The Ringer NFL Show - Week 7 Winners, Waivers, and Burns

Episode Date: October 26, 2020

We lead the show with the Seahawks taking command of the fantasy football world and Justin Herbert’s ascension as a top-five QB. We also offer up our winners of the week, add to our fantasy burn boo...k, and recommend our top waiver adds after Week 7. Headlines: The Seahawks (2:00) Justin Herbert (8::45 Winners: Diontae Johnson (13:45) 49ers RBs (18:00) Sleeper Tight Ends (23:00) Fantasy Burn Book (26:00) Waiver Adds (32:30) Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 On today's episode, we check in on D.K.'s health after an absurd Seahawks Sunday night game. We run through the top waiver pickups for this week. Spoiler alert, it's the 49ers. We do Burnbook with a certain Dallas Cowboy, and we reveal that Craig was in a commercial that aired on Monday Night Football. Stick around. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. I am Danny Hyfitz here with Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. We're recording on Monday.
Starting point is 00:00:37 DK, we have not talked to you yet. Are you okay? How are you feeling? Are you alive? I'm still recovering. My body still feels like it's just been through hell. It was a very stressful Seahawks Cardinals game on Sunday night football. As per usual, we've talked about this in the past.
Starting point is 00:00:51 Just extreme adrenaline high, followed by the massive adrenaline hangover after the game. Unfortunately, I couldn't enjoy the... It was different because this time the Seahawks lost. So that made it even worse. I was just like had a headache. Like my pulse was racing and they lost. So it was just a little bit of a bummer. The Cardinals now are kind of like the mini Seahawks.
Starting point is 00:01:14 They were like the little brother who beat the big brother for the first time. But they kind of just play the same way. And they have the same anxiety now each week. They kind of similar. Similar notes. The way D.K. describes watching Seahawks games, like if you remove the nouns, it just sounds like he's an addict. It just sounds like he has a problem. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:29 Like it's just the highs and the lows and then what it does to your life. It just seems really destructive overall. So out of everything that happened in the Seahawks Cardinals game, which was crazy for like 30 different reasons. fantasy and real NFL. I think the number one takeaway was D.K. Metcalf's defensive rundown. Right? Unbelievable. That was insane.
Starting point is 00:01:51 He looked like Optimus Prime chasing someone down. I saw someone say it was like T-1000 from the Terminator, you know, like just perfect running form. I know. He was like doing like a model run for like a scientific experiment.
Starting point is 00:02:06 There are a thousand moments from that game, but that D.K. Metcalfearned one was the one that made me realize his visor was iconic. I realized if I looked behind me and that guy was chasing me, like I think I would just fall down to the ground out of fear. Well, so I don't know if you guys have seen there's a Julio Jones defensive montage. Do you guys seen that?
Starting point is 00:02:24 No. He just makes a lot of tackles, right? Yes, there's a whole video compilation of Julio chasing people down after interceptions, and it's incredible. He's made some good tackles. Oh, I just realized what D.K. Metcalfe running reminds me of. It's Dwight Shrewt. Right.
Starting point is 00:02:37 They run with the same intent, the same arm motion. Or most. Moes, that's the one. It's Moes. It's Moes, running next to the car. They run the same way. But, oh my God. Like, D.K., Metcalf, and Julio
Starting point is 00:02:52 would be the two best safeties to the league. They really could. And the new Madden, you can actually play with them on defense. But the other thing with Metcalf, I have to say, is I've never in my life seen such a perfect bow tie on a sports game than the thing of D.K. Metcalfe
Starting point is 00:03:08 running down Buda Baker. And then in the same corner of the end zone in overtime, him doing, him taking that screen and running all the way. And I remember thinking this is like the most perfect two play mirrors of each other. And then they freaking called it back with the holding penalty. And then Al Michaels is like, David Moore is the guy. And I'm like, we picked David Moore in our Fandall lineup to be like the guy to score the three touchdowns 200 yards that Lockett had. And then I'm like, yeah, just as we wanted. Yeah, David Moore is the guy.
Starting point is 00:03:37 See, we were right. What do you guys think about for fantasy if your player commits a penalty? it's minus one point. I'm open to it. I think it would just make people hate the refs though and that you don't want more attention on the refs. I'm kind of into the idea. Like David Moore should cost you points if he
Starting point is 00:03:51 Yeah, I kind of agree. But I also, I more was like D.K. Metcalf should get points for the tackle. Like I don't know what the specifics are. I don't have a policy proposal here. But the fact that D.K. Metcalf, I mean, there are things of like,
Starting point is 00:04:05 that doesn't show up in the stat sheet. It literally shows up in the stat sheet. It should be able to be compensated somehow. He saved the freaking game. game. Can we talk about Tyler Lockett, by the way? Oh, yeah. That was insane.
Starting point is 00:04:15 There were so many things from this game. Tyler Lockett had, first of all, just kudos to the man for the neatest stat line I've ever seen. Right. Very clean. 15 catches, 200 yards on the dot, three touchdowns. It is by PPR fantasy points, the 13th best performance since the NFL merger in 1970.
Starting point is 00:04:35 So in 50 years, that was a top 13 fantasy performance from Dodd-Tai. I saw that it was the fourth biggest fantasy performance since 2010. So like in the modern, modern era, fourth best. My brother texted me on Sunday morning and was like, should I start Claypool or Lockett? And I was like, Lockett. And he was like, did you listen to our pod? Come on. I was like, I think you should start Lockett.
Starting point is 00:04:56 And he was like, I don't know. Lockett's been so bad lately. Claypool's been great. My brother had Devontah Adams and Tyler Lockett, Sat Lockett. Oh, no. Could have had the great. How about this one? Craig.
Starting point is 00:05:07 I had a similar one. sat Deontay Johnson, who we'll talk about a little bit later here, in exchange for C.D. Lamb, I was like, C.D.'s been so, he's been so consistent, like 20, 18, 17, 17, 17, 18, fucking zero. Yeah, our whole conversation about, like, would you trade C.D. for T. Higgins? I think anybody would immediately do that now. Anyway, the bigger point is the Seahawks remain an absolute fantasy gold mine. Russell Wilson went off despite throwing three picks.
Starting point is 00:05:36 He was still, you know, insanely good in that game. Kyler Murray, their defense is just terrible and invites these kind of back and forth, shootout type games. Kyler Murray went off. Christian Kirk went off. Don Dre Hopkins went off. You know, even Chase Edmonds went off a little bit. So, yeah, man, plug in whatever, plug in people from any team that's playing the Seahawks going forward. The Seahs don't have a pass rush.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Their secondary sucks. They can't guard anybody. They don't have a good scheme. You want me to keep going? Carly Bari dropped back 50 times on Sunday night and was sacked zero times. Hit zero times. Pressured once. Part of it, look, part of it, I think that was sort of by design, like the Seahawks, I think the plan was to be like, hey, that was by design.
Starting point is 00:06:22 We don't want him running all over us. No, like what I'm saying is they wanted to kind of mush rush, keep him in the pocket, make him beat them with this ours. Because like if you look at the rest of the season, he was running, his running was a lot more effective than his passing. He's like a big average at best passer throughout the year. Yeah, but that was against teams that play defense and cover, cover receivers. Right. The only problem is the Seahawks, they tried to make him beat him with his arm. He did that, but he also did beat him, beat them with his legs too.
Starting point is 00:06:48 So basically it was just a complete failure on all fronts for the Seahawks. Murray had 67 yards and a touch it on the ground, plus 360 yards, three scores in the air. Probably his best passing game of the season, which you'd expect against the Seahawks defense. If the NFL season for a team, like if your NFL schedule is, like, if your NFL schedule is, like a Mario Kart track, then the Seahawks game is the little rainbow section that makes you go like twice as fast. Yeah, the little turbo strip. Yeah, it's the turbo strip in Mario Kart because it is insane.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Oh, everyone has their best game against them. For context on how good the Seahawks have been offensively. In points per game this year, Russ is the quarterback one. Lockett is the wide receiver two, Metcalfe, the wide receiver eight, and Chris Carson is the running back eight. If you could pick any team in the NFL this year and you could take their quarterback, two ride receivers, and a running back for fans. to see. Are the Seahawks in first?
