The Ringer NFL Show - Week 7 Winners and Losers, and a Josh Jacobs Apology

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

We recap Week 7 by giving out awards for the biggest winners and losers of the weekend. We play a game called Good or Bad, apologize for our preseason Josh Jacobs advice, revisit the fantasy running back hierarchy, complain about Arthur Smith, marvel at the teams that are better with their backup QBs, and induct our next player into the 2022 Fantasy Burn Book. Check out our Weekly Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi, I'm Issa Kwanga. And I'm Ryan Hunt. And we co-host Stadio, a football podcast, on the Ring of Podcast Network. If you like soccer or football, make sure you search for Stadio, a football podcast on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Your fantasy football show, my name is Danny Hyfitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. Sunday of Week 7 is over. We're going to go through the categories, go through all the vibes of Sunday.

But we've got to start Sunday and football just ended Craig. Kenny Pickett just through two picks to end the game, even though the entire Dolphin's Secondaries seemed like they all got hurt. How do you feel? I'm bummed, man. I have a cold. I was traveling today. I wanted to come home and relax and watch the Steelers somehow pull out a victory like they did last week.

It's tough, man, because I want the Steelers to lose every game so they can get a great draft pick. I do want that. But then you actually sit down and have to watch each game, and it gets close at the end, and you want your rookie quarterback to play well, and you end up white-knuckling it for the final 20 minutes of the game. I don't know. You know, I still weirdly, you know, Pickett has like,

I think he has like eight interceptions on the season. I think like six of them are not really seven. I think like five of them are not a huge deal. I think two are like classic rookie picks. And the other five are just like, that first game, even like a couple were like Helmerys, a couple were tips.

I don't know how I feel about Pickett. They don't ask him to do a lot. And he's good at, I mean, he's good at fitting in the system. Like, he's better than, I mean,

he can do whatever, your average quarterback can in terms of like dropping back hitting the first read on a little button hook or a little slant or a little out. He's perfectly fine at that. When they ask him to kind of improvise and do a little bit more, sometimes he looks great. He had that beautiful threaded pass the Friermouth down the middle of the field

with like 60 seconds left in the game. That was amazing. He was also handling like the two minute drill relatively well moving down the field. I don't know. I came away pretty impressed honestly. Like I look at the stat line, the final stat line, he had three picks. You're right though. The last two were pretty egregiously bad. The second one was really bad. when you didn't see the guy coming across Deontay

and that was a bad pick. This last one in the corner of the end zone I think you could see he was like doing a motion after he threw the pick like oh like he thought Deontay was going to do a back shoulder thing. I think he I think it was a miscommunication, yes. In that, in my mind, that's what you get those miscommunications when you give these starting reps to Mitchell Trubisky for August. And again, the reason we had that argument for so long was Kenny Pickett wasn't even getting the second. It was it was Trubisky as the starter.

Jason Rudolph second and Kenny Pickett was working third. that's not just like an abstract thing. He's not doing the scramble drills with Deontay Johnson. And that's where it pays dividends is you haven't put eight hours just doing that shit in August. And then, yeah, it looks like they're like, oh, I wanted you to be two yards earlier. So I think he looked good, but also like. I still think he looks better than I thought he was going to look.

I still think it's like a net positive on his career so far. I agree with that. When you look at some of the way that some of the second year quarterback are playing. I was watching Zach Wilson today. He just looks out of sorts at all times. I can't get his feet set. Can't throw. They had, I believe, like, one or two

or three passes beyond five yards from the line of scrimmage. To me, when you compare that performance, or like, for instance, what Justin Fields is done this year, when you compare that, what Pickett did today with those guys and how lost they look, to me, I think that's like, oh, this guy actually could have a chance in the league.

Obviously, with a caveat that it's still very early and he's still getting on the same page with his receivers. Like to me, I don't know. I still look at this as a overall net positive, even though, yes, he did throw three picks.

And he lost the game in a very, you know, prime time way. So that's not great. And the narratives are probably going to be that he sucks. But I don't know. I'll be honest. I came away,

like, relatively impressed. Maybe the bar's just too low. He's like stopping people from shifting incorrectly. Like, he seems like he has somewhat of a command of the offense so far. Anyway,

thank you for indulging me on them. There's too many people shifting incorrectly. But the point is, is Kenny Pickett good? is can he pick it bad? We don't know. But that's kind of the theme of the whole NFL right now.

Are people good? Our team's good? We don't know. So we're going to do a game called good or bad? We're just going to simplify. We have no idea what's going on. Yeah.

Just dudes being stupid. Yeah. Don't overcomplicate things. Good or bad. That's our game. I'm just going to start by reading the list of things that I think are good after this week.

You're not any good. Is it just football or anything? Football. You know what? Football is good. bad, but we're starting with good, but in general football is bad. First up, things that are good. We've been watching football

for seven weeks now. We have a solid grasp on things. Now it's time to actually say how we feel about everything. Brett Ripion, just as good as Russell Wilson. Brett Ripon. Ripon. Ripon. Ripon. Whatever. Just as good as Russell Wilson. The offense is just as good.

They had more first downs today than they did with any game with Russell Wilson so far. Jerry Judy looked good. Jerry Judy had the best game of the season. Brett Ripon is ripping the ball. He seems to have a stronger arm than Russell Wilson. He can throw it over the middle of field, unlike Russell Wilson. I think the offense is just as good.

What do you guys think? Well, dude, do you remember last year when DK's just whole bit was the Giants can't score touchdowns? Yeah. He was just like, we didn't give all this nuanced analysis for my emotions to the Giants. He was like, but they can't score. Dude, the Broncos are worse than the Giants were last year. The Broncos have eight touchdowns in seven games. Like, I looked up this list because I was so fascinated by this.

Do you know the teams that have had like eight touchdowns in seven games? We're talking like the Jaguars with Blaine Gabbert in his rookie year. We're talking the Jaguars and Blaine Gabbard's last year. We're talking the Adam Gase Jets. The Jamarcus Russell Raiders were in this range. And then like the dolphins in 2019 who were literally tanking and got in trouble for tanking. Like those are the teams that are in the range of touchdowns that the Broncos have through seven games. I've got a friend who's a Broncos fan.

And the vibes are atrocious. The Broncos are down atrocious. right now. Like, it's, there's not a worst team in terms of vibes purely of any team in the NFL.

They, by the way, they gave their first pick, the first, sorry, their first round pick to the Seahawks next year, which would be the six pick

if the season ended right now. So that's not great. That doesn't help anything. It feels NBA-esque. I feel like this is just not something that happens in football so much where a team trades away their pick. And we're like,

is this going to be like a top five guy? Like, you know, like, that, I feel like this is just not as much of a thing in football. Also, Russell Wilson has a,

well, I think all strains are somewhat torn, but he has what is being described as a torn hamstring. Like, he might not even be back next week. We'll see, of course, because of the nanobbles and all that. And the hyperbaric chambers. The nano bubbles? You know, Russell Wilson with his nanobbles.

