing the scrambles where he looked like his college tape. I think he probably made 12 got like defenders whiff today, like in the pocket. Some really good scrambles. He had a couple of things where he had six yards scrambles on third and six where he made like six people miss. It was unbelievable. But then also Nate Tice had a great breakdown where he,

they called a screen at one point. And he saw the safeties, one safety like moved down. attack it. The other safety rotated over. Just looked to the other side and just threw a touchdown to DJ more, like for 35 yards. Like everything Caleb Williams was doing in this game was right. And then on top of all, the best part, did you guys see the clip where his center was yelling at him and he was yelling back?

I was going to bring that up. Yeah. Oh, my God. And I don't know if it was, we'll decide after. I don't know if it's good enough quality to play in post, but like, because it's Mike, it's someone grabbed the hot mic on Twitter. You explain it because I actually think I'm thinking of something different than you. No, so Caleb, so they had mics on the center.

And so Caleb basically is trying to audible to a run, but it's really a run option where Caleb can throw it. It's like, it's kind of like an RPO, basically. He's going to read what happens in the defense. He has a bubble screen to the right. But the offensive line doesn't necessarily know that part. So he audibles into a run. And his center turns around,

and he's like, we're in fucking fire, man. What that means is they're getting blitzed. But it sounds like they're in saving private Ryan or bandit brothers. And it sounds like they're screaming, Sarge. Like, we're under fucking fire, Sarge. I'm in there. I know I got it. Hiked the fucking ball. And then he just threw it first

out. It was amazing. Yeah, that was great. I like, yeah, I think the really encouraging stuff is that he's, you know, changing plays at the line of scrimmage. He's like showing a lot of those nuanced things where he's like running the game. You know what I mean?

Yes. And this is the first game I thought where he looked completely comfortable and not a little panicky because in the first four games, He had his moments for sure, and there was things to be encouraged about, but there was also times in those games where he was just like, would miss a throw by a mile. And he looked a little bit, like, just too tight. He wasn't, like, playing loose and having fun.

Today was the first game where he was, like, he was having fun out there. He looked like the Caleb at USC kind of guy. He was Dick Winners. He took control today. Right. Also, just like the dynamic of he's, this was his best game as a pro. He's fully ascending into the, NFL and Bryce Young is coming in in mop-up duty after the game as a blowout is like a really

tough, tough situation for the Panthers. Do you think, do you think Caleb did to Bryce Young, what C.J. Stroud did to him after the game? Hey, bro. Keep your head up. You got this still. You got this still. Keep working. Keep working. Keep your head down. Yeah. Intrusive thought. An intrusive thought I had today. is this LSU rookie class trio of Jaden Daniels, Malik Neighbors, and Brian Thomas just as good as the Joe Burrow

Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson trio? I was actually just talking about this yesterday. Last night was my brother on the phone. We were literally talking about this. Like which team was better? It's crazy how close it is. I mean, the other guys are more established, but like, dude, two years from now,

we might look back and be like, it's Daniels and Malik. It's crazy. And I know it's like an insane thing to say because Jamar Chase was amazing today. Justin Jefferson was amazing. Literally Jason and Jefferson are the two best receivers in the NFL full-style. They are. I know.

I know. But I'm just saying, Ryan Thomas is number, first of all, number nine receiver in fantasy, period. And then also, Austin Gale pointed this out, he's top three in yards per route run through his first five games in the 21st century. Wow. That's something. And he's right there with Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. Like Brian Thomas is right there.

He's a real and spectacular candidate as well. Brian Thomas is unreal. And Malik Damers didn't play this week because he literally got knocked out cold trying to help the Giants beat the Cowboys. And that LSU team, the Borough team also had Clyde Edwards-Helair, right? And then Terris Marshall was their third receiver. Oh my God, yeah. The LSU team, I mean, yeah, Randy Moss's son was the tight end. That team is stupid.