Starting point is 00:07:38 Yeah, I mean, Russell Wilson's on pace to break Peyton's record for the all-time touchdowns record. Like, who else are you going to pick? Well, would you rather have Mahomes, Clyde, Kelsey, and Hill? No. No. No, because it's the perfect storm. It's exactly what I just said. Seahawks' offense is awesome and their defense is so terrible.
Starting point is 00:07:56 They're in shootouts every single game. So it's like this snowball effect for fantasy. I love it. Actually, I hate it. Yeah, the difference is the Chief's defense played really well yesterday and they were in the snow, But, I mean, those guys were out with seven minutes left. The Seahawks played 60. They played 69 minutes of football, actually.
Starting point is 00:08:12 They did. Yeah, they played five quarters. Anyway, what else do we got? Justin Herbert? What a game. Herbie is fully loaded. I was shocked. I asked my mom who she was rooting for,
Starting point is 00:08:22 because the Giants suck. And she said she's all in the Chargers now. My mom's a huge Justin Herbert. Chargers are a really fun team to root for. I feel like everybody's kind of behind them this year. Every year. I mean, I think it's just shocking because they were supposed to be kind of a boring team. And now they're actually one of the most exciting teams
Starting point is 00:08:36 in the whole league. Like, Justin Herbert is freaking amazing. I have to be honest, I didn't think Herbert was going to be very good at all. No. I kind of thought he was a little duffy. He's playing in a fun way, too. Like, he's not just doing the Joe Burrow thing
Starting point is 00:08:47 where Joe Burrow's like, I think one of the best, if not the best short to intermediate passer in the league right now because he just like throws these little dime eight yard ins and outs. Herbert is, first of all, by the way, he's the quarterback four and points per game.
Starting point is 00:08:59 And that's including Dak Prescott. So if you get rid of Dak, he's the quarterback three and points per game, which is kind of insane. He's one spot ahead of Mahomes. But he's like taking deep shots. He's scrambling. He's all the fearlessness of Philip Rivers,
Starting point is 00:09:11 but he doesn't throw picks and he can move. Right. The other thing is he's doing it with a lot of scrubs. Like if you look at the list of guys that he's thrown touchdowns to this season, like yesterday it was Virgil Green, Donald Parham, Jalen Geithen. Like, had you even heard of these?
Starting point is 00:09:26 I mean, I know that people have heard of Virgil Green from maybe a few years ago, but like, yeah. I didn't remember he was on the Chargers. Like if those guys were on the Patriots, would be like, oh, those guys can't do it. anything. Like, Cam Newton has no help, but they're on the charges, and Justin Herbert is just
Starting point is 00:09:39 bawling out. How do you guys feel about Herbert? Who'd you rather have him over now going forward? Like, is he actually a top five quarterback for you guys moving forward? In fantasy, yeah. I think so. A lot of people think he's the overall QB1 and dynasty in terms of, well, maybe not, maybe what I should, what I meant to say is ahead of Burrow, which I think is saying a lot because obviously Burrow had a ton of hype coming into the season. People have really, really high hopes for him. I think some people, and it maybe is consensus now, like Herbert is higher than Burrow in the dynasty ranks.
Starting point is 00:10:11 I think that's true. I would rather have Herbert than Burrow. Yeah. So that's just, I mean, to me that is like, wow, that's crazy because you were able to get him,
Starting point is 00:10:19 you know, late in the first sort of, like late in Superflex drafts, late in the first round in drafts, and then like in the second round in regular drafts this off season. So huge steal. Or any of the charges receivers relevant?
Starting point is 00:10:31 Like, should you pick up Jalen Guyton? I think Guyton is one of those guys that could be like a, a bi-week fill-in flex guy. Keenan-Alew, obviously, is a wide receiver one through the rest of the season. If he's on your waivers, pick him up.
Starting point is 00:10:43 We don't have to dwell here, but I just want to note that the Patriots were blown out and are borderline irrelevant in fantasy at every position? They really are. This is the most irrelevant they've ever been in fantasy since I've been alive, I think. Since I could start to speak. Would you rather have to play all five skill players for the Patriots or the Jets?
Starting point is 00:11:04 Oh, my God. The Jets, I think. Okay. I want to throw a stand out of you. Actually, I saw this from Mike Rice, I think, from ESPN. On the season, the Patriots have one passing touchdown and eight picks to receivers this year. One touchdown to eight picks to receivers. So the thing for that, too, the reason for that is the Patriots are last in separation on next gen stats, which isn't surprising.
Starting point is 00:11:30 But the other one I saw, I mean, Tom Brady had more passing touchdowns yesterday than the Patriots do all season. The Patriots have three passing touchdowns. They have the fewest passing touchdowns. They have the most interceptions as a team. And their running back rotation is just as maddening because you just really never know who it's going to be. I came into the week thinking like James White, you know, might continue to have.
Starting point is 00:11:51 I think he was always getting a very solid receiving share, target share in that offense. He basically did nothing. Like honestly, you can't start any, you can't even start, you can't even start Cam now. Yeah, it's really bad because Kim bounce the pass. At that point, I was like, oh, maybe this is a problem. Whatever's going on there, it's not good.
Starting point is 00:12:11 There is not a single startable Fantasy Patriot, right? No. I think that's the point, yeah. Okay, let's get into who won the week. I mean, well, let's be real here. Herbert and Tyler Lockett won the week. But top scores this week, Justin Herbert was the QB1, Kyler Murray was QB2, Tom Brady was QB3,
Starting point is 00:12:28 running back, Jeff Wilson, Jr. For the Niners was the RB1. That sucked. He got hurt as he scored that third touchdown. that sucked. James Robinson was the RB2. Todd Gurley was RB3. Tyler Lockett with historic day was the top wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:12:43 I'm not going to say W.R. 1. That just sounds. There's too many syllables. Devante Adams was the top. It was the second best receiver. And then Deonti Johnson for Pittsburgh was this third best receiver. And then this one was bizarre. Tight end. Cleveland's Harrison Bryant was the number one scoring dead end.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Rob Bernkowski was two. Justin Hooper. T.J. Hawkinson's tight in three. And then defense was chief. Niners, Washington. So, all right, we're all just going to anoint Tyler Locke and Herbert's winners of the week. But other than those guys,
Starting point is 00:13:14 D.K., who won the week for you? I'll start now with Deontay Johnson, who came back and I guess, like, took back up the mantle as the number one receiver in Pittsburgh. We spent the last couple of weeks talking about Chase Claypool, and for good reason, like, Claypool is awesome. But when you talk about fantasy, I think that Johnson has a chance to be a little bit more consistent
Starting point is 00:13:32 because he's getting those short and intermediate passes. And that's a huge, huge part of the Steelers' offense right now with Big Ben. Especially in this game, like the Steelers just felt really comfortable, basically just attacking the short and intermediate area. And the Titans decided to basically match up Malcolm Butler with Claypool All-game, Shadowdam. And he was more just like a decoy in this game. He actually ended the game with one catch and negative two yards. So he was completely invisible.
Starting point is 00:14:02 But I think the overall message here is that, when healthy, and the obvious caveat here is Deonte Johnson did leave the game with what looked like an ankle injury, a foot injury. It sounds like he's going to be okay. He came out after the game and said it was just like a contusion or something. He's going to be fine, but it's something to monitor. But going forward- He keeps getting banged up, which is frustrating. There are a group of players out there who, and I think Rahim Mosterts in this conversation where it's rare, they play a full game. That to me would be the big knock on Johnson is the questions about his health, but the role when he's in there is pretty unquestionable.