Oh, is that like the water he sold? Yes. Well, he uses one of the four bedrooms in his 20,000 square foot house to have a nanobble station. Did we ever, like, get an answer on why he had 12 bathrooms and four bedrooms? We never did. No. that's this one of those things we'll never hear

the other thing is I just want to mention this and I think it's just kind of honestly really crazy to think about I'm pretty sure the Broncos have been booed in every single home game they've played this year like we're gonna keep the street going can they can the home field boo this team every single week that they booed them until

they get as many touchdowns as Russell Wilson as bathrooms it's just it's terrible Broncos are bad but Ripin's just as good other things that are good you know what every time the Texans every time I watch the Texans I'm like the Texans aren't that bad You know how many offenses are just miserable in the NFL? And every time I turn on the Texans game, they're like kind of close. And I'm like, ah, Texans somehow hanging around.

Every game, they score like seven of the final score. They have better offensive EPA than the bucks and the Rams. I know they're not good, but they just seem competent. Are the Texans good or are the Texans like going to see a movie that everyone told you was bad? And then you're like, well, it's fine. That's like, that's like Pacific Rim for you. Everyone was like terrible movie. And you're like, yeah, they didn't mind it.

I think it's just because Damien, Pierce is fun to watch, maybe? I don't know. They're just like, they can move the ball. They were down, like, by 20 on the charges a few weeks ago. They came back and tied it. They were in the Raiders game for a while. The Texas are just not that bad. Next on my list of things that are good.

Taylor Heineke, he's good. I think you could make an argument all these things have been bad so far. No, no. Is Taylor Heineke good, or do you just have Terry McLaurin and you're just mad? No, they're good. They just beat the Packers. Carson Wentz is miserable. No, they're good.

And the commanders look. like an actual football team today. And I like Taylor Heinecke last year. He almost beat the bucks in the playoffs last year. I like Taylor Heineke. The entire offense had a good day. Brian Robinson 80 yards. Curtis Samuel 80 yards. McCorren. Best game of the season. Tonyo Gibson 80 yards

in a touchdown. And Heineke's a pit bull out there. I love it. I love He He's the irrational confidence guy. He looks like a pit bull, literally. They were done 14 to 3 today against Aaron Rogers. He won. I thought that was super figurative. I like that you're like, no, Literally.

He is a pit bull. Anyway, so that's my, that, Taylor Heineke's good. Next up, Daniel Jones is good. I have fantasy football and real football. This is actually, this is actually a good take, I think. Yeah, maybe it's really just a secret Brian Dayball is good take. Dabs, as I guess Giants fans are calling him. Yes.

Dabes, I've heard it both ways. Neither do you run TikTok, but there's this one guy who's dad, his kid's dad is like a professional chef or a former professional chef, and his whole TikTok page is, He gets like TV dinners or lunchables or like really cheap food options, and he has his dad make gourmet meals out of them. And that to me is what Brian Dayball is doing with Daniel Jones and the Giants right now. But you know what?

They're good. Daniel Jones, QB2 today, QB9 on the season. He ran for over 100 yards. It was amazing. Daniel Jones is good. He's the first Giants quarterback with 100 rushing yards since I believe 1946. He and Barclay both went over 100 yards. That's good, though.

Brian Dable is just making Michelin Star meals with lunchables. That's actually a really good take. There was one play in particular where I think it was a it was like a read option or whatever. And I thought he had given the ball to Sequin. Sequin got blown up like behind line and skirmish. It was like, oh, that play didn't go anywhere.

Then all of a sudden, Daniel Jones is just running free. It was like the best fake play I've ever seen in my life, like fake handoff or whatever. Yeah, he looks really good right now. He's playing confident. And I think like Craig was saying, and alluding to here is he's doing it. with like a bunch of randos at receiver, right?

Like obviously he's got Barclay, which is great. But Darius Slayton, Wondale Robinson, someone called Chris Meyerrick. Is that his name? Chris Meyerrick? That's a tight end because that's a tight end because Daniel Bellinger. First of all, the tight end Daniel Bellinger got hurt. Our right tackle of aeneer got hurt.

And then the backup left guard, Ben Breddison got hurt in this game. Yeah. And I think that all happened in the first half, I think. Maybe one of the guy I'm hitting the third quarter. But they mounted this fourth quarter comeback without those three guys starting, never mind that they're already down three starting receivers. This is crazy.

This team is just a bunch. And the defense is the same thing. It is a collection of people that even people who follow the NFL have never heard of. And they're just six and one and they're tied for the most wins in the NFL. I don't think there's ever been a team. And this is possible in like the internet era. I don't know if there's ever been a team with the most amount of wins in the NFL that people could name fewer of the people on the team.

Yeah, in New York. It's crazy. It's a team that plays for New York. It's nuts. Fabian Moreau is like the freaking incredible cornerback. He was not on the team three weeks ago. Daniel Jones is averaging the second most

rushing yards per game at the quarterback position. He's only behind Lamar. He's averaging more rushing yards in the game than Jalen Hurts. Holy cow. He's averaging 49 rush yards a game. I love this. Yeah, I think Jones, I think the Jones, I think

that Jones, it certainly feels like the last week we'll ever put Daniel Jones by Matt Ryan in a weekly ranking. I'll put it that way. Okay, I have a couple small little tidbit guys who I think are good and then you guys can add yours. Tyler Algier, I just think he's good. I watched him a lot today. Tyler Algier is good. I think he's the best runner on the Falcons right now and I would buy low on him. Whatever. I don't even know if his stock is low technically because he just kind of does the same thing every single game. But I think Tyler Alger is actually good. We liked him a bit more in the off season than we did now because Cordarell kind of held on to that job. But I think Taylor-Eleger's good.

Yeah. I like that. I like that. He's frisky. Last but not least. George Pickens, dude. Yeah. He is actually a top 10 receiver in the league.

He's not good. He's great. No, he's great. That's not true. Yes, it is. Top 10. If he just replaced Jamar Chase, how different are his stats? If he just plot him on the Bengals, he's putting up 90% of the stats, Jimar Chase's.

He will be a top 10 receiver by the end of next year. you have to forget remember that the top five is like cooper cup justin jefferson tyree kill davante adams like he's not close tyrie he's not close to any of those guys well that's like four top ten at the end of next year top ten like keep going keep going on that list stephan digs okay could go is tony i'll concede on those five let's go the next micris myerick the jones mike evans chris godlin he's just as good as mike evans oh my god come on i think it's a T. Higgins? Do we say that already? DK, it's a bit. You don't have to actually name the 10.

DK. McCaff? It's really not, though, man. Every time that guy... I'm on Ra? I don't know why he doesn't... They need to give him 12 targets a game. Anyway, do you guys have any other things that are good? Dude, the NFC East. Good. It's 20 wins.

NFC East is incredible. Yeah. The best division of football by like a lot. This is a low-hanging fruit here. But Ken Walker, the third. He's very good. Yeah. That's all I got to say.

Also, we have not, talk about a Glansberg as an entity, but the Jets are good. Yeah. Jets defense is good. I think Zach Wilson is bad, but the Jets are good. Yes. Like the Jets are five and two. Just going to throw that out there. I mean, this is the best New York year right now.