But it's kind of weird. Moss's son. I forgot about that. Yeah. It's weird that they also just now have. Jade Tatles and all these guys. We also have one other intrusive thought here. This is a daily double.

Oh. Hey, oh, found the other one. This is from multiple people on Twitter who tweeted us. So we have joked in the past about how if Trump had a nickname for Justin Herbert, it would be hobbled Herbert. Hobbled Herbert. Hobbled Herbert. On the broadcast today from Packers, Rams.

I forget where this came from someone just, no, not three. Someone called, I forget who was announced to the game, Nance. Someone called. Yeah, it was Romo Nance. I get confused because the CBS is NFC now. It's so weird to keep track of. But the Packers kicker, they called him Nervisn. Nervisn.

Nervisn. His name is Brayden Nervisnorson. He missed the game. Nervisen. Also, doesn't Narvison sound like a fake made-up last name? Narvison sounds like a name where if somebody's like, Make up a last name. You have three seconds.

You're like, Ah, Narvison. It's like a Will Ferrell character on S&L. Braden Narvison. Yeah. Like the character, you know,

the Will Ferrell character, the I drive a Dodge Stratus guy? Yeah, that guy's last name. That guy's name is Andrew Narvison. What is the character's name for that, Craig? Because I randomly,

dude, I ran across the name of the guy, you remember dissing your dog, the Will Farrell, like fake commercial from S&L. Oh, what's his name? You're a fucking dog.

His name, I think it's Dale Sturdivant. That is. It is. Dale Sturdivant. Oh, my God. Anyway, so yes, nervous, Narvison. I got to find the Dodd Stratus character's name. Does he have a name?

I drive a Dodge Stratus. Oh, my God. You don't talk about my car that way. Anyway. Do you find it? No, he might not be named. Okay. All right, play of the day.

This was a packed weekend for play of the day. I'm just going to run through a bunch. You guys tell me what you think was your favorite. Kyler Murray throwing up his hand at the 43-yard line on a run that he scrambled for 54. Oh, that was great. Like calling your shot. Second time this year, Kyler has thrown up his hand like Steph Curry style before the player was over. That was incredible.

Lamar Jackson, stiff-arming Trey Hendrickson twice and then throwing a defensive end to the ground and then throwing a touchdown. That was that really incredible. Alec Pierce's crazy catch from Flacco. Dude, Alex, if Garrett Wilson was doing what Alec Pierce is doing, would all be freaking out.

Alec Pierce every single week has either an incredible catch or just like 100 yards and no one cares. We all ignore it. It's like Alan Lazard being good this year. We're all just choosing collectively to set that over there.

I choose not to acknowledge it. Like the all HR team of just the guys that are awesome that we just, no one wants to acknowledge you. Dude, If you drafted Alec Pierce and Alan Lazard, they've outscored C.D. Lamb and Garrett Wilson. Oh.

Craig. Trigger warning with those shits. Granted, C.D. Lam's playing right now, so we'll see. It's outrageous. I'll throw a couple more into the hat. Wait, into the ring. I don't know what the expression is. Definitely throw in the hat into the ring.

There we go. Anyway, Jaden Reed, reaching out and catching. It felt like he closed his eyes. took through his hands out and caught a pass and double coverage for like a huge 50 yard gain. Brock Bowers, Moss to guy and then scored a touchdown. That was freaking incredible. What else do we got? I also just have to shut.

Did you guys see Max Crosby yelling at Bo Nix? Yeah. That was unbelievable. Basically, all the players were asking Bo Nix what the play call was. And Max Crosby just screams, yeah, Bo, what's the answer for us? Speak up, Bo. They don't fucking know. God, Max Crowley.

Unbelievable. Speak up, my favorite play of the day was Wondell Robinson going live on Instagram after the game in the locker room. And on the video, Brian Dayball comes up behind him and goes, turn that shit off. And he goes, oh, no, sir.