Starting point is 00:14:38 It's, like, Big Ben treats him as, like, his go-to guy in that offense right now. As for the rest of the receiver core, I'm still really bullish on Claypool, but you're going to see some... You knew this was coming. I mean, we all knew this was coming. You're going to see a lot of variance with this kind of guy because he's this really dangerous, deep threat, big play threat. But sometimes it's just not going to be there. And they're not going to force it to it when they got Juju, when they've got Deonté, when, even, Even Ebron was out there making plays this past week.
Starting point is 00:15:06 You know, James Connor, they just have so many skill players that they can rely on. And we didn't even talk about James Washington, who was also completely invisible in this game, too, after having a big game last week. So, yeah, I think the bottom line is when Deontay is healthy, start him with confidence, which is something that I did not do in one of my leagues this week. And I was really pissed off about it. It was just a dumb decision. But you're right. I think this game is much closer to reality for Deonti Johnson and Chase Claypool than the last couple weeks where Claypool has been amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So he was one of my winners of the week and going forward, I think he does have that like wide receiver one upside per week just based on his usage.
Starting point is 00:15:44 Yeah, but the Steelers offense is so, it's such a rotating cast, such a rotating split of passes that I don't think many people on the Steelers or anyone really has the like Tyler Lockett potential each week just because of how much Ben spreads the ball around. Yeah, well, here's the thing though. They play the Ravens next week, which you. is going to be a sick game. But then they've got the Cowboys, Bengals, Jaguars. Yeah, but they spread it around so much. I don't see Juju within 180 yard. I don't know. Maybe. Oh, well, yeah, okay, but, you know, hide behind the 200 yard three touchdown game. But I think that Deontay, I mean, DeLette got a lot, I don't remember the north top of my head. It was like 15 targets. Right. But I mean, Juju had nine catches this week. Juju had 14 targets. Yeah. So he's back on the map.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Ebron had six catches. The moral of the story is that there are four. guys worth rostering. It's Juju, James Washington, Deontay, Claypool, and if I have to roll the dice of two of those guys, it will be Deontay and Juju in that order for the rest of the season, if they're all healthy. Are you guys in the same boat? I think Ebron should be
Starting point is 00:16:47 on a team. I think you can throw Washington at this point, right? Yeah, I don't know. Depends on the size of your league. Ten teams, yes. You know, he's a guy you play against a bad defense and you need a, when you have a bi-week. You can pick them up when someone gets hurt. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Okay, Craig, who's your winner for the week other than Tyler Lockett and Herbert and this theirs? Quickly, I just want to flick at Todd Gurley who gets kind of shit on every year and he's the RB. Not every year, this year and last year. And then he was lionized for the three before that. Right, but since like the arthritic knee thing came out,
Starting point is 00:17:22 he's the RB8 this year. Just want to throw it out there. Todd Gurley. I don't think he looks good when I watch him play, but he's the RB8. So my winner this week is anybody who runs the football. for the 49ers. It's insane how much they can scheme up a good running back and a good running game for literally anyone they hand the ball off to. It doesn't matter. I think every single running
Starting point is 00:17:44 back on the 49ers should be on a fantasy team. I think five currently should be rostered on people's fantasy teams. So first of all, their pro football focuses number one graded run offense. I'm going to go through the weeks and tell you how running backs finish for the Niners. And week one, Rahim Moster was the RB6. And week two, Rahimoster was the RB15. And Week 3, Jeff Wilson was the RB9 and McKinnon was the RB 14. Week 4, McKinnon was the RB 10. Week 5, Mostert, 21.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Week 6, mostert, 26, but he got hurt. And then last week, week 7, Jeff Wilson, the RB1. It literally doesn't matter. So you have RB1 performances in four out of seven weeks and then like a few RB2s. With three different running backs. But to be abundantly clear,
Starting point is 00:18:29 if you watch this game, it's not like Jeff Wilson is Adrian Peterson. No. The Niners dominated the Patriots and specifically Kyle Shanhan dominated Bill Belichick. And a couple years ago, when we were all like swooning over Sean McVeigh and saying he's like boy genius wonder like the next Bill Walsh,
Starting point is 00:18:49 all of that was true. It's just as true about Kyle Shanhan. Like I truly believe that like this bill about this game, we might look back on and be like, oh yeah, right. That was the game where Kyle Shannon took the mantle of the league's best head coach from Bill Belichick. I mean, Andy Reid is up there too. But Kyle Shanahan has like 20 years younger than Andy Reid. Like Kyle Shanhan is like on offense, capital B brilliant.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Like he is just so good at his job. And with the zone scheme, we don't have to go into the nuance, but it's like basically there's two plays. There's inside zone and outside zone. And there's a thousand derivations have had to teach the technique. But you need like this organizational top down thing of you need light linemen. I mean, I think they have the like it's the lightest in terms of weight. Like they're all pretty relatively thin guys for offensive line. But they're all in such sync where it's like, it really doesn't matter. It's if you can figure out who's going to get the touches for the 49ers,
Starting point is 00:19:38 play them now and for like the next five years. Like forever. This will just work. Like play the person who's playing for the 49ers. They have five running backs who are, who can be on it. I mean, that has never happened in the history of fantasy football.
Starting point is 00:19:51 It's the system and the person who plays is someone who's already been weeded out by Shannon as someone who, like not everyone could do this. I think we've talked about this. But I'm not convinced Saquan Barclay could necessarily be doing this. Not like, because he can't, but because it requires a certain mentality change,
Starting point is 00:20:06 which is why random guys always work. It's because, like, random guys who are on the fringes of the league are more willing to adapt, I think, sometimes. But, I mean, it's also like a little bit money ball-like where they're finding guys that do one thing really well, like downhill, one cut and go. Mostor is the best at it by far.
Starting point is 00:20:26 But a lot of these guys, like Wilson runs so hard. I mean, he's like, he runs. like a freaking missile. People didn't want to tackle him. And I mean, he's not even that big. And so anyways, yeah, I think it's like going back all the way through the whole Shanahan, even with Mike Shanahan back in the day, they were able to find these random dudes,
Starting point is 00:20:44 but they just work really well in this zone scheme. But I mean, apart from that, though, like Shanahan has modernized the attack. And they do all this stuff. Eye candy up front, orbit motion, screens that are attached to like our PO plays. So, like, it just, oh my God, it's so cool. It's such a cool offense. It gets guys like Debo and Iyuk involved too. It's just awesome. It sounds so complicated, but all that Shanhan does is he just understands every defensive assignment and then figures out how to confuse that person. Yeah, that's it. But specifically, though, Jeff Wilson got hurt in this game. So now we've got Rahim
Starting point is 00:21:19 Mossuits on IR. He's going to miss a minimum of two more weeks. Kevin Coleman's on IR. He could come back theoretically whenever. Probably is not going to come back this week. Now you've got Jeff Wilson believed to be a high ankle sprain, which would be at least three weeks you think. So he might go on IRR. So now we have Hasty and McKinnon. Now it's just Michael Hasty and McKinnon. McKinnon, I think, three carries in this game. Jeff Wilson got way more.
Starting point is 00:21:40 So McKinnon seems to be on a snap count, like a touch. Chan Ann said that. He said that we wanted, we had given him too much work and we wanted to give him kind of a breather. So McKinnon, I'm not going to say cut him because the offense is so good. But Michael Hasty is clearly the lead back right now. Yeah, if you picked him up last week, like, congrats. Because he's in a, he's like in the lead dog role now. And Debo Samuel is hurt too, the receiver, but Debo is like a running back receiver hybrid that he's hurt.
Starting point is 00:22:09 Brandon Ayuk is like a running back receiver hybrid. And I feel like the two best pickups of this week are Brandon Ayuk and Jamichael Hasty because they're really going to be splitting the Niners running game for at least the next two or three weeks. And ding, ding, ding, they're playing Seattle this week. God. Bang. Boom. you go. So absolutely. I totally agree. It's Ayuk.