I don't know how long. I mean, the Yankees, it's the seventh inning. The Yankees are about to get swept by the Astros. So thank God it's a football town, though. Okay. anyway. What things are bad? What things are bad? Yankees are bad. Yankees are bad.

The Bucks are fucking bad. The bucks are straight up right now. Texans bucks. Who you got? What's the spread? Bickham? No. No. They just lost to Mitch Chubisky and PJ Walker.

Okay, you're right. That's true. This was crazy. I feel like last week we were like, wow, Tom Brady, loses to I can't even keep track. Tom Brady loses to Trubisky the Steelers

and Aaron Rogers and the Packers lost to Zach Wilson and the Jets and we're like well that's rock bottom and then holy shit they both did worse

this week. Taylor Heineke and PJ Walker. This is like the embodiment. This is the embodiment of my theory that like never ever

say things can't get worse. DK, you are so right about that. As Homer Simpson would say, worst day of your life so far. there is no bottom.

Well, dude, to be clear, PJ Walker, four-string quarterback for Carolina in early August. He couldn't throw past the line of scrimmage last week. Dude, literally one pass past the line of scrimmage last week. Christian McCaffrey traded away, and they still gave up 180 yards combined Hubbard and Foreman today. And then Robbie Anderson traded away. So they're the fourth-string quarterback and they got rid of Christian McCaffrey,

and then Robbie Anderson had led the team receiving. And they beat. And also, it was 21 to 3. And even if we give him that Mike Evans touchdown on the first, like, drive that should have been touched on, 21 to 10. Panthers. The worst team in the NFL. By far. Like, by far.

What's the deal? Like, are we just like, do we think Brady's just mentally checked out at this point? Like, what is going? Like, this is a, this is a catastrophe of a season for Tampa Bay. Todd Bowles said, wait, I got to find the exact quote. Todd Bowles, speaking of it can always get worse, this is about as dark as it's going to be right now. Jesus. It's a quote from the head coach of the Tampa Bay Box.

Did he also follow that up with like basically if you're old and you're on this team, like watch your back? Because we're going to start playing guys that are actually better if you're not performing and stuff. Essentially he's saying, like, we're going to see what some of these young guys can do if the old guys can't get it together. Or, you know, I'm paraphrase. He said the young guys got to prove they belong. But yeah, no, the whole thing's just been a disson. disaster, but then the Packers, too. By the way, they're in first place in the division.

Okay, well, so are the Falcons. So you're going to throw that out when you yelled Arthur Smith later? Falcons, first place, Atlanta Falcons in the NFL. Well, I mean, I don't know. I'm looking at the actual rankings right now the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are ahead of them. I don't know what the tiebreakers are. Maybe it's a... It's running back carries.

It's like how much you do not give the ball to your tight ends. That's the time break. Correct. Okay, so the bucks are bad, right? Yeah, and we can just stick with this. I mean, it's pretty much the entire NFC. Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers is bad and the Packers are bad.

They're three and four. They didn't have a third down conversion today for the first time since 1999. Jeez. Dude, Y2K was going on. They're like people who were wondering about Y2K. Literally who was good in the NFC. There are the Philadelphia Eagles and then give me another team. Like actually good.

I think the Vikings are pretty solid. The Vikings defense like low-key sucks and no one's figured this out yet. Yeah, but they can score points. I think the depth of the flaws in the teams is more incredible than any year. Honestly, I don't know about you guys. Do you guys have a lot of fantasy leagues that are this way? I actually feel like I have a lot of leagues where there's one team that's like seven and one or six or six and one, I guess. And then every team is either like four and three or three and four.

And the real NFL feels the same way this year. Like to your point, Craig, like if the, let's just say for a moment, the bucks don't win the NFC. South. The Falcons, the Panthers are the same. are going to make the playoffs and win the division. Like the Seahawks are winning the NFC West. Like, if the Packers don't get a wild card, the NFC might send three teams.

There are five teams in the NFC right now with a positive point differential. Oh, and three of them are in the NFC East. Yeah. So it's the Eagles, Giants, Cowboys, Vikings. Can you guys guess who else is? The last one? I knew, I had this written down too.

I know this. Eagles, Cowboys, Vikings, Giants, Eagles? You said Eagles twice. Go ahead, who? 49ers. The Super Bowl is going to suck because, it basically, unfortunately it can't be Bill's chiefs in the Super Bowl.

Those are clearly the two best teams in the league. Basically, the sanctity of the Super Bowl rests in, like, Jalen Hertz's ankle. Like, we just basically need Jailen Hertz to stay healthy for the rest of the season and we'll have an interesting Super Bowl. But if he sprained his ankle in, like, week 17, we're screwed. And the Super Bowl is going to have a spread over seven points. Big picture where I think this is obviously going is that the bills will make the Super Bowl and the AFC and we're all going to be like, thank God the only good team made it.

And then just some shitty NFC team will just beat them. Like some terrible. Like the New Orleans Saints will like win the NFC South and then just Tassam Hill will beat the bills in the Super Bowl. We'll have to live with like the seven and ten saints. Okay. I have one last one last thing that's bad. Brandon Staley. Brandon Staley is potentially ruining.

Justin Herbert's career, is the narrative going to start flipping on Herbert soon? Because it's been pretty bad for a while now. And they don't throw the ball downfield at all. It's like seeing a shooting star to see Herbert throw a ball over 20 yards now. Well, are you blaming Staley or Herbert? It's tough, right? Because we're a fantasy football show. So we judge the numbers and we judge how many points the guy scores for your team. He was actually a fine today. I guess he had some garbage time. But the eye test is brutal. And he's 27th in yards per completion. 27th in the league. Justin Herbert, who has the top three arm in the league. And they just lost Mike Williams. It's becoming like really stagnant the offense. The checkdowns are getting ridiculous.

Yeah. I'm looking at his air yards per attempt. He's down there near the bottom, 37th out of 44 qualified quarterback. What are we doing? Yeah. Well, here's the thing. So I do the NFL show on Fridays with Stephen Rees and Seleck, and Stephen always goes apoplectic because basically Joe Lombardi, it's great, it just sounds great, it's wonderful word. But Joe Lombardi, who we used to be this in New Orleans, is basically treating Justin Herbert like he's Drew Brees, except that he's like six inches taller. But like 39-year-old Drew Brees. Exactly.

Here's what I'll say in defense of them. This is like an organizational issue for a bunch of reasons. One, Ray Sean Slater, the left tackle, you know, is out, right? for possibly the entire season. And the right tackle was already probably the worst one in the NFL. And they've gotten some injuries on the interior too. That's one. Two.

And Justin Herbert's interior has been injured quite literally. That's what I was going to say next. Justin Herbert's fucking has a rib injury. And while we have forgotten about it, rib injuries don't heal. Like if someone has broken ribs or rib cartilage, whatever, that doesn't heal during the season. It's a pain manage, pain tolerance, and then it heals in the off season. So they also have like the slowest group of,

players in the NFL, like at receiver. They, like, I really think if you look at every single skill group in the NFL, the chargers are the slowest. On top of that, Keenan Allen, again, as we've said, Brian at Robinson got shot and came back quickly than Keenan Allen did. And then that's kind of me to say, but it's true. And then Keene Allen came back. Mike Williams is out.