And then he turns it off. I love no, sir, too. So he's so nervous. He got it wrong. Yeah, he answered the wrong question. He meant like, are you live on Instagram? No, sir. But he was like,

I'll throw to the hat. I'll throw it a hat in the ring. No, sir. No, sir. Also, I have to, while we're at best play of the day, special category for this week, best celebration of the weekend.

Vanderbilt beating Bama and then tearing down the goalpost, walking the goalpost three miles to Broadway and Nashville and then throwing them in the river. Wow. This is my college is just different. It's never going to, NFL's never going to be that way.

Unbelievable. And also, on the craziest college football weekend, the joke was this was Apple Picking weekend because next week it was supposed to be amazing. Five of the top 11 teams lose. And kudos to those other games. First, the Cal Miami game with the signs that Cal Miami was woke versus Coke.

Yeah. Which was unbelievable. Just out of control. And then what happened in the game? What? Cal was up 3510 and loss. Oh, my God. Unbelievable. But the goalposts into the river,

like it was Lord of the Rings, the two buildings. Unleash the river! Like, Craig won't go. He's never seen the two buildings. But it's just absolutely crazy. I love what people, I love like the way people celebrate. Like, they were just like, it's like, what should we do?

We're so happy. And it's like, rip down the goalpost. Throw it in the river. Like they walked the goalpost across a bridge. And they got to, like, the police escorted them. Oh, I love college towns when it's like when they win it, like if they win a game like this, like for all we know, like Vanderbilt's just going to like shut down class on Monday.

I just like love that shit where sports is like actually the like the most important thing on campus. And if anything cool happens, they will gladly like, you know, pause their academic schedule to celebrate. I just love that shit. Unbelievable.

Yeah. Also, every sign at Cala, Miami game day was funny. But the best one was someone had pulled it up was like, you guys are blocking the library. Which I thought was so funny. All right.

Worst play of the day. I mean, it's Jordan Love doing the, the Will Levis. least he didn't throw with his left hand but it was close to mean just as bad as a Carson Went's play throwing a big six. Love is frisky this year.

Love? Yeah. Someone said Jordan Love looks like Aaron Rogers but he thinks like Brett Farve. Yeah. Which yeah, that's... Love is messy, guys. Love is messy. There you go. My worst play of the day

is Josh Allen definitely getting concussed, missing one play and then just coming back because it was a close game. What the fuck was that? He got knocked out. He did get knocked out. Unless he is, I don't know what survival instinct it is

to brace your fall with the back of your hand, which I have never seen a conscious person, too. Did he do that? Yes, he would, dude. Look, I'm not a, I said a caveat, you're supposed to, you know, see the patient, blah, blah, blah, dude. He was out.

He was knocked out. We actually saw that twice. We actually saw that twice a time. He actually, like a boxer, knocked out on his feet fell down. Josh Allen, I also think, got knocked out. Like, he, again, what is a more basic thing than you reach out with your palm? The back of his hand, right?

I've never seen that. He looked like he was KO'd without getting too much on a, like, you know, soapbox high horse here. The whole reason they have the concussion protocol is it's like, for all the stuff about CT and everything, the second impact syndrome is really dangerous. And the odd, if you get a concussion, you return too soon before your concussion is healed, all that stuff. the odds of injury are so much higher, so much worse, and that's to say nothing of how bad a single concussion is. But there's a reason when you get knocked unconscious,

you should not return to a football game. Like there is a really much higher risk of a serious brain injury. And the idea that they threw Josh Allen back into this game, I have no idea how this concussion protocol works. I don't know what the independent neurologist are doing during the gate. Like, what are they doing? How is this? I don't understand how that's possible to be able.