Starting point is 00:22:30 I think it would be hasty for me than Iyuk. Yeah. Because you probably need a running back more than you need a receiver. But those are the two dudes. So yeah, get them. High Fitz. Who's your winner? National tight ends day. Where the fuck did this come from? This went from some stupid shit that George Catole said on Instagram to like every channel. Like, oh, it's national tight ends day. Every pregame show, everything being shoved down my throat.
Starting point is 00:22:55 And it went from like one of the. those things where it's cute to then everyone says it and then I wasn't in on it. So I'm like, this is dumb because you guys didn't invite me so I don't even want to go. And like, so it's annoying because I had made up my mind to hate National Tight Ends Day. And then all these freaking tight ends scored on National Tight Ends Day and I had to accept it. Because you had Harrison Bryant, who the hell is that? I mean, I know he is. But still, freaking he's the number one tight end. Logan Thomas had a great play for Washington. Jay Sternberger, got in for the Packers. Donald Parham and Virgil Green got in for the charges. Jared
Starting point is 00:23:30 Cook had a crazy catch for the Saints on like the second, the second touchdown of the day. Rob Grunkowski actually looked like 2017 Rob Grancowski for a little bit or 2016. I care him. Whatever year he was healthy. Told you I'm still dying on this hill. Yeah. Grunk is back, baby. I'm still on the hill. That was like it's darkest before the dawn. You made it to the morning. And the day of the joke who scored. Yeah, you made it. You're like Batman. Congratulations. Don't think about that analogy too much, though. Although you are a dark night. But this is crazy because it's one of those things where all the tight ends were good.
Starting point is 00:24:03 How many of these guys, of these nine guys who scored touchdowns? How many were actually in teams? Two, Max? Gronk was good. Gronk, if he was playing for you. And then Jared Cook. I think also some people like in deeper leagues probably had Logan Thomas, but yeah. It's not empty calories.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I don't know what the term is, but it's something when it's like wasted points. It's like it's burned off. it's just these kind of touchdowns that are not given to anybody who's in a fantasy line up. Unactionable. Yeah, we need some kind of term for that because it's really frustrating. It's not helping you, your opponent. It's not helping anybody.
Starting point is 00:24:36 It's just completely wasted. So anyway, I guess the random tight ends won, but we all lost, so I'm not actually happy about this. Yeah. Because the issue is, I don't want, there's no actionable advice here other than play Harrison Bryant when Austin Hooper has issues. Yeah. So, right. We'll get into the waiver wire ads
Starting point is 00:24:52 that tie down a little bit later on. Speaking of random national days, though, did you know that today is National Mincemeat Day? There's too many days. Happy National Mince Meat Day. Why are we working on National Mince Meat Day? This is bullshit. Who does it?
Starting point is 00:25:05 Who makes the days? Like, you know there's a national podcast day? Like who does that? Tomorrow's National Navy Day. Lobbying groups, Craig. Yeah, actually. A national beer day is. There are so many days.
Starting point is 00:25:15 We need to cut down the days. Yeah, too many days. Oh, my God. Jeez. Should we do National Ring or Fantasy Football Show Day? Well, you know what today is? It's Burn Book Day. Burn Book Day? Wow. There we go. Craig, will you run down the people in the Burn Book currently?
Starting point is 00:25:30 Right. Currently residing in the book are Adam Gase, Daniel Jones, Jack Doyle, AJ Green, Scotty Miller, Mo Alley Cox, T.Y. Hilton and T.Y. Hilton. Today, D.K. You're the city of Indianapolis. AJ Green and Scottie Miller both had damn good games this last week, too. Just fucking ridiculous. It's taking all of our, you know, like mental fortitude to not take these two guys out of the Burnbook, I think. Don't forget Daniel Jones almost scoring that touchdown. No, he deserves, he deserves being the book for that thing.
Starting point is 00:25:58 Scotty Miller is like the sirens from the Odyssey singing to you, trying. You have to close your eyes and ears. It's like the Raiders of the Lost Ark. You can't open your eyes and see Scotty Miller. Even if you read like Roto World or whatever's blurbs, PFF had something about Scottie Miller and it was like, it's a trap. Don't do anything about this. It's a trap.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Oh, my God. Speaking of traps, who we adding. to the group this week. Michael Gallup, I'm done with him. I'm done with Michael Gallup. I loved them in the preseason. If you have him on your team,
Starting point is 00:26:27 I'm sorry, I was wrong. He's a good player. He is a good player. I feel like I was extremely right that the Cowboys number two would be very valuable in fantasy this year. And it was extremely wrong
Starting point is 00:26:37 that Michael Gallup would be the number two. And for that, I just formally apologize. He's, I'm not going to say he's dead to me, but the fantasy avatar, the picture that stares back to me on all of my teens of Michael Gallup,
Starting point is 00:26:48 I now I'm very upset with. I might cut him. Like, Would you guys cut him? Am I just too emotional about this? I think I would release him because now this Cowboys team is so bad. Yeah. I mean, there's no hope.
Starting point is 00:26:59 I mean, just to clarify here, the Cowboys starting quarterback if Andy Dalton can't play. That was a horrible play that happened in Andy Dalton. If he's out this week, they will go to Philadelphia and play Ben Danucci, who played a James Madison, FCS football. Ben Danucci, a rookie seventh round quarterback. and if that is not bad enough for you, they might be having four of five backup offensive linemen. Three of five is best case scenario. Might be four or five,
Starting point is 00:27:29 including an undrafted free agent rookie at right tackle. If a seventh round rookie quarterback being protected by four or five backup offensive lineman is not the blind leading the blind, I don't know what is. That is how it renders Cid Lam and Cooper useless. I don't understand why Danucci is the third string quarterback on a football team.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Like, why isn't it just like the guy who was on, you know, Auburn. Like, why is it James Madison's quarterback? Why aren't they bigger schools? Like, the Clemson guy before, like, where are people that were just like on a good SECZ team or a good Big 12 team? Why aren't they the third string? Why is it James
Starting point is 00:28:03 Madison guy? I think it's honestly, in this scenario, it's just because they're trying to develop him for the long term. They didn't think they'd get down to their third string QB this quickly, but... I never understood that. They're like, oh, it's so-and-so from Norfolk State. And I'm like, where was the guy who...
Starting point is 00:28:19 went to Michigan State. Was he terrible? Well, maybe the guy, maybe the starter at Alabama isn't going to be super great at the role of being the third string quarterback who will never ever play, you know? Sometimes it's an interpersonal dynamic. Stop messing with small schools here, okay? But no, really though. I think you can cut Michael Gallup. See, I still think CD has value, but obviously it's taken a dramatic hit since, uh, since tax been out.
Starting point is 00:28:45 Would you, how do you guys feel about Zika Lelyt? Man, he's, he's a top five? running back? Is he top? I don't know what to do with the guy. No, he's not. Not anymore. But where is he? Because this is, I think this is the craziest player evaluation in all fantasy. Probably, he's probably realistically an RB2.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Yeah. He's still going to get tons of, tons of volume, but he's like in that David Montgomery zone now where it's like, oh my God. Really, really low value targets and stuff. Who would you rather have going forward? Montgomery or Zeke? Yeah. Oh my God. Good Lord. Three days ago, we were like,
Starting point is 00:29:15 T. Higgins or Cedley Lamb? And we were like, hmm, and now it's Ezekiel, Elliot or David Montgomery. Well, dude, their line is terrible, like he said, Danny. It's all backups at this point. Their offense is always going to get into negative game script stuff. And it's not like he's getting tons and tons of targets in the passing game. So I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:29:34 He's not a good fantasy player right now. Zeke was a great fantasy running back when the Cowboys were building leads and just running in the ball in the second half. And then his evolution to the passing game was helping in this season when Dak was throwing it. but now it's not like the Cowboys are going to pick up first downs. Like this offense just isn't going to be on the field very much. They're not playing enough plays.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Yeah. Yeah. They're just, I mean, no offense to Ben Danucci. And Ben Danucci can really bring this clip back on me if he becomes a Hall of Famer. I am not optimistic that Ben Danucci is going to pick up any first downs for Dallas in the near future. And I don't know. I think Zix is going to spend a lot of time on the sideline. And if someone just thinks, oh, yeah, they'll have to run more because, you know, they can't throw any more,
Starting point is 00:30:17 than I would trade Zeke if you can get anything close to where you, you know, what quote unquote Zeeq is value at. And that's not even mentioning like the fumble issue that he's had lately. He's got so many fumbles and he had a, I mean, it wasn't really his fault. The interception bounced off his hands. It was a pass that was behind him. It's still like, you'd hope that he would get that. You'd hope that he would catch that ball, even if it was off target a little bit.