I will give 10 points to Gryffindor, if you guys can name who all the receivers were playing in this game when Mike Williams went out. DeAndre Carter, Josh Palmer, Keenan. Josh Palmer was out. Jalen Gaiton's out I would do two fucking charges receivers and a lie Something Moore

Yeah Jason Moore or something Jason Moore I think it was Jason Moore Jr. And then a guy named Michael Bandy Who I don't think is Yeah

That's just playing for this team And I'm just saying You put all this together And it basically like They can't have Herbert back too far for too long because if he gets sacked His internal organs could explode

And we'll be really mad at them But he can't do the quick game Because these people can't get open it's the whole thing was built wrong. They need speed. He's a huge arm. Get fast people. Their bias in two weeks and it couldn't come sooner.

But I have no faith in this team at all. They're one of the most boring offenses to watch the NFL. All your points are right, high fits. But like you can still throw the ball deep on a three-step drop. Like you can still throw the ball down the sideline. I don't know. Yeah, it's not good. It's not, to be clear.

But I think you're right. The charges, I mean, we've also been injured. JC Jackson got hurt today. They're just banged up, as always. Anyway, okay, so that's good or bad. Any other good bads? Bad goods? All right.

I'll have a mea cult with them. Okay. The Arrested Development Job Award, I've made a huge mistake. I will give to myself for Josh Jacobs. Wow. It's not going the way that you planned it. For those who are blissfully unaware.

For those who are blissfully unaware, I kind of made Josh Jacobs my little stand in for the entire epitome of like, I don't know. It's not just don't draft Josh Jacobs. It was like, why would you ever draft Josh Jacobs? Wow. I am now the Da Vinci Code. You know the guy in the beginning of the DaVinci Code is just like whipping himself?

Self flagellation? Yes. I'm just like sitting there and like, please father. So my bad. That's the tough part about fantasy is you can get like a hundred things right. Let's say that you did. I think you probably did get around 100 things right this year. If it's you're very good at this.

But at the same time, if you get one thing wrong loudly, it's very hard to enjoy the other wins. I'll take that ratio. I only got one thing wrong. Yeah, that's exactly the hell. You know what I mean. When you get something wrong, you're reminded of it for 17 weeks. You're wrong for three and a half months. It reminds me of losing a trade.

Like, this is the same emotion you have when you trade away someone and he does amazing. And then your guy gets hurt. Like, it's the same family of an emotion. If you miss a call as like a fantasy analyst like we do, it's the exact same emotion. It's like, fuck, I really should not have traded that guy. Can I tell you guys something? This is way more supportive than I thought. you guys are so

to be fair you're not the only one that was we were relatively low on Jacobs too like we should have been high Craig was higher on Jacobs than I like by a lot yeah well because remember

what did we say that like we were like against Jacobs and then like I was too like you got too into it I got a little extreme and then Craig's like I'm just the Romney Jacobs guy it was getting out of hand

like it started to snowball he's getting riled up in like mid July we were like yeah I don't know Jacobs like I don't love him in the fourth round. And by like late August, we were like, he's the worst running back in the league. It's like when a dog, it's when a dog gets the zoomies.

Yeah, it was like stop the steal. High Fitz got the zoomies when it came to Josh Jacobs. He just couldn't help himself. Credit to Josh Jacobs, though. So he is the number two running back in points per game right now. It's literally Austin Echler and Josh Jacobs. He's number two. He's number two in, uh, yards, rushing yards per game.

He's number two in yards per carry. And just straight up snap rate. Like how often is he on the field of my running backs? It's like Sequan and it's Josh Jacobs. And I think fundamentally that's why I was wrong. It's because like when the Raiders came in, again, the first thing the Raiders did and like probably set way too much of my belief in this situation was that they acquired through running backs and declined Josh Jacobs's fifth year option. They were literally like, we don't think Josh Jacobs will be worth $8 million in 2024. No, thank you.

And so probably overrated how much they wanted to pay him later as a reason to think about how much he'd play now. They're playing them more than John Girton did. That's blowing my mind. But he's also just straight up better. Like yards after contact, not quite, but he has almost doubled how many yards getting after contact, which totally matches the eye test because he's just running mad. Like he's, he's, he has, he leads the league unofficially and you know when they grab the jersey and the jersey stretches out really long? The 12 yard jersey stretch? Yeah.

Yeah, it looks like the wedding cars driving way and they got the streamers. He leads the league in that, I'm sure. Good call. Contract here. he's running exactly like a guy who had a new employer come in and say we don't want you anymore you know what I mean like he's like pissed this is uh I'm it's gonna be actually very fascinating to see going forward like what comes of his career because obviously if he can stay healthy throughout the rest of the season he's still like 24 years old he's still young crazy young and like if he's gonna obviously running backs don't really get huge deals anymore but we see for instance with the Christian McCaffrey trade which we're going to talk about, by the way, it happened over the weekend. Like, teams still do value highly running backs, you know, relatively highly, at least compared to last year or the last era of football.

So I don't know, it's going to be interesting to see if he gets a big deal. If he stays with the Raiders, if he goes somewhere else, you know, from a dynasty perspective, I'm like, man, is he a guy to go chase after right now? Are you buying high and then he's going to go somewhere else and be in like a committee? Or is this the next superstar and fantasy? That's kind of like, I think it's one of the most interesting storylines in football right now. Well, that's where we're at, right? It's like, who are the best running backs in the NFL right now?

The best eight to ten running backs right now, like if you had to pick eight guys who you needed to start next week in fantasy and get the best possible performance you could, to me, right now, here's who I think of the top eight. Sequin, Josh Jacobs, Nick Chubb, and Echler, relatively standard there than Josh Jacobs. And then I truly think it was Breeze Hall

before he got hurt. It looks like he tore his ACL, unfortunately. Then it's Kenneth Walker, Damien Pierce, Ramandri Stevenson. To me, like, that is the elite eight right now at running back. Well, I, I, first, Christian McCaffrey on the Niners, I think has to be in there. Well, we just don't know yet. I mean, we do obviously do, but like, we haven't seen it. So it's hard to put him there.

Well, I, we can talk about him in a second. But also, Aaron Jones was pretty incredible today. But I guess you're talking about, like, he's been very hit or missed this year. I do not feel the same way about him as I do, like, Kenneth Walker or Damien Pierce. But Aaron Jones, every time he, there's like, when they have the ball, do they still have the juice? Like, in the, when you're watching the NFL. But then there's fantasy next week. need to win or I'd die.

Aaron Jones is not on that list. But where they had the ball in their hands, I'm like, why the hell don't the Packers give Aaron Jones the ball? But that's my point. I mean, Aaron Jones has put up 9, 4, 9, and 5 in four games. But look at this list you have of the guys you don't have. You're talking about Jonathan Taylor, Aaron Jones, Dalvin Cook, Camara are just firmly like not on that list.