honestly. He wasn't moving for five seconds and his arms were limp. He was out. And also, it's not even, it's not even smart in a selfish way. Like, even if you're selfish, like, we need to win the game. Like, Josh Allen is your next decade. Why the fuck would you turn him into Tua? It doesn't even make sense from the bill's perspective either, frankly. Also, they kind of lost because they let Josh Allen throw. To be honest, they kind of got what was coming to him. Because, like, if they had just put Mitchell Trubisky in the game, they probably run out at the end of the season. They probably run out those three plays instead of throwing, and they probably go to overtime. Yeah. Yep, that's exactly right. I mean, I think Sean McDermott gets the

Arthur Smith Award for the coach that pissed you off because I thought that that whole sequence of putting Josh back in and then then throwing at the end of the game was the worst coach thing I've seen in years. I think it's one of the most inexplicable coaching decisions I've ever seen. They were on their own three with 30 seconds left and they threw them all three straight times. It was like he thought they were up three and not tied. They threw it three straight deep balls on their own three with 30 seconds left. They punt it back to Houston. Houston gets 10 yards on their return and they're already in field goal range.

I've never seen anything like that. It was the worst, it was honestly the worst clock management the most of you've never played mad at in your entire life thing I've ever seen. Because I get the idea. They're like, if we get a first down, then like we can just end the game. But the idea of like, oh, you're going to let them move the ball with 25 seconds and three timeouts or really 35, 40 seconds three timeouts instead of like 30, seconds and zero timeouts. And guess what happened?

They just, they went up there leisurely. I don't know. It was actually insane and on. Yeah, Stroud was then able to complete a pass over the middle of the field and they could call a timeout and they could hit a 59 yard field goal. Like it was every possible thing the Texans needed to go right was what the bills did. Which is, it's also just weird because the bills have been really run heavy this year. Well, it's also like it wasn't that they passed. It was like the past plays that they called.

It was not like Josh was trying to complete an eight yard or over the middle. he was launching the ball. Maybe because he had very recently been unconscious, like super recently. D.K., also, it reminds me of D.K.'s best take, which is that the goal of all analytics is actually just to get to the point where actual true correct analytics is,

what does the other fan base want you to do? Don't do that. Right. And like what every Texan wanted you to do, whatever Texas fan is, man, I hope they dropped Josh back into the end zone and launch a ball four. yards incomplete right now.

Throw like really low probability of go balls. And they just did that three times in a row. And then the Texans got the ball back and attempted a kick and they won in regulation, which is insane. So anyway, yeah. Congrats. But hey, at least they also put Josh Allen at serious risk of brain injury. So congrats to Buffalo.

Worst referee moment? In the Bill's Texan game, there was the referee that got confused about which sport he was officiating, which is always, you know, making me much more competent. confident in what you're doing when the referee basically announced that I can't remember exactly what he said, but he was like he was wobbling the basketball when he went out of bounds. He must have left basketball too. Clay Martin, he must ref basketball too. I sure hope so because, yeah, he fumbled the basketball when he was going out of bounds.

That is slightly concerning. Should this be the new name of this category? the fumble the basketball the best football the best worst referee moment of the day all right the Lucille Bluth

I don't understand the stat line I won't respond to it word I'm going college I just saw Ashton Jenty the Boise State running back has a thousand yards this season on 91 carries

that's fucking weird dude that guy is like the is that guy going to be a top five pick in the draft I literally DK I wrote

I tattooed on myself this weekend he's a first round pick and I won't let any nerves tell me other way I haven't seen You know why this will be great? You guys can just do the Sequon thing all over again.

The Giants can just get the second pick in the draft. Oh, my God. Take Ashton Jonti and do it all over again. This is actually what I'm hoping. Now, you know what? If the Seahawks losing today, that's what it produces. It will not have happened in vain. I don't give a shit.