Starting point is 00:30:40 So he's just, man, he's had a really rough couple of weeks. And at this point, really like the cow, it sucks because the cow. were such a perfect fantasy. It was like the Seahawks. It was a perfect fantasy storm. And now it's just... They were wiped out in October. You can't play any of these guys
Starting point is 00:30:58 into your lineup and feel pretty good about it, to be honest. Yeah, what happened, man? It's like the Avatar franchise. The first one came out and set every record. Now it's like, God, where have we come? Well, aren't they making like a second and a third? It's just... Yes, dude.
Starting point is 00:31:12 You know, I have a whole thing about Avatar. You know, Avatar 1 came out in 2008? All right, here's the thing. That is the highest grossing movie ever, or it was. We're waiting on the sequel, it's 2020. It's been 12 years. But here's the thing, highest grossing movie ever, whatever. Can you name one character from Avatar?
Starting point is 00:31:27 Like the name of the character in the movie? No, but... I mean, I can name the actors. I mean, that's hard. Can you remember the name of the actors and the name of the characters in the departed? I can't. I mean, I know who's in it. I don't know the names of them.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Okay, but I can name like 17 actors. I'm just saying. Yeah, I know. I understand what you're saying, but it's just where... it's taken a real turn of words. Okay, honestly, I happy when you brought up Avatar
Starting point is 00:31:49 don't really think it applies to the Cowboys because it's like if there were 10 sequels and all the ones in the future are going to be bad. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, I get it now. All right, waiver wire. Yep. D.K. is like, what the fuck just happened?
Starting point is 00:32:01 Yeah, you guys lost me. You never seen Avatar, DK? It's all right. No, I've seen Avatar. DK's the audience avatar because we just lost half the people who are listening during that conversation. Anyway, let's get to Waver Wire.
Starting point is 00:32:12 What the hell should people do this week? Actually, I'm lying. Let's go back to the Cowboys. for a second. I just wanted to note their Cowboys defense has negative nine fantasy points through seven games. Wow. Which is the fewest any defense in fantasy football
Starting point is 00:32:25 has since at least 1940. Jesus. Shout out Tristan Cockcroft that he has been for that one. Okay, now let's go to the Waver Wire. Decent amount of injuries this week. Odell Beckham tore his ACL. He's out for the season. Deonti Johnson for Pittsburgh. He hurt his ankle. We don't know the severity of that. It's Monday afternoon. We
Starting point is 00:32:43 monitor that. It's set. wouldn't be a big deal, but we'll see. Philip Lindsay for Denver has a concussion. Jeff Wilson for the Niners, he reportedly has a high ankle sprain, but he's getting tests, so make sure to monitor what the actual report is there. Debo Samuel is a hamstring injury. He's probably out for at least a couple weeks. Prashad Perman for the Jets is in concussion protocol.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Andy Dalton for the Cowboys is in concussion protocol. Kenyon Drake for the Cardinals suffered an ankle injury that looked very painful on Sunday night football. There is not an official word on what that diagnosis is there. and then Chris Carson for the Seahawks had a foot injury. There's not a lot of clarity on these. Usually the guys get MRIs at like 9 in the morning and you kind of just word trickles out.
Starting point is 00:33:23 We don't have a lot of definitive words here. So check on all of those. Bob Condota, the Seattle Times, noted that he thinks that Chris Carson, his understanding it's not a serious injury. So he might miss this week potentially, but it doesn't sound like it's like it's like one of those multiple week things. So that's good news for the Seahawks. All right.
Starting point is 00:33:42 But all that said, let's just go through pickups. for this week. Running back is obviously most important. We'll start there. I think the number one for this week, and this is kind of cheating because he's kind of over-owned for this segment, but it's Chase Edmonds, who is on 60%, 65% of roster is on Yahoo, 55% in ESPN. It needs to be 100%. This is going to be a top 10 running back. I can't remember the last time there was a guy who was like a handcuff running back that we were like, he will be better than the starter was. The only thing that sucks about this is that the Cardinals have a buy, so Drake could get healthy.
Starting point is 00:34:17 We'll see. It didn't look. Honestly, when he got carded off, right? Yeah. And he was sobbing into a towel. Yeah. I'm not a doctor. It doesn't seem good.
Starting point is 00:34:26 But, yeah, I mean, it's definitely possible. I would say even though, even if Drake does come back, though, like at this point, it's cemented Edmonds as a committee back, someone worth rostering at the very least. Edmonds has also just gotten better, even when they're healthy, Edmonds has been a better fantasy play half the time. He's been more effective, yeah. I think that every week Chase Edmonds is the starter.
Starting point is 00:34:47 He will be a top 10 running back play. And if you can get him for someone who doesn't see that potential in him, I would trade for him and bet on his talent winning out. And if you can bid on him, if he's available, I would do whatever it takes to get Chase Evans. That's my number one. Yeah. We discussed Jamichael Hasty as top running back. I think he's number two to me, although they're very close.
Starting point is 00:35:10 D.K., who's after Hasty and after Chase Edmonds? I think there's a pretty big tear drop after these two guys, and then we can start talking about some guys that are going to be in committee backs. Let's start with the Michael P. Reiner, the Jets, who, honestly, he looked pretty good at moments. Like, he has a little bit of burst to him, and they're using him a little bit more. However, you're just, you're getting a guy who's stuck on offense with the Jets offense.
Starting point is 00:35:35 And so the ceiling to me is very low. Even if, and by the way, we need to talk about the fact that Adam Gase is no longer calling plays. Adam, the cooler gays says I'm going to start calling him. Are you guys ever seen the movie The Cooler? No. I don't know what you're talking about. It's a movie about a guy and apparently there's a real thing.
Starting point is 00:35:55 I'm not like a big time Vegas person but like casinos actually have these guys called Coolers who are basically just like bad luck people that go in and when someone's on a role. It's actually exactly like an energy vampire. So there's a There's a movie called The Cooler with
Starting point is 00:36:12 I'm going to get the name wrong. William H. Gacy. You mean William H. Macy? I think he just confused William H. Macy with the serial killer. You're talking about Bill Macy. Serial killer? Yeah, yeah. I knew I was going to get that wrong.
Starting point is 00:36:25 What is it? John Wayne Gacey and William H. Macy. Yes, John Wayne Gacy is a famous serial killer. And William H. Macy. Damn it. You know, I knew I was going to get that wrong. I knew it was playing out wrong in my head. It's okay.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Anyway, the point is, Adam Gase, remind you of William H. Gacy. That's where we're at right now. No, that's where it came from. I think you're trying to say, Adam Gase is an energy vampire, but he's not calling plays. He's single-handedly killing your fantasy team.
Starting point is 00:36:53 Serial fantasy killer. Oh, my God. Adam, the cooler gase, no longer calling plays in New York. That's good. The bad news is that offense is just, they do have talent, but it's just like a terrible situation. Sam Darnold was just not been playing well.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Darnel came back and actually it was worse for fantasy purposes. than freaking Joe Flacco, which was just a great situation for people with anybody, you know, on the jets on their team. The other guy to keep in mind, I think, that that is pretty interesting is Zach Moss of the Bills, who basically was a 50-50 split this week with Singletary in terms of their usage in both the ground game and the passing game. So he's a guy to definitely add and kind of see how that all shakes out. They're obviously high on him. I think they took him in the third round. and he's a good player.