I stand by it. I don't feel as good about them as I do the other guys. I kind of agree. I mean, the only guy that I would like that really is glaring to me is Taylor. And I don't know what to do with it. I don't know if I necessarily completely agree with you because he has been very, you know, underwhelming this season. But to me, in terms of like pure talent as

a runner, I would still put him in the time. But I'm not talking about talent as a runner. I know that you're, I know that your definition or whatever the way that you made this list is slightly different than that. But to me, that's the only one. Because Alvin Camara to me is like a top five talent. Right. But the Colts are dust. The Colts last week we thought, like, their offensive line is

communicating better and that they just played better. Matt Ryan stopped doing stupid shit. And like today Matt Ryan once again had two plays. that are more like what Kenny Pickett should be doing on Sunday Night Football and not like what Matt Ryan should be doing when he's almost on AARP. So the cults, I don't know why they're not going to be able more. Okay, but I think you're right.

There's a total landscape shift and we had discussed this a lot coming to the season of like this weird age. And it's just a lesson that Leo DiCaprio's right. Like once the running back's like 26. Jeez, that's rough. I thought you were going to say Leo's right. No hard drugs and no superhero movies. Did you hear that?

That was advice he gave to Timothy Chalame when he met him at a back. Is it really? Yeah, he said no superhero movies, no hard drugs. Is Dune a superhero movie? He's like telekinetic powers? Doesn't count. It's like sci-fi.

Also, I don't think Leo de Capri is right. But he is about running. Leuricapro will be good at fantasy football, is my point. Listen, Leela hasn't been wrong very often, so. Well, I guess you would have missed out on Sequin and Echler then, and Shub. Yeah. I'm already getting excited to do rankings for next year. We should, at some point in this season,

we should do future rankings. I think that would be a fun episode. Like ranking the next year's top 10 for running packs. D.K. says for his 25 dynasty teams. I mean, I just think it's interesting to think that far ahead. Who knows? Yeah. Anyway, good list. All exciting players. Kenneth Walker, amazing.

The injuries today, we should also pour one out. The injuries today were Brutobreeze. Hull, D.K. Metcalfe. We don't know the deal with him yet. Mike Williams. Mike Williams has an ankle sprain. David and Joku left on crutches. He had something with his ankle. Maybe he's all right. I didn't see the Metcalf one. Did it look bad?

Well, I got carted off, and my first thought was, is he going to poop? Right, that was the fear. And especially because he was, he like, you could see him whisper, or not whisper, you could see him, you could lip read that he says, I'm fine to somebody when he's like driving off on the cart. What I understand has happened. And again, this is Sunday night, so we don't know exactly what's happened yet. And the vibes, I guess, in the locker room after the game were that he should be okay,

or at least they don't think it's anything crazy serious. But he landed on it. weird it kind of like went in like his knee went in a little bit and i guess he just told like the team doc whatever on the sideline that it just didn't feel right something was off with his knee so that's why they took him out because they just didn't want to do anything to like you know make it worse um but he seemed to be in good spirits after the game this is what uh brady henderson was reporting for yespn so i don't know we're gonna have to see i really hope obviously that it's not a season ending deal um but right now we just don't know okay so something we didn't get to talk about on our thursday show

but happened in Thursday night football is the Christian McCaffrey traded the Niners. He was kind of quiet today. He only had eight carries, 38 yards, and a couple of catches. But this is crazy. So the Niners traded a second, a third, a fourth,

and next year's fifth for McCaffrey after they've already spent all these like third rounders and pick some of the running backs that littered in their roster. But I have no interest in like first doing the running back. I think this is really cool. Like I'm not going to lie.

call me a sap. When I watched him kind of trot out in like the like the glistening sun, the October sun hitting in the gold, I was like, this is legendary and he's going to be incredible. I am such a sap. I thought this was like, I remember thinking like this is going to be the most legendary second half stretch I'll ever remember. Yeah. I had a 49ers friend, Kyle Madsen, who does a lot of coverage of the 49ers.

And he texts me, he's like, what's your, what's your reaction to this? I was just like, probably highly irresponsible. the 49ers in the long run, but super fun. Especially when you consider he's on, he's got Devo Samuel, George Kiddell, Brandon Ayuk, who's still breaking out and like turning into one of the better receivers in the NFL, and McCaffrey, like this is insanely fun. Like, we should just definitely keep that in mind when we talk about all. It's easily the best four athletes of any team.

Yeah. Like it's not even close. Yeah. It's just like so, it's such a cool combination. And I don't think we need to read too much into what he did today because obviously it's like three days after he got traded. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I don't know. It's going to be a lot of fun. watch from a fantasy point of view. It kind of makes things a headache because there's just less touches to go around to everybody now. But yeah, from a pure football point of view, it's fun. No, watching this game, though, I got to say, if anyone's like even a little like, we're not sure.

I think the only question is health. Watching this, the whole, like, the holes that the 49ers create are so large. And McCaffrey, even just the way he was dicing through. everything that happened from Carolina did kind of always look a little difficult. And for the first time, it was like he was just getting

like easy eight yard chunks. And I just remember thinking like, our whole thing with Shanahan, we've been watching this with like sixth round picks for years and years and years. And it's like this is literally maybe the most talented player on offense and football, arguably.

I think this is going to be crazy. Every moment they tell you it. It's definitely super fun. I don't, the only thing I want to throw out there, which is, you know, obviously kind of, it's like being the bummer guy,

the Debbie Downer, the whole situation is like, it's always funny to me how these teams that have a lot of success with late round picks and like undrafted free agents and they can just plug those guys in every single year,

they always seem to learn the wrong lesson. Like, hey, we could do this with six rounders and UDFAs. Let's trade four picks for this other guy instead. You know what I mean? Like, that's always the wrong,

it's the wrong lesson. I mean, I'm not like actually knocking them because I think McCaffrey's like, Why, you've been losing in the NFC championship? I don't know. I don't think it was.

I kind of wonder if they did it because Jeff Wilson freaking fumbled in that last game, man. It's like the final straw. He got benched. Yeah, I kind of do things. Because I'm sure for them it's exhausting to have to train all these running backs.

The reason I think that there's so many, it's hard to predict of who comes out of that Niners backfields is like, you have to do it exactly the way they want it. Like, there's no freelancing. And I am kind of curious how that goes. But I do think McCaffrey's going to get like almost all their steps at running back and he'll be spelled by Wilson

and Debo get carries. I think this is going to be crazy. The, you know, like how people always do that they tweet out the jersey swap things, like right when the trade happens? Like McCaffrey legit looks really good in the 49ers uniform. It's just like, I don't know. He's got me in the Stanford Red, you know? Yeah.

He looks great. This is cool. I kind of like, look, they're running back and the value in the trade, we can get to that other day. Like, this is freaking awesome. Okay. On the other hand. Yeah. National tight ends day.

National, here's my, here's my category. National tight ends day. does the dead dove bit. I don't know what I was expecting from National Tight Ends Day. Mark Andrews on National Tight Ends Day, zero catches. That's cool. The only three tight ends court touchdowns today. George Kittle.