That guy's better than Sequin. I don't give a fuck. That guy's the best running back I've ever seen. Honestly, he might be a top five pick, Craig. He's the best running. He's the best running back. I've ever seen in my time. The Bill Simmons Award for the best

running back I've ever seen in my entire life. Yeah, that was Bijon Robinson like a year ago. No, Bijon wasn't as good as Tyler Al Jare. The truth is he's the best running back since Adrian Peterson. Okay. You know what's funny about that? I agree. I mean, he looks sensational.

He looks like unlike anything I've ever seen. He's a career. He's like a my career player. Dude, you know what's funny about just like, I don't know, sports in general recruiting college football? Ashton Jonti was like a three star and he was recruited by Boise he was offered a scholarship

from Boise Air Force Army Cal and Dartmouth Dartmouth Not a single SEC team noticed this guy Like nobody in the big 12 And the big 10 nobody Fucking Dartmouth and Army

Like how do you not recognize If this guy is that good He's the best running back ever And no one knows DK we're gonna I think we have to ask Is Ashton Jent is he the veal chop Of the real life draft

like we said H& was the veal chop of like the highest upside like biggest risk most reward your FOMO if you order it but if it doesn't go right you're really upset would you would you how high could someone take Ash and Gentine this year's draft and you're like oh that's a bad pick I don't know I don't know man it's uh it's October we can talk about that when it gets closer I just I just find it funny when it's like this guy's the best running back anyone's ever seen and it's like oh yeah he got no offers well this this I think this is like a really good example of just like, I don't know. No system is perfect.

Some guys just get really good all of a sudden. You know what I mean? Like coming up through the college ranks, there's some guys they're just like inexplicably good. Some guys are just like, what if I didn't get tackled? Yeah, it's wild. It's actually what's like so much fun about this and why.

Honestly, it's why I love the draft so much is because like you can study, you know, as many guys as you want for like all their snaps and ended up being so wrong on them. It is, you know what I mean? like teams are wrong on them all the time. Like 50% hit rate in the first round.

Like it's just, it's so, like some guys have it. Some guys don't. It's wild to me. And not only that, like he's running behind like a bunch of three star offensive line. They like, he like tore up Oregon who has like four pros on their defensive line. The best, the best description I've seen, and I apologize, I don't remember who said this. The best description I've seen for anybody, but Ashton Jente is someone tweeted every time a defender touches him, it looks like they're being electrocuted. Damn it. That's good.

And it's true. Yeah. So I don't, yeah. It's the averaging 11 yards of carry. It's pretty cool. It's decent. I can't wait to talk about that guy wore. Okay. Two titans who outscored Cal Pitts and a lie. Good week for Carol Pitts.

He had 12 and 5 points. Two Titans who outscored pits and a lie. Charlie Kohler, Tucker Kraft, Brett and Strange. Well, I know Kraft did. I'm going to say Strange. Strange. I'm going to say Strange. Yeah, Brent and Strange. was like a point behind.

Kyle Pitts at 12 and a half points. All right. You know, but even then, even when when Kyle Pitts has like 80 yards, like, all right, well, Kirk gets him through for 510 yards. It's still disappointing. Darno Moody had five times as many points as Calh this week.

He was still the third highest score on the team. Yeah, Darno Moody had like, yeah, Donald Moody had like 25 more points to Kyle Pitts. Dude, you want to talk about like all-time disappointment is like if you were gone, you missed Thursday night, you had Bejan Robinson on your fantasy team. You come home. You're like, overtime, Kirk threw for 509.

They scored 37 points. Bijon must have gone off. Fucking nothing. Seven catches for 88 yards. All you need for Pits to have like a pretty good day in fantasy, not like a great day, but like a decent day is for Cousins to throw the ball 58 times. 58 pastime.