Starting point is 00:37:42 He's a different style than Singletary. He's a banger, you know, big physical guy that breaks a lot of tackles or Singletary is more of like a shifty guy. So I think they're probably going to plan on just using these two guys interchangeably in terms of, you know, they're not going to like have one guy be the lead guy and vice versa. But I think he's worth looking out for. So to rank our running back ads of the week, you know, we're going to toss in like Jamal Williams, you know, he played in place of Aaron Jones.
Starting point is 00:38:07 It seems like Aaron. He had a huge day. He was top five. But the thing is Aaron Jones is probably fine, right? Because they held him out precautionary with the groin. But groin's kind of... No, it was a cash. Do you think that Aaron Jones might be on a pitch count?
Starting point is 00:38:19 And maybe if Jamal Williams is getting more work, you'd want him in, at least temporarily, or no? Samal Williams already gets work. You know, I mean, maybe he'll get a little bit more in the coming week. But, like, I think that Aaron Jones could have played. It sounded like he wanted to play, and the team held him out because they just wanted to be precautioned. I think if you have Aaron Jones on your team,
Starting point is 00:38:36 you 100% want Jamal Williams. because you'll miss, you'll get 80% of the value if Aaron Jones is out. The thing is, I think Jamal Williams should be on someone's team without Aaron Jones being hurt anyway. Yes, but he really wasn't until today. Well, not today, this weekend. Right. He's probably not on your league. Our running back ranked waiver ads of the week are Chase Edmonds first, obviously, and then next is
Starting point is 00:38:56 Michael Hastie, Carlos Hyde. I think Zach Moss is at four and then, and then old P-Rine on the Jets would be dead last. But in reality, Edmonds is not available. Do whatever it takes to get you Michael Haystey. because if you need a running back for the next few weeks, I would just figure it out. Yeah, actually, Craig, real quick,
Starting point is 00:39:13 you threw in Carlos Sai. That was another guy we didn't. Oh, yeah, wow. But obviously, if Chris Carson is out, Hyde is the Seahawks starter. It's an injury-dependent thing, but if Carson is forced to miss this week, Hyde is a good backup option.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Okay. Yeah, and he's definitely a good streamer. All right, receivers. Crazy news. Antonio Brown, signed with the Tampa Bay. Buccaneers over the weekend. He's back. I mean, in one way, it's like he's not even a pickup.
Starting point is 00:39:42 He's up to 80% on Yahoo because of the timing of how the signing happens. So it's probably not available anymore. But he's on a one-year deal worth up to $2.5 million. It's heavily incentive-laden. So, and apparently he just wanted to play with Tom Brady. I mean, we don't have to go into all the details of them signing him and stuff. Basically, fantasy-wise, like, this Bucks team is already so filled with, I mean, Mike Evans, who is, we've decided,
Starting point is 00:40:05 it is basically just a fullback they throw it at the goal line. I mean, he went a long time with one catch, or only one catch in that Bucks game yesterday. They got Chris Godwin who's looked pretty good. Justin Watson, who just steals Scotty Miller's thunder. Scotty Miller, who's just on and off and on and off. If Antonio Brown plays, which is the biggest if I can muster, who's playing time is he taking away? Is it Scotty Miller?
Starting point is 00:40:28 Like, what's going on here, DK? I would assume, yeah, Scottie Miller. I would assume it would be Evans, Godwin, and. And then Antonio Brown. I mean, that's the assumption, but like we don't really know because it, you know, maybe they'll bring him in slowly and get him up to speed over the course of like three or four games because he's been out of football for so long. You know, it's one of those situations that you really just kind of have to see how it goes. I wouldn't be starting him the first week he suits up necessarily. But if you go back to last year when he played for the Patriots, you got traded to the Patriots and came in and immediately was Brady's top target in that game.
Starting point is 00:41:02 I believe he had like eight targets or something. And so in a touchdown. So I'm not, I'm not going to say that he's not going to be a fantasy factor because, you know, I think there's a chance he is going to be a fantasy factor. What it does, what I'm certain is, what I'm certain about is that I think it's going to make everybody else on this team less of a fantasy factor. Like, it's not going to be good for Godwin. It's not going to be good for Edwins, Evans for sure. Scottie Miller probably going to take a backseat in the fantasy world. And then, you know, there's just one more amount to feed in that offense.
Starting point is 00:41:32 And it's just going to be a fantasy, you know, does that. at some point. So I don't know. It's not great for fantasy, in my opinion, but... Not great for a lot of reasons. Right. We have to figure out, you know, the rotation and all that. Well, so for season-long ads here, we'll get into the rest of these wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Is Antonio Brown number one for season-long stash ads? Yeah. I mean, look, he undoubtedly has the most upside. If you're talking about fantasy points, like he has... I mean, for the eight seasons he was playing, he basically had the most receiving yards in any eight-season stretch. history of the National Football League. There is no reasonable case that he's not the most upside person.
Starting point is 00:42:09 Like he literally is a, you could argue, like a Mount Rushmore wide receiver who's not that old. I'm not going to lie. Like, I kind of don't want him on my team because of the stuff he's done. That's a completely arbitrary thing that I can't really defend compared to like other players. He just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. That's like personal preference. I'm not putting that at anyone else. But there's not really a question that if he's available, he has higher upside than every.
Starting point is 00:42:32 I mean, you could cut everyone on every team, and he'd still be up there in terms of, I mean, we'll see how he adapts, but the work ethic he has with practicing is not in doubt. So, right. He's probably going to have a good game eventually. Brown is one of those ones that it's, he's probably not going to be available in a lot of leagues.
Starting point is 00:42:49 People are already kind of tracking his situation and added him after rumors started two weeks ago. But realistically, you could trade for him. If you believe, though, you could trade for him. Because I think that a lot of people picked him up would probably be very happy to trade him away at like some kind of... Right. He's not eligible to play until week nine.
Starting point is 00:43:06 He's going to start practicing this week. If you have him on your team or whatever and you need to start winning right now and he's knocking... And look, it's not like he's going to start helping in week nine, probably not week 10, but he could, you know, from there on November and December, maybe he could be good. So, but... In the meantime, there's a couple other streamers, I think, that are really interesting
Starting point is 00:43:23 this week, actually. Brandon Ayyuk, who is rostering in 49% of leagues on Yahoo right now, is by far, we're not, maybe not by far, but like pretty solidly the number one guy in my mind. Like, especially with Debo Samuel getting hurt. Sounds like Debo is going to be out maybe a couple of weeks with this injury. It's a hamstring injury. It didn't look good when he did it. He like pulled up immediately, started grabbing his leg.
Starting point is 00:43:44 It looked like a somewhat significant injury that could keep him out. Ayyuk is going to be kind of like a go-to guy in that offense. They already do so much scheming up to get these guys the ball in space. I think that's just going to increase for Ayuk. So that's, he's definitely an ad in my book. The other guy to keep in mind is Sterling Shepard of the Giants who came back from a, I believe it was a Lissfink or a turf toe injury from earlier in the season. He'd missed like four or five games. And he came back, six catches, 59 yards, and a touchdown for the Giants against the Eagles on Thursday night football.
Starting point is 00:44:15 It looked pretty good. It looked like one of Daniel Jones's favorite targets. And if the Giants offense starts to get a little bit better as the season goes on, their schedule definitely lightens up as the season goes on. He could be a pretty sneaky, like a wide receiver three type guy that you plug into your lineup. He's not going to have a huge ceiling, but he'll have a floor. Yeah, he's kind of like the juju of the Giants. Yeah. First of all, if you had said to me two months ago that you would be saying in mid like late October that Sterling Shepherds, the juju of the Giants, I would have been thrilled.