Wow. You know, that's chalk, I guess. This is the first of the year. Peyton Henderson, I guess it's not really chalk. You're right, but he's one of the better tight ends in the NFL. Peyton Henderson shot. Do you know who he is? yes because

Dallas I know only because the Giants played the Cowboys Okay and then Tommy Trembal for the Panthers those are the three

tight ends that's Cortezons today did I miss anybody I hope I don't miss anybody at that like I think that's pretty representative of like what happened

on National Tight End Day you can throw in Joanne Johnson and Taysam Hill from Thursday night so that makes it a little bit better I guess if we're doing tight ends week

but yeah just this is classic national tight ends day It's just, it lived up to our expectations and more. Yeah, I'd like to reprise our Kyle Pitts game. Today we're playing, instead of three tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts and one who didn't, I'm doing 10 tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts and one who didn't. I'm going to read you 11 tight end names.

All real NFL active players who outscored Kyle Pitts. One didn't. I'm going to run through all 11. You tell me at the end. Cade Otton, Jordan Aitkins, Tommy Trembal, Brock Wright, Armani Rogers, Greg Dulcich, Cole Turner, Colby Tomlinson, Eric Tomlinson, Chris Meyerick, and Mitchell Wilcox. Mitchell Wilcox? Only one of those people did not outscore Kyle Pitts today. Is Brock Wright Tom Hardy's character in Venom?

Brock Wright. Is this a trick question because it's Colby Parkinson for the Seahawks? Sorry, no. So Colby Parkinson, I missed typed that. It's just so forgettable. Who is Mitchell Wilcox? That's not real. There's nobody named Wichael.

He was on the bagels, right? Is he really? Mitchell Wilcox did outscore Kyle Pitts today. Oh, my God. Is this another? Don't tell me that Chris Meyer did it. The Giants, the backup. Oh, no.

Did they all do that? No, it's actually, Cole Turner, the tight end for the commanders, did not outscore Kyle Pitts today. I like how you keep us on our feet. I was 100% expecting you to be like, trick question they all outscored. Dude, Kyle Pitts, so I text to you guys, here's the, here's like, this is the one where I wondered if we should,

if you should drop Kyle Pitts. I don't even know what to say. He did, he did have a catch on the one yard line that was almost a touchdown, but he like cut it in the end zone, but he babbled it and then he fell. And they also threw him one and he just got, he got the,

where they, we need an NFL or a fantasy hockey assist for when the receiver get you the 20 yards to the end zone, but they get the DPI. And he got, he got like blatantly pass interfered with. But once again, the problem is he had four targets, but they only threw it 13 times. So he still has like 25% of targets. Yeah. Actually, hold on. Drake London had like one catch.

He's like their first, he's the first receiver ticket in the draft. It's like he doesn't exist. They were now 21 points. And they didn't throw. That's the thing. It's like this whole time when the Falcons were like in it. it made sense. JJ Zach recent tweeted this.

The Falcons ran 45 plays today. 41 of those 45 were when they were trailing by 10 or more points. That's wild. And they still only drop back to past 16 times. That's, that's wild because that's really crazy. Because that's the thing. This shows their cards.

Like they're never going to throw, ever, unless Mario de gets hurt. This is what I'm talking about. You guys last week were like, oh, I like Carson Smith. I like this guy. This guy is, you know, he's tough. He likes to run the ball.

I said that they were, you know, he's got the scheming. Like, is this your king? Come on. Arthur Smith, offensive genius, losing by three touchdowns all game and 13 total pass attempts in the game. Joe Burrow had 344 passing yards and three touchdowns at half time. They threw 25 times and ran it five times in the first half. The Bengals did.

Oh, by the way, Falcons, first in the division. Time. Tom Brady. But here's the deal. like honestly this is the problem with this dumbass establish it game plan like if you fall behind you have no you have no recourse you don't have any solutions to that and this defense is so it's so banged up this defense is bad it's really really banged up right now don't fall behind it's like like true never get never been sick perfect to meet system don't need antibodies no i think

that he's actually an incredible coach i'm not going to lie this is like august 20th this was the worst roster in the NFL if $70 million of dead money or something insane. I kind of agree with both of you. I agree with Hyphitz and the kind of the bird's eye aspect of this, but I agree with D.K. About today, I mean, you're down 21, the whole fucking game. You throw it 13 times. What are you doing? Yeah.

You're not going to lose. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Like somebody fucking helped me out here. No, I'm not defending it. It's like their starting quarterback is Marcus Mariotto. He's not that fucking bad. He became a backup because he's, as a nerve injury and his throwing arm.

I don't even know how far he can throw it. PJ Walker threw it 22 times today. Like, come on. I don't know. It's like, he threw it. It's weird. I don't know. I don't know explain it.

It's really weird. I don't know why they did this. I don't know. I hate this Navy football shit that we're doing this year. They spent a top 10 pick on Drake London. He had one target today. All right. We'll have to.

How many times I have to say it? Get your fucking good players involved. It's not rocket science. It should be like the lions and throw and lose. what? No, I don't know. That is a straw man. If I ever saw one,

what are you talking about? No one's saying they need to be the lions. Detroit's the only team that throws, and that's why they're losing. Detroit threw it 26 times today. Dan Campbell's a fake tough guy, and Arthur Smith's a real tough guy. You guys could take your offensive genius, Arthur Smith.

I'm not into it. He's yours. Have him. Okay. On the flip side, teams that actually do throw, you mentioned the Bengals. A fun quirk. So obviously Joe Burrow was like the number one quarterback today by pretty healthy. Dude's going off lately.

I think the second most passing yards of his career, I might be wrong on that. The number one receiver today was Jamar Chase. The number two receiver was Tyler Boyd. Same team. Nice. And then the number three receiver was Mikal Hardin for the Chiefs and the number four receiver was Juju also for the Chiefs. So top four receivers, two teams. And it kind of got us.

wondering, like, who are the offenses that can he still do this and it not be weird? Because so few teams are consistent or good that it feels like there are less offense. It's kind of like the extension of the running back thing. Who are the offenses you can even actually trust right now? Yeah. It's like, I think I saw Josh Norris tweet this out today. I was like, can you name six good teams? Like, legitimately?

I think that was what he said. All right, well, let me flip on you. Can you name six bad teams? I can name 25 What are you talking about? Yes, of course I don't know Okay, I made a list

I made a list of the offenses that I actually trust right now and I think are going to be good throughout the whole year You guys can tell me who you think we need to add to this list

So the Chiefs, Bengals, who we talked about because the way the Bengals are playing now I do trust them now like at the beginning of the year is a little shaky but I think they've kind of

found their groove the bills clearly, obviously the Eagles, that's four Who else is in this list? No one name. The Raiders?

No. I still don't really feel like I trust the Raiders. The Seahawks. Are we talking about trust like fantasy for a game or it's like Sunnet Football and like you need to go down and score with like what can you pick it tonight? You have two and a half minutes go down to get a touchdown. I mean, I think there's somewhat similar concepts. But I want to say from the fantasy point of view, who do we trust here? Like I think the Vikings are like fantasy for like stats.

But Kirk Cousins, I mean, there's a ceiling and how much you can trust them, right? And I don't even know who else. Like the Niners with McCaffrey, even though they're so cool. I'm like, holy shit, man. I think there's like 20 quarterbacks that could be running this thing.