That's like two games from last year's team. Going back through the first round, three games. The first round was an absolute minefield this year. The first 12 picks, there were three good players so far. God, I love fantasy. Okay, burn book

Uh Who you got? I was like three, three quarters of the way through the Jags game and I was thinking about Christian Kirk again And I couldn't remember if we already burned him around We did burn him Okay, so

And then he ended up catching like a 50 yard pass He ended up catching like a 60-something yard pass He had 88 yards today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a good day though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, should we burn Bruce Hall? Well, the burn book has And several people have pointed this out to us over the

last few weeks. The burn book has turned into the by-low book because DeAndre Swift, we burnt him after like two weeks and he's looked. He's had like a change of heart. He looks incredible. He's all of a sudden he's the best running back in the NFL. I don't know what the fuck's going on. I watched him in the first two weeks. He looked awful. He didn't score any points and he looked terrible. And all of a sudden, now he's the best running back in the NFL. I don't know what to tell you. If it will rejuvenate Breeze Hall, I'm willing to put him in the burn book. Mark Andrews even had a good game. That's how, you know, that's how bad the burn book has been this year. Breed. Is it Brees?

It might be Brees. He had two bad weeks. Are we being crazy? Yes. 100%. Should we burn Mark Andrews because no one played him today and he was fine? Have we haven't already? I feel like...

No, we didn't. We burned pits first, I think. Also, he had four catches for 55 yards and Lamar Jackson threw the ball 42 times. Yeah, that's kind of depressing. Rashad Bateman had more yards on the same amount of catches. Charlie Kohler, he wasn't even. even the highest score. He was the third time.

He was the third highest scoring tight end on his own team, Craig. Byrd Mark Andrews. Burn him. Burn him. Mark Andrews, you're in the burn book. I think I'm joking that the amount of routes he's been running is like the tight end three on his own team. And he was literally the tight end three on his own team today.

So pathetic. Yeah, good day though. Yeah. All right. Mark, Andrews. You're in the burn book. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kriks, for producing this episode.

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Yeah. Did they have like other songs? No, they made one. I want to sing to the bottom with you. I don't know that. You know, that was their like original hit. That was their original big hit and then Stacey's mom went big too.

Wow. Went multi-platinum. Yeah, I definitely only know about Stacy's mom. Great song, great music video. They don't make songs like that anymore. They really don't.

I can't explain it, but they just don't. Great. You've had some really random good takes. They need more Williams in football. They don't make them like they used to with Fountains of Wayne. They just don't. Yeah.

Sing to the bottom was a great song. There's movies that feel that way too. You just watch like Breakfast Club and you're like, so we just don't make movies like that. Yeah, I actually agree with that. Maybe we'll make, how has somebody not made the Stacey's mom movie? I mean, I feel like that's been a normal trope for in a lot of movies.

a lot of TV movies. Yeah, the hot mom. Like you ever heard of American Pie? Yeah, but that's not like a side quest. That's not like the main part of the movie. I imagine a movie called Stacy's mom. Honestly, the idea of you is basically just Stacy's mom. Well, have you noticed now that we're in like a weird trend of like every movie now

is like a 55 year old woman hooking up with a 30 year old man? Like Nicole Kidman, Laura Dern, Ann Hathaway, and Hathaway's not 55. But still, we're in like a real hot street. of like old moms looking up with like young men in movies. They're saying we're in the Stacey's mom era actually. They're actually everywhere. Yeah. Constantly making movies about it.

You know, and I guess I haven't seen all of those films. Maybe Stacey's mom is in one of those movies. I don't know. It should be. The idea of you was really good. Did you guys see that? Was it?

Was it? Yeah. How dare you? I thought it was a great. I thought it was a great time. How dare I? It's great. It's like real life Harry Styles fanfic,

but it was fantastic movies. It was a great rom-com. You're a big, fanfic guy. I mean, Big Antathaway guy. Yeah. Well,

you want to Stevie Nix, uh, Twilight play fan fiction. That's not fan fiction. That's like, I want Twilight as a story just set to Fleetwood Mac music on Broadway. It's not fan fiction. But she would have to write new songs.

No. About Twilight. No, I don't want anyone new songs. No, it's a jukebox music. It's like Abba and Mamma Mia. There's no new music. in that and Mamma Mia.