Starting point is 00:44:47 I just want to point that out. Life comes at you fast, Dan. To your point, though, I think that what you said about the schedule is really important for the entire Giants team is we knew coming into the season the Giants would have a bad. first half, especially a bad first quarter. Because they started Steelers, Bears, Niners, Rams. Really bad. And then they're playing the bucks. And then after that's like Washington Eagles, Bengals, Seahawks, like a lot of defenses, you're trying to line up.
Starting point is 00:45:09 So I agree. Sterling could be a really good one. It's just every week he's on the field and he's healthy. It seems to be pretty good. But keeping rolling here. The other one, staying in New York, Denzel Mims was activated for the Jets. My fucking boy. So on one team, on one hand, he led the team with four catches for 40, yards. On the other hand, he led the team with four catches in 42 yards.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Should you pick up Denzel Mims? If that is what qualifies for leading the team? If you want to take 2020 as an example, every receiver that got drafted in 2020's been great. So maybe you grab Mims because he looked good. He's big, fast. He looked good. His four catches
Starting point is 00:45:46 like he looked like the most competent impressive wide receiver on the freaking Jets. Perman's got a concussion. Donald's back. I don't know. There's something really bad with that, He was the best player at the Senior Bowl. Mims was. I like Mims.
Starting point is 00:46:00 The senior team could beat the Jets. You're laughing because you're thinking about it. I'm like hesitated for a second. No, they couldn't. I don't think. Nobody, I made you think about it, which is all I wanted to do. You actually had to think. I don't think you should add Denzel Mims.
Starting point is 00:46:17 Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just, this is residual bias of my hatred of rookie receivers. I'm with you, Craig. I'm with you, Craig. I'm with you, Craig. Definitely add Mims. I would way rather have the upside of a guy. like Mims, who was absolutely freaking dominant at the Senior Bowl, lit up the combine.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Look at all the freaking wide receivers, the rookie wide receivers that were doing that are doing so well this year. Literally all of them. Look, it is possible that I have stacking subconscious biases against rookies and Jets and Adam Gase all working toward me. I mean, it's certainly an ugly cocktail of, you know.
Starting point is 00:46:48 It's like chilly. It's like it tastes good, but don't look at it for too long. It's the sausage. Who else? Craig, you must have other guys for us, beloveds. The other guys that just played well that you could add, Cole Beasley is just once again, just flying under the radar, doing it again.
Starting point is 00:47:02 The most underappreciated fantasy player. Can we sample his music or will he sue us? No, I don't know. He's called, he's only 40% rostered in Yahoo. He had a huge game this week. Listen, he's never had below 7.8 points in a game this year. I know that's not crazy, but it's not bad. Like, O'Dell Beckham has, like,
Starting point is 00:47:19 dude, he had double digits in four of his last five games. Is this because John Brown's out? Like, is he going to do anything when John Brown returned? turns. Well, he has, John Brown hasn't missed the whole, I think John Browns only missed one or two games and Beasley's been like really consistent. Plus, it's not like they're playing the same role. Like, Beasley is, is the guy
Starting point is 00:47:36 over the middle of the field, third downs, you know, the... He's a startable flex. Very cliche, shifty slot, white, white, white, the very shifty slot white receiver. Jesus Christ, I can't say that. It was like that. Very shifty white slot receiver. How about that? Right. Let's move on.
Starting point is 00:47:54 Richard Higgins for the Browns, because of Dells hurt. He had six catches on six targets, 110 yards. He's had a touchdown in weeks five and six question for you guys. Did he have a good game because Baker shredded the Bengals and just that won't happen again? Or is like, is this repeatable? Or is this a one flare-up from Baker and then he will go back to sucking and Higgins will go to irrelevancy? I actually think Higgins is pretty good, but I don't know what I think about the Browns' offense. Would you pick up Higgins? I mean, I'm not quite ready to be really confident in the Brown's offense and Baker in general.
Starting point is 00:48:24 As we just talked about Denzel Mims on the Jets. But I said, but... I'd rather have Higgins than Mims. I'd rather have Higgins than Mims. No, the Brown schedule,
Starting point is 00:48:33 I'm going to pull it up here. The Brown schedule is pretty easy throughout the next couple weeks. And the fact that, by the way, this is a tangent, but the Browns are, like,
Starting point is 00:48:42 for sure going to make the playoffs. They have the easy, they're five and two right now. They have the Raiders, Texans, Eagles, Jags, and then that's their next four games. And then they also, then from there, they have the Titans who have bad.
Starting point is 00:48:56 So for fantasy pertains, the Titans have a bad defense. Check out the ringer NFL show. Warren Sharp has been beating the Brown's playoffs drums since, I mean, I don't know, June. Honestly, though, looking at this, like Vegas, I could see them losing. Houston, I could see them losing. Philly, you never know. Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. You lack faith.
Starting point is 00:49:15 You lack faith. D.G. Dude, it was like. No, no, we're not doing this. He's a Steelers fan. We're not doing this, D.K. He's not asking the Steelers. fan if the Browns are going to go off.
Starting point is 00:49:25 Baker started 0 for 5 in that game, I think, and then completed like 22 straight. Playing the Bengals. This is one of those games where like, I'm not going to play this game. Like, I'm not going to entertain what Craig thinks about the Cleveland Browns being good. I just won't. That's fine. I'm just saying Baker's not good. Speaking of
Starting point is 00:49:41 speaking of the Vegas, Nelson Aguilar is the thing, you guys, in fantasy football. He's the, he's the Raiders number one receiver. Like, they're de facto number one. He has had a touchdown in three straight. weeks, three straight games, I should say. He had one at week four, week five, and week seven. He had five catches, 107 yards in the touchdown last week. The way that they're using
Starting point is 00:50:02 Henry Ruggs is more like kind of actually what we thought in terms of the deep threat thing. They're not using him a ton on like high volume. The Will Fuller, Deshawn Jackson. He's really fast and you'll get other people open thing. It's different. It's different, honestly, than how Alabama used him. So that's a bit of a surprise. But where he scores touchdown on a quarter of his catches? that was a good plan. Aguilar leads the league and catches that fantasy owner's wish was made by another player on that team.
Starting point is 00:50:29 Every time Aguilar catches the past, I'm like, hell yeah, rugs, and then it was Aguor. Speaking of which, the week after we made fun of Mikul Hardman and Byron Pringle, they both freaking scored touchdowns for the Chiefs. Okay, so...
Starting point is 00:50:42 Did Hardman score touchdown? But this is like a who's who of like who and meh and like really like, are you actually going to plug any of these guys in your lineup? Agilor, Rishard Higgins, Denzel, is there upside here? I'm going to plug in Ayuk and Shepard.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Ayuk is number one in this. I mean, let's rank these. The only other person I want to shed out is, I mean, we mentioned Ayuk earlier. Randall Cobb on Houston had eight catches for 95 yards. I think the thing about Cobb is if Will Fuller, Brandon Cooks get hurt. And not that we're wishing for that,
Starting point is 00:51:10 but neither have stayed healthy. I think Ronald Cobb would rock it up and he has standalone value right now. Yeah. And then there's Marcus Callaway for the Saints, who's been decent so far. But of everyone we've mentioned, D.K.,
Starting point is 00:51:20 how would you rank these receivers? I would do Ayyuk, Shepard, Mims, Beasley, Agilor. No, I'm doing one, two, three, four, five, six. You know, counting. You never heard of it.