And I'd be like, they're going to win the Super Bowl. And then you watch Jimmy G. Oh, my God. I found out maybe the most incredible stat of the season today. I apologize if one of you have said this on the show before. This blew my doors off. The perfect encapsulation of how bad Jimmy G's been. the 49ers under Kyle Shanahan trailing by three or more in the fourth quarter.

So trailing three or more in the fourth quarter under Shanahan are one and 29. Wow. Is this something to do with the bullshit establish it thing that I was just talking about, Arthur Smith? Like, if your run game is like the foundation of your offense, you have no recourse if you fall behind. Do you think there's anything related to that? I mean, I think that they've had bad quarterbacks and the running got them to like a Super Bowl and an NFC championship game. Okay, well, you just, you're the one who just said the stat.

I'm just saying, yeah, they've bad quarterbacks. But you run it because you have a bad quarterback, I would imagine. Yeah, exactly. Matt Ryan, like, you know, they were throwing a lot when he was in Atlanta. They made a Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppel. Remember when Jimmy had eight passes in the championship game and they won by 40? And like, Jimmy went like a real hour of real time without touching the ball. It's like, it's like I, I'm fat because I eat and I eat because I'm fat.

I'm fat because I'm sad No, I fucked it up What's the quote? Help me out, Craig No, we're keeping it. I don't know exactly. Let me look at it. Let me look it up. This is like, just so we get it right. This is literally what I do every single time I try.

You're sad because I eat and I eat because I'm sad. Is that what it is? That is the quote. Okay, that's what I was going for. Also, there's one more team who I would add into the the comfortable fantasy football team list where multiple players on the team every week I trust to have a good game. It's Miami.

If two is playing, it's Miami. I agree with that. Waddle and Tyreek are probably actually the number one team. I would be like, yeah, they could be first and second in a game. Also, like, Loki, the ironic, even with Mark Andrews getting no catches today, I will still put the Ravens there for Andrews and Lamar every week.

The running backs are a mess. So maybe it's just those two guys. Yeah, but I think you need multiple, you need to have multiple past catchers or multiple players. In a way, they're like the best team where they actually are the least reliable. But yeah, that's the larger point.

It's like, man, the Seahawks at this point are actually on this list. I was going to say, I don't want my homerness to show here or whatever, but like, we have to include the Seahawks in this, don't we? They are currently, and this is because several teams have not played, but they currently number two in the NFL in total points.

But also, Gino is a starter when he's healthy Metcalfe and Locketer starters and Ken Walker, that's four. How many teams actually have four guys who are like, they'll take care of them? are scoring 26 points in game. Yeah, but they're still not. I don't think so. I don't think they're in the like Waddle Hill category.

Like you trust this offense. No, but there's sixth, aren't they? Like if you have to rank, if tiers, no, they're not in that tier. If you're ranking who's next, I think it's Seattle. No, I still think I would take like Josh Jacobs and Devonte over any two skill position players in Seattle. Okay, yeah, it depends what you got to, it depends what you do. I feel like we need to nail down.

Running back in a receiver. A definition for this category. Yeah, a definition would have been helpful. What are we arguing about here? Multiple, is it two, is it three? Who knows? That's fine. Can I give you there as the mansplain of the week was Friday.

I went on quite the rant for those who heard about D.C. Moore basically said he's more or less unplayable. I thought a super good argument. PJ Walker, one pass beyond the line of scrimmage. Seems real bad. basically said DJ Morris unplayable and best game of his season. That always happens. That always happens. So season high seven catches, season high 69 yards, which is funny.

And he had a touchdown. So I can stand it myself. Did anybody expect PJ Walker to do what he did today? Like realistically. Yeah, if you predicted the Panthers beating the bucks, I'll take a lap. But this is, I'm not going to lie, it's kind of my point that he hasn't had 70 yards still this year. You know how they say that like the best investors are dead investors because they just leave their money in the S&P? and just leave them.

That's like the best fantasy football players are dead fantasy football players because they just left DJ Moore and they're starting lineup this week. Yeah. All the people who are just neglecting their lineup actually had a decent week. If you had DJ Moore.

DJ Moore. High Fitz. High Fitzland are in the same dynasty league right now. Craig, you're in this league too, actually. So I don't know why I'm saying it like that. Oh, thanks. All of us are in a fantasy league right now together. High Fitz is essentially just like

begging me to come trade for DJ Moore last week. I suppose the price is probably going to be a little bit higher this week, huh? Yeah, I actually kind of think DJ Moore will be fine like the rest of the year because if Donald comes back, you might just like force the ball doing my problem. My problem is with PJ Walker not throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage. Little did I know that he would go and slay Tom Brady. So, you know, football weird sport.

Speaking of which, we didn't talk about this. I don't even know if you guys give a shit. I don't care. I got to talk about this. The ESPN app is like one of the real losers of the week. Like real possible burn book candidate. The ESPN app, if you, if you were not. following this live. The Saints played the Cardinals in Thursday Night Football. And I don't know how

this happened, but there was a glitch where the ESPN app had them on by. And like, this happens sometimes. And like, you know, we're not going to protect. Like, you know, we have our fantasy guide. Like, this happens. However, this was chaos because they're on by. You could move all the players around during the game. So like, we all these emails and people. So people are like picking up the Cardinals defense putting it in. And then like, like Andy Dalton's throwing picks sixes and people are taking the Cardinals defense and putting it into their lineup, which is just chaos. Wait, that actually happened?

Like, you could, you, yeah, holy crap. For hours, days. Like, this is like a, like an ongoing, somehow they didn't solve this. So never mind the fact that you cannot track the score of your matchup unless you want to be like how Bill used to do back on the day and do the math in USA Today or whatever. Like, my God, manually adding my numbers. But it actually somehow extended through Sunday, even though they had kind of fixed it. And then today, Christian McCaffrey still wasn't labeled as a,

a nineer. So like when that game, like he locked at like one o'clock, not four when he, one Easter, when he was playing. And it was just tough week for the ESPN fantasy app.

Is it like one software guy who like went on vacation and it all went to shit? What happened? That's why I don't use ESPN. I'm a Yahoo guy. It was, it was stuff.

Stuff for them. Happens. Burn book. I'm not going to lie. I kind of wanted to burn. myself for telling everyone to not draft Josh Jacobs. I think that's fair. Can I give a real player?

Yeah. AJ Dylan. Yes, that is a great one. AJ Dylan is unplayable. Unplayable. AJ Dylan has 12 fantasy points in the last three games combined. 12. AJ Dylan is what Tony Pollard was for like the previous three seasons.

He's like a handcuff that is like top 10 of Aaron Jones gets hurt. A.J. Dylan is officially unplayable. He played 13 snaps. day. The lowest since last year. Like he's like even in 2021 that would have been his lowest of not just this season, but the previous one. He's not dropable because of the handcuff value, but he's certainly not playable. He, he is the exact kind of player you don't really want at this point in the season unless you're like seven and like seven and oh or six and one, which is you can't play him and you don't really know if you'll ever get to use him and he's

just kind of sitting there. And at least he's high upside. So maybe he's not exactly. Maybe of being too harsh, but like, man, has this been a massive disappointment? Yeah, he hasn't, honestly, and I think part of it is that Aaron Jones just looks incredible. He looks amazing. He's making plays in the passing game. He's doing it all. It looks extremely explosive, elusive. But I think part of it, too, is Dylan just hasn't looked as good as he did last year.