So what album? What album do you want to use? All of her stuff. Rumors, if you want, but all of the music. Like, is Abba in Mamma Mia? Is that one album? It's all of the Abba's music, is it? Yeah, I guess it is, yeah.

Okay. I just, that's what I want the entire Stevie Nix and Fleetwood Mac discography thrown at the Twilight Story on Broadway. That will make money. You know what's funny is I, I floated that past Liz, my wife, who is a massive Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nix fan. And I was like, what do you think about that idea?

And her reaction was, that's a horrible idea that is so beneath Stevie Nix. Are you fucking kidding me? Yo, wait, did you? You think Stevie Nix is going to give all of her music to a vampire movie? Stop, stop, stop, stop. Did you leave out the part in your story? No, I said she loves Twilight. I said she loves Twilight.

Did you leave out the part where she made a song about Bella from Twilight? I said that. And she goes, I don't care. It's completely beneath Stevie Nix for them to use all of Fleetwood Macs music for a fucking vampire musical. And you know what? When she said that out loud, I was like, I kind of agree. I believe it is getting very hard. Yeah.

Things are getting better. If Stevie Nix's lasting legacy on the world is a vampire musical, I don't know. Yeah, she like short on money or what? She makes some bad real estate investments? Would she draft Breeze Hall? Oh. All right, Craig. So you just got a noise complaint in the hotel

and you're at New York? Yeah, I did. So I'm going to keep it quiet. To be honest, I get it. I get it. It's like 11 o'clock on a Sunday night. And the guy was honestly super cool about it. He's just trying to get to work tomorrow, man.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny. He was like, I know you're talking about sports. Like, that's cool. I had to make sure he knew that I was doing this, like, for a job. that I was getting paid. So I was like,

I know I was talking about sports. I was like, this doesn't make it any better. But I do have a podcast, which is like, I'm like, hey, buddy, I was doing it for my podcast.

And he was like, he was like, what podcast? And I was like, do you know the ringer? And he's like, oh, yeah, I know the ringer.

And he's like, okay, cool. So he was very nice about it. Oh my God. That's good. This is the thing we all deal with all the time, which is like, I have a podcast.

Yeah, so like a worse excuse. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. The worst excuse that you could use, actually, it's for my podcast. It's actually a pretty successful podcast. Oh, my God. That's good. It's like, when Jackie's uncle was like, what do you do?

I'm like, I have a podcast. He's like, oh, cool, cool. So like, do you have a job? Yeah. I think that's like the biggest follow-up question I get for whatever anyone, whenever I tell them I have a podcast. They're like, do you do that full time? Yeah.

Wait, so Craig, what, what do you? actually say he knocked out the door it was like please shut up yeah he's like hey dude like i'm sorry to say this but you're being pretty loud in there and it's late and i'm trying to go to sleep and like i know you're talking about sports it's cool and i was like i'm so sorry you're a hundred percent right that was super loud i was doing it for a podcast which doesn't excuse it so i apologize and he was like look honestly like part of me thought it was maybe a podcast and it sounded funny but i am trying to go to sleep i was like totally fair and then he's like what podcast I was like,

Ugh. You should invite you the live show. Are we watchable? You should have been like, you like silence of the lambs? He wants to silence me like the lamb. Can we wear the Craig's skin suit? We should name the breakout the silence of the lamps.

Yeah. He's like Clarice, darling. He's like every day I wake up from the screaming sound of lambs. Every day I wake up from Craig Yell. about Breeshall. It's over. I declare,

Craig just screaming, I declare bankruptcy. It's probably what said him over the edge. Now I'm like thinking back to all the things, I was yelling. Oh my God. No,

I feel like I'm whispering too. Once I started yelling about like Stevie Nixon vampires, I think he was like, all right. I'm going to town. I'm going over there. Good shit.

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