Starting point is 00:51:35 It was never... Ayuk one, Shepard two, Mimbs three, Beasley, four, Aguilor five, and then Higgins six. And then from there, you can do the Randall Cobb or, like I said, Marcus Callaway, who probably is going to lose a lot of his playing time
Starting point is 00:51:51 once Michael Thomas and Manuel Sanders come back, but for the time being, was a pretty big factor in this last game for the Saints. But yeah, I mean, I think, honestly, I think I can Shepard are streamable. Mims is a great stash to see if it all pans out. And he turns into, like, the next T. Higgins or whatever and, like, starts to explode in a few games here.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Because I think Chris Herndon, he, did he retire? Pretty much. I mean, effectively. He retired you. I figured out why I hate Denzel Mims. It's because that rapper Mims who made that song, this is why I'm hot, made me very frustrated
Starting point is 00:52:21 of the logic because it was circular. It was like, this is why I'm hot because I'm fly. And I remember really hating that song. You cannot say his name
Starting point is 00:52:27 and not think of that song. Deka, can you name that song? You must remember that. I know the song. I don't know the name of it. This is what I'm saying. People don't know the names of,
Starting point is 00:52:36 I don't know the names of songs. The point is that I hated that song. I know the chorus. Mims has the best name of the wide receiver rookie class. So that's something. I don't like he tattooed his lyrics inside my skull.
Starting point is 00:52:47 Anyway, okay, so Iyuk, Shepard, Mims, Beasley, Aguilar Higgins. Tight ends. I mean, this is even crazier than the receivers. I mean, Richard Rogers for the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Dick Rod. Yeah. He had six catches for... Is that what people call him? I saw that on Twitter. It's pretty good. Dick Rod. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:53:09 Speaking of, oh, my God. Richard Rogers had a higher... He had 85 yards this season, which is more than any game Zach Ertz has had all year. Richard Rogers, who was almost out of football last year. So, you know, that happened. Adam Levitton from Established the Run
Starting point is 00:53:22 every time he brings up Richard Rogers he talks about how he played he was playing pickup basketball with this guy like at a gym last year
Starting point is 00:53:31 and now he's running he's like the tight end one for the Eagles Leviton played pickup with Richard Rogers Yes I mean that that just tells you
Starting point is 00:53:39 how injured the Eagles are right now and like how desperate they're getting it's just I mean Richard Rogers was like a number two tight end for like a number of different teams
Starting point is 00:53:47 he was on the packers he caught Aaron Rogers as hell marry. Yeah. But I mean, he was never a big fantasy prospect. Now he is.
Starting point is 00:53:55 And then quarterbacks, there's actually good streams this week. Deke, do you want on through the streams? It's a really good streams this week. Yeah. So,
Starting point is 00:54:01 keeping in mind that Arizona, Washington, Jacksonville and Houston, aka Kyler Deshawn and Minchew are on buys this week. I think a lot of people are going to have to stream at the quarterback position.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Jimmy Garapolo against the Seahawks. The reason I'm saying Garapolo is not because I think Garapolo is a great player, but because I think the Sehawks defense is atrocious. Teddy Bridgewold.
Starting point is 00:54:19 against the Falcons this week. Another situation where you're going to play the, I mean, he's played actually pretty well. I like Bridgewater. But he's going up against a bad Falcons defense. Kirk Cousins of the Vikings going up against Green Bay. Do you guys think that has a game, that game has a chance to be in like a shootout type thing
Starting point is 00:54:36 where he's got a lot of garbage time points? Yeah, I could see them being down 17 and the 4th and Kirk throws two extra touchdowns. Yes, that's what I'm banking on. Derek Carr going up against Cleveland. All these guys are rostered and 44% are less. So you should be able to get one of those, one of those players and plug them into your lineup.
Starting point is 00:54:54 I think I would rank it. Bridgewater Cousins Jimmy G. Carr, but you could talk about that. What do you guys think? I agree with you. And then also defenses, I can't remember ever mentioning this before, but like looking at the streaming options for defense this week,
Starting point is 00:55:08 I almost think that the odds that the defense you have on your team is probably better than the ones on waivers, like the matchup. The traditional idea of like just trying to find a defense that's playing a crappy team, all the crappy teams are taken. there's just a disproportionate amount of the available defenses are playing against teams you don't want to be going against. And so I'm issuing a hold.
Starting point is 00:55:28 Hold under your defense for one week. Just play who you got. It doesn't matter. They're going to get you six points. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Oh, and then drops. Drop Michael Gallup.
Starting point is 00:55:38 Can you drop Sammy Watkins? No, I hold Sammy. I will always tell you to drop Sammy Watkins. What I doubt. Even if you ask me, what is the most decoy chiefs receiver? I'll just say drop Sammy Watkins. And then the crate most controversial one, which is officially like,
Starting point is 00:55:53 I'm not recommending it, but I won't judge you for it, is T.Y. Hilton. They're on a buy. So, like, I'm not going to tell you to do it
Starting point is 00:55:59 because if they come out of the buy and T.Y. Hilton looks great. You'll feel dumb. You can't do it yet. But if he comes out of the buy and looks horrible, you could probably drop T.
Starting point is 00:56:06 T.Y. Is this, am I saying anything crazy, D.K.? It feels nuts to say. No. I mean, he's been awful. What would he have to do
Starting point is 00:56:13 to get back in your line? I mean, he's one of those guys that, I don't know if he's startable, so why not? Go for it. It's just the name. You just can't, it's hard to drop somebody like that has been so good for so long. If you want to wait till after the buy, I totally understand.
Starting point is 00:56:27 But I'm also not judging anyone who drops him. Yeah. Off topic. One last final note. Per Field Yates, Christian McCaffrey has returned to practice for the Panthers today. So keep that in mind. I mean, obviously he's probably not on the way of wire. Unless someone dumb just thought he was out for the year.
Starting point is 00:56:44 Christian McCaffrey's a little. Yeah. Our number one out of the week is Christian McCaffrey. No. But anyways. It's something to monitor going forward. I don't think he's going to play probably this week, but next week. I also have a very important announcement.
Starting point is 00:56:59 We ran a poll on Friday where we said, what is more embarrassing? Me having never seen wedding crashes. What was it? DK can't name a Drake song. DK's never seen The Incredibles. And that Craig gets his NFL stats from TikTok. And very important. The poll is finished.
Starting point is 00:57:14 The people have spoken. The people have spoken. And Craig has the most embarrassing thing. People have shamed you. Let me sprinkle in a little context to this. We couldn't find an embarrassing thing for me that I've said on the pod yet. And I got that one stat about what's this Nathan Peterson, Peterman from TikTok. And now I guess I get all my NFL stats from TikTok and that's how that.
Starting point is 00:57:37 Well, I'm sorry. You're so riddled with toxic masculinity. You can't be vulnerable on the podcast, Craig. Oh, I could be vulnerable. Don't you worry. Reveal one embarrassing. thing. Deakin are comfortable in our own skin. We don't mind admitting things. What's the most embarrassing movie that you haven't seen? Oh, I've never seen Citizen Kane. I haven't either.
Starting point is 00:57:54 Oh, that's like a knit. No. Well, you know what? Actually, the thing we've never talked about is that you were in the nationwide commercial with John Gruden. Yeah. Is that embarrassing? Or is that fucking... You want to elaborate on that? No. Sure. I don't care. It's not embarrassing. We're at like minutes 63 of the pod. No one's here. After college, I moved to New York. My friend wanted to be an actor and I lived with them and he auditioned for this commercial and told me to do it with him. And then I ended up getting it. And I was in some crappy crude and grinder commercial that would air after and before Monday Night Football in like 2016 or 17. What is it that you said?
Starting point is 00:58:30 What was your line? Well, I had several lines, Danny. And you had to speak in the nationwide jingle. You know, you like, do it right now. I don't remember the line. it was like something like my team is better than yours yeah something stupid like that it's not a good it's really poorly made commercial but all right we will tweet this out at Danny
Starting point is 00:58:52 Craig is just ruining his chances forever being a nationwide commercial ever again you know what I'm good with that just freaking burning bridges right now it's totally fine yeah check it we're going to be tweeting that out daddy is Danny at Danny B Kelly I am at Danny underscore hyfitz we will be we will be tweeting that out all right thank you DK
Starting point is 00:59:11 thank you Craig Thank you to everyone for listening. Thank you to Nationwide for casting Craig. And thank you to whatever random YouTube account has uploaded that commercial in advance. Thank you. We will see you guys on Wednesday.

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