Like, Dylan was, he was, I just think he was more effective last year. He was breaking more tackles. He was a little bit more, in the passing game, he was a little bit more effective. I don't know what the deal is. But yeah. Do you think A.J. Dylan looks worse or this offense looks worse because I feel like their offensive line, which was jumbled last year too, is like more jumbled. And like today's game, I do think one of the reasons the Packers lost to Washington is

David Bactiari was supposed to play for them at left tackle. And he's like they're all pro that just had knee injuries for like a while. But like he didn't play. So they had to like completely jumble their offensive line, I think, at like an hour and a half before kickoff of what they had practiced. I do think that messed them up. And I kind of just wonder how much of what's going on with. Green Bay is just everything.

Their offensive line is not playing well. Obviously, receiving core is bad. Aaron Rogers wants to simplify the offense. The defense is like insanely talented. It has bad scheme. And it's just like everything. But I don't think it's Dylan's fault, honestly. I kind of think everything around him has failed.

However, he's in the burn book. I mean, yeah, I was kind of just, I agree with you. I think the offensive line certainly has something to do with it. But I don't know, just on a, you know, individual level. Like, he just doesn't like as effective to me. but like there's so many variables that go into that. It's hard to know. But to your point, if I were right,

they'd probably play Aaron Jones. They'd probably play AJ Dylan more. So if AJ Dylan were playing better, he'd probably be playing more. But he's not. So they probably think he probably has. They're just phasing it. They're like phasing him out, actually.

It's just kind of, yeah, they are. Yeah, let's be honest. Like the burn book itself is a pretty cruel list because most of the time is actually not the player's fault. It's the situation. Like we burn Cole Komet and Darnal Mooney. I don't think they're bad. The Bears are just horrible.

Like we burned Kyle Pitts. He's not bad. DJ Moore is not bad. They're just on horrible offenses. There are a few times when there's guys like Cam Acres, Baker Mayfield, but AJ Dillon,

I don't think it's bad. Well, Kyle Pitts might just be bad. Who knows? It's just not funny. Maybe the generational prospect. It's not funny. Maybe Arthur Smith

is benching Kyle Pitts because he's just terrible. No. No, I don't think that's the case. Okay. I think that's all we got. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Arthur Smith,

for all your hard work. you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, Chitty Bang. Fun fact about Chitty Bang. In college, SDSU has two concert venues. They have the basketball stadium or like larger, you know, more popular artists come and play. And they have something called open air theater right on campus, which is like a smaller outdoor venue, very cool.

Chitty Bang came to play for something called Green Fest, which is this thing we do every year. Me and my buddy Sam Skolnik hosted the event for Chitty Bang. That's awesome. Yeah. Was it good? he was fine you know shitty bang hasn't really lasted

this test of time he had a couple really big songs he had that one song mind your manners mind your manners and there was one with them yeah didn't he uh

sample kids the MGMT song yes that was the huge song so what was that party like no it was just a we didn't go to an after party we literally hosted the concert

like Sam and I like emceed the concert oh okay yeah So we were like on stage and then we were like backstage with him. You know, it was fine. Opposite of adults. That's the name of it.

I was backstage with them. You know, it was fine. But like we like like proximity. I was near him, but I wasn't like with him. You know what? Honestly, I love the genre of story of like not so humble brags about encounters with like D minus level celebrities. I mean,

emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. A lot of the people have these. I have one with Sammy Adams. Remember him? Yeah. Who? Oh, he had that one song. all night longer?

I hate college. It was I hate college into all night longer. Those are the two. The Asher Roth. He like remixed the Asher Ross song and then he did all night longer. He was like frat, rap. Exactly. I have like the same story but for my homecoming.

And it's just like, yeah, it seems like someone who just goes to too many college. I walked past Hulk Hogan one time in Hawaii. And my friend asked him for his autograph and he said, I'm on the move, brother. I actually said brother to you? Yeah. Probably the coolest thing you could ever say.

when asked for an autograph. I'm on the move, brother. One time in Hawaii, I sat next to the Lawrence brothers at a hotel. Remember them? Remember Joey Lawrence and all in them?

Matthew Lawrence. Remember those kids? This is like Brian Adams. It's just like such a basic day. Like Joey? Like, Lawrence brothers. You'll know that Joey Lawrence.

You would know if you saw them. Matthew Lawrence looks like Mike McDaniels' brother. They're in like Boymey's world and other things. Yeah, the woe guy. Whoa. No? There's a guy for that?

Like one guy did the whoa? I mean, you guys might be too young for it. I'm not going to lie. I watched a lot of Boy Meets World, but I actually don't remember anything except Topanga. It's like his catchphrase. I don't know. Damn chill, Hefitz.

Oh, everyone's thinking it. What? Hyfitt's just like thirsted after Topanga right there just subtly. Yeah, so many of everybody's 90s. Don't give me. Don't shame me. I was in it for the comedic writing.

It actually was good. Corey was a good actor, that kid. That kid. Anyway, shouts out Ben Savage. Who's that? That's Corey. Oh, okay, okay.

Not our best banter that we've ever had. A lot of references of like, BK hasn't watched Boy Meets World. I didn't feel the same thing about Topanga that I have been I was talking about Blossom. I think this was from Blossom. I think it was. I never watched Blossom.

Not our best work. Our generations are showing. Too long of generational span. My M. Bialek. Wasn't she in that? Yeah. Yeah. My M.

Bialik. When you said that, first I thought you were talking about like a Cialis commercial with the bathtubs, but I just thought it was like, My Miam Biala. Myam. Side effect. You know what I should do for a next career?

You know what my next career is if people just like gang up on me and fire me for the Josh Jacobs thing? I bet the way I read the Fandelads of the States, I could read all the symptoms on the prescription drug commercials. I could like power through those really quickly. You just read disclaimers for a living. I could just read all the disclaimers. I'm like that, you know what I mean? Like with the Seattleis, with the bathtubs. I could just power through that.

You'd be good at an auctioneer as well. I feel like that's kind of up your alley. Did you practice this when you were a kid? Talking? Yeah, all the time. I mean, that's a given. But like hosting, MCing. I don't think practiced.

I did know all the postal codes. That's been very helpful. What? We need to go. Don't just slip that factoid in. That's not normal. It was a test in school. What do you mean all the postal codes?

How many are there? There's hundreds of them. What are you talking about 50? And why? California is C. Oh, no. A postal code is a zip code, Hyvetts. I thought you meant zip codes.

There's like thousands of them. Oh, no, no, I don't know. That's crazy. I meant the abbreviations, the abbreviations. That is so different. In America. Jesus Christ. I live in like a small town and there's like three here.

Like, how did you know all of them? I just like, Jesus, are you on like the Mensa scale? Like, how smart are you? Can you think of a creepier party trick? Is any creepy or party tree? Like, where are you from? Like, oh, 20445. Centermoan, California, 94582.

Oh, my God. All right, goodbye, everyone.